WWE SMACKDOWN POST-SHOW (5/15) - Keller & Machado talk Gunther vs. Keys, Cody's popularity, Trick-Miz, more, plus on-site correspondent

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It's time to talk this week's WWE Friday Night SmackDown.
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Am Here. Something I've been wanting to happen, pining for,
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one might say, is for Cody Rhods to get a
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chance to be Cody Roads against a heel in a
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straight forward traditional set up with a world champ with
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heel coming at him. And we got it tonight. And
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you know, they got three hours of TV time to fill,
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weeks of TV to fill, and so you know there's
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a little little detours along the way that add, you know,
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whatever they add to the story. And tonight they I
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thought it was well told. Goonther was was fretting and
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and uh creating a high bar and and whatever over
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being fussy about what Cody had to say in order
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for him to agree to sign the contract. Ultimately, then
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Nick Aldus comes out the GM and says, actually, first
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of all, Rice Keys came out and said, if you
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don't want to goo through, I'll take it. Then Aldus said,
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you haven't earned it yet, but you know what going
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through you took too long. You made it more complicated
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than it had to be. So now you have to
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earn your title shot. You could have had it. Now
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you have to earn it. You gotta be key. So
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of course Gunther wanted what he couldn't have now and
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they had a main event match. I thought it was
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a good match. Gun Thro won to advance thanks to
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Solo Sokoa, who has been for weeks uh courting Rice Keys.
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We found out tonight Rice Keys wants to know part
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of him threw a chair at Solo after Solo handed
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it to him. But that is kind of what led
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to the sequence of his demise. So they told two
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stories at once. You got Keys innimate event match against Gunther,
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so you feel some some important TV time on a
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cable network. You tell a story that sets up your
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world champion. You have Gunther, show what he can do.
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You have Keys especially show what he can do against Gunther,
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and now you've got a few set up also with
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Royce Keys against Solo. I thought they checked a lot
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of boxes and did a nice job. What are your thoughts?
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I didn't like it. I think it was missing a
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Pat McAfee. I think it was missing on Travis Scott.
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You had me there, you know, So, I mean it's
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just yeah, it's it's fine, It's fine. It's kind of
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what like I've been waiting for Cody something that he's
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involved with. I kind of wish that he were still
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talking more. You know, I think we had two little Cody,
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but you know, we've got a little bit more time
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to get to But yeah, I mean it's it's what
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you wanted. H Cody is doing a master of job
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because when he comes out the crowd, there's there's a
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sex there's a second of the crowd that doesn't seem
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like know what to do with him.
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Uh.
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You got some people booing him, you got some people
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cheering him, but then there's like a middle that's kind
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of like what way are we feeling? They're like looking
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around and saying, you know, uh, you know what side
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do I want to join? And then but by the
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end of his promo, like people are cheering him. So
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I mean they've they've done you know, I mean, you know,
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kudos for him to win over the crowd, and he's
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unfortunately have had to do that every single time he
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comes out.
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You know, there's some work to be done, is what
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you're saying. You know, I mean, it's been it's been messy.
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My argument for for weeks, months, maybe years now, has
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been give Cody a runway to just be babyface. Cody
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a traditional old school babyface. He knows how to play
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that role, like it's not foreign to him. And this, Oh,
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but there were some boozs, so now we shouldn't push
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on in a baby face. Well there were booze because
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you've been pushing him tear as a babyface. You've been
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putting him in us other baby faces. There's been interference.
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He hasn't seemed like an alpha or a QB one
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as they say he comes across. You can't have a
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top centerpiece babyface look like he is having the one
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that he's even pondering Rocks offer, uh, going back years
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now or that he isn't the top guy with agency,
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so they got some work to do. But this is
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the beginning of rebuilding it. The fact that he doesn't
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have the cheers he had while he was on his
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journey a few years ago does not mean there isn't
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more to be gotten out of Cody as a baby face.
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He's going to be a great I hope we got
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a chapter of him as a heel, and I think
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he'll be magnificent. But I don't think it's time yet.
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Let's let's see how this plays out. I think, as
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you said, Javier, he he I think Cody's proving my
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point all the time that there's there's some Oh are
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we supposed to like him or not? It's almost like
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what are we supposed to do? Because nobody's booking is
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so murky sometimes and we don't want to We don't
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want to be cheering a guy we're not supposed to cheer,
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or I don't know whatever, I mean. Whatever goes through
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fans of minds now when they're trying to figure things out,
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just let them let them get pulled into Cody. He's
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he's believable as a champion with pride in a championship,
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and it's believable. Gooother's. By the way, I loved Goonther
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grabbing the camera on the ring apron at the end
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and kind of shaking the shoulders of the camera guy
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or the camera and yelling into it as a visual
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it was novel. But then to have Cody, you know,
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have Cody come out behind him and uh and take
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him out from behind, I thought that was like clever.
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So I think they're that's the thing. I think Cody
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and Gunther, for instance, along with you know, Tody's credit
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team are going to put there. I think if they
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just put their minds to it, they can just tell
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a story without all the outside noise and and and
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I think that's what fans want. Like this is kind
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of the post WrestleMania exhal that I've been looking for.
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Just tell us, let let pro wrestling be enough. Let
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there be a championship, someone who fans like, somebody fans
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don't like, lean into what those reasons are that they
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like and don't like them, and let's let's get rolling.
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We got that tonight.
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Yeah, I mean, I'm gonna uh uh the punch a
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little bit because the one my one complaint and This
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is like a bigger structural d w W issue is
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the fact that when uh Royce Keys came out, I
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was like, oh wow, this is really interesting and he's
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gonna sign the thing. I'm like, and at that moment,
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I'm excited because like, you know, is he is is
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is the games that he was that Guthur was playing
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and going to actually cost him worry at Keys, you know,
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and and that might that'll be an interesting and interesting match.
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Then the match was made, I'm like, wow, you know,
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one of these guys has to win, and they're both
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and I'm like, oh ww is gonna find a way
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to you know, like cheap and protect the ending and
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stuff like that. So it kind of sucked some of
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the you know, win wins on my sale. So this
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is a more structural thing for the w W in general,
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because I'm not really that I'm now I'm now not
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excited about the match because I know that not one
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guy is not going to defend it to beat the
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other one I'm waiting for, and so I'm waiting for
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uh for so I love because Solo has been the
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one involved with with with Keys that Solo is somehow
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when it cost Keys the matches. I'm pretty sure they're
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gonna go with gum Thar. So you already kind of
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know the ending because it's just like the constant thing,
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so that I mean setting that you know, so what
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could have been like on another level just was you know,
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so instead of being great, it was good for it.
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So let me intervene here because pro wrestling, and I
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think some fans need to realize this, and you too,
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Ja here, they're not booking for you. You are watching
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at the next level. You have seen enough, you know enough,
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you understand the strategies, you understand the booking rationale for
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what they do, so you can see things coming. I
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don't think if they do the right thing and you
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see it coming that that's a reason to say it
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it It was not what they wanted because they didn't
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surprise you.
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Now.
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What you're saying, though, is but I knew a cheap
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finish was coming. And my hang up is the cheap
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finish or my criticism is a cheap finish. It wasn't
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a cheap finish. Let's differentiate. I mean, I want to
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differentiate between levels of cheap finishes. Let's put it that way.
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This was not a cop out finish, they did not
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book a match and go ooh, we don't have a
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finish for this. They booked this match because they wanted
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to tell the story of Royce Keys turning down Solos
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over ature and throwing a chair at him to transfer
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Keys in a high profile match where you can look
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credible against the top guy for the better part of
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fifteen minutes and then have him go off and feud
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with a level two heel. So when you book a
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pay per view main event, ply main event, people pay
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to see it, and you do a cop out finish
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because you don't want you don't want two top guys
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who have been feuding to have an outcome that people
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paid to see and expected to see or had a
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right to expect. That's terrible. That should be criticized pretty
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much every time, but we should differentiate. That's not what
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this was. This wasn't an advertised match. It was an
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impromptu match, and it wassed. It wasn't devised to draw
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a rating. It was devised for the two stories they told.
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Goonther had to overcome his at his own fault one
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extra hurdle and Keys got to stand up to Solo.
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So I just I don't want a default position to
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be that every DQ finish is a match that should
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have had a clean finish. Because this match should not
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have had a clean finish, don't do the match. If
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you're gonna have Keys lose clean, you shouldn't define him
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down this soon. What do you say to that?
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H your normally the argument you're making is the argument
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I would make, because I also think that a lot
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of people are need I got a permistion too much,
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knee jerk reaction was too much. I'm more concerned. My
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issue is more that because the you know the I
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know how the structure is, and to be fair, like, yeah,
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I know it's not booked for the people who are
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like always watching, but they do it so much that
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if you watch it for more than a month, you've
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gotta already got you know, if you're not, if you're
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paying attention, you're engaged with it, you're you're going already
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know what you know how they do things. You know
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there because there are other ways outside of an outside
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party interfering in the match that you could actually you know,
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still protect the guy, because that's what we're talking about. Ultimately,
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we want to protect Keys, and there are various different
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ways he can do it. You can have a pre
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match attack before him where he throws you know, you
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have the solo blowout. First gets attacked by somebody and
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then he wrestles injured and then you know that's what
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caused him because he's not one hundred percent if you
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want to tell true another story, he's just come into
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the roster and if you're gonna put a long enough
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you know match that long uh. This is the you
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see this a lot in the in New Japan where
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because he's the he's the rookie. It's the actual experience.
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And you can tell that story that the experience that
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you know because because they gave him a lot early
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on he you know, they were making a big deal
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on how he was just strowing gouther that spot where
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he was doing the the the slamming him over and
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over onto the desk, and they gave him a hell
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of a lot. They they talked about how you know,
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normally the first few minutes you're you're struggling for arrogance,
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going through trying to figure out and he's so they
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gave him a lot of that stuff. You can tell
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the story that like he burned himself out, you know,
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because he you know, he off on a sprint and
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as the match got longer, you get into you know,
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deep waters. There are ways you could tell that story.
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That's not the way that I understand that you can't
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do that today because that's not the way that w
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W does The story you know, tells tells the version
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of the story. So you know, so that that's my
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but that's like where I'm saying, for my like personal taste,
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I think it would have been better if you know
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how much more of the match would have meant in
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that universe that we obviously don't live in, so, you know,
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which which is why it's like I'm you know, I'm just
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being contracts like being intured. Uh but you.
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Know, I mean it's good bring up.
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But yeah, So that that because because that because I
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was because there were two that I was super excited.
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I'm like, oh, this is a fresh this feels good.
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But then I'm like, oh, something might end up happening
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the way that I like the way they did the
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not Star was his name Saints Saints and Carmel Hayes
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because that one he's super protected, but you still got
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a semi clean finish, you know, even though it was
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you know, Carmela put his his feet feet on the road,
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so it wasn't like really a clean finish, you know.
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But they fine fire with fire.
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Yeah, it's the outside interference when you're bringing a story
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that's not like what's involved, what's going on like immediately
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in the ring that I've always kind of shied, you know,
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like you know, because I'm like, Okay, it's something else
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from outside is what's interfering with this? And I've never
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really liked that, and this just because it was the
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main event, it was so cool. It was such a
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fresh idea to have a matchup seeing Keys, you know, dwarfingother. Yeah.
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That particularly, I just read an article, an interview with
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Goother talking about him changing his body that you know,
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because you know the how it used to be barrel
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Chester and stuff. I'm like kind of wish you had
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that body back, huh for this match.
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You know.
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So so that was more of like you know, it
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was the excitement was feeling at the moment where it's like, Okay,
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well we're just gonna be watching like it. We'll just
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stick around and watch the TV show. It'll be good.
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But like you know, but that's more of a structural
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issue where they're kind of going to the same well
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a bit too often for me, which is which is
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what held it back for me.
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Totally got that. Yeah, so all right, let's let's positroduce
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having me ed I had more time allotted for you
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to say something.
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No, no, sinking you something too, I was, but I
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was saying for later. I was gonna say, hopefully it'll
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slur as much as the commentary team was today. Everybody's
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sounding like everyone sounded, and Minnie Brussel like they look
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like they were drunk.
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Weird.
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Okayay, so all right, so let's just get let's up. Actually,
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I'm gonna delay everything I said that we're doing next
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in terms of chet comments and other topics that I
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want to get into, because we have Joshua White joining
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us pwe Torch contributor who was the on site correspondent
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on Wednesday on our Donamite post show. He is the
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on site correspondent again from attending tonight's show. I assume
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he's ready for us. If he isn't, then then we
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can pause and go back. Let me check in, Joshua,
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are you ready to talk to us?
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Yeah? I even unmuted myself this time.
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That's perfect, excellent, So let me start Because all we've
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talked about so far is is the Royce Keys goon
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through made event. I want to get your take on
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the crowd reaction for Rice Keys as a babyface for
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goon through as a heel. Did they hold the crowd attention?
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Were they into the up and flow of the match
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and then after that? Tell me how the crowd reacted
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to Cody throughout the night, but especially if he got
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what you think is what Cody and w W would
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watch in terms of the pop for him when he
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attacked going through at the end.
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Yeah, so.
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Royce Keys, I felt like the crowd was kind of
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like they didn't know how much they were supposed to
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like him.
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But having him up against.
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Gunther I think really helped because, like as the match
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went on, the crowd was solidly behind Royce Keys and
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against guns Thro. I mean, guns is a good heel,
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and I think that'll probably serve Cody well going against
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a true heel who's not going to be stealing any
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possible cheers from him. But yeah, the crowd did end
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up behind Keys, but they were like tep it at first.
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Okay, what did you think of Keys yourself?
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Me?
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I like Kees obviously having aw guy, so I followed
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him for a while.
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I thought you looked good. I thought he didn't.
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I thought he performed well in the main event of
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a big show with the title of the line, even
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though it's one of those like, you know, he's not
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gonna win, but he didn't just straight up lose like
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he had kind of has like an excuse built in.
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I thought he'd performed pretty well. I think he went
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over a number of people in the crowd and looks good.
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That's cool, that's good. Haveabyer. Do you want to ask
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about the main event, by the way, Joshua, anything related
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to it or respond to what he had to say?
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Uh no, not specifically unless you count the Cody thing
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early earlier.
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Yeah, let's go to it.
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So, yeah, your throat that yeah, yeah, the cause what
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it sounded like to me through the TV was that
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it seemed like when Cody came out, the crowd was
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kind of deciding whether they were to chew or move. Uh,
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and you had like your spot your spot pickers are
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like you know, you know, like booing, and then like
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other people cheering, and then like it felt like that
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by the end of it seemed like people were cheering him.
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How was like the whole Cody reaction in the actual audience.
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Yeah, that's that's exactly what it felt like the audience too,
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Like his music played, There's like a quick pop and
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then there was like.
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You could feel some booze scattered.
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Then by the time he got to the ring he
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started he was setting up the signing thing like people.
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By the end of that segment, pretty much everybody was
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channing Cody though, So it's exactly like you said. It
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started out kind of split and not that he did
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anything amazing, but whatever he did work because the crowd
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was very much more for him at the end. I
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wouldn't say one hundredercent, and there were still some people
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that weren't buying it, but I'd say he went from
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Mike an eighty twenty split to like a ninety ten.
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Yeah.
