Daredevil vs Killer Croc - WWWM Summer Tourney

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[SPEAKER_04]: A storm-drained gurgles beneath an abandoned overpass, the water stops, a low-grow rolls into the tunnel, concrete grotes, claws drag slowly across the floor, something massive rises from the darkness, each step, sending ripples through the shallow water.
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[SPEAKER_04]: A single boot lands on a railing above.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Brain begins to fall, a pitons ends between practice fingers.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The figure never looks down, but somehow he already knows exactly where the monster stands.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Every heartbeat, every drip, every breath becoming part of the battlefield, 100 trust, tooth and muscle, the other listens to the world itself, instinct meets perception, savagery meets precision!
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[SPEAKER_04]: This week, the sewer king of Gotham Killer Crook, verse, the devil of Hell's Kitchen, Daredevil!
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[SPEAKER_04]: Stay out of the sewer, kids, because tonight we're taking over the murky waters and the city shadows for an epic comic book matchup.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Welcome to another Hood Winmasters Summer Tournament Battle.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I am Sam proof on all the socials and in this episode.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Representing DC Comics, the monster-sized criminal who heard sealator alligator and replied, not if I see you first.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's killer crock, and representing Marvel Comics, the lawyer who never has to read the fine print because he can already feel something's wrong, the man without fear, it's dare devil.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Then I wouldn't want to navigate these waters alone, so joining me tonight, a man who won't have to cry crocodile tears tonight, because he can't lose this debate.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's the debate master general himself.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Race to Canis, Ray.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Are you ready to crack and roll?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nailed it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am very upset with you for that level of fun work, but good job.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am rave the mean judge.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am here to be harsh and give criticism because I know these two could take it or we'll probably punch me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I shouldn't be the mean judge.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I should be the nice judge.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, I'm committed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: mean roar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited for killer crock versus dare devil.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The fact that everybody seems very happy with the characters they got will not be necessary the case for the next tournament battle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's right when we get to that one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm very excited to have these two individuals back in here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Each of them came on the show for the first time and then somehow beat me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am not happy about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am excited.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Really at the end of the day,
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's unfortunately the way this has to go.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Do we do we want to introduce our
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[SPEAKER_04]: to bidders?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Is that how we're doing this?
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[SPEAKER_04]: No, we're going to go straight ahead.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go straight to tail of the tape, baby.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to read it because I'm here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Tonight's tale of the tape is brought to you by the American Federation of Lesbodies Spray Usage.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, the fine folks at the AFL BSU, one will remind you that going out in public is more than just a constitutional right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a social contract with everyone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You might interact with out there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So tone down the body spray use.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're all gagging here when we have to share an elevator with you or any kind of close quarters situation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ladies, you're not off the hook because this counts per few as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Look, breathing is important.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Please stop making it hard for everyone else.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Tonight, we have a battle of skill versus brawn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: On one side is killer crock, the Batman villain with enormous size, durability and power.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A former wrestler, you know what I put that in there, crock has a rare genetic condition that gives him his powers, but it also makes him difficult to be social with.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Killer Crock was created by Jerry Codway, Don Newton and Gene Colon, and debuted in Detective Comics.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Number five, 23 in 1983.
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[SPEAKER_04]: All right, now, representing Killer Crock is Eric Heiding, who won his first battle on the show with Raptor Blue.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Eric, how are you feeling about this battle?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Do you think that now you're representing yet another reptile Raptor Blue has given you some insight here?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I seem to have a theme going on here with lizards and our things are kind of like lizards are close to it, but yeah, no, I think know that this is going to be a fun battle and that body spray thing is totally true because I'm a high school teacher and I teach freshman in particular and X is not your friend.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I got to say in that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I will say the AFL BSU is taking on new members if you'd like to send them a donation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I need to be the president.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, well, getting to the other side of the battle, we have Daredevil.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Though man without fear, he may be blind, but his other senses are greatly enhanced.
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[SPEAKER_01]: After an accident involving both a car and a lot of toxic chemicals.
