00:00.00
Eric
I can't believe I'm talking to Mr Inspired minds himself.
00:02.15
jeffwatson
Okay, we're gonna I'm gonna edit that out. Get try this again. 3 2 here we go and hello everyone welcome. To the inspired minds podcast the lovely and talented Mr Eric Morris Eric Morris say hello to the dazzled throng. What a wonderful wonderful guy. So Eric and I have known each other for quite some time you worked with Warner Brothers records at at Warner music group and.
00:41.54
Eric
Hello friends.
01:06.45
jeffwatson
I'll get into all that later but the None question that I always ask every guest on the show is Eric Morse what was the None thing that inspired you when you were a kid a song a book a movie a poem. Go.
01:32.28
Eric
Yeah, oh man I've been thinking about this because I am a listener to the show and I knew it was coming Um, and um, you know I'm I'm also a dad I've got four kids and so ah like a.
01:40.13
jeffwatson
Very much.
02:10.20
Eric
Observing them and and sort of growing up with them. Um I've noticed the different types of inspiration along the way and so um and the way kids are inspired and so I feel like I I'm not giving it a fair answer to say the None But. But that my earliest memory of something really kind of like holy Shit. What is this?? um was my brother brought home Prince's 1999 and he was playing it on his turntable.
03:14.61
jeffwatson
Ho ho.
03:28.12
Eric
Um, and ah you know for it. It's so interesting the way it kind of different things inspire or affect different people for him like he loved it because it was the hot pop record of the moment you know and for me I was just like wait a second. This guy's a man. I immediately you know had to know everything about Prince and listen to the whole record over and over again and basically kind of like adopted that record from him. Um, and you know that was the None that at least again, you know that I can recollect that was the None time. That I really felt like music is super powerful. It can change my mood. It can change my my ah outlook it can change my perspective. It can you know make me happy when I'm sad and um so the earliest moment that I remember feeling. Really truly inspired by you know something external was was prince.
05:30.27
jeffwatson
Yeah I mean he you know all roads lead to Rome kind of thing right? I will tell you a quick story that you don't know about me and that or you don't think you know and that is and it's a long story. How I got to this point but I ended up.
05:40.98
Eric
Um, yeah, yeah.
06:05.93
jeffwatson
Ah, playing keyboards for this band and to will turn and it was like a one off thing and like for some giant event place was packed and we're all backstage and um, one of the women was dating Katie Lang and the other was dating Ellen Degeneres so
06:42.20
Eric
Wow.
06:45.53
jeffwatson
We're all in this tiny little room. Um Ellen Degeneres was just annoying and like jumping on a couch which I thought was interesting given the Com Cruise thing later. Um, but Katie all of a sudden. Oh and Wendy Melvoye from the from the revolution was there too in this tiny little room.
07:05.58
Eric
Yeah, yeah. Ah.
07:20.45
jeffwatson
And Katie says does anybody know a purple rain and Wendy kind of rolled her eyes and started playing the intro on her little guitar and and then she turned to us and she says do you guys know it? Yeah, she says why don't we do an encore and I'll sing it and Wendy will play and said okay and lo and behold.
07:31.82
Eric
That.
07:54.40
Eric
Whoa Oh my? ah.
08:00.21
jeffwatson
Right? And you don't know the sound of God until you're listening to her saying purple rain. Yeah and at one point I was standing on the side of the stage playing and she walks over to me and like croons like towards me in the like slicks away like she does So that's my print story with that. Actually.
08:08.40
Eric
Holy shit. Yeah.
08:35.14
Eric
Ah, yeah.
08:39.43
jeffwatson
Having a prince story. So so so okay, so the reason I like asking this question is it always provides a through line especially for creatives to where they are now so Prince opened you up in terms of the musicality and in terms of I would assume the passion correct.
08:59.86
Eric
Um, yeah, um, oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, well, it's interesting because um I I.
09:17.99
jeffwatson
You want to talk about that a bit more.
09:39.30
Eric
You know I played music all the week in my childhood I played in bands when I was in my twenty s I was a deejay for almost ten years but I would not call myself a musician. Um, but then you know I worked in the music industry with you and other places for about 10 years um my day job is marketing and I worked in marketing in the music industry and I started to kind of understand my relationship to music and to art and to ah a lot of you know those kind of like. Classic outward manifestations of of creativity as um, an enthusiast or as ah, an advocate I've got a website right now that says Erick Morris is an advocate because because that's what I've been trying to identify is the is the throughline. Um, and ah I came to realize that all of my roles as and as a grownup whether I was a writer or whether I was in marketing or whether I was actually creating things musically and otherwise was really just to kind of amplify. Stuff that I saw out there that turned me on um and kind of with this with this sort of ethos of like how come everybody doesn't love this as much as I do so. So yeah, it's it's been really interesting. You know in the 90 s I lived in. Olympia which was sort of a punk town at the time and um was very much a punktown in time. Um, and I really kind of like just was enthralled with all of the all of the groundbreaking music that was happening. Um, that was at the very beginning of the riot girl movement and a lot of other sort of punk movements and um, you know like I was a tall straight white dude from the midwest I wasn't I didn't necessarily have ah a place in in creating the music. But.
13:23.31
jeffwatson
Um, sure.
14:00.20
Eric
Um I got to you know, help out by designing record labels and by going on tour and and so I became really oddly fulfilled by my role as a cheerleader. Um, and and yeah.
14:23.61
jeffwatson
Yeah.
14:34.76
Eric
I'm pretty happy with that role to be honest.
14:39.23
jeffwatson
It's a great role. You know like and you know this I'm starting to starting to do some therapy as a young you know training therapist and I always tell my clients that you know a lot of times I'm gonna be your purchase meredith to your rocky right? like I'm gonna be I'm your corner man I'm gonna.
14:53.68
Eric
Um, yeah.
15:05.82
Eric
Um, nice pick one? Yeah yeah.
15:13.67
jeffwatson
Spray water on you and get out there and rock and and it's that cheerleader idea of having pompoms or whatever that looks like you know I love that aspect of it.
15:28.94
Eric
Yeah, yeah, well, it's funny I don't know if your work has been and frankly I don't even know if this is legit or if it's just like pop psychology but the whole Enneagram thing. Um I did my Enneagram recently and it turned you know I got the results back in there like. Your type is enthusiasts and I was like perfect. That's exactly what I am um, yeah I'm I'm all about like you know finding and championing other people who are doing cool shit and and it feels like like my creativity along the way.
16:26.39
jeffwatson
Sure.
16:43.28
Eric
Either again, either my writing or my design or whatever I've been working on um has felt creative in this almost like um I don't want to say osmosis but like like. Sort of a symbiotic kind of relationship where I've been able to be creative in the service of other creatives which is again like a really satisfying role.
