Nik Turner

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Welcome to Control on Compete today by joined by a
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good friend from Anty Sports.
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How are you.
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I'm very good, Thank you. Yeah, it's great to see
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you again.
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To see you. You got in another peck jot from
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the report.
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It was it was an interesting system on the taxis
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and then tell me, well, it was kind of like
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we spoke to somebody and then they took my details,
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and then about ten minutes later somebody called me and
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then I jumped in the taxi. So it was quite
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efficient and then less efficient when I found out how
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much it cost. I did nearly split my water out.
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But what can you do at that point? You can't.
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That's it. They've got your hostage. But in saying that,
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I had a really good chat with him on the
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way here the sun shining. He asked me if I
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was a football or a rugby man. I did, and
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then he had a whole conversation about he was a
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Hibs fan and how rubbish both those teams are. So
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it's quite good.
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Yeah.
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Then you gave me a bit of history about Edinburgh
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population and he said that's about four hundred and fifty
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thousand here said, but festival week it's at one point
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something made crazy and he had somebody in the taxi
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that was there for four weeks. He said, what you've
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had You've been in a hotel for four weeks. I said, yep,
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that must have been expensive. He said, no, that wasn't
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too bad. Actually it was six hundred and fifty quite
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a night.
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Not too bad, Yeah.
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Not too bad. We're in the wrong industry.
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And I think we came back from Dreamhark and we
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were in Sweden and it was so efficient, right, everything
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was perfect.
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We came back to Edinburgh.
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People were getting stuck in the like. It was quite
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funny because you know how you get to be door bets.
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Somebody got stuck in that right, and then we got
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the boss back and then we came into this transpert
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butt and the boys stopped and he said, everyone's gonna
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have to go off the boss. We ran out of
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diesel and we're like, all right, so we all stood
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up and then he just put the foot down. Everybody
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were back in Scotland then, brilliant, brilliant. So you're going
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to be doing our horse for tomorrow. You're looking forward.
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I am really looking forward to it. Yeah, I've been
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buzzing for for a few weeks now, you know, as
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you as you build up to the events, obviously known
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I was going to be was going to be there
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for a good few months now, but you kind of
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just just something in the calendar, whereas, yeah, for the
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last last couple of weeks, I'm so excited and you know,
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and seeing the setup and and also just catching up
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with really good friends. You know, I've got partners.
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Here, meet you at the gate bubble and I like
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as well each other.
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It was yeah, and that's the kind of like that's
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that whole sports community is that most of the time
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everyone crossed paths, you know, and it just so happens that,
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you know, I've got a couple of business partners that
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are here this weekend and people that have done arenas
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for you know, I've just had had a chat with
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Gavin and that was the first ever arena that I consulted.
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On back take one, doesn't that?
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Yeah, that's the Yeah Tech Arena And it was Andrew Forster.
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From were you working on that back then?
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Yes, So Newcastle approached me and then it went it
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went from there, so and it was Joyo Tech's first
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arena after QMC, so it was quite a big one.
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Just so, is that how you made your through QMC?
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So yeah, So I was head of Esports at QMC,
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and we had a yoyo tech arena. So I had
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a yoyo tech office if you like, for two years.
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So my office was the arena, and and and again.
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Different programs on different PCs.
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No, no again, we so year one management of the
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PCs was shocking, James, Like, you know, we had two
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I apprentices and they spent because we had fifty two
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machines across two arenas, they spent ninety percent of their
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time just going around loggins updates, logins updates.
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Because even logans, when you're talking about even apic games,
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you've got to then go back to the hot meal like.
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Guest guest accounts. You know, we're birthday parties. And when
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we used to monetize the space really effectively, and you
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know people are coming in the dinner.
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You're in the plug of our company now.
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But then we got the Then we got the software software,
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and then management software changed everything because even I could
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manage the arena, so I could go in and teach,
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manage all the computers, all the software. So yeah, you know,
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not cheap, but for those people that use gig circuit,
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they know what, they work out what they're paying for.
