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This episode opens with a quick riff on guaranteed income for artists and the ripple effect of arts in our communities, then pivots into the heart of the conversation: your future self. Jamie and Max unpack research suggesting the brain treats future-you like a different person—and how that insight can help us make kinder, wiser choices right now.
You’ll hear practical stories (the “do the dishes for morning-you” test), simple money and wellness moves that compound over time, and creative tools—vision boards, personalized visualizations, and even writing a letter from your future self—that make tomorrow feel tangible today. They reflect on redefining success beyond titles, preparing emotionally for life’s inevitable changes, and why curiosity and kindness are essential companions at every age.
Resources Mentioned in This Episode Atomic Habits by James Clear
A bestselling guide to building better habits and breaking bad ones—one small step at a time. Jamie references Clear’s idea that “what you do today is for your future self.” (jamesclear.com/atomic-habits)
The Mindset Mentor Podcast by Rob Dial
Max mentions Rob Dial’s advice to “do the hard things now so the future will be easier.” The podcast explores motivation, self-discipline, and personal growth. (robdial.com/podcast)
Ali and Callie Artcast
Featured mid-episode, this podcast celebrates art and culture across the Pacific Northwest. Hosted by Ali and Callie, it’s dedicated to keeping art alive and culture relevant. (alicallieartcast.com)
Guaranteed Income for Artists — Ireland
Jamie shares how Ireland has implemented a basic income program for artists, helping creatives thrive and strengthening cultural communities. jamielgreen.com/podcast
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Welcome to Thrive, Learn, Connect, the podcast where we talk about ways to find
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Hey, Jamie.
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Hey, Max.
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What's on your mind?
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Guaranteed income for artists.
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Guaranteed income for artists?
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Yes.
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That's kind of cool.
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So, Ireland just passed a guaranteed income for artists.
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Yeah.
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Because, as you know, as an artist yourself, income can fluctuate so greatly.
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Absolutely.
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And yet the contribution that you're making to society is considerable.
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I think so, yeah.
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And Ireland did this big study where they realized that they actually get a three-fold return.
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Sure, that makes sense. Yeah.
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So by guaranteeing income for artists of all types, that what it does is it
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helps to promote artistry and creativity within society.
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It also helps people understand that what they are contributing is of value.
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And so I just thought that that was an interesting idea.
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So anyone out there listening who wants to support artists.
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I think it's a great idea. Well,
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you know, it's really interesting because there are studies that show that when
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arts are in a community, how much that brings to the community, not just enrichment.
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I mean, we think about enriching our lives through art and culture,
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but beyond that, the dollars that it brings in.
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You think about the Spokane Symphony here in town, which is a great symphony.
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Not only do they put on great concerts, but when people come in to see a concert,
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they're going to dinner, they're parking, they're maybe having drinks after,
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They're spending money in that community. Absolutely.
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And so the idea of, absolutely, it pays in some cases threefold.
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I think there are some pretty good statistics in the...
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In some of our government enterprises that tell you exactly how much it brings to a community.
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So, yeah, I think, you know, spending some of that money, continuing to foster,
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number one, that what I call the developing artist, the emerging artist and
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the established artist.
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Because by the time, hopefully by the time you become an established artist,
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maybe that guaranteed income isn't so much needed you've established.
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But when you're a developing artist, putting in, you know, what do they say,
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10,000 hours to become an expert at something,
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you know, it's a lot easier or at least it's a lot more effective putting those
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10,000 hours in in a concentrated amount of time rather than trying to pick
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away two or three hours while you're waiting tables, which I've done,
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you know, the number of different jobs I've had in order to foster my artistry.
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And so this gives the opportunity for people who feel that calling,
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right, to be able to go home.
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And explore the arts and do that. I think that's an incredible idea.
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I think it's an incredible idea. And I like the idea of placing value on those
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who contribute through art. Right. I really do.
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And you see it in pretty much every community, the beautiful public art that we have.
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Yes. Oh, we're so lucky.
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We are, yeah.
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Yeah. We live in a, you know, whether it's Coeur d'Alene, Spokane, the whole area.
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Yeah. We really are very fortunate in our public art.
