Jontavious Willis #2403

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On this episode of Imagine, Create Inspire.
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Uh, you know, blues music is free people music.
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A lot of folks my generation think or other generation too,
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think that the slaver music, but the music come right
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after slave.
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So to me, that'swise so.
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Important to listen to those songs because they're like, these
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are free people talking, you.
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Know, and they saying that what you know, even if
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the record label had a good uh you know, son, and.
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They're still saying stuff that you know, hadn't been said
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before and the lady that hadn't been said before. And
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to me, it reminded me a lot of Rule George
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and Ruler places and Jennifer.
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That's how I man, you know you were listening to Imagine,
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Man, it's just good to see you.
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Did see you too, will.
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Yeah, I know you've been working hard, you know.
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For anybody that doesn't know, I mean, John Tavi is
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twenty eight years old.
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I mean as a.
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Sixty six year old dude, crusty old dude that's been
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into the blues or loving the blues for a better
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part of forty five years. I mean, I know that
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a lot of people like me are amazed by your
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not only your ability to play and sing, but the
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channel to do what a lot of people have been
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trying to do or want or say they want to do,
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to sound like or channel Lightning Hopkins or Son House
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or Muddy Waters, that whole vibe not only playing and singing,
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but storytelling.
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I mean, that's you, man. Is that what you feel?
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Oh? Yeah, for sure, sure.
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I think that's the main part of the.
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The journal is the storytelling.
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And I think, you know a bit of the going
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back to the you know, playing it like like the
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old folks. You know, I always, you know, I stopped
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listening to kind of like popular music around when I like.
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We're not listening to it.
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I stopped buying it. I stopped going to the store
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and buying it. But when I was about twelve or thirteen,
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and I started listening to blues right around the same
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the same time, and.
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I would listen to like the deep stuff, man, the
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stuff you know that was really really deep and learning
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that it was people from different regions and you know,
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not just Mississippi, naw, just so Cargo, but.
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Then Georgia, Alabama and Florida and Tennessee and all of
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the Southern states and then now and migration states too,
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and when they started young, you know, all the like
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some of them recorded when they were teenager, like Josh
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Wright and Heaven Hughes you hear.
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You know, it's a thing that planned in you.
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I think in church, you know, uh, you get this,
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you get the storytelling.
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You get the performance at least.
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At the smart but you know, very small still that
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kind of thing, but not really it's so smart as Yeah,
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but what I'm saying not on it, you.
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Know what I mean. Yeah, it's it's more more more basing.
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You know, we lived in based kind of situation. But
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I think, man, a storytelling aspect.
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Is what makes blues and gospel unique to me, is
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like it's so many ways to tell a story and
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you get a little blue.
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And gospel and you know that what I got it
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in gospel later in blue.
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Yeah, man, I think I think humor is big, you
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know in storytelling. You you know, like when you do
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the cat she ain't home.
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That kind of thing.
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I mean, it connects with people.
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They get it.
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You know, it's a it's a I know a lot
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of people may not know.
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I mean, you're not only uh, it's not only a
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great uh artist.
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But you went to was it Columbia University for a while.
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Yeah, mister Columbus at State University where I graduated there
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in turn of nineteen by my Basha.
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So I anthropology, right, something like that.
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I should I should have did.
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I was thinking of doing anthrotises, but they tell me
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I'd have to stay at another semester.
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Looking in the back, I should have.
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Did staying another semester, but I was touring so much
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I couldn't and.
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I didn't want to. So I just got such just
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amazing and search what I do with no money?
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Yeah?
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So when you when you started playing your first gigs,
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did do people your age come out to hear you?
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Oh? Now they still now, they still don't come out
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to hear people. Mind. I mean some people my age
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come out now more than get in the beginning. Because
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I think groups music in.
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The last ten ten player a year has really heightened
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got it and gotten a new players and a new audience.
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And when I started playing that long, but I started
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playing about fortune years ago with guitar and and you know, yeah,
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some of my contemporary knew some of the names.
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Cadillact record had had too long, came out before I
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started playing, and so it had brought up all.
