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Jeremy: Are you gonna do an intro, Alicia?
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Alicia: I was gonna wait for you to do it.
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I wasn't gonna steal it from you
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Jeremy: No.
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It's all you today.
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Go for it.
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Alicia: Good evening and welcome to
Progressively Horrified the podcast
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where something does something and
something else does something else.
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I'm your host Alicia Whitley, and I
totally stole this intro from Jeremy.
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Didn't write it down and so completely
forgot what I'm supposed to say.
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Ben: Well I liked it.
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Zuri: When we hold horror progressive
standards, it never agreed to.
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Alicia: Thank you.
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Jeremy: No, my daughter has my back.
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My wife doesn't know what the intro
to the podcast is, despite editing it.
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But my daughter Zuri
knows what the intro is.
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Alicia: Sorry.
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Did you just read that off of something?
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Zuri: No, you've made
me listen to it enough.
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Ben: I do love that you're all
each paired up with the one
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that looks the most like you.
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So it just looks like
rookie and champion form.
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Dig eman.
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Amara: We didn't know this.
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Alicia: We didn't?
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Amara: No.
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Well.
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At least I didn't.
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Alicia: All right.
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So tonight we are going to be
talking about Dead end Paranormal
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Park, the Netflix children Show.
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And in order to help us talk
about that, we've got some real
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live children on the podcast.
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So,
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Jeremy: child correspondence?
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Alicia: special child correspondence.
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So I guess you usually start Jeremy
by introducing each of the hosts and
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then introducing the special guests.
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Right.
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Jeremy: Usually.
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Yes.
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Alicia: All right.
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So first up your host and my B f F for
life writer and creator, Jeremy Whitley.
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Jeremy,
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Jeremy: it's me.
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I didn't also prepare a thing to
introduce myself, so here we are.
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Yay.
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Also, I don't know if, Alicia,
did you introduce yourself?
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Alicia: I did not, I just said
I was stealing the show, so
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Jeremy: Uh, Let me introduce uh,
your host for tonight and my wife
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and educator, Alicia Whitley.
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Not my educator, just my wife.
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Everybody's educator.
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Alicia: Mm-hmm.
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Also, on the podcast tonight,
we have co-hosts, Ben and
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Emily how y'all doing tonight?
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Ben: Good.
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We're kicking off TV month with dead
end and the whole Whitley family.
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Emily: Indeed, indeed.
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The uh, creators of this show and of
some of our co-hosts as well Jeremy
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and Alicia, it is lovely to be here.
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And also Zuri and MariJo, how are you
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Alicia: No, you gotta say it
because people will be, will see it.
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So you have to
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Jeremy: Zuri is wave.
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Apparently
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Emily: yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I know this is an audio medium.
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Zuri: She said, how are you?
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Oh, I'm
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Ben: what?
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That's a mood.
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I also feel wave
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Emily: Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Zuri: All I heard was my name.
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Ben: the vibes are physically present.
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Mentally and spiritually.
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That's not a reflection on
this Very good show, though.
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That's just a reflection
on my mess of a life.
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Alicia: All right.
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So let's dive in.
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So the girls are going to join us for
a little bit of the podcast tonight.
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We wanted to hear from real life
kids opinions about this kid's show.
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So, Zuri, let's start with you.
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uh, What brings you to tonight's episode?
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Zuri: my mother.
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That's who brought me.
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Emily: just your mother.
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Ben: I also feel like a certain
other parent's getting off easy here.
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Zuri: I really enjoyed the show.
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I thought it was interesting.
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It has a lot of humor bits, but it also
has a lot of real life concepts mixed
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in somehow making it like perfect.
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Alicia: I agree.
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I think it's a pretty perfect show.
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Amara, can you tell us what Dead
end fair, normal park is about?
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Amara: Fair stuff.
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Ghosts, monsters,
basically just evil stuff.
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Alicia: Absolutely.
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Can you-
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Amara: Evil stuff that's
actually nice and talking stuff.
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Jeremy: So the main characters
are a ghost and a monster
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Alicia: No.
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So who are the main characters?
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Amara: Barney?
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Mm-hmm.
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Ugly.
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Who's a dog?
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A talking dog.
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A magic dog.
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A normal dog.
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Emily: Very good.
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Amara: The Norma, who is not
very normal there go very good.
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And she's very grown up.
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Alicia: Yes.
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Is there anything before you
go that you wanna say that you
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like or dislike about this show?
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Amara: I, I don't like that it's a
kids show and they put actual scary
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parts, but I do like how the, the scary
parts that aren't supposed to be scary
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are funny instead of just not scary.
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Yeah.
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And one of them was really sad, like
one of the parts, because in the first
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episode it's like, well, I'm not sure.
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You don't remember.
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So I do remember.
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I just don't wanna say it.
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Oh, okay.
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Is it too sad?
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So I don't know how to explain it.
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Oh, you
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Jeremy: Why didn't you just say it?
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Alicia: Actually, I
don't know how to say it.
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Okay.
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I dunno how to describe it.
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Okay.
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Who is your favorite character?
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Hmm.
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Zuri: My favorite character is Courtney.
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Alicia: You don't have to
lean into the microphone.
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N b A player style.
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Amara: Well now you have
to pick someone else.
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Jeremy: I'm only on this podcast
because I'm required to be,
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Alicia: That's exactly
Zoe's attitude right now.
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Go ahead.
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You can pick Courtney.
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Okay, good.
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Ben: Sarah is only here
so she doesn't get fined.
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Alicia: Yeah,
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Ben: She's Marsha.
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She's, giving us the full
Marsha on Lynch tonight.
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Amara: I picked Courtney
because she's kid-like.
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Alicia: Oh, Hmm.
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I can see that.
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Yeah.
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All right, so I did have two more
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Jeremy: hold on.
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I wanna know what Zuri
likes about Courtney.
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Alicia: Oh, yeah.
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Zuri: I think Courtney is a fun
character for comedy relief, but
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they also give her her own storyline.
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Amara: And her own song for some reason.
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Hmm.
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She has a song.
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Mm-hmm.
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Oh, I don't
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Zuri: has a verse in a song.
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Alicia: Oh, nice, nice.
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Amara: It's like the last episode.
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Because she gets her own song when
like Pugsley puts a curse on everybody.
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Mm.
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I remember.
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I remember.
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And then it's like, it goes so
far all the way over to the house.
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Alicia: Nice.
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All right.
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The last question that I wanted to
ask you all before you jump off is
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do any, do any of these episodes.
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Feature things that you're,
that actually make you scared,
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that are actually scary to you?
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Yes.
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Okay.
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Amara: The first episode where,
where she's in the mirrors.
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That one's pretty scared.
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Oh.
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But you wanna know the funniest part.
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I think about the first episode.
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Mm-hmm.
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The part where she's screaming
and the microphone comes too
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close, so she has to like push up.
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So it's got scary stuff and funny stuff.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That, that is pretty funny.
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Zuri: I'm not nearly as scared of
mirrors as Amara seems to be, but in the
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Alicia: Well, wait, wait, wait, wait.
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It's not the mirror she's afraid of.
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It's the person like in the
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Jeremy: the ghost in the mirrors.
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Alicia: Yeah.
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Zuri: Okay.
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Well, either way, in episode three
with harmony Norma's fear was of
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being judged and I, as a middle
schooler can relate to that.
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And also Pugsley sphere was vacuums,
and that's very valid as well.
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Alicia: You're afraid of vacuums?
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No, pugsley spears, vacuums.
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'cause he is a dog.
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Yeah.
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But zuri, are you afraid of vacuums?
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Zuri: not always, but sometimes
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Jeremy: just afraid of chores, huh?
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Amara: She is of torture.
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Alicia: Uri.
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Are you afraid of being tortured
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Zuri: Yes.
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Amara: like Courtney?
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Ben: I mean, that's a great fear.
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It's a very valid
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Zuri: I
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Ben: fear.
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Zuri: mean, Yeah.
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Amara: Courtney's basically being tortured
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Jeremy: Yeah.
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Nothing to fear, but torture.
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Ben: That is not a fear you
need to face or overcome.
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Just, just keep on
avoiding being tortured.
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Alicia: Okay, Ben, Emily, did any of
these episodes hit on any of your fears?
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Emily: Yeah.
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Well, there's, yes.
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thought of losing Pugsley yeah, the.
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Ben: Yeah.
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Emily: Yeah,
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Ben: Jeremy, Alicia, you, you know, I
don't, I don't do well with animal death.
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Emily: yeah.
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That was very upsetting.
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And also the, the, the episode
with harmony harm many where there
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was that fear of being judged.
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And I, there's a really good point Zuri
because it's not, I mean, Dorma is a
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fear of being judged, but so does Barney,
but in it's kind of a different way.
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Um,
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Ben: this isn't a, a different way
pertaining to work-life balances
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and the terror that is corporate
culture, but being forced to
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socialize outside the office,
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Zuri: Mm-hmm.
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Well, one is like being accepted by
your family and judged by the people
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that are close to you and others is
just strangers in general judging you.
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Ben: I just wanna know, are they
getting paid for that beach day?
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Alicia: I wanna know
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Ben: should be on the clock.
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Those should be billable hours.
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Alicia: is paying them?
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Emily: Yeah.
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That's a good question.
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Ben: question.
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Emily: Who arranged harm many
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to come and harm them?
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Amara: Well, I wanna know who's
paying them because like the
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owner of Phoenix Park is dead.
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So who is paying them?
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Because she's not paying them because
she's, because she's ghost and dead and
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she doesn't have any money apparently.
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Alicia: And then Courtney
is the one who hired them,
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Emily: Yeah.
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Alicia: but
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Jeremy: Courtney is a literal demon, which
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Ben: Yeah.
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Which they other characters just
assume is like a red, a horned person.
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Alicia: Yeah.
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Well you know what Pauline
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Phoenix always says if you
see something paranormal.
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Ben: Like yet
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Jeremy: it to yourself, sweetheart.
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Ben: of a reaction
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Alicia: Yep.
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Ben: to anything going on,
which I love this show.
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This is a very enjoyable show.
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But I guess if you drill it down to
as hard as we do in here, and maybe
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it all gets mixed, like I know there's
Lord and mythologies and mysteries.
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But that there is that little bit of
like, wait, how is this all working?
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Emily: Yeah,
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Ben: just like being on, just like, you
know, it takes you out of it a little bit.
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Zuri: You shouldn't
think about it too much.
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Ben: Yeah.
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Emily: Yeah.
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Absolutely.
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Well, I, I feel like
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Jeremy: it wouldn't be the,
Courtney wouldn't be the worst
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demon I've worked for, so.
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Emily: right?
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Yeah.
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Like, you know, some payroll somewhere,
especially amusement park payroll,
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I'm sure is all tied up with the,
the powers of demons and demon kind.
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So, whether it be automated or just some
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Ben: I mean,
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Emily: underworld horror, managing
everybody's bank account which I
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think isn't very far from reality.
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Ben: other things that scared me
in these episodes I am very scared
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for Barney's Health subsisting off
an entire amusement park food diet
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Alicia: yeah,
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Emily: yeah.
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Alicia: That's pretty
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Ben: that breakfast popcorn did not like.
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I am concerned,
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Emily: I think he learns
to cook eventually.
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I mean, there's a lot of things that we
don't see, but I think that, you know, he,
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Ben: I'm worried about there being
an open flame in that haunted house.
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There's no way there's a
working sprinkler system.
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Amara: I think it's kind of weird how
after he used the fountain as a bath.
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Oh, a bath just showed up.
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Yeah.
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That was weird.
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Emily: yeah,
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Zuri: don't worry
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about Barney's life.
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It's from Norma's perspective,
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Alicia: Hmm.
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Zuri: we don't, care about Barney.
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Alicia: What
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Emily: I care about Barney.
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Alicia: care about,
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Zuri: We should care about
Barney, but I don't know
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Jeremy: if we do.
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Ben: He's
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Amara: oh, you wanna know
the funniest episode to me?
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Hmm.
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The one where Pugsley just makes like a
lot about himself and then it's like a
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bunch of Pugsley just Oh, the one where
he, where Pugsley is like, Barney, Barney.
00:12:06.716 --> 00:12:07.536
Barney Barney, yeah.
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All over the place.
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Yeah.
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That's pretty good.
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All right.
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Ladies, Zuri Amara.
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If, let's say somebody likes Dead
End Paranormal Park as a certified
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kid, what else would you recommend
them reading, watching, playing,
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if they are fans of this show?
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What,
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Jeremy: If people like this,
what else should they watch?
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Alicia: or read Amara.
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You said something very interesting
when I asked you this earlier.
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What do you think people should
read if they like this show?
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Amara: So, there's, this show was
based off of a book, so I think
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maybe they should try buying that,
but I haven't really read it myself.
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I just know it's based off
the, the book, so, yeah.
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Yeah, I agree.
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I bet it's a like it
because I, it, I think so.
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Hold on, mom.
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Yeah.
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So you read something in your journal
and I wanna show them what- Well,
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can Zuri answer the question first
before you go showing my journal?
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Sure.
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One minute.
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Zuri: Um, my suggestions are probably
more for my age and up, or like
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a mature younger kid, so probably
parental supervision, but I was
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thinking a series of unfortunate events.
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Has that the funny and
scary and ironic bit?
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Alicia: The books or the TV show?
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Both.
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Zuri: I haven't read the books,
but I think the TV show on Netflix
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reminds me a lot of dead end.
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Alicia: Yeah, absolutely.
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I was gonna say Hilda, but we
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Zuri: Well, it's not exactly scary.
00:13:41.160 --> 00:13:41.940
Alicia: the trolls.
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Actually the trolls are just
really cute, but that's exactly
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what it turns out about.
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Courtney.
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She's a demon who's actually just cute.
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Anyway, Amara wanted to show
you my sketches that I did.
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Emily: Love them.
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I love them.
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I also, I sketched Courtney while I was
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Zuri: drew a puppy.
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Emily: well.
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Oh good.
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What kind of puppy?
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What
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Alicia: So every, everybody's sketches.
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Aww.
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Emily: Oh,
00:14:03.595 --> 00:14:04.165
Alicia: That's cute.
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All right, ladies.
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Goodnight.
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I love you night.
00:14:08.375 --> 00:14:08.825
Love you.
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Zuri: Goodnight.
00:14:10.285 --> 00:14:11.665
Emily: thank you for joining us.
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Jeremy: Love you.
00:14:14.597 --> 00:14:15.347
Emily: So sweet.
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Jeremy: Yes.
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Alicia: All right.
00:14:17.292 --> 00:14:19.032
So they are headed off upstairs.
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Night, night baby.
00:14:20.212 --> 00:14:25.937
And I did Barney Night, night, Barney,
Imar didn't mention it, but that was
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one of her favorite parts is like,
at the end of the first episode where
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tells Pugsley goodnight and Pugsley
just goes Night, night, Barney.
00:14:32.680 --> 00:14:37.120
so tonight we are talking about Dead End
Paranormal Park, the 2022 series uh, that
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has two seasons currently on Netflix.
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It is created by Hamish Steele, I mean,
it's got a wonderful cast in this show.
00:14:44.081 --> 00:14:44.796
We've got Zach.
00:14:44.840 --> 00:14:49.706
Barack, Cody Kavita, Emily
Osmond, Alex Brightman and Miss
00:14:49.711 --> 00:14:51.926
Coco, Peru as Pauline Phoenix.
00:14:52.406 --> 00:14:56.801
So each episode is about
26 to 27 minutes long.
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It is for ages seven plus.
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But it is kid horror, I would say.
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So I thought that it would be perfect to
talk about in August when we're thinking
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about getting ready to go back to school
and like, what can we watch on tv, what
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are some small bites that we can have.
00:15:13.516 --> 00:15:17.386
So I figured what I'd do is kind of
give a short recap of each episode
00:15:17.806 --> 00:15:21.256
and then give us some time to talk
about the episodes and then recap
00:15:21.656 --> 00:15:26.686
and then debrief instead of doing all
three episodes all the way across.
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I'm gonna try to not give
too many future spoilers.
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But first let me ask like, have you
watched the, did you watch the rest of the
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series or did you stop at three episodes?
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Ben: I was able to watch the first five
episodes in time for this podcast tonight.
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Emily: I was able to finish season one.
00:15:45.061 --> 00:15:48.411
So I'd actually watched up
to episode nine, which I
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think is the musical episode.
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Alicia: Okay.
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Emily: then I re-watched it because
I, I tried to keep my, get myself back
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on track with the, with the Meta Poot.
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And then I also re-watched the
first three episodes just to
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kind of get myself reacquainted.
00:16:01.466 --> 00:16:05.556
'cause I watched it back I think it was
earlier this year when I watched it first.
00:16:05.956 --> 00:16:10.876
So I have no idea what happens
in season two, but I, I do know
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what happens at the end of season
one, which was pretty interesting.
00:16:15.146 --> 00:16:17.216
But I won't spoil anything at this point.
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Ben: So really Emily did a much better
job preparing this week than I did.
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It still is the message.
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Emily: I had seen more of this show
initially, like I'd seen, watched it
00:16:28.080 --> 00:16:32.560
extracurricularly I can't remember
who brought it to me, but it was
00:16:32.560 --> 00:16:37.485
one of my younger friends who was
uh, tangentially associated with
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my class and, and artist community.
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So, I will say that I.
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Barney, the character looks like
and, has a similar life circumstance
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as a bunch of my students.
00:16:50.166 --> 00:16:51.156
So it was
00:16:51.206 --> 00:16:54.506
Ben: see, I see multiple
Barneys, every flame con,
00:16:55.046 --> 00:16:57.326
not intentional, cosplays just,
00:16:57.641 --> 00:16:58.181
Emily: Yeah,
00:16:58.766 --> 00:16:59.246
Ben: yeah,
00:16:59.646 --> 00:17:01.176
Alicia: Unintentional cosplay,
00:17:01.396 --> 00:17:01.906
Ben: Yeah.
00:17:02.306 --> 00:17:03.626
Cosplay in spirit.
00:17:04.026 --> 00:17:06.526
Emily: Whoever designed the
Barney character really, really
00:17:06.526 --> 00:17:08.326
knew who they were discussing.
00:17:08.726 --> 00:17:09.236
Alicia: Jeremy.
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Jeremy: Yeah, I, I agree.
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Um, I have seen all of both seasons
uh, with you and, and the girls.
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I forgot going back to these first three
episodes, how much stuff they say and lay
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out in those first couple episodes because
there's, you know, there's a lot of stuff
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that'll be picked up on later, but like,
we get a lot of information about both,
00:17:33.873 --> 00:17:37.003
you know, both Barney and Norma Courtney.
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I think they deal with a lot
more in the second season.
00:17:39.493 --> 00:17:44.066
But uh, yeah, we get a lot of stuff
about both of them right off the bat.
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I mean, I think the first episode is a
little more Barney's episode and the third
00:17:48.386 --> 00:17:53.996
episode is a little more Norma's and then
Pugsley gets a lot of the second episode.
00:17:54.326 --> 00:17:55.256
Ben: Yeah.
00:17:55.541 --> 00:17:55.931
Emily: Yeah.
00:17:56.331 --> 00:17:57.831
Jeremy: but yeah, it was,
it was interesting to me.
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There's there's so much stuff that
they sort of say off the bat it gets
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followed up on in those episodes and
a couple of places where I was like,
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Hey is this a metaphor for this?
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No, that's reductive.
00:18:09.010 --> 00:18:10.870
Oh no, the show just said
it's a metaphor for this.
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Got it.
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Ben: I mean, this is a show that
uses a talking dog as a metaphor
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for being trans, and it works.
00:18:21.370 --> 00:18:21.550
It
00:18:21.550 --> 00:18:22.150
works.
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Emily: Yeah, I, that was the one thing I
really, really wanted to talk about and
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discuss with y'all is the acceptance of
your dog's ability to talk, being some
00:18:32.190 --> 00:18:38.160
sort of allegory to the acceptance of or,
or your family's acceptance of transition.
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Jeremy: You wanna hold
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Off on that until the second
episode, since that's what basically
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Alicia: That is, yeah, that's
00:18:42.840 --> 00:18:43.230
Emily: yeah, that
00:18:43.230 --> 00:18:45.690
is the, that's, yeah,
that's the second episode.
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But the first episode um, does
start with Barney, like the first
00:18:49.978 --> 00:18:54.003
character, other than the horror
scene that kind of sets the tone.
00:18:54.033 --> 00:18:56.643
Ben: Starts with Barney using
enough hairspray to put a new
00:18:56.643 --> 00:18:58.383
hone like hole in the ozone layer.
00:18:58.788 --> 00:18:59.868
Alicia: yes.
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Yeah, I absolutely wanted
to talk about that.
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All right, so let's dive in.
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So episode one starts off with
a legitimate horror house.
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We start off with a woman running into
this haunted looking house, and she's
00:19:12.578 --> 00:19:18.238
like, ah, ah, and she does the whole
horror thing that everyone does where
00:19:18.238 --> 00:19:22.678
they run upstairs in a house and then
they fall on the stairs and then they
00:19:22.683 --> 00:19:27.448
like keep running and she gets to like
this hall of mirrors and she's like, oh,
00:19:27.448 --> 00:19:29.188
let me just fix my little blonde wig.
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I look nice.
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And then a horrible, like, figure like
shows up and the lights flash off.
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And that's how we start the show.
00:19:35.458 --> 00:19:39.688
And as Amara said, like that is the
part that legitimately frightens
00:19:39.693 --> 00:19:43.978
her, like, scary thing in mirrors,
which I get, I that would, that
00:19:43.978 --> 00:19:45.448
would get, it's, it's pretty.
00:19:45.868 --> 00:19:46.528
It's pretty creepy.
00:19:46.928 --> 00:19:52.218
So then we cut to Barney Guttman,
who is our main protagonist.
00:19:52.588 --> 00:19:58.488
Now I couldn't tell if Barney was spraying
his hair blue, like using um, hairspray
00:19:58.488 --> 00:20:03.228
dye or just spraying his hair so that
it would hold its cool upward shape.
00:20:03.228 --> 00:20:06.328
But either way, Barney
is spraying his hair.
00:20:06.328 --> 00:20:09.868
Barney is Jewish and
trans and loves his dog.
00:20:09.868 --> 00:20:10.378
Pugsley.
00:20:10.383 --> 00:20:14.055
These are the things that we find
out by the end of the first episode.
00:20:14.625 --> 00:20:16.965
And he also loves dinosaurs and wrestling.
00:20:17.240 --> 00:20:18.700
Ben: Who doesn't love dinosaurs?
00:20:18.885 --> 00:20:19.575
Emily: Very relatable.
00:20:20.655 --> 00:20:25.105
Ben: also I, I hope it's hairspray
because otherwise that is just like
00:20:25.495 --> 00:20:27.475
Alicia: That's a lot of blue dye
00:20:27.545 --> 00:20:28.155
Emily: Relatable.
00:20:28.155 --> 00:20:28.275
Yeah.
00:20:28.315 --> 00:20:32.935
Ben: Like that is just like hollow, like,
there's no legit spray dye like that.
00:20:32.935 --> 00:20:37.345
Is that fucking Halloween hair dye?
00:20:37.375 --> 00:20:37.665
Alicia: Yeah.
00:20:37.825 --> 00:20:41.175
We have some that like I would use
to spray my hair blue and green
00:20:41.175 --> 00:20:43.605
for game days at school, you know?
00:20:44.355 --> 00:20:44.685
Yeah.
00:20:44.685 --> 00:20:46.515
Nothing that stays like it.
00:20:46.695 --> 00:20:49.635
The red will look cool, but
it gets on everything else.
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And then your move, your bathroom
looks like a horror movie.
00:20:52.485 --> 00:20:53.085
Ben: yeah.
00:20:53.265 --> 00:20:58.495
So for the sake of like the laundry
machine, I hope it's just hairspray.
00:20:59.245 --> 00:20:59.695
Emily: Same.
00:20:59.875 --> 00:21:00.205
Same.
00:21:00.205 --> 00:21:01.135
Although there's a lot of hair.
00:21:01.135 --> 00:21:04.655
I mean like he seems to go
through that like once a day.
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Ben: about it.
00:21:05.335 --> 00:21:07.705
Like, Barney, did you
pack, you're running away.
00:21:07.710 --> 00:21:09.805
Did you pack it, change your clothes?
00:21:10.205 --> 00:21:12.245
Are you, you eat your food, your
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Alicia: Do you have enough hairspray?
00:21:15.400 --> 00:21:19.535
Ben: Barney did you, you did
not plan this like running away.
00:21:19.595 --> 00:21:20.285
Do you have a
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Alicia: not.
00:21:21.320 --> 00:21:23.570
Barney does not plan this running away.
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Well, so, we also open on
the song is from Caveman.
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And I cannot remember the name of the song
right now, but is it Caveman or Cave Town?
00:21:33.790 --> 00:21:34.510
Oh man,
00:21:34.750 --> 00:21:37.840
Jeremy: you had a bunch of
uh, cave town tabs open in
00:21:37.930 --> 00:21:38.530
Alicia: that's it.
00:21:38.800 --> 00:21:43.950
So the song that is playing is from Cave
Town and Cave Town is also a trans artist.
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So they picked a music by a trans
artist, um, to put into the show.
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So I think that's like another
little hint about Barney's identity.
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There is a human wanted for job flyer that
is on the wall that is signed by Courtney.
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And I love the aesthetics of this
human wanted for job because it
00:22:03.895 --> 00:22:08.536
totally looks like Courtney got
into like, word perfect or like, Ms.
00:22:08.541 --> 00:22:14.576
Paint like was doing like word art that
basically starts with hello fellow humans.
00:22:14.876 --> 00:22:19.526
And like one of the images on it is like a
business image and it even has a watermark
00:22:19.526 --> 00:22:23.216
on it because clearly Courtney has just
stolen it from the internet somewhere.
00:22:23.633 --> 00:22:25.103
Uh, To put up this flyer
00:22:25.482 --> 00:22:28.842
Ben: I wanna know what Kinkos Courtney
is going to to get these printed.
00:22:29.042 --> 00:22:31.592
Emily: Like there's a whole lot
of stuff provided at this park.
00:22:31.597 --> 00:22:36.432
I mean, the park has concession stands
and souvenir shops and things like that.
00:22:36.432 --> 00:22:41.482
Like, I don't know if someone's
made the survival reality show of
00:22:41.482 --> 00:22:44.632
like, can you live on everything
that's available at Disneyland?
00:22:45.032 --> 00:22:47.551
Terrifying, but
00:22:47.956 --> 00:22:48.706
Alicia: I watch it.
00:22:48.841 --> 00:22:49.441
Emily: possible.
00:22:49.441 --> 00:22:49.981
Yeah.
00:22:50.071 --> 00:22:50.491
Yeah,
00:22:50.721 --> 00:22:53.321
Ben: entire societies are
underneath Disneyland.
00:22:53.721 --> 00:22:54.261
Alicia: Yeah.
00:22:54.516 --> 00:22:55.116
Emily: yeah,
00:22:57.111 --> 00:22:59.691
Alicia: Pauline's theme park
is basically Dollywood, right?
00:22:59.691 --> 00:23:01.761
It's like a Dollywood parody.
00:23:02.121 --> 00:23:04.911
You know, Pauline is
this book some blonde.
00:23:06.176 --> 00:23:09.036
Ben: It's like if Dolly
Parton was also Elvira.
00:23:09.141 --> 00:23:10.041
Alicia: Exactly.
00:23:10.386 --> 00:23:11.046
Emily: Yes.
00:23:11.271 --> 00:23:16.701
Alicia: She has movies and music and
television shows, and it's got, I
00:23:16.701 --> 00:23:22.221
think, five um, zones that are all based
on different aspects of her career.
00:23:22.521 --> 00:23:27.291
And the other thing I love about
Pauline Phoenix is the fact that
00:23:27.291 --> 00:23:30.921
she's got this really country accent,
except for occasionally when it
00:23:30.921 --> 00:23:36.471
slips and she says things like You
all and sit right next to Darling.
00:23:36.501 --> 00:23:40.991
And it's like, oh my, like Pauline,
everything about Pauline is like,
00:23:41.887 --> 00:23:44.647
Emily: The whole Atlantic coastline?
00:23:44.857 --> 00:23:45.577
Her.
00:23:47.842 --> 00:23:49.162
Alicia: She's like, Moira Rose.
00:23:49.167 --> 00:23:53.032
Just like this indistinguishable
accent that you could tell Izzy put on.
00:23:53.037 --> 00:23:53.962
But what is it?
00:23:54.292 --> 00:23:54.562
What?
00:23:54.682 --> 00:23:55.612
What did she put on?
00:23:55.612 --> 00:23:56.272
We don't know.
00:23:56.827 --> 00:23:57.067
Emily: Not
00:23:57.197 --> 00:24:01.687
Jeremy: I, I had about Pauline throughout
is, is Pauline supposed to be a drag
00:24:01.687 --> 00:24:07.937
queen or is she just supposed to be the
sort of real woman that drag queens like
00:24:07.937 --> 00:24:10.457
to base their, their personas off of?
00:24:10.487 --> 00:24:14.087
Because she is giving heavy
drag queen vibes and she is.
00:24:14.702 --> 00:24:16.622
She is voiced by a drag queen.
00:24:17.012 --> 00:24:20.282
And I, I, I could never figure
out which it was supposed to be.
00:24:20.532 --> 00:24:22.862
Alicia: But is the character a drag queen?
00:24:22.862 --> 00:24:23.912
Is that what you're asking?
00:24:24.452 --> 00:24:24.722
Yeah.
00:24:24.722 --> 00:24:26.192
I wondered that as well.
00:24:26.192 --> 00:24:28.352
But what I think later.
00:24:28.752 --> 00:24:33.762
At, at another episode we learned
that Pauline's been working in like
00:24:34.122 --> 00:24:35.802
television since she was a baby.
00:24:36.132 --> 00:24:39.472
She looked the exact same as
a baby, so I think that's like
00:24:39.872 --> 00:24:40.112
Emily: Yeah.
00:24:40.112 --> 00:24:42.782
I think especially considering
where they, the directions that
00:24:42.782 --> 00:24:43.922
they go with the character.
00:24:44.402 --> 00:24:48.662
You know, I don't, I don't mind
having a, a drag queen character
00:24:48.667 --> 00:24:51.822
that is as over the top as she is.
00:24:52.212 --> 00:24:56.782
But I do, I think, Honestly, I think
she's, what the la the latter of
00:24:56.782 --> 00:25:00.721
what Jeremy said is she is the kind
of character, like a fare caricature
00:25:01.231 --> 00:25:06.441
woman who is like, say, I should
say actress a caricature actress
00:25:06.651 --> 00:25:10.901
that a lot of drag queens emulate
because of the size of her hair.
00:25:11.681 --> 00:25:14.501
But, I mean, I did think like, at, at the
00:25:14.501 --> 00:25:15.131
beginning.
00:25:15.236 --> 00:25:16.416
Ben: in a far side cartoon.
00:25:16.566 --> 00:25:17.096
That hair,
00:25:17.741 --> 00:25:18.821
Emily: Yeah, yeah.
00:25:18.821 --> 00:25:21.251
Or like in Mars attacks or
00:25:21.346 --> 00:25:24.226
Ben: with the kids making far side jokes.
00:25:24.791 --> 00:25:25.121
Emily: Yeah.
00:25:25.721 --> 00:25:26.981
Kids love Farside.
00:25:27.401 --> 00:25:31.721
The the, at, at first I was really
hopeful that she was a drag queen
00:25:31.751 --> 00:25:34.091
because of those, those vibes.
00:25:34.091 --> 00:25:37.481
But her character is a lot more Hollywood.
00:25:38.361 --> 00:25:41.571
Not to say that drag queens aren't,
but they are in a different way.
00:25:41.991 --> 00:25:46.801
Um, she's, she's a lot more
old school Hollywood than,
00:25:46.846 --> 00:25:50.566
Ben: I got a very classic gay icon
00:25:50.821 --> 00:25:51.601
Emily: yeah, yeah,
00:25:51.801 --> 00:25:53.906
Ben: from her, you know, in
00:25:54.191 --> 00:25:54.971
Alicia: So you think she's just
00:25:55.016 --> 00:25:56.936
Ben: of her screaming,
00:25:57.431 --> 00:25:57.911
Emily: yeah.
00:25:58.061 --> 00:25:58.751
Or uh,
00:25:58.801 --> 00:25:59.041
Ben: Shannon.
00:25:59.041 --> 00:26:02.601
I would, but you know, just in
that kind of like Liza Minelli way,
00:26:03.146 --> 00:26:03.446
Alicia: Yeah.
00:26:03.896 --> 00:26:04.376
Emily: yeah.
00:26:05.036 --> 00:26:05.416
Yeah.
00:26:05.713 --> 00:26:09.900
Alicia: So Barney is getting ready
for this job interview and nearby
00:26:10.130 --> 00:26:15.680
, Norma Khan is also in a room in her
bedroom, is full of Pauline Phoenix
00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:18.840
memorabilia as well as that same flyer.
00:26:18.845 --> 00:26:23.400
So Barney's Room has like
dinosaur poster wrestling poster.
00:26:23.800 --> 00:26:26.800
Norma's room is just head
to toe, Pauline Phoenix.
00:26:26.800 --> 00:26:28.840
Like this is her obsession.
00:26:29.055 --> 00:26:29.345
Ben: does
00:26:29.410 --> 00:26:31.420
Name count as something scary?
00:26:31.420 --> 00:26:34.990
If it brings up memories of
being snapped at and told, why
00:26:34.990 --> 00:26:36.700
can't you just be a normal con?
00:26:36.865 --> 00:26:37.975
Emily: Uh hmm.
00:26:38.565 --> 00:26:40.515
Ben: Or is that a little
too specific to me?
00:26:40.915 --> 00:26:44.185
Emily: I think we can get specific,
if you're cool with getting specific,
00:26:44.585 --> 00:26:45.815
Alicia: A normal con.
00:26:46.025 --> 00:26:47.375
You're a great con.
00:26:47.767 --> 00:26:48.967
Emily: You're an ideal con.
00:26:49.117 --> 00:26:52.537
Alicia: Yeah, you're an, you're an icon.
00:26:54.727 --> 00:26:55.717
Emily: That's so good.
00:26:55.852 --> 00:26:56.752
Ben: I love it.
00:26:56.797 --> 00:26:57.727
Emily: That's really good.
00:26:58.267 --> 00:26:59.797
I'm mad that I didn't think of that.
00:27:01.747 --> 00:27:05.402
Alicia: Okay, so Barney identifies
his fear of confrontation.
00:27:05.432 --> 00:27:09.692
Like, when talking to his mother about
like, what is my biggest, personality
00:27:09.692 --> 00:27:11.882
flaw as he's preparing for this interview.
00:27:12.282 --> 00:27:15.882
And then immediately turns around and
lets his mom know that he won't be
00:27:15.887 --> 00:27:20.212
confronting Grammy Graham who's coming
over for cheese list, mac and cheese.
00:27:20.812 --> 00:27:24.352
Because Grammy Graham is
not ready to accept Barney.
00:27:24.742 --> 00:27:28.492
And that's kind of the first hint
that we get that Barney is trans.
00:27:28.612 --> 00:27:31.972
Ben: I I kind of feel like even beyond
that cheese list, mac and cheese is a
00:27:31.972 --> 00:27:34.042
valid enough reason to run away from home.
00:27:34.442 --> 00:27:36.482
Alicia: He, he wanted the
cheese, mac and cheese.
00:27:36.882 --> 00:27:38.382
His mom said it's his favorite.
00:27:38.782 --> 00:27:40.072
Emily: is Barney vegan?
00:27:40.102 --> 00:27:40.492
Like is
00:27:40.552 --> 00:27:40.702
Ben: Yeah.
00:27:40.702 --> 00:27:41.699
is Bar vegan
00:27:42.012 --> 00:27:42.912
Alicia: was wondering that too.
00:27:42.912 --> 00:27:44.772
I was like, wait, is Barney vegan?
00:27:45.172 --> 00:27:48.802
And like later he has a nightmare
about having to eat brisket.
00:27:49.102 --> 00:27:52.182
So I was laying maybe, but I don't know.
00:27:52.422 --> 00:27:55.632
Emily: which makes uh, living
at that theme park even that's
00:27:55.632 --> 00:27:58.062
just another layer of intensity.
00:27:58.212 --> 00:27:59.622
Ben: is Popcorn Vegan?
00:28:00.162 --> 00:28:01.962
Alicia: I mean, yes, until you had butter.
00:28:02.322 --> 00:28:02.832
Emily: yeah.
00:28:02.892 --> 00:28:03.342
Yeah.
00:28:03.742 --> 00:28:05.572
You can make popcorn with olive oil.
00:28:05.707 --> 00:28:09.577
Alicia: Yeah, you can make, I've made
popcorn with sunflower oil and uh,
00:28:09.853 --> 00:28:10.783
Ben: is chicken par vegan?
00:28:11.254 --> 00:28:16.294
Alicia: and everybody says that like,
nutritional and yeast tastes cheesy.
00:28:16.504 --> 00:28:18.364
That's a lie that vegans tell.
00:28:18.664 --> 00:28:19.114
Okay.
00:28:19.114 --> 00:28:22.804
It doesn't, they just haven't eaten cheese
in a while because I was like, okay, let
00:28:22.804 --> 00:28:26.734
me buy this big bucket of nutritional
yeast and sprinkle it on my popcorn.
00:28:26.734 --> 00:28:30.194
And I was not happy with the result
00:28:30.594 --> 00:28:31.014
anyway.
00:28:31.179 --> 00:28:31.469
Emily: Have
00:28:31.469 --> 00:28:31.589
you
00:28:31.824 --> 00:28:34.674
Jeremy: a moment for
about Norma's mom, Swathi?
00:28:35.074 --> 00:28:35.824
Alicia: Oh, yeah.
00:28:36.304 --> 00:28:36.874
Yeah.
00:28:37.174 --> 00:28:40.370
Because while Barney's mom is
like, passively supportive, like,
00:28:40.400 --> 00:28:43.370
oh, you're going out for that
job, it'll probably be fine.
00:28:43.375 --> 00:28:48.170
Oh, you know, Grammy Graham isn't
ready to accept your new identity.
00:28:48.170 --> 00:28:49.640
You know, she's kind of reticent.
00:28:50.452 --> 00:28:51.802
Norma's mom is like
00:28:52.162 --> 00:28:53.302
Jeremy: the most supportive?
00:28:53.572 --> 00:28:53.632
Alicia: the
00:28:53.827 --> 00:28:55.117
Ben: So supportive,
00:28:55.402 --> 00:28:56.302
Alicia: too supportive.
00:28:56.497 --> 00:28:59.437
Ben: Norma's Mom is here to
like chew bubble gum and be
00:28:59.442 --> 00:29:01.447
supportive and she's all outta gum.
00:29:02.137 --> 00:29:02.227
Emily: Right.
00:29:02.692 --> 00:29:03.082
Jeremy: Yeah.
00:29:03.087 --> 00:29:05.812
It, it was interesting to me when Alicia
and I were watching this, I was talking
00:29:05.817 --> 00:29:10.972
about what sort of like a reversal of the
stereotype of the South Asian mom she is.
00:29:11.512 --> 00:29:14.572
'cause you know, she's, she's
fine with her kid living with her.
00:29:14.572 --> 00:29:15.652
That's not the problem.
00:29:15.652 --> 00:29:20.239
She just wants her to go out there and
make friends and, you know, be social.
00:29:20.704 --> 00:29:25.024
Ben: I'm glad I watched far enough to
get to the Christmas in July to establish
00:29:25.564 --> 00:29:27.754
that this takes place during the summer.
00:29:27.934 --> 00:29:31.864
'cause I also had the thought of, wait,
did Barney just dropped outta school?
00:29:32.264 --> 00:29:34.004
Is Barney now just a straight up.
00:29:34.404 --> 00:29:36.654
Teenage runaway who dropped out of school.
00:29:37.054 --> 00:29:41.224
Alicia: So I believe that in the
books Barney is 20 and I think
00:29:41.224 --> 00:29:44.794
that Canonically, he's supposed
to be 17 when the show starts.
00:29:45.209 --> 00:29:47.069
Jeremy: Yeah, they aged
them down for the show.
00:29:47.599 --> 00:29:50.324
'
Ben: cause I was getting
real, like 16 vibes from
00:29:50.324 --> 00:29:50.444
the
00:29:50.534 --> 00:29:51.344
Alicia: was too.
00:29:51.747 --> 00:29:55.973
so skipping ahead a little bit we were
introduced to Norma's paralyzing fear of
00:29:55.973 --> 00:30:00.406
people when Barney and her both get on
the same bus and she becomes convinced
00:30:00.406 --> 00:30:05.276
that, oh, I forgot, Barney leaves out
of the house and Pugsley comes with
00:30:05.276 --> 00:30:09.776
him and like makes very sad face until
Barney agrees to take Pley with him.
00:30:10.206 --> 00:30:10.426
Ben: Aw.
00:30:11.126 --> 00:30:14.966
Alicia: So, yeah, so Barney and Pugsley
are on the bus to go to this interview
00:30:15.446 --> 00:30:19.436
and Norma's like, oh, I'm sitting next to
this weird guy who's talking to himself.
00:30:19.436 --> 00:30:21.476
And Barney says, you're the
only one talking to yourself.
00:30:21.476 --> 00:30:21.836
Norma.
00:30:21.841 --> 00:30:23.936
And Norma flips out and goes,
how did you know my name?
00:30:24.356 --> 00:30:27.236
And Barney was like, ah,
we were lab partners.
00:30:27.236 --> 00:30:29.666
I was, we've gone to school together.
00:30:29.666 --> 00:30:31.016
You've lived down the street.
00:30:31.016 --> 00:30:33.086
And she's like, I'm bad
with names and faces.
00:30:33.486 --> 00:30:39.716
And I think that is one of the reasons
why Barney feels comfortable with
00:30:39.721 --> 00:30:46.436
her, because Barney can literally be
himself with her because she does not
00:30:46.436 --> 00:30:49.166
remember Barney at all from school.
00:30:49.436 --> 00:30:54.536
'cause she was not like paying attention
to who he was or his past identity.
00:30:55.016 --> 00:30:56.336
So she was like, oh, okay.
00:30:56.608 --> 00:31:00.446
Jeremy: they'll deal with this a lot
more in, Episode three, and then in,
00:31:00.446 --> 00:31:02.546
in future episodes down the line.
00:31:02.576 --> 00:31:05.996
But like Norma is a really
interesting, intentional
00:31:05.996 --> 00:31:07.796
depiction of somebody with autism.
00:31:08.206 --> 00:31:13.834
Because like she hyper fixates
and she has, uh, social anxiety.
00:31:13.834 --> 00:31:17.858
She doesn't know how to deal with
people and she feels like an autistic
00:31:17.858 --> 00:31:22.148
character written by an autistic
author to me, I feel like, yeah,
00:31:22.364 --> 00:31:27.064
Ben: But how she felt, nothing like the
clips of the good doctor that I've seen.
00:31:27.494 --> 00:31:27.714
Emily: Oh
00:31:28.114 --> 00:31:28.414
Ben: She
00:31:28.414 --> 00:31:30.394
didn't have any fights with Dr.
00:31:30.814 --> 00:31:31.054
Hanh,
00:31:31.504 --> 00:31:33.124
Alicia: no, I saw that clip.
00:31:33.124 --> 00:31:34.684
It was so terrible.
00:31:34.869 --> 00:31:35.944
Ben: of the most watched shows in
00:31:36.236 --> 00:31:39.644
Alicia: But she even says something
about like, if I don't get this job
00:31:39.684 --> 00:31:43.314
you know, what else will I spend
the next 15 years hyper fixating on?
00:31:43.314 --> 00:31:46.614
So, like, she's very clear about
00:31:46.904 --> 00:31:50.444
Ben: No, I loved episode three
and the focus on her anxiety.