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[SPEAKER_01]: With exceptional agility mixed with great combat skill, Hell's Kitchen is a bit safer when the devil is on patrol.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Daredevil was created by Stan Lee and Bill Everett, and first appeared in Daredevil number
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[SPEAKER_04]: And here today with Daredevil is everyone's favorite new Rockstar, it's TV's Jena Epilito.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Jena, are you ready for this battle?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, real, the only times I've come on this show were to debate against Ray and I crush him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think both times we could go to the tape.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But now I feel I feel kind of bad because it's fun to beat up on Ray.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But Eric seems like a lovely human in it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to beat up on Eric.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I only want to beat up on Ray.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So can I tailor this debate just towards Ray instead?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I don't want your counterpoints to attack Ray.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We have a team battle against Ray.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Every one of these tournament battles eventually devolves into that anyway, so it's fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So here's the deal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We talked before the show came out, well, the show's not out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But before we started recording, I should say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And TV's Gina Ippelito will start us off today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They agreed behind the scenes that Gina would start off our arguments.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So without any further ado, I'm gonna put three minutes on the clock.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh no, hold on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Before we do, I did this last time too, because we got to hear the rules of who we win.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I almost like him kicks the thing for people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, look last time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was sad it this way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, go for it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's hear the rules.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Here's the rules for the people at Hall of the case you've never heard the show before.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Here are your rules for who would win masters in one minute.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Number one, there will be three times rounds with counterpoint to loud.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Number two, characters will have no prior knowledge of their opponent and no outside interference will be allowed.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Number three, keep the characters in character.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Outliers and crossovers will be given less weight.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Number four, battles can be won by death knockout battlefield removal or incapacitation.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And number five, after the battle, I will give my unofficial opinion as to who wins and why.
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[SPEAKER_04]: However, I am just one voice.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It will be up to all of you on our social media and our Patreon to make your voices heard as to who won.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Of course, there we go.
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[SPEAKER_04]: The caveat there is that we are in fact only two voices.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But of course it does does go over to the Patriot and for the official distance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm still waiting for the I'm still waiting for the song version Yeah, well we are we are gonna make a song version eventually I've got a base guitar and an accordion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This thing is gonna jam Anyway, gee that are if you're ready.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've got three minutes on the clock starting now
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[SPEAKER_02]: In the criminal justice system, the weirdos are categorized by two separate yet we equally important groups of freaks, the mindless goons who commit low-level crimes, and the enhanced vigilantes who capture the offenders, these are their stories.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Look, this is simple, one of these guys is a hero, and one is basically a low-level goon, and low-level goons never win against the hero.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I almost actually kind of feel bad for you because of what an unfair match up this is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And listen, I love Killer Croc.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you go to my Facebook page right now, my cover photo features Killer Croc.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Although technically since it's from the episode of Batman the animated series, almost got him, it's Batman disguised as Killer Croc, not really Killer Croc, spoiler for the end of that episode.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But how does Batman fool all the villains in that episode?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Into thinking he actually is Killer Croc?
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[SPEAKER_02]: How does he pull this con on a group of individuals known for their cunning?
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[SPEAKER_02]: By pretending he's really, really dumb in the entire time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And no one questions it because Killer Crock is indeed very, very dumb.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's stop power sets.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Even without the enhanced abilities, Daredevil is fast, strong, and has amazing reflexes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Once you blind that little boy, which everyone wants to see, a little kid getting blinded, he turns it to an enhanced superhero with a crazy sense of smell, taste, touch, and hearing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Also, that echolocation thing that they didn't illustrate very well in the
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[SPEAKER_02]: Plus he's got some sweet, very batman-esque weapons, like a cane that can turn into a grappling hook.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's spent a very large portion of his life learning to fight.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's an expert at in Injitsu, various martial arts boxing, judo, krav maga, a slew of others, and you know what that beats?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Being just a wrestler who looks like a crocodile.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So both of these guys have increased agility and stamina,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Depending on the day, whether there are heroes or villains, stick, Electra, Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, Iron Fist, the Punisher, and who does Killer Crocodile?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Baby doll.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Baby doll is an actress who looks younger than she is, and you know what the nightmare of every actress who looks young is, a man who can tell when she's lying.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But the main reason why Daredevil would wipe the floor with killer crock.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Daredevil is extreme.
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[SPEAKER_02]: 30 seconds remaining.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Whereas killer crock is a big dumb doofus.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Killer crock frequently loses to Batman, a normal guy who's smart and tortured.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, who else is smart and tortured.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Daredevil.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But he's not just normal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's an answer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He gets the leg up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And also speaking of that torture,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Catholic guilt is a hell of a, hell of a motivator guys, and who has more Catholic guilt than a guy facing down a poor individual born with a special birth thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that Catholic guilt is going to really want to make them.