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These old players and you know, people, people in myself
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at leaders aware that, you know, Chuck Berry and all
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these other folks, but they weren't coming to the shows.
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They still don't. The demographic of the show is still
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pretty much pretty.
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Much the same.
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You know, wait, because the whole bunch of things, you know,
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chick or price of location, uh uh, the history, you know,
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and a lot of people don't understand.
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Uh, you know, blues music is free people music.
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A lot of folks my generation think or other generations
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to think that it's slavery music.
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But there's music come right after slavery.
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So to me, that's why it's so important to listen
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to those songs, because they're like, these are free people talking,
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you know, and.
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They saying what what you know? Even though the record
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label had a good you know, thomb on them, they
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still saying stuff that you know, hadn't been said before.
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The rass.
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They hadn't been said before, and to me, it reminded
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me a lot of Rule Georgia and rural places.
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In general, because that's how my folks talk, you.
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Know, so hearing hearing the old records and stuff kind
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of kind of was sun for me.
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So you know.
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Yeah, but back to the original question now, and a
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lot of my folks they didn't come buy, but that
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didn't bolve me, you know, you know, but I still
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hung with them, and I listened to their music too,
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you know that I listen, you know, just like blues
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and any other thing. They're good rappers, they're bad rap,
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good blues, and they're definitely bad. It's a jetive for sure.
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You know. It's all yeah, But I think I.
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Think, you know, some people can can throw a whole
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genre of music away just because you.
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Know, the kind of pop stars of the genre kind
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of make it sad. I didn't define it, but yeah,
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I'm sorry, that's a man.
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That's what I want to hear.
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How you feel about it, it's uh, because it's got
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to be. I mean, you know, everybody has a story
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in their head. They tell it about themselves. You know,
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you got your own personal script. You know, and so
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you know when you're when you're twenty twenty one, three
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years old, it'd be easy to go just to to
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succumb to uh, you know, peer pressure or something, to
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be somebody that that that you're not really.
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That kind of thing.
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When when you knew this music was calling you, it
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meant something to you. You could do it authentically, you know,
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it was like you stayed the course. So I'm always
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interested to hear how people do that. You know, maybe
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we all have to fight, you know, fear of other
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people's opinions no matter what we're doing.
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That's that's the fact. And you know some people say,
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and you.
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Should eat bad the blues, you know, and that that
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that definition of evolution is changing the journal.
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You know, that's not evolving, you know, evolving. You still
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have the vocabulary. I don't necessarily mean the words.
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But I mean, you know, just the structure that was
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sat down by countless decades of people playing the genre
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of music from man May smithphone down.
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To to to to uh out.
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Of collone, you know, and you.
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Got so many different variations of that. You take it
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kind of like you know, making cooking, you know, anything
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that you do that that require different components being you know,
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brought together once you add yourself and those things being.
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That's evolution, you know, because you look at BB King,
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BB King.
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Is uh t bone.
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Walker, uh Lanniel Johnson and BB King, you know, and
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some other folks, but you can't forget BB King.
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So that what I know, I think that what a
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lot of people do.
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But a lot of folks now, evolution to them means rock,
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you know, And to me, that's.
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Another genre of blue, that rock blue.
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That's not contemporary blue because I go back and forth
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with the term traditional and contemporary. Traditional mean to be
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of uh something that's been going on for a while, right,
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you know, and contemporary.
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Mean to be current.
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And the way they got these categories now, they make
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it seem like those two things can't be just can't
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be of one.
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You know.
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If you live in now, you make amusing now and
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it's not just cover music, and there's stuff that that
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is unique to you that it's contemporary if it's if
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you're doing something that's in the line and what's been
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going on, and that traditional, you know, but they they.
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Substitute contemporary for rock.
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Or my brother he's not say alternative blue, but they're
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not trying to be better, but it is.
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That's you know, it's that it does. Rocky ain't just contemporary.
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You know, because rock rock some of some some of
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the rock stuff, but just the oldest some of the
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some of the blues.
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That like sixty sixty rock is a thing, you know,
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sixty blue is a thing, you know.
