Pierre Bacall RETURNS + TALKS Zach Nichols Podcast & ’99 to Beat’ | JTWJE EP 448

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I cannot have my 15th anniversary season without him. I
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want to welcome back one of my favorite colleagues when
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it comes to the podcasting and reality TV world. He
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is the founder of Goat Media, the co-host of the
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Zach Nichols podcast, and soon, pretty soon, You'll be seeing
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him compete on 99 to Beat on Fox. Please help
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me welcome back my fabulous friend, Pierre Bacall.
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Thank you, Jake. It's good to be back. I'm a
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Jake's Take veteran now. Congratulations to you. 15 years of
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the program. Your baby, your child almost has its driver's license.
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We have it.
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It has its permit. So it'll be driving soon.
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And then before you know it, it'll be eligible to
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vote and drink an alcohol.
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But right now we're going to cherish the 15 years. Congratulations, brother.
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I'm happy to be part of it.
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Thank you so much. It's amazing what a blog here.
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It's amazing what a content creator can do in 15 years,
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starting from a blog and working your way up to
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the podcast. It took me a while to get up
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the courage. to do a podcast and now November 9th, 29th, November, 2019.
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It's like so weird that Tamron Hall and I and
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Kelly Clarkson all started around the same time, but look
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at Tamron and I are the last two standing.
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Apparently, apparently. I don't know about that. Kelly's music is
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going to live forever. No matter what she ever does.
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Oh, her talk show.
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Yeah.
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Oh, yeah. Well, that's I mean, you know, 15 years.
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I don't know how many people are going to beat that.
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That's that's incredible for the talk show.
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You're right.
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Kelly didn't last that long. But that is that is hysterical.
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I hope one day I can say that I've done something,
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anything when it comes to making content for 15 years.
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So huge accomplishment and super proud of you, brother.
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Thank you so much, Pierre. I really appreciate it. And guys,
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Pierre and I are, there are only a few talent,
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few content creators I go to that I gave up
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my phone number to, or give an Instagram message and
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Pierre's won them. So it means a lot. I really
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value our relationship and I'm so grateful for our friendship.
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Same, same brother.
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And honestly, like I, uh, I I'm, I'm honored that
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sometimes we'll have those conversations kind of not only just
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about what's going on online and in the world and
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with people's opinions, but sometimes about life and what's the
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right thing to do life-wise and kind of in terms
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of personal relationships, like all that is really fun to
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bounce ideas off you. And I value our relationship as well.
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So thanks for the number, bro. I appreciate it. I
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appreciate it.
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And thank you so much for, and you're so welcome.
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And also thank you so much for taking time of
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your schedule when I text you and call you.
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Oh, of course, man. That's easy. That's easy. I'm always
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there for my friends.
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Alrighty. So Pierre, it's been a year since you last visited.
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So how are you growing as a content creator and entrepreneur?
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Crazy. That's been a year, man. Time is flying right now.
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How have I grown? It's a great question.
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I mean, I, as you mentioned, I did have an
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opportunity to go on 99 to B, which is a
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competition show for those of you who don't know.
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And to me, that was like so huge.
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Not just, I mean, I never had a, I never
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had a passion to be on reality TV. I really
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enjoyed covering it because a lot of my friends do it,
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but I never really saw myself on there. But when
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this opportunity came about and I said, Hey, I have
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a chance to put myself in the shoes of my friends.
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And whenever anyone comes in on our podcast, the Zach
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Nichols podcast and talks about their experience, I always try
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to tell them like the vulnerability it takes to to
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put yourself on camera, to be watched. And a lot
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of times, so you and I, we make our podcast
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so we control our narrative, right? We can film anything.
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We can cut anything. We can show it in any
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light that we want. I'm pretty confident we're both pretty
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transparent with who we are, but we have the authority
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to do so.
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When you go on reality TV, the relinquishment... the.
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Release of your edit is the scariest thing, the most
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vulnerable thing. So putting myself in that position has definitely
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been the way that I've grown, I would say, since
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the last time I've been on.
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Absolutely. And here's the thing. Some of your guests and
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some of your friends have made their brand, like say,
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they don't give a hoot about what people think. I'm
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talking about someone that you like, And someone I don't,
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Jonathan Patasio.
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Okay.
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That's my nickname for Johnny Bananas.
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I know where you're going with that.
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For me, Johnny is somebody who is so unapologetic, and
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I just can resonate with that. I think only the
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people that know you know your heart, and people can
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judge your actions, and people can have their opinions on
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the way that you choose to live life and do things.
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But at the end of the day, like the only
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people that it's the mind and matter, right? It's the
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people that mind don't matter. And the people that matter
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don't mind to us. Nobody matters to Johnny. Only thing
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that matters is the people that matter to him. So
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that's the only people he's going to do actions for
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the people that actually matter to him. So I respect
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that tremendously. And that's why I am a fan. Why
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are you not?
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Um, he screwed over several of our mutual friends, Paulie J. Starex.
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In the game?
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Not in the game. Exactly. And at the same time.
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So not so in real life.
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Okay.
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Well, you're, you're listening.
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And when I, when I hear those things, I, I, uh,
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I always take each individual situation to me.
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He's been great.
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Um, and I know, uh, that's all I can really
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judge him for. So, um, no, no, I, I, I'm
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a fan. I am not going to, I'm not going
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to lie, but you're right. He has been mean and or, um,
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I don't know about mean, but he, maybe he's been
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judgmental of certain people that I like love and care for.
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I'll example, Maurice, right? I know him and the Reese
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have a little beef, at least at the time of
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this recording. And I really, really love the Reese. I
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really love the Reese. I would definitely say I'm closer
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with her than I am with Johnny. And I respect
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her disdain towards him, but at the same time, you know,
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he's been, he's been good to me. So I'm in
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the middle, but I also support anyone feeling however they
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feel about anybody, you know?
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Absolutely. Absolutely. So we got, before we get on to
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talk about Zach Nichols podcast, I want to give Zach
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and Jenna a shout out in a huge hearty Mazel Tov.
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Congratulations on the addition to your son. I'm so happy
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for them. They're going to be a baseball there. I
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got to say this. If the challenge goes to challenge
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next generation, I could see any of the Nichols Capono
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kids be a part of it.
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Totally. Absolutely. 100%.
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They're all like super tough, super fun kids. energetic kids.
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I was just over there yesterday meeting Vincent. That's going
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to be a fun house. And you realize when you're
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around them that like, when you want a family that big,
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it's because you love the chaos and the constant energy
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that comes with children and all this even stage of
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growing and having siblings. Now each sibling has a brother
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and a sister. So what they have is, is goals. And, um,
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you know, I wish that upon anyone that wants a
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big family. It's, it's, it's a tremendous sight to see
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so much fun to watch.
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Alrighty. Alrighty. So we got to talk about, and Zach, Jenna,
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you're more than well, I know you rarely guys do podcasts,
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but you guys are more than welcome to come on
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the Jake's take with Jacob podcast. You guys have an open. Oh, Pierre,
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you have my number. So they have an open line
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for you.
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Absolutely. They know how to get on if they, if they, uh, so, uh,
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find so fit to do so.
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All righty. So speaking of the Zach Nichols podcast, this
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year so far, you've had some headline-making interviews. So we
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got to start at the beginning of the year. So
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we got to talk about somebody that hasn't been part
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of the Challenge conversation in years, but is known in
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the Big Brother universe, Victor O'Doyle. And he talked about
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his Big Brother experience, being on Amazing Race, his Challenge journey,
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and his journey from reality TV to cop and now
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to farmer. So this was very interesting because Victor and
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Zach only had one season together. Yeah.
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No, it was very special to have him basically take
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time out of his life. You see all the amazing
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things he does.
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He's a father.
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He's a husband.
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He's a cop.
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He's a diver. He does all these cool things. He
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actually– there's some stuff that I do know about him
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that I learned on the personal side. He is a
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creative individual. He is more than meets the eye, which
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is even more impressive on top of all the other stuff. So, yeah,
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I mean, I think– even though he only did one
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season of the challenge, he's somebody that under different circumstances,
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I think could have done more and could have done well.
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You got to understand this guy was a family man
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and he went on this show, which is, you know,
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it's hard to go on this show as a family man.
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I'll be honest with you. So this is before he
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had kids. This is before.
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He, you know, was, he might've been, he was, he
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knew he was serious about his girlfriend, now wife at
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the time. So putting himself in that, um, that situation,
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which the challenge is very, not that married people or
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people in relationships can't go on. It just is a
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lot harder to focus on your relationship when you're on
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a show like that. So, um, yeah, he was a
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great interview and like, I really enjoyed watching him on, uh,
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the vendettas when we covered it, but it makes me
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want to go back and watch his season because there
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are so many iconic big brother players and challenge players
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from that season. When you talk about Pauly, when you
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talk about Natalie, when you talk about Victor, I'm actually
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going to watch that season. Eventually it's, it's something I'm
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going to, it's on my list, which is very daunting
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for you. Big brother knowers, like it's the episodes and episodes,
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but I will watch it eventually loved meeting Victor and
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consider him a friend.
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Speaking of big brother, you brought on an icon, uh,
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And who's been known for causing chaos on Big Brother
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and also the traitors, the legendary Danielle Reyes. And that
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happened in, I'm sorry, February as well. And that was
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around the time that Alan called her out.
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Tell me about that. Remind me what happened.
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I believe that Alan was not happy with Danielle's performance
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the same as Donna Kelsey's performance.
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Yes, yes. Alan Cummings. Got it. I thought you were
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talking about Big Brother Alan. Yeah, no, I.
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I thought that was probably unfair of Allen. You know,
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I thought Danielle.
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Did her best.
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And hey, at the same time, like when she came
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on the podcast and she kind of broke down why
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she was maybe a little eccentric, you know, and whatever
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had gotten her found out by the group.
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I mean, listen, she still lasted multiple weeks as a trader. Okay.
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To compare her to Donna Kelsey is insane. ridiculous. Donna
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barely lasted an episode.
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And honestly, if they didn't know she was a trader,
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she would have been gone episode one, but they knew it.
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And they're like, Hey, we're going to take another shot here.
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We know we're going to get a trader down the road. So, um,
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I think Danielle is a marvelous person. I'm really thankful
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that she made it out to Detroit. And that's a big,
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she's from San Francisco Bay area, if I remember.
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So very big commitment to come out here for a
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few days, just to film a podcast. So nothing but
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love for her. I think she's super talented. I want
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to see her on more stuff. I think she's a,
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I think she's a great competitor.
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Same with me. Danielle is an icon. I think she
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could be talked about the same way that a Dr. Will,
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a Jesse Goddard, a Dan Giesling, and a Vanessa in
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that same way. And we got an icon of a legend.
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And Rachel Riley. I can't forget Rachel Riley. You cannot
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forget Rachel Riley. And even Nicole. Nicole Francel Arroyo. The
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thing is, it's like, she's one of the greatest to play.
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It feels like the big brother. People get targeted early,
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often on traders. Then they can.