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[SPEAKER_04]: All right, Eric, you have 60 seconds for your first counterpoint and usage of special guilt things starting now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm so glad you brought some of these things because I'm gonna be burning them up later on my points, but I'll
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[SPEAKER_00]: Talk real quickly about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One thing you call them a mindless goon and their double has beat mindless goon normal people mindless goons This is not a normal person He is a ginormous being which I'll talk about my first point and how Strong he is and everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not the regular guy that we seen in the TV show where he goes into a warehouse and beats up six people and he's still is Gastream for breath by the end of the show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a ginormous Being creature thing
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[SPEAKER_00]: You also talked about he has the enhanced smell taste hearing that's great That's actually going to be as one of those things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be a helpful for their double because that's where as power comes from but it's also going to hinder them Because killer crock can overpower them over stimulate those things and we'll talk about that in my point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe number two or three His cane again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to talk about how big he is that came.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to do anything to him It's going to be
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[SPEAKER_04]: All right, you, you can finish that sentence if you want in your point number one, you have three minutes on the clock starting now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, point number one, let's talk about killer crock, killer crock actually stands seven feet tall five inch or seven feet five inches tall and he weighs six hundred and eighty six pounds.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This physical features are scales over his body for protection.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He has talents on his fingers and toes and he has extremely sharp large teeth, which you can use.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This hasn't been given an exact power on anything I could find, but it has been described by different characters as having the crushing power of an actual crocodile.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When we look up an actual crocodile, they have a bite force of 3,700 psi per inch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have seen his bite force in the comics, which is a version I'm using by the way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Where he has been in two, not just on, but into Aquaman and General Zad's arm, both
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, he has incredible strengths.
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[SPEAKER_00]: According to Batman, again, the world's greatest detective, Kraken lived a school bus over his head.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this isn't, again, a normal person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Durability, bullets on overall bounce off of him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, he has survived being thrown off a skyscraper.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not that that's going to happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to throw off, but just saying that he can fall from a skyscraper instead of live.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, he can also handle again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that saying this is going to take place in the ocean, but he can take up the pressure from the ocean of 106 PSI from there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, sense of smell.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He has enhanced sense of smell.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, kind of like dare double.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not as equal as Wolverine or nothing like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's better than a regular human being.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He has some regeneration power.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is again, very limited.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you lost an arm or took it will take weeks to grow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying that that's going to happen like dead tool or anything like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But smaller injuries, um, like cuts and everything like that are going to recover.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can recover from really quickly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've actually already heard a little bit about his fine style.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's more of a wrestler, but he's combined with that savagery and strength.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, remember, he's 686 pounds.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This isn't just your normal high school wrestling match or anything like that, and he's over 7 feet tall.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This finance style may not be effective if a normal person goes against their double, which we've seen in many times and their doubles overtaken it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's no problem, but this is a ginormous being and it's going to be much much harder.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In hand to hand, we're going to talk about some things that he's or people he's beaten in the comics and stuff, but hand to hand he has beaten Aquaman and he's also beaten then Venomize and Hans Bane.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Underwater again, that thing this is going to be second remaining.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but underwater killer crock and swim extremely well he can get enough speed to burst all the water and he is good at underwater that he is beaten king shark underwater.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he is not it's not again we're not looking at the killer crock from anime series or from suicide squad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We are looking at if you want to visual of the killer crock that was in the Arkham video games when he saw him coming off to elevator this ginormous creature thing not just a regular size gray human like we see
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[SPEAKER_04]: All right, Gina, you have 60 seconds on the clock for your counterpoint, starting now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so let's talk about who's beaten who, since you brought that up, Daredevil frequently beats Wilson Fisk, who is known for being a very strong, big ass, almost invulnerable dude, who's also survived gunshots and stabbing some things like that, and is also very smart.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, what are we talking about?
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[SPEAKER_02]: If he beats Wilson Fisk, he can obviously be killer crock.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Killer crock is known to have the upper hand in the sewers because it's dark and he's sneaky.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it doesn't matter, but against a blind guy, darkness.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Also, he always smells like a sewer, so Daredevil would smell and coming a mile away.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And one little splash of water and a bubble, and he'd hear him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Daredevil is known for getting the upper hand because he plans things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's smart, he's thoughtful.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He gets to places early just like an Italian and a diner.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he, because he knows that he like he wants, he needs the upper hand and he needs to do recon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Killer crock is not doing any recon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's pure like minus theory.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that is an absolutely wild back and forth for point number one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I a couple of thoughts just off the top of my head before we go to commercial, but I didn't think I was going to hear the word ginormous so many times in one sitting and yet here we are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I lost my counter track.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's either five or six right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So actually work there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: At least, are you saying six or seven, getting on it right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Definitely not saying that in my team track.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't hear him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what, one important responsibility for all parents out there this summer is apparently the sixth seventh thing is very pass A amongst a lot of kids.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't like it anymore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So shout it as much as you can with your kid in public because they will be very upset by it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Anyway, I'm so demon hunters at them.
