Jaguars Happy Hour | Biggest Question Marks Coming Out of Week 2 Loss in Denver

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Speaker 1: It is Monday, September 21st.
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Speaker 2: This is Jaguars Happy Hour.
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Speaker 3: You know, like, at least nobody's cleats got melted off. Kainane Stephens.
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Speaker 2: Oh, it wasn't too toasty in Denver, but unfortunately the Jaguars did not get a win on the road in week two. Welcome in. I'm Kanani Stevens. Four Jaguars happy hour presented by Jet Home Loans. A lot to talk about today. We're in the Hyundai Studios coming up. Presented by Deep Eddy Vodka, handcrafted with real fruit. Proud partner of the Jacksonville Jaguars. There was a letdown at Mile High. It was a game last year that we felt like was a statement win for this team. And we know they can win out there, but they weren't able to get it done. And a lot of it was just seemed like things were out of sync. Nothing quite came together. The first half was a little tough. And then the second half. They really couldn't get anything going. We will keep it real with you as we talk about the defensive substitutions and what they're kind of working at. Also, what's going on with Travis Hunter. And we will answer your fan questions because there were a lot of them after this game, and rightfully so. So I'm going to welcome in former Jaguars defensive end Austin Lane. Pete Prisco is with us as well, CBS senior sports writer. And Jaguars got out to an early lead, couldn't quite close things off. And Pete, what was the tape looking like for you? I can't imagine that was a very fun rewatch.
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Speaker 3: Well, the offensive line had a rough go of it. I mean, a week ago they were good. This week they were bad. If you had to sum that up as a group, they were bad. And particularly bad was the right guard. Ezra Cleveland was not very good. I thought the center was average at best. The left guard struggled, you know, for the first time. He made a couple of good blocks, but he also struggled a little bit. And Van Landen wasn't as good. So as a whole, I was disappointed in the offensive line. I think defensively, where is the pressure? And I know Bo Nix gets the ball out quick, but you got it. You got two high price defensive end. Those guys got to start getting to the quarterback and we'll talk more about that. But I think as a whole, a couple of things bother me. The offensive line bothered me. The fact that Tootin still doesn't get enough carries bothers me. And why, you know, they went to, they went to Rodriguez on the goal line after he ran down there. Now somebody had mentioned maybe there was some cramping or something, who knows, but but he was in the next play. And then the defensive line, you got to get home. You got to get home.
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Speaker 2: Austin, what are the big problem areas for you?
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Speaker 1: Well, obviously, you know, being a defensive lineman myself, that's where you start, right? And if you go back to that game, 16 of the 17 passes that Bo Nix threw where the Jaguars rushed four or less, that's not good. That's not getting home, right? And I remember in the past we talk about Okay, well, they didn't get interior pressure. They didn't get outside pressure. So you have to manufacture stuff with blitzes and everything. Well, going 16 for 17 with rushing four or less, like that... And I understand, like, okay, it's not the Cleveland offensive line, right? It's not a makeshift offensive line featuring five new players like these Broncos that they played together before, right? So you expected them to be better. But at the same time, you have two bookends at your disposal in Trayvon Walker and Josh Hines-Allen, right? You have Eric Armstead now who... by all indications, is back at full strength, right? And, you know, Devon Hamilton's more of that run guy, but you also have the depth purposes where it's like you can bring guys in for that interior pressure as well. You didn't really see a lot of it yesterday, and that's where it starts. And listen, it's one of the most cliche things in football, but it's the truth. It starts in the trenches. And in terms of defensive line, not enough pressure. In terms of offensive line, in terms of running the football, I thought Tootin did... best with what he had right but i think it's really telling when we're talking about a lot of these runs are based off of stretches and tosses and quarterback options as opposed to just playing smash mouth football and running you know but between the tackles between the guards because they're not doing that and maybe that's going to be a telling sign now because last week against cleveland they didn't really do that either so is that going to be an issue going forward in terms of getting that push getting you know enforcing your will if you if if you're talking about the running the football, or is this going to be more of a speed team, not necessarily a physical team where you got to bounce everything outside now.
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Speaker 2: He was the run blocking as bad as the past.
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Speaker 3: Um, no, but the past blocking had times where it was really bad. And I mean, it was bad. I mean, and here's the other thing about, you know, like, we got to slow down just a little bit because they were on the road with a 10 point lead against a supposed Superbowl team. You know, that they, if they score and make it 17, three, I think they win that game. But so we, we are picking them apart, but there's reason for it. And justifiably. So there were not a lot of pretty things on Sunday and, you know, starts with like, like Austin said, it starts in the trenches. They, they were beat on both, both lines. I thought on Sunday, And I.
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Speaker 2: Think we are going to be critical today. It's what we do, but this would have been a win, even if they were able to get it out and grind out a win where we would have said they played badly and found a way to win. Like there's a lot of question marks that kind of got brought up. And when you bring up the trenches for me, it flashbacked a little bit to last year, when you're looking at that bills game where they're getting zero pressure. And then the secondary starts getting exposed for explosives. When there was a, for whatever count used for explosives, there was a lot of them in this game and they were able to, you know, they got the interception in the first half where Jordan Lewis kind of makes up for it after there's three huge plays chunk plays in a row. But this is something we've seen before that they said they addressed, you know, they're healthy. That was, we saw, you know, you mentioned Eric Armstead who has a great training camp. And then as soon as the game start, you don't see much of anything. Austin is kind of frustrating when you feel like they said they addressed an issue and now it seems to be a similar issue. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And listen, it's just not just a defensive line standpoint, because if you look at that game yesterday, tell me like, who played well, like who, who really like stood out, you know, like I think you say Parker Washington, obviously given the targets that he had, but, and by the way, it's not a one, a one B one C wide receiver room anymore. Like, like yesterday it was evident. Like you're, you aren't really game planning based off who you're playing. Parker Washington is the one receiver. I mean, I think Trevor Lawrence showed that in terms of throwing into, you know, coverage when it was clearly wasn't there and trying to force the ball to Parker. Like, Parker Washington is slowly becoming the true number one wide receiver. So take that for how you want.
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Speaker 3: I think to, you know, well, Brian Thomas can't be a one by the way, Austin, Brian Thomas can't be a number one wide receiver because he doesn't go up and get the ball. He doesn't catch the ball.
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Speaker 2: Sure.
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Speaker 3: I mean, there were three, two drops and he's got it. And the one where he was one-on-one with Sertan, go over the top of them and make a play on the ball. You might get a pass interference. You might catch it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I mean, those are two plays. This is a drop. That's a drop. And then he had the drop on the sideline. I mean, you got to catch these balls. That one wasn't a drop. There's a drop on the sideline where he drops it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I feel like he kind of jumps for no reason as well. Like, you don't have to leave your feet to make that play. You know, we saw him go out. And once again, I'm not trying to make up excuses, right? Because you have to catch that football. We saw him go out a little bit against Cleveland. I think it was a shoulder thing. And I think last year it was a shoulder thing as well. I'm not sure if it was the same shoulder or not, but is this starting to be a thing now where it's like, all right, if I have kind of a shoulder thing, mentally that's going to get to me a little bit. Now all of a sudden I'm jumping when I shouldn't be jumping. I'm dropping balls I should be catching. Is this going to be an ongoing thing now, I guess?
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Speaker 3: For their sake, they better hope not because they need him. And the one down the field with Sertan, that's just feel of the position. Like a veteran who understands that position goes over the top of him and tries to get his hands on the other side of him to make the play or get the call. You probably get the call in that situation. So that like if they're teaching him today, put that on and show him, you got to make an effort to get over the top of that defender, get the ball, get your hands on it. You probably, you might catch it or you're going to get an interference call. He didn't either.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Especially because we talked so much about they, they call PI quite a bit. We saw a PI call on Travis Hunter late in this game. And if you find a way to, you know, cause you can't catch every ball. Listen, that's it's Patrick Sertan. Let's not like, like there's a reason he's one of the best.
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Speaker 3: Defense, but get over the top of them here.
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Speaker 2: Like you can make it fight.
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Speaker 3: Through him more to get your hands over the top. Look, fight through it, fight through it. It's not, he's reaching around them, go over the top of them, you know? And like, I think it was over the top of them. He catches it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And I'm far from being like, let's find this silver lining in this game and everything like that because there is a lot to break down. There is a lot in terms of holding players accountable. But when you look at, okay, you have the drops, right? You had first and goal from the three that you couldn't convert. You had a missed field goal. You gave up a lot of explosive plays to Jalen Waddle. I don't think you had one explosive play in the second half. And you couple all those things, lack of pass rush. You lost to a pretty good Broncos team by seven points in their home. which is a really tough place to play. Like, I don't know if that's really a silver lining or not, but I think it speaks volumes in terms of how bad it looked. I think for the Jaguar, especially in that second half, how it was, you know, it was a battle till the end of the game.
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Speaker 3: And here's, we got to get into the Travis Hunter situation too.
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Speaker 2: Of course.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
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Speaker 2: Because there's some, I don't know what's going on there either. We're going to talk about snap count splits and hockey shifts, as you like to say, Pete, for the second.
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Speaker 3: Well, there was a hockey shift on the defensive line in the second series too, by the way.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but Pete, once again, man, like the defensive line is one thing, but when we're hockey shifting the secondary. I'm not sure what that's about.
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Speaker 3: But Austin, they hockey shifted the defensive line after they were on the field for a grand total of three plays on the first series. Sure. All right.
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Speaker 2: Let's take a look at the DB snap count because this is one of the things that we're trying to kind of figure out. Obviously, the safeties are on the field pretty much entirely. Antonio Johnson and Eric Murray, they're out there pretty much 100% of the time. But Monteric Brown, Travis Hunter, and Jarrion Jones, it's kind of a split. Sort of Monterey Brown had 49. So he led. And then Travis Hunter had 37. Jarion Jones had 39. Travis Hunter played 60%.
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Speaker 3: Where's Jordan Lewis on that?
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah. Jordan Lewis had 32.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: 52%.
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Speaker 2: So it's kind of those four.
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah.
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Speaker 3: Here's the problem guys. You got a defensive back slash wide receiver who play, what do you play? Seven snaps on offense.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Sticks and a special teams.
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Speaker 1: So the, yeah.
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Speaker 3: So the unicorn played 43 snaps out of 120. I think it was.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: So he's, he's only playing a third of the snaps. That isn't good enough for what you traded up to go get him for. He's got to be on the field for every snap on defense.
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Speaker 1: Everyone.
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Speaker 3: That's decided. I wouldn't have any rotation. Unless his knee is bothering him or something, it doesn't sound like it is. If it were, then I could understand it. But if he's healthy, 100% healthy, why in the hell is he not on the field on every snap?
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Speaker 1: And, and I'm with you here too, Pete, because that Cleveland game, I guess that should have been the indicator because how they rotated that Cleveland game might be the plan going forward. And granted, they actually, they rotated last year with Travis Hunter, but I thought that was more based on like, all right, he's still learning the game, right? Like he, they're trying to acclimate him and everything, play in both ways. So like they'll, they'll bring them along accordingly. I think that was going to be the game plan and the Cleveland game. What was the blowout? Right. So, okay, let's, let's keep, keep guys healthy, get them ready for Denver and everything and rotate guys in. It was more of the same yesterday. And I agree with you. When you have a guy which I feel like is your best lockdown corner, and he's not out there for the meaningful reps when you need him out there, what's the point? You know, and.
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Speaker 1: If it is an injury, which maybe they're trying to ease him back, but then do him a favor and tell everybody that's the case, right? Because right now you're not doing yourself any service by not saying what's going on with Travis Hunter. There's no gamesmanship. It's not like the Patriots are watching film and being like, oh, well, we got to worry about Travis Hunter. He's like, no, because with all due respect to Travis Hunter, he hasn't really done enough yet to warrant being a quote-unquote game breaker and an offensive coordinator. He hasn't done really anything.
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Speaker 3: I mean, he's a good cover guy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: He's a good cover guy who hasn't really made any game, you know, saving plays or anything. Think about the plays in the first two games. Which plays, Dick, can you remember that he stood out on?
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Speaker 2: Any?
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Speaker 1: Not really.
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Speaker 3: What's the one that stands out? The pass interference penalty. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Pete, how does he look on film when he is playing?