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Yeah, they can. They can. I mean, it's all, it's
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all how you play it. You know, it's all how
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you play it.
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I think like being a trader is so hard because
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you have to have a healthy amount of skepticism playing
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as if you're a faithful while also staying out of
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the spotlight.
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It's like a weird dichotomy to do.
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And I think, one thing I've learned and I I'm
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very new to the big brother fandom. So I I'm
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not a super fan, but one season that somebody had
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recently mentioned to me was Casey versus Tyler Crispin. Right.
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And the way they explained her season was she was
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essentially invisible for the first half of the game. And
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then little by little, she becomes more important, more important,
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more important as a trader. I feel like it's kind
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of that type of, That type of method or basically
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the way to success, the Rob Roush style of, hey,
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you got to slow burn it.
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You have to slow burn it.
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When you burn hot right away, and listen, for the record,
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I don't think it was 100% her fault. I think
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Boston Rob kind of forced her to be that, you know, that.
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And same with Carolyn as well, because Carolyn was a
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loose cannon in that group.
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Yeah. And one thing about Danielle that I think is
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understated is, She voted like a faithful would have voted.
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And people, that's a big, like, compliment to her game.
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And I think it was unfair for Allen to say that,
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that she didn't play as well as he thought she
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should have because she actually voted as a faithful would
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vote in situations where other people didn't. So, like, I
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really thought her gameplay was underrated. Obviously, she wasn't one
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of the most dominant traders of all time.
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She didn't win. She didn't make it to the, you know,
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the fire. Yes. Yeah, but, but I thought she played,
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I thought she played well. I really did.
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I mean, maybe a little obvious, um, maybe over the top,
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but after hearing her methodology, uh, I thought, I thought
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she played better than I had.
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Even I had initially thought.
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I agree. I really wish that there's an all-stars for
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traders for celebrity. Danielle should be one of the people
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they call first, because I think they need a redemption story.
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And besides having her compete against the Surrey and then
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maybe the added a little chaos with the rapid port
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and Rinna that will be, uh, and also Dan Giesling.
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That would be a what should I watch?
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Yeah, I'm like so torn about Traders because part of
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me wants to see it.
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Played with all gamers.
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Like part of me wants to see a Traders game
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where it's all Survivor, all Challenge, all Big Brother, like
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where it's pure.
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Conniving, right? It's pure conniving.
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But it is special that traders will bring somewhat clueless
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people to a game show where there's gamers.
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So, like, that is a really, really fun thing to do.
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And, you know, sometimes you get the people that everyone
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thinks is clueless, like Rob, but the whole time he's masterminding.
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So it's really, really fun.
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Speaking of which, we got to talk about our mutual
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friend and dear friend, Pauly Califuri, because I really want
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to see him on Trader so badly. But at the
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same time, he has a match, both of us know,
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He has a spotlight that cannot be, that will be
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targeted immediately.
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I need to see Pauly Califiori on more television. Specifically,
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the traders would be incredible.
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He would be box office.
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And if he becomes a trader, he'll be the very
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first family, too. The Califioris become the very first family
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to have traders.
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That's true. That's true.
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That would be accurate. I would love to see it.
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I think he has the gameplay aspect. For me, though,
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knowing Paulie and knowing he... Obviously, in a game like
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Big Brother, in a game like Traders, which are voting games, right?
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Even Survivor is a voting game. There's physical aspects. I
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love him on the challenge, personally. I love him on
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the challenge because he's an absolute dog mentality. Now, I
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haven't seen him compete in person, but from everything I've
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heard from people I respect, he has that. So, I
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love the physicality side of him. Now, with that being said,
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if he can't do the challenge, which for whatever reason...
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I do want to see him on traders. I want
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to see him on all house of villains.
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Definitely.
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Oh, yes.
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He he's box office for any TV.
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I mean, he was great on Vanderpump Villa.
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Um, so any, anytime you can see Paul on TV,
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like sign me up, but, um, particularly traders would be awesome.
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And his interview with his second go around on March
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13th went well, because you guys talked about, he did
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not go on vacation. I E cutthroat. And also the
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car Maria relationship that got, caught in the reality news
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and even made us weekly people.
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I apparently, you know, that was, uh, that was something
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that was like kind of difficult for us all to do.
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Polly included because, um, he really cares about Cara. I
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speak pretty confidently to say that he still very much
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cares about her, whether he's living his own life or
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whether he's single or whatever he's got going on. I
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know for a fact that he's always going to care
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about that girl and he loves her. So, uh, Um,
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that being said, he, he knew that, um, that he
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wanted to say a few things and he said, um, so, um,
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it's on us as friends and as, as, you know,
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I don't know, news reporters, however you want to call it.
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We're really just guys talking on a microphone to give
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him a microphone, you know, and everyone that that's kind
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of like what we pride ourselves on is some people
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are like, Oh, how can you platform this person? It's like,
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for us, we platform everybody because it's on us as
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individuals and as independent thinkers. to make our own opinions
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based on what we see and what we hear. So, um, yeah,
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I'm always going to give Mike, uh, I'm always going
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to give Pauly a microphone when he wants one. And,
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and I was happy for him to come on and
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I know how he feels about it, all the parties involved.
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So I know it was somewhat headline news, but to us,
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it was just being a friend, friends being there for
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another friend.
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I agree, Paul. And I got to say this, I
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applaud Pauly for going to challenge mania, the roast car
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Maria and being there twice. and with the it was
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a very rough crowd jay i was there in person
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because i went like i'm so it's just my first
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time seeing paul paulie and i face to face in
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seven years and i'm glad i gave him a huge
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massive hug at the end of that because he took
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a brutal beating and not to mention the fact that
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jamie almost wanted to get to get them outside.
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That's funny i i will say like if you're in
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this realm in this business, if you want to call it,
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you got to have thick skin. You got to be
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able to, this is the vulnerability we were talking about earlier, right?
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If you're vulnerable, if you're up for opinions, like we
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put ourselves out here and if people want to talk
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about us, our decisions, good, bad, our opinions, good or bad,
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like that's the price of doing business.
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That's the cost to be the boss. So like if
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Pauly wants to be.
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A superstar, which I know he is, he's going to
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have to face the music every once in a while and, um,
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no better way to do that than in person. Cause
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I bet a lot of these people, I mean, obviously
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he's getting roasted by everyone that, that knows him. Um,
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and you know, uh, people from abroad, but, um, to,
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to hear it in person, to have people say it
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to your face, like he's got, he's got some, uh,
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he's got some gumption. So big shout out to Paulie.
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He's not scared of anything. I'm not worried. I'm never
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worried about Paulie. He can handle himself at all.
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Moments. Neither am I. And I'm so grateful for that
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friendship as well, because he is, I think because the
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same time, the same time I, he is gold and
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I'm sad that we don't have him on cutthroat because
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he could have delivered some heat.
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I think he'd have been a good addition. I think
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he would have been a good addition, um, to this cast. Uh,
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you know, you, you wonder either way, right? I think
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if he's with Cara, if he's, if they're in a
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relationship going into the season or if he's single, you
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got drama, you know, you got drama, you got drama
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one way or the other. Um, we see car right now.
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She says it in the first two episodes. We'll see
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how this develops. I'm curious to see how her friendships develop.
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By the time you guys are watching this, it'll be September.
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So we'll be several episodes in and you'll see how
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she does on her team. But I am interested to
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see because she says in the first two episodes, Hey,
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all my friends are on other teams. So to have
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her be with one other person that I mean, Hey, listen,
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and maybe car doesn't even consider him a friend anymore.
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Who knows?
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But regardless, it would have been drama. It would have
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been exciting to see him on this season. I trust
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I I'm learning to, to trust decisions being made, but
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at the same time, you love Paul.
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You want to see him on.
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Absolutely. Absolutely. So speaking of cutthroats, before we talk about
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the show, we have a couple of, You have the opportunity,
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which I am very jealous by, and I think a
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lot of people that are Challenge fans and podcasters as well,
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reality TV, we're jealous by, because you and Zach got
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to build a TJ Levin's house. So that conversation in
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around Memorial Day weekend, I was just like, what the heck?
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I was communicating with you. I'm like, oh my God,
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that must have been insane. So what was it like
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to hear the news that TJ Levin was welcoming you
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guys to his house?
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Jacob.
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When I tell you like it was one of those,
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I mean, I don't want to say made it, but
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kind of like, kind of like, bro, I made it.
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Like I'm at TJ Levin's house with TJ and Zach,
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and we're filming a podcast about him and his career
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and the upcoming challenges. And in the past, like, I
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was like, I would have never believed you. If you
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told me that a year ago, two years ago, three years,
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I would, I would literally never believed you. I'd have
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been like, hold on. Not only are we interviewing the guy, but,
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But he is so humble, so cool, so down to
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earth that he's going to invite us into his home
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and just really like sit in his career. Like, you know,
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we were in his office and there's so many accolades
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and so many moments in materialistic things. Like you could
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just tell all the history that he's been a part
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of was part of him and his stories and He
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could not have been a more gracious host. He could
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not have been a more down-to-earth, humble guy. And just real, too.
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I think that's another thing. If you go back and
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watch that interview, for those of you who haven't, it's
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on our Patreon.
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He is so honest.
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I just didn't expect somebody that big, that monstrous in
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terms of fame, in terms of accomplishment, to be that vulnerable.
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like that real, that real about the way he felt
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about certain situations.
481
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Like, I just thought it.
482
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Might be more of a, you know, uh, politically correct
483
00:23:06.960 --> 00:23:09.200
type of cop it was he was just so real
484
00:23:09.549 --> 00:23:12.390
like i i cannot tell speak enough about how awesome
485
00:23:12.410 --> 00:23:14.829
that experience was and it was a big deal like
486
00:23:14.890 --> 00:23:17.089
like normally i'm the type to downplay something and be
487
00:23:17.150 --> 00:23:20.190
like yeah you know uh it was fun or it
488
00:23:20.230 --> 00:23:21.710
was this and like not act like it wasn't a
489
00:23:21.730 --> 00:23:25.470
big deal that actually was so i uh that one
490
00:23:25.839 --> 00:23:29.380
i might have i think i'm somebody might have Ask me, Hey,
491
00:23:29.400 --> 00:23:31.240
what is your dream interview? Like we had it, like,
492
00:23:31.259 --> 00:23:33.759
that's it. Like you don't reach higher than that. You know,
493
00:23:33.799 --> 00:23:35.640
when it comes to the challenge, like that's it, like we,
494
00:23:35.759 --> 00:23:38.720
we hit the peak and everything else is going to
495
00:23:38.740 --> 00:23:40.150
be second to that. I don't care who it is.
496
00:23:40.329 --> 00:23:42.319
Anyone could take that however way they want to take it.
497
00:23:42.750 --> 00:23:45.029
But when it comes to the challenge, there's nobody higher
498
00:23:45.049 --> 00:23:46.950
than TJ. So, um, it was the mountain top.