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[SPEAKER_04]: My daughter.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: None of those things are cool anymore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's which is crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because Kpop Demon Hunters is awesome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And also, gee, I do have a question for you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What if somebody like from Greenpeace does the Dawn soap challenge to Killer Crook?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Will Daredevil still be able to smell him?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I just picture him like suffocating like one of those like little baby ducks as they have to as they have to wipe him off for four killer crock.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Also when you have those six pack of soda cans, you got to cut the plastic or killer crock might get you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is been a great battle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Say how many points do you want to bring up?
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[SPEAKER_04]: You know, it was so good and I like going
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[SPEAKER_04]: thing because killer crock definitely hasn't advantage in the water, which, you know, Eric brought up.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And Gina may have been like, it doesn't even matter.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm fascinated by that because I was like, wow, I feel bad because, you know, we always choose a neutral location, but maybe maybe it's unnecessary at this time.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We'll have to see how that plant, you know, pays out, plays out.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What, any of those words works?
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[SPEAKER_04]: But yeah.
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[SPEAKER_04]: This feels like all three points have already been made, so I'm so curious to see where this is going to go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where are we going to possibly escalate from there?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, but this is an ad break.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Love them ads.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What a great ad that was, in fact.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We're going to keep pushing into point number two.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And of course, Gina is going to start us off with three minutes on the clock starting now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so let's talk the actual fight.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So Daredevil is known for always being two steps ahead of any goes up against some very, very smart villains.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It consistently, people who are smart, he himself is very smart.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's a lawyer, my friends who take the bar, tell me that's it's difficult.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't know, I'm a TV writer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But in Batman, the animated series, Killer Crocks idea of what to do to Batman is to and I quote, hit him with a rock.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This was in a different episode than almost got him where he also said he threw a big rocket at Batman, but that was actually Batman in disguise, but this was in a different rock in a different episode where he said he'd him with a rock, so that's killer crocks best ideal of how to deal with Batman.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So what is he going again, what is he going to do against someone who is a planner, someone who does recon, someone who stakes things out, how the hell are you going to feed a dude when your idea is to hit that bad guy that I want to kill with a rock.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Killer crock frequently captured and put into prison.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, he usually escape because the guards don't watch the sewers, but just the fact that he was caught as often as he was proves that he is not
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[SPEAKER_02]: smart or that he did not have a very good lawyer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe maybe something good didn't come out of this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And like I said earlier, killer crock is at best an interesting goon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's never the man at the top.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Daredevil eats low level goons for breakfast, whether or not they have powers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's he's defeated bulls.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I used defeated Wilson Fisk who are both more skilled and much smarter than killer crock.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Also at one point in the new Batman Adventures killer crock is defeated by hot water hot water defeats In the in the Batman animator series season one episode 21 vendetta very bright light blinds him in this episode You can't be blinded if you're already blind so listen get that get that fight to some bright lights get it to Shea stadium and turn some lights on and you know who's got the upper hand the guy who can't see the bright lights
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[SPEAKER_02]: Also killer crock loves hanging out of the docks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If this we have this fight takes place at the docks, dare devil loves kicking criminals asses at the docks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's like what he wants more than anything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, oh crap, stuff's going down at the docks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna get there five hours early.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna lay some traps.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna do my thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Whereas killer crock is just like, yay, docks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Throw a rock at the docks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Throw a rock at him at the docks.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And again, 30 seconds remaining.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If it comes down to hunting one of them down, Daredevil, as we, as we mentioned earlier with Cologne, Daredevil could follow a man by the scent of his Cologne, and Odesuer is bound to be very easy to track.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Daredevil could very easily beat him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hell, I think Foggy could beat him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Daredevil took on the hand, he took on Fisk, he took on Bullseye.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Killer Crock isn't even fit to work for any of those guys.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's only pairing up, like I said.
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[SPEAKER_02]: with an actress who lies about her age because she looks younger than she is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: 30 seconds remaining.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Nope.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Those are my points.
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[SPEAKER_04]: All right, Eric, you have 60 seconds for your counterpoint starting now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm so glad you brought some stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're right, he is a lawyer and he likes to plan ahead.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he needs two steps ahead.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But how is he gonna plan ahead for somebody who he just met and they are just me for the first time?
