Keyser: When do you think people die? When they are shot through the heart by the bullet of a pistol? No. When they're ravaged by an incurable disease? No. When they drink a soup made from a poisonous mushroom? It's when they are forgotten. Woo Shivers, man.
Senkei: Yeah, what a quote,
Keyser: Herrlock What a quote.
Senkei: When does a man truly die? That's the question that Hirluck asks while he's dying, poisoned by a mushroom, surrounded by Whopp's men. And after everything he's been through, all he wants to do is try to provide treatment to the people who need it. And I think we've been thinking about that since we read that in the manga. So today we're gonna try to answer that question. And what the speech means to us. So let's start with the the speech itself. When does a man die? We discussed it a little bit already in the reading of Drum Island, but let's go over it one more time A man dies according to Doctor Hireluk when they're forgotten. I think that's a very profound thing and it and it makes a lot of sense, right? So long as your your physical body may be gone, but so long as your memory, your will, and the goals that you pass on to other people and you live on in their minds, you truly aren't dead in a sense.
Afo: It does make you question your whole life and what it sums up to, I think. You know, like when do you truly die and what do you leave behind when you do die? Right. And what are you remembered for? Such a powerful question. and this is like it's something that is echoed in religious texts, right, a lot. that you have to remember death. Doctor Herlook was a great reminder for me to think about my life actually in real life. Like what am I working towards? And when you do die, what is left behind? is it something good? Are you gonna be remembered for how long? And does any good come out of it after your physical body is gone? very, very powerful speech and a very, very powerful and important question to ask.
Keyser: Yeah, I mean it's the whole the whole concept of legacy, you know? Like what do you leave behind to create memories from either your family, you know, if you've if you have kids, obviously the your children are your are that that part of that legacy, but what was the the stat you were referring to earlier, Sanky? Is like after three or four generations that that legacy s tends to die off because they forget, you know, th those those last generations, but it's so funny because recently I was trying to get my Italian passport because I'm four generations Italian and I had to go search up all of the birth, death, marriage license records of my great grandfather who was born in Naples, Italy. And so I was I was in a way remembering I was bringing him back to life in those memories. I don't have any obviously any memories of him in the real world, but I was looking at all these documents and all this information and all these records from a man who, you know, was born in the eighteen hundreds, which is insane to think about really.
Afo: Mm-hmm.
Keyser: my grandmother was born in the in New York in the nine in the nineteen twenties. Like like a hundred
Afo: Mm. Mm-hmm.
Keyser: years ago. Like that's insane.
Afo: But that that also proves Dr. Hillock's point of your ancestors are alive in a way through the actions of yourself, like the values and the teachings that they've passed on to their kids and their kids to their kids, And you in current day live by those values, By the respect,
Keyser: Yeah.
Afo: by the kindness, right? All of that stuff, by the importance of pursuing your dreams. All of that has been passed on to you from your ancestors. So you even if you don't remember them by name every day, you actually are, you know
Keyser: Mm.
Afo: a living ex example of that lesson, what Doctor Hirlich says.
Keyser: you mentioned all very positive and meaningful aspects of of the memory of someone,
Afo: Mm-hmm.
Keyser: but it could also be bad. They could have also left bad
Senkei: Yes, of course.
Afo: yeah.
Keyser: negative traits in you that you are living on as well, which we see often very much, right? People people are taught how to live their life and they they carry those traits on and they don't always they're not always good traits.
Senkei: Yeah. But even even in and th those are the moments when that person has truly passed on, right? When they've sort of ended that legacy and they're are no longer being remembered or their teachings aren't being passed on. But even for a brief moment, like Kaiser said, when something does bring them bring bring you back to who they were or make you think about them in any way, they're sort of Obviously not really, but for just a brief moment that memory of them just brings them back to life,
Keyser: Yeah.
Senkei: if you will.
Keyser: Yeah. Yeah. It's an i it's it's a really interesting I mean, obvious that's that's, you know, one of the reasons why we have cemeteries, you know, to visit our loved ones. But once once the generations are gone, like if that let's say I don't have any kids, right? After I'm gone, my legacy is done, right? Because there's nobody left except maybe friends of mine who are younger, but then once they're gone. Right. Like the only thing left of me is this piece of marble sticking out of the ground with my name on it.
Afo: Mm.
Senkei: Mm-hmm.
Keyser: But people might walk by it and read it. You know, and so and but how long does that head headstone last? You know, if there's an earthquake or a flood or a or
Afo: Mm.
