Dean Devlin Interview p2, The Expanse, Partnership with William Shatner, and Business Advice | #108

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Hi everybody. My name is Ryan t Husk.
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Is it My name is Kim Bowen, and welcome to
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the Creation Entertainment Podcast.
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We've got a great show for you.
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Today, We sure do. I'll tell you all about it.
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We start off today with Part two of the Dean
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Devlin Interview, covering his later career which he was producing
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shows like The Librarians and Leverage and on.
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The pop culture Cinema Squad.
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Adam and I get into the Amazon Prime series The
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Expanse and excellent series for those hardcore Si FI fans. Plus,
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in the Creation Looks Back segment, Adam and Gary talk
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about their valued partnership with William Shatner, who helped them
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in their early days of Star Trek conventions.
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And finally we've got some more business advice from Creation
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co CEO Gary Berman. All this and more on The
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Creation Entertainment Podcast.
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Hi, it's Adammnon And in Part two of my exclusive
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interview with creator, director, producer and writer extraordinaire Dean Devlin,
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we talk about a string of successful TV series including Leverage,
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The Librarians, The Arc, and Almost Paradise, and some of
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his go to people, including director Jonathan Frakes, and Uber
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actor Christian Kane. Also, at the time of this airing,
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TNT has announced the premiere of Librarians the Next Chapter,
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which will premiere on May twenty twenty five. Also, the
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third season of Leverage Redemption has just dropped recently on
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April seventeenth on Amazon Prime Video, and finally, season three
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of SI the Arc has been greenlit yay and she
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drops sometime in twenty twenty six. Dean shows no sign
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of slowing down and continues to thrill fans around the
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world with an explosion of wonderful content from his Electric
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Entertainment banner. I hope you enjoyed the second part of
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my sit down with the incredibly talented Dean Devil.
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Let's talk about Electric Entertainment. How did the company come about?
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We had a chance to work with your producing partner,
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Rachel Olshan Wilson. We love Rachel. She's fantastic, fabulous and
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an equally huge creative force that you have with her.
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How did Electric first come about?
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Well, when Roland Emeric and I ended our partnership, I
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wanted to start a new company, and at that time
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Roland really didn't want to run a company anymore. He
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just wanted to be a director, so he very graciously
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allowed me to take a lot of the company with me,
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including the people who were working in that. Rachel was
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one of them, Mark Roskin, Peter Winter. There was a
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bunch of people there that all came with me to
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start a new company.
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But forgetting for interjecting a Centropolis whose entity was that, well,
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it was Roland's company, and then he brought me in
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and I ended up being a partner in it.
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But when I left, I left Centropolis with him and
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I went to start a new company. Got it and
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in that time, in that year is when my parents died.
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And my father's giant passion in life was electric cars,
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and he had the very first EV one and made
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me get like the ninth EV one, And so I thought,
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in honor of my father who had just passed, who's
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a movie producer who had inspired me, I named the
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company Electric Entertainment.
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That's awesome, And then how did you meet Rachel?
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So Rachel started with me at Centropolis as my assistant,
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and she just worked her way up over the years.
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And Mark Froskin had started as a PA on Universal
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Soldier and he worked his way up to being the
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head of development for us, and then when I started
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Electric I brought them both and I said, guys, partner
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with me on this amazing.
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It's such an incredible think tank of creatives that you've
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surrounded yourself with. I mean it blows my mind. Leverage,
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what a show, What an incredible show? Much less leverage,
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redemption the original leverage. I mean, it's like it's lightning
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in a bottle.
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Who developed the pitch for it?
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And how did the beginning of getting made?
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Well, I had been making a series of movies for
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TNT called The Librarian, which we'll.
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Talk about and we love those movies, by the way,
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as well as the series. Well, right around the time
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we were going to the upfronts to promote the third movie, Yeah,
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Michael Wright, who was the head of TNT at the time,
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said to me, when the hell am I going to
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get a TV series out of you? And I said, well,
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what do you think about a show of a group
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of high tech thieves who function as modern day Robin Hoods?
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And he goes sold And it was that simple.
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So I called up John Rodgers, who I had worked
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with on developing a feature script, and I said, do
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you want to do a Connon High show, and he said,
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that's so weird. You said that because Chris Daney and
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I this morning were just pitching ideas on a connon
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you know what, this is going to be my directorial debut.
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loved that script so much, I wasn't going to let
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anyone else have it.
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The cast is incredible. Each of them has such a
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great role. And I don't want to kind of get
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too deep into because we'll never.
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Get through it. But you had five six seasons of
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the original show, five seasons, seventy seven episodes.
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Yeah, it was incredible. And of course John and Chris,
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who I guess were co showrunners, much less your whole
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fleet of your whole writing staff, but especially John and
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Chris are so incredible and they're so They're so talented,
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and so this there was this recurring riff about a
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Storenco security system in the series, and when we did Hey,
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I'm like the world's number one Jim Storanco fan. I
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think we talked about this obviously either John or Chris
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are huge Toranco fans. But anyway, I brought this, I
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was going to wear it, but I decided it's too much.
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Or but we did this, fat us. We did this
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for the convention. Don't don't blur on me, baby, come
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on blurring. It doesn't it doesn't want to show it. Oh,
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there you go, Storenco security system. There's always Sderanco security
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systems that the team is trying to penetrate. So that's
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a that's a great reference in there. And obviously the
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show's DNA got kind of partly transposed after it ended
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into the new series. And so when when the original
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Leverage ended, did you just know, even maybe before it ended,
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that you were going to you're going to move on
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to a redemption.
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Well, I loved doing leverage so much that as far
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as I was concerned, I was not going to rest
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until I got to revive it. And I mean literally
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the very next year, I went to every single network
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and tried to pitch them on taking on leverage.
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that I thought, Okay, that's the perfect home for this,
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and I went and I pitched it to them and
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they got it. They couldn't have been more supportive and
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better partners, and they allowed us to come up with
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a new version of the show. And you know, the
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third season is about to debut in a couple of weeks,
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and I could not be more proud of that show.
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I mean, we can't wait for a war. It's been
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waiting on bated breath. So what is the release date?
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Now we know what it is? April seventeenth. April seventeenth.
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I actually already have it on my phone. But okay, okay,
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So Noah Wiley, I mean, we're going to talk about
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the Librarians, but bringing him to Redemption just seems like
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such a great move.
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How did that? How did that all come about?
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and five or two thousand and four, sorry, two thousand
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and four on the first Librarian movie. And I didn't
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know him before that, and I hadn't you know, I
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had respected him as a as a very intense dramatic actor.
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I thought the work he did on Er was incredible,
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but I had no clue how great he was at comedy. Yeah,
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and when I got to work with him on Librarian,
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I was just blown away. I mean, here he was
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going toe to toe with Jane Curtin and Bob Newhart
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and holding his own and surpassing in many ways. I
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just fell in love with work with him. And he's
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an ego actor. He's incredibly intelligent, he's a filmmaker, he's
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a writer, he's a director. So when you work with him,
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you really get a partner. And I just loved it.
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So when we had the chance to reboot or reinvent Leverage,
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he was the first call and I said, do you
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want to come and do this crazy thing with me?
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And he was a little resistant at first, because you know,
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he hadn't been there from the beginning and he didn't
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know how he'd fit in. And he, you know, really
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really as a favor to me, he came on board
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and from the very first table read, it was so
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apparent that he was just going to slide in seamlessly,
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and it was just it was like magic.
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on the show.
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He fitted so great. But let's just kind of backtrack
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to Librarians. Of course, the three films were amazing, and
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then they begat the TV series. That's right, and I
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love the the TV series. I'm a huge Rebecca Romain fan,
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Oh yeah, but all of them, John and Lindy, and
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of course we have to talk about your acting news
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Christian Kane. We haven't even guys to Christian yet, but
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you know, again, you have a magic for putting together
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great ensembles. Are you part of that casting process? That's
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a gene Roddenberry trick, really finding a the alchemy of
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a great ensemble.
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How does how do you make that happen? Well? John
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Rogers says that that's my superpower. And I don't know.
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Maybe it's because I started as an actor, but casting
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has always been the thing I think I'm best at.
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about good experiences. I don't just cast for who's going
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to be great in front of the camera. I try
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to cast for who's going to be great behind the
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scenes as well, And that's why the sets are so well,
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so well loved. You know, Rebecca, Lyndy, John Kim, Noah Wiley,
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and Christian Kane.
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You can't have more fun on set. These are such
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lovely people with such a great attitude ego lists, and
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it just makes the whole experience so much better.
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the magic that you see on camera, because they don't
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they're not just good actors working together.
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They actually care about each other and they support each other.
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Librarians has this amazing balance between drama and humor that's
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so wonderful about it. I mean, there's tons of urgency
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and dramatic energy, but at the same time that incredible
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sort of fun aspect to the show. Librarians is just
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a it's a fun show and it's so enjoyable to
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watch it. The concept of the library itself, where did
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that come from?
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I love the Library. I love it.
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So the original movie was written by a man named
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David Titcher, and he had come to my office and
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pitched a movie which I kind of liked but didn't love,
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and I said, let me think about it. And then
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the next day I repitched back to him the Librarian
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and he goes, yeah, all rite that, And so that's
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really where it came out of. It was that first
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pitch meeting and the first movie kind of set up
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this world, and we had so much fun with it,
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and it was a shocking success. It was the highest
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rated movie on television that year, not highest rated movie
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for television, highest rated movie period on television. And so
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then they asked for a sequel, and we did a sequel,
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and then that one was the highest rated, and then
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they asked for a third one and that was the
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years ago that are still selling today. It's really remarkable.
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I mean it's amazing, and I would be remiss if
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I love John Larachett.
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I just thought that Jenkins is a great character and
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that he took on sort of that paternal quality.
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to say I didn't I mean I knew his work,
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but I didn't know John Larrachett personally. And it was
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of the Week with him a couple of years ago.
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I said, what was it, like, he goes, She said,
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what talent he was, but I needed to know how
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great he was. And sure enough. I mean, you couldn't
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have a better guys that.
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Okay, So, speaking of Ader Pound Gorillas, we got to
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talk about Christian Kane. He's kind of like, you're not
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quite a James Bond, but he's sort of the action
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super action hero, multi function, multipurpose almost like a kind
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of a Kurt Rustle of his generation. Just talk about
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Christian Kane. I mean, the guy is so incredible. Well,
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we've now done five TV series together. Yeah, so I
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think I think it's to say that I think.
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He's pretty talented.
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good friend, and he's a guy who's had enormous success
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and yet he has no He will do anything to
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He'll go anywhere, he'll shake anyone's hand, he'll sign any
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autograph you know, he still to this day appreciates his success,
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and you don't see that a lot.
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Christian has always cared about his fans. He's always cared
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about community, and you know, so I've just had the
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best experience working with him. I've now done several shows
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with him, and I love what he brings to the table,
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and you know, and I'm just really proud of the
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way he carries himself.
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I mean, he's he's one of your super weapons. So
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librarians begat the librarians the next chapter. So tell me
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a little bit about the genesis of that of that show.
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had just lost all of their DC properties, and so
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they were looking for a show that could, if in success,
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branch off into other shows so they could get a
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replacement in a way for the DC universe, like.
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A universe of of IP. That's right.
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Yeah, they didn't have the kind of budget that would
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allow us to reboot the original show, so I came
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up with what I thought could be a fun spin
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off within the world of the librarians and could be
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done at the budget that they could afford.
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And they loved it. They loved the idea, and.
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You know, my secret hope was, all right, well, I'll
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sneak in some of the original librarianes into some episodes
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and in great success, maybe that will justify also doing
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a reboot of the original show. Well, we ended up
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getting this amazing cast once again. Christian Kane came in
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and did a couple episodes to help us make the transition,
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and the show came out so much better than I
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had hoped. It was so much bigger, bigger than the
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original show, even though we had a much much smaller budget.
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And all of a sudden, I got a phone call
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from TNT and it was Sam Lensky, who had been
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there from the very beginning with Michael Wright, and Sam said,
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is there any way that you think you can move
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the show off of CW and over to TNT? And
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I was like, oh my god, I don't know. Let
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me see what I could do. And it was a
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it was a it was a lot of gymnastics, But
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the people at Next Star and the people at CW
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really turned out to be terrific, and they allowed us
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to move the show and so to get to to
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get to bring Libraries back to where it was born
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twenty years ago.
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It's an incredible gift.
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And in an all fairness, Next Star's purchase of CW
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was transforming that network anyway, and get getting the show back.
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To T and T. Actually, I think was a really
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great great move. It it feels right, it feels like
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we're back home. Yeah, yeah, so it was a great move.
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I like the narrative spine of next Chapter with your
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time traveling you know character Chamberlain. Uh, it's a it's
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a kind of a great spine to drive the narrative.
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So that's a great invention right there.
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You know, well, you know you were mentioning the the
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electricon and it was so interesting because before we did
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our panel on the new Librarians, I was getting stopped
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by a lot of fans who were crossing their arms
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across their chest, sing well, I don't want new librarians.
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I like the old librarians and I'm not I don't
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think I want to watch this new one. And then
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we did the panel and we showed the first ten
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minutes of the pilot and it got a standing ovation
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and all those people who'd been skeptical said, all right,
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I'm in, I'm in.