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I mean that's what I've been arguing for Joshua, you
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know it. I mean, just let Cody be Cody as
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a baby face matchgans to He'll tell the traditional wrestling story,
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don't overthink it, don't over complicate it, and I think
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he'll win people over. And I think there will be
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some stragglers because Dobby has you know, trained in condition.
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The current fan based direct a certain way to pro
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wrestling that I don't think leads to the peak fan experience,
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and they need to steer people back, and it's gonna
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take some time, but I'd want Cody in the pilot's
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seat for steering people back to.
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That absolutely, and yeah, go ahead. When he came out
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was the end. That was the second biggest pop of
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the night. Is when he ran out to attack and
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come through from behind. That would be this behind Trick.
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Obviously nothing could even come close to what happened with
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Trick in the building, but Cody coming from behind was
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like full crowd pop. And then he stayed. I assuming
481
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they went out of the air after that, but he
482
00:22:16.880 --> 00:22:18.839
stayed and kind of talked to the crowd and pumped
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everybody up. So the people that stayed were like one
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hundred percent of Cody good.
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00:22:24.839 --> 00:22:29.200
That's good. Yeah, all right, So how you want to
486
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follo up on that because you brought that up. Okay,
487
00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:35.200
so let's take a step back. Just tell me what
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you thought of comparing Wednesday's crowd reaction in a macro
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sense of dynamite, much smaller crowd, it was big crowd
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tonight to what you experienced tonight. What's different about the
491
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fan experience and also the fan interpretation reaction? What what
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triggers reactions from this w crowd compared to Dynamite.
493
00:23:00.559 --> 00:23:04.039
Yeah, it almost sounds too obvious when I put it
494
00:23:04.079 --> 00:23:07.039
in my words in my head, but it's like at
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00:23:07.039 --> 00:23:10.920
the AW Show, people are mostly popping for big moves
496
00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:14.440
in the middle of a match, whereas the WW crowd
497
00:23:14.480 --> 00:23:17.359
seems to get the biggest reaction on big moments, which
498
00:23:17.359 --> 00:23:19.240
may or may not be a move. It might be
499
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an aftermatch attack, it might be just somebody's cash phrase
500
00:23:22.519 --> 00:23:26.079
or an entrance all got like, like, for instance, Cody's
501
00:23:26.200 --> 00:23:30.160
entrance was very well received, even better than like Adam
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Copland's entrance on Wednesday in his hometown of Astrovield. Yeah, yeah,
503
00:23:35.680 --> 00:23:38.640
it just seems like not that WW crowd was not
504
00:23:38.680 --> 00:23:41.160
into the match. They were into night's matches, all of them.
505
00:23:41.640 --> 00:23:43.599
They were with the baby face in every instance. So
506
00:23:43.640 --> 00:23:45.480
maybe it was a better crowd than normal this week,
507
00:23:45.519 --> 00:23:48.599
even with the slight Cody split. But yeah, it just
508
00:23:48.640 --> 00:23:51.480
does seem like the AW crowd is like move for move,
509
00:23:51.640 --> 00:23:54.519
cheering the whole time with like every little bit of it.
510
00:23:54.519 --> 00:23:57.000
And this is more of an As momentum builds, the
511
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crowd builds with it.
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So it's different, but it's not worse. It's louder in.
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W W crowd obviously, because there's like five times the
514
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amount of people.
515
00:24:08.359 --> 00:24:10.920
Did for you. This isn't about the fans, but it's
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about the fan experience. Dynamite is structured to try to
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create constant in ring action of video here and there
518
00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:20.160
on the big screen, you know, obviously in an ring
519
00:24:20.200 --> 00:24:23.039
promo here and there. But WW it can feel different.
520
00:24:23.079 --> 00:24:26.039
How are they How is WW in compared to AW
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on these sort of back to back national cable shows.
522
00:24:30.720 --> 00:24:34.079
Yeah, I think, I mean, AW, I assume if you
523
00:24:34.160 --> 00:24:36.400
just did the math, do you have more in ring
524
00:24:36.519 --> 00:24:40.960
time in general on their shows? But like the crowd
525
00:24:41.079 --> 00:24:44.559
is into all the non wrestling stuff. At the w
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W show, I mean, like the Dan Housens get everybody
527
00:24:47.759 --> 00:24:49.440
was like silent because they wanted to hear what he
528
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was saying.
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00:24:51.160 --> 00:24:51.400
Wow.
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So even and I don't think tonight they had at
531
00:24:54.480 --> 00:24:57.119
it didn't seem like a lot of backstage segments.
532
00:24:56.720 --> 00:24:59.279
But the crowd was there for all of them.
533
00:24:59.559 --> 00:25:03.240
Whereas AW, I do feel like the crowd is, you know,
534
00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:05.680
they're allowing the backstage segment to happen, but that's not
535
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what they came for. Whereas I feel like with the
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WW crowd or just like ww like, that's a big
537
00:25:11.240 --> 00:25:13.880
part of the show is the backstage stuff.
538
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And interesting got that?
539
00:25:15.839 --> 00:25:23.279
Yeah?
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Are you a fan of AW looking to sit back,
541
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relax and listen to some like minded podcasters who share
542
00:25:29.519 --> 00:25:30.039
your passion?
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Do you want to be topped off the ledge after
544
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a segment that has you wondering what the heck are
545
00:25:34.720 --> 00:25:35.200
they thinking?
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Do you want to join a discussion on what AW
547
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is doing right and what they could do to improve?
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Then join me Joel and me Greg for.
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Uh okay, let's go to the top of the show
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tonight and talk about Trick Williams and the reaction he got.
557
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How big of us star is he through your interpretation
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00:26:20.119 --> 00:26:22.599
of being in the crowd tonight, now that it's just
559
00:26:22.640 --> 00:26:24.839
full fledged baby face with with everything they're doing here,
560
00:26:24.839 --> 00:26:28.759
including obviously miss going up against him.
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Yeah, well, see because Trick's been getting a good reactions
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00:26:31.680 --> 00:26:35.839
since his debut, right, I mean, now they've you have
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00:26:35.880 --> 00:26:38.480
permission to cheer him. He's officially a baby face now,
564
00:26:38.839 --> 00:26:42.240
and then you acpolate that to include the fact that
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00:26:42.279 --> 00:26:45.839
he's coming home to Columbia, South Carolina. Wade, I like
566
00:26:45.880 --> 00:26:48.319
this town. It's fine, but we got nothing to cheer
567
00:26:48.359 --> 00:26:50.599
for all right, we have no sports teams. All we
568
00:26:50.640 --> 00:26:53.000
have is college football nothing. But one thing we have
569
00:26:53.079 --> 00:26:55.960
going for us is Trick Williams. It seemed like the
570
00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:59.559
whole city was there to see Trick Williams and they were.
571
00:27:00.279 --> 00:27:03.079
It's one of the loudest, most positive reactions I've ever
572
00:27:03.079 --> 00:27:05.279
been in the middle of. I wasn't around for a
573
00:27:05.359 --> 00:27:09.480
road Warrior pop, but this was like strong and sustained. Yeah,
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a megastar. I think part of that is him being
575
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in his hometown. But I feel like on TV it
576
00:27:14.519 --> 00:27:16.799
comes across, that's how it comes how it is everywhere.
577
00:27:16.480 --> 00:27:23.640
Action Wow, that's yeah. So where is he damaged? Is
578
00:27:23.720 --> 00:27:27.200
he are people who are worried about him being in
579
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comedic segments and MS is a comedy guy too. Do
580
00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:33.079
you think there's something to that or is this where
581
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his strength is? They have others who are playing more
582
00:27:35.559 --> 00:27:37.880
serious roles, and he can pivot to that at some
583
00:27:37.920 --> 00:27:38.680
point if needed.
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00:27:40.759 --> 00:27:43.680
Well, I mean, I think apparently he's going to be
585
00:27:43.720 --> 00:27:46.119
over either way. I don't think the gingerbreadman stuff was
586
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doing him any favors.
587
00:27:47.119 --> 00:27:48.279
I personally was not into that.
588
00:27:48.319 --> 00:27:51.240
There are pockets of people who love that, so there's that,
589
00:27:51.759 --> 00:27:55.000
But I think his performance within these things, which are
590
00:27:55.279 --> 00:27:58.319
maybe a little silly, is usually still good and it's
591
00:27:58.359 --> 00:27:59.720
not dragging him down so far.
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He still over more than anybody else tonight.
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How have you do you want to jump in?
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Well, I think that the overall, the whole Gingerbread and
595
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the more comedic aspects of things, I don't think it
596
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would hurt him. I think just too soon, because he
597
00:28:19.640 --> 00:28:22.160
kind of feels like what Jericho would do, or he
598
00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:24.680
would have like serious runs and then you believe him,
599
00:28:24.720 --> 00:28:26.559
and then you know he'll he'll start messing with people
600
00:28:26.599 --> 00:28:28.839
and like they get really funny because he's messing with people.
601
00:28:29.319 --> 00:28:32.000
And the whole Gingerbread thing to me with felt like that.
602
00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:35.759
But he didn't have at least on WWTV because I
603
00:28:35.839 --> 00:28:39.000
wasn't watching NXP the cachet for him to be taken
604
00:28:39.039 --> 00:28:41.799
seriously at first because he would take Jericho seriously. You know,
605
00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:43.880
he would screw around, but then you would know he
606
00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:46.480
you know, when it's time to fight, he'd mean business.
607
00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:50.200
I don't have that from that experience with Trick Williams.
608
00:28:50.240 --> 00:28:52.000
So I don't know if he's just like a joker
609
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all the time. You know. So they haven't established him
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as someone who could you know, kick ass yet on
611
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in the ww ON.
612
00:29:00.519 --> 00:29:05.480
So yeah, yeah, that's interesting. That comparison to Jericho is interesting.
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00:29:05.720 --> 00:29:09.240
I'm trigued by that because it you're right to have.
614
00:29:09.480 --> 00:29:11.599
He hasn't shown he can't be that. But Jericho did
615
00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:15.960
manage them both. You know, he managed both both sides
616
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of that character work that you're talking about.
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00:29:17.480 --> 00:29:20.720
How heer Yeah, yeah, so you know, like and usually
618
00:29:20.720 --> 00:29:24.240
it would start like serious, and he'll get something that
619
00:29:24.359 --> 00:29:26.319
works and then like play into that and that become
620
00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:28.559
really comedic. But then something would happen. I would like
621
00:29:28.599 --> 00:29:31.720
switch that into like becoming a serious story again, and
622
00:29:31.799 --> 00:29:34.440
I could and and just his mannerisms and the way
623
00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:38.039
that he handles the comedy aspect of it. I think
624
00:29:38.079 --> 00:29:40.680
that that it it it he I think he could
625
00:29:40.720 --> 00:29:42.839
be able to pull it off, But it feels like
626
00:29:42.880 --> 00:29:44.279
they kind of skip the few steps to get to
627
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that point and which could let him end up, you know,
628
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being for him being type cast at that level when
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I think that he could actually do more.
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So, do you want anything else to Trick Joshua this conversation.
631
00:29:56.559 --> 00:29:58.839
No, I think Jericho is actually I wouldn't have thought
632
00:29:58.839 --> 00:30:00.759
of it, but I think that is actually pretty interesting comparison.
633
00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:03.160
I can see that if you're right, if Trick can
634
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just turn on the serious part that he needs, like
635
00:30:06.599 --> 00:30:08.519
when he has a match and stuff, I think it
636
00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:11.960
could be very successful, although his ring work is still
637
00:30:12.440 --> 00:30:15.039
kind of a downtime, Like he through I'm watching I
638
00:30:15.079 --> 00:30:17.640
was very far away, FYI because I got a cheap ticket,
639
00:30:17.680 --> 00:30:19.599
but he missed straight up some punches.
640
00:30:20.599 --> 00:30:26.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's a work in progress, and
641
00:30:26.440 --> 00:30:29.279
it has been since he was overshadowing Carmelo Hayes in
642
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certain ways, but in other ways it was like, but
643
00:30:31.799 --> 00:30:34.599
is he good enough that even if he's overshadowing, should
644
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they push him at the level that maybe his charisma
645
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is calling for and that that's part of the that's
646
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part of the part of the adventure of watching us.
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Somebody like this powder of repeat in the chat, I'll
648
00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:47.160
just kind of get a comment up here. I think
649
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Trick has gotten better since his NXT beginnings, but I'm
650
00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:51.920
gonna rely on Derek Covert's expertise on how he measures
651
00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:56.160
up against the major leagues and Derek. Right before that,
652
00:30:56.359 --> 00:30:58.200
Derek covered a people You Torch contributed by the way,
653
00:30:58.279 --> 00:31:01.000
check out his new features on people Get. Torch says
654
00:31:01.240 --> 00:31:03.599
the quality of tricks matches is entirely dependent on how
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00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:06.559
well his opponent guides him and sells for him. He
656
00:31:06.599 --> 00:31:11.920
can't carry his own weight, and he had mentioned earlier,
657
00:31:12.279 --> 00:31:13.960
I hope none of them f Pete had become too
658
00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:16.440
comfortable and confident. My concern is neither Trick nor Ricky
659
00:31:16.440 --> 00:31:21.119
Starks have improved in the ring in two years, have
660
00:31:21.279 --> 00:31:22.839
your Do you want to comment on that aspect of things.
661
00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:26.279
I think where he starts, I haven't seen too much
662
00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:29.480
of him recently, but I think he or are saints.
663
00:31:29.480 --> 00:31:33.079
I'm going to be doing that forever, uh he he Basically,
664
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you know, he already had a higher like you know,
665
00:31:36.440 --> 00:31:38.039
started at a higher level in terms of like what
666
00:31:38.119 --> 00:31:40.000
he does in the ring. So I don't know. I
667
00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:41.920
can't really but I can't. I can't tell if he's
668
00:31:41.960 --> 00:31:45.480
much much improved from them. Yeah, I did. I did
669
00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:48.400
pick up. You know, the inbrand ashes never had been
670
00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:51.519
my forte, but I did pick up. He felt it
671
00:31:51.559 --> 00:31:54.000
felt sloppier than you know that I've seen him with
672
00:31:54.240 --> 00:31:57.319
Trick Williams. That is felt sloppier than I've seen in
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00:31:57.359 --> 00:32:00.960
some of his matches, you know. And speaking of of
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Ricky Saints there that that's kind of why I was.
675
00:32:03.480 --> 00:32:05.160
I was half joking, and I felt like everybody on
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00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:09.359
the show was drunk because there was that that or
677
00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:12.559
Dan Housen must have must have cursed that corner because
678
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you had both uh Damian Priest fall and you had
679
00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:20.279
uh Saints who was trying to do the the ring thing,
680
00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:24.279
you know, pushing off the top also miss. But credit
681
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to Carmela Hayes, he basically picked it up, so it
682
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looked like he had counted it when it was. It
683
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looked like it was obviously a slip.
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Uh.