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you had plenty of time, and this was a second encounter absolutely, this is a first time encounter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're just literally being picked up, putting some place and saying, fight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So all that stuff doesn't work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You just talked about how, if you met them at the docs, they're gonna put traps and stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, you can't land traps.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If this is a first encounter and you don't know what's coming, and I hope this takes place at the docs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna talk about that later.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You also talked about killer crock getting caught a lot of times in your show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to spoil the end of season two of their devil, but he doesn't look like he's too free to end of that show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're also going to talk about you talked about his smell and everything like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As again, be part of my point number two about how that's going to actually hope killer crock.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not be a bad thing for him.
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[SPEAKER_04]: All right, we'll move right into Eric's point number two, three minutes on the clock, starting now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's talk about these two.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So their double, he's a regular size human.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I looked him up, he's six feet tall, about 200 pounds.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's much, much smaller than killer crack.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Their double has his baton.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is not going to hurt him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It would be like thrown a pencil at UME, which by the way, being a teacher I've had it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if their double tries to wrap around cracks ankle with his thing, it's not going to do anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He just kicks in, their doubles are going to go flying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You won't have the also the force to be able to trip him,
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[SPEAKER_00]: attached to a wall which we see in the show and pulled the wall down because he's not going to have a point anything big enough that's going to actually hurt him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He talked about the senses and everything which is true what he has but one way to beat their devil is to overload those senses.
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[SPEAKER_00]: which killer Kraken easily do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My first one is already been brought up both three times.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kraken smells bad, you're right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He is in the sewer, he is in the swamp.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't smell good and that's gonna bother their double.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's gonna get a whiff of him and be like, whoa, what's going on?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And kind of stop for a second.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Number two, one way he can overpower him or over the senses.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kraken roar very loud, which I think if you just dropped him down and he saw somebody, he's just the type of being that's just gonna roar.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This Orient Daredevil with all the senses and everything like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Crocodiles also in general can make the noises where they can make the it's called water dancing where they send out this low growl and it's like soundways, which is going to mess up Daredevil.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, Daredevil is like a sonar.
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[SPEAKER_00]: neutral location.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this means a battle won't take place in the water because that would be a big van for crock.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But a total fight on land will also be a huge advantage for their double.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we kind of talked about this at the docks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can see this fight taking place where there is land next to some water.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If crock can stay under the water for a couple minutes,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Daredevil won't will lose him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Daredevil's sonar and all that stuff balances off the top of water, which means a crack state's under the water, he won't build a sense where he's at.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This will also allow Crock, which I talked about before, he can explode all the water and surprise him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Also, we talked about his bite force.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Crock gets one bite on Daredevil.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's over right there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Daredevil and he kind of talked about this is great when he has multiple encounters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He can plan figure things out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Come up with the backup plans.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But when it comes to first encounters, their devil loses a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We saw on the show the Mews, he got away who was a regular person, really, he had no superpowers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You talked about 30 seconds remaining.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You talked about how their devil's beat Kingpink, but Kingpink is also beating him multiple times.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Kingpink is also like you just said, a bigger stronger person than an average person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: on a first encounter with no prior knowledge, their double will not know what to do with this huge giant person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, if this was a TV show or a movie at the end of the movie or the end of the season, their double probably would win because it'd be his show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: However, this is the beginning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we've seen this a hundred times in Batman and everything like that, they're going to fight killer crox going to try to kill their double, which isn't going to probably happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But their double is going to be limping away and barely gain out of his life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They're interesting, Gina, 60 seconds for your counterpoint.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Starting now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Daredevil isn't just good at planning ahead and thinking two steps ahead.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's also great at thinking on his feet, which is something specifically that stick trained him in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's one of the main things stick consistently trained him in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Daredevil revealed himself in Daredevil season two, which was why he ended up in the situation that he did because he's sort of playing a long game there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And yes, Daredevil is much smaller than Killer Crack, who, by the way, is weight has changed a lot throughout the comics, the TV shows, the movies, and I made this point the last time I debated Ray, but you can't just pick and choose like which ones you like, so it's hard to nail down exactly how big he is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And Fisk is also huge, tough, and is described as being made of almost pure muscle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So even though Daredevil is smaller, he has gotten one over on Fisk in hand-to-hand combat in surprise situations more often than not, and Fisk is a lot smarter than Killer Crack Killer Crack is consistently shown as not being good at thinking on his feet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know how he would know to overwhelm his senses.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These are two phenomenal competitors who are absolutely having some good days for both of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do have some notes though.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to give both of you notes and tips as the true who would win master.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These videos are awesome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All the best.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't worry about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like Gina absolutely one round one, but then Eric came back strong in one round two, which kind of makes us anybody's ball game right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A couple of things for each though is that Gina, I think you're you know, you're conflating the animated series version with Killer Crack and then talking about prep time and friends and everything, which of course don't really get involved in the rules of who would win battle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So one of the things that I haven't really heard from you that I'd love to hear in point number three is a path to victory set a scene for me tell a story about how their devil has has specifically defeated characters like killer crock and I think that would help a lot to for a little bit of come back there and with Eric I think you know you've made great points about the strength
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, he made great points about disrupting their levels in hand senses.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that was some good points as well, but Gina made an absolutely phenomenal counterpoint of like, how would he even know to do that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know that he would.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He'd might have to do it naturally.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would love to, you know, hear some examples from you on the same same path.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to hear about how he specifically going to get this done.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How has he defeated agile people because I know he's had a history with Batman.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and you mentioned it in Gina mentioned it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We all mentioned it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a Batman villain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, he's got a history with Batman.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I would just like to hear a little bit more about that as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's sort of where I'm sitting right here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sam, do you have anything else you want to add before we we place a more wonderful ads?