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And you and I both know many of the public artists.
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Well, I think about Harold Blaise. I mean, oh my gosh, just what he contributed
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to our community is just phenomenal.
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So, yeah, having an opportunity to help support our artists in their pursuit
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of creativity and innovation. I love it.
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I love it.
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Thank you, Ireland. Sláinte.
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Yeah, exactly. That's great.
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I'm Ali. And I'm Callie. And whatever you do today, make sure it's creative.
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So, Jamie, what are we talking about today?
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Your future self.
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Whoa. I know. That's so back to the future. I love it.
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So, I was thinking— You're Doc, and I'm Marty McFly. Exactly.
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How's that? I love that. I like that.
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I can be Doc so easily. You know,
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one of the things that I—we talk about so much on the show, of course,
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is thriving and how to make your life richer and fuller and more joyful. and all of that.
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And the thing is, is your future self is the person that you are always becoming.
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Right? Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And I read this study that I found kind of fascinating, and that is that the
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brain treats your future self like a separate entity.
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Okay. So it thinks of you as someone else for your future.
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Right? Sure, sure, sure.
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And that's why things like visualization and all and picturing your future can
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be so helpful because you're actually rewiring your brain to achieve those results.
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Yeah, I always think about that. I call it the famous interview question.
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Where do you see yourself in five years? And that's that future self.
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And unless you have, unless you've thought about it with intention,
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that can be a very hard question to answer.
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It can be. It can be. And I also think that...
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We fail too often to understand that we need to create a relationship with our future self.
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Sure, yeah.
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And that when we do that, when we think of this separate entity as,
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well, how can I have this thriving connection with this other me,
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this other me?
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And I know that it came into play for me in a very specific way when I read this.
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And I'm trying to think, oh, shoot, Max, I'm going to blank out on his name,
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the author of Atomic Habits.
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Oh, yeah.
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Okay, so you all know who I'm talking about. So I was reading in one of his
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newsletters about this idea of what you do today is for your future self.
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Sure, yeah.
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So the habits that you create, the financial habits of saving some money,
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you're not saving it for you in the now.
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You're saving it for you in the future.
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You exercise now for you in the future, right? For the benefit of the future.
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But one of the ways, one of the things that clicked with me was little things
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that we do. And for me, it was doing the dishes.
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Sure, yeah, yeah.
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Do not like doing dishes.
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Oh, my gosh.
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I really don't. And sometimes at night, the dishes would just be sitting there in the kitchen. Sure.
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And it's like, I don't want to. The me right now doesn't want to.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But then I said, but wait a minute, but the future me, the me in the morning,
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would really like coming out to a clean kitchen.
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Sure, yeah, yeah.
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So in developing a lovely relationship with my future self, now I do the dishes.
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There you go. Not for the now,
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But for the future me.
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Sure, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. I look at it as, I thought about it in terms
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of, there's another podcast I listened to by a guy named Rob Dial,
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And he says a lot of times,
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we do the hard things now, so in the future it will be easy. Exactly.
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And so you doing the dishes the night before is making it easy for the future.
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And I think we do that pretty regularly, you know, or we strive to do that, you know.
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And maybe we don't think about that in those terms, but, you know,
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you brought up financial, right?
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Yeah. Making sure, you know, I'm going to save 10% of my earnings, right?
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And so that your future self using the wonders of compound interest,
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right, will make sure in 10, 15, 30 years down the road, make it easier for you.
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And so, yeah, I think about that in terms all the time, you know,
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hoping, you know, I also look at my past self as a separate entity.
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Oh, yes, absolutely.
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You kind of look at it and go, what were you thinking?
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All the time. All the time. I'm thinking that, yes.
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So you wish, you know, if I had known, if I had known now, if I had known now what—
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If I had known then.
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What I know now. Yeah, that's how it goes. Yeah. You know, we're always thinking
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about that, going, oh. Yep.
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And wouldn't it be nice to have the wisdom—
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20, 30, 40 years ago to go, oh, you know, to, to go, okay, this is where you're
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going to be. Oh, I could have done this a little different.