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Speaker 3: He's got to be... Oh, he's a good cover guy. He's a naturally gifted cover player. And he's got to... But that's why he's got to be on the field. What did I say about the receivers at one point?
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Speaker 1: I was just going to bring.
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Speaker 3: Then we moved on to the defensive backs.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: That there's going to be too many.
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Speaker 1: Mouths to feed. I was just going to bring this up.
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Speaker 3: And eventually it's going to become a problem.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: And so when you went after the game, they went and asked Travis about it, and he didn't say it was a problem, but you could kind of read between the lines of his answer. He wants to be on the field the whole time, and he should be. So what do you do to compensate for that? Who isn't on the field? That's the question. Because let's just assume he's on for every snap, like a real good corner should be. Then who comes off? Or if you want to rotate those guys around, rotate those guys.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, if you want to rotate Monteiro, you want to rotate, you know, Lewis, you want to rotate... Jorian, Jorian. Yeah, Jorian Jones, whoever, yeah.
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Speaker 3: You want to rotate those guys, rotate those guys.
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Speaker 1: He has to be out there at all times.
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Speaker 3: What was Ransaw's... Ransaw didn't have any snaps on Sunday, right?
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Speaker 1: He didn't have.
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Speaker 2: Ransaw had seven snaps on defense. How many? And then he played special teams.
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Speaker 1: Seven.
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Speaker 2: And then he played on special teams. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the week before, he had like 30-something.
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Speaker 1: This is... So... This is going to be an ongoing thing, I think. It's a weird.
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Speaker 3: It's a weird.
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Speaker 3: Switching around like that to me. Hunter should be on all the time. And if you want to rotate over there, that's fine. And you got to remember, there's justification for some of the moves. Monteric Brown got paid. He's got to be on the field. They're going to keep him on the field.
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Speaker 2: I'm saying if you're not going to play.
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Speaker 3: There were busts on Sunday.
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Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. if you're not going to play him full time on defense right now, which they're not, why can't you use them on offense a little bit more is just, they don't trust him. I'm confused.
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Speaker 1: Here's what I'm gonna say to that guy. If they start using him more on offense and then I'm watching Jalen Waddle go for a hundred plus yards, I'm going to be like, Oh, okay. So you want to use them as a wide receiver when you have wide receivers, it seems like, but defense is getting, you know, giving up the big plays and everything. Why wouldn't use them full time over there? Like, I almost feel like you have to walk before you can run. And right now they have to walk in terms of getting him all the reps on defense because he is the best cover corner.
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Speaker 2: It just feels a bit wishy-washy.
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Speaker 3: And when you trade up to get him, yeah, and when you trade up to get him, what are they saying, guys? They're saying, okay, well, we got ourselves. They said he got a unicorn. He's going to change the game.
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Speaker 1: He's going to change the game.
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Speaker 3: Well, then it went from, well, he might not play as much offense, but he's going to be our shutdown corner. Well, if he's your shutdown corner... he's got to be on the field for every snap.
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Speaker 1: And, and listen, and they can't have it both ways. And they, they haven't addressed the sports entertainment aspect.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: And yes, Travis Hunter is bringing a lot more eyes that he's here in Jacksonville and it's a lot more hype and all that stuff. But there's a counterbalance to that. When you start losing football games, like you lost in Denver, then people will start asking the question, well, where's Travis Hunter? Right. And then, He's a player. He's going to hear it, right? And this is a guy who you essentially rolled out the red carpet when he got here. Like, you traded what you traded to get him here. You hyped up and said, he's going to be the game changer. So then how is he supposed to feel if he's not even getting full snaps on defense? He's playing sparingly on offense. Like, if you're him, then how do you feel about it?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you. I think there's... I understood week one maybe getting them back in, but you're on the road in week two against a really good team. You've got to keep them on the field the whole game, on defense. And if you're worried about the other guys, well, then they need to sort it out. If you want to rotate those guys, okay. But at some point, you've got to settle on three. And then if you're going to play four, then they all play. But the way his snap count was limited, I don't like that at all. His snap count should be like what Antonio Johnson's snap count is.
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Speaker 2: 100%.
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Speaker 3: 100%.
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Speaker 2: All right, much more to break down from this game when we return. We'll talk a bit about the pass rush, how they couldn't get home, and also the O-line issues. This is Jaguars Happy Hour presented by Jet Home Loans. Week 3's matchup between the Jaguars and Patriots brought to you by UF Health, the official health care partner of the Jacksonville Jaguars.
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Speaker 6: They played complimentary enough in the first half, and that was what was disappointing was the complimentary football playoff specifically in the second half and as we really went into the fourth quarter was when you needed a drive, right? You needed a stop. You needed a catch. You needed a play. We just, you know, didn't do it, right? We just didn't make it. We got to go watch and see how can we put these guys in a better position to be successful.
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Speaker 4: And we got to make some more plays.
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Speaker 2: Playmakers needed to make plays, didn't get what they needed. Jaguars happy hour presented by Jet Home Loans. We're back. Austin and Pete are here. Let's talk a little bit about the offensive problems. Started with the O-line, a lot of issues. Trevor Lawrence was rushed, kind of getting harassed all day, and it felt pretty obvious that he wasn't as confident as we've seen him as of late. And I believe I'd have to imagine it was some of the O-line getting to him. And the noise is a tough environment as well. But they allowed two sacks, five tackles for loss. This is a Denver defense. They had seven quarterback hits, obviously an interception. Is this a blip on the radar, Austin, or do you think this is something we need to be concerned about Trevor regressing?
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Speaker 1: You know what? I'm going to call it a blip on the radar and kind of a humbling, if you will, that offensive line. I mean, there's a reason why Denver led the league in sacks last year. Right. And then they return all those guys on defense. So they're a great defensive line playing in a pretty hostile environment where it gets loud.
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Speaker 4: Right.
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Speaker 1: And I did like how in the beginning they came out with kind of off tempo a little bit like they go no huddle and then slow it down. Like I love anything that you can do to get a defense kind of guessing on their heels. And they did a great job of that for the first couple of drives. But yeah, the offensive line, especially in pass pro, and you only give up two sacks, but the box score might say a different story than the film actually says because, and everyone's a candidate here, right? Like Pregnan had a couple rough goes. Anton Harrison got turned around on a game one time and everything. Tootin trips up Anton Harrison on a play. Go ahead, Pete.
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Speaker 3: I was just going to say, his one play, he tripped him. I mean, it's hard to put that one on Harrison, even though it goes against him. It was hard to put it on him.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and.
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Speaker 3: But here's the other thing. Sorry, but here's the other thing. If you look at some of those plays, Ever Lawrence made some really good throws with guys ready to blast him. I mean, he took, I think it was the Parker Washington one in the middle of the field. I think he took a shot there. The interception, he certainly took, it was a bad, bad decision, bad throw. I think he read it out where they were going to, where the corner wasn't going to sink. And, but they had nobody threatened the corner on that side. So it was a bad play design. If you look at this, there's nobody threatened in the corner. So he goes up and he just stays with them. And so when that happened, you look at, I think on that play, if we can run it again, he gets just, just blasted. I mean, just, I think it's the right guard does an ole. See, he does an ole right there.
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Speaker 1: Well, then there's another one too. Brian Thomas Jr. in the middle where he literally just sidestepped it and got to Brian Thomas Jr. in the middle for a great pass as well. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think Trevor regressed on Sunday. I think the offense regressed on Sunday. And for real, I'm going to give you an example. Do you remember the play where Tootin snuck out of the backfield and and it was a one-man screen with Hainsey.
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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 3: And it was— Hafunga was man-to-man with Tootin. Let me tell you, if Hainsey can get out quicker, it's a touchdown. Everybody on the defense went with the receivers who were running across the field, and the only guy there was Hafunga. And so what happened was, is Hainsey didn't get out in time, couldn't make the block— and therefore it was stuffed. And that to me is the little things that they were missing out on on Sunday.
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Speaker 2: Is the offensive line we talked about, it's similar faces, but they're in new positions. Is this a group issue? Is this something that gets straightened out a week from now? Or is this going to be something we're talking about for a while because they don't quite have it together against better teams?
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Speaker 3: Well, what do you want to be? That's the question I ask. And the reason I ask that question is I said before the season, I thought Hainsey was the smartest center, but not the most physical center. And I think Cleveland, if you want to be a big physical power line, that's not who he is either. And so you got to ask yourself, do you want to play it safe? and play the guys who have been there and maybe won't make the mental mistakes but aren't physically as gifted? Or do you wanna play the guys that are more physically gifted who give you a better chance to road grade people at times? And that's the question you gotta ask yourself. And I don't necessarily think they're ready yet to make a decision, but I think those decisions are coming. I said it before the season, didn't I tell you guys I thought Monheim would take over as a starting center at some point soon? And I think now the way Cleveland's played, on Sunday, you open yourself up, okay, maybe not this week, but if he had another game like that against New England, then I think you've got to look to make it a change. And where's the change?
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Speaker 1: Is it Milam?
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Speaker 3: Who's the change? That's what, you know, they've got to figure that out.
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Speaker 1: And then we saw Milam yesterday, too, playing a little like of that other tight end, which I could have, well, yeah, I mean, he gave up the sack, but thankfully that was a penalty. That was the first drive of the game where he's playing like the extra tight end on the line, Jumbo, which Which I.
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Speaker 3: Don't figure out. You have tight ends that block like mules. Why don't you bring him in in that scenario? Of course.
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Speaker 1: And is anybody on Denver thinking, okay, well, Wyatt Milam's in the game. Watch out for the pass. Could be a play action. Like, no, nobody thought that. So let's get after him and pass rush. If it's going to be a run, stop the run. So I was a little confused by why you plan on bringing Wyatt Milam when I feel like you have an arsenal of tight ends that are capable blockers. Pete, I agree with you. I think eventually the plan will be to go more physical. But I also think right now with what you have, you go with more experience. But there are ways to help out what you have and help out your quarterback. And I think that comes more than the play actions and the boots and everything and getting Trevor moving. And we really didn't see a lot of that yesterday. It's crazy. I was watching Bo Nix, and Bo Nix is a guy who kind of needed a get-right game after that Kansas City game. You're seeing ghosts and stuff in Kansas City. It wasn't great. I thought Sean Payton or whoever's calling the plays now, Webb, but I thought they had a great game plan in terms of mixing in play action, mixing in, getting him on the run a little bit, getting him some confidence and getting him safe. And I felt like Trevor was more just kind of standing back there trying to diagnose as opposed to keeping the Broncos defense who was coming at you on their heels.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and look, Trevor, if they want to run the ball, let's be real. Enough with the Rodriguez stuff. Come on. Seriously. And I said that in the preseason, and you guys have taken me to task on that one. You would agree with me.
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Speaker 2: They're still sticking with.
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Speaker 3: It, though. It's different when the other guy carries the ball. It is. I mean, that's evident. He should be getting more carries.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Right?
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Speaker 3: You agree?
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Speaker 2: No.
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Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. And listen, I was the biggest Chris Rodriguez proponent, I feel like, on this show. And I still think he does serve a purpose in those goal line situations or short yardage. But once again, to me, it's all about matchups and it's all about scheming. If I see Chris Rodriguez in the backfield, I'm not worried about him going out for a passing route. And I'm not even worried about him hitting the edge or like a toss or anything. Because number one, they haven't shown it. And number two, I don't think he really has the speed right now to do that. So if I'm a defense game planning for the Jaguars and see Chris Rodriguez, hey, let's bump everybody down a little bit, right? Let's get on the line of scrimmage a little more. And then let's take away the A gap and B gap and let's see what they got. Tootin's different story.
00:25:37
Speaker 3: Right, and Rodriguez, like last week, they put him in the Wildcat and snapped it to him on a short yard. That's fine. That's what you want to do with him, fine. But if you're taking carries away from Tootin to give him carries, I don't think that's the smart thing to do. And, okay, let's say when they got down on the goal line, Tootin ran, I think he ran like for nine, six, something. He got him down there. And they got down there. And on the very first play, and we don't know, something might have happened to him, but on the very first play, he wasn't in. And what happened to Rodriguez? He got stuck for a two-yard loss.
00:26:12
Speaker 1: Now all of a.
00:26:13
Speaker 3: Sudden you go from first and goal at the three to second and goal at the five.