Keyser: you know, time passes, those things all disappear. So it's interesting, like nothing is permanent. Right. Nothing lasts forever. So even your legacy will eventually die die off because you will eventually be forgotten.
Afo: Yeah, and I I think that's that's the exact thing that it it makes you aware to that temporariness of this world and these things, the names and the labels and everything. And that's why people pursue bigger goals than their lives. Something that
Keyser: Yes.
Afo: stands above it all, It is they they create something that keeps producing good for for generations to come. It can be in the form of art. It can be in the form of a building. It can be in the form of a system. That they come up with. It's something that's continuous good. And that that that that helps them remember for for for ages to come.
Keyser: Absolutely. And so when you finally recognize your mortality and you know become aware of your mortality,
Afo: Mm-hmm.
Keyser: which a lot of people don't think about very often, but when you do, it can be very motivating for you to start
Afo: Mm-hmm.
Keyser: building something way bigger than yourself and start thinking less selfishly and and more, you know, in a grand scheme of things. How how will I be remembered and how do I want to be remembered? You know, do I want to be known as an entrepreneur, a a business creator, an artist? Do I want to create things that will last way beyond my life? and I know we have a lot of examples that we're gonna dig into about people who have who've done just that. But think about being a kid and reading this and getting a kind of a if you if you truly grasp the meaning of it when you're reading it, you know, even us as adults, but like some people don't. They kind of skim over the deep the depth of these things. But if you truly grasp
Afo: Mm.
Keyser: the meaning of this thing at a young age, it can hit you like a ton of bricks and maybe hopefully motivate you to to get your act together and really start thinking early about how what do I want to do so that I can be remembered in this life.
Afo: It's such a mature lesson for for for kids to learn at as early age as possible. And I think Oda doing that to like hundreds and thousands and millions of people around the world is just, you know, beautiful. And I keep saying that over and over again that I'm really, really jealous of Senki uh's ability and and like
Keyser: Yeah, you'd say that all.
Afo: yeah, to to to have experienced this at such a young age,
Senkei: I do remember reading this section for the first time as a kid and and like you said it does stick with you. It's it's not the kind of thing that you would normally think about in your day-to-day life.
Afo: Mm.
Senkei: when is a man forgotten? And it really puts a lot of things into context, right? like Kaiser said specifically, what I want to bring up is I don't know if there's if this is the actual term for it. But there's this concept of the three-generation limit. Most people, your average human being, will be forgotten in three to four generations, roughly 75 to 100 years. And the first generation, these are your children. They know you. They have direct contact with you. They've heard your voice. They know your habits. And then there's the second generation afterwards, your grandchildren. They may have met you, they may have heard stories about you, they may have very brief flashes of memory about who you were. But those grandchildren, their children, they might see you in a in a photograph here or there, but there is no personal connection to who you are. And then the g generation after that, you completely cease to exist. You
Afo: Mm.
Senkei: will have been a distant memory unless you're in a situation like Kaiser brought up where somebody has to go back and dig for this information. And then for a very brief moment, you come back to life in everyone's eyes. And I think this is one of the things this is, by the way, like for me probably top five or top ten quotes and lessons from from One Piece personally. And I think this really got me into learning about history in real life and looking back at things. Because this isn't a a verbatim quote from Dan Carlin, who does the podcast Hardcore History, but history ruins fiction for you. There there are so many incredible people and events in history that for some you would never believe actually happened in real life. And I think these people from history, the the names that we recognize, right, whether they be great generals, kings, leaders, all of these people, inventors will live forever, either through their inventions, their artwork, either the good or the bad they may have done in their life, where their names are remembered for generations. How often do you hear about characters from history, Julius Caesar, Leonardo da Vinci, all of these people that have had a direct impact on our lives?
Afo: Mm-hmm.
Senkei: And these are people, their legacy is so great, they truly will never be forgotten. And they're as inventors and artists especially are inspirations for generations to come. Their art is studied and imitated and technology
Afo: Mm-hmm.
Senkei: is built upon the foundations that were given to us by these people.
Keyser: Yeah, literally. Technology, I mean
Afo: Yeah.
Keyser: like Steve Jobs, you know, we'll we'll you know, unless something very dramatic happens to humanity, th we're gonna be using these these products for a very, very long time. Very dramatic. I'll be back.
Afo: Something dramatic. I love that. Side eye, something dramatic. Around the corner. But yeah, yeah, that that is you know, y y you you summarize it very well. The the legacy is not necessarily just like a biological thing of like your children. Because you have a blood relation. No. It's it's about ultimately it's about doing good for the world and doing good in a way that it lives on after your f you know, mortal shell is gone. That is that is the whole point of it.
