Arena Powered Cube First Impressions - #66

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Hello everyone, and welcome back to Powerful Nothing and Magic The Gathering Cube podcast.
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I'm the host, Dan, and as always, I'm joined by James James.
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We have some hot off the press news this week.
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How are you doing? I'm doing well.
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I'm doing well. Yeah.
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We're super topical this week. potentially.
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This might be the biggest news for cube like this year.
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And that news is, is that Howard Cube is coming to arena.
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The arena Power Cube has been announced last week.
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At time of recording, we've seen a bit of gameplay from LSV.
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Oh, shit. Chill and a couple of other.
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I think one of the pros like content creators and it's coming out really soon.
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And importantly, we've also had the full list spoiled.
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So we are planning on doing like a deep dive into the cube once we've actually got our hands on it, and once once, we're a bit more comfortable in terms of what's good and like like I do like a level of upset, like I said.
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But this is effectively, first impressions of the Arena Power Cube.
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We'll jump into all the details in the set, but I kind of like James initial, like, what are your initial thoughts on them bringing Power Cube to Arena?
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Yeah, I think it's really cool.
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Most of the I mean, from my point of view, I prefer drafting on arena versus netcode, but like, I don't massively care.
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And, but I think it's really cool because a whole bunch of people who have never cast any of these awesome old cards before will get to do that in a game of cube, and that's pretty awesome.
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Yeah, like o v Obi Arena kids have never been balanced before in their lives and they're not going to know what's happened, but hopefully they have fun as well.
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No, exactly.
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Like that's why I said that this is potentially the biggest news of the year, just because the amount of people that this opens cube up to, because it's not just from a play point of view, it's also this is what it's like.
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All the people who make stuff about magic are going to be talking about for a while. So, so it's it's it's audiences.
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It's just the amount cube is never going to have more eyes on it than now because of this.
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And it's a fantastic thing.
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And like for all its benefits of keeping cube alive, online, Mic Go is clunky as hell.
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Like MC go is a tool that we have to use, not one that we like using arena like it is a modern designed app, and now our favorite format is going to be represented on it at the highest level.
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And that's really exciting.
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Yeah for sure, for sure.
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And it's and I like it.
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I obviously there have been a bunch of cubes on arena before, but they've all been very much heavy.
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Yeah, there's some cards from the last five years. Right.
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And it is fundamentally a different thing when you get to play with cards from across the whole history of magic and show they've been like drip feeding in old cards bit by bit.
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But with this update, we've seen a huge amounts of, really iconic old cards just get dropped on TV, not all at once.
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And that's that's very good to see. Exactly.
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And so it's also like in terms of like the jump that you're talking about, kind of like we know that goal up until now was to get like pioneer onto arena.
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Like as far as we were aware before this, there was no plan to get like modern C or vintage, any of the any of the eternal formats where a lot of these cards sit.
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But they kind of we'll get into the under the house how they got to this point in the in the episode, but basically they just kind of shortcut it all of that and just programed what are the 540 cards we need to get a pilot cube.
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What is already here?
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What do we need to add to that?
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And that's what they spent like a couple of years doing.
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And now we have a power cube on arena.
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And that's awesome.
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But let's talk about the facts first.
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We will go over the list.
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But let's just talk about what actually is happening.
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For those unaware, this will be a limited time event to begin with.
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Basically, this is going to, as James mentioned, they do cubes on arena and effectively this is this season's version of the cube.
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So we've had like the Chromatic Cube on arena before.
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Now we have a power cube.
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So it starts at 8 a.m.
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Pacific on Tuesday, October 28th, and it lasts until 8 a.m.
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Pacific on Tuesday, November 18th.
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So that means it's up for three whole weeks.
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Everyone, you get three weeks of powered cube.
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It will be phantom draft like most cubes like.
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Yes, unfortunately you have to give the cards back, but it's like, wait, these cards I think are now on arena, so they are available in like, timeless formats, that kind of stuff.
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So like, Gladiator is the singleton version of Cain and it's the Canadian Highlander alternative.
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That's pretty hot getting all these cards.
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We like that.
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In terms of availability of drafts, there will be best of one available.
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So first to seven wins or three losses or classic best of three is available where you can play your three matches.
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It will cost 10,000 gold or 1500 gems or, one player draft token, which I'm not played around in.
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While I'm not massive sure what that is, but you can pay one of those in terms of real world money, you can buy 1600 gems.
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So just so 100 gems, more than the cost of a draft for $9.99, or 9.99 pounds, because they did not bother with the conversion, they just hate the UK players.
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There are deals available, obviously if you buy a large amount of gems, but I'm not there.
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Get into the arena economics of things.
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But that 9 to $10 mark to it, to be fair, is roughly what the vintage cube costs on MIT. Go.
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There are rewards, there are payouts.
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So the key number is if you want to chain these together, and if you want to go infinite, you need five wins for best of 1 or 3 wins for best of three.
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But they are scaled up to that.
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So you do kind of get some gems back for for wins, you will get more for five plus wins and that kind of stuff.
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James, initial thoughts on that?
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From my end, I think it compares comparatively to go, what are your thoughts there?
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Yeah, I think Vive is pretty similar.
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So I think for Mako, keys is two.
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One is is a wash.
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You get your entry feedback and then query.
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You got a bunch of stuff.
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I think value wise this is roughly equivalent, so much more relevant to, how long you'll be able to keep drafting for off of your initial, and quite fun.
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I have much fun to put in.
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It's going to be how soft or otherwise these queues are.
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The big difference between a winner and Mako is a winner has banks play.
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So obviously you start in bronze and if you win, you go up to silver and gold and mythic and, once when you're in mythic, the competition is very tough.
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When you're in bronze, it's really not, but it will only be ranked, I believe, for a best of one.
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So a best of three will be unranked.
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Going off of how normal a winner.
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Cuz, and as someone who I play intermittently on arena so often, like if I come to a new format, I'm starting in Barnes again.
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The bronze cubes will be very soft because, it will be people who do not really know how a lot of these cards are gonna play.
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I think if you're listening to this podcast, you'll probably know the cards better than most people.
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And Brunson will have a really big edge.
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As you rank up, you will it will get tougher.
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And in mythic, it's, people are really good in mythical.
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Like if what if you're, you know, top 100,000, even mythic.
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The competition's really, really tough.
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It's much tougher than anything.
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Your face on Mako.
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So it's something to bear in mind, I guess if you're really wanting to optimize value, you could like switch to best of three, which is unranked when you are no longer able to go positive.
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But I know playing against good people is kind of more fun.
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So I really like Fitz ranked personally.
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No, I think that's good.
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Like basically what I've learned from that is I've been rewarded for not logging into arena for the past year and a half.
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Yeah, you even when I got to.
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Exactly. Yeah.
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It'll be good for the first couple of videos.
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I might because I can get I can in theory do well that's what I get steamrolled by.
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But you're the.
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Yeah.
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So ever in Vons it's like most people are very haven't drafted a ton.
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But then you also run into people who are like haven't drafted in a couple of months.
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But do you know what factor.
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So it's it's always a mix.
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But yeah, in general I think most people will will be able to have a decent lack of them of bombs use.
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No. Exactly.
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So a bit of history on this is that, so there was a, dev diary.
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I will put all the links to all the articles we talk about in the show notes below.
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There's a dev diary released by Alex Werner.
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Where basically, what they this is this came from an internal hackathon on the sounds of it basically kind of started designing a couple of cards.
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You'll love this. James.
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The first card from from a list he had they programed into into arena was fast bond. That's a great choice.
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They found the date and then did Dax. Aiden.
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Oh. And then basically.
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And then basically asked his higher ups, like, is this something you want?
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And unsurprisingly, they said yes.
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So I think for about a year and a bit now, they've just been slowly plugging away, basically just they, they looked at the cards that were on arena that, that C powered Q play that there's about 215 of them, meaning that there was about 200 or so cards that they would need to program to get into their slot.
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So effectively they have programed 200 old cards specifically for this experience.
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That is a fair amount of work, but I personally think the rewards are probably going to be worth it.
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But for me anyway, I'm going to have a lovely time.
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But I'm glad that they put the effort in.
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And this is kind of like the this is got me excited come back to play arena.
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So with the let's you talk about the cubes.
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So some very high level initial impressions first of all so it's called the arena powered cube.
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That means it is powered like let's a little be around the bush.
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The full power nine is in here, so ring is in here.
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Mana crypt is in here. Minsk.
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Bamboo is in here.
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It's all there.
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The fixing and the manner is very good.
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So I'll run through the manor base.
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There's OG jewels.
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Fetch shock, triumph fast land, surveil lands, verges and creature lands.
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It doesn't look like they customize the lands.
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It's a it's a each color, each color pair has that full wedge of lands.
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We have a full cycle of talismans, which is quite nice.
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So just initially on that, James fixing we like you should be able to do three, four colors pretty easily.
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Yeah.
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Fixing is actually slightly more plentiful than in the Moto Cube.
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For example, seven Moto cube has six lands for each color path.
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The arena cube has seven, slightly made up four by the Moto Cube has the basic line cyclist a lot of things which, okay, which we have in a cube just not.
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But, yeah, still that it's more, it's more affecting as I think 103 land versus 92 might go cube.
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So yeah, it's, definitely potential to play a lot of colors.
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Well, one thing you mentioned there, which is worth touching on, you mentioned No Land Cyclist and Lord of the rings.
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That is because for this iteration, anyway, there are no universes beyond cards in this cube.
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That is a choice they made for this version of the cube.
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They have said that they could bring them in in the future.
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They've used this as like a way of differentiating it from the go vintage cube, but that's they're not that's not like a design choice.
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If this is how every version of this will be in the future.
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So, so yes.
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So there's no like Lord of the rings in here, as I mentioned.
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But like that also means there's no like one ring Bow Master or Forte Lingus.
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There is like through the open path versions, which is, I'm not gonna say weird, but like so like they're like the but like reprieve is in here, which is a Lord of the rings card.
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But because it was reprinted as a through the omen part version in Spider-Man, that gets in a little bit roundabout way oddness like some people were speculating beforehand, there might be like licensing deals involved in why they couldn't do it.
