Critically Acclaimed #402 | Street Fighter, Whalefall, Sense and Sensibility, The Social Reckoning, Tenzing

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hello, everybody and welcome back to critically acclaimed the only movie review podcast where we review movies on a podcast My name is William Bibbiani.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am a film critic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I write for the rap and everybody calls me Bibbs and this time on critically acclaimed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're doing things a little different with me side old was not able to be here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have a
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[SPEAKER_01]: really fallen into the fall season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's movie after movie after movie and I've seen like 15 movies and he's only seen like seven.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So in order to make sure you guys get all the reviews you want with a nuanced and balanced approach.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have a special guest to review half the movies this week and then Whitney and I will be on later this week with the other half.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But we are going to be talking to my illustrious
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[SPEAKER_01]: colleague in arms.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is Katie Walsh.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hello.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hi.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hello.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Katie, you know, you probably know Katie from everything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You do a lot of podcasts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You do a radio.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've done KCRW press play together multiple times.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You've had, you've had reviews written in the Los Angeles times.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where do people mostly find your work?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I review films every week for the Tribune News Service.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's a newspaper wire service that goes to papers all over the country.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm in the Chicago Tribune, really often.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm in the St. Louis Post Dispatch, the Spokesh book and Spokesman.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you are America's film critic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's, yeah, I do have a friend who calls me that.
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[UNKNOWN]: Really?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's not even that clever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's an amazing thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know, it's kind of a lot of pressure, because I listen, I do think that they're the health of the film criticism.
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[SPEAKER_00]: field like relies on many different voices being involved.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't want to be the only arbiter of whether or not a movie's bad or not or good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I am in newspapers all across the country.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I always say everyone's dad's favorite film crew because people will come up to me and say my dad loves you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so because I'm in like, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like more regional newspapers and older people tend to read newspapers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So a lot of dads are reading me Yeah, now I used to you know, I grew up in LA.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where did you grow up?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm from the Virgin Islands Are you really?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I never knew that about you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's amazing Yeah, I'm from St. Croix in the Virgin Islands.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is so fucking cool
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I have no idea what the newspaper system is like over there, but I grew up in L.A. and we had a lot of local papers that I like weekly and the pasted in a weekly and Los Angeles times, pasted in the sternus, and I knew all the critics who, I'm not personally, but I knew them and I would be like, oh my no, my guard just wrote one today, like we are in the same critics group as Manila, and I am still terrified to talk to her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which is not an L.A. film critic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not an L.A. film critic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, she had to resign.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think the New York Times allows any of their writers to be in critics groups.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Really?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because I think Alyssa Wilkinson had to resign from- Oh, I was wondering- I thought I had a secret in a while.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I bet Menolo used to be like the president of Lafca.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's a big-she's a big-muckity-mucker.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've so much respect for her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But my point is that I grew up with a lot of meeting these people in these papers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just knew their name.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I guarantee you there are people who- You know, we like to think of older people reading newspapers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But film criticism has been increasingly-
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to say niche, but it's becoming way more like laser-focused.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like people who are interested in it are super interested in it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And people are casually interested in it only in kind of right once in a while.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: People who read us read us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I have a friend now who's like, oh, I grew up reading you in the paper.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because she's yet my daughter the knee.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've had that too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is very sobering.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she's like when I was in high school in Portland I would read you in the newspaper and I'm like okay, let's not pretend I'm 15 years older than you But that is the reality It is cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like you you've ushered in a new generation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean it's so funny because I'm always like even to this day I'm like
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[SPEAKER_00]: They print this in the newspaper.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm just at home writing my little missives.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's kind of thinking about my editor reading them, but I do not think about other people reading them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's really, really weird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, everyone thinks of writers as like, you know, it's kind of like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of glamour as you get your name out there, people read your stuff, but like, seriously, we spend most of our time indoors staring at a screen, and all of that stuff where people read it is happening well outside our field of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think about it at all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then like, publicists will be like, do you approve this quote or like someone will mention they read it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, wait, you read, like, oh my god, I feel- I hate being perceived like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I gave my name at a bookstore because I had like an account thing and the guy which was like oh I know you and I was like oh I am extremely socially awkward right now and I totally bombed that conversation and it was super nice they're very very nice but like I just
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, we're not celebrities.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not celebrities.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're indoor people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're very indoor people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's true.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, listen, I'm very excited to talk about some movies with you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I see what screenings all the time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We chat about these things anyway.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this time on critically acclaimed, we're going to be reviewing the new video game adaptation Street Fighter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not to be confused with Street Fighter the movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess this is a feature film.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've got the new survival, we've got the new survival of thriller Whalefall.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've got the new Jane Austen adaptation, sense and sensibility.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've got Aaron Sorkin's new attempt at relevancy, social reckoning, and the really luscious biopic
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[SPEAKER_01]: And why don't we start with Street Fighter, which has, you know, big ol' legacy, not just in video games, but also in movies, whether the first live action video game adaptation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which, what's weird is that there were a lot of live action movies about video games before there were movies based on video games.
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[SPEAKER_01]: because we had so much like about people like playing like strong war game yeah um uh what was that one with that me Coleman uh it's not flight of the navigator a cloaking dagger uh cloaking dagger rules it's like this kid finds like like a secret like government code hidden inside like an Atari game because he's on the run and this like
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[SPEAKER_01]: He has this really strained relationship with his father, so he has an imaginary friend who is his father, and he treats him like a video game protagonist, send it to Daniel Coleman, and it's just, it's really trapped in him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm telling you, Daniel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Daniel is great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the first actual video game adaptation was the 1993 Super Mario Brothers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Those are his live action ones live action.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, there were a couple of animated ones before And I think I think I actually came out in the same day in Japan There was one that was based on a game that I don't think was ever very popular here in his name is escaping But there was a super Mario Brothers one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and it was animated.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was animated It's never been officially released in America although you can find a translation of the subtitles online and it's super duper weird And it introduced various elements to super Mario that people don't
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[SPEAKER_01]: No started there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the idea that the Ouija is taller than Mario, that was from that originally.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The idea of swinging Bowser around by his tail, which we now take for granted, that started there, the flying airship, that was there, like, Have you seen it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I have.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is a very strange experience because a lot of the things that we take for granted about the characters weren't like solidified yet, so like at the beginning, Mario and Ouija are running like a grocery store, and it's like, I think they were always plumbers, even in the game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's, that's just a weird choice, and then there's like this
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[SPEAKER_01]: magic dog who it turns out as a prince who's never been in the video games and he kind of like Snipes Princess Peach away from Mario before they can kiss and it's like oh sorry we're engaged and we're happy together It's like what fuck?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I had to say the 93 Super Mario Brothers was super formative.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember seeing it in the theater.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh god, my could not convince my parents to take it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, my parents were very strict about, like, arraided movies and, like, violence and horror, which, of course, meant that as soon as I got to high school, I was, like, consuming as much horror as I could possibly could.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, um, so that was my rebellion and becoming a woman.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, um, that was cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but I don't know if it was because it was, like, based on a video game or something, but my mom dropped me off at the theater
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the funny, the funny story about this is that I was talking so much that my friend Clara got up and moved away from me in the theater in the middle of the movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She just like, I'm trying to pay attention to the plot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are really deep themes that are being explored.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But re-watching it, I'm like, oh, and also this also, this is also what I think about Batman forever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I was obsessed with Batman forever and that was super formative for me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that was like maybe,
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[SPEAKER_00]: a few years later.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've only recently discovered that that's like a lot of people sexual awakening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, mine 100% was my sexual awakening.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was like, oh, the cold kid man looks great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, mine was Chris O'Donnell.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, so that was that was I literally like saw Chris O'Donnell and like my body like started puberty.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I'm ready to go, but I would not say Super Mario Bros. was that for me, but revisiting it, I'm like, this makes a lot of sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Does it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I like have a huge thing for Bob Hoskins.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that must have been where when it implanted.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not who Frey brought your rabbit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I liked Roger Abbott, but I think it was too young to be kind of turned on by him, and I definitely won't say it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's like, oh, it's Bob.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, I love Bob.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and I actually got to have a host screening of the Morton Genko cut of Super Mario Brothers, which is the unofficial director's cut that like, what is online?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and it's like these guys who are obsessed with Super Mario Brothers,
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[SPEAKER_00]: found a secret VHS tape and some like eBay or like some like online auction that like happened to be like the dailys that were cut out of it and and then there's also like this all this other drama that happened were like they hired this guy to like help them re-cut and restore it and then he like posted it online and then they got it and then they got it to take journey.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fight anyway it's yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can see the restored cut on like an umbrella and print disk.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you need that, it's out there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't, I honestly, that's hilarious.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Whitney and I once recorded a commentary track for that for our Baytree on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're still available if you don't want to listen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I will stop talking about Super Mario.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, that's fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This, honestly, we are this podcast of its famous for anything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's our digression.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you're good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're very well suited to this material.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But what's fascinating to me is what happened with Super Mario.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was also what happened with Street Fighter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When they came out, everyone hated them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like then probably a few but like who who enjoyed thought they were weird and enjoyable, but like the I was in that demographic I was like 10 12 and those movies came out and we were all just like, well That's not what really happened Like in the game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like Street Fighter a little more a little closer But still like there were way off the town was off the genre was off in the case of Street Fighter
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I've seen the original Street Fighter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So like these movies, I feel like Hollywood had this idea that like video games, they're for children, which more often than that was true, back then, at least in the console gaming part of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But we are taking these weird things and we're going to fix them for mainstream audiences.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So don't play video games or like it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All you really did was alienate the gamers and then it was still to fucking weird for everybody else.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So nobody was happy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And for many, many, many years, everyone was just mad that the Super Mario Brothers live action movie existed and Street Fighter existed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, and the whole drag, and then they all get to the back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nintendo was mad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: About the... You were used to win another movie, again, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The 1993 Super Mario.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, they kind of like, unfortunately, gaming was still in a like, it's infancy to a lot of people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And...
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[SPEAKER_01]: people who didn't play games and weren't really quite close attention or didn't see what was actually going on artistically in them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're often looking at the movies and going, oh, so they're all shit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so now we're, I'm reminded that one like Lenny Bruce routine where he talked about how like when one of his like routines was put on trial, they asked someone to describe the routine and what he was mad at is like, well, he's not delivering it right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, so everyone's mad at shit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I said that but not the way I set it and it's infuriating And that's how like Street Fighter started again in a bad name and all these things and so But as time went on and we started to you know Vittagames started to sort of solidify In popular culture and I'm gonna respect some more popular than movies now or at least as lucrative They're more lucrative.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's both depending on the thing, but yes, and yeah, that's an industry many guys
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I feel like we started looking back on the early weird experimental films with a certain funness, like, say what you will about Super Mario Bros.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They took some big swings, they did some weird stuff, it's not like they didn't play it's safe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Street Fighter the movie, which
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what the fuck they were thinking, but they made it very, very camp, and it just absolutely absurd, the original live action of it with Royal Julia, and the thing is, even at the time, this was Royal Julia's last movie, and he knew he was dying, he was making it anyway.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he was supposed to do Desparado afterwards, but he didn't live long enough, who's supposed to be the bad guy in that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, wait, who does he play in Street Fighter?
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[SPEAKER_01]: At Bison, the name bad guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and he played him like, uh, Ken Jong-il.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was, that was his vibe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like this power hungry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: fame, hungry, over the top, laughable self-absorbed villain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he played it amazing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's one of the great camp performed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, I have to see this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's worth seeing just for a hand, but honestly, the whole movie is ridiculous.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But over time, we started just basically like letting Raul be the anchor, and be like, oh, this is what this movie is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think we've all gotten a lot more fond of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, I don't know, but like, I feel like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: 15, 16 years ago, they came out with Street Fighter, the Legend of Chun Lee.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Did you see that one by any chance?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, with who?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Kristen Kroyk from Smallville.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, I didn't see that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Was it like a straight-to-no?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Did it go to theater?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a theatrical.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They thought it was going to be a big, what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, no.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not how that worked out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do remember, I think I heard, I think the title sounds familiar, but I did not see it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They tried to take it more seriously, but it still ended up being campy and bad, and the fights weren't good, and so everything about it was pretty terrible, except Chris Klein, who played like, oh, and he,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it was either pure acting inspiration or a lot of drugs, but his performance is baffling in that entire movie and there's like a super cut you can watch on YouTube it's like it's he's only in the movie like overall for like six minutes but it's all spread out throughout the film
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can just watch all of his scenes, and you're just watching like a masterclass in what the fuckery.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it's truly- I want to watch that- Because when you were describing, I'm like, oh, no, I want to watch the movie, but I think I just want to watch this supercat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Of- of the second one, yes, just watch the supercat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the only one that's worth it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But now we're getting this new film, and it's such a weird beast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because in many respects, it's very, very faithful to the look of the games everyone looks right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it's also like even more it's like if this it's like a street fighter was only cut scenes and you were only watching it in an extremely loud arcade when you just hit puberty and you're sexually attracted to everything and you've just had like
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[SPEAKER_01]: 8 smickers bars like that's this very manic bizarre.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's moving.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The okay, so was Street Fighter ever a console game or was it just a stand-up arcade game?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was started out to stand-up arcade game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It eventually got ported over to the Super Nintendo and Sega Genesis, which were the first ones that actually like really
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they might have tried to do it on the NES but it wasn't like I'm not a gamer so that's just where I'm coming from but I do enjoy playing arcade games that I have played Street Fighter on the arcade um so that was kind of my only familiarity with it and like just you know through osmosis like cultural osmosis yeah I have to say like I had a high ish
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hopes I thought that it looked kind of fun in stupid and the trailers are yeah Like orval pack is in this and I was just like place Vega and I was like, okay Fuck it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fuck it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm in but I was like, you know I thought it had sort of a and I like Noah sent a Neo and I was like, okay This looks kind of can't be I do think in recent years that they that filmmakers who like grew up gaming have like nailed the video game
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[SPEAKER_00]: adaptation because it feels like playing a game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think some like the Resident Evil.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that really feels like playing the game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's probably the Naeplu Ultra of the video game adaptation only in the sense that it's like it feels so much like Gaming no it feels like a lot of people are mad because like in terms of plot and character It's very different, but the actual experience of playing Resident Evil.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's nailing it the visual look of it the cinematic language and I think the way that
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[SPEAKER_00]: he gets better over the course of the like he's fumbling tools and weapons and things and then he like gets increasingly better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like this feels like me playing a video game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like that's really like obviously a lot of movies like ever since like Don Bluth did like spaces and dragons layer of taking a lot of inspiration from films.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, as gamers grew up and started making films, more of that video game storytelling language, what found its way into movies, whether it was based on a video game or not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like a movie, I think of this like, maybe the ultimate video game movie is Sim Mendes is 1917.
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[SPEAKER_01]: which is permanent for the shoulder shot, it's full of like, oh god, how is he going to solve that puzzle with baby crying?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's going to be picked up the milk earlier?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, it's on the one quest, it's like side things, people coming in, people leaving.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's the end, if you send men as even said in interviews, his inspiration for at least the visual style of it was watching his kids play Red Dead Redemption.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, so I do think and I just watched for the first time I watched coffee odd, which is a horror movie I missed for a few years ago, and that is a very survival or kind of Is that the Damian McCarthy, yeah, I did not have a game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't seen coffee yet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I got really good But I think he's I think he's just getting better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but that's super super strange But I do I think I think that kind of storytelling stuff Things are so many different types of movies right
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the thing was Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat in particular is that they were based on very particularly on like fighting and fighting tournament movies, Bloods Board, Master of the Flanky, it's seen it after the dragon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so there was already this kind of baseline for what this kind of thing could be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is the first one, this is the first Street Fighter movie that was actually about a fighting tournament.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, hey, that's right, there should be street fighting in this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What are we even doing otherwise?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But even though the fights are really, really cool and dynamic, and there's a bunch of crazy shit in there, and we've finally got the fireballs just because... Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It still is can't be in bizarre and strange as like the original live action movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's fucking weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I, I like appreciated that weirdness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it starts out, like, it's really leaning into the 80s and 90s of it all and the hair and the, like...
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's...