Keyser: Yeah, if you do if you do something good, you know, something great, you will be remembered. But if you do something bad, it has to be epically bad to be remembered. Like you have to really go
Afo: Yeah.
Keyser: above and beyond to to to be remembered as a bad because most people don't want to have memories of that stuff. So it has to be
Senkei: Mm-hmm.
Keyser: so epically globally awful to be remembered. So, you know, you like let's be remembered for for the let's build something good and positive. It's much easier.
Senkei: Yes. But it it is also true that these villains from history will also be remembered forever. I th I think
Keyser: They will.
Senkei: there's the one the one that we will not name that's very obvious from the last hundred years,
Keyser: Voldemort? no. I know what you're talking about.
Senkei: but people like that too will be remembered forever. And look, not everybody's a saint,
Afo: Yeah.
Senkei: right? Some of the characters, characters I say. See, I again it's it's just so incredible that it's easy to forget. Yes, yes, yeah. Yeah.
Keyser: They are characters of history. Yeah.
Afo: These are characters, you're not wrong. Yeah.
Senkei: these people weren't perfect, right? Take Dr. Hero look from One Piece himself. He was not. Always the man that we remember him for. And I think one of the interesting things that brought about this video for me as well is rereading the arc. We all remember the speech. We remember the moment and what he did for Chopper. But he started off not as a good guy. He was a thief. And it wasn't until he found a profound realization and hope and inspiration that he came back to Drum Island and tried to do good for the future generations. And now he's remembered. as this I'm gonna say great doctor, but the jury is a little bit out whether or not he could treat patients the way he thought he could, seeing as how he has to literally tranquilize the wife of one of his patients. But he's remembered as this great man, but he always wasn't always as such.
Afo: Would give him the great doctor label because I think the point wasn't to use medicine to heal people, it was to heal their hearts. He was reaching
Senkei: Mm-hmm.
Afo: for something way deeper than just like the sickness, the physical sickness of people. which he accomplished, you know, like he instilled and refreshed that hope in people. And passed on his knowledge, whatever he knew, all the failed experiments to Chopper to carry with him. he definitely was a great doctor. I feel sad saying was. Like he's no more.
Senkei: Yeah. Well he he he's he's still around, you know. We just spent we spent
Afo: He's still around? Yeah. Yeah.
Keyser: We yeah, we've been talking about it for eighteen minutes. And he's
Afo: Yeah, yeah.
Senkei: the chapters that we read about Dr. Hireluk came out in two thousand and one. And here we are talking about them twenty-five years later,
Keyser: Twenty five years.
Senkei: over three weeks now. And I think a fictional
Afo: A fictional character. Let's go.
Senkei: character, and we have three hours worth of content based around this man. And so he really he isn't forgotten, he lives on.
Afo: Yeah, it's it's a powerful character. It actually teaches you another lesson in the same breath that you can change. It's never too late. Even if you're on the verge of death, there's still time to do good. And I think that's a very important lesson for for youngs to learn that. You know, like you're not all bad and y if you do a bad thing, that doesn't mean you're you're done and that's your life. No. You can you can change, you can pick a different direction and and do good.
Senkei: So I want to make this a little bit more personal and take it out of One Piece a little bit. for the three of us, I want to talk about who in our lives has passed on but has made a lasting impact for us and what keeps them alive in not just how we remember them, but what they inspired us to be or or to do. Are you guys down for that?
Keyser: Yeah, absolutely.
Afo: Yeah,
Senkei: Yeah, okay, I'll start since it was my idea. Okay.
Keyser: Yeah, go.
Senkei: it'll be a person that I know all of you are familiar with for sure. Growing up, we we would always watch the food network and the travel channel. isn't like a one off thing. Obviously, I have a lot of time spent on this this person's content, but His influence has directly changed how I travel, how I treat food, and beyond that, when it comes to connecting with other human beings of different cultures and languages, the person that I want to talk about is Anthony Bourdain, who
Keyser: Yeah.
Senkei: is who was a chef, a traveler. I think he would refer to himself as as more of a a storyteller or or an essayist, if you will. and this is actually very interesting timing that we're doing this video because they're making a movie about him called Tony by
Afo: Mm-hmm.
Senkei: A twenty four I think is the studio behind it.
Keyser: A twenty four's everything they do is amazing.
Senkei: I want to quote something that he said that is that I find very profound from his book called The The Nasty Bits. And he says, travel changes you. As you move through this life and this world, you change things slightly. You leave marks behind, however small, and in return life and travel leaves marks on you.