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Absolutely. And yet there's also, of course, that thing of, well,
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the way you did it, you learned the lessons you needed to learn or learn things
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you might not have learned otherwise.
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Right. I mean, there's, so I don't want anybody to be bashing themselves or be hard.
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Because then you don't fail and in failure, you learn the best lessons
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Exactly exactly and and the opera
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you know we've talked about this in a prior episode
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which is having that experimental mindset right
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so well i think that it's important for us to develop good relationships with
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our future and our past selves as well as our current self i also think that
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the idea of curiosity definitely plays into this. That thing of...
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Well, what if I did this now? How will that benefit me in the future?
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Or if I don't do it, what consequences might that pay?
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But having some curiosity about it rather than trying to think that I have to
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be certain and sure. Because we can't be.
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No, no, no. There are going to be twists and turns in your chapters of life.
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That's the way I look at it. And I think if I were, you know,
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one of the things I would tell myself, my past self, my younger self,
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is that embrace those chapters.
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Don't be afraid of the chapters because they, you know, because in any good
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book, there are really exciting chapters that bring joy. And there are chapters
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that bring tragedy and sadness.
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Absolutely.
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And through that chapter, you'll get moved on to another one.
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Well, and I think that's another key for people is don't keep rereading the chapter you're on.
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You know, end it so you can move on to the new chapter, right?
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And don't be like me and try to read the ending first. I'm just saying.
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It is this lovely idea of, you know,
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Instead of saying, someday I'll be there, someday I'll be there,
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someday I will have plenty of money in the bank, someday I will be more fit,
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someday I will meet the right person or have the right job or whatever that
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fill in the blank is, right?
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Instead of thinking that way, say, all right, who do I want to be in the future?
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And what can I do now that moves me toward that, no matter how small?
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And it's like, well, this is the person I want to become.
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So what decisions can I make now that benefit that person? Yeah.
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I think one of the things I would tell myself is build vision boards.
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Oh, yes.
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That's, you know, of the future or, you know, the now and the future.
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Yeah. Because vision boards are what could my life look like? What will it look like?
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And so to be able to do that and to look beyond the five years, you know.
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Oh, yes. What will your life look like in 20 years, in 30 years?
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And so I'm smiling because in my office, I have a vision board that I made a number of years ago.
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And do you know what's on there, everybody?
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Podcasting. Podcasting. Oh, that's awesome. That's awesome.
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And it's one of the things I put on there is it says, love your job.
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And it's like, yeah, the person I want to be is somebody who loves what I'm doing. Yeah, yeah.
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And is creative and talks a lot. Yes.
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But I do believe in that. And of course, because part of what I do for clients
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and others is I create custom visualizations for people.
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I record them and offer to them the ability to sit and see themselves in the future.
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And I know they work for me. I know that being able to just walk and talk myself
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through a future addition has helped plant those seeds in my brain.
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Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, I think having that type of feedback,
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you know, and being able to give yourself that feedback,
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and I think is an amazing way to just reinforce where you want to go and where you want to be.
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And I think, you know, if you're not into visualization and that kind of thing,
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write a letter to yourself. Yeah.
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Write a letter to yourself now from your future self. Yeah.
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Thanking you for what you're doing now for them.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Right? And I think that's kind of a fun idea, too.
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Absolutely, yeah. I've seen, you know, that definitely is a curriculum in elementary
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schools where teachers have them write,
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like a second grader, write a letter to your senior self when you become a senior.
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In high school. That's so cool.
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It is cool. And anybody can do it. And it doesn't have to be a long and exhaustive letter.
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No, not at all.
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But I think it does help you put yourself in, you know, into that thought process
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of, again, the relationship with your future self.
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Yeah, yeah. And thinking about, okay, what can I, should I be doing now?
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Could I I'd be doing now that would,
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make it happen, right?
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Yeah.
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So, yeah, I love that.
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It seems so far away when you're, you know, 18 or in your 20s and 30s,
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but now talking from a senior self, you know, wow, that did not seem very long.
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It did not seem very long. And it didn't, and it does.
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Because I don't know if this is true for you, but when I think,
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so I'm on the other side of 60.