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[SPEAKER_01]: You could like, you could like forge a sword on it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's, you know, it's like really leaning into the character design the 80s and 90s of it and like I really enjoyed that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I liked that it was sort of multimedia.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The, the, all the flashbacks are anime style, like literally animation anime style.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then there's all these,
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[SPEAKER_00]: sort of like 80s TV, like VHS style, um, like exposition bits to you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You see can on the real world and hosting, like you can use spring break.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like, and so when the movie started, I was like, I think I'm going to like those.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then it kind of just, like, gets
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[SPEAKER_00]: bogged down by like incoherence and like obviously you can like figure out what's going on because it's like a very basic thing It's like there's this bad guy and there are these two, you know, friends slash brothers can and re-U who are now rivals and then You know they're coming back together and the bad guy wants to take all of re-U's power and he wants to suck him dry In a way that movie is extremely unparalleled at it
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[SPEAKER_01]: About like whenever like like literally in bison's like in a machine He's like sucking the fighting power to somebody they've been does small key and plays them And his eyes are rolling into the back of his head like oh, yeah, that's all shit
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[SPEAKER_01]: This movie is so weirdly warning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everything is warning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a scene in this movie where Chunlee, who's like, you know, she, uh, bison killed her dad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She wants her vans.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's always been her backstory.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she's also like a double agent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she's undercover.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so she's trying to get in bison's team, but his, like, lead henchwoman, uh, cammy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I, if she's amazing in this movie, she's having so much fun, but uh, then there's Mel Jarnson as the characters name, uh, the actors name.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but like there's a scene where she's great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's so much fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Chunlee goes to like a place where Bison's supposed to be, and he's not there if it cameyase, and she was like, oh, sorry, you just missed him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then she takes a bite of fruit, choose it for a second, and then drills it slowly into Chunlee's
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if this is a fetish, it is now someone sexual awakening just happened and a whole I just remembered that yeah, yeah, that's a bunch of weird shit like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Gail has a huge crush on Vega.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Gail has a huge crush on Vega.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I'm fine with it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I also like wanted it to be like maybe even pornier.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Does it get horny or like an mainstream cinema?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen a porn that isn't this horny.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know, it's like, like, you know, what does he keep saying?
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, he's like, he's so Spanish and sexy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I almost was very like on on the surface level, like openly horny.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I almost wish there was maybe like a little more subtextual.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You wanted subtext.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was your problem, she might be like, it's not a subject, but it's fine, it's like I think it's funny.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like, homerotic and horny, which I was appreciative of, I liked the multimedia flourishes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do think by the time that Roman Reigns shows up, I was like, okay, I was like, this is just devolving into mush.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the movie's weird because the basic plot is very, very simple.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the bad we got to stop him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They they trick everyone to come to this fighting tournament.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it's all just to like pull you out of retirement because he's the make-up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's making gross rom-in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He is thinking not particularly good looking ramen at the beginning, but yeah, no, but like, so that's the main plot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's very, very simple, very easy to follow, very Saturday morning, Matt and I, and then you have the emotional plot, which is almost entirely Ryu and Ken that there was closest brothers, there was a betrayal, their master died.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and they haven't seen each other in years and Ken's trying to prove his self-worth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Leo was trying to sort of reclaim his soul after losing himself to this violent fighting spirit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he also doesn't want to let himself go fully to letting the dark power he has to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's interesting to me is that there's the movie started reaching a crescendo and all the ship with a Kuma started coming in and a Kuma is that I'm I'm only going to get into that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that's that's there's a whole Wikipedia for that um it that's where that like the the personal stakes like uh crested that's where the movie like the movie ended its personal story and i was like and but we hadn't fought bison yet or anything like so just like oh my god so we're doing this thing and this is something that a lot of action movies sometimes do by accident which is
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[SPEAKER_01]: you conclude the story before you conclude the plot and then so like okay everyone's reached the a point where they know who they are they've come into their power they've accepted themselves they've buried the hatchet but now itself another 30 minutes of action left which is nifty but not as involving and I think better movies usually their exceptions uh kind of trying to make those kind of happen at the same time yeah so i was like okay well the last 20 minutes of this are gonna be
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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... kind of disappointing and then it just stops
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm not gonna say like, what's happening exactly, but man, there's cliffhanger and then it's just we forgot to end the movie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it does end pretty abruptly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know, I felt like all the, I felt like the whole cast was really fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you enjoyed the cast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone's having a good time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone's having a good time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I felt like Cody Rhodes who plays Gile, I felt like he was kind of underused.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I could have taken more Kodi.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't have, I mean, there's a ton of characters and they just decided not to give Gile a plot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they didn't give him anything, except being horny for Viga.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which is, well, that's enough for me, but I'm not in your movie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I mean, I was actually happy that Orville that Vega was like not just a cameo that they actually did some stuff to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We were sitting next to each other for a while and that was the one thing we were saying, it's like Orville Pax is going to be in this movie for like two minutes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he actually had more to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're going to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't have a lot of dialogue, but he's fine at it, you know, like he's good and he looks the part.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Vega is a very particular, you know, with character.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I remember when the cast and I was like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's a lanky, leggy dancer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's exactly what you want from that character.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's even got that diva mask, thanks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a little perfect, doesn't he?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which he finally apparently has started appearing without it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was horrible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he did get a cabaret.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He played the song.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, he did get a big cabaret.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I did get it without the mask.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought he did do it with the mask.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I already didn't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I thought he would do it with the mask.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to find out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One of us, Fred.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I already didn't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But regardless, it's just sort of like, oh, you're looking it up now, which is fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's totally fine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have to know why I will.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, this is rude because no, like we're here's the thing I want to know and I really don't Part of me never wants to see him without the mask.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I get just it would totally.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just going to look up picture.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just see him doing interviews and even that's I don't he is wearing a mask.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He is wearing a mask in cabaret Yeah, I mean if this is him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh shit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, well, I had heard wrong, I suppose.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's not wearing the full like tassels at the bottom.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, he's not wearing the full tassels.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's doing the Domino mask, fooling everyone unless you know the superhero person, only kind of thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I think, well,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, perhaps he did or not, but I'm seeing a lot of different images, but I don't know if it's all horrible, because no one knows what he looks like.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's true, I think he'd be a million people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It could be any one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like Santa Claus.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You never know if that Santa was one of his helpers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I think Street Fighter is kind of like hard to classify.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because when you review a movie, you know, you're basing it off of like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: What is it going for?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What is the precedent for that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is like so disinterested in things like narrative cohesion and character development, except for like two guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it kind of just defies basic concepts of quality.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good way to put it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think in my review, I included the line I've been thinking about a lot, which is what even is a good movie anyway?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like yeah, it's not a rigid thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of TV vibes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is a very vibes movie and the vibes are fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was never bored.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is a very vibes movie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good way to put it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and it's funny that you're like talking about like the emotional Corbing between Canon Ryu and
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[SPEAKER_00]: that we sort of have to hang a lot of our emotional connection on a guy who's wearing one of the most ridiculous wigs I've ever seen in my life, which is the Ken wig.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for clarifying, because I am notoriously incapable of recognizing wigs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't recognize that as a wig.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Every one I see, I would be like, if that's a wig, I just trust you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm gonna blow your mind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Gile is also wearing a wig.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that was my defense, that one I thought was a helmet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember I was extremely proud of myself for when I watched them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What was that Nicolas Sparks movie with Maggie Grace and it had like a gazebo?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Was it like the choice?
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[SPEAKER_01]: or something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was one of those.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was the guy who played...
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was the guy who was Patrick Bateman, American Cycle of the Musical, and Abraham Lincoln, and Abraham Lincoln.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, then then something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Benjamin and something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not Chapman?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's on it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's on it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's Benjamin and something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Benjamin and something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, that guy was an Nicolas Parks movie, and Maggie Grace played his sister.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that time I could tell it was a wig, which is how I knew it was one of the worst weeks anyone had ever worn in anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just going to let you in on a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I would, okay, I think in movies more often than not they're wearing wigs, because I think it's like just easier for them to not like style their hair and the consistent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I get it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or often than not they're wearing wigs, um, I believe the reality really good at clocking wigs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I can't believe that I can't match terrible as then I'm like, what?
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[SPEAKER_00]: People don't have long hair.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't move.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's very, a lot of hairspray.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why did we invent an aquanette if we weren't going to use it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm doing it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, I'm very nice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, so, and he's doing this really over the top like 80s, 90s thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's asking you to both laugh at him and go on this emotional journey.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that's kind of like the truth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a little torn between like, I'm this like self-aware kind of like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: meat head cinema, which it's very good at doing, but it's also like, here's the story of two brothers who are like, you know, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's no reason why you can't have both, but it's tricky and we don't really do it a lot in Western storytelling a lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a lot of like Japanese and Chinese films have a lot more, uh, what we might consider an erratic tone, but actually Korean.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah exactly and a lot of stuff we get over here tends to be this stuff that really matches more with an American like sensibility, but there's less stuff we don't that we have to track down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And who was the director, is he?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jackie, I don't think I didn't know him, but I felt like other people that he did that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What was that one?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Erika Andre show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was Cateo Saperai.
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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... who is yet he's a japanese born american uh... and yet he was the principal director of the air and ratio and he did uh... the movie bad trip which i despised is that the prank yeah and the country prank yeah yeah he was aircon drain little realm uh... and they like did a road trip and it was just fucking awful i remember that i did that movie so it wasn't like you know predisposed uh... to liking what he did but at the same time
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so he's an airconjray, um, yeah, which probably explains why you're a Donjray just inexplicably has a ton of screen time in this movie as the fight-in-outs So which is very weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I guess like you would I mean, it's not like I know this guy's work all that well I may have seen that trip.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I may be reviewed it on the radio or something It was I think was still during COVID lockdown Oh, and I remember it was like 2021 so it was a lot of cost from this everything's a block
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[SPEAKER_00]: Prank comedy is not my fave but I think that like if you're going for like this A reverent over the top kind of tone, which are clearly going for it works and and it's very like you know reverent to the
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[SPEAKER_00]: like style of the games.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm curious, like if, you know, people who love the games or love the movies, like it's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, and there are people I know who love the games and what they really are fascinated by, what they're really obsessed with, are the mechanics of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I can do a 300 hit combo, and I was like, oh, I'm matching buttons.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's how I play Street Fighter as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just hit as many buttons as I can.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like I use something happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You used to get a little good at it, but that's the things are long, behind me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, and a lot of people are interested in the game mechanics, and some people are really into the lore, and I suspect some of them might think this movie isn't taking themselves seriously enough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think this is far more in common with a lot of really broad sort of Japanese comedies like battlefield baseball I don't know if that came out and it's just that's very hyper kinetic Yeah, I mean something got a lot more personality than like most movies these days It's most studio films.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like they're if they're free to be this weird And yeah, that's one of the reasons why I think we still look back on
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[SPEAKER_01]: Super Mario the movie and the Street Fighter the movie from the early 90s was some fun It's because they they tried weird shit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, generic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, given that much Yeah, as I would make them good, but they were serious.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I were memorable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I liked the like it has all these 90s needle drops and and even when it's set during the 80s was drove me insane.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like 87 and 93
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ryu in the opening scene in 1987 is listening to four non-blons what's up on his walk man, and I was like, no No, yeah, that's like 93 94 no and and
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[SPEAKER_00]: then the most of the movie, the tournament is set during 93.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they have a needle drop to elastic a connection.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they have a white zombie more human than human.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Both of those songs came out after 1993.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course they did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I also, in my elder millennial loving heart, was like, I'm happy I'm listening to this song right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's a, there's a flattening of time that happens as different generations start making different movies where anything that happened in the 70s is all taking place at the same time even if one of these things didn't come out to 79 and one of them go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the wedding singer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The wedding singer just took everything in the 80s and said it all happened in like 85.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that happens to every decade if you wait long enough, like future generations,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's not when that happened, but okay, but I did, you know, I was sort of annoyed at the anachronisms and also like happy I was listening to this song.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's I can't get mad at it because it's that's not asking me to take it seriously, you know, it's like, yeah, okay, fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ken's going to get his own Gordita, Gordita, you got to 98.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's Taco Bell.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can only be so mad at this, the movie isn't telling me to take it seriously.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to be distracted and I'll make a note of it, but that's, if that's the worst thing that happened on the movie, the movie is the best movie ever made.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's move on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about another weird-ass film, in this case, it is called Waleful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is a story about a guy who swallowed by a whale.
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[SPEAKER_01]: but like, for realsies, not like in this Pinocchio.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not like in Joe Men the Whale.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Joe Men the Whale Pinocchio, the idea is you get swallowed by a whale and you live in a big cavernous place and you have a boat and you can get some reading done.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a bad, really.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And no, apparently you would really suck.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, it would really suck.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why I didn't think it would.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In retrospect, it sort of like, oh, yeah, that would probably be really bad and super gross.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's incredibly simple.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Austin Abram's resident evil, who's whole thing now is body horror daddy issue movies about his survival.
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[SPEAKER_01]: His dad died.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I bet Josh Brolin, he was dying and he,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, weighed himself down and jumped into the ocean because he was a scuba diverty just wanted to be where he lived.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like dying of cancer and he, you know, it's clear that he's just like tough gruff, masculine dude.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Go out on my own terms.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Who's like, I'm not going to die in a hospital bed, so he essentially commits suicide.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but he dies in a watery death and they never find his body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So his son comes home, son had a very difficult relationship with his father, even though the daughters loved him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he decides that it is very important to him to go scuba diving, which is that taught him how to do and try to find his dad's body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, as soon as he does that, he runs into a fight between, um, squid and a whale, squid and a whale, like in the, like in the
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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... he and uh... the sperm whale eats the giant squid the giant squid uh... it's like basically just like help me out today from the grab them and also names of course can't really help very much he gets sucked into the whale as well why didn't know because the trailers of this are very intense there's even like a billboard of scene in the way which is like two billboards joined by the giant squid tentacle uh... just fucking awesome i've seen that it was on the corner of pico and sautel i don't know if it's still there
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, there's fucking awesome great great billboard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but why I knew this well by well great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, intense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's what would that really be like?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good pitch for a movie and it was a novel originally
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know the squid was still alive and they're trying to kill him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes!