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And even Alexa Bliss uh a little bit less her
686
00:32:34.039 --> 00:32:35.799
fault that thing that she does was she flips and
687
00:32:36.119 --> 00:32:38.279
lands on her knees. Uh. There was a lot of
688
00:32:38.359 --> 00:32:40.200
light in that and the camera was also like the
689
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worst for it, so it looked like you missed her
690
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by mile, So that was both the camera and the
691
00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:48.119
camera positioning and the move so it kind of felt
692
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like sloppy all throughout the night. But like the trick
693
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Williams was also the trick Williams and uh and that
694
00:32:53.960 --> 00:32:57.039
one also kind of felt a little bit uh messy
695
00:32:57.079 --> 00:32:58.759
to me. One of the things I want to say
696
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about the match, though, which was cool, was the fact
697
00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:03.880
that he easily kicked out of the Missus finisher. So
698
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that's it kind of feels like it's sending a message, Well,
699
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this is you know, the old guys can't cut it
700
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anymore with like their finishers can't cut it because it
701
00:33:10.839 --> 00:33:12.799
can't be these young guys. So I thought that was
702
00:33:12.799 --> 00:33:14.119
an interesting message to siend.
703
00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:21.160
Was the crowd into Carmelo and Ricky Starks. There's you
704
00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:22.880
know on TV, it came across it might have been
705
00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:25.799
some some weak points there. What was that, like, Joshua
706
00:33:26.160 --> 00:33:30.039
kind of compare work work work style wise, since Derek
707
00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:31.599
brought it up with the chat, brought it up Ricky
708
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Starks's ring work, but especially how over are these two?
709
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:36.839
Carmel has been away for a while, Starks has been
710
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up and down in terms of landing and connecting with
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the audience with his character.
712
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Yeah, I thought, Carmelo, I don't.
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I don't.
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Maybe people won't recognize music, because when he first came out,
715
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it seemed like people didn't know who was coming out.
716
00:33:50.599 --> 00:33:53.240
But he got a decent reaction, but as good as
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I would have expected, especially after like how well he
718
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did during the US title run. And then I figured
719
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just his associations the trick would also get him extra
720
00:34:01.359 --> 00:34:04.319
bonus points in Columbia, but didn't seem like he got
721
00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:06.519
a huge reaction, and then it seemed like a lot
722
00:34:06.519 --> 00:34:09.559
of people did not know who Ricky was.
723
00:34:11.960 --> 00:34:13.480
Yeah, it's I think.
724
00:34:13.639 --> 00:34:15.679
I mean, there were a couple louder people who knew
725
00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:17.519
exactly who Ricky was and were yelling for him, but
726
00:34:17.840 --> 00:34:19.599
nobody like got behind Ricky, which is fine.
727
00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:21.440
I don't think they were supposed to. He's obviously healing
728
00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:22.559
this situation.
729
00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:24.119
But it did take him some time to warm up
730
00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:26.519
the Carmelo, although I think at the end of the
731
00:34:26.519 --> 00:34:30.360
match they did have the crowd for the finish at least.
732
00:34:31.480 --> 00:34:36.119
Very good talk about the women's segment with Jade b
733
00:34:36.280 --> 00:34:38.920
fab Mechen in the ring, and then Charlotte and Bliss
734
00:34:38.920 --> 00:34:41.519
coming out. Talk about the interactions with their promo and
735
00:34:41.519 --> 00:34:45.440
also the match itself. How did they hold the audience's attention.
736
00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:52.360
Yeah, so Jade's promo was I thought, fine, she didn't
737
00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:53.280
like lose the audience.
738
00:34:53.320 --> 00:34:56.159
It was nice and short. That's always good for her.
739
00:34:57.079 --> 00:34:58.320
But yeah, she got good heat.
740
00:34:58.360 --> 00:35:00.239
Though the crowd definitely knew they were supposed to bower,
741
00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:02.239
even though they cheered when she first came out, because
742
00:35:02.239 --> 00:35:04.480
she just presents a certain amount of or. They did
743
00:35:04.559 --> 00:35:07.960
eventually bow her when she got into her promo, and
744
00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:09.519
they were very into Charlotte.
745
00:35:09.559 --> 00:35:11.159
There was a lot of wooz.
746
00:35:11.239 --> 00:35:13.760
They did note it as Flair Country, which I guess
747
00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:15.840
we're attached to North Carolina, so we're gonna get that.
748
00:35:16.880 --> 00:35:19.159
But yeah, they were really into Charlotte. They like Bliss too.
749
00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:22.599
I don't think they care about Meachin or beefat but
750
00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:26.079
I think the company also doesn't most nobody does. But
751
00:35:26.360 --> 00:35:28.360
I thought the match, I thought they did pretty good
752
00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:30.440
at holding the attention. It seemed like it went longer
753
00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:32.599
than it needed to and dragged a little bit because
754
00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:36.199
it seemed kind of obvious that Flair and Alexas we're
755
00:35:36.239 --> 00:35:38.199
gonna win, and they shouldn't have any trouble with meets
756
00:35:38.199 --> 00:35:43.000
you and beefab and eventually they didn't. Oh, this was
757
00:35:43.239 --> 00:35:45.280
I was watching alive obviously because I was in the building.
758
00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:48.280
How much of Charlotte Flair's ass did you guys see?
759
00:35:48.320 --> 00:35:49.639
Because I saw like all of it?
760
00:35:51.039 --> 00:35:53.800
Heavier nodding affirmatively.
761
00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:56.000
That the camera pretty much got all the way in there.
762
00:35:56.199 --> 00:35:58.280
I'm surprised I didn't get away, like, you know, because
763
00:35:58.320 --> 00:35:59.320
like it hell for a bit.
764
00:35:59.519 --> 00:36:02.960
So yeah, held on the big screen show. I'm like, well, look,
765
00:36:05.519 --> 00:36:09.119
apparently they didn't. Okay, well that's fine, I guess, yeah,
766
00:36:09.159 --> 00:36:09.599
but no, it was.
767
00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:12.039
It was fine. It was I think that is that
768
00:36:12.159 --> 00:36:13.840
the only women's segment of the night. I can't remember
769
00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:14.320
anything else.
770
00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:18.920
I think it was. I mean there was a backstage yeah, right, but.
771
00:36:19.639 --> 00:36:22.480
After the match when the while they were getting beat up,
772
00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:24.760
like crowd was training. We want Rhea, who we did
773
00:36:24.880 --> 00:36:27.199
not get. So that was kind of a let down
774
00:36:27.199 --> 00:36:27.599
a little bit.
775
00:36:29.239 --> 00:36:33.000
Yeah, very good. Just a reminder. You can reach us
776
00:36:33.079 --> 00:36:35.519
at Wade Keller Post Show at gmail dot com if
777
00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:38.000
you're interested in contributing to the flagship, or Wade Keller
778
00:36:38.079 --> 00:36:40.239
Post Show at gmail dot com. If you're interested in
779
00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:42.840
submitting a question or a topic or even a rant
780
00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:48.039
on the Wade Keller Pro Wrestling post shows, I will
781
00:36:48.360 --> 00:36:49.440
throw it a hobby air if you have Do you
782
00:36:49.480 --> 00:36:51.360
have anything else you want to ask? Specifically about tonight's
783
00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:53.079
show to Joshua.
784
00:36:55.320 --> 00:36:56.840
There were a couple other because there was also the
785
00:36:56.880 --> 00:37:01.199
women's tag team match and the the oh yeah yeah,
786
00:37:02.480 --> 00:37:05.599
and it's yeah yeah. And the funny thing is I
787
00:37:05.800 --> 00:37:07.280
kind of missed it because that's why I was setting
788
00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:08.440
up for the podcast.
789
00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:10.760
So just talked about a women's tag match, But you're right,
790
00:37:10.840 --> 00:37:14.519
there was another one, and it was for the titles. Yes,
791
00:37:16.400 --> 00:37:18.280
it was only eight minutes. There's a commercial break in
792
00:37:18.320 --> 00:37:20.480
the middle. There's very little remember about this, and it
793
00:37:20.679 --> 00:37:24.039
was mostly about Keana and Julie just waiting for them
794
00:37:24.119 --> 00:37:28.519
to have a coincidence of all coincidences, another misque that
795
00:37:28.639 --> 00:37:31.960
led to led attention and a very animated argument later.
796
00:37:33.840 --> 00:37:35.320
Yes, just let the.
797
00:37:35.360 --> 00:37:37.360
Fact that I forgot this happen give you an idea
798
00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:39.679
how I and the crowd received that I did. This
799
00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:42.079
was I hate to call it the bathroom break match,
800
00:37:42.119 --> 00:37:44.400
but I did get up during this passion leave. I
801
00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:46.880
did catch the end. But yeah, I guess it was fine.
802
00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:52.800
Probably the crowd was interested in three for some reason,
803
00:37:53.119 --> 00:37:54.800
and they seem like they're like page I guess, but
804
00:37:55.280 --> 00:37:59.119
nobody was really into anything about this match was crazy
805
00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:02.079
because it is for the titles, which were such a
806
00:38:02.159 --> 00:38:04.320
big deal though women's tag titles, like just a few
807
00:38:04.360 --> 00:38:04.760
months ago.
808
00:38:08.679 --> 00:38:10.960
Oh yeah, I know. I was gonna say, pre got
809
00:38:11.039 --> 00:38:14.119
it right the Judgment day not Judgment's Day in her
810
00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:18.239
promo progress made and she said it, and I like,
811
00:38:18.400 --> 00:38:20.039
rewound it. I watched, I'm like, I want to see
812
00:38:20.119 --> 00:38:22.719
she was kind of snotty. I'm being by, like, let
813
00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:25.440
me just for I'm being reading into it being totally unfair,
814
00:38:25.480 --> 00:38:26.960
but I'm going with it anyway. She seemed kind of
815
00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:29.000
snotty about it, like all right, I'll say it right
816
00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:30.320
if y'all are going to be so mad at me,
817
00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:32.360
And so she kind of said, there's a little bit
818
00:38:32.559 --> 00:38:33.320
i'm reading into it.
819
00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:33.960
I'm admitting that.
820
00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:35.920
But I thought there was a little attitude about it,
821
00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:37.440
like yeall made a big deal of it. So what
822
00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:39.920
I said it slightly wrong. I never watched w b TV.
823
00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:42.280
I what am I supposed to do? Know the names
824
00:38:42.320 --> 00:38:44.840
of the factions at Barron for years anyway.
825
00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:50.639
Speaking of of rewinding it during the Saints match, and
826
00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:56.599
it might have been during the commercial break, Barrett said, uh, uh,
827
00:38:56.760 --> 00:39:00.639
it's it's a Friday night or I've been tested our
828
00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:04.920
Friday night uh Saints, and I heard Friday night simps
829
00:39:06.360 --> 00:39:09.960
sound like say that I to rewind it. I was like,
830
00:39:10.039 --> 00:39:12.880
because that's why that's tell you. It sounded like everybody's slurry.
831
00:39:13.039 --> 00:39:14.840
Maybe it's just me. Maybe I don't know who's drunk.
832
00:39:14.880 --> 00:39:17.960
But you know, that's why you should decide whether you
833
00:39:17.960 --> 00:39:19.440
want to admit this live on a podcast.
834
00:39:20.320 --> 00:39:20.880
You're not sure?
835
00:39:21.679 --> 00:39:30.119
Yeap, No, I'm joking, all right, yes, yes, Joshua. Anything
836
00:39:30.159 --> 00:39:32.119
else you want to add about the show, anything between
837
00:39:32.679 --> 00:39:35.519
matches or before or after, any other observations. I know
838
00:39:35.559 --> 00:39:37.239
there was a by the way, I forget to say,
839
00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:39.079
so there was a fan in the crowd. I assume
840
00:39:39.079 --> 00:39:40.760
it wasn't you because you were in the very back road, Joshua.
841
00:39:40.840 --> 00:39:43.719
But the sign said goon th Ruined by Life about
842
00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:45.800
eight rows in off the hard Camp, and I was like,
843
00:39:46.119 --> 00:39:49.320
and I was like, is this like, is there something
844
00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:51.119
we should know? And then I thought, no, that's probably
845
00:39:51.159 --> 00:39:52.800
just a big John Steena fan. And I'm like, come
846
00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:57.119
on anyway, No, they a science.
847
00:39:58.119 --> 00:40:00.159
They showed a lot of signs in the crowd in
848
00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:02.599
like breaks, and I did not see that sign because
849
00:40:02.599 --> 00:40:03.440
I would have laughed at it.
850
00:40:04.719 --> 00:40:07.639
Yeah, send Kathy to that guy. I wouldn't hear his story.
851
00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:12.880
Yeah all right, yeah, Joshua, I interjected that. But any
852
00:40:12.920 --> 00:40:14.960
other thoughts, No.
853
00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:18.559
No, it's just I will say that parking and traffic
854
00:40:18.679 --> 00:40:20.519
was way worse than for this in the AW Show.
855
00:40:20.559 --> 00:40:22.400
But again that was probably the five times the amount
856
00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:22.880
of people thing.
857
00:40:23.639 --> 00:40:24.239
Oh there was like.
858
00:40:24.599 --> 00:40:28.159
Three different merch booths with like five times the amount
859
00:40:28.159 --> 00:40:29.639
of merchandise and the AW Show two.
860
00:40:29.719 --> 00:40:31.320
But that comes to a shock to nobody.
861
00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:38.199
Yeah, yeah, cool. I don't know I got enough josh anything.
862
00:40:38.199 --> 00:40:39.239
I don't know if I have anything else for you.
863
00:40:41.079 --> 00:40:41.679
I don't have much.
864
00:40:41.920 --> 00:40:44.920
Damien Priest was like surprisingly over the crowd was really
865
00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:46.280
into him for some reason.
866
00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:50.400
Just random Yeah, no, no good. I mean that's that's
867
00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:52.119
what I look for, is is observation that might not
868
00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:54.760
come through on TV. All right, Joshua, thank you. Check
869
00:40:54.800 --> 00:40:57.119
out his new podcast. It's on the People You Towards
870
00:40:57.239 --> 00:41:00.360
Daily cast feed. It's free for everybody. Drops money nights
871
00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:04.199
worse or better. Stephanie Chase joins him, and they talk
872
00:41:04.239 --> 00:41:06.559
about something going on today and then something from the past,
873
00:41:06.639 --> 00:41:08.320
and say, is it better or worse than it used
874
00:41:08.320 --> 00:41:10.920
to be? Josh, we'll give it a brief better plug
875
00:41:11.039 --> 00:41:11.199
than that.
876
00:41:12.760 --> 00:41:14.840
Okay, well, we don't determine whether it's better or worse.
877
00:41:14.880 --> 00:41:16.840
We determine if it's worse or better. First of all,
878
00:41:17.400 --> 00:41:20.679
did I say did I get it wrong? I mean
879
00:41:21.039 --> 00:41:25.280
at one point, yes, oh wow, sorry, yeah. Nevertheless, you
880
00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:27.360
think i'd know because it was my my I pushed
881
00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:29.480
for it. I pushed for us US reversing the convention.
882
00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:32.679
I know, right, I wanted better or worse, but I
883
00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:35.760
didn't get what I wanted to say anyway.
884
00:41:35.840 --> 00:41:38.079
Yeah, So we take just a general kind of a
885
00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:40.679
wrestling topic and we kind of look at how it's
886
00:41:40.760 --> 00:41:43.400
doing now, how it has been, kind of compare whether
887
00:41:43.480 --> 00:41:47.039
or not it's worse or better in that order, and spoiler,
888
00:41:47.159 --> 00:41:49.519
I think we've landed on worse every week.
