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KBLA Talk fifteen eighty. Good morning and God bless I'm
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Dominique de bring to the show is called First Things
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First and my very first thing today and every day,
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given thanksgiving, praises and asking four blessings from God, asking
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for the blessings of the ancestors and the elders. And
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let's go. It is a Talking Point Tuesday, Talking Points anyone.
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I would love to hear from you, as always every
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day when I'm on the air, the phone lines are
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open at nine hundred eighty two at eight hundred nine
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two oh fifteen eighty. And look, this is how we
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do the show on a Talking Point Tuesday. On our
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one we look local, what's happening on the left coast.
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Our two we go national, international and beyond. And in
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the third hour we do a deep dive with a
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hot topic or a person of interest. And I'm excited
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because today Alo Black will be joining me in the studio.
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He's an artist and an activist and artivist as they say,
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and just a great musician, interesting, very fascinating person, so
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looking forward to that. He's also the author of our
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reparations theme song I Need a Dala, and looking forward
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to that. Conversation Truly will be joined in hour two
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by doctor Malina Abdullah of Black Lives Matter Grassroots, fresh
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off her rather interesting actually quite fascinating interview with pastor
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Jamal Bryant on that podcast and some repercussions fallout good
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things happening from that. She's also the host of Black
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Lives Matter LA. This is not a drill Saturday mornings
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on this show from eight to ten, but we'll be
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talking about everything in the headlines and you're invited to
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join in and chop it up with us. I want
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to think James Farr of The Conversation Live Altadina Rising
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for filling in with me on yesterday as I did
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a little little nice day off, of much needed day off.
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I'm not sure what discussion happened. I got some DMS.
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People thought I was in an emergency, you know, all
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as well, just living my best life a little bit
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around here. Got to go see the show in your hometown,
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miles of Las Vegas. Got to go see Kendrick Lamar
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and Sissa and it was It was quite a show.
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It looked like the LA takeover out there.
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Though.
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A bunch of LA people I've seen posting about being
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out there.
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Yeah. Well, and then there's a lot of LA people
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that live in Vegas. I'm sure you've encountered that because
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you're from there.
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All right, Yeah, for sure. A lot of born and
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raised shirts out there.
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Yeah, I did see a lot of that. It was
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really different from the last show that I saw. The
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last Kendrick Lamar show that I saw was well, I
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guess because Sissa. You know, I kind of feel a
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way about saying a lot because I know people don't
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want spoilers if they're still planning to go somewhere.
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Was it just him answers.
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Yeah, it was just him and Sissa, and it was
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like three hours long. It was a long show. I
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hadn't been to the Allegiance Stadium before in Las Vegas,
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and I think coming from LA were very spoiled because
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we're used to big shows and big crowds and there's
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a level of expertise about getting people in and out
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and the crowd flows and just the stages and the
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way everything's set up. But I enjoyed it.
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It was good. Had you got to enjoy the city.
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You didn't burn up and milt out there.
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Oh my gosh, it was one hundred and thirteen degrees
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when we landed, and that's normal for y'all.
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You said last week we're gonna have a heat wave
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this weekend, and you know, don't die an something like
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you're dragging a dumbiny. It's a hunting twelve in Vegas
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right now.
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So I didn't. I don't even understand that kind of heat.
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Luckily it was. It's not humid, so that makes it
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where you can hand. But yeah, and you're right. There
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was a lot of la a lot, a lot, a
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lot of Latinos in the crowd too, for sure. He
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I mean, you know, not that that's so unusual on
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the West coast, but clearly he has cultivated quiet Kendrick
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and you know, people singing every single word, like every
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word to every song. Clearly he's cultivated a very diverse crowd.
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Any special guests pop up.
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Doja Cat came out for a second. She's not one
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of my faves, but you know she was doing her
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Doja Cat thing with Siza. Yeah, so lots of sets
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and you know, special effects, fire and you know all
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that stuff. I guess we kind of expect that now
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from a stadium style show.
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Did you get to a hit the city afterwards.
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Yeah, a little bit, A little bit. Yeah, you know,
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it's Las Vegas. You can't just like go there and sleep.
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It was Yeah, we had a we had a fun time.
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But man, Las Vegas is like La. It's just the
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development is moving so fast. And of course I wonder
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about the the locals, you know, and the gentrification because
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just it seems like it's built up so much and
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everyone's moving there. Well, kind of like Arizona for a while,
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Texas the same thing. People moving looking for cheaper, cheaper sunshine,
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cheaper living. That's why I guess I find so many
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Angelinos there that I just wonder, Well, you're from there,
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So I mean, with all these shiny new buildings and stuff,
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are the Are the locals getting squeezed and pushed out?
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Are the prices going up?
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Like price are definitely going up. It's not quite La
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prices yet, but it's right there. I keep telling everybody
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who keeps saying they want to move to Vegas, we
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don't have no damn water in Vegas. There's a super
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super drought, super drought, that's the super desert in Vegas.
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There's no water there. Why are we still building these
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huge buildings like we're gonna have space and water for it.
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That's not gonna work. So I know we're making room
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right there on the strip on the Caddy corner to
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the Allegiance Stadium for the the A's are gonna be
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moving there in the year or two.
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Yeah, I heard, Well, you know, I mean we're would.
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Have three stadiums in one. You know, I mean we're
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not it's not Englewood, it's not LA it's not built
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for that type of stuff. So we're gonna have the
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MGM Grand, the Allegiant Stadium, the the T Mobile Arena,
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and the A's Arena all in one like square mile
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of blocks, so with no parking, yeah, and no water.
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So and yeah, in a city that's not quite I
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would say yes, used to that level of insanity because
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you already have tons of people, the tourists right on
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the strip and now you've got a concert, just a
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lot going on. But I enjoyed it, and you know,
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like usually I met a bunch of LA people who
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had moved there and were celebrating how inexpensive it is
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and how they don't have to pay as many taxes
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and all this. But you know, everything's a trade off.
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I'll be here in LA. Let's go to Carl. I
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don't have a born and raised shirt because I was
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born in New York. But I like LA, and you know,
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I know it's expensive. I know it's hard, but I'm
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teams stay and fight. Carl from LA, good morning.
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Hey, good morning. Well hey, if you've got a couple
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of pensions and social Security venters, check on your home.
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I guess said this is the place to be.
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Well, I don't have all that, Carl. What are you
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talking about a couple of pensions? Yeah for sure.
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Yeah, Well that's what you need to survive on here.
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I mean, you know here in Los Angeles, right, or.
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You've got to be rich, you know, rich or have
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three jobs, which a lot of people do here.
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Yeah, Hey, Dominique, maybe you could get the doctor horn
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on the horn and have him describe what's going on
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down there in Haiti with the Blackwater. Uh they hired
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Blackwater down there to uh calm down the games down there.
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I mean a privately owned company, military company. Uh, you know,
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trying to calm down the situation down there. I don't see.