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And you know, in year two when it came down
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to renew the contract, it actually paid for it because
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it's saved the amount of time it saved them in
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stuff that makes sense, so they paid it. So Yeah,
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so that was how I got involved with Yo.
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You know what I've always you're always hot in the button.
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There's always something that you know about that's coming over there.
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How do you how do you do it?
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Is it? Because you're like.
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You know it's it's I'm rich. I'm going to be
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brutally honest, hear James. I'm very lucky in that, I
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suppose almost right time, right place. So I've been working
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in esports and education for over ten years and if
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you think kind of like it really kicked off for
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maybe five years ago when the b Tech came out
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in England and I'd already been working in that space
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for four years and I'd jumped out of education to
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go and work for an esports company to build their
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education center. So I was already kind of like working
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in the background with like people like British Sports and
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other supplies. Yeah, and the b Tech came out, somebody
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came to get some advice at James at MC came
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to get some advice. Worked out that I'd come spent
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ten years as head of department, you know, where I'd
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introduced games development because I was already working on the
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board for the for the esports organization and said, Nick,
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you need to come to QMC and and run the
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esport So you know, that's kind of that's what happened.
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And then through that, because we were the first people
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to have the arena, all the eyes were on us,
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you know, and we started. I started to write blogs
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and documents for pearsons and things like that. And that's
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one I been about the time in the place. I've
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been there from the start, and I've been that journey.
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I've seen it all. I've seen all of the progression
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through being in the classroom. But there was a reason
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I left it education and you know, a couple of
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years back.
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In talking to you during that process as well, Yeah.
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And it was it was difficult. It was a difficult
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choice to make to go back into education, but going
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back into esports education was completely different. And I had
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the best few years at q and C.
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What did you enjoy more about it.
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Do you think I loved teaching? You know, that's why
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people say how could you be a teacher? And nearly
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every teacher will say because I like teaching.
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Because here's the thing that you see, I like teaching, Right,
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What is that about teaching?
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Like?
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Is it helping the kids? Has it seen them the
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struggles or helping support?
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It's it's giving back something that you know, we've all
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in our careers has always been somebody who has given
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us something.
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You always had that teacher on big yeah.
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Inspired you on. I remember my geography teacher at school,
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you know, and kind of like how that then led
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to me falling in love with geography and then doing
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my degree in geography and all of those sorts of things.
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So you know, I started out my first careers in
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media as a broadcast journalist to work for radio and
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had sat in my first company when I was twenty five.
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We used to broadcast seven days, seven days a week,
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so it was full on how did that was?
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I'll stop yea, yeah, so how did that work? Then
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about twenty five year old neck like what are you doing?
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Yeah?
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Second second, yeah, So I was, I was.
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I was a journalist and so I used to read
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news and sport on air. The client base we had
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was over two hundred radio stations. So I've read news
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and sport on over two hundred radio stations, most of
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them UK based when we used to have independent local
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radio in the UK, which we don't anymore unfortunately. And
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I used to train journalists as well, so I used
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to pick people, you know, when I needed new journalists,
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I would get quite often media students, not journalist students,
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because I found out, you know, I did a postgrad
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diploma in broadcast journalism, but it wasn't until I started
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actually working in radio that's when you learn the real job.
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So I didn't want people coming in with a pre
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you know, of what they were going to be doing.
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So it's like I wanted the person and I wanted
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the you know that the spark and the charisma and
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the confidence that I could then show in the ropes
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about how my company worked, because that company was really
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quite unique in what we did at the time, and
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that gave me a massive buzz and we won a
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couple of awards for training. And then family relocated. Me
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and my wife live in two hundred miles apart wanted
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to start a family, so we relocated. I still did
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a bit of radio, you know. Me and my wife
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went in radio, met in radio, so she carried on
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working in London in radio, and I did weekend stuff.
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But again, after running your business for like nearly ten years,
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and I was up at four in the morning and
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on air at six, finished at one, and then you
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do the business stuff after. So I was doing fourteen hours,
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fourteen hour days, six six seven.