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I get an impression that it was a choice in the first iteration to not include universes beyond cards, partly because of the backlash that they've had recently.
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Yeah, this feels a little bit like saying to a certain section of the magic community where, sorry about the Spider-Man, they have a thing, but, but I'll be honest with you, it has kind of worked like, well, I am more excited by this.
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And like, we'll get like, I know I have for later, but I think it's relevant now.
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Is that what they've effectively done is like like the make up of this cube is like, it's all like it's all the modern horizons cards, like all the busted modernizes cards like one, two and three.
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They're all in here.
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But then where you would normally see a universe is beyond card, they've replaced it by effectively a card from the Mega Cube.
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There's been power crapped out from a few years ago.
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So like reset losses in this, like that kind of stuff like cards that I kind of like just been crapped out of the go.
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Vintage cube because you have enough universes beyond cards now, which like, like that isn't a universe they attack at university on meet being high power level cards.
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It's more there was a slot to fill.
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So I was like, well, what's the next one down?
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Oh, it's a slightly more boomer card, if that makes sense.
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And like there's some there's some cool inclusions in here that I'm very like for me it does make the cube so unique.
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But yeah, I am personally like I'm fine with with I'm fine with with this decision on the first iteration.
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And it's make sense, especially if you're trying to like the people that are trying to appeal to is you and me, James.
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And like a of people listening to this who maybe haven't played arena because or maybe hadn't played arena in a while because we're not that interested in standard.
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But that to say, like, yeah, sorry I rambled on that, but, what are your thoughts on on no you beyond cards in this?
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Yeah, I think it's fine.
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I mean, I'm, I wasn't, like, mad about having larger cards in my in vintage cubes, you know, that's not the best of universes.
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Beyond fit annoys me when.
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When the universes beyond annoys me.
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But equally, like, a lot of things.
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Have some cool cards, but there aren't any where I'm like, I'm really going to miss that being in, you know, like, there's a lot of powerful stuff, you know?
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Oh, man, that's one thing.
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But these, I think specifically with that Lord of the rings sets that is essentially a modern horizon set VI in terms of, the way it was designed straight into modern, and those cards because for push to make sense of like they're aiming for modern playability, they tend to not be powerful in a cool built around way.
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They're often just sort of that powerful, powerful.
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Right?
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Like you don't need to build around a one ring or a diamond.
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And you remember that just like super high V cards, which you put in your deck and they're great.
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And these cards to me, I like, feel like, you know, it's it's good having some of them.
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You don't want the whole cubes.
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Just be, be synergy cards.
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But, I think they're not like cards, but I really miss the experience of playing with them because they're kind of just good cards you put in your deck, you know?
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Know.
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Exactly. That's that.
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And also, I think this is something that they will play around like like I don't like they've they have put effort into making this list as it is.
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But the cards are on arena and like like it's not like but if Lord of the rings wasn't on arena.
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Yeah.
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Via the over commander decks, which is what stuff like for failing us this format.
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Nothing right. That makes sense. Yes.
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Yeah.
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And like, stuff like Final Fantasy isn't in even the Final Fantasy is only.
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It's so like, these are easy swaps.
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Like, they can just like it's basically changing a spreadsheet to add Zephyr off in.
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So it is stuff I think we will see in the future.
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Snapshot.
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I have one more question for you on the inverse.
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The one thing, so we're missing a bizarre with the fact that Q is that Picard?
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Do you think I can't spell?
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Yeah, I think this fad that does is bad, which it maybe is.
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Or is it because Arabian Nights is arguably universes beyond set I don't like I'm going to look at Skyfall because Skyfall does have a is universes beyond section.
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I know that technically.
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So technically.
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And I'm going by Skyfall here.
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So if I'm wrong, don't yell at me.
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The Dungeons and Dragons sets are universes beyond dimension.
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Bu is technically universes beyond because it's Dungeons and Dragons, not magic.
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Technically. Yeah.
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I feel like, wizards release some statements or something about that at some point and said it was like, we've decided it's not, and I yeah, I don't know, I wasn't paying attention, but like, I talk a lot of nonsense, but, yeah.
00:17:33.400 --> 00:17:37.920
Like on C, I think it's myths can be from DNA.
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I don't know, I feel like.
00:17:39.160 --> 00:17:41.599
Yeah. Oh, yes.
00:17:41.599 --> 00:17:50.759
So that they have dandy cards in, like, Bazaar of Baghdad is not coming up under my set of cards with the name bizarre.
00:17:50.759 --> 00:17:53.599
And cards some universes beyond.
00:17:53.599 --> 00:17:57.640
So canonically, Arabia is a magic.
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It's that it's not a magic floating right?
00:18:02.359 --> 00:18:03.400
It's public domain.
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It's fine. Don't worry about it.
00:18:05.359 --> 00:18:06.640
That's the bigger thing.
00:18:06.640 --> 00:18:12.680
But, so some of the things that aren't in and this is partly because they're not programed onto arena, I believe.
00:18:12.680 --> 00:18:15.680
Was there a reason for them is there's no monarch or initiative?
00:18:15.920 --> 00:18:19.119
From a gameplay point of view, I'm kind of fine with this.
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These are multiplayer mechanics.
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Arena is a multiplayer.
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They have no reason to, like, have that in their design guide for it.
00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:30.480
Like Palace Jailer I think is the only one I would actually miss.
00:18:30.480 --> 00:18:33.720
But like, that's not it's not the end of the world.
00:18:33.720 --> 00:18:38.119
There are the white four drops that we can run, which are fine, and having the initiative not be there.
00:18:38.119 --> 00:18:45.319
I think it's also fine from a fun gameplay point, just point of view and also then you have to ban it in like all your timeless formats as well.
00:18:45.319 --> 00:18:50.680
So kind of sad. Yeah, for sure. And it's yeah, I think that some of the base cards are fun.
00:18:50.680 --> 00:19:01.160
And also if you've been drafting of a cube with a menu, you know, if maybe had enough of, at this point, like I do need to sort of come and play passive in this fight.
00:19:01.160 --> 00:19:07.720
And it's also, I think, just a good thing to differentiate this cube a bit from like the our cube and stuff.
00:19:07.720 --> 00:19:17.359
Like, I think it's you're aiming to have the, the same feel, but but you don't want a carbon copy, right.
00:19:17.359 --> 00:19:24.119
And I think having stuff like not having all of them on a cards is a good way to do that.
00:19:24.160 --> 00:19:25.400
Yeah, I think that's quite reasonable.
00:19:25.400 --> 00:19:37.079
Some of the things aren't in before we jump into, like, the architects and packaging stuff is, there's no real creature based combo in there so that there's no possessed combo or twin.
00:19:37.359 --> 00:19:38.920
Again, I'm kind of fine with this.
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Like in the article, they specifically mention the, and it's the main reason they haven't included them.
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So there are two reasons why I have included them.
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One is a power level point of view in The Caged Twin doesn't really sound like much.
00:19:51.160 --> 00:19:53.720
And I was playing Vintage Cube anyway any more.
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And two there is the actual implementation of them in arena on mic go.
00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:15.759
Do you at least have the clock to so like you have to the game will end at some point, whereas in arena if they put twin combo on arena, all it would be is people trying to make a YouTube video.
00:20:15.759 --> 00:20:22.759
I thinking of what I would do, much like trying to make a YouTube video of just like how many clicks can I do and how many tokens can I get? Why?
00:20:22.799 --> 00:20:29.960
Because like you are taking game actions, the game like I don't know if you drop out at that point, but like effectively it's an infinite combo.
00:20:29.960 --> 00:20:32.599
But it's it's in paper.
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It's like, here's my combo.
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Do you concede?
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Cool on a digital client you have to actually go through the clicking.
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And that's probably a bit too much.
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And like for something that isn't there from a power level point of view doesn't seem worth including.
00:20:44.480 --> 00:20:46.799
So them not including them I think is fine.
00:20:46.799 --> 00:20:54.440
Like like if twin was like one of the best things still in mid go vintage cube, then I think they would have they would have made the effort for it.
00:20:54.440 --> 00:20:59.319
But because it's not there, it's not like it's a similar decision to monitor and and and an initiative.
00:20:59.319 --> 00:21:03.279
It's probably too problematic for like it being worth including basically.
00:21:04.400 --> 00:21:09.319
Yeah, it's a bit sad, but I think my friend stuff's very good anymore, unfortunately.
00:21:09.319 --> 00:21:18.079
Yeah, I don't, I don't I think it would be okay with the vape and stuff. It, it certainly used to be true on a v nerve.
00:21:18.079 --> 00:21:27.279
So it, it normally it doesn't vape you while you're taking game actions, but then after a certain length of time and then it would start to vape.
00:21:27.319 --> 00:21:41.720
Which I don't know if that becomes an issue if you're trying to play a Stormcloak and, I suspect at a certain point it does, and that is a thing that Moto does a lot better.
00:21:41.720 --> 00:21:42.039
Right?
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Because it's saying, you know, in your storm pack, your four turns before you went off were probably all very quick because you played upon the past.
00:21:52.640 --> 00:21:56.079
So it's fine, but you can have a ten minute turn, right?
00:21:56.160 --> 00:22:00.559
And a V net doesn't have that nuance.
00:22:00.559 --> 00:22:02.240
It it it does.
00:22:02.240 --> 00:22:04.880
It doesn't have a match clock, right.
00:22:04.880 --> 00:22:07.880
It has it has an event.
00:22:08.599 --> 00:22:11.240
So I hope I'm hoping it.
00:22:11.240 --> 00:22:19.440
So I imagine if you're doing, like, an easy underworld twitch, brain freeze kill, then there's probably plenty of time to get through it.
00:22:19.759 --> 00:22:22.319
But if I imagine.
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If it's a complicated.
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Yeah, well, I can tell you I'm not getting to just enough storm and I'm the pilot.
00:22:30.079 --> 00:22:37.480
Then I might be struggling, and I have, but the fact that that is a possibility is on arena is kind of awesome.
00:22:37.480 --> 00:22:40.480
Like, I can do this while I'm in the path.
00:22:40.880 --> 00:22:42.799
Oh, like on a train or.
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You know what I mean?
