#17 - When Does Grace Become Enabling?

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Everyone, welcome back to the purpose
filled family podcast. This is episode seventeen.

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We are here to encourage and equip
families to live lives full of purpose,

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passion and on mission for the Kingdom
of God. Yes, and we

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are back on a short turnaround from
our last episode, and we talked about

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a few things that we were doing. We talked about bringing the podcast into

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our home. Or we're not yet
in our home where you're so play on

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that happening. Producer Aaron is in
the house at the end of the month

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and so he's going to take a
look at the office and kind of figure

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out how we do that. So
we're excited about that. But but we

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did also talk about part of the
coming into the house. We would be

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doing some some more frequent episodes,
episodes that we're not as structured and we're

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not formal. And when I say
formal instructured, you know Kate and I

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we prepare for these episodes. We
have a subject, we research it,

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we talked about it, we kind
of have an outline. Now, obviously,

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as a podcast format, we have
conversations about it, but we kind

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of have an idea where we're going. But we want to just talk about

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things. have more episodes, are
more in more frequent but are as informal,

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right, and maybe some pops up. That's happening in culture and we

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want to have base the their conversations. That my prayer is that we have

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anyways, and we do have these
conversations, are regular conversations in our home

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and but we bring that conversation to
you all and basically have a conversation with

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you all and while you're not in
this room, hopefully we can spark thought

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and conversation in your own home.
As parents right at that foundation of everything

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we do. It's about being parents
and spouses and and Christians who live out

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our worldview in all that we do. And so in order to do that,

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we have to learn how to think
about things that are happening in culture

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and in society through a biblical Lens, right with a Gospel centered worldview.

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And that's what we're here to do. And so we know that some of

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these last few episodes, the ones
on the quality act, which have been

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very popular and have had good responses
as far as listenership, and you know,

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we haven't had a ton of feedback
necessarily, which I kind of anticipate.

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It but we have had a good
listenership and so we know that's been

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different and this episode maybe a little
bit to that end. But you know,

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it's what's happening right now, and
so we don't have an outline,

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we don't have a script. I
literally have no notes here. I have

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four bullet points of things I want
to talk about just bring up at some

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point, but beyond that I don't
have any notes. I think my wife

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has a few notes, full transparency, because she's not as comfortable with it,

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but this is really just a conversation. So I don't know where it's

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going to go. And maybe twenty
minutes long and maybe forty minutes long and

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maybe an hour. I don't know. But really that's the goal of these

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episodes and we're hoping to bring more
of those two. So that being said,

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the idea or the theme, or
I think I'm going to call this

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episode would be, would be when
does grace become enabling? And that's kind

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of the what I'm thinking about.
And give a backdrop to that, it

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is the coming up on the middle
of June, two thousand and twenty one,

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and with everything happening in June is
pride month in case you did not

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know, I say that facetiously.
And so and we've noticed a lot of

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things. Obviously, I mean listen, unless, let's you're commally off social

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media, but you can walk into
a starbucks store without or a store for

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that or a store for them.
I was out seeing it, but I

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think, I think, what im
talking what I want to talk about here,

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is that what we've seen here locally
is we've seen inside the walls of

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our church and fellow brothers and sisters
in Christ who see this month completely differently,

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completely differently. And so the question
and you know where we stand.

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If you've listened to this podcast all, you know where we stand on it.

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And that's not necessarily what we're going
to be talking about. I mean,

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again, you can go back and
listen to the episode nine or even

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our last two episodes on the Equality
Act. We have a biblical, what

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we believe to be a biblical,
worldview on marriage, that God created man

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and woman and that's what marriages.
But that being said, I have no

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hate for anybody in my heart.
I've never disrespected somebody in a long,

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long time, not on purpose anyways, not blatantly. You know, I

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would never condone that and I have
no malice in my heart, but I

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know that just because I hold a
worldview, I'm seen as that. I

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know I have I have people I
consider friends and I know they don't like

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my stuff on social media anymore,
and they don't. They don't. They

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don't say anything to you and I'll
comment on their stuff sometimes out you know

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they don't like it, which sounds
superficial, but it's just kind of silly,

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right, and I know that's really
strictly not because I've ever done anything

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of them. We used to be
great friends, but if I saw the

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world like they did, it would
be different. And I harbor no resentment

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towards them because they don't hold my
biblical Worldview. I I harvard no resentment

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and I think that's pretty universal.
I'm not big on generalizing things right because

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I think there's discernment and everything,
but that's pretty universe right now. It's

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like I see one group that,
for the most part, this says we

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have this worldview, we don't agree
with that worldview but at the same time

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we don't hate, we don't write, we're not going to disrespect those who

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don't hold our worldview. And I
see another group who holds that world who

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holds their worldview, and if you
don't agree with it, then they're allomatically

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doing the exact thing that they're accusing
you of. So they're going to call

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the I mean, I may be
called close mind it, a big it,

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a racist, I mean traditionalist,
I mean wherever you want to call

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it, and yet by holding that
view of me based off my beliefs and

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not off of my actions, you
are hypocritically doing exact same thing. You're

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being closed mind it by assuming I'm
closed minded just because I'd all agree with

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your belief and it's unfortunate, but
that's the world we live in. And,

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that being said, in the church
right it's happening in the church,

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and so I would just ask the
question to you based off of it.

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Does have to just be around what's
happening this month, although I think that's

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again currently that that's what we're facing. I mean in your opinion, Babe,

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what would you say? When does
grace become enabling when it comes to

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the Church and Culture and society?
Well, I think that grace becomes enabling

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when that's all we're doing, is
just having the grace mindset. So it

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leads to compromising with sin. Right, we have to accept what the Bible

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clearly says. If somebody else holds
that view, we need to accept it,

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we need to affirm it, and
that is loving that person, according

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to the culture. Right. So, so it is. It's an endorsement

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to say that one more time.
So what Your Zoe? I'm clear you're

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saying that in today's culture and society
that basically to love someone is to agree

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with them. Yeah, so sorry. You know, right now telling the

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truth is harsh, it's mean,
it's harmful, it's intolerant, it's hate,

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no matter how you say it,
no matter how you say it,

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and anything that makes somebody uncomfortable is
deemed as those things, hurtful, harmful,

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whatever. And so Jesus always came
with grace and truth, and right

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now what we're seeing is this huge
swing to only the grace and no truth,

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and we have to affirm everything and
everybody and whatever you believe and whatever

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you hold true. You know the
moral relative relativism that's happening right now.

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Whatever is your truth or whatever.
So we're just going to accept all that.

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But I think what we fail to
realize is that ultimately that hurts people,

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especially as Christians. Were called to
tell the truth. We're called to

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speak the truth and love. We
are commanded to do that several times in

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scripture. That is what Jesus himself
did. Jesus sat with sinners, he

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ate with sinners. He loves every
single sinner. We are all sinners and

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he loves all of us. He
died for all of us, but he

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did not affirm, he did not
celebrate sin. It is God is intolerant

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to sin. That's why Jesus had
to die so that we could be made

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right with him. And so I
think that, as Christians, I think

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that my heartbreaks the most. It's
not what the world right. The world

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is going to be confused. The
world is going to be deceived. There

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they don't know. But for people
claiming to know Christ, people claiming to

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have a relationship with Jesus, and
I've seen this before, like you know,

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for celebrating pride and accepting pride as
people claiming to believe in Christ,

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they say Real Christians love everyone and
that I just think that that's so dangerous,

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because your definition of love means the
opposite of what scripture scriptural. Well,

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hold on, hold on, there
I want to be careful there,

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because I think that's that's what we've
seen in right, was that their heart

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is in the right place, because
they'll look at John Sixteen for God,

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so love the world. Look at
Versai. God Is Love, for Christ

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not come to this world to condemn
this rule, but to save the world,

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right, and so heat. So
they they'll take those verses and to

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be a Christian is to love everyone. That is absolutely one hundred percent true.

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Right, that is true. Yeah, but way, but wait,

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wait, wait, wait. But
it goes back to it goes back to

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the fact that love does not mean
agreement with everything. That's the root of

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this. That is true. This, and so I think that is big

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because I think when people so,
I think most, I'll say most most

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Christians, their heart is in the
right place. Yeah, their heart is,

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you know, I know that right. And that's the thing. And

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and so, and it feels good
and it feels right to say love is

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love and it feels good. I
think there's a few issues here, but

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all let's start with this issue.
It feels right, it feels good,

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it feels that the Christian response.
But at the same time, at the

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heart of it I think there's two
things here at the heart of it.

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If I had to, if I
had to just summarize this real simply,

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I'd say one is the fact that
we have come to a point where,

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again, if we don't agree with
it, we don't condone it, then

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we're allomatically hateful, and we don't. We don't. We're not hateful people,

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right. And so we say,
okay, we're going to accept it

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because because love is because God is
love and God loves that person. So

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we are kind of it's like an
all or nothing. It's like either were

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all into love or if we don't
agree with something, then we abomastically do

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not love. So that is absolutely
binary thinking and that is false and that's

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bad theology. Well, yeah,
and one more thing and then I think

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the other issue is we can get
into this. Issue I see is that

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I think there are a lot of
a lot of Christians, selfprofession Christians,

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who are more worried about being accepted
by Modern Day culture and society then they

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are about holding a biblical worldview.
And so we had a friend of ours

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who posted a meme on facebook and
the the meme was not something I agreed

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with and I do not get into
these types of conversations because they're so my

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wife gets into these conversations. Will
show post some things and social media and

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and I'll just say I and I'll
always tell our go I support you right,

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whatever you want to say. But
it's hard because you know you're going

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to get comments and it's hard to
have these types of conversations on social media

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because they're so nuanced. But I
the IT. My friends post sparked a

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conversation, obviously because it was regarding
pride, Munth and all these things.

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And and so I felt the need
to step in because one of one of

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our friends and one of my sisters
in Christ who jumped into this and kind

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of held an antithetical or antibiblical worldview, and and we have a great relationship.

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So I jumped in and what I
said at the end of the day,

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I go, we've what you just
said right in that grace and truth

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and and I'm going to take credit
there because I've been saying that for years

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and years and years. And so
first it came from the Bible. Yeah,

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well, you know what I mean, so and so. But but

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but I told her I'll go.
He said, I think, I think

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it's John one hundred and seventeen.
Don't quote me on that. But Jesus

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came in Grace and truth and I've
learned that almost ninety nine percent of the

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time the truth is not found at
the extremes in anything, and so I

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try not to say always, I
try not to say never very you know,

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and any extreme position there's generally a
hint of truth taken too far.