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I love this. This is great.
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And it was such a great moment, and especially for
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the new cast to because the old cast was there
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for their panel and they kind of like handed it
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off to the new cast, and that was also an
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incredibly generous a bit from the original cast and accepting
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and for the fans to accept it was just the
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highlight of my life.
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And I think Ghanish, it's a validation that we already knew.
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But because it's a great show, there's not enough time
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in this interview to cover every freaking show that you've done.
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I do want to talk about Almost Paradise. I love
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that show. It's been two seasons so far. I'm praying
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we have another season coming.
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We don't have it.
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We don't have it yet, but you know, I'm still
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out there from you know, I'm throwing elbows.
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So I love that show.
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A lot of people and actually a lot of people
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are not aware of the show.
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Well, the original season was on WGN, and just before
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we debuted, they decided to change the network into an
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all news network. So the show was just kind of
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dumped out there, and then when that season was over,
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I was able to move it to Amazon and Amazon
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was shocked, that's how well these reruns played on Amazon.
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They were kind of blown away at the numbers and
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they said we'll pay for another season. We did another
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season and that did spectacularly well. But unfortunately, right after
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we did that, they killed Amazon Freeby, which is where
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we were on, and we've been number right right.
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Yeah, so a lot of people just haven't seen it. Yeah,
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it's a great it's a great series. Now the decision
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to take production to the Philippines, does that have anything
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to do with your own Filipino heritage or yes?
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But I have to say it was actually my wife's
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idea because I originally had written it for Hawaii. While
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my wife and I were on our honeymoon, I was
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watching local news and it gave me this idea and
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I wrote out this concept and then I developed a
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script with Gary Rosen, but it just sat on the
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shelf forever because I don't know why is expensive to shoot?
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There were other shows in Hawaii. Yeah, and it was
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literally years later when my wife said why is this Why?
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Why isn't it the Philippines.
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You're Filipino and nobody's done the Philippines.
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It's so great, it's so fresh, it's fresh. It's the
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only Western scripted television series to ever be shot.
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The fantastic and it's a great ensemble. Of course, once
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again bringing back the great Christian Kane, who's so great
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in that role.
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It might be my.
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Favorite role he ever played. To be honest with you,
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it's so amazing, and you film it out there and
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then you bring in some amazing people. I do want
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to mention Art Kuna, who I think is so talented,
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and Samantha Rochelle.
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Cohorts. Uh, you know, a special show.
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And just on a personal note, I'm really I'm pulling
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for the thing, you know, so thank you. Fingers crossed
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that it's going to go to another another season. I
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just kind of wanted to before we end this just
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get onto ARC because I'm you know, as a sci
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fi fend ARC is a special show to me. I
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love that show. And but first you film in what country?
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Serbia?
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It's Serbia, and of course a lot of them, you know,
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much of the cast and the crew are Serbian. So
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how does something like that come about? Notwithstanding that they
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have an amazing community of creatives there. But how does
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you know production in Serbia come about?
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Well, you know, we originally did a show there called
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The Outpost, and we were so pleased with how how
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great the production ran and how great the local talent
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was that later than I did a feature film there
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called The Deal, and again we had a fantastic experience.
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So when when Sci Fi Channel picked up the Arc,
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we knew that we were going to have a very
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very limited budget, but my ambitions for the show were grand.
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So the question was how do you put a grand
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vision with very little money? And the answer came up Serbia.
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So we brought it out there and had an incredible
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experience with season one, season two, we decided to top
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ourselves and I really think in every level we did.
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And now we're about to start shooting season three and
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hopefully we all don't die making.
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This because the ambitions are through the roof.
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But like I said, we've got the right people with
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the right attitude, and I think we'll pull it off.
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And again you've struggled with your ensemble, who are so
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great people, you know, like Christy and Reese, who has
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been a player on some of your different shows.
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That's right.
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And Richard Fleischman, I mean they're incredible. So this is
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a Jonathan Glasner show.
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Too, right, that's right, that's right. And I can't help.
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But notice that his daughter has an incredible role on
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the show.
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She's well, it's so interesting because the role was meant
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to only be like one or two episodes. Oh no,
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she's too good for that. I love the character so much.
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I can't said John, Yeah, I said, John, we're not.
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We're not. We're not killing Kelly. We're not. We're not
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killing this character.
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And then it just kept growing and growing and now
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she's one of my favorite characters on the show.
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Yeah, she's awesome, and we're very excited about season three.
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Do we have any idea when it's going to drop or.
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I don't know where they're going to air up, but
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we start shooting it in a few weeks. So, oh,
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so you're just about to go into production on season three.
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Very exciting.
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Well, I hope through your ever present website that fans
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will be able to get updates on it as it's
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in development. Yeah, before I get your parting thoughts, just
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any other new projects on the horizon, that you wanted
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to speak about at this time. Well, we're in the
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middle of shooting season two of The New Librarians. Your
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Librarian's the next chapter, next chapter, and it's just again,
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it's amazing to get a season two pickup before season
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one is even aired. But you know, like I said
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on April seventeenth, Leverage Redemption, season three starts airing and
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very soon after that, the New Librarians are going to drop.
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So it's going to be a fun summer and then
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and then before we know it, arc season three. That's right.
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Will you ever find time to do another movie again?
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Or what?
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We actually? You know what? We we have a movie.
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It's called One Big Happy Family, and it's been playing
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to standing ovations at the Jewish film festivals around the
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United States and we are we are planning on a
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theatrical release at the end of this year through AMC
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theaters and we're really really excited about it.
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We'll be looking for that.
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Any parting thoughts on the legacy that you've left us,
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You've left thus decades of amazing creative content. We're so
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grateful for it. And I mean, how does it feel
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to just kind of put good creative work out there
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into the world.
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Well, you know, I won't I won't take too much
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time on it, but I'll just say, you know, a
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few years ago, we started our own channel, on our
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own app called Electric Now, and we've been able to
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aggregate our fans from the different shows all into one
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place and to marry these fans together into a single
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place where they can see not all of the stuff
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we've made, but a great deal of the stuff that
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we've made is on the app, and it's on the
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Live channel, and we have original shows coming out this
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year that we're making just for the channel.
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And so we're real excited about where that's going. And
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you know it.
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It sometimes I feel like I'm Howard Hughes in his
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screening room watching all of his movies over and over
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again because I keep turning on our own channel.
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But I guess that's the streaming version.
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And it's not only that you've put all that creative
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work out there, it's that you get to constantly collaborate
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with so many amazing creatives. For me, you know, as
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a musician, working alone is really not that. When you're
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working with an ensemble of creatives, That's what the creative
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life is all about, you know, Jean Paul Sutras said,
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bliss is propimity to creation, and I absolutely believe that
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a wonderful way to end it. You've been very generous
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with your time, Dean. Thank you so much, you bet
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and well, good to see you, and we're all looking
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forward to your projects in the future. Everybody, keep watching
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and go to electric now you can get.
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All the skinny.
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Thank you very much, take care again, Bye bye bye.
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Well we're back again, ladies and gentlemen. I'm Adam Allen,
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joined as always by my illustrious colleague Ms Kit Bowen.
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Kit Hi back again. Great to be in the office.
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Yes, talking about it show we both really really really loved.
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Oh my god, I think the expanse is one of
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the great sci fi TV series. We've loved it. We
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loved it over the six seasons that it was on
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the air. I guess at some point moved over to
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Amazon and it's actually start on.
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Sci fi I believe, and then it moved over to
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Amazon so you can actually watch all of the seasons
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or six of them on Amazon Prime.
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Funded by Jeff Bezos. Thank you, Jeff, you were obviously
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a sci fi visionary.
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Yeah, I when I described this this show to people,
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I say, look, you gotta be a hardcore sci fi.
523
00:28:24.039 --> 00:28:26.079
I mean you thought Track was.
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You know, complicated and you know, lots of different moving
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parts and whatnot. Expanse like outdoes Star Trek. I think
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in that regard, don't you.
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It's it's very, very deep, and we will do our
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best to navigate this so called academic discussion on the Expanse.
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We just love the show and there's a lot to unpack, kids,
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so we'll do the best we can to navigate this.
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00:28:51.039 --> 00:28:53.359
First of all, it's based on a book. Yeah, it's
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based on a book by James S. A.
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Corey, who is actually a couple of guys. It's a
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pen name for a couple of guys. They're Daniel Abraham
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and Ty Frank the two.
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They're brilliant writers. They're incredible. Yeah.
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And then it's Mark Fergus and Hawk Ostpi, who are
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the ones who created Mark and.
539
00:29:13.279 --> 00:29:17.880
Hawk were the developers of the series. But honestly, I
540
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think the heart and soul of the show is our
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own Narraine Shankar, a name known to Star Trek fans
542
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and a guy that's been coming to our shows for
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many years. He was really I think the de facto
544
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showrunner on it for most of its tenure and did
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an incredible job. So Raine, wherever you are, this one
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is for you.
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We love you.
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Wow. Well, let's try and start with kind of broad
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views about the content of the series. In the future,
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humanity has colonized our solo system and it's created a
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complex multiplanetary society with three major power areas. There's the Earth,
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which is governed by the UN, there is the Mars,
553
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and then there's the Outer Planet's Alliance, also known loosely
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as the Belters.
555
00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:11.079
Right, and these are people who have been born and
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raised in states.
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The Belters, Yeah.
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Belters, they've been born and raised in space, so they
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know nothing about living on a planet.
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Yeah, And in fact, their bodies are sort of elongated
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and not as muscular from the effects of being in
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low gravity, so they kind of look physically strange.
563
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But the show, I mean probably in the book they probably.
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A little bit. Yeah. The show is set roughly three
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hundred and twenty five years in the future, where you
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have settlements on the Moon, Mars out in the asteroid belts,
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and we've been doing terraforming and there are major political
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tensions between the different planetary alliances and faction shifts.
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That's how we open the show.
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Basically, there are the un and the Martian military are
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vying for control and resources, and then the Belters feel
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very marginalized, which they are.
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They're kind of like the working class.
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I would say, right, So they're kind of aggrieved and
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they're fighting for independence through something called the OPA, the
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Outer Planet's Alliance, which is going to figure very importantly
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in the show. Now, before we kind of talk about
578
00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:21.960
the cast, let's just kind of look at some of
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the broad strokes of what's happening on the show. One
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of the core conceits or threads, foundation spines of the
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show is an alien technology which has a profound, profound
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influence on our solo system and the future of humanity.
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So let's try and unpack the proto molecule, which.
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Is something I would Adam and I would talk about.
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This show, and he'd always just go the proto molecules
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into the Proto monegul. It was very very intense situation.
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But it's not it's actually a living thing, well not exactly.
588
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I'll try and explain this. It's close to being living,
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but first of all, there's a lot of spoilers in
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this discussion, so forgive us if you haven't seen the series.
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You know, I think it's worth listening to us because
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you'll understand the series a lot better if you have
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some of this contrasts.
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There are fifteen man, you probably won't even touch upon some,
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but there.
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Are fifteen or twenty incredible sequences throughout those six seasons.
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We're going to touch on some of the amazing sequences,
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but first you sort of got to get wrap your
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head around the proto molecule. Now, the proto molecule was
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brought to our Solar System on the moon Phoebe, and Phoebe,
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which is an asteroid, sorry, it's a small planetoid or
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moon of Saturn, was originally Extra Solar System, and it
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was hurled into our Solar System literally a billion years
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ago by the mysterious Ring builders. And these ring builders
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were a highly advanced alien civilization, that's right, Although they
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probably could have had the technology to build a ring
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of one ring, but these ring builders they, well, as
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we're going to find out, created a series of rings
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which are transport hubs throughout the galaxy, and they clearly
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were using it as a way to travel faster than light,
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sort of like a wormhole two different parts of the
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galaxy quickly, and they were very very advanced, sort of
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like the Krell from Forbidden Planet. But overnight, just like
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the Krell, they disappeared because of a mysterious unknown alien
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entity or entities called the Aggressors. And we'll talk a
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little bit about the Aggressors, but we know very little
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about it anyway. So this protomol molecule is embedded onto
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the moon phoebe curled into our Solar system from god
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knows where and is captured by Saturn's orbit, and the
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proto molecule that's on it remains dormant until it is
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discovered by humans, whereupon it begins to initiate its self
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replicating and matter manipulating abilities. The proto molecule, see, I
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thought it was a lie, but it's not actually alive.
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What it is it is a system that can duplicate
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itself and initiate control over matter, not just living matter,
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but non organic matter as well. So it has the
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ability to manipulate matter as well as living systems. And
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as I did mention, although it's a mysterious thing, the
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Ring builders that created that were eliminated by the aggressors. Now,
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the proto molecule was discovered on Phoebe and the Outer
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Planets Alliance, led by a wonderful character, Fred Johnson. They
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deliver this proto molecule to Euros as an experiment.
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And Fred Johnson's a belter, right, well, Fred Johnson is,
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but he sort of has some inner planet connections and roots.
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But he does in fact become a part of the
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Outer Plants Alliance and is involved in the stealing of
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a very pivotal space station on the show, which eventually
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is called the Behemoth. We'll get to that. But the
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Outer Planets Alliance wants to test the potential of the
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proto molecule on Euros. Meanwhile, there's lots of belters that
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work on eros mining resources, minerals and stuff, and.