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Like, it's like the fact that this is on mobile now is kind of yeah, it's awesome.
00:22:47.279 --> 00:22:55.039
And some of the things we wanted to touch on, is currently there is no alchemy cards in the cube.
00:22:55.079 --> 00:22:57.160
For those unaware. Alchemy cards.
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I like the arena only cards that have rules that can only exist in the digital format.
00:23:02.480 --> 00:23:12.559
So there's ones that kind of like generates a card from out of thin, into play or into your hand, or there's like, it can keep track of information through zone.
00:23:12.559 --> 00:23:14.000
So like there's like effects.
00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:17.519
I kind of perpetually give a creature plus one plus one no matter where it goes in.
00:23:17.519 --> 00:23:25.279
Like if we go to the graveyard or your deck is, I think that kind of like we don't really work in or like there's an element of like trust in paper, so you can't enforce it.
00:23:25.279 --> 00:23:27.559
Whereas on a digital format you can.
00:23:27.559 --> 00:23:32.480
Some of the cards are cool and alchemy, a lot of them are kind of really annoying.
00:23:32.720 --> 00:23:51.440
There's like some like six sided cards which are just ballocks, I when this first got spoiled, my message to you, James, was I sent you the the article said, this looks rad and then said they better not ruin it by putting alchemy cards in there and they haven't.
00:23:51.759 --> 00:23:53.480
So that's cool. From from my end.
00:23:53.480 --> 00:24:04.519
Anyway, I'm quite biased because I really don't cards I it's really put me off playing like timeless or any kind of like eternal format sun arena, because you have to interact with them for the fact that I don't have to interact with them in this list.
00:24:04.519 --> 00:24:07.640
Anyway, I'm very happy about, what are your thoughts, James?
00:24:07.640 --> 00:24:10.319
Yeah, for sure. I, I do kind of agree.
00:24:10.319 --> 00:24:17.559
Where now can we came out I really wanted to like from I wanted to not be very cool like as franchise do that.
00:24:17.559 --> 00:24:18.880
That's exciting.
00:24:20.359 --> 00:24:22.160
You have alchemy cards.
00:24:22.160 --> 00:24:35.720
But there was just a lot of nonsense ones and a lot of ones where there's so much information that isn't on the cards, but you kind of feel like, yes, it makes you go and look up for information, you know?
00:24:35.720 --> 00:24:37.039
And that's the funny part.
00:24:37.039 --> 00:24:45.039
And, there's like spellbook cards which, like, can cost like a multitude of different spells that you may or may not know.
00:24:45.039 --> 00:24:46.720
And it's just, it's just a lot of.
00:24:46.720 --> 00:24:53.960
Yeah, faffing around for just like don't, don't want I'm like to cube is complicated anyway.
00:24:54.279 --> 00:24:55.759
Power cube is very complicated.
00:24:55.759 --> 00:25:00.480
You don't need that additional level of what does so-and-so's spellbook do?
00:25:01.279 --> 00:25:02.720
How does that work? Like exactly.
00:25:02.720 --> 00:25:13.640
And it's so last time I tried to play the regular Arena Cube, I think it was, it was maybe sort of like 10 or 15% alchemy cards.
00:25:13.640 --> 00:25:13.880
Right?
00:25:13.880 --> 00:25:17.240
It's not the whole thing, but they're all very good.
00:25:17.720 --> 00:25:19.319
The ones that make it into that cube.
00:25:19.319 --> 00:25:25.880
So they're very sort of loud, you know, it feels like it's more than a cube than it actually is.
00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:28.640
So yeah, I think, I think it's a pretty good decision.
00:25:28.640 --> 00:25:33.039
Like, obviously they can make cubes with alchemy cards like Go Ham.
00:25:33.079 --> 00:25:33.440
Oh, yes.
00:25:33.440 --> 00:25:44.720
I think having it not be part of this cube when you're trying to get to be experience of playing with a bunch of older cards, I think it would be a shame if it was all about, like, testing out.
00:25:44.759 --> 00:26:00.319
So I was about to like, think of instead alchemy for of I don't know, any of these cards are called so no so like like like like that, like some of the very early ones we thought, like, we almost considered running in paper like this oracle of the alpha of the one that puts the power now.
00:25:57.680 --> 00:26:00.319
So that's cool to me.
00:26:00.319 --> 00:26:02.079
Just had that one sick. Yeah.
00:26:02.079 --> 00:26:03.799
That was to be archive.
00:26:03.799 --> 00:26:10.880
But then which was like a I think it's like a heat archive type deal.
00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:16.240
But you draft the cards from the book and then the box of busted cards.
00:26:16.240 --> 00:26:21.640
And then I would like it just got to terms of what that did for, like when it had been out for.
00:26:21.640 --> 00:26:25.079
And then last time I went to play in the arena cuz they changed it.
00:26:25.200 --> 00:26:27.079
It just hit a different thing.
00:26:28.200 --> 00:26:32.759
It was complete nonsense that, that that really ruined their balance.
00:26:33.559 --> 00:26:36.160
Yeah. It's like oh, field cool one.
00:26:36.160 --> 00:26:42.559
Like there was, there's the, there's the lightning bolt one, which is the one that adds lightning bolts like, like so that that's the thing.
00:26:42.559 --> 00:26:48.559
Like, I don't think it's that I'm against alchemy cards per se, but it's just the multitude of them.
00:26:48.559 --> 00:26:56.839
And it's like, I think this decision combined with the universes beyond was it's because they're because they know that people like me effectively.
00:26:56.880 --> 00:26:58.240
I'm not gonna put this on you, James.
00:26:58.240 --> 00:27:01.759
I'm going to say, like me, I don't like alchemy that much and don't.
00:27:01.759 --> 00:27:09.279
And I'm have become tired with the extent of universes beyond I'm not anti anti universes beyond.
00:27:09.279 --> 00:27:10.880
I'm just tired at the extent of it.
00:27:10.880 --> 00:27:13.079
And the fact I have to interact with it.
00:27:13.079 --> 00:27:14.440
And that's kind of my problem with arenas.
00:27:14.440 --> 00:27:17.160
I have to interact with universes beyond without it.
00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:30.000
Like if I want to play it and I have to interact with alchemy cards if I want to play certain formats, the fact that they have not made that a thing with this on the initial, like my gut, is that they will add some of these later, and if it's a sprinkling, then it's fine.
00:27:30.319 --> 00:27:40.640
If it's just like a couple of cards here and there, it's fine because like Mikko has that like like but there's briefly mentioned that like the go cube has like Glee Max every now and then, that kind of stuff that has caused that kind of only really C play.
00:27:40.640 --> 00:27:48.079
And then they go vintage Q I'm fine with a sprinkling of cards in the arena cube or in the arena powered cube, if that's what I'm doing.
00:27:48.079 --> 00:27:53.839
But if it's like the next one has 40 alchemy cards, that will change my opinions on it.
00:27:53.839 --> 00:27:56.839
But for the time being, I'm kind of quite high on this list.
00:27:57.559 --> 00:27:59.519
But yeah, for sure.
00:27:57.559 --> 00:27:59.519
I think this looks cool.
00:27:59.519 --> 00:28:00.519
Yeah.
00:28:00.519 --> 00:28:19.440
When when I when you messaged me and said, oh, they put doing power quote arena, I was sort of imagining it going to be people like tossing out some alchemy cards or just like a bunch of powerful stuff from the last that's already on arena plus half Power nine, right?
00:28:19.839 --> 00:28:22.000
And at this, like, oh, it's really not that.
00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:25.200
It's, it's Power Cube with some differences.
00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:26.680
And that's cool.
00:28:26.680 --> 00:28:31.200
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it it really is powered like full powered cube.
00:28:31.200 --> 00:28:32.839
Just without universes beyond.
00:28:32.839 --> 00:28:34.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:28:34.119 --> 00:28:37.119
You got pretty much like most of the cool stuff you can do.
00:28:37.519 --> 00:28:41.480
I got a couple of missions which I think like would be cool to add at some point.
00:28:41.480 --> 00:28:47.119
Like there's no way through at that moment I feel like that was maybe a it's hard to implement thing.
00:28:47.119 --> 00:28:50.119
Similarly doomsday.
00:28:50.119 --> 00:28:58.400
But outside of that like pretty much all the sort of iconic Power Cube cards say no, no, definitely.
00:28:58.400 --> 00:29:00.640
One card they have added in.
00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:05.400
We talked about on a recent episode that we both have a bit of a phone's performance booster tutor that's incredibly hot.
00:29:05.400 --> 00:29:11.680
Booster tutor is single, black, instant open, a sealed magic booster pack.
00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:14.680
Reveal the cards and put one of them into your hand.
00:29:14.920 --> 00:29:17.359
This is a card that is incredibly cool.
00:29:17.359 --> 00:29:22.319
Originally from unhinged and reprinted in an unsanctioned I think I my own actually, which is kind of cool.
00:29:22.319 --> 00:29:23.960
Yeah, very, very cool card.
00:29:23.960 --> 00:29:27.519
In a powered cube, you're not gonna get any misses.
00:29:27.519 --> 00:29:28.599
Very cool.
00:29:28.599 --> 00:29:30.440
Anything to add a booster back to a game? Magic.
00:29:30.440 --> 00:29:34.200
It's something that people like and the Mega Cube doesn't have it.
00:29:34.400 --> 00:29:35.759
Arena cube does.
00:29:35.759 --> 00:29:37.799
That's a way of making it unique, this kind of thing.
00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:43.519
But like I'm not saying at clockwork librarian to the next one, but I'm kind of saying at Clockwork Library and just do it.
00:29:43.519 --> 00:29:44.720
That would be cool.
00:29:44.720 --> 00:29:47.359
Yeah, yeah, these are just useless, useless, useless.
00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:49.000
That card I'm really excited to try.
00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:51.640
They're still in that quest. Like, what's your on?
00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:55.279
PS2? So we'll find the find out.
00:29:55.279 --> 00:29:58.039
Gotta to believe. Yeah.
00:29:58.039 --> 00:30:03.559
No, this is the second, and it's cool that they actually implemented it as well.
00:30:03.559 --> 00:30:08.160
I feel like this must have been a, a design challenge, you know?
