Christopher Dorner

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Hello and welcome back to the podcast.
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I'm Rachel.
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I'm Brie.
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I'm Joey.
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And this is SoCal Slaughters.
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What do we have here?
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So we have a little something called a fireside slider.
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Fireside slider.
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It's like a little something you drink when you're up in a cabin.
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By the fireside.
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By the fireside, nice and cozy.
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And it's iced.
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So you can even have it in a California mountain.
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Yeah.
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Or it's 78 degrees outside.
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Yeah.
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We're having it right now in Orange County where it's 93 degrees outside.
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Yeah.
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But it's very rough.
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I have Central AC, so nonetheless.
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We're out ice.
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Um, cheers, ladies.
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It is the end of September.
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I love it.
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Hmm.
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Oh, that's very nice.
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Yeah.
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Good.
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It does make you want to be like cozed up, you know?
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It makes me want to go with some fuzzy socks by the fire.
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It makes me go get a pumpkin.
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They're like 30 bucks.
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They're like six bucks.
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What?
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At the grocery store.
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At the grocery store.
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Don't go to the pumpkin pack and buy a pumpkin.
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They're like 30 bucks.
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I yeah, they're like 30 bucks.
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Who's spending 30 bucks on a pumpkin?
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Um Orange County people.
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It's insane.
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At Tanaka Farms.
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Amazing place.
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I'm like, okay, I'll go to six dollar pumpkins and be like this big.
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No, they're big.
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I was just at ROPS this morning getting things for the cocktail.
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Did you get a pumpkin?
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I did not get a pumpkin.
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Then I don't believe you.
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It's too early.
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It's September.
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It's a pumpkin now.
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Like, I'm not carving pumpkins for like another month.
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Yeah, but they'll stay.
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I'm not doing that.
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A month from now is way too late.
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Okay, well, I'm not carving pumpkins this week.
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Too much going on.
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No, literally you can't, especially in this heat and humidity.
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Yeah, he's just gonna be.
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So when I did that El Nino year one year, and it looked like our pumpkins were melting because they were literally disintegrating.
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I was thinking about pumpkin because there's that thing where you put the sack inside the pumpkin and then the dispenser outside the mouth.
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Yeah.
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Because Sabathon is next week.
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Yeah.
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But I'm not gonna do that.
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Don't have my colors yet.
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One thing at a time.
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No, that's not how we live our lives.
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I mean, it's not how I live my life, anyways.
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I don't have my costume yet, to be fair.
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Okay.
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But I also like am not gonna do my costume like I'm gonna do my costume at Samadhon.
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Like I'm gonna do like the bare bones of my costume.
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Oh, because you're using your actual Halloween costume.
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Because it's still a victim.
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Well, I mean, it's a busy time of year for us.
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Yeah, it is.
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It really is.
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It's our favorite time of year.
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All right.
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Should we jump into it?
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Sure.
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Dive in.
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Okay.
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I'm ready.
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I'm gonna start this story actually with a story about myself.
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Okay.
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Intrigue.
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Um, 2013.
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It was probably February 7th.
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We'll go with February 7th.
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So I lived in Pedro at the time.
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And Pedro is very hilly, right?
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So I worked at a coffee shop and had to be there at 4 30 in the morning.
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Gross.
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Yeah.
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Last night.
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So I'm coming down the hill on First Street, and the major cross street is Western.
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And four in the morning, it's on a timer, so it's not just gonna change.
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Like you could be sitting there for 10 minutes.
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So really yeah.
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So I would just kind of I give it a few minutes, and then I inch forward a little bit.
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And then inch forward a little bit.
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Just to make sure, because it's a big, it's a big intersection.
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Yeah.
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So this morning I'm creeping in, creeping in, and I'm like, all right, I'm safe.
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And I go across the street in the middle of me being in the intersection, a cop around the curve on Western to my left, right behind me.
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Wow.
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Fucking screwed.
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I'm like, there's no way around this.
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Like I ran the red light.
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Right.
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So I'm going down not one uh mile per hour over the speed limit.
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I'm just like fuck fuck fuck.
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And he flips his lights on and he zooms right past me, flies straight down first.
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Wow.
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No way.
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So I'm like, wow, like what the hell?
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Like so lucky.
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Like, what happened that he didn't pull me over?
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Like something must have happened.
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Right.
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Right.
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So I get to work.
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I'm telling all my coworkers, I'm telling all my customers, like, of how lucky I was this morning.
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Yeah.
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And so one coworker says, Well, yeah, they don't care about that.
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They're looking for this guy that's out hunting cops right now.
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And I was like, I'm sorry, what?
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And that man was Christopher Dorner.
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Oh.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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I remember this name.
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Yeah.
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So do you know this one?
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Are you guys really in a former?
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I mean, I know the rough general story of Chris Dorner, yes.
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Okay.
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But it's it's gonna be a wild ride.
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Wild.
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Wild.
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Okay, you know how my memory is.
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I am sure like halfway through we're gonna be like you were in Southern California in 2013.
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You know this.
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I've never, I've only been outside for a short amount of time.
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Short amount of time?
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I don't know.
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I was gonna let it go.
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All right, so who was Christopher Dorner?
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First is a pants amount of time.
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All right, so Christopher Jordan Dorner was born on June 4th, 1979, in New York, and he grew up in Southern California, attended Cyprus High School, and later went to Southern Utah University, where he studied political science and psychology and played football.