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That ain't fair to me, Hey, but I see, I see.
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We got over here to mayor in Tulsa. Uh, he
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came through with the people to help him out with
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a start off to revise the city down there. No
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cash cop station, but one hundred and I think it's
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one hundred and five million dollars they got in a
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trust that's going to be loathed out and hand it
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out in certain ways to improve the city down there
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for the massacre that went down.
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Yeah, the city's first black mayor. But you know, well,
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we'll explore some of that stuff with doctor Molina Abdullah
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when she comes in. Remember she's also a political scientist
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and a professor. But of course we'd like to have
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doctor Horn, doctor Jerrel Horne you're talking about on all
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the time. Unfortunately, or fortunately, he has other jobs, so
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I can't just order him up every day. We can't
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get a neural link neural just tap into his brain,
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that'd be great. But yeah, I'm sure we have him
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coming up soon and I'll be interested to hear what
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he has to say about that. I think it's going
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to be. His name is Monronick, the first black mayor
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of the city of Tulsa. And it's the project that
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you're referring to is called Road to Repair it's meant
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to deal it's like reparations, it's meant to deal with
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the aftermath of the Greenwood massacre, Greenwood attack on the
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black community there. And you're right, it's a private charitable trust.
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They want to raise one hundred and five million, partly
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from private contributions and some public funding may be possible
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property transfers. The idea is to have all that in
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place by next year, on the anniversary of the attack.
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But the thing that I'm concerned about is this Mayor
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Monroe Nichols coming on strong with reparations like this is
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what is in store for him. I mean, we look
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on at the attack on black mayors that's already happening, right,
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mayors that haven't made nearly as bold of steps as that.
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And I'm talking about the mayor of Chicago, the mayor
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of New York, who's a problem. But still, you know,
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he's a i'd say an independent, one of those independence
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that's really a Republican. But still you look at the
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mayor of Jacksonville, my own brother, the mayor of Newark
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being arrested by Ice, and then of course the mayor
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of Los Angeles, Karen Bass, being constantly under attack. For really,
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if you break it down and look at it very little,
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it just makes me wonder what this mayor has in
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store for him, since he's starting off with this huge
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reparations package as that city's first black mayor, and against
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the backdrop of the repeated rejection of any kind of
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restitution or reparation for those green would survivors right by
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the States Supreme Court, by the city itself. So far
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they've got they've received nothing other than private contributions. So
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while I commend the boldness of this plan, I'm wondering
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if it will be able to be fully executed and
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what the backlash will be. I mean, even if you
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look at federally, what the Republican administration on the national level,
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what the Trump administration is leveling at California attack after attack.
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If you look at are you know, Greening policies, the
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attacks on trans athletes, budgets for schools, trying to control
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the schools and their agendas, it just makes me wonder
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what this mayor may have. And I'm not saying you
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shouldn't have done it, by the way, Don't get me wrong,
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I'm glad that he did. But I'm just wondering what
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he may have unlashed upon himself and the city of
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Tulsa with this maga moment that we are in. Eight
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hundred nine to fifteen eighty. That's the number to call
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if you've got something to say. That's what Carl did,
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continuing the conversation only right here on KBLA Talk fifteen eighty.
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It is a talking point Tuesday, and when we come
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to the conversation about reparations, which has been rather robusts
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on my social media these days, and I invite you
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guys to tap in. It's KBLA fifteen eighty is our
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social media address. You can find me at DEPRIMA Radio,
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dp RIMA and then radio. When it comes to reparations,
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the biggest talking point that I always hear is we
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cannot afford it. We just don't have the money. So
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we find money for everything else, massive tax cuts for
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the rich, wars that seem to drag on forever for
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decades that are not even the expenditure is not even
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approved by our Congress. But yet we don't have money
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for reparations. That's one of the talking points. And when
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you look at the Tulsa model, what they're doing here
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what they're setting out to do. They're going to private sources.
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Any city funding or city land use would have to
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be approved by the city council. So it may not
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happen because those council people are thinking about getting re elected,
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and just like Governor Newsom with his presidential aspirations, they
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are considering what a track record of having approved money
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or land to go to reparations, what it would do
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to their careers. That said, this model of you know,
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creating a fund using private sources is one way to
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work around that opposition from some members of the public.
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The courts have shown that most white people do not
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support reparations. If you look at my Instagram page, you
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will see the same. The people weighing in who are
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happy that the of the idea that black people don't
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need her or deserve her are not warranted reparations due
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to the debt that is owed to us are mostly
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people you would classify as white. So there is a
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divide there, and I think this is one way of
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addressing it is by mostly dealing with individual private dollars. However,
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I will say, because Carl had mentioned that there was
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no cash payment, no cash payments to the living descendants,
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not just the descendants, but the actual victims. There's a
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couple that are still alive that are, you know, centenarians
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over one hundred years old, who haven't gotten any other
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than private donations, haven't gotten any redress. They were rejected
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by the Oklahoma Supreme Court in their lawsuit. But okay,
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it could still happen. It could still happen. The last
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two survivors who were actually there are one hundred and
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ten and one hundred and eleven years old, so one
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wonders if it would happen quickly enough, but it could happen.
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If the board of trustees for that city trust were
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to vote to give them some kind of restitution, it
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could actually happen. Seems like a long shot, but it
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could happen. Those living survivors were there at the announcement Sunday,
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And although it's mostly that money is mostly meant to
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restore the Greenwood area and try to build it up
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to what it could of or would have been had
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it not been attacked, there could possibly be some payouts
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to those specific survivors and or their descendants. Of course,
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we're talking about the attack in nineteen twenty one and
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that federal report which came out just before Joe Biden
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left office. They squeaked that one out of the Justice
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Department before it flipped over to the current administration. That
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federal report was very clear and specific in saying that
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the attack on Greenwood was an attack what they're going
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to what they called a coordinated military style attack, because
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remember there was bombing from the air and police law
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enforcement officials backing up and reinforcing those citizens who were
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attacking black homeowners and business owners. The Justice Department report
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was clear that this was not just like a riot
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where a mob goes crazy and out of jealousy, anger
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and racism burns down this neighborhood. It was well planned
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and executed with the support of military and law enforcement.
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And so they're looking at what the neighborhood could have been,
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what it should have been, and what justice looks like.
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Lessie Benenfield Randall and Viola Ford Fletcher. Those are the
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two the one hundred and ten and one hundred eleven
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year old. Only Miss Randall U was at Sunday's announcement
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with some of the other descendants, so clearly they support it.
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It's a sign of progress, and that's you know, to
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be celebrated even with the peril that I mentioned, I
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think peril for that mayor if you look at what
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happened in Evanston where they actually started, they've been handing
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out checks for housing support. Again, what does what does
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we can't afford it mean people? Whether it's Evanston and
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they're funding theirs off of cannabis, or whether you're looking
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at Tulsa where they're taking money from the private sector.