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They get infected.
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I it's like, this is not a good thing that happens.
644
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It reminds me of the Last of Us.
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The fund is kind of suggest Yeah, I mean it's
646
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not good that, you know, you end up with people
647
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that have the body of a crab and the head
648
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of a social worker. It's not a good thing anyway.
649
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So okay, just as a side note regarding Fred Johnson
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and the Outer Planet's Alliance. They steal a space station
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which was actually the Church of Latter Day Saints wonderful
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Mormon friends their station, the LDS Medina Station. They grab
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it and it becomes the Behemoth, and they're hoping to
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use it to gain some kind of strategic control over
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the Solar System. But more importantly, they want to use
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the proto molecule as a way to control the Solar System.
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But little did they realize that the proto molecule was
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way beyond their technical ability, and they enlist a scientific
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organization to work with them, but it quickly proves not
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to be harnessable. At one point they're trying human uh
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proto hybrids, and those are really screwed up. You don't
662
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want to deal with.
663
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Invitos kind of sort of spearheaded by the one doctor Mao, right, Yes,
664
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he's the one who's spearheading.
665
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You have the name of that actor, by the way,
666
00:37:15.960 --> 00:37:18.440
he's uh, we've seen him in a lot of different
667
00:37:18.800 --> 00:37:23.960
show He's a he's a fan favorite. Anyway, The proto molecule,
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it clearly has a sentience of its own or its
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own directional ability and as it overtakes the Eurostation. Uh,
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it gets out of control. And uh so at the
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end of season one, I mean there's a mystery this building.
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The actually the daughter of the scientist Juliette maw She
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has doctor Maos a daughter. She becomes infected and uh,
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Thomas Jane comes on the scene. The actor Thomas Jane,
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who plays a detective, is trying to get to the mystery.
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Of what happened to her, right, and doctor mal was
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paid by Frances.
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Yeah, who we love. He's a great great actors. Anyway,
679
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by the end of the first season, you know this, uh,
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this proto molecules taken over euro Station.
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And and we haven't gotten to let's get let's get
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to our rag tag team.
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Let me let me just.
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Say what happens at the end of the station. So
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there's this Porsche love who's there, right, and then there's
686
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all these particles of proto molecules flying all around him, right,
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and then they coalesce into the silhouette.
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Of a man.
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He's like looking at him. He says, what what is
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this thing? And it reminded me of this Japanese sci
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fi movie from the sixties called The h Men. Which
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for those of you that are a thousand years old
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like me, can remember that because of radiation experiments. Quote
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you know, I guess this is the Japanese uh, you know,
695
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memory of Roshima. They did a lot of sci fi
696
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films regarding radiation and stuff like that, Godzilla after that.
697
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This is sort of like kind of a way in
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which through sci fi they were trying to catharicize themselves
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from the understandable trauma of World War Two. And these
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h men who are like these blob dudes that slide around,
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they can take the silhouette forms of human and then
702
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they grab you anyway, So the proto molecule can create
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the silhouette of a man and the guy's like looking
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at it and he's saying, what is this that it's
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flicking around back and forth. The next thing, you know,
706
00:39:34.519 --> 00:39:36.800
these big tentacles come down and they grab you kit
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and they fling them back up to the top of
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the euro Station and there's some sort of big blob
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00:39:42.000 --> 00:39:47.159
thing up there. So clearly the proto molecules going crazy. Okay,
710
00:39:47.679 --> 00:39:52.760
thrust into this, thrust into this crazy proto molecule business
711
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is the rag tag team of the wonderful Rosenontic, which
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by the way, is a reference to Don I believe
713
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that's his horse, the Man of But okay, kid, why
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do you set up first of all the crew of
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the Rosinanti.
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00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:10.679
Right, So I guess there's they they.
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I think originally it was another ship and they renamed
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it the Restainanti.
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But it's uh, it's.
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Led by Stephen straight Us James Holden.
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And he's fantastic, very you know, heroic, he's very stalwarts.
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He's you know, he's always he's a good guy, wants
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to do the good, you know, the good thing.
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Now, Stephen was in that movie ten thousand BC.
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Yes he was.
726
00:40:33.320 --> 00:40:35.719
He was fantastic in that film. For those new fan
727
00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:39.000
completess that remember that he had a buddy, a savor
728
00:40:39.079 --> 00:40:41.039
tooth tiger buddy in that movie.
729
00:40:41.800 --> 00:40:44.639
Anyway, anyway, I think he's a kid actor anyway, So
730
00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:47.920
joining him on this sort of they've kind of all
731
00:40:47.960 --> 00:40:51.119
had to come together because of you know, circumstances. We've
732
00:40:51.119 --> 00:40:55.760
also got Alex Kamal played by cass Amvar who's great.
733
00:40:55.880 --> 00:41:00.440
Naomi Nagati, one of my favorite characters, played by Dominique Tripper,
734
00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:04.079
and then Amos Burton West.
735
00:41:03.840 --> 00:41:05.559
Chatham, the Great Shadow.
736
00:41:05.719 --> 00:41:07.599
He's just Chatham, Yeah, Chatham.
737
00:41:08.079 --> 00:41:10.360
He is just Finn. He's like the brute. He's kind
738
00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:12.440
of like the muscle of the.
739
00:41:12.440 --> 00:41:14.960
Group, although he's actually quite beligious.
740
00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:17.639
And Naomi is kind of the you know, she's she's
741
00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:22.639
a belter, so she you know, has never you know,
742
00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:24.079
been on the Earth or.
743
00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:28.199
Anything, sympathies to their cause and she and James end
744
00:41:28.280 --> 00:41:30.679
up having a thing later in seasons.
745
00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:35.360
This is also an Earth and then Alex is actually
746
00:41:35.400 --> 00:41:35.920
a Martian.
747
00:41:36.199 --> 00:41:39.559
But Naomi, as we discovered towards the fifth season or so,
748
00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:44.800
had a child and a love affair with a very
749
00:41:44.840 --> 00:41:45.880
nefarious character.
750
00:41:46.039 --> 00:41:49.119
Marcos Scenario becomes the villain the last two seasons.
751
00:41:48.920 --> 00:41:51.360
So we'll get we'll catch up to him. But I
752
00:41:51.840 --> 00:41:54.559
did want to mention that and and also that, uh,
753
00:41:54.960 --> 00:41:56.960
it's again a multi ethnic cast.
754
00:41:57.519 --> 00:41:57.679
Uh.
755
00:41:57.800 --> 00:42:00.760
Theyre sort of have factions from around the Solar system,
756
00:42:01.360 --> 00:42:04.559
so they're representing the interests of a lot of different parties.
757
00:42:04.679 --> 00:42:04.800
Right.
758
00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:06.800
So then in the first season, we're also introduced to
759
00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:09.639
Joe Miller, who's sort of a detective played.
760
00:42:09.280 --> 00:42:10.960
By Greg Thomas Chain.
761
00:42:11.119 --> 00:42:14.400
Yes, yeah, and he he's the one he's been assigned
762
00:42:14.440 --> 00:42:17.000
to try to find doctor Mao's.
763
00:42:16.639 --> 00:42:17.239
Daughter, Julian.
764
00:42:17.679 --> 00:42:18.079
That's right.
765
00:42:18.119 --> 00:42:20.599
So that's how he ends up connecting with the Russinati
766
00:42:20.639 --> 00:42:21.800
and they end up on Europes.
767
00:42:21.840 --> 00:42:25.719
And at the end of season one, forget about the
768
00:42:25.760 --> 00:42:26.920
wonderful head of the.
769
00:42:26.920 --> 00:42:29.079
Ub that's what I said, the head of the u
770
00:42:29.199 --> 00:42:33.360
n how do you I guess it's Christian. Christian played
771
00:42:33.400 --> 00:42:40.079
by the wonderful She is just an unbelievable actress.
772
00:42:40.119 --> 00:42:43.599
If you've ever seen a movie called and is just
773
00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:44.079
one of us.
774
00:42:44.320 --> 00:42:48.960
Anyway, twenty four thousand other things we do her, We've
775
00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:52.159
we've had her and Ashley yeah uh and several because
776
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:55.639
she was in Star Trek as well as several members
777
00:42:55.639 --> 00:42:58.440
of the Expanse cast have been a creation events and
778
00:42:58.480 --> 00:43:00.400
have thrilled our Arding's.
779
00:42:59.840 --> 00:43:03.519
Just she She plays a very savvy, very politically savvy
780
00:43:04.280 --> 00:43:07.199
part of the un on Earth, and you know, she
781
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:10.119
has her own agendas and many sorts. But she's I
782
00:43:10.119 --> 00:43:13.719
would say she's complicated, but she's definitely a good person.
783
00:43:13.800 --> 00:43:15.960
In the end and a foul mouth just like me.
784
00:43:17.719 --> 00:43:18.239
She does.
785
00:43:18.440 --> 00:43:22.440
Yeah, so she's the one kind of you know, orchestrating
786
00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:26.480
or being part of whatever this weird Cold war thing
787
00:43:26.519 --> 00:43:27.800
that's happening between.
788
00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:30.320
Hers quite a cold wars and.
789
00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:33.280
The OPA and all of this, So she's a very.
790
00:43:34.480 --> 00:43:37.440
Meanwhile, back out on the outer edge of the Solar System,
791
00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:42.639
the OPA, now realizing that Euros is out of control, figures, well,
792
00:43:42.679 --> 00:43:45.679
we might as well throw it at Earth. We'll get
793
00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:48.519
the Euros and we'll just send it to Earth. And then,
794
00:43:49.159 --> 00:43:51.840
since obviously this thing is out of control, we might
795
00:43:51.880 --> 00:43:54.960
as well screw up Earth, because you know, because we're
796
00:43:55.280 --> 00:43:58.119
the Outer Planets Alliance, might as well mess up Earth.
797
00:43:58.639 --> 00:44:01.280
So they send it hurtling towards Earth, and then something
798
00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:06.280
crazy happens. The asteroid changes course on its own because
799
00:44:06.400 --> 00:44:10.519
literally the proto molecule has taken control of the drive
800
00:44:10.639 --> 00:44:15.760
reactors of the asteroid and then diverts it, you know,
801
00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:18.599
kind of like ooh, mao, mao. Whatever the name of
802
00:44:18.639 --> 00:44:21.519
that asteroid is. Actually that came into our Solar system
803
00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:24.559
a couple of years ago and then changed course, which
804
00:44:24.639 --> 00:44:27.440
was really creepy in real life. This is sort of
805
00:44:27.440 --> 00:44:32.639
the same thing. It changes course, yes, and it's creepy.
806
00:44:33.320 --> 00:44:36.400
Some guys think it was actually some scientists believe it
807
00:44:36.440 --> 00:44:39.920
actually was some kind of a thing that we'll never know,
808
00:44:40.400 --> 00:44:45.559
but anyway, So Euros hurdles into the atmosphere a Venus.
809
00:44:46.079 --> 00:44:50.000
It's gone inside a Venus. So that's a crazy thing.
810
00:44:50.239 --> 00:44:55.639
Yeah, And unfortunately in that in that crash, the Joe Miller,
811
00:44:55.679 --> 00:44:58.599
the active by Thomas Jane.
812
00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:01.880
Is killed, yes, which is very it's not really killed, no,
813
00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:06.119
because you're sort of resurrected as a ghost, and partly
814
00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:10.559
I believe because of an errant piece of proto molecule
815
00:45:11.039 --> 00:45:14.559
that's hidden on board the rust And right, okay, so
816
00:45:15.280 --> 00:45:18.199
now the un of course at this point knows that
817
00:45:18.280 --> 00:45:21.719
Eros has crashed on Venus and they're like, well, what
818
00:45:21.800 --> 00:45:23.119
the heck is going on here?
819
00:45:23.199 --> 00:45:26.800
So they put an observation ship, the arbo Gas, in
820
00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:31.559
orbit around Venus and then things go crazy and takes
821
00:45:31.599 --> 00:45:39.519
over basically the disassembled in this incredible I mean, it's
822
00:45:39.519 --> 00:45:44.800
an amazing scene, wonderful. It deconstructs into all it's nice trying.
823
00:45:44.599 --> 00:45:48.719
To go into the Yeah, yeah, go through whereever it is,
824
00:45:48.800 --> 00:45:49.320
and you.
825
00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:51.800
Know, and so like the guys that are like sitting
826
00:45:51.840 --> 00:45:54.239
in the control panels, all of a sudden the whole
827
00:45:54.239 --> 00:45:56.960
ship is deconstructed and they're like looking around and they're
828
00:45:57.000 --> 00:46:00.920
basically in the flying through the atma fear of Venus
829
00:46:01.000 --> 00:46:02.760
on themselves. So it's not a.
830
00:46:02.719 --> 00:46:04.840
Good way to add No kind of reminded me of
831
00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:11.719
the three body problem with the technology answer, yes, yes, yes.