00:31:51.269 --> 00:31:51.569
Emily: Yeah.
00:31:52.019 --> 00:31:54.899
Jeremy: a good doctor has six seasons
and has been renewed for a seventh,
00:31:55.374 --> 00:31:56.514
Alicia: This really bothers you.
00:31:56.604 --> 00:31:58.854
We've talked about this multiple times.
00:31:59.065 --> 00:32:00.115
Emily: bothers me too.
00:32:00.475 --> 00:32:01.405
I haven't even seen it.
00:32:01.704 --> 00:32:05.561
Alicia: So, everyone, let's just take a
break for a second to talk about Jeremy's
00:32:05.561 --> 00:32:12.411
bafflement Absolute bafflement over
the fact that perfectly good shows like
00:32:12.798 --> 00:32:19.203
grand Crew get canceled after two seasons
or The Babysitter's Club on Netflix.
00:32:19.603 --> 00:32:20.683
I really love that show.
00:32:20.816 --> 00:32:26.096
While shows that we would never,
ever watch and see nothing but people
00:32:26.101 --> 00:32:28.746
making fun of seem to have six seasons,
00:32:29.006 --> 00:32:34.183
Ben: there are, there are so many
shows that still keep like network
00:32:34.183 --> 00:32:39.103
television going that are still some of
the most watched shows in the country
00:32:39.433 --> 00:32:45.923
by sheer virtue of there are still
tens of millions of people who through
00:32:45.953 --> 00:32:51.543
age or whatever other reason, Do not
and will not know how streaming works.
00:32:51.943 --> 00:32:56.233
They know how to turn on the TV and they
know how to flip through 13 channels
00:32:56.413 --> 00:32:58.633
and that's as far as they're getting.
00:32:59.023 --> 00:33:04.863
So if what you get is c s I
crypto division, then c s I crypto
00:33:04.863 --> 00:33:08.433
starring Atom Driver is gonna be
the most watched show in America.
00:33:08.533 --> 00:33:12.013
Alicia: Wait, why am I interested in
what C S I crypto division looks like?
00:33:12.018 --> 00:33:12.223
Wait,
00:33:12.273 --> 00:33:14.043
Ben: It's starring Adam Driver.
00:33:14.043 --> 00:33:15.813
How could you not be interested?
00:33:16.128 --> 00:33:16.758
Emily: I know, right?
00:33:16.758 --> 00:33:18.258
Like, I'm like, wait,
whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
00:33:18.258 --> 00:33:18.708
Hold up.
00:33:19.783 --> 00:33:20.353
Alicia: Pump the brakes.
00:33:20.358 --> 00:33:20.893
Pump the brakes.
00:33:21.283 --> 00:33:24.353
Emily: Yeah, no, like I think
it's a testament to just how large
00:33:24.353 --> 00:33:26.273
and divided our country really is
00:33:28.223 --> 00:33:28.643
that this
00:33:28.663 --> 00:33:33.038
Ben: don't forget how long that like Jag
the show about Navy lawyers doing whatever
00:33:33.038 --> 00:33:36.608
the fuck Navy lawyers do was like 13
00:33:36.608 --> 00:33:37.298
seasons.
00:33:37.668 --> 00:33:38.208
Alicia: the truth.
00:33:38.608 --> 00:33:39.058
They tell
00:33:39.303 --> 00:33:41.073
Jeremy: They don't even
say that in that show.
00:33:41.368 --> 00:33:41.668
Alicia: the truth.
00:33:42.058 --> 00:33:42.178
Emily: I
00:33:42.328 --> 00:33:48.028
Jeremy: Listen, in between 2017
and 2018, the Good Doctor and
00:33:48.028 --> 00:33:49.978
the resident both launched.
00:33:50.278 --> 00:33:52.838
The resident has finally thanked.
00:33:52.838 --> 00:33:53.498
God ended.
00:33:53.498 --> 00:33:54.638
Its six seasons.
00:33:54.818 --> 00:33:57.248
The Good Doctor is still going into seven.
00:33:58.043 --> 00:33:58.343
Ben: They
00:33:58.568 --> 00:34:00.278
Jeremy: of these shows are
medical dramas and both of
00:34:00.278 --> 00:34:02.498
these shows are objectively bad.
00:34:02.908 --> 00:34:04.888
Alicia: Have you watched any, any of them?
00:34:04.923 --> 00:34:05.703
Jeremy: Yes.
00:34:06.603 --> 00:34:09.813
I've watched the first couple
episodes of both of those, and
00:34:09.813 --> 00:34:11.553
that was more than enough for me.
00:34:11.553 --> 00:34:12.153
You watched The
00:34:12.158 --> 00:34:12.723
Resident?
00:34:13.067 --> 00:34:17.057
Alicia: I, I thought, was that the one
with, with the Logan from Gilmore girls.
00:34:17.877 --> 00:34:21.232
Jeremy: from Gilmore Girls Going,
no, the Good Doctor is the one
00:34:21.232 --> 00:34:22.672
with the doctor that has autism.
00:34:23.082 --> 00:34:25.242
Alicia: I thought he was just
a new character on the one
00:34:25.397 --> 00:34:25.697
Jeremy: No,
00:34:26.027 --> 00:34:30.857
Ben: just insane to me that that's a
premise that someone walked into him and
00:34:30.857 --> 00:34:33.967
was like, he's a doctor, but hold on.
00:34:34.357 --> 00:34:36.607
Fucking strap in hold onto your plots.
00:34:36.797 --> 00:34:38.477
He's autistic.
00:34:38.892 --> 00:34:38.982
Alicia: Whoa.
00:34:39.197 --> 00:34:44.897
Jeremy: and it's like, it's literally,
it's literally a baby step above.
00:34:45.047 --> 00:34:46.817
What if Rainman was a doctor?
00:34:47.087 --> 00:34:49.107
Like it's that close.
00:34:49.497 --> 00:34:49.887
Emily: Oh my
00:34:49.972 --> 00:34:52.522
Alicia: autistic doctors
upset about this depiction?
00:34:52.522 --> 00:34:53.242
They should be.
00:34:53.482 --> 00:34:56.122
Emily: There's doctors and then
there's also autistic people.
00:34:56.512 --> 00:34:58.762
Jeremy: So doctors have been
distracted for the last couple of
00:34:58.877 --> 00:35:01.487
Alicia: doctors who are
autistic people, I'm sure
00:35:01.732 --> 00:35:02.062
Emily: I know.
00:35:02.067 --> 00:35:03.232
I, I absolutely That
00:35:03.322 --> 00:35:03.502
Ben: Yeah.
00:35:03.507 --> 00:35:05.542
There's gotta be a center
of that Venn diagram.
00:35:05.872 --> 00:35:06.322
Alicia: All right.
00:35:06.322 --> 00:35:10.462
So we meet Barney, we meet Norma,
we meet Pugsley, and we also then
00:35:10.462 --> 00:35:15.202
eventually meet Courtney as they finally
get to this spooky looking theme park.
00:35:15.207 --> 00:35:19.582
I mean, Pauline Phoenix's theme park
looks like it's abandoned and falling
00:35:19.582 --> 00:35:24.092
apart, but later we discover that lots
of people go there and it's just all
00:35:24.092 --> 00:35:26.312
theme parks are creepy after hours.
00:35:26.312 --> 00:35:26.612
I,
00:35:26.872 --> 00:35:29.992
Jeremy: I think it's just this
one part of it that's closed now.
00:35:30.592 --> 00:35:31.042
Uh, like
00:35:31.107 --> 00:35:31.927
Emily: The, the horror
00:35:32.062 --> 00:35:33.502
Jeremy: the part where
the girl disappeared.
00:35:33.802 --> 00:35:34.552
Presumed at,
00:35:35.462 --> 00:35:38.762
Alicia: meet Courtney and Courtney's
a little red demon uh, looking to trap
00:35:38.762 --> 00:35:41.252
humans as offerings to be a new casing
00:35:41.602 --> 00:35:42.082
Jeremy: foisted
00:35:42.087 --> 00:35:43.372
by Hannah Montana's.
00:35:43.460 --> 00:35:45.040
Emily Osmond, I just have to say
00:35:45.340 --> 00:35:45.630
Emily: Okay.
00:35:45.740 --> 00:35:46.380
Jeremy: a literal demon.
00:35:46.990 --> 00:35:50.360
Emily: there were some threads
and now they're connected.
00:35:50.760 --> 00:35:51.300
Continue
00:35:51.695 --> 00:35:52.135
Alicia: all right.
00:35:52.135 --> 00:35:55.765
So we also meet Courtney, who's a little
red demon, who is looking to trap humans
00:35:56.095 --> 00:36:01.315
to become offerings uh, to be a new
lake meat casing for uh, the demon king
00:36:01.725 --> 00:36:02.835
Emily: Timal Lucas.
00:36:03.417 --> 00:36:08.547
Alicia: I keep wanting to say TEUs,
who is Odysseus and Penelope son, and
00:36:08.547 --> 00:36:12.117
tele Amicus just keeps, like, trying to
come out my mouth, but it's Teal Lucas.
00:36:12.370 --> 00:36:14.080
uh, It's clearly a trap.
00:36:14.230 --> 00:36:15.580
She has clearly lured them there.
00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:23.070
And she's about to put Tamal Lucas inside
of Barney when Pugsley gathers all of
00:36:23.070 --> 00:36:27.370
his little pug courage and jumps in to
save Barney and gets hit with the blast.
00:36:27.370 --> 00:36:29.290
And I'm sure that Ben, this, like
00:36:29.730 --> 00:36:34.120
Ben: Well, I really did not like the,
even a little bit of death fake out.
00:36:34.480 --> 00:36:39.557
But where I then thought this show was
going was, oh, the devil's trapped in this
00:36:39.557 --> 00:36:45.707
dog body and we got a grim adventures of
Billy and Mandy type situation going on.
00:36:46.037 --> 00:36:46.387
Emily: Right.
00:36:46.787 --> 00:36:48.517
Ben: Not, not, not the case.
00:36:48.577 --> 00:36:49.087
Alicia: well,
00:36:49.220 --> 00:36:50.560
Ben: I like that there's cleverness.
00:36:50.560 --> 00:36:54.710
'cause you know, wa I w I feel like
that it's a little too easy sometimes
00:36:54.710 --> 00:37:00.710
for the show to veer into, and then
Pugsley uses his powers to save the day.
00:37:01.110 --> 00:37:05.710
So I like when they are a little
more clever, like how figuring out
00:37:05.710 --> 00:37:12.400
the photo can get uh, tele petro,
you know, uh, Petros out of Pugsley.
00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:17.100
And episode three where they, I
don't know, weaponize anxiety.
00:37:18.385 --> 00:37:18.835
Alicia: Yeah.
00:37:18.835 --> 00:37:24.702
So, um, Tamal Lucas gets in Pugsley,
they spend the rest of the episode trying
00:37:24.702 --> 00:37:29.902
to get him out and he has says something
like, no photographs and they end up
00:37:29.907 --> 00:37:36.482
using a giant, like a ride photograph like
auto photograph to take a picture of him.
00:37:36.482 --> 00:37:40.052
But there's a tiny little piece of
Tamal Lucas still stuck in Barney
00:37:40.182 --> 00:37:40.882
Emily: in Pugsley.
00:37:41.179 --> 00:37:43.099
Alicia: yeah, not in Barney, in Pugsley.
00:37:43.442 --> 00:37:45.932
that's what we find out when
Barney says goodnight Pugsley.
00:37:45.932 --> 00:37:49.292
And then Pugsley goes, night night,
Barney in the sweetest, cutest
00:37:49.292 --> 00:37:51.242
little voice of Alex b Brightman.
00:37:51.552 --> 00:37:56.482
This is also the episode where
when Pugsley like is possessed
00:37:56.482 --> 00:37:58.702
and flies off to go find a throne.
00:37:59.222 --> 00:38:00.627
And Barney runs after him.
00:38:00.867 --> 00:38:05.307
Norma calls her mom and she's like,
I, she doesn't care about Pugsley.
00:38:05.337 --> 00:38:06.627
She's like, he's a dog.
00:38:07.017 --> 00:38:07.857
We could just leave.
00:38:07.857 --> 00:38:10.957
But she does care about the park
and she does care about what
00:38:10.957 --> 00:38:12.607
Pauline Phoenix is gonna think.
00:38:12.817 --> 00:38:15.767
So she goes off to try and save the day.
00:38:15.890 --> 00:38:21.140
Emily: Norma's writing is nuanced in
a way that , I was not expecting from
00:38:21.380 --> 00:38:23.270
a show for, you know, TV y seven.
00:38:23.670 --> 00:38:29.460
Also there is a point where Tamal
Lucas is fully possessing Pugsley.
00:38:29.490 --> 00:38:32.160
And he asks, essentially,
take me to your king.
00:38:32.560 --> 00:38:37.320
And they have to sort of, split some
hairs being like, we're not a monarchy.
00:38:37.620 --> 00:38:43.200
And he clarifies, take me to
your leader so I can eat him.
00:38:43.500 --> 00:38:48.010
And immediately Norma's like, oh yeah,
there's a White House over there.
00:38:50.140 --> 00:38:51.100
knock yourself
00:38:51.185 --> 00:38:52.955
Alicia: It's right, it's
right down that way.
00:38:53.470 --> 00:38:54.010
Emily: yeah.
00:38:54.070 --> 00:38:57.370
Which I think is like, it's, it's
kind of a throwaway line, but I
00:38:57.370 --> 00:38:58.660
think it's also very powerful.
00:38:58.660 --> 00:38:59.530
So, you know,
00:39:00.095 --> 00:39:00.365
Alicia: Yeah.
00:39:00.395 --> 00:39:03.462
Other, jokes that like
find their way into here.
00:39:03.702 --> 00:39:07.592
So Pugsley as Tim Lucas can fly and.
00:39:07.992 --> 00:39:08.802
To escape him.
00:39:08.802 --> 00:39:13.482
They jump in a log flume ride
and pugsley flies after them and
00:39:13.482 --> 00:39:15.132
jumps into the next log flume.
00:39:15.682 --> 00:39:19.812
Like instead of just flying to where
they are, he jumps in the next one so
00:39:19.812 --> 00:39:24.202
that they're very slowly, like, he's like
throwing magic at them while they're both
00:39:24.202 --> 00:39:26.452
in separate logs floating down the river.
00:39:26.932 --> 00:39:27.622
That made me laugh.
00:39:27.902 --> 00:39:30.452
Courtney ends up offering them a job.
00:39:30.852 --> 00:39:34.932
She says it's to protect her from other
demons and they need to be security, but
00:39:35.352 --> 00:39:39.192
really it's because she wants to keep
Pugsley close because she feels like she
00:39:39.192 --> 00:39:41.142
can figure out a way to free Tamal Lucas.
00:39:41.142 --> 00:39:43.872
And if she does that, then
he will help her get home.
00:39:44.332 --> 00:39:47.512
We find out that she's been
banished from her hell realm
00:39:47.992 --> 00:39:49.762
and that is her main motivation.
00:39:49.762 --> 00:39:52.012
So at this point, that's
the end of episode one.
00:39:52.012 --> 00:39:54.772
Are there any other observations
that you wanted to make before
00:39:54.772 --> 00:39:56.302
I jump into episode two?
00:39:56.692 --> 00:39:58.782
Emily: Lenderman makes a cameo and.
00:39:59.349 --> 00:40:02.529
Alicia: What's up with the paper
over his face that really disturbs
00:40:02.639 --> 00:40:05.699
Ben: that was gonna be
a more relevant monster.
00:40:06.422 --> 00:40:11.625
Emily: Yeah, the, I feel like the,
daddy picture over his face, it's like
00:40:11.625 --> 00:40:14.055
a kid's drawing of like me and Daddy.
00:40:14.055 --> 00:40:18.015
And I think that that's a, a
reference to deep slenderman lore.
00:40:18.415 --> 00:40:21.295
And I know we did Marble Horn
minutes about a year ago.
00:40:21.345 --> 00:40:25.035
I, you know, I collect this information
for the podcast and then I regurgitate
00:40:25.035 --> 00:40:26.325
for the podcast and now I can't
00:40:26.370 --> 00:40:29.910
Ben: I think it's more that it doesn't
do anything with the Slender Man.
00:40:29.910 --> 00:40:32.800
It's just there and then it's not there.
00:40:34.615 --> 00:40:34.795
Emily: Yeah.
00:40:34.795 --> 00:40:38.585
The Slenderman gets, gets got for
trying to take the photo, which
00:40:38.705 --> 00:40:42.635
alerts Norma to the photo weakness,
whereas the, the photograph takes
00:40:42.890 --> 00:40:43.340
Ben: right, right.
00:40:43.665 --> 00:40:47.575
Emily: And I do wanna
know whose phone that is.
00:40:47.675 --> 00:40:49.550
Alicia: wanna Who calling him?
00:40:49.690 --> 00:40:54.240
Ben: Presumably his phone may, well,
I, I mean maybe it's like a, it's
00:40:54.240 --> 00:40:56.490
a health phone, demon realm phone.
00:40:57.045 --> 00:40:58.665
Emily: either that or it's
the phone that belonged
00:40:58.665 --> 00:40:59.115
to one of the
00:40:59.220 --> 00:40:59.460
Ben: they,
00:40:59.460 --> 00:40:59.910
they have
00:40:59.925 --> 00:41:00.885
Emily: park employees.
00:41:01.215 --> 00:41:01.725
Yeah.
00:41:02.125 --> 00:41:03.865
Ben: he won it in a game show.
00:41:04.180 --> 00:41:06.040
Emily: Perhaps, perhaps.
00:41:06.517 --> 00:41:09.127
I mean, honestly, I wouldn't be
surprised if Slenderman was the
00:41:09.127 --> 00:41:13.927
first demon to go, because that
is the closest direct reference
00:41:13.932 --> 00:41:17.717
to a copyrighted design that I see
00:41:17.957 --> 00:41:19.907
Ben: How can you copyright Slender Man?
00:41:20.057 --> 00:41:25.127
Slender Man is the spontaneous
product of the something awful forums.
00:41:25.247 --> 00:41:30.287
Emily: know Slenderman is, is, is belongs
to us all Slenderman belongs to the world.
00:41:30.687 --> 00:41:32.697
But I'm sure somebody has,
00:41:32.757 --> 00:41:34.317
Ben: copywriting vampires.
00:41:34.317 --> 00:41:36.867
You can't fucking copyright vampires.
00:41:36.987 --> 00:41:38.697
Emily: I have two words for you.
00:41:39.297 --> 00:41:40.437
Vanta Black.
00:41:40.837 --> 00:41:44.567
If you can copyright a color,
you can copyright a Slenderman.
00:41:45.467 --> 00:41:48.747
Alicia: I was just imagining the woman
named Vanta Black who had written
00:41:48.747 --> 00:41:51.597
vampire novels and was copywriting.
00:41:51.767 --> 00:41:52.577
Emily: Why doesn't that
00:41:52.577 --> 00:41:53.117
exist?
00:41:53.207 --> 00:41:55.727
Oh, because Vanta Black has been
00:41:55.917 --> 00:41:59.357
Ben: Vanta Black is the name
of at least 30 drag queens.
00:42:00.227 --> 00:42:01.217
Alicia: Artistic drag
00:42:01.327 --> 00:42:03.187
Emily: I hope they can.
00:42:03.187 --> 00:42:03.567
Yeah.
00:42:03.647 --> 00:42:04.277
Also.
00:42:04.487 --> 00:42:07.637
Jeremy: you could, you could use
the name Vanta Black for a character
00:42:07.642 --> 00:42:12.174
because that does not have any uh,
copyright crossover with naming a color.
00:42:12.574 --> 00:42:12.844
Emily: Yeah.
00:42:12.844 --> 00:42:15.954
And as long as it doesn't yeah,
you could just change the spelling.
00:42:16.554 --> 00:42:22.284
I wish that someone would make a
theme park based on Trixie and Katia
00:42:22.370 --> 00:42:24.200
formally of RuPaul's Drag Race.
00:42:24.450 --> 00:42:28.520
I know that RuPaul, the
individual is problematic.
00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:30.210
I know that it was no, no.
00:42:30.240 --> 00:42:33.870
Nowhere near as wholesome as
a TV y seven show would be.
00:42:33.870 --> 00:42:39.074
But if I was Norma it would be Kaia
instead of Pauline Phoenix that I was,
00:42:39.189 --> 00:42:43.749
Alicia: you, I was like, I think you
could have a divine theme park, right?
00:42:44.139 --> 00:42:45.009
Emily: probably.
00:42:45.009 --> 00:42:45.789
But again,
00:42:46.264 --> 00:42:50.079
Alicia: Like there's enough, like divine
wasn't enough stuff to have like, or
00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:52.479
maybe just a John Waters theme park.
00:42:52.869 --> 00:42:56.289
Emily: that's a different,
that's a different thing I think.
00:42:56.289 --> 00:42:56.589
Yeah.
00:42:56.679 --> 00:42:58.594
Jeremy's, yeah.
00:42:58.724 --> 00:43:01.654
Jeremy: Could definitely not be
a Y seven John Waters theme park.
00:43:01.744 --> 00:43:02.014
Emily: yeah.
00:43:02.014 --> 00:43:03.064
Absolutely not.
00:43:03.334 --> 00:43:04.354
Absolutely not.
00:43:04.354 --> 00:43:05.464
That's, I don't know.
00:43:05.479 --> 00:43:06.169
Ben: Oh man.
00:43:06.169 --> 00:43:08.449
Now just imagine that like,
oh, we're going to the, like,
00:43:08.449 --> 00:43:09.769
we're going to the waters park.
00:43:09.979 --> 00:43:11.059
You mean the water park?
00:43:11.449 --> 00:43:12.139
I said what?
00:43:12.139 --> 00:43:12.889
I said,
00:43:13.564 --> 00:43:13.864
Emily: That's
00:43:14.089 --> 00:43:16.249
Jeremy: Mom, I'm going on
the Pink Flamingo ride.
00:43:16.369 --> 00:43:16.879
No
00:43:19.714 --> 00:43:20.074
Emily: Praise.
00:43:20.759 --> 00:43:21.119
Yeah.
00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:21.419
I,
00:43:21.434 --> 00:43:23.324
Ben: the pink Flamingo Lazy River.
00:43:23.849 --> 00:43:25.229
Emily: Actually I'm
not gonna go down that,
00:43:25.404 --> 00:43:27.764
Jeremy: I was really worried about
where that Lazy River was going.
00:43:27.879 --> 00:43:28.169
Emily: Yeah.
00:43:28.174 --> 00:43:28.349
Yeah.
00:43:29.469 --> 00:43:31.594
I was listening to a podcast and
they were talking about a waterpark
00:43:31.599 --> 00:43:36.814
for adults and how they want it to
be, not like an adult waterpark.
00:43:37.064 --> 00:43:37.394
Alicia: Right.
00:43:37.424 --> 00:43:39.464
Well, I was trying to say
that to Jeremy one day.
00:43:39.464 --> 00:43:42.464
I was like, I wish that there
was a playground for adults,
00:43:42.464 --> 00:43:43.814
but there's no way to name it.
00:43:45.034 --> 00:43:47.014
Emily: 'cause you can't
say it's for adults.
00:43:47.044 --> 00:43:48.214
'cause then people are like, oh,
00:43:48.219 --> 00:43:49.204
it's after
00:43:49.394 --> 00:43:50.774
Alicia: it's an adult playground.
00:43:50.774 --> 00:43:56.774
It's like, no, it's a playground with
equipment that is grown person size
00:43:56.834 --> 00:43:59.144
so that I can get on swings and slides
00:43:59.299 --> 00:44:00.439
Jeremy: I just want a fucking playground.
00:44:00.444 --> 00:44:01.669
Not a fucking playground.
00:44:02.179 --> 00:44:05.839
Ben: I was gonna say, unfortunately, I, I
feel like the closest we have is CrossFit.
00:44:08.147 --> 00:44:09.687
Alicia: They got the bars.
00:44:09.692 --> 00:44:09.982
Ben: Yeah.
00:44:09.987 --> 00:44:10.532
Yeah.
00:44:10.822 --> 00:44:12.557
Emily: that is like borderline.
00:44:12.557 --> 00:44:14.087
I feel like that's Port borderline.
00:44:14.087 --> 00:44:14.657
B D S M.
00:44:14.657 --> 00:44:18.891
'cause I see those, CrossFit
people like dragging chains around.
00:44:19.341 --> 00:44:20.841
And I'm like, you know,
00:44:20.851 --> 00:44:23.281
Alicia: Jeremy, did you drag
chains when you were doing
00:44:23.671 --> 00:44:26.291
Jeremy: I don't think I dragged chains.
00:44:26.291 --> 00:44:26.531
I
00:44:26.681 --> 00:44:28.436
Ben: did you whip the warrior ropes?
00:44:28.486 --> 00:44:33.101
Jeremy: did whip the ropes and uh,
I flipped a tire around quite a bit.
00:44:33.511 --> 00:44:36.701
Alicia: Just like that Bob's burgers
episode where Bob gets to like do,
00:44:37.831 --> 00:44:40.767
and he's like, this is so much more
tiring than I thought it would be.
00:44:41.157 --> 00:44:41.447
Emily: yeah,
00:44:41.807 --> 00:44:42.857
Jeremy: That one sneaks up on you.
00:44:42.857 --> 00:44:44.507
At first you're like, oh, this is easy.
00:44:44.867 --> 00:44:47.987
And then after doing it for, you
know, 30 seconds, you're like, holy
00:44:47.987 --> 00:44:49.727
shit, what happened to my arms?
00:44:49.817 --> 00:44:50.987
Why don't they work anymore?
00:44:51.577 --> 00:44:51.867
Emily: Yeah.
00:44:51.931 --> 00:44:57.391
But anyway, so, oh, and I feel the
way that Barney feels about Pugsley,
00:44:57.396 --> 00:44:59.731
I feel very, very deeply in my heart.
00:45:00.091 --> 00:45:03.931
I felt that about every cat I've
ever owned, but my, my, all my
00:45:03.931 --> 00:45:05.821
cats already had demons in them.
00:45:06.151 --> 00:45:12.491
So we can have both all, you can
have a, a, a, a family member
00:45:12.521 --> 00:45:17.031
who is an animal who talks to you
who is also possessed by a demon.
00:45:17.121 --> 00:45:18.981
So, cats were always like that.
00:45:19.011 --> 00:45:21.231
Anyway, episode, episode two.
00:45:21.631 --> 00:45:22.801
Alicia: Episode two is called the
00:45:22.801 --> 00:45:23.221
Tunnel.
00:45:23.621 --> 00:45:25.451
So episode two is called the Tunnel.
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We open on small Norma's core
memory of a scary encounter with
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a mascot named Buster Scruffs.
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Buster in her memories like leans
over as like, come on, little girl.
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He's just got the, he's
got the funniest voice.
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He's like, come on, come on little girl.
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Come on.
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So she's supposed to be jumping up in his
lap to take a picture, and that episode
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hit on some things that I am afraid of.
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I'm not like terrified of mascots,
but I just do not prefer them.
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Emily: Mascots are, I can see why
a park would retire the mascot, the
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person, the mascot costume, especially
in our age of those five nights of
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Alicia: Yeah,
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i, I guess Norma's probably
six or seven there.
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Ben: well,
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who's ever had any kind of
mass outcome where they didn't
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turn into some sort of murder?
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Zombie robot, army
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Alicia: And of course these turn into
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Ben: Westworld, itchy and
scratchy World, world Westworld.
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Again,
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Emily: Did the dinosaurs
and Jurassic Park count,
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Ben: if,
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if it really, the entire
bibliography of Michael Creton.
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Michael Creon was fascinated with
exploring the theme of the science gone
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too far, but for some reason could only
explore that theme in the very specific
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plot line of we opened an amusement park.
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Jeremy: There's also, wait.
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These monkeys are way too smart.
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Alicia: Yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's what I was gonna say.
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Jeremy: Wait, these monkeys
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are
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Alicia: These dinosaurs and
these monkeys are too smart.
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Emily: Yeah.
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The Andromeda strain.
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I mean, the, the place
where they were studying
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the
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Ben: that not about opening up a
theme park dedicated to viruses?
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Emily: I mean, technically the,
the, the multi-leveled like facility
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that they studied the Andromeda
strain in was very gimmicky.
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And other than the, weird like
sanitary procedure that burns off,
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well, the top layer of your skin, so
as not to contaminate the, facility.
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Other than
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Alicia: that, sounds like a great ride,
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Emily: I mean, I, that's what
happens when I go outside.
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Um, It's okay.
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, Alicia: uh, we open on small Norma's
core memory of a scary encounter
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with Mascot Buster Scruffs.
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She's anxious around large crowds of
people and she's freaking out about
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getting up there to take a picture when
his head falls off and his eyeball pops
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out and the whole crowd is horrified
and thinks that surely this little
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girl is going to be horrified as well.
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And instead, Norma just laughs
and poses with the head.
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And that's the picture that she has
of her at Pauline Phoenix's Park.
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So present day the gang is going through a
box of missing employees possessions, and
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they come across Jennifer's little badge.
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We meet the rest of the staff who
we find out in a later episode.
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Norma quickly renames because she can't
be bothered to remember anyone's name.
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Barney falls in immediately an immediate
love with Logan Wynn, a k a logs and
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ignores pugsley thereby covering up Pugs
Lee's new identity as a talking dog.
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He tells Pugsley to keep it chill.
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He doesn't want everybody to know he hides
pugsley away, and there are parallels
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between his situation and Pugsley.
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Emily: Did we mention
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Ben: About the name I'm
with, I'm with Badia.
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If someone gives you the
nickname death slide, just roll
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Alicia: Yeah, so Baria is
uh, one of the characters.
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She's one of the other employees.
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This theme park has a very diverse
staff and also the attendees at the
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theme park very diverse as well.
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We see different heights, different
body sizes, different couple pairings.
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And so the park is wonderfully inclusive.
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it's what I guess Disney World aims to be.
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Uh, We learned that the old mascots
were discontinued when Norma takes
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over the staff orientation because
she already knows everything that
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there is to know about the park.
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And I gotta say, like, I was totally
feeling Norma here because one of
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the things that I did in college was
because I grew up in Chapel Hill and
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I love to read things about places.
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When we had orientation, I took all of
my new friends that I met at orientation
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on a Alicia guided tour of the campus.
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And that is how I made all of
my new friends, and I am still
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friends with them to this day.
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Emily: That's beautiful.
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Alicia: Thank you.
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Ben: Friends who tour
together, stay together.
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Alicia: Yeah, we
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Ben: That's in
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Alicia: I guess.
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Yeah.
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And Jeremy also, like recently when we
were in Chicago, I was like, I wanna take
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a tour of the architecture of Chicago.
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And he was like, why?
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You're going to read everything that
there is to know about everything you're
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about to see before you go on the tour.
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And I do, I, I'm not ashamed of it.
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I like to study before I
tour something and go to
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Jeremy: Most people study
before they take a test.
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You study before you take a tour.
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Alicia: Exactly.
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Emily: Yeah, well this is, you're
the person that we wanna travel with.
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Alicia: I'm a great travel companion
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Emily: I believe it.
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Alicia: reason.
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Emily: I believe it.
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I mean, I just kind of wander
and be like, oh, that's neat.
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And take a photo.
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Like, but it's really cool to have the
interest and the fixation is I should
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say the enthusiasm is contagious.
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And that actually brings me to how nuanced
Norma's interaction with people is because
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we see that she has anxiety, but she
can take this leadership role because
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it is within her, hyper fixation and.
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Ben: her hyper fixation includes,
I guess, heads falling off.
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So if people could just have the decency
to like have their heads fall off,
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normal would be a lot more comfortable.
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Please, and thank you.
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Emily: Well, and her, her reaction
to the head falling off, I feel
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is a lot more of a nuanced trauma
reaction when you're a little kid.
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You know?
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Cause she had like you know, all of the
worst things were going on here, but she
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was just like, it was so far beyond for a
little kid that she was just like, sure.
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Alicia: is ridiculous.
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Yeah.
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Like this has to be ridiculous.
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Emily: yeah.
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And that actually, leads into some of
her struggles in the following episode.
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But at first with, as I was just
sort of getting into the show,
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I was really confused as to what
they were trying to say because
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it was not as reductive as other
representations of people with anxiety.
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Like, you have characters that are
kind of like C three po kind of
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characters that are, that are very
anxious and they're presented as
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either cowardly or uptight or whatever.
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But that's not, that's not
what she is and that's not what
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being neurodivergent is either.
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There's a lot more nuance to it.
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And it's not predictable.
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And it's not as straightforward as
like someone has anxiety, so they can't
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go out in the world and do things.
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You know, I felt that was a really
interesting choice with Norma.
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And it also wasn't one of those like,
you know, what did we learn today?
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Kind of talking down situations that
you see in a lot of oft y seven shows.
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Her, uh, traumas and her, her difficulties
build her character's strengths.
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And it's not that she has
to, accept that or, you know,
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that's, that's a burden for her.
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It's just a different way that
she interacts with people.
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Alicia: absolutely.
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So they get on this monorail,
Norma's leading the tour.
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Like you said, Norma has assumed this
leadership role, even though she is
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anxious about meeting new people, she is
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Ben: Yeah.
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Alicia: about Pauline Phoenix.
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Ben: Day off or death Slide.
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Alicia: yeah.
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And she is hanging out with all of the.
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Ancillary cha characters at this point.
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And Barney is on the
monorail with Pugsley.
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Barney is obsessed with logs and doesn't
pay attention to Pugsley saying those
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doors are really scary on the monorail.
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They're worse than like the hand dryer at
the pizza place, or something like that.
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And so when it comes time to exit the
monorail Barney's not paying attention.
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Pugsley finally gets up the
courage to step off, and the doors
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close and Pugsley is trapped.
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So Pugsley ends up in the under
park with a bunch of discarded
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mascots and um, they come to life.
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Yeah, they, they come to life
and they're kind of like zombie
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ish and they're going meet.
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And so Pugsley decides to help
them escape the under park because
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they've been cast aside like him.
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So they get out.
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Barney realizes that he's lost
Pugsley and goes looking for Pugsley
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and finds Pugsley rounding up these
zombie mascots and tells Pugsley
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that he needs to get back here now.
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'cause he doesn't know what he is doing.
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And Pugsley is like, no, I'm helping them.
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I'm gonna help them get what they want.
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And Barney says, bad Pugsley.
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Pugsley says me bad, bad Barney.
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And they have
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Ben: that.
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I love the
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Bad
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Alicia: bad Barney.
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Yeah.
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Like they have this whole back and
forth, but really what they discover
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is that maybe Pugsley should have
listened because the mascots wreak havoc.
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Ben: this show really exploring
the double-edged sword of
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wishing that your pet could
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Alicia: yeah,
00:54:50.122 --> 00:54:50.812
exactly.
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The ma the mascots wreak havoc because
they're going around saying meat all over
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the place and people are freaking out.
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And Barney realizes that he should have
listened to Pugsley because basically
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he's turned into Grammy Graham.
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Like he, he says, why can't
you just be my pugsley?
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Why can't you be the pugsley that I
love that I felt, you know, that I've
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Ben: can't you be
00:55:11.232 --> 00:55:12.882
Alicia: And then he's like, oh, snap.
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I've become Granny Graham.
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Ben: Which again, talking
dogs as a metaphor for trans
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identity shouldn't work but
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Alicia: But it does, it does.
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Well, I think, I think it also works
on a lot of levels of like, you know,
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as a parent I saw this reflected
as I often feel like I am becoming
00:55:38.982 --> 00:55:43.752
my mother or my grandmother and
hearing myself say things to my kids
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that I swore I would never say, you
00:55:46.872 --> 00:55:50.910
know, I love that Pugsley also
says, I didn't want to create panic
00:55:50.910 --> 00:55:54.720
across the park, because that's
just such a sweet thing to say.
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Turns out that they were saying meet
and greet, like the mascots didn't
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want to eat people, they just wanted
to give hugs and sign autographs.
00:56:04.640 --> 00:56:11.420
So Norma saves the day by having
a 1980s era mascot parade and
00:56:11.420 --> 00:56:13.700
all of these ugly mascots go
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Jeremy: just has the music stirred on
her phone because of course she does.
00:56:17.693 --> 00:56:20.977
Alicia: And um, the, the park
attendees are like, oh, okay.
00:56:20.977 --> 00:56:22.147
Well I guess that's fine.
00:56:22.313 --> 00:56:25.823
Barney says he wants Pugley to be
able to live his life without apology.
00:56:26.273 --> 00:56:31.323
And I think one of the things that I
find interesting about Barney's dynamic
00:56:31.323 --> 00:56:36.723
with his mom is that he's not not living
at home because he got kicked out.
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Ben: They're not hostile,
they're just not supportive.
00:56:39.880 --> 00:56:40.330
Emily: yeah,
00:56:40.615 --> 00:56:47.553
Alicia: yeah, it, it's not like civil
rights, Disney movie racism or bigotry
00:56:47.588 --> 00:56:48.278
Ben: are the moderate.
00:56:48.338 --> 00:56:49.568
They are the moderates that.
00:56:50.123 --> 00:56:52.613
They're the moderates that
Martin Luther King warned us
00:56:52.773 --> 00:56:53.643
Alicia: Exactly.
00:56:53.673 --> 00:56:56.523
You know, they think that they're
being, she thinks she's being
00:56:56.523 --> 00:57:00.663
supportive and she's saying, I love
you, and she's calling him Barney
00:57:00.663 --> 00:57:05.073
and she's using the right pronouns,
but she's not backing him up.
00:57:05.473 --> 00:57:08.023
And so Barney decides that
that's not a space that he
00:57:08.023 --> 00:57:09.583
can be comfortable in anymore.
00:57:09.973 --> 00:57:13.963
I think the situation with Pugsley
maybe helps him understand some of
00:57:13.963 --> 00:57:21.353
the struggle that his family might
be having, but also even bigger.
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I think it puts on display for
anybody watching this show or any kids
00:57:25.978 --> 00:57:30.113
watching, any adults watching this
show, that it's not enough to just
00:57:30.113 --> 00:57:33.083
tolerate somebody else's identity.
00:57:33.323 --> 00:57:35.573
Like that needs to come with acceptance.
00:57:35.573 --> 00:57:36.863
And that means work.
00:57:37.043 --> 00:57:39.293
That doesn't just mean that you can just,
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Ben: this is where, you know, we talked
about some of the stuff with the world
00:57:43.483 --> 00:57:49.763
building I think comes back because, oh,
your dog now talks and if people knew your
00:57:49.763 --> 00:57:52.503
dog talks, they'd be like, what the fuck?
00:57:52.903 --> 00:57:55.243
And like, so you have to keep it a secret.
00:57:55.248 --> 00:58:01.903
Like that's a very standard
status quo setup for a kid show.
00:58:02.503 --> 00:58:07.783
So again, and all the themes and hard
when it, that subverted and the metaphor
00:58:07.783 --> 00:58:11.533
works, but then like we said, it does
kinda go back to this world building
00:58:11.983 --> 00:58:17.563
issue of being like, oh, so I guess
everyone is aware of talking dog.
00:58:17.963 --> 00:58:19.673
Is anyone gonna have a reaction to that?
00:58:20.263 --> 00:58:23.143
Alicia: Again, if you see
something paranormal, just
00:58:23.143 --> 00:58:24.403
keep it to yourself, darling.
00:58:24.453 --> 00:58:30.243
Ben: I know, but I, I, I don't think that
one line is quite enough for just how.
00:58:30.253 --> 00:58:33.583
Alicia: Bo says it later too,
when they were like, whoa,
00:58:33.588 --> 00:58:34.783
were those zombie mascots?
00:58:34.783 --> 00:58:36.793
And bodi is like, keep
it to yourself darling.
00:58:37.218 --> 00:58:38.598
Emily: Yes, she does.
00:58:38.598 --> 00:58:38.838
Yeah.
00:58:38.843 --> 00:58:44.858
She basically like, repeats that, I
kind of like that about a lot of new
00:58:44.858 --> 00:58:48.858
shows that have that going on where
there's like magic stuff going on
00:58:48.858 --> 00:58:53.518
where people are just like, all right,
we could spend a lot of time thinking
00:58:53.518 --> 00:58:58.648
about like, now what does it mean to
society that there's a talking dog now?
00:58:59.048 --> 00:59:03.598
When we can just have a story with these
characters and I can totally understand
00:59:03.598 --> 00:59:04.948
being like, wait, hold on a minute.
00:59:05.348 --> 00:59:07.208
We have a, there's a talkie dog.
00:59:07.557 --> 00:59:09.237
Alicia: Also, he now walks upright
00:59:09.462 --> 00:59:09.732
Emily: Yeah.
00:59:09.732 --> 00:59:09.972
He like
00:59:10.257 --> 00:59:10.677
Ben: Yes.
00:59:10.977 --> 00:59:12.657
I love pugsley walking
00:59:12.817 --> 00:59:13.507
Alicia: love pugs.
00:59:13.507 --> 00:59:14.227
Lee's like
00:59:14.757 --> 00:59:16.077
Ben: is walk is wonderful.
00:59:16.147 --> 00:59:17.227
Alicia: his cute little.
00:59:17.307 --> 00:59:18.957
Ben: little Fs I love Pugsley.
00:59:19.567 --> 00:59:23.237
Alicia: Everything about puzzling,
and then if you like, later on we're
00:59:23.237 --> 00:59:26.357
gonna see inside Barney's house, but
there is the picture on the wall of
00:59:26.387 --> 00:59:28.067
Pugsley and a top hat and a bow tie,
00:59:28.127 --> 00:59:30.172
and it's just darling.
00:59:30.742 --> 00:59:32.362
Jeremy, what'd you think
about this episode?
00:59:32.752 --> 00:59:37.072
Jeremy: It was it was a funny one to me
because as we were watching it, there
00:59:37.077 --> 00:59:40.012
was a point where I, I think I said
this to you as we were watching it,
00:59:40.012 --> 00:59:44.162
that I was like, I was thinking early
on in this episode, oh, is the talking
00:59:44.162 --> 00:59:46.562
dog thing a metaphor for transition?
00:59:47.102 --> 00:59:49.052
And then I was like, I
can't say that out loud.
00:59:49.142 --> 00:59:50.162
That sounds terrible.
00:59:50.582 --> 00:59:52.622
And then like, the show said
it out loud and I was like,
00:59:52.622 --> 00:59:54.052
Oh, Oh, okay.
00:59:54.930 --> 00:59:55.770
Oh, you do mean that.
00:59:55.800 --> 00:59:56.220
Okay.
00:59:56.664 --> 00:59:57.684
I thought it was really interesting.
00:59:57.689 --> 01:00:01.714
I, I liked the sort of like,
exploration of the, you know,
01:00:01.794 --> 01:00:03.204
spooky mascots and everything.
01:00:03.204 --> 01:00:07.974
I, I think it sort of also
establishes the stuff that'll, that
01:00:07.979 --> 01:00:09.474
I think is important about Norma.
01:00:09.874 --> 01:00:14.680
As a character with her anxieties,
because she, she does have social anxiety.
01:00:14.680 --> 01:00:18.960
She is anxious about what a lot of
people would consider normal daily stuff.
01:00:19.380 --> 01:00:22.080
But you know, the, the thing
with the mascot, like the head
01:00:22.085 --> 01:00:25.230
falling off, the thing that
should be scary doesn't scare her.
01:00:25.230 --> 01:00:27.930
Like, she's not afraid of scary stuff.
01:00:27.930 --> 01:00:29.730
She likes poorer stuff.
01:00:29.730 --> 01:00:33.150
That's part of like her fixation
with Pauline and with this park.
01:00:33.690 --> 01:00:36.430
It's like that stuff is
not a problem for her.
01:00:36.430 --> 01:00:39.130
And I think that, you know, becomes
very important in the next episode.
01:00:39.214 --> 01:00:43.964
It's the everyday stuff the social stuff
that is scary and is a problem for her.
