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How can something that's growing within you not rely on good nutrition and building great fundamentals as you're developing your baby?
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What do you think are the top ways to biohack?
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Meditation.
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Like this discourse in our mind, any other person in our life, we would fire.
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Getting comfortable with that inner voice or having a way to switch off from it.
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It's just a prerogative on all of us to do that.
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I think there's two types of biohackers in this world.
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I think there's the type who are very numbers driven, but that's also very expensive.
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And what I love about your take is that the things you're saying are free.
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When we are following our purpose, our intuition, where we should be going, we're rewarded by the universe.
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Welcome to Selfdom Beautiful Humans.
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I'm Dominika Lisa, your host, and I'm so grateful you are here.
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Selfdom is a safe space for meaningful conversations around wellness, nutrition, personal growth, and becoming the best version of you.
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Welcome back to Selfdom Beautiful Humans.
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On today's episode, I get to speak to Radic Sali.
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Radic is a CEO, entrepreneur, and an investor in some of our favorite companies like The Beauty Chef and Loco Love.
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On this episode, we chat about how he built Swiss vitamins, what he's seen change in the wellness space, his definition of biohacking, and what it really means to live well.
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This episode is filled with so many tips and tricks to become the best version of you.
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Now, enjoy the episode.
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Welcome to Selfdom, Raddick.
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Oh, so lovely to be here.
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Last time I saw you was at the Whalespring event, October 2025.
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You hosted, let's say, a wellness festival, probably the first of its kind in Australia.
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Yeah.
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Let's dive straight into that.
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How did you even manage to bring the world's best biohacking experts into the country?
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How did this idea even start?
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Yeah, it's amazing how timing is everything.
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And a concept like that five years ago would have fallen flat.
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But to have 2,000 people pay over $300 a ticket to come in and learn about the latest in science and wellness and hear from doctors and practitioners that are rock stars in their industry.
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But, you know, to see that transpire in a much broader audience was just...
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Really exciting for me, my family.
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My father's a professor of surgery.
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Back in the 70s, he was one of the first people to talk about diet causing disease in traditional circles, medical circles.
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He was laughed at for 20-odd years.
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And he'd do...
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around meditation and what that meant for people's wellness, their mindset.
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So, yeah, really different stuff.
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And it was pretty hard for him.
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He'd come home and he'd lecture to me about his frustrations.
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And finally his work 20 years later got published because people thought, you know,
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a bit of movement or a bit of diet, what would that do for disease?
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But now we know such differently.
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So, yeah, we got dad along to that event.
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He's 85, turning 86 in October, still sees patients full time and just loves the service in giving back to people and has lived a life of that.
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um and so yeah that was Disneyland for him and sort of to bring that to life and and to to see that and to share that with him he can't wait for the next one we're going to do one this year but uh the war started and uh interest rates increases it was just too uncertain a time to bring that much talent to Australia 60 odd different uh presenters um so yeah so we're on next year definitely Wellspring's back and we would love to have you along again
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Oh, my God.
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Yeah, I'll bring little bub.
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Maybe I'll do a mums and bubs session for everyone.
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Sounds brilliant.
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I want to talk about your dad.
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He's obviously been a huge role model in your life.
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What was it like growing up with a dad who's ahead of the trends when it comes to wellness?
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Yeah, I mean, he always would say that to make a difference, you need to think differently.
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And he is the epitome of that.
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He came from Shepparton.
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His family were...
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tomato pickers, he would do that himself.
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And his parents were Albanian refugees.
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And so it was incredibly difficult upbringing for him.
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And a lot of people saying to him that he couldn't do what he wanted to do from Shepparton High and study medicine.
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But things came together and he was able to do that.
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And he was top of his university class in the first cohort of Monash University doctors.
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If Monash hadn't opened a medical school that year,
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when he wanted to do medicine, he probably wouldn't have done medicine because there was only one school.
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And so, yeah, so he's always kind of looked at the whole modality, not just the fix-it side, not just the reactive side, which is what a lot of medicine has been built around.
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And modern medicine has been very effective in dealing with that.
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But the combination of both this kind of integrative approach or functional medical approach where we're thinking about the markers for health in preventing disease or making us as healthy as possible to deal with whatever condition we're facing.
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Dad really led that thinking.
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And my mum's a medical scientist, so she would test the blood of my dad's patient, check their nutrition and make sure they had the best possible nutrition.
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And so she would cook extraordinarily healthy.
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I didn't appreciate it as much as I should have back then.
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But, you know, every day was a pandemic in our house.
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We would speak about health.
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every day and it was the most important topic.
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So yeah, so a lot of my training came from this professor who was frustrated and lecturing to me every day and it gave me a beautiful basis for life and what came next.
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You said it took 20 years for his work to get published.
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What was in this work
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you know, how did he find the strength to keep fighting against the conventional medicine standards?
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I think that if you've come from a background where you've had to fight for everything you have or you kind of built this level of resilience that is beyond kind of the comfort that say, I live in today, I think you're just geared for that.
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That's what you want to do and that's your kind of normal modus operandi.
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So, yeah, so his work was all around diet and it's –
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being a precursor for chronic diseases.
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So when he first suggested that someone that had a heart attack that was overweight, that perhaps diet had some kind of cause or reason for that happening, he was laughed at by the same doctors that were standing around that patient doing a round.
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And so it just didn't intuitively make sense to him.
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So he went further and further.
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And then when you go down the path of diet, then there's the mind part.
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And our mind decides what we put in our mouth.
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So he did a lot of research around meditation and our mindset.
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And then why we would do things that we knew wouldn't feel good or weren't the right thing to do while you're dealing with a chronic disease or so forth.
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So, yeah, so it was always about this kind of outcome.
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I'm not sure if you're familiar with the Life Be In It program.
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There was like lunches for schools and there was this guy, Norm, that was kind of an obese cartoon character.
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And it was when government started talking about diet and Dad was the main advisor on that program and what diets people should be having.
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I remember he would be on TV and he would talk about green bananas and how they had prebiotic qualities.
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And this is when I was like a 10-year-old and I have friends at school coming in.
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Oh, green bananas, who's going to eat those?
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But, you know, now we talk about prebiotics, we all know what that means.
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It's fibre, it's creating good flora in our stomach.
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And so, yeah, all these terms that have become, you know, common and for us, you know, to know that things like...
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things like fish is good for us, things like eating well in moderation.
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All these things were terms that weren't thinking about meditation being good for us.
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So when the norm isn't that, you build a lot of resilience and you have to follow your truth.
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And that's something dad's always done.
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And he obviously was very intuitive.
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I mean, anyone I think who listens to this podcast is relatively healthy and aware that when they eat better, they feel better.
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And I guess to us, it feels crazy that the medical, you know, back then didn't see the correlation.
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I mean, or, you know, even now you go into a doctor's office and I've spoken about a lot on the podcast that during my pregnancy, diet's not been spoken about at all in any of my meetings.
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Well, I can believe it knowing what I know, but it's unbelievable.
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Yeah, and it is unbelievable.
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But then I've also heard you do, as a doctor, maybe...
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a week of training when it comes to nutrition?
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Like not much.
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Are we seeing a change in that?
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Well, that week's changed.
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And I know that I did this 15 years ago.
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I called every medical school in the country to find out exactly what they did in diet and nutrition.
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Monash had started a semester of diet and nutrition.
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But it was very kind of peripheral.
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I'm not sure where it is today, but you've got to remember there's generations now of doctors that don't have this training.
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And we also need a modality of specialty in it.
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And whilst we have naturopaths who are extremely helpful and the best supporters for dad's patients because they spend time with his patients and anyone that has cancer,
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He finds that just the care, and this is part of a recovery journey, is having that level of care is important.
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So, yeah, so these medical schools have to change.
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And I think that once we get a specialty, like in the US, of functional medicine or integrative medicine, then I think attitudes will change entirely.
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And as we're seeing so much more, we can measure biomarkers, we can see nutrition change.
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How can something that's growing within you not rely on good nutrition that you're eating and building great fundamentals as you're developing your baby?
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And I think also like on the other side, you know, I saw my mum get really sick and she was healthy.
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She did the right thing.
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That's right.
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And sometimes...
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You can do the right things and you can still get sick.
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Exactly.
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So it's just such a wild space and I think if you don't put too much pressure on it and you do your best to look after yourself every single day, that's the real sweet spot.
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And that's why not one modality is right over the other.
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Exactly.
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It's the combination of all.
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And we're all very unique in how we present.
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Whilst we have gender that...
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defines us differently, but we also have different ways we think, different ways that we kind of make choices in our lives, different DNA, different biology, different upbringings.
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All of these things come into play.
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And so...
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Picking from the medallia of everything is much better than just picking one point of view.
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So just as you're doing, you're getting a level of service from your doctor that will deliver you a great outcome in making sure that the baby is delivered healthily and safely with the process of giving birth.
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But, you know, the nutrition and so forth, you're going out and learning and you're going out and getting other inputs and outputs that, you know, make sense for you and integrating into a program that makes you feel right.
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And, you know, listening to your intuition, listening to your gut and listening to how you really feel.
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And you've got the headspace for that.
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You're a natural meditator who's working on your consciousness all the time.
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So you're very aware of these changes.
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But, you know, unfortunately, not all of us have that in our lives.
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Yeah.
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Definitely.
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Well, I'd love to touch on how you built Swiss.
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I think obviously now learning about your upbringing, learning about your understanding of wellness from such a young age, and then going into the vitamin business.
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You really built the vitamin business.
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I think that's the thing.
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You were speaking on a podcast I was listening to and you said when you entered this space, it was very much for the, let me quote you, hairy hippies.
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But now it seems that every person on Instagram, you better be having supplements every day, every morning, every night.
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What was it like when you entered this space?
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What are your thoughts on supplementation?
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I have so many questions.
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Well, you can blame us for all those influences because we were the first brand that had an influencer representing us.
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It was Sonia Kruger and she was on Dancing with the Stars and she was the host of that program.
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And that came up because I was watching TV with mum and I said, what do you like watching?
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She's Dancing with the Stars.
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There was three million people watching that.
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And there was Sonia Cruz.
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She was just this light, shining example of health and in complete command of her senses and, you know, rolling with the program and just making great commentary.
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And I connected with her and asked her if she took supplements.
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And she did.
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And so she decided to deal with us at a time when no one was really...
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are promoting supplements in that way and the reason why i'd come from that background is i'd worked at village cinemas where we had new product every week and and people were really interested in what i was doing and so forth i'd go to barbecues and you you know what's the next brad pitt movie or whatever else was coming out um can you tell us more about it um drew barrymore we got to bring her out for wanderlust so that was fun
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And so you're the centre of great conversation.
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When I started in supplements and I said I would work at Swiss, people would say, what, the agency?
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That's not the agency, the embassy.
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Or, you know, they would say, you know, occasionally, you know, they'd go vitamins and I'd see them sort of roll their eyes because all of the brands are the hairy hippie or they would be talking about irritable bowel syndrome and...
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or urinary tract infections, UTIs.
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They were really worried I'd start talking about whether they have one or not.
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So they'd change the subject.
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Occasionally one would say they'd have Rob D. Costello and liked him and they would have Centrum as a result.
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And I went, oh, there's something more in that.
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We can probably do better.
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And take that up a level, even though Rob Decker said was a great ambassador for health.
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We just felt we could bring that kind of aspirational nature of what kind of, you know, the other parts of the store, like cosmetics and perfumes where they had these great personalities talking about health.
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you know, what helped them be beautiful.
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When what could be more beautiful than supporting people's wellness journey and changing that conversation around just the scientific effects to it being aspirational and kind of about lifestyle and bringing out the best in people.