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, I think that is exactly the kind of thing I would have said.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think Eric's point about the dock being a reasonable neutral location feels right to me, so I'm fine to play into that where there is access to water, but he's not trapping Daredevil in like a sewer where I think he would have a much higher advantage, so that sounds fine.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And yeah, let's let's see how you paint that picture in point number three.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I have so much I want to say right now, but I, I don't want to tip the battle one way or the other with the whole time, both of you are going.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm thinking about how I would take your side.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's, this has been a lot of fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, let's play some wonderful ad some wonderful sponsors.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we're going to come back and we're going to hit point number three.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And we are back for our third and final round our third points, Gina, three minutes on the clock.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Starting now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so let's talk about the actual fight.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So certain things that we know about Daredevil that I have not mentioned before is that dude can take a punch.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He specifically says he got this skill from his dad.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So when he's fighting in a moment, opponent whose main thing is brute strength,
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[SPEAKER_02]: and he can take a punch, that is going to have a lot less of an impact.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Also, when you're that agile, fighting an opponent who's as slow as killer crock, not just slow to throw a punch and to know where someone is going to land, but slow thinking on his feet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You might not even get hit, but if he does, it's not going to knock him out, which is what Killer Croc usually relies on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we know he can take a punch.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We know he has incredible stamina.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Think of the number of opponents he's faced at once, and the amount of stamina he had to keep going.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He could take a punch, he's got incredible stamina, and also at one point
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[SPEAKER_02]: on the show since since we've brought up the show, we both brought up the show multiple times.
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[SPEAKER_02]: At one point in the show, he fights both Fisk and Bulls Eye at the same time, and each of those dudes has their own agenda.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Each of these fighting one guy who's got brute strength and is super huge and another dude who has accuracy and can kill you with anything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And at the same time, the
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[SPEAKER_02]: Daredevil is fighting both of them, while also protecting Fisk from Bulls Eye.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is a man who can fight two of the best villains at the same time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: One whose main thing is strength, is brute strength and size, and then throw Bulls Eye onto that pile.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you have a dude that can obviously dispatch one easy to kill very dumb guy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So going back to this thinking on his feet thing,
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[SPEAKER_02]: killer crock is is very bad at thinking on his feet and if this is the first time they're fighting each other he's going to be even worse whereas again dare devil has trained time and time again to adjust his fighting skill based on who he is fighting that is why stick taught him as many fighting styles as he did he didn't just teach him how to box he didn't just teach him kung fu
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[SPEAKER_02]: he taught him every single one so that he could adjust to his opponent.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So even if he's never fought someone before, he learns immediately when he fights the hand, those are individuals and he asks you a dirty second for money.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he obviously, it like he doesn't need to get somewhere early and think ahead.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He will learn much faster than killer crock will.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What killer crock's fighting style is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And killer crock is one thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's very, very predictable.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to lift up something heavy and he's going to throw it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to throw a punch.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And Daredevil being the kid of a box or he knows how to use an opponent's weight and size against them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he's got multiple people.