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When I stop and I think, oh, my goodness,
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how long ago that was, how much I have done in my life, how many people I've
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met and places I've been and all of that.
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And I don't know that I stopped specifically in my 20s or whatever to say,
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well, this is what I want to look like, be like when I'm 60.
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But when I look back now, I realize that, yeah, I was probably making decisions
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for a vision that I did have in my head.
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Sure. Yeah.
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Whether I made that, you know, perfectly clear on a piece of paper or not,
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I still had that in my mind.
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And now what's interesting to me is to sit here and say, okay,
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well, what do you want the 70s to look like? What do you want the 80s to look like?
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And it's a,
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So your future self doesn't stop just at retirement age.
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No, not at all. Not at all. Yeah.
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It keeps going. And I like that idea.
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Yeah, I was thinking about that. I was like, okay, I'm on the smaller side of 60.
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So I'm approaching that. And I'm thinking, well, what's next?
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What does the next chapter look like? What are some of my wellness goals?
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What are my goals for my relationship?
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What are, you know, things like that? And I think about when I was 20,
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I was pretty squarely focused on where I wanted to go.
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And I was role-driven in a career.
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But, you know, things happen. They do.
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And you take these turns. But I think the best thing is if you can create a
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path or a vision forward,
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it's easier to veer and change directions if you have – you can go sightsee here. Yes.
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You know, if I'm going on a trip, hey, let's go take a look at this.
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Or he's like, oh, let's go to a different place.
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Right. Let's make a change. Let's make a change.
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Well, for me, one of the things that I've done very recently is sat down and
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thought very carefully, all right, in my 20s, 30s, and even 40s, I was very role-driven.
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I was driven by the goal of achieving the title, the pay, the corner office,
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the things, the stuff, the accoutrement of life, right?
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Now I sit here and I think, well,
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I want to define my success very differently. Yeah, yeah. So how will I define it?
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So that when I do reach 70, I'm looking back and saying, yes, I was successful.
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Sure, yeah. By a very different definition.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And it's an interesting process to go through.
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One that I have found quite fulfilling and interesting.
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Yeah. Because it's like, oh, yeah, I still have a life to live.
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I still have things to contribute.
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I can still be a tourist in this game of life, in this adventure of life. And I like that idea.
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Yeah. I mean, yeah, we start to define success very differently through our
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experienced lenses. Absolutely.
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And I think that's, yeah, what is important? What do you see your future self
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valuing from here on out? Yeah.
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And I think that's a good point, because I think that would be something that
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I would want to communicate to my younger self, that it's really about the time.
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The chance to breathe yeah the the the
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idea of relationships over climbing
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always you know things like that having
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meaningful conversation and meaningful connections with
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people um i had um and this is when i started at at in my academic career a
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little later that um i took to heart this idea of swimming with dolphins rather
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than swimming with sharks and when my former self you In a more competitive atmosphere,
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it was more like swimming with sharks.
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And so I'm glad that my past self made that shift later, although later in life.
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But you think about those things and you're right. The values change.
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The paradigm shifts from being, I always say, you can either in the arts, you can be role-driven.
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It's this or nothing, or you can be arts-encompassing and going,
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okay, what opportunities are there out there?
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And I feel like when I'm doing this on video, I'm showing a very narrow focus on being role-driven.
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And my arms are open. If you're watching the video, my arms are open on being
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encompassing and driven.
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And I feel like as I'm getting older, I want to be more encompassing.
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Oh, absolutely.
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Of what's available and what's out there and connecting with folks. Yeah.
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I mean, just as you do that, you know, when you hold your arms open wide,
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it's because you want to embrace.
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Yeah. Right? You want to bring in and embrace what is available and what is out there.
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And I know that that's what I want for not only the me now, but for the me in the future.
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I want to keep embracing new experiences and new thoughts and new ideas and
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new people and new adventures.
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It comes down to, okay, what am I doing today to help me keep doing that?
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Sure, yeah. A friend of mine is about to embark on a month-long trip to Europe. She's never been.
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Nice, okay.
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And they're going to Italy and France and Spain and Portugal and England and all kinds of places.