499
00:23:47.690 --> 00:23:50.049
Absolutely. And the thing is you also, and I gotta
500
00:23:50.069 --> 00:23:51.609
say this, I would be an honor. It'd be an
501
00:23:51.670 --> 00:23:54.509
honor to welcome TJ to this platform. In the future,
502
00:23:54.549 --> 00:23:55.869
I know this will happen. I'm going to put this
503
00:23:55.930 --> 00:23:57.470
out in the universe one of these days.
504
00:23:57.710 --> 00:24:00.029
Manifest it. Manifest it.
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00:24:00.069 --> 00:24:01.890
TJ and I will have a conversation. But one of
506
00:24:01.910 --> 00:24:05.509
the things I want to talk about was the way Cutthroat's... Sorry, everyone.
507
00:24:05.549 --> 00:24:08.589
If you didn't watch Challenge, sorry, spoilers. The way TJ
508
00:24:08.630 --> 00:24:15.349
handled Cedric's elimination. I have never... In all my years...
509
00:24:15.190 --> 00:24:18.009
And I admit that I've watched the Challenge since Pauly
510
00:24:18.069 --> 00:24:21.730
got off. Pauly and Davon and Victor and Natalie. So Vendettas.
511
00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:26.640
So I have never seen someone go against what the
512
00:24:26.700 --> 00:24:30.980
house says. I've never seen and tell T and how Cedric,
513
00:24:31.019 --> 00:24:33.799
tell him that Cedric, that is the future of the
514
00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:37.339
show and keep on being you. That spoke volumes.
515
00:24:39.160 --> 00:24:40.099
It did. It did.
516
00:24:40.160 --> 00:24:43.099
And I, I'm a fan of Cedric. I think he's a,
517
00:24:43.220 --> 00:24:46.289
he's a great guy. I think a lot of people actually,
518
00:24:46.329 --> 00:24:48.369
it's funny. Like I heard, I've heard both two opinions
519
00:24:48.430 --> 00:24:51.920
on this particular situation. I've heard, man, it's so endearing
520
00:24:52.180 --> 00:24:55.390
that TJ really gave Cedric his flowers and his respect.
521
00:24:56.269 --> 00:24:58.990
I've also heard people say, hey, that's not the TJ
522
00:24:59.029 --> 00:25:01.089
we know. It might be a little soft. The way
523
00:25:01.109 --> 00:25:05.950
that I feel about it is TJ appreciated the heart
524
00:25:06.289 --> 00:25:08.430
and the care and the soul that Cedric brought to
525
00:25:08.450 --> 00:25:08.779
the game.
526
00:25:09.509 --> 00:25:12.990
That alone was enough for him to really value.
527
00:25:13.029 --> 00:25:15.869
On top of him being super nice and Cedric being
528
00:25:15.930 --> 00:25:19.329
a true, true gentleman, a purely intentioned person. People thought
529
00:25:19.349 --> 00:25:21.690
he was snaky, but he is a pure intentioned person, right?
530
00:25:22.109 --> 00:25:26.640
So the fact that TJ gave him his respect, and honestly,
531
00:25:27.140 --> 00:25:28.880
he didn't even say, maybe we'll see you in the future.
532
00:25:28.920 --> 00:25:31.259
He said it pretty definitively. We're going to see you
533
00:25:31.279 --> 00:25:34.220
in the future. Don't worry, you're coming back. That was
534
00:25:34.259 --> 00:25:37.539
huge and a huge compliment to Cedric. But then he
535
00:25:37.579 --> 00:25:40.559
turns around and says, to Johnny, like you kick that
536
00:25:40.579 --> 00:25:43.299
kid's ass, you know? So it was a good, that's
537
00:25:43.319 --> 00:25:45.769
why I didn't really understand the whole, like, Oh, people
538
00:25:45.809 --> 00:25:47.710
are saying all that TJ was soft for saying that
539
00:25:47.990 --> 00:25:50.869
to Cedric because he right or literally turned around and
540
00:25:50.910 --> 00:25:54.039
been like, yeah, you, you whipped, you whipped him. And, um,
541
00:25:54.700 --> 00:25:56.599
you know, I think like maybe the way that people
542
00:25:57.000 --> 00:25:59.240
were kind of thinking of it was like, Hey, like,
543
00:25:59.859 --> 00:26:02.559
is that really like, does any competitor want to actually
544
00:26:02.599 --> 00:26:03.579
hear that as a compliment?
545
00:26:03.619 --> 00:26:05.039
Like, Hey, you're one of the nicest guys.
546
00:26:05.079 --> 00:26:07.859
Like I would, because to me, that is a compliment,
547
00:26:07.880 --> 00:26:11.589
but it's also kind of saying like, Hey, I don't like,
548
00:26:11.730 --> 00:26:12.490
are you ferocious?
549
00:26:12.529 --> 00:26:13.710
Like, do you know what I'm saying by that?
550
00:26:13.769 --> 00:26:15.769
Like, it's kind of, it's kind of not a, not
551
00:26:15.789 --> 00:26:20.109
a backhanded compliment, but something in that realm, it's like respect,
552
00:26:20.190 --> 00:26:22.329
but also like, am I not feared?
553
00:26:22.369 --> 00:26:23.230
Like, is that what you're saying?
554
00:26:23.269 --> 00:26:25.549
So like, he's never going to say that about somebody who,
555
00:26:26.170 --> 00:26:29.779
who is like, considered you know mean you know it's
556
00:26:29.819 --> 00:26:32.519
just and sometimes that adds for frosty maybe i'm not
557
00:26:32.539 --> 00:26:34.740
making sense but um i thought.
558
00:26:34.359 --> 00:26:35.480
Here's the thing to me i liked.
559
00:26:35.380 --> 00:26:38.970
It okay it was classy it was very very classy
560
00:26:39.269 --> 00:26:42.089
and yeah i'm looking at cedric's things right now by
561
00:26:42.130 --> 00:26:45.829
my mutual friends a lot of his castmates that were
562
00:26:45.849 --> 00:26:49.279
or were not there gave him flowers brad or he
563
00:26:49.319 --> 00:26:51.680
even said we will see you and if you are
564
00:26:51.700 --> 00:26:54.259
in the future and like harry cara and having that
565
00:26:54.279 --> 00:26:57.819
from cara and marisa force and raven And people and
566
00:26:57.900 --> 00:27:01.680
Paulie and Davon from even Davon and X said that.
567
00:27:01.740 --> 00:27:06.130
So they all really are behind Cedric. And like the
568
00:27:06.170 --> 00:27:08.829
thing is, it spoke volumes to me that that even
569
00:27:08.910 --> 00:27:12.589
Sidney threw him in actually like the Pope Cedric's farewell post.
570
00:27:13.390 --> 00:27:15.779
Yeah, I'll say this like Cedric.
571
00:27:15.819 --> 00:27:17.460
And by the time you guys listen to this, Cedric
572
00:27:17.480 --> 00:27:18.880
will have already came on our podcast.
573
00:27:18.900 --> 00:27:20.700
He's going to be here in a few weeks. So
574
00:27:20.720 --> 00:27:21.740
we're excited to talk to him.
575
00:27:22.180 --> 00:27:25.259
So, but I can think, I can say like, if
576
00:27:25.299 --> 00:27:29.119
we're being fair analyzers of this game, people can have
577
00:27:30.059 --> 00:27:31.940
an opinion that he's a great guy and you want
578
00:27:31.960 --> 00:27:35.049
him back. But also say like, hey, like, don't know
579
00:27:35.109 --> 00:27:38.079
necessarily if he's done enough or say, hey, I don't
580
00:27:38.119 --> 00:27:40.920
know necessarily if, you know, he's the best at A,
581
00:27:40.940 --> 00:27:43.819
B or C. You can have two different opinions. Personally,
582
00:27:43.839 --> 00:27:45.759
I definitely want to see Cedric back. I think he's
583
00:27:45.799 --> 00:27:49.180
great for the show. I respect all people's opinions. But
584
00:27:49.220 --> 00:27:52.079
to your point, when you're cast and everybody around you
585
00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:54.349
wants you back, that like says more to me than
586
00:27:54.400 --> 00:27:55.829
anybody else's opinion, you know?
587
00:27:56.950 --> 00:27:59.660
Absolutely. Absolutely. And I want to, and we got to
588
00:27:59.720 --> 00:28:02.460
talk about something that really came up during challenge during the,
589
00:28:02.579 --> 00:28:06.319
during this past summer, another mutual friend of ours, Davis
590
00:28:06.380 --> 00:28:09.180
Mallory made his first appearance on your show. And yes,
591
00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:11.279
Davis has gone back off and on and like, no
592
00:28:11.319 --> 00:28:14.359
matter what I support him and like the thing, despite
593
00:28:14.380 --> 00:28:17.140
we have different views, we are, we are on this
594
00:28:17.180 --> 00:28:20.829
planet once. So we can, and I've always said this
595
00:28:20.849 --> 00:28:23.250
to people and especially going on with this or my career,
596
00:28:23.730 --> 00:28:26.059
we need to not, be hateful to each other because
597
00:28:26.079 --> 00:28:29.220
we all think so differently, but not like as malicious
598
00:28:29.279 --> 00:28:32.099
as I've seen from people calling with a lot of
599
00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:35.799
anti-Semitic towards me. But the thing is, it was a
600
00:28:35.920 --> 00:28:39.119
very interesting conversation, but that led to a reconciliation between
601
00:28:39.180 --> 00:28:42.430
him and CT. Right. Right.
602
00:28:42.509 --> 00:28:43.569
No, it was silly.
603
00:28:43.589 --> 00:28:46.710
That's that's the powerful stuff. You know, like I have
604
00:28:46.769 --> 00:28:49.299
always said people always ask me what my favorite interviews
605
00:28:49.400 --> 00:28:52.940
are that I've done. And my my answers are always
606
00:28:53.400 --> 00:28:57.220
the ones where amends are made, the ones where real
607
00:28:57.279 --> 00:29:02.170
hurt is replaced with real forgiveness. And this was one
608
00:29:02.190 --> 00:29:05.089
of those moments. You know, I had a prior obligation
609
00:29:05.470 --> 00:29:07.950
that did not allow me to be in person for
610
00:29:07.990 --> 00:29:09.750
that interview, but watching it.
611
00:29:09.730 --> 00:29:13.970
Back and then. you know, kind of somewhat being in the.
612
00:29:13.910 --> 00:29:19.910
Middle of this Chris Tamburello, Davis Mallory reconciliation. Like it
613
00:29:20.279 --> 00:29:23.720
was a powerful thing that, Hey, people hold on to
614
00:29:23.940 --> 00:29:27.480
certain hurt for years, you know? And when you're able
615
00:29:27.519 --> 00:29:29.559
to solve that with a conversation or at least clear
616
00:29:29.599 --> 00:29:31.660
the air and at least say, Hey, I wish you
617
00:29:31.680 --> 00:29:32.140
the best.
618
00:29:32.880 --> 00:29:34.049
That's so powerful, man.