01:00:44.364 --> 01:00:47.884
Ben: I like one thing I really like in
this episode, especially being the second
01:00:47.884 --> 01:00:52.359
episode, is I feel like it makes really
good use of the amusement park setting.
01:00:52.899 --> 01:01:01.581
You know, you got monorail tours like
zombie mascot costumes is a very specific.
01:01:02.856 --> 01:01:08.346
And a wonderful concept that you could
only do in this amusement park setting.
01:01:08.523 --> 01:01:11.413
Alicia: B I know you've said
before that like Simpsons is
01:01:11.413 --> 01:01:13.573
ingrained like in your brain.
01:01:13.973 --> 01:01:18.173
When you saw the monorail, did you sing
the monorail song from The Simpsons?
01:01:18.178 --> 01:01:21.623
Because I definitely was
like monorail, monorail.
01:01:22.543 --> 01:01:25.503
Emily: Look, there's no way
there's, you know, you know.
01:01:26.278 --> 01:01:30.088
Like you're, you're in a
particular group of people.
01:01:30.088 --> 01:01:33.418
Like, you know, that you can communicate
a certain way with a particular
01:01:33.418 --> 01:01:37.438
group of people when you say monorail
or you hear the word monorail
01:01:37.438 --> 01:01:40.378
and people automatically go monorail,
01:01:40.453 --> 01:01:43.003
Ben: show take place in
Denville or North Haverbrook?
01:01:43.223 --> 01:01:43.573
Thank
01:01:43.778 --> 01:01:44.198
Jeremy: Mm-hmm.
01:01:44.428 --> 01:01:45.088
Emily: maybe.
01:01:45.488 --> 01:01:46.268
Possibly.
01:01:47.408 --> 01:01:48.818
That's a bit of a deeper cut.
01:01:49.118 --> 01:01:49.748
Nice,
01:01:50.708 --> 01:01:51.008
nice.
01:01:51.408 --> 01:01:51.768
Yeah,
01:01:51.903 --> 01:01:55.293
Ben: Fucking Letter Nemo
Guest starring like a boss.
01:01:55.848 --> 01:01:57.168
Emily: it's so random,
01:01:57.393 --> 01:01:58.473
Ben: So random.
01:01:58.873 --> 01:02:00.283
Emily: back when the Simpsons,
01:02:00.328 --> 01:02:05.758
Ben: I tell you I just found out that Next
Generation and like the last two original
01:02:05.758 --> 01:02:08.788
series movies like took overlapped.
01:02:09.448 --> 01:02:10.559
I did not realize that.
01:02:11.203 --> 01:02:11.563
Emily: I know.
01:02:11.568 --> 01:02:11.803
It's
01:02:12.018 --> 01:02:14.558
Alicia: But Leonard Nemo
is on Next Generation.
01:02:15.073 --> 01:02:18.859
Emily: yeah, he and um,
uh, James Deon as well.
01:02:18.859 --> 01:02:22.189
Like, there's an episode with James
Deon and I, I was like, what the hell?
01:02:22.384 --> 01:02:25.414
Ben: Like I get now, why
who's a better captain?
01:02:25.414 --> 01:02:30.184
Kirk or Picard was such a pertinent
thing in the late eighties when
01:02:30.184 --> 01:02:34.714
they were both on screen at the
same time doing captain stuff.
01:02:35.074 --> 01:02:36.574
That makes more sense now,
01:02:36.979 --> 01:02:38.059
Emily: Picard is better by the way.
01:02:38.059 --> 01:02:38.449
I just want
01:02:38.454 --> 01:02:39.139
everyone that,
01:02:39.409 --> 01:02:42.049
You know, some kids
had, Jesus, I had Picard
01:02:42.459 --> 01:02:42.679
Alicia: and
01:02:42.759 --> 01:02:43.359
I have seven.
01:02:43.749 --> 01:02:45.129
Ben: captain of the enterprise.
01:02:45.729 --> 01:02:46.179
Alicia: Love it.
01:02:46.569 --> 01:02:46.959
Emily: Oh,
01:02:47.364 --> 01:02:48.894
Alicia: What do you
think seven's go Word is.
01:02:49.558 --> 01:02:55.298
Emily: sorry, I, when you said seven,
I was thinking about the film with Brad
01:02:55.298 --> 01:03:01.838
Pitt and Morgan Freeman, and I'm like,
maybe sevens goward is what's in the box.
01:03:02.343 --> 01:03:03.213
Ben: I, if we
01:03:03.408 --> 01:03:03.798
Emily: about
01:03:04.593 --> 01:03:09.123
Ben: if we get that Star Trek legacy,
and I know this is a very stupid
01:03:09.273 --> 01:03:11.373
movie to be making a pun title out of.
01:03:11.613 --> 01:03:13.983
I hope we get lucky number seven
01:03:14.383 --> 01:03:17.293
and it's all just referencing
the Josh Harnett movie.
01:03:19.862 --> 01:03:20.762
Emily: Morgan Freeman.
01:03:21.217 --> 01:03:25.037
Ben: I, I I made a choice
of focus on Josh Harnett.
01:03:25.437 --> 01:03:28.827
Emily: I appreciate you know what,
that was the better choice to make.
01:03:29.227 --> 01:03:32.887
Ben: It was like I thought about
it and my brain made a choice.
01:03:32.887 --> 01:03:32.947
I.
01:03:33.152 --> 01:03:35.972
Alicia: and by all accounts,
it was the right choice.
01:03:36.362 --> 01:03:39.792
Emily: Speaking of choices I'm
gonna, going back to the show.
01:03:40.192 --> 01:03:40.387
Ben: Yeah.
01:03:40.387 --> 01:03:40.687
Oh yeah,
01:03:40.687 --> 01:03:40.867
yeah.
01:03:40.872 --> 01:03:41.197
Shit.
01:03:41.197 --> 01:03:41.707
Right, right.
01:03:41.707 --> 01:03:42.277
We should do that.
01:03:42.677 --> 01:03:46.497
Emily: The art, the, I mean, I was
talking earlier about how whoever
01:03:46.497 --> 01:03:52.747
designs Barney's character did so
from a very experienced place, right?
01:03:52.752 --> 01:03:56.352
But also the demon designs
and those mascot designs.
01:03:56.357 --> 01:03:59.622
Like, I love the, the sort of MTY
character designs of the show.
01:03:59.622 --> 01:04:00.552
It's very charming.
01:04:00.552 --> 01:04:05.742
It's very cute, while also being
very inclusive and diverse.
01:04:05.852 --> 01:04:10.222
But the, the demon designs are so nuts.
01:04:10.632 --> 01:04:12.552
Alicia: Like Gord, the long one.
01:04:13.037 --> 01:04:16.367
Emily: yeah, the weird, like one with
the, it's like a worm with a face,
01:04:16.667 --> 01:04:22.377
and then there's like a weird, like
cow fetus one, and there's all sorts
01:04:22.382 --> 01:04:26.817
of weird stuff that I'm like, this is
t y seven, this is t this t y seven.
01:04:27.807 --> 01:04:32.337
But then also the mascots like, yeah,
okay, five guys to Fred's is the thing.
01:04:32.337 --> 01:04:34.797
And it has defined what
we see from mascots.
01:04:34.797 --> 01:04:37.020
But Buster Scruffs, which
01:04:37.435 --> 01:04:38.165
Alicia: come on little girl.
01:04:38.430 --> 01:04:40.854
Emily: the Ballad of Buster
Scruffs, I wanna know what,
01:04:41.004 --> 01:04:42.294
what, where he comes from.
01:04:42.694 --> 01:04:45.190
Is he from the western,
Pauline Phoenix was in?
01:04:45.590 --> 01:04:46.070
Who knows?
01:04:46.610 --> 01:04:50.970
But there's that time in the
eighties where suddenly every.
01:04:51.370 --> 01:04:54.920
Mascot character was glam,
and you know that that's
01:04:55.160 --> 01:04:57.170
Ben: Garfield and his glam friends.
01:04:57.200 --> 01:04:58.490
Emily: Oh my God.
01:04:58.890 --> 01:04:59.460
Like,
01:04:59.580 --> 01:05:00.480
Ben: The glam glam?
01:05:00.880 --> 01:05:01.060
Emily: is
01:05:01.120 --> 01:05:01.300
Ben: No.
01:05:01.360 --> 01:05:03.820
Was that was that not one
of Garfield's farm friends?
01:05:03.907 --> 01:05:04.837
The glam clam?
01:05:05.444 --> 01:05:06.044
It was not.
01:05:06.249 --> 01:05:06.789
Jeremy: That sounds
01:05:06.789 --> 01:05:07.719
like a, a sexual
01:05:07.844 --> 01:05:08.024
Ben: was
01:05:08.169 --> 01:05:10.869
Alicia: was like going through
Garfield and friends and like I
01:05:10.934 --> 01:05:11.264
Ben: no.
01:05:11.264 --> 01:05:12.494
This was just in my head, just
01:05:12.494 --> 01:05:17.744
like a, glam with like eyes, but
this also dressed like Liberace.
01:05:17.984 --> 01:05:20.894
Emily: I think that's a, I think
that's an 8 24 movie that just
01:05:20.899 --> 01:05:23.784
came out, but the shell Anyway.
01:05:24.174 --> 01:05:25.224
Talk about horrifying.
01:05:25.284 --> 01:05:27.954
But yeah, the, the, like, the
glam, there's just like randomly
01:05:27.954 --> 01:05:30.124
glam mascots and things like that.
01:05:30.124 --> 01:05:33.869
And like, yeah, five Nights at Freddy's
has addressed that with the new game
01:05:33.874 --> 01:05:36.119
that came out a while ago, whatever.
01:05:36.179 --> 01:05:40.889
But anyway there's some
really solid art decisions.
01:05:41.289 --> 01:05:45.519
And I just wanna address that and, and,
you know, as a, as an artist and as
01:05:45.524 --> 01:05:51.099
somebody who, who enjoys the process of
character design I appreciated that a lot.
01:05:51.499 --> 01:05:51.859
Ben: Yeah.
01:05:51.884 --> 01:05:55.274
Alicia: I'm trying to look up a picture
of Buster Scruffs, and it's very hard
01:05:55.274 --> 01:05:57.014
because Google just really wants to show
01:05:57.019 --> 01:05:57.289
Ben: Do,
01:05:57.524 --> 01:05:58.214
Alicia: Scrubs.
01:05:58.319 --> 01:05:58.829
Emily: Yeah.
01:05:59.059 --> 01:06:02.149
Ben: do we, uh, have any more
thoughts on episode two or do
01:06:02.149 --> 01:06:04.439
we wanna dive into Beach Day?
01:06:04.439 --> 01:06:06.029
Anxiety fun?
01:06:06.434 --> 01:06:06.884
Emily: I wanna
01:06:06.954 --> 01:06:07.174
Alicia: too?
01:06:07.184 --> 01:06:08.354
Emily: about harmony.
01:06:08.764 --> 01:06:09.544
Alicia: All right, let's do
01:06:09.549 --> 01:06:09.879
Ben: You mean
01:06:10.014 --> 01:06:12.054
Emily: I wanna harmony
01:06:12.399 --> 01:06:14.049
Ben: voiced by Alan Cumming?
01:06:14.589 --> 01:06:15.249
Incredible.
01:06:15.249 --> 01:06:15.339
Get.
01:06:15.739 --> 01:06:17.929
Emily: I did not realize that.
01:06:18.329 --> 01:06:19.559
Jeremy: Night crawler himself.
01:06:19.829 --> 01:06:20.309
Emily: Oh my
01:06:20.429 --> 01:06:21.179
God.
01:06:21.669 --> 01:06:22.269
Alicia: accent.
01:06:22.269 --> 01:06:22.419
You
01:06:22.469 --> 01:06:23.069
Emily: Yeah.
01:06:23.169 --> 01:06:23.409
Alicia: up.
01:06:23.799 --> 01:06:27.729
Emily: Well his, Scottish
accent is very subtle until uh,
01:06:27.759 --> 01:06:29.319
Badia does the impression of
01:06:29.319 --> 01:06:29.679
him
01:06:30.034 --> 01:06:31.984
Alicia: And then you're
like, wait a second.
01:06:32.529 --> 01:06:32.889
Emily: Oh yeah.
01:06:32.889 --> 01:06:33.069
He
01:06:33.094 --> 01:06:35.044
Alicia: He does have a Scottish accent.
01:06:35.404 --> 01:06:35.674
Yeah.
01:06:35.679 --> 01:06:37.384
Body's impression is really good.
01:06:37.389 --> 01:06:37.744
Right.
01:06:38.254 --> 01:06:38.584
Alright.
01:06:38.879 --> 01:06:41.009
Episode three is called Trust Me.
01:06:41.459 --> 01:06:44.699
And I just wrote a couple of
like throwaway lines here.
01:06:44.779 --> 01:06:50.559
Courtney has figured out that Timal Lucas
is inside of Pugsley still and she knows
01:06:50.564 --> 01:06:54.759
that his hair is probably what brought
the mascots to life in the first place.
01:06:55.089 --> 01:06:58.479
And so she's gonna try and teach
Pugsley how to do some spells.
01:06:58.729 --> 01:07:01.249
One of my favorite
jokes is so simple here.
01:07:01.335 --> 01:07:05.855
Courtney, who loves pop culture, she
says You're a Wizard pugsley to him.
01:07:05.865 --> 01:07:09.285
But she hands him a book
and he's like, what's that?
01:07:09.285 --> 01:07:12.586
And she says, spell book Pugsley Pugsley.
01:07:12.591 --> 01:07:15.165
And Pugsley goes b o o.
01:07:16.005 --> 01:07:16.285
she's,
01:07:16.315 --> 01:07:16.435
Ben: I
01:07:16.445 --> 01:07:17.525
also love that.
01:07:18.035 --> 01:07:19.475
I love that joke a lot.
01:07:19.635 --> 01:07:20.085
Alicia: I loved
01:07:20.165 --> 01:07:21.725
Emily: Yeah, that was
01:07:21.945 --> 01:07:22.005
Alicia: Um,
01:07:22.295 --> 01:07:22.955
Emily: good stuff.
01:07:23.265 --> 01:07:26.745
Alicia: because just the episode
before Barney has been getting
01:07:26.745 --> 01:07:29.925
pugsley to say things and trying
to make him say like, indubitably,
01:07:29.925 --> 01:07:31.995
which was just hilarious and cute.
01:07:32.225 --> 01:07:32.735
Emily: Yeah.
01:07:32.785 --> 01:07:37.569
When uh, Courtney Hands publicly the
book, it's, you know, a thick, thick book.
01:07:37.779 --> 01:07:42.109
You know, it's like a classic
tome and leys, like, I don't
01:07:42.109 --> 01:07:43.339
know if I can handle this one.
01:07:43.339 --> 01:07:45.589
I don't think my comprehension
is that advanced.
01:07:45.619 --> 01:07:48.349
You know, I just finished
that one about the, the Hungry
01:07:48.349 --> 01:07:51.529
Caterpillar and, uh, twist ending.
01:07:51.929 --> 01:07:57.370
Also fun fact demon Lord
Corner do, do deep abracadabra,
01:07:57.870 --> 01:07:58.590
Alicia: vodka cadaver.
01:07:59.090 --> 01:07:59.810
Emily: No.
01:08:00.210 --> 01:08:01.050
Ava Cadabra.
01:08:01.055 --> 01:08:01.440
Yes.
01:08:01.440 --> 01:08:05.610
I don't, I don't believe for a second
that JK did any sort of research
01:08:06.160 --> 01:08:08.770
Alicia: No, I think it just
sounds like abracadabra and
01:08:08.790 --> 01:08:09.270
Emily: because,
01:08:09.490 --> 01:08:10.000
Alicia: the funny
01:08:10.355 --> 01:08:13.615
Ben: How do we make, how,
what if Abra was evil?
01:08:13.720 --> 01:08:14.380
Alicia: Exactly.
01:08:15.250 --> 01:08:17.790
Emily: and that's the
thing, is that, okay,
01:08:18.200 --> 01:08:18.490
Alicia: Okay.
01:08:18.720 --> 01:08:22.230
I always thought abracadabra
meant like abre cadaver, which
01:08:22.230 --> 01:08:23.760
means like open a dead body.
01:08:23.760 --> 01:08:25.440
That's how I always thought about it.
01:08:25.465 --> 01:08:25.885
Emily: okay.
01:08:25.885 --> 01:08:29.425
It comes from an ancient Greek okay.
01:08:29.835 --> 01:08:30.405
Alicia: Oh no.
01:08:30.405 --> 01:08:32.115
She had to take off the
little finger gloves.
01:08:32.120 --> 01:08:33.200
Emily: Oh yeah, sorry.
01:08:33.280 --> 01:08:39.630
The, the Abra is first seen in
like a magic book in the second
01:08:39.630 --> 01:08:40.770
century or something like that.
01:08:40.770 --> 01:08:47.210
And it's, it's based on some ancient Greek
talismans known as the Abraxis stones.
01:08:47.810 --> 01:08:54.330
The Axi stones referred to a particular
being, which is referred to in
01:08:54.330 --> 01:09:00.540
certain texts as a demon, but as a
demon that has access to holy power.
01:09:00.940 --> 01:09:02.680
And abracadabra.
01:09:02.680 --> 01:09:09.507
Yeah, he is sort of like in between,
and he wards off bad guys, so he
01:09:09.507 --> 01:09:12.697
sort of like your demon guard tiger.
01:09:13.097 --> 01:09:16.007
I don't say dog because dogs
are inherently good boys.
01:09:16.537 --> 01:09:19.327
And this demon is
wording off other demons.
01:09:19.907 --> 01:09:25.567
Abracadabra is also depicted as a talisman
that wards off disease and plague.
01:09:25.967 --> 01:09:28.277
It is also referred to as a demon trap.
01:09:28.677 --> 01:09:32.637
So when Courtney says,
don't say abracadabra by
01:09:32.752 --> 01:09:34.882
Alicia: Oh, because it's a demon
01:09:35.877 --> 01:09:38.437
Emily: it is I don't
know if they actually did.
01:09:38.437 --> 01:09:44.587
I feel like they did because I see
some references to demons from like,
01:09:44.987 --> 01:09:46.667
hys, Bosch and stuff like that.
01:09:46.667 --> 01:09:53.382
Like there's some pretty deep cut demon
references without getting too like, mixed
01:09:53.382 --> 01:09:56.742
up with the pine on and all that kind of
stuff, the kind of issues that we've had
01:09:56.742 --> 01:09:59.982
with things like hereditary where they
talk about demons and then just stop.
01:10:00.582 --> 01:10:04.662
Whether it's a coincidence, a funny joke
or not about like, oh, we don't say abra.
01:10:05.062 --> 01:10:09.982
I choose to believe that there is
some, some involved demon lore here.
01:10:10.522 --> 01:10:12.162
So, I appreciated that.
01:10:12.162 --> 01:10:14.802
I appreciated that little nuance
and the fact that the demon
01:10:15.192 --> 01:10:19.012
Courtney is not evil, just chaotic.
01:10:19.462 --> 01:10:19.822
Alicia: Yeah.
01:10:19.827 --> 01:10:23.152
I don't know if she's entirely,
I mean, she certainly loves
01:10:23.152 --> 01:10:26.482
chaos, but what she really wants
is just to get home, like she's,
01:10:26.887 --> 01:10:27.567
Ben: And trash
01:10:27.592 --> 01:10:33.112
Alicia: actions make, and she wants to eat
trash, which don't we all, don't we all?
01:10:33.322 --> 01:10:35.812
Who's gonna, who's gonna
judge Courtney for that?
01:10:36.162 --> 01:10:39.372
Emily: and I also love that
she is a girl character and
01:10:39.372 --> 01:10:41.502
explicitly, she is a girl demon.
01:10:41.502 --> 01:10:45.282
She's not like a, a, a gender
fluid demon or anything like that.
01:10:45.482 --> 01:10:48.592
Alicia: I think in the original
series in the books, she was a
01:10:48.592 --> 01:10:51.692
non-binary gender fluid demon.
01:10:52.082 --> 01:10:56.132
But I think for the television
show, if I remember what I read
01:10:56.132 --> 01:11:02.502
correctly, they wanted to not
imply that gender fluid people were
01:11:02.892 --> 01:11:03.242
Jeremy: Demon.
01:11:03.694 --> 01:11:04.174
Emily: Yes.
01:11:04.694 --> 01:11:04.994
Alicia: Yeah.
01:11:05.324 --> 01:11:08.414
Emily: You know, and I do love a gender
fluid demon, but I think in this case,
01:11:08.454 --> 01:11:10.794
it was a good, a, a, a good decision.
01:11:11.184 --> 01:11:14.844
And I also really appreciate that you
could have the girl character who is
01:11:14.904 --> 01:11:20.917
of like a trash rat like of character,
which you know, is, is another decision
01:11:20.917 --> 01:11:23.157
that a lot of series will pass up on.
01:11:23.557 --> 01:11:25.777
So, you know, that's, that's fun.
01:11:26.177 --> 01:11:26.597
Thank you.
01:11:26.602 --> 01:11:26.987
Show.
01:11:27.397 --> 01:11:28.147
Alicia: Thank Keisha.
01:11:28.507 --> 01:11:31.656
All right, so let's
dive into this episode.
01:11:32.037 --> 01:11:33.477
uh, this episode is called Trust Me.
01:11:33.482 --> 01:11:37.197
As I said before, we find out that
Norma is bad at making friends.
01:11:37.507 --> 01:11:44.077
You know, she shows up at Beach Day Trust
Exercises Day and her mom, you know, kind
01:11:44.077 --> 01:11:47.707
of pushes her outta the car, which was
like, everybody in this car loves you.
01:11:48.157 --> 01:11:50.287
Everybody out there needs
to know how cool you are.
01:11:50.287 --> 01:11:53.587
So get outta my car,
smooches, go make friends.
01:11:54.217 --> 01:11:57.827
And Barney tells Norma that it's
easy to make friends with people
01:11:57.827 --> 01:11:59.117
if you try to get to know them.
01:11:59.117 --> 01:12:00.377
And you learn people's names.
01:12:00.377 --> 01:12:01.997
And she's like, why do I need to do that?
01:12:01.997 --> 01:12:03.497
I've got names for everyone.
01:12:03.797 --> 01:12:07.817
And that's when she find, we find
out that she basically calls people
01:12:07.817 --> 01:12:12.227
whatever job that they're associated
with, like she calls body a death slide.
01:12:12.647 --> 01:12:14.477
And BOD is like, hold on a second.
01:12:14.477 --> 01:12:16.267
No, I, I'm keeping that.
01:12:16.547 --> 01:12:18.567
Did I really like that nickname?
01:12:18.567 --> 01:12:19.137
That's great.
01:12:19.497 --> 01:12:23.867
Baia also we find out
is just delightful and
01:12:24.282 --> 01:12:24.882
Ben: Oh yeah, she's
01:12:25.117 --> 01:12:26.407
Alicia: good friends with Norma.
01:12:26.562 --> 01:12:27.732
Ben: She's a wonderful character.
01:12:28.537 --> 01:12:31.687
Alicia: Yeah, because she's just
fine with allowing Norma to be who
01:12:31.687 --> 01:12:36.937
Norma is and she thinks Norma is cool
and Norma can't figure out why Baia
01:12:36.937 --> 01:12:39.467
thinks that she's cool, but Yeah.
01:12:39.687 --> 01:12:41.727
Yeah, she calls logs health and safety.
01:12:42.127 --> 01:12:46.207
So one of the things that I
noticed is that when Harmony
01:12:46.207 --> 01:12:47.737
greets them, he says nama
01:12:48.792 --> 01:12:49.082
Emily: Yeah.
01:12:51.187 --> 01:12:52.824
Alicia: and only logs.
01:12:52.824 --> 01:12:55.694
And Norma seem to register this as wrong.
01:12:56.114 --> 01:12:57.434
Like Norma
01:12:57.729 --> 01:12:59.349
Jeremy: Both the, both the Asian
01:12:59.349 --> 01:13:00.879
characters are like, what the fuck?
01:13:01.349 --> 01:13:02.219
Alicia: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:13:02.249 --> 01:13:06.299
Norma's like, the logs just kind of
gives a polite little whatever which
01:13:06.299 --> 01:13:10.469
is, and I have in my notes, like in
a big square, who is paying them,
01:13:10.739 --> 01:13:12.569
like who is paying them to be here?
01:13:12.574 --> 01:13:14.849
Who is paying harmony to do this?
01:13:15.059 --> 01:13:16.859
Harmony is clearly evil.
01:13:17.249 --> 01:13:18.599
From minute one.
01:13:18.599 --> 01:13:19.049
And
01:13:19.299 --> 01:13:19.519
Ben: he
01:13:19.609 --> 01:13:22.069
still probably like a deposit check.
01:13:22.069 --> 01:13:24.109
Still probably needed
to be sent in though.
01:13:24.239 --> 01:13:25.349
Alicia: somewhere, right?
01:13:25.739 --> 01:13:30.549
Jeremy: Before, like we get to sort of
the twist of, harmony in this like opening
01:13:30.549 --> 01:13:33.789
section where they're going through the
trust fall, the trust exercise is the
01:13:33.794 --> 01:13:35.859
trust fall bit is the funniest to me.
01:13:36.289 --> 01:13:40.909
And somehow most relatable because
Barney stands behind Norma to do the
01:13:40.909 --> 01:13:45.829
trust fall and Norma falls forward
instead of backing the Barney.
01:13:46.189 --> 01:13:49.356
And Barney says, why
didn't you fall backwards?
01:13:49.356 --> 01:13:49.446
And
01:13:49.446 --> 01:13:49.806
she says,
01:13:49.866 --> 01:13:50.371
Alicia: do that?
01:13:50.436 --> 01:13:51.216
Jeremy: have caught me.
01:13:51.516 --> 01:13:54.426
So like she f she would
rather fall forward on her
01:13:54.431 --> 01:13:56.616
face than risk the person not
01:13:56.621 --> 01:13:56.976
catching
01:13:57.031 --> 01:13:59.851
Alicia: did not catch herself, did not
01:13:59.851 --> 01:14:03.301
fall forward and catch herself
on her hands, fell forward
01:14:03.301 --> 01:14:04.921
flat on her face because
01:14:04.926 --> 01:14:08.076
Ben: Her no, look, it's like when
you're falling, you're like, look, my
01:14:08.076 --> 01:14:09.516
nose will catch, will break my fall.
01:14:11.216 --> 01:14:15.496
Emily: I mean, it is, so, it's
such a perfect little vignette
01:14:15.976 --> 01:14:18.106
of what anxiety does to you.
01:14:18.926 --> 01:14:24.056
The neurodivergent among us can
overthink something like this where
01:14:24.056 --> 01:14:27.941
they're like, well, if I fall backwards,
then these many things will happen.
01:14:27.941 --> 01:14:30.881
But if I fall forwards, I know
I'll just fall on my face.
01:14:31.361 --> 01:14:31.841
You know?
01:14:32.431 --> 01:14:35.551
Jeremy: Yeah, you don't have to
risk being disappointed or being,
01:14:35.971 --> 01:14:39.511
you know, mistreated if you know
that you're going to throw yourself
01:14:39.511 --> 01:14:40.551
face first into the ground.
01:14:41.041 --> 01:14:42.811
Emily: yes, yes, yes,
01:14:43.046 --> 01:14:43.406
Alicia: Yeah.
01:14:44.366 --> 01:14:46.466
So Harmony is their leader.
01:14:46.496 --> 01:14:49.316
He is doing all of these trust
exercises, these team building
01:14:49.316 --> 01:14:54.056
exercises, and he's going through all
of the classic team building exercises.
01:14:54.356 --> 01:14:56.576
Which leads me to one
of my questions for you.
01:14:56.576 --> 01:14:59.216
What is your favorite team
building exercise, Jeremy Go.
01:14:59.606 --> 01:15:00.646
Jeremy: I mean, as, as a.
01:15:02.011 --> 01:15:07.221
As a drama student, I really
enjoy the the mirroring exercise.
01:15:07.621 --> 01:15:11.221
The, I don't know if that's ex,
it's not a trust exercise, but it
01:15:11.221 --> 01:15:14.191
is sort of like a team building,
relationship building thing of, you
01:15:14.196 --> 01:15:16.741
know, mirroring the the other person
01:15:17.326 --> 01:15:17.956
Ben: Drinking.
01:15:18.366 --> 01:15:18.816
Alicia: All right.
01:15:18.846 --> 01:15:19.266
Okay.
01:15:19.266 --> 01:15:20.976
Team building, exercise, drinking.
01:15:21.036 --> 01:15:21.486
All right.
01:15:21.886 --> 01:15:22.996
Emily, what's your favorite one?
01:15:23.376 --> 01:15:24.696
Emily: Feeding Fierce to the skull?
01:15:26.176 --> 01:15:29.776
Alicia: Well, you're in luck because
that's what they're going to do.
01:15:30.166 --> 01:15:34.726
I was gonna say that human not thing
that would always makes me excited or
01:15:34.726 --> 01:15:40.396
anytime I got to play with a parachute
in PE because they brought out the
01:15:40.396 --> 01:15:42.376
parachutes and that was the best
01:15:42.456 --> 01:15:43.626
Emily: When did they bring it out?
01:15:43.626 --> 01:15:44.376
In the show.
01:15:44.523 --> 01:15:45.093
Alicia: parachutes.
01:15:45.093 --> 01:15:46.263
No, they didn't do that in the show.
01:15:46.503 --> 01:15:47.433
That's just what I like.
01:15:47.723 --> 01:15:48.083
Emily: Oh, yeah.
01:15:48.743 --> 01:15:49.763
Jeremy: is what I like.
01:15:49.993 --> 01:15:52.933
Ben: I'm gonna say being
inebriated is the only thing that's
01:15:52.933 --> 01:15:54.913
ever made me not wanna leave.
01:15:55.243 --> 01:15:55.573
Alicia: Yeah.
01:15:55.603 --> 01:15:59.023
Whenever people say, now they're like,
let's go do a ropes course, and I'm like,
01:15:59.413 --> 01:15:59.713
Emily: Yeah.
01:15:59.893 --> 01:16:02.833
Having to touch other people is not great.
01:16:02.939 --> 01:16:05.939
Especially in like a professional
setting, you know, that's a little
01:16:05.939 --> 01:16:09.659
bit dicey for me, especially like
if you're all tangled up bodily.
01:16:10.139 --> 01:16:12.389
Ben: Anytime I've been at a
ropes course or done that truss
01:16:12.519 --> 01:16:15.209
exercise, I always fall into a no.
01:16:15.209 --> 01:16:16.199
Hey, I think we should.
01:16:16.379 --> 01:16:17.789
Is, is anyone listening to me?
01:16:17.789 --> 01:16:17.969
All right.
01:16:17.999 --> 01:16:18.269
No.
01:16:18.329 --> 01:16:18.569
Alright.
01:16:18.569 --> 01:16:18.959
Fuck it.
01:16:18.964 --> 01:16:19.469
I don't care.
01:16:19.829 --> 01:16:20.249
Emily: yeah,
01:16:20.574 --> 01:16:24.491
Alicia: I, I have to admit that
as a teacher, people always have
01:16:24.491 --> 01:16:28.001
icebreakers that they're like,
oh, let's do some fun icebreakers.
01:16:28.361 --> 01:16:29.111
I hate them.
01:16:29.711 --> 01:16:31.601
I'm bad at them as a teacher.
01:16:31.601 --> 01:16:33.101
I never played games.
01:16:33.501 --> 01:16:38.131
I will participate in them if asked
to because I don't want anybody
01:16:38.136 --> 01:16:40.411
to like their plans to go poorly.
01:16:40.411 --> 01:16:44.641
And usually after finishing an
icebreaker, I'm not unhappy that I did.
01:16:45.041 --> 01:16:49.241
However, whenever I teach anything,
like my students are like, are
01:16:49.241 --> 01:16:50.261
we ever gonna play any games?
01:16:50.261 --> 01:16:51.371
I'm like, no, I don't play games.
01:16:51.371 --> 01:16:52.631
I don't, I don't like them.
01:16:52.801 --> 01:16:53.751
Jeremy: And come here to make friends.
01:16:56.266 --> 01:16:59.086
Ben: Every party I've ever been at where
it's like, now let's do an icebreaker
01:16:59.086 --> 01:17:00.136
game to get to know each other.
01:17:00.136 --> 01:17:02.066
I'm like, I was already doing that.
01:17:02.426 --> 01:17:05.666
It was called having a fucking
conversation, which you have now
01:17:05.666 --> 01:17:08.436
interrupted for this bullshit game.
01:17:09.086 --> 01:17:09.806
Emily: yeah.
01:17:09.866 --> 01:17:11.666
Like I was in, I was into something.
01:17:11.666 --> 01:17:14.456
I found out this person says monorail.
01:17:14.786 --> 01:17:18.876
When I say monorail, monorail,
and now I'm like, oh, I know
01:17:18.881 --> 01:17:20.076
I could talk to at this game.
01:17:20.381 --> 01:17:20.741
Alicia: yeah, I.
01:17:20.806 --> 01:17:21.736
Emily: party, whatever
01:17:22.646 --> 01:17:27.136
Alicia: I will say, when I was in Kenya
we asked the teachers to introduce
01:17:27.136 --> 01:17:30.976
themselves and like say their name and
like what subject they have, just so
01:17:30.976 --> 01:17:32.476
we could get a feel for who's there.
01:17:32.876 --> 01:17:38.376
And the first person who stood up
told the story of how he got his name.
01:17:38.436 --> 01:17:39.456
I mean, it was very short.
01:17:39.456 --> 01:17:43.056
It wasn't very long, but he said what
his name meant and why he was named that.
01:17:43.056 --> 01:17:46.996
And then every other person said what
their name was and what their name
01:17:46.996 --> 01:17:48.526
meant, and how they got that name.
01:17:48.946 --> 01:17:50.416
And I was like, that is the coolest.
01:17:50.656 --> 01:17:53.146
Like, I was just like
fascinated the whole time.
01:17:53.146 --> 01:17:55.096
I was like, oh my gosh,
this is the most amazing.
01:17:55.496 --> 01:17:57.116
What did I ever think to do this?
01:17:57.486 --> 01:17:57.786
Anyway.
01:17:57.816 --> 01:17:58.086
Okay.
01:17:58.396 --> 01:17:59.516
So yeah.
01:17:59.826 --> 01:18:01.506
So harmony, clearly evil.
01:18:01.506 --> 01:18:03.156
I mean, he looks like a total,
01:18:03.546 --> 01:18:03.896
Emily: Hippy.
01:18:04.306 --> 01:18:05.176
Alicia: D does.
01:18:05.181 --> 01:18:06.886
He, does he actu, I mean,
01:18:07.276 --> 01:18:07.566
Jeremy: Like
01:18:07.606 --> 01:18:07.726
a
01:18:07.726 --> 01:18:08.126
hipster
01:18:08.131 --> 01:18:10.171
Alicia: his hair swooped over one eye.
01:18:10.201 --> 01:18:11.851
He's got like a little goatee.
01:18:11.851 --> 01:18:13.711
He's wearing like a little skull necklace.
01:18:13.711 --> 01:18:14.371
He's wearing like
01:18:14.531 --> 01:18:15.891
Ben: a guy who lives in a van.
01:18:16.171 --> 01:18:16.591
Alicia: Yeah.
01:18:16.591 --> 01:18:17.491
And he comes out
01:18:17.516 --> 01:18:18.406
Jeremy: down by the
01:18:18.601 --> 01:18:22.799
Alicia: like a dashiki adjacent
shirt or whatever, like top.
01:18:23.080 --> 01:18:27.487
and he starts asking them to explore
their fears as their final trust exercise.
01:18:27.487 --> 01:18:29.587
And he is clearly feeding off their fears.
01:18:29.587 --> 01:18:33.007
He's getting like a real high
off of them touching this special
01:18:33.007 --> 01:18:36.307
skull that he has, and they're all
getting trapped in their fears.
01:18:36.307 --> 01:18:39.787
But plot twist, Norma is the Hulk.
01:18:40.057 --> 01:18:41.137
What's her secret?
01:18:41.287 --> 01:18:43.117
She's scared all the time.
01:18:43.327 --> 01:18:46.057
When you're scared all the time,
you have to just figure out how
01:18:46.057 --> 01:18:49.117
to get through the world even
though you're scared all the time.
01:18:49.507 --> 01:18:55.147
So Norma discovers that she can
enter other people's fears by
01:18:55.147 --> 01:18:58.687
touching the skull with them and
helps everyone deal with their fears.
01:18:59.087 --> 01:19:05.637
And then she feeds all of her anxiety into
harmony whose name is actually harm many,
01:19:06.297 --> 01:19:12.487
and she feeds him enough that he explodes
and they are covered in a disgusting goo,
01:19:12.877 --> 01:19:14.117
Jeremy: I the skull cracks.
01:19:14.592 --> 01:19:20.529
Alicia: and the skull and floats
away into the lake that probably
01:19:20.529 --> 01:19:22.639
has alligators and sharks in it.
01:19:22.639 --> 01:19:24.199
If it's anything like Disney World.
01:19:24.589 --> 01:19:25.249
Emily: Yes.
01:19:25.292 --> 01:19:28.562
I don't know what kind of supernatural
runoff is going on with that
01:19:28.562 --> 01:19:32.042
park, but I'm sure that it is
contaminating the surrounding area.
01:19:32.332 --> 01:19:32.692
Alicia: Yeah.
01:19:33.092 --> 01:19:36.272
Throwaway lines from this episode
that were my favorite other than
01:19:36.277 --> 01:19:41.759
spell book PUDs Lee was when Harmony
says, I always bring a skull to a
01:19:41.759 --> 01:19:43.409
party, and Courtney's like, Hmm.
01:19:43.469 --> 01:19:43.709
Yeah.
01:19:44.109 --> 01:19:44.739
it's just a cute
01:19:44.759 --> 01:19:49.109
Ben: Courtney, you know Courtney is
a delightful presence in the show.
01:19:49.779 --> 01:19:50.199
Alicia: yeah.
01:19:50.429 --> 01:19:51.119
Emily: Um,
01:19:51.249 --> 01:19:53.559
Alicia: Courtney's like, yeah, I get it.
01:19:53.559 --> 01:19:54.219
I get it.
01:19:54.219 --> 01:19:55.299
This is my worst fear.
01:19:55.299 --> 01:19:56.889
You've all seen it laugh at me.
01:19:57.629 --> 01:20:02.379
Ben: I do feel like there's a
certain element where like maybe in
01:20:02.379 --> 01:20:06.039
a different world it would be healthy
to feed your fears to the skull.
01:20:06.419 --> 01:20:07.199
Emily: I mean, yeah, like if
01:20:07.259 --> 01:20:10.709
Ben: it's like if the skull isn't
like trapping you in fear world, but
01:20:10.709 --> 01:20:13.229
just being like, I take your fears.
01:20:13.679 --> 01:20:14.219
Emily: Yeah,
01:20:14.309 --> 01:20:15.239
Ben: I eat them.
01:20:15.969 --> 01:20:17.799
Alicia: What, what what show is that?
01:20:18.199 --> 01:20:20.899
Where she's like, I just
took all your negativity.
01:20:21.299 --> 01:20:22.889
I just took all your negative energy.
01:20:23.119 --> 01:20:24.379
Ben: What if the skull with could be
01:20:24.659 --> 01:20:24.779
Alicia: I
01:20:24.979 --> 01:20:25.279
Emily: maybe.
01:20:25.279 --> 01:20:25.759
Yeah.
01:20:26.169 --> 01:20:27.309
Alicia: think in the good place
01:20:27.409 --> 01:20:27.559
Ben: Yeah.
01:20:27.564 --> 01:20:31.489
What if that skull is just
Pac-Man going through Oh yes.
01:20:31.489 --> 01:20:32.089
That, yes.
01:20:32.119 --> 01:20:33.319
I take your negativity.
01:20:33.819 --> 01:20:37.579
Like just going through your brain,
just chomping up all the fears,
01:20:38.119 --> 01:20:38.719
Emily: Yeah.
01:20:39.359 --> 01:20:42.069
Ben: eating them, fear
ghosts, and also cherries.
01:20:42.469 --> 01:20:43.249
Emily: and Yeah.
01:20:43.549 --> 01:20:44.029
Yeah.
01:20:44.269 --> 01:20:46.819
All of those ghosts are really
cute, so I think that we should, I.
01:20:47.219 --> 01:20:52.539
Also appreciate that our fears are
important and cute and part of us we
01:20:52.539 --> 01:20:55.039
don't always need a power pill anyway.
01:20:55.099 --> 01:20:55.369
Uh,
01:20:55.414 --> 01:20:59.319
Alicia: an anxious person, like
I, I have a lot of anxieties
01:20:59.679 --> 01:21:06.709
and you just, I had, I have to learn
how to just like accept them and so
01:21:06.709 --> 01:21:09.239
that I can continue moving on with life.
01:21:09.262 --> 01:21:11.622
Jeremy: was gonna say, I feel like
we had a conversation about that
01:21:11.622 --> 01:21:15.702
recently where I was like, you have to
accept that this is a thing that you
01:21:15.702 --> 01:21:19.732
could be anxious about, but that you
can't do anything about it right now.
01:21:20.002 --> 01:21:22.102
So you just put it off to the side.
01:21:22.102 --> 01:21:25.302
Like that's how I puts, how
I deal with anxiety is like,
01:21:25.307 --> 01:21:26.592
can I do anything about this?
01:21:26.592 --> 01:21:26.952
Nope.
01:21:27.432 --> 01:21:27.852
All right.
01:21:29.572 --> 01:21:30.052
Emily: Yeah.
01:21:30.199 --> 01:21:34.549
the tricky part is keeping all that
side anxiety from coming back at
01:21:34.549 --> 01:21:39.272
you when that you know, that rubber
band of reality slip slaps back.
01:21:39.609 --> 01:21:46.389
the idea of an uh, chronically anxious
character as nuanced as Norma is being
01:21:46.389 --> 01:21:51.019
able to kind of utilize that Hulk logic.
01:21:51.419 --> 01:21:55.729
To defend herself and also overpower
a fear demon like this demon feeds
01:21:55.729 --> 01:22:01.979
on fear, but ultimately is not very
like, experienced in dealing with
01:22:02.009 --> 01:22:05.459
neurodivergent people and I think
that's the thing is that demons don't
01:22:05.459 --> 01:22:11.649
go for people that are divergent in
any way because they're unpredictable.
01:22:11.689 --> 01:22:12.309
I, I don't know.
01:22:12.639 --> 01:22:13.029
I'm just
01:22:13.354 --> 01:22:13.714
Alicia: Is that
01:22:13.719 --> 01:22:16.684
what you tell yourself so that you
can like convince yourself that
01:22:16.684 --> 01:22:18.424
demons will not come for your brain?
01:22:18.814 --> 01:22:19.624
Emily: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah,
01:22:19.624 --> 01:22:24.654
No, this is absolute, this is
absolutely how I accept myself.
01:22:25.054 --> 01:22:25.444
Jeremy,
01:22:25.529 --> 01:22:27.239
Alicia: you're like,
I might be weird, but.
01:22:27.484 --> 01:22:29.494
Emily: Yeah, yeah.
01:22:29.524 --> 01:22:29.974
I'm too weird.
01:22:30.004 --> 01:22:33.794
Well, have I told you guys
the story about the in Japan?
01:22:34.659 --> 01:22:34.879
Alicia: No
01:22:35.269 --> 01:22:35.989
Emily: So,
01:22:36.949 --> 01:22:38.269
okay, real quick.
01:22:38.669 --> 01:22:42.479
So I was visiting a friend of mine in
Japan, and he was doing the study abroad
01:22:42.479 --> 01:22:45.779
program and if he was with a host family,
it was really, really awesome family.
01:22:46.179 --> 01:22:51.649
It lived out in this kind of suburb of,
it was more like a the North Bay to Tokyo.
