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Hi, I'm Nahari Kananda and you are listening to express podcasts.
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Mubail Crushes, in addition to setting up pressures in urban areas,
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also work in the rural belts of Udisha, Charkhund and
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Chatashka to ensure that the children in these belts have
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access to creushes and early childhood care, which is the
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first step towards a brighter future.
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For the children, the family and the country as a whole.
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In the last three episodes, we have spoken to political
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leaders and experts on the benefits of early childhood care
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and how it is being implemented in states like Haryana
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and Karnataka. In the next two episodes, we will hear
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from on ground actioners about their efforts and the challenges
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that they face today. In the fourth episode of our
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five part series, in association with Mobile Crushes, we will
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discuss why policy support is essential for early childhood development
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and the role that is played by grassroot governance structures
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like panchayats early childhood development to reach the interiors of
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India when chiats play a transformative role in shifting community
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mindsets and getting them used to the concept of cresh services. Today,
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we will hear from Jurish Recast, Executive director Policy and Partnerships,
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Mobile Crushes and a community engagement expert Mukish Komar on
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how Mobile Crushes works with over fifty punchayats to mobilize
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community and make them understand that sending a child to
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a crush is not leaving them behind, but it is
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helping them move towards a brighter future. So, Churishreamam to
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begin with, can you tell us how do national policies
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currently support early childhood development and where do you see
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gaps that need urgent attention.
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If we talk about the policy, think there are a
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lot of policy at the national level, like is you
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see policy that is early Childhood Care and Education policy
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which has been passed in twenty thirty which talk about
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holistic right of the child for zero to six years.
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In that norms and standards has been set and one
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of the important things in that policy they have talked
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about five percent a converted into pressures where the children
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can stay more than seventy hours in a place in
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a very safe, secure and nurturing environment space. So that
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is the one of the SEC policy and I'm very
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proud to share that Mobile Cristius was.
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Very much instrumental in coming.
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This policy and we were part of the drafting committee
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and eighty to ninety percent of our suggestions were accepted
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by the government. So that was a very landmark achievement.
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We will say in the SEC Policy twenty thirteen. Second
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policy is that new Education Policy twenty twenty, which is
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the extension first time after the whole our network, our
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mobile crisis effort.
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They have extended to three to eight years.
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So that is also a landmark thing because we know
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that right to education is about six to fourteen and
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under six has been not been included in the right framework.
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So in the policy commitment at least three.
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To eight years has been come.
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Third is the whole potion Abian thing which is twenty
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nineteen that talk about behavioral change thing and in whole
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all the policy documents which has come as in Mobile
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Creases having more than five decades of experience working at
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the childcare field, so government see Mobile Creases as a
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technical partner for their policy drafting and also building demonstration at.
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The ground level. So that is the whole policy front.
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If I say the thing the major gap I think
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is the whole implementation part and that the implementation part
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the gap is because of.
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Very low budgetary allocations.
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If the budget has been actually enhanced, that implementation will
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be good. Some capacity building is another. I think it
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is a major thing which we all have to walk together.
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And I think their need to be joining hands with
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the civil society, organization, government and the private sector. Once
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three of the major key players, if come together, the
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things will be right at the ground level.
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Absolutely, and mom, how do organizations like Mobile Crushes complement
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the government's efforts in providing childcare and early childhood development services?
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Mobile Creashes, as I already talked about that Mobile Creasius
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is part of all the committees which is for policy
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formulation is going so we give our experiences with our
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ground experiences. We actually share our experience at the policy
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front and as a part of the committee we are
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able to influence the government. We also have a strong
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base at the ground level where we also directly work
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at the ground with a very strong bag and we
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actually help the government as a technical support unit to
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set up those childcare provisions at the ground level. Like
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in Haryana, we have signed an MoU with the government
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to have and Crushes at the ground level we have
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signed an MoU in Karnataka and we have also done
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in Telangana and now we are doing but we are
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so there are states which are seeking support from mobile crashes,
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and mobile crishes happily share their experience to be set
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up at the ground level, so that way at the
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policy front also and at the ground level support.
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It's like a handholding kind of thing with the government
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to set up crashes at.
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The ground And since you mentioned that mobile Crushes shares
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its ground level experiences with the government, of course that
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also includes your work.
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With the panchayats. So what role do local governance.
