How Will the Warner Bros Merger, Obama's Speeches & Our TV Habit Impact the Election? with Jarrett Hill

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Got a lot to talk about today for real, and
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I'm glad he's here. He is an award-winning journalist, a
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former leader of the National Association of Black Journalists, LA Chapter.
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He's an author of the award-winning book, Historically Black Phrases,
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A creator of a game, and a graduate of Harvard
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Divinity School. That's just a few of the credentials. Good morning,
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Jerry Hill.
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Thank you. Good morning. Thank you for having me.
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Thanks for coming in. So, there's a lot going on today.
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I mentioned Israel is going to the polls.
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Yes.
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And I feel like I have never tracked an Israeli
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election as much as I'm tracking this one, even though
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it's not like we have, you know... some great progressive
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on the other side of the ticket running against Netanyahu,
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but there's just so many parallels between Netanyahu and Trump.
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Yeah. I've seen a little bit of coverage on the
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Israeli election that's happening today. And I'm kind of fascinated
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to see what happens as, but as you say, like,
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I don't see like a candidate that I'm like enthusiastic about,
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but I also kind of feel like anyone that's not
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BB Netanyahu is probably going to be a little bit better,
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but like, I don't, This is my first time really
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paying attention to an election as real as well.
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Yeah, I mean, and the fact of the matter is,
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you know, he's like Trump in that he's been able
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to stay out of jail by being president. It's a
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unique strategy for evading law enforcement. But, you know, and
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given the genocide, it feels like in Gaza, it feels
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just urgent that even if the guy that's running against him,
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which is a former IDF head, isn't better. it feels
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important for Israel to reject him right now to me.
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Absolutely. I mean, I'm very curious to see what happens
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with this election and then how people respond to it
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in a similar way that I feel that way about
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our election, right? Like I've been thinking this a lot
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about our election and thinking to myself, like I've seen
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different coverage of like the ways Republicans are running here, right?
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And how they're not doing town halls or not going
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out and talking to people. And similarly, I'm like, I'm
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really curious how the people of Israel will go to
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the polls and what the election will look like and
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then what the response to it will look like and
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the way that here in America, we have seen Republicans
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deny the result of every election we've had since Donald
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Trump has been running in the last decade. And so
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as we see them coming into this moment, I find
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myself kind of curious, like, how will they try and
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deny the election this time? Not if they will, because
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we've seen them do it every other time, right? In
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the same way that I'm like, How will we see
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them try and cheat? Because we've seen them try to
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cheat every single time before.
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I mean, that was the whole thing with the Brazilian
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election over the weekend, which thankfully Da Silva won, Lula
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Da Silva won, because Bolsonaro's son, this guy Flavio Bolsonaro,
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is giving Don Trump Jr. His dad is in jail
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for trying to overturn the election, right? Kind of what
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we should have done with our president. But the thing is,
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Trump denied... the result of their election. Trump said they cheated.
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But thankfully, the Flavio Bolsonaro guy has accepted the results
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of the election.
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Well, and correct me if I'm wrong, I believe Bolsonaro,
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his father, is in prison because of the uprising that
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came after that.
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Yeah, his own January 6th. Yeah, so pretty much they
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did what we should have done and we wouldn't be
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suffering through this Trump presidency right now. They held him
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criminally accountable. He's in jail. Had his son won, he
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would have got out.
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Yeah.
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His son did not win, but at least they are
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accepting the results of the election. But the irony is
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exactly what you just said. Trump is not accepting the results.
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He's not Brazilian. He probably hasn't even seen any data,
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but he's just saying they cheated. So preview of coming attractions.
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Yeah. And also like Donald Trump denied the results of
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elections that he allegedly won. So the idea of him
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rejecting the results of elections again is like it's pretty
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on brand at this point after a decade. and some
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change of Donald Trump as an electoral factor here.
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Why do people keep believing? Okay, so let's talk about Obama.
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Former President Barack Obama has been back on the campaign stump,
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and he's going hard. I mean, I feel like he's...
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Does this seem like he's clowning more than usual?
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I saw some of the other coverage, and they were like,
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this seems unusual for President Obama. Did they say that?
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Okay, it wasn't just me.
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And I was thinking to myself, like, is it unusual?
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I mean.