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We can't afford what reparations doesn't have to be in
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one lump sum. It can be in in payments, it
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can be addressing one aspect of you know, repair, It
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can be done in different creator of ways and stages.
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So I think another thing to celebrate about the Tulsa
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model right now is the fact that it answers the
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question of we can afford it or the critique of
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we can't afford it with a funding model that could
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include some public funds, that relies on foundations and individuals
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from the private sector. Eight hundred and nine to two
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oh fifteen eighty, that's a debunking of a major talking
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point in the reparations movement. We can afford it, We'll
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find creative ways to afford it, and we'll do it
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incrementally and over time, like we do everything else. Eight
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hundred and nine two oh fifteen eighty. I'm Dominique de
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Prima for KBLA Talk fifteen eighty. Thank you, Thank you,
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thank you, I do. Thank you. Look. Our KBLA fourth
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want you to be left out. Eight hundred and nine
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to fifteen eighty. It is a talking point Tuesday. Now
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let's go to Fahima calling us from Washington, d C.
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Good morning, Fahima, Tabera Gari and k Pasa Dominie. How
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are you today, My good.
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Sister, I'm blessed. How you doing?
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I'm good?
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Yeah.
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I just want to say I think part of the
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problem it gives rise to even the pushbacks from the
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white supremasts who are anti reparations the way it's being claimed,
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and if you look at situations where there has been
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progressed with reparations. They were individual situations like you know, Georgetown, Everson, Illinois,
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Palm Springs, California. But when people say slavey for reparations,
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it allows these folks to give pushback. I mean, I'm
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sure you've heard the recently Harvard settled the case where
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they had artifacts of people's ancestors and it's and it's
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individual what they're like. Okay, Tatahase Coasts has outlined the
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vastest amount of harm, and as you know, the debt
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has outlined the massive amount of harm. But when people
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say slavery for reparations, it allows these white supremacists the
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ability to say, well, there are no slaves alive and
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there and there are no slave masters still alive. And
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so I think that we should make sure to be
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framed this appropriately. For example, I recently learned only if
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he confirmed that during Jim crow eras women in Louisiana
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were placed in prison with men and they were was
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appregnated and those children at the age of ten were
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auctioned off and the revenue were used to fund schools
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for white children. So these are horrific things that can
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be documented and you can find the actual people who
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were harmed or their defendants, as was the case in
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the Georgetown situation, and I think that that's part of
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the problem, how it's being hanged.
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Yeah, I agree with that. I mean Georgetown, you're talking
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about the university where they actually sold people to pay
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off their debt and right, and then you know, gave
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very or starting to give very specific reparation to the
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descendants of those actual persons. But when you're saying slavery
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for reparations, you're talking about the linking of reparations directly
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and only to the enslavement of our ancestors in this country.
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And as the California Task Force report clearly sets out,
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it's not just that it's Jim Crow, it's the subsequent
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arms and badges all the way up until today. And
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so that is I think that's an important point on
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a talking point Tuesday, because when you discuss reparations, when
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we discuss reparations, if we allow it to be only
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isolated to our enslavement, it does make that argument more logical. Well,
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I never owned slaves, and I shouldn't, you know, the
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sins of the father blah blah blah, and not everybody
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owned slaves. Yeah, that's true. Well not. You know, the
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American people also did not perpetuate the Holocaust, nor did
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the American people lock up the Japanese in internment camps,
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concentration camps. The government did it, but all of us.
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Nor did the you know, people of the United States
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shoot and kill these police officers where we're paying out
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mass I mean, people, excuse me, Nor did they and
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kill the people that police officers have shot and killed.
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But we all pay it off because we're part of
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a common group. That's what our taxes do. They pay
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for the things that are mandated by the Commons. And
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so I think it's a really important point when we
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talk about reparations, and one that's been made more in
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official circles than in everyday people's circles. It's not just
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about slavery. In fact, if you took slavery out of it,
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it would still be a debt that's owed. Yeah.
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And last point, and this is not to put the
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governments off the hook, is as I mentioned in Louisiana,
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where they were aux me off the children of women
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who children were conceived in prison to fund the public schools.
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That was the.
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Government when they denied education. When brown versus Board of
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Education was passed and they closed the school and denied
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OCAs of black people. That was the government, and so
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that's not to let the government off the hook. But
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it's not an issue of well, it's just reparations for slavery,
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and I'll just land there. We just have to be
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careful how we frame it and not allow white supremists
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the wiggle room to articulate this. No slaves alive and
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they're no slave masters alive. And I'll just land there
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and thank you for allowing me to make my comment.
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I missed you yesterday, but I hope you had fun.
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I did, and thank you. Yeah, that's a that's a
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good point because I've even had a conversation with somebody
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off the air. Rather he did conversation about reparations based
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on what's going on on on my Instagram and also,
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by the way, on TikTok, the same thing to Prima
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Radio Dominate Daprima. I have two TikTok accounts now. But
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when we finally got to the point of it's not
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just slavery, it's Jim Crow, it's the discrimination within programs
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like the GI Bill, where we actually didn't get those
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loans at all, and the housing that went with them,
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even though people served in the military, Black people served
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in the military just like everybody else. It's the housing
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covenants that kept us out of certain areas. It's the
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healthcare and discrimination and education discrimination. Then I was able
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to get a little bit of movement to where that
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person said, Okay, well, if we're looking at things that
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aren't just slavery, I'd be willing to look at that.
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And at the same time, Fahima, I think white supremacists
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and people who are categorically upon to reparation are always
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going to come up with another argument. So on the
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one hand, I agree it's important we frame it correctly,
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that we're clear on what is being repaired and why,
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and the California Task Force report gives us a strong
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framework for that. But on the other hand, we can't
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be stopped by these arguments because they're always going to
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come up with another reason. Right, there are no slaves
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and no slave masters alive. Okay, that's one talking point
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we can't afford. It is another talking point. I think
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I was just debunking that one for today. I shouldn't
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be responsible for the sins of the father, even though
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I get the benefits of the father, most people didn't
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own slaves. I mean, there's a constant, constant line of
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talking points. It's divisive. That's another big one. It's divisive.
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And looking at that debate in on the social media,
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which has also been erupting on this show. I mean
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a lot of that debate is coming from clips of
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this show that were placed on social media. It's that people,
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the white folks or people that designate themselves as white
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or are designated so by society, are talking about how
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we don't need reparations. It's divisive. We all need to
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be as one. You all need to stop designating yourself
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as black. But there's very little discussion about them giving
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up the title of white, the badge of white, and
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so you say you have no white privilege, but you're
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still going to keep calling yourself white and clinging to
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this idea of making America great again and smashing DEI
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and continuing to make sure that there's no that you
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don't have have to compete on a truly leveled playing field.