Afo: It was beautiful.
Senkei: I think I think that's a really beautiful way of looking at it because time does make a difference, right? There are different times in your life where you're interested in different things, you want to do different things, but all of your experiences, they come together and they shape who you are and who you're going to be. And he showed us this through his ability to travel, to connect with people over food. And it's given me this outlook on life where I want to go off the typical path. I don't want to create an itinerary of everywhere that I'm going, or I view food less as as simply sustenance and more as culture and shared experience. But for him, it it was never just about the food. It was about y who you are as a person and the person that you're sitting across at the same table as you and the meal you're sharing.
Keyser: Yeah, he was a beautiful soul too. Very, very touched, you know, by by I mean he was a tortured soul, but he was v he was touched by by exceptionalism. you know, he he had he had the like all of the elements of of celebrity. You know, he was very talented, he was a great storyteller, he was a good looking guy. You know, he had all the elements that it took to make a to make a memorable character. Unfortunately he was a tortured soul, so he left the this earth way too soon. Although it can be said the the brightest stars burn out fastest, that kind of theory is like
Afo: Mm-hmm.
Keyser: is he more memorable now because of the the his shorter life? You know, potentially. Potentially.
Afo: Mm-hmm. Yeah, I I I don't know if this is what he said, but I did read it somewhere and I also heard it from somebody that he said that and I live by this, even if he didn't say it, that I don't like people that don't like food. I don't trust people that don't like food. I've said it to Senki before. Yeah. I
Keyser: Yeah, I think he
Senkei: Yes, yeah.
Afo: I do not I do not trust people that don't like flavors and different types of food and they're like, you know, I just it it says it yeah, it's
Keyser: Yeah. Yeah. no, I agree. I also did you did you ever hear the statement like, Don't trust a skinny chef?
Afo: Ha ha Hey the deer the the proof is in the pudding, you know. You gotta look at it. but
Keyser: That's right.
Senkei: Yeah.
Afo: yeah, that's such a true, true statement, you know. And from what I know, I like I don't know as much as Senke does, but from what I know about him was he loved to travel, he welcomed different cultures and loved to learn about them. The food itself was just an I would say. Just an excuse to learn more about the world. And it's one of those things that you can just sit at the table across a person that speaks a different language is completely from a different part of the world and share a meal with with them, taste their food and tells you a lot about them. So I I love that. I love that.
Keyser: Yeah. Great example.
Senkei: Yeah, and he he was an thank you, thank you. He's an inspiration for so many that are not only chefs or cooks in the in a kitchen. There's a whole subreddit based off of the name of of his book, Kitchen Confidential, where you know these sh chefs share their stories and experiences of their days in the restaurant business. and they're all of these travel channels on YouTube where, you know, they were inspired by his work to get out their travel the world and share their experiences as well as well in these connections that they built with people. So I think for me he is one of my personal examples of somebody that will never be forgotten and and he will live on.
Keyser: Yeah, it's definitely a timeless character for sure. I I think it might be obvious who who I chose just based on the the the room I'm sitting in. But you know, I mean as a kid I was profoundly attracted to comic books, the stories, the artwork, the heroes, the villains, and Stan Lee. for me, for my generation, growing up in the seventies and eighties and nineties, was the sort of prolific developer of that universe, specifically Marvel. he created the most memorable characters that we still, you know, hinge our culture on, you know, Spider Man being probably the most famous, but he invented the the Avengers, you the Hulk, Daredevil, Thor. Iron Man, like ever think of it ev even Doctor Doom, you know, who is now the the new antagonist of the of an entirely new arc of of films that are coming starting in in December. this is this is a person who who was relentless in his pursuit of creating legends that you know will live well, well, well beyond him. And he passed in twenty eighteen. So we're you know, we're eight years now past his his passing, but up until the time of his death, he was still writing and in and developing new characters and editing Marvel Comics and doing cameo appearances in every one of the films that you could still see him in starting from Iron Man one. And so this is this is a person who created an entire universe that we all live in and thrive in. You know, I mean as you can see, one of the most popular mediums in in our in in the world, translated in every language possible. And still come out every month. Hundreds and hundreds of of books come out every month and they're printed by the millions. So That's that's a pretty big legacy to to leave this world with.
Afo: it's it's just unbelievable to think like all these threads lived inside his head. Like all these ideas for Spider Man, for Hulk, for Iron Man, all that stuff. Bring them together, separate them, put them in different, you know, storylines. It's just just amazing work.