889
00:41:49.639 --> 00:41:52.760
So in general, wrestling's apparently getting much worse.
890
00:41:53.079 --> 00:41:54.760
I think one week we had a push like it
891
00:41:54.880 --> 00:41:58.199
was it's equally bad, but yeah, like last week we
892
00:41:58.320 --> 00:42:01.719
did wow, like entrance themes that actually Chris Lansdale joined
893
00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:04.239
me last week because Sephanie was feeling hill. But yes,
894
00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:06.400
I recommend it if you have. I think it's kind
895
00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:09.480
of evergreen territory, so it's always good listen. You know,
896
00:42:09.760 --> 00:42:11.400
if you get behind, just stack it up and listen
897
00:42:11.400 --> 00:42:11.960
to them all in a row.
898
00:42:12.559 --> 00:42:14.400
I just thought Stephanie had a cough. Okay, that's that
899
00:42:14.480 --> 00:42:18.119
clears that up. Well, not that she was under the weather.
900
00:42:18.159 --> 00:42:20.119
That that's her voice sounded weird. That's that's why I
901
00:42:20.280 --> 00:42:22.000
explain the joke, because she was sick, So it's saying
902
00:42:22.039 --> 00:42:23.639
she had a cough. Didn't it make sense? I meant
903
00:42:23.679 --> 00:42:26.360
the voice because they both have accents. All right, I
904
00:42:26.440 --> 00:42:30.159
will stop trying to tell jokes. I was gonna say
905
00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:32.199
about that. I don't remember search people to you torture
906
00:42:32.199 --> 00:42:34.039
your podcast stap subscribe, Joshua, thanks so much.
907
00:42:34.639 --> 00:42:36.000
All right, I'm gonna stop telling jokes too.
908
00:42:36.039 --> 00:42:40.800
Have good night, Have a good night, all right, Jabo.
909
00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:43.840
Let's throw some check comments up about the atopic Royce keys,
910
00:42:43.840 --> 00:42:45.199
and then we move on to some other things we
911
00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:47.079
just talked about and showed her hand a little bit
912
00:42:47.719 --> 00:42:52.280
on with uh with Joshua uh okay, Darrell Freeman says,
913
00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:55.760
fans want to cheer Cody. That's why soon he gives
914
00:42:55.800 --> 00:42:58.039
them something, they fall in live behind him. They fall
915
00:42:58.119 --> 00:43:00.599
in line behind him. They just needed something with a
916
00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:04.000
story they tell with him for fans to get behind. Yep,
917
00:43:04.639 --> 00:43:08.440
we're on the same page. And then Derek Mitchell says, wait,
918
00:43:08.440 --> 00:43:10.079
it's not like Cody hasn't played this role against Teal,
919
00:43:10.119 --> 00:43:14.800
Kevin Olison, Drew McIntyre in the recent past. Sure, I mean,
920
00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:19.239
but that was absent the interference and absent the push
921
00:43:19.320 --> 00:43:24.559
for him to everyone, noting Booze. So yeah, this isn't
922
00:43:24.639 --> 00:43:27.039
the first time he's had this prora like a heal opponent.
923
00:43:27.079 --> 00:43:29.320
I'm not saying that, I'm saying, clear the path for
924
00:43:29.440 --> 00:43:31.000
him to just do that. And Frank, I'd like to
925
00:43:31.039 --> 00:43:33.519
see that go all the way through Usmania season next year.
926
00:43:34.679 --> 00:43:38.199
Okay. Also, the Kevin on the program cut short because
927
00:43:38.199 --> 00:43:38.920
of the injury.
928
00:43:38.880 --> 00:43:42.159
Yeah, yep, Yeah, that that unraveled everything, thanks Kevin.
929
00:43:42.280 --> 00:43:47.119
Yeah, and the uh and the McIntyre one was also
930
00:43:48.079 --> 00:43:50.920
messed up because of the Jacob Too injury. Because Jacob
931
00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:52.320
he was supposed to feud with him and then he
932
00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:56.280
moved up the fight with McIntyre. So that's fur headed
933
00:43:56.360 --> 00:43:58.679
out for way too long and people were ready to
934
00:43:58.760 --> 00:43:58.960
move on.
935
00:43:59.159 --> 00:44:01.960
So that's that's a thing too, Yeah, like fresh heal opponents.
936
00:44:02.760 --> 00:44:05.360
Yeah, well one of the because because that's the one
937
00:44:05.400 --> 00:44:09.280
of the issues with uh. The thing about what I
938
00:44:09.320 --> 00:44:11.119
see from Cody is that he's one of the people
939
00:44:11.159 --> 00:44:15.880
who could actually uh connect in a way where he
940
00:44:16.119 --> 00:44:21.320
convinces you to want what he wants. So that so
941
00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:22.960
that's why he can he can win you over that.
942
00:44:23.119 --> 00:44:24.679
That's you know, that that's kind of rare, not not
943
00:44:24.760 --> 00:44:27.800
too many uh personalities have that. So you know, you
944
00:44:27.880 --> 00:44:29.360
might come in and think, oh, this guy's just a
945
00:44:29.400 --> 00:44:31.559
blow hard. But in some way, like in the way
946
00:44:31.559 --> 00:44:32.719
I don't know if it's the way he phrases, the
947
00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:34.719
way he carries himself, he makes that kind of connection,
948
00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:36.960
uh you know, but for some people that rubs him
949
00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:38.920
the wrong way too, So like you know, you might
950
00:44:39.079 --> 00:44:41.960
just freaking hate the guy. You know, there's nothing I
951
00:44:42.039 --> 00:44:42.920
know about it, but you know.
952
00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:47.440
Super chat from Derek Mitchell. Uh did anyone notice Solo
953
00:44:47.519 --> 00:44:49.880
shouting come on Will, which is funny because his character's
954
00:44:49.960 --> 00:44:51.360
name is nol Royce. Did you pick up on that
955
00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:53.280
out of here easy mistake?
956
00:44:53.400 --> 00:44:56.440
Yes, yes, yeah, that's right that I well, I heard it,
957
00:44:56.480 --> 00:44:58.119
but I didn't make the connections I was mentioned. I'm like,
958
00:44:58.199 --> 00:44:59.360
that's right, that's not the things.
959
00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:02.119
It's like saying Ricky Ricky Starks instead of Ricky saying
960
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it's it's just gonna happen like forever, Well, not forever,
961
00:45:05.559 --> 00:45:08.480
it'll people. I'm trying to think of someone else's name
962
00:45:08.519 --> 00:45:11.880
that got changed in jumping, like John Moxley, Like, I mean,
963
00:45:11.960 --> 00:45:13.760
we just called him Dean Rambros. For a while. It
964
00:45:13.800 --> 00:45:15.800
took a while for the instant, for the kind of
965
00:45:16.239 --> 00:45:18.800
and just the instinct or the whatever that happened.
966
00:45:18.840 --> 00:45:22.199
Well, I say the big one is Danielson. You know Daniels.
967
00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:25.480
That was one I still make that mistake. That's about
968
00:45:25.519 --> 00:45:26.199
him totally.
969
00:45:26.320 --> 00:45:30.239
Yeah, Daniel, Bryan Danielson, you got it all covered. Uh
970
00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:32.199
powder repeat. By the way, to your point much earlier,
971
00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:34.360
Howvier said, I love wrestling. I knew Keys was going
972
00:45:34.400 --> 00:45:35.800
to use solo his own chair against him, and I
973
00:45:35.840 --> 00:45:39.800
still popped when he did. There we are, Yeah, well,
974
00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:41.000
I mean that that the point.
975
00:45:41.239 --> 00:45:42.679
The point wasn't the fact they hit him a chair.
976
00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:45.039
That's cool, that's that's fine. My point was more that
977
00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:46.880
I knew that there was going to be some form
978
00:45:46.960 --> 00:45:47.599
of interference.
979
00:45:47.800 --> 00:45:47.960
Yeah.
980
00:45:48.000 --> 00:45:49.960
Yeah, well, and he's being specific, but I think his
981
00:45:50.079 --> 00:45:51.800
point still relates to your point, which is you can
982
00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:54.440
see something coming and if it's the right thing.
983
00:45:57.039 --> 00:46:01.039
I co signed that idea because the idea of trying
984
00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:07.400
to fake people out, you know, it is just like dumb.
985
00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:10.159
You're just wasting people's time that way. If anyone watched
986
00:46:10.199 --> 00:46:12.760
Rings of Power, they tease that one character is a
987
00:46:12.760 --> 00:46:15.760
specific person, they don't. They tease it for entire two years.
988
00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:19.159
Everybody knew who he was. For two years they teased
989
00:46:19.159 --> 00:46:21.280
it and everybody knew and it was just like to
990
00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:23.760
just try to swerve you. So you don't want to
991
00:46:23.800 --> 00:46:23.960
do that.
992
00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:24.679
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I enjoy this comment from C T. Shame on shame
1004
00:47:17.559 --> 00:47:19.400
for it's a shame for rice Keys that we couldn't
1005
00:47:19.519 --> 00:47:22.360
just vote for him to win. Someone should suggest that
1006
00:47:24.039 --> 00:47:27.400
now the John Cena Classic is not voting for who
1007
00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:29.719
the winner will be. It is voting for who the
1008
00:47:29.920 --> 00:47:33.039
champion will be, disregardless of whether they won or lost.
1009
00:47:33.079 --> 00:47:35.440
It doesn't change the outcome of a match. It's just
1010
00:47:35.559 --> 00:47:38.719
you get awarded a title if you are the one
1011
00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:42.079
who was who the fans felt most entertained by. Because
1012
00:47:42.119 --> 00:47:45.679
in John Cena's world, with his low main event wrestling IQ,
1013
00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:49.519
for all the success, he thinks his job is to
1014
00:47:49.719 --> 00:47:52.239
say on television or job is to entertain you, instead
1015
00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:54.719
of doing a better job of it without talking about it.
1016
00:47:55.960 --> 00:48:00.360
I'm not again, I like being controlling when like the
1017
00:48:00.559 --> 00:48:02.719
opinion is heavily on one side, I want to give
1018
00:48:02.800 --> 00:48:05.000
the perspective somebody else, even if I agree with that side.
1019
00:48:05.880 --> 00:48:07.920
This is one where I'm like, yeah, I'm kind of
1020
00:48:07.960 --> 00:48:10.519
with them with the mob on this one. Uh, this
1021
00:48:10.719 --> 00:48:13.000
is this is the I mean, if you the best
1022
00:48:13.119 --> 00:48:16.239
way and it says has a simple fix. You have
1023
00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:21.719
a championship, but then you also vote for someone else
1024
00:48:21.880 --> 00:48:23.920
to be the MVP, and that could be someone who
1025
00:48:23.920 --> 00:48:26.519
doesn't win his match, you know, if you want to
1026
00:48:26.599 --> 00:48:30.039
do that a way to like promote somebody who's good,
1027
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:31.800
but you still want him to lose and not you know,
1028
00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:35.199
you know, and have that fan interaction, you know, like
1029
00:48:35.320 --> 00:48:37.519
the match of the night. How UFC does that? You know,
1030
00:48:38.639 --> 00:48:40.159
you know that might not have been the most important
1031
00:48:40.199 --> 00:48:41.800
match of the night, but if it was the most entertaining,
1032
00:48:41.840 --> 00:48:43.599
they will give it to him. Have that have the
1033
00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:45.480
match of the night. If you have this tournament, you
1034
00:48:45.559 --> 00:48:47.119
know it's and if the same person gets the same
1035
00:48:47.320 --> 00:48:50.360
he'll get more opportunities that way. But the whole idea,
1036
00:48:50.559 --> 00:48:52.840
like you are putting it in front of everyone that
1037
00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:53.480
it's fake.
1038
00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:58.320
So you know, and and you're not like I would
1039
00:48:58.360 --> 00:49:02.119
disagree with that phrasing a little bit. Everyone knows it's fake.
1040
00:49:02.360 --> 00:49:06.360
What you are doing is you're saying, we're breaking from
1041
00:49:08.199 --> 00:49:11.559
telling us, we're breaking from simulating a sport, and we
1042
00:49:11.679 --> 00:49:15.440
are like, it's worse in pro wrestling than in MMA
1043
00:49:16.360 --> 00:49:18.559
because in MMA it's real. So you can get away
1044
00:49:18.679 --> 00:49:24.239
with kind of clouding or polluting the ultimate thing that
1045
00:49:24.400 --> 00:49:27.239
matters no pun intended, which is are you the best fighter?
1046
00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:30.199
You can mrk it up? You end up mrking it
1047
00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:31.800
up because then some fighters are like, well I could win,
1048
00:49:32.159 --> 00:49:34.800
but I won't get that bonus, so I'm I'm gonna
1049
00:49:35.519 --> 00:49:38.920
do something really fancy instead, you know, like I mean whatever. However,
1050
00:49:38.960 --> 00:49:42.360
people like I think it's not pure to give you know,
1051
00:49:42.440 --> 00:49:46.320
best fight bonuses, because people should. It encourages fighters to
1052
00:49:46.400 --> 00:49:48.400
think about that when they should just be thinking about winning.
1053
00:49:48.559 --> 00:49:53.280
But in pro wrestling, it's more dangerous because people are
1054
00:49:53.360 --> 00:49:55.679
watching and it takes extra effort to pull them into
1055
00:49:55.760 --> 00:49:58.440
a world that they know before it starts isn't real,
1056
00:49:58.920 --> 00:50:00.320
but you want to pull them in. It's more like
1057
00:50:00.360 --> 00:50:02.440
watching a movie. And if you're watching a movie and
1058
00:50:02.480 --> 00:50:04.280
they say, did we are we entertaining you so far?
1059
00:50:04.360 --> 00:50:06.639
Do you like the director's choices? Did we cast it?
1060
00:50:06.719 --> 00:50:06.920
Well?
1061
00:50:07.159 --> 00:50:08.920
Like, now you're thinking about it in a different way.
1062
00:50:09.239 --> 00:50:12.000
You should never encourage that. Well while watching wrestling, and
1063
00:50:12.119 --> 00:50:15.320
John Cena has for decades he thinks, like fans want
1064
00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:16.639
to be asked, did we entertain you enough?
1065
00:50:16.719 --> 00:50:16.920
You like?
1066
00:50:17.000 --> 00:50:18.920
Oh, like, anyway, I'm not gonna run?
1067
00:50:19.400 --> 00:50:21.119
Was that that was That was what I meant by fake.
1068
00:50:21.440 --> 00:50:23.960
I meant that you're you're being reminded it's fake while
1069
00:50:24.119 --> 00:50:26.039
it's going on, and not letting not giving you the
1070
00:50:26.079 --> 00:50:30.800
opportunity to to to to get sect into the match.
1071
00:50:31.360 --> 00:50:39.679
Yep, yep, all right, uh more chat comments here, it's
1072
00:50:39.719 --> 00:50:42.719
gonna I think I posted that earlier. Let's scrol well,
1073
00:50:42.719 --> 00:50:46.239
I don't know. Let's let's let's move on to other topics.