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's like, okay, well, that's just adding insult to injury.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know, it's like, do you want to get swallowed by a whale?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then do you want to be inside a whale's stomach with an angry giant squid?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When I was a kid, um, one of the very first things I saw in a movie that scared the living shit out of me was monster on Pinocchio.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was a sense of scale.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They did such a good job.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But like, Jimny Cricket's walking by what looks like a mountain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the mountain opens its eye.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and the eye focuses on it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, nope, that's no, no, no good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One of the other things that scared the crap out of me was the giant squid in 20,000 leagues under the sea.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this whole movie is designed to freak my shit out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, and I'm afraid of large marine animals as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I in college got really stoned and watched the movie, Kuntiki.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I got really scared of whale sharks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Those are big asses?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because they're really big.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're really big.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Think should not be that big.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't think so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the thing that freaks me out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's that there's an entire vast infinite functionally ocean out there full of liviathens.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know, but you know, they aren't really important to the function of the ocean.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, of course they are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm not saying I don't want to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Josh Berlin teaches us that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's less important.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, but like, was it no, of course it's all an ecosystem where you're like, I just don't want to know about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When it's like that, it's like when you're, when you come face to face with like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: a particularly like it's like most whales have those like kind of like Almost like those mustache every other call them like the mustache is in the mouth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just sort of feet on like a blue whale has like Like a filter what is it called?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember off that my head.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I Yeah, whatever, but like it's basically it's like a net and like the krill goes in and
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly, and everything else gets filtered out a sperm whale is a big fucking thing with like canine teeth giant teeth and that right there Reminds me that a there is any ecosystem and when it and in the ocean I'm at the fucking bottom of yeah and When they're like love crafty and in size yeah, extremely Disturbing yeah, this movie is love crafty and it is well it did some brand-duffields I think I think Director just write underwater with Kristen Stewart
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[SPEAKER_01]: oh someone else directed underwater yeah but yeah so he he wrote underwater he wrote underwater yeah I love underwater actually I wish I loved it more but I really respect it it's like alien under the sea yeah basically but you know really you bank yeah will you bank directed in brand-up field uh corroded or wrote it um yeah he corroded with William Adam Cozette and um
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's that people are in underwater space under our space station underwater, you know, science station there's a disaster in the first like two minutes of the movie and then they have to basically walk across the ocean floor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: to get to like another station or to survive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it turns out the disaster might have something to do with extremely giant monsters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's like, that's like, on purpose, lovecraft, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, like, I don't want to ruin it for anyone who's seen it and I'm like, how literal it gets.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But like, it's like, fuck, someone loves lovecraft.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Listen, I am giving my hearty endorsement of underwater, especially because Kristen Stewart essentially plays Ripley under the sea.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a huge fan of Brian Duffield's last.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I think so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I told me directed was no one can save you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which is fucking cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I actually haven't seen that one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's a nearly silent movie about a woman.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's what's her name?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the other.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not being a Feldstein from booksmart.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Katelyn Diver.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah Katelyn Diver.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's been like ostracized by her community.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She was like in love with a woman and she died and the everyone blames her forward or something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Aliens attack like the whole planet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh-huh.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And she's no one's there to say for her because everyone hates her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's just her alone in a house with aliens invading and it's fucking terrifying and the ending is amazingly good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not what you expect and it is a perfect ending.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it is such an incredible, I think what what Duffield is really really good at is taking these very larger than life premises and finding a way to make them
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[SPEAKER_01]: human relatable and the way that actually works.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some people just think that's as simple as adding a subplot and it's like, no, where is that connection to this?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because it's hard to imagine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or it's so easy to imagine because so many other people have done it that we take it for granted and it no longer feel, we know like a feel anything when we work with it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, here it's, there's like a half hour set up and also neighbors is such a relatable, like believable dweeb that I really care a lot about him and want him to be even by a whale.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he's inside a whale's stomach and he's basically just surrounded by squishy stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that it casually contracts and tries to eat him and then like, oh, just crawl through this hole.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nope, I am surrounded and stomach acid and it's burning through my hands.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, crawl back up and it's just constant air.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he, what Duffield does so well in this is like, visualize and make real the mechanics of a whale's digestive system.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Muscles contracting that could kill you like we watch Stemmix whale muscle and sphincter Like sphincters are the you know things that close these valves and Pouches off from each other, but these caverns and caves But we watch it like literally kill a giant squid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like it just crushes it to death Yeah, and now Austin Abrams is there as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now he has to figure it out and so it's like
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, and yeah, and then it's like at one point he spits blood into the water that he's splashing around in and it disappears and he goes, it's eating me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or he says it's chewing me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's chewing me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then, and then, you know, and he's protected because he has this wet suit on and, and, but his hands he forgot its gloves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and also he only has an hour of air he has an hour of oxygen and I think it's like really good setup in the beginning it's like he's in the dive shop they're telling him how and like some of the flashbacks to his dad teaching him how to dive or like explaining the mechanics of how this is working more for the audience than it's for more for the audience yeah but
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, while he's in the whale, I mean, it's so claustrophobic and gross and terrifying, and then we get these flashbacks, so it's like, it Duffield is allowing us and I assume Daniel Krauss, the author of the novel, it's structured the same way, I haven't read the book yet, but you know, it's like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: We get to escape this whale for a second to see him having a fight with his dad or to have him flashing back to some moment that he had with his dad and it becomes just like You know catharsis thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean you can very easily make a joke that's like men would rather get swallowed by a whale than go to therapy Because he has to go through this Yeah, thing and it becomes
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[SPEAKER_00]: really hallucinatory and spiritual.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The last act is bizarre.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can attribute it to the dive guy in the dive shop.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's talking about, oh, I had nitrogen narcosis, which is like, you know, if you're under too long and you don't have enough
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can start breathing, not the idea.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You start hallucinating.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we can say this is scientifically what's happening to him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's having nitrogen narcosis, but it turns into this like his dad is speaking to him through the whale and it's like this is all sort of like very hallucinatory thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's very earnest and it's ultimately a movie about grief.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I sort of forgive it for being that earnest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I do think the survival stuff is like the more interesting exciting part of the movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is, it's really tricky because like, I had a professor in film school who had a point about like, you know, tropes or any other sort of criticism you have about a story, which is, if you can't think of a better way to do that, maybe that's really the only way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when it comes to a story about a guy who is even by whale and that's the whole story, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How do you fill that out because it's so tiny so like funny so I think the opening act of this before he's eaten As long as it could possibly be before it starts losing my attention for sure, and then he's just stuck in there But he has no one to talk to There's no way to really visualize a lot of his thought processes and how he survives So you have to create some kind of structure where you can cut away
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you keep, but who do you cut to?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You cut to his dad because it's the only thing that's thematically relevant.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And after a while, you realize like, well, dad was a big scuba diver and so a lot of the things his dad teaches him are going to be relevant, but they were strange.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he has to kind of reject that and come to terms with that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And eventually, it turns into like this almost slum dog millionaire structure where like the whole thing is Doff Patel is in a weird situation that he would normally never be in and he would normally never excel at, but through sheer fucking flashback structure happenstance, he happens to know the answer to all the questions that we happen to him in his life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like that, except if you paid really close attention to everything your dad ever told you, you can survive being eaten by well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then it's like Josh Brawling going like, the ocean provides and then he's like, oh, I have this like squid beak that I can use to like, you know, chop at the inside of the way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The part that for me, I was like, okay, I understand it is very, very difficult to give this character the tools he needs to survive this situation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The fact that he happened to find
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was, that is probably the most stretching the, that was the one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But again, I don't know how it's to get him out there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I have to say, I think Austin Abrams is a really good job because a lot of times he, I mean, not only is he acting alone as he is in resident evil and he has to sort of be talking to himself, but he's acting behind a mask and through a regulator.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, most of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he's just eyes and then like kind of screaming and talking to himself like with a rubber piece in his mouth at some point someone realized that Austin Abrams does
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love that he screams in yelps and is like actually vulnerable and scared.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you remember at some point the MTV Movie Awards added their scared to shit award?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which was clearly for someone who was like, and the whole thing is they have to act scared and we take that for granted as if that's easy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think there's like a small clutch of actors in movie history who are perfect at it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cheryl Lee in Twin Peaks, Farrell, with me, is most incredible scary performance of every scene.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think Austin Abrams is good at that, and we don't even have a lot of screen kings.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, he's really good, and you know, with this resident evil and weapons, like he is really killing it on that front, I'm just like I hope his next movie is like something easy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Get them around, come.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Give him like a good at a wrong call.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let him like not be like in the elements.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it says that we had like resident evil body horror him You know dealing with the possibility of becoming a father and his whole baggage about that and we have whale fall his dad died dealing with his dad's
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, is that a issue is like getting swallowed by a whale and that was just two months in a row I know is there a secret movie in November?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's just gonna be him like I don't fucking know like his whole body gets turned inside out Like one of the one since Halloween episode Like I don't know but at some point is gonna come to terms with his dad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope his next movie is like he's like lying on a cushion eating bond bonds.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There you go
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're just going to get a good talking head thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be in the next before movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully he's in hoax and thank you great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't be son.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's move on and let's do a complete 180 because these are very much on movies and we actually have a really, really great chain loss in adaptation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I want to put words in your mouth, but I really, really love it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a great one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Georgia Oakley's.
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[SPEAKER_01]: sense and sensibility and incidentally we had Georgia Oakley on our five movies with podcast last week where we talked about five movies that influenced her career so it's just basically like me and Georgia Oakley for an hour talking about stuff like a woman under the influence and the piano and birth and a few others I don't want to spoil them all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that was really, really cool, but I was really, really glad to get her on the show because everyone's in a while when you interview filmmakers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have to interview people about a movie you don't like.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And in this case, I was like, no, I actually really like this adaptation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, until people let sense of sensibility when you like the groundwork.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so it, I mean, it's Jane Austen's debut novel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I actually didn't know it was the first.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it's from like 1811.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is, it is my team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that but I didn't know it was the first.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is what Wikipedia said.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, um...
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[SPEAKER_00]: Still more accurate than any I trust Wikipedia, more than anything, but it is about, you know, all of Jane Austen's novels are, you know, she's, the queen of the rom-com because like, she makes these Swoney romances that really set the template for the tropes that we see now in romance like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: enemies to lovers or friends to lovers and you know that her works are quite funny too extremely funny you know like sharp social commentary but i think the other thing that is always really important to talk about when you talk about uh Jane Austin romances is that um they are always about the structural realities for women in this time
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it is about the fact that it's not just I want to get married and fall in love.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's I have to get married because I need a roof over my head.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the reasons why I think her books still really hit today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's some of their contemporaries don't is that they're very self-aware about how shit things are for women even at that time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so a lot of times you can watch a costume drama and like look back and say we're kind of romanticizing this, but
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that's commentary.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We can we can use that to tell the story rather than either try to sidestep or try to shoot Hornet into the pre-existing narrative.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I think like you could say like, oh, this is like for a balladie because it's like flirtation and balls and writing letters and it's like, no, these...
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is survival, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's about this family, the Dashwood family.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's three sisters, Daisy Edgar Jones, plays Elinar, the oldest sister.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's very sensible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she's very pragmatic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, uh, SME Creed Miles, plays Marianne, the middle sister who's like wild and tempestuous.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then they have, um, I actually do not know how to say this girl's name.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh, uh, boat, oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you call you Ray BreathNet?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, Cody Ray BreathNet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who's really good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She was in a hamlet, and she was in that better than you think Jason State, the movie Shelter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she's true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you might write, she's young.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, you know, 10 or 12.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And she's really not in it very much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can think even less so than the English version.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But she, she plays the youngest sister and then Catriona Ball plays the mother.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they've recently lost their father.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so they're sort of desperately trying to figure out
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[SPEAKER_01]: who is going to be their patron and yeah the inheritance doesn't go to them because they're women so go to the nearest male relative who's like cousin who doesn't know brother something like that and it's like it doesn't know them so they know their house yeah he's kicks him out he promised like on dad's dad's bed to like take care of them and his thing is I'm going to give them the absolute smallest amount of money a month that they could maybe survive on and if it wasn't for
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[SPEAKER_01]: the generosity of an extremely distant cousin played by Fiona Shaw.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's so great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She gives them a cottage.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I remember in the angley version it felt and I love that movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's really lovely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love the angley movie too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The end.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Emma Thompson won an Oscar for writing for writing it and she stars.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And she's amazing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, truly amazing movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's slightly different perspective on it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like that one's much more colorful and the emphasis is more on the humor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a little bit more romanticized not a lot, but a little bit more and when you go to that cottage and sensibility Everything's kind of green and lush and pretty and in Georgia Oakley's version you get there and everything is like dry and dying and it's kind of a whole and That right there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's just even though it's otherwise.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a very faithful adaptation
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, that right there is the tone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's basically like this is not a fantasy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No one's supposed to be like projecting themselves into the past here This is about how things kind of sucked especially for women and and honestly also for queer men as well George McCay plays Eleanor's
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[SPEAKER_01]: love interest in the film you grant played the character of the original and he's portrayed as an extremely sensitive sweet man who is not made for this world and he's kind of only himself when he's alone with women and allowed to just be in his feelings and that's queer coded.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's also
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[SPEAKER_01]: His characters who I think really stand out in the angley version because like the husband was played by a Hugh Laurie and I think it was an eldest aunt and who played his wife in that one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's just two characters who show up later on this story and they have an extremely loveless marriage that is played very very much for last and Georgia Oakley casts in the role Hugh Laurie played a non-binary actor which adds a lot of subtext.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was just like okay so yeah
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's really interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, a lot of things like, oh, his love was married.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, G, G, I wonder, fucking why.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, people didn't have a lot of options.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is what you could do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think I, I like that you brought up a cottage because they go from this big huge estate manner.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think in the Georgia Oakley version, it's like the male heir, he kind of gets boss around by his wife who doesn't want to give them the money.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, she's a heritage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's sort of like just letting her boss him around.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But, um, is that fine, then?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, but he's kind of letting her run the show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the that like I what I really liked about this movie was led like textures the tears um realistic lighting realistic lighting there's a lot of really beautiful um outdoor shots because the girls are constantly outdoors and and I think you know I feel
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[SPEAKER_00]: the angley version like Kate Winslet and and I'm a Thompson or so beautiful on this but I love how sort of like wild the dashwood girls are in this they're they're hair is messy they're running around and romping in the grass they're eating berries and getting their face all dirty I mean like Esmi is like a wild forest nymph yeah and I love how sort of like uncamped yeah she was and so in proper
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I'll never find a husband.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But there's a very relaxed modernity to their gesture and posture and body language.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that feels good in you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But then also, it does feel period accurate with the interiors and the weight, weight,
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[SPEAKER_00]: houses feel even when they go to dinner at their landlord's house and it's dark and fires and candlelight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it doesn't look like a james ivory movie where it's like flood and with cinematic life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it reminds me of in a lot of ways is how a lot of manga is told visually and that there's a lot of hyper realism in the backgrounds.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the characters are actually much more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: broadly drawn and just expressive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're really empathizing with the characters, but we have this incredible sense of place.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not, it doesn't feel like a universal to a fall.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's only a reversal in that we can relate to these people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We relate to these people because of how they
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[SPEAKER_00]: behave and what and and their emotions And we can imagine ourselves what we would be like in that in our own situation Um, one thing I mean, I think the castings really good, but I also I loved that Frank Delane Hmm, please will be he is How do I know Frank Delane because he's he was a
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[SPEAKER_00]: He is in Harris Dickinson's film, Urchin.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you see it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't see it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wait.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, yes I did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Urchin's amazing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was the one with the little girl and like her mom.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What am I thinking of?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you're thinking of a movie that Harris Dickinson was in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a movie that Harris Dickinson directed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I didn't see that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That came out last year, and it's a Frank Delane plays a guy who gets out of jail.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a drug addict, and he, it is his life on the streets.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Also, Frank Delane happened to be the son of Stephen Delane, who you probably have seen, and he's in Game of Thrones.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He plays Stanisbury at the end, but you'd probably recognize him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's always in British movies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he was like in something this year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bald white guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But we need more of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Frank Delane is just a really to me exciting new actor He plays Willahby who sort of this like terrible rank who like you know To do so about their reputation right he's a he's a he's a
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[SPEAKER_00]: a red flag, totally charming, and that's who Marianne gets a crush on and then she's sort of spurting this neighbor of theirs kernel branded.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I Herbert Nordrum who I didn't know either.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, he's in worse person in the world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: TV isn't worse person than what he did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Didn't have a beard in that because I don't think so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He has a beard in sense.
01:00:00.747 --> 01:00:02.148
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I didn't recognize him.
01:00:02.188 --> 01:00:02.709
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
01:00:02.729 --> 01:00:04.310
[SPEAKER_01]: Who with the wigs is a beard?
01:00:04.430 --> 01:00:05.071
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no.
01:00:05.091 --> 01:00:05.871
[SPEAKER_01]: He's functional hair.
01:00:06.967 --> 01:00:08.048
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, everyone.
01:00:08.068 --> 01:00:09.189
[SPEAKER_00]: I get it, friends.
01:00:09.289 --> 01:00:09.469
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:00:09.589 --> 01:00:14.293
[SPEAKER_00]: So her manager is in worst person in the world, and he plays Colonel Brandon in this.
01:00:14.393 --> 01:00:16.535
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Alan Rickman role, and he rich people.
01:00:16.695 --> 01:00:23.520
[SPEAKER_00]: I just love that casting, because he's there too, to me, like newcomer international actors, who I think are really interesting.
01:00:23.801 --> 01:00:25.462
[SPEAKER_00]: And I enjoyed seeing them in these roles.
01:00:25.682 --> 01:00:29.703
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, they're really, I mean, George McCay, I think has, you know, more of a following now.
01:00:29.763 --> 01:00:40.005
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's like a very, I mean, him and Daisy Eger Jones are to, you know, upcoming young British actors that they make sense for this, but I, I really like the casting of my eyes.
01:00:40.065 --> 01:00:45.846
[SPEAKER_01]: For me, it's about the characters because I have such affection for a sense of sensibility, like a very formative film.
01:00:46.086 --> 01:00:53.848
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm trying to think of a way you could fuck up sense of sensibility so bad that Colonel Brandon doesn't make me cry.
01:00:55.223 --> 01:00:58.224
[SPEAKER_01]: because I wasn't entirely sold on the Cousallon Rickman's tough act to follow.
01:00:58.344 --> 01:00:59.565
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I mean, he's in Cousallon.
01:00:59.585 --> 01:01:00.145
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:01:00.565 --> 01:01:08.368
[SPEAKER_01]: And so well casted at, because he wasn't really considered like a room, and maybe he saw truly madly deeply, which wasn't really big hit in the States, but it's not really romantically at the time.
01:01:08.508 --> 01:01:08.889
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:01:09.369 --> 01:01:11.610
[SPEAKER_01]: So it felt like, oh, we'll show him never end up with him.
01:01:11.710 --> 01:01:16.232
[SPEAKER_01]: He's very quiet and reserved, and she very sensuous.