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So, yeah, Sonia was one of our first ambassadors and that created the kind of we did, and I knew we were doing something strange because unique because Channel 7 was like, you can't,
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do this you don't do that with talent we don't advertise in lifestyle programs with talent oh that's the best way to advertise because then it's people that are watching that show will really be interested in in seeing it so there's a whole story of how that sort of played out but yeah we went on and did the same with block contestants and so forth and so yeah that's why block uh contestants are now ambassadors for everything we opened up the whole market and and and this was uh you know over 20 years ago now so it was a long time ago
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Yeah, but I think as well Swiss is a brand that had quality.
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It wasn't just about, you know, selling to every single person.
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You're all over it.
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Yeah, well, I think as well it's just played such a role in how you've created all the other businesses, how you've done Light Warrior, how you've invested in a lot of companies that are doing really good things.
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consumerism.
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I'd love to talk about that because obviously you hear about successful businesses and I know I grew up where my parents would be like, money doesn't grow on trees and this, and you have these weird money mindsets.
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But then you also want to be successful, but then you don't want to,
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damage the earth like there's just so many things that pop up in my mind is that something you struggled with yeah on the swiss thing you had a really good point the the reason why we could market like we could market was the fact we had the highest retention of any brand in the category so when people took it they noticed the difference and so you'd confidently market the product and do what we did the crazy and and invest like we did in new customers because we knew we'd retain them
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which goes back to this kind of consumerism part.
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I mean, we were all carbon neutral from very early on, probably I think it was 2007 when they first started coming out with the kind of position of thinking about your packaging, your footprint and kind of what we're doing to the earth.
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So that was really important to us.
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an exceptional place to work in.
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So we were, you know, a best place to work many times over.
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And Swiss to this day is still a best place to work.
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The culture was so ingrained that it was never going to change no matter who owned it, even though we sold it 10 years ago to an overseas international.
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and conscious leadership is a wrestle.
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But I look at it that our version of capitalism and democracy is kind of better than the next best version.
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And I think that we can work on it and improve it and we can have these conversations and talk to ways on how we get better at it rather than...
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ignore it and it not be a conversation point and the focus just being on profit.
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So that might be dictatorial and a capitalist approach.
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So it's an interesting balance.
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I think starting from a place of choosing to do the right thing, people see that in your purpose, see that in your authenticity.
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And you can't really play in the wellness space unless you are truly that through and through.
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So yeah, we're a B Corp. We use glass packaging.
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And then we also make sure that our environment is the best place for people because that's what we can do as leaders is if we want, you know, people.
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And that's the story.
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And that's why you need to do these things authentically because people, you know, they deeply care about it.
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these things and and it makes complete sense it binds our community so that is what i me as the leader i see is that rather than getting fed up with politics not going in the right direction is leading with actions and letting those actions lead to success and then other people going oh maybe you can get there by by being focused on on doing the right thing first we created the
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I sold that a year ago, it took 10 years to build.
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And, you know, we're one of the biggest providers of disability housing, affordable housing, solar, land regeneration and so forth.
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And we made that into a fund that, you know, could do more of this and give returns.
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So if you point our system in the right direction, it can solve some of the biggest issues that we face.
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I think that's a really positive outlook as well on business.
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And it's inspiring for anyone listening who, you know, wants to do something, but they're scared to start because it was like, it already exists.
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Oh, they're doing it like that.
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And I think one thing I struggle with is as the economy is sitting how it is and interest rates, how you're saying the war, like all these moving pieces, do people start looking for ways to cut costs, right?
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Do businesses start to look at ways to cut costs that impact the environment?
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Or even as a consumer, do I stop caring about the planet as much because it's cheaper to buy fast fashion?
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I'd love to know some tips that you would give to anyone listening who wants to be a more conscious consumer.
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You're right on the antithesis of what is happening.
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And I think that's because we're politicising a lot of this, which is so wrong.
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Really, it shouldn't be a political issue whether we're damaging the planet with these sorts of things.
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you know, pollutants or sprays or pollution in the air.
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Like there's just so many things that, you know, or deforestation and we've got to find balance.
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This is our one place, our one home, connection with nature.
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We are nature.
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disconnect from that, it becomes easier to say these things and not care like we should.
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And it just frustrates me so much.
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And politics, when it's come together to solve a lot of these issues, it can.
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I go back to an example of the ozone layer and, you know, the CFC gases.
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That was a global issue.
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We were going to lose the ozone layer if we didn't stop producing spray cans with CFCs in it.
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The world got together because we were at a tipping point and they all got together and they all signed an agreement that they would no longer use CFC.
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If we can work with it, nature has a wonderful way of regenerating, just like our bodies over its lifespan.
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It will regenerate.
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Earth's been here for millions of years.
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um that earth's been around for and so our our time here is precious and we we're a custodian of this planet um but ultimately nature will decide and if we don't work with it it will um continue uh to to call us out and give us warnings but those warnings will get persistency larger so so yeah for me it's
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working this system and bringing people on this journey, not in a way of creating fear, but just creating that there are better ways.
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Like for instance, our omega-3, we use an algae oil rather than a fish-based oil because fish really should be eaten if we're going to fish them out of the sea.
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The algae is, it's a...
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it's naturally eaten by fish, it's plant, it's seaweed, and you can grow it in large scale as well.
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And it sequests carbon from the atmosphere, cools our planet, and it creates this wonderful ingredient, omega-3, which is really important for our brain health and fighting inflammation throughout the body.
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So you can choose better ingredients.
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You're right, it's a bit more expensive.
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the less expensive it's going to be because scale creates efficiency.
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So if we all get behind these initiatives that make our planet better, we create scale and make it more affordable and more accessible, just like with renewable energies and so forth.
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Once we get to scale, they don't cost anything.
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Once they're up and going, it's just the initial capital investment.
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I'm just going to clarify, you're talking about algae and your Wanderlust supplement.
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We're not in Swiss anymore.
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So you started Wanderlust, you left Swiss quite a while ago, but then you created Wanderlust.
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Yeah, so that was 10 years ago that I left Swiss, over 10 years.
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And it was the right time for me to move on.
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You know, this is the thing.
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We go through growth, maintenance and destruction.
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That's nature.
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And that's our own cycles and that's all of our relationships in our lives and also our relationships with business.
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And I'd gone through the whole growth cycle.
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time at Swiss, a maintenance mode while we're trying to sell it.
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And then it was time to get out.
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It was time for me to move on.
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The business has got bigger and broader than, you know, I could ever keep up with.
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I was three weeks on a plane every month.
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I didn't know all the names of everyone, which, you know, I truly loved and their backgrounds.
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I just couldn't keep up.
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So it was time to have a break and think about what was next after, after getting off the wild ride that was Swiss.
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And so, yeah, Wanderlust was a festival that we wanted to bring to Australia.
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We brought the colour run out when I was at Swiss and that was hugely successful.
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We had 250,000 people doing that.
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I was so worried.
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And every dollar that we raised from that went to charity, which was wonderful.
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And so I was so worried about that burning out as a fad.
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I was looking for the next thing and the music to yoga and these wellness festivals was what Wanderlust was doing.
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And so I got to know the founders.
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They'd done a licensing deal in Australia.
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And so lucky we didn't buy it as Swiss because in 2007,
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2018, three years after I kind of got out of the day-to-day Swiss, I kind of got the idea of, if I'm going to go back to supplements, I need to do it entirely differently.
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And I thought, wonder what?
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That's a beautiful brand.
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It has already this great heritage in yoga and movement.
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And the fundamentals of Ayurvedic medicine are, you know, yoga,
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meditation and nutrition.
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So yeah, so that kind of platform for me made a lot of sense in having the events in this day of content being really, really important.
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But the events on their own weren't working.
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There was 50 events around the world and whilst it was the biggest wellness festival globally
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It just would struggle to make money.
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So it had 50 million US invested in it by pro equity.
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And so, yeah, I'd got to know the guys and the timing was right to buy that business and turn it into not only an events business but...
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a supplements business and also have content play through commune.
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So the other founder of wellness started commune, Jeff Grasno and Sean Hess was the two founders.
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And Jeff had started commune because he was trying to start that within...
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Wanderlust, but it, it, it, private equity just wanted to focus on events.
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So he went and created Commune.
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I became the second largest shareholder in that.
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And so that's this amazing platform for wellness and, and has all these amazing luminaries sharing the art form.
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We've got Naomi Watts doing a documentary at the moment.
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We've just launched with her female longevity team and, and kind of helping with
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uh, with, with ladies in menopause and, and, and, and, and enjoying sex beyond, uh, the change.
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So, um, so, so yeah, these are the sorts of topics we get into and we have a kind of a new, um, uh, topic each kind of quarter.
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And that's a really exciting business.
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So you've got this digital platform that people can go to and learn more from after they experience it, a live event.
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So we're touring Naomi and her team in the US.
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Maybe we'll do that in Australia.
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And hence the platform of why we've got Jay Shetty coming out in November.
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And we've got Diva Prima and Mitton who are doing Kirtan.
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Have you done Kirtan?
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Katana is incredible.
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That is like the best form of meditation.
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I can't wait.
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It's like two hours of chanting mantras and singing to it.
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And so Mitten was in Fleetwood Mac and he was the lead guitarist in Fleetwood Mac.
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They've won Grammy Awards.
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And so they're the ultimate in kind of Sanskrit music.
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So, yeah, have a listen to Diva Primal and Mitten.
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So they're coming out in November as well, October, I should say.
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And so, yeah, this event platform, then the nutrition as well to go with it through Wunderlust.
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We've got the Beauty Chef as well and then Local Love as well.
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All great supplements to creating better wellness and healthier alternatives to those unhealthy snacks that we can all be tempted by occasionally.
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I think one of my favorite things about Wanderlust and all the different pillars you have is that you bring together things that maybe sound unconventional to the naked eye.
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You know, when you brought Pam Anderson out, you know, people aren't – I don't associate her with wellness, right?
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But then you bring her out, it brings the audience, and I guess it goes back to –
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Your whole thing with the influences, right?
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You know, you know what sells.
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But I'm so excited for Jay Shady to get here in November.
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He's the reason I started my podcast.
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He's helped me through so much of my life.
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I got the honour of meeting him when he was here last time touring.
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He's just such an amazing, kind man.
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So, yeah, I just think what you guys are doing in this space is incredible.
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And one of the things I loved about Wellspring, which I know is different to when you bring a star out, but...
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You get to try different healing modalities and you get to see what works for you.
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So I got to do Yoga Nidra for the first time.
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Isn't it beautiful?
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Passed out in like five minutes.
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I've been an insomniac my entire life.
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Huberman's been going on and on about Yoga Nidra being his number one biohacking modality.
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Yeah, it's not the IV, it's not the this, it's something simple.
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I would love to talk about biohacking.
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Obviously, that is a massive space right now.
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Was that term...
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even around when you started at Swiss?
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No, but the term bio was and is.
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Bio means nature in French.
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So it's nature hacking.
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I like to think about it as using nature to hack your health.
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And so whilst people have different interpretations of it, biohack is nature's hack.
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So it's nature's goods.
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And that's why we have a Wanderlust biohacking brand is that all of nature's modality synthesised with science can help get us the best of outcomes.
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I think that...
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This goes back to us understanding now more about our bodies than we ever have.
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So being able to measure things like nutrition, understanding its impact and knowing that vitamin D is kind of fundamental and should be something that we all test for is fundamental to our health.
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We're outdoor plants.
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And if we don't get sunlight every day, we will die.
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There's no question of that.
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And my father's never seen a cancer patient with a normal vitamin D level.
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So making sure that these things are better known and people are knowing through exactly the types of people that we have speak at like a wellspring is becoming more and more common knowledge.
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And so, yeah, building on that platform excites us.
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Building on that knowledge and the accessibilities, delivering it with knowledge,
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various personalities, not the one type, like we always have back in the Swiss days.
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But in this day and age, we're doing an event program and then we deliver content.
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So we appeal to a wide scope of people because this message is important.
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This message is important that we can take control of our health and do everything we can.