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That's generally how extreme positions in anything
come and so Jesus came in grace and

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truth, and what our job is
is to find the tension in the middle,

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because if we swing too far towards
grace, we enable right or we

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can don't end up condoning bad behavior. And if we or sinful behavior,

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in this case, if we swing
too far towards the truth, which a

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lot of Christians do and a lot
of churches have, then we become legal

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listic, we'd become a little pharisees, we become judgmental and we become a

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hammer the sees everything as a nail, and so we're constantly just putting down,

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criticizing. That's not good scripture,
that's not good doctrine, that's not

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good preaching. That's not bla blabble
and words and that's all there is and

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there's no grace and there's no love
in that. So Jesus was the perfect

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example and it's constantly a challenge to
me because, if I had to are,

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I would probably are. I would
probably are too much on side of

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grace, I would think, at
this point in my life. I think

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that's changed a lot. I think
at this point of my life I'd are

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too side, too much on side
of grace. I think because of where

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I come from and how we came
to Christ I'm very sensitive to that and

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so, but the same time I
realized that if we're not giving truth,

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then we're not we're not loving,
we're not loving well. But it's the

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polar opsit view. It's like if
you give any truth, then right,

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you don't love and like, no, it's actually the opposite. If I

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don't give truth, I'm not loving
well. Well, I think as Christians

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we love God and we love people
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the truth. That sets them free. Right, like knowing who Jesus is

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and him changing our perspectives and changing
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free. It is a there's a
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them so much we want them to
know that. And what's happening right now

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is darkness and it's contrary to the
word of God and it's confusion and it's

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deception and it's rooted in Satan.
That's what it is. He is he

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is fueling this in our in our
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want that for people, and that's
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I don't want, you know,
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yeah, let's Woo, this is
this is great. anyways, the Bible

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talks about Satan disguising himself, you
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that he's not going to come out
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or manifest in this evil where it
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so I think one of the things
I've heard is that right now, what's

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happening in the Christian community is he
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Right, so's he's trying to it
seems right, like the soldier. Right.

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Yes, it feels right. We
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and we want to love everybody and
accept everybody and affirm every everything and everybody

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that feels like it's the Christian thing
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also a slippery slope. Well,
I think here's the thing, right,

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is that at the end of the
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to will and to call it out. And we've come to a place where,

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on certain things a Christian have no
problem giving truth. But now on

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these cultural hot buttons where it's easier
to be accepted and right and we want

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to be accepted and we don't want
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it's easier to to give the grace
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If I come to Christ and I
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Christian, would it have an issue? Is that? I hope not to

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say you can't do that, that's
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We don't want treat our spouse like
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like that, right, we don't
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not how we right, that's not
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God. So we'd have no problem
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say it mean because it's easy,
because nobody thinks that's right. So that

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that's easy. But then it's the
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it's Christians believing sin is all right, but we're not wanting to come out

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and say it. Most people are
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because there would be the backlash.
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where, like, there are certain
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into, but there's other things that
we can't even call sin because just to

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call it sin means I'm judgmental,
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No, I just have a biblical
world view. To Me, hate

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comes out in an action and how
I would treat people. The words are

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use, the things I would do
against them. When Christ says that,

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what is you say, heroes,
that a tree is going to be told

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by the fruit it bears, like
that's how you tell if a tree is

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good, and so it's the same
ideas, like we're kind of actions you

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have towards that person. Me Not
not holding the same beliefs as you does

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not not mean that we're hateful and
we have lost that. We've lost that.

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It is automatically that if you don't
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to believe. Mainstream media, big
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athletics, that's kind of your big
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call culture society. If you don't
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ideology, then you are automatically labeled
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the church and I really think that
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process verbally, but as I'm talking
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it's a combination of hearts in the
right place. They're just misguided and their

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misguided because they think that they don't
agree, then they don't love and they're

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like, well, God is love
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loved us. So I'm just need, I just need to love them.

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But we fail to forget that if
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really loving them. Well, right, when it's, when it's in just

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like we wouldn't allow somebody to continue
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spouse. It's still sinful behavior.
It's still sinful behavior, and so we

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have to be one to call that
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hard, but I think if we
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me not agree with you or me
calling something sin in your life does not

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mean I don't love you. I
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I just say nothing right, well, I think lost that. Yeah,

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I think we need to realize that
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Like you know what we're mean.
What does judgment mean? What does

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injustice mean? What does hatred mean? What is discrimination mean? What is

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racist mean? What does all of
these words have just been hijacked to mean

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something completely different than they actually used
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this broad you just took a broad
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broad brush. And to disagree or
to not affirm or to not celebrate because

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we hold two values from the word
of God, the creator of of the

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whole entire world and of you and
me. Because we hold to those and

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we're not going to affirm and celebrate
it, we're hateful. That's that's that's

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not right, that's not right,
right thinking. That is a lie.

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The other thing is the do not
judge scripture. So we everybody wants to,

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you know, throw that in your
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and you say, Hey, this
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this is not what God says.
You know, we're I'm not going to

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affirm this or whatever. So don't
judge, don't, don't, don't judge

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other people. And people take that
from scripture, but then they misinterpret what

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that actually means. So when Jesus
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going to be judged? Right,
he's talking about there's a difference in judgmental

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like judging other people, where it
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I'm better than you righteous is yes, so he's talking about that.

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Don't do that. You know,
don't try to remove the plank or the

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speck in your your brother's eye without
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So he's talking about coming from a
judgmental attitude. But we as Christians,

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when we have the mind of Christ
we are called to judge, ideologies,

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theories, things that you know,
the way another word to judge and be

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called discern you call rite discerned.
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again I was saying, like the
hijacking of words it's painted with this broad

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brush. We are, as Christians, supposed to, you know, judge

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and discern with the mind of Christ. What if we have the Holy Spirit

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in as we're supposed to think,
hey man, that's not right, this

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is you know. Well, I
think. I think that with the whole

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judging thing, you're right, I
agree with that. And what I would

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say is I can call that.
Here's the difference. Right, if I

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call something sin, knowing that I
have sin in my life but not willing

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to admit that and act as if
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in my life, that's where judgment
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something and say, Hey, that's
sin, and also look at a bunch

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of as myles say hey, that's
sin, and your sin is no greater

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or bigger than my sin. It's
still sin. But I still have to

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call out, as I would hope
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Right, you know, I felt
I felt convicted. Yes, she

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has. I'm having a conversation with
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who was just it was a little
too much and I mocked them. Okay,

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I mocked them, and so and
listen. I felt I can and

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it was out of nowhere and the
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you know, was like that's that's
something you have did you know ten

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years ago and so, but that's
sin. But at the same time that's

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free, you know, and that's
a work of the Holy Spirit, like

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we could but to just say like
yeah, I'm a sinner and it doesn't

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mean I go on sinning by still
recognize I'm a sinner. And so that

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way when somebody calls it out of
me, I'm hoping that my first is

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not get defensive. It's like,
okay, you're probably right, because I

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know I'm a sinner. But again, that goes back to the same thing.

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It's like to be able to call
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mean, it's just means that that's
not we don't agree with that, we

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don't agree with that belief, we
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calls it sin and me, as
a biblical Worldview, holding the biblical Worldview,

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I'm going to call it with the
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comfortable, but Christianity is not supposed
to make you comfortable. Is Not supposed

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to make you fit in with culture
and society. It's supposed to make you

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rub against. Now I'm not supposed
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You should if you never have,
if you never if your beliefs are

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the same as all of cultural societies. And this goes back. This not's

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not just today. This is goes
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back in the Old Testament, before
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the Jews, you look at I
think I've said this on our podcast,

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but right now I'm just I'm just
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I'm just so focused right now on
the story of Joseph and Daniel. The

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Old Testament is particularly Daniel, but
these are two men who are in completely

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pagan cultures and so society and just
prospered. And how did that? And

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Daniels even in Daniel is great and
and and I know I'll be full transparency

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kate and I see some of this. I think Kate's a little bit more

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us or extreme, a little bit
more extreme than I am passionate. How's

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that? And so it was really
good for her because we were doing a

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devotional with the with the kids as
doing evolution. She was sitting on it

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and it talked about like Daniels friends, we're like basically like the other Jews

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who have been captured and taking the
babble and they're like, we can't learn

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this stuff. They wants to learn
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then Daniel's like, no, we
need, we need to learn about this,

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but it doesn't. We need to
we need to operate in his where

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God has put us, but we
don't compitulate our beliefs and that I'm that

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that just speaks like so much to
me right now. I'm just like,

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yes, I can love you,
I can exist in this world, I

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can have conversations with you, I
would serve you and you are welcomed in

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this church, and this is in
my belief. And if you are you

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are gay, you are transgender,
you are whatever your gender fluid, you

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are, whatever else is out there
nowadays, you are welcomed in this church.

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You can come, you can accept
Christ right as you are, and

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I believe that you are saved right
where you are at. But once you

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are saved, our call is the
work of the Holy Spirit. Is that's

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just the start. Right, we're
regenerated, we are saved, we are

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justified and then we go become sanctified
and edified, and that's the process of

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becoming holy. That's probably become holy. That is as any racist from our

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life. So I think that's the
problem. It's like we're like, well,

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we're not accept it, you know, if you don't agree with me,

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you're with then you're not accepting us. No, I am accepting you,

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you are welcoming you, I accept
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but just like any other sin,
you're right, if you're going to come

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and be a Christian, you have
to be willing to let go of some

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beliefs and it's not easy. It
is not easy and it's hard and it's

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just like, let me I know
if you're if you're Bible. Let's say

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two things. If Your Bible never
presses against you, if the word God

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never presses against you, then one, either you're not reading it to you're

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not reading all of it, or
three, you were just trying to you're

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just manipulating it in your own mind
right to what you already believe. And

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we are not called we come under
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We come under the authority. And
I think what we're seeing in the

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church a lot and if this is
the sad part, again good hearted people,

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for the most part, it's we're
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but not as Lord. Right,
we want Jesus Saviors, not as

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Lord. And we don't and as
Americans, we don't even understand the word

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Lord Right. I mean we get
we okay, Lord means God, but

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go back in history and look at
what a Lord is. It's like a

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king, right, Lord, and
so you came under the rulership of that

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King or of that Lord. Right, you came under the authority. So,

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even if you don't like it,
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you came under and you obeyed it. And that is what we are called.

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And we swung so far away from
who God is as holy and and

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benevolent and just the transcendence of God. We've gone so far to the intimacy

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of God. And God is my
homeboy and Jesus is my homeboy and Jesus

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is my friend and Jesus accepts me
right where I'm at and I'm welcomed and

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just as I am. Yes,
yes, yes, those are all true.