Keyser: And and very similar
Senkei: And regardless.
Keyser: well, very similar to Oda, you know, ensuring that he is true to the to the readers and the fans every single month by making sure that these characters stay true to themselves and there's no i idiosyncrasies or or misconceptions or weird timelines that don't make sense, right? Like it's a it's a very it's a big responsibility.
Afo: Yeah. And you know what? I actually wish that Oda does learn the secret to a long life from Dr. Koreja and lives for for three hundred years at least. So he can keep making these stories.
Senkei: Ha ha.
Keyser: Well, we are gonna be doing this podcast until we're 90. So he did
Afo: He probably already
Senkei: And so we're ninety.
Keyser: Stan had had a a great quote that I that I love, and I actually think that this makes a lot of sense for for for what we're reading currently. But his his quote that I picked was I guess one person can make a difference. You know, when you break that down to it's it's very simple, but it's like You anybody can do it if you're willing to put in the time and the work.
Afo: Yeah, and and that's how that's how collection also works. Everybody has to be convinced that they can make a difference for everybody to act. If you're relying on you on on Senki, Senki's relying on me, I'm not taking action, I'm relying on you. It it doesn't work. You have to be convinced to take action, everybody and each one of us to make a difference, and that's how it works. for me, I don't think my example could compete with with Senki's or Kaisers. It's on like on the quieter end. there's an actor, I don't know, for those of you who know, called Irfan Khan. his main career was in Bollywood, but he does have a good amount of films with Hollywood as well. The actor from Life of Pi, have you guys seen Life of Pi? Yeah. The storyteller, the the narrator. yes. That's Irfan Khan.
Keyser: yes, beautiful movie. I I w didn't even know he passed.
Senkei: Yes, yes, of course.
Afo: He is Okay, I grew up like ninety-nine percent of my life, I grew up watching Bollywood movies. I actually learned Hindi from Bollywood movies. And in our family, we all loved Ir Irfan Khan. You know, in every movie that even if he had like two minutes of screen time, he just stole the show. He's one of those actors. If you put him in a movie, the the main actor or protagonist was in trouble all the time. But
Keyser: Yeah.
Afo: It's just his movies, some of his movies are like every script that he chose were was really important. It wasn't like a money grab kind of actor either. It was very intentional. His last movie that he did was was called Angrazy Medium, and then before that one I think it was Life of Pi. Both of these movies talks about really, really important life lessons and really important questions to ask. the last movie that he did, Angrizy Medium, talks about the the difficulty of a pair navigating between protective love to protect your kids and keep them at home and keep them safe, compared to leaving them to pursue their dreams. It's just I keep thinking about him.
Keyser: Awesome.
Senkei: Yeah, he was a phenomenal actor. these are people again who are imm immortalized in the work that they've done. And so long as it exists, they will also still be around, even though they have physically left our our world. I did want to flip this on its head just a little bit. but what do you think about we've we've talked about inspiration and leaving behind this this the inheritance of of this will for someone else to carry on your work for you, which we will in a second discuss, but what do you think about the burden that might be left behind as well? Specifically, let's say in One Piece, for example, Dalton, this is Kaiser's theory, is that Dalton will one day become the king of Drum Island. And He will build a better future for the people, and he was inspired to do so by Dr. Hireluk in this moment. But what if Dalton doesn't want the responsibility of becoming the leader? He wants to change the kingdom. And as we know now that we finished the arc, Whopple is gone, so the threat against the kingdom is gone. But will he step up to be the leader? And is he equipped, is he the right person to do this, or is this now a burden that he has to shoulder for himself?
Keyser: Yeah, it's an interesting concept, right? The the big shoes that that you now have to fill, you know, A, do you even want it? And B, if you do want it, can you do it? You know, that's a that's a that's a heavy burden. the weight of the responsibility. You know, I look I I I and I think Dalton's a great example of that because if my theory is correct, he will take on the mantle as the new leader of Drum Island, but that doesn't mean that they're out of danger. You know, Blackbeard came up and showed up and apparently, you know, walloped Wapole. So and Dalton couldn't do anything against against him. So what's to say that Blackbeard or some other power wouldn't come back. So he might even have like PTSD or like from that experience and be like, now I'm good. You know, no thanks. But the people I would assume are going to need a ruler and he seems to be the next in line. So will he feel the responsibility is greater than the fear, you know, and take that, take that mantle on. So that those are the things that interest me is like the motivations for people to fill that void, you know, with hopefully with with good intent.