00:26:18
Speaker 1: Was that the Laquan Allen drive too? Wasn't Laquan Allen in that?
00:26:21
Speaker 2: The first one in the third quarter?
00:26:22
Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
00:26:25
Speaker 2: Right?
00:26:26
Speaker 3: You got the play-by-play right there, Kyle? What was it? It was what?
00:26:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, C-Rod, right tackle, minus two.
00:26:32
Speaker 1: Then it was Allen-Allen?
00:26:34
Speaker 2: A short pass to two.
00:26:35
Speaker 3: No, then it was a swing pass to two.
00:26:37
Speaker 1: No gain.
00:26:38
Speaker 2: No gain. Then incomplete over the middle to the Quinn.
00:26:40
Speaker 1: The Quinn, which was the drop on the one yard line. Yeah.
00:26:44
Speaker 3: And would he have scored? Probably not, but it would have made it for a decision. And that's the other thing.
00:26:49
Speaker 2: They would have gone for it, though. Probably.
00:26:51
Speaker 3: But does he need to run that route a little deeper to get himself into the end zone and then he falls in or to the goal line and then falls in? Those are the little things that we talk about.
00:27:02
Speaker 2: Was that the one where Was Brenton open on that one, too? Or was that a different, like, Quint Allen play where it was like if he had looked one more over, Brent Strange was open?
00:27:10
Speaker 1: I think that was a different one. Okay. Yeah, yeah.
00:27:12
Speaker 2: Because there was also, like, Brent Strange.
00:27:16
Speaker 3: No, in this one, he came back to him in the middle and hit him. But again, depth-wise, he's a little... You got to get into the end zone there. You can't put it where you're not in the end zone. So I think that was an issue. The one to Tootin, he swung it out of the backfield. That was late, remember? That wasn't a design play. He kind of panicked and threw it to him, and Tootin had nowhere to go. There were about eight defenders over there.
00:27:43
Speaker 2: All right, fans, when the Jaguars score a field goal 40 yards or more, they unlock a free medium sub with the purchase of any medium sub chips and drink in the Firehouse Subs app at participating Florida restaurants. You can check that out at firehousesubs.com. When we return, we're going to talk more about those defensive rotations, the defensive line, and in the secondary.
00:28:11
Speaker 3: Got to finish. The team's not just going to roll over for us. Got to go out there and finish the team. So we didn't finish. Me personally, I got relaxed. The details are going.
00:28:22
Speaker 1: To be there in the second half.
00:28:24
Speaker 2: Tough second half for the secondary in that matchup. Jaguars fall in Denver, their first loss of the season. Let's take a moment. We're going to talk about our player of the game brought to you by Publix, where shopping is a pleasure. I went out on a limb and decided it was going to be Parker Washington because... When things were good, Parker was involved, and that was early on in this game. But also, when we talk about targets, I mean, you mentioned it earlier, Austin. Clearly, your number one receiver is Parker Washington. He had 12 targets in this game. But this is where my question mark comes in. Brian Thomas Jr. had eight targets in the game, only three receptions, a couple of drops, arguably, balls he should have been able to come down with. Pete, when you were looking back on this– Was the defense dictating them to go to BTJ or was this by design? Because late in the game, when he hadn't come through, I did find it interesting that kept going that way.
00:29:20
Speaker 3: No, I think he goes through his progressions and makes a decision. He's not going through anybody. I don't, I don't, you know, he just happened to be open on some of those plays, which is why he got to him. And I just went back and rewatched those plays we were talking about on the goal line and he could have gone to strange on the left side of that throw. Um, when he checked it down to Tootin. No, when he threw it to Allen. Remember the one in the middle of the field? He had him over there, but that's a hard one to get to, I think. He's probably the fourth progression And he wasn't pressure, but that's a tough one. If you look at it, that was a tough one. And then the other one on the play before, he could have gone when he dumped it over to Tootin, he could have gone to Strange on his right. He ran like a little inside little route, right? And Sertan was behind him. And I couldn't figure out... And this is what Trevor probably looked at. Is Sertan baiting him? Because he wasn't covering him that closely, but it almost looks like he's ready to jump the thing and go the other way.
00:30:25
Speaker 2: Which is fair if you try to avoid that.
00:30:28
Speaker 3: So twice he could have gone to Strange.
00:30:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Strange was... I mean, there's a couple times that I watched during the game where... And I was surprised it didn't go more to Strange.
00:30:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, so when I'm looking at targets here... Parker Washington, I don't think anyone's arguing with that. He got 12 targets. Brian Thomas Jr. got eight. And then that was where the drop-off is. Brent Strange got two targets. They were both in the first half. And then Jacoby Myers, who you're paying $ 20 million to, got one target, one huge catch, but one target. That's crazy to me.
00:30:57
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:30:57
Speaker 3: And he didn't exactly have many targets last week either.
00:31:00
Speaker 2: No, he didn't.
00:31:00
Speaker 3: Remember, if he doesn't get the touchdown, he doesn't have... What did he have? Two or three last week, I think? I mean... Yeah. And, but you only threw the ball that many times. You're not going to be able to, you know, give everybody a ton of targets. I think, but strange was available in some situations.
00:31:17
Speaker 1: And once again, Pete, like, listen, I understand that Parker Washington right now is Trevor Lawrence's favorite receiver. Right. And once again, I think the numbers prove that. And even and Denver kind of changed it up from last year where they put that certain a little bit in zone around him. Like, I mean, that's kind of the benefit of playing out of the slot. Right. Is that you get a free release. You can kind of scheme Parker open a little more and then let him use his yards after catch ability to make a play. But we talked about this team is going to be. Hey, it's going to be harder to defend because you have guys like Myers. You have guys like strange Brian Thomas Jr. and everything. But when you give Jacoby Myers one target, you get Brenton Strange two targets, defenses aren't worrying about that. New England's not saying, oh, we've got to stop Strange now. And we saw what Strange could do last year. There was a time last year where Brenton Strange, before Myers got there, was the security blanket. He was Trevor's go-to guy, it seemed like, on third down. And he's all but an afterthought. If you take away that touchdown from Cleveland, he's almost non-existent, it seems like.
00:32:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he had that catch on the sideline where he had to go low to make the catch, and he made a good catch. But it almost looked like, by the way, on one of those, I think it was the Allen one, where he thought he turned and hooked and thought he was open right away when he didn't get the ball. It almost looked like there was a little bit of frustration there for not getting the ball.
00:32:37
Speaker 2: Pete's waiting for the dinner fit from somebody.
00:32:39
Speaker 1: He's waiting.
00:32:40
Speaker 2: He's looking for it.
00:32:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean, and by the way, the more I watch that, They ran like a scissors concept with Brian Thomas and Allen, and Allen needs to get a little deeper, and he has a touchdown. I mean, I see why he didn't because he saw the zone player there, so maybe he stopped and wanted to settle down. But you've got to settle down where even if you're not in the end zone, if you catch it, you fall into the end zone, that kind of thing.
00:33:08
Speaker 2: Yeah. Were you surprised they didn't try to run it a little bit more or did they? And it just wasn't working because we saw that against the Chiefs were able to run all over them. And I mean, maybe the Broncos game plan for this. But I was surprised they didn't get to a little bit more. Tootin had less than he had less carries than he had the week before.
00:33:25
Speaker 3: And what are the average for carry?
00:33:27
Speaker 2: Five yards.
00:33:28
Speaker 1: Five yards.
00:33:30
Speaker 3: You get the ball more.
00:33:32
Speaker 2: Yes.
00:33:32
Speaker 3: To answer that question. I said before the game, I thought it was going to be an enormous Tootin game. I said it on the air. I, I, you know, I told people, I said, I think this is going to be a Tootin game based on what the Broncos did last week, based on how Jacksonville ran the ball late in the game against Cleveland. And based on what I felt Tootin could do, I thought there would be home run plays. There were none. And, and I think the blocking wasn't nearly as good as it was the week before he, He turned some runs that should have been like two, three yard runs into like six yard runs with his ability to make people miss. He's running. I'll be honest with you. He's running a lot tougher than I thought he would run. I thought this would be a home run King and he's turned himself into a guy that's running tough, low, good, good balance. He needs to get the ball more. It needs to be him.
00:34:20
Speaker 1: And this is the thing. This is the thing, Pete, if you go back to Liam Cohen in Tampa, when he was calling the plays. And you had Rashad White, who at that time was a pretty solid running back, right? Made a name for himself to bring in a rookie. Bucky Irving was a later round pick, I think out of Oregon or whatever. And like, it was almost a running back by committee for the first couple of games. And then all of a sudden, Bucky Irving separated himself because the guy could do it all, right? And between the tackles, catching the ball, he was just, he was a better running back than Rashad White was. And Liam Cohen had no problem saying, Bucky, You're the guy going forward. You're the better running back. You're getting more, you know, more carries. I feel like in the first, and it's a small sample, okay. But I feel like in the first two games, it's evident that Tootin in terms of whether it's the yards after contact, whether it's the ability a little bit in the pass game, whether it's hitting the ball on the outside, running the quarterback option, like he's the more dynamic runner. And he's getting more yards right now. Not to say that Rodriguez can't be that short yardage back because he definitely can be. Not to say that Abdullah can't come in every once in a while and fill the role or Laquan Allen, whatever the case. But there has to be more, I think, now of Tootin getting more reps. Simply because I think he's earned it. I think he showed it in two games.
00:35:38
Speaker 2: Austin, we heard afterward.
00:35:40
Speaker 3: And again, if Hainsey gets out... Yeah. If Hainsey gets out and makes that block, Tootin has a touchdown reception and a touchdown run. And we're talking differently about it.
00:35:50
Speaker 2: Coach Cohen spoke afterwards and he felt like he said he, you know, obviously had stuff to work on, but he felt he felt good about his play calling in the second half. And he said he didn't get comfortable to try to run, run, run. And at times I felt like the run would have been that's what you wanted to get going. Also, when we talk about getting more of the run game going in the second half, I would have liked to see that. What did you feel?
00:36:11
Speaker 1: No, absolutely. Right. And especially it's a game of explosives. And especially when you're on the road in a hostile environment, the, what you want to do is shut the crowd up. Okay. And that can happen with explosive plays. You know, we saw a couple of times where we're tuned at the outside and got eight, you know, 10 yards and everything. And it's a first down, like that's momentum changer. In the past game, you saw Trevor a little bit, you know, getting rushed and not having a lot of time to throw, diagnose, you know, who's open and everything. I mean, it wasn't for a lack of effort. I felt like with running the football in the second half, because they tried to and not too much success, but they tried to. But once again, I think this is where the play action comes in a little more getting Trevor, you know, whether it's a boot, whether it's just using his legs a little more, but getting him some time, getting him some confidence to get those explosive plays. Because to me, that was the difference in the second half is Denver had all the explosive play.
00:37:05
Speaker 3: The drive, the drive to, the field goal when they were up 10-3 and they had settled for that field goal on that whole drive. If you look at those plays, they did run the ball on that drive. That was textbook, I thought. I mean, I think Tootin had like an eight-yard run.
00:37:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think in early, yeah. Is this the, it's not the third quarter one, you're talking.
00:37:30
Speaker 3: About the second quarter?
00:37:31
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:37:32
Speaker 3: The third quarter one where they ended up with, with, they got down there and they put Rodriguez in and he got two yard loss and then they settled for the field goal. Could have got up 17, three. And if they go up 17, three, I think that game's over.
00:37:42
Speaker 1: That might've been game.
00:37:43
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:37:43
Speaker 5: Agreed.
00:37:44
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:37:44
Speaker 2: So there's a bunch of toot and runs. I mean, early on, he had the 16 yard, right to the right, then up the middle for 11. See Rod had a carry later in later on.
00:37:57
Speaker 3: Two, three.
00:38:02
Speaker 2: Then 2-9, 1-9. Yeah, so I agree with you. And that's at a point where they still have a good chunk lead. And then after that, it felt like pressure was on them more, which was interesting because you're up at that point. And it felt like they almost felt more pressure.
00:38:18
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, here's the other thing. Mr. Big Poe has to make his field goal.
00:38:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, simple as that.
00:38:24
Speaker 3: You sit there and you talk about how great his leg is. Oh, my God, he can make it. If they get across the 50, he's going to kick a 70-yarder. What was it, 54? So that means that in the last two big games that they've played.