619
00:29:34.069 --> 00:29:36.049
And that's what, that's the power of what we do
620
00:29:36.690 --> 00:29:39.710
is you're able to provoke conversations that maybe get to
621
00:29:39.730 --> 00:29:43.039
the bottom of it. Or sometimes it makes us clarify
622
00:29:43.079 --> 00:29:44.579
the way we feel. You know, if I had an
623
00:29:44.619 --> 00:29:47.039
issue with you and then we have another conversation and
624
00:29:47.079 --> 00:29:49.079
I realize, hey, you really haven't changed.
625
00:29:49.099 --> 00:29:50.200
Like, this is actually how you feel.
626
00:29:50.880 --> 00:29:53.900
I can respectfully say, hey, like we've talked about it
627
00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:56.759
and we're just not going to agree. You spoke about
628
00:29:56.859 --> 00:29:59.160
kind of Davis and his revelations and kind of like
629
00:29:59.200 --> 00:30:05.089
his personal, spiritual... Some people could call it growth. Some
630
00:30:05.109 --> 00:30:09.099
people could call it, hey, maybe regression for them. Me personally,
631
00:30:09.460 --> 00:30:11.539
I look at us as a perfect example.
632
00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:13.559
You're Jewish. I'm Catholic.
633
00:30:14.359 --> 00:30:16.519
That's not going to change me being a good friend
634
00:30:16.539 --> 00:30:17.849
to you. It's not going to change you being a
635
00:30:17.869 --> 00:30:18.430
good friend to me.
636
00:30:19.029 --> 00:30:19.150
And.
637
00:30:19.900 --> 00:30:21.440
that's why I live in America.
638
00:30:21.480 --> 00:30:24.630
That's why I love living here is because we, we
639
00:30:24.910 --> 00:30:27.990
all have agreed by living here that I'm going to
640
00:30:28.029 --> 00:30:30.150
do what's best for me. You're going to do what's
641
00:30:30.190 --> 00:30:31.710
best for you. I'm going to love you. Even though
642
00:30:31.730 --> 00:30:33.490
I disagree with you, you're going to love me, even
643
00:30:33.509 --> 00:30:36.190
though you disagree with me and let's leave it up
644
00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:38.099
to the courts to figure out what the laws are.
645
00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:41.059
And we have to vote to secure. That's just, I
646
00:30:41.140 --> 00:30:43.279
love living in this country because we.
647
00:30:43.200 --> 00:30:43.680
Can do that.
648
00:30:43.779 --> 00:30:46.099
And the people that embrace that unity in terms of like,
649
00:30:46.119 --> 00:30:47.829
at the end of the day, we're all Americans and,
650
00:30:48.539 --> 00:30:51.180
Those are the people that I associate myself with. The
651
00:30:51.200 --> 00:30:53.940
people that want to divide and say, Oh, I'm, I'm not,
652
00:30:54.069 --> 00:30:57.329
I'm this before I'm American. That's where we have issues.
653
00:30:57.690 --> 00:30:59.910
You know, that's where I'm going to have issues because like, no, no, you're,
654
00:31:00.289 --> 00:31:03.869
you're a human first. I should say human first, then American,
655
00:31:03.950 --> 00:31:05.630
then whatever else you want to say.
656
00:31:05.650 --> 00:31:07.410
It serves of a divider.
657
00:31:07.690 --> 00:31:11.589
Like, so I, I really respect that in terms of
658
00:31:11.970 --> 00:31:16.900
not only, davis and nct vastly different people putting their
659
00:31:16.920 --> 00:31:20.200
size their differences aside to find common ground and just
660
00:31:20.259 --> 00:31:21.400
anyone i collaborate with.
661
00:31:21.279 --> 00:31:25.740
So absolutely absolutely so speaking collaboration this is the perfect
662
00:31:25.789 --> 00:31:29.650
segue because the zach nichols podcast exclusively partnered with jordan
663
00:31:29.670 --> 00:31:33.410
wisely's champion so how has this partnership allowed challenge fans
664
00:31:33.450 --> 00:31:36.210
compete against each other and meet your favorite cast members
665
00:31:36.490 --> 00:31:37.789
and by the way i want to give a shout
666
00:31:37.809 --> 00:31:41.500
out to jordan because Jordan has done wonders for what
667
00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:43.400
I think he's a very, one of the very first
668
00:31:43.460 --> 00:31:47.609
challengers that he's does like a champ camp, like where
669
00:31:47.630 --> 00:31:51.230
you're competing against each other. Like, yes, Emily Longoretta's or
670
00:31:51.269 --> 00:31:55.269
spiritual stuff is also a very admirable, but Jordan, this
671
00:31:55.349 --> 00:31:59.269
is where you are judged by the challenge alumni. This
672
00:31:59.309 --> 00:32:01.039
is where you go compete in front of that.
673
00:32:02.059 --> 00:32:06.140
Yeah, no, I, um, I am so proud of Jordan
674
00:32:06.180 --> 00:32:08.220
for starting champ camp. And it's something that's been, uh,
675
00:32:09.420 --> 00:32:12.730
super huge, like literally community building. You have people that
676
00:32:12.750 --> 00:32:16.809
are like, have real everyday talk everyday type of friendships
677
00:32:16.869 --> 00:32:19.309
based off the champ camp. So it's been super special, um,
678
00:32:19.470 --> 00:32:21.309
for us, you know, in terms of like Zach and
679
00:32:21.410 --> 00:32:24.150
I being involved in it, like we're going to support Jordan,
680
00:32:24.170 --> 00:32:26.549
no matter what he does. Jordan did our first live show.
681
00:32:27.009 --> 00:32:29.990
He has always been a friend on and off the mic,
682
00:32:30.289 --> 00:32:33.700
you know, to us and we love him now. That
683
00:32:33.720 --> 00:32:35.640
means I would support it no matter what the idea was,
684
00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:37.380
if it was good or bad or whatever. This just
685
00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:40.769
so happens to be an amazing idea where people come together.
686
00:32:41.460 --> 00:32:43.549
Everyone wants to be on the challenge, right? Well, here's
687
00:32:43.589 --> 00:32:47.069
a small taste of it, not only politically, but physically.
688
00:32:47.210 --> 00:32:50.349
And that, to me, something that was super exciting to
689
00:32:50.390 --> 00:32:52.470
me whenever it first started, I was like, hey, this
690
00:32:53.599 --> 00:32:59.769
is kind of dangerous. And that exhilaration... that exhilaration is
691
00:33:00.029 --> 00:33:01.890
the stuff that you only get on the challenge, right?
692
00:33:01.930 --> 00:33:03.150
You don't, you're not going to get that in your
693
00:33:03.170 --> 00:33:06.450
real life. Fear for hurting yourself, fear for it's me
694
00:33:06.490 --> 00:33:10.049
against another human to see who has the athletic ability,
695
00:33:10.069 --> 00:33:12.430
who has the puzzle ability, who has the endurance, but
696
00:33:12.470 --> 00:33:15.519
you don't test yourself like that in real life on
697
00:33:15.700 --> 00:33:18.920
any type of regular basis. So to give fans an
698
00:33:18.960 --> 00:33:23.440
opportunity to test themselves in front of, and sometimes very
699
00:33:23.500 --> 00:33:27.079
rare occasions against fans, normal, you know, uh, uh, no,
700
00:33:27.099 --> 00:33:29.039
I'm sorry, fans against challengers.
701
00:33:29.579 --> 00:33:31.440
Um, it's really, really exciting.
702
00:33:31.700 --> 00:33:34.460
And, um, I know it's on a little bit of
703
00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:36.140
a sabbatical right now, kind of figuring out when the
704
00:33:36.200 --> 00:33:38.740
next event is going to be. But whenever it does
705
00:33:38.809 --> 00:33:40.680
come up, like it's going to be monstrous. And I
706
00:33:40.700 --> 00:33:43.089
do want to give a shout out to Emily for
707
00:33:43.130 --> 00:33:45.769
what she does. I know a lot of the the
708
00:33:45.809 --> 00:33:50.190
champ camp and the retreat group, a lot of it overlaps.
709
00:33:50.450 --> 00:33:53.289
And now I'm shout out to Jim Green, buddy of mine.
710
00:33:53.309 --> 00:33:56.329
I know he does all those events like he speaks
711
00:33:56.369 --> 00:33:58.589
so highly of what they do in terms of building
712
00:33:58.630 --> 00:34:00.250
a community as well. So I do want to give
713
00:34:00.269 --> 00:34:01.910
a shout out to Emily. I heard what she does
714
00:34:01.950 --> 00:34:02.789
is absolutely incredible.
715
00:34:03.710 --> 00:34:04.049
Absolutely.
716
00:34:04.069 --> 00:34:05.829
And I would love to do it. However, I cannot
717
00:34:05.849 --> 00:34:07.450
afford a wine now at this.
718
00:34:07.470 --> 00:34:09.250
Time, but same time in the future.
719
00:34:09.829 --> 00:34:12.710
And the thing is, I was so proud of you
720
00:34:12.730 --> 00:34:14.449
when you took on Theo and won.
721
00:34:15.500 --> 00:34:19.860
It's not a fair fight, man. It's not a fair fight. Listen,
722
00:34:20.179 --> 00:34:22.980
I hold it on my head as saying like, oh,
723
00:34:23.019 --> 00:34:23.960
I won a nomination.
724
00:34:24.019 --> 00:34:26.159
I'll joke about it. It wasn't a fair fight.
725
00:34:26.280 --> 00:34:28.760
I'm a lot bigger than Theo, which I know for
726
00:34:28.780 --> 00:34:30.110
a lot of you guys is going to be weird
727
00:34:30.130 --> 00:34:31.489
to hear. What do you mean you're bigger than Theo?
728
00:34:32.010 --> 00:34:35.590
I probably like double his weight. So, um, not necessarily
729
00:34:35.650 --> 00:34:40.530
a fair fight, but bottom line is, you know, don't, don't,
730
00:34:40.880 --> 00:34:43.679
don't challenge, don't challenge the ox, you know, if you
731
00:34:43.719 --> 00:34:46.380
don't have it like that. So no, I love Theo, man. He's,
732
00:34:46.420 --> 00:34:49.139
he's such a good sport. And, um, I think, I
733
00:34:49.179 --> 00:34:50.980
think it would be a lot different if we had,
734
00:34:51.219 --> 00:34:53.219
you know, to, to prepare. And I think he could,
735
00:34:53.340 --> 00:34:56.239
you know, he might be able to beat me. Probably not, but, but,
736
00:34:56.760 --> 00:34:57.260
but it was fine.
737
00:34:58.079 --> 00:34:59.719
And I got to say this, I kind of agree
738
00:34:59.739 --> 00:35:01.719
with Wes when he came on the show earlier this year.
739
00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:04.309
He's like, he does not want to get me hurt,
740
00:35:04.489 --> 00:35:06.010
and I don't think you want to see me hurt.
741
00:35:06.030 --> 00:35:08.829
So I'm like, if I show up at a champ camp,
742
00:35:09.190 --> 00:35:12.110
I know several people like you and Polly are like, no,
743
00:35:12.150 --> 00:35:13.690
do not put Jacob on there.
744
00:35:14.570 --> 00:35:16.889
Well, listen, I think like that is something.