17:38.93
jeffwatson
Sure yeah, and you know that was my role essentially at Warner Brothers I was you know it's service work that's kind of how I looked at it I mean I didn't want to do service for you know, trapped or any of those shitty mans but I did um yeah little editorializing there. Um.
17:49.80
Eric
Um, yeah, yeah.
18:09.24
Eric
Ah, yeah stuff we couldn't say we're on the clock that was stuff that we we weren't allowed to say when we were on the clock.
18:18.21
jeffwatson
But here's what I want to ask I'm sorry. No I can say that actually I did quite frankly, but regardless the thing I like about these about doing these interviews is they're They're mostly polymaths like yourself and because there's this thing about creativity that it doesn't necessarily have to be confined. In fact, it rarely is confined.
18:49.92
Eric
Oh was it.
19:08.30
jeffwatson
To 1 lane right? be because you have to get it out. You know there's that feeling of creativity and with the artists that I've interviewed you know, ah various kinds obviously but they all have the same thing which is essentially I just have to get it out I have to and there's that.
19:13.36
Eric
Um, that's a great point. Yeah.
19:44.16
Eric
Um, yeah.
19:47.93
jeffwatson
There's that drive almost as a survivalist technique and and and that's something I see in you. So um, you know you've done you know trampoline house which I want to get into it a None Um, you've done your podcasts I know with Carrie Murphy actually
19:54.66
Eric
Totally Yeah yeah I get that.
20:22.24
Eric
Um, oh yeah.
20:25.61
jeffwatson
Animal crackers and the name and them. Um, fun fact I don't listen to podcasts have them listen to 1 Why no is all on the fly. Um well I look at it like a radio show like like the late night radio shows on am m dial.
20:37.60
Eric
Really, you sure are good at it.
21:00.93
jeffwatson
Like art bell and these weird voices in the night coming in the desert you know like theater of the mind that's kind of what I'm trying to do I guess making this shit up as we go along since 1969 um so I really want to so first of all.
21:03.72
Eric
Waha. Yeah, yeah, that's very much we buy.
21:38.35
jeffwatson
Tell me about trampoline house because that was pretty early on when it comes to that stuff now.
21:49.14
Eric
Yeah, um, yeah, it's actually a really It's actually a perfect example of what I was saying before so I was living in Olympia Washington I was working at this bar. Um, and my coworkers were among other people Kathleen Hannah of Bikini kill. Couple members of unwound and like a kill rock stars. Movement. Um, and I was just kind of like surrounded by these people making really cool shit and I was like you know, like again kind of where do I fit in here. What can I um.
22:23.11
jeffwatson
Um, one.
23:04.60
Eric
what can I contribute and what I really I had this fantasy of creating like an actual beautiful glossy hard copy hard copy magazine that just exposed the world to this cool art that I saw going on and music that I was listening to. And writers who I knew um and it was just sort of a pipe dream for a long time until I moved from Olympia to Seattle which felt like the big city as time. Um, and what was right at sort of the beginning of http://the.comboom and um I got a job at Http://a.com and then the job. Dot com bust happened and so they shut down our whole department I got laid off and that was that moment where I was like had nothing but time and I was like you know, maybe I'll pursue this this magazine idea. Um, but of course I didn't have the resources to create a magazine. All I could really do is build a website so um so I built this website and it was called trampoline house because the house I grew up in had a trampoline in the background in the backyard and all the neighborhood kids would come and and like congregate on the trampoline and it was a place where you know. Like cool stuff happened and and people would share their ideas and we would just sort of like hang out late into the night staring the start stars and talking and um so trampoline house was art music and literature and I built the website. wrote all the kind at the beginning I wrote all the content until I was able to bring people on and um it was just like this amazing sort of reverie of like diving into everything that I thought was cool. And sort of making connections from there like you know, an interview a band and I would say your album cover art is really cool. Can you tell me who designed it and then they would make that connection and it would just like you know, kind of like go deeper and deeper down a pre- Youtube rabbit hole. Um.
27:12.99
jeffwatson
Yeah.
27:21.20
Eric
And then I got to write about it all and put it up on this website. Um, and it was really just like None of those things where you know people say what would you do if you if money was no object and money was an object but what would you do? if you could do anything and that was what I wanted to be doing. Um. And so that was what oh None None in 2000 at the beginning of oh four March of ah 4 um trampoline house was named best new online magazine by south by southwest. Um.
28:27.51
jeffwatson
Whoa like.
28:32.18
Eric
And so I went you know I flew to Austin and like collected an award and I was like this is my moment I'm making it big and I moved to New York city and I was like you know New York City here um um like the the.
28:48.10
jeffwatson
10
29:03.56
Eric
Line in Stevie. Wonder's song where the guy gets off the bus and he says skyscrapers and everything I was laughed at all um and making it big did not happen but it was it was like that entire experience was driven by just like being. Fortunate enough to to be kind of immersed in these. Um this community where other people were doing cool stuff and I was just like somebody has to be talking about this. So yeah.
30:05.35
jeffwatson
Right? Sorry Boom one second.
30:26.15
jeffwatson
Sorry about that. Um, so then you and I don't know what the timeline is between that and my the next question but my god so you I know you wrote 2 amazing children's books what is punk.
30:41.92
Eric
Um, how we get older.
31:05.30
jeffwatson
And what is hip hop and I know that they were all so beautifully designed and created ah visually at least in claimmation form and I want to know why and what did you get out of that.
31:21.78
Eric
Yeah, yeah.
31:32.48
Eric
Um, ah oh man, what I got out of it. That's a long there's a long list ah it why again was just I I had a newborn I think a six month old and you know he was reading all these dumb books.
32:04.81
jeffwatson
10
32:11.50
Eric
They were they were great books but um they weren't necessarily relevant to the lifestyle I was interested in at the time. Um, and ah again I just like I was a new dad and I wanted to share with my kid stuff that I loved. Um. And I had this sort of at the time also had you know like Avril Levine was big and and there was a lot of kind of people out there who mainstream publications described as punk and I was sort of like. My kid is going to grow up in a world where punk is like a plaid miniskirrted hot topic and not know what punk is and um and so you know I was driven by this really sort of paternal desire to again like share what I loved with my kid. And also um, kind of like mansplain it I some point that I but but so so I wrote what is punk in like Dr Susian rhyming couplets. Um and it was. It's it's a history of the beginnings of the Punk Rock movement it goes
34:09.75
jeffwatson
Ha Ha ha.