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I feel like we've seen him take hits at Trump
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in ways that like Michelle Obama, for instance, won't who
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won't even say his name. Right. Whereas in this instance,
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we see President Obama going out and talking about all
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of the vanity projects that we've seen coming from this
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current president. Or as you would call him, the resident,
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the seeing all these vanity for different projects and referring
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to it looking like Saddam Hussein opened a cheesecake factory.
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I love that.
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I thought A was funny, but B like not too
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much on the Cheesecake Factory because I will roll up
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in there and get my Tex-Mex egg roll.
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Look, I like the Cheesecake Factory too, but they're not,
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you know, known for their interior design aesthetic.
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Certainly not known as world leaders, right?
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Or as world leaders.
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So I've been interested in this moment because I also
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feel like we've seen the president, we've seen President Obama
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come after Trump in this way. And there are various
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different reports on like the ways in which Donald Trump
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was kind of shook by it and spending a lot
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of time responding to it. So I'm fascinated to see
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Obama out. But I'm also I always get nervous whenever
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Obama's out doing too much because I'm like, Donald Trump
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is the president right now.
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Right.
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And we've seen the way that he's dealt with Ilhan Omar.
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We talked last week about Senator Lucas in Virginia, Maryland.
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We've seen various different kinds of political retribution come from
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this president. And so I do get a little anxious
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whenever the Obamas are out saying too much. But I
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also feel like we need them to be out talking,
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especially giving people an address for the election.
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I mean, when you say nervous, are you thinking assassinations?
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Are you just thinking targeted? Because he has talked and
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fantasized out loud a lot about jailing Obama.
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Exactly.
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But so far, it seems like the only people he's
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trying to jail are black women.
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Yeah.
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For the most part, other than James Comey.
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I've been anxious about it because as much as he
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hates Barack Obama and Joe Biden, as much as he
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hates the Obamas, as much as he wants to be
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Barack Obama, because that's really what it is, right? He
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hasn't really gone after Obama in a way that I...
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am happy about, but always cautious around.
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Does this help? Do you think this helps Democrats?
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Obama?
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Yeah, he's out there. He's out there trying to make
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a difference in Michigan. He's out there trying to... Obviously,
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what he's trying to do is help Dems get the
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House and the Senate. Does it help?
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I think we... I think data and I haven't looked
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at this in a while, so don't quote me here,
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but I believe the data shows that like it does
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help with turnout.
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Right.
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And we also kind of see that with Obama, with
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Trump going to different places that it can help turn
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out or sometimes hurt it depending on the city. So I,
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I do think Obama being out on the road is helpful, right? One,
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it brings conversation to these different candidates in the, in
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their various oftentimes down ballot races, but also I think
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it's helpful to, to be having a conversation from Obama, right,
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that is going to get coverage in a different way
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than if it was, you know, someone of a lesser stature.
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So I think it's useful in that way. I'm really
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curious to see how it will be useful when it
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comes to turnout.
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Yeah, and that Honestly, that's probably the number one thing
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right now. I see that in L.A. I don't know.
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I'm sure it's true nationwide. Progressives do better when there's
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more people that vote. That's why they're trying to make
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you not vote. But for some reason, people don't seem
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to be getting the call.
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I mean, how do you mean?
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Well, the June election, the turnout was terrible for the primary.
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And yet, you know, people are suffering with accountability. losing
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their rights. Folks are very scared, very unsettled by what's
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happening in Washington and even in their local governance. But
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they're not voting. And I don't get it. To me,
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if you're that mad about the price of eggs and
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the war in Iran, which is wildly unpopular, you would
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think you would want to come out and vote. I mean,
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we are seeing early voting, strong numbers in Georgia and
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places like that. But The primary, if the primary is
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any indication, we could be in trouble.
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Yeah, I, we talk a lot about the importance of voting.
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And I love that you always frame every day as
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election day, as we're leading up to the last election
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day of this cycle. And I, I'm always really curious
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about turnout in the ways that like we, I've said
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this on this air before. I'm a millennial. I'm, you know,
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I lean elder millennial. At 41, having been born at 85.
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I have been aware of the news, watching the news,
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politically aware since I was a kid.
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Yeah, you're one of those.
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I was a little boy watching 2020 on Friday night
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and catching the evening news every night. You know what
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I mean? And so I've been engaged. And one of
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the things that is always perplexing to me, frustrating to me,
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is how many years, my entire life, I have heard
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every politician talk about the financial system is broken. The
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education system is so broken. Our roads, our infrastructure is
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so broken.
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Immigration is so broken.