1074
00:50:46.960 --> 00:50:49.599
I think we covered that aspect well and I got
1075
00:50:49.639 --> 00:50:51.559
the quip in that I wanted to and that's a
1076
00:50:51.559 --> 00:50:54.079
good closing one. Dereck Mitchell the super Chat let's give
1077
00:50:54.119 --> 00:50:56.519
this attention. Thank you Derek, by the way, as always,
1078
00:50:56.519 --> 00:50:59.480
super Chats welcome from everybody. Of course, it's a nice
1079
00:50:59.519 --> 00:51:02.000
way to whatever you have the budget to sho appreciation
1080
00:51:02.039 --> 00:51:04.519
for us. Derek, really, thank you for that. I've never
1081
00:51:04.559 --> 00:51:06.559
been a fan of Charlotte doing her dad's stick. I
1082
00:51:06.599 --> 00:51:09.280
can't think of another second generation star that has cloned
1083
00:51:09.360 --> 00:51:14.440
their parents gimmick for so long in their career. I
1084
00:51:14.519 --> 00:51:16.360
think it's a fair point to make. You kind of
1085
00:51:16.440 --> 00:51:18.559
don't want to, like, look like you're living in the
1086
00:51:18.760 --> 00:51:25.519
shadow of your parent who preceded you. I don't know,
1087
00:51:25.639 --> 00:51:27.559
I hope here, what's your what's your case for against that?
1088
00:51:29.119 --> 00:51:33.920
I think a lot of that was engineered by WW. Ever,
1089
00:51:34.039 --> 00:51:36.440
since her aligance with Bliss, where they kind of gave
1090
00:51:36.519 --> 00:51:40.119
up on manufacturing or and let her be Ashley, she
1091
00:51:40.400 --> 00:51:43.239
has toned a lot of that back. She's gonna do
1092
00:51:43.280 --> 00:51:45.199
the wool because everybody does the wool. Come on, I mean,
1093
00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:47.280
you know, every wrestler would do the wolves. They could
1094
00:51:47.280 --> 00:51:50.199
get away with it. You know, she just has, you know,
1095
00:51:50.480 --> 00:51:53.719
has that connection. There was more of that today because
1096
00:51:53.800 --> 00:51:56.119
they were trying to say this is Flair Country, this
1097
00:51:56.239 --> 00:51:58.760
is you know, you know, so she did the strut
1098
00:51:58.800 --> 00:52:01.280
and stuff like that. But I don't, you know, I'm
1099
00:52:01.360 --> 00:52:04.559
surprised that she did the suck it twice. I had
1100
00:52:04.599 --> 00:52:06.400
to check the corner my thing, because I thought I
1101
00:52:06.480 --> 00:52:10.360
thought that was during the commercial break, but no, that
1102
00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:13.840
was during the actual thing. So one time he didn't
1103
00:52:13.840 --> 00:52:15.639
really catch, but the other time we really caught. So
1104
00:52:17.360 --> 00:52:19.239
I found that interesting and I wonder, what, what what's
1105
00:52:19.320 --> 00:52:22.760
up with that? But uh, I I've really been enjoying
1106
00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:27.440
Charlotte as ever since this thing. She's she's human, she's
1107
00:52:27.639 --> 00:52:31.719
uh more fun. I like the fact that the whole
1108
00:52:31.800 --> 00:52:35.440
blister thing. I found it was funny because she she
1109
00:52:35.559 --> 00:52:38.760
had uh Bliss hit hit a good you know, one
1110
00:52:38.760 --> 00:52:40.440
of her good singers, and she said, oh, you know,
1111
00:52:40.480 --> 00:52:42.639
called her blister, Like, oh, that's cool. Barrett tried to
1112
00:52:42.679 --> 00:52:45.079
make the thing is horrible coming from me. I I
1113
00:52:45.159 --> 00:52:48.800
really enjoyed that part of the whole thing. And then
1114
00:52:48.880 --> 00:52:52.920
the the aftermath of that, the you know, them talking
1115
00:52:52.960 --> 00:52:56.039
to each other and and Uh saying, hey, we we
1116
00:52:56.119 --> 00:52:57.719
need help. We got to do this. And then you know,
1117
00:52:57.920 --> 00:53:01.440
I got this handled, and I like, uh, Charlotte saying,
1118
00:53:03.519 --> 00:53:06.119
what the hell I've I've She's gotten me this far,
1119
00:53:06.800 --> 00:53:09.239
you know, so that she she has she trusts Bliss
1120
00:53:09.599 --> 00:53:12.000
blisses uh in that. So I thought it was a
1121
00:53:12.039 --> 00:53:16.280
good character moment for her too. So those were I've
1122
00:53:16.320 --> 00:53:18.400
really enjoyed the some some a lot of the stuff
1123
00:53:18.400 --> 00:53:21.159
they've done recently. And I've really enjoyed the Women's Tacteam
1124
00:53:21.199 --> 00:53:23.639
division and I've mentioned a few times and the stuff
1125
00:53:23.639 --> 00:53:25.679
they've been doing that for a long time. We have
1126
00:53:25.840 --> 00:53:27.880
we had Nader now because it's not really I'm not
1127
00:53:27.960 --> 00:53:32.679
super excited with Paige and and bre you know, I
1128
00:53:32.760 --> 00:53:35.599
think it slowed a lot of the pieces that it head.
1129
00:53:36.880 --> 00:53:39.519
All right, we haven't heard from Jason D from Australia
1130
00:53:39.519 --> 00:53:41.559
in a while, Yavier, but it's an all star show tonight.
1131
00:53:42.159 --> 00:53:42.280
Uh.
1132
00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:44.559
So we met as a adjacent to the conversation calling
1133
00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:49.360
in uh Jason D. Long long time favorite caller of listeners, welcome,
1134
00:53:49.400 --> 00:53:49.920
good to hear from you.
1135
00:53:51.519 --> 00:53:52.440
Thanks Waddon have here.
1136
00:53:53.079 --> 00:53:55.199
I haven't been able to call up because of work,
1137
00:53:55.320 --> 00:53:58.199
different shifts and all the rest of it. So I've
1138
00:53:58.239 --> 00:54:02.880
been following like the shows like WW but post shows
1139
00:54:02.920 --> 00:54:04.719
and all that, you know, life gets in the way,
1140
00:54:04.760 --> 00:54:08.079
you know what I mean. But I want to talk
1141
00:54:08.159 --> 00:54:12.960
about Sammy Zay's character because I've just I thoroughly enjoyed
1142
00:54:13.000 --> 00:54:16.159
it and I'm hoping I'm not bringing up something that
1143
00:54:16.280 --> 00:54:19.000
someone else has already brought up. But I just think
1144
00:54:19.719 --> 00:54:22.159
I just love this character where he's like he doesn't
1145
00:54:22.239 --> 00:54:24.960
understand what he's done wrong and everyone's still doing him
1146
00:54:25.440 --> 00:54:27.400
and there's just so much There's so many ways you
1147
00:54:27.440 --> 00:54:29.800
can go with that, and I'm not sure if people
1148
00:54:30.079 --> 00:54:32.280
most people get this reference, and I'm sorry if someone
1149
00:54:32.320 --> 00:54:34.079
else has brought this up. I truly believe he is
1150
00:54:34.280 --> 00:54:39.599
channeling the Frank Grimes character from the Simpsons where you
1151
00:54:39.679 --> 00:54:43.639
know Frank Grimes from this where you got Homer Simpson's stupidity,
1152
00:54:43.760 --> 00:54:46.360
and everyone is oblivious to it all they're complicit in it,
1153
00:54:46.880 --> 00:54:48.960
and Sam is the only one that can say, what
1154
00:54:49.119 --> 00:54:50.239
the hell is going on here?
1155
00:54:50.400 --> 00:54:53.239
Like with the Gingerbread Men, everyone was in on it,
1156
00:54:53.880 --> 00:54:54.679
like Homer.
1157
00:54:54.639 --> 00:54:56.960
Just being stupid and being an idiot, but Sam is
1158
00:54:57.000 --> 00:54:59.400
the only one like, what the hell is going on here?
1159
00:55:00.039 --> 00:55:02.440
I just love it and it's making me laugh, and
1160
00:55:02.559 --> 00:55:06.440
I think it's I think he's so entertaining Sammy. I'm
1161
00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:08.559
not even talking about in the ring, just the way
1162
00:55:08.599 --> 00:55:11.039
that he comes across and the way he comes across natural,
1163
00:55:11.440 --> 00:55:13.480
like everything he's saying off the top of his head.
1164
00:55:14.320 --> 00:55:16.440
I'm just really enjoying the character, and I'm interested to
1165
00:55:16.480 --> 00:55:19.440
see where it goes from here because it's obviously look,
1166
00:55:19.480 --> 00:55:21.880
he's obviously probably gonna have a feud with Ray Phoenix
1167
00:55:21.960 --> 00:55:24.320
and other people. I think it's getting other people over,
1168
00:55:24.360 --> 00:55:26.440
and I think it's giving a new lease of life
1169
00:55:26.480 --> 00:55:28.840
to his character, because if he's not going to win
1170
00:55:28.920 --> 00:55:31.360
the world title, there's not many other things that he
1171
00:55:31.519 --> 00:55:31.760
can do.
1172
00:55:32.800 --> 00:55:35.199
So to have this new lease on a character, I'm
1173
00:55:35.239 --> 00:55:36.280
thoroughly enjoying.
1174
00:55:36.000 --> 00:55:41.360
It, Habier, I'm loving Sammy too. It is so well
1175
00:55:41.440 --> 00:55:44.880
thought out. It feels believable because that's kind of it's
1176
00:55:44.920 --> 00:55:47.320
a little bit of an embellishment or exaggeration or amplification
1177
00:55:47.440 --> 00:55:50.679
what Sammy's really like? What are you thinking of it?
1178
00:55:50.760 --> 00:55:53.320
In particular tonight's chapter, but in general, you're not on
1179
00:55:53.400 --> 00:55:54.760
every week with us? What do you think of the story?
1180
00:55:55.440 --> 00:56:00.840
Yeah, I mean, I'm I just love the way that
1181
00:56:00.920 --> 00:56:04.719
they're just telling a straight up or they were obviously
1182
00:56:04.800 --> 00:56:08.159
they've moved on from that. They were telling us straight
1183
00:56:08.239 --> 00:56:12.159
up healed versus baby face straight up with the heel
1184
00:56:12.559 --> 00:56:16.559
mocking and all this stuff on the baby face and
1185
00:56:16.800 --> 00:56:21.000
but it's just the reaction to the crowds was just uh,
1186
00:56:23.559 --> 00:56:27.480
one eighty degrees you know, reversed you know where where?
1187
00:56:28.320 --> 00:56:31.840
So you you actually what makes the Sami roll perfect
1188
00:56:32.079 --> 00:56:37.920
is you understand his frustration. He hasn't done anything wrong,
1189
00:56:39.800 --> 00:56:43.280
you know, and he's like he's in a situations like
1190
00:56:43.400 --> 00:56:45.679
every is everybody gaslighting me?
1191
00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:47.559
You know?
1192
00:56:47.960 --> 00:56:50.559
Am I taking you know? What's what's the meme? Am
1193
00:56:50.599 --> 00:56:52.039
I taking crazy bills?
1194
00:56:52.239 --> 00:56:53.800
And like when the ride and dive fans and ran,
1195
00:56:53.880 --> 00:56:55.039
he goes, well, I know, there's there's a bunch of
1196
00:56:55.079 --> 00:56:57.199
them at home. They're just not here, right, you know.
1197
00:56:57.280 --> 00:56:59.599
It's like he's desperate to make this this what he's
1198
00:56:59.599 --> 00:57:02.639
sure we reality is somehow still a reality.
1199
00:57:02.960 --> 00:57:06.800
It's weird because it's like it feels like us, the fans,
1200
00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:11.760
and like the management is purposely screwing with him and
1201
00:57:11.880 --> 00:57:14.960
gas letting him to turn him so that that part
1202
00:57:15.119 --> 00:57:18.519
is right the square. But it's an enjoyable route. And
1203
00:57:18.679 --> 00:57:21.559
the fact that he found Johnny Gargano and he's the
1204
00:57:22.039 --> 00:57:24.119
that would listen to him because he hasn't no choice
1205
00:57:24.599 --> 00:57:26.679
and he's just you know, just filling his.
1206
00:57:26.760 --> 00:57:29.480
Heart out there that Yeah, I love that the only
1207
00:57:29.519 --> 00:57:31.159
person who will put up with him is Nick All
1208
00:57:31.199 --> 00:57:32.719
this because he's his boss and he just sort of
1209
00:57:32.800 --> 00:57:35.000
has to a little bit. And then Gargana because he's
1210
00:57:35.000 --> 00:57:35.400
passed out.
1211
00:57:35.639 --> 00:57:39.159
Yeah yeah, and you know so, and I almost I
1212
00:57:39.239 --> 00:57:42.480
almost hope that this is what inspires Gargano. And then
1213
00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:44.039
Gargan all of a sudden starts winning and he was
1214
00:57:44.079 --> 00:57:47.079
inspired by Sammy's Ali's drives Simons ay even crazier, you know,
1215
00:57:47.159 --> 00:57:51.320
where he starts finding success while Sammy hasn't you know,
1216
00:57:51.679 --> 00:57:53.559
if they were to go that route. But yeah, I
1217
00:57:53.639 --> 00:57:56.880
mean I've I've I've enjoyed it. I've enjoyed the character.
1218
00:57:57.159 --> 00:58:00.199
You know, Yes, I kind of wish he had had
1219
00:58:00.239 --> 00:58:03.760
a stronger shot at the world title and stuff, you know,
1220
00:58:04.159 --> 00:58:07.480
but if it's not gonna happen, this is a good place.
1221
00:58:08.000 --> 00:58:10.719
And you know, and he's also seen that he's channeling
1222
00:58:10.800 --> 00:58:12.559
Kevin Owens, because Kevin Owens was also great at that
1223
00:58:13.119 --> 00:58:15.039
being the only one that sees reality, like the whole
1224
00:58:15.239 --> 00:58:17.559
story with him and Elias, Like, you know, am I
1225
00:58:17.679 --> 00:58:20.239
the only one that knows that Elias? And is he
1226
00:58:20.320 --> 00:58:25.440
feel the same person? Yeah? You know, so similarly, I guess.
1227
00:58:26.280 --> 00:58:26.480
Yeah.
1228
00:58:26.599 --> 00:58:30.719
So, yeah, Sammy's doing great work and for the reasons
1229
00:58:30.719 --> 00:58:34.039
you laid out there Jason too. In fact, in the chat,
1230
00:58:34.360 --> 00:58:37.119
Paul pedroms uh yeah. Paul Pedrom says Sammy is the
1231
00:58:37.159 --> 00:58:39.679
only three dimensional character on the roster. Not sure if
1232
00:58:39.719 --> 00:58:41.519
that's true or not. I'd have to think through. But
1233
00:58:41.760 --> 00:58:43.440
I get the point, you know, I mean, I get
1234
00:58:43.440 --> 00:58:47.360
I get the spirit of what he's saying. iPhone users,
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But it's just so good and thank you for the
1253
00:59:42.199 --> 00:59:44.760
can words. Derek Mitchell in the check Okay here.
1254
00:59:44.639 --> 00:59:46.639
Well i'll announce it with people know because I didn't
1255
00:59:46.639 --> 00:59:49.559
read out loud. Derek Mitchell, with another super chat says
1256
00:59:49.559 --> 00:59:51.280
welcome back, Jason d I hope all is well with
1257
00:59:51.360 --> 00:59:53.400
you and your family. It's great to hear you once again.