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So it yes, go ahead, man, now I can just
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say stand of course. And I don'tly know how they
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got off from that tangent man, but I'm gonna.
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Talk with changes where it's at, man, tangents, where it's at,
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That's what That's what I'm looking for.
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The Yeah, I mean, you know, like it's always just
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a delivery vehicle in some ways.
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I mean, you know, like before the internet, old guys
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like us, you know, you know, I remember hearing Nobody's
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Fought but Mind by led Zeppelin, and it was current
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on the radio when in the seventies when I was listening,
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and so it was a gateway to me finding out
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about whining Willy Johnson.
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Yeah, you know, so, I mean that was rock.
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As you put it clearly, but you know, the roots
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of that I currently found was the blues and tied
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the iconic individuals like buying with the Johnson who never
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got to credit that kind of thing, or proper credit.
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But you know, so it's all just a gateway to me,
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and even more so now I think, you know, there's
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a lot I don't like about being able to stream music,
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you know. In other words, I don't like the fact
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that artists like you get paid pennies on a stream
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that kind of thing.
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But I do like the fact that.
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You know, seem like to me that a lot of
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younger music buyers don't pay attention to genre so much
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his download a song if they like it.
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So I mean to give you an example, Sometimes I think.
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How could I get one hundred thousand more people to
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hear the world is in a tangle, you know, regardless
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of the of the genre, just hear it. I think
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I think a whole lot more people would dig it
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if they didn't have a preconceived notion of in some
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kind of frame like you said, alternative blues or you know,
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just just it's.
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Just a damn fine song with a real artist playing
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the music.
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For sure.
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Yeah, I'm with the I think that, you know, how
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they say you can't please everybody, but some people you
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have to categorize stuff for because it makes more sense
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to them, right, you have to, you know, sad sadly
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you have to. And then the other the other thing
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behind it. And you know I'm doing perfect streaming became.
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Streaming.
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I got, I gotta, I gotta, you know, mix mixed,
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feeling everybody because how I feel, I feel one way.
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You don't have to.
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It's nothing physical, you don't touch it. It's not like
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a CD. And I think we lovey to be in
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the blues.
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Field because I say we probably sell more CD then
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then probably some pop artists, you know, like like like
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really they just.
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Got a lot of streams because we can go somewhere
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and sell them fifty sixty CD you know what I'm saying,
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Like you don't see that that you selling them at
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twndred dollars, at twelve hundred, fourteen hundred.
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Dollars and that to.
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Streams you probably had like two hundred hund thousand screens
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and they go for like you know, I think one
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of the things that kind of hinder hindered the music
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today is that you know, back in the day, they
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had an r me, right, you couldn't make it.
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You couldn't make it if you know, even even in
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the blue tie, if you couldn't pay that song a
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good demo before you went into the studio to record,
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you went about the way they tape and you will
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never be heard of it, you know what I'm saying.
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And that's just the way it went. But now everybody
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can record so much music. Everybody got something going on.
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But see that what happened is the records died before
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it get out because you don't have a backroom behind it. Everybody,
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you know, you if you got a few thousand or
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you can get a few thousands on somebody to push
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your you know, your your art naturally, some of the
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art rids to talk anyway sometimes, but it is a.
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Good help to have, you know, a little a.
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Little push because at the end of the day, all
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of its still this and I think.
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That's a good thing to look back at. The history too,
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is like to know who.
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Your consumers are. And now that people have been knowing
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to be kind of thing for a while, you know,
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are knowing your consumers and also knowing where to take
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to kind of push different songs in different directions. The
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world's in the tangle. My most viewed video on like
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and this is how the digital world work, right. So
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the most viewed video I got on Faith Book.
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The World in the Tank, they got like five hundred thousands.
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But the most streamed video, I mean strength songs I
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got is take me to.
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The country that was picked up by like the bluegrass situation,
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where about like a couple million strings. That ain't a
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whole bunch of money, but it but it. You know,
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I wasn't expecting to get any money from I mean,
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that's how I see digital world. I think it should
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be how you pay. But at the same time, it's
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more easily accessible than radio than.