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And she realized, she said, we're going to be doing a lot of walking.
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So, a few months ago, she said, I'd better start making sure I can do this.
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And that is the present self preparing for the future self, right?
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And of course, the journey for her also started many months ago,
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and it's like, well, I want to do this.
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How much money do I need to have available?
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And the planning, of course, that goes into it.
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And it doesn't have to be a grand trip to Europe, but I think it's important
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if we stop and think, the decision that I'm making right now,
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how does that impact me five, ten minutes,
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five, ten years from now?
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Yeah, yeah. I think about that a lot, especially with wellness goals.
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Oh, yeah. And I was like, what do I want my physical life to feel like and to
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be like 10 years from now?
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And really, it's about staying active.
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Yes. And maybe not as active as I was when I was 20 years old,
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but still maintaining some sense of movement,
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some sense of mobility, even more so than when I was in my 20s or 30s when you
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didn't really think about mobility, flexibility.
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You thought about, oh, I just need, I'm young.
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My muscles are still young and strong. I can do this. And now I'm thinking about,
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oh, I need to be able to touch my toes.
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I need to be able to, yeah, if I want to go on a trip where I'm going to be
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doing a lot of walking. Yes.
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I got to keep moving. I've got to keep moving.
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And, again, the change of the definition, right?
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Sure. So what being physically fit meant when you were 20 versus what being
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fit now means, right? And for me, it's all about flexibility and strength.
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So as long as I'm strong enough to lift the luggage, put it in the overhead
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bin and keep flexible, I can get up without assistance and move and all of that.
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Those are, that's good. Great. Wonderful.
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I don't need to be able to deadlift 150 pounds. Thank you very much.
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But the idea still, I think that we overlook too often Thank you.
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Is that every decision that we are making is impacting us in some way in the future.
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And that those decisions have a ripple effect. Because if you think about,
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again, just physical fitness, right?
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You want to be able to be fit and limber and...
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Well into your older age so that your children don't have to take care of you. Yeah, yeah. Right?
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To be financially secure so that you're not hurting and struggling. Yeah, yeah.
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And that all of those decisions, all of those end results, rather,
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begin with your decisions today.
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Sure, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, and not just yours, Max's. I mean, all of ours.
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All of ours, yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you, Jamie. I'll work on it. I promise.
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Yeah, no, I think you're right. It encompasses so many aspects of our life.
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I also think about things like our emotional life.
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What is that going to feel like? And because I know, you know,
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we all know as we get older, we experience loss. And we're going to experience
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more and more loss the older we get.
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And I think about that in terms of how do I prepare my future self for that
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sense of loss? How do I frame it?
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You feel the emotions, you feel the pain, you feel the sorrow of the loss.
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But how do you prepare yourself to experience the joy of the past,
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the joy of the future, the joy of legacy?
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And so I think about that a lot is how am I preparing myself emotionally for my future self?
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I love that. And of course, you know, that idea applies to so many things and so many stages of life.
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You've been through this as your children get older and leave the nest,
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that transition period, the loss of the role of being the day-to-day dad,
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right? versus being the dad now of adults out doing their thing.
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And the idea that,
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That we can prepare ourselves emotionally.
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We can build our emotional muscle. Sure. I like that a lot.
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Yeah. And I've experienced that. And I'm fortunate that I get phone calls from
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my kids who are out of town pretty regularly.
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And the one, my big goal is to listen more than advise.
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I love that. And that's always been, and ask questions and just be curious about
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their lives and open about their lives and accepting.
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And that brings me so much joy because it is different than the everyday of
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take out the garbage, do the dishes, did you make your bed?
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You know, asking these questions of did you check off your to-do list of being
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a responsible person, you know, rather than what's exciting in your life?
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What are you experiencing?
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And I really do enjoy that transition.
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That's beautiful. That is. And again, there's that word again, curiosity.
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You know, getting curious about them and their lives, as well as curious about your own.
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I think it's so important.
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And the other thing that comes to mind, because it's a word we talk about a lot, is kindness.
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Being kind to yourself.
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Of course, as we age, as life unravels, or excuse me, you know,
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evolves, that there are things we have no control over.