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Exactly every system is so broken and I think about
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how we ask people to the to engage with this
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system that is completely broken right that is always broken
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it's always decimated and now it's like it's too much
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money in politics it's too much this is too much
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that and it's like I don't I I I get
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the voter who is like, keep me out of it.
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Y'all got it. And I don't think that's necessarily the
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best answer, but I do get it. So that's when
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I look at turnout, I'm always thinking about the ways
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that the narrative in the country has been moving and
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the ways that people are talking about the country and
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the way that we are. We often look at data
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asking people like, is the country moving in the right direction? And,
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you know, that's always an interesting metric. But I think
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about those things a lot.
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Yeah, that's fair. You know, I just, that's one of
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the reasons I wish we would stop saying we're going
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to hell in a handbasket. Just one of the reasons.
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The other reason is it makes people depressed. It makes
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them feel hopeless. And it's not true. Our roads are great.
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Our roads are very drivable. Yes, there's potholes. Have you
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been to Benin? Well, that's not a good example. Have
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you been to Nigeria? Have you been to Lagos? Benin
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actually has pretty nice roads. But I'm just saying, like,
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We take a lot of things for granted while we're
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sitting here going, oh, L.A. is an ish hole. No,
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it's not.
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L.A.
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Is a beautiful, great place to live. Do we have
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some problems?
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Yes.
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I'm so tired of candidates bashing our cities, our counties,
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our country even, unless you're just talking about the injustices.
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800-920-1580 if you want to join. Jared Hill is here.
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I'm Dominique DiPrima. And this is Unapologetically Progressive KBLA Talk 1580.
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Jared Hill is here. He is an award-winning journalist. And
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we're talking about all kinds of things related to the election.
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The thing that amazes me that every, I feel like
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every day, Jarrett, I am reading about Donald Trump's approval
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ratings at new all-time low. Like, how much lower can
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it go? But yet he keeps winning. His people he's
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endorsing keep winning. And it feels like he's getting more
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and more unhinged. And maybe folks are just ignoring it.
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I mean, the whole thing with Nicki Minaj's butt. It
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was surreal to me. I felt like... How does Saturday
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Night Live even spoof that? How do you even spoof that?
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It's one of the things that I remember in the
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2008 election, I believe it was, when Sarah Palin was
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the vice presidential candidate with John McCain. Tina Fey came
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on playing Sarah Palin and just did exactly the script
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of what she said. Right.
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She didn't have to write anything.
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There was a Katie Couric interview where... Tina literally just
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said every single thing that Sarah Palin said. And I
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think when we look at the present day, number one,
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I think Sarah Palin walked so that Donald Trump could run.
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But that could even go back to Reagan if you
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want to.
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Yeah, for sure.
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But I also, I look at it and I think
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to myself, it shows us the ways that the trouble
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has been coming for a long time. And I think
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with Donald Trump, we see a lot of that.
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Yeah, but I guess the thing that amazes me is
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that it doesn't seem to impact anything.
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Well, but I also want to know, like, you spoke
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about the headline of, like, Donald Trump's approval ratings being
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at record lows.
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I was going to say, I Googled it earlier this year,
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and I was like, how many times have we had
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that conversation this term, right? And it was like six
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times or something like that in the first year and
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a half of the presidency. We've had a conversation about
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his record low approval numbers. which to me now really
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just feels like clickbait from corporate media, right? His number. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
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His approval numbers have never been above 40. I don't
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think ever. And then I could go back and check that,
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but like, they certainly never been above 45 and throughout
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his first term or his second term. So like his
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approval being historically low, it's like, I don't even know
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what that means because it's never been good. He's never
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had much more than a third of the country. I'm really,
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really supporting him.
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Hmm. Well, so what does that tell us? It tells
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us that he's got a passionate base and that they
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show up and they vote and that he has a
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passionate league of followers, of supporters, the Elon Musks, who
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are very rich, that have outsized influence because he doesn't
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have the mass popularity.
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And also, I mean, I think we could probably distinguish
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a lot of different things from the fact that his
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approval rating has been what it has been throughout the
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time that he's been even just a political candidate. Because
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it's it's even when he was running the first time,
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his approval rating like from his polling has always been
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most people do not like him. Right. Most people do
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not like the thing that he's saying. Most people do
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not like a lot of the ways that he wants
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to implement policy. there have been people who agree with
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him on immigration or agreed with him on the wall
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or agree with him on how we spend our money
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or whatever, but like approval has never been high for him.