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You always need to be like you're a craft anyway,
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So you probably didn't. You probably done more than did.
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That did me the world of good.
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Do you think yellow starts as well, all of the.
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Early starts, because I don't. I have no issue with doing. Yeah.
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So I've been trying to get myself up earlier this week,
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just to make sure it's going to be.
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Fifty eight. Yes, so spoon, spoon, spoon.
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I can't. I can't sleep till five to eight, six o'clock.
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Is I think you got a bed early?
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Yeah, see, fairly early.
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I trying to stay. I take it my bed before
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midday if possible.
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Yeah. No, I'm like mid I struggle with midnight on
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New Year's even from being honest, ten ten late night.
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Tens of late night for me. But when you when
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I used to get at four o'clock, I wasn't mad
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at nine o'clock, you know, But trying to sleep in
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the summer at nine o'clock in the evening's difficult. And
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if your team's on the teley playing football, yeah, so
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you'd stay up and then like the rest been games today.
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I had one year of it. A couple of years
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we did win, so yeah, but you know things I remember,
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like the Liverpool three nil come back I was. I
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was working in radio at that point, so I switched
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off at halftime. My fiance at the time of my
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now wife text me are you watching this? Put it
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back on, and then like you know, it was worth it,
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But in the morning I regretted it.
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So do you So what I'm said saying, do you
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enjoy that early warning?
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I used to love in the summer, four o'clock drive
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to work, birds singing, suns out.
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I don't think anyone should be a week at four.
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You do get used to it, you know, and you'd
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hone it as well. So I had all my clothes
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out ready, literally next to the bed, so I used
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to get up clean it. I'd have a shower before
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I went to bed, get up, clean my teeth, put
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the clothes on, get in the car, get to work
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straight in coffee first coffee start, and then that was it,
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you know, And I still drink a ridiculous amount of
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coffee now based on what I used to drink.
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I think I've got a coffee machine in the host
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which God glean beans.
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See, I see that's that's nice, and I do like it.
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I do like a cafe coffee. But yeah, I'm an
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and it's.
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A deffinite world. You should.
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going on. It doesn't really work for me if I
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go to bed. So that's weird. And so do you
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as well.
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a little glass as well. Because if I've got like
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the morning. And plus you do a lot of you know,
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how many boards, You're always on something else, You're always
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in your old webinars or what's the ones that you're
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So I'm chair of the Education committee for the Sports
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Trade Association, which is based in Chicago. I've been doing
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that for two years now. Yeah, it's great and and
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you know, it's one of those things that it gives
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me an insight into global e sports, which is so
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invaluable in what I do. So for example, in the
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last two years, we've managed to build the committee so
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it's almost like a global think tank. So I've got
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people from the UK and Europe, North America, South America, Asia, India.
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of my head. That's really important.
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It's no, there's there's there's a there's another link in
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that system escapes me. But but it's really important because
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then I get to see what's happening in all of
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these different countries and you know, like and one of
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the reasons that I'm here in Scotland right now is
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because obviously we met and started to work together with
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a few years back, and I kind of see how
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Scotland has developed and recent stuff that I've been doing
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with s q A here and but I'm seeing similar
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patterns a broad and it's usually abroad, tends to be
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they go straight for the online commercial vehicle to create
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programs because the private industry, private business, they can do it.
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they just get on and do it if they've got
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the investment, and then the formal qualifications follow, whereas in
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England we're much more formal, you know, and so things
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need to be adhered to. Accreditations important and but that's
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a process in its own right, you know. And I
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think for Scotland right now, you know, that's why you know,
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phrases is perfect timing because it's just kicking off. It's
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all kicking off like it's you know, the things that
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we were talking about three years ago, you know, and
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like battling for and trying to it's almost like everyone's
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caught up.
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And so who would you see if we were on
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power worth No then like you could see in a
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sense you're like England three years ago or like.
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not maybe let's say four. But give it another year
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and I think you'll be exactly where we were three
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years ago in England. And at that point it had
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all kicked off and it was all.