Afo: That that can be applied to to a son as well. For example, their father was a great man and did a lot of great things. The son is trying to live up to his father, right? When the the father is gone and to live up live up to his legacy, and people perceive him like they're they're they're gonna compare the two. They're like, well, you're nothing like your father. It can be a burden, you know, even though the the parent, whoever's passed away. did a lot of good things for the community and set a really great example, but it's still for for the kid, for the son who's trying, i it can be difficult to fill those shoes in. So
Senkei: Yeah.
Keyser: Yeah, very much so. In fact, it it can even become so burdensome that they fail dramatically
Afo: Mm-hmm.
Keyser: throughout their entire life because they're living in that shadow. You know, they're like, there's no way
Afo: The standards are set? Yeah, the standards are set. Yeah it's
Senkei: Yes.
Keyser: I'm going to ever be as good as that. So I might as well not even try.
Senkei: Mm-hmm.
Afo: Yeah.
Senkei: I that's that's actually an interesting perspective to bring up because I think, a lot of these great fathers that you see, gonna use a an example from a fictional situation in a moment here, but a lot of these great fathers that you see are so busy being great that they don't have a lot of time left to be fathers. So they are absent out of the lives of these children and they aren't there to directly teach them and guide them in the way that they should be taught and guided.
Keyser: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Senkei: the example that I want to use is Gladiator, where Marcus Aurelius is this great leader, one of my favorite philosophers, but his son is the the antagonist in the film. And it's not even close. Not even close. And I think that's that's a perfect example just to keep it in the realm of of fiction in that movie, where, you know, because he was so busy being a great leader, the Emperor of Rome, and this incredible philosopher that he couldn't pass those lessons down to Commodus commodist?
Keyser: Commonists.
Senkei: commodus, sorry.
Afo: Mm-hmm.
Senkei: my favorite movie. And I'm completely plumbing the names. but yeah, and then that's that's how we get in that situation, you know, and and it's again it's that that sense of burden where like okay, this was them, but why should it be me? Why can't I just enjoy all this power that I have that was built on their legacy?
Keyser: That's a good example of of living in a shadow, tremendous shadow, and just growing up to feel completely unworthy. that he didn't even bother trying. That dude was tormented.
Afo: Mm.
Keyser: Tormented.
Afo: Yeah, it's it's a difficult thing to to be on the receiving end of like living under somebody's legacy, which is very difficult to surpass.
Keyser: Yeah. unless you're an extremely motivated individual and you take on the challenge, you know, and you're like, I'll give it my best shot. Or or or you don't care. Or you don't care.
Afo: Or or you don't really care. Or you don't really care being compared. Yeah. Or you're like, you know what? That was my father. I'm different. Yeah.
Keyser: Remove the ego. I'm gonna live my own life. Right.
Afo: Or the community becomes a little, self aware. They're like, you know what? This is a different kid. It doesn't have those gifts. So let him go. Let him be.
Keyser: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Let yeah. Seek your own path.
Senkei: take Wapple for example. Wapple's father was a great king, Dalton remembers him
Afo: Mm-hmm.
Senkei: as such, and then Wapple himself is just awful.
Afo: Yeah, we don't know how involved the king was in raising Waple. You know, like what lessons
Senkei: Yeah.
Afo: did he try to instill in him from
Keyser: Yeah, look at Hel Meppo too. What a mess that dude is.
Afo: So many
Senkei: Yeah.
Afo: examples. Yeah.
Senkei: Yeah. the concept of inherited will. So I brought this up when we did our second part of Drum Island. I brought the quote from Roger in chapter one hundred, which I'll I'll reread here. an inherited strength of will, one's dreams, and the ebb and flow of the ages. As long as people hunger for freedom, these things will exist. this is the man who on the day of his execution started the great pirate era in the world. And while that may not be this one-to-one example of a single person inheriting a will, this is now a collective group of people being influenced to do something great, to pursue
Afo: Pursue. Mm-hmm.
Senkei: something. And in doing so, the king of the pirates. will live on forever. For the Marines it's a nightmare that this man started this age of piracy. For the pirates that are interested in treasure, his name will echo through the ages of time.
Keyser: Mm-hmm.
Afo: I mean yeah, we we've seen it over and over again through Shanks, you know, passing on his will to to Luffy about exploration and becoming a pirate. We saw it through the medium of stories to Usopp from Yasop, and then we see it from Doctor
Senkei: That is not a thing. That is not a thing. You need to stop saying that. We have no
Afo: That's not a thing?
Senkei: we have no confirmation that Yassa passed on stories to Usa.