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And so I'm, I'm just always kind of intrigued by like,
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what do we do with the information of like historic
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lows in his approval?
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Well, hopefully vote. Hopefully, hopefully vote.
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Yeah.
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So I have, this is an unpopular opinion, but I'm,
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I'm happy that Chris Brown is not going to jail.
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Yeah. Really?
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Okay.
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I didn't see that coming.
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I know.
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You're happy that he's not going to jail because... Well, because.
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I think that... I mean, I don't think it's okay
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that he hit a guy in the head with a bottle.
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He hit a music producer. Apparently, it's on video. I
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haven't seen the video. In the head with a bottle.
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I don't think that's okay. But I do think that
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Chris Brown is a target for a lot of people
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because of his early troubles and, and, and, you know,
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the terrible, terrible incident with Rihanna, uh, about which I
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know things that I can't say, but the thing is,
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you know, he went, he went and did the anger management.
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He went and did the, um, counseling. He has since
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done all kinds of charitable, um, missions that people don't
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talk about in the community. And I just feel like
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we have this double standard. If you're, you know, Donald
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Trump or if you're, you know, I don't know, any
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number of politicians and white people in this country, you
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get one outcome. And if you're Chris Brown or anybody black,
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you get another outcome. It doesn't matter how much you apologize,
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pay people. On the other hand, you could help yourself
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by not hitting people in the head with bottles. And
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I do get that. But it's just the way they
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handle them. I remember there was a story about police,
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they said police were having a standoff at Chris Brown's house.
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And what it was is the cops knocked on his
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door and he didn't answer. So they called that a standoff.
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So there's a targeting that happens, you know, in the
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press and in the industry.
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And so, you know, I hope he can stay out. I,
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I hear where you're coming from and I, I disagree
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with you here. I, I, well, the thing I agree
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with you on is he is definitely a target for media, right?
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Having his name in a headline, I absolutely agree with you.
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Media and industry. Industry and even law enforcement. But I
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think the challenge for me with Chris Brown is he's
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never gotten better. He's continued to act out. The Rihanna
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situation kind of kicked his public image in a different trajectory.
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But he's never gotten better. These fights in clubs.
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I remember.
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Shortly after the Rihanna thing, I remember he was at
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Good Morning America and threw a chair through a glass
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window out into Times Square. He's been fighting people at
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the club. He's stalking his ex-girlfriends. He's doing all kinds
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of different things. And so, like, I am always cautious
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around Chris Brown coverage because I do think that the
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media is really good at tipping into racists. when they're
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covering him.
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All right. And I mean, the stalking, what does that
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consist of? Liking their posts, talking about them.
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I mean, he had like showed up where she was.
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He was sending messages with Carucci and things like that.
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And so I'm like, I, I do think that he
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gets covered unfairly in certain kinds of ways. But I
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also think that like, he continues to show out every
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single time he has opportunity. And like, and like this
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sentence was supposed to be eight months and it's been reduced.
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And I'm like, How many times do you get off?
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Three years, three years. And he got eight months. It
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was reduced to eight months.
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But he's, but he, but it's suspended. I don't even
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know what that means. It means maybe you serve it later.
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Yeah. I, and to this point, I'm like, Chris Brown
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has gotten a lot of terrible coverage and, and been
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covered by the police. I mean, it has been, you know,
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a target of the law enforcement for a long time.
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And he's also gotten off a lot, right. He's gotten
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away with a lot. He's, you know, I was thinking
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about this yesterday, washing the dishes. I was like, Chris
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Brown is certainly another one of those people who if
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you have money and the right lawyers, you can stay
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out of jail.
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Right.
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And like I, I, I agree with you that the
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coverage of him can be problematic and that we have
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had a long history with him. But I also feel
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like a lot of this gets brought on by him
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acting out.
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OK, so it means you serve zero days in jail
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as long as you follow all the rules. So that's
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hanging over his head. All right, we got news, traffic,
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and sports.
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Asterisk, as long as you follow all the rules.
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Big as long as. All right, more straight ahead, only here.
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I've been talking a lot about this merger. Skydance, basically
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Paramount merging with Warner Brothers. I was hoping it wouldn't
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go through. It has gone through. Basically, the Ellison family,
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which are hardcore Trump-supporting billionaires, now own a lot, like
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a lot of not just news media, but also entertainment, right?