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Yes, there is a lot up there to the kind of random, but when you are doing that, it just feels so much better.
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to to do the right thing by our bodies we feel better we feel mentally better that voice in our head isn't as as incessant as it could be if we're not uh practicing um you know if we if we're not practicing these kind of choices to do the right thing by ourselves what do you think are the top ways to biohack then
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Yeah, good one.
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I think number one is meditation.
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00:33:52.532 --> 00:33:58.098
Like this discourse in our mind, any other person in our life, we would fire.
413
00:33:58.759 --> 00:34:02.723
It's the one person that tells you you're feeling tired today, you're not going to nail this.
414
00:34:03.284 --> 00:34:05.105
It's the one person that's at you like, come on.
415
00:34:05.986 --> 00:34:13.448
you're talking rubbish here or you're distracted and you're not taking in the most important moment in front of you, which is the here and now.
416
00:34:13.508 --> 00:34:20.809
So getting comfortable with that inner voice or having a way to switch off from it, it's just a prerogative on all of us to do that.
417
00:34:21.089 --> 00:34:25.910
And it doesn't have to be a, you know, you should look forward to the form of meditation you choose.
418
00:34:26.290 --> 00:34:28.991
We were just talking about your husband's love for Padale.
419
00:34:29.011 --> 00:34:30.211
That's a form of meditation.
420
00:34:30.391 --> 00:34:31.992
Yeah, he's getting away.
421
00:34:32.133 --> 00:34:32.533
Exactly.
422
00:34:32.573 --> 00:34:33.454
He's getting away.
423
00:34:33.734 --> 00:34:34.495
That's his rhythm.
424
00:34:34.515 --> 00:34:41.361
That's his ability to calm the mind and stop that voice because that voice is what causes so much stress.
425
00:34:42.081 --> 00:34:49.267
And so us having, you know, something we look forward to, I'd do 20 minutes twice per day and sometimes 30 minutes if I can get away with more.
426
00:34:49.868 --> 00:34:55.473
And it's just the thing I look forward to most is just having that quiet time and catching back up.
427
00:34:55.853 --> 00:35:00.997
I love having a sauna and an ice bath, but the most important thing is to do it with someone else.
428
00:35:01.317 --> 00:35:13.306
Don't do it by yourself so you have a good chat, vent, talk, express gratitude for one another or some friends in your life and talk about your stresses, unwinding, venting.
429
00:35:14.647 --> 00:35:17.189
If you're having a cup of tea or a coffee, don't do it by yourself.
430
00:35:17.209 --> 00:35:18.129
Do it with someone else.
431
00:35:19.030 --> 00:35:20.551
If you are by yourself, journal.
432
00:35:21.312 --> 00:35:21.532
Yeah.
433
00:35:22.032 --> 00:35:23.414
put things down in writing.
434
00:35:23.474 --> 00:35:24.935
So you are unloading.
435
00:35:25.235 --> 00:35:26.336
Dad calls it unloading.
436
00:35:27.458 --> 00:35:35.465
And again, this kind of Mediterranean culture, this is why a lot of the blue zones are in the Mediterranean zone is because this is the fundamentals.
437
00:35:35.485 --> 00:35:37.988
You catch up over a meal and you talk together.
438
00:35:38.768 --> 00:35:40.129
You do everything in moderation.
439
00:35:40.149 --> 00:35:45.412
And if you're having a cup of coffee or tea, you're doing with others and you're having a good chat.
440
00:35:45.432 --> 00:35:51.775
So these might not be the kind of things that are the cutting edge of science, but they are just so important.
441
00:35:51.855 --> 00:36:03.802
Exercise, good nutrition, vitamin D, through to having nutrition that manages stress, whether it be omega-3s for inflammation, whether it be antioxidants to help us deal with
442
00:36:04.502 --> 00:36:08.003
our stress levels, like ashwagandha does.
443
00:36:08.063 --> 00:36:11.784
So all of these things are really, really important to choose from.
444
00:36:12.124 --> 00:36:17.765
But again, you know, coming back to how you feel and your mindset being number one.
445
00:36:18.325 --> 00:36:22.046
It's really interesting because I agree with everything that you're saying.
446
00:36:22.566 --> 00:36:27.067
But then, you know, Brian Johnson, who spends $2 million a year on his house.
447
00:36:27.107 --> 00:36:27.747
Poor Brian.
448
00:36:28.727 --> 00:36:37.632
But he walks around with an umbrella all the time, no vitamin D. I actually listened to a podcast where he said he doesn't really do anything for his mental health.
449
00:36:38.273 --> 00:36:44.776
So I doubt he's meditating and journaling because every moment of the day is measuring.
450
00:36:45.697 --> 00:36:47.337
I guess he's measuring instead of meditating.
451
00:36:47.858 --> 00:36:53.000
And it's really interesting because I think there's two types of biohackers in this world.
452
00:36:53.040 --> 00:36:57.223
I think there's the type who are very numbers driven.
453
00:36:57.243 --> 00:36:57.343
Yeah.
454
00:36:58.250 --> 00:36:59.851
But that's also very expensive.
455
00:37:00.292 --> 00:37:10.259
And what I love about your take is that the things you're saying are free and accessible for every single person on this planet.
456
00:37:10.279 --> 00:37:18.465
So, you know, I think we're in a funny part of history right now where people are trying not to die or not to age and not to this.
457
00:37:18.926 --> 00:37:21.548
But when I think of the healthiest people in the world, I think of my nonna.
458
00:37:21.888 --> 00:37:22.328
She's 93.
459
00:37:22.368 --> 00:37:23.689
She gardens every day.
460
00:37:23.709 --> 00:37:24.650
She's out in the sun.
461
00:37:25.070 --> 00:37:26.271
She has a cookie every day.
462
00:37:26.311 --> 00:37:26.732
Like she...
463
00:37:27.412 --> 00:37:28.654
She's living, you know.
464
00:37:28.674 --> 00:37:30.896
So I don't know.
465
00:37:31.016 --> 00:37:38.985
I guess what's your take on these kind of extreme people who are doing these extreme things to go against nature?
466
00:37:39.426 --> 00:37:40.467
Yeah.
467
00:37:40.487 --> 00:37:43.770
So, yeah, I feel for Brian.
468
00:37:44.311 --> 00:37:45.012
I think that...
469
00:37:46.373 --> 00:37:49.818
He does supplement with vitamin D, so hence how he balances it out.
470
00:37:49.838 --> 00:37:51.540
But he's worried about the UV rays.
471
00:37:51.921 --> 00:37:55.225
If it was to get up nice and early, you get the red light effect.
472
00:37:55.245 --> 00:37:59.330
So that's why it's really important to get sun first thing in the morning.
473
00:37:59.350 --> 00:38:02.134
That's when you're getting – you know how people are using red lights on their skin.
474
00:38:02.174 --> 00:38:03.916
I do that every night for my knees and my –
475
00:38:05.258 --> 00:38:11.145
for my face and my hair, keeping that healthy, and also my back.
476
00:38:11.486 --> 00:38:14.629
But if you just get up, you get that for free in the mornings.
477
00:38:15.290 --> 00:38:20.056
And it's so important to start with sunlight and have that circadian rhythm happening.
478
00:38:20.477 --> 00:38:21.338
But, yeah, Brian...
479
00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:25.862
I think that ultimately what he's doing is working for him.
480
00:38:26.403 --> 00:38:28.625
And this goes back to your personal journey.
481
00:38:29.045 --> 00:38:31.948
And really there isn't one way that's more right than the other.
482
00:38:32.408 --> 00:38:35.411
It's really what works for you that gets you inspired about your health.
483
00:38:35.431 --> 00:38:42.478
And I think deep down when I watched his documentary, he was pretty happy about it all because it kept him on his path of
484
00:38:43.058 --> 00:38:47.222
You know, whatever he was on beforehand, he felt directionless and didn't have purpose.
485
00:38:47.282 --> 00:38:48.323
It's given him purpose.
486
00:38:49.264 --> 00:38:53.888
And he did talk about this community part at the end and going on walks together with groups of people.
487
00:38:53.908 --> 00:38:57.531
So I think he might be slowly seeing the light of balancing that.
488
00:38:57.651 --> 00:38:58.552
And he got a girlfriend now.
489
00:38:58.572 --> 00:38:59.352
Yeah, got a girlfriend.
490
00:38:59.432 --> 00:39:00.173
Good Aussie girl.
491
00:39:00.233 --> 00:39:01.875
He stayed up past NPM once.
492
00:39:01.895 --> 00:39:02.535
Yeah, correct.
493
00:39:02.755 --> 00:39:03.616
Got wild.
494
00:39:04.157 --> 00:39:04.477
LAUGHTER
495
00:39:05.657 --> 00:39:12.540
So, you know, I think that, you know, we sometimes need extremes to pull back on other extremes of behaviour and find our middle.
496
00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:16.081
And so he's living a very public life on the other extreme.
497
00:39:16.361 --> 00:39:23.003
But probably he needs to do that to keep him on the straight and narrow, keep him focused and have that pressure of delivering that so he does do it.
498
00:39:23.623 --> 00:39:46.218
um so again it just comes down to what works for you and and you know this is what i've found works for me what i've what i've shared and this is why this is a wonderful world to explore this wellness thing because there is something for everyone even even your your husband he's got and he's meditating so you can find your rhythm in this and and do what you know is healthy for you do more of that
499
00:39:46.959 --> 00:39:47.119
Yeah.
500
00:39:47.139 --> 00:39:48.680
And your nonna sounds incredible.
501
00:39:48.720 --> 00:39:49.621
She's an iPhone.
502
00:39:49.781 --> 00:39:51.863
I think she's my next guest maybe.
503
00:39:51.883 --> 00:39:53.524
We're going to have her at Wellspring, hey?
504
00:39:53.805 --> 00:39:54.365
Bring her in.
505
00:39:54.826 --> 00:39:55.246
Literally.
506
00:39:55.266 --> 00:39:56.687
She loves it and she loves a chat.
507
00:39:56.707 --> 00:39:56.807
Yeah.
508
00:39:56.827 --> 00:39:57.588
She'd be great.
509
00:39:57.648 --> 00:39:58.128
Exactly.
510
00:39:58.148 --> 00:39:59.169
The chat's number one.
511
00:39:59.249 --> 00:40:00.090
The chat's number one.
512
00:40:00.110 --> 00:40:02.753
And I would love to know your view on alcohol as well.
513
00:40:03.673 --> 00:40:06.236
Alcohol has been, you know, it's amazing.
514
00:40:06.756 --> 00:40:08.377
generationally it's changed a lot.
515
00:40:08.498 --> 00:40:14.222
And thank God for that because we did have a really unhealthy relationship with alcohol in this country.
516
00:40:15.203 --> 00:40:17.245
Still in some parts there is.
517
00:40:17.665 --> 00:40:21.929
I think alcohol in moderation is okay as a way to open up conversation.
518
00:40:22.369 --> 00:40:26.953
If you're using it for that modality to say, I have a glass of wine with you and enjoy it.
519
00:40:27.393 --> 00:40:33.298
But there's no doubt that there is a lot of toxicity involved in,
520
00:40:33.699 --> 00:40:37.827
um, in having alcohol and, and he shouldn't go beyond, you know, one to two drinks.
521
00:40:37.927 --> 00:40:44.060
And even that, I would be regulating that to two, three times maximum per week if you are choosing that path.
522
00:40:44.080 --> 00:40:44.942
So, yeah.
523
00:40:45.383 --> 00:40:45.603
Yeah.
524
00:40:45.783 --> 00:40:52.386
I think when you were talking about, you know, the blue zones, people love to take the statistic, oh, but they have wine.
525
00:40:52.406 --> 00:40:52.566
Yes.
526
00:40:52.726 --> 00:40:55.348
And then just send it on the weekend.
527
00:40:55.388 --> 00:40:57.389
But as you said, it's moderation.