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I don't like Jesus, my home
boy, I don't condone that,

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but that those things are all true. But God is also unchanging right,

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and so that's the and we're also
called Jesus. You know. People want

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to say, well, I was
born this way. Well, Jesus says,

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you must be born again. You
deny your you deny your you deny

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yourself. Yes, pick up your
cross. Christianity is about a denying of

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our sinful flesh. We align ourselves
with scripture and with God. We come

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under his authority. We don't fit
him to our life, we don't take

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him on, put him in our
back back okay, for this. So

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I don't need to hear I don't
need to hear those whole you. That's

406
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what we do. But no,
that's well, good blessing, that's one,

407
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all the blessing. But we don't
want to deny ourselves. We don't

408
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want to have to challenge our ideas
or the way we think and come under

409
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the authority of somebody else, because
we're Amer this is a very American thing

410
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race. So that's so good,
though. Yeah, that's his conversation with

411
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Nicodemus, right when he says,
I believe. Yeah, I think it's

412
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Nicodemus. Don't get mad me if
I'm wrong. Bible scholars not there,

413
00:28:14.410 --> 00:28:15.329
I'm pretty sure. But yeah,
he owes, you know, heays,

414
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he's just like he was. Well, you have to be born again,

415
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you have to be born of the
spirit. You've been born of the flesh.

416
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That be born of the spirit to
get into the kingdom. And Nicodemus

417
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is like, he's like, I
can't go back in my mom's womb,

418
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you know, because he's just seen
it purely from the flesh. I love

419
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that conversation. And so, but
that's so good, right, and that

420
00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:36.119
is so true. And but the
thing is it's up his something else has

421
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a band, a conviction of me. Lately it's like if you never go

422
00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:45.069
to church and walk away offend it, then honestly, like there's probably something

423
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wrong from the preaching. Well,
that's a whole name. I'm not saying.

424
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I'm not saying. But okay,
it is a whole different thing.

425
00:28:48.910 --> 00:28:52.509
But but, but the prop but
again I go back to in this is

426
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someone who has preached in front of
hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people.

427
00:28:55.589 --> 00:28:59.619
Okay, we serve out a big
church and I've preached to an auditor and

428
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full of five hundred plus people.
I understand this and we've talked to about

429
00:29:03.259 --> 00:29:07.339
this before, but you want you
don't want to go. It's hard to

430
00:29:07.420 --> 00:29:10.730
go to that truth side because you
want people to like it. Because I'm

431
00:29:10.730 --> 00:29:12.289
human, right, and I want
people to like what I say. I

432
00:29:12.369 --> 00:29:15.569
want people to to say great job
and come up me afterwards. And so

433
00:29:15.690 --> 00:29:19.730
what's easy to preach. You're welcome
just as you are, and everybody's welcome

434
00:29:19.769 --> 00:29:23.130
here and we love you, and
and and there is grace upon grace upon

435
00:29:23.170 --> 00:29:26.319
grace, and God's mercies are new
every day and all, yes, and

436
00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:30.359
Amen. Right, all those things
are scriptural. All those things are true,

437
00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:34.119
but we just we fall so much
the grace side then we lose the

438
00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:37.519
truth side. That God is you
know, there's wrath and there is judgment

439
00:29:37.670 --> 00:29:41.829
coming and they're you know, the
hell is a real place and you know

440
00:29:41.029 --> 00:29:45.309
God is in things and that God
is immutable, right, he is unchanging.

441
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So I think sometimes we're like,
well, that's the God the Old

442
00:29:47.430 --> 00:29:49.390
Testament. Know it's the same God. It's the same God. Jesus was

443
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there at the beginning and there was
mercy in the Old Testament throughout as well.

444
00:29:52.940 --> 00:29:57.220
If you look, there was constantly
mercy from God and there's so many

445
00:29:57.259 --> 00:30:02.059
times there was mercy from God.
It's the same God, the same yesterday,

446
00:30:02.059 --> 00:30:06.019
today and forever. The immutability is
a it's just a basic foundation of

447
00:30:06.059 --> 00:30:08.130
the Christian faith. And so yes, God is all those things we see

448
00:30:08.130 --> 00:30:11.490
in Jesus in the New Testament.
But he doesn't lose, and this is

449
00:30:11.609 --> 00:30:15.450
good, he doesn't lose any of
the truth. He doesn't lose his judgment,

450
00:30:15.650 --> 00:30:18.329
he doesn't lose his wrath. But
that's the beautiful thing about God.

451
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He just because he has judgment and
wrath, it doesn't change the fact of

452
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how much he loved us. It's
not fifty and fifty, is one hundred

453
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and one hundred. And we've lost
that in culture and we've preached so long

454
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without the truth side, and not
all, not all churches, but in

455
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a lot of churches, in a
lot of denominations, that we are seeing

456
00:30:37.269 --> 00:30:41.390
the fruit inside the church. We're
strictly talking to the church a we are

457
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seeing the fruit of decades, I'd
say probably two decades, maybe two and

458
00:30:45.549 --> 00:30:51.299
a half decades, of preaching only
grace and preaching only particular parts of the

459
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Bible and leaving out anything they would
err on the side of truth. And

460
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so we've come in. This is
going to be kind of Nerdy here,

461
00:30:57.299 --> 00:31:00.140
but I'm a of church Nerdy,
but we've come to a point where,

462
00:31:00.180 --> 00:31:04.890
like baptism, is the finish line
as stead of the starting point of our

463
00:31:06.049 --> 00:31:08.089
walk with Christ. It's like people. They get Baptiz eyes and then there's

464
00:31:08.089 --> 00:31:11.930
a kind of I'm good. It's
like, no, that's where the work

465
00:31:11.970 --> 00:31:15.289
begins. Like God, the Holy
Spirit saved you. You are a new

466
00:31:15.410 --> 00:31:19.559
creation. Praise God. But now
the molding and the shaping and the and

467
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the Chiseling of who God has you
to be. He who begin a good

468
00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:26.200
working you will not, will not
cease to finish it right, God's going

469
00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:29.799
to do a working you for the
rest of your life. But that means

470
00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:33.509
that chiseling the way. I reason
I love that imagery is because chiseling a

471
00:31:33.789 --> 00:31:37.910
picture yourself being chiel. It doesn't
feel good, right, it doesn't.

472
00:31:37.910 --> 00:31:40.430
It's not supposed to feel good.
It's supposed to rub against you. Were

473
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supposed to be convicted, not condemned, but convicted, and we're supposed to

474
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change. And that's the Lord part. We want to save your part,

475
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but we don't want the Lord part. We want to come to Christ with

476
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and give him the things right.
We want to be saved, we want

477
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to have eternity with him. We
want we want purpose, want meaning.

478
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We love all that part of Christian
and we love how that preachers. We

479
00:31:57.180 --> 00:32:00.819
want to love, we want to
be loved. We want to have community.

480
00:32:00.259 --> 00:32:05.210
I love that about the local church. But we don't want to change

481
00:32:05.250 --> 00:32:07.250
right. There are very few people
are like, okay, Lord this,

482
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change me right, change my worldview. But my am I not seeing this?

483
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Well, my not seeing this.
And now we're seeing the fruit of

484
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that. And Listen, if I'm
here, if I told you that the

485
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church is probably fifty and how they
see this month, I don't think that's

486
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too far off. And that includes
our local church. And so I think

487
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that I mean, I mean,
I'll say that locally here. You know

488
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no names. Obviously like that,
and a lot of our love of our

489
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local church. Friends listen to the
PODCAST GASS and we appreciate US listening.

490
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So some of you probably are aware
of this, and so that is what

491
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it is. But a lot of
people listen outside of this country, and

492
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so I think that's awesome. But
we had we have a facebook page,

493
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a public facebook page that's for,
you know, anyone can like, and

494
00:32:52.099 --> 00:32:58.500
then we have an internal facebook page
and that that is only for like really

495
00:32:58.500 --> 00:33:01.250
people who are regular tenders. You
don't not anyway gets into the group,

496
00:33:01.289 --> 00:33:05.369
right. You have to request it
and somebody has to accept you or invite

497
00:33:05.410 --> 00:33:07.130
you, and so if you show
up once every six months, you're not

498
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in this facebook page. So these
are people who are part of the church,

499
00:33:09.769 --> 00:33:15.599
right. And there was something posted
in there that it was and we

500
00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:21.039
can talk about this, and it
was about blues clues and blues clues as

501
00:33:21.079 --> 00:33:22.440
a show. For those of you
who don't know, I mean it's a

502
00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:27.630
kids cartoon program there you on Nickelodeon, Nick Junior and Nick Junior and and

503
00:33:28.190 --> 00:33:30.950
they were going to have an episode
of where they transgender character. They did

504
00:33:31.069 --> 00:33:35.630
have an Atisade, they did have
episode. It was coming up and at

505
00:33:35.670 --> 00:33:38.430
the time and all the Post said
was he such like, Hey, parents,

506
00:33:39.309 --> 00:33:43.299
be aware this is happening if you
don't want your children to see this,

507
00:33:43.900 --> 00:33:46.500
because blues what's the age of Blues
Clues watchers? Three to six,

508
00:33:46.940 --> 00:33:50.700
three to five, I mean it's
young, it's toddler to you know,

509
00:33:50.819 --> 00:33:53.259
preschool age. Yeah, we pass
preschool people only were the kids aren't watching

510
00:33:53.259 --> 00:33:57.609
blues clues, and so they're going
to paw patrol all this stuff and so,

511
00:33:58.690 --> 00:34:00.450
but so that's all the Post Day. It wasn't it wasn't harsh,

512
00:34:00.490 --> 00:34:07.049
it wasn't condemning and it got it
got real ugly real fast us and it

513
00:34:07.130 --> 00:34:10.159
got ugly in a sense of disagreeing
with the Post, as if the post

514
00:34:10.400 --> 00:34:15.320
was wrong with this. Yes,
and and so, right there. And

515
00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:17.199
that's and and you see, I
mean go online. If you go to

516
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church, I'm I mean depending on
unless you are and maybe the Bible Belt

517
00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:25.269
and very conservative church, which are
our church out there and and right on.

518
00:34:25.429 --> 00:34:29.949
Good for you. But a lot
of churches, if you look at

519
00:34:29.989 --> 00:34:32.670
your friends facebook post that there,
they don't think along those lines and they

520
00:34:32.670 --> 00:34:36.429
would be part of the group to
be offended. And I just and when

521
00:34:36.510 --> 00:34:40.139
that happened, we end up having
to take the post down and it was

522
00:34:40.219 --> 00:34:43.860
one of those things where for me
I was just like wow, there's a

523
00:34:44.579 --> 00:34:49.579
there's an underlying tension here. You
know, and not you again, I'm

524
00:34:49.579 --> 00:34:52.170
using our church locally, but in
the Church of people who see these,

525
00:34:52.329 --> 00:34:59.449
these the subject this month, and
cultural views very, very, very differently.