745
00:35:16.909 --> 00:35:20.059
So I hurt myself doing like one of the obstacle
746
00:35:20.079 --> 00:35:22.440
courses before. And like you.
747
00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:26.179
I wouldn't say just don't, don't doubt yourself, but at
748
00:35:26.199 --> 00:35:28.179
the same time, like total respect if you like, Hey,
749
00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:29.860
I'll set this one out. I just want to come
750
00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:32.380
and hang out. But like, you're capable of whatever you
751
00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:34.739
think you're capable of. Obviously, sometimes you got to put
752
00:35:34.780 --> 00:35:37.050
work in, you know, sometimes you got to, um, you know,
753
00:35:37.070 --> 00:35:40.710
hit the gym or, uh, you know, do some exercises
754
00:35:40.750 --> 00:35:44.389
to prepare for certain activities, but, um, you're capable, you know,
755
00:35:44.429 --> 00:35:45.559
you just gotta, you just gotta do it.
756
00:35:45.590 --> 00:35:47.789
So maybe sit out, maybe don't, I don't know. That's
757
00:35:47.849 --> 00:35:48.130
up to you.
758
00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:53.469
All right. If there's a champion in Kansas City, I
759
00:35:53.510 --> 00:35:55.929
may be there to root on. And if you need
760
00:35:56.150 --> 00:35:56.889
a commenter.
761
00:35:58.030 --> 00:35:59.949
Yeah, for sure.
762
00:35:59.969 --> 00:36:06.219
For sure. So during the massive challenge offseason, you and
763
00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:10.079
Zach revisited several seasons that were very centered around him
764
00:36:10.179 --> 00:36:13.519
as a character, including Vendetta's in Final Reckoning, where he
765
00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:15.920
had that infamous moment when him and Amanda had that
766
00:36:16.059 --> 00:36:19.329
infamous moment. they couldn't make a decision that was replicated
767
00:36:19.349 --> 00:36:22.780
on Battle of the Eras with Tony and Tony and Avery.
768
00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:25.900
So what was it like to rewatch with that?
769
00:36:27.800 --> 00:36:29.119
Man, that is so fun.
770
00:36:30.539 --> 00:36:32.510
You know, I think like I get a lot of
771
00:36:32.800 --> 00:36:38.230
heat from our fans specifically about not being the historian. Right.
772
00:36:38.429 --> 00:36:40.429
And even now, and I'm sure we'll get to 42,
773
00:36:40.409 --> 00:36:42.980
but people are kind of upset at a lot of
774
00:36:43.019 --> 00:36:46.789
my opinions because they're based on what I've covered professionally,
775
00:36:46.829 --> 00:36:49.590
which is USA two on and Zach hasn't been on
776
00:36:49.650 --> 00:36:52.989
any of those seasons. So going back and watching him
777
00:36:53.030 --> 00:36:56.019
and seeing his gameplay has been.
778
00:36:56.460 --> 00:36:57.699
Enlightening for sure.
779
00:36:57.719 --> 00:37:00.340
I think, I think, you know, he's somebody who gets
780
00:37:00.380 --> 00:37:03.940
like a lot of respect from his peers and that
781
00:37:03.960 --> 00:37:06.260
doesn't come easy. You know, that comes earned on the
782
00:37:06.300 --> 00:37:09.940
field and, that comes earned outside in the house. Like
783
00:37:10.300 --> 00:37:12.260
you're not, you're not going to respect somebody that you
784
00:37:12.300 --> 00:37:14.159
just don't respect. Like, like that, that has to be
785
00:37:14.239 --> 00:37:17.219
earned and watching him kind of earn it both on
786
00:37:17.239 --> 00:37:20.500
and off the field in those seasons with some of
787
00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:22.619
the decisions that he's made with some of the gameplay
788
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:26.239
with kind of his tactics and kind of also getting
789
00:37:26.380 --> 00:37:29.500
in his mindset during these times. I think like vendettas
790
00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:35.139
watching him compete with the intention of, Hey, like I'm
791
00:37:35.179 --> 00:37:35.960
ready to start a family.
792
00:37:35.980 --> 00:37:36.739
I'm ready to get married.
793
00:37:37.340 --> 00:37:39.579
I'm here to win the money to do that. And
794
00:37:39.639 --> 00:37:42.340
he had a real why. He had a real why
795
00:37:42.360 --> 00:37:46.650
to his actions. And getting that context was pretty, pretty special,
796
00:37:46.789 --> 00:37:51.550
especially considering what has come since. So, no, that's been
797
00:37:51.570 --> 00:37:54.670
super fun. And shout out to everybody who came through
798
00:37:55.230 --> 00:37:59.389
during this offseason. We just had Brittany from Final Reckoning
799
00:37:59.469 --> 00:38:02.610
and Vendettas. She came through the podcast. We had Chuck.
800
00:38:03.289 --> 00:38:06.480
We had Nate. There was a lot of different....
801
00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:08.840
Uh, people that, that made their way.
802
00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:11.010
And I know Nate was from another season, but, um,
803
00:38:11.170 --> 00:38:13.210
it was, it was great to, to get to know
804
00:38:14.010 --> 00:38:17.250
the old Zach and who he was during those moments. Um,
805
00:38:17.309 --> 00:38:18.969
as a game player, you know, I, we never had
806
00:38:18.989 --> 00:38:21.489
those conversations when we were, when he was doing them then.
807
00:38:21.510 --> 00:38:22.719
So it's great to have them now.
808
00:38:24.039 --> 00:38:27.820
Absolutely. So you and Zach are not just, are not
809
00:38:27.840 --> 00:38:32.880
just co-hosts. You're now reality TV show alumni. So, um,
810
00:38:33.230 --> 00:38:36.070
You made an announcement earlier that you will enter the
811
00:38:36.110 --> 00:38:40.719
reality TV world as a competitor on Fox's 99 TV.
812
00:38:41.070 --> 00:38:44.500
So what drew you to 99 to be over the
813
00:38:44.559 --> 00:38:48.639
amazing race, the traders, us civilian edition, big brother and
814
00:38:48.659 --> 00:38:49.260
the beast games.
815
00:38:49.980 --> 00:38:54.119
Oh man, that's a great question. Um, I will say,
816
00:38:54.280 --> 00:38:56.590
for the record, I did apply for Trader Civilians. They
817
00:38:56.610 --> 00:38:58.429
did not call me. So I would have loved to
818
00:38:58.469 --> 00:39:01.750
do Trader Civilians. If anyone's watching this, Traders, holler at me.
819
00:39:02.590 --> 00:39:07.769
But 99abit was interesting to me because obviously people have said, hey,
820
00:39:07.929 --> 00:39:08.929
do you want to go on the challenge?
821
00:39:09.130 --> 00:39:12.000
No, not for me. I'm not a runner. I'm not
822
00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:12.340
an eater.
823
00:39:12.380 --> 00:39:14.340
Believe it or not, even though I'm obese at this
824
00:39:14.380 --> 00:39:18.070
moment of recording, I am not. I won't eat everything.
825
00:39:18.190 --> 00:39:18.769
You know what I mean?
826
00:39:18.789 --> 00:39:19.289
I'm very picky.
827
00:39:19.309 --> 00:39:21.409
So I never want to do the challenge. Big Brother
828
00:39:21.550 --> 00:39:25.230
interests me because I enjoy the games. I'm competitive enough
829
00:39:25.250 --> 00:39:28.679
to do it. I love social. Problem is, is i
830
00:39:28.699 --> 00:39:31.480
know this sounds stupid but i'll never skip football season
831
00:39:31.500 --> 00:39:33.500
for anything so i'm not leaving in the beginning of
832
00:39:33.539 --> 00:39:36.420
football season i've said that before now 99 a beat
833
00:39:36.579 --> 00:39:39.369
okay the reason i wanted to do 99 a beat
834
00:39:39.429 --> 00:39:44.130
was it was a family show and i randomly put
835
00:39:44.170 --> 00:39:46.809
it on after, you know, after Sunday night football or
836
00:39:47.090 --> 00:39:49.429
I'm sorry, right before Sunday night football one, one week
837
00:39:49.469 --> 00:39:51.210
last year and told my mom like, Hey, my friend
838
00:39:51.250 --> 00:39:53.150
is on this show. Let's watch it as a family.
839
00:39:53.170 --> 00:39:56.599
It's a family show. And she watched an episode. I
840
00:39:56.639 --> 00:39:59.940
thought nothing of it. We come back to it. Uh,
841
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:01.539
I come back to my parents' house maybe two, three
842
00:40:01.559 --> 00:40:02.900
weeks later. And she's like, Hey, you know what show?
843
00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:05.199
Like I really, really love is 99 to beat. And
844
00:40:05.219 --> 00:40:06.639
I was like, no way, mom. Like you, you really
845
00:40:06.659 --> 00:40:10.000
liked the show. And she's like, yeah. So I was like, Hey,
846
00:40:10.679 --> 00:40:12.909
you know, I, I, I love my mom. I'll do
847
00:40:12.949 --> 00:40:15.730
anything to see her smile. So I said, you know,
848
00:40:15.750 --> 00:40:17.349
I'm going to apply for the show. And I've never
849
00:40:17.409 --> 00:40:19.590
really tried to go on a show, like truly, truly
850
00:40:19.630 --> 00:40:22.150
tried to get on a show before. And I went
851
00:40:22.170 --> 00:40:24.769
through the process, the interview process, and they took me
852
00:40:25.090 --> 00:40:26.210
and it was, it was a lot of fun.
853
00:40:27.730 --> 00:40:29.389
And I'm so excited. And I was looking at your
854
00:40:29.429 --> 00:40:32.690
cast members and you go and get a former power ranger,
855
00:40:32.750 --> 00:40:37.349
Karen Ashley, and a legendary Kansas city figure who is
856
00:40:37.429 --> 00:40:41.570
known to be, to cross play as Ms. Taylor Swift. So,
857
00:40:41.590 --> 00:40:44.150
so those are some of the competitors. And I know
858
00:40:44.210 --> 00:40:46.929
when we get down to the future, but however, before
859
00:40:46.969 --> 00:40:49.869
we leave 990 videos, because we cannot talk about what
860
00:40:49.929 --> 00:40:52.570
happened during these first episodes. So what was it like
861
00:40:52.809 --> 00:40:56.530
being on that soundstage and like first entering that soundstage?
862
00:40:58.340 --> 00:41:01.260
Man, you know, you, we talked about a little bit earlier,
863
00:41:01.340 --> 00:41:04.940
but there's only so much control about the way that
864
00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:08.260
you're shown and kind of having that, that anxiousness and
865
00:41:08.300 --> 00:41:13.219
that anxiety. I think, learning that, you know, Hey, like
866
00:41:13.239 --> 00:41:15.940
this is actually real. Like you see the million dollar cameras,
867
00:41:16.420 --> 00:41:20.179
you see Ken Jeong and Aaron Andrews in the press box.