01:01:17.432 --> 01:01:18.032
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's perfect.
01:01:18.272 --> 01:01:24.735
[SPEAKER_01]: And I really think that this adaptation did such a wonderful job of selling that relationship even earlier.
01:01:25.037 --> 01:01:34.227
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because I think Rickman and the Amitamson script's a version of that was a little bit more elusive in his affection for Mary Ann.
01:01:34.607 --> 01:01:43.136
[SPEAKER_01]: And here it's very, very clear that although he makes a very bad first impression on her, he is absolutely and not like enamored or smitten.
01:01:43.236 --> 01:01:43.856
[SPEAKER_01]: He risks
01:01:44.477 --> 01:01:45.158
[SPEAKER_01]: Back to her.
01:01:45.178 --> 01:01:45.718
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:01:45.818 --> 01:01:49.161
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, you are living out loud and no one else is allowing you to do it.
01:01:49.201 --> 01:01:51.403
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that is fucking incredible.
01:01:51.504 --> 01:01:51.704
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:01:51.724 --> 01:01:52.625
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's not who I am.
01:01:52.885 --> 01:01:53.085
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:01:53.245 --> 01:02:04.596
[SPEAKER_01]: So she doesn't recognize anything in him that she can relate to or love and it takes a huge string of circumstances for her to notice that you're not the same person but you might be a great match.
01:02:05.336 --> 01:02:05.657
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:02:05.697 --> 01:02:05.937
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:02:05.977 --> 01:02:09.120
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think this will be handles that really beautifully and
01:02:09.969 --> 01:02:14.990
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, you such a good guy, you such a good guy, I love it so much.
01:02:15.070 --> 01:02:25.493
[SPEAKER_00]: You really do like their eventual coming together is so sweet and the way that she sees in him that he has this like quiet passion that he will be devoted to her.
01:02:25.953 --> 01:02:31.395
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not going to have the same personality as her, but he will respect her and be devoted to her.
01:02:31.455 --> 01:02:32.415
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, really beautiful.
01:02:32.435 --> 01:02:34.396
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like her be herself and not trying to sell.
01:02:35.076 --> 01:02:40.879
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you ever hear the thing about relationships where it's like, someone's like the flower and someone's the gardener?
01:02:41.359 --> 01:02:43.761
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I don't think I've heard that big of a word.
01:02:43.801 --> 01:02:44.461
[SPEAKER_01]: I can see it.
01:02:44.741 --> 01:02:56.447
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't think it applies to every single relationship but I think often there are dynamics where there's like, a star or flower and then someone who tends to the flower.
01:02:57.028 --> 01:02:57.648
[SPEAKER_00]: I took gardener.
01:02:57.948 --> 01:03:13.994
[SPEAKER_01]: I tend to reject those kinds of metaphors because, and it's not that I disagree, it's that I think it's not that simple, I think, I think people have qualities above, and there are some respects in which one person is more of the nurture, but is also in other aspects of the relationship is not.
01:03:14.114 --> 01:03:18.916
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, it's not, it's very binary and over something, I would say.
01:03:18.956 --> 01:03:23.978
[SPEAKER_01]: I reject most binders, but still at the same time, it's like, you know, with the sense of nuance, that is very reasonable.
01:03:24.698 --> 01:03:30.461
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's one of the things that makes, cause like Daisy Acre Jones and George McKay perfect for each other from frame one.
01:03:30.621 --> 01:03:31.982
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're also the same person.
01:03:32.142 --> 01:03:32.983
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're perfect.
01:03:33.003 --> 01:03:36.785
[SPEAKER_00]: And they have the same values and that's what kind of gets in the way of their love.
01:03:36.905 --> 01:03:42.628
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and not just valuing their love, they're family, but also their responsibilities.
01:03:42.909 --> 01:03:44.089
[SPEAKER_01]: And they really get somebody.
01:03:44.149 --> 01:03:46.631
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're one, they're like, we have to be honorable.
01:03:46.691 --> 01:03:48.392
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they make their right choice.
01:03:48.432 --> 01:03:52.034
[SPEAKER_01]: And I respect that, but the beautiful simplicity
01:03:54.415 --> 01:04:02.779
[SPEAKER_01]: If Marianne was a little bit more sensible, her story could have ended happily sooner, and if Eleanor was a little bit less sensible, her story could have ended happily.
01:04:02.799 --> 01:04:03.580
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes.
01:04:03.620 --> 01:04:04.960
[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, that's the thing.
01:04:04.980 --> 01:04:10.783
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what we go to these romances is because it's like we want everyone to get over their shit and solve their problems.
01:04:10.803 --> 01:04:11.063
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:04:11.143 --> 01:04:11.884
[SPEAKER_00]: No, they will.
01:04:11.904 --> 01:04:14.265
[SPEAKER_00]: We get out in the way we expect, but usually,
01:04:14.745 --> 01:04:16.847
[SPEAKER_00]: And there has to be some miscommunication.
01:04:16.867 --> 01:04:18.248
[SPEAKER_01]: There has to be.
01:04:18.428 --> 01:04:19.529
[SPEAKER_01]: And this drives me nuts.
01:04:19.549 --> 01:04:22.671
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think I honestly think that's one of the reasons why I'm obsessed with communication now.
01:04:22.691 --> 01:04:31.458
[SPEAKER_01]: It's because I've seen so many movies ever since I was a wee barren that was just like, you know, if we just had a good conversation at the beginning, no one would have died.
01:04:31.558 --> 01:04:31.938
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:04:31.958 --> 01:04:32.219
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:04:33.039 --> 01:04:38.864
[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe we should all work in being a little more articulate and comfortable expressing ourselves, which
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's the lesson.
01:04:41.589 --> 01:04:57.657
[SPEAKER_00]: I do, I will say that I saw this movie with a crowd and it was a super fun movie to see with a crowd because I think the humor really comes out and it's a very funny movie and also the crowd was like gasping and siding and cheering and certain moments.
01:04:57.697 --> 01:05:01.379
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like a really interactive movie.
01:05:01.399 --> 01:05:03.820
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a great adaptation too.
01:05:03.960 --> 01:05:06.021
[SPEAKER_01]: I think, and I think an audience helps.
01:05:06.101 --> 01:05:08.823
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw this with a room with like six other cracks.
01:05:09.573 --> 01:05:15.258
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was abundantly clear that I was way more, I don't think they disliked it, but I was way more swept up in it.
01:05:15.438 --> 01:05:15.639
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:05:16.099 --> 01:05:25.767
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that if you're in a crowd, it's kind of like a horror movie where if you're in a crowd, and someone is really freaked out by it, everyone gets a little freaked out.
01:05:26.048 --> 01:05:26.288
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:05:26.468 --> 01:05:27.949
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone's like, okay, so this is the tone.
01:05:27.969 --> 01:05:30.311
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the, even if it's not hitting me, it's hitting someone.
01:05:30.331 --> 01:05:31.272
[SPEAKER_01]: So the movie's doing something right.
01:05:31.312 --> 01:05:31.693
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:05:31.793 --> 01:05:33.234
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's true for comedies.
01:05:33.294 --> 01:05:34.035
[SPEAKER_01]: It's easier to laugh.
01:05:34.075 --> 01:05:35.055
[SPEAKER_01]: Another people are laughing with you.
01:05:35.075 --> 01:05:36.517
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why we still have tracks and things.
01:05:37.137 --> 01:05:42.018
[SPEAKER_01]: And for romances and things, it's just like, you know, you pick up on the whole audience.
01:05:42.358 --> 01:05:49.800
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think this is one of the reasons why movie theaters are still so important, is because we all want to share something at the same time and do the same thing at the same time.
01:05:50.020 --> 01:05:57.441
[SPEAKER_01]: And even if you don't have that, that's why you go online and you talk about the movie and you read a critic that anyone else see what I saw in this Rosh Act test.
01:05:57.701 --> 01:05:59.041
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, no, it's a delight.
01:05:59.061 --> 01:06:00.102
[SPEAKER_01]: I like it a lot.
01:06:00.262 --> 01:06:02.702
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's actually, I don't know where you fall on this.
01:06:07.029 --> 01:06:33.157
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... but uh... Aaron sorkin's the social reckoning Aaron sorkin's social reckoning is the the long-awaited follow-up to the social network which of course came out in 2010 they would venture direct to the sorkin wrote it Jesse Eisenberg played mark Zuckerberg uh... and it was about the foundation of Facebook and all of the sexist assholes who uh... were trying to benefit from that and fight it over the money
01:06:33.843 --> 01:06:39.725
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, it's about Zuckerberg, like, resting control away from his co-founders.
01:06:39.885 --> 01:06:44.827
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, in a way that, well, very, very shady, in a lot of ways.
01:06:45.308 --> 01:06:45.848
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
01:06:46.068 --> 01:06:47.028
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he did it, maybe he did it.
01:06:47.068 --> 01:06:48.769
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're dealing with his character.
01:06:49.169 --> 01:06:55.112
[SPEAKER_00]: Which, at the time, in 2010, we were all, like, yay, we love Facebook.
01:06:55.532 --> 01:06:56.252
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
01:06:56.292 --> 01:06:57.913
[SPEAKER_01]: Because it was changing everything.
01:06:57.933 --> 01:06:58.573
[SPEAKER_01]: It was so creative.
01:06:58.613 --> 01:07:03.375
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like, we'd had it for a while, but it felt like it was really starting to improve our lives.
01:07:03.855 --> 01:07:08.258
[SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of ways, bring people close to the gather, it was allowing like, disparate communities to find each other.
01:07:08.278 --> 01:07:13.762
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there was like Arab Spring time, which was largely happening on social media.
01:07:13.802 --> 01:07:17.284
[SPEAKER_00]: Like we were like, oh, it says the opportunity for a political change.
01:07:17.364 --> 01:07:23.488
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think everybody realized that and realized it in a, and then put their finger on the button.
01:07:24.049 --> 01:07:26.630
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, on the scale or whatever you want to call it.
01:07:26.670 --> 01:07:27.411
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:07:27.511 --> 01:07:33.415
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, and for me, the social network is a prime example of why you shouldn't rush to make a biopic.
01:07:34.448 --> 01:07:36.050
[SPEAKER_00]: Because we had the social network.
01:07:36.070 --> 01:07:36.931
[SPEAKER_00]: I think social network.
01:07:36.992 --> 01:07:37.613
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
01:07:37.753 --> 01:07:40.437
[SPEAKER_01]: I think because it's well made as that movie It's incredibly well made.
01:07:40.457 --> 01:07:49.331
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like the ending, but it's incredibly well made The story had not been told we don't know like the full historical impact of what we're watching at
01:07:49.551 --> 01:07:51.232
[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't feel like it's a biopic.
01:07:51.552 --> 01:07:58.797
[SPEAKER_01]: It is, well, okay, maybe not in terms of following like the specific tropes that we think of as a biopic into the walk-hard kind of framework.
01:07:58.817 --> 01:07:59.718
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, right, right, right.
01:07:59.758 --> 01:08:01.860
[SPEAKER_01]: But in terms of, we're telling a true story.
01:08:01.880 --> 01:08:04.141
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I feel like it's like what's going to happen.
01:08:04.181 --> 01:08:06.363
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like it's like a biopic of Facebook.
01:08:06.983 --> 01:08:07.343
[SPEAKER_01]: That's fair.
01:08:07.543 --> 01:08:09.145
[SPEAKER_00]: Not of Zuckerberg.
01:08:09.165 --> 01:08:12.447
[SPEAKER_01]: But even if that's the case, do you think it was far too soon to tell that story?
01:08:12.467 --> 01:08:13.407
[SPEAKER_01]: For sure.
01:08:13.508 --> 01:08:15.789
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you ever see... Yeah, we didn't know what was going on.
01:08:16.089 --> 01:08:21.033
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you ever see the Guru Garcin biopic of Marie Curie?
01:08:21.473 --> 01:08:21.833
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
01:08:22.934 --> 01:08:25.416
[SPEAKER_01]: So that came out in like 42, 43.
01:08:25.436 --> 01:08:25.776
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh.
01:08:26.576 --> 01:08:33.021
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was about her and her husband and they discovered Radium and all of the, everything, it was all very interesting.
01:08:33.041 --> 01:08:34.402
[SPEAKER_01]: It was reasonably accurate for the time.
01:08:34.942 --> 01:08:56.276
[SPEAKER_01]: And it ended with basically saying like, you know, man, it's a really good thing we discovered this and then like one year later the atomic bomb drops and you're just like we should have waited a little but also when did when did Marie Curie die was it was wasn't like that long before that I was like less than 10 years But it was still like an granted how could they have not but this she died from radium.
01:08:56.436 --> 01:09:00.378
[SPEAKER_00]: I think she yeah, I think she did I don't remember that was like they didn't she dive in like being exposed.
01:09:00.538 --> 01:09:03.180
[SPEAKER_01]: I sure she was but regardless they they still kind of downplayed that
01:09:03.940 --> 01:09:09.023
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, yeah, no, it was a very loving, like, ooh, isn't everything right for the lady scientist?
01:09:09.103 --> 01:09:11.684
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was right, I don't know, that level, it isn't spiring, no one could go through it.
01:09:11.704 --> 01:09:15.246
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you see Marjanza Trapis breakary biopic radioactive?
01:09:15.386 --> 01:09:15.727
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
01:09:15.827 --> 01:09:30.354
[SPEAKER_01]: Very underrated, and they did a really good job of addressing the incredible thing that she did with how quickly that spiral data control, and acknowledging like there are people who have cancer treatments in our life now because of what she did.
01:09:30.675 --> 01:09:31.135
[SPEAKER_01]: And also,
01:09:32.047 --> 01:09:38.530
[SPEAKER_01]: nuclear war and also like everyone was so taken by this new invention that we started putting it in gum.
01:09:38.990 --> 01:09:39.470
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
01:09:39.770 --> 01:09:43.992
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is way like my god.
01:09:44.012 --> 01:09:47.833
[SPEAKER_00]: Which like I hate to say but like that is going to be AI.
01:09:47.953 --> 01:09:48.193
[SPEAKER_01]: It is.
01:09:48.773 --> 01:09:51.374
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember the first time I was at like, we actually have seen this.
01:09:52.335 --> 01:09:56.116
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, with uh, with um, because I knew I had seen some.
01:09:56.156 --> 01:09:58.777
[SPEAKER_01]: It also came out during the lockdown and I think it got really over.
01:09:58.797 --> 01:10:00.838
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I love this film too and have stars.
01:10:01.658 --> 01:10:13.901
[SPEAKER_01]: I liked them more than you, but yeah, fair enough, but yeah, I know we're saying that I remember the first time I was at a grocery store and they said this particular like new flavor of Coke was designed by AI and I was like, hey, I doesn't have taste buds.
01:10:14.702 --> 01:10:17.642
[SPEAKER_00]: No, well, why would I want that?
01:10:17.682 --> 01:10:18.543
[SPEAKER_00]: That really happened.
01:10:18.563 --> 01:10:19.343
[SPEAKER_01]: That really happened.
01:10:19.363 --> 01:10:20.443
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a real thing.
01:10:20.463 --> 01:10:23.124
[SPEAKER_01]: That was years ago now and I was like, fuck.
01:10:23.184 --> 01:10:25.565
[SPEAKER_00]: And how many more AI coax have we seen?
01:10:25.585 --> 01:10:26.305
[SPEAKER_00]: None.
01:10:26.365 --> 01:10:26.685
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
01:10:28.072 --> 01:10:40.525
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, well, okay, so my point is my point is is that the social network, I feel like we were all kind of waiting for a follow-up because a lot of ground wasn't covered and it felt like a sequel actually was really Right at the very least.
01:10:40.705 --> 01:10:42.667
[SPEAKER_00]: I think like people thought
01:10:43.839 --> 01:10:48.821
[SPEAKER_00]: Zuckerberg was like an evil genius, but also like still thought he was a genius.
01:10:48.861 --> 01:10:52.442
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is still Obama era, like we love tech.
01:10:52.842 --> 01:10:57.244
[SPEAKER_01]: It's gonna, you know, he's the evil genius, but he's our evil genius and he's doing stuff that we love.
01:10:57.264 --> 01:10:57.384
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
01:10:57.424 --> 01:11:04.347
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I mean, it was trying to like, you know, like put like capture moving target.
01:11:04.487 --> 01:11:12.690
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, given it was, I feel like the ending of that movie is people don't talk about enough because everyone loves the opening of the original movie where Runeemara tells Zuckerberg he's an asshole.