00:38:40
Speaker 2: In a pressure moment, yeah.
00:38:42
Speaker 3: The Golden Toe has missed two important field.
00:38:44
Speaker 1: Goals, right? Yeah, that's two fine house subs right there, Kai.
00:38:48
Speaker 2: Sad, sad things. It's mental though, right? Because obviously we know he has the ability. It's just, is it the pressure getting to him?
00:38:55
Speaker 3: I mean, he has the ability. I mean, you got to make a, what was it, 54 yards? Is that what it was?
00:39:01
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it was 54.
00:39:03
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:39:05
Speaker 3: And so if it's 54 in altitude, that's a chip shot for that guy.
00:39:11
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:39:11
Speaker 3: Make the kick. And against Buffalo, remember he missed a kick at the end of the half. Was it at the end of the half against Buffalo?
00:39:18
Speaker 1: Yep.
00:39:18
Speaker 2: Yep.
00:39:19
Speaker 3: Make your kicks.
00:39:21
Speaker 2: The comedy of errors late in that game. And when we talk about explosives, we'll break down exactly the... cornerback situation, what we would like to see going forward. But when we come back after this break, we're going to talk about the week three matchup against the Patriots because they're going to be coming in at one and one as well. And that game just became a lot more important. So stick with us here on Dag Wars Happy Hour presented by Jet Home Loans. For 12 years, DreamFinders Homes have been proud to call themselves the official home builder of the Jacksonville Jaguars. Visit DreamFindersHomes.com for all the available inventory. Welcome back into Jaguars Happy Hour. We've been talking about that disappointing loss to the Broncos, but now we're going to look ahead just a bit because the Jaguars are back in Jacksonville. Their final home game here in Jacksonville for, I think, five or six weeks. And it's against the Patriots, who looked bad as bad could be in the opening game, but came back around. Their defense is still very talented, Pete. The offense comes and goes, but this is not a game that should be taken lightly either because another AFC matchup, I mean, the AFC defending champs is what it is. The Jags need this win as much as the Patriots do.
00:40:32
Speaker 3: Oh, there's no question. And look, they're struggling on offense. There's no doubt about that. You look at Drake May, and he's got four picks and one touchdown. He just doesn't look comfortable playing. And I think that's something to keep an eye on this game. But defensively, you mentioned it. They're good. You know, their guys up front are good physical players. The cover guys are good on the back end. It's going to be a challenge against that defense. Offensively, I think they're a little limited. Like you saw Travion Henderson rip one off yesterday, a long run. He's got the juice. And I think he's going to start getting more and more carry. So I think it's going to be a challenge for the offense to get back into any sort of rhythm offensively. against a good Patriots defense. So we'll know more about them against that team, but we'll also know more about them in the next two weeks because then they go to Cincinnati, who's got a good team too. So Jacksonville, I'm not going to say it's a must win, but it almost is. I mean, okay, the division doesn't have a lot of good teams in it right now. Everybody else is 0-2, but you have to win this game, particularly with going out on the road against Cincinnati next week.
00:41:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and listen, You know, we're going into week three, and this is a marathon, not a sprint. But I think if you talk about the identity of this team and what we've seen so far.
00:41:50
Speaker 3: Said Coach Austin Lane, by the way. You sound like a coach when.
00:41:54
Speaker 1: You say that. Come on, I'm being real. We have a lot more episodes of this show coming out down the line.
00:41:59
Speaker 3: There are many weeks.
00:42:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's many weeks. But at the same time, the thing, the identity about this team is that they've showed it. When they've had, they've kind of laid an egg. When they kind of got dominated in the trenches, when you kind of question some decisions, they always found a way to respond, at least last year. Right? Why should this be any different? Right? And this to me is a barely telling game because if they come out here and for whatever reason the Patriots win this game, then you're going to start questioning, okay, well now your identity is starting to lack a little bit because you didn't really learn much from Denver. what are you guys doing? Now you have Cincinnati coming up. Like, so I'm looking for this team to rebound because that's what they do. Pete, when they, when they have adversity, they've done a great job of rebounding. If they can't rebound, then to me, it's going to be very telling. Like I'm not panicking yet or the Broncos game, but I will start to go. Oh, if it looks bad against the Patriots. Yes.
00:42:54
Speaker 3: If they look bad against Patriots and somehow lose that game, then you got to put the panic meter up a little bit because then, then you start, because I thought they would win at Denver and, But losing at Denver and the way they did, it's not that big a deal. But losing at home to the Patriots will be. Even though they were defending AFC champions and all that, they're not a great team right now, and they're not playing with A.J. Brown, and they also lost their best offensive lineman on Sunday with a fractured lower leg, Michael Onwenu, the right guard. That's a damning blow for that offense as well. So this is a game you're supposed to win. But guys have to play and make plays. The count-ons, I call them the count-ons because every team has the count, the guys you count on every week. Travis Hunter, you're one of them. Go make a play that we remember. Trayvon Walker, who was really good a week ago, wasn't as good on Sunday. Josh Hines-Allen didn't scratch the stat sheet, I don't think, or he didn't get any pressures. He's got to be better. And so the count-ons have to make big plays. And I think that particularly on defense, it's time for those guys to start making big plays.
00:44:04
Speaker 2: Let's bring some perspective in this. We're going to ask co-pilot a question brought to you by Microsoft. So as a good point you made, Austin, about responding to adversity, when was the last time the Jacksonville Jaguars lost a regular season game before yesterday's loss to Denver? And the last time was that loss in Houston back in November because they ripped.
00:44:22
Speaker 3: Off all those wins in a row.
00:44:23
Speaker 2: Yes, he did. That huge comeback win in the second half at Houston, they responded that next week was the Chargers game, and we all remember that one because that was dominant. And so this is an opportunity for them to come back. And they've responded from some of their losses, like the L.A. Rams loss. They've responded well when challenged. I think that Texans game was a big moment for them last season, and this is another opportunity. But as Pete mentioned... Drake May has struggled because he's been pressured. You're going to need to put pressure on him, which we did not see this week.
00:45:03
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Josh Heinz Allen's been a really good player, and I thought both he and Trayvon Walker were outstanding in week one. But you go play a big game in Denver, and McGlinchey's a good tackle, not a great one. The left tackle, Garrett Bowles, is a great one. And so, okay. He got shut out. You got shut out. That's what, that's what happened. You get a good left tackle handled Josh Heinz Allen. That that's what happened. So now, and I knowing Josh, the way he is, he'll respond to that and come back, but he wasn't, he was not a factor on Sunday. He just wasn't. And he's gotta be at least in the passing game. I mean, he's always, those two are always going to be good in the run game. Always.
00:45:43
Speaker 1: Yeah. And what did I say? 37 sacks between the two this year. Is that what it was last week?
00:45:47
Speaker 2: I have it written down. I'll have to go with it.
00:45:49
Speaker 3: No, I think it was 20. I think it was 26. You said 27.
00:45:52
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was joking. He gave it to 27. Okay, well, let me go. This is a sprint, not a marathon. So I'm going to need three sacks apiece.
00:46:00
Speaker 3: Not three.
00:46:02
Speaker 1: It's a sprint.
00:46:03
Speaker 3: One game at a time, one play at a time.
00:46:06
Speaker 1: Throw the kitchen sink at him in New England. Like, this is win or it's over, right? It is now a sprint.
00:46:13
Speaker 2: It might be a feast or famine situation. We need to at least get some big games in here to get your numbers up.
00:46:19
Speaker 1: When my commentary's on the line, yeah, it's a sprint.
00:46:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, what you can have is a team that went into Denver, and you could see it early in that game, with a ton of confidence, now starting to doubt themselves. Because when they doubt themselves, that always comes back and bites them in the behind. I think the swagger... that was there in the first couple series and a half of that game, when it went away, you hope that doesn't carry over because there were a lot of guys looking around.
00:46:53
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:46:53
Speaker 3: And a lot of secondary players looking around. And so I think that's always concerning as well. So you got to hope that somehow, and this is going to challenge Liam Cohn this week because his team thought they were really good. Yep. played pretty good for two and a half quarters, and then it kind of went away. And so now you've got to challenge them to get back to where you think you were because they were confident. I don't care what anybody said. Didn't you sense the confidence from them all summer? They thought they were good.
00:47:20
Speaker 1: You spot in the Browns game, too. By the way, Browns, maybe not a bad team. Just beat Tampa.
00:47:24
Speaker 2: Not looking too bad. We've got a lot more to talk about. We're going to be back in a minute on the second hour of Jaguars Happy Hour.
00:47:34
Speaker 4: Those are all critical plays, you know?
00:47:35
Speaker 6: I mean, when you're struggling specifically to create and, and make a play. We need some, you know, some of our guys to step up and I got to be better in terms of putting them in a better.
00:47:45
Speaker 4: Position to be successful as well.
00:47:48
Speaker 6: It just felt like we were a little off sync in this, you know, a little out of sync in the second half in terms of like just the ball getting on, you know, maybe it was on the outcut, like where it's on them a little quick or we didn't see it, whatever it is.
00:48:01
Speaker 4: So maybe some of the rush was getting to us.
00:48:03
Speaker 6: And the ball is having to come out a little bit earlier and, We just weren't in sync enough, especially in the second half.
00:48:11
Speaker 2: Jaguars are going to try to get back in sync for week three. Welcome into the second hour of Jaguars Happy Hour, presented by Mr. Chubby's Wings, before the game, after the game, and during the game. With Austin Lane and Pete Prisco. Let's start with our opening drive, presented to you by Target Zero. Let's get everyone home safely. So the Jaguars got out to an early lead in Denver, but they were unable to hold on. The Broncos battling their way back into the game. But as we mentioned, it just felt like they didn't really quite have it together. They were able to get up early, but didn't look clean. Didn't look the way that we've seen this offense particularly look.
00:48:46
Speaker 4: And.
00:48:47
Speaker 2: Overall, it was just probably a frustrating day for I imagine most players. I singled out Parker Washington having a decent day. I'm sure he was frustrated as well because they were really kind of hammering in on him after he had that breakout game against the Broncos last season. And just I wasn't good enough to get it done, Austin, especially on the road in a tough environment.
00:49:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not good enough to get it done. And the biggest thing when you play in that type of environment is taking the crowd out of it. And I thought they got up to a great lead in the beginning, and then they couldn't maintain it. And once you let that momentum start building back up and that crowd starts screaming a little more, because i was there last year and i never got to play in denver um i played against denver but never got to actually play in mile high and i was really surprised like how loud it actually gets there right like i was i would put it top three i put it up there the kansas city um and seattle so When the crowd gets taken out of it, that's everything. I remember this is coach speak as well, but once you have your foot on the throat, push down and step on it. That's aggressive, but that's how coaches speak sometimes. Unfortunately, they let him off the hook a little bit, let him cut back into the game, and then obviously the momentum shifted way too much. They couldn't get it back.
00:49:58
Speaker 2: At any point in that rewatch, did you feel like there was a point where they could have taken it over? Was it that not getting that touchdown right there on that first possession in the third quarter? Was there something where you're like, if this was the switch, they would have been able to hold on and get a win? Or was it inevitable because it was kind of falling apart? I can't hear you, Pete. We'll have to get you back in here. I don't know if Pete has all the answers. That was a little bit of a tough watch for sure. I guess for me, I have a ton of confidence in how well they've been playing. Feels like they weren't making a ton of mistakes. Obviously, you lose in the playoff game to the Bills, but you come out against Cleveland, you do what needs to be done. Arguments, they're not the best team in the world, but they still find a way to get that done. Does this give you some more question marks, or do you just feel like this was an off week?
00:50:50
Speaker 1: No, I mean, it definitely gives you question marks, right? Because can the offensive line hold up now? You're facing off against a great Patriots defense that can get after the quarterback a little bit, that has a head coach with a great defensive philosophy that they know how to get the job done. And I get it right now on paper. they don't scare you on offense, right? Like, they have Romeo Dobbs who, you know, that they gave a little money to. He's going to kind of fulfill. And now I feel like in that wide receiver one, they have a great play caller, McDaniels, that you have to respect, right? But their offense doesn't scare you. But at the same time, like... I went into Denver thinking, well, does Denver really scare me right now? Does J.K. Dobbins really scare me? Does a two-target against Kansas City, Jalen Waddell, really scare me at the moment? So you can't take that Patriots offense lightly. You have to be on your P's and Q's. You have to do your job. And if they can do their job and it's not so much of looking around and wondering, you know, no one's on the same page, it'll be fine. But if it's more of... Guys not in the proper coverage, guys getting confused and everything. Well, that's when those explosive plays can happen. It doesn't matter who they're throwing the ball.