868
00:41:20.559 --> 00:41:22.679
And you're like, hold on. Like I'm on a set
869
00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:27.219
with movie stars and sideline reporters. This is not real life,
870
00:41:27.579 --> 00:41:29.530
but it is. And you, you soak it all in
871
00:41:29.610 --> 00:41:32.639
and then you get to business. And, um, it was,
872
00:41:32.699 --> 00:41:36.039
it was tremendous. Uh, I will say yes, Karen was
873
00:41:36.099 --> 00:41:38.760
on our cast. Um, and shout out to Michael, my producer,
874
00:41:38.780 --> 00:41:40.349
he's a big power Rangers fan. When I told him,
875
00:41:40.380 --> 00:41:41.619
I said, Hey, you know, I was competing with a
876
00:41:41.639 --> 00:41:42.260
power Ranger, right?
877
00:41:42.539 --> 00:41:43.679
He lost his mind, which is cool.
878
00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:48.239
And then Kelly, um, the Taylor Swift impersonator, super sweet girl, um,
879
00:41:48.280 --> 00:41:52.179
competed with her as well. Um, and, uh, yeah, it was,
880
00:41:52.280 --> 00:41:55.019
there was like so many, so, so many great people
881
00:41:55.059 --> 00:41:57.619
on the cast. Um, I can't wait to see them all, um,
882
00:41:57.699 --> 00:42:00.730
at a premiere. Hopefully everyone can make it, but, um, yeah,
883
00:42:00.750 --> 00:42:04.260
it was, it was, uh, An experience and a practice
884
00:42:04.960 --> 00:42:07.980
in vulnerability, which I've talked about many times because I
885
00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:11.409
truly believe that's a huge part of reality TV and anxiety.
886
00:42:11.789 --> 00:42:14.550
And I mean that in like a positive way, like
887
00:42:15.170 --> 00:42:18.320
the anxiousness that comes with, am I going to survive
888
00:42:18.340 --> 00:42:25.739
this day, this game, this moment? those anxieties are real
889
00:42:26.329 --> 00:42:30.949
they're healthy they are um invigorating and i wanted to
890
00:42:30.969 --> 00:42:32.530
experience it for myself to try to put myself in
891
00:42:32.550 --> 00:42:34.889
the shoes of the people that i interview and uh
892
00:42:34.929 --> 00:42:36.849
you'll see how i do maybe i last one game
893
00:42:36.889 --> 00:42:39.489
maybe i last 50 games who knows but um i'm
894
00:42:39.510 --> 00:42:40.289
excited for everybody to.
895
00:42:40.289 --> 00:42:43.570
Watch and i'm and we're excited too because i might
896
00:42:43.789 --> 00:42:46.329
actually be i'll be watching this and you're at the
897
00:42:46.369 --> 00:42:49.469
opportunity to come back and tell us as the series
898
00:42:49.570 --> 00:42:52.460
unfolds i hope that you I just like because the
899
00:42:52.519 --> 00:42:54.360
thing is, it'd be great to have you back. Talk
900
00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:57.559
about your experience. So hopefully, fingers crossed, you'll be back
901
00:42:57.760 --> 00:43:01.059
as the seat once your fingers once the season come back,
902
00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:03.340
because this will be your third back to back appearance.
903
00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:04.610
You're rare. It will be rare.
904
00:43:05.849 --> 00:43:08.090
Listen, you can bet that. I'm coming back for sure.
905
00:43:08.130 --> 00:43:11.699
It just matters if I'm going to basically only have
906
00:43:12.300 --> 00:43:14.440
one game or one episode to talk about or if
907
00:43:14.460 --> 00:43:16.219
I'm going to have a full season to talk about.
908
00:43:16.619 --> 00:43:19.940
That is yet to be seen, but I'm excited to
909
00:43:20.159 --> 00:43:25.949
watch it unfold. I hope that I make myself and
910
00:43:26.030 --> 00:43:28.210
everyone else proud of me. If I don't, that's the
911
00:43:28.230 --> 00:43:31.010
vulnerability that we're talking about. It's going to be a
912
00:43:31.010 --> 00:43:31.309
fun ride.
913
00:43:32.190 --> 00:43:36.280
Alrighty. Awesome, Sev. This October, the Eeyore guys are going
914
00:43:36.320 --> 00:43:37.920
back to San Diego. I think that's going to be
915
00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:39.960
your residency, I believe.
916
00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:40.340
It is.
917
00:43:41.110 --> 00:43:41.429
It is.
918
00:43:41.860 --> 00:43:43.710
If you haven't figured it out yet, we go to
919
00:43:43.750 --> 00:43:45.469
San Diego. That is where we go. That's our home
920
00:43:45.530 --> 00:43:48.429
away from home. Literally our home away from home. Right
921
00:43:48.469 --> 00:43:51.510
now we have Johnny and Leroy on the card. Hopefully
922
00:43:51.530 --> 00:43:54.050
we can add some more. Would love to love to
923
00:43:54.070 --> 00:43:56.989
have Cara as she's done the other two San Diego shows.
924
00:43:57.030 --> 00:43:59.920
She knows that it's a possibility. So hopefully she can
925
00:43:59.940 --> 00:44:01.679
make it out. Other than that, we're going to be
926
00:44:01.699 --> 00:44:02.300
adding more people.
927
00:44:02.360 --> 00:44:02.980
So we'll see.
928
00:44:04.239 --> 00:44:09.340
Alrighty. And then if you keep San Diego 2027 in mind, hint, hint, wink, wink.
929
00:44:11.719 --> 00:44:13.960
What's going on in 2027?
930
00:44:13.960 --> 00:44:17.599
Oh, I don't know. A family trip to San Diego.
931
00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:19.889
That would be awesome. That would be awesome.
932
00:44:20.469 --> 00:44:20.710
Yeah.
933
00:44:20.750 --> 00:44:23.469
So anyway, we'll talk off mic about that. But like
934
00:44:23.489 --> 00:44:27.929
the thing is, but in all seriousness, what drives you
935
00:44:27.969 --> 00:44:30.949
to boo San Diego? And what makes fans be one
936
00:44:30.969 --> 00:44:33.170
of the most repeated cities you guys go to?
937
00:44:34.159 --> 00:44:37.239
Oh, you know what? San Diego, I mean, I'll be
938
00:44:37.260 --> 00:44:39.570
completely honest with you. Part of San Diego is that
939
00:44:39.590 --> 00:44:41.849
we just have an infrastructure there. We have a place
940
00:44:41.869 --> 00:44:44.949
that we stay. Um, that is very relaxing and it
941
00:44:45.010 --> 00:44:48.570
allows us to film podcasts as well as do the show.
942
00:44:48.690 --> 00:44:51.210
So that's a big part of it, but also we've
943
00:44:51.230 --> 00:44:54.219
been well received in San Diego. We, we just enjoy it. Um,
944
00:44:54.469 --> 00:44:56.699
it's somewhere that we play great golf every time, which
945
00:44:56.780 --> 00:44:59.159
is a lot of fun. So, um, we're able to
946
00:44:59.199 --> 00:45:01.900
play golf. We're able to film podcasts. The proximity to
947
00:45:02.019 --> 00:45:04.519
LA is huge. Also is like people that want to
948
00:45:04.539 --> 00:45:07.340
come from Los Angeles can come. Also, if we need
949
00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:10.239
to go to Los Angeles for a specific reason, um,
950
00:45:10.880 --> 00:45:12.780
you know, we just so happen to be going the
951
00:45:12.800 --> 00:45:15.400
week of the big brother finale, I believe. So you
952
00:45:15.420 --> 00:45:18.170
never know. Maybe we pop over to that finale party. Um,
953
00:45:19.210 --> 00:45:21.429
you know, a lot of things happening. So, uh, would
954
00:45:21.469 --> 00:45:24.809
love to, uh, would love to, to continue to do
955
00:45:24.849 --> 00:45:26.809
San Diego. Hopefully it continues to be a great market
956
00:45:26.829 --> 00:45:30.099
for us. So yeah, we love San Diego. Awesome.
957
00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:33.800
Awesome. So, and also please consider Kansas city.
958
00:45:35.539 --> 00:45:39.059
I listen, I would love to do Kansas city. You know,
959
00:45:39.239 --> 00:45:40.940
if you get West to do it, I'll do it.
960
00:45:42.300 --> 00:45:44.019
Alrighty. I'll see what I can. I'll see what I
961
00:45:44.039 --> 00:45:45.710
can do.
962
00:45:45.750 --> 00:45:47.590
He's a tough cookie to crack. He's a tough cookie
963
00:45:47.610 --> 00:45:49.429
to crack. I would say like for the.
964
00:45:49.389 --> 00:45:53.070
People that we haven't interviewed yet, him and CT are
965
00:45:53.090 --> 00:45:53.909
at the top of the list.
966
00:45:55.489 --> 00:45:58.039
I got to say this CT is the top of
967
00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:00.840
my list as well. And I'm just wait. And I'm
968
00:46:00.860 --> 00:46:04.219
just going to, and I'm just waiting. I'm just grateful
969
00:46:04.250 --> 00:46:06.250
that I got to meet him earlier this year because
970
00:46:06.269 --> 00:46:08.670
the thing was, and he knew what I was talking
971
00:46:08.690 --> 00:46:11.530
about with my quest trip regarding the platinum skull twist,
972
00:46:11.869 --> 00:46:14.789
the platinum golden buzzer twist, and like the hat trick, basically.
973
00:46:15.289 --> 00:46:16.989
So I'm very grateful that he was the one that
974
00:46:17.010 --> 00:46:19.960
got my thing because Polly couldn't say, she said, I
975
00:46:20.000 --> 00:46:21.320
love you, Jacob, but that's.
976
00:46:21.119 --> 00:46:23.559
Crazy what I was talking about.
977
00:46:23.599 --> 00:46:26.139
So I gotta say this. He was so nice. He
978
00:46:26.199 --> 00:46:27.039
was so cool.
979
00:46:27.719 --> 00:46:28.940
And he is the GOAT.
980
00:46:29.159 --> 00:46:33.380
And I'm sorry, Potassium. But when he said, I'm the challenge, uh-uh.
981
00:46:34.179 --> 00:46:36.000
It belongs to CT.
982
00:46:36.059 --> 00:46:41.119
Potassium is hilarious. Potassium is hilarious. Let me ask you this.
983
00:46:42.099 --> 00:46:44.719
So we talked about kind of critiques, and I'm not
984
00:46:44.739 --> 00:46:48.579
going to lie. I've gotten quite a bit of negative
985
00:46:48.639 --> 00:46:53.039
feedback myself based on my personal opinions on where CT's
986
00:46:53.099 --> 00:46:56.519
gameplay is right now. I've been more critical than most.
987
00:46:56.760 --> 00:46:59.880
I think that is something that I've stood on. But
988
00:46:59.920 --> 00:47:05.360
how do you evaluate his performance? 40, 41, what he's
989
00:47:05.380 --> 00:47:08.340
done so far in 42. Is he the same guy
990
00:47:08.360 --> 00:47:11.420
to you? Do you still think he is capable of
991
00:47:12.780 --> 00:47:14.210
what everyone thinks he's capable of?