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According to Dorner himself, his interest in law enforcement went back to his teenage years when he participated in a youth program in La Palma.
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Okay.
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In 2002, Dorner joined the U.S.
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Navy Reserve.
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Of course.
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Yeah.
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His assignments included aviation-related training, security duties, and service with the mobile inshore undersea warfare unit, whose mission involved things like coastal surveillance and harbor defense.
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That sounds cool.
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Yeah.
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He also served in the Coastal Ravine Group too and was deployed in Bahrain between 2006 and 2007.
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His military record showed he is a qualified marksman with a rifle, an expert with a pistol.
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He also specialized in explosives and survival techniques.
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Quite the resume.
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Yeah, and we trained him good, right?
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By 2005, he was still in Naval Reserve, but he also joined the Los Angeles Police Department.
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Okay.
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His trip through the police academy took longer than usual, partly because of injuries and interruptions.
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One incident involved a negligent discharge of his weapon, which injured his hand.
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Oh.
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He eventually graduated from the academy in 2006.
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But Donor's probationary period as an LAPD officer would be interrupted by military obligations.
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He was deployed with the Navy and returned to the LAPD in July 2007.
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Okay.
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Because he had not completed his probationary training before leaving, Donor still had field training to finish.
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And he was assigned to LAPD's harbor area in San Pedro.
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Oh.
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He also frequented one of the many coffee shops, main coffee shops that I worked at.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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It was open till 11.
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We were open till 11 back then.
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So you didn't know.
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If I did, if I did, I he didn't leave an impression.
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This was around the same time I worked in that location.
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Yeah.
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And there was always police and longshoremen at that store.
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And you're always super busy.
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Yeah.
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And it was busy.
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It was busy.
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That's why we were open till 11.
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Right.
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July 28th, 2007, Dorner and Teresa Evans, who was his training officer, responded to an incident at the Double Tree in San Pedro.
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A man named Christopher Gettler was causing a disturbance.
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Gettler suffered serious mental illnesses, including schizophrenia and severe dementia.
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During the encounter, Gettler became physically resistant.
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Of course, as one does with schizophrenia and dementia.
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Evans used a taser.
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There was a struggle near and inside some bushes, and Gettler was eventually taken into custody.
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Okay.
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At this time, at the time of the incident, Dorner did not report witnessing any excessive force.
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Oh, it wasn't him?
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No, it was Evans.
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Oh, okay, okay.
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Sorry.
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13 days later, on August 10th, Dorner went to a supervisor with this allegation.
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Dorner said during the arrest, Teresa Evans had kicked Christopher Gettler.
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According to Dorner, Evans kicked him in the upper body and the face while trying to restrain him.
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Evans denies this.
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And it began an internal investigation.
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This is where the story becomes a little complicated.
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There's evidence presented on both sides.
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Okay.
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Several witnesses to portions of the arrest said they did not see Evans kick Gettler.
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How many people were there?
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I don't know.
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It's Pedro.
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But also, I mean, they're the arresting officers.
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They're the closest, and that stuff happens quick.
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Yeah.
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Right?
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Yeah.
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A supervisor who had examined Gettler afterward did not report injuries that he believed to be kicking, indicated by kicking.
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But Christopher Gettler's father, Richard, later testified that when his son came home, his face appeared puffy.
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And according to Richard, his son told him that a police officer had kicked him.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Do with that what you will.
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But this would have been Evans.
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Right.
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Right?
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It would have been.
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If he if he had been kicked, it would have been Evans.
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Evans, yeah.
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Yes.
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But he's also not 100% in his right mind.
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This is also true.
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You know, so I mean, anything.
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You got tased.
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Maybe your face is a little puffy from that.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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I don't know.
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Investigators accused Donner of making a false complaint and false statements, claiming he wanted to get back at Evans for giving him a substandard rating, which would basically be the first step towards termination.
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Oh.
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The case went before the LAPD Board of Rights.
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Dorner is represented during his proceedings by retired LAPD captain, turned attorney Randy Kwan.
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Oh.
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So he's super accomplished.
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Yes.
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Yes, he is.
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The Board of Rights ultimately concluded that Dorner had made a false allegation and he was fired.
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Wait.
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Dorner made the fake allegation.
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They say that he lied.
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That was the conclusion of the trial.
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So Dorner was one of the people saying that his that Evans did not.
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No, Dorner came to the supervisor saying that Evans had kicked him.
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Okay.
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So so basically they said that Evans didn't do any of it.
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And you're lying.
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And then he fired him.
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And then they fired him.
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Okay.
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Yes.
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He later fought the decision through the courts, but was unsuccessful.
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Years later, after the events that will transpire, the LAPD conducted another extensive review of his termination.
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The review again concluded that Dorner's firing was justified.
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And we there's no body cams.
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No.
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2007 San Pedro.
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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Yeah.
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The Los Angeles Police Commissioner's Office of Inspector General separately reviewed the process.
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It identified some issues with aspects of the original proceedings, including how certain witnesses' testimony have been characterized, but ultimately they agreed that it was the right decision.
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I mean, that's good.
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At least they went through that process again.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Multiple departments.
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So he still held to his claims years down the line.
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Yes.
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So years pass.
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Dorner has remained in the Navy Reserve until February 1st, 2013.
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He's honorably discharged with the rank of lieutenant.
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I mean, that's good.
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No public record on why he was discharged, but it was an honorable discharge.
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Yeah.