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So those talking points have to come with a big
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grain of salt and the determination that we continue to
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work for progress on reparations, justice in all these other
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areas that we have to fight for simultaneously. And yes,
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we continue to fight the narrative and make sure that
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the talking points are right and that we're not that
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we're framing things correctly, but we also have to have
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the determination to get through endless excuses, justifications and reasons
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why we don't deserve the payment on the debt, which
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we are clearly owed by America having built it into
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a world superpower. Fahima called me at eight hundred and
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nine toh fifteen eighty, eight hundred nine, two oh fifteen eighty,
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you can do the same. I've got an update on
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that deputy former Deputy Trevor Kirk, the wind co case,
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where the Trump administration down graded those charges. As Attorney
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carry Harper said, it ain't over tell you what I
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mean by that when we come forward on KBLA talk
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fifteen eighty. Yes, indeed, welcome back and welcome in eight
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hundred and nine to two fifteen eighty. Usually on a
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talking point Tuesday, we're looking local for the first hour,
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looking left coast, and the issue of reparations has been
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an important and constant one for us. We do Friedman
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Friday every Friday to talk about progress in such partly
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because California has been so much at the forefront of
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this issue, putting up the first task force in the
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nation with the state, which was of course created through
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a bill that was passed by then assembly Woman Shirley
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Webber who's now doctor Shirley Webber, who's now the Secretary
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State for our state, and so tracking it as much
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as we can in other states and cities. There's over
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seventy different task forces, so that's always national and local
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all at once. If you have time where you want
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to get inspired and encouraged, I encourage you to go
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to OAG dot CA dot GOVOAG for Office of the
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Attorney General dot CA dot govern. You can find the
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full twelve hundred page report there. You could also find
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a sixty page executive summary. I think it's about sixty pages.
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And you can also see the City of Los Angeles
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reparations report at LA Civil Rights LA Civil Rights I
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think it's dot org. Just type in LA Civil Rights Department.
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It will come up once you get to the website,
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navigate to that report. That report is still awaiting final
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final which goes to the city Council, which then the
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city council votes on the recommendations and what they want
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to actually implement. But the report itself is a gem
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and full of information you may have not known about
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the city of Los Angeles. So we've been speaking a
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lot on the case of Deputy Trevor Kirk, who was
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convicted by a jury of his peers for police brutality,
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for brutalizing this senior citizen, a black woman, you know,
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threw her down on the ground, punched her, and sprayed her.
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And he was found guilty of a felony who was
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facing ten years in prison. Up to ten years obviously
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could have been less. Now we've talked about this before,
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in case you missed it, the Trump administration brought in
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their attorney, Bill A. Saley, who was a former fake
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Reparationist Assembly member, and one of the first things he
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did was downgrade the charge just for Trevor Kirk, who
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had been offered a plea deal, rejected it, then went
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on to be convicted. And basically what they did is
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they find they found a way to finagle a post
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conviction plea deal, downgraded his convinced a judge to downgrade
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his charges, from felony to misdemeanor, meaning he could go
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back and be a cop again. Reportedly, he does have
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a job offer out and he'll be able to own
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a gun again and will probably not serve any jail
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time at all. So, and this is after a settlement
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was reached, by the way, where I don't know the amount,
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but there was a substantial amount awarded to in this
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settlement to the victim. She was represented by Attorney Carry Harper.
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Attorney Harper's been on the show talking about the case,
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urging people to go to court. The court room has
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been packed with deputies who are standing behind this deputy's
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right to throw a black woman to the ground and
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punch her in the face. Amazing that they can do
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this with no shame. But that's what they've been doing,
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mad dogging the attorney in court, yelling at her. You
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heard James Farr talking about that he was in court
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for one of those days. Well now, Attorney Harper writes
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on her Instagram, Graham Harper for Justice. Dear former LASD
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Deputy Trevor Kirk, while you and your friends were laughing
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in court this morning during your sentencing for a misdemeanor,
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when the jury found you guilty of felony deprivation of
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civil rights. The law offices of Carrie Harper was hard
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at work filing a writ of mandamness to the Ninth
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Circuit Court for Appeals, and the Ninth was listening. So
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there will be an appeal. There will be an appeal,
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which means we could still see this overturned. And maybe
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it is and maybe it's not right. That'll be up
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to the court. Hell, it could go all the way
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to the extreme court. But the thing about it is
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it's not being normalized. And I think when people like
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Attorney carry Harper do such as that, they deserve credit
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because it would be easy to just say, well, I've
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already got the money for my client. I don't have
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a dog in this fight. I don't need the aggravation,
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I don't have the time. No one's paying me for this.
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But Attorney Harper is standing on the side of justice
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and saying we need accountability. The US Attorney can't just
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overturn these charges without without answering to a higher court
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and just say, okay, we're going to give you a
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post conviction plea deal. Why would any officer of the
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law ever take a plea deal or accept responsibility and
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accountability for what they've done if they know the Trump
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administration is just going to come in and give them
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a post conviction deal so that they don't have to
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abide by either the fact that they turned away that
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deal at the beginning or the fact that a jury
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of their peers found sufficient evidence to convict of a felony. Well,
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now this will go before the Ninth Circuit Court of
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Appeals and it will live to fight another day on
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this issue. And I think that is spectacular and important,
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and it's a reminder, as we were reminded by Judge
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mabelin Ephraim on this show not long ago, about the
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important role that civil rights attorneys have been playing for
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decades in protecting our rights and securing our civil rights
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and our human rights in this country. And some are
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stepping up, some will continue to step up. Yeah, it's
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true that there are plenty of law firms that rolled
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over and played ball with the Trump administration, donating a
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million here, a millionaire or tens of millions in pro
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bono legal work for causes of the President's liking. But
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there are also people fighting back, and that's important. There
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are attorney Carry Harper's, there are Attorney Letitia James, and
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I'm not even saying they're all black, by the way,
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but those were the first two examples that came to mind.
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I mean, the ACLU is fighting furiously. There are people
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that are not going along with this Project twenty twenty
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five attack on our rights, the anti blackness that is
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being displayed right now with gleeful abandoned by law enforcement,
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by educational institutions. This preemptive surrender which I always talk about,
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people surrendering to the Trump administration, to this new Confederate
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Republican agenda because they feel protected, they feel like they
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have immunity. Like President Trump, you ain't him. He's one
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of a kind. He's one of one. And so in
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this environment, it's important to remember that not everybody's giving
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up and giving in. And you can be one of
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the ones that history will look back on and said
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he or she never rolled over. He or she fought
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for justice and what was right even when it wasn't
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convenient to do so. Eight hundred nine two oh fifteen
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eighty that's the number. It's a talking point Tuesday on
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KBLA Talk fifteen eighty
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KBLA Talk fifteen eighty. Good morning and God bless I'm
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Dominique de bring to the show is called First Things
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First and my very first thing today and every day,
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given thanksgiving, praises and asking four blessings from God, asking
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for the blessings of the ancestors and the elders. And
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let's go. It is a Talking Point Tuesday, Talking Points anyone.