Afo: But where d but where do they come from? I'm gonna assume that's the Yasop stories passed on to Usopp. Well there might be. Okay.
Senkei: You're you're free to assume, but don't say it like it's true.
Afo: Okay, okay, all right, all right. I'll take it back. But then Okay,
Senkei: We're gonna we're gonna get in trouble for that.
Afo: we're we're one piece first time we're over here.
Senkei: There you go.
Afo: and then we we also saw it with the Chopper and Dr. look. You know, like this is a recurring theme and we also see it in our real lives every day.
Keyser: There's definitely there's definitely a a a sort of a message of like passing down wisdom, you know, handing down there's there's a generational thing. There's like a sort of a family legacy threaded theme going on all the time. We don't quite know who's father and who's son and who's you know, related or not, but we get a lot of these like, you know, handing down traits and wisdom and legacy, all this stuff. Like I I like how we're starting to see these patterns form.
Senkei: Yeah, but it's again this idea of passing on a purpose and goals is something you can see throughout multiple One Piece characters, right? Like you
Afo: Mm.
Senkei: said, Shanks is probably the biggest one from chapter one where he hands
Afo: Mm.
Senkei: Luffy the hat and this goal of give this back to me when you become a great pirate.
Keyser: Mm-hmm.
Afo: Yeah.
Senkei: And it gives a sense of purpose and obviously Shanks, th some of these characters haven't passed on, but it gives you this this sense of purpose in passing on this this will. And it keeps these characters in your memories. And so long as they're there, they will never truly die. so let's start wrapping this up. I want to ask the interesting question going back to how most people are forgotten within three or four generations. What would you as a person? And if you don't have an answer for this, that's fine. but what would you as a person want to be inherited? For future generations. if you can't think of an example
Keyser: You mean how like how would we want to be remembered?
Senkei: Yeah, w whether it's for something you did or
Keyser: Mm.
Senkei: knowledge you passed on, what is it that you would want to be inherited from you to the future?
Afo: My gaming skills.
Keyser: Yeah
Senkei: Non-existent. Next question.
Keyser: I fell off the building! I fell off the building!
Afo: no, no.
Senkei: I'm just a potato man.
Afo: It's a no, it's it's it's a very important question. I think I can't answer it now because it's it's a work in progress. It's working towards something that's bigger than me. Maybe, you know, helping on a smaller scale to help people get more education in the area where I come from. to be like I don't don't necessarily think that I want to put my name on it, but just To know that it's gonna live longer than my body does. You know, that's that's something. Yeah.
Keyser: Beautiful. Yeah, I think for me it's it's it's you know, leaving behind art in in all forms, you know, through whether it's music or like the even this, what we're creating now. We're creating something that lives on past potentially past us, but you know, that that engages people, has people talking and asking questions and you know, finding common ground in a beautiful piece of of medium that we all love. movies, film, you know, my concert venue. Like, I mean, the whole reason we built that was to give artists a place to to thrive, to play their music and and show off their their talent to hundreds of thousands of fans a year. So like that's what I would want to be remembered as is somebody who helped facilitate artists to to create their to create beautiful artwork for the world.
Senkei: That's beautiful. I love that. so I guess that's it from us. I know this video is a little impromptu and it's not usually what we do. for for reasons unknown Kaiser must once again abandon One Piece to go on a work adventure. And so we thought this might be something that we might want to discuss. Yes, Mr. Potato?
Afo: How dare you sneak your way out of that question? What would you like to be? is there another
Keyser: Yeah, you didn't answer.
Senkei: me.
Afo: me over here? In that frame is only one me.
Keyser: That's good catch, Afo. Don't let him get away with that.
Afo: yeah.
Senkei: Yeah.
Afo: Look at that smile. It only appears like once in a blue moon. Go ahead.
Senkei: I don't think I have anything to to be honest with you.
Keyser: That's not true. You work in in you you you Yeah, you Yeah, you save people's
Afo: Stop being humble. Come on. You treat people on daily basis. Come on.
Senkei: No, I
Keyser: lives inadvertently by ac Well you facilitate you facilitate the saving of people's lives.
Senkei: I do no such thing. That's not even close to what I do for
Afo: We're we're setting him up. We're setting him up real bad over here. He's gonna deny
Senkei: No, okay, that's that's
Afo: it.
Senkei: that's just a job. I mean I haven't I haven't thought about it, to be honest with you. I don't particularly have a dream or a goal for myself. I do I do think the the saying I'm not here for a long time, I'm here for a good time applies in my case.
Afo: Mm-hmm.