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Structures like panchayats play in strengthening early childhood development services
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at the grassroot level.
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Punchaya plays a very important role in the ECD front
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at the ground level because we know in the seventy
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three Amendment, the eleven schedule of the seventy three Amendment
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talk about twenty nine topics and within the twenty nine topics,
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women and child is one.
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Of the topics.
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And we take that as a leverage point and we
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actually engage closely with the PUNCHAT members aware them and
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for the awaaring Punchat, it is very much required that
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the village people are also aware about the importance of
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early childhood care. Because one of the villages they are
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taking it as in priority, it will come into the
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gram Saba. The whole process is unless the issue has
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not been emerging in gram Sabha and it will be
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not taken up by the Punchat once it is coming
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to the gram Saba. There is second layer is they
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prepare the gram Punchad Development Plan which is called GPTP plan.
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Within the GPTP plan, if most of the people raise
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this issue that young child agenda is important within the
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twenty nine topics, we.
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Should also considered.
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The young child agenda and then they integrate it within
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the development plans and there is an allocated budget at
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the Punchayat level so that budget is been utilized for
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the young child.
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We have worked closely with ninety Punchat last year.
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And we are very proud to share that around one
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twelve lax rupiece has been allocated for the gram Puntat
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for young child issue and that has been a remarkable
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achievement because if we see the baseline earlier, no budget
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was been allocated for the young children. The budget allocation
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is the one phase. Second phase is the ole budget
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tracking part. What is happening the budget sometimes come it
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is not being spent, so another phase we walk that
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actually the budget if one hundred roup has been spent
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in the specific line item or not, but once we
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are tracking with them, it has been actually spent there
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and it has been invested in that.
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And along with strengthening the understanding about the importance of
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early childhood development at the grassroot level, what are some
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other factors that the panchayats need to keep in mind
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while working for the cause.
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Punchat plays a very important role because they are situated
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at the local level and they have very good access
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to the common people.
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And once the easity intervention is done here, that monitoring
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part also comes within them. And if they are monitoring
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that Danganawari center is opening at the right time, the
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whole panganwadi workers is really giving the quality education or
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not and all the infrastructure related requirement has been met
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or not. So that punchat plays an important role. And
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there are a lot of community spaces within the punchat
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level and punchayat can mobilize that community spaces for the
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young child things, so that can be another important component
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where Punchat can play important role.
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And now talking about the other side of the coin.
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Of course, panchayats help the entire cause of early childhood development,
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but the face some issues or some challenges in the
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process as well. So can you tell us about that
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and how do they bring those issues to the forefront.
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Punchat face a lot of problem while allocating budget for
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the ECD provisioning. One problem and challenges they face is
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the whole budget cash flow. Because once the budget is
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allocated at the punchat level, it goes at the block
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level and then at the state level and there is
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a whole central allocated fund which is seventeen lags for
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each punchat and three lack eighty five thousand is.
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For at the state level.
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This fund flow is sometimes get delayed and whatever plan
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has been done, it gets delayed. So it is very
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important that there is continuous cash flow of the plan
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so that they can invest that budget at correct time. Secondly,
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that whole building of those plans. Now government has come
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up with a very standardized format of what are the.
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Components where they and in build the CD provisioning thing.
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Sometimes there is no scope for innovation or unrestricted budget
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within that from work.
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So that is another problem. If they want to.
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Do something out of the box, there is very less
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scope because they have to build their plan within that format.
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So I think these are the two important thing Punchat
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is facing. Panchayat actually continues consult with the videos and
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other Punchat members and they try to influence that within
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the line item if they can pitch in that innovation
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part and they can do that.
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Now we'll be talking tomsh Kumar, a community engagement expert.
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This part of the conversation will be in Hindi Gramen
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Advocation and ma'am towards the end, can you share how
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our listeners can help and support mobile crushes.
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I think there are two ways to support mobile creasures.
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One is that because our main agenda is the young
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child and how they can engage to bring change in
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the life of the young childs that they can do.
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They can start from home, they can associate with Mobile
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Crashes centers, they can give their knowledge sharing to the
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caregivers and they can engage themselves in the centers. And
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third is by giving some financial or knowledge support that
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will really help to mobile crushes to go into extra miles.
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You were listening to Turishrighosh and Maukishkumar in the fourth
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episode of our five part series in Association with Mobile Crushes.