528
00:40:57.589 --> 00:40:58.449
It's with people.
529
00:40:58.809 --> 00:40:59.950
They drink slowly.
530
00:41:00.110 --> 00:41:06.573
At our wedding in Italy, the waiters couldn't keep up with the dishwasher because our guests were drinking slowly.
531
00:41:06.813 --> 00:41:09.776
So many Aperol Spritzers, they couldn't keep up.
532
00:41:09.816 --> 00:41:11.898
They just can't believe how much Aussies drink.
533
00:41:11.918 --> 00:41:14.020
So, yeah, I actually am with you.
534
00:41:14.300 --> 00:41:16.642
By the time I give birth, I would have been sober for two years.
535
00:41:17.183 --> 00:41:17.983
Well done.
536
00:41:18.324 --> 00:41:20.045
And I won't drink while I'm breastfeeding.
537
00:41:20.065 --> 00:41:22.828
And then I said, we're booking Europe for next year.
538
00:41:22.888 --> 00:41:26.391
And I thought, you know what, maybe I'll have a wine because I don't want to have all these rules.
539
00:41:26.891 --> 00:41:32.196
One of the things I've realised in pregnancy is that Tom always called me Brian.
540
00:41:34.048 --> 00:41:38.030
Because I'm like, it's 8 o'clock, I need to get to bed.
541
00:41:38.250 --> 00:41:42.552
And now I look at Brian, I'm like, oh, God, I don't want to be like that.
542
00:41:42.572 --> 00:41:44.032
I want to be able to have a drink.
543
00:41:44.052 --> 00:41:47.934
I want to smash a plate in the Greek, you know, by the sea and dance.
544
00:41:47.974 --> 00:41:49.234
That to me is so much fun.
545
00:41:49.274 --> 00:41:52.676
So I think I've learned a lot of balance through this era of my life.
546
00:41:52.696 --> 00:41:56.397
So, yeah, I really loved your thoughts on biohacking.
547
00:41:57.238 --> 00:41:59.899
The final piece of this podcast I really want to talk about
548
00:42:00.799 --> 00:42:06.102
your investments and why you look at businesses like The Beauty Chef and Local Love.
549
00:42:06.122 --> 00:42:08.604
I've had Carla and Emeka on the podcast.
550
00:42:09.584 --> 00:42:10.825
Extraordinary people, both of them.
551
00:42:11.045 --> 00:42:13.026
Yeah, our community adore them.
552
00:42:13.507 --> 00:42:14.968
We love all their products.
553
00:42:14.988 --> 00:42:18.790
So what was it about those companies that made you want to get involved?
554
00:42:19.775 --> 00:42:28.566
I think the inspirational founder journey for me is, you know, they've delivered the hardest part of creating a business.
555
00:42:29.407 --> 00:42:32.792
I came in at Swiss when it was turning 12, 13 million in revenue.
556
00:42:32.832 --> 00:42:34.033
So I wasn't the founder.
557
00:42:34.053 --> 00:42:34.894
I became CEO.
558
00:42:34.914 --> 00:42:35.515
I became CEO.
559
00:42:36.356 --> 00:42:40.237
when it was a smaller organisation and grew it to six, seven hundred million.
560
00:42:40.257 --> 00:42:42.978
And that was the part I really, really enjoyed.
561
00:42:43.618 --> 00:42:51.239
The first, you know, that 13 million to probably 200 million in revenue, I had the best of times and the best team around me.
562
00:42:51.560 --> 00:42:54.980
Still did towards the end there at Swiss, but it was just different.
563
00:42:55.681 --> 00:42:58.701
And it wasn't as fun for all the reasons that I've shared.
564
00:42:59.181 --> 00:43:05.383
And so to partner with these founders at a similar point to when Swiss was, actually both of them were in that bracket.
565
00:43:07.063 --> 00:43:13.027
And to see those businesses thrive by sharing our knowledge of the unknown.
566
00:43:13.067 --> 00:43:21.712
If I had had that when I was kind of growing our business, I probably would have, you know, been in a much better mental state than me.
567
00:43:22.753 --> 00:43:30.261
what I was at the end of that journey because I was pretty done by PTSD and so forth because of just the mega stress I'd gone through.
568
00:43:30.281 --> 00:43:34.646
You know, I can be a helping hand and assurance that this is what happens when we're growing.
569
00:43:34.926 --> 00:43:38.150
I've seen this before and we know the same customers and
570
00:43:38.630 --> 00:43:46.557
what will appeal to them, what retailers we should be working, how we work our digital campaign, how we solve supply issues.
571
00:43:47.097 --> 00:43:59.708
So it's just a privilege to be inspired by the people who have done that to work alongside them and help them grow the business and do it in a supportive way where they don't have to be overwhelmed by it.
572
00:44:00.225 --> 00:44:00.505
Yeah.
573
00:44:00.606 --> 00:44:08.615
Well, we're all very happy here that you've invested in them because it's made it a lot more accessible for a lot more people to access really great products.
574
00:44:08.976 --> 00:44:09.897
Oh, thank you.
575
00:44:09.977 --> 00:44:10.798
So thank you.
576
00:44:11.018 --> 00:44:12.881
I'd love to know what's next for you, Radic.
577
00:44:12.961 --> 00:44:13.662
What's happening?
578
00:44:14.742 --> 00:44:16.123
I think it's more of what we're doing.
579
00:44:16.143 --> 00:44:18.845
I just love how we're going about it.
580
00:44:19.025 --> 00:44:24.009
I love the fact that we're bringing out these amazing talents, putting on these incredible events.
581
00:44:24.029 --> 00:44:25.951
We're selling great nutrition.
582
00:44:26.011 --> 00:44:27.552
We're telling the story behind them.
583
00:44:27.973 --> 00:44:32.756
We've got these other brands that are coming along for that journey and part of our universe.
584
00:44:33.717 --> 00:44:35.118
So it's doing that.
585
00:44:35.138 --> 00:44:35.799
I'm an operator.
586
00:44:35.879 --> 00:44:38.981
I love managing and working in businesses.
587
00:44:39.101 --> 00:44:39.782
I still work.
588
00:44:40.502 --> 00:44:43.043
a day a week in every one of the businesses we've just talked about.
589
00:44:43.063 --> 00:44:45.963
I love working with the people that inspire me.
590
00:44:47.363 --> 00:44:48.764
And it gives me purpose.
591
00:44:48.824 --> 00:44:51.164
I've tried not doing much and it wasn't healthy.
592
00:44:52.504 --> 00:44:55.705
And I find that this is why we work.
593
00:44:56.205 --> 00:45:04.026
We've got this system that we're kind of like busy bees and we thrive as a result of being productive.
594
00:45:04.706 --> 00:45:09.107
And so, yeah, the privilege of being able to do what I do and pick and choose what I do.
595
00:45:09.907 --> 00:45:12.488
It hasn't been about not doing anything.
596
00:45:12.548 --> 00:45:18.329
It's been about finding more purpose and doing more of what I know I can do better than most at.
597
00:45:18.369 --> 00:45:24.931
You know, that's my chosen profession is in wellness, in the wellness industry and doing more of that.
598
00:45:25.051 --> 00:45:26.091
And that satisfies me.
599
00:45:39.834 --> 00:45:42.316
be introduced to things like meditation.
600
00:45:42.336 --> 00:45:49.159
And when we had Drew Barrymore tour, 9,000 people meditated in the ICC there for 20 minutes prior to her coming on stage.
601
00:45:49.780 --> 00:45:51.641
What an amazing thing to do.
602
00:45:51.661 --> 00:45:55.603
It was a pretty confronting thing to challenge our events team.
603
00:45:55.623 --> 00:45:56.683
That's what we're going to do.
604
00:45:57.204 --> 00:45:57.824
But we did it.
605
00:45:57.984 --> 00:46:01.686
And, you know, a lot of people on their feedback said that was the best part of the night.
606
00:46:01.786 --> 00:46:08.390
So if we can just have a few more people meditate and make our world a bit kinder, I think we're doing a great job.
607
00:46:09.150 --> 00:46:11.931
I actually want to note one thing there that I loved.
608
00:46:11.951 --> 00:46:25.016
I said how you've obviously been very successful in business and you tried doing nothing because I think that's what people go in this rat race to achieve the ability to then do nothing, but then you do nothing and then you're bored.
609
00:46:25.516 --> 00:46:29.018
So I think it's like pretty profound insight that…
610
00:46:29.838 --> 00:46:35.723
You know, you went back to work and I think you were saying your dad is nearly 86 and still working with clients.
611
00:46:35.823 --> 00:46:36.564
It is in my DNA.
612
00:46:36.584 --> 00:46:38.326
Yeah, it's in your DNA.
613
00:46:38.346 --> 00:46:50.056
But I also think if you're living in purpose, you don't experience feelings like burnout or fatigue as much as maybe people would assume by the time you get to a certain age.
614
00:46:50.156 --> 00:46:51.197
I reckon it's the reverse.
615
00:46:51.357 --> 00:46:59.063
I reckon if you, and I can say this, we sold Swiss for $2.1 billion and I had 15% of that business.
616
00:46:59.543 --> 00:47:02.666
So I had more than enough finances all of a sudden.
617
00:47:02.746 --> 00:47:04.447
You know, I could have been bankrupt a year before.
618
00:47:04.467 --> 00:47:07.869
I had $15 million in debt and we were in real challenges.
619
00:47:08.270 --> 00:47:10.431
But, you know, we got through and we sold that business.
620
00:47:10.451 --> 00:47:15.395
And, you know, that night all I did was go home and celebrate with my wife over chicken soup.
621
00:47:15.835 --> 00:47:16.096
LAUGHTER
622
00:47:17.116 --> 00:47:22.719
because you don't get to suddenly this point where you've got a financial outcome and everything's okay.
623
00:47:23.639 --> 00:47:25.600
You've still got life.
624
00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:36.805
Material items, whilst they make some things easier, it doesn't mentally change who you are and what the challenges and the way you look at life, the way your mind works.
625
00:47:37.285 --> 00:47:41.967
And so, yes, stopping and having no purpose in my life was incredibly unhealthy.
626
00:47:42.567 --> 00:48:03.132
And it also, I also, but it did give me space to deal with a lot of the trauma that had kind of been driven me, driving me in some positive ways, but in some negative ways and taking time to really get comfortable with that inner voice and why I do what I do and now choosing and being very intentional with how I go about it.
627
00:48:03.392 --> 00:48:07.513
But that's the great privilege that, you know, selling my business has afforded me.
628
00:48:07.874 --> 00:48:09.154
But if I hadn't known that,
629
00:48:10.034 --> 00:48:11.416
I did intuitive know.
630
00:48:11.456 --> 00:48:18.341
That's why I went to the extremes of growing business at Swiss like I did because it was doing what I loved.
631
00:48:18.382 --> 00:48:19.182
It was my passion.
632
00:48:19.603 --> 00:48:21.664
Yes, it got hard and challenges.
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It got really big.
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But ultimately, when we are following our purpose, our intuition, where we should be going, we're rewarded by the universe.
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Yeah, I love that.
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Well, I always end the podcast with the same question, which is what advice would you give to your younger self?
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Mobility.
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Mobility.
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Yoga.
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Stick with it.
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I was doing yoga as a young kid and then I thought it was too cool for school when I got to about 12.
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I did karate for a bit, but then I played football and that ruined my joints.
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If I'd stuck to yoga all through and Pilates and so forth,
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I think I'd be in a much better state than what I am now.
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My knees are okay, but, you know, mobility is the number one longevity factor.
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So, yeah, keeping moving is number one.
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Love that.
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Well, thank you so much, Raddick, for jumping on SelfDom.
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You have so much knowledge and I'm so inspired by everything you're doing in the community space.
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If you could let our audience know any events coming up they should know about and any other details, that would be amazing.
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We've got Diva, Premal and Mitten coming out in the last week of October for Wanderlust True North.