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Around this time, CNN anchor Anderson Cooper received a package connected to Dorner.
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How is it connected to Dorner?
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Inside was material relating to his firing from the LAPD.
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Like he's trying to get that word out there, kind of a thing.
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This was what, six years later?
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So he basically sent a like a letter or something that had information about it.
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In that package was a souvenir challenge coin that belonged to former LAPD chief William Bratton, and that coin had been shot.
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Oh, okay.
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Yes.
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I have a challenge coin.
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Oh we got one when we graduated from cool.
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Two days later, in Irvine, February 3rd, 2013, which was also Super Bowl Sunday.
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Do you know who was playing in 2013 Super Bowl Sunday?
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Um, yes, I do.
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Those who shall not be named.
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Is that what's happening?
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Yeah.
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Well, it doesn't matter.
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They lost.
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You keep your secrets.
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The Ravens and the Niners.
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Yes.
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Perfect.
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I know Ravens are purple outfits, right?
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Yeah.
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They're black and purple.
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Yeah.
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That's from Baltimore.
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Help me.
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I know that his um Graham Graham cracker.
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Graham, yeah.
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Graham loves the Ravens.
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Gray Mercy Park.
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Yeah.
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Um, he is a big uh Ravens fan.
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I I allow it.
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I mean, I feel his pain from having a team like that.
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They are, I mean, the Ravens are a good team.
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Are they being good now?
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I mean, they've they've been a good team.
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They just can't figure it out.
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Well, they figured out their mascot pretty well because it's really pretty.
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And it's connected to Poe.
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That's who I would have gone for that year.
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At approximately 9 10 p.m., someone noticed a person slumped over inside their Kia Optima in the upper level of the residential parking structure of the apartment.
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Immediately called the police.
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Randy Kwan.
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Do you remember Randy Kwan?
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His attorney was watching the news that night and recognized this apartment building as the location where his daughter lives.
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So he tries to call her with no luck.
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No.
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So he calls the Irvine Police Department and they confirm the victim was his daughter, Monica Kwan, and her fiance, Keith Lawrence.
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Okay.
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Both have been shot multiple times in the back of the head in what, quote, looked like an assassination kill.
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Assassination kill, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Does this sound weird?
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But like, I think I lived in Irvine in 2007.
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Then you definitely saw some police activity.
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Let me just let you know, it was uh there was a lot of things happening during that time.
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But it's now 2013, right?
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Oh, okay, okay, okay.
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You're right.
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You know what?
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Thank you for that.
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You're welcome.
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Yes, someone needs to know the story.
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I'm following.
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Not by me, because I agreed with you.
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Oh yeah.
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The next morning, February 4th, an officer's uniform is discovered in a dumpster down in National City in San Diego County.
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Oh, okay.
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That's far.
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That's far.
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Yeah.
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On the uniform is Dorner's name.
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Okay.
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There's ammo and a notepad.
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And on the notepad is the name Evans.
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So he's real slick.
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Super slick.
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There's also video surveillance of him doing this later.
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Um, so National City Police contact LAPD to let them know, like, hey, this officer's uniform was found with ammo and this notepad.
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I said, oh, Donor, Donor doesn't work at the LAPD any longer, but Evans does.
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At this time, as well, February 6th, Dorner's 19-page manifesto is discovered and announced to the public.
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In this manifesto, Donor blames the LAPD for corruption, says he was retaliated against for reporting an officer.
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He alleged the department harbored deep-seated racism, corruption, and a culture of covering up police misconduct.
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Were they being racist against him?
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They will be.
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Okay, okay, okay.
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Not in that specific incident.
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No.
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Okay.
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Just in general.
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Right.
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Okay.
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Dorner vouched to waive unconventional, asymmetrical, jihottist warfare against the LAPD officers and their families, both on and off duty.
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Document listed no less than 40 targets.
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Wow.
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That's he declared that his violent rampage would only stop if the LAPD publicly acknowledged what he claimed was true and cleared his name.
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Take a deep breath.
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Was his name like being smeared?
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Like I feel like nobody knew about it.
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Nobody knew who he was at that time.
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Okay.
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This is this was my thought that maybe the information was somehow relayed, and that is why he was honorably discharged.
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Because they were like, look at you're turning on your fellow officers.
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What's gonna keep you from doing something like that in the Navy?
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You know, I think that especially in an armed forces military situation, right?
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Those are your brothers, you know.
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Yeah.
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So maybe they were they saw it and they weren't liking what they were seeing.
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That's possible.
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I guess I could see that, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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So I don't want it to only be said that the only incident that we're gonna say with Dorner was this incident at the hotel.
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Okay.
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I'm going to read part of his manifesto, which gives another um incident that happens.
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It's a little long, and names are redacted.
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Okay.
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So I will be saying redacted.
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Okay.
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Because I don't have a name to tell you.
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Okay.
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Quote The internal affairs investigation in the academy involving Redacted was spurned by a complaint that I initiated towards two fellow recruits officers.
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While assigned patrol foot beat in Hollywood division, officers redacted and redacted, both current LAPD officers, decided that they would voice their personal feelings about the black community.
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While traveling back to the station in a 12-passenger van, I heard redacted refer to another individual as the Edward.
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I wasn't sure if I heard it correctly, as there were many conversations in the van that was compiled of at least eight officers, and I was sitting in the very rear.
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No, I'm sorry.
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And he was sitting in the very rear and me in the very front.