34:41.40
Eric
You know from band to band and it touches on almost all the big ones. Um, and ah it was important to me that it be kind of cutesy and rhymy so that younger kids or even toddlers could could get it but also that it touch on the things that we as parents. You know, loved so much and and um I wanted to communicate what a true revolution. It was to hear these bands for the none time. Um and how you know if you hadn't the none time you hear a sex pistol song like it'll blow your mind. Um, and that's not so much the case anymore because sex pistols are you know, embedded in everything that you know kids hear and and see um but it was also important you know the visual piece of picture books is obviously super important. You might say. The most important part and I wanted to communicate the like the genuine authentic energy of it all and so I was just again I went back to my trampoline house like days of just. Diving into artists and illustrators around the country who were who were doing work that I thought would be accessible to kids but also authentic and I stumbled on this blog that was called hey ho. Let's dough and it was. Was this random girl in l a who was recreating photos of the ramons in Plato and I was like oh my god like the you know the clouds parted angels sang and it was It was so amazing. So um.
37:55.75
jeffwatson
Wow.
38:09.23
jeffwatson
Ah, her.
38:22.64
Eric
Her name's Annie Yi she lives in l a she's amazing. She's an artist and a photographer and she was just like doing this. You know it was that was the days that was the the life stage of the internet where people were just like being. Weird and cool because they wanted like because they loved it and they would put stuff up on the internet and just like you would find it and make these connections and so she's been ah, an amazing collaborator in her work like you said her work is just amazing.
39:38.49
jeffwatson
Mind-blowing.
39:41.20
Eric
Um, yeah, mind blowing and we did what is punk together and then we did what is hip hop and um, what is hip hop like you know to be honest when I was 12 1314 I was more into and influenced by hip hop than than punk and so I knew pretty. Early on that I wanted to also tell the story of hip hop and I started just imagining what you know Biggie Smalls would look like in clay and um, you know like all of these all of these um you know.
40:32.87
jeffwatson
Um.
40:51.28
Eric
Classic pioneers just like starting to see them through Annie's eyes was a really great fun experience. Um, and her work. Please oh yeah, oh yeah it
40:53.71
jeffwatson
Ah, it's not a curiosity I'm going to I'm going to stop you for 1 heartbeat out of curiosity. You did you throw Chuck d and public enemy in there. Ah, but but um and I bring this up for 1 specific reason I saw literally the greatest show I think I've ever seen.
41:29.00
Eric
Yeah.
41:33.61
jeffwatson
Was a public enemy in Santa Barbara at like some maybe 500 seat well seat maybe a 300 capacity room and this is on a fear but black fear to black planet tour so they were already pretty big to begin with and the cool thing I lived I lived in Santa Barbara going to school there and the cool thing was big bands.
41:49.26
Eric
Oh my god.
42:03.30
Eric
Aha.
42:11.65
jeffwatson
Would go from San Francisco to play like you know 2000 places and just to get a date in down to l a they play at this tiny little place I saw pantera I saw but so many pans but public enemy specifically 300 kids just bouncing around but the best thing about it was it was such an old club that the wood the stage was wooden.
42:24.56
Eric
Ah, you not know me.
42:49.30
Eric
Um, oh my God ah.
42:50.15
jeffwatson
So every time this s w ones would like step. The record would skip the records would skip so Chuck actually made the s one w's leave just to get the sound right? and 1 last thing by the way just one last thing because I know you know this.
43:13.58
Eric
Ah, that's amazing. Oh man. Yeah, ah sure. Yeah.
43:25.51
jeffwatson
You know that song by that time I get to Arizona yeah, it's all about you know Arizona's racial laws and all that chuck to you so funny he goes yo how many of the all here from Los Angeles yay how many ill hear from Santa Barbara yay how many allll hear from arizona dead quiet anyway.
43:56.54
Eric
Um, yeah. Ah, that's a good story. Ah I had a when I worked at the dot com which is where I met Carrie Murphy who we have we know in common um I worked in the in the music section of of this this app. This.
44:05.70
jeffwatson
That's my Jockey story.
44:25.13
jeffwatson
Water he.
44:45.74
Eric
Streaming app and um when I was actually it might have been when I so I went to see public enemy and I think 1988 there on the run there was this was the runs house tour with run dmc public enemy.
45:05.30
jeffwatson
Wow wow.
45:22.14
Eric
DJJazzyJeff and the fresh prince and Jj fad and for for some reason the merch booth was was selling just like all of these hip hop posters and I ended up buying an o cool j poster um and it's this poster where he's like grabbing his crotch.
45:27.65
jeffwatson
Whoa.
46:01.10
Eric
And it's like it's amazing. You know it's from the early 80 s and he's like this big buff dude with with no shirt on grabbing his crotch and um I had that poster framed in my office at http://the.com in 2001 and chuck d came and he was.
46:09.41
jeffwatson
Um, sure.
46:36.12
Eric
Doing ah like an office tour and a little sort of like psych up speech to the music department and he walked by and he saw my cool day poster and he stepped in he he looked at me looked at the poster and said ah and he walked right out. But.
46:41.27
jeffwatson
Um, yeah.
47:08.10
jeffwatson
Ah, completely off topic. But this also reminds me and I'll just keep moving on here after this, but um, my favorite ricocaseic story I have one Rico Caseic story from the cars and that is very simply I was living in Nashville at the times is five years ago maybe and I'm I'm walking down Broadway Avenue which is now turned into basically New Orleans it's it's a treasure they've locked off the streets. You know everyone's drinking and there's none of shitty bars now but it was boiling hot that day summertime I'm walking down the street and it's crowded and everyone's walking around.
47:49.70
Eric
Oh wow.
48:14.87
jeffwatson
Suddenly about fifty feet in front of me I see rickco kasick walking towards me in a giant you know, black suit ascot you know glass the ri you know the rickco kasick thing it's sort. It's so nice. It's so out of place that I he's walking right by me and all I could do was go. You're a okaysick.
48:21.28
Eric
Um.
48:33.14
Eric
Look at yeah pro like Rico Caning
48:54.30
jeffwatson
And he went yup and he kept on walking same thing same thing. Um, so so I do want to kind of just ask you you know some more stuff. Obviously 1 thing that I really really loved
49:11.38
Eric
That's amazing.
49:19.36
Eric
Um, sure.
49:25.65
jeffwatson
And this I highlighted this because you had mentioned in some bio somewhere when I love something I advocate for it. That's a big statement. What does that mean to you.