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If you want to listen to the first three episodes,
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Hi, I'm Nahari Kananda and you are listening to express podcasts.
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Mubail Crushes, in addition to setting up pressures in urban areas,
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also work in the rural belts of Udisha, Charkhund and
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Chatashka to ensure that the children in these belts have
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access to creushes and early childhood care, which is the
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first step towards a brighter future.
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For the children, the family and the country as a whole.
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In the last three episodes, we have spoken to political
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leaders and experts on the benefits of early childhood care
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and how it is being implemented in states like Haryana
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and Karnataka. In the next two episodes, we will hear
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from on ground actioners about their efforts and the challenges
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that they face today. In the fourth episode of our
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five part series, in association with Mobile Crushes, we will
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discuss why policy support is essential for early childhood development
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and the role that is played by grassroot governance structures
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like panchayats early childhood development to reach the interiors of
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India when chiats play a transformative role in shifting community
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mindsets and getting them used to the concept of cresh services. Today,
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we will hear from Jurish Recast, Executive director Policy and Partnerships,
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Mobile Crushes and a community engagement expert Mukish Komar on
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how Mobile Crushes works with over fifty punchayats to mobilize
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community and make them understand that sending a child to
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a crush is not leaving them behind, but it is
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helping them move towards a brighter future. So, Churishreamam to
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begin with, can you tell us how do national policies
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currently support early childhood development and where do you see
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gaps that need urgent attention.
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If we talk about the policy, think there are a
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lot of policy at the national level, like is you
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see policy that is early Childhood Care and Education policy
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which has been passed in twenty thirty which talk about
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holistic right of the child for zero to six years.
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In that norms and standards has been set and one
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of the important things in that policy they have talked
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about five percent a converted into pressures where the children
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can stay more than seventy hours in a place in
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a very safe, secure and nurturing environment space. So that
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is the one of the SEC policy and I'm very
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proud to share that Mobile Cristius was.
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Very much instrumental in coming.
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This policy and we were part of the drafting committee
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and eighty to ninety percent of our suggestions were accepted
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by the government. So that was a very landmark achievement.
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We will say in the SEC Policy twenty thirteen. Second
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policy is that new Education Policy twenty twenty, which is
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the extension first time after the whole our network, our
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mobile crisis effort.
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They have extended to three to eight years.
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So that is also a landmark thing because we know
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that right to education is about six to fourteen and
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under six has been not been included in the right framework.
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So in the policy commitment at least three.
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To eight years has been come.
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Third is the whole potion Abian thing which is twenty
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nineteen that talk about behavioral change thing and in whole
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all the policy documents which has come as in Mobile
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Creases having more than five decades of experience working at
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the childcare field, so government see Mobile Creases as a
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technical partner for their policy drafting and also building demonstration at.
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The ground level. So that is the whole policy front.
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If I say the thing the major gap I think
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is the whole implementation part and that the implementation part
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the gap is because of.
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Very low budgetary allocations.
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If the budget has been actually enhanced, that implementation will
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be good. Some capacity building is another. I think it
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is a major thing which we all have to walk together.
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And I think their need to be joining hands with
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the civil society, organization, government and the private sector. Once
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three of the major key players, if come together, the
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things will be right at the ground level.
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Absolutely, and mom, how do organizations like Mobile Crushes complement
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the government's efforts in providing childcare and early childhood development services?
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Mobile Creashes, as I already talked about that Mobile Creasius
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is part of all the committees which is for policy
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formulation is going so we give our experiences with our
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ground experiences. We actually share our experience at the policy
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front and as a part of the committee we are
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able to influence the government. We also have a strong
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base at the ground level where we also directly work
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at the ground with a very strong bag and we
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actually help the government as a technical support unit to
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set up those childcare provisions at the ground level. Like
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in Haryana, we have signed an MoU with the government
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to have and Crushes at the ground level we have
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signed an MoU in Karnataka and we have also done
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in Telangana and now we are doing but we are
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so there are states which are seeking support from mobile crashes,
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and mobile crishes happily share their experience to be set
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up at the ground level, so that way at the
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policy front also and at the ground level support.
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It's like a handholding kind of thing with the government
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to set up crashes at.
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The ground And since you mentioned that mobile Crushes shares
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its ground level experiences with the government, of course that
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also includes your work.