01:11:13.890 --> 01:11:18.634
[SPEAKER_01]: And we don't talk about it at the ending when it was Rashida Jones, right, plays the lawyer.
01:11:19.715 --> 01:11:24.118
[SPEAKER_01]: The movie's last line of dialogue is you're not an asshole, you're just trying so hard to be.
01:11:24.198 --> 01:11:26.120
[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like that is a, like, fine mill.
01:11:26.502 --> 01:11:33.686
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like that's like, okay, Aaron, no, you dramatically, I think even at the time I was like, that's a weird way to end this story because I think we just proved he was at the last hole.
01:11:33.846 --> 01:11:34.486
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:11:34.846 --> 01:11:37.928
[SPEAKER_01]: But I still think that movie still thinks that there was something kind of retainable about him.
01:11:37.968 --> 01:11:44.831
[SPEAKER_01]: And the social reckoning for all its many flaws does just treat him like shitty like sleuthore.
01:11:44.851 --> 01:11:48.693
[SPEAKER_00]: Like us, yes, shitty, like he is such a Lex sleuthore.
01:11:48.854 --> 01:11:49.094
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:11:49.454 --> 01:11:49.974
[SPEAKER_00]: Leuthore.
01:11:50.594 --> 01:11:51.675
[SPEAKER_01]: It depends on which version you are.
01:11:53.324 --> 01:11:56.887
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember Ned Badyo, we said, I'm coming Mr. Luthel.
01:11:57.328 --> 01:11:57.788
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my God.
01:11:57.808 --> 01:11:59.530
[SPEAKER_01]: But like, because it's spelled with an O.
01:11:59.670 --> 01:11:59.990
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
01:12:00.010 --> 01:12:00.751
[SPEAKER_01]: So like a lot of people.
01:12:01.111 --> 01:12:03.574
[SPEAKER_00]: No, he such a Lex Luthel and like, Yeah.
01:12:04.274 --> 01:12:09.019
[SPEAKER_00]: Like cartoonishly evolved and anti-social as played by Jeremy Strauss.
01:12:09.099 --> 01:12:10.000
[SPEAKER_01]: Anti-social network.
01:12:10.655 --> 01:12:11.015
[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.
01:12:11.035 --> 01:12:12.016
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what it should have been called.
01:12:12.156 --> 01:12:12.256
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:12:12.276 --> 01:12:14.318
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what it would have been good damn it.
01:12:14.338 --> 01:12:15.619
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that actually reads.
01:12:15.819 --> 01:12:17.300
[SPEAKER_01]: That tells you everything about the movie.
01:12:17.320 --> 01:12:18.561
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the answer to something that works.
01:12:18.601 --> 01:12:19.581
[SPEAKER_01]: Aaron.
01:12:20.302 --> 01:12:22.383
[SPEAKER_00]: What are we doing then?
01:12:22.424 --> 01:12:23.644
[SPEAKER_00]: We got we fixed it.
01:12:23.865 --> 01:12:25.125
[SPEAKER_01]: We just have put your movie.
01:12:25.145 --> 01:12:26.687
[SPEAKER_01]: We got to your Oscar nomination.
01:12:28.108 --> 01:12:30.889
[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, Jesse Eisenberg didn't come back.
01:12:30.909 --> 01:12:33.151
[SPEAKER_01]: We got Jeremy Strong playing Mark Zuckerberg.
01:12:33.231 --> 01:12:33.931
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:12:34.011 --> 01:12:46.179
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got Mikey Madison playing the whistleblower who helped pull what we now call the Facebook files out of the company and we've got another Jeremy, which is unnecessarily confusing.
01:12:46.219 --> 01:12:50.862
[SPEAKER_01]: Jeremy Allen White as Josh Horowitz, the reporter who
01:12:51.963 --> 01:13:03.773
[SPEAKER_01]: Helped her break that case and also conveniently is a lot of it so that Sorkin has an excuse to explain everything to us Yeah, because Sorkin has no faith in his audience in this man None whatsoever.
01:13:03.793 --> 01:13:05.074
[SPEAKER_01]: We need everything spelled out.
01:13:05.135 --> 01:13:06.356
[SPEAKER_01]: I understand some of its tech stuff.
01:13:06.656 --> 01:13:06.796
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah
01:13:06.896 --> 01:13:08.598
[SPEAKER_01]: And we, at least need a baseline.
01:13:08.718 --> 01:13:09.298
[SPEAKER_01]: I totally get it.
01:13:09.318 --> 01:13:13.402
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, this is like a period piece in that it's said in 2020, 2021.
01:13:13.622 --> 01:13:14.022
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
01:13:14.683 --> 01:13:24.072
[SPEAKER_00]: And it is about the Facebook files, which revealed the sort of like damage that Facebook was doing to people, not only through like mental health,
01:13:25.282 --> 01:13:44.943
[SPEAKER_00]: kids in Instagram and mental health which is bad enough but also like cartels using Facebook for, you know, doing crimes and then also significantly this like algorithmic change where they relied on meaningful social interaction MSI.
01:13:46.585 --> 01:13:59.691
[SPEAKER_00]: which basically has turned all social media into like the outrage factory, because it's like what is going to get a reaction out of you and then thus they're making the argument that it's like radicalizing people.
01:13:59.791 --> 01:14:03.713
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, because it only extremes, really bad rage, rage, rage, yeah.
01:14:03.733 --> 01:14:08.115
[SPEAKER_01]: If we interact with someone because it makes us angry, oh my god, I can't believe this exists, which unfortunately,
01:14:08.535 --> 01:14:25.241
[SPEAKER_01]: Then platforms it and then if you adjust the algorithm to really value that then that's all you see and then that changes your world view And then you are invited to join groups that share that world view and then we have polarized everything and in Aaron Sorkin's mind That in and of itself is the evil.
01:14:25.401 --> 01:14:25.861
[SPEAKER_01]: That's enough.
01:14:25.921 --> 01:14:26.862
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't need to talk to anything else.
01:14:26.882 --> 01:14:27.482
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't bring up
01:14:28.162 --> 01:14:32.224
[SPEAKER_01]: all the genocides that Facebook has helped sort of bring into existence all over the world.
01:14:32.744 --> 01:14:40.927
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just there's someone you knew who is now a Republican and that's the worst thing.
01:14:41.087 --> 01:14:46.289
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not even arguing that, but it is a weird thing to focus on when there's a whole tapestry vehicle.
01:14:46.869 --> 01:14:47.870
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I think
01:14:48.848 --> 01:14:51.351
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, literally one person, we meet a character at the beginning, I know.
01:14:51.551 --> 01:15:01.943
[SPEAKER_01]: And then we find out Mikey Madison knew her before she became radicalized right way and then like one of the last shots of the movie, it's just like, remember this blonde woman and I was like, I don't think that's the point.
01:15:02.043 --> 01:15:04.846
[SPEAKER_00]: And she and she's doing January 6th.
01:15:05.206 --> 01:15:05.407
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
01:15:05.827 --> 01:15:06.708
[SPEAKER_01]: So of course.
01:15:06.768 --> 01:15:10.011
[SPEAKER_00]: So we meet a blonde woman who does a racist video.
01:15:10.711 --> 01:15:18.638
[SPEAKER_00]: We discover that Mikey Madison, who plays Francis Howgan, who's a Facebook whistleblower, new her is deserved by her radicalization.
01:15:18.658 --> 01:15:24.082
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we see her literally participating in January 6th, intro, intro, intro, intro, intro.
01:15:24.162 --> 01:15:25.183
[SPEAKER_01]: Just the case he didn't get it.
01:15:25.484 --> 01:15:29.467
[SPEAKER_00]: It's this movie is so sorky.
01:15:30.548 --> 01:15:31.769
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it is.
01:15:31.789 --> 01:15:32.950
[SPEAKER_01]: You consider that neutral when negative?
01:15:34.260 --> 01:15:34.800
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what's funny?
01:15:35.841 --> 01:15:42.744
[SPEAKER_00]: I say it negative and then I was talking to other people who were like, oh, but I love that You know the style.
01:15:43.225 --> 01:15:44.665
[SPEAKER_00]: No, you can't think it doesn't have a style right.
01:15:44.745 --> 01:15:52.689
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think I respect Sorkin as a writer like I respect him as a writer I think he's a terrible director.
01:15:52.829 --> 01:15:53.089
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
01:15:53.349 --> 01:15:58.212
[SPEAKER_01]: He should not be uniquely terrible director being the Ricardo's is a crime
01:15:58.572 --> 01:16:01.613
[SPEAKER_00]: Being there Cardo's, I can't speak about that.
01:16:02.313 --> 01:16:07.434
[SPEAKER_01]: He was the wrong person to write it, and he was really the wrong person to direct it because he's not, he can tell it.
01:16:07.474 --> 01:16:08.054
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not funny.
01:16:08.214 --> 01:16:09.635
[SPEAKER_00]: No, he's not funny.
01:16:09.675 --> 01:16:11.415
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, everyone's intellectualized.
01:16:11.435 --> 01:16:16.737
[SPEAKER_01]: You have the funniest people who ever lived being played in that movie, and all we're doing is talking about the intellectualization.
01:16:16.857 --> 01:16:18.017
[SPEAKER_01]: It is totally wrong.
01:16:18.537 --> 01:16:20.678
[SPEAKER_00]: being the part of this such a terrible movie.
01:16:20.878 --> 01:16:23.399
[SPEAKER_00]: I also, I am a rare Molly's gamehater.
01:16:23.980 --> 01:16:25.020
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I don't think that's rare at all.
01:16:25.040 --> 01:16:25.821
[SPEAKER_01]: I fucking hate that movie.
01:16:25.881 --> 01:16:26.121
[SPEAKER_00]: Really?
01:16:26.161 --> 01:16:28.302
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like a lot of people like Molly's gamehater.
01:16:28.342 --> 01:16:32.704
[SPEAKER_01]: The scene that I, I guess I wasn't liking it, but the scene that made me turn on it.
01:16:32.744 --> 01:16:34.385
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, now I hate you.
01:16:35.873 --> 01:16:49.486
[SPEAKER_01]: So if people kind of floated the radar, but Molly's game was Aaron Sorkin's historical debut, and it was about this woman who was running these underground poker, underground poker for rich people and celebrities, which was illegal.
01:16:50.186 --> 01:16:53.389
[SPEAKER_01]: But more than that, people were like losing their house and whatever, like that was a whole scandal.
01:16:53.470 --> 01:16:58.554
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was like a real thing, and like Toby McGuire was like playing the poker there.
01:16:58.574 --> 01:17:01.437
[SPEAKER_01]: And Michael Sarah plays Toby McGuire, which is really funny.
01:17:02.518 --> 01:17:06.241
[SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, it's interesting story worth making a movie about it.
01:17:06.281 --> 01:17:09.203
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like juicy, it's like Jessica Chastain being fun.
01:17:09.523 --> 01:17:10.684
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a movie there, it's my point.
01:17:10.744 --> 01:17:20.932
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, Sorkin, who really, I mean, I really didn't watch the west swing very much, but like, you know, he's not great with women with the exception of a net-bending in American president.
01:17:23.204 --> 01:17:29.248
[SPEAKER_01]: Jessica Chest Stain has a lot of personal problems, a lot of plot problems, and then two thirds of the way through the movie, Kevin Costner is playing her father.
01:17:29.468 --> 01:17:30.649
[SPEAKER_00]: I turned on the movie at this point too.
01:17:30.689 --> 01:17:50.421
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he sits her down, and he says, I'm gonna give you 20 years of therapy in five minutes, and then what he does is he reads Aaron Sorkin's character notes aloud, and he's just like, here's your back story, here's your conflict, here's what you want versus what you need, all this shit, and he was like there, I'm the greatest writer who ever lived, and he walks out, and I'm like,
01:17:53.375 --> 01:17:59.591
[SPEAKER_01]: has again he has a style he has a cadence there's a certain quality I think sometimes he can be a few good men is great yeah
01:18:00.025 --> 01:18:01.025
[SPEAKER_01]: American president is great.
01:18:01.926 --> 01:18:03.167
[SPEAKER_01]: He's done some good things.
01:18:03.187 --> 01:18:07.649
[SPEAKER_01]: But once you've watched a lot of Aaron Sorkon, you realize he has the same bag of tricks and everything.
01:18:07.989 --> 01:18:08.749
[SPEAKER_00]: For sure.
01:18:08.869 --> 01:18:12.411
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's not even the end of the world, but he thinks they're universally applicable.
01:18:12.631 --> 01:18:16.113
[SPEAKER_01]: He thinks he can get away with it in every, not even every movie and every scene.
01:18:17.093 --> 01:18:20.315
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, no longer feels like he means it.
01:18:20.775 --> 01:18:22.556
[SPEAKER_01]: Or if he does, it feels very self-serving.
01:18:22.576 --> 01:18:23.537
[SPEAKER_01]: Like a lot of this movie,
01:18:25.243 --> 01:18:35.449
[SPEAKER_01]: So we keep cutting back from like the investigation into the Facebook files with Mikey Madison and Jeremy on white and then we cut to literally January six or earlier in the day.
01:18:35.469 --> 01:18:43.653
[SPEAKER_00]: And he fudges all the dates because the Facebook files article comes out in like September of 2021.
01:18:44.194 --> 01:18:46.415
[SPEAKER_00]: So when he does is he's already to interrupt.
01:18:46.575 --> 01:18:49.457
[SPEAKER_00]: But he he condenses it also that.
01:18:50.319 --> 01:18:51.360
[SPEAKER_01]: It all happens on gender.
01:18:52.921 --> 01:18:54.022
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to laugh.
01:18:54.102 --> 01:18:54.402
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:18:54.622 --> 01:18:59.065
[SPEAKER_00]: Mark Zuckerberg is like prepping for a congressional hearing about something else.
01:18:59.706 --> 01:19:04.830
[SPEAKER_00]: He hears about this article that's going to come out that's basically like the pentagon papers level.
01:19:06.070 --> 01:19:08.931
[SPEAKER_01]: You know bombshell which isn't gonna come up for nine months in reality.
01:19:08.971 --> 01:19:17.475
[SPEAKER_00]: Which in reality does not come out for another nine months But he hears about this article that's gonna come out in like two days and then meanwhile January six is also happening.
01:19:17.515 --> 01:19:25.858
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and you're just like Oh, I kind of one thing I do kind of like about this movie is the way that it treats January six like a zombie outbreak
01:19:26.398 --> 01:19:38.486
[SPEAKER_01]: Like they're like little moments throughout like Mickey Madison is that like a super market and someone is like yelling at someone Which if you were they I don't know if you had this experience, but I remember the last few days where the lockdown was announced It felt like a zombie outbreak.
01:19:38.827 --> 01:19:40.067
[SPEAKER_01]: There were fewer people on the streets.
01:19:40.308 --> 01:19:45.971
[SPEAKER_01]: I've turned on the radio at there would be the exposition channel Well, because part of it is like the pandemic.
01:19:46.011 --> 01:19:50.735
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like they're trying to report this article like as the pandemic is starting like
01:19:51.315 --> 01:20:06.140
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so it's like it's like basically flashing back and forth between like basically 20 January 6 2021 and then like a year-ish prior yeah and but my point is that the all of the Jeremy strong stuff the majority of that material except for what it builds to
01:20:06.900 --> 01:20:31.918
[SPEAKER_01]: is him arguing with Bill Burr and Bill Burr plays some guy and they had the use to work together and they had a falling out of no Bill Burr, his principles and Mark Zuckerberg does not and the every scene is them shouting at each other but what's really happening is that Aaron Sorkin is having a debate with himself and he's already decided the winner and we're just waiting for him to get to his fucking point because every time
01:20:32.678 --> 01:20:38.781
[SPEAKER_01]: Mark Zuckerberg says something that's supposed to sound smart, we know it's not, because it's already been disproven by the movie.
01:20:38.941 --> 01:20:39.161
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:20:39.261 --> 01:20:47.644
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's no, like, you know, oh, well, I guess if you look at it from that perspective, it's like, no, we are just watching two soapboxes in that each other, aspiring.
01:20:47.844 --> 01:20:48.064
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:20:48.204 --> 01:20:51.486
[SPEAKER_01]: And it doesn't feel like interesting exchange of ideas.
01:20:51.646 --> 01:20:58.429
[SPEAKER_01]: It just feels like it reminded me of the newsroom where it's very easy to tell people how to run the news when you're telling it a year after it happened.