526
00:34:59.570 --> 00:35:01.730
Well, you see the rift starting
to happen within the church. I

527
00:35:01.849 --> 00:35:08.280
think is the most eye opening thing
that we can't agree or get along in

528
00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:16.719
the church on these types of issues. That's a little bit concerning and I

529
00:35:16.760 --> 00:35:22.349
think part of that is because,
you know, people. I think people

530
00:35:22.469 --> 00:35:27.190
just don't know the scripture. They
or they want to take out parts that

531
00:35:27.230 --> 00:35:30.469
they don't like or gloss over things
that are difficult or, you know,

532
00:35:30.789 --> 00:35:36.900
they don't have an understanding of basic
biblical knowledge. And I think that Satan

533
00:35:36.940 --> 00:35:43.500
will exploit the our lack of biblical
knowledge in these areas and caused division amongst

534
00:35:43.539 --> 00:35:46.500
us. I mean, wouldn't that
be isn't don't you think he's so happy

535
00:35:46.619 --> 00:35:51.769
with that like that, that we're
against each other? He's hitting we can't

536
00:35:51.769 --> 00:35:54.690
even agree on Foundational Biblical things.
Well, that you know. So I

537
00:35:54.769 --> 00:35:57.489
mean I mean, I'm sorry,
I Menna cut you off there, but

538
00:35:57.530 --> 00:36:00.369
yeah, I mean, if your
Satan, you you're like I got self

539
00:36:00.449 --> 00:36:06.920
profession Christians believing things that are there
are antithetical to the word of God and

540
00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:10.320
feeling great about it and attacking other
Christian taking of the Christians who don't hold

541
00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:14.239
that belief. And so it's like
it's one thing that to have somebody outside

542
00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:16.280
the church call you hateful or closed
minded, but now then the church,

543
00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:21.230
there are people who are thinking that
that other brothers and sisters are or closed

544
00:36:21.309 --> 00:36:23.949
minded. Because, you know,
I mean, and I'm generalizing here obviously.

545
00:36:24.030 --> 00:36:28.110
Like I said, the conversation I
had on on facebook, the comment

546
00:36:28.150 --> 00:36:31.710
I made was very well received and
we're friends, were great friends. You

547
00:36:31.750 --> 00:36:35.340
know, we see this differently inside
the church, but there is also the

548
00:36:35.460 --> 00:36:39.099
the tension there, and it's and
that that hurts my heart and I think

549
00:36:39.179 --> 00:36:43.820
that's the hard thing in it.
And you know, like locally, we

550
00:36:43.980 --> 00:36:49.530
had a pride festival here and it
was the same thing. I had at

551
00:36:49.570 --> 00:36:53.969
least two or three families that I
knew personally who were a part of the

552
00:36:54.090 --> 00:36:59.369
church, you know, maybe not
the most involved people, but they were

553
00:36:59.409 --> 00:37:01.800
still there, Still Self Profession Christians, at least from far as I know,

554
00:37:02.599 --> 00:37:07.639
and that they were there and supportive
and all about it. And then

555
00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:13.400
the kids were there and it was
just like Whoa like this is where we

556
00:37:13.519 --> 00:37:19.150
are at. And again, if
you don't if you do not believe as

557
00:37:19.190 --> 00:37:21.670
a Christian, if you don't believe
Christ as savior, then that's one thing.

558
00:37:21.710 --> 00:37:23.670
That's a whole different conversation. This
is not what this conversation about.

559
00:37:23.989 --> 00:37:29.750
We would never hold some who's not
a Christian to Christian values or biblical role

560
00:37:29.750 --> 00:37:31.260
view, but these are people who, for the most part, again,

561
00:37:31.260 --> 00:37:36.420
are self professing Christians that are just
so like and it's not just like I

562
00:37:36.539 --> 00:37:42.460
agree with that or but it's loud
and it's very out there and and that

563
00:37:42.780 --> 00:37:45.250
is yeah, if you're saying you're
having a field day, field there with

564
00:37:45.329 --> 00:37:49.530
that. And so that's the unfortunately, I mean talk about you were on

565
00:37:49.769 --> 00:37:55.570
Instagram and you had somebody message you
and ask about their kid seeing and how

566
00:37:55.570 --> 00:37:58.760
do you have that conversation with your
child about that? Mean you won't talk

567
00:37:58.760 --> 00:38:01.079
about that? Yeah, I had
somebody reach out to me and say that

568
00:38:01.199 --> 00:38:08.599
they were in a store shopping with
their child and the the child's goes to

569
00:38:08.679 --> 00:38:14.309
a Christian school. They haven't had
this conversation about what pride month means or

570
00:38:14.349 --> 00:38:20.670
anything like that. Hole the choble
was by chancewer fourth grade and they they

571
00:38:20.789 --> 00:38:22.869
saw, you know, a rainbow
thing or whatever, something for pridemonth that

572
00:38:23.070 --> 00:38:27.780
was for sell in the store.
And the child said to their mother,

573
00:38:28.659 --> 00:38:30.739
Hey, look, mom, this
is for pride month, and it totally

574
00:38:30.780 --> 00:38:34.420
caught her off guard and she was
just like, I didn't know what to

575
00:38:34.539 --> 00:38:37.739
say and didn't know even, you
know, where she had heard that from

576
00:38:37.780 --> 00:38:42.969
or whatever. And so, you
know, just trying to navigate. We

577
00:38:43.809 --> 00:38:46.530
we are going to have to try
to navigate how to have these conversations with

578
00:38:46.650 --> 00:38:51.010
our kids. And what do we
say? How do we how do we

579
00:38:51.809 --> 00:38:54.690
broach the subject, because they are
literally, our children are a little literally

580
00:38:54.760 --> 00:38:59.400
inundated with it from every angle.
It is everywhere. It's on TV,

581
00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:02.400
it's on Disney plus. She come
about. You want to talk about that?

582
00:39:02.719 --> 00:39:06.800
Well, yeah, so on Disney
plus. We have Disney plus.

583
00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:09.349
The kids watch things. We Love
Disney plus. Yeah, and contents of

584
00:39:09.389 --> 00:39:14.030
that is getting harder and harder to
even justify having it anymore, but we

585
00:39:14.190 --> 00:39:17.110
still do so anyways. They have
a whole section for pride month. You

586
00:39:17.190 --> 00:39:21.710
can go on there and select shows
that talk about and one of them was

587
00:39:21.789 --> 00:39:23.659
I at the top. Wow,
that's why out, wasn't it? And

588
00:39:23.739 --> 00:39:28.539
it wasn't that. It was the
main thing. And now the kids don't

589
00:39:28.579 --> 00:39:30.860
know any better. We have no, we have not what we've talked a

590
00:39:30.980 --> 00:39:34.980
little bit about but we haven't had
a full on conversation. So if they

591
00:39:35.059 --> 00:39:37.780
see out, still think they don't
know that. They don't. They're kind

592
00:39:37.780 --> 00:39:42.250
of oblivious to we were in we
were in a store too, and there

593
00:39:42.329 --> 00:39:45.289
was stuff all around with the rainbow
and all that stuff and love is love

594
00:39:45.369 --> 00:39:47.250
and you know all those things and
the kids literally looked at it and I

595
00:39:47.329 --> 00:39:52.440
don't think it quite right stirred for
them yet. So in my opinion,

596
00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:55.880
that's how it should be, in
my opinion. In I think that's my

597
00:39:55.920 --> 00:39:59.360
problem with some of the stuff we
talk about these last two episodes. If

598
00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:02.079
you list to our episodes on the
quality act in school, it's like I

599
00:40:02.199 --> 00:40:06.000
want my kids, they have to
rest, God will, and they have

600
00:40:06.119 --> 00:40:07.869
the rest of their lives to deal
with all this stuff, the tension,

601
00:40:08.230 --> 00:40:14.070
the disagreements, the ideologies, all
they have. You know, like let

602
00:40:14.190 --> 00:40:16.190
them. I mean I want to
control it with you, right. We

603
00:40:16.349 --> 00:40:21.349
want to control when is the right
time. And we have two girls are

604
00:40:21.389 --> 00:40:23.659
twins, that they might as well
be there. There stame age and there

605
00:40:23.699 --> 00:40:27.820
two mints apart. They might as
we five years apart, and their maturity

606
00:40:27.980 --> 00:40:31.900
and their emotional maturity and that's how
every child is different. So no government

607
00:40:31.980 --> 00:40:35.500
ran school. You know, you
don't get to sit there and bring this

608
00:40:35.579 --> 00:40:37.449
to my kids at kindergarten. You
know I mean, it's just like I'll

609
00:40:37.489 --> 00:40:40.130
make the decision. Well, yeah, and it even goes deeper than that.

610
00:40:40.530 --> 00:40:45.010
Who are you to get to say
what you're going to teach my child

611
00:40:45.010 --> 00:40:49.530
about their sexuality? That is not
you are not the ordained person to be

612
00:40:49.610 --> 00:40:52.920
able to talk about those types of
things with my child, especially a child

613
00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:55.519
who's in kindergarten. Like you know, they're too young. They're just too

614
00:40:55.559 --> 00:40:59.000
young. And what it is is
what you said last time in the last

615
00:40:59.360 --> 00:41:02.000
podcast. It is in indoctrination,
is what it is. It's grooming children,

616
00:41:02.079 --> 00:41:06.829
it's sexualizing children. Okay, will
see very, very out there.

617
00:41:06.949 --> 00:41:10.349
But the real quick though, because
this the sexualizing children and is like,

618
00:41:10.429 --> 00:41:14.909
I think that's my other shoe.
There is like this culture is very it's

619
00:41:14.909 --> 00:41:17.030
very sexually charged. Oh, it
has been for a long time, very

620
00:41:17.110 --> 00:41:21.739
sexually charged. As far as sorry, that's the we are alive. Okay,

621
00:41:21.860 --> 00:41:24.940
my phone is off. Still came
through, but that's the problem is.