832
00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:19.280
Anyway, So now the proto molecule is doing something crazy
833
00:46:19.360 --> 00:46:23.760
on Venus, and the next thing, you know, this biomechanical
834
00:46:24.119 --> 00:46:29.760
mass rises from the surface of Venus heads out into
835
00:46:29.800 --> 00:46:33.119
the Solar System. It's like two thousand and one on steroids,
836
00:46:34.000 --> 00:46:40.559
and then around near Neptune it unfurls itself in this
837
00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:47.400
incredible manner and slowly starts to weave into this enormous ring.
838
00:46:48.440 --> 00:46:52.559
And so now we realize that the proto molecules manifest
839
00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:56.159
destiny or purpose by the ring builders is to create
840
00:46:56.360 --> 00:47:01.840
these rings that the ring builders use to create travel
841
00:47:01.960 --> 00:47:05.199
portals in different parts of the galaxy. So now you
842
00:47:05.320 --> 00:47:07.639
got this ring up there, and of course everybody in
843
00:47:07.639 --> 00:47:10.280
the Solar System wants a piece of the option to
844
00:47:10.280 --> 00:47:13.000
figure out what this thing is, what can they do
845
00:47:13.039 --> 00:47:13.239
with it?
846
00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:15.239
Yeah?
847
00:47:16.280 --> 00:47:19.480
Is it a real estate opportunity? I mean, is it
848
00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:21.599
like can you get fast food in there? I mean whatever,
849
00:47:21.639 --> 00:47:26.039
It's a good thing, all right. So if you remember
850
00:47:26.559 --> 00:47:29.440
this slub, one of the first guys that wants to
851
00:47:29.440 --> 00:47:31.559
try and go inside of it see what's going on.
852
00:47:32.039 --> 00:47:34.639
So this guy, he's like, he's like a speed He's like.
853
00:47:34.639 --> 00:47:37.679
A speed I should I can go through it and
854
00:47:37.880 --> 00:47:43.000
go super fast through the ring, and and the ring
855
00:47:43.199 --> 00:47:44.639
has a speed limit.
856
00:47:44.719 --> 00:47:49.519
Okay, just like in your municipality, you should not be
857
00:47:49.639 --> 00:47:53.079
driving too fast. This slub was driving too fast, kid,
858
00:47:53.159 --> 00:47:54.119
and what happened to him?
859
00:47:54.440 --> 00:47:58.880
He basically he just turns it to Google.
860
00:47:58.880 --> 00:48:03.840
Man, he's like, and it's just like everyone's like, fantastic.
861
00:48:03.920 --> 00:48:04.639
Yeah it was great.
862
00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:06.280
And poor kid had to go in and clean the
863
00:48:06.280 --> 00:48:08.199
whole thing up. But it was a disaster.
864
00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:09.440
Just clean myself up.
865
00:48:09.519 --> 00:48:13.239
Oh yeah, yeah yeah. So I mean it's really this.
866
00:48:13.199 --> 00:48:17.480
Becomes like a major nemesis to everything that happens for
867
00:48:17.519 --> 00:48:19.840
the next few seasons, and then we're introduced into some
868
00:48:19.920 --> 00:48:27.360
other great characters. I love Bobby Draper by Frankie Adams
869
00:48:27.480 --> 00:48:30.320
is her name. Yeah, she becomes she's a Martian. She's
870
00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:34.159
sort of a soldier from from Mars, but she becomes
871
00:48:34.280 --> 00:48:39.239
Christian's protege. She takes her under her wing to sort
872
00:48:39.280 --> 00:48:43.079
of you know, guide her along, and she's super badass.
873
00:48:43.119 --> 00:48:45.639
And I just thought she was fantastic too, And of
874
00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:48.079
course she plays into a few things here and there,
875
00:48:48.159 --> 00:48:49.840
but yeah, she's she was one of my.
876
00:48:49.800 --> 00:48:53.559
Other favorite She's a I'm gonna guess that she is
877
00:48:53.840 --> 00:49:00.000
a She's Australian or first First First Nations lady. Yeah,
878
00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:07.000
he's fantastic. We also have Ah Karen g As coming
879
00:49:07.039 --> 00:49:10.199
to Drummer, who is also another amazing the Belter.
880
00:49:10.480 --> 00:49:14.119
Yeah, so she comes from Nami's world. They are actually friends.
881
00:49:14.159 --> 00:49:15.039
So yeah, and.
882
00:49:14.960 --> 00:49:19.400
She's she too, is you know she's she? You think
883
00:49:19.480 --> 00:49:22.639
she's an ally of the O p A or what
884
00:49:22.880 --> 00:49:27.480
ends up becoming Marcos what's his name? And yeah, who
885
00:49:27.519 --> 00:49:31.039
wants to just basically take over everything. He's he's super
886
00:49:31.559 --> 00:49:34.079
pissed off. He's got the huge Huges chip on his
887
00:49:34.119 --> 00:49:35.800
shoulder and we.
888
00:49:35.719 --> 00:49:36.840
Should get to the roots of that.
889
00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:37.400
Yeah.
890
00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:43.400
So before he comes along, we meet the great David Strathherna.
891
00:49:43.960 --> 00:49:48.159
I love him. He plays a Belter pirate named Klas
892
00:49:48.519 --> 00:49:53.360
Ashford and he's just larger than life character. He's super fantastic,
893
00:49:53.719 --> 00:49:57.320
and he becomes first officer on the Behemo. So he's
894
00:49:57.360 --> 00:49:59.679
working for the Outer Planet Alliance and he gets on
895
00:49:59.840 --> 00:50:03.400
very well. Then well then we discovered that there is
896
00:50:03.440 --> 00:50:07.719
also another political entity called the Free Navy, and the
897
00:50:07.719 --> 00:50:12.400
Free Navy has been founded by Philippe Inaros, and Philippe
898
00:50:12.440 --> 00:50:16.920
has got a son who is out of control named Marco.
899
00:50:17.599 --> 00:50:21.320
And that's he's played by Alexander.
900
00:50:20.800 --> 00:50:26.719
Who is fantastic. So anyway, he's a character that he's
901
00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:33.199
they the o PA has got Marco trapped. They got
902
00:50:33.320 --> 00:50:37.039
him under, you know, in their lock up, and then
903
00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:40.840
somehow or another he warms his way out of it.
904
00:50:40.960 --> 00:50:47.119
They decide not to kill him. Fatal mistake to kill him.
905
00:50:47.559 --> 00:50:51.679
Such a stupid move, because soon enough he turns the
906
00:50:51.800 --> 00:50:59.199
tables on him and now uh Ashford uh Strathann's character
907
00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:05.000
is now inside of an airlock and gets spaced in
908
00:51:05.119 --> 00:51:11.159
an epic spacing scene while he's like singing a like
909
00:51:11.239 --> 00:51:14.559
a Scottish anthem or something, and he just.
910
00:51:14.519 --> 00:51:16.320
Goes out in style. Let's just say that.
911
00:51:16.440 --> 00:51:18.920
I mean, oh my god, it's so incredible. But at
912
00:51:18.920 --> 00:51:21.280
this point, now it's so obvious that this guy Marco
913
00:51:21.760 --> 00:51:27.519
in Aros, he's completely out of control and completely unredeemables.
914
00:51:28.599 --> 00:51:36.480
And we discovered that he also was Naomi's uh former
915
00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:40.159
love and they have a son. Yeah, so they they
916
00:51:40.400 --> 00:51:43.119
have this whole thing between them, and he wants her
917
00:51:43.199 --> 00:51:45.119
to come back, of course, but that's never going to
918
00:51:45.159 --> 00:51:49.840
happen anyway. So Innaros and the Free Navy of course
919
00:51:50.000 --> 00:51:54.679
want to and and decimate, not only take over the Ring,
920
00:51:54.760 --> 00:51:59.639
but decimate the Solar System and takes revenge for again
921
00:51:59.840 --> 00:52:04.559
the how they feel that the colonial Earth and even
922
00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:09.599
Mars factions sort of ruined the Solar System and created
923
00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:14.960
a race of disenfranchised belters as such. And so he
924
00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:19.440
decides he's going to take vengeance on Earth, and he's
925
00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:23.320
going to do it with these humongous asteroids that he
926
00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:28.320
gets dragon and it fits him with the stealth technology,
927
00:52:28.760 --> 00:52:31.480
so he can throw them at Earth without Earth knowing
928
00:52:31.519 --> 00:52:34.480
that they're coming, because Earth is ostensively got some defenses, right,
929
00:52:35.519 --> 00:52:39.760
but he has a stealth technology so you don't see
930
00:52:39.800 --> 00:52:44.519
him coming. And he is successful in you know, one
931
00:52:44.559 --> 00:52:48.360
in particular that just has a global impact, almost as
932
00:52:48.360 --> 00:52:51.719
bad as the dinosaurs, right or the time the Creation
933
00:52:51.880 --> 00:52:56.800
got evicted from one of our previous locations iest of course,
934
00:52:57.920 --> 00:53:01.079
but but yeah, no, it's terrible, it's terrible.
935
00:53:02.079 --> 00:53:05.400
Thousands of millions people die, Millions of people die, including
936
00:53:05.719 --> 00:53:09.440
Christian's husband, I think is that or something like that. Yeah,
937
00:53:09.480 --> 00:53:11.920
so anyway, yeah, it's it's not a good thing, and
938
00:53:11.960 --> 00:53:16.679
he's able to get that off. But this, this proto
939
00:53:16.719 --> 00:53:19.800
model could kill whoever's guiding it, from the Ring bearers
940
00:53:19.800 --> 00:53:20.639
and the aggressors.
941
00:53:20.639 --> 00:53:21.960
But what are the aggressors saying?
942
00:53:22.639 --> 00:53:27.280
Well, we're getting towards the end of the sixth season,
943
00:53:27.400 --> 00:53:30.440
but and we will talk about that. But first, there's
944
00:53:30.519 --> 00:53:33.760
a number of places there. They go to some places
945
00:53:34.519 --> 00:53:39.000
inside of the Ring. There are actually portals, two different
946
00:53:39.000 --> 00:53:44.480
parts of the galaxy, and so they start to go
947
00:53:44.599 --> 00:53:46.880
through some of these different portals.
948
00:53:46.400 --> 00:53:49.440
And for whatever reason, obviously it's why I say they're
949
00:53:49.480 --> 00:53:54.000
not really living, but they are intuitive. So Stephen Strait's character,
950
00:53:54.159 --> 00:53:58.480
so James Holden, he's accepted basically, so he's allowed.
951
00:53:58.199 --> 00:54:00.760
Into the He they don't destroy him. He goes into
952
00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:01.119
the Ring.
953
00:54:01.320 --> 00:54:03.440
Well, what is the reason for that? Does he g
954
00:54:03.440 --> 00:54:05.519
have like a piece of proto molecule that's.
955
00:54:05.360 --> 00:54:09.119
Effected something or they just know he's not I mean,
956
00:54:09.280 --> 00:54:10.360
that's basically it is.
957
00:54:10.519 --> 00:54:12.440
He's connected psychically with.
958
00:54:12.559 --> 00:54:15.599
Them, with Thomas Jane and who's already in there and
959
00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:16.440
that kind of thing.
960
00:54:16.480 --> 00:54:18.599
So Joe Miller is already in there, so yeah, so
961
00:54:18.760 --> 00:54:21.719
he's able to go the only one in there. Yeah,
962
00:54:22.599 --> 00:54:25.559
and if you go slow enough, they will allow you
963
00:54:25.639 --> 00:54:26.000
in there.
964
00:54:27.440 --> 00:54:31.320
And so there is a group of them that go
965
00:54:31.480 --> 00:54:35.280
through to a planet, right, and they have a series
966
00:54:35.320 --> 00:54:37.280
of sequences and I want to say the fifth or
967
00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:43.360
sixth seasons on this planet with some experiences that that
968
00:54:43.480 --> 00:54:47.079
planet also had been terraformed by the Ring Builders. And
969
00:54:47.119 --> 00:54:52.360
there is some Ring latent or inaction ancient Ring Builder
970
00:54:52.400 --> 00:54:55.599
technology of the planet that is activating, right, and it
971
00:54:55.679 --> 00:54:56.559
almost threatens to.
972
00:54:57.320 --> 00:55:01.199
Uh, because when it's activated, then it becomes well, why
973
00:55:01.239 --> 00:55:03.840
should we let humanity live? Obviously all they want to
974
00:55:03.840 --> 00:55:05.400
do is kill each other. It was one of those
975
00:55:05.480 --> 00:55:09.440
kind of situations that get set up. And so I
976
00:55:09.480 --> 00:55:12.440
guess it's whoever it is the aggressors or whoever they're like,
977
00:55:13.360 --> 00:55:16.039
you know, we're going to just annihilate everybody, because why
978
00:55:16.079 --> 00:55:18.119
it won't just start over basically.
979
00:55:17.639 --> 00:55:20.719
But I guess for they're able to turn that technology
980
00:55:20.760 --> 00:55:23.719
off so that they're not killed. And there's also another
981
00:55:23.760 --> 00:55:26.320
storyline which is from some of the later books, because
982
00:55:26.320 --> 00:55:28.679
there are how many books in the ex there are
983
00:55:28.719 --> 00:55:33.880
several books in the Expanse series, the Ring series. There
984
00:55:33.880 --> 00:55:34.480
are these.