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both experience that you've got. It's great to think that
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you're in board and you can give that experience or that,
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you know, because that's what I'm looking for because they
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wanted to do it.
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But people, yeah, and I have to say, James, the
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team SQUA were unbelievable good, absolutely awesome, Like it was
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such an efficient process. They listened, they valued everything, you know,
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everything was clear. I knew, you know, I vetted the
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whole qualification and wrote one of the units for it,
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just to add somebody else did vet that unit for me,
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didn't vet my own unit, but it was it was
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you know, the process was really efficient and the the
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end result the qualification is an evolvement with what I've
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seen in England, which again is really but.
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that because you're always going to see okaill or you
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won't mind them.
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Here's one Yeah, you know, esports evolved so quickly, you know,
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that whole world, and you know the new qualification from
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the SQA reflects it, you know, and there's elements in
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there that aren't in any of the previous qualifications that
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I've worked on or seen and looked at or taught
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or whatever, you know. And I think I think Scotland's
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in a good place and we've got I've now for
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the first time, got a number of customers who have
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ordered kit facilities, you know, like they're starting to see
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that investment in the broader elements of you know, that
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not just gaming like esports, is of qualification and and
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the fact that you know, creating immersive spaces and what
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that does for engagement and recruitment and all of those
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things that that you know, we know and and you know,
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I've been banging the drum for for years over it,
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but I'm almost past banging that drum good, you know,
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and which is yeah, which is which is good because
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it means we've moved on, you know, And I still
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go to certain events and certain conferences, and you know,
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people have only just started the journey that that journey
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and they're talking about the things that we were talking about,
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a few years back, but with that same passion, you know,
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and like passion, I've never I've never seen that in
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any other area, James, Like, you know, It's like I said,
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geography was my favorite subject to schol absolutely loved it,
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hated it doesn't change my I hated it until it
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does over millions of years. But but it's I used
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to hate it and then it all clicked and so
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I really liked it. But you know, no disrespect to
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jograph things. You know, I'm a big fan, but that passion.
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There's more people that get involved with.
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The more brains are getting involved with in the more
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challenge you've got for it to evolve, for people to
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think a different way or try a different way. Size
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you've vowage and with the rate, and they can try
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different things that are I think that's what's going to go.
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And lots of people do. And it's like I would
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never tell somebody no, you know, if they've got a
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valid idea and they think it's gonna work, even if
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I don't necessarily think it's gonna work, and I think
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it's that's not gonna work. But I want you to
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go through that process to see that it's not gonna work,
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not unless they not unless they're gonna invest, like you know,
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I'm gonna put one hundred grand on my own money
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and mortgage my house. But no, no, no, honestly, please
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don't do that. But most times they're just small little
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things you know that you like teachers do and things
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that happen in the classroom so I'll go for it.
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See what happens, and do you think then there's more
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through the independent schools, colleges, high schools.
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What would you see? Would you see the moors the
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the worst?
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it really flucks and has done for years. So originally
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it was all about the colleges, all about the colleges,
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and then the colleges got on board, loads got on board.
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And then like a couple of years after the second
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can waive of colleges woke up and said, a minute,
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their competitors are doing it. We're missing out. And then
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in that time there was like one or two independent
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schools that dipped in, and there were one or two
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schools that dipped in. While all that's going on, you've
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got the universities have suddenly realized that hang on a minute.
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So I think I think the last time I did
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my research on UKs, I think there's seventy two esports
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courses available at university level across thirty six institutions. I
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think that was the last stat for a couple of
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months ago that I worked out, which is phenomenal because
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previously it was only like two places and it was
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really specialist courses. So we've got the college and we've
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got this end like the universities. And what's happened is
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schools are now getting on board big time. Yeah, like
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secondary schools, even some of some junior schools getting involved
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in a smart much smaller than capasity, but we're doing
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a lot more business excuse me with Yo Yo tech
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and with my services at MT Sports, like with quality
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control of those with schools, which is great because you're
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creating that pipeline. And then I would say in the
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last year and a half, the independent.