622
00:41:25.219 --> 00:41:28.619
That is that, and again,
I'm not trying to say they I

623
00:41:28.659 --> 00:41:31.099
don't like that type of language and
so I apologize. But the fact is

624
00:41:31.099 --> 00:41:35.730
it's like when you look at that
Nickelodeon, and this is not blue Scloos,

625
00:41:35.769 --> 00:41:38.690
but nickelodeon had another show and it
had a transgender character. Wasn't a

626
00:41:38.730 --> 00:41:43.809
cartoon Blue Schloos was a cartoon person. Yeah, it was a transgender person

627
00:41:44.010 --> 00:41:49.599
singing a song, but they were
in a animated form. Okay, then

628
00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:52.000
the yeah, but another nickelodeon show, I don't know what and I have

629
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:53.280
no idea what show it was.
I saw only saw flip of it,

630
00:41:53.360 --> 00:41:57.920
though, but I don't know what
shows. And it was a transgender man,

631
00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:02.389
person, person, whatever, and
so, but just the dancing there,

632
00:42:02.429 --> 00:42:06.469
the way that it was, the
way they were dancing, and even

633
00:42:06.469 --> 00:42:08.949
if you look at some of the
pictures of the transgender man and women from

634
00:42:08.949 --> 00:42:13.789
the Prie Festival, don't tell me
it's not overtly sexual. Yes, don't

635
00:42:13.829 --> 00:42:16.820
tell me there's. There's no,
there's no transgender women dressing in like full

636
00:42:16.980 --> 00:42:21.739
bonnets and like full length dresses with
note would no, that's not what they're

637
00:42:21.739 --> 00:42:24.420
just hyper sexualized hypers. Yeah,
it's loud way of saying up, it's

638
00:42:24.460 --> 00:42:28.980
big hair. It's a great close. It's hyper sexualized. That's a really

639
00:42:28.980 --> 00:42:31.929
do waste. The way they talk
as sexual it's very, very much that

640
00:42:32.289 --> 00:42:36.130
correct it so and it's like,
you know what, if you're trying to

641
00:42:36.130 --> 00:42:39.090
raise your your son or daughter to
be pure right, which is hard enough

642
00:42:39.130 --> 00:42:43.289
as it is, and then you're
going to make it that much harder.

643
00:42:43.329 --> 00:42:46.519
You're just like it's anyways. There's
a whole thing there. But let me

644
00:42:46.559 --> 00:42:51.320
ask this because, full transparency,
we've not had these conversations yet with our

645
00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:53.000
kids and our girls are growing in
the fifth grade next year. So it's

646
00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:55.679
going to be coming up right,
because it's going to be more, obviously,

647
00:42:55.760 --> 00:42:59.190
going to be more and more around
them, and now they are homeschooled,

648
00:42:59.949 --> 00:43:02.469
obvious slee and I'm so grateful for
that. But same time, it's

649
00:43:02.510 --> 00:43:05.550
just going to be around and I
want to prepare them. I'm not,

650
00:43:05.670 --> 00:43:07.949
I do not want to shelter our
kids. So we've talked about this.

651
00:43:07.110 --> 00:43:12.469
It's a balance of not too early
but definitely not sheltering them, because my

652
00:43:12.590 --> 00:43:15.059
jobs a parents are trained them up
to go out into the world. I

653
00:43:15.219 --> 00:43:19.019
want my sons and daughters to be
Daniels until Jesus comes. I want them

654
00:43:19.059 --> 00:43:21.739
to be Daniels. I don't want
them to be no offense anybody here.

655
00:43:21.780 --> 00:43:23.780
I don't want them to be to
be Amish. I don't want them to

656
00:43:23.980 --> 00:43:28.650
like go out and neglect all of
culture society and go away. That's not

657
00:43:28.769 --> 00:43:30.250
what Jesus holds to do. He
said go out to all the nations and

658
00:43:30.289 --> 00:43:35.610
make disciples. You don't make disciples
inside churches, there's already disciples and churches.

659
00:43:35.769 --> 00:43:37.250
You need to go out, you
need to be a part of culture

660
00:43:37.369 --> 00:43:40.559
and society, you need to build, to operate there, but not capitulate.

661
00:43:42.239 --> 00:43:45.199
That's what Daniel did and I just
believe that. I think that's what

662
00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:47.199
Jesus told us to do and I'm
trying to raise my kids up so they

663
00:43:47.239 --> 00:43:52.280
have to understand these things that are
out there, but then my job and

664
00:43:52.320 --> 00:43:54.360
your job is to train them to
have a biblical worldview around it. So

665
00:43:55.190 --> 00:43:58.630
I'll ask you this. You.
I am again this is off the cuff.

666
00:43:58.670 --> 00:44:00.949
We have no plan here, but
I mean, what's the conversation look

667
00:44:00.989 --> 00:44:04.269
like, do you think for us? What does our conversations and look like?

668
00:44:05.150 --> 00:44:07.869
Well, I have been preparing this
in my mind and gathering resources.

669
00:44:07.989 --> 00:44:14.139
I've been listening a lot to mothers
that have gone before me and have older

670
00:44:14.219 --> 00:44:17.099
kids and how they have broached the
subject, and I'm trying to come up

671
00:44:17.179 --> 00:44:22.380
with what I think is the best
and praying through it and what I think

672
00:44:22.460 --> 00:44:24.369
is the best, and I think
probably I want to be able to have

673
00:44:24.570 --> 00:44:28.449
answers ready to go. I don't
want to be caught off guard if the

674
00:44:28.489 --> 00:44:30.329
kids come to me and say,
Hey, I heard this word or I

675
00:44:30.449 --> 00:44:34.050
heard this thing or what does this
mean? I want to have an answer

676
00:44:34.090 --> 00:44:37.929
for them. I don't want that
and never ever is the answer Oh,

677
00:44:37.010 --> 00:44:39.280
you don't need to know about that, you know or whatever. I don't

678
00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:42.320
ever want to do that. I
don't want them to be afraid to come

679
00:44:42.360 --> 00:44:44.639
and talk to me. I always
want to be open and honest with them,

680
00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:50.039
and so I think that the idea
is to just get a get a

681
00:44:50.159 --> 00:44:54.550
sense of what does your child already
know. So what do you think about?

682
00:44:54.750 --> 00:44:58.869
What does the rainbow mean, or
what does the word pride mean to

683
00:44:58.909 --> 00:45:02.269
you, or what have you heard
about this type of thing, and get

684
00:45:02.309 --> 00:45:06.269
a sense of where they are.
Maybe they heard something at church, even

685
00:45:06.309 --> 00:45:08.420
if they're homeschooled, or maybe they
saw something on TV that you didn't catch.

686
00:45:08.460 --> 00:45:15.820
I mean this stuff is in it's
in TV shows. Yeah, Youtube,

687
00:45:15.860 --> 00:45:19.739
there's it's pretty much everywhere. and
and sometimes it's so subtle, especially

688
00:45:19.780 --> 00:45:22.329
in children's TV shows. It's so
subtle that you if you're not sitting there

689
00:45:22.449 --> 00:45:25.889
literally watching every single thing that your
kids are watching, something may come up

690
00:45:25.929 --> 00:45:30.929
and they may not even know.
So I think getting a sense of what

691
00:45:30.170 --> 00:45:35.800
do they already know? And then
you're going to speak scripturely from that,

692
00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:38.760
right that? Okay, this is
what this is what these the these people

693
00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:43.159
believe, or this is what this
is, this is what they're celebrating now,

694
00:45:43.280 --> 00:45:45.119
this is what God says about this. This is what we believe.

695
00:45:45.880 --> 00:45:50.070
We are not judgmental of those people, we do not hate those people that

696
00:45:50.230 --> 00:45:52.949
we have sin as what's right.
We have. We have sin as well.

697
00:45:52.550 --> 00:45:57.150
But but God said he created as
male and female. He doesn't make

698
00:45:57.230 --> 00:46:00.630
mistakes. I'm he has a purpose
and a plan for our bodies and our

699
00:46:00.670 --> 00:46:04.269
sexuality and the way that he created
us. You know all those things and

700
00:46:04.380 --> 00:46:07.659
as Christians, wes like we need
to come under that authority of God.

701
00:46:07.820 --> 00:46:10.860
Right. And they are very our
kids are very immersed in the word of

702
00:46:10.860 --> 00:46:15.179
God. So I'd say, as
parents who are listening, if maybe you're

703
00:46:15.260 --> 00:46:17.650
not as immersed in the word as
you as you want to be, or

704
00:46:17.730 --> 00:46:21.769
maybe should be. That I'd say
that's kind of starter. But bring your

705
00:46:21.769 --> 00:46:24.289
kids along with you. That's there's
no condemntion. There's no condemning here.

706
00:46:24.449 --> 00:46:28.210
If you haven't, just be honest
and say, Hey, my depend on

707
00:46:28.250 --> 00:46:30.809
what age are right. But I
mean we started devotionals really young, like

708
00:46:30.969 --> 00:46:35.199
three years old, and obviously it's
age appropriate. And as I've gotten older

709
00:46:35.360 --> 00:46:38.199
and it's not perfect. It's not
every night and most nice ter and evotional.

710
00:46:38.239 --> 00:46:42.000
I'm getting upset at one of the
kids because they're not playing attention or

711
00:46:42.039 --> 00:46:44.719
they're going to the bathroom. Just
get up, been walking away halfway through.

712
00:46:44.840 --> 00:46:46.230
Is like I got was some water
I welcome in my life. They

713
00:46:46.269 --> 00:46:49.429
do that when I'm in the middle
of a lesson. They just get walk

714
00:46:49.469 --> 00:46:52.349
of what we're you going? So
it's not this picture perfect like we're going

715
00:46:52.429 --> 00:46:53.710
to sit there and have this perfect
also and that's all it is. But

716
00:46:53.989 --> 00:46:57.230
bring them along. Yeah, and
so I think, I think we're talking

717
00:46:57.230 --> 00:46:59.909
about that. We we're honest with
them, like we wish. I don't

718
00:46:59.909 --> 00:47:01.500
be honest, I wish the Bible
didn't say some of what it said.

719
00:47:01.500 --> 00:47:06.179
Yeah, I wish it wasn't so
clear. I wish it it would it

720
00:47:06.340 --> 00:47:08.460
fit more to culture and society,
but that's not what it is. So

721
00:47:08.780 --> 00:47:13.340
our job is to goal and love
people well, to be a light.

722
00:47:13.460 --> 00:47:17.769
We cannot be a light by being
crude or being condescending or being rude or

723
00:47:17.769 --> 00:47:22.250
putting people down or calling people names. And that is out there and I

724
00:47:22.369 --> 00:47:25.969
would not ever condone that. Just
like my friends meme on Facebook, I

725
00:47:27.409 --> 00:47:29.329
was just like hey, I don't
agree with this me and I put that

726
00:47:29.409 --> 00:47:30.440
in my comment. I love my
friend, I go but I don't agree

727
00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:34.639
with this. It was a little
bit mocking in nature towards the the gay

728
00:47:34.760 --> 00:47:37.360
community and I'm not okay with that. But the same time I go back

729
00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:40.480
to but I don't have to agree
with you to respect you. I have

730
00:47:40.519 --> 00:47:43.960
to agree with you to love you. I don't have to believe you believe

731
00:47:44.039 --> 00:47:45.670
to treat you well. I don't
have to believe what you believe to serve

732
00:47:45.710 --> 00:47:51.550
you well. That's Christianity and I
go to and Jesus was the perfect example

733
00:47:51.670 --> 00:47:53.750
of that. As like we have
we have four gospels laid out from four

734
00:47:53.829 --> 00:47:58.699
different perspectives of how Jesus did this. And you think about the woman at

735
00:47:58.699 --> 00:48:01.059
the well right, you talk about
the ultimate center of her day, so

736
00:48:01.219 --> 00:48:06.139
to speak. Right, five husbands, four divorces, and he sits there

737
00:48:06.179 --> 00:48:08.619
and he loves her right where she
is at. He goes through some area

738
00:48:08.739 --> 00:48:15.130
for the sole purpose of going to
her right who is so far away from

739
00:48:15.329 --> 00:48:19.369
the beliefs of God and honoring God
with her life, and he goes there

740
00:48:19.409 --> 00:48:22.170
and he loves on her right there. Doesn't put her down, doesn't make

741
00:48:22.210 --> 00:48:25.250
her feel bad about her past.
That's the love. That's the loving part.

