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In the age of aspirational influencers, million-dollar podcast hosts, and so, so many newsletters, it's sometimes hard to imagine the very idea of making a career out of writing on the internet was once considered controversial. John Gruber has been writing at Daring Fireball for nearly a quarter of a century and managed to turn his unique and incisive takes on technology, the internet, and Apple Computer into not just a career but a framework for countless writers, podcasters, producers — an entire economy.
He joins Jim to talk about those early days and what they might have in common with a post-platform internet, the slow boil of Markdown, and, of course, Apple.
Links & Resources
- Daring Fireball
- John on Bluesky at gruber.foo
- Independent Days
- Dive Into Markdown
- Aaron Swartz's atx
- Dean Allen's Textile (archived)
- Github Flavored Markdown
- "The only problem with Microsoft is they just have no taste"
- The Standard Site community lexicon project for long form writing on atproto
- At.pm, a toolkit for building atproto apps in Perl
The archive for this episode, including a generated transcript, is available at https://atproto.com/off-protocol/2026-09-11-make-your-own-thing-john-gruber.
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