992
00:47:14.219 --> 00:47:17.539
Okay, so in the honest take, 40 and 41 were
993
00:47:17.639 --> 00:47:19.860
not his best showings. And I think he would admit
994
00:47:19.900 --> 00:47:23.389
to that they were not his best showings. And the
995
00:47:23.449 --> 00:47:26.309
thing is, and the justice for Lekha thing did not even,
996
00:47:26.789 --> 00:47:29.570
not even, that even could not done. And like Yermi
997
00:47:29.590 --> 00:47:31.710
was excited for that justice. He said it was justice
998
00:47:31.750 --> 00:47:34.909
for this, for this justice for Lekha thing. It was
999
00:47:34.929 --> 00:47:37.329
like justice for Yermi. But the thing, and Yermi will
1000
00:47:37.369 --> 00:47:39.530
come on and talk about this. But the thing is,
1001
00:47:40.130 --> 00:47:44.769
I'm looking, CT now has a card stacked for him. Yes,
1002
00:47:44.829 --> 00:47:47.570
potassium is angry with Michelle. He's on a team, right?
1003
00:47:47.650 --> 00:47:50.420
As of this recording, that whole team is crazy. And
1004
00:47:50.460 --> 00:47:54.800
I cannot believe Chris and Anna Lee gave Justin the
1005
00:47:55.039 --> 00:47:59.900
craziest challenge lineup team I have ever seen. So CT
1006
00:47:59.920 --> 00:48:05.239
does well with teams. And I think his first vulnerability
1007
00:48:05.300 --> 00:48:10.090
was that fight between Potassium and him on regarding. And
1008
00:48:10.130 --> 00:48:12.789
look what happened. He was safe from going against Cedric.
1009
00:48:13.289 --> 00:48:15.949
If that happened, both of us know that Cedric could
1010
00:48:15.969 --> 00:48:18.760
have had the chance to to whip CT and take
1011
00:48:18.780 --> 00:48:23.710
him out early again, like what happened with 41 and 41.
1012
00:48:23.710 --> 00:48:26.449
But the thing is, CT knows how to play games.
1013
00:48:26.510 --> 00:48:29.670
He's one of the best social gamers in that game.
1014
00:48:29.730 --> 00:48:32.280
And the thing is, I think the reputation is, no
1015
00:48:32.340 --> 00:48:35.300
one wants to get skull bashed by CT. So I
1016
00:48:35.380 --> 00:48:40.639
think right now, CT is on a safe spot. But
1017
00:48:40.659 --> 00:48:43.059
at the same time, that team does not have a
1018
00:48:43.099 --> 00:48:45.730
lot of... That T, if they get rid of Potassium,
1019
00:48:46.170 --> 00:48:47.530
if they get rid of it, this is a big hit.
1020
00:48:48.210 --> 00:48:49.949
He knows that he's going to be the next big target.
1021
00:48:50.510 --> 00:48:52.630
So I think he's trying to make sure that he's
1022
00:48:52.650 --> 00:48:55.489
pushing that target onto Potassium so he can stay on
1023
00:48:55.510 --> 00:48:57.349
the line. And look what happened with War of the
1024
00:48:57.389 --> 00:49:01.449
Worlds 2. And look at Double Agents. And look at Riders, Spies, Lies,
1025
00:49:01.469 --> 00:49:05.949
and Alex. CT was able to get safe because of that.
1026
00:49:06.030 --> 00:49:07.619
And we made it all the way to the end.
1027
00:49:10.119 --> 00:49:14.739
Yeah, I think that's probably the best point that's been made.
1028
00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:19.670
And Zach and Michael on our most recent podcast, like they.
1029
00:49:20.440 --> 00:49:21.130
fighting me on it.
1030
00:49:21.320 --> 00:49:23.960
And they see more value in CT for the team
1031
00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:26.860
than they do Johnny at this current time.
1032
00:49:26.900 --> 00:49:29.300
And we're two episodes in. And I just don't.
1033
00:49:29.500 --> 00:49:32.820
But I think the best argument you've made is that
1034
00:49:32.920 --> 00:49:36.099
he is in very... you know, and it's not news,
1035
00:49:36.199 --> 00:49:38.719
but he's an underrated social player and I'm underrating him
1036
00:49:39.239 --> 00:49:43.699
as a social player. In this particular case, I think,
1037
00:49:44.489 --> 00:49:48.409
you know, who knows what happens, but I do think Michelle,
1038
00:49:48.849 --> 00:49:52.989
she has an opportunity to build a bridge with Bananas
1039
00:49:53.050 --> 00:49:55.889
and win, you know, and go far. I do think
1040
00:49:55.949 --> 00:49:58.869
Bananas is more valuable to the team. I think that
1041
00:49:58.909 --> 00:50:01.840
if CT goes into elimination, he loses. That hasn't been
1042
00:50:01.880 --> 00:50:04.380
popular opinions on our podcast. It's not going to make
1043
00:50:04.400 --> 00:50:06.559
me change my opinion. It's the way I feel, but
1044
00:50:06.980 --> 00:50:07.860
I just wanted your opinion.
1045
00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:13.460
And I think you, you definitely, you definitely like enlightened me.
1046
00:50:13.480 --> 00:50:15.880
And I know that, that he is a good social player,
1047
00:50:15.940 --> 00:50:20.920
but for me, I just didn't understand how CT is
1048
00:50:20.940 --> 00:50:23.920
going to help you win dailies, keep your team together
1049
00:50:24.440 --> 00:50:27.280
better than Johnny. You know, I think, and to your
1050
00:50:27.320 --> 00:50:33.920
point earlier about Justin having this whole stack team, I agreed,
1051
00:50:33.960 --> 00:50:36.320
and when we asked the question on our podcast, I said, hey,
1052
00:50:36.699 --> 00:50:40.489
I do think that they are the best team, but
1053
00:50:40.590 --> 00:50:44.050
it's not really based on... it's, it's pretty much solely
1054
00:50:44.070 --> 00:50:46.449
based on experience. I think the other team has, has
1055
00:50:46.510 --> 00:50:48.289
just as much athleticism. I think it has just as
1056
00:50:48.349 --> 00:50:52.079
much grit, but experience like it's, it's not even close.
1057
00:50:52.099 --> 00:50:53.860
Like it's not debatable that they have the best team.
1058
00:50:53.900 --> 00:50:56.219
So interesting. We'll see how it plays out.
1059
00:50:56.340 --> 00:50:59.840
I think we've seen gray when the first two daily challenges.
1060
00:50:59.900 --> 00:51:01.880
So like, Hey, are they the best team? And that's
1061
00:51:01.940 --> 00:51:03.099
kind of my point. That was kind of my point
1062
00:51:03.119 --> 00:51:04.900
the whole time, but we'll see. We'll see how it
1063
00:51:04.920 --> 00:51:05.300
plays out.
1064
00:51:06.440 --> 00:51:08.789
Absolutely. And this is, and here's the thing with this season.
1065
00:51:08.849 --> 00:51:12.179
It's anyone's game. I feel sorry for Cara. Because a
1066
00:51:12.320 --> 00:51:15.460
lot of my favorites are going down. Like Ara and Cedric.
1067
00:51:15.500 --> 00:51:18.579
If you saw my thing with Drew, we both selected Cedric.
1068
00:51:18.840 --> 00:51:22.019
And seeing him go early, seeing Calmer and Muriel in
1069
00:51:22.039 --> 00:51:25.980
the losing spots, and TJ being more harsh than I've
1070
00:51:26.000 --> 00:51:28.780
seen in years. I think the 41 onion and cheating
1071
00:51:29.019 --> 00:51:32.460
really did him in. Really pissed him off. Sorry about
1072
00:51:32.480 --> 00:51:35.579
my language, everybody. But the thing is, he's being more,
1073
00:51:35.739 --> 00:51:38.340
so far, he's being very tough. And he's being a
1074
00:51:38.480 --> 00:51:42.260
little more Simon Cowell-esque Old school Simon Cowlitz. And I've
1075
00:51:42.280 --> 00:51:42.949
seen him in years.
1076
00:51:44.010 --> 00:51:45.650
I don't hate it. Honestly, I don't hate it. Like
1077
00:51:45.670 --> 00:51:46.949
you got to have an iron fist. You have to
1078
00:51:47.010 --> 00:51:49.030
rule with an iron fist. If you're going to be
1079
00:51:49.050 --> 00:51:50.190
the enforcer, then enforce.
1080
00:51:51.829 --> 00:51:52.369
Absolutely.
1081
00:51:52.429 --> 00:51:55.219
Absolutely. The thing is, I'm very excited to see who
1082
00:51:55.639 --> 00:52:01.440
these mysterious, I can't remember what they're called.
1083
00:52:01.460 --> 00:52:02.659
The mercenaries.
1084
00:52:03.460 --> 00:52:06.199
Mercenaries. Thank you. Thank you. I'm excited to see what
1085
00:52:06.219 --> 00:52:09.530
their mercenaries are because the thing is, Like, to give, like,
1086
00:52:09.570 --> 00:52:13.369
I've seen an interview that Potassium did. It said that
1087
00:52:13.389 --> 00:52:16.070
when he saw them, he's thinking of someone that's shocked.
1088
00:52:16.090 --> 00:52:18.489
So I'm thinking someone that Potassium has a history with.
1089
00:52:18.989 --> 00:52:23.139
Maybe antagonistic, like a Frank, Sweeney Fox, or Sarah Rice.
1090
00:52:23.739 --> 00:52:26.280
Those are two names that immediately come to mind. I
1091
00:52:26.300 --> 00:52:28.760
don't think it's Pauly, because you and I both know
1092
00:52:29.480 --> 00:52:31.840
if Pauly, and Pauly would be shouting from rooftops if
1093
00:52:31.860 --> 00:52:32.219
it was him.
1094
00:52:33.710 --> 00:52:36.469
Well, I mean, Pauly, so I'll fight you on that
1095
00:52:36.489 --> 00:52:37.820
a little bit. I think it could be Pauly, and
1096
00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:43.099
here's why, okay? Watching War of the Worlds 2, you
1097
00:52:43.139 --> 00:52:46.099
can't tell from his interviews that he loses. You cannot
1098
00:52:46.139 --> 00:52:47.659
tell from his interviews that he loses. He is the
1099
00:52:47.719 --> 00:52:52.619
most confident person ever. So, for me, Pauly knows how
1100
00:52:52.659 --> 00:52:57.610
to make an entrance, and I think Snake in the Grass, like,
1101
00:52:58.070 --> 00:53:00.269
it could easily be Pauly. And it could be Pauly
1102
00:53:00.869 --> 00:53:05.130
not only to... I don't know if get vengeance or
1103
00:53:05.170 --> 00:53:07.739
I don't know if like... Revenge. Because those aren't the
1104
00:53:07.780 --> 00:53:09.320
words I would associate with the way that he feels
1105
00:53:09.360 --> 00:53:12.909
about Kara. Maybe he goes in there to help Cara.
1106
00:53:13.219 --> 00:53:15.300
Maybe he goes in there to get back at Johnny.