742
00:48:25.329 --> 00:48:28.519
They also points out her saying,
but without I'm getting that, but

743
00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:30.239
I'm getting there, and that's the
loving part that so many Christians are getting

744
00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:32.559
hung up on. Like well,
you sot, I love everybody. That's

745
00:48:32.599 --> 00:48:37.679
right. But then how's he finished
that conversation? He's not going send no

746
00:48:37.840 --> 00:48:39.519
more right, he's just like he
points it out that he knows her sin

747
00:48:39.599 --> 00:48:44.030
and he says that so many different
conversations, like go and send no more.

748
00:48:44.550 --> 00:48:47.110
When he finishes, he forgives this
sin right where they are at.

749
00:48:47.150 --> 00:48:50.550
There's nothing I have to do,
they don't have to change anything. When

750
00:48:50.550 --> 00:48:52.469
they come to him, he forgives
them he loves them. That's our call,

751
00:48:52.789 --> 00:48:55.900
but now it's going send no more, and that's where the truth that

752
00:48:57.059 --> 00:48:59.820
comes in. Now we have to
start understand what God wants from us,

753
00:49:00.179 --> 00:49:02.380
what type of obedience he wants from
us. What is sanctification look like?

754
00:49:02.619 --> 00:49:07.500
What does edification look like? The
act of editing ourselves. Are Beliefs,

755
00:49:07.619 --> 00:49:12.130
who we are, what we did, the places we went. That's part

756
00:49:12.250 --> 00:49:15.250
of becoming set apart, not set
apart so we step out society, set

757
00:49:15.369 --> 00:49:20.090
apart, so we can go into
society and look differently and be a light

758
00:49:20.449 --> 00:49:23.440
shining up on a hill. Right. That's what that whole it's the full

759
00:49:23.559 --> 00:49:29.159
view of Christianity and we've lost so
much of that. But at the heart

760
00:49:29.320 --> 00:49:30.639
of it, I think there are
just two things that we all have to

761
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:35.039
ask ourselves, because I'm assuming there's
probably some people who are listening to this

762
00:49:35.199 --> 00:49:37.909
who either, one, don't agree
with us on this or two, they're

763
00:49:38.030 --> 00:49:42.150
kind of they're not sure right that
I kind of think it is. Love

764
00:49:42.269 --> 00:49:45.269
is love and that sounds good.
I would say two things. I'd say

765
00:49:45.349 --> 00:49:50.269
one, you have to examine if
you are just it. Is it because

766
00:49:50.349 --> 00:49:52.500
you think that you need to read? Think that just because you don't believe

767
00:49:52.619 --> 00:49:57.300
somebody believes does not mean you don't
love them, that you have to believe

768
00:49:57.340 --> 00:49:59.739
everything just like they believe to love
them. So is that? Because that's

769
00:49:59.739 --> 00:50:01.739
a that's false. Okay, so
is that? Is that where you're at?

770
00:50:01.820 --> 00:50:05.139
Or are you? Then you have
to be answer yourself. It's not

771
00:50:05.179 --> 00:50:08.010
easy. Or are you more concerned
about being liked and accepted by culture and

772
00:50:08.090 --> 00:50:13.610
society then you are for honoring God? What your worldview and your beliefs and

773
00:50:13.769 --> 00:50:15.489
those are really I didn't, I
just it might be more questions than that,

774
00:50:15.530 --> 00:50:19.010
but I think those are the two
biggest ones that we have to ask

775
00:50:19.010 --> 00:50:23.800
ourselves and again, and I say
a bonus question, is that if your

776
00:50:23.880 --> 00:50:28.239
by Ble, if the word,
if your beliefs as a Christian, or

777
00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:31.719
if the preaching in your church never
leaves you offend, it never rubs against

778
00:50:31.760 --> 00:50:36.550
you. Never, never, just
like challenges. Challenge you is like,

779
00:50:36.590 --> 00:50:38.230
you know, I don't really like
what that Pastor said, or I don't

780
00:50:38.230 --> 00:50:44.909
really like what that scripture verse said, then you're probably not interpreting scripture the

781
00:50:44.949 --> 00:50:47.710
way it should be interpreted, because
I don't know memory people were scripture.

782
00:50:47.750 --> 00:50:51.500
Does it rub against you or you
don't say if I'm being privialized. And

783
00:50:51.539 --> 00:50:52.860
listen, there's a lot of things
I was scripture didn't say, as a

784
00:50:52.900 --> 00:50:55.820
lot of things and people, and
the thing is in people do anything they

785
00:50:55.820 --> 00:50:59.500
can. And we talked about this
last time. But it's like what Jesus

786
00:50:59.579 --> 00:51:02.300
never talked about gay marriage. Right, that's that's a that's a big one.

787
00:51:04.019 --> 00:51:06.849
Okay, well one, right,
Jesus always has been. So,

788
00:51:07.170 --> 00:51:10.730
just because Jesus was not in the
Old Testament, Jesus has always been any

789
00:51:10.769 --> 00:51:15.130
beginning was the word and the world
lesson. The word was God. He

790
00:51:15.250 --> 00:51:16.489
was guide in the beginning. He's
always existed. So yes, he was

791
00:51:16.570 --> 00:51:22.719
in the Old Testament to while Jesus
doesn't speak specifically, he does a firm

792
00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:27.239
Moses right. His belief on marriage, a man and wife shall leave their

793
00:51:27.280 --> 00:51:30.559
families and cling together, as once
we affirms Moses worldview on marriage, which

794
00:51:30.639 --> 00:51:35.150
was obviously inspired by the host bear, that a man and woman should leave

795
00:51:35.190 --> 00:51:37.590
their families. And then beyond that, you go a little bit further than

796
00:51:37.590 --> 00:51:42.150
the Old Testament and repaul's writings and
it don't get much more clear than that.

797
00:51:42.550 --> 00:51:44.750
The new test me. Yeah,
and don't get much more clear than

798
00:51:44.789 --> 00:51:46.699
that. Right, you can't get
more clue than Paul got than Paul got.

799
00:51:46.980 --> 00:51:50.420
So what do people do? Well, I've heard. Well, you

800
00:51:50.500 --> 00:51:52.500
know, Paul is not authoritative,
and we said this last episode. Will

801
00:51:52.500 --> 00:51:57.300
Paul's Authority Tatup? Okay, well, now you're just you're refuting the the

802
00:51:57.900 --> 00:52:01.849
infallibility of scripture. So now it's
not all inspire, only some of its

803
00:52:01.889 --> 00:52:06.250
inspired, only portions of it,
the portions I like to fit my worldview.

804
00:52:06.570 --> 00:52:08.929
Very dangerous, a very dangerous and
it's very hard to admit that once

805
00:52:09.010 --> 00:52:13.769
you're doing it. But you know
what, I'll say this and and that

806
00:52:14.409 --> 00:52:16.960
it takes a mature and courageous person
to say, you know what, I

807
00:52:17.159 --> 00:52:21.960
was wrong. M You know what
I was. I was and it singles

808
00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:22.880
from me. Could I be I
could be wrong on this. I could

809
00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:25.079
wrong, but it's like, well, there's a lot of things I've been

810
00:52:25.199 --> 00:52:28.719
wrong on. But think about this
past year. Think about this past year

811
00:52:28.760 --> 00:52:32.309
of all the type with covid and
and the mask and the science behind it.

812
00:52:32.469 --> 00:52:36.550
Now the vaccines and all these things, and there's a lot of people

813
00:52:36.550 --> 00:52:38.949
have taken a lot of positions and
now the more and more comes out,

814
00:52:38.949 --> 00:52:43.110
you're like this just doesn't make sense. You know, I don't believe what

815
00:52:43.150 --> 00:52:45.739
I used to believe. These are
sincere people. There is nothing wrong with

816
00:52:46.019 --> 00:52:50.940
common out and saying I was wrong
about this. I don't see it like

817
00:52:51.099 --> 00:52:53.099
this anymore. Right, and that's
and that's that's what we're supposed to do

818
00:52:53.179 --> 00:52:57.179
were there is truth out there.
It is difficult, though it is.

819
00:52:57.420 --> 00:53:00.809
In order some some of these things, like you have to change your entire

820
00:53:00.010 --> 00:53:04.730
worldview. Some people have to change
your either identity to these things. Yes,

821
00:53:04.769 --> 00:53:07.530
very much so. And and it
is painful and it is hard.

822
00:53:07.570 --> 00:53:12.170
I totally get that. JP sears, when when a liberal becomes a conservative?

823
00:53:12.170 --> 00:53:15.960
Video? Yeah, right, seriously, the good one. It's funny,

824
00:53:15.960 --> 00:53:17.679
really funny. It's got some bad
words, though, does it?

825
00:53:17.719 --> 00:53:22.719
Anyways, I don't the language.
Yeah, yeah, it's just really,

826
00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:27.349
really important to know what the Bible
says and you have to actually believe what

827
00:53:27.429 --> 00:53:29.909
it says. You can't just,
you know, I oh, I like

828
00:53:30.110 --> 00:53:31.429
this part, or no, I
don't want this part, or you know

829
00:53:31.510 --> 00:53:35.070
what I mean. Like you can't
pick and choose your way through the Bible.

830
00:53:35.190 --> 00:53:39.070
And because that is not you're not
believing in God Almighty, you're believing

831
00:53:39.070 --> 00:53:43.900
in yourself. You're believing whatever it
is that you say you're deeming is truth.

832
00:53:44.019 --> 00:53:45.780
You know that that's a see like
that, but that's what's happening right

833
00:53:45.860 --> 00:53:50.460
right. But that is what's happening
your your Cherry picking through the word of

834
00:53:50.539 --> 00:53:53.139
God, and you know, because
for me, I just I don't know.

835
00:53:53.699 --> 00:53:58.409
I think that we should not be
if we know our Bible and if

836
00:53:58.489 --> 00:54:00.489
we, you know, have a
relationship with Christ and have the Holy Spirit,

837
00:54:00.530 --> 00:54:05.489
we shouldn't be confused about the things
that are happening right now. It

838
00:54:05.570 --> 00:54:09.119
should be very clear for us,
Colossians to eight says. See to it

839
00:54:09.239 --> 00:54:14.440
that no one takes you captive by
philosophy and empty to see according to human

840
00:54:14.519 --> 00:54:19.239
tradition, according to elemental spirits of
the world and not according to Christ.