01:20:58.589 --> 01:20:58.849
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
01:20:59.614 --> 01:21:06.739
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that this, like, I like this sort of all the president's men aspects of this movie, like the, that's always great.
01:21:06.879 --> 01:21:10.841
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the, like the jerk, like, I think Jeremy Allen White is the best part of this movie.
01:21:11.362 --> 01:21:24.770
[SPEAKER_00]: And in the sense that like he plays a character that I was like most convinced by, okay, because he's like kind of the warmest, most convincing guy in this movie, because Jeremy Strong is playing Mark Zuckerberg like a complete alien.
01:21:24.810 --> 01:21:26.151
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's a terrible person.
01:21:26.291 --> 01:21:27.252
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a cartoon.
01:21:27.312 --> 01:21:27.532
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:21:27.772 --> 01:21:29.633
[SPEAKER_00]: And then also, I thought Mikey Madison was bad.
01:21:29.973 --> 01:21:32.493
[SPEAKER_01]: Michael Madison's bad, but to be fair, Aaron Sorkin is giving her nothing.
01:21:32.913 --> 01:21:34.854
[SPEAKER_01]: She has the same speech over and over again.
01:21:35.014 --> 01:21:35.194
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
01:21:35.214 --> 01:21:35.934
[SPEAKER_01]: Lisa and Facebook.
01:21:36.374 --> 01:21:36.614
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
01:21:36.714 --> 01:21:38.655
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not blaming Mikey Madison.
01:21:38.975 --> 01:21:46.057
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm blaming the writing of this character and also his weird obsession, his weird stuff with women, which is that
01:21:46.757 --> 01:21:54.622
[SPEAKER_00]: For some reason, he really focuses on the fact that this character has celiac disease, which makes her hands and feet cold.
01:21:54.862 --> 01:21:57.783
[SPEAKER_01]: So we have, okay, so they don't mention that out loud and cool.
01:21:57.803 --> 01:22:05.648
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you chunk away through the movie, so for the first half of the movie, he keeps doing cutaways to her wearing ankle warmers and wrist warmers like in flash dance.
01:22:06.088 --> 01:22:07.588
[SPEAKER_01]: And it is so fetishistic.
01:22:07.628 --> 01:22:20.951
[SPEAKER_01]: It is so weird if you told people like right at the beginning that you see like these And that's why she's wearing that we probably would have thought nothing of it, but he's weird about it The camera is obsessed with her leg warmers.
01:22:21.051 --> 01:22:32.233
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but it keeps adding to her leg warmers and like as a viewer You're just like, okay, this girl just has like a quirky weird obsession with like leg warmers and thick socks or she's really cold or something and then
01:22:32.873 --> 01:22:35.454
[SPEAKER_00]: She's like in her apartment like all sweaty.
01:22:35.794 --> 01:22:46.937
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and and you're like why is she so sweaty and then she halfway through She's like oh my apartment's really hot because I have celiac and I get cold and you're like why is this even relevant?
01:22:47.057 --> 01:22:52.619
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a this is a weird Footnote that you've decided to turn into something important.
01:22:52.639 --> 01:22:57.860
[SPEAKER_00]: He turned into like this is her entire character It's like no, but it's this is but it's all you could have written this
01:22:58.040 --> 01:22:58.180
[SPEAKER_01]: out.
01:22:58.220 --> 01:22:59.883
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's also leering because it is leering.
01:22:59.903 --> 01:23:00.283
[SPEAKER_01]: It is leering.
01:23:00.303 --> 01:23:00.704
[SPEAKER_01]: It is leering.
01:23:00.724 --> 01:23:01.044
[SPEAKER_01]: It is leering.
01:23:01.064 --> 01:23:01.344
[SPEAKER_01]: It is leering.
01:23:01.365 --> 01:23:01.705
[SPEAKER_01]: It is leering.
01:23:01.725 --> 01:23:02.105
[SPEAKER_01]: It is leering.
01:23:02.126 --> 01:23:02.426
[SPEAKER_01]: It is leering.
01:23:02.446 --> 01:23:02.746
[SPEAKER_01]: It is leering.
01:23:02.766 --> 01:23:03.047
[SPEAKER_01]: It is leering.
01:23:03.067 --> 01:23:03.367
[SPEAKER_01]: It is leering.
01:23:03.387 --> 01:23:03.748
[SPEAKER_01]: It is leering.
01:23:03.768 --> 01:23:04.068
[SPEAKER_01]: It is leering.
01:23:04.088 --> 01:23:04.368
[SPEAKER_01]: It is leering.
01:23:04.388 --> 01:23:04.789
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01:23:04.809 --> 01:23:05.190
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[SPEAKER_01]: I apologize, those are the three, and I would say to all come back, but here's something that I was watching this movie and I was like, this is fucking weird, and if it's true, Sorkin is fucking sexist for really emphasizing it, and if it's not true, he's extremely sexist for putting it in the movie.
01:23:33.698 --> 01:23:37.401
[SPEAKER_01]: There is a thing, Mikey Madison said, what was your name?
01:23:37.501 --> 01:23:39.603
[SPEAKER_01]: Francis, I'm a sad activist, Francis.
01:23:40.404 --> 01:23:43.707
[SPEAKER_01]: Francis keeps seeing Jeremy Young, White's reporter on the slide.
01:23:44.007 --> 01:23:47.350
[SPEAKER_01]: And in order to make it look like, okay, why do I keep leaving my house?
01:23:47.390 --> 01:23:48.971
[SPEAKER_01]: I live with like the same building that I was making.
01:23:48.991 --> 01:23:50.312
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's staying in a hotel.
01:23:50.372 --> 01:23:52.674
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so why should you keep going to this hotel?
01:23:52.835 --> 01:23:57.599
[SPEAKER_01]: Her thing is if anyone asks, she's going on a date, so she always dresses very sultry.
01:23:58.359 --> 01:23:58.519
[SPEAKER_01]: And
01:23:59.557 --> 01:24:01.659
[SPEAKER_01]: You think to yourself, is that something she did?
01:24:01.679 --> 01:24:03.400
[SPEAKER_01]: Because that's an interesting thing.
01:24:03.661 --> 01:24:05.362
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you find out, apparently, no.
01:24:05.803 --> 01:24:07.044
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not a bit that way.
01:24:07.064 --> 01:24:09.886
[SPEAKER_01]: It's understanding, again, I have not done all the research myself.
01:24:09.926 --> 01:24:11.007
[SPEAKER_01]: I was watching a video about it.
01:24:11.047 --> 01:24:18.233
[SPEAKER_01]: Apparently that is something that's sort of, again, if I'm wrong, and it's true, sorkin' is a weirdo for putting too much into it.
01:24:18.253 --> 01:24:21.716
[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, do you just like, I want to put Mikey Madison in some sexy dresses?
01:24:21.797 --> 01:24:25.480
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, either he did that completely made up and excused to put her in sexy dresses.
01:24:26.380 --> 01:24:33.804
[SPEAKER_01]: or he decided to completely emphasize something he did not have to put in the movie at all, because it reads really fucking sexist.
01:24:34.204 --> 01:24:36.205
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you get to the line.
01:24:36.665 --> 01:24:40.647
[SPEAKER_01]: There's two lines in this movie that made me really turn on Jermial and White's character.
01:24:41.606 --> 01:24:57.523
[SPEAKER_01]: The first one and I know you're gonna say no one's gonna be mad about this but me, but there's a scene where Mikey Madison said she's seen the two important Frank Capra movies And we all know she means it's a wonderful life of Mr. Smith and his first reaction was well you got to see lost horizon and I was like, that's what you default to
01:24:58.764 --> 01:25:00.786
[SPEAKER_01]: Lost Horizon, the kind of racist one.
01:25:00.986 --> 01:25:03.307
[SPEAKER_00]: That's Sorkin talking through Jeremy all the way.
01:25:03.387 --> 01:25:08.431
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course it is, but also who the fuck goes to bat for Lost Horizon?
01:25:08.491 --> 01:25:11.873
[SPEAKER_01]: He then admittedly does a arsenic in old ways, which is fine.
01:25:12.113 --> 01:25:15.696
[SPEAKER_01]: But you would think he'd be more of an American madness or meatchon joke, kind of guy.
01:25:16.216 --> 01:25:33.788
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01:25:43.435 --> 01:25:43.815
[SPEAKER_01]: Fun.
01:25:44.235 --> 01:25:45.396
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's in total a little universe.
01:25:45.416 --> 01:25:46.756
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm watching a Preston Sturge's movie.
01:25:46.836 --> 01:25:47.696
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's that clever.
01:25:47.776 --> 01:25:48.516
[SPEAKER_01]: I get that.
01:25:48.536 --> 01:25:49.117
[SPEAKER_00]: That's okay.
01:25:49.137 --> 01:25:56.439
[SPEAKER_00]: But he's trying to make these people characters and he's like, she's obsessed with leg warmers and he likes old movies and it's like, this is so random.
01:25:56.599 --> 01:25:59.499
[SPEAKER_01]: It is and they're not gonna fall in love so I don't know why we keep doing this.
01:25:59.680 --> 01:26:02.740
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you ever see, you're gonna think this is coming out of nowhere?
01:26:03.020 --> 01:26:08.022
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you ever see this means war with Reese weather spoon, Chris, Pine, and Tom Hardy?
01:26:09.122 --> 01:26:10.223
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember.
01:26:10.364 --> 01:26:11.124
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember.
01:26:11.304 --> 01:26:13.667
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember it.
01:26:13.767 --> 01:26:15.669
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if he ever like actually saw it.
01:26:15.729 --> 01:26:17.010
[SPEAKER_01]: They're both CIA spies.
01:26:17.030 --> 01:26:24.377
[SPEAKER_01]: She doesn't know the both CIA spies and she falls in love with both of them and they're fighting over her and but they don't know that she's she doesn't know that they're fighting over her using like a spy tech.
01:26:24.738 --> 01:26:25.899
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of a cute high premise.
01:26:26.279 --> 01:26:27.060
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't say but whatever.
01:26:28.141 --> 01:26:36.769
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the, when she meets Chris Pine, she's meeting him at like, like a tower record, or something like that, and that was still thing, and they meet while they're looking at the classic movie section.
01:26:36.789 --> 01:26:39.592
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like, okay, all right, I can see first off his hand.
01:26:39.612 --> 01:26:41.774
[SPEAKER_01]: So but also I can see why you'd like him, he's got good taste.
01:26:41.934 --> 01:26:46.759
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they're talking about Hitchcock, and he refers to the lady vanishes, less her Hitchcock, and I was like, nope!
01:26:47.486 --> 01:26:50.550
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow done Tom Hardy is though should be the winner.
01:26:50.570 --> 01:26:53.714
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a default suggestion you lost me fighting work.
01:26:53.754 --> 01:26:56.418
[SPEAKER_01]: That is a fucking take That is a hot take.
01:26:56.438 --> 01:26:57.379
[SPEAKER_01]: That is bullshit.
01:26:57.419 --> 01:27:00.663
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was just like I would literally that was a blind date I would be like and have gone.
01:27:00.683 --> 01:27:01.504
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care what you look like.
01:27:01.624 --> 01:27:02.245
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, um
01:27:03.246 --> 01:27:27.294
[SPEAKER_01]: But um, but I think we're sitting next to each other for this because I think you might have heard me go fuck you Um, I don't remember but I'm having an argument about something and she and he mansplains to her and then no one certain terms He's very condescending and she says well, thank you for mansplaining that and he says That's just something women say when they're losing an argument.
01:27:27.394 --> 01:27:27.534
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah
01:27:28.110 --> 01:27:34.693
[SPEAKER_01]: And instead of the movie playing that as, wow, he's a piece of shit right now, the movie plays it as, wow, he really got her.
01:27:36.033 --> 01:27:37.834
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just so proud of that singer.
01:27:37.894 --> 01:27:39.654
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so poor.
01:27:39.694 --> 01:27:40.115
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:27:40.535 --> 01:27:43.256
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think like the reason I was like the most.
01:27:44.669 --> 01:27:48.651
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, connected to the German malenoid character and like he does say fucked up things in the movie.
01:27:48.671 --> 01:27:50.552
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't think he's like a good character.
01:27:50.612 --> 01:27:55.034
[SPEAKER_00]: I just thought his performance was most, will re-out like human.
01:27:55.134 --> 01:27:56.715
[SPEAKER_01]: I was talking to Lanzo D'Ralde after this.
01:27:56.735 --> 01:28:05.939
[SPEAKER_01]: And we both, the one line that we both really liked was when he was talking about how, you know, it's not, we're not mad that like influencers and social media people are doing journalism.
01:28:05.959 --> 01:28:07.100
[SPEAKER_01]: We're mad that you're doing it bad.
01:28:07.220 --> 01:28:10.942
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I did hear you and Alonza talking about this.
01:28:10.962 --> 01:28:13.684
[SPEAKER_01]: That was a, that was a moment like, yes, that's actually well stated.
01:28:13.724 --> 01:28:14.905
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a well stated point.
01:28:14.945 --> 01:28:15.785
[SPEAKER_00]: That was a bar.
01:28:15.985 --> 01:28:17.286
[SPEAKER_00]: I was said, I don't know.
01:28:17.326 --> 01:28:24.550
[SPEAKER_00]: I just, I think that like, I mean, it's, I sort of, listen, I, I didn't like think the writing was that good.
01:28:24.750 --> 01:28:24.971
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
01:28:25.351 --> 01:28:26.892
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought the direction was worse.
01:28:27.472 --> 01:28:30.834
[SPEAKER_00]: And like, I just think Sorkin is just constantly like stepping on his own dick.
01:28:33.023 --> 01:28:34.183
[SPEAKER_01]: Not hard enough for my taste.
01:28:34.504 --> 01:28:38.725
[SPEAKER_00]: I know, but he just makes insane choices.
01:28:39.046 --> 01:28:56.273
[SPEAKER_00]: To inner cut January 6th in between all of this like journalistic stuff and I just thought was so crazy and the January 6th up looked so corny and he goes out of his way and not to mention Trump's name.
01:28:56.793 --> 01:29:02.577
[SPEAKER_01]: Not to say what what exactly political extremism we're even talking about right now There's like a sequence.
01:29:02.597 --> 01:29:12.764
[SPEAKER_00]: There's like a montage where Francis and Jeff are like Getting all the files together and she's quit her job at Facebook and she's like trying to you know get as much
01:29:13.404 --> 01:29:15.086
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, files as she can.
01:29:15.146 --> 01:29:20.811
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like a really sort of interesting like fun journalism sequence, but he keeps cutting in the fucking January 6 stuff.
01:29:21.391 --> 01:29:26.216
[SPEAKER_00]: And then when she's giving her speech at Congress, he keeps cutting in the January 6 stuff.
01:29:26.236 --> 01:29:28.538
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, you are draining all of the power.
01:29:29.240 --> 01:29:35.765
[SPEAKER_00]: from this cool montage and then from this big triumphant speech moment by cutting in January 6.
01:29:36.166 --> 01:29:38.167
[SPEAKER_00]: And it goes far beyond that.
01:29:38.428 --> 01:29:42.731
[SPEAKER_00]: And you said like in terms of like him not trusting the audience, I'll just make this one less point.
01:29:42.911 --> 01:29:44.232
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like he's like, get it?
01:29:44.653 --> 01:29:48.276
[SPEAKER_00]: Political extremism, political extremism, Facebook, political extremism.
01:29:48.596 --> 01:29:52.439
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like he's not trusting anyone to fucking have this spelled out for them.
01:29:53.180 --> 01:29:57.564
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was just like, we don't need to keep doing this.
01:29:58.204 --> 01:30:01.505
[SPEAKER_01]: I think what if he creates me more, is that what he's spelling out is so incomplete?
01:30:02.165 --> 01:30:08.508
[SPEAKER_01]: And also, I think he's, I think it's another one where I don't, I think he really, whatever point he was trying to make he loses at the end.
01:30:09.028 --> 01:30:11.569
[SPEAKER_01]: Looks like social network, I think really let's Mark Zuckerberg off the hook.
01:30:11.869 --> 01:30:13.109
[SPEAKER_01]: This one he's doing the opposite.
01:30:13.349 --> 01:30:14.310
[SPEAKER_01]: It's called the social reckoning.
01:30:14.370 --> 01:30:20.892
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no fucking reckoning now, even at the end, it's like, she speaks to Congress and I'm like, I'm sorry, man, we are even in fiction.
01:30:21.232 --> 01:30:26.334
[SPEAKER_01]: We are well beyond the place where if the movie ends with, we finally got the information to the reporters.