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Even with multiple conversations and ambient noise, I heard officer redacted call an individual the N-word again.
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Now that I had confirmed it, I told redacted not to use that word again.
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I explained that it is a well-known offensive word that should not be used by anyone.
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He replied, quote, I'll say what I want.
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Yes.
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Officer redacted, a friend of his, also stated that he would say the N-word when he wanted.
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At that point, I jumped over my friend's seat and two officers.
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I jumped over the seat and two officers where I placed my hands around redacted.
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I stated to redacted, don't fucking say that.
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At that point, there was pushing and shoving, and we were separated by several officers.
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What I should have done was put a Winchester Ranger SXT 9mm 147.
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Say that five times fast.
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Right.
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Grain bullet in his skull and officer redacted skull.
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The situation would have been resolved effective immediately.
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The sad thing about this incident was that when Detective Redacted from Internal Affairs investigated the incident, only one officer unknown in the van other than myself had statements consistent with what actually happened.
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Shame on every one of you.
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Shame on detective redacted.
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Same ethnicity as redacted for creating a separate 128 formal complaint against me.
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Redacted complaint.
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In retaliation for initiating the complaint against, redacted and redacted.
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Don't retaliate against honest officers for breaking your so-called blue line.
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I hope your son, redacted, who I knew is a better officer than you, Detective Redacted.
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The saddest part of this ordeal is that officer, redacted and redacted, were only given a 22 day suspension and are still LAPD officers to this day.
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That day, the LAPD stated that it is acceptable for fellow officers to call black officers the N word to their face, and you will receive a slap on the wrist.
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Even sadder is that during the 22 day suspension, redacted and Reducted, received is that the LAPPL, which is the Los Angeles Police Protective League, paid the officers their salaries while they were suspended.
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End quote.
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So that's a lot.
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Yeah.
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I thought it was important to include more than just him claiming someone kicked someone.
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And that there was someone else who corroborated the same story while everyone else said it wasn't.
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So take with that what you will.
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Another line from this manifesto says, Self-preservation is no longer important to me.
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I do not fear death as I died long ago.
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On January 2nd, 2009, I was told by my mother that sometimes bad things happen to good people.
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I refuse to accept that.
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Yeah.
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It's a lot going, it's a lot.
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There's a lot going on.
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I mean, no matter what.
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This all happening or not, feeling like you are You're the one that's choosing life or death for people is that's right.
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That's where I draw the line.
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Actions don't add up to no right.
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So now the connection between the Irvine murders and Donor was made.
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And on February 6th, Donor was publicly named, stating he is armed and extremely dangerous.
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Departments from all over California, as well as U.S.
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Marshals and the FBI, were all over Southern California looking for him.
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LA police chief Charlie Beck reached out to Mayor Villa Ragosa in hopes of setting up a reward.
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There was a reward set up for$1 million, which is the largest reward set for a local manhunt.
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His home in Vegas is searched, and his mother's home in La Palma was searched.
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His mother lives on the same block as friends of ours.
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Oh, oh.
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Yeah, they were home when it happened.
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Oh yeah.
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Oh my gosh, that's so crazy.
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Could you imagine you're just home and SWAT and helicopters and everything?
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Oh my God.
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That's what happens in Huntington.
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Oh, but yeah.
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I mean when I lived in Downtown was the same.
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One night when they were like, stay in your home set, like things constant.
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And when I lived in Pedro, so yeah.
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Approximately 10 30 p.m., a man matching Dorner's description.
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I'm sorry, so we're still on February 6th.
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Okay.
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Approximately 10:30 p.m., a man matching Dorner's description attempted to steal a 47-foot boat from a marina in Point Loma, which is in San Diego.
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An 81-year-old man aboard was restrained.
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This man could not get the boat started.
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And this was his second failed attempt.
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So now he heads north.
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Isn't this like a part of his training?
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Yeah, I don't know how we couldn't get two boats started.
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Yeah.
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But obviously he's trying to flee to Mexico.
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That wasn't gonna pan out, so he drives north.
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Hours later, February 7th, shortly after 1 a.m.
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in Corona, a man spots Dorner's gray Nissan Titan at an AMP.
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Two LAPD officers arrive in the area.
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Oh they're traveling, they're on their way for protective detail for someone on this list.
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And they just stop at an a.m.
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Stop.
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Who knows how long they're gonna be at this house?
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They're probably getting coffee and snacks.
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He lets them know that he had seen a truck resembling Dorner's.
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Immediately they pursue.
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Dorner sees them, gets on 15 North.
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He's way ahead of them, exits Magnolia.
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Officers egg to Magnolia.
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By the time they reach him, he's already stopped with his door open, like behind the door with his rifle.
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Immediately starts shooting.
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Yeah.
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They return fire.
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One officer is grazed in the head.
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Both survive.
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Dorner flees.
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Minutes later, he's in Riverside.
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At the intersection of Magnolia and Arlington, Dorner spots two officers in a marked car, just stopped at the curb.
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Yeah.
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And immediately starts opening fire.
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They had no chance.
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These men were Officer Michael Crane and Officer Andrew Tacchius.
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Crane was a 34, was 34 years old and an 11-year veteran with the Riverside Police Department, a former U.S., a U.S.
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State Marine and husband and father of two.
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He is killed.
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Tacius is 27 and was being trained.
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Yeah, I knew he was going to be trained because he was with some of the veteran.
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Yeah.