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Including CNN, including CBS News, and on and on it goes.
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And I think it's a big problem. But that merger,
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the ink is now dry, and they are making their moves.
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One of the first things we're hearing now is the
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layoffs have begun. The predictions were 4,500 people would be
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laid off. Where are we with that right now?
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Yeah. So just in the last day, we're starting to
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see that Skydance is offering buyouts to people as they're
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getting ready to lay off a lot of people, right?
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They're getting ready to get rid of a lot of jobs.
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And I think it's also important to remember the context
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of this. When we think about Skydance, we think about Paramount,
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they have already laid off thousands of people across companies, right?
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You were talking about the merging of these two companies,
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but we'll remember over the last couple of years, Warner
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Brothers Discovery became Warner Brothers Discovery, right? Discovery was Discovery
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and Warner Brothers was Warner Brothers. Those two companies merged
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and we got HBO Max became Max. And we got like,
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people will remember like the changing of all of these
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different names. And now just a couple of years later,
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we see Warner Brothers and Discovery that have become Warner
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Brothers Discovery becoming part of Paramount. Paramount, Warner Brothers Discovery
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is now Skydance. And like, why does this matter? All
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of these different businesses had thousands and thousands of people
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working there. A lot of them here in Los Angeles
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or New York and around the country. A lot of
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those people are losing their jobs. And when I think
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about Skydance, I think we are going to look back
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in history at this moment in a similar way to
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the ways that we look at Enron or other companies
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who have done terribly by their people and done great
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harm to the infrastructure of an industry. I think about
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Paramount right now in this moment as being, Skydance, excuse me,
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being one of the companies that we will think of
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as having done real harm to our media ecosystem when
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we look at this through the lens of history.
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Yeah, well, and I've been saying this. I was hoping
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it wouldn't go through. You know, that this is an
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existential crisis for creatives in Hollywood and for people in
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our business, journalists. Yeah. Because there's fewer and fewer and
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fewer companies to work for. And they are more and
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more and more controlled by big conservative players in the
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political scene. Because they also own TikTok.
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Yeah.
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And Elon Musk just invested a billion dollars in Skydance.
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You know, they've got this big debt because of buying everything.
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So Elon Musk has now anteed up a billion and
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he may throw in more. Now we're talking about these
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ultra conservative, politically active billionaires who, you know, one owns TikTok,
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one owns Twitter, and they're now colluding.
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Yeah, I think about this and ask people like, who
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is this helping?
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Right.
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When I think about Donald Trump, I often think about like,
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who has really been helped by the policies of Donald Trump?
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When I think about Paramount and Warner Brothers Discovery becoming Skydance,
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I say, like, who is this helping, right? Other than
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the Ellisons and the conservative movement to, like, move this
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country into being a more conservative, more white supremacist country, right? Like,
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it's certainly not helping the tens of thousands of people
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who've lost their jobs over the last few years. It's
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certainly not helping the audience, the consumer, who is looking
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for news or information or entertainment, right? When we look
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at the number of companies that are a part of
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this merger, Paramount already, just as Paramount Pictures, that is
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half a dozen different studios and networks within it as
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far as film and television are concerned. When we think
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about Paramount's television group, there are various networks under there.
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CBS Studios, we think about Paramount Television, we think about Nickelodeon,
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we think about various different places. But when we think
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about the other places that are a part of this conversation,
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it is CBS and CBS News. It is CNN. Even
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just thinking about CBS News, there are how many local
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television stations here? I would say a couple of dozen
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that represent CBS News, right? Between New York, Los Angeles, Boston,
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Bay Area, Minnesota, Minneapolis, Colorado, Pittsburgh, Chicago, Texas, Sacramento, Baltimore, Miami, Detroit,
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et cetera, et cetera. And that doesn't take into account MTV,
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Comedy Central, the Country Music Channel, Logo, Paramount Network, Pop TV, Smith,
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like channel after channel, Showtime, BET, which there's so many
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different pieces of media that are across networks, across platforms,
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across genre, across audience that This is a massive, massive
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thing that is happening. And I don't think that people
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really get it because we're so used to media being corporate.
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But even in the commercial breaks, as we're looking at
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different stories, we were talking about how so much of
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the news media that we trust is now behind paywalls
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as opposed to being free and having it for people
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to be able to have access to the information. If
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you are trying to go to the New York Times,
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the Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times online, or CNN, MSNB, MSNOW,
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NBC News, like more and more of all of these
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places are behind paywalls and there's less and less competition.