841
00:54:20.480 --> 00:54:23.710
I just think that it's if we're
in the word and if we're reading the

842
00:54:23.829 --> 00:54:29.030
word of God and we believe,
you know, that it is his truth

843
00:54:29.110 --> 00:54:34.190
and it is as word, that
we have to be very clear what's happening

844
00:54:34.230 --> 00:54:37.989
right now and we shouldn't be confused
that it's wrong. We shouldn't be confused

845
00:54:37.070 --> 00:54:39.940
the things that people are saying.
We have to be able to take those

846
00:54:39.980 --> 00:54:44.860
things captive and we make them obedient
to Christ. Yeah, yeah, I

847
00:54:44.940 --> 00:54:47.579
know, I agree. I agree, and so I think that, you

848
00:54:47.659 --> 00:54:51.300
know, we're start to wrap this
episode and start to land this plane,

849
00:54:51.380 --> 00:54:52.769
but it's going to we're going to
have to talk about it with our kids.

850
00:54:52.809 --> 00:54:57.409
We're going to have to and I'll
just say there's again, to summarize

851
00:54:57.449 --> 00:55:00.130
it as simply as possible, for
some takeaways, I think when we need

852
00:55:00.170 --> 00:55:02.130
to have the conversations with our kids, I think to we have to be

853
00:55:02.329 --> 00:55:06.289
in the word. We have to
be in the work together as a family.

854
00:55:06.570 --> 00:55:07.280
You have to be in the word
as a mom, as a dad,

855
00:55:07.400 --> 00:55:10.719
to lead your family and you have
to wrestle with it. You have

856
00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:15.960
to Booin the let it change you
and sculpt you and let the Holy Spirit

857
00:55:15.039 --> 00:55:19.599
do his work in your life,
sanctify you and edify you. And if

858
00:55:19.840 --> 00:55:22.389
you hold a belief that is antithetical
to the word of God, it's okay

859
00:55:22.429 --> 00:55:25.829
to admit that, it's okay to
repent of that, and so okay say

860
00:55:25.869 --> 00:55:30.469
hey, I was wrong about this. Doesn't mean you don't love somebody and

861
00:55:30.630 --> 00:55:31.909
you don't have to agree with them
to love them. You don't have to

862
00:55:31.989 --> 00:55:35.469
hold the same belief to love them, to serve them, to treat them

863
00:55:35.510 --> 00:55:39.340
well, to accept them by means
of saying that you can be saved right

864
00:55:39.380 --> 00:55:43.780
where you are, are welcomed in
the church. Jesus does love you right

865
00:55:43.780 --> 00:55:49.340
where you are at, but not
say that Jesus condones that sin. There's

866
00:55:49.340 --> 00:55:52.289
a difference. God Is Holy,
Jesus is God. God Is Holy.

867
00:55:52.690 --> 00:55:57.730
A Holy God cannot be in the
presence of sin. So just because we

868
00:55:57.849 --> 00:56:00.690
have grace does mean we just go
on sinning and say that's okay because of

869
00:56:00.809 --> 00:56:05.199
grace. That loses who God is, the immutability of God, the truth

870
00:56:05.280 --> 00:56:08.280
of God as a judge right as
the same yesterday, today and forever.

871
00:56:08.320 --> 00:56:13.360
We lose that side of it.
And so there's a discernment there that only

872
00:56:13.440 --> 00:56:17.480
comes by the power of the Holy
Spirit. And so, and I hate

873
00:56:17.630 --> 00:56:22.030
interlude, this is live. We
are still in our church, as I

874
00:56:22.070 --> 00:56:25.269
said, and we have our band
rehearsing for tomorrow's service. So if you

875
00:56:25.389 --> 00:56:29.590
hear that in the background, we're
sorry. So our life, that's right,

876
00:56:29.630 --> 00:56:34.019
it's real life. We are alive
doing it lave. So, but

877
00:56:34.260 --> 00:56:36.900
you know, I think the only
thing that's been a fun episode and just

878
00:56:36.980 --> 00:56:39.219
had again. These are conversations that
my wife and are having and we're going,

879
00:56:39.340 --> 00:56:44.380
we're working through to you know exactly, and we're trying, we're trying

880
00:56:44.420 --> 00:56:46.769
our best to figure out how to
navigate this in a loving way, because

881
00:56:46.809 --> 00:56:51.010
it is you do get frustrate.
We're human too, right. We get

882
00:56:51.090 --> 00:56:52.809
frustraate, we get like, how
is this happening or what's going on?

883
00:56:53.010 --> 00:56:55.130
And we don't want to be labeled
and we don't we don't want to be

884
00:56:55.170 --> 00:56:58.570
labeled and I don't want to be
thought of as hateful, as I don't

885
00:56:58.570 --> 00:57:00.329
think that I'm a hateful person.
Am I perfect? Absolutely not. I

886
00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:05.960
think everybody has a tendency to be
judgmental sometimes or to have, you know,

887
00:57:06.079 --> 00:57:07.960
certain feelings or whatever, and we
have to come under Christ and those

888
00:57:08.119 --> 00:57:14.000
and repent of those things. All
of us do so, anyways. But

889
00:57:14.280 --> 00:57:15.349
yeah, this, but, but, you know, again, this has

890
00:57:15.389 --> 00:57:19.550
been fun. I hope we can
do more of these episodes. I say,

891
00:57:19.590 --> 00:57:22.269
I would just I was just end
it with this. Is that,

892
00:57:22.590 --> 00:57:24.510
you know, come out current events. I heard a thing. This is

893
00:57:24.550 --> 00:57:28.110
where cultures at right. So again, we have to be we cannot separate

894
00:57:28.110 --> 00:57:30.900
ourselves from culture. We have to
be able to function in culture. We

895
00:57:30.980 --> 00:57:34.780
have to build raise kids who can
function in culture and and hold to Christ

896
00:57:34.900 --> 00:57:37.300
no matter what. Right, but
not capitulate, and they need to understand

897
00:57:37.300 --> 00:57:40.619
that they're going to be pushed back
against right. I think it's really important.

898
00:57:40.619 --> 00:57:44.059
It's come to my attention that,
you know, the Bible talks about

899
00:57:44.059 --> 00:57:46.489
so much. When you stand on
the on the foundation of Christ and when

900
00:57:46.530 --> 00:57:51.849
you hold to the biblical truth,
you are going to be persecuted in one

901
00:57:52.010 --> 00:57:53.889
former another. You're going to be
labeled, you're going to be called these

902
00:57:53.929 --> 00:57:58.760
names and social outcast, social outcast. It's going to happen. Well,

903
00:57:58.880 --> 00:58:01.039
you know, it's interesting. They
we've gone so America, such an amazing

904
00:58:01.119 --> 00:58:06.840
country, is that we've never it's
never really been here like this, right,

905
00:58:07.079 --> 00:58:08.280
I mean. But all around the
world, though, it's like,

906
00:58:08.519 --> 00:58:12.639
yeah, that's called that's hold being
a Christian, right, I mean real

907
00:58:12.719 --> 00:58:16.789
persecution. So this is a form
of persecution and it's going to come here

908
00:58:16.829 --> 00:58:20.710
and it is here now. We're
just facing it. But one story I

909
00:58:20.750 --> 00:58:25.150
saw was Burger King, who,
by the way, working you're completely irrelevant.

910
00:58:25.150 --> 00:58:29.300
I mean just like you had a
chance twelve years ago, you're like

911
00:58:29.340 --> 00:58:30.980
number two and now, like it's
a burger king, no where, nobody,

912
00:58:31.019 --> 00:58:34.179
only, only, only people eat
a breaking now is when, like

913
00:58:34.300 --> 00:58:37.619
it's like you've haven't eaten in twelve
hours and you're desperate and there's a burger

914
00:58:37.659 --> 00:58:39.219
king. They're like, I guess
that's the only place a little burger must

915
00:58:39.260 --> 00:58:44.769
love burn nobody. No, Burg
you're not relevant more anyways. But they

916
00:58:44.849 --> 00:58:46.610
came out and did a thing where, because we know where chick fil a

917
00:58:46.730 --> 00:58:50.929
stands, right, chick fil a, who is the number one fast food

918
00:58:51.210 --> 00:58:53.730
restaurant, or whatever they call coward
they call it only to call fast food,

919
00:58:53.769 --> 00:58:58.079
but fast food restaurant in the world
that closed every Sunday. So they

920
00:58:58.119 --> 00:59:00.719
go six business days in the number
one. That being said, Burger King

921
00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:05.880
came out and they said that for
every chicken sandwich that you buy from them,

922
00:59:05.920 --> 00:59:07.400
they're going to take a portion of
those proceeds and send it to a

923
00:59:07.599 --> 00:59:15.550
pro lgbtq pus organization. So that's
a direct attack, obviously, on chick

924
00:59:15.670 --> 00:59:17.670
fil a, right. And so
that's that's where we're at. You,

925
00:59:17.789 --> 00:59:21.909
I mean that's where we're at.
And so again, I think, does

926
00:59:21.949 --> 00:59:23.940
that mean that Christians shouldn't eat a
burger key? No, not necessarily.

927
00:59:23.980 --> 00:59:27.659
If you have that conviction, then
no, you shouldn't. But if you

928
00:59:27.820 --> 00:59:30.739
don't, okay, like go,
you're burking like it's not a sin,

929
00:59:30.860 --> 00:59:35.420
you know. But at the same
time I do think that we need to

930
00:59:35.460 --> 00:59:37.730
be willing to say, you know
what, that's fine. If again,

931
00:59:37.730 --> 00:59:43.489
because you understand right, your world's
right now, for Culture Society comes from

932
00:59:43.530 --> 00:59:45.650
Big Tech, all right. First
and foremost, it's big tech, it

933
00:59:45.889 --> 00:59:51.610
is the mainstream media, it is
academia, who is coming up with things

934
00:59:51.650 --> 00:59:55.800
like CRT and sixteen nineteen project and
critical race the right. Are All these

935
00:59:55.880 --> 01:00:00.519
things right, fragility, these are
all come from academics or academia is coming

936
01:00:00.559 --> 01:00:05.199
up with a lot of these things. And then obviously Hollywood and athletics,

937
01:00:05.559 --> 01:00:08.630
okay, all hold the same ideology. And so we're going to have to

938
01:00:08.670 --> 01:00:13.230
build a function out in that world. But we cannot capitulate. But there's

939
01:00:13.230 --> 01:00:17.110
a way to do it with love
and respect and service and and where our

940
01:00:17.309 --> 01:00:22.900
actions speak louder, right, and
our actions should speak for us to the

941
01:00:22.019 --> 01:00:25.940
content of our character and who we
are as people, the fruit that we

942
01:00:27.139 --> 01:00:30.380
bear. And if somebody's going to
say your close minded or or a bigot

943
01:00:30.500 --> 01:00:35.809
or all those things because you don't
agree with them, then whose fault does

944
01:00:35.849 --> 01:00:38.289
that really who's really the close minded
person. But you have to be willing

945
01:00:38.329 --> 01:00:42.489
to be uncomfortable, because it's not
comfortable and I want to be liked,

946
01:00:42.730 --> 01:00:45.090
I want to have I just that's
in all of us. But you have

947
01:00:45.130 --> 01:00:49.409
to get to a place where what
God thinks of you right and your life,

948
01:00:49.489 --> 01:00:52.639
honor and God is more important than
honoring culture and society and fitting in

949
01:00:52.760 --> 01:00:54.880
and blending in. Yeah, you
don't stand before I mean at the end

950
01:00:54.880 --> 01:00:58.920
of the of your life, you
stand before God and you give an account

951
01:00:58.920 --> 01:01:00.400
of it. But that's being real
conviction. That's gonna have to be a

952
01:01:00.519 --> 01:01:04.550
real conviction of people these and I
don't think it's ever quite been as real,

953
01:01:04.590 --> 01:01:07.309
least in America, as it is
today. You're that's gonna to be

954
01:01:07.429 --> 01:01:10.230
a real conviction to have the courage
to say no, I don't believe that.