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And then in the second week of November, we've got Jay Shetty touring Melbourne, Sydney, Sydney.
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and Brisbane.
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So yeah, come along, come and experience a Wanderlust event.
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You won't be disappointed.
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You definitely won't.
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And we'll put the tickets in the show notes so then you guys can go have a look.
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Thank you so much again for coming down and joining me in the studio and I will see you guys next week.
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Bye.
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How can something that's growing within you not rely on good nutrition and building great fundamentals as you're developing your baby?
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What do you think are the top ways to biohack?
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Meditation.
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Like this discourse in our mind, any other person in our life, we would fire.
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Getting comfortable with that inner voice or having a way to switch off from it.
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It's just a prerogative on all of us to do that.
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I think there's two types of biohackers in this world.
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I think there's the type who are very numbers driven, but that's also very expensive.
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And what I love about your take is that the things you're saying are free.
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When we are following our purpose, our intuition, where we should be going, we're rewarded by the universe.
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Welcome to Selfdom Beautiful Humans.
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Selfdom is a safe space for meaningful conversations around wellness, nutrition, personal growth, and becoming the best version of you.
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On this episode, we chat about how he built Swiss vitamins, what he's seen change in the wellness space, his definition of biohacking, and what it really means to live well.
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This episode is filled with so many tips and tricks to become the best version of you.
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Welcome to Selfdom, Raddick.
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Oh, so lovely to be here.
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Last time I saw you was at the Whalespring event, October 2025.
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You hosted, let's say, a wellness festival, probably the first of its kind in Australia.
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Let's dive straight into that.
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How did you even manage to bring the world's best biohacking experts into the country?
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How did this idea even start?
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Yeah, it's amazing how timing is everything.
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But to have 2,000 people pay over $300 a ticket to come in and learn about the latest in science and wellness and hear from doctors and practitioners that are rock stars in their industry.
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But, you know, to see that transpire in a much broader audience was just...
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Really exciting for me, my family.
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My father's a professor of surgery.
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Back in the 70s, he was one of the first people to talk about diet causing disease in traditional circles, medical circles.
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He was laughed at for 20-odd years.
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around meditation and what that meant for people's wellness, their mindset.
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So, yeah, really different stuff.
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He'd come home and he'd lecture to me about his frustrations.
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a bit of movement or a bit of diet, what would that do for disease?
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So, yeah, we got dad along to that event.
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He's 85, turning 86 in October, still sees patients full time and just loves the service in giving back to people and has lived a life of that.
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um and so yeah that was Disneyland for him and sort of to bring that to life and and to to see that and to share that with him he can't wait for the next one we're going to do one this year but uh the war started and uh interest rates increases it was just too uncertain a time to bring that much talent to Australia 60 odd different uh presenters um so yeah so we're on next year definitely Wellspring's back and we would love to have you along again
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Oh, my God.
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Yeah, I'll bring little bub.
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Maybe I'll do a mums and bubs session for everyone.
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I want to talk about your dad.
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He's obviously been a huge role model in your life.
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What was it like growing up with a dad who's ahead of the trends when it comes to wellness?
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Yeah, I mean, he always would say that to make a difference, you need to think differently.
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He came from Shepparton.
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His family were...
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tomato pickers, he would do that himself.
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But things came together and he was able to do that.
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If Monash hadn't opened a medical school that year,
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when he wanted to do medicine, he probably wouldn't have done medicine because there was only one school.
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And so, yeah, so he's always kind of looked at the whole modality, not just the fix-it side, not just the reactive side, which is what a lot of medicine has been built around.
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And modern medicine has been very effective in dealing with that.
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But the combination of both this kind of integrative approach or functional medical approach where we're thinking about the markers for health in preventing disease or making us as healthy as possible to deal with whatever condition we're facing.
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Dad really led that thinking.
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And my mum's a medical scientist, so she would test the blood of my dad's patient, check their nutrition and make sure they had the best possible nutrition.
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I didn't appreciate it as much as I should have back then.
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We would speak about health.
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every day and it was the most important topic.
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So yeah, so a lot of my training came from this professor who was frustrated and lecturing to me every day and it gave me a beautiful basis for life and what came next.
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You said it took 20 years for his work to get published.
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What was in this work
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you know, how did he find the strength to keep fighting against the conventional medicine standards?
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I think that if you've come from a background where you've had to fight for everything you have or you kind of built this level of resilience that is beyond kind of the comfort that say, I live in today, I think you're just geared for that.
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That's what you want to do and that's your kind of normal modus operandi.
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So, yeah, so his work was all around diet and it's –
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being a precursor for chronic diseases.
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So when he first suggested that someone that had a heart attack that was overweight, that perhaps diet had some kind of cause or reason for that happening, he was laughed at by the same doctors that were standing around that patient doing a round.
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So he went further and further.
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And then when you go down the path of diet, then there's the mind part.
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And our mind decides what we put in our mouth.
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So he did a lot of research around meditation and our mindset.
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And then why we would do things that we knew wouldn't feel good or weren't the right thing to do while you're dealing with a chronic disease or so forth.
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So, yeah, so it was always about this kind of outcome.
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I'm not sure if you're familiar with the Life Be In It program.
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There was like lunches for schools and there was this guy, Norm, that was kind of an obese cartoon character.
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And it was when government started talking about diet and Dad was the main advisor on that program and what diets people should be having.
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I remember he would be on TV and he would talk about green bananas and how they had prebiotic qualities.
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And this is when I was like a 10-year-old and I have friends at school coming in.
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Oh, green bananas, who's going to eat those?
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But, you know, now we talk about prebiotics, we all know what that means.
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It's fibre, it's creating good flora in our stomach.
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And so, yeah, all these terms that have become, you know, common and for us, you know, to know that things like...
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things like fish is good for us, things like eating well in moderation.
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All these things were terms that weren't thinking about meditation being good for us.
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So when the norm isn't that, you build a lot of resilience and you have to follow your truth.
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And that's something dad's always done.
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And he obviously was very intuitive.
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I mean, anyone I think who listens to this podcast is relatively healthy and aware that when they eat better, they feel better.
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And I guess to us, it feels crazy that the medical, you know, back then didn't see the correlation.
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I mean, or, you know, even now you go into a doctor's office and I've spoken about a lot on the podcast that during my pregnancy, diet's not been spoken about at all in any of my meetings.
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Well, I can believe it knowing what I know, but it's unbelievable.
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Yeah, and it is unbelievable.
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But then I've also heard you do, as a doctor, maybe...
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a week of training when it comes to nutrition?
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Like not much.
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Are we seeing a change in that?
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Well, that week's changed.
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And I know that I did this 15 years ago.
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I called every medical school in the country to find out exactly what they did in diet and nutrition.
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Monash had started a semester of diet and nutrition.
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But it was very kind of peripheral.
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I'm not sure where it is today, but you've got to remember there's generations now of doctors that don't have this training.
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And we also need a modality of specialty in it.
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And whilst we have naturopaths who are extremely helpful and the best supporters for dad's patients because they spend time with his patients and anyone that has cancer,
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He finds that just the care, and this is part of a recovery journey, is having that level of care is important.
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So, yeah, so these medical schools have to change.
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And I think that once we get a specialty, like in the US, of functional medicine or integrative medicine, then I think attitudes will change entirely.
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And as we're seeing so much more, we can measure biomarkers, we can see nutrition change.
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How can something that's growing within you not rely on good nutrition that you're eating and building great fundamentals as you're developing your baby?
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And I think also like on the other side, you know, I saw my mum get really sick and she was healthy.
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She did the right thing.
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That's right.
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And sometimes...
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You can do the right things and you can still get sick.
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So it's just such a wild space and I think if you don't put too much pressure on it and you do your best to look after yourself every single day, that's the real sweet spot.
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And that's why not one modality is right over the other.
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It's the combination of all.
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Whilst we have gender that...
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defines us differently, but we also have different ways we think, different ways that we kind of make choices in our lives, different DNA, different biology, different upbringings.
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All of these things come into play.
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Picking from the medallia of everything is much better than just picking one point of view.
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So just as you're doing, you're getting a level of service from your doctor that will deliver you a great outcome in making sure that the baby is delivered healthily and safely with the process of giving birth.
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But, you know, the nutrition and so forth, you're going out and learning and you're going out and getting other inputs and outputs that, you know, make sense for you and integrating into a program that makes you feel right.
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And, you know, listening to your intuition, listening to your gut and listening to how you really feel.
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And you've got the headspace for that.
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You're a natural meditator who's working on your consciousness all the time.
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So you're very aware of these changes.
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But, you know, unfortunately, not all of us have that in our lives.
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Definitely.
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Well, I'd love to touch on how you built Swiss.
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I think obviously now learning about your upbringing, learning about your understanding of wellness from such a young age, and then going into the vitamin business.
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You really built the vitamin business.
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I think that's the thing.
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You were speaking on a podcast I was listening to and you said when you entered this space, it was very much for the, let me quote you, hairy hippies.
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But now it seems that every person on Instagram, you better be having supplements every day, every morning, every night.
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What was it like when you entered this space?
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What are your thoughts on supplementation?
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I have so many questions.
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Well, you can blame us for all those influences because we were the first brand that had an influencer representing us.
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It was Sonia Kruger and she was on Dancing with the Stars and she was the host of that program.
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And that came up because I was watching TV with mum and I said, what do you like watching?
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She's Dancing with the Stars.
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There was three million people watching that.
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And there was Sonia Cruz.
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She was just this light, shining example of health and in complete command of her senses and, you know, rolling with the program and just making great commentary.
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And I connected with her and asked her if she took supplements.
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And she did.
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are promoting supplements in that way and the reason why i'd come from that background is i'd worked at village cinemas where we had new product every week and and people were really interested in what i was doing and so forth i'd go to barbecues and you you know what's the next brad pitt movie or whatever else was coming out um can you tell us more about it um drew barrymore we got to bring her out for wanderlust so that was fun
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And so you're the centre of great conversation.
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When I started in supplements and I said I would work at Swiss, people would say, what, the agency?
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That's not the agency, the embassy.
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We can probably do better.
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We just felt we could bring that kind of aspirational nature of what kind of, you know, the other parts of the store, like cosmetics and perfumes where they had these great personalities talking about health.
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you know, what helped them be beautiful.
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When what could be more beautiful than supporting people's wellness journey and changing that conversation around just the scientific effects to it being aspirational and kind of about lifestyle and bringing out the best in people.
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So, yeah, Sonia was one of our first ambassadors and that created the kind of we did, and I knew we were doing something strange because unique because Channel 7 was like, you can't,
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do this you don't do that with talent we don't advertise in lifestyle programs with talent oh that's the best way to advertise because then it's people that are watching that show will really be interested in in seeing it so there's a whole story of how that sort of played out but yeah we went on and did the same with block contestants and so forth and so yeah that's why block uh contestants are now ambassadors for everything we opened up the whole market and and and this was uh you know over 20 years ago now so it was a long time ago
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I'd love to talk about that because obviously you hear about successful businesses and I know I grew up where my parents would be like, money doesn't grow on trees and this, and you have these weird money mindsets.
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damage the earth like there's just so many things that pop up in my mind is that something you struggled with yeah on the swiss thing you had a really good point the the reason why we could market like we could market was the fact we had the highest retention of any brand in the category so when people took it they noticed the difference and so you'd confidently market the product and do what we did the crazy and and invest like we did in new customers because we knew we'd retain them
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which goes back to this kind of consumerism part.
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So we were, you know, a best place to work many times over.
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The culture was so ingrained that it was never going to change no matter who owned it, even though we sold it 10 years ago to an overseas international.
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and conscious leadership is a wrestle.
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ignore it and it not be a conversation point and the focus just being on profit.
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So that might be dictatorial and a capitalist approach.
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I think starting from a place of choosing to do the right thing, people see that in your purpose, see that in your authenticity.