49:40.80
Eric
Um, um, you know that actually came out of ah me doing some sort of um. I Don't know I Ah the um, the word I can the word that's coming to mind and I think it's a fair word. Although it's I don't know um, was like kind of some Self-discovery work. Um, because I was trying to figure out how I had all these passions. So I've. You know I've done this writing I've written the children's books I've done writing about music and about other things. Um my day job as I mentioned has been in marketing and I worked in the music industry. But then I worked in other industries as well including just at ad agencies and then um. Kind of the None piece of it was political advocacy and Activism. Um, and I was trying to find a way to make it all make sense to be totally honest and and like like draw as you said draw a through line. Um, because you know I wanted. To kind of make each of those a more sort of official part of what I was doing and not just like I'm a guy with a job in marketing who also writes stuff and then gets fired up and gets you know political. I wanted to to much more like use my marketing expertise and my writing in the service of politics or in the service of you know, other things that I saw going on and I was like what pulled what? what ties all these together and that was the. Thing that I kind of landed on was again this idea of just like I think what I do best is find and you know be an advocate for or be a cheerleader for um, this stuff that I either find inspiring or find important. Um, So yeah I I feel like that is kind of at the core of of what drives my creativity and kind of where I want to where I want to be.
54:22.77
jeffwatson
And and that's a lovely thing about service work. Um, yeah, you know you know my my story a little bit and the way I got out and the way I continue to get out of all that nonsense is through service work.
54:39.62
Eric
Yeah.
54:51.81
jeffwatson
And there's this great quote from Gandhi that is now my my north star for the rest of my life and that is very simply in order to find yourself. You must first lose yourself in others and that is because the thing about the thing I love about service work is it requires humility. You have to be you inherently.
55:10.80
Eric
Um, yeah, yeah.
55:27.14
Eric
Um, yeah.
55:30.25
jeffwatson
Must be humble and you have to be an eternal student as well because you learn from service work clearly right? well.
55:44.88
Eric
You know I Yeah absolutely and just like I've spent a lot of time either freelancing or trying to be an entrepreneur or just like hustling and I've I've.
56:09.35
jeffwatson
Now.
56:22.84
Eric
Ben kind of close or had opportunities that have presented themselves where I've kind of like wanted to for lack of a better way to put it make shit happen and um. The only time that anything ever has happened is when I've just been really genuinely and really like humbly following the like the spark or the or the idea or whatever and it's not like you know scheming and calculating and. Thinking None steps ahead and figuring out how to position myself in order to you know achieve this thing or or get this like accolade or whatever. It's much more just like you're saying when I lose myself in something and I see it. In everybody when you lose yourself in something and just follow it for the love like that's when things happen I totally agree.
58:35.17
jeffwatson
There's ah, there's a phrase that I I kind of I guess genned up but it is that when you're walking in faith when you're walking into light when you're doing the right thing like spike Lee said there are no wrong choices. None
58:43.36
Eric
But.
59:09.97
jeffwatson
Because you're doing your best and that's such a powerful thing for me to know myself because you know we all get tripped up and am I doing the right thing and am I doing the wrong thing and as long as you can stay out of the results which is the key to life if you ask me and having not having any attachments to the outcome.
59:14.60
Eric
Yeah God That's good.
59:48.12
Eric
Yeah, that's good point.
59:46.75
jeffwatson
Then you're fine it so critical for me to to know and I know you would know that a couple more things to hit None of all I'm going to alienate probably all of the audience here but Eric and I are going to discuss this real quickly I will never forget.
01:00:11.52
Eric
I.
01:00:20.75
jeffwatson
And I think it was the very None time that I met you in Brian Pabbleittz's office I think it was where I had a fugazi shirt on and you called it out and I was like who the fuck is itpi guy I knew that that's.
01:00:33.18
Eric
Um, yeah, yeah I was like I was like my people I found my people.
01:00:59.11
jeffwatson
Honestly, that's why I like wearing weird t-shirts like I have one for sparks or um, yeah or I have one for liock like who does that but I you know I was wearing my libok shirt 1 time people don't know the hell it is but sometimes some guys are like my ba who are you and you know.
01:01:08.20
Eric
Um, ah Chris ah.
01:01:27.66
Eric
Um, yeah, the act that's amazing.
01:01:36.11
jeffwatson
Weird Hungarian band 80 s but um, so as always, you may know the following question coming up at the end here may or may not and that is the same question I asked it every god damn person on the show at the end which is simply as a creative.
01:02:01.22
Eric
Okay.
01:02:14.97
jeffwatson
When do you know that you're done.
01:02:18.50
Eric
Oh Yeah I forgot you asked this? Um, Ah I've heard it said in in writing Circles. You know when you're you know you're done when there's nothing left to Cut. Um and and I appreciate that because it gets to you know Brevity is the soul of creativity is that what it is um, wit. Thanks something I Apparently am.
01:03:08.77
jeffwatson
Money Yeah wit with yeah.
01:03:30.34
Eric
Short On. Um, but but like oh man Brevity is not my strong suit. Um, how do I know when I'm done so going back to what you were just saying which really resonated with me about like getting out of the results. Doing what you're doing because you love doing it and being your own. Ah well I'm my own worst critic but also being your own audience. Um the things that I've created in whatever like sphere I got.
01:04:23.45
jeffwatson
Boom.
01:04:45.88
Eric
Maybe this sounds so like gross and egotistical but like I I'm proud of them and I love to go back and revisit them and reread them or look at them or whatever. So um, ah when I just like you just know.
01:04:59.21
jeffwatson
My number and what.
01:05:23.40
Eric
Know that it's good. You know and you like trim all the fat. Ah and you ask yourself if each piece needs to be there and why it's there. Um, and if it's satisfying me then then I.
01:05:54.45
jeffwatson
You're good to come well and on that note, we're gonna we're gonna chop this up a little early because Eric Morrisse was late ladies and gentlemen wait Eric Morris is wait.
01:05:58.96
Eric
But about it. Yeah.
01:06:11.92
Eric
Yeah, Eric Morris is always late man I am so thank you so much for having me on. This is really an honor.
01:06:26.25
jeffwatson
Like I said buddy this is the only way I can get you on the phone. So um, so we're going to close out the show the way I always like to close it out which is I'm going to pretend to say goodbye you're going to pretend to say goodbye a lot of acting involved and then we're gonna. Don't code hang up and then you and I are gonna chat for a bit before this show's over deal here. We go here. We go. We're gonna do a little slate and then we're gonna count us in 3 2 and then here we go Eric Morrise thank you so much for joining me on the inspired minds podcast god I love you hi.
01:07:04.34
Eric
Um, cool. Yeah I Just you behind the curtain.
01:07:31.22
Eric
I Love you team one. Thank you so much.
01:07:35.25
jeffwatson
Really do what a good human being You are your turn sneak.
01:07:47.40
Eric
But oh man, wait. Thank you so much I am so just honored to be on here and I've just had such an amazing experience watching your transformation. You're a hell of a human being and I'm lucky to know you.
01:08:19.69
jeffwatson
Um, ah, buddy Fugazi life all right? I'm gonna pretend to hang up ready. This is very dramatic click.
01:08:29.66
Eric
Ah, well alright.