985
00:55:34.239 --> 00:55:38.280
Creepy dog creatures. Yes, and you know, you never.
986
00:55:38.119 --> 00:55:41.039
Really quite find out from the and I'm not familiar
987
00:55:41.039 --> 00:55:44.440
with the book community, but from the show continuity, they
988
00:55:44.519 --> 00:55:47.039
can kind of bring you back to life sort of.
989
00:55:47.639 --> 00:55:52.400
So the colonists have a kid who dies, right, Well,
990
00:55:52.400 --> 00:55:56.119
first we find a bird that's brought back to.
991
00:55:56.320 --> 00:55:59.199
This is in season six, so it's sort of setting
992
00:55:59.280 --> 00:56:02.360
up for what be in the future. Obviously they yeah,
993
00:56:02.639 --> 00:56:05.239
they didn't continue the series, but it would have been
994
00:56:05.280 --> 00:56:07.719
a spin off of some sort where this young girl
995
00:56:07.960 --> 00:56:10.039
is resurrected or her brother's resurrected.
996
00:56:10.480 --> 00:56:11.320
Yeah, and in.
997
00:56:11.239 --> 00:56:17.000
Fact, this boy is resurrected. But you know, he's definitely weird.
998
00:56:17.079 --> 00:56:20.719
I think his blood is like black and he's not quite.
999
00:56:20.599 --> 00:56:24.159
Like pet cemetery. Okay, so he's not out to kill everybody.
1000
00:56:23.800 --> 00:56:28.119
No, but he's definitely not weird. He's definitely weird. You know,
1001
00:56:28.119 --> 00:56:31.239
whenever they bring you back, you're never the same. We
1002
00:56:31.360 --> 00:56:35.599
have some employees you're a creation. Once they actually work
1003
00:56:35.639 --> 00:56:40.400
a creation, they're never the same again, but a good way.
1004
00:56:40.519 --> 00:56:44.639
So that's creepy. And we never really find out the
1005
00:56:44.719 --> 00:56:48.320
full intent of these alien dogs, but.
1006
00:56:48.800 --> 00:56:51.000
Clearly it kind of leaves a little bit of it
1007
00:56:51.280 --> 00:56:53.400
cliff hanging, but let's okay.
1008
00:56:53.440 --> 00:56:56.000
So anyway, so we know Marcus eventually is.
1009
00:56:56.119 --> 00:56:59.719
Defeated, and well what happens is they're coming down to
1010
00:56:59.760 --> 00:57:04.360
the of the finale and we think that he's he's
1011
00:57:04.559 --> 00:57:07.599
he's actually going towards Earth to try and do an
1012
00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:11.559
endplay and destroy the Earth with the Rosinante in fast pursuit.
1013
00:57:11.639 --> 00:57:15.360
But he is able to get to Earth before them.
1014
00:57:15.800 --> 00:57:18.920
It just when all is lost, all of a sudden,
1015
00:57:19.679 --> 00:57:24.599
it's the galactic eraser once again. The aggressors they just like.
1016
00:57:24.599 --> 00:57:26.639
Kind of go.
1017
00:57:29.079 --> 00:57:31.599
This happened, by the way, once earlier in the series
1018
00:57:31.639 --> 00:57:33.840
we saw an example of their work where all of
1019
00:57:33.880 --> 00:57:38.880
a sudden, matter just comes to a standstill and you see,
1020
00:57:38.920 --> 00:57:41.400
it's like an eraser. You know. This is sort of
1021
00:57:41.440 --> 00:57:44.639
like when our teachers in grade school wanted to erase us,
1022
00:57:44.880 --> 00:57:47.639
you know, or get stuff off the blackboard. They would
1023
00:57:47.679 --> 00:57:49.760
go like that. It's the same kind of thing. And
1024
00:57:49.760 --> 00:57:53.960
then so Marcos's ship is frozen. You see the aggressors
1025
00:57:54.039 --> 00:57:57.559
of their back again. He's gone, which is good, I
1026
00:57:57.599 --> 00:57:58.440
do want to you know.
1027
00:57:58.519 --> 00:58:02.039
So that's basically in and nutually, Yeah, lots of unpacked lots,
1028
00:58:02.079 --> 00:58:05.079
but it's it's really worth a ride, and you definitely
1029
00:58:05.079 --> 00:58:07.320
want to, you know, pay attention and whatnot. You may
1030
00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:09.119
have three watch some stuff here and there. And there's
1031
00:58:09.119 --> 00:58:11.280
some parts to some seasons that were a little better
1032
00:58:11.280 --> 00:58:12.159
than other season and.
1033
00:58:12.119 --> 00:58:13.679
We've probably gotten a couple of things wrong.
1034
00:58:13.800 --> 00:58:16.440
But yes, but I want to talk about one scene.
1035
00:58:16.519 --> 00:58:20.920
Another scene that I thought was so fantastic was Naomi Nagatti.
1036
00:58:21.079 --> 00:58:23.639
She is the mother of this young son and Narcos
1037
00:58:23.719 --> 00:58:26.360
is trying to turn her son into you know, basically
1038
00:58:26.360 --> 00:58:29.199
into another bad guy or his broget or whatever. So
1039
00:58:29.280 --> 00:58:32.440
she feels really bad about abandoning him. There's all that
1040
00:58:32.559 --> 00:58:35.920
kind of those family issues going on. But she is
1041
00:58:35.960 --> 00:58:38.199
going to be killed, I guess or something, and she
1042
00:58:38.320 --> 00:58:41.320
decides she's going to try to jump out into space
1043
00:58:41.360 --> 00:58:42.280
to get to this.
1044
00:58:42.239 --> 00:58:46.199
Like row ship, right, she has to literally jump from
1045
00:58:46.239 --> 00:58:50.320
one ship to another ship through the vacuum of space
1046
00:58:50.719 --> 00:58:51.159
and wit.
1047
00:58:53.159 --> 00:58:55.440
It was one of the most amazing sequences I have
1048
00:58:55.639 --> 00:58:59.000
ever seen because she's just like flooding through space. You know,
1049
00:58:59.039 --> 00:59:01.480
it's starting to free and everything, and like, you know,
1050
00:59:01.639 --> 00:59:03.039
is she going to make it? In fact that I
1051
00:59:03.079 --> 00:59:05.679
think on one of the posters, there's somebody jumping like that.
1052
00:59:05.800 --> 00:59:09.159
I think that's probably I mean, I mean it was unbelievable.
1053
00:59:10.119 --> 00:59:12.639
Shit, I've seen people here in the studio. The air
1054
00:59:12.639 --> 00:59:15.519
conditioning is so bad as practically as bad.
1055
00:59:15.280 --> 00:59:19.079
As that, And she's been separated from James and everything
1056
00:59:19.159 --> 00:59:21.400
for all this time, and so it's them trying to
1057
00:59:21.400 --> 00:59:23.639
get finally getting back together again, and just.
1058
00:59:24.360 --> 00:59:24.920
I got it.
1059
00:59:25.639 --> 00:59:27.679
Not only is it so deep.
1060
00:59:27.960 --> 00:59:30.719
And so rich in sci fi lore and how he
1061
00:59:30.760 --> 00:59:34.239
builds these universes, there's also always which always makes a
1062
00:59:34.280 --> 00:59:36.760
show good is the human touch, you know, the heart,
1063
00:59:37.239 --> 00:59:39.920
And I would say James and Naomi are definitely one
1064
00:59:39.920 --> 00:59:40.960
of the hearts of the of.
1065
00:59:40.960 --> 00:59:43.239
The show, and I couldn't.
1066
00:59:44.800 --> 00:59:47.880
How do you say Rosinante the heart.
1067
00:59:47.679 --> 00:59:50.880
Of this and the character development, the character arcs of
1068
00:59:50.880 --> 00:59:53.719
the course of the sixth season are incredible and part
1069
00:59:53.719 --> 00:59:56.519
of what makes the soap the show so compelling, but
1070
00:59:56.960 --> 01:00:02.119
set against this galactic backdrop, such a high concept science
1071
01:00:02.119 --> 01:00:03.280
science fiction thing, and you.
1072
01:00:03.199 --> 01:00:05.639
Know it's taking from things we've already seen before, but
1073
01:00:05.719 --> 01:00:08.639
it's just the way I think. For me, I personally
1074
01:00:08.679 --> 01:00:11.400
loved the three different factions, the ones who have never
1075
01:00:11.519 --> 01:00:14.920
lived on any planet, Belters Earth in the Mars, I
1076
01:00:15.440 --> 01:00:18.760
just think that kind of setup is just brilliant.
1077
01:00:18.880 --> 01:00:21.800
I think it's going to happen. If you think about it,
1078
01:00:22.119 --> 01:00:24.920
I know they're going to be plundering our solar system, like.
1079
01:00:24.840 --> 01:00:26.840
You know, people will be just living in space their
1080
01:00:26.840 --> 01:00:27.280
whole life.
1081
01:00:27.400 --> 01:00:31.360
I mean, our human society is a cast system, so
1082
01:00:31.679 --> 01:00:33.199
you've got to it goes to figure it's going to
1083
01:00:33.239 --> 01:00:33.960
happen out of space.
1084
01:00:34.119 --> 01:00:35.719
Definitely, we're going to colonize Mars.
1085
01:00:35.760 --> 01:00:38.719
I absolutely, I feel that that is going well, that's
1086
01:00:39.480 --> 01:00:41.920
if Eli Musk has anything to say about it, it's
1087
01:00:41.920 --> 01:00:43.239
going to be in the next couple of years.
1088
01:00:43.840 --> 01:00:46.599
So anyway, so yeah, definitely check it out of your
1089
01:00:46.719 --> 01:00:49.960
hardcore sci fi fan, even if you're not or you're like,
1090
01:00:50.159 --> 01:00:51.840
you know, sort of on the fence bet and it's
1091
01:00:51.840 --> 01:00:52.840
still a really great show.
1092
01:00:52.920 --> 01:00:55.800
Yeah, it's fantastic. We highly recommend it, and we're hoping
1093
01:00:55.840 --> 01:00:58.920
we're going to see some spin offs. And you know,
1094
01:00:59.000 --> 01:01:01.199
thanks for bearing with us. This is a heavy thing
1095
01:01:01.239 --> 01:01:04.760
to unpack, but really really work your investigation, so do
1096
01:01:05.400 --> 01:01:08.119
she does too. Go and watch the Expense as soon
1097
01:01:08.159 --> 01:01:11.480
as you can, and we hope you enjoyed as much
1098
01:01:11.519 --> 01:01:12.000
as we did.
1099
01:01:12.079 --> 01:01:19.639
Anyway, Thanks guys, Hi everybody.
1100
01:01:19.679 --> 01:01:21.519
So today, am I wanted to discuss some of the
1101
01:01:21.639 --> 01:01:26.039
really important and meeting co professional relationships we've had over
1102
01:01:26.079 --> 01:01:29.360
the past fifty years and how they impacted.
1103
01:01:28.840 --> 01:01:30.800
Our company and also us personally.
1104
01:01:31.159 --> 01:01:34.599
So I was thinking about the most important people that
1105
01:01:34.719 --> 01:01:37.199
really jump started our career along the way, and one
1106
01:01:37.199 --> 01:01:39.800
of them was William Chatterer, And I know we briefly
1107
01:01:39.920 --> 01:01:42.159
talked about it, but I don't know if you remember
1108
01:01:42.320 --> 01:01:46.480
when we first got into Star Trek conventions, Bill really
1109
01:01:46.639 --> 01:01:49.960
was not doing them that much and it had been
1110
01:01:50.000 --> 01:01:51.920
a long time, and I remember we had to convince
1111
01:01:51.960 --> 01:01:53.320
him to do it and it was in LA and
1112
01:01:53.320 --> 01:01:56.039
it went really well. And since that time, I know
1113
01:01:56.079 --> 01:02:00.760
you especially had like a really good, many decades relationship
1114
01:02:00.800 --> 01:02:02.800
with him, and I feel that he was like one
1115
01:02:02.840 --> 01:02:06.280
of the first huge stars that actually embraced what we
1116
01:02:06.280 --> 01:02:09.119
were doing, and that was, you know, forward thinking at
1117
01:02:09.119 --> 01:02:10.440
the time, and I think it really helped us.
1118
01:02:10.480 --> 01:02:12.199
So I wanted your input on that.