00:51:56
Speaker 5: To.
00:51:56
Speaker 3: I think you can hear me now, right?
00:51:59
Speaker 5: I was saying they actually had an end zone interception and a really good goal line stand to keep themselves in charge of that game.
00:52:11
Speaker 3: And you know, when you do that, usually you find a way to turn that into points and go down the field and take them the house out of it. And, and they didn't. And so that's the disappointing part of it because this goal line stand was, I mean, there was some good plays made by guys on this, on this goal line stand that Armstead made the initial play there. And then, then the rap by he didn't actually wrap him, but, but Miller makes a play and then Walker ends up taking him down. But that's a, a great goal line stand for them. And then you had the end zone interception on a terrible throw by, by Knicks, but you, you made the play what he had. And this thing was a disaster for them.
00:52:48
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:52:48
Speaker 2: I didn't really get that one.
00:52:49
Speaker 3: I mean, they moved. I thought they moved by the way, and they didn't get called for it. Then the pitch is behind them. They're waiting there. By the way, the one guy that actually played really well on defense was Gardeck.
00:53:02
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:53:03
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:53:03
Speaker 3: He was the.
00:53:05
Speaker 2: Only one really showed up.
00:53:06
Speaker 1: He was good, but there was that one run with Dobbins where, and I don't know what the coverage was in his backend, but it seemed like he kind of got off his, his line a little bit. And he actually gave up a pretty explosive run if I'm not mistaken, but once again, I don't know if it was his job or not.
00:53:22
Speaker 5: Yeah.
00:53:22
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:53:22
Speaker 3: I know what you're talking about, but for the most part, he played pretty good football and kind of got some pressure on the quarterback.
00:53:28
Speaker 1: A little bit. Oh, almost got that.
00:53:30
Speaker 3: We can run that. And, If we can run that end zone interception again, that interception again, the one where you can see him throwing it to the back. Look how wide open the guy underneath is for a touchdown. I mean, if you're Bo Nix and you can see it, keep it running because the next one you can really see it. Watch the guy underneath. Waddle.
00:53:48
Speaker 1: I mean, he walked in.
00:53:52
Speaker 2: And it was also like backpedaling.
00:53:54
Speaker 3: That's another play where it's a bad coverage too. They busted the coverage on there because Waddle's standing by himself on a walk-in. They have too many of those on Sunday.
00:54:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, and especially the guy I feel like you have to account for more than anything was Jalen Waddle.
00:54:10
Speaker 3: I mean, Nix has to throw it to Waddle and it's a touchdown.
00:54:14
Speaker 2: Is Travis Hunter capable of just shadowing the best wide receiver they go up against? Why don't they do that with him?
00:54:23
Speaker 3: Yes, and I think part of the reason is the structure of defense they play, they don't necessarily want to do that. They like playing and showing match zone. And so if he goes with a guy, you know, he's not matching up with anybody. He's covering them. And I think that's been the biggest adjustment for Travis Hunter, by the way. Adjusting to playing... zones and match zones and not just lining up and playing man to man on, on the, on a receiver because you can't, nobody does that anymore, by the way, nobody, I don't, you know, they talk about Gonzalez. It was a great corner or, you know, Sertan didn't do it on Sunday.
00:55:08
Speaker 1: No, he didn't.
00:55:08
Speaker 3: He didn't do that. He didn't do that.
00:55:10
Speaker 1: Who was, who was on one of that one? Was it Lewis that got kind of got burnt a little bit?
00:55:14
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:55:14
Speaker 2: Yeah. He fell down.
00:55:16
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, well, that's a man. cover situation that didn't work out well, but Lewis isn't a man guy.
00:55:22
Speaker 3: He didn't do it as much as you thought. The old days of lining up a guy and wherever he goes on the field, you stay with him. I think those are done. You don't see people doing.
00:55:31
Speaker 1: More side of the field now and everything. Yeah.
00:55:34
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:55:34
Speaker 3: So I think Hunter could do it. What he can do. When he comes out there and there's a man over there, you could man up with him and play different coverages on the other side to kind of compensate for that. Because he's more than capable. Or at least you would hope you didn't do that with Monteric Brown. Monteric is good in zone. He's good in zone. He can come up and he can tackle and he plays off. He's physical. He can do that stuff. That's not what he does. So if you're going to do it with one of them, you can do it with him.
00:56:08
Speaker 1: Well, and there's a reason why.
00:56:09
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:56:09
Speaker 1: So go ahead, Pete. Sorry. No, no.
00:56:13
Speaker 3: I was just going to say, I don't think, I don't think you can do it every play anymore. It just is. Or even if he, well, he's only played 37 snaps. So if he played man, he probably only played 12 snaps and man coverage the way they play them.
00:56:24
Speaker 1: Yeah. And there's a reason why they traded Tyson Campbell away when they did, because he was more of a man guy and they got in return and was Newsome. He's more of a zone guy. Now it didn't work out here or whatever, but like, correct. They do want to play zone, but I will say this though. I've seen everything I need to see from Travis Hunter to go. If you want to put them on, you know, New England's best receiver is probably going to be Dobbs. I mean, Holland's is okay, but I think Dobbs is probably the best guy. then do it. Because I've seen him run step for step with Xavier Worthy on Monday Night Football. I've seen him clamp down Travis Kelsey on Monday Night Football. So I think he's capable of doing it. Now, does it fit in the confines of your scheme and everything? I mean, that's another question. But when you have a true number one receiver like you had with Waddle, I would have at least tried to say, hey, all right, young guy, you want to go see if you can cover him? Go cover him. Because it couldn't have really been any worse, man. Jalen Waddle feasted yesterday.
00:57:21
Speaker 2: He did.
00:57:21
Speaker 3: He really did. I mean, again, there were a lot of busts. Guys, you know, the play at the end kind of iced the game. They busted that. I mean, you can't bust that in that scenario.
00:57:32
Speaker 2: Liam Cohen talked today on Zoom, and he was talking about, you know, asked about the kind of split between the cornerbacks, and he said that's by design. That's how they operated last year. In my memory, it was because there was injuries last year. There were some rotations, but I don't know how entirely– Pete, do you remember what the rotations were on? I feel like it wasn't quite like that last year.
00:57:57
Speaker 3: No, it was not quite like that because I don't think they had the guys to be able to rotate like that.
00:58:02
Speaker 4: Remember?
00:58:03
Speaker 3: Because it was the corners. Once Hunter went down, the corners were Jarrion Jones, Monteric Brown, and who was, oh, what's it?
00:58:15
Speaker 1: Newsome. Newsome, yeah.
00:58:16
Speaker 3: That's who played the corners because Jordan Lewis was hurt.
00:58:19
Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
00:58:19
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:58:21
Speaker 4: Right.
00:58:21
Speaker 3: So they're not, here's the other part of that. You can say, well, you want, we did it last year. We're going to rotate guys. You didn't trade up to the number two pick to go get Travis Hunter either for a rotational guy.
00:58:31
Speaker 1: He's the guy. And that's what I mentioned in the start of the show off.
00:58:38
Speaker 3: No, go ahead. Make, make up the guy. He's the guy. Yeah.
00:58:41
Speaker 1: And that's what I mentioned to start the show off where it was like, I thought the whole rotation thing was more predicated off of like easing Travis Hunter into being a wide receiver and a cornerback. So you weren't going to play him 100% on defense. You're going to play him a little more on offense as well. That's where the rotation came in, which would make a little more sense. Now you're talking about, okay, well, he's primarily, I mean, he is a cornerback first, and they're going to sprinkle on every once in a while some wide receiver reps. If that's the case, then play him. Like Pete said, I mean, you sacrificed how much to get him. Like, how many first-rounders in general are you going to say, okay, well, we're going to rotate him in, ease him along, but then nevertheless, how many first-rounders they give him another first-round pick for... Are you going to say, okay, we're going to rotate him in and bring him along? Now, once again, if it's an injury thing, if you're worried about him getting hurt or any setbacks, then say it. Because then you're doing him a favor. You're doing your team a favor. You're doing everybody else a favor because we're not going to question it. But until we know, we're not going to question it.
00:59:41
Speaker 2: But is it gamesmanship of saying, I'm not going to say it because I don't care what other people think about it?
00:59:45
Speaker 1: Right.
00:59:46
Speaker 3: Yeah, but here's the other part of it. If he's hurt, not hurt, but if you're being cautious of overusing him, coming off the leg, then that's smart, A, but you need to say it. If you're not doing that, you're doing the kid a disservice, and you're opening yourself up to criticism by the fact that you're not playing him all those plays after trading for him and calling him the unicorn and how he's going to change the game. So you can't have it both ways. So I think he needs to play every step. How many snaps is Sertan play on Sunday?
01:00:19
Speaker 2: That's what you got to look at. Because if he's going to be Sertan, Stingley.
01:00:25
Speaker 3: Gonzalez, he's got to play every play. And that's what I mean.
01:00:29
Speaker 2: Pat Sertan and Riley Moss, 59 to 58. Like that's where your corners do. If you fully feel like those are your guys. We have discussed a lot. We're going to return, take a break real quick. We're going to keep it real about the offense. Target splits and what we think it should look like going forward. We're here on Jaguars Happy Hour presented by Mr. Chubby's Wings. PRI Productions, a Southeast full-service event company, has everything you need to bring your next idea to life. Visit PRIProductions.com to learn more. Welcome back into Jaguars Happy Hour, second hour presented by Mr. Chubby's Wings. And we are going to do our best, as we always do, to keep it real. Brought to you by ServPro, like it never even happened. And today we're going to keep it real about the target share on offense. I don't think anybody has a problem with Parker Washington getting 12 targets, but Brian Thomas Jr. got 8 targets and only came down with a couple of catches. So for me, is that reasonable to keep it that way going forward? Can we get Travis Hunter involved here somehow. He likes to go up, but he likes to go up for jump balls. So some of those balls, I feel like Travis Hunter would have loved. Is there a way to work this out going forward? P or is this just what it's going to be on offense for the foreseeable future for Travis Hunter and targets for BTJ?
01:01:55
Speaker 3: No, I think they're going to look. Ideally you'd like to spread the ball around, but if Parker Washington's open, you go to, I mean, seven of 12 is pretty darn good. They do need to get strange, more involved. I think in the passing game, And get Travis Hunter on something other than a jet sweep or a bubble screen. I mean, if we go back to the Rams game a year ago, That was his coming out party as a wide receiver and he had a touchdown on a deep over route. Get him some of those down the field. If you're not gonna play him every snap on defense, get him involved in the offense because he's a great route runner, he's smart, he's fast, so use him. That's not to discount what everybody else is doing because I still think the other guys are good players. It's hard to throw when you got guys in your face and you're getting hit. It's hard to do that. So that's the difference. If you really want to look at the difference of a week ago to now, it's definitely the protection. And when you don't have protection, it's hard to spread the ball around because you can't get to one, two, three check down. You're getting the one, two whack right in the face. And so that's the biggest difference.
01:03:05
Speaker 1: Pete, let me ask you this. Who would you want to see get more reps and targets in the weeks to come? Travis Hunter or Josh Cameron?
01:03:16
Speaker 3: Travis Hunter.
01:03:16
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter. Just simply because he's more of an explosive playmaker, you think?
01:03:21
Speaker 3: He's explosive. Why not put another explosive body on the field more than just be a decoy or a gimmick? Because that's kind of what he's been this year. Not last year, this year.
01:03:32
Speaker 1: Think about it.
01:03:33
Speaker 3: He ran the jet suite. You ran one bubble screen to him on the left. Then you came back and faked the bubble screen and got a touchdown because Trevor read it and went to the middle of the field. But what did he do as a receiver yesterday?
01:03:48
Speaker 2: They tried to use him as a decoy, which is interesting because they don't throw it to him, so he's not going to be able to be a decoy much more because people are going to know he's just there to be a decoy.
01:03:57
Speaker 3: I think it's coming, though. I think he's going to have, I don't know when it's coming, he's going to start having those big plays on offense when they get him down the field a little bit.