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[SPEAKER_04]: All right, Eric, uh, you have 60 seconds on the clock for your counterpoint starting now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you said that their dog will take a punch, which I 100% seen him take.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's taken from multiple guys at that time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you take a punch from a 686 pound guy, you only need one punch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't need multiple.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You just need to do one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know he's very agile.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's very quick killer crocks probably going to throw some punches kicks, bites, whatever and miss, but again, he really only probably needs one or two, and that's it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of playing the video game in that bad guy and the end guy and you know what he's going to do, you're going to keep on moving him, but every once in a while you're finger slips, you get tired and you get that hit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and croxing the fight and again it's going to be doesn't really need to think he's just going to be muscle memory muscle fighting not even realize he's thrown stuff and at long as he hits or hits anything on him he's going to get he's going to get their double.
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[SPEAKER_04]: All right and Eric it is now time you get your full three minutes for your final your third and final
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, point number three, let's talk about the feeds of their double and killer crosswinds.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the people of the feed of their double, bullseye is the feeding him multiple times.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Echo, who has the feed of their double and is in the comic does have some photographic reflexes and stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't see that on the show, but in the comics, she definitely does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some people with no powers at all that the feed of their double.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Punisher, Electra, they both
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[SPEAKER_00]: People who have defeated Daredevil who have enhanced strengths, not exactly like Killer Crock, but we can put them as a enhanced strength, Spider-Man, Hulk, which would beat a lot of people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Luke Cage, and also with and with all prep, just a great fight as King Paine who has defeated Daredevil at times.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Daredevil is being King Paine, but King Paine has defeated him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He is being king shark on land and in the water.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He has wins over Aquaman, Katana, Orca, and Magpie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He does have wins, not all many, but he does have wins over Batman at some points.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He has beaten cyborg.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He has win over Damian Wayne as Robin, who again is a trained assassin and he was able to beat him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he is also easily defeated John Paul Valley or Asriel, kind of like the substitute Batman for a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, again, a complete lamb-based fight will totally be in Daredevil's favor and a water fight will be totally in killer crox.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this needs to be someplace in the middle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, if this was a movie or a season on TV show or multiple issues of a comic in the end, Daredevil will probably end up getting the win, but this is the beginning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and again, Daredevil in those cases would plan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was set trash.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He will figure out Um, that and he is very much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He very smarter than killer crock, but Again, this is a first time encounter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is where killer crock and win killer crock will try to kill him and he might not be able to do that But Daredevil isn't going to leave without some major injuries, which we see now in a show in how many times that where he's barely wimping away
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[SPEAKER_00]: He will need time to heal and recover, we have seen their double defeat normal people, but it's usually breathing pretty hard and has many injuries by the end of those fights.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We saw this over and over again and born again, where he is fighting normal people and at the end it looks like he just got done running a marathon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, again, probably don't want to bring this up, but in the Ben Affleck movie, we see him without a suit on for a little bit, and he has many scars and scratches all 30 seconds remaining of how many hits he has taken from just anybody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, if you take a hit from Killer Crox going to leave a lot bigger mark in that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, we have seen them in their double-born against series with many different injuries as also.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have also seen that he has a very hard time against opponents that are bigger and stronger than him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the first time encounter against someone who is so much bigger and so much stronger killer crock than when over him, uh, and we, like you said, we've seen this with, uh, being able to overdo a sense of, you know,
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[SPEAKER_04]: All right, Gina, it is time for your third and final counterpoint.
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[SPEAKER_04]: 60 seconds to address all of that, starting now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, first of all, using the term blind rage against a blind guy, really not cool, dude.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And also, Killer Crack is fighting with animal rage, you say, you've obviously never seen Daredevil when he's angry.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That dude has the best of both worlds.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When he's angry, he's really, really angry.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But before you get to angry, he's really thinking, Killer Crack only has the animal rage.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Also, if we're talking about who got beat by who Killer Crack got beat by Barbara
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[SPEAKER_02]: much smaller than Daredevil, similar skill set, but much smaller, also lost to Dick Grayson.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, similar skill sets of stamina and all the athleticism and things like that, but smaller than Daredevil and not enhanced.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Neither of these people are enhanced.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You said he, he, he, being, but also being at one point broke both of his arms.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So these are a week ago back and forth with who be to everyone has lost to everyone at some
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going back to your earlier.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I couldn't get all in there.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I want to hear it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe in the wrap up.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, you remember.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Write it down right now.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Post a note it.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Ray gave you some some pointers and you guys both delivered this this point number three was fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm looking forward to the next new rockstar's video where Gina outlines what she would have said at the end of that counterpoint.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 43 minutes long.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be an a storm in a breakdown of just one thought.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We will be right back with our decisions.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, folks, I have gone over my case file notes so you can call me the Investigator.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So let's get crockin' here.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Look, this is a super tough match because as it has been said, if our neutral location led to water primarily, then killer crock would have a major advantage, but if we dried things up, Daredevil would have the advantage.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So Eric's snack decision to play this on the dock seems like a great call.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And Gina agreed, so you should be scared.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So let's dive in.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I wanna say,
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[SPEAKER_04]: that straight out this was a jaw droppingly impressive battle by both of our debaters and you did fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But the burden of proof lies on our debaters points no matter what my name is.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So let's drop it like it's crock Eric.