00:30:09.559 --> 00:30:19.240
But for the client point of view, I feel like clockwork librarian would be even more difficult because you're meant to draft it face up, like, as everyone has to see. Yeah, exactly.
00:30:19.240 --> 00:30:20.480
So that's probably the reason why they can't.
00:30:20.480 --> 00:30:22.279
So, so so yeah, yeah.
00:30:22.279 --> 00:30:24.799
Let's move over into archetypes and packages.
00:30:24.799 --> 00:30:32.119
But the but like we will touch on a few cards in here that there was a market of some packages where a very obvious card for a strategy isn't here.
00:30:32.480 --> 00:30:34.359
And they have given reasons why we'll jump into those.
00:30:34.359 --> 00:30:39.279
But jokingly in a queue we have our aggro decks, we have mono red and we have mono white.
00:30:39.440 --> 00:30:41.960
They both look very well supported.
00:30:41.960 --> 00:30:49.960
There's plenty of aggressive two ones, a one man, I kind of James, what stands out to you in for both mono red and mono white in this cube?
00:30:50.240 --> 00:30:58.680
Yeah, I actually think looking up the list for my color aggro might be a little bit more of a thing than it has been recently in Mecca Cube.
00:30:58.680 --> 00:31:00.440
And Mecca Cube.
00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:18.160
I mean, obviously you do still draft Michael Jackson, but you end up splashing a lot more and you tend to be a little bit less around about, one offs, you know, like especially mono that, it's just really not that much about paying that for two one anymore and that go cube by.
00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:23.400
And I think they're trying to push out a little bit here with, yeah.
00:31:23.400 --> 00:31:33.640
We've got stuff like Hyatt Claw, Kalon Swift Spear, Vive, it is clever, but there's enough where you can do something and but because we're missing things like for failing us.
00:31:33.640 --> 00:31:34.400
Right.
00:31:34.400 --> 00:31:38.519
That's, like, one less reason to go and be us.
00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:45.640
We're also missing a story, I'm assuming, because of experience counters being a bit of a faster program, actually.
00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:47.640
Yeah, that checks out. That checks out.
00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:54.799
Although we do have the, comment, which is not my favorite clock in the fact that that's why I call it.
00:31:54.799 --> 00:31:59.240
But it is a very powerful card, and it's a reason to, to to to combine the colors.
00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:00.920
Yeah.
00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:02.079
I see what you mean about red.
00:32:02.079 --> 00:32:04.759
Kind of like it doesn't doing shuffle all up and down the curves.
00:32:04.759 --> 00:32:09.759
We have our aggressive one drops, but like there is every good red three drop in here.
00:32:09.759 --> 00:32:11.599
Bonecrusher giant broadside detectors.
00:32:11.599 --> 00:32:14.920
Phoenix rabble master got lately.
00:32:14.920 --> 00:32:17.400
Like they're all here, James.
00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:20.000
Like there was also an ancient tomb in this cube.
00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:23.000
Like Chuck. Chunky red seemed pretty solid.
00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:25.559
I did spot some cards for you, James.
00:32:25.559 --> 00:32:27.319
I'm assuming you are.
00:32:27.319 --> 00:32:28.880
You're very here for parallax way.
00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:30.400
He's making his way to arena.
00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:32.119
Parallax effect.
00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:39.720
How about parallax? Wave is. Honestly, I feel like it took people way too long to start taking parallax wave.
00:32:39.759 --> 00:32:47.720
I appropriately, parallax wave is really, like, just overpowered, and, and black people are meant to be.
00:32:48.039 --> 00:32:53.359
Yeah, I feel like that's fine, just because cube has become so much more about creatures. Right.
00:32:53.359 --> 00:33:04.440
And because the creatures are so powerful games and and parallax wave has an effects on the board, but it's like unavailable for a couple of cents.
00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:06.160
Right?
00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:08.839
Not. We are big fans of Parallax Wave on this podcast.
00:33:08.839 --> 00:33:16.799
But then a classic archetype that we've talked about being power corrupts out of higher power level cubes.
00:33:16.799 --> 00:33:21.519
Mono green is here in a pretty like it's it's all here.
00:33:21.880 --> 00:33:24.200
Like we have our mana dorks.
00:33:21.880 --> 00:33:24.200
We have resellers.
00:33:24.200 --> 00:33:31.160
We have cradle, we have natural order, and we have Huth who has come out of the mic, go into the cube in the last couple of months.
00:33:31.640 --> 00:33:34.599
But, this is what I, what I was talking earlier about.
00:33:34.599 --> 00:33:42.559
Like when you remove some of the universe is beyond cards effectively that they are kind of going back to more classic archetypes.
00:33:42.559 --> 00:33:49.400
I feel, so mono green being here is a thing people think about when they think about powered cube.
00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:52.440
So for the first iteration, I think it makes sense for it to be here.
00:33:53.480 --> 00:33:57.319
My gut is it will die because everything else is still as powerful as it will be.
00:33:57.319 --> 00:33:59.720
I think monitoring will have the issues that it normally has.
00:33:59.720 --> 00:34:02.000
But, what do you think about monitoring here, James?
00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:04.440
Like it does all look here, doesn't it?
00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:06.680
Yes. They are certainly trying to make it a thing.
00:34:06.680 --> 00:34:09.760
I'm skeptical that you'll be multicolored.
00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:14.360
It's like I, I doubt you're actually meant to put the phallus in your deck that often.
00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:21.639
It doesn't mean that green is bad, but, I, I still don't believe in mana green that much, but you know what?
00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:24.400
Like, I think you could do.
00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:26.280
Okay. You know, you can.
00:34:26.280 --> 00:34:28.199
We talked about the cube, so be a bit soft.
00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:31.199
If monic means your going to have some hollow green, you'll get some more into that.
00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:37.599
But I doubt it's going to be like the most winning of, of archetypes for But yeah.
00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:38.800
No, they have leaned into it.
00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:46.400
But one design criticism I have looking at the, the green cards they've added, they've got also one mana accelerants.
00:34:46.400 --> 00:34:46.639
Right.
00:34:46.639 --> 00:34:54.000
Including utopias for the although that you put in a fast net, perhaps an extra color, an extra mana.
00:34:54.159 --> 00:34:59.400
If you're putting in Utopia full, I really want to have one mana elf.
00:34:59.440 --> 00:35:01.880
The other elf, one that untap some forest.
00:35:01.880 --> 00:35:03.079
That's such a set combo.
00:35:03.079 --> 00:35:06.559
You go like ten one and fell ten to Utopia.
00:35:06.559 --> 00:35:14.960
Full plus four drop on certainty because you go, all the forest, clap it for two mana on top picks up happens to mana.
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:19.159
Like, I really like having that little bit of synergy between your pieces.
00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:20.119
I think that's really cool.
00:35:20.119 --> 00:35:26.360
So I feel like that's that's one I would add if I was, tweaking skew, but yeah, no green.
00:35:26.400 --> 00:35:27.920
The green vamp stuff looks solid.
00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:34.000
And then a very deep archetype in this game because it's about game.
00:35:34.239 --> 00:35:37.119
Blue X artifacts.
00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:41.840
I'm assuming is going to be like a gris gris SS or like an Astbury type of build.
00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:43.679
I just because the fixing is quite good.
00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:47.119
But, all of this stuff is here.
00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:58.000
We have stuff like as, Chrono Seed shot, Kappa Cannonier as our payoffs, and then all the dumb broken artifacts that you get from about cube kind of games are the ones that kind of stand out to you.
00:35:58.000 --> 00:35:59.920
Just from a power level point of view.
00:35:59.920 --> 00:36:02.639
Yeah, this is basically all the busses stuff you'd expect.
00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:05.039
There's Academy and everything everywhere.
00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:32.920
Vive bathe God as deep as putting in like the candle of to to untap here Academy and the expedition map to go and find that so I mean, yeah, it Academy is definitely a card where if you see it early, you should take it and go for it because this it's archetype is just on a different level, one that has access to that academy and lets you do the nice broken things which you just aren't available to you.
00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:33.639
Otherwise.
00:36:33.639 --> 00:36:38.679
But yeah, outside of that, the the blue artifact stuff.
00:36:38.679 --> 00:36:39.440
Oh looks great.
00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:42.079
I expect it to play really well, as always, does you?
00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:45.559
You've got you've got all the pieces you need to fish off.
00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:50.599
I like the the end stone as a new big artifacts.
00:36:50.599 --> 00:36:51.400
Five added.
00:36:51.400 --> 00:37:01.719
That's for one where, but when you play a land or cast is valued for a car to end up getting of your end step, your life vessel becomes half your source.
00:37:01.719 --> 00:37:03.440
Starting life cycle.
00:37:01.719 --> 00:37:03.440
I think that cars cool.
00:37:03.440 --> 00:37:06.039
I don't know if it's actually good enough, but I do think it's cool.
00:37:06.039 --> 00:37:13.400
And, and so to play with it, you know, I think in this game like it, I think it makes sense, especially because it just came from the last set.
00:37:13.400 --> 00:37:28.039
So it's own arena, and it is a big thing that you can tinker into play because Tinker is here and Stone maybe not the like is a decent thing to tinker in, but we also have things like portal to for Xia, Sundering Titan.
00:37:28.039 --> 00:37:32.360
But it's just so, that Tinker is a hell of a magic card.
00:37:32.360 --> 00:37:36.400
Games like, Are we looking forward to tinkering people on arena?
00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:37.679
Oh yeah.
00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:44.480
And because Tinker set the, Tinker is definitely in the in the category of the kids haven't seen this before.
00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:47.000
Like, oh, yeah.
00:37:47.000 --> 00:37:56.239
In a similar vein, we have flash, which is here, which is another, like again, they are not holding back in terms of real like flashes here.
00:37:56.239 --> 00:38:01.760
And we have our pilots, we have worlds flying where, we have things like Woodville Primus, you have triplicate Titan, some redundancy.
00:38:01.760 --> 00:38:06.000
Flash also looks pretty strong when, like, it's the full deck.
00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:06.559
It's all here.
00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:07.880
Yeah.
00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:08.719
Flashes. Busted.
00:38:08.719 --> 00:38:10.199
Five flashes.