01:04:06
Speaker 1: That's a marathon.
01:04:07
Speaker 3: Okay, but if he's on the field, you guys agree with this, if he's on the field making plays in the passing game, then the kickdown is somebody else isn't.
01:04:18
Speaker 1: Correct.
01:04:18
Speaker 3: And so who is it? Jacoby Myers hasn't had a lot of targets.
01:04:22
Speaker 2: But for me, if you're going to have Travis Hunter on.
01:04:24
Speaker 3: Three or four in the whole year.
01:04:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's going to block at least. There's options with Jacoby.
01:04:30
Speaker 3: You don't pay a guy $ 20- something million to block.
01:04:32
Speaker 2: I'm not saying he needs to block. I'm just saying if you're going to Travis Hunter and who else is going to be on the field, I can't have him and Brian on at the same time a ton.
01:04:40
Speaker 1: And here's the thing, Pete. When Jacoby Myers' number has got called and it hasn't been a lot granted, has he given you a reason not to trust him?
01:04:50
Speaker 2: No.
01:04:51
Speaker 1: Has Brian Thomas Jr.
01:04:51
Speaker 3: No, not at all.
01:04:52
Speaker 1: Okay, has Brian Thomas Jr.
01:04:55
Speaker 3: Hmm. So he got to catch the ball.
01:05:00
Speaker 1: That's exactly what I'm saying. So if that's the conversation we're having and we're and you're saying you want to see Josh Cameron and I understand it because it's the speed of Travis Hunter. It's the it's the playability of Travis Hunter. OK, then, you know, do you kind of have to go, all right, Brian, like. we gotta be able to trust him, man. And, and right now, you know, there's been a couple of balls that have come your way that you haven't locked in and maybe it is the shoulder thing. Maybe you, I mean, I don't know. Do you explore IR if it's really that much of an issue? I'm not sure, but I don't want to see a repeat of last season where it's like game by game. There's like, okay, well, can we throw it to Brian Thomas jr. Or is it going to be a bobble or something like that? Like, I don't want to repeat that again.
01:05:41
Speaker 3: But he did have that shot in the middle of the field early in the game.
01:05:44
Speaker 2: Sure.
01:05:45
Speaker 3: Yeah.
01:05:46
Speaker 5: Yeah.
01:05:47
Speaker 3: So, but again, he, he's the big go down the field threat on that passing game. That's who he is. So he almost has to be on the field.
01:05:58
Speaker 1: But Pete, can Travis Hunter be that guy?
01:06:02
Speaker 3: He can be a down the field threat. He's not the big body guy though.
01:06:05
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
01:06:06
Speaker 3: But again, if you have a big body guy who doesn't jump over the defensive back to make a play, what's the point of having a big body guy like that?
01:06:12
Speaker 1: Yeah.
01:06:13
Speaker 3: Good point.
01:06:14
Speaker 2: Point made. Is there a way? I feel like this team operates best when they do spread the ball around and maybe this is what the defense is dictating. He was getting rushed. Trevor was going where he saw a player that he recognized was on his team. And maybe that's what happened in this game. Does Liam Cohen have to try to get more creative to spread the ball around? Because this doesn't feel like. a way for them to be successful they're not built to just go to one guy they're built to spread it around and then taking away people that you're finding success with it's easy listen I'm under morning quarterbacking of course but when you're seeing what Brent Strange was able to do you see Jacoby Myers has sure hands comes down with the football it feels like you got to dial some stuff up for them is it just not going that way because of the pressure on Trevor.
01:06:59
Speaker 3: Lawrence Well, a week ago, he threw, what, four touchdown passes?
01:07:05
Speaker 2: Four different guys.
01:07:05
Speaker 3: Was that two? Four different guys.
01:07:08
Speaker 1: Yeah.
01:07:08
Speaker 3: So he was spreading the ball around, and he spread the ball around because his offensive line protected him. And you just go back to the Brenton Strange touchdown a week ago. It was a fake bubble screen. The idea is they hit the wheel down the sideline, which they've hit before for a big play. It was covered. He comes back into the middle and hits Strange. That takes time. Well, he didn't have the time for that on Sunday, right? And that's the biggest difference. So I think, and I'm as guilty as anybody. We have a tendency to overreact on one game. After four games, we'll have a better idea where they are. I always say heading into October, that's when you get an idea. But you're right, though. They need to spread the ball out more. Parker Washington is the number one target. We get that. But it shouldn't be 12-1 for Jacoby if he's on the field that much. It should be 12 and four. You know, he's got to get his targets too. Brett and strange needs to get his targets. And, and so that's where the chat, it goes back to that conversation I had with Liam Cohn in the, in the spring, I said, you're going to have a problem spreading the ball around to all your guys. And he says, it's a pleasant problem. Well, it wasn't a pleasant problem on Sunday. It was a, they didn't get the, they didn't spread it around. They went to Parker Washington.
01:08:22
Speaker 1: And also to kind of piggyback off what you're saying. I do think when there's a lot of pressure, and you're a quarterback, I think when you're under duress, you look for the guy that you trust the most. And I think you've seen it in training camp. You saw it against Cleveland. That guy is Parker Washington. We can sit here and say it's wide receiver A, B, C, 1, 2. No, Parker Washington's the guy. If I'm New England, and I get Belichick's not there anymore, so it's different now, but back in the day, if I'm trying to game plan and take one guy out of a game, I'm Bill Belichick, it's Parker Washington. Like, I'm doing everything in my power to say he can't. beat us. And I'm saying, okay, I guess we got to sacrifice stuff on the back end for Brian Thomas Jr. My other big day. That's fine. I'll live with it. But I can't live with Parker Washington having, you know, eight or nine receptions for a hundred something yards. Like he can't beat you.
01:09:14
Speaker 3: Here's the other part of this. When the defense is getting pressure with four guys rushing the passer, They don't have to blitz. And so teams that blitz a lot of times, not as much as in the old days, but you play a man behind it, you turn your back and you play man to man. Well, when you play man to man, you turn your back, screens against a blitzing team, you just throw them over the top, let them in and go out on the field, you're going to get big plays out of that. Did you see any screens thrown on Sunday? Other than the one where it was a one-man screen with Hainsey trying to get out, which.
01:09:46
Speaker 1: Would have been a bit.
01:09:47
Speaker 3: I love the play design, by the way. I'm going to give him props for that play. That was a great play. It should have been a house call. Hainsey just couldn't get out in time to make the block. But other than that, did you see any screens to toot into the backs out of the backfield?
01:09:58
Speaker 2: I didn't.
01:10:00
Speaker 3: Because they didn't need to. It's hard to screen a team that rushes four guys when everybody's got their eyes on you, looking at you to kind of play you that way. So that's something else. If you want to get into that stuff, you better protect the four-man rush. You can't allow that four-man rush to impact the game like it did on Sunday. Otherwise, it limits what you can do on offense.
01:10:23
Speaker 2: Is the offensive line issue... Are we overreacting to a one-week issue against a really great defense, or is this something... where we should be concerned. I know we talked about maybe later in the season, they get some of the younger guys in there. I'm curious if how concerned, cause the Patriots defense is really good. And, and that's, you know, that's what carried them in the post season last year. And Mike Rabel knows how to scheme some stuff up as we've seen throughout the years. Jaguars fans are well aware. So that's where my concern is next week is trying to handle that defense after what I saw out of the offensive line this week.
01:10:57
Speaker 3: Well, and here's the biggest concern about it, too, is Zach Allen destroys a lot of people. He destroyed everybody. I mean, whoever he was matched up against, he beat in the daylights. And he's done that to everybody over the years. He's a great player. Well, where's the strength of the New England defense? The interior. So we're going back to the conversation we had to open the show. Who's got to play better? Hainsey? Cleveland and pregnant. They gotta be better. They gotta be stout. They gotta be able to handle those guys. And so, yeah. And if they don't, if they don't this week, you, you need to make change up there. You need to, you need to get bigger and stronger and more powerful. If you can't handle that up front.
01:11:40
Speaker 4: Yeah.
01:11:41
Speaker 2: Is that just at center P or is that more than one change you want to see?
01:11:44
Speaker 4: Oh, right.
01:11:44
Speaker 3: Guard to right. Guard to. I mean, the right guard was the worst lineman on the field on Sunday, I thought, for them. Ezra Cleveland was the worst. Hainty was probably second. Pregnon was third. Van Landen was fourth. And Harrison was fifth. That's how I would rank them. And by the way, not a one of them were a gold star. I can promise you that. So, and Van Landen was much worse than he was a week ago. And so was Harrison. So, yeah, if you have a problem with Cleveland again this week, Then you've got to change there, too.
01:12:19
Speaker 2: All right. When we come back, we're going to answer your fan questions. There were a lot of them. This is Jaguars Happy Hour presented by Mr. Chubby's Wings.
01:12:32
Speaker 1: Snap to Basial Tootin. Runs to the right. Tries to get the edge. Can he get the edge? He's into the end zone. Touchdown.
01:12:38
Speaker 3: A one-yard touchdown run for Basial Tootin. And Jackson Val strikes first.
01:12:44
Speaker 2: That's Frank Frangie with the call of the game presented by Coil Fence. It's 1927. We've been around the block and fenced it too. First touchdown of the game for the Jaguars and touchdown of the game for the Jaguars. A tough one. Pete, Austin, Kai here. And we're going to answer some of your fan questions because people have stuff they want to know. We've touched on some of this, but we'll try to wrap things up in a bow for everybody that didn't catch it a little bit earlier. So first off, what's the Hunter plans? Why not allow him to play the whole game to get the feel of the game? I think they're assuming maybe it's an injury thing and they're working their way back. Is there a sound answer here? Because I feel like you could answer this two ways.
01:13:26
Speaker 1: Yes.
01:13:27
Speaker 2: Either play him some on offense and then people would be fine with it or play him all the time on defense. But this middle ground P is what's confusing.
01:13:35
Speaker 3: Well, he's a full-time corner who only played 37 snaps on Sunday. That's not good enough. So, Call it what it is. He's either protecting them or they're not playing a guy they traded up to go get all those draft picks to go get them. So it's one or the other. It can't be any in between. And if it's me, he plays every single snap on defense from here on out.
01:14:00
Speaker 1: Everyone. Yeah, I mean, this is the NFL, right? You're not going to always have great days on offense. That's more coach speak for you, Pete. Hope you like that. But on defense, you know that you need him there. because he's your best cover corner. So it's hard to justify taking him out. Once again, unless it's an injury thing, which if it is, then help him out and tell us. But until that point, it doesn't help taking him out and rotating guys in when the game can be on the line. Simple as that.
01:14:28
Speaker 3: Here's the other part of it. If he hit, like you put him in on offense and he went 75 yards and caught a ball and turned it into a touchdown. Then you might not put him out on the field the very first defensive snap. You know what I mean? You might miss a couple, and you could justify that. There was none of that. We haven't seen that. So there's no reason for him not to play every snap.
01:14:49
Speaker 2: Questions abound. We don't have the answers, but hopefully we'll figure things out as these weeks go along, or they will figure things out. Next question is, are the O-line, we talked about the trenches right off the top, are the O-line and D-line issues long-term concerns? Austin, what do you think?
01:15:05
Speaker 1: I mean, no, I think I'm going to call it a one-off right now, but it does feel a little Groundhog's Day when we're talking about, okay, well, where's the pass rush? Where's the interior pass rush? All this stuff, because we've had those conversations, it seemed like, last year as well. But I'm going to chalk it up to playing on the road in a hostile environment against a good Broncos team. And if we see more of the same against the Patriots, then bring out the panic button.
01:15:29
Speaker 2: Petey panicked.
01:15:31
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, if they played poorly this week, then you got to start panicking. But here's the thing. Walker and Heinz Allen were really good in week one. They weren't in week two. They still both were good against the run. They're good run players, but that's not why you pay them that money. You pay them to go get that quarterback on the ground. The ball came out quick. So kind of impacted him a little bit as well. But where is the interior pass rush? And all summer, what do we hear all summer long? 91's in great shape.
01:16:00
Speaker 1: He's healthy.
01:16:01
Speaker 3: You know what? 91, he's going to push the pocket. 91's back. We're going to monitor his snaps, not play him as much. He's going to be good on rushing the passer. Well, has that happened in either game?