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With the panchayats. So what role do local governance.
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Structures like panchayats play in strengthening early childhood development services
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at the grassroot level.
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Punchaya plays a very important role in the ECD front
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at the ground level because we know in the seventy
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three Amendment, the eleven schedule of the seventy three Amendment
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talk about twenty nine topics and within the twenty nine topics,
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women and child is one.
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Of the topics.
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And we take that as a leverage point and we
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actually engage closely with the PUNCHAT members aware them and
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for the awaaring Punchat, it is very much required that
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the village people are also aware about the importance of
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early childhood care. Because one of the villages they are
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taking it as in priority, it will come into the
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gram Saba. The whole process is unless the issue has
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not been emerging in gram Sabha and it will be
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not taken up by the Punchat once it is coming
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to the gram Saba. There is second layer is they
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prepare the gram Punchad Development Plan which is called GPTP plan.
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Within the GPTP plan, if most of the people raise
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this issue that young child agenda is important within the
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twenty nine topics, we.
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Should also considered.
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The young child agenda and then they integrate it within
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the development plans and there is an allocated budget at
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the Punchayat level so that budget is been utilized for
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the young child.
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We have worked closely with ninety Punchat last year.
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And we are very proud to share that around one
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twelve lax rupiece has been allocated for the gram Puntat
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for young child issue and that has been a remarkable
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achievement because if we see the baseline earlier, no budget
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was been allocated for the young children. The budget allocation
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is the one phase. Second phase is the ole budget
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tracking part. What is happening the budget sometimes come it
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is not being spent, so another phase we walk that
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actually the budget if one hundred roup has been spent
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in the specific line item or not, but once we
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are tracking with them, it has been actually spent there
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and it has been invested in that.
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And along with strengthening the understanding about the importance of
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early childhood development at the grassroot level, what are some
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other factors that the panchayats need to keep in mind
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while working for the cause.
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Punchat plays a very important role because they are situated
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at the local level and they have very good access
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to the common people.
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And once the easity intervention is done here, that monitoring
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part also comes within them. And if they are monitoring
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that Danganawari center is opening at the right time, the
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whole panganwadi workers is really giving the quality education or
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not and all the infrastructure related requirement has been met
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or not. So that punchat plays an important role. And
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there are a lot of community spaces within the punchat
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level and punchayat can mobilize that community spaces for the
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young child things, so that can be another important component
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where Punchat can play important role.
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And now talking about the other side of the coin.
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Of course, panchayats help the entire cause of early childhood development,
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but the face some issues or some challenges in the
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process as well. So can you tell us about that
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and how do they bring those issues to the forefront.
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Punchat face a lot of problem while allocating budget for
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the ECD provisioning. One problem and challenges they face is
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the whole budget cash flow. Because once the budget is
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allocated at the punchat level, it goes at the block
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level and then at the state level and there is
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a whole central allocated fund which is seventeen lags for
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each punchat and three lack eighty five thousand is.
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For at the state level.
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This fund flow is sometimes get delayed and whatever plan
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has been done, it gets delayed. So it is very
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important that there is continuous cash flow of the plan
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so that they can invest that budget at correct time. Secondly,
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that whole building of those plans. Now government has come
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up with a very standardized format of what are the.
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Components where they and in build the CD provisioning thing.
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Sometimes there is no scope for innovation or unrestricted budget
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So that is another problem. If they want to.
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Do something out of the box, there is very less
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scope because they have to build their plan within that format.
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So I think these are the two important thing Punchat
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is facing. Panchayat actually continues consult with the videos and
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other Punchat members and they try to influence that within
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the line item if they can pitch in that innovation
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part and they can do that.
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Now we'll be talking tomsh Kumar, a community engagement expert.
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Advocation and ma'am towards the end, can you share how
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our listeners can help and support mobile crushes.
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I think there are two ways to support mobile creasures.
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One is that because our main agenda is the young
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child and how they can engage to bring change in
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the life of the young childs that they can do.
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They can start from home, they can associate with Mobile
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Crashes centers, they can give their knowledge sharing to the
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caregivers and they can engage themselves in the centers. And
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third is by giving some financial or knowledge support that
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will really help to mobile crushes to go into extra miles.
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You were listening to Turishrighosh and Maukishkumar in the fourth
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