Eric
I can't believe I'm talking to Mr Inspired minds himself.
00:02.15
jeffwatson
Okay, we're gonna I'm gonna edit that out. Get try this again. 3 2 here we go and hello everyone welcome. To the inspired minds podcast the lovely and talented Mr Eric Morris Eric Morris say hello to the dazzled throng. What a wonderful wonderful guy. So Eric and I have known each other for quite some time you worked with Warner Brothers records at at Warner music group and.
00:41.54
Eric
Hello friends.
01:06.45
jeffwatson
I'll get into all that later but the None question that I always ask every guest on the show is Eric Morse what was the None thing that inspired you when you were a kid a song a book a movie a poem. Go.
01:32.28
Eric
Yeah, oh man I've been thinking about this because I am a listener to the show and I knew it was coming Um, and um, you know I'm I'm also a dad I've got four kids and so ah like a.
01:40.13
jeffwatson
Very much.
02:10.20
Eric
Observing them and and sort of growing up with them. Um I've noticed the different types of inspiration along the way and so um and the way kids are inspired and so I feel like I I'm not giving it a fair answer to say the None But. But that my earliest memory of something really kind of like holy Shit. What is this?? um was my brother brought home Prince's 1999 and he was playing it on his turntable.
03:14.61
jeffwatson
Ho ho.
03:28.12
Eric
Um, and ah you know for it. It's so interesting the way it kind of different things inspire or affect different people for him like he loved it because it was the hot pop record of the moment you know and for me I was just like wait a second. This guy's a man. I immediately you know had to know everything about Prince and listen to the whole record over and over again and basically kind of like adopted that record from him. Um, and you know that was the None that at least again, you know that I can recollect that was the None time. That I really felt like music is super powerful. It can change my mood. It can change my my ah outlook it can change my perspective. It can you know make me happy when I'm sad and um so the earliest moment that I remember feeling. Really truly inspired by you know something external was was prince.
05:30.27
jeffwatson
Yeah I mean he you know all roads lead to Rome kind of thing right? I will tell you a quick story that you don't know about me and that or you don't think you know and that is and it's a long story. How I got to this point but I ended up.
05:40.98
Eric
Um, yeah, yeah.
06:05.93
jeffwatson
Ah, playing keyboards for this band and to will turn and it was like a one off thing and like for some giant event place was packed and we're all backstage and um, one of the women was dating Katie Lang and the other was dating Ellen Degeneres so
06:42.20
Eric
Wow.
06:45.53
jeffwatson
We're all in this tiny little room. Um Ellen Degeneres was just annoying and like jumping on a couch which I thought was interesting given the Com Cruise thing later. Um, but Katie all of a sudden. Oh and Wendy Melvoye from the from the revolution was there too in this tiny little room.
07:05.58
Eric
Yeah, yeah. Ah.
07:20.45
jeffwatson
And Katie says does anybody know a purple rain and Wendy kind of rolled her eyes and started playing the intro on her little guitar and and then she turned to us and she says do you guys know it? Yeah, she says why don't we do an encore and I'll sing it and Wendy will play and said okay and lo and behold.
07:31.82
Eric
That.
07:54.40
Eric
Whoa Oh my? ah.
08:00.21
jeffwatson
Right? And you don't know the sound of God until you're listening to her saying purple rain. Yeah and at one point I was standing on the side of the stage playing and she walks over to me and like croons like towards me in the like slicks away like she does So that's my print story with that. Actually.
08:08.40
Eric
Holy shit. Yeah.
08:35.14
Eric
Ah, yeah.
08:39.43
jeffwatson
Having a prince story. So so so okay, so the reason I like asking this question is it always provides a through line especially for creatives to where they are now so Prince opened you up in terms of the musicality and in terms of I would assume the passion correct.
08:59.86
Eric
Um, yeah, um, oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, well, it's interesting because um I I.
09:17.99
jeffwatson
You want to talk about that a bit more.
09:39.30
Eric
You know I played music all the week in my childhood I played in bands when I was in my twenty s I was a deejay for almost ten years but I would not call myself a musician. Um, but then you know I worked in the music industry with you and other places for about 10 years um my day job is marketing and I worked in marketing in the music industry and I started to kind of understand my relationship to music and to art and to ah a lot of you know those kind of like. Classic outward manifestations of of creativity as um, an enthusiast or as ah, an advocate I've got a website right now that says Erick Morris is an advocate because because that's what I've been trying to identify is the is the throughline. Um, and ah I came to realize that all of my roles as and as a grownup whether I was a writer or whether I was in marketing or whether I was actually creating things musically and otherwise was really just to kind of amplify. Stuff that I saw out there that turned me on um and kind of with this with this sort of ethos of like how come everybody doesn't love this as much as I do so. So yeah, it's it's been really interesting. You know in the 90 s I lived in. Olympia which was sort of a punk town at the time and um was very much a punktown in time. Um, and I really kind of like just was enthralled with all of the all of the groundbreaking music that was happening. Um, that was at the very beginning of the riot girl movement and a lot of other sort of punk movements and um, you know like I was a tall straight white dude from the midwest I wasn't I didn't necessarily have ah a place in in creating the music. But.
13:23.31
jeffwatson
Um, sure.
14:00.20
Eric
Um I got to you know, help out by designing record labels and by going on tour and and so I became really oddly fulfilled by my role as a cheerleader. Um, and and yeah.
14:23.61
jeffwatson
Yeah.
14:34.76
Eric
I'm pretty happy with that role to be honest.
14:39.23
jeffwatson
It's a great role. You know like and you know this I'm starting to starting to do some therapy as a young you know training therapist and I always tell my clients that you know a lot of times I'm gonna be your purchase meredith to your rocky right? like I'm gonna be I'm your corner man I'm gonna.
14:53.68
Eric
Um, yeah.
15:05.82
Eric
Um, nice pick one? Yeah yeah.
15:13.67
jeffwatson
Spray water on you and get out there and rock and and it's that cheerleader idea of having pompoms or whatever that looks like you know I love that aspect of it.
15:28.94
Eric
Yeah, yeah, well, it's funny I don't know if your work has been and frankly I don't even know if this is legit or if it's just like pop psychology but the whole Enneagram thing. Um I did my Enneagram recently and it turned you know I got the results back in there like. Your type is enthusiasts and I was like perfect. That's exactly what I am um, yeah I'm I'm all about like you know finding and championing other people who are doing cool shit and and it feels like like my creativity along the way.
16:26.39
jeffwatson
Sure.
16:43.28
Eric
Either again, either my writing or my design or whatever I've been working on um has felt creative in this almost like um I don't want to say osmosis but like like. Sort of a symbiotic kind of relationship where I've been able to be creative in the service of other creatives which is again like a really satisfying role.