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Tacyas was hit multiple times, including in both arms.
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He survives.
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Nearby, this is 1 a.m.
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nearby are two cars.
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In one car was Jack Chilson, who was quoted as saying Dorner looked happy as a bumblebee while he was shooting these officers.
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Get the fuck out.
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When Dorner fled, Jack followed him.
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Because he didn't want that his he wanted to be able to tell the officers like where he went, something.
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Just being a good citizen.
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Yeah.
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This guy was very brave.
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Um, so he's following him.
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Dorner takes a sharp turn, and Jack kind of gets a little like nervous.
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Like maybe, maybe I shouldn't be doing this.
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So he leaves, calls the police.
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The second car was a taxi driver unnamed.
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He went to the officers and was able to help Takius uh communicate with the police.
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Oh.
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Both men were honored by the police department.
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As I should be.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Jack even was telling like one of the officers, I wish I had thought to throw my phone in his truck so you can track it.
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And they were like, You did so much.
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You did more than you needed to.
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Like, that was so I I can't say I would do the same.
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The following day in Torrance, 5 15 in the morning, there are two sidewalk shootings, minutes apart and blocks away.
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First shooting.
00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:25.759
Officers see a pickup truck, lights off.
00:28:25.839 --> 00:28:28.079
They're patrolling one of the target's houses.
00:28:28.720 --> 00:28:31.200
Lights off, slowly driving down the street.
00:28:31.839 --> 00:28:34.559
Police immediately start shooting the back of the truck.
00:28:35.200 --> 00:28:37.119
It's which they blew Toyota.
00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:39.039
This is not Dorner.
00:28:39.279 --> 00:28:41.680
I was just gonna say, I was like, I thought he was it's a grave.
00:28:42.079 --> 00:28:44.160
I remember the morning this happened.
00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:51.839
Inside the truck was 71-year-old Emma Hernandez and her daughter, Margie Carranza, who were delivering newspapers.
00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:53.119
Jeez, man.
00:28:53.359 --> 00:28:53.519
Yeah.
00:28:53.680 --> 00:28:57.599
Um, Hernandez was shot in the back, and Carranza had an injury to the head.
00:28:57.759 --> 00:29:02.640
They both survived, and they were awarded four million dollars in a settlement.
00:29:02.799 --> 00:29:03.119
Yeah.
00:29:03.279 --> 00:29:03.920
Yeah.
00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:08.960
Blocks over, police see another pickup truck.
00:29:09.920 --> 00:29:11.200
This is also not Dorner.
00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:13.119
I was like, I don't like where this is going at all.
00:29:13.359 --> 00:29:17.200
This is a black Honda Ridgeline being driven by David Perdue.
00:29:17.680 --> 00:29:22.400
Police ramm his truck, fire three shots into the windshield.
00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:25.680
Luckily, David was not shot.
00:29:25.839 --> 00:29:30.640
He did suffer a concussion and multiple physical and psychological injuries.
00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:34.799
He was awarded$1.8 million in an excessive force lawsuit.
00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:43.599
Three hours later, there is a report of a burning vehicle in the Big Bear Mountains.
00:29:43.839 --> 00:29:45.200
Dude, this guy's getting old.
00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:46.720
This is Dorner's truck.
00:29:46.880 --> 00:29:47.200
Yes.
00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:47.680
Okay.
00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:50.400
Schools and ski slopes are immediately shut down.
00:29:50.480 --> 00:29:51.119
This is February.
00:29:51.279 --> 00:29:51.440
Yeah.
00:29:51.920 --> 00:29:52.480
It's snow.
00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:52.880
Right.
00:29:53.359 --> 00:29:54.319
There's a storm coming.
00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:55.119
Yeah.
00:29:55.839 --> 00:30:03.200
Detective Alex Collins, who was an officer with the San Bernardino Police Department and was his station was Big Bear.
00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:03.680
Mm-hmm.
00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:06.960
He was taking some time off as he and his wife, they just had a baby.
00:30:07.200 --> 00:30:07.519
Okay.
00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:11.759
His two older brothers are on the same force as he is.
00:30:12.160 --> 00:30:15.680
He wakes up that morning and sees what had happened in Riverside.
00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:19.440
He calls his brothers to see, you know, what you know, what's what's the word.
00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:23.440
And while they're on the phone, is when they get word of the pickup truck.
00:30:23.599 --> 00:30:23.839
Yeah.
00:30:24.079 --> 00:30:30.160
So he calls his detective sergeant, who was also on vacation, and he was in Newport at the time.
00:30:30.319 --> 00:30:33.200
And they agree, like, we can't be on vacation right now.
00:30:33.279 --> 00:30:34.640
We gotta fucking get back to work.
00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:39.680
So his detective sergeant, his wife took him to Alex's house.
00:30:39.839 --> 00:30:43.599
Together, they went up and joined, joined forces.
00:30:44.240 --> 00:30:46.720
There's not much movement over the next few days.
00:30:46.960 --> 00:30:54.400
Um, they are monitoring his bank account and his cell phone, and there's a lot of like trail cameras set up throughout the mountain.
00:30:54.880 --> 00:30:56.880
Nothing is, there's nothing going on.
00:30:57.039 --> 00:31:01.359
No cameras, even like where his truck was burning, the tracks led nowhere.
00:31:01.599 --> 00:31:03.519
Like he has survivalists, exactly.
00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:05.519
Like he's not gonna be using his cell phone.