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I would love to hear from you, as always every
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day when I'm on the air, the phone lines are
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open at nine hundred eighty two at eight hundred nine
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two oh fifteen eighty. And look, this is how we
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do the show on a Talking Point Tuesday. On our
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one we look local, what's happening on the left coast.
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Our two we go national, international and beyond. And in
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the third hour we do a deep dive with a
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hot topic or a person of interest. And I'm excited
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because today Alo Black will be joining me in the studio.
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He's an artist and an activist and artivist as they say,
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and just a great musician, interesting, very fascinating person, so
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looking forward to that. He's also the author of our
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reparations theme song I Need a Dala, and looking forward
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to that. Conversation Truly will be joined in hour two
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by doctor Malina Abdullah of Black Lives Matter Grassroots, fresh
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off her rather interesting actually quite fascinating interview with pastor
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Jamal Bryant on that podcast and some repercussions fallout good
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things happening from that. She's also the host of Black
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Lives Matter LA. This is not a drill Saturday mornings
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on this show from eight to ten, but we'll be
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talking about everything in the headlines and you're invited to
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join in and chop it up with us. I want
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to think James Farr of The Conversation Live Altadina Rising
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for filling in with me on yesterday as I did
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a little little nice day off, of much needed day off.
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I'm not sure what discussion happened. I got some DMS.
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People thought I was in an emergency, you know, all
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as well, just living my best life a little bit
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around here. Got to go see the show in your hometown,
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miles of Las Vegas. Got to go see Kendrick Lamar
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and Sissa and it was It was quite a show.
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It looked like the LA takeover out there.
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Though.
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A bunch of LA people I've seen posting about being
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out there.
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Yeah. Well, and then there's a lot of LA people
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that live in Vegas. I'm sure you've encountered that because
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you're from there.
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All right, Yeah, for sure. A lot of born and
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raised shirts out there.
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Yeah, I did see a lot of that. It was
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really different from the last show that I saw. The
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last Kendrick Lamar show that I saw was well, I
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guess because Sissa. You know, I kind of feel a
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way about saying a lot because I know people don't
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want spoilers if they're still planning to go somewhere.
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Was it just him answers.
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Yeah, it was just him and Sissa, and it was
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like three hours long. It was a long show. I
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hadn't been to the Allegiance Stadium before in Las Vegas,
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and I think coming from LA were very spoiled because
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we're used to big shows and big crowds and there's
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a level of expertise about getting people in and out
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and the crowd flows and just the stages and the
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way everything's set up. But I enjoyed it.
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It was good. Had you got to enjoy the city.
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You didn't burn up and milt out there.
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Oh my gosh, it was one hundred and thirteen degrees
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when we landed, and that's normal for y'all.
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You said last week we're gonna have a heat wave
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this weekend, and you know, don't die an something like
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you're dragging a dumbiny. It's a hunting twelve in Vegas
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right now.
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So I didn't. I don't even understand that kind of heat.
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Luckily it was. It's not humid, so that makes it
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where you can hand. But yeah, and you're right. There
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was a lot of la a lot, a lot, a
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lot of Latinos in the crowd too, for sure. He
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I mean, you know, not that that's so unusual on
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the West coast, but clearly he has cultivated quiet Kendrick
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and you know, people singing every single word, like every
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word to every song. Clearly he's cultivated a very diverse crowd.
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Any special guests pop up.
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Doja Cat came out for a second. She's not one
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of my faves, but you know she was doing her
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Doja Cat thing with Siza. Yeah, so lots of sets
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and you know, special effects, fire and you know all
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that stuff. I guess we kind of expect that now
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from a stadium style show.
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Did you get to a hit the city afterwards.
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it's Las Vegas. You can't just like go there and sleep.
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It was Yeah, we had a we had a fun time.
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But man, Las Vegas is like La. It's just the
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development is moving so fast. And of course I wonder
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about the the locals, you know, and the gentrification because
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just it seems like it's built up so much and
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everyone's moving there. Well, kind of like Arizona for a while,
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Texas the same thing. People moving looking for cheaper, cheaper sunshine,
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cheaper living. That's why I guess I find so many
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Angelinos there that I just wonder, Well, you're from there,
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So I mean, with all these shiny new buildings and stuff,
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are the Are the locals getting squeezed and pushed out?
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Are the prices going up?
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Like price are definitely going up. It's not quite La
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prices yet, but it's right there. I keep telling everybody
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who keeps saying they want to move to Vegas, we
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don't have no damn water in Vegas. There's a super
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super drought, super drought, that's the super desert in Vegas.
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There's no water there. Why are we still building these
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huge buildings like we're gonna have space and water for it.
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That's not gonna work. So I know we're making room
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right there on the strip on the Caddy corner to
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the Allegiance Stadium for the the A's are gonna be
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moving there in the year or two.
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Yeah, I heard, Well, you know, I mean we're would.
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Have three stadiums in one. You know, I mean we're
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not it's not Englewood, it's not LA it's not built
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for that type of stuff. So we're gonna have the
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MGM Grand, the Allegiant Stadium, the the T Mobile Arena,
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and the A's Arena all in one like square mile
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of blocks, so with no parking, yeah, and no water.
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you already have tons of people, the tourists right on
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the strip and now you've got a concert, just a
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lot going on. But I enjoyed it, and you know,
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like usually I met a bunch of LA people who
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had moved there and were celebrating how inexpensive it is
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and how they don't have to pay as many taxes
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and all this. But you know, everything's a trade off.
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I'll be here in LA. Let's go to Carl. I
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don't have a born and raised shirt because I was
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born in New York. But I like LA, and you know,
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I know it's expensive. I know it's hard, but I'm
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teams stay and fight. Carl from LA, good morning.
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Hey, good morning. Well hey, if you've got a couple
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of pensions and social Security venters, check on your home.
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I guess said this is the place to be.
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Well, I don't have all that, Carl. What are you
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talking about a couple of pensions? Yeah for sure.
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Yeah, Well that's what you need to survive on here.
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I mean, you know here in Los Angeles, right, or.
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three jobs, which a lot of people do here.
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Yeah, Hey, Dominique, maybe you could get the doctor horn
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on the horn and have him describe what's going on
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down there in Haiti with the Blackwater. Uh they hired
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Blackwater down there to uh calm down the games down there.
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I mean a privately owned company, military company. Uh, you know,
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trying to calm down the situation down there. I don't see.
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That ain't fair to me, Hey, but I see, I see.
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We got over here to mayor in Tulsa. Uh, he
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came through with the people to help him out with
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a start off to revise the city down there. No
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cash cop station, but one hundred and I think it's
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one hundred and five million dollars they got in a
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trust that's going to be loathed out and hand it
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out in certain ways to improve the city down there
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for the massacre that went down.