00:38:10.199 --> 00:38:15.119
One for, It's one of the easiest ways to do something.
00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:15.679
Busted.
00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:20.719
And these sorts of cubes, like, other decks, can do equally broken things.
00:38:20.719 --> 00:38:24.000
But flash just needs you to have two cards in your hand.
00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:26.639
A flash from a target, and two mana.
00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:27.840
That is all you need.
00:38:27.840 --> 00:38:41.239
And you can do it at instant speed, so it's really hard to, Yeah, it's try and hold up counter magic for it or whatever, you know, get in there before the discard spells often.
00:38:42.920 --> 00:38:44.000
Flash is messed up.
00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:50.519
If you see it early, you take out, and it's worth speculating on the best flash targets.
00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:52.079
Yeah, right.
00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:53.119
Very strong magic card.
00:38:53.119 --> 00:38:58.039
And another way of cheating into things into play is the old classic Re-Animator.
00:38:58.440 --> 00:39:00.239
The whole deck is here.
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:04.440
Like, target are things like arcane grows all around and attracts, like, grand unifier.
00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:07.119
They're all here.
00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:10.280
Like, those are the best pay offs or Re-Animator.
00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:14.000
We have reanimate possessed, animate dead necromancy.
00:39:14.440 --> 00:39:16.400
I think life death is in as well.
00:39:16.400 --> 00:39:19.639
Like in tomb as in, like, again, this.
00:39:19.880 --> 00:39:21.000
The whole package is there.
00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:23.920
If you want to buy reanimate, you really can.
00:39:23.920 --> 00:39:25.400
It's all there.
00:39:25.400 --> 00:39:27.079
Oh, yeah, for sure. And you've got the.
00:39:27.079 --> 00:39:28.000
And you've got the cheetahs.
00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:28.840
Go and find out.
00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:31.840
So with, that.
00:39:31.840 --> 00:39:32.119
Yeah.
00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:39.679
You can if, if the animation is open, it is you could you can build very messed up the animated that's in these cubes.
00:39:39.679 --> 00:39:51.599
I think honestly, those of the, when you have free animator all to yourself and these sorts of power cubes, those are the decks that feel like just the easiest seal, right?
00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:54.360
Like. Yeah. Just like not playing magic.
00:39:54.360 --> 00:39:55.039
I'm the same way.
00:39:55.039 --> 00:40:03.199
But people are like, you know, I appreciate that you put some creatures in your act and some, some top, some manner and all of that lovely stuff.
00:40:03.719 --> 00:40:05.440
I'm just going to play an H often.
00:40:05.440 --> 00:40:10.239
I am the second third of every single game, and there's not that much you can do about it. And just kill.
00:40:10.239 --> 00:40:10.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:40:11.920 --> 00:40:13.719
No. Exactly.
00:40:13.719 --> 00:40:18.679
Actually, a quick note on Re-Animator is that all of the regular Re-Animator stuff is in.
00:40:18.800 --> 00:40:25.639
However, none of the instant speed reanimation effects are in, so no Shallow Grave or the other one or corpse dance.
00:40:26.360 --> 00:40:27.320
They're not in.
00:40:27.320 --> 00:40:40.480
Primarily, they're not in, because they actually both care about graveyard order matters, which is not something they, they have the wants to program into a very into basically to three fair.
00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:42.679
That sounds like a great choice.
00:40:42.679 --> 00:40:43.159
Yeah.
00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:46.199
Like like like like it is something that yeah, they could make it work.
00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:53.840
But again, you the regular Re-Animator effects are fine, but those are more like a flavor of Re-Animator.
00:40:53.840 --> 00:40:58.159
And you don't need him for the stuff again, like, I, I'm in the future, but at the moment they're not.
00:40:58.159 --> 00:41:00.079
Yeah, well, I'm on for next year's hackathon.
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:07.880
I guess that, on the vein of doing broken stuff, which that's actually most of my notes for the next few minutes.
00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:10.280
Sneak in show is in, sneak attack is in.
00:41:10.280 --> 00:41:10.920
Show and tell is in.
00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:17.599
They use a lot of the same cards as Re-Animator, but also we have emerald aliens, torn, and a bunch of other big old draws.
00:41:17.920 --> 00:41:19.039
A note on this deck.
00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:23.599
Similarly to innocent speed, reanimation effects, Through the breach is not in.
00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:27.599
And that's because it also has the text splice onto arcane.
00:41:28.039 --> 00:41:30.559
Which is another mechanic.
00:41:30.559 --> 00:41:32.920
They're not programing on to arena.
00:41:32.920 --> 00:41:33.800
Kind of reasonable.
00:41:33.800 --> 00:41:40.639
Now I think this is nonsense, actually, so that, plenty of mechanics aren't any other arcane spells.
00:41:40.639 --> 00:41:45.079
And I keep, it was cultivate on arena.
00:41:45.760 --> 00:41:47.880
There's no kingdom is reach. You don't reach.
00:41:48.880 --> 00:41:51.199
No one's ever slice that spell on.
00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:52.280
And it's fine.
00:41:52.280 --> 00:41:55.039
Just it's flavor time. It's not.
00:41:55.039 --> 00:42:00.760
I guess you could know, but in theory, if you play it in a format where there's multiples even including one.
00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:01.639
Yeah.
00:42:01.639 --> 00:42:04.320
Just place on to where I can, like, put it in the cube.
00:42:04.320 --> 00:42:06.119
Don't let people craft it.
00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:08.719
Just build Eureka instead.
00:42:08.719 --> 00:42:12.480
That'd be more fun. Eureka! That's at that point. Let's do that.
00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:16.159
Eureka and double check is not positive.
00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:17.320
Is not in the cave.
00:42:17.320 --> 00:42:20.000
No shame.
00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:22.840
We also have channel, though.
00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:23.679
You don't get Eureka.
00:42:23.679 --> 00:42:26.320
You do get channel.
00:42:23.679 --> 00:42:26.320
Channel is incredibly messed up.
00:42:26.320 --> 00:42:32.599
Also probably the easiest card to program because it's just life becomes manner that seems quite straightforward.
00:42:33.199 --> 00:42:33.440
Yeah.
00:42:33.440 --> 00:42:35.239
We know channel is a very dark magic card.
00:42:35.239 --> 00:42:37.159
That's where the big old draws come in.
00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:40.280
Looking pretty solid there.
00:42:40.280 --> 00:42:43.360
There's no big green, there's pest infestation in green.
00:42:43.360 --> 00:42:44.039
Something. It's actually.
00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:46.840
So I guess that's how you can make that deck work.
00:42:46.840 --> 00:42:47.360
But that's.
00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:48.679
So let me see if I.
00:42:48.679 --> 00:42:52.440
And you've got, exactly, like, puzzle to fracture that stuff.
00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:59.320
So quick channel out. Exactly. Let's jump into some more combo we type stuff now.
00:42:59.320 --> 00:43:03.440
I was surprised when I saw this, but the underworld breached lines.
00:43:03.440 --> 00:43:06.559
I diamond brain freeze combination is in here.
00:43:06.920 --> 00:43:09.920
That's incredibly messed up, James.
00:43:11.039 --> 00:43:12.800
This is the one that's going to kill the kids.
00:43:12.800 --> 00:43:16.159
Basically, this is the one that's going to muck up all the new players.
00:43:16.159 --> 00:43:19.320
This is what I'm it's it's my hot take on this.
00:43:19.320 --> 00:43:26.440
I feel like storms when we, you know, if you look at the stats for what people went where I bet storms when. Right.
00:43:26.440 --> 00:43:36.960
And the first three weeks since the this cube is going to be like 15%, you know, people are going to be like, storm I've heard about it.
00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:41.239
I think we just, and it's it's going to go really badly.
00:43:41.800 --> 00:43:44.960
But yeah, no, you've got to have stone, then you've got to have stone.
00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:54.599
Then I think the problem is, if you don't include the brain freeze stuff, then all the combo stuff is just putting a giant creature in play, which is, Exactly.
00:43:54.639 --> 00:43:55.400
Yeah, yeah.
00:43:55.400 --> 00:43:57.800
No, you need for, you need to benefit stuff.
00:43:57.800 --> 00:43:58.920
And I'm very glad I said.
00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:00.800
Yeah.
00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:09.280
So, we do have the other part of the stone package, the more traditional dark ritual seething stone into Gorgon as well into tendrils.
00:44:09.920 --> 00:44:14.000
I think that has generally been power crept out of most powerful games.
00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:16.239
But it is cool.
00:44:16.239 --> 00:44:17.280
It is vibe. So I'm.
00:44:17.280 --> 00:44:24.519
I am glad they even, this is more, I think, where you're going with the look. I built a storm deck.
00:44:24.519 --> 00:44:28.440
Why did I go, like oh three immediately, that kind of thing.
00:44:28.440 --> 00:44:30.159
Yeah, exactly.
00:44:30.159 --> 00:44:36.039
Yeah. If you have like actual underworld, then freeze time and then it's fine.
00:44:36.039 --> 00:44:40.480
You can that's other doesn't really feel like a storm to me.
00:44:40.480 --> 00:44:43.000
Like I don't see it as like, you know, actually winning the cards.
00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:45.880
It's think it's a three card combo, not a storm. Exact. Yeah.
00:44:47.320 --> 00:44:48.719
But, Yeah.
00:44:48.719 --> 00:44:49.400
Keep the ball rolling.
00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:51.400
We also we have despite space getting coveted jewel.
00:44:51.400 --> 00:44:57.480
There's a nice little combination we have do with like lava spare boots, bristly build kind of stuff.
00:44:57.480 --> 00:44:59.679
That's pretty hot.
00:44:59.679 --> 00:45:06.920
Oh, one nice one that you told me about for a while ago, but the Nissa who shakes the world and spring out and then to go combo that's in.
00:45:06.920 --> 00:45:09.679
That's pretty rad. I'm glad to see that.
00:45:09.679 --> 00:45:11.280
Yeah. Yeah, that's a cool one.
00:45:11.280 --> 00:45:16.079
It's, I think it's more like it's in this an accidental combo, right?
00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:21.679
It's actually build your deck and be like, right, I'm going to combo off right there.