01:22:51.649 --> 01:22:53.959
It was a good 40 minute
train ride from Tokyo.
01:22:54.349 --> 01:22:57.109
And it was in this, this lovely
little town that had like rice
01:22:57.109 --> 01:22:58.909
fields and forests and stuff.
01:22:59.309 --> 01:23:03.479
And there was a uh, comic
shop that I wanted to visit.
01:23:03.854 --> 01:23:06.764
It was open till midnight,
but it was through the woods.
01:23:06.944 --> 01:23:10.294
So I would have to walk from this
town through these woods that had
01:23:10.294 --> 01:23:11.914
a road that had no speed limit.
01:23:11.914 --> 01:23:13.474
There were no streetlights or anything.
01:23:13.874 --> 01:23:17.354
At 11 o'clock at night through the
woods to this, this other town.
01:23:17.754 --> 01:23:20.374
And yeah, they had really rare mangas.
01:23:20.374 --> 01:23:23.584
And you know, now they're all
like, I mean, this is 2002.
01:23:23.844 --> 01:23:26.344
Alicia: See, Emily, this is why
the demons gonna get you because
01:23:26.494 --> 01:23:27.704
they know your weaknesses.
01:23:27.734 --> 01:23:30.344
They're gonna say they're mangas.
01:23:30.694 --> 01:23:37.814
Emily: Well, yeah, like I, yes, su well,
the thing is, my friend Robert, who I
01:23:37.814 --> 01:23:43.804
was visiting is Goth and our host mom for
lack of a better term, I mean, she was,
01:23:43.804 --> 01:23:45.694
she's the, the host mom of the family.
01:23:46.094 --> 01:23:49.574
She was giving us this flashlight
and she's like, here you
01:23:49.574 --> 01:23:50.984
go, watch out for the que.
01:23:51.694 --> 01:23:53.684
And I'm like, I'm sorry, what?
01:23:54.084 --> 01:23:56.574
And Robert is like, oh,
it's like a boogieman.
01:23:56.574 --> 01:23:57.174
Don't worry about it.
01:23:57.174 --> 01:23:59.034
And I'm like, I'm worried about it.
01:23:59.424 --> 01:24:03.124
Like I'm fully worried about
it because this is, you know,
01:24:03.124 --> 01:24:04.984
this, this very, this this very
01:24:04.984 --> 01:24:06.034
serious woman.
01:24:06.434 --> 01:24:06.614
Yeah.
01:24:06.614 --> 01:24:10.544
Like, I don't know if she's, just
fucking with me for funsies, you
01:24:10.549 --> 01:24:12.164
know, which is like cool, whatever.
01:24:12.514 --> 01:24:14.314
Didn't seem like that
kind of person though.
01:24:14.374 --> 01:24:19.664
And she was like, Just watch out for the
oba and, when we came home, she explained
01:24:19.664 --> 01:24:23.408
that like she was worried about the
oba, but the keay, which are the sort of
01:24:23.828 --> 01:24:26.898
trickster foxes also are in those woods.
01:24:27.138 --> 01:24:27.918
And she said, well,
01:24:27.943 --> 01:24:28.393
Alicia: Wait, wait.
01:24:28.393 --> 01:24:30.373
Are those the ones with like seven tails?
01:24:30.918 --> 01:24:33.078
Emily: nine tails, usually
when they're like old.
01:24:33.288 --> 01:24:33.768
Yeah.
01:24:34.278 --> 01:24:38.688
And the kite will play tricks
on you and eat you or something.
01:24:38.718 --> 01:24:41.718
They'll, there's a variety of things
that they do, but apparently she
01:24:41.718 --> 01:24:47.418
wasn't worried about the kite getting
us because Robert was too goth.
01:24:47.868 --> 01:24:51.528
So apparently Kite are afraid of goths.
01:24:51.928 --> 01:24:56.318
And so if Keay can be afraid of
goths, I feel like demons could be
01:24:56.318 --> 01:25:00.738
afraid of how powerful my anxiety is.
01:25:01.238 --> 01:25:04.868
I know it's, it's a stretch of logic, but
I think, you know, the fact that someone
01:25:04.868 --> 01:25:09.158
else, yeah, the fact that the whole
crew over at dead end, Peral Park also
01:25:09.158 --> 01:25:11.318
picked up on, on some of these concepts.
01:25:11.378 --> 01:25:13.058
I feel like there's,
there's something there.
01:25:13.578 --> 01:25:15.298
Alicia: I think there is absolutely.
01:25:15.698 --> 01:25:19.277
So yeah, any other straight
observations about this episode?
01:25:19.667 --> 01:25:22.157
Ben: Just that I thought
this was wonderful.
01:25:22.157 --> 01:25:26.427
I thought, this is a really
great depiction of anxiety being
01:25:26.432 --> 01:25:29.667
overwhelmed uh, social situations.
01:25:30.207 --> 01:25:33.117
Again, terrified of having to
socialize with my coworkers.
01:25:33.117 --> 01:25:35.157
So I feel like they
captured that very well.
01:25:35.557 --> 01:25:35.857
Great.
01:25:35.857 --> 01:25:39.703
Guests are um, I think I just
really wanna highlight the shift in
01:25:39.708 --> 01:25:43.363
art style when we go into Norma's
world, which is so well executed.
01:25:44.068 --> 01:25:44.388
Alicia: Absolutely
01:25:44.778 --> 01:25:48.888
Emily: All the fear worlds were very,
very cinematic in ways even with
01:25:49.068 --> 01:25:50.208
Ben: I like hamster world.
01:25:50.433 --> 01:25:53.013
Emily: yeah, the hamster
world with like the weird
01:25:53.823 --> 01:25:55.173
uh, color.
01:25:55.173 --> 01:25:55.773
Yeah.
01:25:56.323 --> 01:25:56.533
Alicia: like,
01:25:56.533 --> 01:25:57.973
the red being so.
01:25:58.363 --> 01:25:59.713
Emily: it's like, is this Elden ring?
01:26:00.583 --> 01:26:04.513
No, it's a world where hamsters
curl up your sleeves, which is,
01:26:04.843 --> 01:26:08.983
you know, I One thing I do wanna
mention about the fear worlds is
01:26:09.013 --> 01:26:16.433
the the fear, the fear hallucination
that Barney has about his grandma.
01:26:16.753 --> 01:26:22.813
There are a lot of ways that they could
have made that a lot more terrifying.
01:26:23.213 --> 01:26:24.863
Not, well, I don't wanna say terrifying.
01:26:25.163 --> 01:26:29.633
There are a lot of ways they could
have made that a lot more traumatizing
01:26:30.083 --> 01:26:34.863
for members of the audience and
the way that when we watched they
01:26:34.863 --> 01:26:40.693
them, or they slash them the first
thing that they lead with is one of
01:26:40.693 --> 01:26:44.143
the most traumatizing and upsetting
things that can happen to a person,
01:26:44.443 --> 01:26:50.653
which is girl being misgendered
and caught knocked in the shower.
01:26:50.653 --> 01:26:52.963
Like, all this stuff that is
really, really upsetting on
01:26:52.963 --> 01:26:54.673
levels that, you know, whoever was
01:26:55.393 --> 01:26:57.133
uh, yeah.
01:26:57.133 --> 01:27:01.123
And but this movie or this movie,
this show, especially the, the
01:27:01.123 --> 01:27:06.033
fear hallucination that that Varney
has, does not include any slurs,
01:27:06.213 --> 01:27:09.093
dead naming harsh language even.
01:27:09.098 --> 01:27:09.163
Because
01:27:09.733 --> 01:27:11.413
Alicia: But it's still so scary.
01:27:11.418 --> 01:27:15.863
Like it's so perfectly
embodies Barney's fears.
01:27:16.223 --> 01:27:20.783
I think it's one of those things that's
like, it's not scary to watch, but it
01:27:20.788 --> 01:27:22.553
would be scary if it happened to you.
01:27:22.953 --> 01:27:27.783
Like the discordant noise and the
pointing and the incessant pointing.
01:27:27.788 --> 01:27:30.643
You know, it's, I thought
that was very well done.
01:27:30.993 --> 01:27:31.443
Emily: Yeah.
01:27:31.443 --> 01:27:36.878
And it's also I mean, it doesn't
highlight anything that is toxic that
01:27:36.878 --> 01:27:40.988
people could repeat, which I think
is really important for a kid's show.
01:27:41.398 --> 01:27:44.848
Alicia: Yeah, I guess kids could
just point at each other really hard.
01:27:45.583 --> 01:27:46.263
Jeremy: I already do that.
01:27:46.663 --> 01:27:49.250
Emily: they, yeah, they already
do that they do a really good
01:27:49.255 --> 01:27:50.810
job of highlighting the fear.
01:27:50.810 --> 01:27:53.923
And, you know, with the context
of the rest of the episodes, we,
01:27:53.923 --> 01:27:59.083
we know why grandma is, or Grammy
Graham is upsetting to Barney.
01:27:59.353 --> 01:28:01.633
We don't need the specifics.
01:28:02.033 --> 01:28:05.783
And I think that that's important
because so many people dismiss
01:28:05.788 --> 01:28:08.938
when you are harassed or when
you are dead named or whatever.
01:28:09.538 --> 01:28:11.988
People could say, well, those
are just words people say, have
01:28:11.988 --> 01:28:13.308
the same argument for slurs.
01:28:13.308 --> 01:28:15.455
Like why are slurs so, powerful?
01:28:15.605 --> 01:28:16.385
They're just words.
01:28:16.785 --> 01:28:17.955
It's not the words.
01:28:18.268 --> 01:28:23.948
And I thought it was a really great
poignant way for the of kids show
01:28:24.348 --> 01:28:30.651
to express that without dismissing
or reducing the experience.
01:28:30.656 --> 01:28:31.911
Two words, if that
01:28:32.086 --> 01:28:32.286
Alicia: Absolutely.
01:28:33.076 --> 01:28:33.466
Yeah.
01:28:34.066 --> 01:28:36.556
So, Jeremy, I believe there's
some questions that you
01:28:36.556 --> 01:28:37.906
usually ask around this time.
01:28:38.296 --> 01:28:41.046
Jeremy: Yeah, I, I think most
of them we've honestly answered.
01:28:41.096 --> 01:28:41.246
I.
01:28:41.646 --> 01:28:46.966
We've all sort of agreed that it, it
deals with L G B T issues very well in
01:28:46.966 --> 01:28:52.666
the, the form of Barney and, and further
on, I think in Barney and logs quite
01:28:52.666 --> 01:28:58.056
a bit as their, you know, relationship
as through Yeah, well there are other
01:28:58.176 --> 01:29:01.706
characters with queer identities,
but none of those are discussed in
01:29:01.711 --> 01:29:03.770
these shows that we're talking about.
01:29:03.770 --> 01:29:05.150
But there is more to that.
01:29:05.660 --> 01:29:08.746
I do also think like this is one
of the more interesting and nuanced
01:29:08.746 --> 01:29:10.936
depictions of both anxiety and autism.
01:29:11.316 --> 01:29:16.296
Usually our questions about mental health
and, and illness boil down to trauma.
01:29:16.796 --> 01:29:20.376
But this one is actually like very,
sort of interested in nuanced in,
01:29:20.376 --> 01:29:25.996
in discussing and depicting both
autism and general social anxiety.
01:29:26.570 --> 01:29:28.220
We've already talked about quite a bit.
01:29:28.620 --> 01:29:30.630
Do we feel like this the
show is feminist guys?
01:29:31.030 --> 01:29:31.570
Emily: yeah,
01:29:31.780 --> 01:29:32.500
Ben: Oh yeah.
01:29:32.590 --> 01:29:33.280
I mean,
01:29:33.550 --> 01:29:34.030
Emily: Especially
01:29:34.120 --> 01:29:36.760
Ben: yeah, we got Courtney Norma.
01:29:36.760 --> 01:29:37.870
I mean, this is all full of.
01:29:38.270 --> 01:29:42.470
Three dimensional, well developed
women characters like who
01:29:42.980 --> 01:29:44.660
got plenty of stuff going on.
01:29:44.660 --> 01:29:46.730
Plenty of focus on the main cast.
01:29:46.730 --> 01:29:50.486
Yeah, there's definitely a good
gender balance in the show, I think.
01:29:50.886 --> 01:29:52.596
Emily: It doesn't suffer from tokenism.
01:29:52.996 --> 01:29:53.146
Jeremy: Yeah.
01:29:53.146 --> 01:29:58.816
I think a lot of the characteristics that
are often depicted in male characters are
01:29:59.176 --> 01:30:00.856
shown through female characters in this.
01:30:00.856 --> 01:30:03.406
We do have, you know, Courtney
is sort of the, the trash
01:30:03.406 --> 01:30:05.926
person uh, or demon in her case.
01:30:06.266 --> 01:30:10.456
I, I feel like there's a large
tendency for, for almost every
01:30:10.456 --> 01:30:15.386
socially anxious or autistic character
that I've seen on TV has been male.
01:30:15.866 --> 01:30:20.286
And I, I think this is, unusual and
extremely well done in that case.
01:30:20.686 --> 01:30:23.176
We, we don't get as much of it in
these first few episodes, but I think
01:30:23.176 --> 01:30:26.796
Baria as a character gets better
and more interesting as, as we go
01:30:26.796 --> 01:30:29.286
and starts to fill out quite well.
01:30:29.796 --> 01:30:30.216
Trying to think.
01:30:30.216 --> 01:30:33.966
I mean, obviously there's
Pauline who is sort of a villain.
01:30:34.086 --> 01:30:35.706
She is a villainist in some ways.
01:30:36.086 --> 01:30:39.656
And sort of an extreme
example in a, a lot of ways.
01:30:40.166 --> 01:30:43.946
But yeah, there's this a pretty
well gender balanced cast.
01:30:44.426 --> 01:30:47.776
The, the weird face I was making earlier
that Emily started to ask about is I
01:30:47.781 --> 01:30:51.506
was looking at the cast and I realized
that it's a very interesting cast just
01:30:51.506 --> 01:30:55.556
generally, but Josh, who is one of
the sort of the white guy theme park
01:30:55.556 --> 01:30:58.666
worker that they're friends with, who
only appears in like five episodes, is
01:30:58.671 --> 01:31:00.796
voiced by Patrick Stump of Fallout Boy.
01:31:01.166 --> 01:31:01.386
Alicia: Oh,
01:31:01.896 --> 01:31:02.056
Emily: Sing.
01:31:02.322 --> 01:31:02.842
Ben: That's fun.
01:31:03.392 --> 01:31:03.512
Jeremy: yeah.
01:31:03.512 --> 01:31:04.832
And this for like five episodes.
01:31:05.012 --> 01:31:06.512
It's just like, it's a strange choice.
01:31:06.822 --> 01:31:07.752
Emily: He does sing.
01:31:08.162 --> 01:31:09.782
Alicia: he, he is a singer, doesn't he?
01:31:09.787 --> 01:31:12.672
Isn't he like doing this job until
he gets discovered or something?
01:31:13.062 --> 01:31:17.312
Emily: I don't, I don't remember that
bit, but I, I do remember he does start
01:31:17.317 --> 01:31:19.267
the music for the musical episode.
01:31:19.677 --> 01:31:19.897
Alicia: Huh?
01:31:20.287 --> 01:31:23.374
Jeremy: Yeah, I, it's, it's
generally a really interesting cast.
01:31:23.474 --> 01:31:26.534
Especially like some of
the, the later episodes.
01:31:26.614 --> 01:31:31.624
We meet, we do meet Tamal Lucas's sister,
later Zain, who's played by MJ Rodriguez.
01:31:32.164 --> 01:31:35.224
So there's, there's like a lot, a
really interesting group of people
01:31:35.224 --> 01:31:37.774
that we, we get throughout the series.
01:31:38.314 --> 01:31:41.314
It's really well cast What about race?
01:31:41.314 --> 01:31:43.984
How, how do we generally feel about
how race is dealt with in this?
01:31:44.384 --> 01:31:48.054
Ben: I mean, it, it doesn't seem like
it's ever being addressed directly.
01:31:48.054 --> 01:31:51.234
But again, this is a wildly diverse cast.
01:31:51.239 --> 01:31:57.144
I mean, you have a Jewish, a Jewish
and Iranian American in the le
01:31:58.209 --> 01:31:58.629
Emily: Mm-hmm.
01:31:58.799 --> 01:31:59.319
Alicia: Pakistani.
01:31:59.709 --> 01:32:01.539
Ben: sorry, Pakistani American in the le
01:32:01.939 --> 01:32:04.269
, Emily: like I said, it's,
doesn't suffer from tokenism.
01:32:04.669 --> 01:32:10.619
It, it's the, the character's
identities are not, the characters
01:32:10.619 --> 01:32:12.059
aren't defined by their race.
01:32:12.109 --> 01:32:12.379
Which I
01:32:12.544 --> 01:32:14.609
Alicia: their race does
inform their characters.
01:32:14.609 --> 01:32:17.609
Their ethnicity and culture
does form who they are.
01:32:17.759 --> 01:32:18.049
Yeah,
01:32:18.319 --> 01:32:18.619
Emily: Yeah.
01:32:18.979 --> 01:32:19.939
Which is important.
01:32:19.939 --> 01:32:22.609
I think it's, it's an important thing
'cause you know, you can't ignore it.
01:32:23.199 --> 01:32:23.559
Alicia: agreed.
01:32:23.719 --> 01:32:28.274
Emily: I also wanna mention the, I
appreciate the depiction of Barney.
01:32:28.674 --> 01:32:30.084
As a larger person.
01:32:30.284 --> 01:32:35.744
, it's, you know, it is acknowledged, but
it is not an issue for the character.
01:32:35.844 --> 01:32:36.114
Jeremy: Yeah.
01:32:36.114 --> 01:32:41.384
Ne never is it implied by either
Barney or in later episodes, Barney's
01:32:41.384 --> 01:32:45.524
romantic partner logs that like, this
is a thing that needs to be fixed.
01:32:45.924 --> 01:32:46.019
know,
01:32:46.224 --> 01:32:50.944
Alicia: Yeah, I absolutely love the
fact that in later episodes we find out
01:32:50.949 --> 01:32:53.154
that Barney is pretty athletic as well
01:32:53.329 --> 01:32:53.619
Emily: Yeah,
01:32:54.444 --> 01:32:57.474
Alicia: and really
enjoys going to the gym.
01:32:57.834 --> 01:32:58.254
Um,
01:32:58.324 --> 01:32:59.129
Jeremy: pro wrestling
01:32:59.274 --> 01:33:01.044
Alicia: and he loves pro wrestling
01:33:01.154 --> 01:33:03.674
Ben: Yeah, we, I, I got far enough
to the episode where he tried
01:33:03.674 --> 01:33:05.534
to suplex a giant enemy crab
01:33:05.844 --> 01:33:06.624
Alicia: yes.
01:33:08.174 --> 01:33:08.804
Ben: spoilers.
01:33:08.804 --> 01:33:09.644
It did not work.
01:33:10.884 --> 01:33:12.524
Alicia: So, would you all recommend this?
01:33:12.914 --> 01:33:14.954
Ben: Yeah, I'm probably
gonna keep watching it.
01:33:15.074 --> 01:33:15.284
I
01:33:15.284 --> 01:33:15.634
think.
01:33:15.834 --> 01:33:19.774
I mean, I know it ends on the
cliffhanger and fell victim to the
01:33:20.344 --> 01:33:22.414
greatest grim reaper of them all.
01:33:22.504 --> 01:33:23.584
Netflix,
01:33:23.779 --> 01:33:24.349
Emily: God, I.
01:33:24.919 --> 01:33:27.299
Jeremy: It only, it doesn't,
doesn't, I'm trying to think if
01:33:27.299 --> 01:33:28.879
it really ends on a cliffhanger.
01:33:28.879 --> 01:33:33.169
Like they definitely set more stuff
up to happen, but I do feel like it
01:33:33.569 --> 01:33:37.919
both seasons sort of resolved the
larger conflict in those seasons.
01:33:38.429 --> 01:33:41.939
So I don't feel like it's like
several of the mystery shows on
01:33:41.939 --> 01:33:45.629
Netflix that have, like, died
without anything being resolved.
01:33:46.034 --> 01:33:48.614
Ben: oh, as a big fan of Archive 81.
01:33:49.199 --> 01:33:50.309
Emily: Oh, Jesus.
01:33:51.209 --> 01:33:51.769
So, sorry.
01:33:52.259 --> 01:33:53.639
Jeremy: least there's a podcast of that.
01:33:53.639 --> 01:33:56.679
I, I don't know how closely
the two relate, but yeah.
01:33:57.079 --> 01:33:59.569
Emily: I, I've only seen,
like I said, I've only seen
01:33:59.599 --> 01:34:02.109
the first season of dead end.
01:34:02.139 --> 01:34:05.359
And I don't know what happens
in the second season, but
01:34:05.364 --> 01:34:07.109
just a spoilers real quick.
01:34:07.619 --> 01:34:12.489
That design of, I guess it's an
angel maybe is so incredible.
01:34:12.549 --> 01:34:14.199
Like, it's so unique.
01:34:14.689 --> 01:34:15.529
Jeremy: You talking about fingers?
01:34:15.929 --> 01:34:17.849
Emily: maybe the, the
one that looks like a
01:34:17.909 --> 01:34:18.449
Alicia: A hand.
01:34:18.839 --> 01:34:19.409
Emily: no,
01:34:19.809 --> 01:34:20.319
no,
01:34:20.914 --> 01:34:21.454
Alicia: Oh, okay.
01:34:21.844 --> 01:34:24.484
Emily: the, the one that shows up
at the very end of the first season
01:34:24.934 --> 01:34:25.294
anyway.
01:34:25.694 --> 01:34:25.814
Jeremy: Hmm.
01:34:26.284 --> 01:34:26.574
Okay.
01:34:26.984 --> 01:34:27.249
Alicia: Yeah.
01:34:27.609 --> 01:34:28.029
Okay.
01:34:28.389 --> 01:34:32.009
Do you have any other things that you
would recommend if people like this
01:34:32.114 --> 01:34:32.534
Ben: I mean
01:34:32.619 --> 01:34:33.009
Alicia: check out?
01:34:33.399 --> 01:34:37.629
Ben: this is probably the lowest
hanging fruit that we've ever
01:34:37.629 --> 01:34:39.429
done for these recommendations.
01:34:39.429 --> 01:34:42.884
But I think we can all
agree on Gravity falls.
01:34:43.959 --> 01:34:45.619
Alicia: Yes, absolutely.
01:34:46.196 --> 01:34:49.616
Ben: I mean, I, I I mean, I could
feel the Gravity falls influence
01:34:49.616 --> 01:34:51.566
in like every inch of this show.
01:34:52.496 --> 01:34:56.926
Not, not in a bad way, just like,
but yeah, this is like, yeah,
01:34:56.926 --> 01:35:00.926
if you like this and you haven't
seen Gravity falls, Holy shit.
01:35:00.926 --> 01:35:02.486
Go watch Gravity falls.
01:35:02.726 --> 01:35:03.636
You are with yourself.
01:35:04.036 --> 01:35:04.246
Emily: Yeah.
01:35:04.246 --> 01:35:05.756
I feel, go ahead.
01:35:06.221 --> 01:35:07.301
Jeremy: I could do a list.
01:35:07.701 --> 01:35:09.691
I feel like there's a list here.
01:35:09.721 --> 01:35:14.181
'cause I, I feel like owl House is, to
me the, the most obvious one because
01:35:14.181 --> 01:35:17.071
it has a lot of the same scary stuff.
01:35:17.071 --> 01:35:19.231
Fun show queer characters.
01:35:20.161 --> 01:35:20.671
Yeah.
01:35:21.121 --> 01:35:24.701
You know, I think both of them
have a lot of the same D n A as
01:35:24.706 --> 01:35:30.561
Keo which is, you know, in a lot of
ways Owl House, but post-apocalyptic
01:35:30.561 --> 01:35:32.721
rather than magical World.
01:35:33.121 --> 01:35:35.651
oh, you were gonna say Keo, Alicia?
01:35:35.701 --> 01:35:35.821
Alicia: was,
01:35:36.211 --> 01:35:36.571
Jeremy: Yeah.
01:35:37.061 --> 01:35:37.481
Alicia: I have a
01:35:37.871 --> 01:35:43.051
Jeremy: And yeah, and I mean it also in,
in some ways, I think the, the character
01:35:43.051 --> 01:35:47.161
dynamics of, of the lead two characters,
especially in some ways, remind me of
01:35:47.161 --> 01:35:52.111
Star versus the forces of Evil where,
you know, you have the the, the female
01:35:52.111 --> 01:35:57.521
character who is the more, like, was
that also your secondary recommendation?
01:35:58.421 --> 01:35:58.571
You're
01:35:58.746 --> 01:35:59.886
Alicia: recommending things.
01:36:00.816 --> 01:36:04.026
I said recommend one thing
and you took three of mine.
01:36:04.416 --> 01:36:07.336
Jeremy: You wanna, you wanna recommend
the Ghost and Molly McGee or,
01:36:07.381 --> 01:36:07.921
Alicia: No,
01:36:08.341 --> 01:36:09.241
you recommend it.
01:36:09.631 --> 01:36:11.851
Jeremy: infinity Train is
another one that I feel
01:36:12.176 --> 01:36:13.316
Alicia: that's, you watch that
01:36:14.176 --> 01:36:15.016
Emily: I love, I, yeah.
01:36:15.136 --> 01:36:17.486
Alicia: and people can't find it anymore.
01:36:17.666 --> 01:36:18.536
That's the really sad
01:36:18.556 --> 01:36:19.426
Emily: oh, that's, yeah,
01:36:19.426 --> 01:36:22.836
Ben: Yo ho, ho and a
bottle of stolen shows.
01:36:23.766 --> 01:36:24.616
Emily: Yoho Ho and a bottle.
01:36:24.696 --> 01:36:25.296
A bit torrent.
01:36:25.696 --> 01:36:28.516
Ben: Hey, so I'm just throwing out
this out there for no particular
01:36:28.516 --> 01:36:33.133
reason, but uh, what series Id
make of that, what you will.
01:36:33.533 --> 01:36:34.153
Emily: Sounds good.
01:36:34.563 --> 01:36:35.623
Alicia: Emily, what would you recommend?
01:36:36.013 --> 01:36:37.693
Emily: Well, I mean al like the Al House
01:36:37.693 --> 01:36:40.453
and the Infinity Train and all
that kind of stuff, and you
01:36:40.453 --> 01:36:41.863
knows Stephen Universe in there.
01:36:41.863 --> 01:36:46.799
There's a, this new wave of cartoons
that are really, you know, I think
01:36:46.799 --> 01:36:52.444
adjacent to this and, and kind of
are, are lovely pairings with this to,
01:36:52.449 --> 01:36:54.724
to sound as Sonoma County as I can.
01:36:55.324 --> 01:37:00.774
But one thing I would recommend actually,
that is if you wanna go back to some
01:37:00.779 --> 01:37:09.494
roots of these programs check out real
Monsters and the Beetlejuice cartoon.
01:37:09.799 --> 01:37:10.019
Alicia: Aw,
01:37:10.574 --> 01:37:11.444
Emily: Um,
01:37:11.759 --> 01:37:11.979
Alicia: Iki?
01:37:12.554 --> 01:37:15.358
Emily: yeah, these cartoons
were nineties cartoons.
01:37:15.358 --> 01:37:16.228
They were ahead of their time.
01:37:16.228 --> 01:37:19.333
They're not as, deft at
dealing with these issues
01:37:19.733 --> 01:37:20.453
at all.
01:37:20.458 --> 01:37:25.423
However the character of Beetlejuice
and the character of Lydia Dietz do
01:37:25.423 --> 01:37:30.193
have some things to say about you
know, maybe not Neurodivergence because
01:37:30.193 --> 01:37:32.393
they're very much, well, more nuanced.
01:37:32.598 --> 01:37:33.078
Alicia: odd.
01:37:33.168 --> 01:37:33.408
Yeah,
01:37:33.533 --> 01:37:33.983
Emily: Yeah.
01:37:34.573 --> 01:37:40.483
Beetlejuice is a demon spoilers But the
fact that that Beetlejuice iss idea of
01:37:40.483 --> 01:37:47.993
hell is like militarized, cutesy things,
I think is something that deserves a
01:37:47.993 --> 01:37:51.093
little like consideration for the time.
01:37:51.573 --> 01:37:55.383
And, you know, the, the characterization
of the, the sort of spooky characters
01:37:55.383 --> 01:38:00.723
in those shows are so fun and weird
that I highly would recommend it I
01:38:00.723 --> 01:38:02.583
should say, I would highly recommend it.
01:38:02.983 --> 01:38:03.493
But yeah.
01:38:03.493 --> 01:38:05.348
So, check out Beetlejuice.
01:38:05.758 --> 01:38:07.088
Alicia: All right, well, cool.
01:38:07.298 --> 01:38:11.493
Well, my final recommendation would be
to watch Hilda, which is also on Netflix.
01:38:11.603 --> 01:38:15.573
Hilda is just also based on
a graphic novel, absolutely.
01:38:15.573 --> 01:38:23.833
Darling and Precious and has a very
similar dry humor that this show has as
01:38:23.833 --> 01:38:26.963
it's dealing with a main character who I.
01:38:27.748 --> 01:38:32.228
Has adventures with lots of
different creatures and, you know,
01:38:32.498 --> 01:38:34.388
develops their own found family.
01:38:34.928 --> 01:38:38.468
They also have a really,
really, really cool librarian.
01:38:38.868 --> 01:38:42.418
So yes, I absolutely
would recommend Hilda.
01:38:42.808 --> 01:38:44.308
Emily: I love Hilda.
01:38:45.068 --> 01:38:45.698
Alicia: Absolutely.
01:38:46.088 --> 01:38:46.328
Emily: Yeah.
01:38:46.328 --> 01:38:50.168
Whenever I feel like I need a, I
need a little shot of cottage core
01:38:50.568 --> 01:38:52.278
and I also need to stay awake.
01:38:52.678 --> 01:38:53.458
I watch Hilda.
01:38:53.458 --> 01:38:55.288
If I don't need to stay
awake, I watch Moin,
01:38:55.638 --> 01:38:55.968
Alicia: Yeah.
01:38:56.398 --> 01:38:59.338
And I feel like I
understand David like a lot.
01:38:59.398 --> 01:39:03.368
You know, David's a real, he's real
Arnold from the Magic School bus.
01:39:03.368 --> 01:39:03.848
Like
01:39:04.258 --> 01:39:05.308
Emily: absolutely.
01:39:05.378 --> 01:39:08.648
Alicia: have stayed home today and I
feel like I understand him so well.
01:39:09.048 --> 01:39:13.758
I also really love the episode where their
friend's room gets really messy and she's
01:39:13.758 --> 01:39:15.558
like, look at what happens to my room.
01:39:15.558 --> 01:39:18.828
And they watch it or like a video
of her all, all night and they're
01:39:18.833 --> 01:39:20.298
like, you just messed up your room.
01:39:20.298 --> 01:39:23.898
And she was like, yeah, I mess up my
room and it cleans itself every morning.
01:39:23.903 --> 01:39:24.648
Does it yours?
01:39:25.008 --> 01:39:25.968
And they were like, okay, wait.
01:39:25.998 --> 01:39:30.018
That's the weird thing is that
your room is cleaning itself and
01:39:30.038 --> 01:39:30.458
Emily: Yeah.
01:39:30.588 --> 01:39:31.488
Alicia: staying messy,
01:39:31.628 --> 01:39:31.778
Emily: Yeah.
01:39:31.778 --> 01:39:32.648
not that not that
01:39:32.658 --> 01:39:33.168
Alicia: brilliant.
01:39:33.458 --> 01:39:35.048
Emily: sleep messing your room.
01:39:36.803 --> 01:39:40.163
Because you know that, I can't remember
her name, that character's name.
01:39:40.563 --> 01:39:44.043
I'm blinking on everybody's name and
Hilda, other than Hilda and David,
01:39:44.443 --> 01:39:45.673
Jeremy: Woodman's a real one.
01:39:45.733 --> 01:39:46.573
That's all I know.
01:39:46.618 --> 01:39:46.828
Emily: one
01:39:46.958 --> 01:39:47.228
Alicia: what meant
01:39:47.248 --> 01:39:47.878
Emily: a real one.
01:39:48.458 --> 01:39:49.118
Alicia: Frida.
01:39:49.558 --> 01:39:50.158
Emily: Frida.
01:39:50.431 --> 01:39:55.001
Like I love that about Frida, that she can
mess a room at mess up her room at night
01:39:55.001 --> 01:39:56.741
because she definitely needs an outlet.
01:39:57.941 --> 01:40:01.301
She is a very powerful, powerful being.
01:40:01.331 --> 01:40:06.471
And, you know, life is not, is
is not powerful enough for her
01:40:06.476 --> 01:40:09.531
unless she has to do a few things
to make it more challenging.
01:40:09.531 --> 01:40:09.921
So
01:40:10.221 --> 01:40:12.656
Alicia: and the kid who uh, played Hilda.
01:40:13.346 --> 01:40:16.556
Um, I shouldn't say kid
because she's like 19 now.
01:40:16.556 --> 01:40:22.466
So she's an adult, but you may
recognize her as a Leona Mormon.
01:40:22.856 --> 01:40:24.116
Ben: Oh, Bella Ramsey.
01:40:25.046 --> 01:40:27.086
Emily: Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes.
01:40:27.176 --> 01:40:28.286
Ben: They play Hilda.
01:40:28.686 --> 01:40:28.926
Yes.
01:40:28.926 --> 01:40:30.636
Bella Ramsey uses they them pronouns.
01:40:31.046 --> 01:40:31.316
Alicia: Thank
01:40:31.516 --> 01:40:32.146
Emily: Oh, good to know.
01:40:32.556 --> 01:40:33.366
Alicia: I did not know that.
01:40:33.366 --> 01:40:34.386
I was trying to look it up really
01:40:34.616 --> 01:40:35.666
Ben: Yes, they are.
01:40:36.006 --> 01:40:38.606
Also Ellie and the last of us
01:40:39.686 --> 01:40:41.096
Emily: Oh, cool.
01:40:41.496 --> 01:40:44.276
Ben: on H B O, and they are
out in proud non-binary.
01:40:45.306 --> 01:40:45.936
Emily: Awesome.
01:40:45.986 --> 01:40:46.516
Alicia: Good for them.
01:40:46.906 --> 01:40:49.666
Emily: Do they do the singing
Voice of Hilda as well?
01:40:50.076 --> 01:40:51.306
Alicia: I don't know.
01:40:51.696 --> 01:40:55.066
Emily: Because when Hilda
sings as cute as, as cutest
01:40:55.466 --> 01:40:55.676
Ben: All
01:40:55.676 --> 01:40:56.066
right.
01:40:56.786 --> 01:40:57.896
But we should probably wrap up.
01:40:58.366 --> 01:40:59.136
Jeremy: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:40:59.156 --> 01:40:59.661
Alicia: should.
01:40:59.711 --> 01:41:03.581
I feel like we've been talking for a
while, but thanks y'all for watching TV
01:41:03.581 --> 01:41:08.141
with me and do we know what television
we are consuming for next week?
01:41:08.531 --> 01:41:08.751
Emily: No.
01:41:10.411 --> 01:41:10.891
Alicia: All right.
01:41:10.991 --> 01:41:14.021
I would suggest evil just
because I wanna rewatch it.
01:41:14.091 --> 01:41:15.351
But those episodes
01:41:15.371 --> 01:41:18.591
Ben: With, uh, yeah,
evil starring Luke Cage.
01:41:18.591 --> 01:41:18.951
Next
01:41:19.111 --> 01:41:20.191
Alicia: Exactly.
01:41:20.941 --> 01:41:22.141
Luke Cage and
01:41:22.521 --> 01:41:26.011
Ben: I will be calling him
Luke Cage, the whole episode.
01:41:26.161 --> 01:41:30.271
Emily: Is, is Evil the one with
like the Exfil, the Vatican
01:41:31.201 --> 01:41:32.191
Ben: Yeah,
01:41:32.321 --> 01:41:32.742
Alicia: yeah, yeah.
01:41:32.831 --> 01:41:35.751
And it's set in the good wife, good fight
01:41:36.151 --> 01:41:36.811
universe.
01:41:37.521 --> 01:41:39.681
Ben: That can't be true.
01:41:41.971 --> 01:41:42.181
Alicia: Yeah.
01:41:42.181 --> 01:41:45.721
He's also, he's also in the
Good Fight and the good wife.
01:41:45.751 --> 01:41:46.021
He
01:41:46.111 --> 01:41:47.101
He plays a
01:41:47.111 --> 01:41:47.976
Jeremy: different character in
01:41:48.231 --> 01:41:48.651
Ben: As the
01:41:48.651 --> 01:41:49.091
same can.
01:41:49.751 --> 01:41:49.971
Oh,
01:41:50.161 --> 01:41:52.441
Alicia: like they bring up Hi.
01:41:52.471 --> 01:41:55.381
They bring that up, like,
they're like, oh, this guy.
01:41:55.381 --> 01:41:58.771
And he is like, oh, I was out of
town for whenever we were doing this.
01:41:58.771 --> 01:42:01.721
Like, they kind of imply a
connection, but yeah, they're
01:42:01.721 --> 01:42:03.161
all set In the same universe.
01:42:03.161 --> 01:42:05.921
I was really hoping that Diane
would show up at some point on
01:42:06.271 --> 01:42:06.691
Ben: Gotcha.
01:42:07.231 --> 01:42:08.551
So next week, evil.
01:42:09.811 --> 01:42:10.291
Alicia: all right.
01:42:10.516 --> 01:42:12.226
I don't know how to end the show, so,
01:42:12.601 --> 01:42:13.581
Jeremy: you have to tell people that.
01:42:13.616 --> 01:42:15.746
Alicia: thank you all for, for coming.
01:42:15.796 --> 01:42:20.836
Thank you Jeremy Emily and Ben for
hanging out with me this evening.
01:42:21.086 --> 01:42:22.646
Where can people find you online?
01:42:23.036 --> 01:42:25.401
Ben: Hit me up on Twitter at Ben the Con
01:42:25.401 --> 01:42:26.961
or@benconcomics.com.
01:42:28.476 --> 01:42:28.806
Emily: I'm on.
01:42:28.806 --> 01:42:34.006
Twitter is Mega Moth and the website,
mag moth.net and mega moth on Patreon.
01:42:34.321 --> 01:42:34.951
Alicia: Awesome.
01:42:35.341 --> 01:42:37.461
Jeremy: I am on Twitter, but
you probably shouldn't be.
01:42:37.871 --> 01:42:38.021
Alicia: All
01:42:38.031 --> 01:42:38.611
Ben: That's true.
01:42:38.681 --> 01:42:39.341
Alicia: fantastic.
01:42:39.601 --> 01:42:40.251
Ben: Don't go on Twitter.
01:42:40.661 --> 01:42:41.291
Alicia: Okay.
01:42:41.291 --> 01:42:46.311
And as for me, you can find me on
Twitter at alicia Whitley where I
01:42:46.581 --> 01:42:49.281
mostly write about teaching stuff.
01:42:49.581 --> 01:42:50.931
And that's pretty much it.
01:42:51.451 --> 01:42:55.081
So thanks everyone for
joining me today and thank you
01:42:55.086 --> 01:42:56.941
audience at home for listening.
01:42:57.361 --> 01:42:59.851
And until next time, stay horrified.
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Jeremy: Are you gonna do an intro, Alicia?
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Alicia: I was gonna wait for you to do it.
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I wasn't gonna steal it from you
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Jeremy: No.
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It's all you today.
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Go for it.
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Alicia: Good evening and welcome to
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where something does something and
something else does something else.
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I'm your host Alicia Whitley, and I
totally stole this intro from Jeremy.
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Didn't write it down and so completely
forgot what I'm supposed to say.
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Ben: Well I liked it.
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Zuri: When we hold horror progressive
standards, it never agreed to.
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Alicia: Thank you.
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Jeremy: No, my daughter has my back.
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My wife doesn't know what the intro
to the podcast is, despite editing it.
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But my daughter Zuri
knows what the intro is.
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Alicia: Sorry.
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Did you just read that off of something?
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Zuri: No, you've made
me listen to it enough.
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Ben: I do love that you're all
each paired up with the one
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that looks the most like you.
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So it just looks like
rookie and champion form.
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Dig eman.
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Amara: We didn't know this.
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Alicia: We didn't?
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Amara: No.
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Well.
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At least I didn't.
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Alicia: All right.
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So tonight we are going to be
talking about Dead end Paranormal
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Park, the Netflix children Show.
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And in order to help us talk
about that, we've got some real
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live children on the podcast.
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So,
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Jeremy: child correspondence?
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Alicia: special child correspondence.
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So I guess you usually start Jeremy
by introducing each of the hosts and
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then introducing the special guests.
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Right.
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Jeremy: Usually.
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Yes.
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Alicia: All right.
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So first up your host and my B f F for
life writer and creator, Jeremy Whitley.
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Jeremy,
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Jeremy: it's me.
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I didn't also prepare a thing to
introduce myself, so here we are.
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Yay.
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Also, I don't know if, Alicia,
did you introduce yourself?
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Alicia: I did not, I just said
I was stealing the show, so
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Jeremy: Uh, Let me introduce uh,
your host for tonight and my wife
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and educator, Alicia Whitley.
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Not my educator, just my wife.
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Everybody's educator.
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Alicia: Mm-hmm.
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Also, on the podcast tonight,
we have co-hosts, Ben and
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Emily how y'all doing tonight?
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Ben: Good.
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We're kicking off TV month with dead
end and the whole Whitley family.
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Emily: Indeed, indeed.
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The uh, creators of this show and of
some of our co-hosts as well Jeremy
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and Alicia, it is lovely to be here.
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And also Zuri and MariJo, how are you
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Alicia: No, you gotta say it
because people will be, will see it.
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So you have to
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Jeremy: Zuri is wave.
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Apparently
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Emily: yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I know this is an audio medium.
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Zuri: She said, how are you?
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Oh, I'm
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Ben: what?
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That's a mood.
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I also feel wave
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Emily: Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Zuri: All I heard was my name.
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Ben: the vibes are physically present.
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Mentally and spiritually.
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That's not a reflection on
this Very good show, though.
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That's just a reflection
on my mess of a life.
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Alicia: All right.
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So let's dive in.
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So the girls are going to join us for
a little bit of the podcast tonight.
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We wanted to hear from real life
kids opinions about this kid's show.
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So, Zuri, let's start with you.
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uh, What brings you to tonight's episode?
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Zuri: my mother.
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That's who brought me.
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Emily: just your mother.
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Ben: I also feel like a certain
other parent's getting off easy here.
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Zuri: I really enjoyed the show.
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I thought it was interesting.
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It has a lot of humor bits, but it also
has a lot of real life concepts mixed
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in somehow making it like perfect.
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Alicia: I agree.
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I think it's a pretty perfect show.
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Amara, can you tell us what Dead
end fair, normal park is about?
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Amara: Fair stuff.
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Ghosts, monsters,
basically just evil stuff.
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Alicia: Absolutely.
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Can you-
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Amara: Evil stuff that's
actually nice and talking stuff.
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Jeremy: So the main characters
are a ghost and a monster
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Alicia: No.
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So who are the main characters?
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Amara: Barney?
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Mm-hmm.
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Ugly.
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Who's a dog?
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A talking dog.
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A magic dog.
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A normal dog.
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Emily: Very good.
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Amara: The Norma, who is not
very normal there go very good.
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And she's very grown up.
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Alicia: Yes.
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Is there anything before you
go that you wanna say that you
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like or dislike about this show?
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Amara: I, I don't like that it's a
kids show and they put actual scary
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parts, but I do like how the, the scary
parts that aren't supposed to be scary
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are funny instead of just not scary.
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Yeah.