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[SPEAKER_04]: said that this is the beginning uh and you know at the end of show sure he admits Daredevil would win.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Gina said objection.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Daredevil defeated Fisk and he is a, you know, big smart version of killer cry.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Erick said
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't want to bring up the Ben Affleck movie, and I think we all agreed so sustained.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Eric had a laundry list of Daredevil defeats and killer crock wins, but Gina's argument that killer crock was defeated by Barbara Gordon and Dick Grayson, I say, overruled.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So before I bite off more than I can true, damn.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Before I bite off more than I can chew and drop the verdict, I think killer crock gets crocked.
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[SPEAKER_04]: So, see you later, alla.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Anyway, look, you're out or I'd like to approach the bench and hand this off to Ray for his thoughts before the statue of limitations passes on this one, but for me, this one goes to Gina with Daredevil.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: See, and this is where, and this is where it gets really wild because Gina's last counterpoint.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think with some of the strongest work of the entire battle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do feel that, you know, setting it near the docks is definitely it at a weird way that's an advantage for killer crock.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The president is any kind of large body of water.
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[SPEAKER_01]: does set it up for killer crock as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Gene, I thought did a fantastic point bringing up Wilson Fisk.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how coming into this battle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't even consider that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The fact that he is another big oversized, but more intelligent version right there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's one thing,
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[SPEAKER_01]: that I did say and I was looking for a very direct path to victory for both of these combatants and one of the things that I kept coming back to throughout the battle and I and it almost shook me at the end.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is obviously a very back and forth close battle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm back on back and forth at least three times since you all been talking and I can't get over the fact that it was agreed to that Daredevil
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't get hit that Daredevil ends his fights bloody right even in his wins even in his losses This is a guy who gets his butt kicked a heck of a lot along the way to get his victory and that was the part that I kept For me that was a little bit of a sticking point because Eric laid out very well that killer crock Only maybe needs to hit you one time probably more with Daredevil, but that one hit
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[SPEAKER_01]: could be an enormous stagger that could lead to some sort of great grappling and using his powerful strength and even the bite attack.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought was an interesting thing to bring up as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I didn't necessarily hear enough about the durability of Daredevil.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so this is like a very, very, very close.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to slightly give it to killer crock in this example only because the hits probably will happen can't dare double keep up with those kind of hits in an animalistic and reptilian way.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think he gets, I don't think he lands a single punch.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's what I'm gonna say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Come on, wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that is two definitely different takes on the battle that we just had.
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[SPEAKER_01]: First off, thank you both for joining us here today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wish we could get a definitive decision with you here in the moment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I do want to reach out to both of you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Eric, I'll start with you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Any great words, any respect to your opponent?
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[SPEAKER_01]: How do we feel about today's battle?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I knew this was gonna be a hard one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Gina was her background every time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, this is, this is great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Especially with Daredevil, I'm like, oh, I get the person who's worked with Daredevil.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she's repring Daredevil.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, and I know I'm repringed up a bag guy and going up against a good guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And but Gina had a lot of great points and everything like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just hope that the fans do realize or people realize, hey, this is again, a first encounter with no prior knowledge.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's my big thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's fair.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good point to make in Gina.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What are your post battle thoughts?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Eric did a great job.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This was, this was very fun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't as much fun as beating Ray up obviously.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Eric, I do notice you're wearing a Ninja Turtles T-shirt, which I am taking as an implicit admission that Daredevil is better because if you know, you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's fair enough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Reptiles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Reptiles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, of course, Sam and I are but two voices and you have so many more than that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A four year favorite in this battle will try to get both of them back for the wrap-up episode
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[SPEAKER_01]: say I'm why don't you go ahead and bring us home.
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[SPEAKER_04]: All right well I mean you've you've done most of the heavy lifting there but yes we will be back.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm very proud.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm very proud.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And breaking down the poll tally and reading your comments and reviews and anything that we pull from the social media and the discord.
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