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So yeah, we're a B Corp. We use glass packaging.
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And that's why you need to do these things authentically because people, you know, they deeply care about it.
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these things and and it makes complete sense it binds our community so that is what i me as the leader i see is that rather than getting fed up with politics not going in the right direction is leading with actions and letting those actions lead to success and then other people going oh maybe you can get there by by being focused on on doing the right thing first we created the
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I sold that a year ago, it took 10 years to build.
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So if you point our system in the right direction, it can solve some of the biggest issues that we face.
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I think that's a really positive outlook as well on business.
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And it's inspiring for anyone listening who, you know, wants to do something, but they're scared to start because it was like, it already exists.
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Oh, they're doing it like that.
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And I think one thing I struggle with is as the economy is sitting how it is and interest rates, how you're saying the war, like all these moving pieces, do people start looking for ways to cut costs, right?
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Or even as a consumer, do I stop caring about the planet as much because it's cheaper to buy fast fashion?
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I'd love to know some tips that you would give to anyone listening who wants to be a more conscious consumer.
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You're right on the antithesis of what is happening.
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you know, pollutants or sprays or pollution in the air.
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This is our one place, our one home, connection with nature.
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disconnect from that, it becomes easier to say these things and not care like we should.
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I go back to an example of the ozone layer and, you know, the CFC gases.
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That was a global issue.
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We were going to lose the ozone layer if we didn't stop producing spray cans with CFCs in it.
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If we can work with it, nature has a wonderful way of regenerating, just like our bodies over its lifespan.
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Earth's been here for millions of years.
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um that earth's been around for and so our our time here is precious and we we're a custodian of this planet um but ultimately nature will decide and if we don't work with it it will um continue uh to to call us out and give us warnings but those warnings will get persistency larger so so yeah for me it's
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working this system and bringing people on this journey, not in a way of creating fear, but just creating that there are better ways.
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Like for instance, our omega-3, we use an algae oil rather than a fish-based oil because fish really should be eaten if we're going to fish them out of the sea.
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it's naturally eaten by fish, it's plant, it's seaweed, and you can grow it in large scale as well.
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And it sequests carbon from the atmosphere, cools our planet, and it creates this wonderful ingredient, omega-3, which is really important for our brain health and fighting inflammation throughout the body.
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So you can choose better ingredients.
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You're right, it's a bit more expensive.
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the less expensive it's going to be because scale creates efficiency.
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So if we all get behind these initiatives that make our planet better, we create scale and make it more affordable and more accessible, just like with renewable energies and so forth.
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We're not in Swiss anymore.
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So you started Wanderlust, you left Swiss quite a while ago, but then you created Wanderlust.
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Yeah, so that was 10 years ago that I left Swiss, over 10 years.
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And it was the right time for me to move on.
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You know, this is the thing.
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We go through growth, maintenance and destruction.
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That's nature.
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And that's our own cycles and that's all of our relationships in our lives and also our relationships with business.
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And I'd gone through the whole growth cycle.
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time at Swiss, a maintenance mode while we're trying to sell it.
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And then it was time to get out.
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It was time for me to move on.
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The business has got bigger and broader than, you know, I could ever keep up with.
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I was three weeks on a plane every month.
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I didn't know all the names of everyone, which, you know, I truly loved and their backgrounds.
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I just couldn't keep up.
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So it was time to have a break and think about what was next after, after getting off the wild ride that was Swiss.
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And so, yeah, Wanderlust was a festival that we wanted to bring to Australia.
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We brought the colour run out when I was at Swiss and that was hugely successful.
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We had 250,000 people doing that.
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I was so worried.
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And every dollar that we raised from that went to charity, which was wonderful.
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And so I was so worried about that burning out as a fad.
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I was looking for the next thing and the music to yoga and these wellness festivals was what Wanderlust was doing.
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And so I got to know the founders.
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They'd done a licensing deal in Australia.
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And so lucky we didn't buy it as Swiss because in 2007,
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2018, three years after I kind of got out of the day-to-day Swiss, I kind of got the idea of, if I'm going to go back to supplements, I need to do it entirely differently.
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And I thought, wonder what?
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That's a beautiful brand.
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It has already this great heritage in yoga and movement.
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meditation and nutrition.
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So yeah, so that kind of platform for me made a lot of sense in having the events in this day of content being really, really important.
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But the events on their own weren't working.
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There was 50 events around the world and whilst it was the biggest wellness festival globally
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It just would struggle to make money.
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So it had 50 million US invested in it by pro equity.
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And so, yeah, I'd got to know the guys and the timing was right to buy that business and turn it into not only an events business but...
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a supplements business and also have content play through commune.
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So the other founder of wellness started commune, Jeff Grasno and Sean Hess was the two founders.
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And Jeff had started commune because he was trying to start that within...
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Wanderlust, but it, it, it, private equity just wanted to focus on events.
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I became the second largest shareholder in that.
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And so that's this amazing platform for wellness and, and has all these amazing luminaries sharing the art form.
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We've got Naomi Watts doing a documentary at the moment.
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We've just launched with her female longevity team and, and kind of helping with
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uh, with, with ladies in menopause and, and, and, and, and enjoying sex beyond, uh, the change.
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So, um, so, so yeah, these are the sorts of topics we get into and we have a kind of a new, um, uh, topic each kind of quarter.
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And that's a really exciting business.
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So you've got this digital platform that people can go to and learn more from after they experience it, a live event.
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So we're touring Naomi and her team in the US.
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Maybe we'll do that in Australia.
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And hence the platform of why we've got Jay Shetty coming out in November.
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And we've got Diva Prima and Mitton who are doing Kirtan.
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Have you done Kirtan?
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Katana is incredible.
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That is like the best form of meditation.
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I can't wait.
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It's like two hours of chanting mantras and singing to it.
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And so Mitten was in Fleetwood Mac and he was the lead guitarist in Fleetwood Mac.
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They've won Grammy Awards.
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So, yeah, have a listen to Diva Primal and Mitten.
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So they're coming out in November as well, October, I should say.
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And so, yeah, this event platform, then the nutrition as well to go with it through Wunderlust.
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We've got the Beauty Chef as well and then Local Love as well.
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All great supplements to creating better wellness and healthier alternatives to those unhealthy snacks that we can all be tempted by occasionally.
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I think one of my favorite things about Wanderlust and all the different pillars you have is that you bring together things that maybe sound unconventional to the naked eye.
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You know, when you brought Pam Anderson out, you know, people aren't – I don't associate her with wellness, right?
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But then you bring her out, it brings the audience, and I guess it goes back to –
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Your whole thing with the influences, right?
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You know, you know what sells.
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But I'm so excited for Jay Shady to get here in November.
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He's the reason I started my podcast.
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He's helped me through so much of my life.
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I got the honour of meeting him when he was here last time touring.
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He's just such an amazing, kind man.
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So, yeah, I just think what you guys are doing in this space is incredible.
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And one of the things I loved about Wellspring, which I know is different to when you bring a star out, but...
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You get to try different healing modalities and you get to see what works for you.
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So I got to do Yoga Nidra for the first time.
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Isn't it beautiful?
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Passed out in like five minutes.
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I've been an insomniac my entire life.
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Huberman's been going on and on about Yoga Nidra being his number one biohacking modality.
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Yeah, it's not the IV, it's not the this, it's something simple.
383
00:31:27.056 --> 00:31:28.499
I would love to talk about biohacking.
384
00:31:28.919 --> 00:31:33.547
Obviously, that is a massive space right now.
385
00:31:33.988 --> 00:31:34.729
Was that term...
386
00:31:35.649 --> 00:31:38.071
even around when you started at Swiss?
387
00:31:40.573 --> 00:31:44.095
No, but the term bio was and is.
388
00:31:44.115 --> 00:31:46.917
Bio means nature in French.
389
00:31:47.498 --> 00:31:48.959
So it's nature hacking.
390
00:31:49.099 --> 00:31:53.162
I like to think about it as using nature to hack your health.
391
00:31:53.902 --> 00:31:59.684
And so whilst people have different interpretations of it, biohack is nature's hack.
392
00:31:59.704 --> 00:32:00.725
So it's nature's goods.
393
00:32:00.745 --> 00:32:12.168
And that's why we have a Wanderlust biohacking brand is that all of nature's modality synthesised with science can help get us the best of outcomes.
394
00:32:12.649 --> 00:32:13.269
I think that...
395
00:32:13.969 --> 00:32:19.171
This goes back to us understanding now more about our bodies than we ever have.
396
00:32:19.191 --> 00:32:31.056
So being able to measure things like nutrition, understanding its impact and knowing that vitamin D is kind of fundamental and should be something that we all test for is fundamental to our health.
397
00:32:31.096 --> 00:32:32.077
We're outdoor plants.
398
00:32:32.277 --> 00:32:34.618
And if we don't get sunlight every day, we will die.
399
00:32:35.398 --> 00:32:36.459
There's no question of that.
400
00:32:36.879 --> 00:32:40.640
And my father's never seen a cancer patient with a normal vitamin D level.
401
00:32:41.461 --> 00:32:56.267
So making sure that these things are better known and people are knowing through exactly the types of people that we have speak at like a wellspring is becoming more and more common knowledge.
402
00:32:56.527 --> 00:32:59.648
And so, yeah, building on that platform excites us.
403
00:33:00.109 --> 00:33:03.510
Building on that knowledge and the accessibilities, delivering it with knowledge,
404
00:33:03.870 --> 00:33:08.953
various personalities, not the one type, like we always have back in the Swiss days.
405
00:33:08.973 --> 00:33:13.675
But in this day and age, we're doing an event program and then we deliver content.
406
00:33:13.935 --> 00:33:17.197
So we appeal to a wide scope of people because this message is important.
407
00:33:17.517 --> 00:33:22.200
This message is important that we can take control of our health and do everything we can.
408
00:33:22.280 --> 00:33:28.523
Yes, there is a lot up there to the kind of random, but when you are doing that, it just feels so much better.
409
00:33:29.123 --> 00:33:47.580
to to do the right thing by our bodies we feel better we feel mentally better that voice in our head isn't as as incessant as it could be if we're not uh practicing um you know if we if we're not practicing these kind of choices to do the right thing by ourselves what do you think are the top ways to biohack then
410
00:33:48.328 --> 00:33:49.089
Yeah, good one.
411
00:33:49.750 --> 00:33:52.312
I think number one is meditation.
412
00:33:52.532 --> 00:33:58.098
Like this discourse in our mind, any other person in our life, we would fire.
413
00:33:58.759 --> 00:34:02.723
It's the one person that tells you you're feeling tired today, you're not going to nail this.
414
00:34:03.284 --> 00:34:05.105
It's the one person that's at you like, come on.
415
00:34:05.986 --> 00:34:13.448
you're talking rubbish here or you're distracted and you're not taking in the most important moment in front of you, which is the here and now.
416
00:34:13.508 --> 00:34:20.809
So getting comfortable with that inner voice or having a way to switch off from it, it's just a prerogative on all of us to do that.
417
00:34:21.089 --> 00:34:25.910
And it doesn't have to be a, you know, you should look forward to the form of meditation you choose.
418
00:34:26.290 --> 00:34:28.991
We were just talking about your husband's love for Padale.
419
00:34:29.011 --> 00:34:30.211
That's a form of meditation.
420
00:34:30.391 --> 00:34:31.992
Yeah, he's getting away.
421
00:34:32.133 --> 00:34:32.533
Exactly.
422
00:34:32.573 --> 00:34:33.454
He's getting away.
423
00:34:33.734 --> 00:34:34.495
That's his rhythm.
424
00:34:34.515 --> 00:34:41.361
That's his ability to calm the mind and stop that voice because that voice is what causes so much stress.
425
00:34:42.081 --> 00:34:49.267
And so us having, you know, something we look forward to, I'd do 20 minutes twice per day and sometimes 30 minutes if I can get away with more.