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The news was never supposed to be a space that
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was making profit. The news was supposed to be a
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place to inform the people, right? And when we think
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about the ways in which our television and corporate media exist,
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I always remember being in school. I was a journalism
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broadcast major And I remember one of our professors talking
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about like the purpose of corporate media.
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Right.
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You think about I think about ABC.
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Right.
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And how I my favorite show on ABC was probably
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Scandal over the years. Right. And the TGIT of it all.
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And like if you think about like why does TGIT exist?
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It is not because like ABC is just so committed
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to giving you great stories or because they really, really
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believe in Shonda Rhimes. It is because they are selling
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advertising between 8 and 10.
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Right.
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And if they get enough people to watch it, they
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can sell it at a certain rate. Right. Or they
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can sell it at a higher rate. It is not
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because they like are really committed to the story of
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Olivia Pope.
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So does that mean now maybe we'll see the rise
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in these nonprofit newsrooms? I mean, I know, for example,
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many times I'm going to go to CalMatters now, not
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only because it's free. but also because it's not corporate,
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and so it seems to have less biased coverage. And
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when you get into a Bari Weiss, who's now running
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CBS News, under a Larry Ellison, who was sitting on
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the dais with Trump during the inauguration and has given
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hundreds of millions to his campaign, there's another factor. Yes,
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there's paywalls. I mean, CNN was free yesterday. to read
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their news until about two months ago. That's a new paywall. NBC,
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new paywall. MSNBC, new paywall. So the commercial outlets are
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getting more and more profit-oriented, predatory. And so does that
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mean the nonprofit news agencies will see a boost, I hope?
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I think so. I mean, we've seen like a big
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rise in like independent media. And I think like the
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big names that we think about when we think about
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that is like we think of Joy Reid and we
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think of Don Lemon and we see a lot of
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people on Substack and we see those kinds of things, right?
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And I think there is a lot of use in that.
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There's a lot of value in that. And also those
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people are not as resourced. Ask CBS or CNN or MSNBC.
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I mean, it's a shame you got to go to
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Al Jazeera now because they don't have a paywall.
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Right. And, like, they do great reporting.
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They do great reporting.
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Absolutely. Or the BBC or things like that.
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Well, the BBC has a paywall now.
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The BBC has a paywall now.
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And that's also new. That's only the last few months. So, yeah,
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it is harder to get the information, and the information
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is more skewed.
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Well, and I mean, I'll nerd a little bit here
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with another journalist, right? I've been really... interrogating with myself
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the relationship between newsworthiness which is how we as journalists
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decide like whether or not a story is worthy of
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being part of the news right there's a relationship between
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newsworthiness and profit that is really problematic.
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Right it's the clickbait uh Venn diagram.
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Yes. That starts to become a circle. I remember working
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at NBC Atlanta, WXIA 11 Alive News. Shout out to
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the people over there. And like, I remember sitting at
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the news desk after a broadcast with our main anchor.
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Her name was Brenda Wood. She was at WXIA for
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30 years. And I was asking her, like, I keep
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hearing people always talk about the news is so negative.
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I don't watch the news. It's this, it's that, it's blah, blah, blah.
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She was like, that is people say that all the time.
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But like, what comes on right before our 11 o'clock news?
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And I was like, law and order? She was like, yeah.
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And like, it's one of the highest rated, longest running.
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things because people like seeing crime. They like to see
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negative news. The whole, it bleeds. If it bleeds, it leads.
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That's a thing. She was like at 11 alive at
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that time, we had done a long stretch of like,
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let's leave with good news. Let's start off with the
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great things happening. And the ratings tanked. Right. Nobody was watching.
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When we went back to the chase, the murder, the killing,
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the kidnapping, whatever, the numbers came back. And there's some
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negativity bias that we can talk about psychology there. But also, like,
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these are the things that make money. It's not about
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whether or not this is something that the public needs.
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It's about whether or not it's going to get people
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to tune in so they can make money and do sales.
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And when I think about this, this feels like this
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with the skydance.
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I mean, that's true. But also there's which crime are
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you covering? And what's your perspective on said crime? I mean,
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I think that's where the CBS, you know, um, sort
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of ultra conservative agenda comes into play. The Fox news,
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ultra conservative agenda comes into play. How are you covering the, um,
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supposed smash and grab, you know, wave or the smash
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and grab presidency? It depends on the, there is a
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point of view issue.