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And one of them was really sad, like
one of the parts, because in the first
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episode it's like, well, I'm not sure.
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You don't remember.
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So I do remember.
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I just don't wanna say it.
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Oh, okay.
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Is it too sad?
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So I don't know how to explain it.
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Oh, you
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Jeremy: Why didn't you just say it?
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Alicia: Actually, I
don't know how to say it.
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Okay.
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I dunno how to describe it.
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Okay.
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Who is your favorite character?
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Hmm.
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Zuri: My favorite character is Courtney.
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Alicia: You don't have to
lean into the microphone.
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N b A player style.
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Amara: Well now you have
to pick someone else.
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Jeremy: I'm only on this podcast
because I'm required to be,
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Alicia: That's exactly
Zoe's attitude right now.
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Go ahead.
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You can pick Courtney.
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Okay, good.
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Ben: Sarah is only here
so she doesn't get fined.
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Alicia: Yeah,
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Ben: She's Marsha.
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She's, giving us the full
Marsha on Lynch tonight.
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Amara: I picked Courtney
because she's kid-like.
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Alicia: Oh, Hmm.
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I can see that.
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Yeah.
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All right, so I did have two more
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Jeremy: hold on.
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I wanna know what Zuri
likes about Courtney.
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Alicia: Oh, yeah.
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Zuri: I think Courtney is a fun
character for comedy relief, but
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they also give her her own storyline.
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Amara: And her own song for some reason.
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Hmm.
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She has a song.
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Mm-hmm.
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Oh, I don't
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Zuri: has a verse in a song.
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Alicia: Oh, nice, nice.
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Amara: It's like the last episode.
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Because she gets her own song when
like Pugsley puts a curse on everybody.
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Mm.
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I remember.
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I remember.
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And then it's like, it goes so
far all the way over to the house.
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Alicia: Nice.
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All right.
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The last question that I wanted to
ask you all before you jump off is
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do any, do any of these episodes.
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Feature things that you're,
that actually make you scared,
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that are actually scary to you?
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Yes.
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Okay.
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Amara: The first episode where,
where she's in the mirrors.
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That one's pretty scared.
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Oh.
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But you wanna know the funniest part.
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I think about the first episode.
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Mm-hmm.
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The part where she's screaming
and the microphone comes too
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close, so she has to like push up.
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So it's got scary stuff and funny stuff.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That, that is pretty funny.
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Zuri: I'm not nearly as scared of
mirrors as Amara seems to be, but in the
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Alicia: Well, wait, wait, wait, wait.
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It's not the mirror she's afraid of.
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It's the person like in the
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Jeremy: the ghost in the mirrors.
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Alicia: Yeah.
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Zuri: Okay.
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Well, either way, in episode three
with harmony Norma's fear was of
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being judged and I, as a middle
schooler can relate to that.
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And also Pugsley sphere was vacuums,
and that's very valid as well.
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Alicia: You're afraid of vacuums?
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No, pugsley spears, vacuums.
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'cause he is a dog.
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Yeah.
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But zuri, are you afraid of vacuums?
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Zuri: not always, but sometimes
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Jeremy: just afraid of chores, huh?
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Amara: She is of torture.
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Alicia: Uri.
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Are you afraid of being tortured
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Zuri: Yes.
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Amara: like Courtney?
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Ben: I mean, that's a great fear.
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It's a very valid
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Zuri: I
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Ben: fear.
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Zuri: mean, Yeah.
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Amara: Courtney's basically being tortured
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Jeremy: Yeah.
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Nothing to fear, but torture.
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Ben: That is not a fear you
need to face or overcome.
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Just, just keep on
avoiding being tortured.
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Alicia: Okay, Ben, Emily, did any of
these episodes hit on any of your fears?
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Emily: Yeah.
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Well, there's, yes.
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thought of losing Pugsley yeah, the.
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Ben: Yeah.
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Emily: Yeah,
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Ben: Jeremy, Alicia, you, you know, I
don't, I don't do well with animal death.
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Emily: yeah.
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That was very upsetting.
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And also the, the, the episode
with harmony harm many where there
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was that fear of being judged.
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And I, there's a really good point Zuri
because it's not, I mean, Dorma is a
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fear of being judged, but so does Barney,
but in it's kind of a different way.
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Um,
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Ben: this isn't a, a different way
pertaining to work-life balances
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and the terror that is corporate
culture, but being forced to
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socialize outside the office,
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Zuri: Mm-hmm.
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Well, one is like being accepted by
your family and judged by the people
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that are close to you and others is
just strangers in general judging you.
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Ben: I just wanna know, are they
getting paid for that beach day?
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Alicia: I wanna know
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Ben: should be on the clock.
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Those should be billable hours.
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Alicia: is paying them?
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Emily: Yeah.
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That's a good question.
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Ben: question.
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Emily: Who arranged harm many
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to come and harm them?
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Amara: Well, I wanna know who's
paying them because like the
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owner of Phoenix Park is dead.
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So who is paying them?
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Because she's not paying them because
she's, because she's ghost and dead and
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she doesn't have any money apparently.
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Alicia: And then Courtney
is the one who hired them,
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Emily: Yeah.
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Alicia: but
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Jeremy: Courtney is a literal demon, which
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Ben: Yeah.
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Which they other characters just
assume is like a red, a horned person.
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Alicia: Yeah.
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Well you know what Pauline
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Phoenix always says if you
see something paranormal.
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Ben: Like yet
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Jeremy: it to yourself, sweetheart.
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Ben: of a reaction
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Alicia: Yep.
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Ben: to anything going on,
which I love this show.
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This is a very enjoyable show.
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But I guess if you drill it down to
as hard as we do in here, and maybe
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it all gets mixed, like I know there's
Lord and mythologies and mysteries.
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But that there is that little bit of
like, wait, how is this all working?
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Emily: Yeah,
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Ben: just like being on, just like, you
know, it takes you out of it a little bit.
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Zuri: You shouldn't
think about it too much.
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Ben: Yeah.
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Emily: Yeah.
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Absolutely.
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Well, I, I feel like
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Jeremy: it wouldn't be the,
Courtney wouldn't be the worst
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demon I've worked for, so.
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Emily: right?
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Yeah.
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Like, you know, some payroll somewhere,
especially amusement park payroll,
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I'm sure is all tied up with the,
the powers of demons and demon kind.
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So, whether it be automated or just some
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Ben: I mean,
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Emily: underworld horror, managing
everybody's bank account which I
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think isn't very far from reality.
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Ben: other things that scared me
in these episodes I am very scared
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for Barney's Health subsisting off
an entire amusement park food diet
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Alicia: yeah,
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Emily: yeah.
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Alicia: That's pretty
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Ben: that breakfast popcorn did not like.
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I am concerned,
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Emily: I think he learns
to cook eventually.
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I mean, there's a lot of things that we
don't see, but I think that, you know, he,
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Ben: I'm worried about there being
an open flame in that haunted house.
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There's no way there's a
working sprinkler system.
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Amara: I think it's kind of weird how
after he used the fountain as a bath.
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Oh, a bath just showed up.
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Yeah.
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That was weird.
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Emily: yeah,
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Zuri: don't worry
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about Barney's life.
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It's from Norma's perspective,
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Alicia: Hmm.
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Zuri: we don't, care about Barney.
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Alicia: What
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Emily: I care about Barney.
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Alicia: care about,
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Zuri: We should care about
Barney, but I don't know
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Jeremy: if we do.
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Ben: He's
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Amara: oh, you wanna know
the funniest episode to me?
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Hmm.
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The one where Pugsley just makes like a
lot about himself and then it's like a
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bunch of Pugsley just Oh, the one where
he, where Pugsley is like, Barney, Barney.
00:12:06.716 --> 00:12:07.536
Barney Barney, yeah.
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All over the place.
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Yeah.
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That's pretty good.
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All right.
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Ladies, Zuri Amara.
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If, let's say somebody likes Dead
End Paranormal Park as a certified
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kid, what else would you recommend
them reading, watching, playing,
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if they are fans of this show?
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What,
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Jeremy: If people like this,
what else should they watch?
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Alicia: or read Amara.
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You said something very interesting
when I asked you this earlier.
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What do you think people should
read if they like this show?
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Amara: So, there's, this show was
based off of a book, so I think
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maybe they should try buying that,
but I haven't really read it myself.
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I just know it's based off
the, the book, so, yeah.
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Yeah, I agree.
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I bet it's a like it
because I, it, I think so.
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Hold on, mom.
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Yeah.
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So you read something in your journal
and I wanna show them what- Well,
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can Zuri answer the question first
before you go showing my journal?
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Sure.
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One minute.
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Zuri: Um, my suggestions are probably
more for my age and up, or like
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a mature younger kid, so probably
parental supervision, but I was
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thinking a series of unfortunate events.
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Has that the funny and
scary and ironic bit?
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Alicia: The books or the TV show?
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Both.
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Zuri: I haven't read the books,
but I think the TV show on Netflix
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reminds me a lot of dead end.
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Alicia: Yeah, absolutely.
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I was gonna say Hilda, but we
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Zuri: Well, it's not exactly scary.
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Alicia: the trolls.
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Actually the trolls are just
really cute, but that's exactly
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what it turns out about.
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Courtney.
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She's a demon who's actually just cute.
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Anyway, Amara wanted to show
you my sketches that I did.
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Emily: Love them.
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I love them.
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I also, I sketched Courtney while I was
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Zuri: drew a puppy.
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Emily: well.
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Oh good.
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What kind of puppy?
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What
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Alicia: So every, everybody's sketches.
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Aww.
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Emily: Oh,
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Alicia: That's cute.
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All right, ladies.
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Goodnight.
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I love you night.
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Love you.
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Zuri: Goodnight.
00:14:10.285 --> 00:14:11.665
Emily: thank you for joining us.
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Jeremy: Love you.
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Emily: So sweet.
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Jeremy: Yes.
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Alicia: All right.
00:14:17.292 --> 00:14:19.032
So they are headed off upstairs.
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Night, night baby.
00:14:20.212 --> 00:14:25.937
And I did Barney Night, night, Barney,
Imar didn't mention it, but that was
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one of her favorite parts is like,
at the end of the first episode where
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tells Pugsley goodnight and Pugsley
just goes Night, night, Barney.
00:14:32.680 --> 00:14:37.120
so tonight we are talking about Dead End
Paranormal Park, the 2022 series uh, that
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has two seasons currently on Netflix.
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It is created by Hamish Steele, I mean,
it's got a wonderful cast in this show.
00:14:44.081 --> 00:14:44.796
We've got Zach.
00:14:44.840 --> 00:14:49.706
Barack, Cody Kavita, Emily
Osmond, Alex Brightman and Miss
00:14:49.711 --> 00:14:51.926
Coco, Peru as Pauline Phoenix.
00:14:52.406 --> 00:14:56.801
So each episode is about
26 to 27 minutes long.
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It is for ages seven plus.
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But it is kid horror, I would say.
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So I thought that it would be perfect to
talk about in August when we're thinking
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about getting ready to go back to school
and like, what can we watch on tv, what
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are some small bites that we can have.
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So I figured what I'd do is kind of
give a short recap of each episode
00:15:17.806 --> 00:15:21.256
and then give us some time to talk
about the episodes and then recap
00:15:21.656 --> 00:15:26.686
and then debrief instead of doing all
three episodes all the way across.
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I'm gonna try to not give
too many future spoilers.
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But first let me ask like, have you
watched the, did you watch the rest of the
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series or did you stop at three episodes?
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Ben: I was able to watch the first five
episodes in time for this podcast tonight.
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Emily: I was able to finish season one.
00:15:45.061 --> 00:15:48.411
So I'd actually watched up
to episode nine, which I
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think is the musical episode.
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Alicia: Okay.
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Emily: then I re-watched it because
I, I tried to keep my, get myself back
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on track with the, with the Meta Poot.
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And then I also re-watched the
first three episodes just to
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kind of get myself reacquainted.
00:16:01.466 --> 00:16:05.556
'cause I watched it back I think it was
earlier this year when I watched it first.
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So I have no idea what happens
in season two, but I, I do know
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what happens at the end of season
one, which was pretty interesting.
00:16:15.146 --> 00:16:17.216
But I won't spoil anything at this point.
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Ben: So really Emily did a much better
job preparing this week than I did.
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It still is the message.
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Emily: I had seen more of this show
initially, like I'd seen, watched it
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extracurricularly I can't remember
who brought it to me, but it was
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one of my younger friends who was
uh, tangentially associated with
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my class and, and artist community.
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So, I will say that I.
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Barney, the character looks like
and, has a similar life circumstance
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as a bunch of my students.
00:16:50.166 --> 00:16:51.156
So it was
00:16:51.206 --> 00:16:54.506
Ben: see, I see multiple
Barneys, every flame con,
00:16:55.046 --> 00:16:57.326
not intentional, cosplays just,
00:16:57.641 --> 00:16:58.181
Emily: Yeah,
00:16:58.766 --> 00:16:59.246
Ben: yeah,
00:16:59.646 --> 00:17:01.176
Alicia: Unintentional cosplay,
00:17:01.396 --> 00:17:01.906
Ben: Yeah.
00:17:02.306 --> 00:17:03.626
Cosplay in spirit.
00:17:04.026 --> 00:17:06.526
Emily: Whoever designed the
Barney character really, really
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knew who they were discussing.
00:17:08.726 --> 00:17:09.236
Alicia: Jeremy.
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Jeremy: Yeah, I, I agree.
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Um, I have seen all of both seasons
uh, with you and, and the girls.
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I forgot going back to these first three
episodes, how much stuff they say and lay
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out in those first couple episodes because
there's, you know, there's a lot of stuff
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that'll be picked up on later, but like,
we get a lot of information about both,
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you know, both Barney and Norma Courtney.
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I think they deal with a lot
more in the second season.
00:17:39.493 --> 00:17:44.066
But uh, yeah, we get a lot of stuff
about both of them right off the bat.
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I mean, I think the first episode is a
little more Barney's episode and the third
00:17:48.386 --> 00:17:53.996
episode is a little more Norma's and then
Pugsley gets a lot of the second episode.
00:17:54.326 --> 00:17:55.256
Ben: Yeah.
00:17:55.541 --> 00:17:55.931
Emily: Yeah.
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Jeremy: but yeah, it was,
it was interesting to me.
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There's there's so much stuff that
they sort of say off the bat it gets
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followed up on in those episodes and
a couple of places where I was like,
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Hey is this a metaphor for this?
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No, that's reductive.
00:18:09.010 --> 00:18:10.870
Oh no, the show just said
it's a metaphor for this.
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Got it.
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Ben: I mean, this is a show that
uses a talking dog as a metaphor
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for being trans, and it works.
00:18:21.370 --> 00:18:21.550
It
00:18:21.550 --> 00:18:22.150
works.
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Emily: Yeah, I, that was the one thing I
really, really wanted to talk about and
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discuss with y'all is the acceptance of
your dog's ability to talk, being some
00:18:32.190 --> 00:18:38.160
sort of allegory to the acceptance of or,
or your family's acceptance of transition.
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Jeremy: You wanna hold
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Off on that until the second
episode, since that's what basically
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Alicia: That is, yeah, that's
00:18:42.840 --> 00:18:43.230
Emily: yeah, that
00:18:43.230 --> 00:18:45.690
is the, that's, yeah,
that's the second episode.
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But the first episode um, does
start with Barney, like the first
00:18:49.978 --> 00:18:54.003
character, other than the horror
scene that kind of sets the tone.
00:18:54.033 --> 00:18:56.643
Ben: Starts with Barney using
enough hairspray to put a new
00:18:56.643 --> 00:18:58.383
hone like hole in the ozone layer.
00:18:58.788 --> 00:18:59.868
Alicia: yes.
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Yeah, I absolutely wanted
to talk about that.
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All right, so let's dive in.
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So episode one starts off with
a legitimate horror house.
00:19:07.598 --> 00:19:12.578
We start off with a woman running into
this haunted looking house, and she's
00:19:12.578 --> 00:19:18.238
like, ah, ah, and she does the whole
horror thing that everyone does where
00:19:18.238 --> 00:19:22.678
they run upstairs in a house and then
they fall on the stairs and then they
00:19:22.683 --> 00:19:27.448
like keep running and she gets to like
this hall of mirrors and she's like, oh,
00:19:27.448 --> 00:19:29.188
let me just fix my little blonde wig.
00:19:29.278 --> 00:19:29.998
I look nice.
00:19:29.998 --> 00:19:33.478
And then a horrible, like, figure like
shows up and the lights flash off.
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And that's how we start the show.
00:19:35.458 --> 00:19:39.688
And as Amara said, like that is the
part that legitimately frightens
00:19:39.693 --> 00:19:43.978
her, like, scary thing in mirrors,
which I get, I that would, that
00:19:43.978 --> 00:19:45.448
would get, it's, it's pretty.
00:19:45.868 --> 00:19:46.528
It's pretty creepy.
00:19:46.928 --> 00:19:52.218
So then we cut to Barney Guttman,
who is our main protagonist.
00:19:52.588 --> 00:19:58.488
Now I couldn't tell if Barney was spraying
his hair blue, like using um, hairspray
00:19:58.488 --> 00:20:03.228
dye or just spraying his hair so that
it would hold its cool upward shape.
00:20:03.228 --> 00:20:06.328
But either way, Barney
is spraying his hair.
00:20:06.328 --> 00:20:09.868
Barney is Jewish and
trans and loves his dog.
00:20:09.868 --> 00:20:10.378
Pugsley.
00:20:10.383 --> 00:20:14.055
These are the things that we find
out by the end of the first episode.
00:20:14.625 --> 00:20:16.965
And he also loves dinosaurs and wrestling.
00:20:17.240 --> 00:20:18.700
Ben: Who doesn't love dinosaurs?
00:20:18.885 --> 00:20:19.575
Emily: Very relatable.
00:20:20.655 --> 00:20:25.105
Ben: also I, I hope it's hairspray
because otherwise that is just like
00:20:25.495 --> 00:20:27.475
Alicia: That's a lot of blue dye
00:20:27.545 --> 00:20:28.155
Emily: Relatable.
00:20:28.155 --> 00:20:28.275
Yeah.
00:20:28.315 --> 00:20:32.935
Ben: Like that is just like hollow, like,
there's no legit spray dye like that.
00:20:32.935 --> 00:20:37.345
Is that fucking Halloween hair dye?
00:20:37.375 --> 00:20:37.665
Alicia: Yeah.
00:20:37.825 --> 00:20:41.175
We have some that like I would use
to spray my hair blue and green
00:20:41.175 --> 00:20:43.605
for game days at school, you know?
00:20:44.355 --> 00:20:44.685
Yeah.
00:20:44.685 --> 00:20:46.515
Nothing that stays like it.
00:20:46.695 --> 00:20:49.635
The red will look cool, but
it gets on everything else.
00:20:49.635 --> 00:20:52.395
And then your move, your bathroom
looks like a horror movie.
00:20:52.485 --> 00:20:53.085
Ben: yeah.
00:20:53.265 --> 00:20:58.495
So for the sake of like the laundry
machine, I hope it's just hairspray.
00:20:59.245 --> 00:20:59.695
Emily: Same.
00:20:59.875 --> 00:21:00.205
Same.
00:21:00.205 --> 00:21:01.135
Although there's a lot of hair.
00:21:01.135 --> 00:21:04.655
I mean like he seems to go
through that like once a day.
00:21:04.705 --> 00:21:05.335
Ben: about it.
00:21:05.335 --> 00:21:07.705
Like, Barney, did you
pack, you're running away.
00:21:07.710 --> 00:21:09.805
Did you pack it, change your clothes?
00:21:10.205 --> 00:21:12.245
Are you, you eat your food, your
00:21:13.310 --> 00:21:14.740
Alicia: Do you have enough hairspray?
00:21:15.400 --> 00:21:19.535
Ben: Barney did you, you did
not plan this like running away.
00:21:19.595 --> 00:21:20.285
Do you have a
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Alicia: not.
00:21:21.320 --> 00:21:23.570
Barney does not plan this running away.
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Well, so, we also open on
the song is from Caveman.
00:21:28.710 --> 00:21:33.760
And I cannot remember the name of the song
right now, but is it Caveman or Cave Town?
00:21:33.790 --> 00:21:34.510
Oh man,
00:21:34.750 --> 00:21:37.840
Jeremy: you had a bunch of
uh, cave town tabs open in
00:21:37.930 --> 00:21:38.530
Alicia: that's it.
00:21:38.800 --> 00:21:43.950
So the song that is playing is from Cave
Town and Cave Town is also a trans artist.
00:21:43.950 --> 00:21:49.290
So they picked a music by a trans
artist, um, to put into the show.
00:21:49.290 --> 00:21:53.500
So I think that's like another
little hint about Barney's identity.
00:21:53.900 --> 00:21:59.540
There is a human wanted for job flyer that
is on the wall that is signed by Courtney.
00:21:59.900 --> 00:22:03.890
And I love the aesthetics of this
human wanted for job because it
00:22:03.895 --> 00:22:08.536
totally looks like Courtney got
into like, word perfect or like, Ms.
00:22:08.541 --> 00:22:14.576
Paint like was doing like word art that
basically starts with hello fellow humans.
00:22:14.876 --> 00:22:19.526
And like one of the images on it is like a
business image and it even has a watermark
00:22:19.526 --> 00:22:23.216
on it because clearly Courtney has just
stolen it from the internet somewhere.
00:22:23.633 --> 00:22:25.103
Uh, To put up this flyer
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Ben: I wanna know what Kinkos Courtney
is going to to get these printed.
00:22:29.042 --> 00:22:31.592
Emily: Like there's a whole lot
of stuff provided at this park.
00:22:31.597 --> 00:22:36.432
I mean, the park has concession stands
and souvenir shops and things like that.
00:22:36.432 --> 00:22:41.482
Like, I don't know if someone's
made the survival reality show of
00:22:41.482 --> 00:22:44.632
like, can you live on everything
that's available at Disneyland?
00:22:45.032 --> 00:22:47.551
Terrifying, but
00:22:47.956 --> 00:22:48.706
Alicia: I watch it.
00:22:48.841 --> 00:22:49.441
Emily: possible.
00:22:49.441 --> 00:22:49.981
Yeah.
00:22:50.071 --> 00:22:50.491
Yeah,
00:22:50.721 --> 00:22:53.321
Ben: entire societies are
underneath Disneyland.
00:22:53.721 --> 00:22:54.261
Alicia: Yeah.
00:22:54.516 --> 00:22:55.116
Emily: yeah,
00:22:57.111 --> 00:22:59.691
Alicia: Pauline's theme park
is basically Dollywood, right?
00:22:59.691 --> 00:23:01.761
It's like a Dollywood parody.
00:23:02.121 --> 00:23:04.911
You know, Pauline is
this book some blonde.
00:23:06.176 --> 00:23:09.036
Ben: It's like if Dolly
Parton was also Elvira.
00:23:09.141 --> 00:23:10.041
Alicia: Exactly.
00:23:10.386 --> 00:23:11.046
Emily: Yes.
00:23:11.271 --> 00:23:16.701
Alicia: She has movies and music and
television shows, and it's got, I
00:23:16.701 --> 00:23:22.221
think, five um, zones that are all based
on different aspects of her career.
00:23:22.521 --> 00:23:27.291
And the other thing I love about
Pauline Phoenix is the fact that
00:23:27.291 --> 00:23:30.921
she's got this really country accent,
except for occasionally when it
00:23:30.921 --> 00:23:36.471
slips and she says things like You
all and sit right next to Darling.
00:23:36.501 --> 00:23:40.991
And it's like, oh my, like Pauline,
everything about Pauline is like,
00:23:41.887 --> 00:23:44.647
Emily: The whole Atlantic coastline?
00:23:44.857 --> 00:23:45.577
Her.
00:23:47.842 --> 00:23:49.162
Alicia: She's like, Moira Rose.
00:23:49.167 --> 00:23:53.032
Just like this indistinguishable
accent that you could tell Izzy put on.
00:23:53.037 --> 00:23:53.962
But what is it?
00:23:54.292 --> 00:23:54.562
What?
00:23:54.682 --> 00:23:55.612
What did she put on?
00:23:55.612 --> 00:23:56.272
We don't know.
00:23:56.827 --> 00:23:57.067
Emily: Not
00:23:57.197 --> 00:24:01.687
Jeremy: I, I had about Pauline throughout
is, is Pauline supposed to be a drag
00:24:01.687 --> 00:24:07.937
queen or is she just supposed to be the
sort of real woman that drag queens like
00:24:07.937 --> 00:24:10.457
to base their, their personas off of?
00:24:10.487 --> 00:24:14.087
Because she is giving heavy
drag queen vibes and she is.
00:24:14.702 --> 00:24:16.622
She is voiced by a drag queen.
00:24:17.012 --> 00:24:20.282
And I, I, I could never figure
out which it was supposed to be.
00:24:20.532 --> 00:24:22.862
Alicia: But is the character a drag queen?
00:24:22.862 --> 00:24:23.912
Is that what you're asking?
00:24:24.452 --> 00:24:24.722
Yeah.
00:24:24.722 --> 00:24:26.192
I wondered that as well.
00:24:26.192 --> 00:24:28.352
But what I think later.
00:24:28.752 --> 00:24:33.762
At, at another episode we learned
that Pauline's been working in like
00:24:34.122 --> 00:24:35.802
television since she was a baby.
00:24:36.132 --> 00:24:39.472
She looked the exact same as
a baby, so I think that's like
00:24:39.872 --> 00:24:40.112
Emily: Yeah.
00:24:40.112 --> 00:24:42.782
I think especially considering
where they, the directions that
00:24:42.782 --> 00:24:43.922
they go with the character.
00:24:44.402 --> 00:24:48.662
You know, I don't, I don't mind
having a, a drag queen character
00:24:48.667 --> 00:24:51.822
that is as over the top as she is.
00:24:52.212 --> 00:24:56.782
But I do, I think, Honestly, I think
she's, what the la the latter of
00:24:56.782 --> 00:25:00.721
what Jeremy said is she is the kind
of character, like a fare caricature
00:25:01.231 --> 00:25:06.441
woman who is like, say, I should
say actress a caricature actress
00:25:06.651 --> 00:25:10.901
that a lot of drag queens emulate
because of the size of her hair.
00:25:11.681 --> 00:25:14.501
But, I mean, I did think like, at, at the
00:25:14.501 --> 00:25:15.131
beginning.
00:25:15.236 --> 00:25:16.416
Ben: in a far side cartoon.
00:25:16.566 --> 00:25:17.096
That hair,
00:25:17.741 --> 00:25:18.821
Emily: Yeah, yeah.
00:25:18.821 --> 00:25:21.251
Or like in Mars attacks or
00:25:21.346 --> 00:25:24.226
Ben: with the kids making far side jokes.
00:25:24.791 --> 00:25:25.121
Emily: Yeah.
00:25:25.721 --> 00:25:26.981
Kids love Farside.
00:25:27.401 --> 00:25:31.721
The the, at, at first I was really
hopeful that she was a drag queen
00:25:31.751 --> 00:25:34.091
because of those, those vibes.
00:25:34.091 --> 00:25:37.481
But her character is a lot more Hollywood.
00:25:38.361 --> 00:25:41.571
Not to say that drag queens aren't,
but they are in a different way.
00:25:41.991 --> 00:25:46.801
Um, she's, she's a lot more
old school Hollywood than,
00:25:46.846 --> 00:25:50.566
Ben: I got a very classic gay icon
00:25:50.821 --> 00:25:51.601
Emily: yeah, yeah,
00:25:51.801 --> 00:25:53.906
Ben: from her, you know, in
00:25:54.191 --> 00:25:54.971
Alicia: So you think she's just
00:25:55.016 --> 00:25:56.936
Ben: of her screaming,
00:25:57.431 --> 00:25:57.911
Emily: yeah.
00:25:58.061 --> 00:25:58.751
Or uh,
00:25:58.801 --> 00:25:59.041
Ben: Shannon.
00:25:59.041 --> 00:26:02.601
I would, but you know, just in
that kind of like Liza Minelli way,
00:26:03.146 --> 00:26:03.446
Alicia: Yeah.
00:26:03.896 --> 00:26:04.376
Emily: yeah.
00:26:05.036 --> 00:26:05.416
Yeah.
00:26:05.713 --> 00:26:09.900
Alicia: So Barney is getting ready
for this job interview and nearby
00:26:10.130 --> 00:26:15.680
, Norma Khan is also in a room in her
bedroom, is full of Pauline Phoenix
00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:18.840
memorabilia as well as that same flyer.
00:26:18.845 --> 00:26:23.400
So Barney's Room has like
dinosaur poster wrestling poster.
00:26:23.800 --> 00:26:26.800
Norma's room is just head
to toe, Pauline Phoenix.
00:26:26.800 --> 00:26:28.840
Like this is her obsession.
00:26:29.055 --> 00:26:29.345
Ben: does
00:26:29.410 --> 00:26:31.420
Name count as something scary?
00:26:31.420 --> 00:26:34.990
If it brings up memories of
being snapped at and told, why
00:26:34.990 --> 00:26:36.700
can't you just be a normal con?
00:26:36.865 --> 00:26:37.975
Emily: Uh hmm.
00:26:38.565 --> 00:26:40.515
Ben: Or is that a little
too specific to me?
00:26:40.915 --> 00:26:44.185
Emily: I think we can get specific,
if you're cool with getting specific,
00:26:44.585 --> 00:26:45.815
Alicia: A normal con.
00:26:46.025 --> 00:26:47.375
You're a great con.
00:26:47.767 --> 00:26:48.967
Emily: You're an ideal con.
00:26:49.117 --> 00:26:52.537
Alicia: Yeah, you're an, you're an icon.
00:26:54.727 --> 00:26:55.717
Emily: That's so good.
00:26:55.852 --> 00:26:56.752
Ben: I love it.
00:26:56.797 --> 00:26:57.727
Emily: That's really good.
00:26:58.267 --> 00:26:59.797
I'm mad that I didn't think of that.
00:27:01.747 --> 00:27:05.402
Alicia: Okay, so Barney identifies
his fear of confrontation.
00:27:05.432 --> 00:27:09.692
Like, when talking to his mother about
like, what is my biggest, personality
00:27:09.692 --> 00:27:11.882
flaw as he's preparing for this interview.
00:27:12.282 --> 00:27:15.882
And then immediately turns around and
lets his mom know that he won't be
00:27:15.887 --> 00:27:20.212
confronting Grammy Graham who's coming
over for cheese list, mac and cheese.
00:27:20.812 --> 00:27:24.352
Because Grammy Graham is
not ready to accept Barney.
00:27:24.742 --> 00:27:28.492
And that's kind of the first hint
that we get that Barney is trans.
00:27:28.612 --> 00:27:31.972
Ben: I I kind of feel like even beyond
that cheese list, mac and cheese is a
00:27:31.972 --> 00:27:34.042
valid enough reason to run away from home.
00:27:34.442 --> 00:27:36.482
Alicia: He, he wanted the
cheese, mac and cheese.
00:27:36.882 --> 00:27:38.382
His mom said it's his favorite.
00:27:38.782 --> 00:27:40.072
Emily: is Barney vegan?
00:27:40.102 --> 00:27:40.492
Like is
00:27:40.552 --> 00:27:40.702
Ben: Yeah.
00:27:40.702 --> 00:27:41.699
is Bar vegan
00:27:42.012 --> 00:27:42.912
Alicia: was wondering that too.
00:27:42.912 --> 00:27:44.772
I was like, wait, is Barney vegan?
00:27:45.172 --> 00:27:48.802
And like later he has a nightmare
about having to eat brisket.
00:27:49.102 --> 00:27:52.182
So I was laying maybe, but I don't know.
00:27:52.422 --> 00:27:55.632
Emily: which makes uh, living
at that theme park even that's
00:27:55.632 --> 00:27:58.062
just another layer of intensity.
00:27:58.212 --> 00:27:59.622
Ben: is Popcorn Vegan?
00:28:00.162 --> 00:28:01.962
Alicia: I mean, yes, until you had butter.
00:28:02.322 --> 00:28:02.832
Emily: yeah.
00:28:02.892 --> 00:28:03.342
Yeah.
00:28:03.742 --> 00:28:05.572
You can make popcorn with olive oil.
00:28:05.707 --> 00:28:09.577
Alicia: Yeah, you can make, I've made
popcorn with sunflower oil and uh,
00:28:09.853 --> 00:28:10.783
Ben: is chicken par vegan?
00:28:11.254 --> 00:28:16.294
Alicia: and everybody says that like,
nutritional and yeast tastes cheesy.
00:28:16.504 --> 00:28:18.364
That's a lie that vegans tell.
00:28:18.664 --> 00:28:19.114
Okay.
00:28:19.114 --> 00:28:22.804
It doesn't, they just haven't eaten cheese
in a while because I was like, okay, let
00:28:22.804 --> 00:28:26.734
me buy this big bucket of nutritional
yeast and sprinkle it on my popcorn.
00:28:26.734 --> 00:28:30.194
And I was not happy with the result
00:28:30.594 --> 00:28:31.014
anyway.
00:28:31.179 --> 00:28:31.469
Emily: Have
00:28:31.469 --> 00:28:31.589
you
00:28:31.824 --> 00:28:34.674
Jeremy: a moment for
about Norma's mom, Swathi?
00:28:35.074 --> 00:28:35.824
Alicia: Oh, yeah.
00:28:36.304 --> 00:28:36.874
Yeah.
00:28:37.174 --> 00:28:40.370
Because while Barney's mom is
like, passively supportive, like,
00:28:40.400 --> 00:28:43.370
oh, you're going out for that
job, it'll probably be fine.
00:28:43.375 --> 00:28:48.170
Oh, you know, Grammy Graham isn't
ready to accept your new identity.
00:28:48.170 --> 00:28:49.640
You know, she's kind of reticent.
00:28:50.452 --> 00:28:51.802
Norma's mom is like
00:28:52.162 --> 00:28:53.302
Jeremy: the most supportive?
00:28:53.572 --> 00:28:53.632
Alicia: the
00:28:53.827 --> 00:28:55.117
Ben: So supportive,
00:28:55.402 --> 00:28:56.302
Alicia: too supportive.
00:28:56.497 --> 00:28:59.437
Ben: Norma's Mom is here to
like chew bubble gum and be
00:28:59.442 --> 00:29:01.447
supportive and she's all outta gum.
00:29:02.137 --> 00:29:02.227
Emily: Right.
00:29:02.692 --> 00:29:03.082
Jeremy: Yeah.
00:29:03.087 --> 00:29:05.812
It, it was interesting to me when Alicia
and I were watching this, I was talking
00:29:05.817 --> 00:29:10.972
about what sort of like a reversal of the
stereotype of the South Asian mom she is.
00:29:11.512 --> 00:29:14.572
'cause you know, she's, she's
fine with her kid living with her.
00:29:14.572 --> 00:29:15.652
That's not the problem.
00:29:15.652 --> 00:29:20.239
She just wants her to go out there and
make friends and, you know, be social.
00:29:20.704 --> 00:29:25.024
Ben: I'm glad I watched far enough to
get to the Christmas in July to establish
00:29:25.564 --> 00:29:27.754
that this takes place during the summer.
00:29:27.934 --> 00:29:31.864
'cause I also had the thought of, wait,
did Barney just dropped outta school?
00:29:32.264 --> 00:29:34.004
Is Barney now just a straight up.
00:29:34.404 --> 00:29:36.654
Teenage runaway who dropped out of school.
00:29:37.054 --> 00:29:41.224
Alicia: So I believe that in the
books Barney is 20 and I think
00:29:41.224 --> 00:29:44.794
that Canonically, he's supposed
to be 17 when the show starts.
00:29:45.209 --> 00:29:47.069
Jeremy: Yeah, they aged
them down for the show.
00:29:47.599 --> 00:29:50.324
'
Ben: cause I was getting
real, like 16 vibes from
00:29:50.324 --> 00:29:50.444
the
00:29:50.534 --> 00:29:51.344
Alicia: was too.
00:29:51.747 --> 00:29:55.973
so skipping ahead a little bit we were
introduced to Norma's paralyzing fear of
00:29:55.973 --> 00:30:00.406
people when Barney and her both get on
the same bus and she becomes convinced
00:30:00.406 --> 00:30:05.276
that, oh, I forgot, Barney leaves out
of the house and Pugsley comes with
00:30:05.276 --> 00:30:09.776
him and like makes very sad face until
Barney agrees to take Pley with him.
00:30:10.206 --> 00:30:10.426
Ben: Aw.
00:30:11.126 --> 00:30:14.966
Alicia: So, yeah, so Barney and Pugsley
are on the bus to go to this interview
00:30:15.446 --> 00:30:19.436
and Norma's like, oh, I'm sitting next to
this weird guy who's talking to himself.
00:30:19.436 --> 00:30:21.476
And Barney says, you're the
only one talking to yourself.
00:30:21.476 --> 00:30:21.836
Norma.
00:30:21.841 --> 00:30:23.936
And Norma flips out and goes,
how did you know my name?
00:30:24.356 --> 00:30:27.236
And Barney was like, ah,
we were lab partners.
00:30:27.236 --> 00:30:29.666
I was, we've gone to school together.
00:30:29.666 --> 00:30:31.016
You've lived down the street.
00:30:31.016 --> 00:30:33.086
And she's like, I'm bad
with names and faces.
00:30:33.486 --> 00:30:39.716
And I think that is one of the reasons
why Barney feels comfortable with
00:30:39.721 --> 00:30:46.436
her, because Barney can literally be
himself with her because she does not
00:30:46.436 --> 00:30:49.166
remember Barney at all from school.
00:30:49.436 --> 00:30:54.536
'cause she was not like paying attention
to who he was or his past identity.
00:30:55.016 --> 00:30:56.336
So she was like, oh, okay.
00:30:56.608 --> 00:31:00.446
Jeremy: they'll deal with this a lot
more in, Episode three, and then in,
00:31:00.446 --> 00:31:02.546
in future episodes down the line.
00:31:02.576 --> 00:31:05.996
But like Norma is a really
interesting, intentional
00:31:05.996 --> 00:31:07.796
depiction of somebody with autism.
00:31:08.206 --> 00:31:13.834
Because like she hyper fixates
and she has, uh, social anxiety.
00:31:13.834 --> 00:31:17.858
She doesn't know how to deal with
people and she feels like an autistic
00:31:17.858 --> 00:31:22.148
character written by an autistic
author to me, I feel like, yeah,
00:31:22.364 --> 00:31:27.064
Ben: But how she felt, nothing like the
clips of the good doctor that I've seen.
00:31:27.494 --> 00:31:27.714
Emily: Oh
00:31:28.114 --> 00:31:28.414
Ben: She
00:31:28.414 --> 00:31:30.394
didn't have any fights with Dr.
00:31:30.814 --> 00:31:31.054
Hanh,
00:31:31.504 --> 00:31:33.124
Alicia: no, I saw that clip.
00:31:33.124 --> 00:31:34.684
It was so terrible.
00:31:34.869 --> 00:31:35.944
Ben: of the most watched shows in
00:31:36.236 --> 00:31:39.644
Alicia: But she even says something
about like, if I don't get this job
00:31:39.684 --> 00:31:43.314
you know, what else will I spend
the next 15 years hyper fixating on?
00:31:43.314 --> 00:31:46.614
So, like, she's very clear about
00:31:46.904 --> 00:31:50.444
Ben: No, I loved episode three
and the focus on her anxiety.
00:31:51.269 --> 00:31:51.569
Emily: Yeah.
00:31:52.019 --> 00:31:54.899
Jeremy: a good doctor has six seasons
and has been renewed for a seventh,
00:31:55.374 --> 00:31:56.514
Alicia: This really bothers you.
00:31:56.604 --> 00:31:58.854
We've talked about this multiple times.
00:31:59.065 --> 00:32:00.115
Emily: bothers me too.
00:32:00.475 --> 00:32:01.405
I haven't even seen it.
00:32:01.704 --> 00:32:05.561
Alicia: So, everyone, let's just take a
break for a second to talk about Jeremy's
00:32:05.561 --> 00:32:12.411
bafflement Absolute bafflement over
the fact that perfectly good shows like
00:32:12.798 --> 00:32:19.203
grand Crew get canceled after two seasons
or The Babysitter's Club on Netflix.
00:32:19.603 --> 00:32:20.683
I really love that show.
00:32:20.816 --> 00:32:26.096
While shows that we would never,
ever watch and see nothing but people
00:32:26.101 --> 00:32:28.746
making fun of seem to have six seasons,
00:32:29.006 --> 00:32:34.183
Ben: there are, there are so many
shows that still keep like network
00:32:34.183 --> 00:32:39.103
television going that are still some of
the most watched shows in the country
00:32:39.433 --> 00:32:45.923
by sheer virtue of there are still
tens of millions of people who through
00:32:45.953 --> 00:32:51.543
age or whatever other reason, Do not
and will not know how streaming works.
00:32:51.943 --> 00:32:56.233
They know how to turn on the TV and they
know how to flip through 13 channels
00:32:56.413 --> 00:32:58.633
and that's as far as they're getting.
00:32:59.023 --> 00:33:04.863
So if what you get is c s I
crypto division, then c s I crypto
00:33:04.863 --> 00:33:08.433
starring Atom Driver is gonna be
the most watched show in America.
00:33:08.533 --> 00:33:12.013
Alicia: Wait, why am I interested in
what C S I crypto division looks like?
00:33:12.018 --> 00:33:12.223
Wait,
00:33:12.273 --> 00:33:14.043
Ben: It's starring Adam Driver.
00:33:14.043 --> 00:33:15.813
How could you not be interested?
00:33:16.128 --> 00:33:16.758
Emily: I know, right?
00:33:16.758 --> 00:33:18.258
Like, I'm like, wait,
whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
00:33:18.258 --> 00:33:18.708
Hold up.
00:33:19.783 --> 00:33:20.353
Alicia: Pump the brakes.
00:33:20.358 --> 00:33:20.893
Pump the brakes.
00:33:21.283 --> 00:33:24.353
Emily: Yeah, no, like I think
it's a testament to just how large
00:33:24.353 --> 00:33:26.273
and divided our country really is
00:33:28.223 --> 00:33:28.643
that this
00:33:28.663 --> 00:33:33.038
Ben: don't forget how long that like Jag
the show about Navy lawyers doing whatever
00:33:33.038 --> 00:33:36.608
the fuck Navy lawyers do was like 13
00:33:36.608 --> 00:33:37.298
seasons.
00:33:37.668 --> 00:33:38.208
Alicia: the truth.
00:33:38.608 --> 00:33:39.058
They tell
00:33:39.303 --> 00:33:41.073
Jeremy: They don't even
say that in that show.
00:33:41.368 --> 00:33:41.668
Alicia: the truth.
00:33:42.058 --> 00:33:42.178
Emily: I
00:33:42.328 --> 00:33:48.028
Jeremy: Listen, in between 2017
and 2018, the Good Doctor and
00:33:48.028 --> 00:33:49.978
the resident both launched.
00:33:50.278 --> 00:33:52.838
The resident has finally thanked.
00:33:52.838 --> 00:33:53.498
God ended.
00:33:53.498 --> 00:33:54.638
Its six seasons.
00:33:54.818 --> 00:33:57.248
The Good Doctor is still going into seven.
00:33:58.043 --> 00:33:58.343
Ben: They
00:33:58.568 --> 00:34:00.278
Jeremy: of these shows are
medical dramas and both of
00:34:00.278 --> 00:34:02.498
these shows are objectively bad.
00:34:02.908 --> 00:34:04.888
Alicia: Have you watched any, any of them?
00:34:04.923 --> 00:34:05.703
Jeremy: Yes.
00:34:06.603 --> 00:34:09.813
I've watched the first couple
episodes of both of those, and
00:34:09.813 --> 00:34:11.553
that was more than enough for me.
00:34:11.553 --> 00:34:12.153
You watched The
00:34:12.158 --> 00:34:12.723
Resident?