17:38.93
jeffwatson
Sure yeah, and you know that was my role essentially at Warner Brothers I was you know it's service work that's kind of how I looked at it I mean I didn't want to do service for you know, trapped or any of those shitty mans but I did um yeah little editorializing there. Um.
17:49.80
Eric
Um, yeah, yeah.
18:09.24
Eric
Ah, yeah stuff we couldn't say we're on the clock that was stuff that we we weren't allowed to say when we were on the clock.
18:18.21
jeffwatson
But here's what I want to ask I'm sorry. No I can say that actually I did quite frankly, but regardless the thing I like about these about doing these interviews is they're They're mostly polymaths like yourself and because there's this thing about creativity that it doesn't necessarily have to be confined. In fact, it rarely is confined.
18:49.92
Eric
Oh was it.
19:08.30
jeffwatson
To 1 lane right? be because you have to get it out. You know there's that feeling of creativity and with the artists that I've interviewed you know, ah various kinds obviously but they all have the same thing which is essentially I just have to get it out I have to and there's that.
19:13.36
Eric
Um, that's a great point. Yeah.
19:44.16
Eric
Um, yeah.
19:47.93
jeffwatson
There's that drive almost as a survivalist technique and and and that's something I see in you. So um, you know you've done you know trampoline house which I want to get into it a None Um, you've done your podcasts I know with Carrie Murphy actually
19:54.66
Eric
Totally Yeah yeah I get that.
20:22.24
Eric
Um, oh yeah.
20:25.61
jeffwatson
Animal crackers and the name and them. Um, fun fact I don't listen to podcasts have them listen to 1 Why no is all on the fly. Um well I look at it like a radio show like like the late night radio shows on am m dial.
20:37.60
Eric
Really, you sure are good at it.
21:00.93
jeffwatson
Like art bell and these weird voices in the night coming in the desert you know like theater of the mind that's kind of what I'm trying to do I guess making this shit up as we go along since 1969 um so I really want to so first of all.
21:03.72
Eric
Waha. Yeah, yeah, that's very much we buy.
21:38.35
jeffwatson
Tell me about trampoline house because that was pretty early on when it comes to that stuff now.
21:49.14
Eric
Yeah, um, yeah, it's actually a really It's actually a perfect example of what I was saying before so I was living in Olympia Washington I was working at this bar. Um, and my coworkers were among other people Kathleen Hannah of Bikini kill. Couple members of unwound and like a kill rock stars. Movement. Um, and I was just kind of like surrounded by these people making really cool shit and I was like you know, like again kind of where do I fit in here. What can I um.
22:23.11
jeffwatson
Um, one.
23:04.60
Eric
what can I contribute and what I really I had this fantasy of creating like an actual beautiful glossy hard copy hard copy magazine that just exposed the world to this cool art that I saw going on and music that I was listening to. And writers who I knew um and it was just sort of a pipe dream for a long time until I moved from Olympia to Seattle which felt like the big city as time. Um, and what was right at sort of the beginning of http://the.comboom and um I got a job at Http://a.com and then the job. Dot com bust happened and so they shut down our whole department I got laid off and that was that moment where I was like had nothing but time and I was like you know, maybe I'll pursue this this magazine idea. Um, but of course I didn't have the resources to create a magazine. All I could really do is build a website so um so I built this website and it was called trampoline house because the house I grew up in had a trampoline in the background in the backyard and all the neighborhood kids would come and and like congregate on the trampoline and it was a place where you know. Like cool stuff happened and and people would share their ideas and we would just sort of like hang out late into the night staring the start stars and talking and um so trampoline house was art music and literature and I built the website. wrote all the kind at the beginning I wrote all the content until I was able to bring people on and um it was just like this amazing sort of reverie of like diving into everything that I thought was cool. And sort of making connections from there like you know, an interview a band and I would say your album cover art is really cool. Can you tell me who designed it and then they would make that connection and it would just like you know, kind of like go deeper and deeper down a pre- Youtube rabbit hole. Um.
27:12.99
jeffwatson
Yeah.
27:21.20
Eric
And then I got to write about it all and put it up on this website. Um, and it was really just like None of those things where you know people say what would you do if you if money was no object and money was an object but what would you do? if you could do anything and that was what I wanted to be doing. Um. And so that was what oh None None in 2000 at the beginning of oh four March of ah 4 um trampoline house was named best new online magazine by south by southwest. Um.
28:27.51
jeffwatson
Whoa like.
28:32.18
Eric
And so I went you know I flew to Austin and like collected an award and I was like this is my moment I'm making it big and I moved to New York city and I was like you know New York City here um um like the the.
28:48.10
jeffwatson
10
29:03.56
Eric
Line in Stevie. Wonder's song where the guy gets off the bus and he says skyscrapers and everything I was laughed at all um and making it big did not happen but it was it was like that entire experience was driven by just like being. Fortunate enough to to be kind of immersed in these. Um this community where other people were doing cool stuff and I was just like somebody has to be talking about this. So yeah.
30:05.35
jeffwatson
Right? Sorry Boom one second.
30:26.15
jeffwatson
Sorry about that. Um, so then you and I don't know what the timeline is between that and my the next question but my god so you I know you wrote 2 amazing children's books what is punk.
30:41.92
Eric
Um, how we get older.
31:05.30
jeffwatson
And what is hip hop and I know that they were all so beautifully designed and created ah visually at least in claimmation form and I want to know why and what did you get out of that.
31:21.78
Eric
Yeah, yeah.
31:32.48
Eric
Um, ah oh man, what I got out of it. That's a long there's a long list ah it why again was just I I had a newborn I think a six month old and you know he was reading all these dumb books.
32:04.81
jeffwatson
10
32:11.50
Eric
They were they were great books but um they weren't necessarily relevant to the lifestyle I was interested in at the time. Um, and ah again I just like I was a new dad and I wanted to share with my kid stuff that I loved. Um. And I had this sort of at the time also had you know like Avril Levine was big and and there was a lot of kind of people out there who mainstream publications described as punk and I was sort of like. My kid is going to grow up in a world where punk is like a plaid miniskirrted hot topic and not know what punk is and um and so you know I was driven by this really sort of paternal desire to again like share what I loved with my kid. And also um, kind of like mansplain it I some point that I but but so so I wrote what is punk in like Dr Susian rhyming couplets. Um and it was. It's it's a history of the beginnings of the Punk Rock movement it goes
34:09.75
jeffwatson
Ha Ha ha.