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Yeah, the city's first black mayor. But you know, well,
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we'll explore some of that stuff with doctor Molina Abdullah
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when she comes in. Remember she's also a political scientist
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and a professor. But of course we'd like to have
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doctor Horn, doctor Jerrel Horne you're talking about on all
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the time. Unfortunately, or fortunately, he has other jobs, so
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I can't just order him up every day. We can't
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get a neural link neural just tap into his brain,
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that'd be great. But yeah, I'm sure we have him
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coming up soon and I'll be interested to hear what
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he has to say about that. I think it's going
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to be. His name is Monronick, the first black mayor
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of the city of Tulsa. And it's the project that
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you're referring to is called Road to Repair it's meant
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to deal it's like reparations, it's meant to deal with
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the aftermath of the Greenwood massacre, Greenwood attack on the
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black community there. And you're right, it's a private charitable trust.
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They want to raise one hundred and five million, partly
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from private contributions and some public funding may be possible
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property transfers. The idea is to have all that in
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place by next year, on the anniversary of the attack.
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But the thing that I'm concerned about is this Mayor
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Monroe Nichols coming on strong with reparations like this is
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what is in store for him. I mean, we look
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on at the attack on black mayors that's already happening, right,
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mayors that haven't made nearly as bold of steps as that.
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of New York, who's a problem. But still, you know,
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he's a i'd say an independent, one of those independence
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that's really a Republican. But still you look at the
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mayor of Jacksonville, my own brother, the mayor of Newark
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being arrested by Ice, and then of course the mayor
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of Los Angeles, Karen Bass, being constantly under attack. For really,
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if you break it down and look at it very little,
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it just makes me wonder what this mayor has in
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store for him, since he's starting off with this huge
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reparations package as that city's first black mayor, and against
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the backdrop of the repeated rejection of any kind of
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restitution or reparation for those green would survivors right by
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the States Supreme Court, by the city itself. So far
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they've got they've received nothing other than private contributions. So
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while I commend the boldness of this plan, I'm wondering
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if it will be able to be fully executed and
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what the backlash will be. I mean, even if you
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look at federally, what the Republican administration on the national level,
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what the Trump administration is leveling at California attack after attack.
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If you look at are you know, Greening policies, the
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attacks on trans athletes, budgets for schools, trying to control
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the schools and their agendas, it just makes me wonder
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what this mayor may have. And I'm not saying you
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shouldn't have done it, by the way, Don't get me wrong,
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I'm glad that he did. But I'm just wondering what
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he may have unlashed upon himself and the city of
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Tulsa with this maga moment that we are in. Eight
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hundred nine to fifteen eighty. That's the number to call
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if you've got something to say. That's what Carl did,
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continuing the conversation only right here on KBLA Talk fifteen eighty.
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It is a talking point Tuesday, and when we come
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to the conversation about reparations, which has been rather robusts
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on my social media these days, and I invite you
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guys to tap in. It's KBLA fifteen eighty is our
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social media address. You can find me at DEPRIMA Radio,
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dp RIMA and then radio. When it comes to reparations,
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the biggest talking point that I always hear is we
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cannot afford it. We just don't have the money. So
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we find money for everything else, massive tax cuts for
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the rich, wars that seem to drag on forever for
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decades that are not even the expenditure is not even
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approved by our Congress. But yet we don't have money
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for reparations. That's one of the talking points. And when
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you look at the Tulsa model, what they're doing here
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what they're setting out to do. They're going to private sources.
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Any city funding or city land use would have to
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be approved by the city council. So it may not
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happen because those council people are thinking about getting re elected,
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and just like Governor Newsom with his presidential aspirations, they
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are considering what a track record of having approved money
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or land to go to reparations, what it would do
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to their careers. That said, this model of you know,
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creating a fund using private sources is one way to
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work around that opposition from some members of the public.
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The courts have shown that most white people do not
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support reparations. If you look at my Instagram page, you
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will see the same. The people weighing in who are
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happy that the of the idea that black people don't
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need her or deserve her are not warranted reparations due
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to the debt that is owed to us are mostly
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people you would classify as white. So there is a
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divide there, and I think this is one way of
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addressing it is by mostly dealing with individual private dollars. However,
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I will say, because Carl had mentioned that there was
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no cash payment, no cash payments to the living descendants,
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not just the descendants, but the actual victims. There's a
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couple that are still alive that are, you know, centenarians
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over one hundred years old, who haven't gotten any other
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than private donations, haven't gotten any redress. They were rejected
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by the Oklahoma Supreme Court in their lawsuit. But okay,
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it could still happen. It could still happen. The last
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two survivors who were actually there are one hundred and
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ten and one hundred and eleven years old, so one
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wonders if it would happen quickly enough, but it could happen.
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If the board of trustees for that city trust were
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to vote to give them some kind of restitution, it
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could actually happen. Seems like a long shot, but it
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could happen. Those living survivors were there at the announcement Sunday,
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And although it's mostly that money is mostly meant to
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restore the Greenwood area and try to build it up
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to what it could of or would have been had
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it not been attacked, there could possibly be some payouts
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to those specific survivors and or their descendants. Of course,
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we're talking about the attack in nineteen twenty one and
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that federal report which came out just before Joe Biden
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left office. They squeaked that one out of the Justice
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Department before it flipped over to the current administration. That
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federal report was very clear and specific in saying that
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the attack on Greenwood was an attack what they're going
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to what they called a coordinated military style attack, because
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remember there was bombing from the air and police law
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enforcement officials backing up and reinforcing those citizens who were
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attacking black homeowners and business owners. The Justice Department report
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was clear that this was not just like a riot
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where a mob goes crazy and out of jealousy, anger
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and racism burns down this neighborhood. It was well planned
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and executed with the support of military and law enforcement.
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And so they're looking at what the neighborhood could have been,
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what it should have been, and what justice looks like.
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Lessie Benenfield Randall and Viola Ford Fletcher. Those are the
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two the one hundred and ten and one hundred eleven
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year old. Only Miss Randall U was at Sunday's announcement
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with some of the other descendants, so clearly they support it.
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It's a sign of progress, and that's you know, to
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be celebrated even with the peril that I mentioned, I
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think peril for that mayor if you look at what
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happened in Evanston where they actually started, they've been handing
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out checks for housing support. Again, what does what does
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we can't afford it mean people? Whether it's Evanston and
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they're funding theirs off of cannabis, or whether you're looking
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at Tulsa where they're taking money from the private sector.
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We can't afford what reparations doesn't have to be in
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one lump sum. It can be in in payments, it
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can be addressing one aspect of you know, repair, It
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can be done in different creator of ways and stages.