00:45:21.679 --> 00:45:24.960
Then I think I'd like to go, but when it comes off it's really sick and I wait.
00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:27.679
I'm looking forward to the screenshot of went on to me.
00:45:27.679 --> 00:45:29.199
Yeah. To me. Yeah.
00:45:29.199 --> 00:45:31.840
This is the one that crashes the client on day one.
00:45:31.840 --> 00:45:32.320
Yeah yeah yeah.
00:45:34.840 --> 00:45:46.840
But yeah, like there's also a very deep, very cool looking lens that I again, I touched on this, but James, I think you're going to be a fan of this one because again it's all here like fast ball and exploration.
00:45:46.840 --> 00:45:48.159
The play extra lands.
00:45:48.159 --> 00:45:49.679
We have strip mine Crucible as well.
00:45:49.679 --> 00:45:51.000
So do it again.
00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:53.960
We have zero no one to tinier to make a big board state.
00:45:53.960 --> 00:45:56.960
We have the dark depths that spin stage rotation stuff.
00:45:57.000 --> 00:45:58.280
Yeah.
00:45:58.280 --> 00:46:00.679
We also have Ice Explorer, which is kind of hot.
00:46:00.679 --> 00:46:04.400
I think there's only two currently.
00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:06.800
Oh, no. No. Damn. Roman. Okay, okay.
00:46:06.800 --> 00:46:08.119
Round of excavators still. And so. Yeah.
00:46:08.119 --> 00:46:11.800
So so there are three crucible of world effects in here, which is pretty good.
00:46:11.800 --> 00:46:16.159
But if this lands, again this looks pretty optimal.
00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:17.960
James, would you agree?
00:46:17.960 --> 00:46:19.159
Yeah for sure. For sure.
00:46:19.159 --> 00:46:25.559
You've got there's a lot of different ways to fight back for you to be run the Crucible.
00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:26.960
It'll strip mine you out.
00:46:26.960 --> 00:46:31.880
Stuff you can do fast on seven or infinite, like infinite mana stuff.
00:46:31.880 --> 00:46:34.880
That's great.
00:46:31.880 --> 00:46:34.880
I do have a dark depth stuff.
00:46:34.960 --> 00:46:38.239
One if the angles fill out the stat crunch.
00:46:38.239 --> 00:46:43.320
I've already come up on the, Titania sack all my lands.
00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:45.559
I have 20 power sort of thing. Right?
00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:50.239
You just, like, have a titanium and you cache it and your lands for power.
00:46:50.239 --> 00:46:52.239
And most people can't beat that.
00:46:53.199 --> 00:46:53.639
Yeah. No.
00:46:53.639 --> 00:46:59.079
Like lances and like, sprinkle on to make, big games for that deck.
00:46:59.079 --> 00:47:05.119
But, Yeah, lances lenses are very fun oxide from these cubes.
00:47:05.119 --> 00:47:08.239
It's, and it has a lot of overlap with the evergreen archetypes.
00:47:08.239 --> 00:47:11.039
Right. Like, Lance and not the land stuff.
00:47:11.039 --> 00:47:17.199
And the nasty stuff actually plays quite well together because you have all of the, nonsense it's taken out to.
00:47:18.079 --> 00:47:19.400
And yeah, I'm related to that as well.
00:47:19.400 --> 00:47:23.599
We also have the like domain or plus maybe color deck.
00:47:23.599 --> 00:47:31.400
So along with the land stuff we have like, that locus of creation, tribal flames, just kind of hot, like ley line, binding field, the field of the dead and Douglas light.
00:47:31.880 --> 00:47:34.840
That's a fun deck, I think.
00:47:34.840 --> 00:47:35.960
It's not.
00:47:35.960 --> 00:47:39.039
It's not the most powerful, but it is very cool.
00:47:39.039 --> 00:47:43.280
And with all the fixing, it might be better in this cube than we've seen in other places.
00:47:43.880 --> 00:47:44.119
Yeah.
00:47:44.119 --> 00:48:07.280
I think the weird thing with the focal attack thing is there's a bunch of cards which tell you for that, for that deck, like the tribal science and unveil math and stuff, and you can play them in that deck and they will be fine, but they're actually not for reasons get into that deck, reasons to get into that deck, stuff like it's just I have busted cards and a wide variety of colors, and I would like to play all of them.
00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:11.639
And then stuff like the lay that I'm finding with tribal flames.
00:48:11.639 --> 00:48:17.079
I just saw a nice bonus that you get for free that you're not meant to be like, oh, look at this.
00:48:17.079 --> 00:48:17.400
I'm not.
00:48:17.400 --> 00:48:20.400
If I'm going to draft for next time.
00:48:21.519 --> 00:48:22.920
No, that tracks that make sense.
00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:30.440
Another deck that I have is incredibly busted, and I think the majority of it is here is the wheels deck.
00:48:31.320 --> 00:48:31.880
So we have time.
00:48:31.880 --> 00:48:34.880
Twister. Wheel of fortune. Echo of eons.
00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:37.679
We have time. Spiral on as well.
00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:38.559
Okay. Let's go.
00:48:38.559 --> 00:48:44.079
And also, we have shield druid Breacher Narcisse Lee of old as our payoffs.
00:48:44.719 --> 00:48:53.360
So, no, Beau master does have this, like, a little bit, but shield Druid Wheel of Fortune is still a perfectly solid way of winning a game of magic.
00:48:55.199 --> 00:48:55.920
Yeah, for sure.
00:48:55.920 --> 00:48:58.920
It overlaps with the sword and stuff, right?
00:48:59.840 --> 00:49:00.039
Yeah.
00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:04.000
I like four wheel stack, and I don't see it, like, permanent, obviously.
00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:11.440
Like, it would be better if there was bow man in the cube, but but wheels that didn't actually get bowmen very often because it's such a bust.
00:49:11.440 --> 00:49:14.239
Of course, I would take it and try and smash it.
00:49:14.239 --> 00:49:19.039
So, yeah, it often didn't make its way to the wheels player.
00:49:19.039 --> 00:49:23.239
So it's certainly not like essential aspects of work and B5 fail, you know.
00:49:24.960 --> 00:49:25.440
No, definitely.
00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:34.039
That tracks, we also have what I think is kind of what Jund is doing, is like the delirium deck.
00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:41.360
So we have like, it's like the survival of the fittest recurring knight, into our all of our gifts style of packages.
00:49:42.480 --> 00:49:48.480
I think this kind of what John is doing, like, we have a wrist.
00:49:48.480 --> 00:49:52.239
We don't have a whole pack, unfortunately.
00:49:52.519 --> 00:49:55.519
So I think this one's actually a little light.
00:49:55.960 --> 00:49:58.280
Like there's no venge drawing.
00:49:58.280 --> 00:50:06.159
Maybe it's just me being me, but, like, I think this, like, is incredibly cool, but I think it is lacking a couple of key bits anyway.
00:50:06.440 --> 00:50:13.760
Yeah, I always love that, Hogan, because like, it's you don't get to play it very often because it's quite narrow, but it's so cool.
00:50:14.840 --> 00:50:20.159
And you look at this Cloak of gold card, it's like, I don't even know what a moth would draw tonight.
00:50:20.159 --> 00:50:21.079
But what?
00:50:21.079 --> 00:50:21.960
Why does it have?
00:50:21.960 --> 00:50:24.920
And why don't I just like.
00:50:24.920 --> 00:50:26.360
Like I hate other men.
00:50:26.360 --> 00:50:31.519
I have to, like, find. I buy you two cards and play the free two.
00:50:31.519 --> 00:50:33.440
That's all. The other arena.
00:50:33.440 --> 00:51:01.920
Give me a joke. Actually, I can see the thing with this, with this kind of arc, that specifically where it does require a lot of unique bits, like, you know, they don't want to program like from the loam onto arena or dredge or anything like that, like, I would like them to give us tragic outs, but, yeah, yeah, of all of them, I think this is the only archetype we've mentioned that kind of a bit.
00:51:01.920 --> 00:51:04.920
Not all the way there right now, anyway.
00:51:05.239 --> 00:51:05.480
Yeah.
00:51:05.480 --> 00:51:12.039
I think it's always the challenge with this, green bat, graveyard deck and power cubes.
00:51:12.079 --> 00:51:20.920
I tried to get it to work in Meco cube a few times, and, you know, you can have good decks that come together and do some powerful stuff.
00:51:21.760 --> 00:51:30.800
But on aggregate, like the average Queens graveyard attack is just very hard to make it, strong enough to stand up to a piece of work sites.
00:51:31.840 --> 00:51:46.760
It's it's kind of always the challenge with Power Cube in general, but because we have a level of the best stuff types is so high, there just aren't cards you can add to make it at the Under Delirium deck.
00:51:46.760 --> 00:51:50.519
As good as the blue artifact stack, right?
00:51:50.599 --> 00:51:59.000
There are just too many busted cards in that blue artifact stack and the Gen delirium cards, while stack. Cool.
00:51:59.000 --> 00:52:00.639
Can do some interesting things.
00:52:00.639 --> 00:52:02.199
Able to stand up for it.
00:52:02.199 --> 00:52:05.199
You know, you can't.
00:52:05.639 --> 00:52:10.880
Yeah, there's not, like, the, the the as, the Halloween Academy.
00:52:10.880 --> 00:52:26.880
These, like, very powerful Beltran cards on there. So, graveyard stuff as much and and often the best graveyard techs end up just being a more streamlined reanimate a thing than a, value survival thing.
00:52:27.719 --> 00:52:29.840
But the survival stuff is really cool, and I'm glad it.
00:52:29.840 --> 00:52:33.840
And it makes cubes way more replayable when that sort of knee shock I.
00:52:33.840 --> 00:52:39.039
But if there's one card that I'm excited to see on a is just survival of the fittest, I love that card.
00:52:39.039 --> 00:52:40.480
Glad it's a.
00:52:40.480 --> 00:52:42.760
That will definitely open up some cool things.
00:52:42.760 --> 00:52:47.239
Anyway, we have a couple more to get through.
00:52:47.239 --> 00:52:51.039
Resource control or like, Expo control.