01:30:26.694 --> 01:30:33.458
[SPEAKER_01]: Or to Congress and that you couldn't end clear in present danger the same way right now like oh That's not the Congress and then nothing will fucking happen.
01:30:33.958 --> 01:30:37.260
[SPEAKER_01]: I know I know I know that the Chiron's at the end.
01:30:37.280 --> 01:30:41.042
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like in Facebook It's like Facebook changed its name to meta.
01:30:41.242 --> 01:30:46.085
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it was mildly humiliating briefly in Zuckerberg is still a billionaire and there were no consequences for him
01:30:46.405 --> 01:31:09.346
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, and yeah, like there's been some movement about like restricting young people on it and that I think that's mostly a good thing, but even that's They have, I think the biggest thing that has come from this is that some states have sued meta for harming kids And successfully, and successfully, yeah, yeah, and then they one big and who knows what that will be again It's like this moving target We do get her
01:31:10.567 --> 01:31:14.349
[SPEAKER_01]: This pumping, and it's like, it's like, it's like, it's okay.
01:31:14.369 --> 01:31:17.270
[SPEAKER_00]: Really hard to be like this was a victory.
01:31:17.290 --> 01:31:17.650
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:31:17.930 --> 01:31:25.413
[SPEAKER_00]: I will say, I think I differ from you a little bit, and I'm a little bit kinder to it in the sense, like, I think this is a bad movie straight up.
01:31:25.433 --> 01:31:25.633
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
01:31:26.274 --> 01:31:32.116
[SPEAKER_00]: But I also understand that Sorkin is like, okay, nobody read the Facebook files.
01:31:32.696 --> 01:31:34.217
[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody read this article.
01:31:34.957 --> 01:31:36.518
[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody watch the earrings.
01:31:37.238 --> 01:31:52.032
[SPEAKER_00]: And so what I'm going to do is like synthesize this information into like the most dumb down form of like mainstream entered propaganda entertainers understand what happened and and I think there is some value in like
01:31:53.268 --> 01:32:15.768
[SPEAKER_00]: getting it across to people like I'm like if someone watches this on again someone watches this on a plane and it's like hmm Facebook is doing bad stuff with the algorithm then I'm like good yes that's true but I also think they're better ways to do it I don't think I'm better ways to do it in terms of like generally I think you know social sociologically this movie probably is an evil
01:32:16.559 --> 01:32:40.938
[SPEAKER_01]: but like I think about like the films that he's obviously emulating like all the president's man's spotlight and these are movies where the process of not only acquiring the information but also the lack of faith the crisis of faith that occurs and spotlight literally and in all the president's man nationally is like I and I feel like he's trying to get at this with my
01:32:44.533 --> 01:33:06.561
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but like, I think by the time the Facebook files came out, we all knew it was shit like we're not we're not we're not but you're not portraying What we believe even the people who stand by it and radicalize a lot of think that your Facebook's kind of I Oh, yeah, we all know that so like when the it was reason why when the when the Facebook files came out It didn't feel like a bomb drop water guy is because we're all just like well.
01:33:06.601 --> 01:33:07.101
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we were like.
01:33:07.121 --> 01:33:07.421
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:33:07.561 --> 01:33:12.423
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean it's nice to have evidence But yeah, no, that's basically what we all seem I feel like I just imagine like
01:33:13.123 --> 01:33:23.989
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, like a boomer relative of mine like watching this on HBO or something and then being like, hey, wow, okay, that makes sense like I'm like, okay, there is people you in it.
01:33:24.009 --> 01:33:24.629
[SPEAKER_01]: There it is.
01:33:24.689 --> 01:33:28.692
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, if that's if that's the movies like you see that is positive.
01:33:28.732 --> 01:33:29.932
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll give you that.
01:33:29.952 --> 01:33:34.895
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm like, I'm giving it a little bit of credit for like this has some like social value.
01:33:34.915 --> 01:33:36.396
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's bad.
01:33:36.576 --> 01:33:38.197
[SPEAKER_01]: The social value would have been a better title.
01:33:40.098 --> 01:33:52.347
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, last movie, there is a new Apple original Erid and it's green and theaters and I'm glad it did because it's very pretty, but it's mostly going to be seen on Apple TV+, it is called Tenzing, yes.
01:33:52.527 --> 01:33:58.012
[SPEAKER_01]: And it is about a really important historical figure who doesn't get enough credit and a lot of people in America
01:33:58.997 --> 01:34:04.162
[SPEAKER_01]: know the other person who did the thing this person is famous for but couldn't name his name and his name is Tensin Norge.
01:34:05.563 --> 01:34:13.110
[SPEAKER_01]: And he was the mountaineer slash Sherpa although that's a specific cultural thing and he's technically not from.
01:34:13.650 --> 01:34:18.475
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not ethnically Sherpa which is a plot point in the movie and they talk about that.
01:34:19.015 --> 01:34:25.321
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah when he was young was around the time that's a bunch of people started really in earnest trying to climb Mount Everest.
01:34:26.252 --> 01:34:28.355
[SPEAKER_01]: and he became obsessed with climbing my Everest as well.
01:34:28.616 --> 01:34:37.669
[SPEAKER_01]: And he worked his way up until he became a systems the mountaineers until he became a world-class mountaineer himself and in the end, spoiler alert, someone scaled Mount Everest.
01:34:38.536 --> 01:34:43.118
[SPEAKER_01]: You probably know Edmund, was Edmund Hillary, if I'm like, right, not Mallory, it was Edmund Hillary.
01:34:43.139 --> 01:34:46.640
[SPEAKER_01]: Every Hillary, in this movie is played by Tom Hedleston.
01:34:46.660 --> 01:34:47.261
[SPEAKER_01]: Tom Hedleston.
01:34:47.581 --> 01:34:51.443
[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll say, Tom Hedleston, I've written Scott, and I was like, I wish, we're what happened to him.
01:34:51.483 --> 01:34:51.923
[SPEAKER_01]: He was great.
01:34:53.544 --> 01:34:59.107
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, everyone, everyone in America, I think, knows that name, and they don't know a Tensing Norgay, and this is the Tensing Norgay story.
01:34:59.247 --> 01:35:03.730
[SPEAKER_01]: And even though I think a lot of this movie has, you know, kind of yet some formula, and it released some of which is history together,
01:35:04.590 --> 01:35:05.932
[SPEAKER_01]: More so than the social reckoning.
01:35:05.992 --> 01:35:11.098
[SPEAKER_01]: I think this is a story that even if this is, you know, a little Hollywoodized You should know the story.
01:35:11.498 --> 01:35:15.182
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I think that's a positive as long as it's well made And I think it's also well made.
01:35:15.282 --> 01:35:20.628
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, well, this is a biopic and you know, I hope 70 years is enough time
01:35:21.749 --> 01:35:28.033
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think, I don't think, I don't think in 70 years it'd be like, you know, who really shouldn't have done what he did in his entire game.
01:35:28.053 --> 01:35:29.514
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just kidding, yeah.
01:35:29.914 --> 01:35:38.779
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think, yeah, what makes this film innovative is that it's about the Sherpa, who's played mostly by Gendon Funtalk, who I thought was great.
01:35:38.879 --> 01:35:39.499
[SPEAKER_00]: Really good!
01:35:39.739 --> 01:35:39.999
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a...
01:35:40.019 --> 01:35:40.860
[SPEAKER_01]: I was not familiar with his work.
01:35:41.000 --> 01:35:43.361
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe he's a, I don't think he's been in that many movies.
01:35:43.381 --> 01:35:44.322
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's like good.
01:35:44.782 --> 01:35:46.284
[SPEAKER_00]: Chinese Tibetan actor?
01:35:46.304 --> 01:35:48.746
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let me see in the book, because I'd like it as only a few.
01:35:48.827 --> 01:35:50.889
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's been in like four movies or something.
01:35:50.969 --> 01:35:53.371
[SPEAKER_01]: He was in a movie called Snow Leopard.
01:35:53.411 --> 01:35:56.194
[SPEAKER_01]: That was the one I'd heard of, but I didn't see he was in a movie called Wind.
01:35:57.636 --> 01:36:00.939
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, these were not particularly huge roles in certainly in America.
01:36:01.638 --> 01:36:05.000
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I just say, if this gets anybody to watch it, he's extremely attractive.
01:36:05.580 --> 01:36:07.741
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes, thank you.
01:36:07.941 --> 01:36:10.142
[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, it doesn't hurt.
01:36:10.462 --> 01:36:11.363
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it doesn't hurt.
01:36:11.383 --> 01:36:11.963
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't hurt.
01:36:12.063 --> 01:36:17.906
[SPEAKER_00]: It's directed by Jennifer Peedum, and it's written by Luke Davies, like adapted from a book.
01:36:18.046 --> 01:36:19.787
[SPEAKER_01]: And Peedum, I believe, was a documentarian.
01:36:20.047 --> 01:36:24.369
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think she's made some docs about sherpas and mountaineering and stuff like that.
01:36:24.449 --> 01:36:28.211
[SPEAKER_01]: And you get that sense when we're actually all the climbing footage feels very,
01:36:29.494 --> 01:36:40.198
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I mean, we've seen actual climbing documentaries, but like, so this is obviously, you know, staged, but like, it feels like someone who has been there and knows what it looks like and what will make it look fake and what what make it look fake.
01:36:40.218 --> 01:36:49.082
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I thought it was actually really beautifully filmed and there were some like shots that actually gave me a little bit of vertigo because I'm very afraid of heights.
01:36:49.162 --> 01:36:49.762
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:36:49.822 --> 01:36:55.044
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of these like POV shots of like the crampons like going into the snow and I
01:36:57.065 --> 01:36:59.726
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you would even if I had a good knee, you would never catch me doing that.
01:36:59.926 --> 01:37:01.086
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not a movie for you.
01:37:01.106 --> 01:37:01.506
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
01:37:01.526 --> 01:37:06.827
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not afraid of heights, but I don't want to fall from them, so I'm going to I want to avoid putting myself in that situation.
01:37:06.887 --> 01:37:07.867
[SPEAKER_00]: But I do think that way.
01:37:07.887 --> 01:37:09.848
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's not touching the void, which freaked me the fuck out.
01:37:09.888 --> 01:37:10.548
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:37:11.288 --> 01:37:18.810
[SPEAKER_00]: I do think that the movie isn't... Like, if you've seen Everest, which was a movie with Jason Clark,
01:37:19.110 --> 01:37:23.716
[SPEAKER_01]: I was Jason Clark and Kira Knightley played his life and two scenes on a phone, which I thought was hilarious.
01:37:23.736 --> 01:37:26.660
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, very forgettable, but, you know, it's okay with that.
01:37:26.820 --> 01:37:32.146
[SPEAKER_00]: And that makes you, that's also a basic history story, and like, it's just like, brutal terrifying.
01:37:32.206 --> 01:37:36.552
[SPEAKER_00]: And this, I was like, I kind of appreciated that, even though there were some scary moments,
01:37:37.613 --> 01:37:52.145
[SPEAKER_00]: I felt like her filmmaking approach to the landscape to the mountain was more in line with the sherpa's approach to the mountain, which is like they have a spiritual relationship with this land with this landscape.
01:37:52.205 --> 01:37:58.070
[SPEAKER_00]: And so the English, he ends up negotiating a spot on the English climbing team, so he's not a sherpa.
01:37:58.470 --> 01:37:59.050
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
01:37:59.231 --> 01:38:00.732
[SPEAKER_00]: And he is a member of the team.
01:38:00.792 --> 01:38:02.253
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, the little, sometimes I'm straight on like one by the way.
01:38:02.273 --> 01:38:02.393
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
01:38:02.413 --> 01:38:04.234
[SPEAKER_00]: They treat him, you know, differently.
01:38:04.274 --> 01:38:08.097
[SPEAKER_00]: He's played by, or the leader of the team is played by Willem Dafoe.
01:38:08.597 --> 01:38:13.320
[SPEAKER_00]: And so he's kind of like a helper at times and an antagonist villain at other times.
01:38:13.420 --> 01:38:25.128
[SPEAKER_00]: But they really emphasize, I mean, Petum and Davies really emphasize the, the sherpa's spiritual relationship with the land and and they keep talking about how they, they want to climb up on her shoulder and was
01:38:26.209 --> 01:38:30.800
[SPEAKER_01]: Meanwhile, Willem Dafoe was saying, we're going to conquer that mountain, and that's a very different vibe.
01:38:30.880 --> 01:38:34.508
[SPEAKER_01]: And the reason why Tom Hiddleston's, I'm sorry, Edmund Hillary.
01:38:35.105 --> 01:38:39.486
[SPEAKER_01]: is able to connect with tensing so much more is because they're both kind of for the right reasons.
01:38:39.827 --> 01:38:41.347
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's also another outsider.
01:38:41.407 --> 01:38:41.747
[SPEAKER_00]: He is.
01:38:41.947 --> 01:38:42.848
[SPEAKER_00]: He's from New Zealand.
01:38:42.868 --> 01:38:43.848
[SPEAKER_01]: Totally the same thing.
01:38:44.068 --> 01:38:45.408
[SPEAKER_00]: He's the key way.
01:38:45.748 --> 01:38:47.709
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a bit of a stretch, I think.
01:38:47.829 --> 01:38:49.390
[SPEAKER_01]: But they try to make that in a kind of work.
01:38:49.410 --> 01:38:51.870
[SPEAKER_00]: The movie tries to make it like, oh, there.
01:38:52.131 --> 01:38:59.573
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's like, he initially, like, will him to phone initially sends two breads who flop at somebody in the mountain and then he has to send his
01:39:00.013 --> 01:39:08.841
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the colonized colonized, would you know the people who send them are going to be kind of pissed about because I was the whole thing It's like Britain the Brits have to do this right.
01:39:08.861 --> 01:39:09.521
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why we're here.
01:39:09.541 --> 01:39:15.226
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why we mounted the mission and it's like yeah Nationalism had to take us a back seat because only two people could actually do it
01:39:15.486 --> 01:39:37.958
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but so I mean, I think like the movie's kind of tropey, it flashes back and forth between his you know up his growing up and his young adulthood and then you know his family life This sort of reasons why he's doing this and then it You know then it goes to the present day to them climbing the mountain and so it does have these kind of like tropey biopic gay moments But I think that like
01:39:38.558 --> 01:39:43.060
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just a beautifully made film, good performances, and it's an inspiring story.
01:39:43.100 --> 01:39:53.903
[SPEAKER_01]: It reminded me of the kind of bass on a true story inspirational film that Disney used to do back in the cool runnings days where we were like, we're like, like, we're gonna fuck history up.
01:39:53.963 --> 01:40:04.487
[SPEAKER_01]: One of these are not gonna be who they are, like, in this movie, like, tensing nor gay, like, had multiple wives, which was, like, allowed in his culture, and it wasn't, like, what's like, he was a bad person, but we're really just cutting all that out.
01:40:04.527 --> 01:40:06.448
[SPEAKER_01]: We're just gonna make it as simple as we possibly can.
01:40:06.988 --> 01:40:11.431
[SPEAKER_01]: A very relatable underdog story with no nuance and that works.
01:40:11.652 --> 01:40:28.724
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not gonna pretend it doesn't work For sure, and ultimately what we're talking about is a guy who climbed a mountain That's someone who like whose politics influence the world or something like that and has maybe been Either vilified too much or honored too much and we need to like this is someone who's story We just don't know yeah, yeah, yeah, there was actually a
01:40:29.825 --> 01:40:33.348
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you see the Netflix original best of the best that came out last month?
01:40:33.408 --> 01:40:36.050
[SPEAKER_01]: No, but I want to see it so much fun.
01:40:36.470 --> 01:40:38.852
[SPEAKER_01]: It is the best step of the movie that is not a step of the movie.
01:40:38.872 --> 01:40:45.938
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I did watch because what's his name, Hassan Manage, who I think produced best of the best.
01:40:45.978 --> 01:40:47.259
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's also in and I think he can corrode it.
01:40:47.439 --> 01:41:02.507
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so that he had like a dock you series that it was based on which he released on his YouTube channel and it's so I watched the dock you series It's like a reality show about these Dancer teams it's like it's Bollywood dance competition.
01:41:02.547 --> 01:41:05.548
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I really want to watch best of the best Is I want to see the film?