00:34:13.067 --> 00:34:17.057
Alicia: I, I thought, was that the one
with, with the Logan from Gilmore girls.
00:34:17.877 --> 00:34:21.232
Jeremy: from Gilmore Girls Going,
no, the Good Doctor is the one
00:34:21.232 --> 00:34:22.672
with the doctor that has autism.
00:34:23.082 --> 00:34:25.242
Alicia: I thought he was just
a new character on the one
00:34:25.397 --> 00:34:25.697
Jeremy: No,
00:34:26.027 --> 00:34:30.857
Ben: just insane to me that that's a
premise that someone walked into him and
00:34:30.857 --> 00:34:33.967
was like, he's a doctor, but hold on.
00:34:34.357 --> 00:34:36.607
Fucking strap in hold onto your plots.
00:34:36.797 --> 00:34:38.477
He's autistic.
00:34:38.892 --> 00:34:38.982
Alicia: Whoa.
00:34:39.197 --> 00:34:44.897
Jeremy: and it's like, it's literally,
it's literally a baby step above.
00:34:45.047 --> 00:34:46.817
What if Rainman was a doctor?
00:34:47.087 --> 00:34:49.107
Like it's that close.
00:34:49.497 --> 00:34:49.887
Emily: Oh my
00:34:49.972 --> 00:34:52.522
Alicia: autistic doctors
upset about this depiction?
00:34:52.522 --> 00:34:53.242
They should be.
00:34:53.482 --> 00:34:56.122
Emily: There's doctors and then
there's also autistic people.
00:34:56.512 --> 00:34:58.762
Jeremy: So doctors have been
distracted for the last couple of
00:34:58.877 --> 00:35:01.487
Alicia: doctors who are
autistic people, I'm sure
00:35:01.732 --> 00:35:02.062
Emily: I know.
00:35:02.067 --> 00:35:03.232
I, I absolutely That
00:35:03.322 --> 00:35:03.502
Ben: Yeah.
00:35:03.507 --> 00:35:05.542
There's gotta be a center
of that Venn diagram.
00:35:05.872 --> 00:35:06.322
Alicia: All right.
00:35:06.322 --> 00:35:10.462
So we meet Barney, we meet Norma,
we meet Pugsley, and we also then
00:35:10.462 --> 00:35:15.202
eventually meet Courtney as they finally
get to this spooky looking theme park.
00:35:15.207 --> 00:35:19.582
I mean, Pauline Phoenix's theme park
looks like it's abandoned and falling
00:35:19.582 --> 00:35:24.092
apart, but later we discover that lots
of people go there and it's just all
00:35:24.092 --> 00:35:26.312
theme parks are creepy after hours.
00:35:26.312 --> 00:35:26.612
I,
00:35:26.872 --> 00:35:29.992
Jeremy: I think it's just this
one part of it that's closed now.
00:35:30.592 --> 00:35:31.042
Uh, like
00:35:31.107 --> 00:35:31.927
Emily: The, the horror
00:35:32.062 --> 00:35:33.502
Jeremy: the part where
the girl disappeared.
00:35:33.802 --> 00:35:34.552
Presumed at,
00:35:35.462 --> 00:35:38.762
Alicia: meet Courtney and Courtney's
a little red demon uh, looking to trap
00:35:38.762 --> 00:35:41.252
humans as offerings to be a new casing
00:35:41.602 --> 00:35:42.082
Jeremy: foisted
00:35:42.087 --> 00:35:43.372
by Hannah Montana's.
00:35:43.460 --> 00:35:45.040
Emily Osmond, I just have to say
00:35:45.340 --> 00:35:45.630
Emily: Okay.
00:35:45.740 --> 00:35:46.380
Jeremy: a literal demon.
00:35:46.990 --> 00:35:50.360
Emily: there were some threads
and now they're connected.
00:35:50.760 --> 00:35:51.300
Continue
00:35:51.695 --> 00:35:52.135
Alicia: all right.
00:35:52.135 --> 00:35:55.765
So we also meet Courtney, who's a little
red demon, who is looking to trap humans
00:35:56.095 --> 00:36:01.315
to become offerings uh, to be a new
lake meat casing for uh, the demon king
00:36:01.725 --> 00:36:02.835
Emily: Timal Lucas.
00:36:03.417 --> 00:36:08.547
Alicia: I keep wanting to say TEUs,
who is Odysseus and Penelope son, and
00:36:08.547 --> 00:36:12.117
tele Amicus just keeps, like, trying to
come out my mouth, but it's Teal Lucas.
00:36:12.370 --> 00:36:14.080
uh, It's clearly a trap.
00:36:14.230 --> 00:36:15.580
She has clearly lured them there.
00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:23.070
And she's about to put Tamal Lucas inside
of Barney when Pugsley gathers all of
00:36:23.070 --> 00:36:27.370
his little pug courage and jumps in to
save Barney and gets hit with the blast.
00:36:27.370 --> 00:36:29.290
And I'm sure that Ben, this, like
00:36:29.730 --> 00:36:34.120
Ben: Well, I really did not like the,
even a little bit of death fake out.
00:36:34.480 --> 00:36:39.557
But where I then thought this show was
going was, oh, the devil's trapped in this
00:36:39.557 --> 00:36:45.707
dog body and we got a grim adventures of
Billy and Mandy type situation going on.
00:36:46.037 --> 00:36:46.387
Emily: Right.
00:36:46.787 --> 00:36:48.517
Ben: Not, not, not the case.
00:36:48.577 --> 00:36:49.087
Alicia: well,
00:36:49.220 --> 00:36:50.560
Ben: I like that there's cleverness.
00:36:50.560 --> 00:36:54.710
'cause you know, wa I w I feel like
that it's a little too easy sometimes
00:36:54.710 --> 00:37:00.710
for the show to veer into, and then
Pugsley uses his powers to save the day.
00:37:01.110 --> 00:37:05.710
So I like when they are a little
more clever, like how figuring out
00:37:05.710 --> 00:37:12.400
the photo can get uh, tele petro,
you know, uh, Petros out of Pugsley.
00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:17.100
And episode three where they, I
don't know, weaponize anxiety.
00:37:18.385 --> 00:37:18.835
Alicia: Yeah.
00:37:18.835 --> 00:37:24.702
So, um, Tamal Lucas gets in Pugsley,
they spend the rest of the episode trying
00:37:24.702 --> 00:37:29.902
to get him out and he has says something
like, no photographs and they end up
00:37:29.907 --> 00:37:36.482
using a giant, like a ride photograph like
auto photograph to take a picture of him.
00:37:36.482 --> 00:37:40.052
But there's a tiny little piece of
Tamal Lucas still stuck in Barney
00:37:40.182 --> 00:37:40.882
Emily: in Pugsley.
00:37:41.179 --> 00:37:43.099
Alicia: yeah, not in Barney, in Pugsley.
00:37:43.442 --> 00:37:45.932
that's what we find out when
Barney says goodnight Pugsley.
00:37:45.932 --> 00:37:49.292
And then Pugsley goes, night night,
Barney in the sweetest, cutest
00:37:49.292 --> 00:37:51.242
little voice of Alex b Brightman.
00:37:51.552 --> 00:37:56.482
This is also the episode where
when Pugsley like is possessed
00:37:56.482 --> 00:37:58.702
and flies off to go find a throne.
00:37:59.222 --> 00:38:00.627
And Barney runs after him.
00:38:00.867 --> 00:38:05.307
Norma calls her mom and she's like,
I, she doesn't care about Pugsley.
00:38:05.337 --> 00:38:06.627
She's like, he's a dog.
00:38:07.017 --> 00:38:07.857
We could just leave.
00:38:07.857 --> 00:38:10.957
But she does care about the park
and she does care about what
00:38:10.957 --> 00:38:12.607
Pauline Phoenix is gonna think.
00:38:12.817 --> 00:38:15.767
So she goes off to try and save the day.
00:38:15.890 --> 00:38:21.140
Emily: Norma's writing is nuanced in
a way that , I was not expecting from
00:38:21.380 --> 00:38:23.270
a show for, you know, TV y seven.
00:38:23.670 --> 00:38:29.460
Also there is a point where Tamal
Lucas is fully possessing Pugsley.
00:38:29.490 --> 00:38:32.160
And he asks, essentially,
take me to your king.
00:38:32.560 --> 00:38:37.320
And they have to sort of, split some
hairs being like, we're not a monarchy.
00:38:37.620 --> 00:38:43.200
And he clarifies, take me to
your leader so I can eat him.
00:38:43.500 --> 00:38:48.010
And immediately Norma's like, oh yeah,
there's a White House over there.
00:38:50.140 --> 00:38:51.100
knock yourself
00:38:51.185 --> 00:38:52.955
Alicia: It's right, it's
right down that way.
00:38:53.470 --> 00:38:54.010
Emily: yeah.
00:38:54.070 --> 00:38:57.370
Which I think is like, it's, it's
kind of a throwaway line, but I
00:38:57.370 --> 00:38:58.660
think it's also very powerful.
00:38:58.660 --> 00:38:59.530
So, you know,
00:39:00.095 --> 00:39:00.365
Alicia: Yeah.
00:39:00.395 --> 00:39:03.462
Other, jokes that like
find their way into here.
00:39:03.702 --> 00:39:07.592
So Pugsley as Tim Lucas can fly and.
00:39:07.992 --> 00:39:08.802
To escape him.
00:39:08.802 --> 00:39:13.482
They jump in a log flume ride
and pugsley flies after them and
00:39:13.482 --> 00:39:15.132
jumps into the next log flume.
00:39:15.682 --> 00:39:19.812
Like instead of just flying to where
they are, he jumps in the next one so
00:39:19.812 --> 00:39:24.202
that they're very slowly, like, he's like
throwing magic at them while they're both
00:39:24.202 --> 00:39:26.452
in separate logs floating down the river.
00:39:26.932 --> 00:39:27.622
That made me laugh.
00:39:27.902 --> 00:39:30.452
Courtney ends up offering them a job.
00:39:30.852 --> 00:39:34.932
She says it's to protect her from other
demons and they need to be security, but
00:39:35.352 --> 00:39:39.192
really it's because she wants to keep
Pugsley close because she feels like she
00:39:39.192 --> 00:39:41.142
can figure out a way to free Tamal Lucas.
00:39:41.142 --> 00:39:43.872
And if she does that, then
he will help her get home.
00:39:44.332 --> 00:39:47.512
We find out that she's been
banished from her hell realm
00:39:47.992 --> 00:39:49.762
and that is her main motivation.
00:39:49.762 --> 00:39:52.012
So at this point, that's
the end of episode one.
00:39:52.012 --> 00:39:54.772
Are there any other observations
that you wanted to make before
00:39:54.772 --> 00:39:56.302
I jump into episode two?
00:39:56.692 --> 00:39:58.782
Emily: Lenderman makes a cameo and.
00:39:59.349 --> 00:40:02.529
Alicia: What's up with the paper
over his face that really disturbs
00:40:02.639 --> 00:40:05.699
Ben: that was gonna be
a more relevant monster.
00:40:06.422 --> 00:40:11.625
Emily: Yeah, the, I feel like the,
daddy picture over his face, it's like
00:40:11.625 --> 00:40:14.055
a kid's drawing of like me and Daddy.
00:40:14.055 --> 00:40:18.015
And I think that that's a, a
reference to deep slenderman lore.
00:40:18.415 --> 00:40:21.295
And I know we did Marble Horn
minutes about a year ago.
00:40:21.345 --> 00:40:25.035
I, you know, I collect this information
for the podcast and then I regurgitate
00:40:25.035 --> 00:40:26.325
for the podcast and now I can't
00:40:26.370 --> 00:40:29.910
Ben: I think it's more that it doesn't
do anything with the Slender Man.
00:40:29.910 --> 00:40:32.800
It's just there and then it's not there.
00:40:34.615 --> 00:40:34.795
Emily: Yeah.
00:40:34.795 --> 00:40:38.585
The Slenderman gets, gets got for
trying to take the photo, which
00:40:38.705 --> 00:40:42.635
alerts Norma to the photo weakness,
whereas the, the photograph takes
00:40:42.890 --> 00:40:43.340
Ben: right, right.
00:40:43.665 --> 00:40:47.575
Emily: And I do wanna
know whose phone that is.
00:40:47.675 --> 00:40:49.550
Alicia: wanna Who calling him?
00:40:49.690 --> 00:40:54.240
Ben: Presumably his phone may, well,
I, I mean maybe it's like a, it's
00:40:54.240 --> 00:40:56.490
a health phone, demon realm phone.
00:40:57.045 --> 00:40:58.665
Emily: either that or it's
the phone that belonged
00:40:58.665 --> 00:40:59.115
to one of the
00:40:59.220 --> 00:40:59.460
Ben: they,
00:40:59.460 --> 00:40:59.910
they have
00:40:59.925 --> 00:41:00.885
Emily: park employees.
00:41:01.215 --> 00:41:01.725
Yeah.
00:41:02.125 --> 00:41:03.865
Ben: he won it in a game show.
00:41:04.180 --> 00:41:06.040
Emily: Perhaps, perhaps.
00:41:06.517 --> 00:41:09.127
I mean, honestly, I wouldn't be
surprised if Slenderman was the
00:41:09.127 --> 00:41:13.927
first demon to go, because that
is the closest direct reference
00:41:13.932 --> 00:41:17.717
to a copyrighted design that I see
00:41:17.957 --> 00:41:19.907
Ben: How can you copyright Slender Man?
00:41:20.057 --> 00:41:25.127
Slender Man is the spontaneous
product of the something awful forums.
00:41:25.247 --> 00:41:30.287
Emily: know Slenderman is, is, is belongs
to us all Slenderman belongs to the world.
00:41:30.687 --> 00:41:32.697
But I'm sure somebody has,
00:41:32.757 --> 00:41:34.317
Ben: copywriting vampires.
00:41:34.317 --> 00:41:36.867
You can't fucking copyright vampires.
00:41:36.987 --> 00:41:38.697
Emily: I have two words for you.
00:41:39.297 --> 00:41:40.437
Vanta Black.
00:41:40.837 --> 00:41:44.567
If you can copyright a color,
you can copyright a Slenderman.
00:41:45.467 --> 00:41:48.747
Alicia: I was just imagining the woman
named Vanta Black who had written
00:41:48.747 --> 00:41:51.597
vampire novels and was copywriting.
00:41:51.767 --> 00:41:52.577
Emily: Why doesn't that
00:41:52.577 --> 00:41:53.117
exist?
00:41:53.207 --> 00:41:55.727
Oh, because Vanta Black has been
00:41:55.917 --> 00:41:59.357
Ben: Vanta Black is the name
of at least 30 drag queens.
00:42:00.227 --> 00:42:01.217
Alicia: Artistic drag
00:42:01.327 --> 00:42:03.187
Emily: I hope they can.
00:42:03.187 --> 00:42:03.567
Yeah.
00:42:03.647 --> 00:42:04.277
Also.
00:42:04.487 --> 00:42:07.637
Jeremy: you could, you could use
the name Vanta Black for a character
00:42:07.642 --> 00:42:12.174
because that does not have any uh,
copyright crossover with naming a color.
00:42:12.574 --> 00:42:12.844
Emily: Yeah.
00:42:12.844 --> 00:42:15.954
And as long as it doesn't yeah,
you could just change the spelling.
00:42:16.554 --> 00:42:22.284
I wish that someone would make a
theme park based on Trixie and Katia
00:42:22.370 --> 00:42:24.200
formally of RuPaul's Drag Race.
00:42:24.450 --> 00:42:28.520
I know that RuPaul, the
individual is problematic.
00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:30.210
I know that it was no, no.
00:42:30.240 --> 00:42:33.870
Nowhere near as wholesome as
a TV y seven show would be.
00:42:33.870 --> 00:42:39.074
But if I was Norma it would be Kaia
instead of Pauline Phoenix that I was,
00:42:39.189 --> 00:42:43.749
Alicia: you, I was like, I think you
could have a divine theme park, right?
00:42:44.139 --> 00:42:45.009
Emily: probably.
00:42:45.009 --> 00:42:45.789
But again,
00:42:46.264 --> 00:42:50.079
Alicia: Like there's enough, like divine
wasn't enough stuff to have like, or
00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:52.479
maybe just a John Waters theme park.
00:42:52.869 --> 00:42:56.289
Emily: that's a different,
that's a different thing I think.
00:42:56.289 --> 00:42:56.589
Yeah.
00:42:56.679 --> 00:42:58.594
Jeremy's, yeah.
00:42:58.724 --> 00:43:01.654
Jeremy: Could definitely not be
a Y seven John Waters theme park.
00:43:01.744 --> 00:43:02.014
Emily: yeah.
00:43:02.014 --> 00:43:03.064
Absolutely not.
00:43:03.334 --> 00:43:04.354
Absolutely not.
00:43:04.354 --> 00:43:05.464
That's, I don't know.
00:43:05.479 --> 00:43:06.169
Ben: Oh man.
00:43:06.169 --> 00:43:08.449
Now just imagine that like,
oh, we're going to the, like,
00:43:08.449 --> 00:43:09.769
we're going to the waters park.
00:43:09.979 --> 00:43:11.059
You mean the water park?
00:43:11.449 --> 00:43:12.139
I said what?
00:43:12.139 --> 00:43:12.889
I said,
00:43:13.564 --> 00:43:13.864
Emily: That's
00:43:14.089 --> 00:43:16.249
Jeremy: Mom, I'm going on
the Pink Flamingo ride.
00:43:16.369 --> 00:43:16.879
No
00:43:19.714 --> 00:43:20.074
Emily: Praise.
00:43:20.759 --> 00:43:21.119
Yeah.
00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:21.419
I,
00:43:21.434 --> 00:43:23.324
Ben: the pink Flamingo Lazy River.
00:43:23.849 --> 00:43:25.229
Emily: Actually I'm
not gonna go down that,
00:43:25.404 --> 00:43:27.764
Jeremy: I was really worried about
where that Lazy River was going.
00:43:27.879 --> 00:43:28.169
Emily: Yeah.
00:43:28.174 --> 00:43:28.349
Yeah.
00:43:29.469 --> 00:43:31.594
I was listening to a podcast and
they were talking about a waterpark
00:43:31.599 --> 00:43:36.814
for adults and how they want it to
be, not like an adult waterpark.
00:43:37.064 --> 00:43:37.394
Alicia: Right.
00:43:37.424 --> 00:43:39.464
Well, I was trying to say
that to Jeremy one day.
00:43:39.464 --> 00:43:42.464
I was like, I wish that there
was a playground for adults,
00:43:42.464 --> 00:43:43.814
but there's no way to name it.
00:43:45.034 --> 00:43:47.014
Emily: 'cause you can't
say it's for adults.
00:43:47.044 --> 00:43:48.214
'cause then people are like, oh,
00:43:48.219 --> 00:43:49.204
it's after
00:43:49.394 --> 00:43:50.774
Alicia: it's an adult playground.
00:43:50.774 --> 00:43:56.774
It's like, no, it's a playground with
equipment that is grown person size
00:43:56.834 --> 00:43:59.144
so that I can get on swings and slides
00:43:59.299 --> 00:44:00.439
Jeremy: I just want a fucking playground.
00:44:00.444 --> 00:44:01.669
Not a fucking playground.
00:44:02.179 --> 00:44:05.839
Ben: I was gonna say, unfortunately, I, I
feel like the closest we have is CrossFit.
00:44:08.147 --> 00:44:09.687
Alicia: They got the bars.
00:44:09.692 --> 00:44:09.982
Ben: Yeah.
00:44:09.987 --> 00:44:10.532
Yeah.
00:44:10.822 --> 00:44:12.557
Emily: that is like borderline.
00:44:12.557 --> 00:44:14.087
I feel like that's Port borderline.
00:44:14.087 --> 00:44:14.657
B D S M.
00:44:14.657 --> 00:44:18.891
'cause I see those, CrossFit
people like dragging chains around.
00:44:19.341 --> 00:44:20.841
And I'm like, you know,
00:44:20.851 --> 00:44:23.281
Alicia: Jeremy, did you drag
chains when you were doing
00:44:23.671 --> 00:44:26.291
Jeremy: I don't think I dragged chains.
00:44:26.291 --> 00:44:26.531
I
00:44:26.681 --> 00:44:28.436
Ben: did you whip the warrior ropes?
00:44:28.486 --> 00:44:33.101
Jeremy: did whip the ropes and uh,
I flipped a tire around quite a bit.
00:44:33.511 --> 00:44:36.701
Alicia: Just like that Bob's burgers
episode where Bob gets to like do,
00:44:37.831 --> 00:44:40.767
and he's like, this is so much more
tiring than I thought it would be.
00:44:41.157 --> 00:44:41.447
Emily: yeah,
00:44:41.807 --> 00:44:42.857
Jeremy: That one sneaks up on you.
00:44:42.857 --> 00:44:44.507
At first you're like, oh, this is easy.
00:44:44.867 --> 00:44:47.987
And then after doing it for, you
know, 30 seconds, you're like, holy
00:44:47.987 --> 00:44:49.727
shit, what happened to my arms?
00:44:49.817 --> 00:44:50.987
Why don't they work anymore?
00:44:51.577 --> 00:44:51.867
Emily: Yeah.
00:44:51.931 --> 00:44:57.391
But anyway, so, oh, and I feel the
way that Barney feels about Pugsley,
00:44:57.396 --> 00:44:59.731
I feel very, very deeply in my heart.
00:45:00.091 --> 00:45:03.931
I felt that about every cat I've
ever owned, but my, my, all my
00:45:03.931 --> 00:45:05.821
cats already had demons in them.
00:45:06.151 --> 00:45:12.491
So we can have both all, you can
have a, a, a, a family member
00:45:12.521 --> 00:45:17.031
who is an animal who talks to you
who is also possessed by a demon.
00:45:17.121 --> 00:45:18.981
So, cats were always like that.
00:45:19.011 --> 00:45:21.231
Anyway, episode, episode two.
00:45:21.631 --> 00:45:22.801
Alicia: Episode two is called the
00:45:22.801 --> 00:45:23.221
Tunnel.
00:45:23.621 --> 00:45:25.451
So episode two is called the Tunnel.
00:45:25.571 --> 00:45:30.791
We open on small Norma's core
memory of a scary encounter with
00:45:30.796 --> 00:45:32.771
a mascot named Buster Scruffs.
00:45:33.521 --> 00:45:38.621
Buster in her memories like leans
over as like, come on, little girl.
00:45:38.921 --> 00:45:41.151
He's just got the, he's
got the funniest voice.
00:45:41.151 --> 00:45:42.591
He's like, come on, come on little girl.
00:45:42.831 --> 00:45:43.161
Come on.
00:45:43.711 --> 00:45:47.251
So she's supposed to be jumping up in his
lap to take a picture, and that episode
00:45:47.256 --> 00:45:49.321
hit on some things that I am afraid of.
00:45:49.321 --> 00:45:54.971
I'm not like terrified of mascots,
but I just do not prefer them.
00:45:55.361 --> 00:46:00.661
Emily: Mascots are, I can see why
a park would retire the mascot, the
00:46:00.661 --> 00:46:05.094
person, the mascot costume, especially
in our age of those five nights of
00:46:05.134 --> 00:46:05.734
Alicia: Yeah,
00:46:06.112 --> 00:46:09.322
i, I guess Norma's probably
six or seven there.
00:46:09.564 --> 00:46:09.864
Ben: well,
00:46:09.864 --> 00:46:12.964
who's ever had any kind of
mass outcome where they didn't
00:46:12.964 --> 00:46:14.434
turn into some sort of murder?
00:46:14.434 --> 00:46:16.474
Zombie robot, army
00:46:16.589 --> 00:46:18.839
Alicia: And of course these turn into
00:46:18.904 --> 00:46:24.574
Ben: Westworld, itchy and
scratchy World, world Westworld.
00:46:24.574 --> 00:46:25.474
Again,
00:46:26.539 --> 00:46:28.519
Emily: Did the dinosaurs
and Jurassic Park count,
00:46:29.424 --> 00:46:29.644
Ben: if,
00:46:29.649 --> 00:46:33.244
if it really, the entire
bibliography of Michael Creton.
00:46:36.529 --> 00:46:40.909
Michael Creon was fascinated with
exploring the theme of the science gone
00:46:40.909 --> 00:46:44.929
too far, but for some reason could only
explore that theme in the very specific
00:46:44.929 --> 00:46:47.689
plot line of we opened an amusement park.
00:46:48.106 --> 00:46:48.976
Jeremy: There's also, wait.
00:46:49.006 --> 00:46:50.806
These monkeys are way too smart.
00:46:51.021 --> 00:46:53.151
Alicia: Yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's what I was gonna say.
00:46:53.866 --> 00:46:54.916
Jeremy: Wait, these monkeys
00:46:54.916 --> 00:46:55.066
are
00:46:55.071 --> 00:46:57.561
Alicia: These dinosaurs and
these monkeys are too smart.
00:46:57.881 --> 00:46:58.151
Emily: Yeah.
00:46:58.551 --> 00:46:59.721
The Andromeda strain.
00:46:59.721 --> 00:47:01.791
I mean, the, the place
where they were studying
00:47:01.791 --> 00:47:01.941
the
00:47:02.241 --> 00:47:06.561
Ben: that not about opening up a
theme park dedicated to viruses?
00:47:07.521 --> 00:47:12.451
Emily: I mean, technically the,
the, the multi-leveled like facility
00:47:12.451 --> 00:47:16.111
that they studied the Andromeda
strain in was very gimmicky.
00:47:16.111 --> 00:47:20.891
And other than the, weird like
sanitary procedure that burns off,
00:47:20.891 --> 00:47:25.091
well, the top layer of your skin, so
as not to contaminate the, facility.
00:47:25.491 --> 00:47:25.971
Other than
00:47:26.251 --> 00:47:27.371
Alicia: that, sounds like a great ride,
00:47:28.101 --> 00:47:30.531
Emily: I mean, I, that's what
happens when I go outside.
00:47:31.371 --> 00:47:32.634
Um, It's okay.
00:47:33.002 --> 00:47:36.482
, Alicia: uh, we open on small Norma's
core memory of a scary encounter
00:47:36.487 --> 00:47:38.072
with Mascot Buster Scruffs.
00:47:38.472 --> 00:47:42.312
She's anxious around large crowds of
people and she's freaking out about
00:47:42.312 --> 00:47:46.242
getting up there to take a picture when
his head falls off and his eyeball pops
00:47:46.242 --> 00:47:50.472
out and the whole crowd is horrified
and thinks that surely this little
00:47:50.472 --> 00:47:52.332
girl is going to be horrified as well.
00:47:52.332 --> 00:47:55.392
And instead, Norma just laughs
and poses with the head.
00:47:55.692 --> 00:48:00.462
And that's the picture that she has
of her at Pauline Phoenix's Park.
00:48:00.912 --> 00:48:06.642
So present day the gang is going through a
box of missing employees possessions, and
00:48:06.642 --> 00:48:09.012
they come across Jennifer's little badge.
00:48:09.382 --> 00:48:13.012
We meet the rest of the staff who
we find out in a later episode.
00:48:13.012 --> 00:48:17.522
Norma quickly renames because she can't
be bothered to remember anyone's name.
00:48:17.942 --> 00:48:24.152
Barney falls in immediately an immediate
love with Logan Wynn, a k a logs and
00:48:24.152 --> 00:48:29.992
ignores pugsley thereby covering up Pugs
Lee's new identity as a talking dog.
00:48:30.262 --> 00:48:32.212
He tells Pugsley to keep it chill.
00:48:32.212 --> 00:48:39.352
He doesn't want everybody to know he hides
pugsley away, and there are parallels
00:48:39.752 --> 00:48:41.792
between his situation and Pugsley.
00:48:42.409 --> 00:48:43.189
Emily: Did we mention
00:48:43.289 --> 00:48:46.304
Ben: About the name I'm
with, I'm with Badia.
00:48:46.454 --> 00:48:50.214
If someone gives you the
nickname death slide, just roll
00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:53.269
Alicia: Yeah, so Baria is
uh, one of the characters.
00:48:53.269 --> 00:48:55.249
She's one of the other employees.
00:48:55.309 --> 00:49:00.039
This theme park has a very diverse
staff and also the attendees at the
00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:02.299
theme park very diverse as well.
00:49:02.299 --> 00:49:07.856
We see different heights, different
body sizes, different couple pairings.
00:49:08.076 --> 00:49:10.536
And so the park is wonderfully inclusive.
00:49:10.836 --> 00:49:13.426
it's what I guess Disney World aims to be.
00:49:13.816 --> 00:49:17.479
Uh, We learned that the old mascots
were discontinued when Norma takes
00:49:17.479 --> 00:49:21.459
over the staff orientation because
she already knows everything that
00:49:21.459 --> 00:49:22.779
there is to know about the park.
00:49:23.179 --> 00:49:26.689
And I gotta say, like, I was totally
feeling Norma here because one of
00:49:26.689 --> 00:49:31.639
the things that I did in college was
because I grew up in Chapel Hill and
00:49:31.639 --> 00:49:35.449
I love to read things about places.
00:49:35.959 --> 00:49:41.119
When we had orientation, I took all of
my new friends that I met at orientation
00:49:41.149 --> 00:49:44.601
on a Alicia guided tour of the campus.
00:49:44.840 --> 00:49:49.238
And that is how I made all of
my new friends, and I am still
00:49:49.238 --> 00:49:51.608
friends with them to this day.
00:49:51.998 --> 00:49:52.978
Emily: That's beautiful.
00:49:53.788 --> 00:49:54.148
Alicia: Thank you.
00:49:54.483 --> 00:49:57.123
Ben: Friends who tour
together, stay together.
00:49:57.478 --> 00:49:58.168
Alicia: Yeah, we
00:49:58.683 --> 00:49:59.133
Ben: That's in
00:49:59.248 --> 00:49:59.668
Alicia: I guess.
00:49:59.908 --> 00:50:00.478
Yeah.
00:50:00.958 --> 00:50:06.638
And Jeremy also, like recently when we
were in Chicago, I was like, I wanna take
00:50:06.643 --> 00:50:09.218
a tour of the architecture of Chicago.
00:50:09.223 --> 00:50:10.298
And he was like, why?
00:50:10.328 --> 00:50:14.261
You're going to read everything that
there is to know about everything you're
00:50:14.261 --> 00:50:17.031
about to see before you go on the tour.
00:50:17.431 --> 00:50:19.741
And I do, I, I'm not ashamed of it.
00:50:19.831 --> 00:50:23.501
I like to study before I
tour something and go to
00:50:23.711 --> 00:50:25.641
Jeremy: Most people study
before they take a test.
00:50:25.646 --> 00:50:27.081
You study before you take a tour.
00:50:27.341 --> 00:50:28.061
Alicia: Exactly.
00:50:28.186 --> 00:50:31.350
Emily: Yeah, well this is, you're
the person that we wanna travel with.
00:50:31.640 --> 00:50:33.530
Alicia: I'm a great travel companion
00:50:34.075 --> 00:50:34.735
Emily: I believe it.
00:50:35.030 --> 00:50:35.540
Alicia: reason.
00:50:35.930 --> 00:50:36.530
Emily: I believe it.
00:50:36.530 --> 00:50:39.500
I mean, I just kind of wander
and be like, oh, that's neat.
00:50:39.505 --> 00:50:40.190
And take a photo.
00:50:40.195 --> 00:50:46.650
Like, but it's really cool to have the
interest and the fixation is I should
00:50:46.650 --> 00:50:49.000
say the enthusiasm is contagious.
00:50:49.480 --> 00:50:55.940
And that actually brings me to how nuanced
Norma's interaction with people is because
00:50:56.240 --> 00:51:02.680
we see that she has anxiety, but she
can take this leadership role because
00:51:03.220 --> 00:51:08.386
it is within her, hyper fixation and.
00:51:08.576 --> 00:51:11.716
Ben: her hyper fixation includes,
I guess, heads falling off.
00:51:12.116 --> 00:51:15.206
So if people could just have the decency
to like have their heads fall off,
00:51:15.206 --> 00:51:16.646
normal would be a lot more comfortable.
00:51:16.646 --> 00:51:17.606
Please, and thank you.
00:51:17.921 --> 00:51:21.761
Emily: Well, and her, her reaction
to the head falling off, I feel
00:51:21.761 --> 00:51:24.941
is a lot more of a nuanced trauma
reaction when you're a little kid.
00:51:25.211 --> 00:51:25.601
You know?
00:51:25.631 --> 00:51:30.041
Cause she had like you know, all of the
worst things were going on here, but she
00:51:30.041 --> 00:51:36.471
was just like, it was so far beyond for a
little kid that she was just like, sure.
00:51:36.691 --> 00:51:37.501
Alicia: is ridiculous.
00:51:37.506 --> 00:51:37.741
Yeah.
00:51:37.741 --> 00:51:39.271
Like this has to be ridiculous.
00:51:39.561 --> 00:51:39.801
Emily: yeah.
00:51:39.806 --> 00:51:44.055
And that actually, leads into some of
her struggles in the following episode.
00:51:44.055 --> 00:51:47.150
But at first with, as I was just
sort of getting into the show,
00:51:47.150 --> 00:51:49.730
I was really confused as to what
they were trying to say because
00:51:49.730 --> 00:51:56.037
it was not as reductive as other
representations of people with anxiety.
00:51:56.037 --> 00:52:00.417
Like, you have characters that are
kind of like C three po kind of
00:52:00.417 --> 00:52:04.582
characters that are, that are very
anxious and they're presented as
00:52:04.582 --> 00:52:07.282
either cowardly or uptight or whatever.
00:52:07.582 --> 00:52:12.145
But that's not, that's not
what she is and that's not what
00:52:12.145 --> 00:52:14.725
being neurodivergent is either.
00:52:14.877 --> 00:52:17.997
There's a lot more nuance to it.
00:52:18.527 --> 00:52:19.997
And it's not predictable.
00:52:20.307 --> 00:52:26.277
And it's not as straightforward as
like someone has anxiety, so they can't
00:52:26.677 --> 00:52:28.597
go out in the world and do things.
00:52:28.777 --> 00:52:32.487
You know, I felt that was a really
interesting choice with Norma.
00:52:32.997 --> 00:52:36.807
And it also wasn't one of those like,
you know, what did we learn today?
00:52:36.807 --> 00:52:41.907
Kind of talking down situations that
you see in a lot of oft y seven shows.
00:52:42.397 --> 00:52:48.717
Her, uh, traumas and her, her difficulties
build her character's strengths.
00:52:48.837 --> 00:52:52.820
And it's not that she has
to, accept that or, you know,
00:52:52.820 --> 00:52:54.650
that's, that's a burden for her.
00:52:54.860 --> 00:52:57.800
It's just a different way that
she interacts with people.
00:52:58.230 --> 00:52:58.830
Alicia: absolutely.
00:52:59.230 --> 00:53:02.410
So they get on this monorail,
Norma's leading the tour.
00:53:02.440 --> 00:53:05.800
Like you said, Norma has assumed this
leadership role, even though she is
00:53:06.220 --> 00:53:08.020
anxious about meeting new people, she is
00:53:08.070 --> 00:53:08.370
Ben: Yeah.
00:53:08.650 --> 00:53:09.850
Alicia: about Pauline Phoenix.
00:53:09.970 --> 00:53:11.140
Ben: Day off or death Slide.
00:53:11.690 --> 00:53:11.750
Alicia: yeah.
00:53:12.200 --> 00:53:15.220
And she is hanging out with all of the.
00:53:15.620 --> 00:53:17.570
Ancillary cha characters at this point.
00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:20.580
And Barney is on the
monorail with Pugsley.
00:53:20.820 --> 00:53:25.710
Barney is obsessed with logs and doesn't
pay attention to Pugsley saying those
00:53:25.710 --> 00:53:27.630
doors are really scary on the monorail.
00:53:27.635 --> 00:53:31.320
They're worse than like the hand dryer at
the pizza place, or something like that.
00:53:31.770 --> 00:53:36.530
And so when it comes time to exit the
monorail Barney's not paying attention.
00:53:36.650 --> 00:53:40.340
Pugsley finally gets up the
courage to step off, and the doors
00:53:40.345 --> 00:53:42.020
close and Pugsley is trapped.
00:53:42.450 --> 00:53:47.250
So Pugsley ends up in the under
park with a bunch of discarded
00:53:47.250 --> 00:53:50.970
mascots and um, they come to life.
00:53:51.660 --> 00:53:54.540
Yeah, they, they come to life
and they're kind of like zombie
00:53:54.540 --> 00:53:55.710
ish and they're going meet.
00:53:57.510 --> 00:54:00.870
And so Pugsley decides to help
them escape the under park because
00:54:00.870 --> 00:54:02.430
they've been cast aside like him.
00:54:02.430 --> 00:54:04.540
So they get out.
00:54:04.750 --> 00:54:09.380
Barney realizes that he's lost
Pugsley and goes looking for Pugsley
00:54:09.380 --> 00:54:15.537
and finds Pugsley rounding up these
zombie mascots and tells Pugsley
00:54:15.537 --> 00:54:17.007
that he needs to get back here now.
00:54:17.037 --> 00:54:18.567
'cause he doesn't know what he is doing.
00:54:19.017 --> 00:54:20.757
And Pugsley is like, no, I'm helping them.
00:54:20.757 --> 00:54:22.437
I'm gonna help them get what they want.
00:54:23.007 --> 00:54:25.507
And Barney says, bad Pugsley.
00:54:25.907 --> 00:54:28.667
Pugsley says me bad, bad Barney.
00:54:28.697 --> 00:54:29.297
And they have
00:54:29.527 --> 00:54:29.887
Ben: that.
00:54:30.307 --> 00:54:30.847
I love the
00:54:30.847 --> 00:54:31.147
Bad
00:54:31.577 --> 00:54:32.297
Alicia: bad Barney.
00:54:33.392 --> 00:54:33.722
Yeah.
00:54:33.722 --> 00:54:38.282
Like they have this whole back and
forth, but really what they discover
00:54:38.282 --> 00:54:43.762
is that maybe Pugsley should have
listened because the mascots wreak havoc.
00:54:44.117 --> 00:54:48.177
Ben: this show really exploring
the double-edged sword of
00:54:48.177 --> 00:54:49.497
wishing that your pet could
00:54:49.732 --> 00:54:50.122
Alicia: yeah,
00:54:50.122 --> 00:54:50.812
exactly.
00:54:51.172 --> 00:54:54.982
The ma the mascots wreak havoc because
they're going around saying meat all over
00:54:54.982 --> 00:54:57.332
the place and people are freaking out.
00:54:58.022 --> 00:55:02.262
And Barney realizes that he should have
listened to Pugsley because basically
00:55:02.262 --> 00:55:03.462
he's turned into Grammy Graham.
00:55:03.492 --> 00:55:06.912
Like he, he says, why can't
you just be my pugsley?
00:55:06.942 --> 00:55:10.542
Why can't you be the pugsley that I
love that I felt, you know, that I've
00:55:10.677 --> 00:55:11.207
Ben: can't you be
00:55:11.232 --> 00:55:12.882
Alicia: And then he's like, oh, snap.
00:55:13.392 --> 00:55:15.222
I've become Granny Graham.
00:55:16.757 --> 00:55:20.867
Ben: Which again, talking
dogs as a metaphor for trans
00:55:20.867 --> 00:55:23.767
identity shouldn't work but
00:55:24.612 --> 00:55:26.222
Alicia: But it does, it does.
00:55:26.222 --> 00:55:33.092
Well, I think, I think it also works
on a lot of levels of like, you know,
00:55:33.097 --> 00:55:38.582
as a parent I saw this reflected
as I often feel like I am becoming
00:55:38.982 --> 00:55:43.752
my mother or my grandmother and
hearing myself say things to my kids
00:55:43.752 --> 00:55:46.872
that I swore I would never say, you
00:55:46.872 --> 00:55:50.910
know, I love that Pugsley also
says, I didn't want to create panic
00:55:50.910 --> 00:55:54.720
across the park, because that's
just such a sweet thing to say.
00:55:55.100 --> 00:55:59.900
Turns out that they were saying meet
and greet, like the mascots didn't
00:55:59.900 --> 00:56:04.640
want to eat people, they just wanted
to give hugs and sign autographs.
00:56:04.640 --> 00:56:11.420
So Norma saves the day by having
a 1980s era mascot parade and
00:56:11.420 --> 00:56:13.700
all of these ugly mascots go
00:56:14.010 --> 00:56:17.425
Jeremy: just has the music stirred on
her phone because of course she does.
00:56:17.693 --> 00:56:20.977
Alicia: And um, the, the park
attendees are like, oh, okay.
00:56:20.977 --> 00:56:22.147
Well I guess that's fine.
00:56:22.313 --> 00:56:25.823
Barney says he wants Pugley to be
able to live his life without apology.
00:56:26.273 --> 00:56:31.323
And I think one of the things that I
find interesting about Barney's dynamic
00:56:31.323 --> 00:56:36.723
with his mom is that he's not not living
at home because he got kicked out.
00:56:37.000 --> 00:56:39.790
Ben: They're not hostile,
they're just not supportive.
00:56:39.880 --> 00:56:40.330
Emily: yeah,
00:56:40.615 --> 00:56:47.553
Alicia: yeah, it, it's not like civil
rights, Disney movie racism or bigotry
00:56:47.588 --> 00:56:48.278
Ben: are the moderate.
00:56:48.338 --> 00:56:49.568
They are the moderates that.
00:56:50.123 --> 00:56:52.613
They're the moderates that
Martin Luther King warned us
00:56:52.773 --> 00:56:53.643
Alicia: Exactly.
00:56:53.673 --> 00:56:56.523
You know, they think that they're
being, she thinks she's being
00:56:56.523 --> 00:57:00.663
supportive and she's saying, I love
you, and she's calling him Barney
00:57:00.663 --> 00:57:05.073
and she's using the right pronouns,
but she's not backing him up.
00:57:05.473 --> 00:57:08.023
And so Barney decides that
that's not a space that he
00:57:08.023 --> 00:57:09.583
can be comfortable in anymore.
00:57:09.973 --> 00:57:13.963
I think the situation with Pugsley
maybe helps him understand some of
00:57:13.963 --> 00:57:21.353
the struggle that his family might
be having, but also even bigger.
00:57:21.353 --> 00:57:25.973
I think it puts on display for
anybody watching this show or any kids
00:57:25.978 --> 00:57:30.113
watching, any adults watching this
show, that it's not enough to just
00:57:30.113 --> 00:57:33.083
tolerate somebody else's identity.
00:57:33.323 --> 00:57:35.573
Like that needs to come with acceptance.
00:57:35.573 --> 00:57:36.863
And that means work.
00:57:37.043 --> 00:57:39.293
That doesn't just mean that you can just,
00:57:39.883 --> 00:57:43.483
Ben: this is where, you know, we talked
about some of the stuff with the world
00:57:43.483 --> 00:57:49.763
building I think comes back because, oh,
your dog now talks and if people knew your
00:57:49.763 --> 00:57:52.503
dog talks, they'd be like, what the fuck?
00:57:52.903 --> 00:57:55.243
And like, so you have to keep it a secret.
00:57:55.248 --> 00:58:01.903
Like that's a very standard
status quo setup for a kid show.
00:58:02.503 --> 00:58:07.783
So again, and all the themes and hard
when it, that subverted and the metaphor
00:58:07.783 --> 00:58:11.533
works, but then like we said, it does
kinda go back to this world building
00:58:11.983 --> 00:58:17.563
issue of being like, oh, so I guess
everyone is aware of talking dog.
00:58:17.963 --> 00:58:19.673
Is anyone gonna have a reaction to that?
00:58:20.263 --> 00:58:23.143
Alicia: Again, if you see
something paranormal, just
00:58:23.143 --> 00:58:24.403
keep it to yourself, darling.
00:58:24.453 --> 00:58:30.243
Ben: I know, but I, I, I don't think that
one line is quite enough for just how.