00:31:05.680 --> 00:31:06.160
Yeah, yeah.
00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:10.480
That's like 101, you know, and of course, like you can't find his tracks where he went.
00:31:12.079 --> 00:31:13.599
He's used to this kind of weather.
00:31:13.920 --> 00:31:15.440
The weather, yes, is nothing.
00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:16.000
Yeah.
00:31:16.319 --> 00:31:19.599
February 12th, there's movement.
00:31:21.519 --> 00:31:28.240
Jim and Karen Reynolds, who own a resort in Big Bear, went to check in on one of their units that had recently undergone renovations.
00:31:28.400 --> 00:31:28.559
Okay.
00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:30.960
Want to check in on it, get it cleaned up.
00:31:31.680 --> 00:31:32.960
Dorner's inside.
00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:34.319
And he is armed.
00:31:35.200 --> 00:31:42.720
He restrains Jim and Karen, tells them, I will not hurt you as long as you don't cause any trouble.
00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:43.440
Yeah.
00:31:43.680 --> 00:31:52.240
He then proceeds for over an hour while they're restrained on the couch to give them his side of the story and why he's doing this.
00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:52.720
Oh.
00:31:53.039 --> 00:31:53.599
Yeah.
00:31:54.000 --> 00:31:55.200
And then he took off.
00:31:55.440 --> 00:31:55.759
Okay.
00:31:55.920 --> 00:31:56.160
Yes.
00:31:56.319 --> 00:31:57.200
And he just left them there.
00:31:57.440 --> 00:31:57.920
Yes.
00:31:58.240 --> 00:32:01.599
He left in there purple or maroon, Nice on Rogue.
00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:02.160
Okay.
00:32:02.319 --> 00:32:05.920
So so far he's only targeting police officers.
00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:09.759
He is sticking to officers and their families.
00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:10.480
Okay.
00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:10.960
Yes.
00:32:11.279 --> 00:32:11.599
Sorry.
00:32:11.759 --> 00:32:12.240
Yes.
00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:12.880
Yeah.
00:32:13.119 --> 00:32:21.680
So she's she's still tied, but she's able to get to her cell phone and from behind her back, she calls 911 and lets them know this is the car I drove.
00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:22.400
He just took our car.
00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:25.119
So now all APB out for this Nissan Rogue.
00:32:26.079 --> 00:32:31.440
Two officers, two police officers, and two fish and wildlife wardens are setting up a checkpoint.
00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:34.000
When they see the Nissan Rogue, go by.
00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:39.680
Immediately, they jump in the car, follow chase, they lose him.
00:32:40.240 --> 00:32:41.279
How do you lose them?
00:32:41.440 --> 00:32:42.000
There's one car.
00:32:43.119 --> 00:32:43.519
One road.
00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:45.119
So literally one road.
00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:49.119
He had veered off the road and smashed the car into a snowbank.
00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:51.279
I mean, I guess that's quite a big thing.
00:32:51.680 --> 00:32:56.160
So the snow just covered the car up, then seems like it.
00:32:56.319 --> 00:32:57.119
Unless he went down.
00:32:57.440 --> 00:33:01.519
Then how'd he get out of the car if the snow's covering it?
00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:03.680
He sounds like Jason Bourne at this point.
00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:04.480
I mean.
00:33:05.599 --> 00:33:15.440
So when he smashes this rogue, he sees Rick headlebrake and his Dalmatian getting into his dodge pickup.
00:33:16.160 --> 00:33:19.920
Donor points a gun at Rick and says, I don't want to hurt you.
00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:21.200
Just keep walking.
00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:21.599
Okay.
00:33:21.839 --> 00:33:23.920
So he and his dog don't even look back.
00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:27.759
They just because he reckon everyone, everyone knows who this guy is right now.
00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:29.680
So he just starts walking.
00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:32.799
Minutes later, he hears about 10 to 20 rounds.
00:33:33.359 --> 00:33:38.319
Donor had driven past, some more officers and fishing game wardens shot through their car.
00:33:38.480 --> 00:33:39.279
They survive.
00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:40.000
Okay.
00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:40.960
Yes.
00:33:41.359 --> 00:33:43.440
So now everyone knows he's in the area.
00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:45.039
Everyone's looking.
00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:50.240
Collins notices some suspicious tracks in the snow near a cabin.
00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:53.759
SWAT arrives and takes the lead to follow the tracks.
00:33:54.079 --> 00:33:56.240
What makes these tracks suspicious?
00:33:56.480 --> 00:33:57.119
Do we know?
00:33:57.359 --> 00:34:01.759
It's just there's no road, it's just like in a in a place that like there shouldn't be, basically.
00:34:02.079 --> 00:34:04.160
And there's no and there's no truck in sight.
00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:09.840
They just see because of the blue truck that got fired into, and then the other.
00:34:10.400 --> 00:34:10.559
Yeah.
00:34:10.719 --> 00:34:11.039
Sorry.
00:34:11.599 --> 00:34:12.320
Okay, sorry.
00:34:13.599 --> 00:34:17.360
Colin nears the cabin, and this is when the shootout begins.
00:34:17.679 --> 00:34:21.440
Collins was looking down when the shots were fired.
00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:31.119
A bullet went through his face on the under his eye, through the roof of his mouth, out his jaw, and hit his shoulder vest.
00:34:31.519 --> 00:34:32.800
The bullet was lodged right there.