01:41:05.688 --> 01:41:14.833
[SPEAKER_01]: It's extremely funny really good characters throughout they understand how to tell story through dance It's got very much that same step up like any problem can be solved by having a dance
01:41:15.553 --> 01:41:37.072
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but there's a because the Bollywood aspect of the dance competition means there's a lot of storytelling involved and not abstract very literal storytelling There is actually one of the centerpieces in the movie is one of the dance teams is doing a dance version of the dancing or a story No way Wow, that's a weird fucking synergy right there and then while we were just talking about it and we were talking about how you know This is a tale of
01:41:37.552 --> 01:41:48.162
[SPEAKER_01]: you know heroism and survival and treating the thing that could kill you in a spiritual way while having a big flashback structure, I was like shit, this is wailfall but not gross.
01:41:48.662 --> 01:41:57.791
[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of what it is like wailfall because at this time there's like a harrowing moment on the mountain it'll like flashback to him and his wife or her leg.
01:41:58.972 --> 01:42:08.699
[SPEAKER_00]: him as a kid and he had kind of a traumatic childhood because his parents left him behind and he wasn't part of the group, you know, he was a shepherd.
01:42:08.719 --> 01:42:11.822
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, totally, they're very different, but structurally there's a lot in common.
01:42:11.982 --> 01:42:14.284
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, structurally there's a lot in common, yeah.
01:42:14.704 --> 01:42:16.526
[SPEAKER_01]: And but structurally I think they're both work.
01:42:16.566 --> 01:42:20.189
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a very effective movie, it's not particularly deep.
01:42:20.269 --> 01:42:23.912
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have a lot of, I don't have a lot of mine here.
01:42:24.072 --> 01:42:26.694
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't think this is like going to be a longer street by a long shot today.
01:42:28.497 --> 01:42:29.197
[SPEAKER_01]: It's simple.
01:42:29.317 --> 01:42:30.158
[SPEAKER_01]: It's effective.
01:42:30.998 --> 01:42:31.939
[SPEAKER_01]: I knew of him.
01:42:31.999 --> 01:42:33.280
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't really know his story.
01:42:33.520 --> 01:42:40.584
[SPEAKER_01]: And after I saw the movie, I looked him up and I realized that like, okay, we, we fludged a few things, but then mostly accurate in the, in the important stuff.
01:42:40.644 --> 01:42:47.727
[SPEAKER_00]: And so this is, this is a classic, like, keep it in your back pocket for Thanksgiving.
01:42:48.268 --> 01:42:49.008
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone can enjoy this.
01:42:49.028 --> 01:42:50.449
[SPEAKER_00]: Because everyone can enjoy it.
01:42:50.749 --> 01:42:52.250
[SPEAKER_00]: Older people, younger people.
01:42:52.370 --> 01:42:55.031
[SPEAKER_00]: It's probably writing like a PG-13ish rating.
01:42:55.091 --> 01:42:55.932
[SPEAKER_01]: There's peril.
01:42:56.172 --> 01:43:00.974
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a real camera roll and there's no like, nothing inappropriate.
01:43:01.114 --> 01:43:05.415
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like a kind of like, you know, please everyone.
01:43:05.435 --> 01:43:07.096
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I didn't think any of them were swears in it.
01:43:07.216 --> 01:43:08.577
[SPEAKER_01]: I could be wrong, but I don't remember.
01:43:08.637 --> 01:43:14.599
[SPEAKER_01]: There's like one scene where like some of the characters like take a whiz on a lawn, but if I'll get see anything, it's like.
01:43:30.560 --> 01:43:31.521
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a smooth thing.
01:43:31.541 --> 01:43:43.392
[SPEAKER_00]: When I was a kid, I used to love reading survival stories, shipwrecks, mountains, statues, any like true stories about people surviving, I loved reading.
01:43:43.432 --> 01:43:47.835
[SPEAKER_00]: So like I do feel like kids can get into this and older people could get into it too.
01:43:47.895 --> 01:43:49.477
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, it's just very pretty.
01:43:49.817 --> 01:43:58.503
[SPEAKER_00]: It's very pretty, great actors, um, I just, and, you know, Katrina Balf or Katrina Balf is in this as well.
01:43:58.723 --> 01:44:01.265
[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, I feel like this is just like a nice movie.
01:44:01.385 --> 01:44:10.831
[SPEAKER_01]: I had an interesting experience because I saw this at, um, and obviously people at home are going to get to have this, that's not that amazing, but I saw this at the Apple Screening room, which is a very nice screening room.
01:44:10.851 --> 01:44:13.893
[SPEAKER_01]: It's one of the nicer individual screening rooms in LA.
01:44:13.913 --> 01:44:15.113
[SPEAKER_00]: Was it the bigger one or the smaller one?
01:44:15.133 --> 01:44:15.854
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was the bigger one.
01:44:15.934 --> 01:44:17.235
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I think it was in the smaller one.
01:44:17.395 --> 01:44:18.616
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, in any case, um,
01:44:19.236 --> 01:44:20.477
[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing is cold.
01:44:20.697 --> 01:44:22.378
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that's what I'm getting at.
01:44:22.458 --> 01:44:39.808
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like right underneath like an air conditioning jet So what I recommend is when you watch tensing sit next to your air conditioner if you can and you'll just get a slight kind of surround Yeah, I made the mistake of seeing I'm trying to see hope in 40 x. Oh my god.
01:44:39.828 --> 01:44:41.409
[SPEAKER_01]: I had to leave after 15 minutes.
01:44:41.469 --> 01:44:42.069
[SPEAKER_01]: Really?
01:44:42.149 --> 01:44:43.530
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I was too violent
01:44:43.770 --> 01:44:45.331
[SPEAKER_01]: because it was hurting my knee.
01:44:45.571 --> 01:44:52.695
[SPEAKER_01]: I had my bad knee and it was like, if I'd stayed the entire like over two and a half hour movie, I think I might have had to go to the hospital.
01:44:52.875 --> 01:44:54.656
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a really bad experience.
01:44:55.097 --> 01:44:57.658
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, I think it was one of the least immersive things that I've ever been in.
01:44:58.078 --> 01:45:02.541
[SPEAKER_01]: But I feel like just like, I'm gonna watch this cold movie next to the air conditioner.
01:45:03.161 --> 01:45:04.202
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the sweet spot.
01:45:04.322 --> 01:45:04.522
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:45:04.757 --> 01:45:05.618
[SPEAKER_01]: That was nice.
01:45:05.658 --> 01:45:09.241
[SPEAKER_01]: That gave me just like a little bit of like, yeah, I do know what it's like to be chilly.
01:45:09.581 --> 01:45:14.805
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're going through the same thing especially the LA has been so high.
01:45:15.045 --> 01:45:18.248
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a very nice like immersive experience.
01:45:18.448 --> 01:45:24.252
[SPEAKER_01]: See, I remember when I was in film school on I learned that one of the reasons movie theaters even survived the great depression was because they had air conditioning.
01:45:24.533 --> 01:45:24.913
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
01:45:24.973 --> 01:45:29.977
[SPEAKER_01]: There were very cheap and you could send their all day air conditioning and it was like, yeah, man, that'd do it.
01:45:30.578 --> 01:45:30.958
[SPEAKER_00]: I get it.
01:45:31.378 --> 01:45:32.239
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I fucking get it.
01:45:32.379 --> 01:45:33.140
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what they're for.
01:45:33.461 --> 01:45:35.743
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, that is it for our movie reviews.
01:45:35.783 --> 01:45:43.631
[SPEAKER_01]: It is time to review films on are critically acclaimed scale for those of you who may not have been listening for a very long time or just need a reminder.
01:45:43.952 --> 01:45:46.674
[SPEAKER_01]: Are critically acclaimed scale goes from C minus to C plus.
01:45:47.595 --> 01:45:49.996
[SPEAKER_01]: A C minus is a film that is below average.
01:45:50.016 --> 01:45:54.377
[SPEAKER_01]: These are films we don't recommend, whether we think they're just not very good or think they're absolutely terrible.
01:45:54.897 --> 01:45:56.438
[SPEAKER_01]: A C is an average movie.
01:45:56.478 --> 01:45:59.939
[SPEAKER_01]: These are movies that are just okay, or maybe it makes bag more from one.
01:45:59.979 --> 01:46:01.019
[SPEAKER_01]: I need one audience than another.
01:46:01.460 --> 01:46:03.420
[SPEAKER_01]: And then a C plus is in above average movie.
01:46:03.460 --> 01:46:08.522
[SPEAKER_01]: These are movies we flat out recommend, whether we think they're the best movie of the year, just really fun.
01:46:08.842 --> 01:46:11.243
[SPEAKER_01]: On that note, tensing, okay, where would you land?
01:46:12.034 --> 01:46:15.937
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll give it a C+, yeah, I would recommend it to anyone.
01:46:16.317 --> 01:46:20.440
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it's a non-committal C+, like this is gonna make my best of the year.
01:46:20.460 --> 01:46:21.200
[SPEAKER_01]: No, like yeah.
01:46:21.280 --> 01:46:25.083
[SPEAKER_01]: In terms of like this is a movie, I think you could put on at any time and just have been watched.
01:46:25.323 --> 01:46:29.746
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I feel like if this movie came out in the 90s, it would be constantly in rotation on like TBS.
01:46:30.046 --> 01:46:31.847
[SPEAKER_01]: Retribution, you know, it's so interesting.
01:46:31.947 --> 01:46:34.209
[SPEAKER_01]: People are like, like that movie tends to, yeah.
01:46:34.229 --> 01:46:35.950
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so let's see plus for that social reckoning.
01:46:36.343 --> 01:46:36.883
[SPEAKER_00]: see minus.
01:46:37.223 --> 01:46:38.444
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's not very good.
01:46:38.464 --> 01:46:39.764
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to see minus as well.
01:46:40.164 --> 01:46:41.225
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't I don't like it.
01:46:41.625 --> 01:46:42.285
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, much.
01:46:42.785 --> 01:46:43.125
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
01:46:43.165 --> 01:46:44.386
[SPEAKER_00]: You just like it more than me.
01:46:44.406 --> 01:46:44.926
[SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
01:46:44.966 --> 01:46:47.487
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that does seem clear, but you're giving a see minus minus.
01:46:48.207 --> 01:46:49.007
[SPEAKER_01]: No, we don't do that.
01:46:49.047 --> 01:46:49.367
[SPEAKER_01]: It's either.
01:46:49.567 --> 01:46:51.888
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to give it a d to different movies.
01:46:52.348 --> 01:46:58.330
[SPEAKER_01]: There were Melania and cats and cats was like at the very least I was able to enjoy watching Melania was like should have given that an F.
01:46:58.638 --> 01:47:01.800
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but moving a sense and sensibility.
01:47:02.100 --> 01:47:03.001
[SPEAKER_00]: See plus.
01:47:03.041 --> 01:47:03.681
[SPEAKER_01]: Huge, super plus.
01:47:03.701 --> 01:47:03.921
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:47:03.961 --> 01:47:04.742
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a lightful film.
01:47:05.142 --> 01:47:08.364
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I still prefer the angley version overall, but you can't go wrong.
01:47:08.544 --> 01:47:08.644
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:47:08.684 --> 01:47:09.044
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so great.
01:47:09.285 --> 01:47:09.885
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:47:09.905 --> 01:47:10.806
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, will fall.
01:47:11.406 --> 01:47:12.226
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to give it a see.
01:47:12.547 --> 01:47:12.767
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
01:47:13.107 --> 01:47:13.307
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:47:13.527 --> 01:47:15.989
[SPEAKER_01]: Just a, mm-hmm.
01:47:16.009 --> 01:47:17.730
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, I mean, you can't.
01:47:17.750 --> 01:47:19.851
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I wouldn't be if you wanted to elaborate on why.
01:47:19.951 --> 01:47:21.132
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to give you an opportunity.
01:47:21.372 --> 01:47:22.012
[SPEAKER_01]: Or you can just let it sit.
01:47:23.688 --> 01:47:25.490
[SPEAKER_01]: the sea is fine, what do we have to say?
01:47:25.510 --> 01:47:26.491
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, you go.
01:47:26.891 --> 01:47:31.535
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm gonna, I think I'm gonna give it like, I'm gonna give it like a low sea plus, like just on the edge.
01:47:31.935 --> 01:47:33.637
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like a low sea plus too.
01:47:33.657 --> 01:47:42.665
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like it's not like, I wish it was transcendent, but it's weird enough, and it's still a survival that I kind of have to tell you to see it in the experience of yourself.
01:47:42.865 --> 01:47:50.027
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the survival stuff is so well-made that the filmmaking is really good and I like how Duffield leans into the horror.
01:47:50.047 --> 01:47:51.427
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:47:51.547 --> 01:47:55.688
[SPEAKER_00]: I do think some people are gonna like thumb up against the like emotional spiritual stuff.
01:47:55.748 --> 01:48:01.250
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the third act is either gonna be something where you're just like fuck you out or you're gonna bounce off it completely.
01:48:01.290 --> 01:48:03.230
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're gonna be like, I don't know if I'd buy it.
01:48:03.270 --> 01:48:04.271
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna give it a seat plus.
01:48:04.411 --> 01:48:05.111
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna seat plus.
01:48:05.151 --> 01:48:05.491
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, fuck.
01:48:05.511 --> 01:48:09.132
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, and then lastly, I'm actually don't know where you're going to know this exactly street fighter.
01:48:10.672 --> 01:48:14.216
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I should give it a C or a C minus.
01:48:14.256 --> 01:48:18.880
[SPEAKER_01]: This is one of those ones where I can see any rating, making sense regardless of how you feel.
01:48:18.900 --> 01:48:20.562
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, like you said, like, what's a good movie?
01:48:20.582 --> 01:48:24.246
[SPEAKER_01]: It kind of defies like a traditional sense of good and bad.
01:48:24.666 --> 01:48:27.249
[SPEAKER_01]: So for me, I think I'm going to cut the difference in color to C. I think it's like,
01:48:28.323 --> 01:48:30.566
[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's so chaotic and so incoherent.
01:48:31.427 --> 01:48:39.135
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure I could handle watching it more than one more time Maybe I don't really I got it, but boy, are there gonna be clips on TikTok?
01:48:39.616 --> 01:48:42.759
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think so I think I respect that they went
01:48:43.580 --> 01:48:48.421
[SPEAKER_01]: full out, just wild, weird, horny, fetishistic, bizarre.
01:48:48.681 --> 01:48:53.043
[SPEAKER_01]: I had a good time watching it, but I also don't know how come from like, I recommend it to everybody.
01:48:53.063 --> 01:48:54.863
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a very particular sensibility.
01:48:54.883 --> 01:48:55.223
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:48:55.343 --> 01:48:56.744
[SPEAKER_01]: And then absolutely no sense.
01:48:57.224 --> 01:48:59.504
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to be saying, I think it's an interesting see.
01:48:59.564 --> 01:49:00.745
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a little low sea.
01:49:00.845 --> 01:49:01.105
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:49:01.265 --> 01:49:05.486
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like if I saw this, if I was on a plane and this was available, I'd be like, oh,
01:49:07.117 --> 01:49:07.897
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what it's for.
01:49:08.138 --> 01:49:09.098
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:49:09.358 --> 01:49:11.439
[SPEAKER_01]: I watched a geostorm on a plane.
01:49:11.479 --> 01:49:12.100
[SPEAKER_01]: I never seen it.
01:49:12.540 --> 01:49:13.440
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I watched it.
01:49:13.460 --> 01:49:15.581
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, this is the perfect airplane movie.
01:49:15.642 --> 01:49:16.182
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:49:16.202 --> 01:49:17.142
[SPEAKER_01]: This was a delightful thing.
01:49:17.462 --> 01:49:23.866
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a fan, I've like a head cannon in that movie where Abby Cornish is playing a terminator who's learning to be human the whole time.
01:49:23.926 --> 01:49:26.087
[SPEAKER_01]: Because her performance is fucking bizarre.
01:49:26.647 --> 01:49:27.208
[SPEAKER_01]: And I love it.
01:49:27.748 --> 01:49:27.968
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:49:28.148 --> 01:49:30.389
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01:49:30.409 --> 01:49:31.370
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01:50:40.150 --> 01:50:43.052
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and you should get used to it because you may have noticed.
01:50:43.072 --> 01:50:43.332
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01:50:46.093 --> 01:50:46.894
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01:50:46.914 --> 01:50:48.534
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01:50:52.897 --> 01:50:55.178
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01:50:57.814 --> 01:51:00.763
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna go to the Midnight Show!
01:51:01.545 --> 01:51:02.387
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