01:16:14
Speaker 2: Not that I've seen.
01:16:14
Speaker 1: No. And keep in mind, once again, this is what happens when you lose a football game. then you start questioning every single decision being made of this franchise, right? Like, this is the way the world works. But going into the offseason, going into the draft, some could say a draft need was interior linemen, was a three technique, right? And instead of doing that, they went with, you know, Barker and a tight end and... Didn't really hear his, didn't hear his name called a lot yesterday. I mean, it might've been the run game a little bit, but once again, you're bringing Wyatt Milam into the plate tight end every once in a while. So whatever that is, but like the, these are the conversations that start to happen then Pete, when you start losing football games. Right. And, and right now there's, there's a lack of interior pass rush and interior pass rush might've been a need for you in the draft.
01:17:00
Speaker 3: By the way, Hamilton is a good football player. Devon Hamilton, most people around the league have no idea who he is, but boy, he plugs it up in there. He's a big reason why they're so good in the run game.
01:17:11
Speaker 1: He's okay, right? Because he came back in the game.
01:17:12
Speaker 2: I didn't get an update on his injury. He came back into the game. He went out for a minute. It looked like his back was bothering him. He came back in, so he did finish the game. I haven't seen an injury update on that. I think we'll get a better idea once we get into the week because that would be a big problem.
01:17:25
Speaker 1: You need him for New England.
01:17:27
Speaker 3: You'll get an injury update. You'll get an upper body update. Or maybe a mid-body.
01:17:33
Speaker 2: Well, it's his back. It's a mid-body. It could be either way. Back-body?
01:17:36
Speaker 3: But the way I look at it is from the waist down, lower body, upper body. I'm going back-body, Pete. More ways than we know.
01:17:43
Speaker 1: Pete, I'm going to go back-body. I'm going hamstrings, calves, Achilles. Lower back. Could be, you know, like a trap or something up here. It could be a neck.
01:17:52
Speaker 4: Back body.
01:17:53
Speaker 1: Book it. Listen.
01:17:55
Speaker 3: You know how we always talk about the line, the hockey line?
01:17:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
01:17:58
Speaker 3: Hockey rotations and stuff. That's how they do it. They give out injury reports, and they're always upper body, lower body. So they never tell you what it is. Jacksonville's done that in the past, too.
01:18:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, but with hockey, you know they're going to play regardless.
01:18:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't matter.
01:18:12
Speaker 1: Their leg could fall off. Yeah, you can saw your jaw shut with a broken jaw, and you're still playing.
01:18:17
Speaker 2: LeBron's pretty tough, though. I think he'll be out there if he can be. So we'll keep an eye there, hopefully, because that would be a big problem. Next fan question. Do you think the altitude actually affected the Jags? Courtland Sutton was out there saying he felt like the DBs were gassed when they were going after him late in the game. Austin, have you played at altitude before?
01:18:34
Speaker 1: I have not played at altitude. I talked a lot of smack to Broncos fans last year in altitude. Did you get winded? It was harder than talking smack in Jacksonville in the humidity, that's for sure.
01:18:44
Speaker 5: But.
01:18:46
Speaker 1: I really don't think so. And I get, I forgot who the player was in the Broncos that said like they looked affected by it.
01:18:52
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, you can't go to.
01:18:54
Speaker 1: Denver in December, essentially curb stomp them and embarrass them in their home crowd. And then come back, you know, months later and then blame the altitude. Like, it's not like altitude doesn't rise and lower like the tides in December as opposed to September, right? It's always a mile high. So I'm not going to say that was the excuse.
01:19:14
Speaker 3: I will say, though, that I lived in Denver. I moved to Denver. And when I first moved to Denver, I went and played basketball and I couldn't even breathe.
01:19:23
Speaker 1: I mean, it was.
01:19:24
Speaker 3: adjusting to that going upstairs you feel it you feel it i don't but usually it's like a couple plays in or something and you're like adjusted to it but did you see the camera pan to those guys oxygen yeah yeah yeah they.
01:19:39
Speaker 1: Were sucking that it was a third series i think it was they were sucking that down pete we're not just gonna bypass the breaking story on the show here you're a hooper i still pete Pistol Pete. Oh yeah.
01:19:49
Speaker 3: I used to play all the time. I played at the Y in downtown Jacksonville for years.
01:19:54
Speaker 1: Okay. Are you, are you more of like the facilitator or are you driving like Russell Westbrook? What are we doing here with your game?
01:20:02
Speaker 3: I was, back when I played, I used to do a little bit of both, but I could shoot.
01:20:05
Speaker 1: Okay. Okay.
01:20:06
Speaker 3: I could shoot. I used to play with good players at the Y, man. Okay. There's a player in town by the name of, by Ronnie, his name is Ronnie Cage. He went by, Tennessee was his nickname. He was drafted by the Bulls. Okay. He was just a little slow for the NBA. He used to play in that Y and kill dudes on a regular basis, just kill them. Like NDA players, like Dee Brown, he'd kill him too. And... When you played with him, if you missed a shot, he'd scream at you all, make the damn shot. Like, you know, one of those guys. And so I played him in horse once. I played him in horse once and beat him. And he wanted to play me again. And that was when I had my radio show. He'd call in all the time and he'd start talking about Tennessee State, this and that. And I'd go, hey, Ronnie, before we get to that, What about when I beat you at horse? You never played me again. And you know what? To this day, I've never played him again because I'd lose to him the next time. But as it is right now, hey, Tennessee, if you're out there listening, I'm still the champ, buddy.
01:21:03
Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to put out the cat signal. If anyone has photos of Pete, videos of Pete playing hoops, I need to see it. I need to see it. Somebody has him somewhere. Let's get back into fan questions. Which position group had the worst game and needs the most improvement? Might be what we already just talked about. But, Austin, what would you say?
01:21:23
Speaker 1: Oh, man. I mean, you either go offensive line or defensive line.
01:21:29
Speaker 4: It's the line.
01:21:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, flip a coin. Honestly. Pete, what do you think? Offensive line, defensive line?
01:21:38
Speaker 3: It's the offensive and defensive line. No question about it. No doubt about it. By the way, there's a picture right there.
01:21:44
Speaker 1: Ready? Yeah, bring it down a little bit.
01:21:47
Speaker 3: Can you see it?
01:21:48
Speaker 1: Look at that.
01:21:48
Speaker 2: I had a hair, Pete.
01:21:50
Speaker 1: Look at that AI right there. Oh, yeah.
01:21:53
Speaker 3: That's not AI.
01:21:54
Speaker 1: That's me, man.
01:21:55
Speaker 3: I see you, man.
01:21:56
Speaker 1: Hey, Pete, hold it a little lower because the ring light is kind of in the way. Bring it back, Pete, real quick.
01:22:01
Speaker 3: There you go.
01:22:02
Speaker 1: Let me see that mug.
01:22:02
Speaker 3: Yeah.
01:22:06
Speaker 1: It's not a bad shot there either. A little Larry Bird-esque right there.
01:22:10
Speaker 2: I see the follow through. Short shorts and everything.
01:22:14
Speaker 3: I could shoot.
01:22:15
Speaker 1: Could you get a little more room with the shorts though next time then? Those things looked ridiculously tight.
01:22:20
Speaker 3: That was the John Stockton days. Short, short days. Those looked uncomfortable.
01:22:23
Speaker 1: Those was the ways. They weren't great.
01:22:25
Speaker 2: Believe me.
01:22:33
Speaker 1: Another one.
01:22:33
Speaker 2: What's more surprising from the loss? Lack of pass rush or only scoring 13 points?
01:22:41
Speaker 1: Hmm. Pete, what do you got?
01:22:44
Speaker 2: Points for me after what we saw.
01:22:45
Speaker 4: Yeah.
01:22:46
Speaker 3: I'm going to say only scoring. I'm going to say only scoring 13 points. I think this offense is better than that. I just think that they got caught up in stuff when it got down on the goal line the one time and. and the pressure got to them, I think they're better than that. So I think only scoring 13 points.
01:23:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand that you're paying a lot of money to get after the quarterback as well, but at the end of the day, when it's all said and done, your identity is on offense. You have an offensive-led coach, offensive-led philosophy. So, yeah, the 13 points ain't going to cut it.
01:23:17
Speaker 2: All right, and our final fan question. Do you think that they should have had Trevor on the run more outside of the pocket? How would you, if you were a coach, have helped the offense yesterday? coach you've got austin's got the coach speak so what would you have done on offense differently well.
01:23:34
Speaker 1: Kai i'm glad that you asked that right so obviously obviously this is going to be a marathon not a sprint i feel like we came out with a great game plan got him off temple a little bit but we we got to do a better job of execution um in terms of some play action and and getting trevor some more opportunities uh to run around a little bit and and focus on the ops.
01:23:58
Speaker 3: I half expected you to start saying, my kids practiced great all week and they had a great week of practice. And when they got out there, my kids, they went out there on the field and they decided they were going to do something about it. And I got the heart of a champion, my kids. It's like every coach. That's like a D3 coach in the South.
01:24:16
Speaker 5: The kids.
01:24:19
Speaker 3: You know, every coach in America calls them their kids now.
01:24:24
Speaker 1: Everyone. Okay.
01:24:25
Speaker 3: Not in the NFL, but in college, in high school.
01:24:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, the college guys are kids.
01:24:28
Speaker 3: My kids.
01:24:29
Speaker 2: Making millions.
01:24:30
Speaker 3: They're still kids.
01:24:31
Speaker 1: Pete's on like a Juco coach right now. Okay.
01:24:35
Speaker 3: I mean, and then every coach in the NFL nowadays says right after everything. So like I told you last week, listen, you'll notice it as much as you think. I just think they could have bootlegged them more, got them on the perimeter a little more, maybe, but... You got to run the ball and do that. Who's respecting that if they're not running the ball? And I think you said it, Austin, earlier, play action. Tootin', tootin', tootin'. Give them the ball.
01:25:04
Speaker 2: Run the damn ball. All right, when we return, we will talk about what went on across the NFL. Lots going down, including some injuries that maybe aren't as severe as expected and an impressive defensive stat line for former Jaguar. We will discuss that on Jaguars Happy Hour, presented by Mr. Chubby's Wings. Welcome back into Jaguars Happy Hour, presented by Mr. Chubby's Wings. We're in the Hyundai studios, and we are back to talk about what's been going on around the NFL. And, of course, we are brought to you by Paramount Plus, the streaming home for your live local NFL on CBS games. They bring us Pete Prisco as well. So the good news about the Jaguars losing their 1-1, that they're still in first place in the AFC South because every other team is 0-2. What's going on with the Texans, Pete? Everybody told me they were going to be amazing.
01:25:57
Speaker 3: Yeah, and losing two games at home to open the season is not a good look at all. I mean, they're in a big hole, and that's actually an enormous game this week. They play Indy. They're both 0-2. The team that goes to 0-3 is basically done. So, look, C.J. Stroud threw for 350 yards. Didn't play that great. Their weapons are nonexistent. No Nikhil Collins. He's hurt. Higgins went out. So I think they have big problems. The defense actually played pretty well against Cincinnati, but that team has issues. The Colts are terrible on defense. We saw that against Patrick Mahomes and the week before against Lamar Jackson. And the Titans, well, they're the Titans. But according to that graphic, they're in second place right now.
01:26:47
Speaker 2: I think it says more about the Eagles probably that they went there and almost lost, but another story for another day. Let's talk about our former Jaguar, Devin Lloyd, who has a stat line of stat lines. And yes, they were playing the Falcons. I understand it's Cooper Rush.
01:27:05
Speaker 1: Cooper Rush, yeah.
01:27:05
Speaker 2: Nine tackles, two tackles for loss, two interceptions, one of which was a pick six, a sack, a quarterback hit, three passes defended.
01:27:16
Speaker 3: Pete.
01:27:17
Speaker 2: That's crazy.
01:27:19
Speaker 3: Well, a week ago, he was awful. He was terrible. Well, what do we do?
01:27:23
Speaker 2: We bounce back. It's a week-to-week league.
01:27:24
Speaker 3: Big props to him for bouncing back. Yeah, he bounced back. I mean, he did a really nice job. He played good. He was good on Sunday. And look, the Falcons think it was Jack Strand's first pass I think he picked off for a touchdown. You know, the fourth-string quarterback. So take it for what it's worth. But he was good on Sunday. You can't take it away from him. He was all over the field.