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A sum radio.
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And you know what I'm saying, So you can listen
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to millions of songs and have mor cued up and
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you know it's it's easier. So it's going to happen
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to be naturally, it'll be a cheaper you know page
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I'm not saying I'm for that, but what I'm saying
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is I prioritize and I.
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See these first.
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Because you actually see people, You actually get to hear
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their stories, they get to tell you things.
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You know, digital you don't know who buying it could be.
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From a robot to somebody that accident the pressed to
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somebody that really love them, you know, and you don't
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really get any feedback off. So you know, I just
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feel like, you know, the songs that I want to
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keep your rotation, uh so I can help get.
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Those thousands and thousand folks on board, or the songs
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that I play at my shoulds.
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You know, I retired the World in the Tanger because
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their video didn't come out the way I wanted to
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come out because ket and More was sick.
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You know, and.
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He was supposed to be playing the other guy that
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was walking up through them, and that's my buddy too,
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but it had a different connotation to me once Cat,
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you know, could went wrong, you know, so you know,
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I don't folk to listen to the song and got
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the message come up out of the school shootings and
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stuff like that.
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That that's why I wrote it for him. But you know, the.
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Video don't don't quite uh portray what I feel like
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it should.
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You know, Yeah, I got you man, I didn't know that.
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That's an interesting story. Speaking of kid Mo, I mean,
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I guess everybody that's fan of like maybe we want
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to know how was it hanging out with him?
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And everything.
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Yeah, great man. I just seen him last, all said,
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a writing session.
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He's great check in you know, uh probably you know
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before before time the year it was a good one
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for him.
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I met him through time in the hall and you know,
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picked up a lot of bus and stuff from there
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up and uh he really is a.
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Great asset and good friend and uh smart, smart dude
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with a good good player to a good songwriter, great songwriter.
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So it's it was good good hearing him, hear his story,
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and you know, being acquainted with them, and I feel
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like both of.
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Them kind of remind me of my uncle.
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They got uncle status, and they don't remind me of
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my uncle, but they got uncle status though.
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Uh. Tars and my grandma the.
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Same age, and keV a little bit older than my
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older uncle who but still they still give me uncle
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got Tar would be like great uncles and then Ken would.
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Be like both of them got kind of like great uncle. Yeah.
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It was good man. I got when they get their
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tars mo to them, I got to go. Uh we did.
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This was in twenty seventeen.
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I did uh the rhyming theater with them The Orphan
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in New Orleans, Austin City Limits uh.
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Uh Central Park in New York. Uh. Yeah, the Egg
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and auburny Uh, New York. Uh. It's a lot of us.
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I can't remember all the pluss we can't. We played
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in the Grain, George, and they've got an amphitheater.
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They got an amphitheater in the Grain, you know. Play.
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Yeah, they want they keep wanting me to open it
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at the Amphitheater. You know, at some point you have
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to at least try to be a headline, you know.
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What I'm saying, in your own town.
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You know what I'm saying, Like try they want they
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want to keep you on their open circuit, you know,
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like and they just actually open for anybody.
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You know what I'm saying.
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Yeah, it's just like just like Jesus man property, except
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in his own town.
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Yeah, that's in fact, that's the fact man who is
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a great working than God.
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Like I said, they're amazing and they are a.
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Good representation of the lineage of Blues and how it
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changed over time, and the way they approach music and
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the way they approach business is different than than the
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generation before in the generation after them, but they are
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all in touch with all of that stuff.
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Very insightful of everything. So yeah, it's it's it's good.
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It's good looking with them.
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Man.
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Yeah, that relationship didn't stop. We still we still talk
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talk a bit. Tars just had a birthday a few
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days ago. He's a fellow tarist.
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The birthday with.
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The howld is.
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Eighty two.
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M Man, you know, one thing, one thing I one
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thing I love about you is that like Taj and
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like Kemo. I don't know how to put this, but
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among other things, I like, you don't seem like in
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a hurry. You know, you don't we on the stage.
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I mean as opposed to uh, some artists who are there.