34:41.40
Eric
You know from band to band and it touches on almost all the big ones. Um, and ah it was important to me that it be kind of cutesy and rhymy so that younger kids or even toddlers could could get it but also that it touch on the things that we as parents. You know, loved so much and and um I wanted to communicate what a true revolution. It was to hear these bands for the none time. Um and how you know if you hadn't the none time you hear a sex pistol song like it'll blow your mind. Um, and that's not so much the case anymore because sex pistols are you know, embedded in everything that you know kids hear and and see um but it was also important you know the visual piece of picture books is obviously super important. You might say. The most important part and I wanted to communicate the like the genuine authentic energy of it all and so I was just again I went back to my trampoline house like days of just. Diving into artists and illustrators around the country who were who were doing work that I thought would be accessible to kids but also authentic and I stumbled on this blog that was called hey ho. Let's dough and it was. Was this random girl in l a who was recreating photos of the ramons in Plato and I was like oh my god like the you know the clouds parted angels sang and it was It was so amazing. So um.
37:55.75
jeffwatson
Wow.
38:09.23
jeffwatson
Ah, her.
38:22.64
Eric
Her name's Annie Yi she lives in l a she's amazing. She's an artist and a photographer and she was just like doing this. You know it was that was the days that was the the life stage of the internet where people were just like being. Weird and cool because they wanted like because they loved it and they would put stuff up on the internet and just like you would find it and make these connections and so she's been ah, an amazing collaborator in her work like you said her work is just amazing.
39:38.49
jeffwatson
Mind-blowing.
39:41.20
Eric
Um, yeah, mind blowing and we did what is punk together and then we did what is hip hop and um, what is hip hop like you know to be honest when I was 12 1314 I was more into and influenced by hip hop than than punk and so I knew pretty. Early on that I wanted to also tell the story of hip hop and I started just imagining what you know Biggie Smalls would look like in clay and um, you know like all of these all of these um you know.
40:32.87
jeffwatson
Um.
40:51.28
Eric
Classic pioneers just like starting to see them through Annie's eyes was a really great fun experience. Um, and her work. Please oh yeah, oh yeah it
40:53.71
jeffwatson
Ah, it's not a curiosity I'm going to I'm going to stop you for 1 heartbeat out of curiosity. You did you throw Chuck d and public enemy in there. Ah, but but um and I bring this up for 1 specific reason I saw literally the greatest show I think I've ever seen.
41:29.00
Eric
Yeah.
41:33.61
jeffwatson
Was a public enemy in Santa Barbara at like some maybe 500 seat well seat maybe a 300 capacity room and this is on a fear but black fear to black planet tour so they were already pretty big to begin with and the cool thing I lived I lived in Santa Barbara going to school there and the cool thing was big bands.
41:49.26
Eric
Oh my god.
42:03.30
Eric
Aha.
42:11.65
jeffwatson
Would go from San Francisco to play like you know 2000 places and just to get a date in down to l a they play at this tiny little place I saw pantera I saw but so many pans but public enemy specifically 300 kids just bouncing around but the best thing about it was it was such an old club that the wood the stage was wooden.
42:24.56
Eric
Ah, you not know me.
42:49.30
Eric
Um, oh my God ah.
42:50.15
jeffwatson
So every time this s w ones would like step. The record would skip the records would skip so Chuck actually made the s one w's leave just to get the sound right? and 1 last thing by the way just one last thing because I know you know this.
43:13.58
Eric
Ah, that's amazing. Oh man. Yeah, ah sure. Yeah.
43:25.51
jeffwatson
You know that song by that time I get to Arizona yeah, it's all about you know Arizona's racial laws and all that chuck to you so funny he goes yo how many of the all here from Los Angeles yay how many ill hear from Santa Barbara yay how many allll hear from arizona dead quiet anyway.
43:56.54
Eric
Um, yeah. Ah, that's a good story. Ah I had a when I worked at the dot com which is where I met Carrie Murphy who we have we know in common um I worked in the in the music section of of this this app. This.
44:05.70
jeffwatson
That's my Jockey story.
44:25.13
jeffwatson
Water he.
44:45.74
Eric
Streaming app and um when I was actually it might have been when I so I went to see public enemy and I think 1988 there on the run there was this was the runs house tour with run dmc public enemy.
45:05.30
jeffwatson
Wow wow.
45:22.14
Eric
DJJazzyJeff and the fresh prince and Jj fad and for for some reason the merch booth was was selling just like all of these hip hop posters and I ended up buying an o cool j poster um and it's this poster where he's like grabbing his crotch.
45:27.65
jeffwatson
Whoa.
46:01.10
Eric
And it's like it's amazing. You know it's from the early 80 s and he's like this big buff dude with with no shirt on grabbing his crotch and um I had that poster framed in my office at http://the.com in 2001 and chuck d came and he was.
46:09.41
jeffwatson
Um, sure.
46:36.12
Eric
Doing ah like an office tour and a little sort of like psych up speech to the music department and he walked by and he saw my cool day poster and he stepped in he he looked at me looked at the poster and said ah and he walked right out. But.
46:41.27
jeffwatson
Um, yeah.
47:08.10
jeffwatson
Ah, completely off topic. But this also reminds me and I'll just keep moving on here after this, but um, my favorite ricocaseic story I have one Rico Caseic story from the cars and that is very simply I was living in Nashville at the times is five years ago maybe and I'm I'm walking down Broadway Avenue which is now turned into basically New Orleans it's it's a treasure they've locked off the streets. You know everyone's drinking and there's none of shitty bars now but it was boiling hot that day summertime I'm walking down the street and it's crowded and everyone's walking around.
47:49.70
Eric
Oh wow.
48:14.87
jeffwatson
Suddenly about fifty feet in front of me I see rickco kasick walking towards me in a giant you know, black suit ascot you know glass the ri you know the rickco kasick thing it's sort. It's so nice. It's so out of place that I he's walking right by me and all I could do was go. You're a okaysick.
48:21.28
Eric
Um.
48:33.14
Eric
Look at yeah pro like Rico Caning
48:54.30
jeffwatson
And he went yup and he kept on walking same thing same thing. Um, so so I do want to kind of just ask you you know some more stuff. Obviously 1 thing that I really really loved
49:11.38
Eric
That's amazing.
49:19.36
Eric
Um, sure.
49:25.65
jeffwatson
And this I highlighted this because you had mentioned in some bio somewhere when I love something I advocate for it. That's a big statement. What does that mean to you.