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Um, And we see that, I think, about this in
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the ways in which we see black folks getting covered.
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Right.
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Exactly.
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Or not getting covered.
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Getting covered, not getting covered.
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Who's missing? Who's hurt? Who's been shot? Right. Which crime?
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Which crime?
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Exactly.
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Which crime are we covering? You know, if it bleeds,
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it leads. But there's bleeding all over the world on
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the left, on the right. White people are bleeding. Black
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people are bleeding. So there's still bias even in the
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so-called negativity area. coverage.
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And even if you think about like how many stories
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of kidnap of a missing woman, how often has that
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story been about a brown woman, a black woman, a
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black girl, right? Oftentimes it is a white woman, usually
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a blonde white woman. Why does that happen? Is it
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just like white women are just getting snatched up everywhere?
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It's like, no, look at the data and you can
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see how many black women have gone missing and never
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got their story told.
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All right, let's go to Paul calling us from LA.
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Good morning, Paul. You're on the air with Jared Hill
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and Dominique DiPrima. Welcome.
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Hey, Dominique. Hey, Jared. Great conversation you two are having.
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A couple of things. I just want to throw my
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thoughts in it. On just what you were talking about,
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we've talked about it before on your show, Dominique, that
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the Nielsen Report shows that we watch more TV than
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anybody else, right?
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Yep.
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And the main thing that we watch is cop shows
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and their news networks. And it's interesting because I always say, well,
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why when something happens, our initial reaction is we got
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to see what they say or think about us. And it's, it's, it's,
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I find that real interesting when we have, for example,
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black independent media that we can go to ourselves to
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get informative information, factual information, because when we go to
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their networks and their mainstream media, we know from after
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you guys bought a Reagan and the fairness doctrine, once
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that was removed, the, you get a tainted image and
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perception and narrative, especially when it comes to us. But
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we end up making some of their largest demographic groups
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of people that watch their media. And that's just odd
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to me.
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I think you are hitting on something that is important,
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like Black folks who watch a lot of TV. But
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I also remind you, Black folks are 13% of this country, right,
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when we think about The people who are watching television
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and consuming media. But I think also like we are
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a culture that has been kind of trained, shown like
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this is how we we get information.
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Right.
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You go search looking for a piece of information, whether
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that's on television or radio or what have you. I
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don't I don't think that that is inherently bad. I
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think when we think about the ways that our media
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tends to be inherently racist. I think that is because
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people are racist, right? When we look at the people
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who are running these companies, when we look at the
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people who are our managers, our bosses, or whatever, in
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a lot of the mainstream corporate media, it is not
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like you are an overtly racist, awful human being. It
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is you have been conditioned by the same system that
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all of the rest of us have been, right? And
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so you inherently will have an anti-Black, pro-white, white supremacist,
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patriarchal lens on the world. And you report your stories
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that way. You choose your stories that way. What is
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newsworthy shows up in that way. And again, we oftentimes
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see in corporate media the prioritization of missing white women.
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We see the prioritization of various different kinds of things
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in that way.
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I get that. I think that's right. But we're also
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talking about where we get our info and that's what
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we're trained to do. And I think the suggestion is
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that perhaps we need to support more independent media, support
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more black-owned and operated media. But we do watch too
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much TV. I mean, I think that's one of the
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problems with our educational outcomes, and it's one of the
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problems with our political outcomes, because people are buying into
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these talking points, not just the talking points from the commercials,
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which we're getting right now that are misleading us about
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all kinds of things with these propositions, but also the
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talking points about ourselves, right? Black people ain't ish. We are,
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we're criminals. We better vote for this person that's saying
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they're going to lock us up. And I think that's
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what you're getting at. I'm not sure, Paul, this is
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that kind of where you're going with it.
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No, you both make up great points. And I just
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like to hit, I'm one of those people that I
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could feel I could be open-minded and believe there's two
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truths to something, like both sides are making really good
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points to this. And when you really critically think about it,
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but remember, you talked about earlier these polling and stuff
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they put out and the propaganda they put out, his
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popularity is low. And we have to remember, going back
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to what you were saying, Jared, that 71% of the
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electorate is white people, right? And of that 71%, 41%
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in the 2024 election were uneducated. And what you're saying, well,
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what are these people doing? Well, they basically have radicalized
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these people to basically vote based on white fear. And
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they're coming to take our country from us. They're taking
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your job.