1107
00:53:15.360 --> 00:53:17.610
Maybe he goes in there to prove his point against
1108
00:53:17.650 --> 00:53:20.230
the Brad who they had Twitter beef with. Maybe he
1109
00:53:20.269 --> 00:53:22.269
goes and then we see that they're, they're hanging out.
1110
00:53:22.289 --> 00:53:25.650
So maybe there's something has been slimmed over there. Maybe
1111
00:53:25.710 --> 00:53:28.530
he's there. Cause he's, he's said certain things about CT
1112
00:53:28.550 --> 00:53:32.489
being what I'm not totally disregarding Pauly because when he
1113
00:53:32.510 --> 00:53:35.610
came and did our podcast, it was the very beginning
1114
00:53:35.670 --> 00:53:38.750
of that vacation. So he could have easily went after that.
1115
00:53:38.769 --> 00:53:40.949
So I'm not, I'm not pushing Pauly aside. Now, to
1116
00:53:40.969 --> 00:53:43.090
your other point about him having history with the person.
1117
00:53:44.090 --> 00:53:47.110
I mean, they don't, they don't need history to be shocked,
1118
00:53:47.190 --> 00:53:49.030
but I mean, it probably would make for good TV,
1119
00:53:49.070 --> 00:53:51.389
you know, probably would make for a good TV.
1120
00:53:51.809 --> 00:53:52.369
So I don't know.
1121
00:53:52.409 --> 00:53:54.610
Who, who do you imagine it being?
1122
00:53:55.750 --> 00:53:58.280
Um, I can think of some people that attack that
1123
00:53:58.320 --> 00:54:01.179
haven't been on the show main series in ages that
1124
00:54:01.199 --> 00:54:04.000
would shock people. I think a name would be fun,
1125
00:54:04.099 --> 00:54:06.679
especially since they have some kind of fighting elements. Um,
1126
00:54:07.230 --> 00:54:09.340
And I also think Coral, because the thing is that
1127
00:54:09.360 --> 00:54:12.480
would get a lot of people riled up and hadn't
1128
00:54:12.679 --> 00:54:16.000
come up. I think Rachel, Rachel's a good one because
1129
00:54:16.039 --> 00:54:19.000
she's a very strong, she's a three-time champion. She hasn't
1130
00:54:19.019 --> 00:54:22.860
made her appearance known. And Sarah, I think, has washed off.
1131
00:54:22.900 --> 00:54:25.309
But if you think this could be, but Sarah, if
1132
00:54:25.349 --> 00:54:27.610
they say, hey, we'll pay you, you get to shop
1133
00:54:27.630 --> 00:54:29.769
bananas and you get the money and you get some money,
1134
00:54:30.070 --> 00:54:33.389
that would probably be it. And I think Frank, he's been,
1135
00:54:33.409 --> 00:54:37.840
after that All-Stars 5, he really wants, And after starting Finley,
1136
00:54:38.179 --> 00:54:40.139
what 12 more times they go up to put up
1137
00:54:40.179 --> 00:54:44.019
against Johnny Potassium because Frank Sweeney Fox and Jonathan Potassium
1138
00:54:44.039 --> 00:54:47.659
have a rivalry, right? Potassium said that Frank is his
1139
00:54:47.699 --> 00:54:51.619
least favorite partner. So having someone that he despises and
1140
00:54:51.639 --> 00:54:54.019
surprise come back, or also I could give my boy
1141
00:54:54.079 --> 00:54:57.610
Jay Starrett because Jay is someone that has been gone
1142
00:54:57.639 --> 00:55:00.179
for a very long time and not a lot of
1143
00:55:00.199 --> 00:55:04.429
people like Jay. And I think Jay and Johnny have history.
1144
00:55:05.289 --> 00:55:08.130
Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think those are all good choices. I'll
1145
00:55:08.150 --> 00:55:11.869
throw in a couple more. I think I think Apollo,
1146
00:55:12.269 --> 00:55:14.750
you know, I think Apollo would be amazing. Somebody that
1147
00:55:14.769 --> 00:55:17.030
would definitely shock. I think if she walked out that door,
1148
00:55:17.929 --> 00:55:20.800
maybe Kenny. We know Kenny has been in the spotlight
1149
00:55:20.880 --> 00:55:24.940
for his fitness goals and kind of doing what he
1150
00:55:24.960 --> 00:55:28.510
has done. Part of me feels like whatever. there's been
1151
00:55:28.550 --> 00:55:30.389
going on of that has not had him on the
1152
00:55:30.429 --> 00:55:32.469
show could be solved by now.
1153
00:55:32.489 --> 00:55:36.070
I don't know. Um, but yeah, I, I, I, I
1154
00:55:36.090 --> 00:55:37.309
think those are all good options.
1155
00:55:37.530 --> 00:55:39.909
I would say like those last two would be really,
1156
00:55:39.929 --> 00:55:42.630
really interesting to me because correct me if I'm wrong.
1157
00:55:42.670 --> 00:55:46.550
What was Kenny on cutthroat was, uh, he was right.
1158
00:55:46.570 --> 00:55:47.670
I believe Kenny.
1159
00:55:47.449 --> 00:55:49.769
Was on cutthroat, I believe, because I heard in the
1160
00:55:49.829 --> 00:55:54.289
roast where Derek's roast that she, that Cara, Paula, and
1161
00:55:54.329 --> 00:55:56.409
I believe.
1162
00:55:55.929 --> 00:56:01.650
Not Evelyn, So Kenny and Paula, to me, those would
1163
00:56:01.690 --> 00:56:03.909
be some of the most appropriate because they're from the
1164
00:56:03.949 --> 00:56:05.090
original Cutthroat season.
1165
00:56:05.429 --> 00:56:07.030
They're both in tremendous shape.
1166
00:56:07.420 --> 00:56:12.039
Like, they would be kind of showing, like, we'll show
1167
00:56:12.079 --> 00:56:13.679
you what Cutthroat is. Like, you want to know what
1168
00:56:13.699 --> 00:56:15.199
Cutthroat is? You want to get back to the original
1169
00:56:15.219 --> 00:56:17.650
days of the challenge? Let me bring back some OGs
1170
00:56:18.030 --> 00:56:21.900
that not only are... they're, they're, they're OGs, but they're
1171
00:56:21.920 --> 00:56:25.360
still in tremendous, tremendous shape. Like that would be, to me,
1172
00:56:25.380 --> 00:56:28.619
that's like the dream pair because two people, you talk
1173
00:56:28.639 --> 00:56:31.360
about two people that Johnny has history with. Kenny was
1174
00:56:31.400 --> 00:56:33.610
like an older brother to Johnny on the show. And
1175
00:56:33.670 --> 00:56:36.369
Paula was his castmate on a real world. And just
1176
00:56:36.409 --> 00:56:39.969
somebody who they always kind of had, sometimes they work together.
1177
00:56:40.050 --> 00:56:42.469
Sometimes they went against it. So it's, it's to me,
1178
00:56:42.489 --> 00:56:45.320
those that's a dream scenario. I like everyone else you mentioned,
1179
00:56:45.340 --> 00:56:46.619
but to me, those are the, that's a dream.
1180
00:56:47.219 --> 00:56:49.300
And I want to add one that's going to throw
1181
00:56:49.480 --> 00:56:52.940
everybody through a loop and be maybe controversial. It's time
1182
00:56:52.960 --> 00:56:55.599
for D. Nightwing to return. I know a lot of
1183
00:56:55.619 --> 00:56:58.260
people are not happy. If Kenny can return, so can D.
1184
00:56:58.380 --> 00:56:59.960
If Nelson can return, so can D.
1185
00:56:59.949 --> 00:57:07.030
Well, if Nelson... Yeah. Yeah, Nelson has returned. Kenny hasn't yet,
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so we don't know. But yeah, D, I mean, that...
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To me, that's... That would shock everybody. To me, that's
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an interesting one. And, you know, a lot of people...
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it's tough because for me, I would say to have
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her on, but it's a different era now. And I
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think it takes a brave person to be like, hey,
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we can move past this.
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Or whatever, basically public outcry in certain ways.
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But like I said, I don't know all the facts,
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but I don't hate that suggestion. I think she's a champion.
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I think she's somebody who adds value to the show.
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So you never know.
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I never know as well. And like the thing is,
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and also I'm going to give a shout out to
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D and Ollie Mazel Tov on your upcoming baby as well.
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That's to give that as well. And I hope he
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or she arrives safely. So that will end on that note.
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But the thing is, Pierre, we got to start winding
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down this conversation because I love having you as a guest.
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So where can I find the Zach Nichols podcast? And
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also where can I find tickets to the live show
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in October? And by the way, where can they watch
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99 to beat? And then also where can they connect
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with you on social media?
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Oh man.
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I appreciate the plug, Jacob. Um, so Zach Nichols podcast,
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we're on Tik TOK, we're on YouTube, we're on Instagram. Um,
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we have our link tree attached to all those profiles.
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So in the link tree, you'll be able to find
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links to, um, our live shows, both for tickets, um,
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that if you want to come in person, um, there's
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a link in our Patreon. If you just want to
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stay at home and watch them at home, um, You
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can subscribe to our Patreon.
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So yeah, very, very simple.
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Just type in Zach Nichols Podcast on whatever app you use.
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And then 99 to Beat airs September 23rd, Wednesday on
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Fox and Hulu the next day. So definitely check out
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99 to Beat. We want that to go as crazy
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as it possibly can. Make sure you get Paramount Plus.
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Watch Challenge 42. And yeah, do all the things. But
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most importantly, like and subscribe to Jake's Take if you
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haven't already.
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Thank you so much. And guys, see you next. This
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is an episode of the Jake's Take a Jake evaluation. podcast.
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This is our channels on Amazon Music, Apple Podcasts, iHeartRadio, Spotify,
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and Spreaker. Jake's Take with Jacob Elisha, J-A-C-O-B-E-L-Y-A-C-H-A-R. Now, are
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you on social media? I'm on social media too. Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, Twitter, X,
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and YouTube. Jacob, L-A-C-H-A-R, J-A-C-O-B-E-L-Y-A-C-H-A-R. And guys, want to find out,
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head to the reason why I'm celebrating 15 years. Want
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to see my interview with Pierre along with a lot
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of people from the Challenge World. This is John and
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Beth and Scott and Derek and Drew and Pauly. Head
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over to jakes-shake.com. Let's go to jakes-shake.com. And guys, I
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want to give a huge shout out to my friends
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over at the Greater City Chamber of Commerce. Earlier this year,
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they made me a small business superstar. It means the
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world to me to be recognized. by my hometown. Pierre,
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my friend, I'm so proud of you. Thank you so
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much for always having my back and always first being
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a really good friend to me. And also you always
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make our podcast fun and it's exciting.
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Love being a part of it, brother. Thank you for
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having me. And I'll always come on, man. This is,
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this is a highlight.
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Thank you so much. And guys, thank you so much
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for watching. Thank you so much for listening until next time.
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Have a great one. Everybody.
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Bye.