00:58:30.253 --> 00:58:33.583
Alicia: Bo says it later too,
when they were like, whoa,
00:58:33.588 --> 00:58:34.783
were those zombie mascots?
00:58:34.783 --> 00:58:36.793
And bodi is like, keep
it to yourself darling.
00:58:37.218 --> 00:58:38.598
Emily: Yes, she does.
00:58:38.598 --> 00:58:38.838
Yeah.
00:58:38.843 --> 00:58:44.858
She basically like, repeats that, I
kind of like that about a lot of new
00:58:44.858 --> 00:58:48.858
shows that have that going on where
there's like magic stuff going on
00:58:48.858 --> 00:58:53.518
where people are just like, all right,
we could spend a lot of time thinking
00:58:53.518 --> 00:58:58.648
about like, now what does it mean to
society that there's a talking dog now?
00:58:59.048 --> 00:59:03.598
When we can just have a story with these
characters and I can totally understand
00:59:03.598 --> 00:59:04.948
being like, wait, hold on a minute.
00:59:05.348 --> 00:59:07.208
We have a, there's a talkie dog.
00:59:07.557 --> 00:59:09.237
Alicia: Also, he now walks upright
00:59:09.462 --> 00:59:09.732
Emily: Yeah.
00:59:09.732 --> 00:59:09.972
He like
00:59:10.257 --> 00:59:10.677
Ben: Yes.
00:59:10.977 --> 00:59:12.657
I love pugsley walking
00:59:12.817 --> 00:59:13.507
Alicia: love pugs.
00:59:13.507 --> 00:59:14.227
Lee's like
00:59:14.757 --> 00:59:16.077
Ben: is walk is wonderful.
00:59:16.147 --> 00:59:17.227
Alicia: his cute little.
00:59:17.307 --> 00:59:18.957
Ben: little Fs I love Pugsley.
00:59:19.567 --> 00:59:23.237
Alicia: Everything about puzzling,
and then if you like, later on we're
00:59:23.237 --> 00:59:26.357
gonna see inside Barney's house, but
there is the picture on the wall of
00:59:26.387 --> 00:59:28.067
Pugsley and a top hat and a bow tie,
00:59:28.127 --> 00:59:30.172
and it's just darling.
00:59:30.742 --> 00:59:32.362
Jeremy, what'd you think
about this episode?
00:59:32.752 --> 00:59:37.072
Jeremy: It was it was a funny one to me
because as we were watching it, there
00:59:37.077 --> 00:59:40.012
was a point where I, I think I said
this to you as we were watching it,
00:59:40.012 --> 00:59:44.162
that I was like, I was thinking early
on in this episode, oh, is the talking
00:59:44.162 --> 00:59:46.562
dog thing a metaphor for transition?
00:59:47.102 --> 00:59:49.052
And then I was like, I
can't say that out loud.
00:59:49.142 --> 00:59:50.162
That sounds terrible.
00:59:50.582 --> 00:59:52.622
And then like, the show said
it out loud and I was like,
00:59:52.622 --> 00:59:54.052
Oh, Oh, okay.
00:59:54.930 --> 00:59:55.770
Oh, you do mean that.
00:59:55.800 --> 00:59:56.220
Okay.
00:59:56.664 --> 00:59:57.684
I thought it was really interesting.
00:59:57.689 --> 01:00:01.714
I, I liked the sort of like,
exploration of the, you know,
01:00:01.794 --> 01:00:03.204
spooky mascots and everything.
01:00:03.204 --> 01:00:07.974
I, I think it sort of also
establishes the stuff that'll, that
01:00:07.979 --> 01:00:09.474
I think is important about Norma.
01:00:09.874 --> 01:00:14.680
As a character with her anxieties,
because she, she does have social anxiety.
01:00:14.680 --> 01:00:18.960
She is anxious about what a lot of
people would consider normal daily stuff.
01:00:19.380 --> 01:00:22.080
But you know, the, the thing
with the mascot, like the head
01:00:22.085 --> 01:00:25.230
falling off, the thing that
should be scary doesn't scare her.
01:00:25.230 --> 01:00:27.930
Like, she's not afraid of scary stuff.
01:00:27.930 --> 01:00:29.730
She likes poorer stuff.
01:00:29.730 --> 01:00:33.150
That's part of like her fixation
with Pauline and with this park.
01:00:33.690 --> 01:00:36.430
It's like that stuff is
not a problem for her.
01:00:36.430 --> 01:00:39.130
And I think that, you know, becomes
very important in the next episode.
01:00:39.214 --> 01:00:43.964
It's the everyday stuff the social stuff
that is scary and is a problem for her.
01:00:44.364 --> 01:00:47.884
Ben: I like one thing I really like in
this episode, especially being the second
01:00:47.884 --> 01:00:52.359
episode, is I feel like it makes really
good use of the amusement park setting.
01:00:52.899 --> 01:01:01.581
You know, you got monorail tours like
zombie mascot costumes is a very specific.
01:01:02.856 --> 01:01:08.346
And a wonderful concept that you could
only do in this amusement park setting.
01:01:08.523 --> 01:01:11.413
Alicia: B I know you've said
before that like Simpsons is
01:01:11.413 --> 01:01:13.573
ingrained like in your brain.
01:01:13.973 --> 01:01:18.173
When you saw the monorail, did you sing
the monorail song from The Simpsons?
01:01:18.178 --> 01:01:21.623
Because I definitely was
like monorail, monorail.
01:01:22.543 --> 01:01:25.503
Emily: Look, there's no way
there's, you know, you know.
01:01:26.278 --> 01:01:30.088
Like you're, you're in a
particular group of people.
01:01:30.088 --> 01:01:33.418
Like, you know, that you can communicate
a certain way with a particular
01:01:33.418 --> 01:01:37.438
group of people when you say monorail
or you hear the word monorail
01:01:37.438 --> 01:01:40.378
and people automatically go monorail,
01:01:40.453 --> 01:01:43.003
Ben: show take place in
Denville or North Haverbrook?
01:01:43.223 --> 01:01:43.573
Thank
01:01:43.778 --> 01:01:44.198
Jeremy: Mm-hmm.
01:01:44.428 --> 01:01:45.088
Emily: maybe.
01:01:45.488 --> 01:01:46.268
Possibly.
01:01:47.408 --> 01:01:48.818
That's a bit of a deeper cut.
01:01:49.118 --> 01:01:49.748
Nice,
01:01:50.708 --> 01:01:51.008
nice.
01:01:51.408 --> 01:01:51.768
Yeah,
01:01:51.903 --> 01:01:55.293
Ben: Fucking Letter Nemo
Guest starring like a boss.
01:01:55.848 --> 01:01:57.168
Emily: it's so random,
01:01:57.393 --> 01:01:58.473
Ben: So random.
01:01:58.873 --> 01:02:00.283
Emily: back when the Simpsons,
01:02:00.328 --> 01:02:05.758
Ben: I tell you I just found out that Next
Generation and like the last two original
01:02:05.758 --> 01:02:08.788
series movies like took overlapped.
01:02:09.448 --> 01:02:10.559
I did not realize that.
01:02:11.203 --> 01:02:11.563
Emily: I know.
01:02:11.568 --> 01:02:11.803
It's
01:02:12.018 --> 01:02:14.558
Alicia: But Leonard Nemo
is on Next Generation.
01:02:15.073 --> 01:02:18.859
Emily: yeah, he and um,
uh, James Deon as well.
01:02:18.859 --> 01:02:22.189
Like, there's an episode with James
Deon and I, I was like, what the hell?
01:02:22.384 --> 01:02:25.414
Ben: Like I get now, why
who's a better captain?
01:02:25.414 --> 01:02:30.184
Kirk or Picard was such a pertinent
thing in the late eighties when
01:02:30.184 --> 01:02:34.714
they were both on screen at the
same time doing captain stuff.
01:02:35.074 --> 01:02:36.574
That makes more sense now,
01:02:36.979 --> 01:02:38.059
Emily: Picard is better by the way.
01:02:38.059 --> 01:02:38.449
I just want
01:02:38.454 --> 01:02:39.139
everyone that,
01:02:39.409 --> 01:02:42.049
You know, some kids
had, Jesus, I had Picard
01:02:42.459 --> 01:02:42.679
Alicia: and
01:02:42.759 --> 01:02:43.359
I have seven.
01:02:43.749 --> 01:02:45.129
Ben: captain of the enterprise.
01:02:45.729 --> 01:02:46.179
Alicia: Love it.
01:02:46.569 --> 01:02:46.959
Emily: Oh,
01:02:47.364 --> 01:02:48.894
Alicia: What do you
think seven's go Word is.
01:02:49.558 --> 01:02:55.298
Emily: sorry, I, when you said seven,
I was thinking about the film with Brad
01:02:55.298 --> 01:03:01.838
Pitt and Morgan Freeman, and I'm like,
maybe sevens goward is what's in the box.
01:03:02.343 --> 01:03:03.213
Ben: I, if we
01:03:03.408 --> 01:03:03.798
Emily: about
01:03:04.593 --> 01:03:09.123
Ben: if we get that Star Trek legacy,
and I know this is a very stupid
01:03:09.273 --> 01:03:11.373
movie to be making a pun title out of.
01:03:11.613 --> 01:03:13.983
I hope we get lucky number seven
01:03:14.383 --> 01:03:17.293
and it's all just referencing
the Josh Harnett movie.
01:03:19.862 --> 01:03:20.762
Emily: Morgan Freeman.
01:03:21.217 --> 01:03:25.037
Ben: I, I I made a choice
of focus on Josh Harnett.
01:03:25.437 --> 01:03:28.827
Emily: I appreciate you know what,
that was the better choice to make.
01:03:29.227 --> 01:03:32.887
Ben: It was like I thought about
it and my brain made a choice.
01:03:32.887 --> 01:03:32.947
I.
01:03:33.152 --> 01:03:35.972
Alicia: and by all accounts,
it was the right choice.
01:03:36.362 --> 01:03:39.792
Emily: Speaking of choices I'm
gonna, going back to the show.
01:03:40.192 --> 01:03:40.387
Ben: Yeah.
01:03:40.387 --> 01:03:40.687
Oh yeah,
01:03:40.687 --> 01:03:40.867
yeah.
01:03:40.872 --> 01:03:41.197
Shit.
01:03:41.197 --> 01:03:41.707
Right, right.
01:03:41.707 --> 01:03:42.277
We should do that.
01:03:42.677 --> 01:03:46.497
Emily: The art, the, I mean, I was
talking earlier about how whoever
01:03:46.497 --> 01:03:52.747
designs Barney's character did so
from a very experienced place, right?
01:03:52.752 --> 01:03:56.352
But also the demon designs
and those mascot designs.
01:03:56.357 --> 01:03:59.622
Like, I love the, the sort of MTY
character designs of the show.
01:03:59.622 --> 01:04:00.552
It's very charming.
01:04:00.552 --> 01:04:05.742
It's very cute, while also being
very inclusive and diverse.
01:04:05.852 --> 01:04:10.222
But the, the demon designs are so nuts.
01:04:10.632 --> 01:04:12.552
Alicia: Like Gord, the long one.
01:04:13.037 --> 01:04:16.367
Emily: yeah, the weird, like one with
the, it's like a worm with a face,
01:04:16.667 --> 01:04:22.377
and then there's like a weird, like
cow fetus one, and there's all sorts
01:04:22.382 --> 01:04:26.817
of weird stuff that I'm like, this is
t y seven, this is t this t y seven.
01:04:27.807 --> 01:04:32.337
But then also the mascots like, yeah,
okay, five guys to Fred's is the thing.
01:04:32.337 --> 01:04:34.797
And it has defined what
we see from mascots.
01:04:34.797 --> 01:04:37.020
But Buster Scruffs, which
01:04:37.435 --> 01:04:38.165
Alicia: come on little girl.
01:04:38.430 --> 01:04:40.854
Emily: the Ballad of Buster
Scruffs, I wanna know what,
01:04:41.004 --> 01:04:42.294
what, where he comes from.
01:04:42.694 --> 01:04:45.190
Is he from the western,
Pauline Phoenix was in?
01:04:45.590 --> 01:04:46.070
Who knows?
01:04:46.610 --> 01:04:50.970
But there's that time in the
eighties where suddenly every.
01:04:51.370 --> 01:04:54.920
Mascot character was glam,
and you know that that's
01:04:55.160 --> 01:04:57.170
Ben: Garfield and his glam friends.
01:04:57.200 --> 01:04:58.490
Emily: Oh my God.
01:04:58.890 --> 01:04:59.460
Like,
01:04:59.580 --> 01:05:00.480
Ben: The glam glam?
01:05:00.880 --> 01:05:01.060
Emily: is
01:05:01.120 --> 01:05:01.300
Ben: No.
01:05:01.360 --> 01:05:03.820
Was that was that not one
of Garfield's farm friends?
01:05:03.907 --> 01:05:04.837
The glam clam?
01:05:05.444 --> 01:05:06.044
It was not.
01:05:06.249 --> 01:05:06.789
Jeremy: That sounds
01:05:06.789 --> 01:05:07.719
like a, a sexual
01:05:07.844 --> 01:05:08.024
Ben: was
01:05:08.169 --> 01:05:10.869
Alicia: was like going through
Garfield and friends and like I
01:05:10.934 --> 01:05:11.264
Ben: no.
01:05:11.264 --> 01:05:12.494
This was just in my head, just
01:05:12.494 --> 01:05:17.744
like a, glam with like eyes, but
this also dressed like Liberace.
01:05:17.984 --> 01:05:20.894
Emily: I think that's a, I think
that's an 8 24 movie that just
01:05:20.899 --> 01:05:23.784
came out, but the shell Anyway.
01:05:24.174 --> 01:05:25.224
Talk about horrifying.
01:05:25.284 --> 01:05:27.954
But yeah, the, the, like, the
glam, there's just like randomly
01:05:27.954 --> 01:05:30.124
glam mascots and things like that.
01:05:30.124 --> 01:05:33.869
And like, yeah, five Nights at Freddy's
has addressed that with the new game
01:05:33.874 --> 01:05:36.119
that came out a while ago, whatever.
01:05:36.179 --> 01:05:40.889
But anyway there's some
really solid art decisions.
01:05:41.289 --> 01:05:45.519
And I just wanna address that and, and,
you know, as a, as an artist and as
01:05:45.524 --> 01:05:51.099
somebody who, who enjoys the process of
character design I appreciated that a lot.
01:05:51.499 --> 01:05:51.859
Ben: Yeah.
01:05:51.884 --> 01:05:55.274
Alicia: I'm trying to look up a picture
of Buster Scruffs, and it's very hard
01:05:55.274 --> 01:05:57.014
because Google just really wants to show
01:05:57.019 --> 01:05:57.289
Ben: Do,
01:05:57.524 --> 01:05:58.214
Alicia: Scrubs.
01:05:58.319 --> 01:05:58.829
Emily: Yeah.
01:05:59.059 --> 01:06:02.149
Ben: do we, uh, have any more
thoughts on episode two or do
01:06:02.149 --> 01:06:04.439
we wanna dive into Beach Day?
01:06:04.439 --> 01:06:06.029
Anxiety fun?
01:06:06.434 --> 01:06:06.884
Emily: I wanna
01:06:06.954 --> 01:06:07.174
Alicia: too?
01:06:07.184 --> 01:06:08.354
Emily: about harmony.
01:06:08.764 --> 01:06:09.544
Alicia: All right, let's do
01:06:09.549 --> 01:06:09.879
Ben: You mean
01:06:10.014 --> 01:06:12.054
Emily: I wanna harmony
01:06:12.399 --> 01:06:14.049
Ben: voiced by Alan Cumming?
01:06:14.589 --> 01:06:15.249
Incredible.
01:06:15.249 --> 01:06:15.339
Get.
01:06:15.739 --> 01:06:17.929
Emily: I did not realize that.
01:06:18.329 --> 01:06:19.559
Jeremy: Night crawler himself.
01:06:19.829 --> 01:06:20.309
Emily: Oh my
01:06:20.429 --> 01:06:21.179
God.
01:06:21.669 --> 01:06:22.269
Alicia: accent.
01:06:22.269 --> 01:06:22.419
You
01:06:22.469 --> 01:06:23.069
Emily: Yeah.
01:06:23.169 --> 01:06:23.409
Alicia: up.
01:06:23.799 --> 01:06:27.729
Emily: Well his, Scottish
accent is very subtle until uh,
01:06:27.759 --> 01:06:29.319
Badia does the impression of
01:06:29.319 --> 01:06:29.679
him
01:06:30.034 --> 01:06:31.984
Alicia: And then you're
like, wait a second.
01:06:32.529 --> 01:06:32.889
Emily: Oh yeah.
01:06:32.889 --> 01:06:33.069
He
01:06:33.094 --> 01:06:35.044
Alicia: He does have a Scottish accent.
01:06:35.404 --> 01:06:35.674
Yeah.
01:06:35.679 --> 01:06:37.384
Body's impression is really good.
01:06:37.389 --> 01:06:37.744
Right.
01:06:38.254 --> 01:06:38.584
Alright.
01:06:38.879 --> 01:06:41.009
Episode three is called Trust Me.
01:06:41.459 --> 01:06:44.699
And I just wrote a couple of
like throwaway lines here.
01:06:44.779 --> 01:06:50.559
Courtney has figured out that Timal Lucas
is inside of Pugsley still and she knows
01:06:50.564 --> 01:06:54.759
that his hair is probably what brought
the mascots to life in the first place.
01:06:55.089 --> 01:06:58.479
And so she's gonna try and teach
Pugsley how to do some spells.
01:06:58.729 --> 01:07:01.249
One of my favorite
jokes is so simple here.
01:07:01.335 --> 01:07:05.855
Courtney, who loves pop culture, she
says You're a Wizard pugsley to him.
01:07:05.865 --> 01:07:09.285
But she hands him a book
and he's like, what's that?
01:07:09.285 --> 01:07:12.586
And she says, spell book Pugsley Pugsley.
01:07:12.591 --> 01:07:15.165
And Pugsley goes b o o.
01:07:16.005 --> 01:07:16.285
she's,
01:07:16.315 --> 01:07:16.435
Ben: I
01:07:16.445 --> 01:07:17.525
also love that.
01:07:18.035 --> 01:07:19.475
I love that joke a lot.
01:07:19.635 --> 01:07:20.085
Alicia: I loved
01:07:20.165 --> 01:07:21.725
Emily: Yeah, that was
01:07:21.945 --> 01:07:22.005
Alicia: Um,
01:07:22.295 --> 01:07:22.955
Emily: good stuff.
01:07:23.265 --> 01:07:26.745
Alicia: because just the episode
before Barney has been getting
01:07:26.745 --> 01:07:29.925
pugsley to say things and trying
to make him say like, indubitably,
01:07:29.925 --> 01:07:31.995
which was just hilarious and cute.
01:07:32.225 --> 01:07:32.735
Emily: Yeah.
01:07:32.785 --> 01:07:37.569
When uh, Courtney Hands publicly the
book, it's, you know, a thick, thick book.
01:07:37.779 --> 01:07:42.109
You know, it's like a classic
tome and leys, like, I don't
01:07:42.109 --> 01:07:43.339
know if I can handle this one.
01:07:43.339 --> 01:07:45.589
I don't think my comprehension
is that advanced.
01:07:45.619 --> 01:07:48.349
You know, I just finished
that one about the, the Hungry
01:07:48.349 --> 01:07:51.529
Caterpillar and, uh, twist ending.
01:07:51.929 --> 01:07:57.370
Also fun fact demon Lord
Corner do, do deep abracadabra,
01:07:57.870 --> 01:07:58.590
Alicia: vodka cadaver.
01:07:59.090 --> 01:07:59.810
Emily: No.
01:08:00.210 --> 01:08:01.050
Ava Cadabra.
01:08:01.055 --> 01:08:01.440
Yes.
01:08:01.440 --> 01:08:05.610
I don't, I don't believe for a second
that JK did any sort of research
01:08:06.160 --> 01:08:08.770
Alicia: No, I think it just
sounds like abracadabra and
01:08:08.790 --> 01:08:09.270
Emily: because,
01:08:09.490 --> 01:08:10.000
Alicia: the funny
01:08:10.355 --> 01:08:13.615
Ben: How do we make, how,
what if Abra was evil?
01:08:13.720 --> 01:08:14.380
Alicia: Exactly.
01:08:15.250 --> 01:08:17.790
Emily: and that's the
thing, is that, okay,
01:08:18.200 --> 01:08:18.490
Alicia: Okay.
01:08:18.720 --> 01:08:22.230
I always thought abracadabra
meant like abre cadaver, which
01:08:22.230 --> 01:08:23.760
means like open a dead body.
01:08:23.760 --> 01:08:25.440
That's how I always thought about it.
01:08:25.465 --> 01:08:25.885
Emily: okay.
01:08:25.885 --> 01:08:29.425
It comes from an ancient Greek okay.
01:08:29.835 --> 01:08:30.405
Alicia: Oh no.
01:08:30.405 --> 01:08:32.115
She had to take off the
little finger gloves.
01:08:32.120 --> 01:08:33.200
Emily: Oh yeah, sorry.
01:08:33.280 --> 01:08:39.630
The, the Abra is first seen in
like a magic book in the second
01:08:39.630 --> 01:08:40.770
century or something like that.
01:08:40.770 --> 01:08:47.210
And it's, it's based on some ancient Greek
talismans known as the Abraxis stones.
01:08:47.810 --> 01:08:54.330
The Axi stones referred to a particular
being, which is referred to in
01:08:54.330 --> 01:09:00.540
certain texts as a demon, but as a
demon that has access to holy power.
01:09:00.940 --> 01:09:02.680
And abracadabra.
01:09:02.680 --> 01:09:09.507
Yeah, he is sort of like in between,
and he wards off bad guys, so he
01:09:09.507 --> 01:09:12.697
sort of like your demon guard tiger.
01:09:13.097 --> 01:09:16.007
I don't say dog because dogs
are inherently good boys.
01:09:16.537 --> 01:09:19.327
And this demon is
wording off other demons.
01:09:19.907 --> 01:09:25.567
Abracadabra is also depicted as a talisman
that wards off disease and plague.
01:09:25.967 --> 01:09:28.277
It is also referred to as a demon trap.
01:09:28.677 --> 01:09:32.637
So when Courtney says,
don't say abracadabra by
01:09:32.752 --> 01:09:34.882
Alicia: Oh, because it's a demon
01:09:35.877 --> 01:09:38.437
Emily: it is I don't
know if they actually did.
01:09:38.437 --> 01:09:44.587
I feel like they did because I see
some references to demons from like,
01:09:44.987 --> 01:09:46.667
hys, Bosch and stuff like that.
01:09:46.667 --> 01:09:53.382
Like there's some pretty deep cut demon
references without getting too like, mixed
01:09:53.382 --> 01:09:56.742
up with the pine on and all that kind of
stuff, the kind of issues that we've had
01:09:56.742 --> 01:09:59.982
with things like hereditary where they
talk about demons and then just stop.
01:10:00.582 --> 01:10:04.662
Whether it's a coincidence, a funny joke
or not about like, oh, we don't say abra.
01:10:05.062 --> 01:10:09.982
I choose to believe that there is
some, some involved demon lore here.
01:10:10.522 --> 01:10:12.162
So, I appreciated that.
01:10:12.162 --> 01:10:14.802
I appreciated that little nuance
and the fact that the demon
01:10:15.192 --> 01:10:19.012
Courtney is not evil, just chaotic.
01:10:19.462 --> 01:10:19.822
Alicia: Yeah.
01:10:19.827 --> 01:10:23.152
I don't know if she's entirely,
I mean, she certainly loves
01:10:23.152 --> 01:10:26.482
chaos, but what she really wants
is just to get home, like she's,
01:10:26.887 --> 01:10:27.567
Ben: And trash
01:10:27.592 --> 01:10:33.112
Alicia: actions make, and she wants to eat
trash, which don't we all, don't we all?
01:10:33.322 --> 01:10:35.812
Who's gonna, who's gonna
judge Courtney for that?
01:10:36.162 --> 01:10:39.372
Emily: and I also love that
she is a girl character and
01:10:39.372 --> 01:10:41.502
explicitly, she is a girl demon.
01:10:41.502 --> 01:10:45.282
She's not like a, a, a gender
fluid demon or anything like that.
01:10:45.482 --> 01:10:48.592
Alicia: I think in the original
series in the books, she was a
01:10:48.592 --> 01:10:51.692
non-binary gender fluid demon.
01:10:52.082 --> 01:10:56.132
But I think for the television
show, if I remember what I read
01:10:56.132 --> 01:11:02.502
correctly, they wanted to not
imply that gender fluid people were
01:11:02.892 --> 01:11:03.242
Jeremy: Demon.
01:11:03.694 --> 01:11:04.174
Emily: Yes.
01:11:04.694 --> 01:11:04.994
Alicia: Yeah.
01:11:05.324 --> 01:11:08.414
Emily: You know, and I do love a gender
fluid demon, but I think in this case,
01:11:08.454 --> 01:11:10.794
it was a good, a, a, a good decision.
01:11:11.184 --> 01:11:14.844
And I also really appreciate that you
could have the girl character who is
01:11:14.904 --> 01:11:20.917
of like a trash rat like of character,
which you know, is, is another decision
01:11:20.917 --> 01:11:23.157
that a lot of series will pass up on.
01:11:23.557 --> 01:11:25.777
So, you know, that's, that's fun.
01:11:26.177 --> 01:11:26.597
Thank you.
01:11:26.602 --> 01:11:26.987
Show.
01:11:27.397 --> 01:11:28.147
Alicia: Thank Keisha.
01:11:28.507 --> 01:11:31.656
All right, so let's
dive into this episode.
01:11:32.037 --> 01:11:33.477
uh, this episode is called Trust Me.
01:11:33.482 --> 01:11:37.197
As I said before, we find out that
Norma is bad at making friends.
01:11:37.507 --> 01:11:44.077
You know, she shows up at Beach Day Trust
Exercises Day and her mom, you know, kind
01:11:44.077 --> 01:11:47.707
of pushes her outta the car, which was
like, everybody in this car loves you.
01:11:48.157 --> 01:11:50.287
Everybody out there needs
to know how cool you are.
01:11:50.287 --> 01:11:53.587
So get outta my car,
smooches, go make friends.
01:11:54.217 --> 01:11:57.827
And Barney tells Norma that it's
easy to make friends with people
01:11:57.827 --> 01:11:59.117
if you try to get to know them.
01:11:59.117 --> 01:12:00.377
And you learn people's names.
01:12:00.377 --> 01:12:01.997
And she's like, why do I need to do that?
01:12:01.997 --> 01:12:03.497
I've got names for everyone.
01:12:03.797 --> 01:12:07.817
And that's when she find, we find
out that she basically calls people
01:12:07.817 --> 01:12:12.227
whatever job that they're associated
with, like she calls body a death slide.
01:12:12.647 --> 01:12:14.477
And BOD is like, hold on a second.
01:12:14.477 --> 01:12:16.267
No, I, I'm keeping that.
01:12:16.547 --> 01:12:18.567
Did I really like that nickname?
01:12:18.567 --> 01:12:19.137
That's great.
01:12:19.497 --> 01:12:23.867
Baia also we find out
is just delightful and
01:12:24.282 --> 01:12:24.882
Ben: Oh yeah, she's
01:12:25.117 --> 01:12:26.407
Alicia: good friends with Norma.
01:12:26.562 --> 01:12:27.732
Ben: She's a wonderful character.
01:12:28.537 --> 01:12:31.687
Alicia: Yeah, because she's just
fine with allowing Norma to be who
01:12:31.687 --> 01:12:36.937
Norma is and she thinks Norma is cool
and Norma can't figure out why Baia
01:12:36.937 --> 01:12:39.467
thinks that she's cool, but Yeah.
01:12:39.687 --> 01:12:41.727
Yeah, she calls logs health and safety.
01:12:42.127 --> 01:12:46.207
So one of the things that I
noticed is that when Harmony
01:12:46.207 --> 01:12:47.737
greets them, he says nama
01:12:48.792 --> 01:12:49.082
Emily: Yeah.
01:12:51.187 --> 01:12:52.824
Alicia: and only logs.
01:12:52.824 --> 01:12:55.694
And Norma seem to register this as wrong.
01:12:56.114 --> 01:12:57.434
Like Norma
01:12:57.729 --> 01:12:59.349
Jeremy: Both the, both the Asian
01:12:59.349 --> 01:13:00.879
characters are like, what the fuck?
01:13:01.349 --> 01:13:02.219
Alicia: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:13:02.249 --> 01:13:06.299
Norma's like, the logs just kind of
gives a polite little whatever which
01:13:06.299 --> 01:13:10.469
is, and I have in my notes, like in
a big square, who is paying them,
01:13:10.739 --> 01:13:12.569
like who is paying them to be here?
01:13:12.574 --> 01:13:14.849
Who is paying harmony to do this?
01:13:15.059 --> 01:13:16.859
Harmony is clearly evil.
01:13:17.249 --> 01:13:18.599
From minute one.
01:13:18.599 --> 01:13:19.049
And
01:13:19.299 --> 01:13:19.519
Ben: he
01:13:19.609 --> 01:13:22.069
still probably like a deposit check.
01:13:22.069 --> 01:13:24.109
Still probably needed
to be sent in though.
01:13:24.239 --> 01:13:25.349
Alicia: somewhere, right?
01:13:25.739 --> 01:13:30.549
Jeremy: Before, like we get to sort of
the twist of, harmony in this like opening
01:13:30.549 --> 01:13:33.789
section where they're going through the
trust fall, the trust exercise is the
01:13:33.794 --> 01:13:35.859
trust fall bit is the funniest to me.
01:13:36.289 --> 01:13:40.909
And somehow most relatable because
Barney stands behind Norma to do the
01:13:40.909 --> 01:13:45.829
trust fall and Norma falls forward
instead of backing the Barney.
01:13:46.189 --> 01:13:49.356
And Barney says, why
didn't you fall backwards?
01:13:49.356 --> 01:13:49.446
And
01:13:49.446 --> 01:13:49.806
she says,
01:13:49.866 --> 01:13:50.371
Alicia: do that?
01:13:50.436 --> 01:13:51.216
Jeremy: have caught me.
01:13:51.516 --> 01:13:54.426
So like she f she would
rather fall forward on her
01:13:54.431 --> 01:13:56.616
face than risk the person not
01:13:56.621 --> 01:13:56.976
catching
01:13:57.031 --> 01:13:59.851
Alicia: did not catch herself, did not
01:13:59.851 --> 01:14:03.301
fall forward and catch herself
on her hands, fell forward
01:14:03.301 --> 01:14:04.921
flat on her face because
01:14:04.926 --> 01:14:08.076
Ben: Her no, look, it's like when
you're falling, you're like, look, my
01:14:08.076 --> 01:14:09.516
nose will catch, will break my fall.
01:14:11.216 --> 01:14:15.496
Emily: I mean, it is, so, it's
such a perfect little vignette
01:14:15.976 --> 01:14:18.106
of what anxiety does to you.
01:14:18.926 --> 01:14:24.056
The neurodivergent among us can
overthink something like this where
01:14:24.056 --> 01:14:27.941
they're like, well, if I fall backwards,
then these many things will happen.
01:14:27.941 --> 01:14:30.881
But if I fall forwards, I know
I'll just fall on my face.
01:14:31.361 --> 01:14:31.841
You know?
01:14:32.431 --> 01:14:35.551
Jeremy: Yeah, you don't have to
risk being disappointed or being,
01:14:35.971 --> 01:14:39.511
you know, mistreated if you know
that you're going to throw yourself
01:14:39.511 --> 01:14:40.551
face first into the ground.
01:14:41.041 --> 01:14:42.811
Emily: yes, yes, yes,
01:14:43.046 --> 01:14:43.406
Alicia: Yeah.
01:14:44.366 --> 01:14:46.466
So Harmony is their leader.
01:14:46.496 --> 01:14:49.316
He is doing all of these trust
exercises, these team building
01:14:49.316 --> 01:14:54.056
exercises, and he's going through all
of the classic team building exercises.
01:14:54.356 --> 01:14:56.576
Which leads me to one
of my questions for you.
01:14:56.576 --> 01:14:59.216
What is your favorite team
building exercise, Jeremy Go.
01:14:59.606 --> 01:15:00.646
Jeremy: I mean, as, as a.
01:15:02.011 --> 01:15:07.221
As a drama student, I really
enjoy the the mirroring exercise.
01:15:07.621 --> 01:15:11.221
The, I don't know if that's ex,
it's not a trust exercise, but it
01:15:11.221 --> 01:15:14.191
is sort of like a team building,
relationship building thing of, you
01:15:14.196 --> 01:15:16.741
know, mirroring the the other person
01:15:17.326 --> 01:15:17.956
Ben: Drinking.
01:15:18.366 --> 01:15:18.816
Alicia: All right.
01:15:18.846 --> 01:15:19.266
Okay.
01:15:19.266 --> 01:15:20.976
Team building, exercise, drinking.
01:15:21.036 --> 01:15:21.486
All right.
01:15:21.886 --> 01:15:22.996
Emily, what's your favorite one?
01:15:23.376 --> 01:15:24.696
Emily: Feeding Fierce to the skull?
01:15:26.176 --> 01:15:29.776
Alicia: Well, you're in luck because
that's what they're going to do.
01:15:30.166 --> 01:15:34.726
I was gonna say that human not thing
that would always makes me excited or
01:15:34.726 --> 01:15:40.396
anytime I got to play with a parachute
in PE because they brought out the
01:15:40.396 --> 01:15:42.376
parachutes and that was the best
01:15:42.456 --> 01:15:43.626
Emily: When did they bring it out?
01:15:43.626 --> 01:15:44.376
In the show.
01:15:44.523 --> 01:15:45.093
Alicia: parachutes.
01:15:45.093 --> 01:15:46.263
No, they didn't do that in the show.
01:15:46.503 --> 01:15:47.433
That's just what I like.
01:15:47.723 --> 01:15:48.083
Emily: Oh, yeah.
01:15:48.743 --> 01:15:49.763
Jeremy: is what I like.
01:15:49.993 --> 01:15:52.933
Ben: I'm gonna say being
inebriated is the only thing that's
01:15:52.933 --> 01:15:54.913
ever made me not wanna leave.
01:15:55.243 --> 01:15:55.573
Alicia: Yeah.
01:15:55.603 --> 01:15:59.023
Whenever people say, now they're like,
let's go do a ropes course, and I'm like,
01:15:59.413 --> 01:15:59.713
Emily: Yeah.
01:15:59.893 --> 01:16:02.833
Having to touch other people is not great.
01:16:02.939 --> 01:16:05.939
Especially in like a professional
setting, you know, that's a little
01:16:05.939 --> 01:16:09.659
bit dicey for me, especially like
if you're all tangled up bodily.
01:16:10.139 --> 01:16:12.389
Ben: Anytime I've been at a
ropes course or done that truss
01:16:12.519 --> 01:16:15.209
exercise, I always fall into a no.
01:16:15.209 --> 01:16:16.199
Hey, I think we should.
01:16:16.379 --> 01:16:17.789
Is, is anyone listening to me?
01:16:17.789 --> 01:16:17.969
All right.
01:16:17.999 --> 01:16:18.269
No.
01:16:18.329 --> 01:16:18.569
Alright.
01:16:18.569 --> 01:16:18.959
Fuck it.
01:16:18.964 --> 01:16:19.469
I don't care.
01:16:19.829 --> 01:16:20.249
Emily: yeah,
01:16:20.574 --> 01:16:24.491
Alicia: I, I have to admit that
as a teacher, people always have
01:16:24.491 --> 01:16:28.001
icebreakers that they're like,
oh, let's do some fun icebreakers.
01:16:28.361 --> 01:16:29.111
I hate them.
01:16:29.711 --> 01:16:31.601
I'm bad at them as a teacher.
01:16:31.601 --> 01:16:33.101
I never played games.
01:16:33.501 --> 01:16:38.131
I will participate in them if asked
to because I don't want anybody
01:16:38.136 --> 01:16:40.411
to like their plans to go poorly.
01:16:40.411 --> 01:16:44.641
And usually after finishing an
icebreaker, I'm not unhappy that I did.
01:16:45.041 --> 01:16:49.241
However, whenever I teach anything,
like my students are like, are
01:16:49.241 --> 01:16:50.261
we ever gonna play any games?
01:16:50.261 --> 01:16:51.371
I'm like, no, I don't play games.
01:16:51.371 --> 01:16:52.631
I don't, I don't like them.
01:16:52.801 --> 01:16:53.751
Jeremy: And come here to make friends.
01:16:56.266 --> 01:16:59.086
Ben: Every party I've ever been at where
it's like, now let's do an icebreaker
01:16:59.086 --> 01:17:00.136
game to get to know each other.
01:17:00.136 --> 01:17:02.066
I'm like, I was already doing that.
01:17:02.426 --> 01:17:05.666
It was called having a fucking
conversation, which you have now
01:17:05.666 --> 01:17:08.436
interrupted for this bullshit game.
01:17:09.086 --> 01:17:09.806
Emily: yeah.
01:17:09.866 --> 01:17:11.666
Like I was in, I was into something.
01:17:11.666 --> 01:17:14.456
I found out this person says monorail.
01:17:14.786 --> 01:17:18.876
When I say monorail, monorail,
and now I'm like, oh, I know
01:17:18.881 --> 01:17:20.076
I could talk to at this game.
01:17:20.381 --> 01:17:20.741
Alicia: yeah, I.
01:17:20.806 --> 01:17:21.736
Emily: party, whatever
01:17:22.646 --> 01:17:27.136
Alicia: I will say, when I was in Kenya
we asked the teachers to introduce
01:17:27.136 --> 01:17:30.976
themselves and like say their name and
like what subject they have, just so
01:17:30.976 --> 01:17:32.476
we could get a feel for who's there.
01:17:32.876 --> 01:17:38.376
And the first person who stood up
told the story of how he got his name.
01:17:38.436 --> 01:17:39.456
I mean, it was very short.
01:17:39.456 --> 01:17:43.056
It wasn't very long, but he said what
his name meant and why he was named that.
01:17:43.056 --> 01:17:46.996
And then every other person said what
their name was and what their name
01:17:46.996 --> 01:17:48.526
meant, and how they got that name.
01:17:48.946 --> 01:17:50.416
And I was like, that is the coolest.
01:17:50.656 --> 01:17:53.146
Like, I was just like
fascinated the whole time.
01:17:53.146 --> 01:17:55.096
I was like, oh my gosh,
this is the most amazing.
01:17:55.496 --> 01:17:57.116
What did I ever think to do this?
01:17:57.486 --> 01:17:57.786
Anyway.
01:17:57.816 --> 01:17:58.086
Okay.
01:17:58.396 --> 01:17:59.516
So yeah.
01:17:59.826 --> 01:18:01.506
So harmony, clearly evil.
01:18:01.506 --> 01:18:03.156
I mean, he looks like a total,
01:18:03.546 --> 01:18:03.896
Emily: Hippy.
01:18:04.306 --> 01:18:05.176
Alicia: D does.
01:18:05.181 --> 01:18:06.886
He, does he actu, I mean,
01:18:07.276 --> 01:18:07.566
Jeremy: Like
01:18:07.606 --> 01:18:07.726
a
01:18:07.726 --> 01:18:08.126
hipster
01:18:08.131 --> 01:18:10.171
Alicia: his hair swooped over one eye.
01:18:10.201 --> 01:18:11.851
He's got like a little goatee.
01:18:11.851 --> 01:18:13.711
He's wearing like a little skull necklace.
01:18:13.711 --> 01:18:14.371
He's wearing like
01:18:14.531 --> 01:18:15.891
Ben: a guy who lives in a van.
01:18:16.171 --> 01:18:16.591
Alicia: Yeah.
01:18:16.591 --> 01:18:17.491
And he comes out
01:18:17.516 --> 01:18:18.406
Jeremy: down by the
01:18:18.601 --> 01:18:22.799
Alicia: like a dashiki adjacent
shirt or whatever, like top.
01:18:23.080 --> 01:18:27.487
and he starts asking them to explore
their fears as their final trust exercise.
01:18:27.487 --> 01:18:29.587
And he is clearly feeding off their fears.
01:18:29.587 --> 01:18:33.007
He's getting like a real high
off of them touching this special
01:18:33.007 --> 01:18:36.307
skull that he has, and they're all
getting trapped in their fears.
01:18:36.307 --> 01:18:39.787
But plot twist, Norma is the Hulk.
01:18:40.057 --> 01:18:41.137
What's her secret?
01:18:41.287 --> 01:18:43.117
She's scared all the time.
01:18:43.327 --> 01:18:46.057
When you're scared all the time,
you have to just figure out how
01:18:46.057 --> 01:18:49.117
to get through the world even
though you're scared all the time.
01:18:49.507 --> 01:18:55.147
So Norma discovers that she can
enter other people's fears by
01:18:55.147 --> 01:18:58.687
touching the skull with them and
helps everyone deal with their fears.
01:18:59.087 --> 01:19:05.637
And then she feeds all of her anxiety into
harmony whose name is actually harm many,
01:19:06.297 --> 01:19:12.487
and she feeds him enough that he explodes
and they are covered in a disgusting goo,
01:19:12.877 --> 01:19:14.117
Jeremy: I the skull cracks.
01:19:14.592 --> 01:19:20.529
Alicia: and the skull and floats
away into the lake that probably
01:19:20.529 --> 01:19:22.639
has alligators and sharks in it.
01:19:22.639 --> 01:19:24.199
If it's anything like Disney World.
01:19:24.589 --> 01:19:25.249
Emily: Yes.
01:19:25.292 --> 01:19:28.562
I don't know what kind of supernatural
runoff is going on with that
01:19:28.562 --> 01:19:32.042
park, but I'm sure that it is
contaminating the surrounding area.
01:19:32.332 --> 01:19:32.692
Alicia: Yeah.
01:19:33.092 --> 01:19:36.272
Throwaway lines from this episode
that were my favorite other than
01:19:36.277 --> 01:19:41.759
spell book PUDs Lee was when Harmony
says, I always bring a skull to a
01:19:41.759 --> 01:19:43.409
party, and Courtney's like, Hmm.
01:19:43.469 --> 01:19:43.709
Yeah.
01:19:44.109 --> 01:19:44.739
it's just a cute
01:19:44.759 --> 01:19:49.109
Ben: Courtney, you know Courtney is
a delightful presence in the show.
01:19:49.779 --> 01:19:50.199
Alicia: yeah.
01:19:50.429 --> 01:19:51.119
Emily: Um,
01:19:51.249 --> 01:19:53.559
Alicia: Courtney's like, yeah, I get it.
01:19:53.559 --> 01:19:54.219
I get it.
01:19:54.219 --> 01:19:55.299
This is my worst fear.
01:19:55.299 --> 01:19:56.889
You've all seen it laugh at me.
01:19:57.629 --> 01:20:02.379
Ben: I do feel like there's a
certain element where like maybe in
01:20:02.379 --> 01:20:06.039
a different world it would be healthy
to feed your fears to the skull.
01:20:06.419 --> 01:20:07.199
Emily: I mean, yeah, like if
01:20:07.259 --> 01:20:10.709
Ben: it's like if the skull isn't
like trapping you in fear world, but
01:20:10.709 --> 01:20:13.229
just being like, I take your fears.
01:20:13.679 --> 01:20:14.219
Emily: Yeah,
01:20:14.309 --> 01:20:15.239
Ben: I eat them.
01:20:15.969 --> 01:20:17.799
Alicia: What, what what show is that?
01:20:18.199 --> 01:20:20.899
Where she's like, I just
took all your negativity.
01:20:21.299 --> 01:20:22.889
I just took all your negative energy.
01:20:23.119 --> 01:20:24.379
Ben: What if the skull with could be
01:20:24.659 --> 01:20:24.779
Alicia: I
01:20:24.979 --> 01:20:25.279
Emily: maybe.