00:34:33.039 --> 00:34:33.679
Wow.
00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:35.679
He was also shot.
00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:36.960
That's wild.
00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:37.280
Yes.
00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:38.079
Crazy.
00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:43.840
He was shot in the left forearm, hit below the left knee, and his right hand.
00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:47.119
Deputy is immediately returned fire.
00:34:47.519 --> 00:34:50.559
Officer Jeremiah McKay is also shot.
00:34:51.039 --> 00:34:56.079
So SWAT devises a plan to throw smoke canisters in front of them.
00:34:56.320 --> 00:34:56.639
Okay.
00:34:57.519 --> 00:35:00.000
Officer Larry Lopez grabbed McKay.
00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:02.480
Officer Danny Rosa grabbed Collins.
00:35:02.639 --> 00:35:04.320
There was a nearby helicopter.
00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:06.719
They take both men to Loma Linda.
00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:07.440
Okay.
00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:12.400
Officers are now losing sunlight and there's a snowstorm.
00:35:12.559 --> 00:35:13.519
Oh shit.
00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:20.400
Officers bring in a police tractor, which begins tearing the cabin, the walls of the cabin.
00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:25.840
I also want to add um just throw out there like luckily the owners of this house were not there.
00:35:26.079 --> 00:35:26.239
Yeah.
00:35:26.480 --> 00:35:28.079
They were, however, watching live.
00:35:28.559 --> 00:35:29.440
Somewhere aware of saying that.
00:35:29.679 --> 00:35:39.840
Someone called like this, like one of the his parents owned it, and he was like, my mom called me and was like, that the cabin's on TV, and they're just watching all of this happen in their home.
00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:40.639
I can't imagine.
00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:41.119
Yeah.
00:35:41.360 --> 00:35:47.360
So the tractor begins tearing out portions of the cabin in an attempt to find him, expose his his location.
00:35:47.519 --> 00:35:48.639
They don't see him.
00:35:49.199 --> 00:35:51.920
They throw conventional tear gas.
00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:53.519
That also doesn't work.
00:35:54.239 --> 00:35:59.039
So then they use pyrotechnic tear gas canisters, sometimes referred to as burners.
00:35:59.360 --> 00:35:59.679
Okay.
00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:02.079
Because they generate heat and can combust.
00:36:03.280 --> 00:36:09.440
Their intention was not to just burn this house down, but they did know that this was a risk.
00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:11.280
And they were willing to take it.
00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:17.760
They throw in the burner, house catches fire, and then they hear a single gunshot.
00:36:18.079 --> 00:36:18.800
Oh no.
00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:23.039
Dorner took his life with a shot to the head.
00:36:23.199 --> 00:36:25.760
It was confirmed it was him through dental records.
00:36:27.199 --> 00:36:31.039
I mean, obviously we know it's him, but you've got to confirm because who knows if he staged it.
00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:31.760
Right, right.
00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:32.320
You never know.
00:36:32.480 --> 00:36:34.559
I mean, he he went as far as to write a manifesto.
00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:35.840
Yeah.
00:36:36.159 --> 00:36:39.840
Over in La Melinda, Officer Jeremiah McKay passes away.
00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:45.599
He was 35 years old and was with the San Jordino Police Department for 15 years.
00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:48.320
Detective Alan Collins survived.
00:36:48.639 --> 00:36:54.559
He had suffered multiple injuries, has had multiple surgeries, still to this day is having surgeries.
00:36:54.800 --> 00:36:55.039
Wow.
00:36:55.199 --> 00:36:55.519
Oh my god.
00:36:55.679 --> 00:36:57.679
Yeah, and has had multiple bone graphs.
00:36:57.920 --> 00:36:59.199
That's intense.
00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:00.159
Yeah.
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:04.880
Collins is currently stationed in Yukaipa, which was McKay's station.
00:37:05.119 --> 00:37:05.440
Oh.
00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:13.039
And there's a plaque for McKay in the station, and they named the street heading to the station after him.
00:37:13.440 --> 00:37:13.760
Okay.
00:37:14.159 --> 00:37:14.800
Yeah.
00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:20.559
Um, whether you believe like we're not, no one's gonna say that this was justified.
00:37:20.880 --> 00:37:21.039
Right.
00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:27.199
I mean, you can debate whether he had reason to be upset.
00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:27.760
Yeah.
00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:31.679
But regardless, these victims had nothing to do with it.
00:37:31.840 --> 00:37:32.159
For sure.
00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:34.639
He didn't go after the people who who harmed him.
00:37:34.719 --> 00:37:36.000
He went after their family.
00:37:36.239 --> 00:37:36.480
Yes.
00:37:36.559 --> 00:37:36.719
Yes.
00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:38.239
And anyone in a uniform.
00:37:38.480 --> 00:37:39.119
Right.
00:37:39.840 --> 00:37:40.320
Yeah.
00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:49.280
Um, also, I should have mentioned earlier too, but like during this manhunt, like obviously hindsight's 2020, and giving him in the mountains would make sense.
00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:53.840
But at that time, too, was the funeral for the Riverside officer.
00:37:54.320 --> 00:37:59.519
So it was extra high alert in that area because that place is gonna be filled with officers.
00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:00.400
Yeah.
00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:02.719
So they fully expected him to be in Riverside.
00:38:02.960 --> 00:38:03.920
Oh, that's terrifying.
00:38:04.239 --> 00:38:04.880
Yeah.