49:40.80
Eric
Um, um, you know that actually came out of ah me doing some sort of um. I Don't know I Ah the um, the word I can the word that's coming to mind and I think it's a fair word. Although it's I don't know um, was like kind of some Self-discovery work. Um, because I was trying to figure out how I had all these passions. So I've. You know I've done this writing I've written the children's books I've done writing about music and about other things. Um my day job as I mentioned has been in marketing and I worked in the music industry. But then I worked in other industries as well including just at ad agencies and then um. Kind of the None piece of it was political advocacy and Activism. Um, and I was trying to find a way to make it all make sense to be totally honest and and like like draw as you said draw a through line. Um, because you know I wanted. To kind of make each of those a more sort of official part of what I was doing and not just like I'm a guy with a job in marketing who also writes stuff and then gets fired up and gets you know political. I wanted to to much more like use my marketing expertise and my writing in the service of politics or in the service of you know, other things that I saw going on and I was like what pulled what? what ties all these together and that was the. Thing that I kind of landed on was again this idea of just like I think what I do best is find and you know be an advocate for or be a cheerleader for um, this stuff that I either find inspiring or find important. Um, So yeah I I feel like that is kind of at the core of of what drives my creativity and kind of where I want to where I want to be.
54:22.77
jeffwatson
And and that's a lovely thing about service work. Um, yeah, you know you know my my story a little bit and the way I got out and the way I continue to get out of all that nonsense is through service work.
54:39.62
Eric
Yeah.
54:51.81
jeffwatson
And there's this great quote from Gandhi that is now my my north star for the rest of my life and that is very simply in order to find yourself. You must first lose yourself in others and that is because the thing about the thing I love about service work is it requires humility. You have to be you inherently.
55:10.80
Eric
Um, yeah, yeah.
55:27.14
Eric
Um, yeah.
55:30.25
jeffwatson
Must be humble and you have to be an eternal student as well because you learn from service work clearly right? well.
55:44.88
Eric
You know I Yeah absolutely and just like I've spent a lot of time either freelancing or trying to be an entrepreneur or just like hustling and I've I've.
56:09.35
jeffwatson
Now.
56:22.84
Eric
Ben kind of close or had opportunities that have presented themselves where I've kind of like wanted to for lack of a better way to put it make shit happen and um. The only time that anything ever has happened is when I've just been really genuinely and really like humbly following the like the spark or the or the idea or whatever and it's not like you know scheming and calculating and. Thinking None steps ahead and figuring out how to position myself in order to you know achieve this thing or or get this like accolade or whatever. It's much more just like you're saying when I lose myself in something and I see it. In everybody when you lose yourself in something and just follow it for the love like that's when things happen I totally agree.
58:35.17
jeffwatson
There's ah, there's a phrase that I I kind of I guess genned up but it is that when you're walking in faith when you're walking into light when you're doing the right thing like spike Lee said there are no wrong choices. None
58:43.36
Eric
But.
59:09.97
jeffwatson
Because you're doing your best and that's such a powerful thing for me to know myself because you know we all get tripped up and am I doing the right thing and am I doing the wrong thing and as long as you can stay out of the results which is the key to life if you ask me and having not having any attachments to the outcome.
59:14.60
Eric
Yeah God That's good.
59:48.12
Eric
Yeah, that's good point.
59:46.75
jeffwatson
Then you're fine it so critical for me to to know and I know you would know that a couple more things to hit None of all I'm going to alienate probably all of the audience here but Eric and I are going to discuss this real quickly I will never forget.
01:00:11.52
Eric
I.
01:00:20.75
jeffwatson
And I think it was the very None time that I met you in Brian Pabbleittz's office I think it was where I had a fugazi shirt on and you called it out and I was like who the fuck is itpi guy I knew that that's.
01:00:33.18
Eric
Um, yeah, yeah I was like I was like my people I found my people.
01:00:59.11
jeffwatson
Honestly, that's why I like wearing weird t-shirts like I have one for sparks or um, yeah or I have one for liock like who does that but I you know I was wearing my libok shirt 1 time people don't know the hell it is but sometimes some guys are like my ba who are you and you know.
01:01:08.20
Eric
Um, ah Chris ah.
01:01:27.66
Eric
Um, yeah, the act that's amazing.
01:01:36.11
jeffwatson
Weird Hungarian band 80 s but um, so as always, you may know the following question coming up at the end here may or may not and that is the same question I asked it every god damn person on the show at the end which is simply as a creative.
01:02:01.22
Eric
Okay.
01:02:14.97
jeffwatson
When do you know that you're done.
01:02:18.50
Eric
Oh Yeah I forgot you asked this? Um, Ah I've heard it said in in writing Circles. You know when you're you know you're done when there's nothing left to Cut. Um and and I appreciate that because it gets to you know Brevity is the soul of creativity is that what it is um, wit. Thanks something I Apparently am.
01:03:08.77
jeffwatson
Money Yeah wit with yeah.
01:03:30.34
Eric
Short On. Um, but but like oh man Brevity is not my strong suit. Um, how do I know when I'm done so going back to what you were just saying which really resonated with me about like getting out of the results. Doing what you're doing because you love doing it and being your own. Ah well I'm my own worst critic but also being your own audience. Um the things that I've created in whatever like sphere I got.
01:04:23.45
jeffwatson
Boom.
01:04:45.88
Eric
Maybe this sounds so like gross and egotistical but like I I'm proud of them and I love to go back and revisit them and reread them or look at them or whatever. So um, ah when I just like you just know.
01:04:59.21
jeffwatson
My number and what.
01:05:23.40
Eric
Know that it's good. You know and you like trim all the fat. Ah and you ask yourself if each piece needs to be there and why it's there. Um, and if it's satisfying me then then I.
01:05:54.45
jeffwatson
You're good to come well and on that note, we're gonna we're gonna chop this up a little early because Eric Morrisse was late ladies and gentlemen wait Eric Morris is wait.
01:05:58.96
Eric
But about it. Yeah.
01:06:11.92
Eric
Yeah, Eric Morris is always late man I am so thank you so much for having me on. This is really an honor.
01:06:26.25
jeffwatson
Like I said buddy this is the only way I can get you on the phone. So um, so we're going to close out the show the way I always like to close it out which is I'm going to pretend to say goodbye you're going to pretend to say goodbye a lot of acting involved and then we're gonna. Don't code hang up and then you and I are gonna chat for a bit before this show's over deal here. We go here. We go. We're gonna do a little slate and then we're gonna count us in 3 2 and then here we go Eric Morrise thank you so much for joining me on the inspired minds podcast god I love you hi.
01:07:04.34
Eric
Um, cool. Yeah I Just you behind the curtain.
01:07:31.22
Eric
I Love you team one. Thank you so much.
01:07:35.25
jeffwatson
Really do what a good human being You are your turn sneak.
01:07:47.40
Eric
But oh man, wait. Thank you so much I am so just honored to be on here and I've just had such an amazing experience watching your transformation. You're a hell of a human being and I'm lucky to know you.
01:08:19.69
jeffwatson
Um, ah, buddy Fugazi life all right? I'm gonna pretend to hang up ready. This is very dramatic click.
01:08:29.66
Eric
Ah, well alright.