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I'm here to do a show. We're gonna do bam,
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bam bam. We're gonna do this number, this number, this number, crescendo.
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We're out, and it's like when you come on, it's like,
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I'm here to hang out with y'all. Yeah, you take
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your time.
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That's the kind of blues. That's the kind of blues
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I like. I like to hang out with you blue too,
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you know, because it's.
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I don't undcessarily mean just slow blue. You know.
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I like up to some more blues I like, I like,
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but I like this movie that have dynamics.
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With with word, with the word.
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Played with the music with keys, and with with with storytelling.
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I like dynamics. I felt it's a good representation of
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how my life is.
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Sometimes my life is fat, sometimes it's slow, and sometimes
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it's in between.
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You know.
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I think that you're like music. You're like mountains. You know,
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blues are like mountains too.
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You know, it's up and down, real view high ups
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and real real view a low down.
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The temperature change. You know, it's different, different kind of
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life going on in both of them. And I feel
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like one song has no residence of the make the song,
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you know, uh, you know.
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It's just it's uh yeah, that's that's how I feel.
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I play the music the same way I play at home,
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you know, besides with people.
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You know, that's poetic, man, that's poetic.
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Yeah, I mean, And like you said, during during COVID,
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I think you shined during that time making connections with people.
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You know, I enjoyed Washington.
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Yeah, man, that was a good that was a there
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was a time.
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But I feel I found out I was a pretty
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good hustler, good hustling, good hustling, not a bad you know,
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because you have to remain.
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Whatever your your personal definition of.
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Current and relevant here uh to to Uh, it's it's
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a better advantage, you know what I'm saying. At least
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that's how I felt. And I felt there was a
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lot of things going on during COVID that handled us
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from doing that. But man, I had started doing the
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open air things, you know, uh whatever. They started getting
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slipped by a new way of saying outside. You know what,
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I'm like open ye, But uh, but I was doing
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the over air stuff. I was doing lessons, you know,
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because I can always teach. You know what I'm saying,
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I'm I'm I'm.
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I got better at teaching.
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I used to not be so good because I didn't learn,
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you know, uh traditionally you know, I don't know you
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know the cord shakes.
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I can tell you what it's dreams of the movie
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hand and references the song. But I was doing that.
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Then I was helping orchestrate some of these workshops and
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stuff in Mississippi, and and uh started the Robert Johnson Challenge,
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you know, uh doing Robert Johns that they ended up
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getting over a million.
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Some reviews, and the m PR did a study.
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I might not a study store on it, and yeah, man,
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we had to keep it going, you know, we had
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to had to keep that momentum going because a lot
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of us doing big stuff before COVID had, you know,
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and I was.
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Still doing the show to during COVID because you Love.
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I got to thank Love and the special Sauce Jeffery
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and damn I forget maam mm. I only I only
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forget the bay Player because I didn't talk to him
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as much as I talked friend. Gee the damn it,
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it'll come to me anyway.
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They were still gigging in twenty twenty one, you know,
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and it went a whole bunch of money. But it
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better than no money, you know what I'm saying. So
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it was like I was gonna take I was gonna
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take my chance. I rarely get sick. I sweat a lot,
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you know what I'm saying. I drink, you know, you know, Hey,
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I try to walk this ship out if if you know.
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I ain't trying to just sit around, I got I'll
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be moving around and you get sick, you know. But
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he was gigging everywhere, man.
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And between that and the CD sail me and my home,
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and we just went.
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We went with him. You know, he was all up
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and down the East coast. I stopped with him, and
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it was March thirteenth.
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I stopped with him in Santa Barbara, California, and I
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had to drive back from Santa Barbara to Noon and
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Georgia like crazy and crazy a thirty some hours, you know.
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But me and my cousin did it.
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And it was fun though, but you know, but yeah,
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you know, the unemploymentship was good too, but.
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I got that, uh, with the gigs and stuff that
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we were doing, we made it a float.
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So yeah, you had we had to had to make
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make it work during that time, you know.
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And I also have you know, worked on my musicianship.