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Hold that thought, Paul. We're going to continue this convo
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when we come forward, only right here. Tossing the mic
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back to Jared Hill and Paul from L.A. because you
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guys were chopping it up and we wanted to continue that. Hey, Paul.
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And I'll just leave it with this, just tying it
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all together. King, when King was in jail, he basically
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spoke to those police officers and saying, those white police
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officers and said, you know we have more in common
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than you believe. Fred Hampton spoke across the aisle to
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people regardless of the color of their skin and said,
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you know the system as a whole and what it
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does to divide us. The example I provided for you
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guys in real time of what's going on is this
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is how they keep people divided based on race, based
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on taking while they control the tax code and not
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pay attention to where all the wealth is being accumulated
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and going. So on this last part of it that
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I just want to hit on, the problem of the
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situation is this. They wanted to break the middle working class,
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and that goal started during Reagan's administration. And how did
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they target it was through deregulations and basically tax cuts.
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And they said trickle-down economics wouldn't work and work itself
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down to the working class, and it never did. And
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people got to look past the boogeyman to understand what's
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going on here. It's a class war.
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Yeah. I mean, I think we can't underestimate the class piece. Paul,
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thank you for calling. I think we do underestimate it.
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We don't talk about class a lot in this country.
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No, I fully agree. I was going to say, and
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then he said it like, this is about race and
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it is about class. And those two things kind of
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map over each other in a really interesting way. And
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I think we've seen a few conversations that I feel
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like have gotten a lot of conversation. Excuse me. We've
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seen a few pieces of work that have gotten a
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lot of public conversation, I think, about Um, uh, Ava
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DuVernay did a book on, excuse me, did a film
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on the book. The book was called the show. The
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film was called, um, God, she did a book. There
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was a book. Um, I'm going to try and remember
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what it was called there, but it was a conversation
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around class, um, and the distinction between race and class
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and the ways that we, um, we, we think of
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them as similar and the same, but they're not quite
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the same. Who is the author of The Warmth of
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Other Sons and cast? Isabel Wilkerson.
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Wilkerson, yeah.
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Yes, she has a book called Cast that talks about... Yeah,
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I saw that film. Yeah, and Ava DuVernay made it
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into a film. And it really talks about, like, oftentimes
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when we're talking about race, sometimes it is about race,
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and sometimes it's about class and the way those things
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fit together in this country. And I think Paula's right.
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We're looking at class warfare and, I mean... You brought
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up Dr. King and a lot of folks talk about
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how like the reason that they came after him in
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the way that they did was because he was also
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talking to poor white people.
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Right.
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Because that was a class conversation to be having. So
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I don't think you're wrong.
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Also, let's squeeze in Corey. Corey, you know, you've got
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like a minute, less than a minute. Time flies on
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the radio. Good morning.
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Good morning, of course. Thank you for taking my call.
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I just wanted to add into that conversation democracy now.
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I didn't hear the mention of democracy now. and I've
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been a huge fan and super grateful for Amy Goodman
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and the team since right after 9-11. Thank God for
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finding them. I really feel like, you know, using Democracy Now,
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a free, independent, hardcore news agency that really, if people
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took that in on a regular basis, could really help
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their perspective on everything that's happening in the world. I
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don't really watch television, but Democracy Now is something that
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I catch regularly.
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All right. Yeah. Thanks for that.
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Yeah. I know a lot of friends that are really
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big fans of Democracy Now. I don't follow them a
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whole lot, but whenever I do see their coverage, I've
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really enjoyed it. And I think that we're going to
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see more and more independent nonprofit media, to your point.
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And also the bigger corporate media, I think when we
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are imagining the world that we want to live in
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and see We also have to figure out how to
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make that model work better because it is better resource.
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They are able to cover bigger stories. But the local media,
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the independent media is going to be really, really critical.
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JarrettHill.com, two R's, two T's. JarrettHill.com, you can get the book.
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You can get the game.
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Yes.
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And you can find out about the podcast. You have
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a podcast.
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Yes. All of those different things you can find me
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on the social media at Jerry Hill, Historically Black Phrases,
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our book and game. Go to historicallyblackphrases.com and we'll see you.
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I'll be back here next week.
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All right. Thank you so much, Jarrett. Reasons to vote next.
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We'll be joined by Republican Corinne Rankin. Should be a
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good conversation. KBLA Talk 1580.