1119
01:02:12.400 --> 01:02:17.039
Yeah, Well, we met Bill through the William Shatner Fan
1120
01:02:17.159 --> 01:02:21.199
Club and we knew the ladies associated with that. Of course,
1121
01:02:21.239 --> 01:02:24.480
we've been huge fans of Bills, you know, since Star
1122
01:02:24.559 --> 01:02:28.400
Trek and throughout the rest of his career, but we
1123
01:02:28.480 --> 01:02:31.000
had him in I want to say nineteen eighty five
1124
01:02:31.159 --> 01:02:36.840
at the High Regency Los Angeles Airport and he was fantastic,
1125
01:02:36.880 --> 01:02:38.679
and I mean he just, you know, right from the
1126
01:02:38.760 --> 01:02:43.599
very beginning, he was wonder Bolan. We hit it off
1127
01:02:43.639 --> 01:02:46.159
so well with him that that you know, began a
1128
01:02:46.280 --> 01:02:49.480
four decade relationship with the guy. We're celebrating our fortieth
1129
01:02:49.599 --> 01:02:54.280
year of shows with them, and I think where we
1130
01:02:54.360 --> 01:02:56.239
really got kind of close to him was on the
1131
01:02:56.239 --> 01:03:00.760
twenty fifth anniversary. We had just the year Ford done
1132
01:03:00.840 --> 01:03:05.519
the twenty fifth anniversary event at the Shrine, but the
1133
01:03:05.559 --> 01:03:09.199
following spring we did a ten city tour with him
1134
01:03:09.199 --> 01:03:13.679
and Leonard, which we took, you know, all over North
1135
01:03:13.679 --> 01:03:16.960
America and that was a chance to frust to really
1136
01:03:16.960 --> 01:03:20.440
get to know Bill and Leonard, but them together in
1137
01:03:20.480 --> 01:03:26.000
particularly Bill, and you know, what impressed me about him
1138
01:03:26.239 --> 01:03:30.280
was that he didn't take himself too seriously. I mean,
1139
01:03:30.320 --> 01:03:34.559
this is a guy with you know, world fame and acclaimed,
1140
01:03:34.719 --> 01:03:41.639
but he was definitely not full of himself. And you know,
1141
01:03:41.760 --> 01:03:47.119
I think again he was self effacing and but you know,
1142
01:03:47.920 --> 01:03:48.920
smart as a whip.
1143
01:03:49.079 --> 01:03:51.519
Yeah, the smartness thing was really cool to say.
1144
01:03:51.639 --> 01:03:55.440
I mean really a smart guy, beautifully well spoken, very
1145
01:03:55.599 --> 01:03:58.119
entertaining and made a get up on stage and he
1146
01:03:58.159 --> 01:04:02.199
would do one of his famous rants, but always with
1147
01:04:02.280 --> 01:04:04.920
the kind of a you know, a purpose. And he
1148
01:04:05.039 --> 01:04:08.719
was very very good to us, to our whole team privately,
1149
01:04:08.760 --> 01:04:11.159
he was always really really kind to us. So I
1150
01:04:11.159 --> 01:04:14.480
remember high A highlight of that was when because you
1151
01:04:14.519 --> 01:04:16.559
and I growing up on Long Island used to go
1152
01:04:16.599 --> 01:04:20.760
to Nassau Coliseum. Yeah, that was about and then we
1153
01:04:20.800 --> 01:04:24.559
booked the Nassau Coliseum and we had ten thousand people there.
1154
01:04:25.000 --> 01:04:27.800
We filled the Nassau Coliseum. It was unbelievable, you know.
1155
01:04:27.960 --> 01:04:30.280
Yeah, that was like our biggest thing at least at
1156
01:04:30.280 --> 01:04:31.519
that point with those guys.
1157
01:04:31.599 --> 01:04:31.920
Yeah.
1158
01:04:32.480 --> 01:04:35.599
So and then like we would like Bill would like
1159
01:04:35.719 --> 01:04:39.800
want to do multiple shows in one week into it
1160
01:04:39.840 --> 01:04:42.039
as much wasn't he was okay with it. It was
1161
01:04:42.079 --> 01:04:45.159
Bill who really wanted to do as much as he could.
1162
01:04:45.800 --> 01:04:48.840
So I know, on one weekend we started in Sacramento
1163
01:04:48.920 --> 01:04:52.719
and ended up in Minneapolis, and I would travel with
1164
01:04:52.760 --> 01:04:58.400
those guys, remember that, and and uh, they were you know,
1165
01:04:58.519 --> 01:04:59.960
they were great friend.
1166
01:05:00.360 --> 01:05:01.920
Yeah, as I was going to ask you, how did
1167
01:05:01.920 --> 01:05:03.719
they act because you're one of the few people actually
1168
01:05:03.760 --> 01:05:06.679
saw them together a lot. Yeah, how did they act
1169
01:05:06.880 --> 01:05:08.559
interact when they were together?
1170
01:05:09.360 --> 01:05:12.199
They loved each other. I think towards the very end
1171
01:05:12.280 --> 01:05:17.280
of Leonard's life there was a misunderstanding between them that
1172
01:05:17.960 --> 01:05:22.559
upset Leonard. It was unintentional on Bill's part. So at
1173
01:05:22.599 --> 01:05:26.239
the very end there, Leonard was very sick, and I
1174
01:05:26.280 --> 01:05:31.719
think that there was an issue about filming a sequence
1175
01:05:31.800 --> 01:05:35.400
on stage that had upset Leonard. But it was, you know,
1176
01:05:35.480 --> 01:05:40.119
really unintentional on Bill's part, and Bill loved Leonard very much,
1177
01:05:40.119 --> 01:05:42.760
and I don't Leonard. Leonard loved Bill just as much.
1178
01:05:43.760 --> 01:05:47.400
Didn't you try to fix that at the end there?
1179
01:05:47.679 --> 01:05:50.880
You know. I spoke to Leonard about it, and he
1180
01:05:51.079 --> 01:05:54.199
was very very ill at that point. I don't think
1181
01:05:54.199 --> 01:05:57.719
he was really you know, on his game to really
1182
01:05:57.920 --> 01:06:00.719
be thinking about that too much. But I know, when
1183
01:06:00.800 --> 01:06:03.679
all of said and done, those guys really loved each other.
1184
01:06:04.039 --> 01:06:07.320
They were great together in private, they were fantastic. They
1185
01:06:07.360 --> 01:06:11.159
had a kind of a legendary back and forth on
1186
01:06:11.320 --> 01:06:15.000
stage where you know, they would make fun of each
1187
01:06:15.039 --> 01:06:19.039
other and it was all, you know, very very in
1188
01:06:19.119 --> 01:06:24.039
good spirits and they were pleasure together. After that, of course,
1189
01:06:25.000 --> 01:06:27.719
we got involved with the Hollywood Charity Horse Show. Now
1190
01:06:27.760 --> 01:06:31.559
Bill's been doing that charity for like thirty years, and
1191
01:06:31.639 --> 01:06:34.800
we worked We still worked with them, but for about
1192
01:06:34.840 --> 01:06:38.320
twenty five years. I worked very actively in the charity
1193
01:06:38.360 --> 01:06:42.760
on site at the show until very recently when I
1194
01:06:42.880 --> 01:06:48.119
moved out of LA but we would have we still
1195
01:06:48.159 --> 01:06:50.960
do have this event every year at the Los Angeles
1196
01:06:51.000 --> 01:06:55.559
Equestrian Central Burbank. We've had a lot of very famous personalities,
1197
01:06:55.599 --> 01:06:58.079
all of them come to the event because of Bill.
1198
01:06:58.920 --> 01:07:01.639
And I'll just split off a couple of funny things
1199
01:07:01.679 --> 01:07:06.039
from the horse shows. Leonard Nimoy doing team penning Knie
1200
01:07:06.079 --> 01:07:10.840
Boy on a horse trying to corral sheep into the
1201
01:07:10.920 --> 01:07:16.800
corner of the arena was funny he did. He had
1202
01:07:16.800 --> 01:07:20.840
this thing where they had like a crime boss drive
1203
01:07:20.920 --> 01:07:24.599
into the arena in like this big nineteen forties sedan
1204
01:07:26.360 --> 01:07:28.800
and then he would get you know, famous people to
1205
01:07:29.000 --> 01:07:32.960
kind of participate in those in those those scenes, those
1206
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scenarios in the arena, Famous performers that would be at
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01:07:37.519 --> 01:07:42.400
the horse show, like let's say Brad Baisley, Well, Willie Nelson.
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01:07:42.519 --> 01:07:45.039
I had that funny experience with Willie that one time.
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01:07:45.320 --> 01:07:48.599
What was that Well I part with I didn't know.
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01:07:48.679 --> 01:07:52.400
I don't, I don't, I don't smoke pot. But really
1211
01:07:54.119 --> 01:07:57.719
I had to bring something to Willy Screen. And then
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01:07:57.760 --> 01:08:01.400
when I went there and I go, mister Nelson, I
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01:08:01.440 --> 01:08:05.719
have this thing for you. Come on in, the door opens,
1214
01:08:05.960 --> 01:08:10.119
this big cloud of Really's book comes out. Yeah, that
1215
01:08:10.320 --> 01:08:11.039
was really funny.
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01:08:11.159 --> 01:08:12.760
He was pretty entertaining that night.
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01:08:13.159 --> 01:08:17.079
Yeah, you know, and some lesser known people, but a
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01:08:17.239 --> 01:08:20.800
procession of personalities, all of whom you know Revere Bill
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01:08:21.439 --> 01:08:25.399
and helped to help Bill raise at this point about
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01:08:25.439 --> 01:08:30.840
ten million dollars nice for various LA Kids charities. And
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01:08:30.880 --> 01:08:35.319
then also, of course Bill's love of the equestrian arts
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01:08:35.319 --> 01:08:37.640
that sort of kind of fed into that. But Bill
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01:08:37.720 --> 01:08:40.920
is still, at the age of ninety four, still riding today.
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01:08:41.039 --> 01:08:43.479
I told him he's a lunatic and he should get
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01:08:43.520 --> 01:08:46.159
off the horse, right, he says, I'm going to ride
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01:08:46.199 --> 01:08:47.840
and right open to the sunset.
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I love the fact that when he was like ninety three,
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01:08:51.199 --> 01:08:53.560
he asked he finished an engagement with us, and he
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01:08:53.600 --> 01:08:55.399
asked you if you had any more work for him.
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01:08:56.000 --> 01:08:58.319
I mean, come on, that's like inspiration.
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01:08:58.680 --> 01:09:01.600
He is an inspiration guy. He's been a dear friend
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01:09:01.600 --> 01:09:03.840
to us at Creation I owe him, So we owe
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01:09:03.880 --> 01:09:06.760
him so much and I'm very, very grateful to have
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01:09:07.359 --> 01:09:08.399
all this wonderful Yeah.
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01:09:08.960 --> 01:09:11.760
That was I Yeah, and I want to bring up
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01:09:11.800 --> 01:09:12.479
one more person.
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01:09:13.439 --> 01:09:16.560
It involves the X Files property, because that was like
1238
01:09:16.680 --> 01:09:20.479
a kind of a mixed blessing working with Chris Carter
1239
01:09:20.520 --> 01:09:21.600
in ten thirteen.
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01:09:21.319 --> 01:09:24.880
At the time. But that also was a big deal for.
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01:09:24.880 --> 01:09:27.600
Us because we got involved with x fos early on,
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01:09:28.000 --> 01:09:31.239
where the conventions drove a lot of publicity that the
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01:09:31.279 --> 01:09:34.359
series got TV got and had time of weekly stories.
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01:09:34.640 --> 01:09:39.520
So that propelled us into dealing with a lot of
1245
01:09:39.560 --> 01:09:44.479
other cool properties. But maybe it wasn't as pleasurable an experience,
1246
01:09:44.520 --> 01:09:47.000
at least for me dealing with the business idem it.
1247
01:09:47.039 --> 01:09:48.800
What about for you on the creative side.
1248
01:09:48.640 --> 01:09:52.560
It wasn't that pleasant. Chris Carter was a micro manager
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01:09:52.640 --> 01:09:55.760
who made it difficult for us to present productions the
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01:09:55.800 --> 01:09:59.239
way we wanted to. We wanted to oversee every aspect
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01:09:59.239 --> 01:10:01.479
of what we were doing, and he had some good
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01:10:01.520 --> 01:10:04.239
ideas and he had some bad ideas, and I think
1253
01:10:04.239 --> 01:10:07.960
it kind of encumbered us quite a bit. Also, I
1254
01:10:08.039 --> 01:10:10.319
wasn't too happy about the fact, although it worked out
1255
01:10:10.359 --> 01:10:14.079
well for her, that his team Pilford, one of our
1256
01:10:14.119 --> 01:10:18.960
staff members to go on and work for them, although
1257
01:10:19.000 --> 01:10:21.640
she ended up being becoming a showrunner on her own,
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01:10:21.680 --> 01:10:24.359
which was, you know, fantastic. I'm happy for her career,
1259
01:10:24.640 --> 01:10:26.479
but it really wasn't that cool that they kind of
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01:10:27.760 --> 01:10:29.000
sacked from us.
1261
01:10:30.079 --> 01:10:31.239
I yes, I agree.
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01:10:31.319 --> 01:10:34.279
I believe that the thing that they did wrong was
1263
01:10:34.399 --> 01:10:38.359
not telling us that they were going to do that.
1264
01:10:38.359 --> 01:10:39.840
That's like kind of a say not.
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01:10:39.840 --> 01:10:42.920
That that hasn't happened, you know, to various people many
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01:10:42.920 --> 01:10:43.840
times in the past.
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01:10:44.119 --> 01:10:47.520
But well, I think I think our career progressed since
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01:10:47.560 --> 01:10:50.680
that time where now and we're working with other show
1269
01:10:50.880 --> 01:10:55.680
creators and show runners. They they understand that we know
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01:10:55.960 --> 01:10:57.800
our business better than they're going to know because we
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01:10:57.840 --> 01:11:01.039
don't know their business better. And we don't have those
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01:11:01.159 --> 01:11:02.840
Chris Carter's problems.