955
01:01:10.550 --> 01:01:15.710
Yeah, sorry to draw some hard
lines and it's you know, it's

956
01:01:15.789 --> 01:01:17.469
not easy, but we have to
do it. I think that you just

957
01:01:17.579 --> 01:01:22.179
feel the burden more and more and
more the longer this thing plays out in

958
01:01:22.260 --> 01:01:24.659
the more it plays out you,
you just kind of see like okay,

959
01:01:25.539 --> 01:01:28.340
we have to raise it. It's
going to be what it is and with

960
01:01:28.460 --> 01:01:31.019
a train up children who have that
courage. And in order for our children

961
01:01:31.059 --> 01:01:34.289
have the courage, we got a
model that for them. Yeah, and

962
01:01:34.329 --> 01:01:37.090
we gotta, we gotta, we
gotta train them up, and that I

963
01:01:37.170 --> 01:01:38.250
hate. It's going to take courage. And this is who you are.

964
01:01:38.369 --> 01:01:42.809
You are a man or a woman
of God. You can discern this world.

965
01:01:42.929 --> 01:01:45.489
You can go out and you can
find the balance of grace and truth

966
01:01:45.730 --> 01:01:49.280
because you have the Holy Spirit.
So you can knock, capitulate, you

967
01:01:49.400 --> 01:01:52.880
can be obedient to God, you
can list sanctified and edified, you can

968
01:01:52.960 --> 01:01:57.320
be set apart, but also go
in and love people and be a light,

969
01:01:57.400 --> 01:02:00.079
so people can relate to you and
they see something different and you,

970
01:02:00.159 --> 01:02:04.070
like you can do that. But
Mom, Dad, you start with you.

971
01:02:04.269 --> 01:02:06.710
They're looking at you. Be that
man, be that woman, and

972
01:02:06.909 --> 01:02:09.550
then train up the next generation to
do that, and that's where hope comes

973
01:02:09.590 --> 01:02:14.710
from until Jesus comes back. That's
that's our that's what we're doing. Go

974
01:02:14.949 --> 01:02:16.579
read the story of Daniel, go
with the story of Joseph, of then

975
01:02:16.659 --> 01:02:20.619
read the Gospels, and then I'm
some Paul, and then go out there

976
01:02:20.659 --> 01:02:22.500
and and do all that. All
right, all right, all right,

977
01:02:23.059 --> 01:02:27.300
I think that's it. That's that's
enough. We've we're gone over an hour

978
01:02:27.539 --> 01:02:30.090
and it's been fun. We have
background music, we have all this stuff.

979
01:02:30.130 --> 01:02:31.889
We have a few edits that we
have to make. So of it

980
01:02:31.929 --> 01:02:37.130
seems chopping a couple spots. It's
because I heard like drumming all of a

981
01:02:37.170 --> 01:02:38.690
sudden I had to stop it.
Then we're what were just saying? I

982
01:02:38.730 --> 01:02:44.170
don't know. And so listen,
this is real. So produce. Aaron

983
01:02:44.170 --> 01:02:46.320
will work as magic the best he
can, but listen. We appreciate you,

984
01:02:46.480 --> 01:02:50.880
guys. This has been fun and
we're hoping to do this more often.

985
01:02:50.960 --> 01:02:52.599
It's something POPs up, we'll pop
in here. Hopefully they will always

986
01:02:52.599 --> 01:02:55.239
be an hour, but we get
to talk in and these are just conversations

987
01:02:55.280 --> 01:02:59.070
that we want to have. We
are going to come back with our regular

988
01:02:59.070 --> 01:03:00.869
episodes coming up. I'm not quite
sure when I need to start working on

989
01:03:00.989 --> 01:03:05.750
content, but I think, and
this is news to Kate, but I

990
01:03:05.789 --> 01:03:07.869
think I'm going to come back and
do a two part. We want to

991
01:03:07.869 --> 01:03:10.269
do a two part on what it
means to be a biblical man or biblical

992
01:03:10.309 --> 01:03:14.420
manhood and Biblical womanhood, and so
I think that would be fun to do

993
01:03:14.619 --> 01:03:16.579
and what a scripture really say and
what does it mean for us as man

994
01:03:16.659 --> 01:03:19.820
and women? So will do it
one as one for men, one for

995
01:03:19.900 --> 01:03:22.940
women, and that's I think that'll
be our next couple episodes, the more

996
01:03:23.059 --> 01:03:27.650
formal ones, and then hopefully,
if s stuff comes up and we're able

997
01:03:27.650 --> 01:03:30.530
to record, we'll pop in and
have some of these. So the greatest

998
01:03:30.570 --> 01:03:35.250
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999
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1000
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1001
01:03:44.400 --> 01:03:46.840
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1003
01:03:52.079 --> 01:03:55.309
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1009
01:04:15.260 --> 01:04:17.539
to be pushed. Right correct correct. So it's gonna have to be organic.

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But you know, if you,
if you would do that, leaves

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a rating review. It helps,
it helps others put eyes on us.

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And you know, I'll end with
this. We are coming up on a

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year of our podcast, which is
incredible, and I heard, I heard

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it's today talking about you know,
Eugene Peterson and who is a pastor,

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wrote a ton of books, just
brilliant, and he had this this term

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long obedience in the same direction when
it came to his life and teaching the

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word of God and being a being
a pastor, and I just talked about

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that. I go you know it. That's where success comes from, you

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01:04:50.360 --> 01:04:55.110
know, and more and more like
it's long obedience in the same direction and

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that you just keep being faithful with
where you're at, where you're at,

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01:04:58.510 --> 01:05:01.190
we're at, and all as one
day you're like a quote unquote, overnight

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success. You know, you look
at Amazon, and I don't condone,

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I'm that time with the ethics of
the company or thing like that, or

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Jeff Bezos, but just like from
a purely stock from a stock market,

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but from their stock for twenty years, twenty empty years, their stock was

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01:05:16.539 --> 01:05:20.690
garbage. Right and he's kept going, kept going, kept going. Ninety

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01:05:20.849 --> 01:05:25.210
three percent. It's now. It's
not the largest, second largest market cap

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01:05:25.329 --> 01:05:28.769
in the world, behind apple,
I think, or whatever. Not Seven

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01:05:28.809 --> 01:05:31.849
Years Ninety three percent of their value
as a stock has come in, but

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01:05:31.969 --> 01:05:35.519
for twenty years nothing. For Twenty
Years Nothing. So you think about if

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01:05:35.559 --> 01:05:39.719
you were Jeff Bezos of your people
who invested in Amazon. But, like

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you know, you keep going,
you keep going, you keep going and

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all of a sudden a break happens
or you you know, whatever happens,

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something changes and all of a sudden
you're a success, but you're not success

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01:05:49.070 --> 01:05:53.789
overnight. And so, you know, I think that that's just put on

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01:05:53.869 --> 01:05:56.230
my heart and a kate now and
continue to do this for as long as

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we can. Well, and we're
not trying to be like success, but

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that's the point. That's the point. We're just trying to glorify God and

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01:06:01.389 --> 01:06:04.139
what we say, and I know
that that people are, other people are

1040
01:06:04.219 --> 01:06:08.900
wrestling with these things the same way
that we are and we're just trying to

1041
01:06:08.900 --> 01:06:12.659
figure this out. As you know, living in this world and and dealing

1042
01:06:12.739 --> 01:06:15.659
with marriage and kids and how to
navigate all those things that we want to

1043
01:06:15.659 --> 01:06:18.889
be able to share our heart with
people, because this is a burden on

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01:06:19.010 --> 01:06:24.170
our heart families and marriage and those
types of things. So if, you

1045
01:06:24.289 --> 01:06:27.730
know, if it isn't ever successful
or it doesn't grow or whatever, if

1046
01:06:27.769 --> 01:06:30.889
there's only a small portion of people
that listen, then that is what it

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is, because these are conversations we're
having. Yeah, right, these things

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01:06:33.880 --> 01:06:38.119
were talking about, and so I
think that's a that's usually good signed to.

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It's like if you're doing something that
you'd be doing any ways. So

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01:06:41.320 --> 01:06:44.199
we're just making it public. That's
all we're really doing. I mean,

1051
01:06:44.239 --> 01:06:45.760
you're talking, these are conversations we
be having any ways, things to be

1052
01:06:45.800 --> 01:06:49.389
talking about anyways. Then then that
she's your good sign right there. You're

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01:06:49.389 --> 01:06:51.949
probably doing it for the right reason. So, but that mean said,

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01:06:51.989 --> 01:06:55.909
we do want to grow, and
so we'd be so grateful if you can

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01:06:56.030 --> 01:06:59.869
buy some other people. And so, yeah, coming up on a year,

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it's pretty fun. Seventeen episodes in
and I think we celebrate a year

1057
01:07:02.460 --> 01:07:04.980
like on the twenty nine or someone
that this month. So it's pretty cool.

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See. Thank you for your support. Go Out, be great.

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01:07:09.460 --> 01:07:12.659
MOM's, be great, DAD's,
husband's wives, be a light for Christ,

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01:07:13.380 --> 01:07:16.090
raise up disciples. Send them out
into culture society to be a light

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01:07:16.449 --> 01:07:20.409
and to live out the God given
purpose. And and let's show what real

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01:07:20.489 --> 01:07:25.250
love looks like as a church.
So okay, we will see you soon.

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God bless you. Thank you again
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