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Schools put by in between high school to college from
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school college and that's what they want. I mean, you'll
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owned more about high colleges to them. It's very important
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for them to get that students coming in from high school.
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that progression ate was really important. So we used to
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do it, just as an example, do level one media,
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level two media, level three media, and then we delivered
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a degree so we could we could keep students, retain
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students for like six seven years and you're guaranteeing that pastor.
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And when you've got schools all the way through university.
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That means that path through is solid, so it's sustainable,
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but also it means the university is constantly after up
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their game.
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So here's the thing. So let's fast forward.
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If you can start to get the gree horses at colleges,
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which and all you can, surely university will order a minute.
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That's what we do, they saw hawfully, and then you
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will start to mogulate to one one thing.
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You pay me to one of their savor and your
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unit it then yeah.
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in September twenty fourth, so and lots of colleges are
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able to deliver H and d's because it's a B tech.
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or you know, they're sort of keeping them from the
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H and D. But most colleges sort of traditionally sixteen
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to eighteen year olds that are delivering degrees as well,
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they're delivering them as a satellite center. So we used
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to deliver degrees so validated by the University of Surrey,
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so it goes through their validation process and Surrey say yes,
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we're happy with you. You can deliver a University of
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Surrey degree from your college because you've got the facilities
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like they do, you know, places like Wiltshire and and
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you know there's quite a few colleges now that deliver universities,
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but they generally work for a delivered them on behalf
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of another university.
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Okay, so what would so here's one feel because you're
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very much on it and you're very much right in it.
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How many different variations of esports degrees have you seen?
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They're all touching on some business? Yes, what do you
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think work?
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And what do you know what some things?
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There's definitely been a bet where people think, oh, people
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just stacking esports on to say the train attract students, right,
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But which ones do you think are give the most value?
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Do you know what? James, I wouldn't like to pick
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one out, And I'll give you the reasons why. There
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are so many different degrees in esports and you can
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have esports with marketing, esports, broadcasts, production, business law. You know,
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there's so many variants. So therefore the quality of that
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degree depends on where it's being delivered and who's delivering
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it also relevant on what the student wants.
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Yeah, and what they can get a job wise after that.
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If a student is lot, they've studied law at a
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level and esports.
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Long modules, you could have a degree, so you could
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have a law degree that has an esports module. Law
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doesn't have to be an all esports degree.
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Oh yeah, so you do a lot of them are
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like marketing with esports, you know, and and and that
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sort of thing. And students will then join the same
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students who are doing a full time esports degree for
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those modules, so they're in those lessons. But yeah, you know,
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I had a student who was doing law A level,
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business A level, and esports B tech. I don't remember
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a conversation with her going interesting combat and she said,
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I said why, He said, all right, because I want
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to go to university. I don't want to do law,
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but I want to work within law within esports because
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at the moment there aren't many esports lawyers about This
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was four years ago. So I need to understand the law,
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but I need I need to understand the esports. I
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was like place switched on, you know, like that's that's
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that's a great idea and she went on to university
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to do law.
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But she's how easy do you.
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Think it is for people are switched to on to
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think they may want to do that? Depect these courses? Now,
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who do you think of that?
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I think? Yeah, I think again, it's over the years,
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it's it's grown and evolved so much that the teachers
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that are delivering are able to have those conversations and
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explain to these people, you know, to these learners, like, yeah,
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but there are all of these different careers you can
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do that, and you know how you go about it
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either way, most of them sort of like the college
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courses and the skills that they're learning and all transferable
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and could be taken into lots of different industries. So
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if they then choose to do something on the side
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or specialize at university and something else, they can use
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all of that within the esports industry, because let's be honest,
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you know, twenty years ago, esports wasn't even called esports,
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and when it kind of blew up, we esports just
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stole people from other industries. All the broadcasters.
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Networks it absolutely see on LinkedIn obtaining people coming from
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a big, massive networks coming over to the esports and
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that's only that's good though.