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So I think another thing to celebrate about the Tulsa
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model right now is the fact that it answers the
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question of we can afford it or the critique of
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we can't afford it with a funding model that could
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include some public funds, that relies on foundations and individuals
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from the private sector. Eight hundred and nine to two
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oh fifteen eighty, that's a debunking of a major talking
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point in the reparations movement. We can afford it, We'll
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find creative ways to afford it, and we'll do it
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incrementally and over time, like we do everything else. Eight
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hundred and nine two oh fifteen eighty. I'm Dominique de
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Prima for KBLA Talk fifteen eighty. Thank you, Thank you,
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thank you, I do. Thank you. Look. Our KBLA fourth
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anniversary is almost here. That's going to be June teenth,
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and this is what June third. Yeah, so it's right
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all four of our special events is getting tight. It's
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filling up, and we want you to register if you're
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four different spectacular events. So if you want to come,
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victims of the Altadna eating fire, who are still struggling,
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still not settled, and there are quite a few of them. Sadly,
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those families. They're still displaced by the wildfires. We want
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to be hosted by Tavis Smiley, or the State of
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Black Women in LA hosted by me, and of course
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the Empowerment Congress. All of these events are free, but
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seating is limited, so don't forget to register. We don't
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want you to be left out. Eight hundred and nine
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to fifteen eighty. It is a talking point Tuesday. Now
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let's go to Fahima calling us from Washington, d C.
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Good morning, Fahima, Tabera Gari and k Pasa Dominie. How
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are you today, My good.
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Sister, I'm blessed. How you doing?
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I'm good?
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Yeah.
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I just want to say I think part of the
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problem it gives rise to even the pushbacks from the
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white supremasts who are anti reparations the way it's being claimed,
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and if you look at situations where there has been
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progressed with reparations. They were individual situations like you know, Georgetown, Everson, Illinois,
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Palm Springs, California. But when people say slavey for reparations,
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it allows these folks to give pushback. I mean, I'm
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sure you've heard the recently Harvard settled the case where
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they had artifacts of people's ancestors and it's and it's
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individual what they're like. Okay, Tatahase Coasts has outlined the
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vastest amount of harm, and as you know, the debt
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has outlined the massive amount of harm. But when people
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say slavery for reparations, it allows these white supremacists the
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ability to say, well, there are no slaves alive and
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there and there are no slave masters still alive. And
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so I think that we should make sure to be
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framed this appropriately. For example, I recently learned only if
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he confirmed that during Jim crow eras women in Louisiana
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were placed in prison with men and they were was
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appregnated and those children at the age of ten were
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auctioned off and the revenue were used to fund schools
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for white children. So these are horrific things that can
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be documented and you can find the actual people who
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were harmed or their defendants, as was the case in
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the Georgetown situation, and I think that that's part of
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the problem, how it's being hanged.
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Yeah, I agree with that. I mean Georgetown, you're talking
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about the university where they actually sold people to pay
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off their debt and right, and then you know, gave
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very or starting to give very specific reparation to the
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descendants of those actual persons. But when you're saying slavery
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for reparations, you're talking about the linking of reparations directly
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and only to the enslavement of our ancestors in this country.
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And as the California Task Force report clearly sets out,
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it's not just that it's Jim Crow, it's the subsequent
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arms and badges all the way up until today. And
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so that is I think that's an important point on
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a talking point Tuesday, because when you discuss reparations, when
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we discuss reparations, if we allow it to be only
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isolated to our enslavement, it does make that argument more logical. Well,
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I never owned slaves, and I shouldn't, you know, the
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sins of the father blah blah blah, and not everybody
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owned slaves. Yeah, that's true. Well not. You know, the
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American people also did not perpetuate the Holocaust, nor did
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the American people lock up the Japanese in internment camps,
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concentration camps. The government did it, but all of us.
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Nor did the you know, people of the United States
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shoot and kill these police officers where we're paying out
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mass I mean, people, excuse me, Nor did they and
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kill the people that police officers have shot and killed.
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But we all pay it off because we're part of
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a common group. That's what our taxes do. They pay
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for the things that are mandated by the Commons. And
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so I think it's a really important point when we
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talk about reparations, and one that's been made more in
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official circles than in everyday people's circles. It's not just
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about slavery. In fact, if you took slavery out of it,
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it would still be a debt that's owed. Yeah.
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And last point, and this is not to put the
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governments off the hook, is as I mentioned in Louisiana,
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where they were aux me off the children of women
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who children were conceived in prison to fund the public schools.
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That was the.
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Government when they denied education. When brown versus Board of
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Education was passed and they closed the school and denied
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OCAs of black people. That was the government, and so
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that's not to let the government off the hook. But
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it's not an issue of well, it's just reparations for slavery,
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and I'll just land there. We just have to be
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careful how we frame it and not allow white supremists
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the wiggle room to articulate this. No slaves alive and
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they're no slave masters alive. And I'll just land there
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and thank you for allowing me to make my comment.
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I missed you yesterday, but I hope you had fun.
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I did, and thank you. Yeah, that's a that's a
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good point because I've even had a conversation with somebody
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off the air. Rather he did conversation about reparations based
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on what's going on on on my Instagram and also,
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by the way, on TikTok, the same thing to Prima
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Radio Dominate Daprima. I have two TikTok accounts now. But
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when we finally got to the point of it's not
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just slavery, it's Jim Crow, it's the discrimination within programs
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like the GI Bill, where we actually didn't get those
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loans at all, and the housing that went with them,
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even though people served in the military, Black people served
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in the military just like everybody else. It's the housing
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covenants that kept us out of certain areas. It's the
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healthcare and discrimination and education discrimination. Then I was able
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to get a little bit of movement to where that
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person said, Okay, well, if we're looking at things that
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aren't just slavery, I'd be willing to look at that.
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And at the same time, Fahima, I think white supremacists
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and people who are categorically upon to reparation are always
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going to come up with another argument. So on the
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one hand, I agree it's important we frame it correctly,
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that we're clear on what is being repaired and why,
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and the California Task Force report gives us a strong
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framework for that. But on the other hand, we can't
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be stopped by these arguments because they're always going to
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come up with another reason. Right, there are no slaves
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and no slave masters alive. Okay, that's one talking point
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we can't afford. It is another talking point. I think
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I was just debunking that one for today. I shouldn't
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be responsible for the sins of the father, even though
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I get the benefits of the father, most people didn't
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own slaves. I mean, there's a constant, constant line of
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talking points. It's divisive. That's another big one. It's divisive.
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And looking at that debate in on the social media,
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which has also been erupting on this show. I mean
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a lot of that debate is coming from clips of
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this show that were placed on social media. It's that people,
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the white folks or people that designate themselves as white
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or are designated so by society, are talking about how
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we don't need reparations. It's divisive. We all need to
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be as one. You all need to stop designating yourself
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as black. But there's very little discussion about them giving
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up the title of white, the badge of white, and
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so you say you have no white privilege, but you're
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still going to keep calling yourself white and clinging to
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this idea of making America great again and smashing DEI
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and continuing to make sure that there's no that you
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don't have have to compete on a truly leveled playing field.