1258
00:59:53.760 --> 00:59:55.039
Have to read the super chats out loud.
1259
00:59:55.840 --> 00:59:59.199
Good man, Derek appreciate that all is good. Yeah, so
1260
00:59:59.199 --> 01:00:01.039
I just send me. I mean, you could see this.
1261
01:00:01.559 --> 01:00:05.440
It's almost like, you know, Trick Williams is this new
1262
01:00:05.880 --> 01:00:08.239
star and people just it's like they just boot Sammy
1263
01:00:08.239 --> 01:00:09.360
because they got bored of him.
1264
01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:11.559
And he's like, but I didn't do nothing wrong.
1265
01:00:11.599 --> 01:00:13.440
It's like this new person's come along, and now you've
1266
01:00:13.480 --> 01:00:15.800
forgotten about me, you know what, about everything that I've
1267
01:00:15.840 --> 01:00:18.400
done in the past. And because when they're talking about
1268
01:00:18.440 --> 01:00:20.360
the entitled thing, he's like, well, wait a minute, I
1269
01:00:20.519 --> 01:00:24.239
have I've got this work behind me. Surely I deserve this.
1270
01:00:25.199 --> 01:00:27.039
And you could tell where he's coming from. I think
1271
01:00:27.079 --> 01:00:29.000
he's having a lot of fun with this character. I
1272
01:00:29.039 --> 01:00:31.079
think he's going all in on it. Like even a
1273
01:00:31.159 --> 01:00:34.159
couple of weeks ago, there's something that I saying that
1274
01:00:34.199 --> 01:00:36.000
I loved. He was walking to the arena and it
1275
01:00:36.079 --> 01:00:38.440
was Las Vegas, and he put his finger on a
1276
01:00:38.519 --> 01:00:41.159
cactus and he sort of went, ooh, that's a bit
1277
01:00:41.199 --> 01:00:43.199
sharper than what I thought, and then he licked his finger,
1278
01:00:43.639 --> 01:00:45.320
you know, and it's just like he's like he's really
1279
01:00:45.440 --> 01:00:48.239
playing into this like annoying person. I think he's just
1280
01:00:48.360 --> 01:00:51.440
having so much fun with it and I'm just laughing
1281
01:00:51.519 --> 01:00:53.280
my head off, Reckon. He's doing such a great job
1282
01:00:54.559 --> 01:00:58.039
getting too where you're talking about weight about codin Goodtha, Yeah,
1283
01:00:58.159 --> 01:00:59.280
one hundred percent agree.
1284
01:01:00.760 --> 01:01:02.119
I'm enjoying this because you've.
1285
01:01:02.000 --> 01:01:05.599
Got the straight up Hill who nobody likes, and you've
1286
01:01:05.599 --> 01:01:08.880
got Cody Raids. The babyface is exactly what he's needed.
1287
01:01:09.159 --> 01:01:12.440
And I liked what I saw tonight because I always
1288
01:01:12.519 --> 01:01:14.679
judge things, and I know if that's the point you're
1289
01:01:14.760 --> 01:01:18.079
trying to raise, have you for me? I don't really
1290
01:01:18.119 --> 01:01:19.960
care if I see the same thing over and over.
1291
01:01:20.480 --> 01:01:23.480
It's more about whatever happens. Is this person going to
1292
01:01:23.519 --> 01:01:25.840
be more over next week? Or is it adding to
1293
01:01:25.880 --> 01:01:28.360
their characters. So I think they've done a great job
1294
01:01:28.480 --> 01:01:30.840
with Royce Key since they've introduced him, since he won
1295
01:01:30.880 --> 01:01:33.960
the Andre the Giant Battle role. Now we know where
1296
01:01:34.000 --> 01:01:37.800
he stands against Solo, who's another dislikable Hill. It's why
1297
01:01:37.840 --> 01:01:40.480
I feel like Solo has been so valuable. He doesn't
1298
01:01:40.519 --> 01:01:43.400
get go away heat. He just gets heat. Nobody likes him,
1299
01:01:43.599 --> 01:01:46.280
but he's done such a great job since he's turned
1300
01:01:46.280 --> 01:01:50.760
against Roman reigns. So you've got Royce Keys now next week,
1301
01:01:50.840 --> 01:01:53.440
we know where he stands. He's a solid baby face.
1302
01:01:53.519 --> 01:01:57.079
He said what he's stood up against. Solo Guntha got
1303
01:01:57.119 --> 01:01:59.599
the victory, so you could say to yourself that Royce
1304
01:01:59.639 --> 01:02:02.880
could have one that if it wasn't for Solo interfering.
1305
01:02:03.039 --> 01:02:04.079
I think I did a great job.
1306
01:02:04.159 --> 01:02:06.039
Like you said, they ticked all the boxes there, and
1307
01:02:06.119 --> 01:02:08.199
that's that's all I'm looking for. So I thought that
1308
01:02:08.320 --> 01:02:09.679
main events served a great purpose.
1309
01:02:14.679 --> 01:02:17.000
I said, Jason, thank you. I appreciate you backing me
1310
01:02:17.079 --> 01:02:19.440
up on that. But yeah, I agree with everything you said,
1311
01:02:19.480 --> 01:02:20.840
but of course you're agree with everything I said. So
1312
01:02:20.920 --> 01:02:24.760
we're just just, you know, dancing in a circle. Yeah,
1313
01:02:24.760 --> 01:02:27.280
And I'm not going to be a count. Yeah you
1314
01:02:27.320 --> 01:02:30.199
know you are. Sometimes sometimes it's it's it's we should
1315
01:02:30.199 --> 01:02:32.320
celebrate it, you know, because sometimes that that had not
1316
01:02:32.440 --> 01:02:35.320
been happening is often earlier this year.
1317
01:02:36.039 --> 01:02:37.920
And you know what, if I would have called up
1318
01:02:37.960 --> 01:02:40.440
gen WrestleMania, we would not be dancing in a circle.
1319
01:02:40.480 --> 01:02:43.079
We might be fighting each other with pitchforks because I
1320
01:02:43.199 --> 01:02:46.280
completely disagreed with everything you're saying regarding Roman and Sea
1321
01:02:46.320 --> 01:02:48.760
and Punk of all the pro I loved all their
1322
01:02:48.840 --> 01:02:51.000
promos leading up to the one where they sort of
1323
01:02:51.079 --> 01:02:52.840
like said, oh, I'm jealous of you and you're jealous
1324
01:02:52.880 --> 01:02:53.039
of me.
1325
01:02:53.119 --> 01:02:54.239
You know, let's have kumbai A.
1326
01:02:54.519 --> 01:02:56.559
I hated that, whereas you guys all love that, so
1327
01:02:57.000 --> 01:02:58.199
maybe maybe it's better off.
1328
01:02:58.239 --> 01:02:59.039
I wasn't calling them.
1329
01:02:59.480 --> 01:03:01.639
I loved those promos. I just thought they were destructive
1330
01:03:01.679 --> 01:03:03.639
to both characters and not the direction w B should
1331
01:03:03.639 --> 01:03:05.719
be going of, a symptomatic of a mindset that is
1332
01:03:06.559 --> 01:03:08.800
leading to, you know, thirty percent drops in attendance and
1333
01:03:08.960 --> 01:03:11.599
damaging both Punk and rains of the process. But as
1334
01:03:11.639 --> 01:03:13.280
I say, it was compelling in the moment. I never
1335
01:03:13.320 --> 01:03:15.159
said they weren't compelling promos. They wrote a cover story
1336
01:03:15.159 --> 01:03:16.599
in the first one's saying this is a great promo.
1337
01:03:17.039 --> 01:03:19.119
But then they kept tearing each other down, tearing each
1338
01:03:19.119 --> 01:03:21.599
other down, and it played into the ooh, we're gonna
1339
01:03:21.639 --> 01:03:26.000
dazzle fans and condescend them or actually patronize them with
1340
01:03:26.360 --> 01:03:30.079
reality that makes everything else not seem important, or you know,
1341
01:03:30.119 --> 01:03:32.119
because it's all fake, but they're gonna say real stuff.
1342
01:03:32.159 --> 01:03:34.800
To each other, not the real damaging stuff. But they're
1343
01:03:34.840 --> 01:03:36.559
not smart to figure out that they're not really shooting
1344
01:03:36.559 --> 01:03:38.079
on each other. They're gonna thin they're shooting on each other,
1345
01:03:38.079 --> 01:03:39.639
even though they're leaving out the three most important things.
1346
01:03:39.760 --> 01:03:41.039
It hit so many of my pet peeves.
1347
01:03:41.679 --> 01:03:44.679
But reason, well, I'll locked it is because it genuinely
1348
01:03:44.760 --> 01:03:47.679
made me belated. I hided one another, well, and that's
1349
01:03:47.719 --> 01:03:50.880
what I want, but they always able to buy into that.
1350
01:03:51.039 --> 01:03:53.480
And I always felt like, and I know what you're saying,
1351
01:03:53.519 --> 01:03:56.119
why But the difference with Ryman and Punk. You know,
1352
01:03:56.239 --> 01:03:58.320
we talk about people having and I won't be gone
1353
01:03:58.320 --> 01:03:59.639
back would see it, but it's a grand a point
1354
01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:03.159
about people having FU money. There's these people have FU
1355
01:04:03.280 --> 01:04:06.519
status with the crowd, so they can rip on each other.
1356
01:04:06.639 --> 01:04:09.800
But the Cmpunk's pops are not going to diminish Romans
1357
01:04:09.880 --> 01:04:12.320
range pops are not going to diminish fans are like,
1358
01:04:12.519 --> 01:04:15.199
we understand you've got the weaknesses that you're bringing up
1359
01:04:15.199 --> 01:04:17.639
to one another, but you've made me believe you genuinely
1360
01:04:17.719 --> 01:04:19.840
hate one another, and now I'm interested in this match.
1361
01:04:20.199 --> 01:04:22.440
I think it's a long boat to draw to say
1362
01:04:22.519 --> 01:04:25.519
that attendance is down it's because people are sort of
1363
01:04:25.559 --> 01:04:28.880
bringing up weak points about one another and people are
1364
01:04:29.000 --> 01:04:31.119
confused about who to cheer for. I just think a
1365
01:04:31.199 --> 01:04:35.440
Tendanses are down because TKO have. The perception is out
1366
01:04:35.480 --> 01:04:38.800
there is that there their prices are too high, and
1367
01:04:38.880 --> 01:04:39.840
people are picked up on that.
1368
01:04:40.039 --> 01:04:44.360
Yeah, for sure, I will say this. My issue isn't
1369
01:04:44.440 --> 01:04:46.679
I mean, I stand for everything I said, but I'm
1370
01:04:46.719 --> 01:04:50.159
saying that what they were going for here was and
1371
01:04:50.320 --> 01:04:52.280
we'll stop because we talked about it. We haven't talked
1372
01:04:52.280 --> 01:04:53.639
about sounds what I'm talking with you. But I don't
1373
01:04:53.639 --> 01:04:55.320
want bard. The listeners are like, thank god we turned
1374
01:04:55.360 --> 01:04:56.800
the page on that, you know, because it was such
1375
01:04:56.840 --> 01:04:58.440
a dominant topic for so long, Hobby. You're sitting here
1376
01:04:58.480 --> 01:05:01.480
screaming and sharging. Can we want as our listeners? But
1377
01:05:01.960 --> 01:05:05.639
my point is that doing that is what you do
1378
01:05:05.760 --> 01:05:10.119
when you haven't told a good story within canon without
1379
01:05:10.320 --> 01:05:15.320
having wrestlers say legitimately damaging things that ring true with
1380
01:05:15.400 --> 01:05:19.119
other people. And Jason, I'm disappointed in you genuinely that
1381
01:05:19.280 --> 01:05:22.679
you like something better in the realm of pro wrestling.
1382
01:05:22.800 --> 01:05:24.960
If you think the two wrestlers who are doing a
1383
01:05:25.039 --> 01:05:27.800
worked feud work and everything out ahead of time, or
1384
01:05:27.880 --> 01:05:30.119
have greenlighted to go go all those places, except you
1385
01:05:30.159 --> 01:05:32.199
got nowhere not to go. But you think they really
1386
01:05:32.239 --> 01:05:33.719
hate each other, and that made you like it more?
1387
01:05:34.239 --> 01:05:36.440
Why why can't you just enjoy a great movie not
1388
01:05:36.559 --> 01:05:38.480
having to think that the lead act, the lead antagonist,
1389
01:05:38.480 --> 01:05:41.559
and protagonists can't stand each other off when the cameras
1390
01:05:41.559 --> 01:05:43.400
are off like that shouldn't make any difference to you,
1391
01:05:43.559 --> 01:05:46.039
And you are part of the problem. If you're saying
1392
01:05:46.079 --> 01:05:48.079
that made me like it better, that I thought they
1393
01:05:48.119 --> 01:05:50.719
really didn't like each other. Why is that even a thing?
1394
01:05:51.159 --> 01:05:53.480
You know, it's not real. You're gonna get worked. You're
1395
01:05:53.559 --> 01:05:57.320
just a mark who's buying some work that may or
1396
01:05:57.360 --> 01:06:00.519
may not be true. And any feud all right, there's
1397
01:06:00.559 --> 01:06:01.079
my rant for you.
1398
01:06:02.000 --> 01:06:03.880
I see, and I've told you now we're not dancing
1399
01:06:03.960 --> 01:06:05.280
with each other anymore. You've left.
1400
01:06:05.320 --> 01:06:07.360
I'm left in the circle. I'm all by myself now.
1401
01:06:07.440 --> 01:06:10.320
No one wants to dance. You've broken my heart now,
1402
01:06:10.440 --> 01:06:12.159
But you're right. We've turned the pitche on that you
1403
01:06:12.320 --> 01:06:15.079
checked the I understand fair enough.
1404
01:06:15.320 --> 01:06:15.880
Oh it felt good.
1405
01:06:15.920 --> 01:06:18.280
Then I got to I'm on an island with saying
1406
01:06:18.320 --> 01:06:22.000
that I love the pat McAfee roasting uh roasting sand
1407
01:06:22.079 --> 01:06:27.079
bond because he hit like all my all my petews, But.
1408
01:06:27.480 --> 01:06:30.440
How are you I I am like privately like yes,
1409
01:06:30.599 --> 01:06:32.119
oh god, yeah, I like some of these.
1410
01:06:32.920 --> 01:06:35.480
I said it myself. That is damaging to the business
1411
01:06:35.920 --> 01:06:39.199
and it's not good. But I still liked you know,
1412
01:06:39.239 --> 01:06:40.960
I not liked it, but I still like it though.
1413
01:06:41.039 --> 01:06:43.840
But I want Tom wunderline we are on this show.
