# Jane Clayson Johnson

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We lived through 'Woke 1'. Should you be afraid of 'Woke 2'?

AOC says "Woke 1 was crazy" — but is laughing off an era of defunding the police, prison abolition and ideological conformity actually enough? On this episode of "Deseret Voices," McKay Coppins sits down with The Atlantic's Idrees Kahloon to ask why Democrats can't simply wash their hands of Woke 1…

The DOJ Came After Her. She Refused to Blink.

When Utah Lt. Gov. Deidre Henderson opened a letter from the Department of Justice, she discovered something alarming: Her office was under federal investigation for refusing to surrender unredacted voter rolls. In this exclusive sit-down on the “Deseret Voices” podcast with McKay Coppins, Henderso…

9/11: The Morning We Broke the News | Two Anchors, 25 Years Later

On Sept. 11, 2001, Carol Lin was the first national news anchor to break the story of the attacks on CNN — while Jane Clayson Johnson was hosting the CBS morning show when the towers were struck. Twenty-five years later, these two women sit down for the first time to share what they saw, what they …

One Standard: Sen. John Curtis on Presidential Families and Foreign Money

Sen. John Curtis, R-Utah, called for the Senate Judiciary Committee to subpoena Donald Trump Jr. and Hunter Biden over their foreign business dealings and presidential family connections. On this bonus episode of "Deseret Voices,"he explains why he called a Russian oligarch's lavish wedding gift "c…

AI Is Moving Too Fast and the Law Can’t Stop It

Is artificial intelligence advancing so fast that our legal guardrails and democratic institutions are rendered obsolete? In this episode of  "Deseret Voices," host Jane Clayson Johnson sits down with Harvard Law School professor and former dean Martha Minow to analyze the dangerous gap between rap…

Pluralism is America's Superpower | Judge Thomas B. Griffith

In a political climate driven by tribalism and culture wars, how can citizens move toward peacemaking and common ground? On this episode of "Deseret Voices," host McKay Coppins sits down with former federal judge Thomas B. Griffith for a thought-provoking conversation on civic duty, constitutional …

What Sports Betting Does to Your Soul

On this episode of "Deseret Voices," McKay Coppins, author of the viral Atlantic article "Sucker: My Year as a Degenerate Gambler,” sits down with Paul Lambert of BYU's Wheatley Institute to discuss President D. Todd Christofferson's landmark talk at general conference for The Church of Jesus Chris…

Is the Great Salt Lake Past the Point of No Return?

Three months ago, we told you the Great Salt Lake was disappearing — and what Utah stood to lose. Today, we ask the harder question: Is anyone actually saving it? In June, "Deseret Voices" Episode 37 laid out the stakes: toxic dust, billions in health costs, and an ecosystem on the brink. Since th…

Trump Can Sign an Order but Can He Make it Last?

A president can sign an executive order in seconds — but what makes it survive the courts, Congress and the next election? Roger Porter, who worked under three U.S. presidents, explains why the fastest way to announce a policy may not be the best way to make it last. In this “Deseret Voices,” conv…