519
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Yeah, it's good because they bring in that kind of
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like initial knowledge, whereas now education is delivering those skills
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but within the context of esports, and you know, that's
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that's kind of inevitable. And I think when the you know,
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one of the reasons that NTY sports kind of kicked
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off started really was was just to the demand of
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suddenly this esports qualification came out and people were being
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asked to teach it esports. They may well have been gamers, so,
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you know, and so they understood that, or they might
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have watched esports didn't really understand the industry, or they
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were sporty, or they were computer based. So like my
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teaching resources, like when I started telling it's just over
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twenty one thousand, I'd still wake up in the morning
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and go because I don't every day before every day, Yeah,
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that's it. I just I put it on and there's
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another thing. But you know, I certainly didn't set that
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up to as a revenue stream. I set it up
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because people were asking me like, have you got any resources,
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and I was like, yeah, I have. I spent months
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preparing these because I knew the BEATECH was coming. You know,
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I worked really hard and they're really nice. You know,
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they look nice because I wanted them to look cool
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for the students, because the nature.
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Of the course to engage with them.
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I wanted to want them to them to go, and
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they go, this is esports. He's got a character from
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Fortnite on here or whatever, and so but then I
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realized it's in a minute. There's there's a lot of
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teachers that are like crying out for resources and more
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traditional subjects like media and you know, you could go
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on to t yes and there's thousands of resources and
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colleges would have resources because they've been teaching it for
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twenty years, and esports there was nothing and again time
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lack of time and place. And you know, in that
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kind of time, do you.
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Know what, I give you more credit?
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And I don't want to say like Tame's probably got
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a part of it, but you've got to make it happen.
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I think you definitely make it happen.
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My wife always says it's about you know, taking the opportunity,
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seeing the.
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Opportunity, and you're talking about working Tame. If you're always
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you're going to hit everything do you know what I mean?
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There are there are things still and there have been
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things in the past that.
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I've he's a hunger for it.
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Do you think, yeah, I mean you've done the graind
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you get as do you think you're looking forward to
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the tame where it's even easier?
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I would, I'd like to get to a point whereby
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I at work less, but I don't mind the grind,
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you know. And and like when you're kind of working
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for your own company, you know, you I'm effectively self employed,
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but employed by my company. It is down to me,
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so you have to put the graft in because you
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never know when your next contract is going to end
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or when your next new contract is going to turn up.
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And you know, that's quite scary, the same as I'm
577
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used to that from from my business side of my twenties.
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So you know, at the moment, my quality of life
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is good. I'm happy, you know, and that's the most
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important thing, you know, Like I get to spend a
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good amount of time with my family, I get to
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come to events like this, you know. When I was
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a teacher, obviously you're you're chained to the classroom each
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Monday to Friday, it's hard to work.
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You know.
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There's a reason why thousands and thousands of teachers start
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teaching and within the first six months they leave. There
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is a reason for all that. Yeah, and they're always
589
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struggling to find new teachers, you know. And I went
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into teaching as somebody from industry to teach media, thinking
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I'm going to go in, I'm going to tell them
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all the stuff I know this is. Look at all
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these examples I've interviewed these people. That's not the reality.
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It's just it really isn't the reality. And you know,
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one thing I used to say it or so I
596
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have teachers they get like all the summer off. Yeah,
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you when you speak to any any teacher who's done
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it for a little while, Like now, I resent that
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comment a lot.
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Because it's difficult as well.
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You need you half your time social work, you're dealing
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with and things have changed so much over the years,
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you know. But in sand that I also did love it.
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It was the red tape and and and which is
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why I go into colleges and talk because it takes
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them back to teaching.
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You know.
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It's like, oh, yeah, I'm come in and talking about
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sports and.
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I'm moving forward to seeing your certainly talk tomorrow, buddy.
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Thank you. Yeah, I'm really looking forward to it. First
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time as host, so yeah, I'm looking forward to it. Thanks,
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thanks for inviting me and thanks for getting me on.
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Thank you, buddy, James