01:27:45
Speaker 2: A couple of quarterback injuries. Austin, we've been talking about this one. Caleb Williams looked like he was going to be gone for years to come and now maybe back this week. So he went down with an on-contact injury. I'm not laughing at him. It was just more of the memes. The memes are hilarious.
01:28:01
Speaker 1: I'm going to laugh at you, man, because, you know. We're not getting too personal, but he's on my fantasy team, right? So I'm watching the game. Oh, dude tore his Achilles like that. That's horrible, right? And everything. And the reaction said, okay, that's an Achilles. That's going to be a year-ender right there. And then they bring out the cart and everything, towel over him. He's waving at the crowd with his mustache looking like Freddie Mercury jacked up and everything. And then to hear Ben Johnson say, it might happen for Monday night. I am proud to report that Caleb Williams will be sitting four games at least on my bench because just out of principle, you can't get carded off. You can't, you know, say it's over with the hamstring. There's kids watching. my son watched that and i was gonna think oh if caleb williams can do it i'm gonna have to get out this math test real quick oh there goes the hammy like take me to the hospital like i'm over it caleb you.
01:28:50
Speaker 3: Gotta be better man you gotta be with you we were watching that we were watching on sunday in our green room and we're all like oh he's done that's an achilles oh my gosh the season's over whatever And then the way he acted on.
01:29:02
Speaker 1: The card around, what was the.
01:29:04
Speaker 3: Last time you saw somebody go on? When was the last time you saw somebody go off the car on a cart for a hamstring?
01:29:09
Speaker 2: Yeah.
01:29:10
Speaker 3: I mean, have you ever?
01:29:12
Speaker 1: No, Pete, I, in pop Warner football, I broke my leg. I broke my tibia and I'm like, coach, I think my leg is broken. He goes, well, that's cool. Get up and walk it off. We'll go to the hospital. So I'm getting up with like, you know, the bone getting ready to put shoot out the skin. It's football, man. Like that was the most basketball thing I've ever seen.
01:29:29
Speaker 3: It was crazy. And you know what? he's going to get so much abuse for that from the opposing players every single game.
01:29:39
Speaker 2: And kind of rightfully so. It was a little much. That was like full Paul Pierce in a wheelchair in the finals.
01:29:44
Speaker 3: That's exactly what it was like. It was like Paul Pierce. And here's the other part of it. If he truly is hurt and he's going to miss a little more time and they're playing the gamesmanship game, then they're doing him a disservice as well. You know, he says, oh, it's going to be week to week or whatever. If he's out for six weeks, they're doing the kid a disservice. You know how you just said... I mean, I don't know. I just thought it was... The theatrics were amazing. It was theatrical.
01:30:13
Speaker 1: I mean, do you think... Has Caleb Williams ever, like, hurt his hamstring before? Is that his first time?
01:30:17
Speaker 3: I'm unaware.
01:30:18
Speaker 2: Maybe he's never been hurt before. I don't know what his injury history is, but... Also, and this is just, I mean, they're tough. You guys are tough. Football players are tough. We just don't see people react like that a lot. And we see a lot of gruesome injuries pretty frequently, unfortunately. And so it was just more out of character. So your immediate reaction is, oh, my gosh. Like, we don't see.
01:30:37
Speaker 3: Which is why I thought it was the Achilles.
01:30:39
Speaker 2: Well, right. Even Daniel Jones tore his Achilles here last season. And he just basically sat on the turf. So to see that was very, I was very concerned.
01:30:50
Speaker 1: Yeah.
01:30:50
Speaker 2: Or even like Jaden Daniels, another player that got injured, dislocating his elbow again, which was gruesome to look at. And that's a person that needs a cart maybe because that looks like I don't even know if I would have been able to be awake for that.
01:31:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to resuscitate me if I'm looking at my bone popping through my elbow. I'm like, okay, good night.
01:31:10
Speaker 3: That was gross.
01:31:11
Speaker 1: That was a gross one.
01:31:12
Speaker 3: Clear? Yep.
01:31:14
Speaker 2: Arm doesn't bend that way.
01:31:15
Speaker 1: You know, it was funny.
01:31:15
Speaker 3: It was weird, but those two happened, and then the Jaguars were playing Bo Nix. He was in that draft, too, wasn't he? Wasn't that the draft he was in? Yeah, three years ago.
01:31:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yep.
01:31:24
Speaker 3: Was he? No, he wasn't in that draft. He was in the last.
01:31:27
Speaker 1: No, it was. Bo Nix was the Drake. It was Drake May class. But Caleb Williams was in the Drake May class, or no?
01:31:33
Speaker 4: Right.
01:31:34
Speaker 3: It was Caleb Williams, Drake May, and Jade Daniels.
01:31:37
Speaker 1: And Jackson Dark.
01:31:37
Speaker 3: Bo Nix was in that class the next year, right?
01:31:41
Speaker 1: I think so, yeah. Yeah. I don't know.
01:31:45
Speaker 2: Yeah.
01:31:45
Speaker 1: All right.
01:31:46
Speaker 3: But you, but two guys at the top of that draft class, both, both out now, or at least one of.
01:31:53
Speaker 1: Them is one of them is going to play in a week probably. So we'll see.
01:31:58
Speaker 4: Right.
01:31:59
Speaker 2: Chargers fall to own two. When are they getting their first win? At Bills, at Seahawks, versus the Broncos, at Chiefs, at Rams, versus the Texans, at Ravens.
01:32:10
Speaker 4: Yikes.
01:32:11
Speaker 2: They going 0-9?
01:32:11
Speaker 3: They might go 0-9. We counted that. And I said, if they went 0-9, is Jim Harbaugh in trouble?
01:32:19
Speaker 2: I would say so.
01:32:20
Speaker 1: How can you not be?
01:32:21
Speaker 2: That's terrible.
01:32:22
Speaker 1: How can you not be?
01:32:23
Speaker 2: That's indefensible.
01:32:24
Speaker 3: Because they... Well, they paid a boatload of money to pry him away from Michigan, so they might justify it, but I'm with you. If they were 0-9 with Justin Herbert and Mike McDaniel, let's not forget, he was going to come fix the offense. If they're 0-9, I think Harbaugh is in big trouble.
01:32:41
Speaker 2: If you keep Harbaugh after that, you have to clean house everything else, absolutely everything else and got it and restart. Cause that's the only way you can pitch that in my opinion, because that's.
01:32:49
Speaker 3: But he has a new offensive coordinator and he has a new defensive coordinator. I don't know what else he can do.
01:32:54
Speaker 2: We'll blame everybody else.
01:32:55
Speaker 3: That's a telltale sign that the coach is next.
01:32:58
Speaker 2: We'll see. All right. Saints get a win over the Ravens who had a big win in week one. Again, the beginnings of the seasons, who's good. Who's not. Are the saints good?
01:33:09
Speaker 3: I think Tyler shock is good.
01:33:11
Speaker 1: Okay.
01:33:11
Speaker 3: I think they have their quarterback. I mean, he's good. I don't know how good they are because they still have a lot of young players playing, but they play hard and tough, and Tyler Shuck to Chris Alave is a hell of a combination. So they don't even have their other rookie. Jordan Tyson's supposed to be the other receiver, and he's been hurt. So I think the Saints are an interesting team that could push for that division title.
01:33:36
Speaker 1: Yep, with eight wins to win it.
01:33:38
Speaker 2: That's all it'll take, guys. That's all it's going to take. All right, tonight.
01:33:41
Speaker 3: Look at those teams.
01:33:43
Speaker 2: Tonight, an NFC matchup in Los Angeles. The Rams have returned from down under. They'll try to get their first win of the year. They're going to take on the New York football giants. Young quarterback Jackson Dart, your reigning MVP Matthew Stafford. Who you got?
01:33:57
Speaker 1: Can we get the ball one more time on the screen? Oh, that's a Cooper Rush pass right there.
01:34:01
Speaker 4: Got it.
01:34:05
Speaker 1: Is Puka playing? Do we know that yet or not?
01:34:07
Speaker 2: I haven't looked into it. I think that was going to be a game-time decision.
01:34:09
Speaker 3: Who's playing? Puka. We don't know if he's playing yet.
01:34:12
Speaker 1: Yeah. Is it a hip? It's a lower body injury, isn't it? Is that what they're saying? It said hip, not a groin. I can't foresee the Rams going 0-2 after winning a Super Bowl.
01:34:22
Speaker 4: At home.
01:34:23
Speaker 1: Give me the Rams.
01:34:24
Speaker 6: Yeah.
01:34:26
Speaker 3: I think it's a blowout. I think this is a terrible combination for a young team. You're the Giants. You're feeling good. You win a division game. Now you've got to go all the way across the country against a team that's rested after they played in Australia, that looked bad, didn't do the things that everybody thought they would do, and they were a dream team. Stafford is going to light the Giants secondary up. I'll take the Rams big.
01:34:48
Speaker 2: All right, you guys are both going Rams. I'm keeping track, by the way. Pete, you're 1-0. Austin, your own one.
01:34:55
Speaker 1: Well, and that was out of respect for my son. I didn't know we were actually keeping track of him.
01:34:58
Speaker 2: Oh, well, this is for real, for real. So you've got to take it serious going forward.
01:35:02
Speaker 1: Sounds good.
01:35:03
Speaker 2: We've got a couple extra minutes, so let's talk about this matchup against the Patriots. We all agree it's very important. Give me a key to victory, if you will, Austin. What's going to be really important in that matchup?
01:35:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you.
01:35:15
Speaker 1: You got to stop their run, right? You have to make them one-dimensional because they haven't showed the capabilities with Drake, man, that wide receiving court to beat you. So you stop the run. Hopefully Devon Hamilton is going to be healthy. And to put one thing, just win the trenches. Win on the offensive side of the ball and the trenches win on the defensive side of the ball. There you go. That's one thing.
01:35:34
Speaker 5: Ish.
01:35:35
Speaker 3: I think block the interior of that defensive line. The one thing every quarterback in the NFL hates is interior pressure. They're good at it. The line last week didn't handle theirs very well. They have to be able to be stout in the middle and let Trevor Lawrence sit in there and throw the football.
01:35:51
Speaker 2: When it comes down, we've talked, we've hammered this home, certainly the trenches are where it all begins. Will that fix the other stuff? Is this a trickle-down effect when you really get home? I feel like this is a good football team, and if you can get those things corrected... The other stuff should fix itself? Question mark?
01:36:07
Speaker 3: I think Liam Cohen fixes itself. I think if they protect in the middle, he'll come up with a game plan to get the ball to the right guys, and they will have a better offensive plan this time around. Look, again, when you call a play like you called to Tootin', everything works exactly the way you wanted that play to work, except for Hainsey getting out and getting the safety on the ground or even getting in his way. Then I think that's not on the coach. That's on the execution of the player. So I think I get... I think tootin' needs to be more of a factor in the run game. That will help open everything else up down the field.
01:36:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think the play action and everything help out Trevor Lawrence a little more, let him use his legs to create open spaces and everything. I think that's going to be the key to victory. And, hey, you're going to get a big dub at home, and we're not even going to talk about how many reps Travis Hunter played on offense or defense because we won't care because they won.
01:36:54
Speaker 2: A win is always nice. Anybody got some guarantees? I'm not going to bait anybody into a lock, but what are we going to see in this matchup? You're the predictor, Pete. Do you have anything?
01:37:04
Speaker 3: I think Jacksonville wins the game. No, they win the game. I'm not a big believer in that New England offense. I think Drake may struggle, and I think they turn him over. I think the line plays better. I'm not guaranteeing it, though. I'm not guaranteeing it.
01:37:15
Speaker 1: Put the keys on the table. Go ahead, Austin. Make a guarantee. No, I'm good. I'm taking my joggers. Hey, pan up. I'm taking my joggers in, right? We got to play. It's a marathon, not a sprint, okay? I need three wins to get those joggers. I'm good right now.
01:37:28
Speaker 2: We're going to keep it low key. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I locked on the way out and that didn't play out well. So we're going to, we're going to keep it calm this week. This is an, I'm going to call it a must win. And I think they'll find a way to get things done. And I'm going to go on the toot and train like Pete and say, I think we're gonna get two toot and touchdowns, at least in this matchup.