1414
01:06:44.480 --> 01:06:47.599
There are things I like that are not good for
1415
01:06:47.920 --> 01:06:50.239
business or not good for the restaurantvaulve. But in the moment,
1416
01:06:50.920 --> 01:06:53.840
it's like eating a bag of cheetos. Yes, but there's
1417
01:06:53.880 --> 01:06:56.320
a hangover. It's not good for you short term, long term,
1418
01:06:56.599 --> 01:07:01.320
it's not good. This is you're you're complimenting things that
1419
01:07:01.599 --> 01:07:04.480
make you feel satisfied in the moment, but are I
1420
01:07:04.800 --> 01:07:08.079
think we've been around this long because we don't succumb
1421
01:07:08.159 --> 01:07:12.280
to our personal whims while having to disregard whether we
1422
01:07:12.320 --> 01:07:15.320
believe it's what's best for business. Triple Ah and Stephanie
1423
01:07:15.320 --> 01:07:17.880
co opted that from us, Like we've said that for
1424
01:07:17.960 --> 01:07:20.079
decades what's best for business, So it's best for business,
1425
01:07:20.679 --> 01:07:23.239
and that's what we evaluate things on. There are, of
1426
01:07:23.280 --> 01:07:25.000
course things that I enjoy but it's not my job.
1427
01:07:25.039 --> 01:07:26.719
You go, I'm going to disregard everything I learned about
1428
01:07:26.719 --> 01:07:31.280
what's good for pro wrestling and endorse pet McAfee saying,
1429
01:07:31.440 --> 01:07:35.199
do B's shit now because he said mean things about
1430
01:07:35.199 --> 01:07:36.960
seampunk that I agree with because I don't like punk
1431
01:07:37.480 --> 01:07:39.760
like I. Yes, of course there's things that Punk said
1432
01:07:39.760 --> 01:07:42.440
about Roman, Roman said about Punk that McFee said about Punk,
1433
01:07:42.440 --> 01:07:44.079
and I'm like, yeah, those are those are spot on.
1434
01:07:44.440 --> 01:07:46.440
Some of those I might agree with, but that's not
1435
01:07:46.519 --> 01:07:49.039
how we evaluate whether it's good or bad. And that
1436
01:07:49.159 --> 01:07:51.960
was obviously bad. But Javier, you, as I said, I'm
1437
01:07:52.000 --> 01:07:54.119
jumping I but you prefaced it by saying, I know
1438
01:07:54.320 --> 01:07:56.760
it's it's selfish andself and deliance.
1439
01:07:56.760 --> 01:07:58.599
I'll say, I'll say one of my favorite movies is
1440
01:07:58.840 --> 01:08:00.880
Masters of the University One not so me one is
1441
01:08:00.880 --> 01:08:03.119
coming out obviously saying that message is one of my
1442
01:08:03.119 --> 01:08:07.199
favorite movies. It's not a good movie, you know. You know,
1443
01:08:07.239 --> 01:08:09.639
I'll freely admit it's not a good movie. Uh you know,
1444
01:08:09.800 --> 01:08:11.599
but I just loved it. So you know, a lot
1445
01:08:11.639 --> 01:08:13.079
of like it's cheesy as hell and they hit the
1446
01:08:13.119 --> 01:08:15.239
right the right spots, so that that's kind of what
1447
01:08:15.400 --> 01:08:17.279
you know, and I always preface that, I I or
1448
01:08:17.319 --> 01:08:19.640
I try to always preface that when I'm like thinking
1449
01:08:19.720 --> 01:08:22.359
on my you know, whether analytical point of view or
1450
01:08:22.520 --> 01:08:25.560
like it's a personal preference because obviously, you know, I
1451
01:08:25.960 --> 01:08:28.319
respect Punk what he does and stuff. I just don't
1452
01:08:28.800 --> 01:08:32.479
like a lot of stuff about Funks, so you know, obviously,
1453
01:08:32.560 --> 01:08:34.920
and and and sometimes that does bleed over, So I
1454
01:08:34.960 --> 01:08:38.000
always make make that little you know, nugget like, yeah,
1455
01:08:38.039 --> 01:08:39.800
I didn't like what happened here, but just keep in
1456
01:08:39.880 --> 01:08:42.319
mind I don't like the guys, so maybe I'm biased,
1457
01:08:42.399 --> 01:08:45.520
you know. I think that's I think that's kind of
1458
01:08:45.640 --> 01:08:48.600
important for people to in general, when talking about me,
1459
01:08:48.800 --> 01:08:52.000
understand like their bias, their own biases when they're talking,
1460
01:08:52.079 --> 01:08:55.159
because you know, when it's when it bleeds in it,
1461
01:08:55.359 --> 01:08:59.439
it becomes you know, uh more subjective and objective.
1462
01:08:59.800 --> 01:09:01.479
And yeah, I just want to root that out from
1463
01:09:02.439 --> 01:09:06.520
serious analysis and frankly booking and writers like I just
1464
01:09:06.600 --> 01:09:08.119
I want everything to go through the filter of is
1465
01:09:08.199 --> 01:09:09.760
it's best for business rather than will I get a
1466
01:09:09.800 --> 01:09:12.399
kick out of this? And in the moment ephemerally and
1467
01:09:12.479 --> 01:09:14.159
we see a lot of that happening.
1468
01:09:14.319 --> 01:09:16.239
Oh yeah, obviously when it comes to that on that
1469
01:09:16.399 --> 01:09:18.439
level of people are actually producing the content and doing
1470
01:09:18.520 --> 01:09:22.199
the actual writing and stuff. That absolutely something that they
1471
01:09:22.359 --> 01:09:27.119
they that they need to understand the separation of like
1472
01:09:27.359 --> 01:09:29.760
what you're trying to say and what you want to say,
1473
01:09:30.079 --> 01:09:31.840
because sometimes saying what you want to say, you're not
1474
01:09:32.119 --> 01:09:34.880
getting going to get it across, and it becomes a
1475
01:09:34.880 --> 01:09:35.520
whole mess.
1476
01:09:35.800 --> 01:09:38.920
Yep yep cool Jason, go anything else?
1477
01:09:39.720 --> 01:09:41.520
He should maybe should edit all this stuff out. I'm
1478
01:09:41.520 --> 01:09:43.720
sorry that I'll board all that up again. I'm opening
1479
01:09:43.760 --> 01:09:45.720
old wounds. I'm going to go from Dancing with Waite
1480
01:09:45.760 --> 01:09:47.680
to Haavia because I love the old Masters of the
1481
01:09:47.760 --> 01:09:51.520
Universe movie too, even though I shouldn't because Franklin Gela.
1482
01:09:54.239 --> 01:09:57.520
That is just great. I mean, and while we're speaking
1483
01:09:57.520 --> 01:10:01.119
about that, one of my favorite lines today was Barrett said,
1484
01:10:01.199 --> 01:10:03.800
one shall stand, one shall fall. Let me see that
1485
01:10:03.880 --> 01:10:09.479
shows up on camera. Uh the real ones now too
1486
01:10:09.560 --> 01:10:14.479
much reflection transformers of the movie. Uh, I gotta he'll
1487
01:10:14.520 --> 01:10:14.840
fix that.
1488
01:10:14.880 --> 01:10:16.000
And added, no, we want.
1489
01:10:17.920 --> 01:10:22.840
All right, So I won't expand on what I said.
1490
01:10:23.319 --> 01:10:25.439
It's more nuanced, but I'm not going to get into
1491
01:10:25.479 --> 01:10:29.239
it because anyway, Uh, regarding.
1492
01:10:29.079 --> 01:10:30.840
The repeat, that's a horrible movie. Okay, go ahead.
1493
01:10:31.520 --> 01:10:34.079
Yeah, see, but that's that's what that's what opinions. Opinions
1494
01:10:34.119 --> 01:10:38.960
are good in relation to the women's division. Again, backing
1495
01:10:39.000 --> 01:10:41.399
up what you're saying about Cody. Good to see Ria
1496
01:10:41.600 --> 01:10:44.640
just up against dislikable hills. It's why like Jade car Gill,
1497
01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:47.680
she's not out there trying to get people to cheer
1498
01:10:47.720 --> 01:10:50.880
her or whatever, like you know, she's bad. And I
1499
01:10:51.840 --> 01:10:55.079
love the dynamic there, although is it a bit crowded
1500
01:10:55.159 --> 01:11:00.199
having one heel group with Jade and her crew and
1501
01:11:00.319 --> 01:11:03.520
then Vital Influence. So I'm gonna be interested to see
1502
01:11:03.560 --> 01:11:07.479
how they play out that dynamic with two female heel groups,
1503
01:11:07.479 --> 01:11:09.680
you know, three in each group on the same brand,
1504
01:11:09.720 --> 01:11:11.159
if they don't get in each other's way, how they
1505
01:11:11.159 --> 01:11:11.880
play off one another.
1506
01:11:11.880 --> 01:11:12.720
I'm interested to say that.
1507
01:11:13.560 --> 01:11:15.119
Yeah, howby what do you think of that?
1508
01:11:16.439 --> 01:11:18.000
The event you will probably have to change the name
1509
01:11:18.000 --> 01:11:23.199
to a W So yeah, I mean it's intriguing when
1510
01:11:23.199 --> 01:11:25.000
you have groups like that and you have different ways
1511
01:11:25.039 --> 01:11:26.960
you could do, different permutations you could you can put
1512
01:11:26.960 --> 01:11:29.800
them together. The thing is that I don't know the
1513
01:11:29.920 --> 01:11:33.000
other two well, I don't really know if influence in general,
1514
01:11:33.079 --> 01:11:35.279
but the other two kind of seem that they might
1515
01:11:35.359 --> 01:11:39.279
fall into hanger on category, while Jage Group they're definitely
1516
01:11:39.319 --> 01:11:41.960
hangers on b fab and meets and the you know,
1517
01:11:42.520 --> 01:11:45.039
hopefully this does something for them. And I was slightly
1518
01:11:45.119 --> 01:11:47.039
more interested in what they were doing, you know, from
1519
01:11:47.079 --> 01:11:51.000
what you know, from where they had been and and
1520
01:11:51.159 --> 01:11:53.239
and I think that I think they might have drawn
1521
01:11:53.319 --> 01:11:59.039
some blood during the UH during the UH the pro
1522
01:11:59.239 --> 01:12:02.319
you know, the promo that had before the actual match started. Yeah,
1523
01:12:02.359 --> 01:12:06.239
that's when when when Charlotte said called the blister blister
1524
01:12:07.319 --> 01:12:11.000
after it took a shot at the at Jade's hangers
1525
01:12:11.079 --> 01:12:16.359
hangers on. So yeah, I mean, well we'll see. I mean,
1526
01:12:17.039 --> 01:12:20.159
when you have like more opportunities, just exciting.
1527
01:12:20.279 --> 01:12:25.399
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1541
01:12:57.159 --> 01:13:00.640
And with just speaking of the women's obviously the towards
1542
01:13:00.720 --> 01:13:04.600
some type of like inconvenient Well, Chelsea wants to be
1543
01:13:04.680 --> 01:13:05.640
partners with Tiffany.
1544
01:13:05.960 --> 01:13:07.399
I think eventually the story they.
1545
01:13:07.439 --> 01:13:10.239
Tell is that Tiffany will end up tag teaming with Chelsea,
1546
01:13:10.920 --> 01:13:13.119
and much like it's been brought up before, I'm dying
1547
01:13:13.199 --> 01:13:15.199
to see Tiffany go back to being a Hill.
1548
01:13:16.039 --> 01:13:17.039
I would love to see that.
1549
01:13:17.439 --> 01:13:20.920
And I'm really looking and like you touched on Javier
1550
01:13:21.720 --> 01:13:25.079
and Wade and others, I've enjoyed the baby face turn
1551
01:13:25.119 --> 01:13:28.000
of Charlotte and teaming with Alexa and when she tones
1552
01:13:28.079 --> 01:13:31.680
down the queen thing, she turns down being re referencing
1553
01:13:31.720 --> 01:13:34.479
a flair and just sort of being more Ashley. Yes,
1554
01:13:35.079 --> 01:13:37.439
this is a few that I would be looking forward to,
1555
01:13:37.880 --> 01:13:41.359
is going back to Tiffany and Charlotte. But Tiffany has
1556
01:13:41.439 --> 01:13:45.880
the heel and getting over confident and just you know,
1557
01:13:46.000 --> 01:13:48.000
you can play into what she said about how she's
1558
01:13:48.079 --> 01:13:50.560
only using wwwheet. She doesn't feel like she's going to
1559
01:13:50.600 --> 01:13:53.279
be there. She'll probably you know, leave in a few
1560
01:13:53.359 --> 01:13:56.079
years time, wants to go to Hollywood. I would love
1561
01:13:56.119 --> 01:13:59.000
to see like a Hollywood style of Hill and Tiffany
1562
01:13:59.399 --> 01:14:02.479
up against a baby face Charlotte and go back and
1563
01:14:02.560 --> 01:14:04.840
touch on those sort of things and get some real
1564
01:14:05.680 --> 01:14:07.760
fire there, because it was a bit messy when they
1565
01:14:07.800 --> 01:14:10.399
did it at WrestleMania last year. But with Charlotte as
1566
01:14:10.399 --> 01:14:14.000
a defined babyface and Tiffany playing up until that Hill persona,
1567
01:14:14.279 --> 01:14:15.840
Now that's the feud I'm looking forward to.
1568
01:14:15.920 --> 01:14:18.600
I think there's a lot of good television there.
1569
01:14:19.920 --> 01:14:21.560
Derek, so thank you, Jason d I think we will
1570
01:14:21.600 --> 01:14:25.399
get Tiffany and Chelsea as an unlikely duel or are
1571
01:14:25.479 --> 01:14:27.239
unlikely to be a duel. I guess there's a missing
1572
01:14:27.239 --> 01:14:28.600
word in there. I could be misinterpreting it.
1573
01:14:29.439 --> 01:14:32.840
Unless you know Tiffany, I mean Chelsea, this could be
1574
01:14:32.920 --> 01:14:35.199
the start of her baby face turn. I think now
1575
01:14:35.199 --> 01:14:37.640
if Tiffany, you know, she could do something really brutal
1576
01:14:37.680 --> 01:14:40.560
against Chelsea to officially turn her as a heel. And
1577
01:14:40.640 --> 01:14:42.520
then I mean I'm not trying to fantasy book give
1578
01:14:42.680 --> 01:14:44.640
I'm trying to say, like we're I think people are
1579
01:14:44.680 --> 01:14:46.680
best suited, but with Charlotte.
1580
01:14:47.640 --> 01:14:49.239
You're totally fair to go. I think this is where
1581
01:14:49.239 --> 01:14:50.399
it's going. That's that fantasy booking.
1582
01:14:50.880 --> 01:14:52.800
Yeah, and I think that's the story that they're going
1583
01:14:52.880 --> 01:14:54.560
to tell if we can get Tiffany as a heel,
1584
01:14:55.239 --> 01:14:57.800
being as a Charlotte as a babyface and play upon
1585
01:14:58.079 --> 01:14:59.079
the fear the day before.
1586
01:14:59.279 --> 01:14:59.920
I think that may.
1587
01:15:02.560 --> 01:15:06.640
Tiffany was as bad at acting as it gets in
1588
01:15:06.720 --> 01:15:09.960
the segment tonight and might have been her worst acting.
1589
01:15:10.079 --> 01:15:12.880
The material a bit of a challenge, but Chelsea came
1590
01:15:12.920 --> 01:15:16.039
in and made it work, and tiff like Tiffany reacted
1591
01:15:16.079 --> 01:15:19.159
to something Chelsea said a second before she actually said it, like,
1592
01:15:19.960 --> 01:15:23.920
I mean, it's just it's just rough and she can't
1593
01:15:24.000 --> 01:15:27.880
be a babyface as this just as as an actor
1594
01:15:28.199 --> 01:15:32.000
this bad and her character is just obviously he'll go
1595
01:15:32.000 --> 01:15:32.479
ahead of here.