01:20:25.279 --> 01:20:25.759
Yeah.
01:20:26.169 --> 01:20:27.309
Alicia: think in the good place
01:20:27.409 --> 01:20:27.559
Ben: Yeah.
01:20:27.564 --> 01:20:31.489
What if that skull is just
Pac-Man going through Oh yes.
01:20:31.489 --> 01:20:32.089
That, yes.
01:20:32.119 --> 01:20:33.319
I take your negativity.
01:20:33.819 --> 01:20:37.579
Like just going through your brain,
just chomping up all the fears,
01:20:38.119 --> 01:20:38.719
Emily: Yeah.
01:20:39.359 --> 01:20:42.069
Ben: eating them, fear
ghosts, and also cherries.
01:20:42.469 --> 01:20:43.249
Emily: and Yeah.
01:20:43.549 --> 01:20:44.029
Yeah.
01:20:44.269 --> 01:20:46.819
All of those ghosts are really
cute, so I think that we should, I.
01:20:47.219 --> 01:20:52.539
Also appreciate that our fears are
important and cute and part of us we
01:20:52.539 --> 01:20:55.039
don't always need a power pill anyway.
01:20:55.099 --> 01:20:55.369
Uh,
01:20:55.414 --> 01:20:59.319
Alicia: an anxious person, like
I, I have a lot of anxieties
01:20:59.679 --> 01:21:06.709
and you just, I had, I have to learn
how to just like accept them and so
01:21:06.709 --> 01:21:09.239
that I can continue moving on with life.
01:21:09.262 --> 01:21:11.622
Jeremy: was gonna say, I feel like
we had a conversation about that
01:21:11.622 --> 01:21:15.702
recently where I was like, you have to
accept that this is a thing that you
01:21:15.702 --> 01:21:19.732
could be anxious about, but that you
can't do anything about it right now.
01:21:20.002 --> 01:21:22.102
So you just put it off to the side.
01:21:22.102 --> 01:21:25.302
Like that's how I puts, how
I deal with anxiety is like,
01:21:25.307 --> 01:21:26.592
can I do anything about this?
01:21:26.592 --> 01:21:26.952
Nope.
01:21:27.432 --> 01:21:27.852
All right.
01:21:29.572 --> 01:21:30.052
Emily: Yeah.
01:21:30.199 --> 01:21:34.549
the tricky part is keeping all that
side anxiety from coming back at
01:21:34.549 --> 01:21:39.272
you when that you know, that rubber
band of reality slip slaps back.
01:21:39.609 --> 01:21:46.389
the idea of an uh, chronically anxious
character as nuanced as Norma is being
01:21:46.389 --> 01:21:51.019
able to kind of utilize that Hulk logic.
01:21:51.419 --> 01:21:55.729
To defend herself and also overpower
a fear demon like this demon feeds
01:21:55.729 --> 01:22:01.979
on fear, but ultimately is not very
like, experienced in dealing with
01:22:02.009 --> 01:22:05.459
neurodivergent people and I think
that's the thing is that demons don't
01:22:05.459 --> 01:22:11.649
go for people that are divergent in
any way because they're unpredictable.
01:22:11.689 --> 01:22:12.309
I, I don't know.
01:22:12.639 --> 01:22:13.029
I'm just
01:22:13.354 --> 01:22:13.714
Alicia: Is that
01:22:13.719 --> 01:22:16.684
what you tell yourself so that you
can like convince yourself that
01:22:16.684 --> 01:22:18.424
demons will not come for your brain?
01:22:18.814 --> 01:22:19.624
Emily: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah,
01:22:19.624 --> 01:22:24.654
No, this is absolute, this is
absolutely how I accept myself.
01:22:25.054 --> 01:22:25.444
Jeremy,
01:22:25.529 --> 01:22:27.239
Alicia: you're like,
I might be weird, but.
01:22:27.484 --> 01:22:29.494
Emily: Yeah, yeah.
01:22:29.524 --> 01:22:29.974
I'm too weird.
01:22:30.004 --> 01:22:33.794
Well, have I told you guys
the story about the in Japan?
01:22:34.659 --> 01:22:34.879
Alicia: No
01:22:35.269 --> 01:22:35.989
Emily: So,
01:22:36.949 --> 01:22:38.269
okay, real quick.
01:22:38.669 --> 01:22:42.479
So I was visiting a friend of mine in
Japan, and he was doing the study abroad
01:22:42.479 --> 01:22:45.779
program and if he was with a host family,
it was really, really awesome family.
01:22:46.179 --> 01:22:51.649
It lived out in this kind of suburb of,
it was more like a the North Bay to Tokyo.
01:22:51.649 --> 01:22:53.959
It was a good 40 minute
train ride from Tokyo.
01:22:54.349 --> 01:22:57.109
And it was in this, this lovely
little town that had like rice
01:22:57.109 --> 01:22:58.909
fields and forests and stuff.
01:22:59.309 --> 01:23:03.479
And there was a uh, comic
shop that I wanted to visit.
01:23:03.854 --> 01:23:06.764
It was open till midnight,
but it was through the woods.
01:23:06.944 --> 01:23:10.294
So I would have to walk from this
town through these woods that had
01:23:10.294 --> 01:23:11.914
a road that had no speed limit.
01:23:11.914 --> 01:23:13.474
There were no streetlights or anything.
01:23:13.874 --> 01:23:17.354
At 11 o'clock at night through the
woods to this, this other town.
01:23:17.754 --> 01:23:20.374
And yeah, they had really rare mangas.
01:23:20.374 --> 01:23:23.584
And you know, now they're all
like, I mean, this is 2002.
01:23:23.844 --> 01:23:26.344
Alicia: See, Emily, this is why
the demons gonna get you because
01:23:26.494 --> 01:23:27.704
they know your weaknesses.
01:23:27.734 --> 01:23:30.344
They're gonna say they're mangas.
01:23:30.694 --> 01:23:37.814
Emily: Well, yeah, like I, yes, su well,
the thing is, my friend Robert, who I
01:23:37.814 --> 01:23:43.804
was visiting is Goth and our host mom for
lack of a better term, I mean, she was,
01:23:43.804 --> 01:23:45.694
she's the, the host mom of the family.
01:23:46.094 --> 01:23:49.574
She was giving us this flashlight
and she's like, here you
01:23:49.574 --> 01:23:50.984
go, watch out for the que.
01:23:51.694 --> 01:23:53.684
And I'm like, I'm sorry, what?
01:23:54.084 --> 01:23:56.574
And Robert is like, oh,
it's like a boogieman.
01:23:56.574 --> 01:23:57.174
Don't worry about it.
01:23:57.174 --> 01:23:59.034
And I'm like, I'm worried about it.
01:23:59.424 --> 01:24:03.124
Like I'm fully worried about
it because this is, you know,
01:24:03.124 --> 01:24:04.984
this, this very, this this very
01:24:04.984 --> 01:24:06.034
serious woman.
01:24:06.434 --> 01:24:06.614
Yeah.
01:24:06.614 --> 01:24:10.544
Like, I don't know if she's, just
fucking with me for funsies, you
01:24:10.549 --> 01:24:12.164
know, which is like cool, whatever.
01:24:12.514 --> 01:24:14.314
Didn't seem like that
kind of person though.
01:24:14.374 --> 01:24:19.664
And she was like, Just watch out for the
oba and, when we came home, she explained
01:24:19.664 --> 01:24:23.408
that like she was worried about the
oba, but the keay, which are the sort of
01:24:23.828 --> 01:24:26.898
trickster foxes also are in those woods.
01:24:27.138 --> 01:24:27.918
And she said, well,
01:24:27.943 --> 01:24:28.393
Alicia: Wait, wait.
01:24:28.393 --> 01:24:30.373
Are those the ones with like seven tails?
01:24:30.918 --> 01:24:33.078
Emily: nine tails, usually
when they're like old.
01:24:33.288 --> 01:24:33.768
Yeah.
01:24:34.278 --> 01:24:38.688
And the kite will play tricks
on you and eat you or something.
01:24:38.718 --> 01:24:41.718
They'll, there's a variety of things
that they do, but apparently she
01:24:41.718 --> 01:24:47.418
wasn't worried about the kite getting
us because Robert was too goth.
01:24:47.868 --> 01:24:51.528
So apparently Kite are afraid of goths.
01:24:51.928 --> 01:24:56.318
And so if Keay can be afraid of
goths, I feel like demons could be
01:24:56.318 --> 01:25:00.738
afraid of how powerful my anxiety is.
01:25:01.238 --> 01:25:04.868
I know it's, it's a stretch of logic, but
I think, you know, the fact that someone
01:25:04.868 --> 01:25:09.158
else, yeah, the fact that the whole
crew over at dead end, Peral Park also
01:25:09.158 --> 01:25:11.318
picked up on, on some of these concepts.
01:25:11.378 --> 01:25:13.058
I feel like there's,
there's something there.
01:25:13.578 --> 01:25:15.298
Alicia: I think there is absolutely.
01:25:15.698 --> 01:25:19.277
So yeah, any other straight
observations about this episode?
01:25:19.667 --> 01:25:22.157
Ben: Just that I thought
this was wonderful.
01:25:22.157 --> 01:25:26.427
I thought, this is a really
great depiction of anxiety being
01:25:26.432 --> 01:25:29.667
overwhelmed uh, social situations.
01:25:30.207 --> 01:25:33.117
Again, terrified of having to
socialize with my coworkers.
01:25:33.117 --> 01:25:35.157
So I feel like they
captured that very well.
01:25:35.557 --> 01:25:35.857
Great.
01:25:35.857 --> 01:25:39.703
Guests are um, I think I just
really wanna highlight the shift in
01:25:39.708 --> 01:25:43.363
art style when we go into Norma's
world, which is so well executed.
01:25:44.068 --> 01:25:44.388
Alicia: Absolutely
01:25:44.778 --> 01:25:48.888
Emily: All the fear worlds were very,
very cinematic in ways even with
01:25:49.068 --> 01:25:50.208
Ben: I like hamster world.
01:25:50.433 --> 01:25:53.013
Emily: yeah, the hamster
world with like the weird
01:25:53.823 --> 01:25:55.173
uh, color.
01:25:55.173 --> 01:25:55.773
Yeah.
01:25:56.323 --> 01:25:56.533
Alicia: like,
01:25:56.533 --> 01:25:57.973
the red being so.
01:25:58.363 --> 01:25:59.713
Emily: it's like, is this Elden ring?
01:26:00.583 --> 01:26:04.513
No, it's a world where hamsters
curl up your sleeves, which is,
01:26:04.843 --> 01:26:08.983
you know, I One thing I do wanna
mention about the fear worlds is
01:26:09.013 --> 01:26:16.433
the the fear, the fear hallucination
that Barney has about his grandma.
01:26:16.753 --> 01:26:22.813
There are a lot of ways that they could
have made that a lot more terrifying.
01:26:23.213 --> 01:26:24.863
Not, well, I don't wanna say terrifying.
01:26:25.163 --> 01:26:29.633
There are a lot of ways they could
have made that a lot more traumatizing
01:26:30.083 --> 01:26:34.863
for members of the audience and
the way that when we watched they
01:26:34.863 --> 01:26:40.693
them, or they slash them the first
thing that they lead with is one of
01:26:40.693 --> 01:26:44.143
the most traumatizing and upsetting
things that can happen to a person,
01:26:44.443 --> 01:26:50.653
which is girl being misgendered
and caught knocked in the shower.
01:26:50.653 --> 01:26:52.963
Like, all this stuff that is
really, really upsetting on
01:26:52.963 --> 01:26:54.673
levels that, you know, whoever was
01:26:55.393 --> 01:26:57.133
uh, yeah.
01:26:57.133 --> 01:27:01.123
And but this movie or this movie,
this show, especially the, the
01:27:01.123 --> 01:27:06.033
fear hallucination that that Varney
has, does not include any slurs,
01:27:06.213 --> 01:27:09.093
dead naming harsh language even.
01:27:09.098 --> 01:27:09.163
Because
01:27:09.733 --> 01:27:11.413
Alicia: But it's still so scary.
01:27:11.418 --> 01:27:15.863
Like it's so perfectly
embodies Barney's fears.
01:27:16.223 --> 01:27:20.783
I think it's one of those things that's
like, it's not scary to watch, but it
01:27:20.788 --> 01:27:22.553
would be scary if it happened to you.
01:27:22.953 --> 01:27:27.783
Like the discordant noise and the
pointing and the incessant pointing.
01:27:27.788 --> 01:27:30.643
You know, it's, I thought
that was very well done.
01:27:30.993 --> 01:27:31.443
Emily: Yeah.
01:27:31.443 --> 01:27:36.878
And it's also I mean, it doesn't
highlight anything that is toxic that
01:27:36.878 --> 01:27:40.988
people could repeat, which I think
is really important for a kid's show.
01:27:41.398 --> 01:27:44.848
Alicia: Yeah, I guess kids could
just point at each other really hard.
01:27:45.583 --> 01:27:46.263
Jeremy: I already do that.
01:27:46.663 --> 01:27:49.250
Emily: they, yeah, they already
do that they do a really good
01:27:49.255 --> 01:27:50.810
job of highlighting the fear.
01:27:50.810 --> 01:27:53.923
And, you know, with the context
of the rest of the episodes, we,
01:27:53.923 --> 01:27:59.083
we know why grandma is, or Grammy
Graham is upsetting to Barney.
01:27:59.353 --> 01:28:01.633
We don't need the specifics.
01:28:02.033 --> 01:28:05.783
And I think that that's important
because so many people dismiss
01:28:05.788 --> 01:28:08.938
when you are harassed or when
you are dead named or whatever.
01:28:09.538 --> 01:28:11.988
People could say, well, those
are just words people say, have
01:28:11.988 --> 01:28:13.308
the same argument for slurs.
01:28:13.308 --> 01:28:15.455
Like why are slurs so, powerful?
01:28:15.605 --> 01:28:16.385
They're just words.
01:28:16.785 --> 01:28:17.955
It's not the words.
01:28:18.268 --> 01:28:23.948
And I thought it was a really great
poignant way for the of kids show
01:28:24.348 --> 01:28:30.651
to express that without dismissing
or reducing the experience.
01:28:30.656 --> 01:28:31.911
Two words, if that
01:28:32.086 --> 01:28:32.286
Alicia: Absolutely.
01:28:33.076 --> 01:28:33.466
Yeah.
01:28:34.066 --> 01:28:36.556
So, Jeremy, I believe there's
some questions that you
01:28:36.556 --> 01:28:37.906
usually ask around this time.
01:28:38.296 --> 01:28:41.046
Jeremy: Yeah, I, I think most
of them we've honestly answered.
01:28:41.096 --> 01:28:41.246
I.
01:28:41.646 --> 01:28:46.966
We've all sort of agreed that it, it
deals with L G B T issues very well in
01:28:46.966 --> 01:28:52.666
the, the form of Barney and, and further
on, I think in Barney and logs quite
01:28:52.666 --> 01:28:58.056
a bit as their, you know, relationship
as through Yeah, well there are other
01:28:58.176 --> 01:29:01.706
characters with queer identities,
but none of those are discussed in
01:29:01.711 --> 01:29:03.770
these shows that we're talking about.
01:29:03.770 --> 01:29:05.150
But there is more to that.
01:29:05.660 --> 01:29:08.746
I do also think like this is one
of the more interesting and nuanced
01:29:08.746 --> 01:29:10.936
depictions of both anxiety and autism.
01:29:11.316 --> 01:29:16.296
Usually our questions about mental health
and, and illness boil down to trauma.
01:29:16.796 --> 01:29:20.376
But this one is actually like very,
sort of interested in nuanced in,
01:29:20.376 --> 01:29:25.996
in discussing and depicting both
autism and general social anxiety.
01:29:26.570 --> 01:29:28.220
We've already talked about quite a bit.
01:29:28.620 --> 01:29:30.630
Do we feel like this the
show is feminist guys?
01:29:31.030 --> 01:29:31.570
Emily: yeah,
01:29:31.780 --> 01:29:32.500
Ben: Oh yeah.
01:29:32.590 --> 01:29:33.280
I mean,
01:29:33.550 --> 01:29:34.030
Emily: Especially
01:29:34.120 --> 01:29:36.760
Ben: yeah, we got Courtney Norma.
01:29:36.760 --> 01:29:37.870
I mean, this is all full of.
01:29:38.270 --> 01:29:42.470
Three dimensional, well developed
women characters like who
01:29:42.980 --> 01:29:44.660
got plenty of stuff going on.
01:29:44.660 --> 01:29:46.730
Plenty of focus on the main cast.
01:29:46.730 --> 01:29:50.486
Yeah, there's definitely a good
gender balance in the show, I think.
01:29:50.886 --> 01:29:52.596
Emily: It doesn't suffer from tokenism.
01:29:52.996 --> 01:29:53.146
Jeremy: Yeah.
01:29:53.146 --> 01:29:58.816
I think a lot of the characteristics that
are often depicted in male characters are
01:29:59.176 --> 01:30:00.856
shown through female characters in this.
01:30:00.856 --> 01:30:03.406
We do have, you know, Courtney
is sort of the, the trash
01:30:03.406 --> 01:30:05.926
person uh, or demon in her case.
01:30:06.266 --> 01:30:10.456
I, I feel like there's a large
tendency for, for almost every
01:30:10.456 --> 01:30:15.386
socially anxious or autistic character
that I've seen on TV has been male.
01:30:15.866 --> 01:30:20.286
And I, I think this is, unusual and
extremely well done in that case.
01:30:20.686 --> 01:30:23.176
We, we don't get as much of it in
these first few episodes, but I think
01:30:23.176 --> 01:30:26.796
Baria as a character gets better
and more interesting as, as we go
01:30:26.796 --> 01:30:29.286
and starts to fill out quite well.
01:30:29.796 --> 01:30:30.216
Trying to think.
01:30:30.216 --> 01:30:33.966
I mean, obviously there's
Pauline who is sort of a villain.
01:30:34.086 --> 01:30:35.706
She is a villainist in some ways.
01:30:36.086 --> 01:30:39.656
And sort of an extreme
example in a, a lot of ways.
01:30:40.166 --> 01:30:43.946
But yeah, there's this a pretty
well gender balanced cast.
01:30:44.426 --> 01:30:47.776
The, the weird face I was making earlier
that Emily started to ask about is I
01:30:47.781 --> 01:30:51.506
was looking at the cast and I realized
that it's a very interesting cast just
01:30:51.506 --> 01:30:55.556
generally, but Josh, who is one of
the sort of the white guy theme park
01:30:55.556 --> 01:30:58.666
worker that they're friends with, who
only appears in like five episodes, is
01:30:58.671 --> 01:31:00.796
voiced by Patrick Stump of Fallout Boy.
01:31:01.166 --> 01:31:01.386
Alicia: Oh,
01:31:01.896 --> 01:31:02.056
Emily: Sing.
01:31:02.322 --> 01:31:02.842
Ben: That's fun.
01:31:03.392 --> 01:31:03.512
Jeremy: yeah.
01:31:03.512 --> 01:31:04.832
And this for like five episodes.
01:31:05.012 --> 01:31:06.512
It's just like, it's a strange choice.
01:31:06.822 --> 01:31:07.752
Emily: He does sing.
01:31:08.162 --> 01:31:09.782
Alicia: he, he is a singer, doesn't he?
01:31:09.787 --> 01:31:12.672
Isn't he like doing this job until
he gets discovered or something?
01:31:13.062 --> 01:31:17.312
Emily: I don't, I don't remember that
bit, but I, I do remember he does start
01:31:17.317 --> 01:31:19.267
the music for the musical episode.
01:31:19.677 --> 01:31:19.897
Alicia: Huh?
01:31:20.287 --> 01:31:23.374
Jeremy: Yeah, I, it's, it's
generally a really interesting cast.
01:31:23.474 --> 01:31:26.534
Especially like some of
the, the later episodes.
01:31:26.614 --> 01:31:31.624
We meet, we do meet Tamal Lucas's sister,
later Zain, who's played by MJ Rodriguez.
01:31:32.164 --> 01:31:35.224
So there's, there's like a lot, a
really interesting group of people
01:31:35.224 --> 01:31:37.774
that we, we get throughout the series.
01:31:38.314 --> 01:31:41.314
It's really well cast What about race?
01:31:41.314 --> 01:31:43.984
How, how do we generally feel about
how race is dealt with in this?
01:31:44.384 --> 01:31:48.054
Ben: I mean, it, it doesn't seem like
it's ever being addressed directly.
01:31:48.054 --> 01:31:51.234
But again, this is a wildly diverse cast.
01:31:51.239 --> 01:31:57.144
I mean, you have a Jewish, a Jewish
and Iranian American in the le
01:31:58.209 --> 01:31:58.629
Emily: Mm-hmm.
01:31:58.799 --> 01:31:59.319
Alicia: Pakistani.
01:31:59.709 --> 01:32:01.539
Ben: sorry, Pakistani American in the le
01:32:01.939 --> 01:32:04.269
, Emily: like I said, it's,
doesn't suffer from tokenism.
01:32:04.669 --> 01:32:10.619
It, it's the, the character's
identities are not, the characters
01:32:10.619 --> 01:32:12.059
aren't defined by their race.
01:32:12.109 --> 01:32:12.379
Which I
01:32:12.544 --> 01:32:14.609
Alicia: their race does
inform their characters.
01:32:14.609 --> 01:32:17.609
Their ethnicity and culture
does form who they are.
01:32:17.759 --> 01:32:18.049
Yeah,
01:32:18.319 --> 01:32:18.619
Emily: Yeah.
01:32:18.979 --> 01:32:19.939
Which is important.
01:32:19.939 --> 01:32:22.609
I think it's, it's an important thing
'cause you know, you can't ignore it.
01:32:23.199 --> 01:32:23.559
Alicia: agreed.
01:32:23.719 --> 01:32:28.274
Emily: I also wanna mention the, I
appreciate the depiction of Barney.
01:32:28.674 --> 01:32:30.084
As a larger person.
01:32:30.284 --> 01:32:35.744
, it's, you know, it is acknowledged, but
it is not an issue for the character.
01:32:35.844 --> 01:32:36.114
Jeremy: Yeah.
01:32:36.114 --> 01:32:41.384
Ne never is it implied by either
Barney or in later episodes, Barney's
01:32:41.384 --> 01:32:45.524
romantic partner logs that like, this
is a thing that needs to be fixed.
01:32:45.924 --> 01:32:46.019
know,
01:32:46.224 --> 01:32:50.944
Alicia: Yeah, I absolutely love the
fact that in later episodes we find out
01:32:50.949 --> 01:32:53.154
that Barney is pretty athletic as well
01:32:53.329 --> 01:32:53.619
Emily: Yeah,
01:32:54.444 --> 01:32:57.474
Alicia: and really
enjoys going to the gym.
01:32:57.834 --> 01:32:58.254
Um,
01:32:58.324 --> 01:32:59.129
Jeremy: pro wrestling
01:32:59.274 --> 01:33:01.044
Alicia: and he loves pro wrestling
01:33:01.154 --> 01:33:03.674
Ben: Yeah, we, I, I got far enough
to the episode where he tried
01:33:03.674 --> 01:33:05.534
to suplex a giant enemy crab
01:33:05.844 --> 01:33:06.624
Alicia: yes.
01:33:08.174 --> 01:33:08.804
Ben: spoilers.
01:33:08.804 --> 01:33:09.644
It did not work.
01:33:10.884 --> 01:33:12.524
Alicia: So, would you all recommend this?
01:33:12.914 --> 01:33:14.954
Ben: Yeah, I'm probably
gonna keep watching it.
01:33:15.074 --> 01:33:15.284
I
01:33:15.284 --> 01:33:15.634
think.
01:33:15.834 --> 01:33:19.774
I mean, I know it ends on the
cliffhanger and fell victim to the
01:33:20.344 --> 01:33:22.414
greatest grim reaper of them all.
01:33:22.504 --> 01:33:23.584
Netflix,
01:33:23.779 --> 01:33:24.349
Emily: God, I.
01:33:24.919 --> 01:33:27.299
Jeremy: It only, it doesn't,
doesn't, I'm trying to think if
01:33:27.299 --> 01:33:28.879
it really ends on a cliffhanger.
01:33:28.879 --> 01:33:33.169
Like they definitely set more stuff
up to happen, but I do feel like it
01:33:33.569 --> 01:33:37.919
both seasons sort of resolved the
larger conflict in those seasons.
01:33:38.429 --> 01:33:41.939
So I don't feel like it's like
several of the mystery shows on
01:33:41.939 --> 01:33:45.629
Netflix that have, like, died
without anything being resolved.
01:33:46.034 --> 01:33:48.614
Ben: oh, as a big fan of Archive 81.
01:33:49.199 --> 01:33:50.309
Emily: Oh, Jesus.
01:33:51.209 --> 01:33:51.769
So, sorry.
01:33:52.259 --> 01:33:53.639
Jeremy: least there's a podcast of that.
01:33:53.639 --> 01:33:56.679
I, I don't know how closely
the two relate, but yeah.
01:33:57.079 --> 01:33:59.569
Emily: I, I've only seen,
like I said, I've only seen
01:33:59.599 --> 01:34:02.109
the first season of dead end.
01:34:02.139 --> 01:34:05.359
And I don't know what happens
in the second season, but
01:34:05.364 --> 01:34:07.109
just a spoilers real quick.
01:34:07.619 --> 01:34:12.489
That design of, I guess it's an
angel maybe is so incredible.
01:34:12.549 --> 01:34:14.199
Like, it's so unique.
01:34:14.689 --> 01:34:15.529
Jeremy: You talking about fingers?
01:34:15.929 --> 01:34:17.849
Emily: maybe the, the
one that looks like a
01:34:17.909 --> 01:34:18.449
Alicia: A hand.
01:34:18.839 --> 01:34:19.409
Emily: no,
01:34:19.809 --> 01:34:20.319
no,
01:34:20.914 --> 01:34:21.454
Alicia: Oh, okay.
01:34:21.844 --> 01:34:24.484
Emily: the, the one that shows up
at the very end of the first season
01:34:24.934 --> 01:34:25.294
anyway.
01:34:25.694 --> 01:34:25.814
Jeremy: Hmm.
01:34:26.284 --> 01:34:26.574
Okay.
01:34:26.984 --> 01:34:27.249
Alicia: Yeah.
01:34:27.609 --> 01:34:28.029
Okay.
01:34:28.389 --> 01:34:32.009
Do you have any other things that you
would recommend if people like this
01:34:32.114 --> 01:34:32.534
Ben: I mean
01:34:32.619 --> 01:34:33.009
Alicia: check out?
01:34:33.399 --> 01:34:37.629
Ben: this is probably the lowest
hanging fruit that we've ever
01:34:37.629 --> 01:34:39.429
done for these recommendations.
01:34:39.429 --> 01:34:42.884
But I think we can all
agree on Gravity falls.
01:34:43.959 --> 01:34:45.619
Alicia: Yes, absolutely.
01:34:46.196 --> 01:34:49.616
Ben: I mean, I, I I mean, I could
feel the Gravity falls influence
01:34:49.616 --> 01:34:51.566
in like every inch of this show.
01:34:52.496 --> 01:34:56.926
Not, not in a bad way, just like,
but yeah, this is like, yeah,
01:34:56.926 --> 01:35:00.926
if you like this and you haven't
seen Gravity falls, Holy shit.
01:35:00.926 --> 01:35:02.486
Go watch Gravity falls.
01:35:02.726 --> 01:35:03.636
You are with yourself.
01:35:04.036 --> 01:35:04.246
Emily: Yeah.
01:35:04.246 --> 01:35:05.756
I feel, go ahead.
01:35:06.221 --> 01:35:07.301
Jeremy: I could do a list.
01:35:07.701 --> 01:35:09.691
I feel like there's a list here.
01:35:09.721 --> 01:35:14.181
'cause I, I feel like owl House is, to
me the, the most obvious one because
01:35:14.181 --> 01:35:17.071
it has a lot of the same scary stuff.
01:35:17.071 --> 01:35:19.231
Fun show queer characters.
01:35:20.161 --> 01:35:20.671
Yeah.
01:35:21.121 --> 01:35:24.701
You know, I think both of them
have a lot of the same D n A as
01:35:24.706 --> 01:35:30.561
Keo which is, you know, in a lot of
ways Owl House, but post-apocalyptic
01:35:30.561 --> 01:35:32.721
rather than magical World.
01:35:33.121 --> 01:35:35.651
oh, you were gonna say Keo, Alicia?
01:35:35.701 --> 01:35:35.821
Alicia: was,
01:35:36.211 --> 01:35:36.571
Jeremy: Yeah.
01:35:37.061 --> 01:35:37.481
Alicia: I have a
01:35:37.871 --> 01:35:43.051
Jeremy: And yeah, and I mean it also in,
in some ways, I think the, the character
01:35:43.051 --> 01:35:47.161
dynamics of, of the lead two characters,
especially in some ways, remind me of
01:35:47.161 --> 01:35:52.111
Star versus the forces of Evil where,
you know, you have the the, the female
01:35:52.111 --> 01:35:57.521
character who is the more, like, was
that also your secondary recommendation?
01:35:58.421 --> 01:35:58.571
You're
01:35:58.746 --> 01:35:59.886
Alicia: recommending things.
01:36:00.816 --> 01:36:04.026
I said recommend one thing
and you took three of mine.
01:36:04.416 --> 01:36:07.336
Jeremy: You wanna, you wanna recommend
the Ghost and Molly McGee or,
01:36:07.381 --> 01:36:07.921
Alicia: No,
01:36:08.341 --> 01:36:09.241
you recommend it.
01:36:09.631 --> 01:36:11.851
Jeremy: infinity Train is
another one that I feel
01:36:12.176 --> 01:36:13.316
Alicia: that's, you watch that
01:36:14.176 --> 01:36:15.016
Emily: I love, I, yeah.
01:36:15.136 --> 01:36:17.486
Alicia: and people can't find it anymore.
01:36:17.666 --> 01:36:18.536
That's the really sad
01:36:18.556 --> 01:36:19.426
Emily: oh, that's, yeah,
01:36:19.426 --> 01:36:22.836
Ben: Yo ho, ho and a
bottle of stolen shows.
01:36:23.766 --> 01:36:24.616
Emily: Yoho Ho and a bottle.
01:36:24.696 --> 01:36:25.296
A bit torrent.
01:36:25.696 --> 01:36:28.516
Ben: Hey, so I'm just throwing out
this out there for no particular
01:36:28.516 --> 01:36:33.133
reason, but uh, what series Id
make of that, what you will.
01:36:33.533 --> 01:36:34.153
Emily: Sounds good.
01:36:34.563 --> 01:36:35.623
Alicia: Emily, what would you recommend?
01:36:36.013 --> 01:36:37.693
Emily: Well, I mean al like the Al House
01:36:37.693 --> 01:36:40.453
and the Infinity Train and all
that kind of stuff, and you
01:36:40.453 --> 01:36:41.863
knows Stephen Universe in there.
01:36:41.863 --> 01:36:46.799
There's a, this new wave of cartoons
that are really, you know, I think
01:36:46.799 --> 01:36:52.444
adjacent to this and, and kind of
are, are lovely pairings with this to,
01:36:52.449 --> 01:36:54.724
to sound as Sonoma County as I can.
01:36:55.324 --> 01:37:00.774
But one thing I would recommend actually,
that is if you wanna go back to some
01:37:00.779 --> 01:37:09.494
roots of these programs check out real
Monsters and the Beetlejuice cartoon.
01:37:09.799 --> 01:37:10.019
Alicia: Aw,
01:37:10.574 --> 01:37:11.444
Emily: Um,
01:37:11.759 --> 01:37:11.979
Alicia: Iki?
01:37:12.554 --> 01:37:15.358
Emily: yeah, these cartoons
were nineties cartoons.
01:37:15.358 --> 01:37:16.228
They were ahead of their time.
01:37:16.228 --> 01:37:19.333
They're not as, deft at
dealing with these issues
01:37:19.733 --> 01:37:20.453
at all.
01:37:20.458 --> 01:37:25.423
However the character of Beetlejuice
and the character of Lydia Dietz do
01:37:25.423 --> 01:37:30.193
have some things to say about you
know, maybe not Neurodivergence because
01:37:30.193 --> 01:37:32.393
they're very much, well, more nuanced.
01:37:32.598 --> 01:37:33.078
Alicia: odd.
01:37:33.168 --> 01:37:33.408
Yeah,
01:37:33.533 --> 01:37:33.983
Emily: Yeah.
01:37:34.573 --> 01:37:40.483
Beetlejuice is a demon spoilers But the
fact that that Beetlejuice iss idea of
01:37:40.483 --> 01:37:47.993
hell is like militarized, cutesy things,
I think is something that deserves a
01:37:47.993 --> 01:37:51.093
little like consideration for the time.
01:37:51.573 --> 01:37:55.383
And, you know, the, the characterization
of the, the sort of spooky characters
01:37:55.383 --> 01:38:00.723
in those shows are so fun and weird
that I highly would recommend it I
01:38:00.723 --> 01:38:02.583
should say, I would highly recommend it.
01:38:02.983 --> 01:38:03.493
But yeah.
01:38:03.493 --> 01:38:05.348
So, check out Beetlejuice.
01:38:05.758 --> 01:38:07.088
Alicia: All right, well, cool.
01:38:07.298 --> 01:38:11.493
Well, my final recommendation would be
to watch Hilda, which is also on Netflix.
01:38:11.603 --> 01:38:15.573
Hilda is just also based on
a graphic novel, absolutely.
01:38:15.573 --> 01:38:23.833
Darling and Precious and has a very
similar dry humor that this show has as
01:38:23.833 --> 01:38:26.963
it's dealing with a main character who I.
01:38:27.748 --> 01:38:32.228
Has adventures with lots of
different creatures and, you know,
01:38:32.498 --> 01:38:34.388
develops their own found family.
01:38:34.928 --> 01:38:38.468
They also have a really,
really, really cool librarian.
01:38:38.868 --> 01:38:42.418
So yes, I absolutely
would recommend Hilda.
01:38:42.808 --> 01:38:44.308
Emily: I love Hilda.
01:38:45.068 --> 01:38:45.698
Alicia: Absolutely.
01:38:46.088 --> 01:38:46.328
Emily: Yeah.
01:38:46.328 --> 01:38:50.168
Whenever I feel like I need a, I
need a little shot of cottage core
01:38:50.568 --> 01:38:52.278
and I also need to stay awake.
01:38:52.678 --> 01:38:53.458
I watch Hilda.
01:38:53.458 --> 01:38:55.288
If I don't need to stay
awake, I watch Moin,
01:38:55.638 --> 01:38:55.968
Alicia: Yeah.
01:38:56.398 --> 01:38:59.338
And I feel like I
understand David like a lot.
01:38:59.398 --> 01:39:03.368
You know, David's a real, he's real
Arnold from the Magic School bus.
01:39:03.368 --> 01:39:03.848
Like
01:39:04.258 --> 01:39:05.308
Emily: absolutely.
01:39:05.378 --> 01:39:08.648
Alicia: have stayed home today and I
feel like I understand him so well.
01:39:09.048 --> 01:39:13.758
I also really love the episode where their
friend's room gets really messy and she's
01:39:13.758 --> 01:39:15.558
like, look at what happens to my room.
01:39:15.558 --> 01:39:18.828
And they watch it or like a video
of her all, all night and they're
01:39:18.833 --> 01:39:20.298
like, you just messed up your room.
01:39:20.298 --> 01:39:23.898
And she was like, yeah, I mess up my
room and it cleans itself every morning.
01:39:23.903 --> 01:39:24.648
Does it yours?
01:39:25.008 --> 01:39:25.968
And they were like, okay, wait.
01:39:25.998 --> 01:39:30.018
That's the weird thing is that
your room is cleaning itself and
01:39:30.038 --> 01:39:30.458
Emily: Yeah.
01:39:30.588 --> 01:39:31.488
Alicia: staying messy,
01:39:31.628 --> 01:39:31.778
Emily: Yeah.
01:39:31.778 --> 01:39:32.648
not that not that
01:39:32.658 --> 01:39:33.168
Alicia: brilliant.
01:39:33.458 --> 01:39:35.048
Emily: sleep messing your room.
01:39:36.803 --> 01:39:40.163
Because you know that, I can't remember
her name, that character's name.
01:39:40.563 --> 01:39:44.043
I'm blinking on everybody's name and
Hilda, other than Hilda and David,
01:39:44.443 --> 01:39:45.673
Jeremy: Woodman's a real one.
01:39:45.733 --> 01:39:46.573
That's all I know.
01:39:46.618 --> 01:39:46.828
Emily: one
01:39:46.958 --> 01:39:47.228
Alicia: what meant
01:39:47.248 --> 01:39:47.878
Emily: a real one.
01:39:48.458 --> 01:39:49.118
Alicia: Frida.
01:39:49.558 --> 01:39:50.158
Emily: Frida.
01:39:50.431 --> 01:39:55.001
Like I love that about Frida, that she can
mess a room at mess up her room at night
01:39:55.001 --> 01:39:56.741
because she definitely needs an outlet.
01:39:57.941 --> 01:40:01.301
She is a very powerful, powerful being.
01:40:01.331 --> 01:40:06.471
And, you know, life is not, is
is not powerful enough for her
01:40:06.476 --> 01:40:09.531
unless she has to do a few things
to make it more challenging.
01:40:09.531 --> 01:40:09.921
So
01:40:10.221 --> 01:40:12.656
Alicia: and the kid who uh, played Hilda.
01:40:13.346 --> 01:40:16.556
Um, I shouldn't say kid
because she's like 19 now.
01:40:16.556 --> 01:40:22.466
So she's an adult, but you may
recognize her as a Leona Mormon.
01:40:22.856 --> 01:40:24.116
Ben: Oh, Bella Ramsey.
01:40:25.046 --> 01:40:27.086
Emily: Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes.
01:40:27.176 --> 01:40:28.286
Ben: They play Hilda.
01:40:28.686 --> 01:40:28.926
Yes.
01:40:28.926 --> 01:40:30.636
Bella Ramsey uses they them pronouns.
01:40:31.046 --> 01:40:31.316
Alicia: Thank
01:40:31.516 --> 01:40:32.146
Emily: Oh, good to know.
01:40:32.556 --> 01:40:33.366
Alicia: I did not know that.
01:40:33.366 --> 01:40:34.386
I was trying to look it up really
01:40:34.616 --> 01:40:35.666
Ben: Yes, they are.
01:40:36.006 --> 01:40:38.606
Also Ellie and the last of us
01:40:39.686 --> 01:40:41.096
Emily: Oh, cool.
01:40:41.496 --> 01:40:44.276
Ben: on H B O, and they are
out in proud non-binary.
01:40:45.306 --> 01:40:45.936
Emily: Awesome.
01:40:45.986 --> 01:40:46.516
Alicia: Good for them.
01:40:46.906 --> 01:40:49.666
Emily: Do they do the singing
Voice of Hilda as well?
01:40:50.076 --> 01:40:51.306
Alicia: I don't know.
01:40:51.696 --> 01:40:55.066
Emily: Because when Hilda
sings as cute as, as cutest
01:40:55.466 --> 01:40:55.676
Ben: All
01:40:55.676 --> 01:40:56.066
right.
01:40:56.786 --> 01:40:57.896
But we should probably wrap up.
01:40:58.366 --> 01:40:59.136
Jeremy: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:40:59.156 --> 01:40:59.661
Alicia: should.
01:40:59.711 --> 01:41:03.581
I feel like we've been talking for a
while, but thanks y'all for watching TV
01:41:03.581 --> 01:41:08.141
with me and do we know what television
we are consuming for next week?
01:41:08.531 --> 01:41:08.751
Emily: No.
01:41:10.411 --> 01:41:10.891
Alicia: All right.
01:41:10.991 --> 01:41:14.021
I would suggest evil just
because I wanna rewatch it.
01:41:14.091 --> 01:41:15.351
But those episodes
01:41:15.371 --> 01:41:18.591
Ben: With, uh, yeah,
evil starring Luke Cage.
01:41:18.591 --> 01:41:18.951
Next
01:41:19.111 --> 01:41:20.191
Alicia: Exactly.
01:41:20.941 --> 01:41:22.141
Luke Cage and
01:41:22.521 --> 01:41:26.011
Ben: I will be calling him
Luke Cage, the whole episode.
01:41:26.161 --> 01:41:30.271
Emily: Is, is Evil the one with
like the Exfil, the Vatican
01:41:31.201 --> 01:41:32.191
Ben: Yeah,
01:41:32.321 --> 01:41:32.742
Alicia: yeah, yeah.
01:41:32.831 --> 01:41:35.751
And it's set in the good wife, good fight
01:41:36.151 --> 01:41:36.811
universe.
01:41:37.521 --> 01:41:39.681
Ben: That can't be true.
01:41:41.971 --> 01:41:42.181
Alicia: Yeah.
01:41:42.181 --> 01:41:45.721
He's also, he's also in the
Good Fight and the good wife.
01:41:45.751 --> 01:41:46.021
He
01:41:46.111 --> 01:41:47.101
He plays a
01:41:47.111 --> 01:41:47.976
Jeremy: different character in
01:41:48.231 --> 01:41:48.651
Ben: As the
01:41:48.651 --> 01:41:49.091
same can.
01:41:49.751 --> 01:41:49.971
Oh,
01:41:50.161 --> 01:41:52.441
Alicia: like they bring up Hi.
01:41:52.471 --> 01:41:55.381
They bring that up, like,
they're like, oh, this guy.
01:41:55.381 --> 01:41:58.771
And he is like, oh, I was out of
town for whenever we were doing this.
01:41:58.771 --> 01:42:01.721
Like, they kind of imply a
connection, but yeah, they're
01:42:01.721 --> 01:42:03.161
all set In the same universe.
01:42:03.161 --> 01:42:05.921
I was really hoping that Diane
would show up at some point on
01:42:06.271 --> 01:42:06.691
Ben: Gotcha.
01:42:07.231 --> 01:42:08.551
So next week, evil.
01:42:09.811 --> 01:42:10.291
Alicia: all right.
01:42:10.516 --> 01:42:12.226
I don't know how to end the show, so,
01:42:12.601 --> 01:42:13.581
Jeremy: you have to tell people that.
01:42:13.616 --> 01:42:15.746
Alicia: thank you all for, for coming.
01:42:15.796 --> 01:42:20.836
Thank you Jeremy Emily and Ben for
hanging out with me this evening.
01:42:21.086 --> 01:42:22.646
Where can people find you online?
01:42:23.036 --> 01:42:25.401
Ben: Hit me up on Twitter at Ben the Con
01:42:25.401 --> 01:42:26.961
or@benconcomics.com.
01:42:28.476 --> 01:42:28.806
Emily: I'm on.
01:42:28.806 --> 01:42:34.006
Twitter is Mega Moth and the website,
mag moth.net and mega moth on Patreon.
01:42:34.321 --> 01:42:34.951
Alicia: Awesome.
01:42:35.341 --> 01:42:37.461
Jeremy: I am on Twitter, but
you probably shouldn't be.
01:42:37.871 --> 01:42:38.021
Alicia: All
01:42:38.031 --> 01:42:38.611
Ben: That's true.
01:42:38.681 --> 01:42:39.341
Alicia: fantastic.
01:42:39.601 --> 01:42:40.251
Ben: Don't go on Twitter.
01:42:40.661 --> 01:42:41.291
Alicia: Okay.
01:42:41.291 --> 01:42:46.311
And as for me, you can find me on
Twitter at alicia Whitley where I
01:42:46.581 --> 01:42:49.281
mostly write about teaching stuff.
01:42:49.581 --> 01:42:50.931
And that's pretty much it.
01:42:51.451 --> 01:42:55.081
So thanks everyone for
joining me today and thank you
01:42:55.086 --> 01:42:56.941
audience at home for listening.
01:42:57.361 --> 01:42:59.851
And until next time, stay horrified.