426
00:34:49.868 --> 00:34:55.473
And it's just the thing I look forward to most is just having that quiet time and catching back up.
427
00:34:55.853 --> 00:35:00.997
I love having a sauna and an ice bath, but the most important thing is to do it with someone else.
428
00:35:01.317 --> 00:35:13.306
Don't do it by yourself so you have a good chat, vent, talk, express gratitude for one another or some friends in your life and talk about your stresses, unwinding, venting.
429
00:35:14.647 --> 00:35:17.189
If you're having a cup of tea or a coffee, don't do it by yourself.
430
00:35:17.209 --> 00:35:18.129
Do it with someone else.
431
00:35:19.030 --> 00:35:20.551
If you are by yourself, journal.
432
00:35:21.312 --> 00:35:21.532
Yeah.
433
00:35:22.032 --> 00:35:23.414
put things down in writing.
434
00:35:23.474 --> 00:35:24.935
So you are unloading.
435
00:35:25.235 --> 00:35:26.336
Dad calls it unloading.
436
00:35:27.458 --> 00:35:35.465
And again, this kind of Mediterranean culture, this is why a lot of the blue zones are in the Mediterranean zone is because this is the fundamentals.
437
00:35:35.485 --> 00:35:37.988
You catch up over a meal and you talk together.
438
00:35:38.768 --> 00:35:40.129
You do everything in moderation.
439
00:35:40.149 --> 00:35:45.412
And if you're having a cup of coffee or tea, you're doing with others and you're having a good chat.
440
00:35:45.432 --> 00:35:51.775
So these might not be the kind of things that are the cutting edge of science, but they are just so important.
441
00:35:51.855 --> 00:36:03.802
Exercise, good nutrition, vitamin D, through to having nutrition that manages stress, whether it be omega-3s for inflammation, whether it be antioxidants to help us deal with
442
00:36:04.502 --> 00:36:08.003
our stress levels, like ashwagandha does.
443
00:36:08.063 --> 00:36:11.784
So all of these things are really, really important to choose from.
444
00:36:12.124 --> 00:36:17.765
But again, you know, coming back to how you feel and your mindset being number one.
445
00:36:18.325 --> 00:36:22.046
It's really interesting because I agree with everything that you're saying.
446
00:36:22.566 --> 00:36:27.067
But then, you know, Brian Johnson, who spends $2 million a year on his house.
447
00:36:27.107 --> 00:36:27.747
Poor Brian.
448
00:36:28.727 --> 00:36:37.632
But he walks around with an umbrella all the time, no vitamin D. I actually listened to a podcast where he said he doesn't really do anything for his mental health.
449
00:36:38.273 --> 00:36:44.776
So I doubt he's meditating and journaling because every moment of the day is measuring.
450
00:36:45.697 --> 00:36:47.337
I guess he's measuring instead of meditating.
451
00:36:47.858 --> 00:36:53.000
And it's really interesting because I think there's two types of biohackers in this world.
452
00:36:53.040 --> 00:36:57.223
I think there's the type who are very numbers driven.
453
00:36:57.243 --> 00:36:57.343
Yeah.
454
00:36:58.250 --> 00:36:59.851
But that's also very expensive.
455
00:37:00.292 --> 00:37:10.259
And what I love about your take is that the things you're saying are free and accessible for every single person on this planet.
456
00:37:10.279 --> 00:37:18.465
So, you know, I think we're in a funny part of history right now where people are trying not to die or not to age and not to this.
457
00:37:18.926 --> 00:37:21.548
But when I think of the healthiest people in the world, I think of my nonna.
458
00:37:21.888 --> 00:37:22.328
She's 93.
459
00:37:22.368 --> 00:37:23.689
She gardens every day.
460
00:37:23.709 --> 00:37:24.650
She's out in the sun.
461
00:37:25.070 --> 00:37:26.271
She has a cookie every day.
462
00:37:26.311 --> 00:37:26.732
Like she...
463
00:37:27.412 --> 00:37:28.654
She's living, you know.
464
00:37:28.674 --> 00:37:30.896
So I don't know.
465
00:37:31.016 --> 00:37:38.985
I guess what's your take on these kind of extreme people who are doing these extreme things to go against nature?
466
00:37:39.426 --> 00:37:40.467
Yeah.
467
00:37:40.487 --> 00:37:43.770
So, yeah, I feel for Brian.
468
00:37:44.311 --> 00:37:45.012
I think that...
469
00:37:46.373 --> 00:37:49.818
He does supplement with vitamin D, so hence how he balances it out.
470
00:37:49.838 --> 00:37:51.540
But he's worried about the UV rays.
471
00:37:51.921 --> 00:37:55.225
If it was to get up nice and early, you get the red light effect.
472
00:37:55.245 --> 00:37:59.330
So that's why it's really important to get sun first thing in the morning.
473
00:37:59.350 --> 00:38:02.134
That's when you're getting – you know how people are using red lights on their skin.
474
00:38:02.174 --> 00:38:03.916
I do that every night for my knees and my –
475
00:38:05.258 --> 00:38:11.145
for my face and my hair, keeping that healthy, and also my back.
476
00:38:11.486 --> 00:38:14.629
But if you just get up, you get that for free in the mornings.
477
00:38:15.290 --> 00:38:20.056
And it's so important to start with sunlight and have that circadian rhythm happening.
478
00:38:20.477 --> 00:38:21.338
But, yeah, Brian...
479
00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:25.862
I think that ultimately what he's doing is working for him.
480
00:38:26.403 --> 00:38:28.625
And this goes back to your personal journey.
481
00:38:29.045 --> 00:38:31.948
And really there isn't one way that's more right than the other.
482
00:38:32.408 --> 00:38:35.411
It's really what works for you that gets you inspired about your health.
483
00:38:35.431 --> 00:38:42.478
And I think deep down when I watched his documentary, he was pretty happy about it all because it kept him on his path of
484
00:38:43.058 --> 00:38:47.222
You know, whatever he was on beforehand, he felt directionless and didn't have purpose.
485
00:38:47.282 --> 00:38:48.323
It's given him purpose.
486
00:38:49.264 --> 00:38:53.888
And he did talk about this community part at the end and going on walks together with groups of people.
487
00:38:53.908 --> 00:38:57.531
So I think he might be slowly seeing the light of balancing that.
488
00:38:57.651 --> 00:38:58.552
And he got a girlfriend now.
489
00:38:58.572 --> 00:38:59.352
Yeah, got a girlfriend.
490
00:38:59.432 --> 00:39:00.173
Good Aussie girl.
491
00:39:00.233 --> 00:39:01.875
He stayed up past NPM once.
492
00:39:01.895 --> 00:39:02.535
Yeah, correct.
493
00:39:02.755 --> 00:39:03.616
Got wild.
494
00:39:04.157 --> 00:39:04.477
LAUGHTER
495
00:39:05.657 --> 00:39:12.540
So, you know, I think that, you know, we sometimes need extremes to pull back on other extremes of behaviour and find our middle.
496
00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:16.081
And so he's living a very public life on the other extreme.
497
00:39:16.361 --> 00:39:23.003
But probably he needs to do that to keep him on the straight and narrow, keep him focused and have that pressure of delivering that so he does do it.
498
00:39:23.623 --> 00:39:46.218
um so again it just comes down to what works for you and and you know this is what i've found works for me what i've what i've shared and this is why this is a wonderful world to explore this wellness thing because there is something for everyone even even your your husband he's got and he's meditating so you can find your rhythm in this and and do what you know is healthy for you do more of that
499
00:39:46.959 --> 00:39:47.119
Yeah.
500
00:39:47.139 --> 00:39:48.680
And your nonna sounds incredible.
501
00:39:48.720 --> 00:39:49.621
She's an iPhone.
502
00:39:49.781 --> 00:39:51.863
I think she's my next guest maybe.
503
00:39:51.883 --> 00:39:53.524
We're going to have her at Wellspring, hey?
504
00:39:53.805 --> 00:39:54.365
Bring her in.
505
00:39:54.826 --> 00:39:55.246
Literally.
506
00:39:55.266 --> 00:39:56.687
She loves it and she loves a chat.
507
00:39:56.707 --> 00:39:56.807
Yeah.
508
00:39:56.827 --> 00:39:57.588
She'd be great.
509
00:39:57.648 --> 00:39:58.128
Exactly.
510
00:39:58.148 --> 00:39:59.169
The chat's number one.
511
00:39:59.249 --> 00:40:00.090
The chat's number one.
512
00:40:00.110 --> 00:40:02.753
And I would love to know your view on alcohol as well.
513
00:40:03.673 --> 00:40:06.236
Alcohol has been, you know, it's amazing.
514
00:40:06.756 --> 00:40:08.377
generationally it's changed a lot.
515
00:40:08.498 --> 00:40:14.222
And thank God for that because we did have a really unhealthy relationship with alcohol in this country.
516
00:40:15.203 --> 00:40:17.245
Still in some parts there is.
517
00:40:17.665 --> 00:40:21.929
I think alcohol in moderation is okay as a way to open up conversation.
518
00:40:22.369 --> 00:40:26.953
If you're using it for that modality to say, I have a glass of wine with you and enjoy it.
519
00:40:27.393 --> 00:40:33.298
But there's no doubt that there is a lot of toxicity involved in,
520
00:40:33.699 --> 00:40:37.827
um, in having alcohol and, and he shouldn't go beyond, you know, one to two drinks.
521
00:40:37.927 --> 00:40:44.060
And even that, I would be regulating that to two, three times maximum per week if you are choosing that path.
522
00:40:44.080 --> 00:40:44.942
So, yeah.
523
00:40:45.383 --> 00:40:45.603
Yeah.
524
00:40:45.783 --> 00:40:52.386
I think when you were talking about, you know, the blue zones, people love to take the statistic, oh, but they have wine.
525
00:40:52.406 --> 00:40:52.566
Yes.
526
00:40:52.726 --> 00:40:55.348
And then just send it on the weekend.
527
00:40:55.388 --> 00:40:57.389
But as you said, it's moderation.
528
00:40:57.589 --> 00:40:58.449
It's with people.
529
00:40:58.809 --> 00:40:59.950
They drink slowly.
530
00:41:00.110 --> 00:41:06.573
At our wedding in Italy, the waiters couldn't keep up with the dishwasher because our guests were drinking slowly.
531
00:41:06.813 --> 00:41:09.776
So many Aperol Spritzers, they couldn't keep up.
532
00:41:09.816 --> 00:41:11.898
They just can't believe how much Aussies drink.
533
00:41:11.918 --> 00:41:14.020
So, yeah, I actually am with you.
534
00:41:14.300 --> 00:41:16.642
By the time I give birth, I would have been sober for two years.
535
00:41:17.183 --> 00:41:17.983
Well done.
536
00:41:18.324 --> 00:41:20.045
And I won't drink while I'm breastfeeding.
537
00:41:20.065 --> 00:41:22.828
And then I said, we're booking Europe for next year.
538
00:41:22.888 --> 00:41:26.391
And I thought, you know what, maybe I'll have a wine because I don't want to have all these rules.
539
00:41:26.891 --> 00:41:32.196
One of the things I've realised in pregnancy is that Tom always called me Brian.
540
00:41:34.048 --> 00:41:38.030
Because I'm like, it's 8 o'clock, I need to get to bed.
541
00:41:38.250 --> 00:41:42.552
And now I look at Brian, I'm like, oh, God, I don't want to be like that.
542
00:41:42.572 --> 00:41:44.032
I want to be able to have a drink.
543
00:41:44.052 --> 00:41:47.934
I want to smash a plate in the Greek, you know, by the sea and dance.
544
00:41:47.974 --> 00:41:49.234
That to me is so much fun.
545
00:41:49.274 --> 00:41:52.676
So I think I've learned a lot of balance through this era of my life.
546
00:41:52.696 --> 00:41:56.397
So, yeah, I really loved your thoughts on biohacking.