00:52:51.079 --> 00:52:53.000
Access control looks pretty good and all.
00:52:53.000 --> 00:52:58.119
There, there is all the all the good removal spells, all the good counter magic.
00:52:58.119 --> 00:53:00.719
Like force of world.
00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:02.440
Like mana drain is here.
00:53:02.440 --> 00:53:04.039
Drains like that seems pretty solid.
00:53:04.039 --> 00:53:09.320
Like you mentioned, balance going to be a great, way of pulling back some games.
00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:16.119
We have cause, like, fractured identity and form and Shinobi along with Fire Covenant as well, which is great at killing things.
00:53:16.119 --> 00:53:20.039
Just the control deck doesn't look pretty solid in this, to be honest with you.
00:53:20.039 --> 00:53:21.400
Just. It's just got all the bits.
00:53:21.400 --> 00:53:24.920
And, like, if you can make the manor work, you can really take control of a game.
00:53:24.920 --> 00:53:25.320
I think.
00:53:26.559 --> 00:53:27.800
Yeah, for sure, for sure.
00:53:27.800 --> 00:53:33.679
People probably don't need me to tell them all a of of all the powerful blue cards in a vintage cube.
00:53:33.679 --> 00:53:45.239
But, consult the, charts, I think has been a really nice addition to this stack, which is, maybe flying under some people's radars a little bit at speed.
00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:50.480
One a blue look at the top ace cards you live through, X number of lands you control.
00:53:47.760 --> 00:53:52.039
They can kick it for that skill on the blue.
00:53:52.039 --> 00:53:53.400
They put one of them into your hand.
00:53:53.400 --> 00:53:55.840
But if you kick people to into your hand.
00:53:55.840 --> 00:54:04.039
So it's a nice sort of split card between sort of a base slam, a better impulse than if you kick ass.
00:54:04.039 --> 00:54:08.079
It's more of a, think it feels like a take root time.
00:54:08.079 --> 00:54:11.000
Most of the time when you kick it, it's not ten fold when you're kicking it.
00:54:11.000 --> 00:54:17.159
This is a bit later in the game, and, and you can see a lot of cards.
00:54:19.360 --> 00:54:20.639
No, it seems really good.
00:54:20.639 --> 00:54:23.639
Two last ones I wanted to touch on.
00:54:24.559 --> 00:54:30.239
We have the Stone Forge Mystic package that seems pretty solid, actually, in that control that we just touched on light stone.
00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:35.280
We'll just say with battle scale and quarter complete, that could be a nice little way of finishing a game in a white X deck.
00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:48.320
And I think there is sort of Armada sacrificing deck here, like we have like Adeline lingering solos, Goblin, Rebel, Master preacher, the schism we have like George Moss and Goblin Bombardment.
00:54:49.039 --> 00:54:53.599
So there's there's ways of making creatures and there's definitely like ways of sacrificing them.
00:54:53.599 --> 00:54:55.159
There's no like, blood artist effect.
00:54:55.159 --> 00:55:07.599
But I can see why that might be the only place I think is a little weird, because we it looks like we have the support for it, but none of the actual or none of the traditional payoffs, if that makes sense.
00:55:07.599 --> 00:55:18.880
Yeah, I think it's just very hard to justify putting blood artists in your in this cave deck, you know, it's kind of a tough way to do it.
00:55:18.880 --> 00:55:19.239
Yeah.
00:55:19.239 --> 00:55:23.840
It feels to me like there's this archetype phase that I've sort of tried from time to time.
00:55:24.039 --> 00:55:26.880
It's quite valid. Get enough? Kind of.
00:55:26.880 --> 00:55:33.519
Your camp is the only cards I'm really interested in trying to build around a little bit with the sacrifice stuff.
00:55:34.760 --> 00:55:41.119
This is an archetype I vaguely like as a just a slightly lower power level than this cube.
00:55:41.280 --> 00:55:52.239
But I think it it it does struggle a little bit when you get up to, full blown power cube, like, we're drafting him.
00:55:52.880 --> 00:55:54.000
No. Make sense?
00:55:54.000 --> 00:56:11.719
So, yeah, as we kind of gone over, that's that is the that is a pretty damn good representation of a power cube, like, it has the majority of things that you would expect to find in a power cube, which is fantastic.
00:56:11.719 --> 00:56:16.800
It's really good to see the only thing that comes out, James, that I touched on earlier, that there's no, like doomsday.
00:56:16.800 --> 00:56:19.000
There is one weird inclusion, actually.
00:56:19.000 --> 00:56:23.199
So there is a Jace, wielder of mysteries in here.
00:56:23.239 --> 00:56:29.519
That's the format of Jace that you can win the that you win the game if you have no cards in your library.
00:56:29.519 --> 00:56:31.440
But there's nothing to go with it.
00:56:31.440 --> 00:56:38.360
Like there's no doomsday, there's no demonic consultation, and there's no, like, facile realism redundancy.
00:56:38.360 --> 00:56:41.000
That seems a little weird to me.
00:56:41.960 --> 00:56:43.519
Would you agree with that, James?
00:56:43.519 --> 00:56:45.079
Yeah. Underestimating how many cards?
00:56:45.079 --> 00:56:46.360
I'm not too sure.
00:56:46.360 --> 00:56:48.559
Okay, I love that fear.
00:56:48.559 --> 00:57:00.760
But, like, Yeah, it's it's it's about, I mean, sometimes it's useful because you, you know, if it's, you're playing a long game of.
00:57:00.760 --> 00:57:11.039
It's, sometimes you're playing the brain freeze back, but they have no trophy, and you can't find freeze mouse and dice wheels as a way you can win by putting things in yourself.
00:57:12.039 --> 00:57:14.280
But, yeah, it it's a slightly odd inclusion.
00:57:14.280 --> 00:57:16.000
I don't think we barely need it.
00:57:16.000 --> 00:57:18.679
The same ice cube.
00:57:18.679 --> 00:57:23.840
And obviously, like, as a planeswalker, that a better format applying to Awkward Space included?
00:57:23.880 --> 00:57:27.000
Yeah, it's just the fact that it's it's there on its own with it.
00:57:27.000 --> 00:57:32.239
Like it for me, it is a archetype specific card without an archetype being supported in it.
00:57:32.239 --> 00:57:33.480
But yeah.
00:57:33.480 --> 00:57:46.159
And the one thing I don't love about cards side Fat VI, is, if I was drafting this cube and I hadn't seen the lists, then when I saw Jace Wheel, I would assume there was a doomsday or something to do with it.
00:57:46.199 --> 00:57:51.360
You know, Beverly's. Yes, 100%. Yeah. It is a trap, effectively.
00:57:51.360 --> 00:57:54.360
I think it's the best way to describe it.
00:57:55.519 --> 00:57:55.800
Nice.
00:57:55.800 --> 00:58:01.840
The only other major non include, which I think is fair is there's no time of stuff in this.
00:58:01.960 --> 00:58:07.519
I think that's probably more from a power level point of because Time Vault is very really top tier.
00:58:07.519 --> 00:58:13.519
But, overall, James, what do you think of this list?
00:58:13.519 --> 00:58:20.199
Like, this is the first time we're seeing, powered cube on arena.
00:58:20.199 --> 00:58:23.800
Taking a step back, we've looked at the architects, taking a step back and looking at the whole thing.
00:58:23.800 --> 00:58:24.719
What are your thoughts?
00:58:24.719 --> 00:58:26.719
Are you happy with that? Like.
00:58:26.719 --> 00:58:39.679
Yeah, I think it's really cool because it's gonna bring this sort of cubing to a very, very wide audience, an audience where a lot of people, like, just don't have encountered any a bunch of these cards before.
00:58:40.760 --> 00:58:44.119
So I think I think it's gonna, I think it's going to be very good for that.
00:58:44.159 --> 00:58:47.760
And I like for lists we've come up with as well.
00:58:47.800 --> 00:58:54.559
I think it will feel like the, it will feel like Power Cube as as we know it.
00:58:54.559 --> 00:58:58.320
It's not like, you know, solution in any way.
00:58:59.480 --> 00:59:03.360
It it captures the feel of the baby game for, I think, really?
00:59:03.360 --> 00:59:06.679
Well, Yeah.
00:59:06.679 --> 00:59:11.599
It will be cool to play it on something that doesn't resemble a spreadsheet.
00:59:12.679 --> 00:59:13.880
Yeah. So that's nice.
00:59:13.880 --> 00:59:14.639
So height for that.
00:59:14.639 --> 00:59:28.159
So, so so it's just keeping it on the list. I, I don't think put like this is the perfect list to get me to reinstall the arena and play it.
00:59:29.280 --> 00:59:31.800
I don't think they could have done a better job.
00:59:31.800 --> 00:59:34.079
Like like the odd card here or there.
00:59:34.079 --> 00:59:44.119
Like it's a minor, complaint, but, like, I don't think they could have done a better job of making a list designed to get specifically me on to arena to give them money.
00:59:44.320 --> 00:59:46.840
I think they have nailed that aspect of things.
00:59:46.840 --> 01:00:00.800
And like I, I do think that as a it is a choice that they have made to not have universes beyond in the first one of this and to not have the caused or like specifically, they have made more work for themselves.
01:00:00.800 --> 01:00:11.840
They've had to play better, import more cards, and make new cards from scratch, rather than use universes beyond cards that they already have and alchemy cards that they already have.
01:00:11.840 --> 01:00:14.440
They have made more work for themselves.
01:00:14.440 --> 01:00:25.960
But I think it's worth it. Like my biggest fear and and this is a really weird complaint, is that this is the peak and they screw it up from here.
01:00:26.480 --> 01:00:28.039
That is my biggest fear with this.
01:00:28.039 --> 01:00:35.599
And like, that's a weird position to be in because it's more my worries with the company, shall we say.
01:00:35.719 --> 01:00:38.559
But like as a product I don't.
01:00:38.559 --> 01:00:39.719
I am so hyped for this.
01:00:39.719 --> 01:00:42.679
I think it's awesome.
01:00:42.679 --> 01:00:44.039
Yeah for sure, for sure.
01:00:44.039 --> 01:00:44.880
I think it's very cool.
01:00:44.880 --> 01:00:45.360
Yeah.