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So those talking points have to come with a big
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grain of salt and the determination that we continue to
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work for progress on reparations, justice in all these other
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areas that we have to fight for simultaneously. And yes,
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we continue to fight the narrative and make sure that
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the talking points are right and that we're not that
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we're framing things correctly, but we also have to have
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the determination to get through endless excuses, justifications and reasons
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why we don't deserve the payment on the debt, which
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we are clearly owed by America having built it into
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a world superpower. Fahima called me at eight hundred and
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nine toh fifteen eighty, eight hundred nine, two oh fifteen eighty,
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you can do the same. I've got an update on
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that deputy former Deputy Trevor Kirk, the wind co case,
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where the Trump administration down graded those charges. As Attorney
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carry Harper said, it ain't over tell you what I
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mean by that when we come forward on KBLA talk
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fifteen eighty. Yes, indeed, welcome back and welcome in eight
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hundred and nine to two fifteen eighty. Usually on a
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talking point Tuesday, we're looking local for the first hour,
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looking left coast, and the issue of reparations has been
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an important and constant one for us. We do Friedman
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Friday every Friday to talk about progress in such partly
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because California has been so much at the forefront of
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this issue, putting up the first task force in the
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nation with the state, which was of course created through
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a bill that was passed by then assembly Woman Shirley
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Webber who's now doctor Shirley Webber, who's now the Secretary
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State for our state, and so tracking it as much
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as we can in other states and cities. There's over
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seventy different task forces, so that's always national and local
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all at once. If you have time where you want
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to get inspired and encouraged, I encourage you to go
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to OAG dot CA dot GOVOAG for Office of the
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Attorney General dot CA dot govern. You can find the
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full twelve hundred page report there. You could also find
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a sixty page executive summary. I think it's about sixty pages.
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And you can also see the City of Los Angeles
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reparations report at LA Civil Rights LA Civil Rights I
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think it's dot org. Just type in LA Civil Rights Department.
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It will come up once you get to the website,
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navigate to that report. That report is still awaiting final
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final which goes to the city Council, which then the
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city council votes on the recommendations and what they want
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to actually implement. But the report itself is a gem
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and full of information you may have not known about
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the city of Los Angeles. So we've been speaking a
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lot on the case of Deputy Trevor Kirk, who was
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convicted by a jury of his peers for police brutality,
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for brutalizing this senior citizen, a black woman, you know,
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threw her down on the ground, punched her, and sprayed her.
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And he was found guilty of a felony who was
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facing ten years in prison. Up to ten years obviously
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could have been less. Now we've talked about this before,
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in case you missed it, the Trump administration brought in
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their attorney, Bill A. Saley, who was a former fake
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Reparationist Assembly member, and one of the first things he
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did was downgrade the charge just for Trevor Kirk, who
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had been offered a plea deal, rejected it, then went
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on to be convicted. And basically what they did is
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they find they found a way to finagle a post
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conviction plea deal, downgraded his convinced a judge to downgrade
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his charges, from felony to misdemeanor, meaning he could go
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back and be a cop again. Reportedly, he does have
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a job offer out and he'll be able to own
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a gun again and will probably not serve any jail
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time at all. So, and this is after a settlement
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was reached, by the way, where I don't know the amount,
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but there was a substantial amount awarded to in this
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settlement to the victim. She was represented by Attorney Carry Harper.
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Attorney Harper's been on the show talking about the case,
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urging people to go to court. The court room has
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been packed with deputies who are standing behind this deputy's
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right to throw a black woman to the ground and
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punch her in the face. Amazing that they can do
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this with no shame. But that's what they've been doing,
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mad dogging the attorney in court, yelling at her. You
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heard James Farr talking about that he was in court
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for one of those days. Well now, Attorney Harper writes
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on her Instagram, Graham Harper for Justice. Dear former LASD
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Deputy Trevor Kirk, while you and your friends were laughing
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in court this morning during your sentencing for a misdemeanor,
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when the jury found you guilty of felony deprivation of
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civil rights. The law offices of Carrie Harper was hard
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at work filing a writ of mandamness to the Ninth
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Circuit Court for Appeals, and the Ninth was listening. So
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there will be an appeal. There will be an appeal,
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which means we could still see this overturned. And maybe
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it is and maybe it's not right. That'll be up
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to the court. Hell, it could go all the way
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to the extreme court. But the thing about it is
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it's not being normalized. And I think when people like
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Attorney carry Harper do such as that, they deserve credit
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because it would be easy to just say, well, I've
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already got the money for my client. I don't have
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a dog in this fight. I don't need the aggravation,
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I don't have the time. No one's paying me for this.
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But Attorney Harper is standing on the side of justice
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and saying we need accountability. The US Attorney can't just
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overturn these charges without without answering to a higher court
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and just say, okay, we're going to give you a
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post conviction plea deal. Why would any officer of the
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law ever take a plea deal or accept responsibility and
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accountability for what they've done if they know the Trump
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administration is just going to come in and give them
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a post conviction deal so that they don't have to
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abide by either the fact that they turned away that
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deal at the beginning or the fact that a jury
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of their peers found sufficient evidence to convict of a felony. Well,
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now this will go before the Ninth Circuit Court of
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Appeals and it will live to fight another day on
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this issue. And I think that is spectacular and important,
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and it's a reminder, as we were reminded by Judge
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mabelin Ephraim on this show not long ago, about the
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important role that civil rights attorneys have been playing for
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decades in protecting our rights and securing our civil rights
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and our human rights in this country. And some are
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stepping up, some will continue to step up. Yeah, it's
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true that there are plenty of law firms that rolled
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over and played ball with the Trump administration, donating a
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million here, a millionaire or tens of millions in pro
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bono legal work for causes of the President's liking. But
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there are also people fighting back, and that's important. There
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are attorney Carry Harper's, there are Attorney Letitia James, and
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I'm not even saying they're all black, by the way,
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but those were the first two examples that came to mind.
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I mean, the ACLU is fighting furiously. There are people
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that are not going along with this Project twenty twenty
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five attack on our rights, the anti blackness that is
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being displayed right now with gleeful abandoned by law enforcement,
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by educational institutions. This preemptive surrender which I always talk about,
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people surrendering to the Trump administration, to this new Confederate
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Republican agenda because they feel protected, they feel like they
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have immunity. Like President Trump, you ain't him. He's one
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of a kind. He's one of one. And so in
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this environment, it's important to remember that not everybody's giving
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up and giving in. And you can be one of
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the ones that history will look back on and said
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he or she never rolled over. He or she fought
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for justice and what was right even when it wasn't
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convenient to do so. Eight hundred nine two oh fifteen
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eighty that's the number. It's a talking point Tuesday on
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KBLA Talk fifteen eighty