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01:11:02.399 --> 01:11:03.199
As much anymore.
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01:11:03.319 --> 01:11:05.479
No, we don't. But I think something that you mentioned
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01:11:05.560 --> 01:11:09.800
is important. What we discovered is that our events and
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01:11:09.960 --> 01:11:13.920
by bringing a fandom for a property together really can
1277
01:11:13.960 --> 01:11:17.079
affect the longevity of a property. I mean, the Supernatural
1278
01:11:17.159 --> 01:11:20.199
is the perfect case study. Supernatural might have gone off
1279
01:11:20.239 --> 01:11:24.399
the air in seven years or eight years, it went
1280
01:11:24.479 --> 01:11:26.840
fifteen years, and a lot of that had to do
1281
01:11:27.439 --> 01:11:31.600
with our live events kind of continually feeding the fandom.
1282
01:11:31.960 --> 01:11:36.479
And also I give a lot of credit to Jared
1283
01:11:36.600 --> 01:11:40.159
and Jensen Anesia who top lined our events and had
1284
01:11:40.199 --> 01:11:44.399
the vision to recognize how important it was to have
1285
01:11:44.560 --> 01:11:48.000
that one on one dialogue with the fan community and
1286
01:11:48.119 --> 01:11:51.000
to support them and love them as the fan community
1287
01:11:51.039 --> 01:11:55.640
did to them. Really helped, I think, to propel Supernatural
1288
01:11:55.880 --> 01:11:58.880
into the incredible longevity that it has as a series.
1289
01:11:58.960 --> 01:12:04.359
Yes, yeah, recognized the fact, and the conventions also gave
1290
01:12:05.079 --> 01:12:07.560
gave a reason for the fandom to keep going in between.
1291
01:12:07.800 --> 01:12:11.279
So man, the whole Supernatural family got huge and helpful
1292
01:12:11.319 --> 01:12:13.760
to a lot of the people. It's really a loving community,
1293
01:12:13.920 --> 01:12:17.119
much like all of them, you know, they each are different,
1294
01:12:17.239 --> 01:12:19.720
like Star Trek and Zina fans and X fans.
1295
01:12:19.760 --> 01:12:21.960
But now one last thing before I let you go.
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01:12:22.039 --> 01:12:23.960
I've been meeting to ask you for a while because
1297
01:12:23.960 --> 01:12:28.279
your creation's resident comedy expert, what a gas it was
1298
01:12:28.359 --> 01:12:32.520
running the TV Land convention. Who were some of the
1299
01:12:32.520 --> 01:12:34.399
people that we had a tv Land that you really
1300
01:12:34.479 --> 01:12:35.319
enjoyed working with.
1301
01:12:36.800 --> 01:12:38.560
I did a panel one of the few that I
1302
01:12:38.600 --> 01:12:43.159
hosted with supporting actors on situation comedies yeah, and I
1303
01:12:43.239 --> 01:12:44.600
remember Rosemarie.
1304
01:12:44.319 --> 01:12:48.880
Was on it. Rosemary, I loved you were you were there? Yeah, No,
1305
01:12:48.960 --> 01:12:50.399
Dick Van Dykes show, yeah.
1306
01:12:50.239 --> 01:12:53.560
Of course, yeah. And Bernie Coppel.
1307
01:12:53.319 --> 01:12:56.239
Was on it, Bernie Copell that's a love boat or
1308
01:12:56.319 --> 01:12:56.840
love boat?
1309
01:12:57.079 --> 01:13:00.520
And then the guy who played abb on Green Acres
1310
01:13:01.199 --> 01:13:04.000
right right for his name, and there are a few
1311
01:13:04.039 --> 01:13:05.720
other people. So I was given a half hour for
1312
01:13:05.720 --> 01:13:09.880
the panel. So my first question was who, why, why
1313
01:13:09.920 --> 01:13:12.960
are your show so successful? And I opened it up
1314
01:13:13.039 --> 01:13:16.119
with Rosemary. She spoke for a half hour.
1315
01:13:16.760 --> 01:13:17.000
Wow.
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01:13:17.439 --> 01:13:20.119
And I have four other people on the panels, so
1317
01:13:20.159 --> 01:13:24.399
that was a pretty panel. But Carl Reiner was the
1318
01:13:24.960 --> 01:13:26.720
unbelievable and the master.
1319
01:13:26.960 --> 01:13:29.359
Yeah, yeah, that was great. And Larry had.
1320
01:13:29.800 --> 01:13:33.039
Larry Hadden was there. He was fantastic. We had Sherman Helmsley.
1321
01:13:33.800 --> 01:13:37.439
Sherman Hemsley who wanted his money in cash. Sounds like
1322
01:13:37.479 --> 01:13:42.479
stan Lee, yeah, except that one of them had. I
1323
01:13:42.520 --> 01:13:45.960
see who else did we have at that show? Some
1324
01:13:46.079 --> 01:13:49.079
interesting people. A girl who played Tabitha.
1325
01:13:50.479 --> 01:13:54.680
Was Eric Donwell's at that show. I know we've worked
1326
01:13:54.680 --> 01:13:57.239
with Yeah, we did work with don I don't.
1327
01:13:57.039 --> 01:13:58.479
Know, I don't know.
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01:13:58.800 --> 01:14:02.800
Oh, we had of course George Schlatter and Ruth Buzzy
1329
01:14:03.079 --> 01:14:07.880
and Dan which was incredible, and Joan Worley did you
1330
01:14:07.920 --> 01:14:11.159
say Joe and Worley and uh and Ruth Buzzy and
1331
01:14:11.199 --> 01:14:15.159
the announcer and Gary Owens. Yeah, cred I mean, you know,
1332
01:14:15.239 --> 01:14:18.239
we're I think I speak for both of us. Huge
1333
01:14:18.239 --> 01:14:21.800
stands of laughing. Yeah, yeah, that was really hit the
1334
01:14:21.880 --> 01:14:24.000
zeitgeist of America at the time. Yeah.
1335
01:14:24.479 --> 01:14:28.000
Yeah, trying to think who Marla Gibbs was at that
1336
01:14:28.399 --> 01:14:31.119
La Gibbs, right, it was like walking into an old
1337
01:14:31.119 --> 01:14:33.439
TV series always and he's so incredible and you know,
1338
01:14:33.520 --> 01:14:35.560
so many icons of television comedy.
1339
01:14:36.439 --> 01:14:36.600
Yeah.
1340
01:14:36.600 --> 01:14:39.479
Well, I'm noticing that a lot of those type of people,
1341
01:14:39.720 --> 01:14:42.000
maybe not at that level, are appearing at the Hollywood Showman,
1342
01:14:42.399 --> 01:14:44.520
so fans do get to meet. I mean, you know
1343
01:14:44.600 --> 01:14:46.600
they're yeah, and I know, you know, we're friendly with
1344
01:14:46.640 --> 01:14:52.600
those people getting to meet, like you know, Priscilla Presley.
1345
01:14:52.479 --> 01:14:55.479
Yeah, I do a great job, doing a nice job, and.
1346
01:14:56.960 --> 01:14:58.079
They had Ann Margaret.
1347
01:14:58.439 --> 01:15:00.600
You know that we're trying to get those guys lined
1348
01:15:00.680 --> 01:15:02.520
up to maybe appear at a Vega ship.
1349
01:15:02.600 --> 01:15:03.600
Yeah, I know you're working on that.
1350
01:15:03.520 --> 01:15:05.319
That would be so much fun, I know, because a
1351
01:15:05.319 --> 01:15:08.079
lot of those stars are in the era of fame
1352
01:15:08.199 --> 01:15:09.199
when a lot.
1353
01:15:09.119 --> 01:15:11.479
Of Star Trek fans were watching Star Trek, the older ones.
1354
01:15:13.880 --> 01:15:17.279
So crazy. Moving creation out to la all those years
1355
01:15:17.279 --> 01:15:20.239
ago and getting to just be a part of the
1356
01:15:20.359 --> 01:15:22.600
entertainment community meant so much to both of us.
1357
01:15:22.840 --> 01:15:24.520
Yeah, it was a good move. I'm glad we did it.
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01:15:26.079 --> 01:15:37.680
Look, thanks guys, either everybody, it is time for your
1359
01:15:37.720 --> 01:15:43.119
favorite segment. Gary Berman on Business Business Advice starring Gary Berman.
1360
01:15:44.199 --> 01:15:47.239
Thank you all right, we have a really important question
1361
01:15:47.520 --> 01:15:49.840
for you today, Gary. This is going to help a
1362
01:15:49.840 --> 01:15:53.199
lot of people, I think, And the question is what
1363
01:15:53.760 --> 01:15:57.680
was your biggest mistake as a boss.
1364
01:15:58.920 --> 01:16:00.279
Other than this podcast?
1365
01:16:01.119 --> 01:16:03.880
Yes, second biggest mistake, sorry.
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01:16:04.880 --> 01:16:10.720
Not understanding that people can really be messed up when
1367
01:16:10.800 --> 01:16:16.039
you're dealing with them. I'm talking mainly business relationships and
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01:16:16.119 --> 01:16:20.720
employees and stuff. And when I started, you know, we
1369
01:16:20.880 --> 01:16:23.000
were hiring a lot of fans and stuff, which made
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01:16:23.000 --> 01:16:25.279
sense because they were our friends and.
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01:16:26.359 --> 01:16:27.239
They did a.
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01:16:27.159 --> 01:16:29.479
Great job, especially in the early years of our business.
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01:16:29.520 --> 01:16:33.600
But I later came to learn that their people can
1374
01:16:33.760 --> 01:16:37.760
have like we all have issues, people can have some
1375
01:16:38.560 --> 01:16:44.319
severe disorders that affect the way they do business and
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01:16:44.359 --> 01:16:49.920
their relationships, and you know that happened to me three
1377
01:16:50.000 --> 01:16:54.720
times with longtime employees, like really long time, and I
1378
01:16:54.840 --> 01:16:56.960
just and Adam did too, because you know, we try
1379
01:16:57.000 --> 01:16:59.960
to be nice. We just kept trying to come up
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01:17:00.119 --> 01:17:05.159
with explanations as to why these people were this way,
1381
01:17:05.600 --> 01:17:11.840
and we had to modify our behavior to accommodate their misbehaviors.
1382
01:17:12.319 --> 01:17:18.279
And so the mistake is keeping the status quo, maybe
1383
01:17:18.319 --> 01:17:24.239
because it's easier and suffering as a boss, both personally
1384
01:17:24.359 --> 01:17:27.880
and business wise, because you know, an entrepreneur is going
1385
01:17:27.920 --> 01:17:32.399
to take their business home after hours, and you know,
1386
01:17:32.439 --> 01:17:34.920
when you're involved with an employee mess, you take that
1387
01:17:35.000 --> 01:17:37.000
home because you know, if you have a company of
1388
01:17:37.039 --> 01:17:40.960
twenty employees, you know them all very well. So that's
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01:17:40.960 --> 01:17:43.600
been the most difficult I think, you know, for me,
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01:17:45.000 --> 01:17:48.840
you know, becoming friendly with employees was important, but you
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01:17:48.880 --> 01:17:51.399
know they say you shouldn't do that, but that does
1392
01:17:51.600 --> 01:17:56.399
make it harder if things go wrong. So you got
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01:17:56.399 --> 01:17:58.239
to be really careful when you make those decisions, but
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01:17:58.359 --> 01:18:01.079
mainly knowing that you know, if something's going to be bad,
1395
01:18:01.119 --> 01:18:03.399
you've got to get rid of it instead of sticking
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01:18:03.800 --> 01:18:06.199
sticking with it, because you know, in my case, we're
1397
01:18:06.239 --> 01:18:12.279
talking twenty five years in certain cases of just accepting
1398
01:18:12.479 --> 01:18:15.800
really bad behavior. And you know they represent you to
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01:18:15.880 --> 01:18:18.439
the outside world in many cases, so you know, you
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01:18:18.600 --> 01:18:21.720
want to be represented the way you try to do
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01:18:21.800 --> 01:18:24.119
business with the way Adam would and that was not
1402
01:18:24.199 --> 01:18:27.319
the case, so I guess rolling over and a lot
1403
01:18:27.399 --> 01:18:32.279
of times these people have very forceful personalities manipulative in
1404
01:18:32.319 --> 01:18:34.520
a certain way too, so it makes it difficult. But
1405
01:18:34.680 --> 01:18:38.960
you know, this is just about a very small percentage overall,
1406
01:18:39.840 --> 01:18:43.199
you know that. I mean, you know, so many people
1407
01:18:43.239 --> 01:18:45.560
who work for us went on to really nice other
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01:18:45.600 --> 01:18:47.760
stuff and the people who stayed a lot of them
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01:18:47.760 --> 01:18:52.840
are fantastic, and we've had really good employees over the years.
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01:18:52.840 --> 01:18:54.279
But there are a few standards of that. You know,
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01:18:54.399 --> 01:18:57.600
I want to protect other new entrepreneurs from making the
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01:18:57.640 --> 01:19:01.319
same mistakes I did, so you know, you can tell
1413
01:19:01.880 --> 01:19:04.079
within two three weeks whether an employee is going to
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01:19:04.119 --> 01:19:07.239
work out or not. It doesn't happen twenty five years
1415
01:19:07.279 --> 01:19:07.840
of Excrusen.