00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:07.039
So yeah, it's all I got.
00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:10.639
It's always a lot of things.
00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:11.920
It's a busy one.
00:38:12.079 --> 00:38:12.400
Yeah.
00:38:12.559 --> 00:38:13.199
Yeah.
00:38:13.760 --> 00:38:14.800
Lots going on there.
00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:15.599
Yeah.
00:38:16.480 --> 00:38:22.159
I remember all of it very well because when this was going on, I was I was following it very closely.
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:22.960
Like, yeah.
00:38:23.199 --> 00:38:26.400
I was news radio in my car when I was driving.
00:38:26.480 --> 00:38:28.880
Like, that's all my TV was playing.
00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:30.719
Yeah.
00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:33.360
It's so literally so close to home.
00:38:33.679 --> 00:38:34.320
All over.
00:38:34.559 --> 00:38:36.000
I remember all over.
00:38:36.239 --> 00:38:37.360
I don't remember any of this.
00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:37.920
This is crazy.
00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:38.719
It's crazy.
00:38:38.960 --> 00:38:43.039
I remember like it happening, but I don't remember like a lot about it.
00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:56.000
I don't know if I was like at work or like what was going on when it was happening, but I was definitely like not somewhere where I was like able to like sit and watch the I I was driving during the shootout and I pulled over.
00:38:56.320 --> 00:38:58.960
I didn't want to get out of the car and miss anything that happened.
00:38:59.119 --> 00:38:59.199
Yeah.
00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:00.559
This was 2013.
00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:01.280
Yes.
00:39:01.519 --> 00:39:02.000
Oh well.
00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:04.239
I was living in like Steel Beach then.
00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:04.559
Yeah.
00:39:04.719 --> 00:39:04.960
Yeah.
00:39:05.199 --> 00:39:06.960
I don't remember this at all.
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:08.079
Wow, that's crazy.
00:39:08.239 --> 00:39:08.559
Yeah.
00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:10.400
I was obsessed for this whole week.
00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:12.480
I mean, I could yeah.
00:39:12.639 --> 00:39:14.239
That's all I did was listen.
00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:16.719
Check, check the uh no, I haven't.
00:39:16.880 --> 00:39:18.159
I'm like, Zoe was so little.
00:39:18.320 --> 00:39:18.719
She was too.
00:39:20.480 --> 00:39:22.719
I didn't give up to nothing else.
00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:22.960
Yeah.
00:39:23.119 --> 00:39:23.360
Right.
00:39:23.519 --> 00:39:23.679
Yeah.
00:39:23.920 --> 00:39:25.599
That's all was going on in my life.
00:39:25.840 --> 00:39:26.719
So yeah.
00:39:27.199 --> 00:39:27.679
Turner.
00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:29.039
Oh gosh.
00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:30.559
Yeah, that's wild.
00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:31.360
It's a wild.
00:39:31.599 --> 00:39:31.760
Yeah.
00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:32.480
It is.
00:39:32.719 --> 00:39:35.760
I will link the manifesto if anyone wants to read it.
00:39:36.159 --> 00:39:37.360
I'm sure it's in multiple places.
00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:40.239
I'm just gonna link the site that I used.
00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:40.639
Okay.
00:39:41.039 --> 00:39:44.960
I literally thought you were going to say that he held that couple there and read them, his manual.
00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:48.000
And I was like, 16 pages.
00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:50.480
19 pages.
00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:51.119
Yeah.
00:39:51.360 --> 00:39:52.239
Front and back.
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:53.360
Front and back.
00:39:53.920 --> 00:39:55.360
Of course they didn't fall asleep.
00:39:55.519 --> 00:39:57.440
Also, are bumblebees happy?
00:39:57.599 --> 00:39:57.840
Like that.
00:39:58.079 --> 00:39:58.480
I don't know.
00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:01.599
They're buzzing around.
00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:03.920
I'm not gonna lie, it kind of seemed like you're in a bad mood.
00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:06.480
When I watched the documentary and he said it, I I laughed.
00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:06.800
I don't know.
00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:12.639
Have you ever watched a nature documentary and then bees are just laying in flowers and taking naps and stuff?
00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:13.360
I don't know.
00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:14.880
They always just seem angry.
00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:15.360
No.
00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:16.639
No, only some bees.
00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:17.679
Bothered.
00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:19.119
Wasps are busy.
00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:21.039
They're busy bees, yeah.
00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:22.079
Busy, busy bees.
00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:22.960
We're busy being happy.
00:40:23.119 --> 00:40:25.440
When I'm busy, I'm usually not in a good mood.
00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:26.880
Yeah, me neither.
00:40:27.039 --> 00:40:27.760
I'm really rude.
00:40:27.920 --> 00:40:31.599
You guys have a little theme song that you hum like a wheel.
00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:37.760
Yeah.
00:40:38.719 --> 00:40:39.679
That would piss me off more.
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You will absolutely hear it at work at least once.
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And I will tell you this, and I have said it before.
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I don't even remember how it goes until I'm really busy and I'm trying to just.
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Ah, you're welcome.
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ADHD.
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ADH Brie.
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ADH Brie.
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Okay.
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Are we ready to close the tab on tonight's case and Joey's apples?
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Yeah, on Joey's apples.
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I'll wait.
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Well, till next time.
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Don't get sick.
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And cheers to all the victims.
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Cheers to all the victims that have survived and passed.
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I can't believe that.