547
00:41:57.238 --> 00:41:59.899
The final piece of this podcast I really want to talk about
548
00:42:00.799 --> 00:42:06.102
your investments and why you look at businesses like The Beauty Chef and Local Love.
549
00:42:06.122 --> 00:42:08.604
I've had Carla and Emeka on the podcast.
550
00:42:09.584 --> 00:42:10.825
Extraordinary people, both of them.
551
00:42:11.045 --> 00:42:13.026
Yeah, our community adore them.
552
00:42:13.507 --> 00:42:14.968
We love all their products.
553
00:42:14.988 --> 00:42:18.790
So what was it about those companies that made you want to get involved?
554
00:42:19.775 --> 00:42:28.566
I think the inspirational founder journey for me is, you know, they've delivered the hardest part of creating a business.
555
00:42:29.407 --> 00:42:32.792
I came in at Swiss when it was turning 12, 13 million in revenue.
556
00:42:32.832 --> 00:42:34.033
So I wasn't the founder.
557
00:42:34.053 --> 00:42:34.894
I became CEO.
558
00:42:34.914 --> 00:42:35.515
I became CEO.
559
00:42:36.356 --> 00:42:40.237
when it was a smaller organisation and grew it to six, seven hundred million.
560
00:42:40.257 --> 00:42:42.978
And that was the part I really, really enjoyed.
561
00:42:43.618 --> 00:42:51.239
The first, you know, that 13 million to probably 200 million in revenue, I had the best of times and the best team around me.
562
00:42:51.560 --> 00:42:54.980
Still did towards the end there at Swiss, but it was just different.
563
00:42:55.681 --> 00:42:58.701
And it wasn't as fun for all the reasons that I've shared.
564
00:42:59.181 --> 00:43:05.383
And so to partner with these founders at a similar point to when Swiss was, actually both of them were in that bracket.
565
00:43:07.063 --> 00:43:13.027
And to see those businesses thrive by sharing our knowledge of the unknown.
566
00:43:13.067 --> 00:43:21.712
If I had had that when I was kind of growing our business, I probably would have, you know, been in a much better mental state than me.
567
00:43:22.753 --> 00:43:30.261
what I was at the end of that journey because I was pretty done by PTSD and so forth because of just the mega stress I'd gone through.
568
00:43:30.281 --> 00:43:34.646
You know, I can be a helping hand and assurance that this is what happens when we're growing.
569
00:43:34.926 --> 00:43:38.150
I've seen this before and we know the same customers and
570
00:43:38.630 --> 00:43:46.557
what will appeal to them, what retailers we should be working, how we work our digital campaign, how we solve supply issues.
571
00:43:47.097 --> 00:43:59.708
So it's just a privilege to be inspired by the people who have done that to work alongside them and help them grow the business and do it in a supportive way where they don't have to be overwhelmed by it.
572
00:44:00.225 --> 00:44:00.505
Yeah.
573
00:44:00.606 --> 00:44:08.615
Well, we're all very happy here that you've invested in them because it's made it a lot more accessible for a lot more people to access really great products.
574
00:44:08.976 --> 00:44:09.897
Oh, thank you.
575
00:44:09.977 --> 00:44:10.798
So thank you.
576
00:44:11.018 --> 00:44:12.881
I'd love to know what's next for you, Radic.
577
00:44:12.961 --> 00:44:13.662
What's happening?
578
00:44:14.742 --> 00:44:16.123
I think it's more of what we're doing.
579
00:44:16.143 --> 00:44:18.845
I just love how we're going about it.
580
00:44:19.025 --> 00:44:24.009
I love the fact that we're bringing out these amazing talents, putting on these incredible events.
581
00:44:24.029 --> 00:44:25.951
We're selling great nutrition.
582
00:44:26.011 --> 00:44:27.552
We're telling the story behind them.
583
00:44:27.973 --> 00:44:32.756
We've got these other brands that are coming along for that journey and part of our universe.
584
00:44:33.717 --> 00:44:35.118
So it's doing that.
585
00:44:35.138 --> 00:44:35.799
I'm an operator.
586
00:44:35.879 --> 00:44:38.981
I love managing and working in businesses.
587
00:44:39.101 --> 00:44:39.782
I still work.
588
00:44:40.502 --> 00:44:43.043
a day a week in every one of the businesses we've just talked about.
589
00:44:43.063 --> 00:44:45.963
I love working with the people that inspire me.
590
00:44:47.363 --> 00:44:48.764
And it gives me purpose.
591
00:44:48.824 --> 00:44:51.164
I've tried not doing much and it wasn't healthy.
592
00:44:52.504 --> 00:44:55.705
And I find that this is why we work.
593
00:44:56.205 --> 00:45:04.026
We've got this system that we're kind of like busy bees and we thrive as a result of being productive.
594
00:45:04.706 --> 00:45:09.107
And so, yeah, the privilege of being able to do what I do and pick and choose what I do.
595
00:45:09.907 --> 00:45:12.488
It hasn't been about not doing anything.
596
00:45:12.548 --> 00:45:18.329
It's been about finding more purpose and doing more of what I know I can do better than most at.
597
00:45:18.369 --> 00:45:24.931
You know, that's my chosen profession is in wellness, in the wellness industry and doing more of that.
598
00:45:25.051 --> 00:45:26.091
And that satisfies me.
599
00:45:39.834 --> 00:45:42.316
be introduced to things like meditation.
600
00:45:42.336 --> 00:45:49.159
And when we had Drew Barrymore tour, 9,000 people meditated in the ICC there for 20 minutes prior to her coming on stage.
601
00:45:49.780 --> 00:45:51.641
What an amazing thing to do.
602
00:45:51.661 --> 00:45:55.603
It was a pretty confronting thing to challenge our events team.
603
00:45:55.623 --> 00:45:56.683
That's what we're going to do.
604
00:45:57.204 --> 00:45:57.824
But we did it.
605
00:45:57.984 --> 00:46:01.686
And, you know, a lot of people on their feedback said that was the best part of the night.
606
00:46:01.786 --> 00:46:08.390
So if we can just have a few more people meditate and make our world a bit kinder, I think we're doing a great job.
607
00:46:09.150 --> 00:46:11.931
I actually want to note one thing there that I loved.
608
00:46:11.951 --> 00:46:25.016
I said how you've obviously been very successful in business and you tried doing nothing because I think that's what people go in this rat race to achieve the ability to then do nothing, but then you do nothing and then you're bored.
609
00:46:25.516 --> 00:46:29.018
So I think it's like pretty profound insight that…
610
00:46:29.838 --> 00:46:35.723
You know, you went back to work and I think you were saying your dad is nearly 86 and still working with clients.
611
00:46:35.823 --> 00:46:36.564
It is in my DNA.
612
00:46:36.584 --> 00:46:38.326
Yeah, it's in your DNA.
613
00:46:38.346 --> 00:46:50.056
But I also think if you're living in purpose, you don't experience feelings like burnout or fatigue as much as maybe people would assume by the time you get to a certain age.
614
00:46:50.156 --> 00:46:51.197
I reckon it's the reverse.
615
00:46:51.357 --> 00:46:59.063
I reckon if you, and I can say this, we sold Swiss for $2.1 billion and I had 15% of that business.
616
00:46:59.543 --> 00:47:02.666
So I had more than enough finances all of a sudden.
617
00:47:02.746 --> 00:47:04.447
You know, I could have been bankrupt a year before.
618
00:47:04.467 --> 00:47:07.869
I had $15 million in debt and we were in real challenges.
619
00:47:08.270 --> 00:47:10.431
But, you know, we got through and we sold that business.
620
00:47:10.451 --> 00:47:15.395
And, you know, that night all I did was go home and celebrate with my wife over chicken soup.
621
00:47:15.835 --> 00:47:16.096
LAUGHTER
622
00:47:17.116 --> 00:47:22.719
because you don't get to suddenly this point where you've got a financial outcome and everything's okay.
623
00:47:23.639 --> 00:47:25.600
You've still got life.
624
00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:36.805
Material items, whilst they make some things easier, it doesn't mentally change who you are and what the challenges and the way you look at life, the way your mind works.
625
00:47:37.285 --> 00:47:41.967
And so, yes, stopping and having no purpose in my life was incredibly unhealthy.
626
00:47:42.567 --> 00:48:03.132
And it also, I also, but it did give me space to deal with a lot of the trauma that had kind of been driven me, driving me in some positive ways, but in some negative ways and taking time to really get comfortable with that inner voice and why I do what I do and now choosing and being very intentional with how I go about it.
627
00:48:03.392 --> 00:48:07.513
But that's the great privilege that, you know, selling my business has afforded me.
628
00:48:07.874 --> 00:48:09.154
But if I hadn't known that,
629
00:48:10.034 --> 00:48:11.416
I did intuitive know.
630
00:48:11.456 --> 00:48:18.341
That's why I went to the extremes of growing business at Swiss like I did because it was doing what I loved.
631
00:48:18.382 --> 00:48:19.182
It was my passion.
632
00:48:19.603 --> 00:48:21.664
Yes, it got hard and challenges.
633
00:48:21.684 --> 00:48:22.545
It got really big.
634
00:48:22.985 --> 00:48:29.271
But ultimately, when we are following our purpose, our intuition, where we should be going, we're rewarded by the universe.
635
00:48:29.797 --> 00:48:30.797
Yeah, I love that.
636
00:48:30.818 --> 00:48:35.540
Well, I always end the podcast with the same question, which is what advice would you give to your younger self?
637
00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:36.400
Mobility.
638
00:48:37.120 --> 00:48:37.401
Yeah.
639
00:48:37.701 --> 00:48:38.341
Mobility.
640
00:48:38.441 --> 00:48:38.821
Yes.
641
00:48:39.201 --> 00:48:39.702
Yoga.
642
00:48:39.782 --> 00:48:40.262
Stick with it.
643
00:48:40.322 --> 00:48:46.185
I was doing yoga as a young kid and then I thought it was too cool for school when I got to about 12.
644
00:48:46.245 --> 00:48:49.806
I did karate for a bit, but then I played football and that ruined my joints.
645
00:48:50.167 --> 00:48:53.168
If I'd stuck to yoga all through and Pilates and so forth,
646
00:48:53.508 --> 00:48:56.411
I think I'd be in a much better state than what I am now.
647
00:48:56.731 --> 00:49:01.615
My knees are okay, but, you know, mobility is the number one longevity factor.
648
00:49:02.096 --> 00:49:03.597
So, yeah, keeping moving is number one.
649
00:49:03.985 --> 00:49:04.445
Love that.
650
00:49:04.645 --> 00:49:07.567
Well, thank you so much, Raddick, for jumping on SelfDom.
651
00:49:07.607 --> 00:49:12.729
You have so much knowledge and I'm so inspired by everything you're doing in the community space.
652
00:49:13.129 --> 00:49:18.492
If you could let our audience know any events coming up they should know about and any other details, that would be amazing.
653
00:49:18.592 --> 00:49:23.814
We've got Diva, Premal and Mitten coming out in the last week of October for Wanderlust True North.
654
00:49:24.315 --> 00:49:29.237
And then in the second week of November, we've got Jay Shetty touring Melbourne, Sydney, Sydney.
655
00:49:29.857 --> 00:49:31.218
and Brisbane.
656
00:49:31.338 --> 00:49:35.600
So yeah, come along, come and experience a Wanderlust event.
657
00:49:35.640 --> 00:49:36.621
You won't be disappointed.
658
00:49:36.921 --> 00:49:37.802
You definitely won't.
659
00:49:37.862 --> 00:49:40.903
And we'll put the tickets in the show notes so then you guys can go have a look.
660
00:49:41.264 --> 00:49:46.867
Thank you so much again for coming down and joining me in the studio and I will see you guys next week.
661
00:49:47.127 --> 00:49:47.587
Bye.