01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:48.360
When when you said, oh, they're putting powered cube on arena.
01:00:49.400 --> 01:00:51.559
I thought it wasn't going to be this.
01:00:51.559 --> 01:00:58.239
I thought it was going to be, then adding the power nine to a bunch of broken alchemy cards.
01:00:58.239 --> 01:00:59.719
And I'm very sorry for that.
01:00:59.719 --> 01:01:09.199
Is this, that we're getting and I think it's fairly cool, putting it on arena and a bunch of new people are going to get to play it 100%.
01:01:09.559 --> 01:01:21.280
The last thing I want to ask you today, James, before we finish up, is there is a what do you think the effect of this cube is going to have on the, modo vintage cube?
01:01:21.280 --> 01:01:26.400
The one that's like Old Faithful, as it were, the one that's been that people like people.
01:01:26.400 --> 01:01:27.760
I'm dropping up until now.
01:01:27.760 --> 01:01:34.039
Because they all kind of taking their audience away from themselves.
01:01:34.480 --> 01:01:39.280
Overall, I think it will be it's a net positive because it will bring more people into it.
01:01:39.280 --> 01:01:54.639
Like it's going to bring me, because like, I love cube. I, we host a podcast about cube, but I hate Mic Go so much that I don't play it because I feel like I live in 2025.
01:01:54.639 --> 01:01:59.760
Why am I interacting with like a interface from like my childhood?
01:01:59.840 --> 01:02:08.079
Like I've confused myself with my anger about Mic Go, but but like, congrats Mr. Sanders.
01:02:08.079 --> 01:02:11.480
So, so for people like me, it's awesome that this is now a thing.
01:02:11.480 --> 01:02:14.480
But like like James, like like you play a lot of modo vintage.
01:02:14.480 --> 01:02:19.199
You like like how it's like like obviously that cube is now up a lot more than it used to be.
01:02:19.199 --> 01:02:22.800
And this Q, I think is only gonna be up like once every like couple of months, as it were.
01:02:22.800 --> 01:02:25.400
Kind of like, what do you like?
01:02:25.400 --> 01:02:28.079
Obviously it hasn't even come out yet.
01:02:25.400 --> 01:02:28.079
It will. It comes out next week.
01:02:28.079 --> 01:02:32.159
But like, what do you anticipate your patterns of play to be on this?
01:02:33.440 --> 01:02:34.400
Yeah.
01:02:34.400 --> 01:02:37.599
So I just I play a little less of a modo vintage groove.
01:02:37.599 --> 01:02:43.400
And I used to actually, I think a non-zero amount of fat is added up all the time now.
01:02:43.400 --> 01:02:49.960
And there was a point where it was kind of an event when it was up and it would be up for three weeks.
01:02:50.039 --> 01:02:51.679
That's cool.
01:02:51.679 --> 01:02:54.119
It was the holiday cube.
01:02:54.119 --> 01:02:56.000
Like, for me, Christmas is. Yeah.
01:02:56.000 --> 01:02:57.800
And then I would jam for that three weeks.
01:02:57.800 --> 01:02:59.639
And now it's up all the time.
01:02:59.639 --> 01:03:07.440
And then I sort of save myself out on that a while ago, and I'll like, I'll jump on discord and do a cube from time to time.
01:03:07.440 --> 01:03:10.960
But I'm not like, jamming in the same way as I was at a certain point.
01:03:12.760 --> 01:03:32.679
I like obviously, I think if you're looking at this from day by day fake games point of view, who are the people who then go, it's not a positive for them, but I don't think it's a huge deal because this is going to be up for three weeks and they have cube, but basically all the time at this point.
01:03:32.679 --> 01:03:39.519
So, I think most of the people who cube, met go by like hop over to arena for a bit.
01:03:39.599 --> 01:03:40.400
I'll keep this up.
01:03:40.400 --> 01:03:43.480
But but they'll be back for Mitko and that's fine.
01:03:43.639 --> 01:03:50.880
I was about to say that maybe this gets new people into Vintage Chief and then make out and say, I'm that guy.
01:03:50.880 --> 01:03:53.480
But I think that's true.
01:03:50.880 --> 01:03:53.480
I believe that they won't.
01:03:53.480 --> 01:03:56.360
They might not like and be like, oh, maybe this'll be good.
01:03:56.360 --> 01:03:59.599
And then they'll use it for an hour and then they'll log off and never come back.
01:04:01.039 --> 01:04:01.400
Yeah.
01:04:01.400 --> 01:04:03.960
Like it won't be zero people that transfer over.
01:04:03.960 --> 01:04:09.679
But it's not going to be a lot of people that transfer over just just because of the limitations of Omega.
01:04:09.679 --> 01:04:13.239
But like like like mega does have advantages over arena.
01:04:13.320 --> 01:04:20.639
Like I do think the ecosystem is better in that go like it's more of a direct currency thing.
01:04:20.639 --> 01:04:39.599
Like like, yes, you can literally grind for points for arena, but like it does have that premium currency look, boxy type thing, that kind of as a but like, MC go is more like paper, is more like a digital version of paper magic Arena.
01:04:39.599 --> 01:04:41.800
Is that like a premium game?
01:04:41.800 --> 01:04:43.239
If that makes sense.
01:04:43.239 --> 01:04:44.440
They are different in that aspect.
01:04:44.440 --> 01:04:46.760
So they both have their negatives and their positives.
01:04:46.760 --> 01:04:51.599
And like like one thing that Mako does have is that it has all the cards.
01:04:52.039 --> 01:04:55.519
The arena cube has these cards and everything else on arena.
01:04:56.079 --> 01:05:01.679
The mic go vintage cube has all the bits so so like it can adapt to like packages and style changes.
01:05:01.679 --> 01:05:08.239
So like say there's a modern horizon set like yes, both both are both platforms.
01:05:08.239 --> 01:05:10.440
Arena and Metro will get the modern horizon set.
01:05:10.440 --> 01:05:20.599
But if like it pulls out a new archetype and then a card from 20 years ago suddenly really synergize and combos off with a card, MC go will have that immediately because it's already there.
01:05:20.599 --> 01:05:21.840
Arena won't.
01:05:21.840 --> 01:05:36.239
So there is a world where kind of like like the Mega Cube has already been kind of experimenting more with different packages and archetypes, and I think that's going to actually push them to do more, which I think ultimately is that breed innovation and gives us more cool stuff to look at that. I'm kind of here for it.
01:05:36.239 --> 01:05:36.840
Yeah, for sure.
01:05:36.840 --> 01:05:42.679
I think Meiko and Arena are attempting to do fundamentally very different things, right?
01:05:42.679 --> 01:05:46.400
Like arena is meant to be a standalone game.
01:05:46.400 --> 01:05:49.519
It's a fun, good user experience.
01:05:49.519 --> 01:05:54.280
And, if you had never paid Fe for magic, you might want to come play arena. So.
01:05:54.320 --> 01:05:54.880
Right.
01:05:54.880 --> 01:06:03.360
Magic Online is not that magic online is this paper card game that I play a couple of times a month with my fans.
01:06:03.360 --> 01:06:10.440
I'm really into that, and I would like to be able to play it more often, and I would like to be able to play it online without leaving my house.
01:06:10.440 --> 01:06:11.719
And I'm very committed to that.
01:06:11.719 --> 01:06:15.320
So I don't really care if it doesn't look very nice.
01:06:15.320 --> 01:06:22.800
The thing I care about is that I can play my favorite format with my favorite cards, and they're all there.
01:06:23.840 --> 01:06:29.679
And in that respect, I think Magic Online actually does its job pretty well.
01:06:29.840 --> 01:06:39.280
It is a good version of what it is, but, what it is, is just not for everyone.
01:06:39.280 --> 01:06:40.960
I think that's okay.
01:06:40.960 --> 01:06:46.880
And to be honest, it's probably I don't imagine their user base has much potential to expand.
01:06:47.000 --> 01:06:47.440
Really.
01:06:47.440 --> 01:07:03.199
I think there are a bunch of people who play it because they like to play modern or legacy or vintage or or cube or the other thing I like about mecha, you can draft other cubes because you can just draft on draft Mansa draft as a cube.
01:07:03.199 --> 01:07:05.599
You want every basically every card.
01:07:05.599 --> 01:07:08.719
And magic is available on on Mako.
01:07:08.719 --> 01:07:13.039
Invent cards and you can play some games and that's really cool.
01:07:13.079 --> 01:07:15.320
There's no scope to do anything like that.
01:07:15.320 --> 01:07:15.760
Innovate.
01:07:15.760 --> 01:07:16.440
Yeah.
01:07:16.440 --> 01:07:19.079
It's it's a fundamentally very different thing.
01:07:20.079 --> 01:07:21.079
So I think there's.
01:07:21.079 --> 01:07:28.159
Yeah, there's plenty of room for both those programs to coexist and, and serve their user bases pretty well.
01:07:30.360 --> 01:07:30.880
Exactly.
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And at the end of the day, I think this is going to bring more people into playing cube.
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So that's generally an awesome thing.
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So yeah, I think for my end I'm super hype.
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Yeah. Again.
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So if you're listening to this the day this podcast comes out, which will be Sunday evening, it's Tuesday is two days away.
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So yeah, I, I'm going to be updating my arena client on Monday.
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I'm going to be making some videos on it.
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I'm going to be playing it and enjoying it, and I'm really looking forward to that.
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It's going to be awesome.
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That's that's cool.
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Yeah, I think I have, yeah.
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I very rarely seen you play the Magic Online.
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So that's of any sort. So that's cool.
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I pulled you back in this one I can play on my phone while watching TV.
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I can play, I can play while being distracted by the television.
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Love that.
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All right.
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That's going to do it for today, James.
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Pleasure, man.
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I thought that was.
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Yeah, a really good chat.
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And yeah, I'm I'm very excited for the next couple of weeks.
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Could be fun. Nice. Yeah. Always pleasure.
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Awesome.
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And yeah, we will touch base in a couple of weeks once we've got our hands on the cube, give our thoughts, to do a bit more of a level up.
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Until next time, it's goodbye from me.
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That's goodbye from James and we'll see you all soon.
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Goodbye.