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01:19:09.039 --> 01:19:13.760
Well, yeah, helping out new entrepreneurs. I know you personally,
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01:19:14.239 --> 01:19:17.119
you're very you are very friendly, and you are very compassionate,
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01:19:17.199 --> 01:19:19.880
and you do take your work home with you. But
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01:19:19.920 --> 01:19:22.399
at the same time, you do have to protect the
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01:19:22.479 --> 01:19:26.680
company because if the company suffers, all the employees in
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01:19:26.720 --> 01:19:29.439
it suffer as well, and so does the product, and
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01:19:29.479 --> 01:19:33.920
so do the fans. So giving that advice to new entrepreneurs,
1423
01:19:34.199 --> 01:19:39.920
how do you juggle compassion and caring about the employees
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01:19:40.760 --> 01:19:43.600
and protecting your business and your brand.
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01:19:43.760 --> 01:19:46.239
Well, I'm like the shittiest person to ask for this.
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01:19:47.439 --> 01:19:49.399
Handle it well, which is why I'm telling you I
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01:19:49.520 --> 01:19:53.520
handled well. It wants to have been a subject. It's tough.
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01:19:54.680 --> 01:19:57.279
I mean, I don't think you really can do it perfectly.
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01:19:58.560 --> 01:20:01.600
But you know, my best friends are people who work
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01:20:01.640 --> 01:20:04.159
in the company, you know, literally the best friends ever.
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01:20:04.279 --> 01:20:09.359
So the rewards might not weigh the bad ship from it.
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01:20:09.439 --> 01:20:14.199
But uh yeah, you can't get it perfect. Yeah, I
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01:20:14.239 --> 01:20:19.479
mean the best advice probably is don't become friendly with employees,
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01:20:19.520 --> 01:20:21.359
but that would my life would have been.
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01:20:21.840 --> 01:20:23.079
You don't take your own advice.
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01:20:23.600 --> 01:20:27.359
No, I don't, because you know, especially nowadays, it's like
1437
01:20:27.479 --> 01:20:30.439
easier to make friends, and you know, because business has
1438
01:20:30.479 --> 01:20:34.239
become so busy for everybody that you know, you don't
1439
01:20:34.239 --> 01:20:36.520
have much other opportunities. So and then you know, you
1440
01:20:36.520 --> 01:20:40.279
also share a common thing to discuss, so Yeah, that's
1441
01:20:40.279 --> 01:20:42.279
only one thing that I wanted to talk to you
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01:20:42.600 --> 01:20:45.159
about today. The other the other kind of thing which
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01:20:45.199 --> 01:20:49.439
is interesting and fits in is uh, whether as a
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new company you should have some AR person HR person, Uh,
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you know, human resources and all. And I don't think
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we've discussed it hip, but all those years forty five
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point fifty we never had that only because you know,
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we had again like twenty employees. So you think you
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wouldn't need it, But have it now? And greatest thing
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01:21:11.000 --> 01:21:14.680
have So it's worth the money?
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01:21:14.840 --> 01:21:16.680
Why is it the greatest thing ever? Because I'll admit
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I thought the same thing. I thought an HR department
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or an HR person is for like these giant companies,
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01:21:23.119 --> 01:21:26.039
and creation is a small business. It really is. It
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01:21:26.119 --> 01:21:28.079
might not seem like it when you see the giant
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01:21:28.079 --> 01:21:30.560
scope of the conventions that we put on, but like
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01:21:30.600 --> 01:21:35.239
it's a small business. So what what what's so great
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01:21:35.239 --> 01:21:37.800
about having an HR department even if you are a
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small business?
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01:21:40.600 --> 01:21:45.439
Oh my god? Yeah, you you every you eliminate every
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01:21:45.520 --> 01:21:50.680
unpleasant thing that gets directly to you when you don't
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01:21:50.720 --> 01:21:53.640
have it, because everyone's going to complain to the boss,
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especially you know, my cash. We're on the one that's
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in the office because happens working remotely, So I get
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a lot of a lot of the you know, the
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01:22:02.279 --> 01:22:06.000
complaints that would normally go to HR, legitimate ones, you know,
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01:22:06.199 --> 01:22:08.800
but also you know, all the horrible issues that may
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01:22:08.800 --> 01:22:12.279
come up. I had to deal with them, and they
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01:22:12.399 --> 01:22:16.159
you know, I'm their their personality driven one of them.
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So you know, you almost really have to be trained.
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Uh you know, I see how it's going now, and
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I see the kind of with the way it's being handled.
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01:22:24.640 --> 01:22:26.920
I mean, it's so super professional, and you really kind
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of need it because you know, another thing is you
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01:22:29.800 --> 01:22:32.680
just don't know who's gonna who's going to go off
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01:22:32.760 --> 01:22:36.239
and come up with some ridiculous reason, you know, to sue,
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01:22:36.279 --> 01:22:38.239
and you know you just got to protect yourself. So
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01:22:38.439 --> 01:22:42.560
HR really helps that. So you know, it's bad that
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we have to talk about these things, but clearly we do.
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01:22:45.159 --> 01:22:47.640
There are so many people who don't want to come
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01:22:47.760 --> 01:22:50.680
up with, you know, anything original. They just want to
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01:22:50.760 --> 01:22:51.760
rip other people off.
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01:22:51.800 --> 01:22:55.800
So, you know, sounds like you wish you had gotten
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01:22:55.800 --> 01:22:57.239
an HR department much sooner.
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01:22:58.720 --> 01:23:01.960
I think that should have been first thing. Well, first thing,
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01:23:02.159 --> 01:23:05.079
a lawyer. We should have a good lawyer and a
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01:23:05.119 --> 01:23:08.760
good CPA accountant and you know, as soon as you
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01:23:08.800 --> 01:23:14.399
can HR. But those online HR things, I didn't find
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01:23:14.439 --> 01:23:18.760
those to be uh of any use. They're super complicated
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01:23:18.840 --> 01:23:22.199
to manipulate and work, and they don't really do HR
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01:23:22.279 --> 01:23:25.000
services and you know you can't really do that online.
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01:23:25.359 --> 01:23:28.359
So I stayed away from that because you know, we
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01:23:28.439 --> 01:23:32.279
wasted money trying it. But you know, it's all it's
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01:23:32.319 --> 01:23:35.359
all economics when you can afford it. I would suggest
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01:23:35.399 --> 01:23:37.920
there might there may be like a part time HR
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01:23:38.000 --> 01:23:41.079
situation where the person comes once a month or as
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01:23:41.199 --> 01:23:44.439
needed that that that's doable, and that's probably what we
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01:23:44.479 --> 01:23:46.319
should have done earlier on when we might not be
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01:23:46.319 --> 01:23:48.560
able to afford a full time employee to do it.
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And sounds great.
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01:23:50.720 --> 01:23:57.399
Yeah, yeah, I think I think I covered everything for
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01:23:57.479 --> 01:24:00.800
today that I wanted to talk about. Maybe was there
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01:24:00.840 --> 01:24:07.840
something that that oh yes, the importance of knowing history. Okay, okay,
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01:24:07.880 --> 01:24:11.600
so we've been talking about like you know, old time
1505
01:24:11.640 --> 01:24:14.439
comedians and stuff and Mark Oleman and you kind of
1506
01:24:14.439 --> 01:24:17.640
made fun of me on that. But podcasts are generally
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01:24:17.720 --> 01:24:23.720
now like radio was right, it's basically radio, I think, Earl. Yeah, yeah,
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01:24:23.760 --> 01:24:28.920
so you guys are broadcasters, so you should know the
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01:24:28.960 --> 01:24:32.319
history of that meeting. So like Jack Benny was like
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01:24:32.520 --> 01:24:36.720
the biggest radio start in the country for like forever.
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01:24:37.840 --> 01:24:39.800
I don't know any how to style. These things are
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01:24:39.800 --> 01:24:42.000
important to know if you're in a business, to know
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01:24:42.079 --> 01:24:45.000
the history. So I hope you don't mind if we
1514
01:24:45.039 --> 01:24:47.199
talk about some of that stuff, not at all.
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01:24:47.199 --> 01:24:49.520
I think it's great. In fact, doing a little bit
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01:24:49.560 --> 01:24:51.920
of podcast on my own. I know it's not about that,
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01:24:52.000 --> 01:24:54.319
but I did model a little bit of what I
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01:24:54.359 --> 01:25:00.359
do off of two broadcasters. One is Conan O'Brien and
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01:25:00.399 --> 01:25:03.640
the other is an AM sports radio guy I listen
1520
01:25:03.800 --> 01:25:05.680
I listened to while I was growing up. His name
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01:25:05.720 --> 01:25:09.000
was Gary Radnich in the San Francisco Bay area. But
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01:25:09.359 --> 01:25:11.279
I agree with you. I think that's really important you
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01:25:11.960 --> 01:25:15.840
because just because it's a different medium doesn't mean you're
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01:25:15.880 --> 01:25:18.159
not basically doing the same job.
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01:25:19.239 --> 01:25:21.039
I think it's kind of crazy that radio has this
1526
01:25:21.119 --> 01:25:25.840
huge comeback, especially with younger, younger people. It's and you're
1527
01:25:25.880 --> 01:25:27.960
really good at So I'm glad you kind of modeled
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01:25:27.960 --> 01:25:30.640
it on people. But when I when I told you
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01:25:30.640 --> 01:25:33.039
you remind me of Steve Allen, and you didn't. You
1530
01:25:33.119 --> 01:25:34.960
didn't know that that was a compliment.
1531
01:25:35.600 --> 01:25:37.960
You should, But it turns out it was a huge compliment,
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01:25:38.000 --> 01:25:40.039
and now I really appreciate it because I looked him up.
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01:25:41.079 --> 01:25:43.720
Yeah, yeah, genius. I did get to meet him, I
1534
01:25:43.760 --> 01:25:47.399
told you. And you know, his wife was very famous
1535
01:25:47.399 --> 01:25:50.159
to Jane Meadows Allen, you know, and I was a
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01:25:50.199 --> 01:25:52.000
big fan of Heart two and I saw them at
1537
01:25:52.039 --> 01:25:53.680
a party. So I went over and I said to
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01:25:53.680 --> 01:25:55.520
Steve Allen, you know, I just tell you you're the
1539
01:25:55.520 --> 01:25:57.720
best ever. And he said, you can always tell me that.
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01:25:59.720 --> 01:26:05.880
I completely ignored Jane Meadows, like I didn't even like
1541
01:26:06.239 --> 01:26:10.039
say hello or anything because I was sold. See Allen's there,
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01:26:11.000 --> 01:26:13.680
So that was great. Yeah, all right, Ryan, thanks for
1543
01:26:13.199 --> 01:26:16.520
your time and we will meet again next time.
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01:26:17.479 --> 01:26:20.640
All right, everybody stick around. We've got another segment for
1545
01:26:20.680 --> 01:26:21.439
you coming up.
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01:26:22.600 --> 01:26:26.560
Wow, Dean Devlin, I just think he's such an interesting
1547
01:26:26.600 --> 01:26:28.640
person to listen to and all the stories and all
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01:26:28.640 --> 01:26:29.479
the things he's done.
1549
01:26:29.600 --> 01:26:32.560
Right Oh yeah, and I'm a Gary and Adam fanboy.
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01:26:32.640 --> 01:26:34.520
Let me tell you I love that stuff.
1551
01:26:35.399 --> 01:26:39.000
However, we've got some important business to discuss right now.
1552
01:26:39.680 --> 01:26:40.760
May is here.
1553
01:26:41.399 --> 01:26:42.560
What do we have on the slate.
1554
01:26:42.359 --> 01:26:45.119
For me on May sixteenth through the eighteenth.
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01:26:45.159 --> 01:26:49.520
We've got the Creation Supernatural Convention coming up and New
1556
01:26:49.600 --> 01:26:51.680
Jersey at the Medlands ExpoCenter.
1557
01:26:51.960 --> 01:26:55.079
Those supernatural conventions are always awesome.
1558
01:26:55.239 --> 01:26:59.000
It's gonna be a fantastic lineup. We've got Jensen, Jared, Misha,
1559
01:26:59.079 --> 01:27:00.119
and just a great a.
1560
01:27:00.159 --> 01:27:02.760
Crew of guests looking forward to it.
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01:27:02.840 --> 01:27:03.439
Yeah, me too.
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01:27:04.159 --> 01:27:07.960
I think that's it for us this week, right. We
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01:27:08.000 --> 01:27:10.319
want to thank you all for joining us this week.
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01:27:10.399 --> 01:27:12.680
We hope you had as great of a time watching
1565
01:27:12.720 --> 01:27:15.159
this and listening to this as we did recording it,
1566
01:27:15.159 --> 01:27:16.119
because it was awesome.
1567
01:27:16.199 --> 01:27:19.840
Yes, and make sure to leave any comments and subscribe
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01:27:19.880 --> 01:27:22.720
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1569
01:27:22.760 --> 01:27:23.319
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01:27:23.239 --> 01:27:25.279
Up today on all our great podcasts coming up.
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We'll see author.
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Thank you, s