1596
01:15:32.760 --> 01:15:34.680
I don't know it was because he might be picking
1597
01:15:34.720 --> 01:15:38.800
something else up with Chelsea. She reacted to the interruption
1598
01:15:39.640 --> 01:15:42.640
of jac jan and kan and uh sorry, Julia and
1599
01:15:42.760 --> 01:15:47.279
And and Kana James arguing in the background. She reacted
1600
01:15:47.359 --> 01:15:50.720
to their argument you know before they actually you know,
1601
01:15:50.840 --> 01:15:51.760
made any noise and came on.
1602
01:15:51.840 --> 01:15:56.239
Oh god, yeah, no, I was Tiffany reacted to something
1603
01:15:56.359 --> 01:16:00.600
Chelsea said. Tiffany had a reaction that made sense to
1604
01:16:00.720 --> 01:16:03.880
react that way, anticipating what Chelsea said. But Chelsea unsteady.
1605
01:16:03.920 --> 01:16:06.159
I feel whys Tefhanie reacting? Oh Chelsea just said it
1606
01:16:06.239 --> 01:16:08.439
now and so she knew it was coming, so she
1607
01:16:08.520 --> 01:16:16.319
did it twice in one secment. Yep, yeap. Unbelievable, Well believable. Yeah, yeah,
1608
01:16:16.359 --> 01:16:19.039
But I think Chelsea as a babyface in Tiffany as
1609
01:16:19.039 --> 01:16:22.479
a heel as in a result, is a satisfying landing
1610
01:16:22.520 --> 01:16:26.880
place for this? Yeah, geez anything else?
1611
01:16:28.359 --> 01:16:30.079
No, not really, I just want to get your overall
1612
01:16:30.119 --> 01:16:32.800
opinion on you. I read some people's comments, so I
1613
01:16:32.880 --> 01:16:35.800
feel like w w WA is in a bit of
1614
01:16:35.920 --> 01:16:37.039
like a creative lull.
1615
01:16:37.760 --> 01:16:37.920
Now.
1616
01:16:39.119 --> 01:16:41.520
Is this because you feel like a SmackDown is three
1617
01:16:41.600 --> 01:16:44.479
hours or you know, coming out of WrestleMania, Like maybe
1618
01:16:44.560 --> 01:16:46.640
people are comparing to what was happening a couple of
1619
01:16:46.720 --> 01:16:50.000
years ago with the story with Cody and the tribal
1620
01:16:50.119 --> 01:16:53.000
chief and all the rest of it. For me, I'm
1621
01:16:53.159 --> 01:16:57.159
enjoying for the most part. Look, when I watch, you know,
1622
01:16:57.479 --> 01:17:00.479
I'm not as critical, I guess. I will try and
1623
01:17:00.560 --> 01:17:02.520
make things stick in my mind and try and like
1624
01:17:02.720 --> 01:17:04.199
work it out in my mind. Maybe I'm a bit
1625
01:17:04.279 --> 01:17:06.720
more lenient in that way, I guess. But for the
1626
01:17:06.800 --> 01:17:09.039
most part, you know, I can enjoy it. I like
1627
01:17:09.159 --> 01:17:12.520
what they're doing with Jacob, trying to building him back
1628
01:17:12.600 --> 01:17:16.119
up as a more dangerous type of opponent. And you know,
1629
01:17:16.359 --> 01:17:18.479
as far as as long as the main events scene
1630
01:17:18.680 --> 01:17:23.000
is moving along nicely, like I'm happy with things. What
1631
01:17:23.119 --> 01:17:25.359
are your guys overall opinion on that, because you just
1632
01:17:25.439 --> 01:17:27.920
you read it, like I said, just antecdotal people are
1633
01:17:28.000 --> 01:17:30.439
it's no good, It's whatever. I know, social media people
1634
01:17:30.560 --> 01:17:32.560
just sound off on whatever. But how do you feel
1635
01:17:32.600 --> 01:17:35.319
about the overall direction and your overall excitement?
1636
01:17:36.319 --> 01:17:44.199
Have you? They're they're reloading season, so I think that
1637
01:17:44.359 --> 01:17:46.039
for the last couple of years it does it does
1638
01:17:46.119 --> 01:17:48.560
feel like a lull, But like right now with all
1639
01:17:48.600 --> 01:17:52.960
the collups, you know, with a fami, IM I'm interested
1640
01:17:53.000 --> 01:17:56.199
with ober family. That's why I'm being critical about or
1641
01:17:56.439 --> 01:18:00.960
was critical about the again just a liking it the
1642
01:18:01.000 --> 01:18:03.039
way they did it. I was critical about the goother
1643
01:18:03.279 --> 01:18:08.520
and and the Powerhouse Hobbs Rice Keys thing was because
1644
01:18:09.079 --> 01:18:11.680
I'm like, oh, here's and not that goother is like
1645
01:18:11.720 --> 01:18:13.760
a real old guard because he's not like been, He's
1646
01:18:13.800 --> 01:18:15.800
not like the miss has been there forever, but like
1647
01:18:15.960 --> 01:18:18.640
the old guard versus this guy was coming in and
1648
01:18:19.000 --> 01:18:21.399
knocking on the door, and that to me, I'm like wow,
1649
01:18:21.479 --> 01:18:24.199
the thinking about like how how that type of story
1650
01:18:24.359 --> 01:18:26.439
like evolves and stuff, and then we'd go into the
1651
01:18:26.560 --> 01:18:29.079
road way that they do stuff. So that was more
1652
01:18:29.119 --> 01:18:31.800
of the reason why I was like more upset and upset,
1653
01:18:31.840 --> 01:18:33.840
but you know, it was more because now now I'm thinking, like,
1654
01:18:33.880 --> 01:18:36.239
you know, what happens when Royce Keys crosses path with
1655
01:18:36.319 --> 01:18:40.399
oba family. That's gonna be awesome. The I really liked
1656
01:18:40.520 --> 01:18:45.960
the interaction between Saints and criminlal Hayes because carminl hays
1657
01:18:45.960 --> 01:18:47.760
talked about when I came here, I was all coffee
1658
01:18:47.760 --> 01:18:50.399
and stuff, and then I quickly realized, you know, he
1659
01:18:50.560 --> 01:18:53.720
was beaten in me that that that you know, things
1660
01:18:53.760 --> 01:18:56.399
are different here. And then like when when I love
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01:18:56.479 --> 01:18:58.960
the line when Saints walks away and he says it's
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01:18:59.000 --> 01:19:01.079
like looking like it's like looking into a dirty mirror.
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01:19:01.800 --> 01:19:04.000
Uh So because he saw he's not himself. I'm like,
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01:19:04.079 --> 01:19:06.239
oh that that that's great. That shows the character growth
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01:19:06.239 --> 01:19:11.560
of of of of fromel Hayes and uh uh if
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01:19:11.600 --> 01:19:12.760
it weren't for the fact that he looks like he's
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01:19:12.760 --> 01:19:16.880
fifteen years old. To me, uh you know, I'm like,
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01:19:17.199 --> 01:19:19.680
you know, I I so he kind of seems he's
1669
01:19:20.039 --> 01:19:21.880
meaning that he kind of seems young and inexperienced. Like
1670
01:19:21.960 --> 01:19:25.560
although I know he's got he could do stuff. I'm like,
1671
01:19:25.840 --> 01:19:29.159
you know, he he's someone who like in a couple
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01:19:29.199 --> 01:19:31.319
of years, you know, like like two or three years
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01:19:31.359 --> 01:19:34.239
should be like fighting for the top stuff. I get
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01:19:34.319 --> 01:19:38.319
what people saw in him in uh in nxt Uh.
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01:19:38.439 --> 01:19:40.399
Same thing with Trick. You know, I'm excited with Trick.
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01:19:40.439 --> 01:19:43.079
I mean his his in ring scale stuff, but that's
1677
01:19:43.159 --> 01:19:47.159
not everything that that you need. He's just got a
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01:19:47.239 --> 01:19:52.159
great personality. The women, Uh, the women have been that
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01:19:52.279 --> 01:19:54.239
that there were they're basically two call ups.
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01:19:54.640 --> 01:19:56.039
And so like the.
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01:19:57.960 --> 01:20:05.079
Uh bird girl while I'm here, uh lyra Valcaria, she's
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01:20:05.199 --> 01:20:08.119
she's she's been interesting. The A lot of the women
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01:20:08.159 --> 01:20:09.880
have come up, and I think that that's why I've
1684
01:20:09.960 --> 01:20:12.279
liked the tag team divisions, because they're there pairing up
1685
01:20:12.439 --> 01:20:15.680
women that to cover for each other's flaws. So a
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01:20:15.760 --> 01:20:17.680
lot of the women that that you're seeing on TV
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01:20:18.119 --> 01:20:20.920
or are you know, the teams are better than some
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01:20:21.000 --> 01:20:24.520
of of of of their parts. I love the Jacks
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01:20:24.880 --> 01:20:28.199
Lash Legend team team. I think they all work together
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01:20:28.399 --> 01:20:30.439
and and that's the thing I think that they're building.
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01:20:30.880 --> 01:20:33.800
This is like a rebuilding season and in football, so
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01:20:34.199 --> 01:20:37.119
it's you know, it's it's what it feels like. So
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01:20:37.279 --> 01:20:39.600
I'm excited for what's coming up. I'm fine taking a
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01:20:39.640 --> 01:20:42.560
bunch of l's right now because you know, you're getting
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01:20:42.600 --> 01:20:44.520
people with experience, You're getting people you know, you're you're
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01:20:44.520 --> 01:20:46.600
you're creating what's going to be your main events for
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01:20:46.760 --> 01:20:50.079
the future. Uh So that that's that's so I am
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01:20:50.239 --> 01:20:51.880
looking for excited, looking forward to it.
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01:20:52.279 --> 01:20:54.239
Some of the most exciting parts of being an NFL
1700
01:20:54.319 --> 01:20:56.800
fan is all the talk shows and the weeks leading
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01:20:56.920 --> 01:20:59.479
up to the kickoff because your zero story, you haven't
1702
01:20:59.520 --> 01:21:03.479
lost yet, and you know, when the season gets going
1703
01:21:03.520 --> 01:21:04.960
sometimes it can be a letdown compared to all the
1704
01:21:05.000 --> 01:21:07.359
off season drafts. You know, all the speculation of the draft,
1705
01:21:07.399 --> 01:21:09.119
who's going to get cut, who's going to be the
1706
01:21:09.159 --> 01:21:11.520
star quarterback? But I mean there are different chapters to
1707
01:21:11.640 --> 01:21:16.239
being a fan of anything in cycles, and you know
1708
01:21:16.359 --> 01:21:19.239
we're in a different cycle. But I'm I'm I look
1709
01:21:19.319 --> 01:21:21.600
forward to this phase. But I don't think it's been
1710
01:21:21.680 --> 01:21:26.039
going on long enough. I think the fat two angle,
1711
01:21:27.000 --> 01:21:28.479
like I said in the weeks seaking out to backlash,
1712
01:21:28.479 --> 01:21:31.159
I don't like the kind of murky ambiguity of how
1713
01:21:31.159 --> 01:21:32.760
we're supposed feel bout fat too. But I think it's
1714
01:21:32.920 --> 01:21:34.640
just they don't want to show that hand because we
1715
01:21:34.680 --> 01:21:37.199
have to wait to left your backlash. But it's a continue.
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01:21:37.199 --> 01:21:38.520
It's why I say save it for when you really
1717
01:21:38.600 --> 01:21:39.840
need it, don't just do it as sort of a
1718
01:21:40.279 --> 01:21:43.199
hot shot to make up for lousey booking elsewhere, lack
1719
01:21:43.199 --> 01:21:46.279
of discipline elsewhere. But I'm I'm happy with this season
1720
01:21:46.359 --> 01:21:48.319
right now. And I mean, I let's give it a
1721
01:21:48.359 --> 01:21:50.000
few more weeks. I think, you know, to kind of
1722
01:21:50.000 --> 01:21:52.039
get through Sentu's made event in Clash in Italy. I
1723
01:21:52.039 --> 01:21:53.439
think we'll have a real good sense of how summer
1724
01:21:53.520 --> 01:21:56.199
is being set up. Now, Oh, Jase, anything else quick,
1725
01:21:56.199 --> 01:21:57.520
because I got I got to run pretty quick here,
1726
01:21:58.000 --> 01:21:58.279
all right?
1727
01:21:58.319 --> 01:21:59.479
Probably no I's told you to again.
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01:21:59.520 --> 01:22:02.479
Why talking to you, Javier, And thank you very much
1729
01:22:02.520 --> 01:22:05.159
for the calm worst in the chat and yep, tight care.
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01:22:05.560 --> 01:22:08.520
Thanks Jason, call Caain soon please if you can. All right,
1731
01:22:08.800 --> 01:22:10.079
how do you hear anything else you want to bring
1732
01:22:10.159 --> 01:22:11.239
up before we sign off today?
1733
01:22:11.840 --> 01:22:14.079
Uh? No, I think we covered everything. I had a
1734
01:22:14.119 --> 01:22:18.119
whole ted talk about the whole uh Jago fattoo and
1735
01:22:19.640 --> 01:22:22.319
Roman Raine say uh and he over his babyface stuff.
1736
01:22:22.600 --> 01:22:23.159
I'll save that for.
1737
01:22:23.239 --> 01:22:25.600
Later, okay, all right, Yeah, we'll make a point to
1738
01:22:26.279 --> 01:22:28.079
talk about it. I want to get your take on it.
1739
01:22:28.239 --> 01:22:32.800
You know, I'm trying to think there's anything else anything backstage,
1740
01:22:33.039 --> 01:22:36.159
but I think through Jason and I.
1741
01:22:36.199 --> 01:22:37.960
Found it funny that you you had forgotten the Tiffy
1742
01:22:38.039 --> 01:22:40.000
because we were talking about the women's segment. You have
1743
01:22:40.079 --> 01:22:42.119
also forgotten the Tiffany when I'm like, well, it's Tiffany,
1744
01:22:42.159 --> 01:22:43.279
so that's my way to ignore it.
1745
01:22:43.960 --> 01:22:44.119
Yeah.
1746
01:22:44.239 --> 01:22:46.760
Actually, as I was scrolling through my report, I was like,
1747
01:22:46.880 --> 01:22:48.880
I had that highlighted before Jason brought it up, Like
1748
01:22:48.920 --> 01:22:53.359
we need to talk about that. But yeah, it would
1749
01:22:53.359 --> 01:22:55.039
have felt bad to not be able to bury how.
1750
01:22:55.000 --> 01:22:55.439
Bad that was.
1751
01:22:55.760 --> 01:22:57.479
I don't know if you would count this, but there
1752
01:22:57.560 --> 01:22:58.720
was also the Monroe.
1753
01:22:59.640 --> 01:23:01.800
Yeah, there's some comment of the chat on that. Yeah,
1754
01:23:02.439 --> 01:23:05.079
that's more the same for the most part. Yeah, we'll
1755
01:23:05.079 --> 01:23:09.359
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