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And networking and yeah, man, I had to had to
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find all the non profit and you know stuff, you know,
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figure out how nonprofit work and.
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Uh yeah, man, that that was That was it though, man.
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But yeah, it's it's a part of life, you know.
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You know, everything ain't gonna always be sweet, you know. Uh,
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So I'm trying to get mind right of getting good
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because you never know that all these things uncertain.
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Uh.
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And that's something that you know about history too, Like, uh,
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sometimes you can be on top and then the next day.
523
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You you don't. But what I know, like I like
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to keep up with trends, and I like to keep
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up with, you know, the numbers and the way the
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numbers and the trend going. I should be all right
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for a little while, you know.
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So I'm trying to you know.
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My head in the history, keep my head and the
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workshopping not just traditional playing, and also trying to figure
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out I cannot my goal just to convey the what
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my message is, find out you know what my message
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is and my music overall. And am I conveying that
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a message one hundred percent on the stage?
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And if not, how can I get to you know
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that one hundred percent? Yeah? Yeah, yeah yeah. Figure out
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things and cope helped with it.
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Always working on the craft, always working on the craft.
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I love it.
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Man.
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You know last time you came, like you said, kind
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of good segue into that. When you came down to
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the theater in Columbiana, it was daring. It was kind
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of coming off the COVID thing. It was a I
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think you had your cousin with you or your I
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cannot remember the side man's name brought with you.
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But it was like we had.
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About twenty people in there.
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Because of COVID, so it was like, it's kind of
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a strange situation, but as you said, we all did
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the best we could do when live streamed it.
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Who was that that came with you?
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Do you remember that?
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Was it?
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Andrew might have been guitar guy. I want to say
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he was. He was related to you.
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Old Jay Hop.
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Yeah, that's it.
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That's the one.
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He the one, yeah, yeah, he the one that went
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with me with with love. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm thinking.
562
00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:25.960
I'm thinking, I'm thinking about two different times. Yeah, yeah,
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Jay Hope, you sure did it like one.
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That's it.
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I'm glad to bring you back under better circumstances, you know. Yeah,
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I'm glad to be gonna come down June eighth to
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the to the Song Theater. I know we're really excited
568
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about it because we're big.
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Fans of you.
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And then the next day, June night.
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There's another storyteller known as Sean's the South, and I
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can't wait to have you there on June eighth with
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your own audience and then expose you to those people
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who who don't know who you are and and get
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a dose of your storytelling.
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It's gonna be awesome.
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I like it. I like that.
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We like hopefully a good contrast for you, you know,
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maybe maybe a fun weekend and developed some new some
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new fans and and hopefully set a ton of CDs.
581
00:27:16.599 --> 00:27:18.519
Oh yeah, that what we won't? That what we won't.
582
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I appreciate it, man, I'm looking forward to it. Brother,
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I'm looking forward to it.
584
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That'd be awesome.
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00:27:24.759 --> 00:27:28.000
We'll tell you what, man, watch you play a little
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pick a little bit and then invite everybody down to
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Columbia and Alabama on June eighth, and then we'll cut
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it out, make a.
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Make a commercial out over or something. If you can
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do that, we just wing it.
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Dog, I got, I got.
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Uh uh uh uh and I'm where not.
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Let't be where it all.
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Warry not mama, Oh won't be were it.
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You take a word and man to say and love
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it and our song finey water around.
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Now you is that house on Friday?
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Water around my days? I ma moa than your daddy and.
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A I have done before you mama daddy and.
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I need my money. He's just try to keep I
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have done more for you could not.
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Ever was done. I'm gonna tell you.
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I have done. Then you got in the good lord,
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but I thought you should have, but the large can't
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give you.
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Now, give that got Litre, it goes bard.
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I said, give me back that when you got the baby.
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Lit I found out this morning and then evened me.
609
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Well, I took my baby to the half dressers. What
610
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it hat does? I said, I can't use then by
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the hair. All I can do is breeze a head.
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Lord, I said, I know.
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Now I find out early this morning and even need.
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And that's for real, man, that's real. That's awesome.
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Dude.
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Well, thank you, man, appreciate you.
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