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Right? Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And we can make a decision today that we think is going to benefit our future self. Yeah, yeah.
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And then there can be circumstances over which we have no control that change that outcome.
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Yeah. And to have the emotional intelligence and the resilience to be able to handle it is important.
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Yeah, yeah. But it's also, I think, very important to understand that we have
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to give ourselves grace. Yeah. We're not in control of every little thing.
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Yeah, absolutely. I have a, maybe it's a hot take, maybe, as the younger people call it.
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But one of the reasons I place an importance on physical wellness is because
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I've known a lot of people who are in pain.
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And that has a direct impact on how they respond to situations.
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Yes. And the ability to be kind. When you're not feeling well and you're in
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pain, I think you have to work even harder to try to be kind.
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I agree. And so everything is connected, folks. It is. It's all connected.
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You know, if you, again, if you look to your future self and how do you want
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to set your future self up for total success, emotional, physical,
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financial, you know, all the intellectual success.
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Right. How do you do that so that you can see beyond that and treat people with kindness?
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And treat people with kindness. And treat yourself kindness.
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When you're doing this, you are being kind to yourself, your future self.
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Absolutely. And I think that one of the challenges,
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things that comes with that at least what pops into my mind is
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there is great freedom and freedom
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is an important word to so many of us that there
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is a great freedom if i am more
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physically mobile the longer i can be physically mobile i have greater freedom
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sure yeah the more intellectually sound i am i have more freedom yes the more
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um financially secure sure more freedom more freedom And so I look at,
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and of course, emotional,
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the more emotional balance and regulation I have in my life,
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the freer I am, because I am then not a slave to finances, to health,
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to others, other people's reactions, et cetera, and so on.
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So I look at this as I want to be a person in my 60s, 70s, 80s,
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beyond whatever comes, as free as possible for as long as possible.
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Yeah, yeah. So that's how I'm looking at it.
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That's awesome. So we talked about all the things that we're looking at.
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Yeah. What are a couple of takeaways, I think, I mean, that we can tell our,
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well, anybody at any point in their life can work on their future self.
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You can. And for me, it's take a moment now.
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Take a moment now to meet your future self.
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Whether you do that through visualization, writing a letter,
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or just sitting down and truly letting yourself think about things, right?
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And to picture that future you, not as a stranger, right?
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Because we want to have that good relationship with them.
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But as a friend who's cheering you on.
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They want the best for you in the now so that they can be the best.
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So, Jamie, what are some things that anyone can do, whether they're,
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you know, in their 20s or 30s or like us, teetering between 60?
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What are some things that we can, strategies we can do to kind of help our future self?
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Well, I think the first thing is to make friends with your future self.
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Sure. Instead of imagining your future self as a stranger you haven't met yet,
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to imagine them as a friend who is cheering you on in the here and the now, right?
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Because they want you to succeed now so that they will succeed in the future.
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So the first is to have that idea that your future self is not something to
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be afraid of or a stranger to fear. It's a friend.
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Yeah. And then choose one action.
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Okay.
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One thing that your future self will thank you for.
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And don't feel like it has to be a little of everything. Yeah. Just one.
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Yeah. So if you say, well, I want to have, you know, I want to be more mobile.
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Go for a walk.
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Decide that that's what you're going to do. Decide that you're going to save
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a little bit more. Whatever it might be, take that action.
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I think mine would be floss more.
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Floss more? We can talk about that, Max.
00:34:07.822 --> 00:34:09.842
Well, yes, I think so.
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I think so, yeah.
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And I think the other thing is then to...
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Also understand that some, so we've been talking about very active things to
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do, right? Sure, yeah, yeah. But sometimes it's get more rest, take more breaks.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So I want everybody to remember that it's not always being more active.
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Sure, yeah. But sometimes it's being less active.
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Taking time.
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Taking time.
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Appreciating time. To breathe. Yeah. Learning how to breathe.
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Breathe, please. Yes, we will learn how to breathe, everybody.
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So I think that's it. just make friends with your future self and choose one action all.
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Right i love that
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All right thanks Max you're.
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Welcome thank you
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Jamie all right.