Senkei: But for me that good time at the very least i in the hopefully long term is seeing one piece through to the end. But on on the topic of what would I want inherited, I I don't think I have anything specific. that that I would particularly want to leave behind. I think I'm for the most part just just a pretty normal person and just try to get through it, you know?
Keyser: So your goal now is to find your purpose. That's this beautiful thing. We're we're on
Senkei: Yeah, I I suppose
Keyser: we're on that journey with you. It's pretty cool.
Afo: You have a purpose to find
Senkei: I appreciate that. Yeah.
Afo: your purpose. I like it.
Senkei: I I wouldn't mind being on that journey with the three of you. We will be back to our regular scheduled programming next week. We will be discussing chapters 155 to 166. give us your your feedback. We're curious to know. what you think about this kind of video. do you have any examples of people in your life that you think will live on? Yeah,
Keyser: I would love to hear other people's Yeah, absolutely.
Afo: Mm-hmm.
Senkei: please, please do leave us those comments. what is your interpretation of the meaning of the quote that Dr. Herook left us? drop it yeah, drop it in the comments.
Keyser: Mm. Hit those comments. We l we love to read Well, Sankey loves to read them. He he doesn't let us read them all the time, but I sneak in every once in a while. I sneak in every
Senkei: That is not true. Hey, I s
Afo: Only only the ones that don't have spoilers. So he has to filter them.
Senkei: Yes. So yeah, yeah,
Keyser: He blurs out the spoilers, which I love. That's awesome. I love the comments.
Afo: You you
Senkei: yeah.
Afo: you're you'll be remembered for being a great host, don't you worry.
Keyser: Ha ha.
Senkei: A great host for this professional One Piece podcast.
Afo: Throughout the history.
Keyser: That's right.
Senkei: Jesus. All right folks. We'll see you all next time. Bye.
Afo: Yeah.
Senkei: Yeah, what a quote,
Keyser: Herrlock What a quote.
Senkei: When does a man truly die? That's the question that Hirluck asks while he's dying, poisoned by a mushroom, surrounded by Whopp's men. And after everything he's been through, all he wants to do is try to provide treatment to the people who need it. And I think we've been thinking about that since we read that in the manga. So today we're gonna try to answer that question. And what the speech means to us. So let's start with the the speech itself. When does a man die? We discussed it a little bit already in the reading of Drum Island, but let's go over it one more time A man dies according to Doctor Hireluk when they're forgotten. I think that's a very profound thing and it and it makes a lot of sense, right? So long as your your physical body may be gone, but so long as your memory, your will, and the goals that you pass on to other people and you live on in their minds, you truly aren't dead in a sense.
Afo: It does make you question your whole life and what it sums up to, I think. You know, like when do you truly die and what do you leave behind when you do die? Right. And what are you remembered for? Such a powerful question. and this is like it's something that is echoed in religious texts, right, a lot. that you have to remember death. Doctor Herlook was a great reminder for me to think about my life actually in real life. Like what am I working towards? And when you do die, what is left behind? is it something good? Are you gonna be remembered for how long? And does any good come out of it after your physical body is gone? very, very powerful speech and a very, very powerful and important question to ask.
Keyser: Yeah, I mean it's the whole the whole concept of legacy, you know? Like what do you leave behind to create memories from either your family, you know, if you've if you have kids, obviously the your children are your are that that part of that legacy, but what was the the stat you were referring to earlier, Sanky? Is like after three or four generations that that legacy s tends to die off because they forget, you know, th those those last generations, but it's so funny because recently I was trying to get my Italian passport because I'm four generations Italian and I had to go search up all of the birth, death, marriage license records of my great grandfather who was born in Naples, Italy. And so I was I was in a way remembering I was bringing him back to life in those memories. I don't have any obviously any memories of him in the real world, but I was looking at all these documents and all this information and all these records from a man who, you know, was born in the eighteen hundreds, which is insane to think about really.
Afo: Mm-hmm.
Keyser: my grandmother was born in the in New York in the nine in the nineteen twenties. Like like a hundred
Afo: Mm. Mm-hmm.
Keyser: years ago. Like that's insane.
Afo: But that that also proves Dr. Hillock's point of your ancestors are alive in a way through the actions of yourself, like the values and the teachings that they've passed on to their kids and their kids to their kids, And you in current day live by those values, By the respect,
Keyser: Yeah.
Afo: by the kindness, right? All of that stuff, by the importance of pursuing your dreams. All of that has been passed on to you from your ancestors. So you even if you don't remember them by name every day, you actually are, you know
Keyser: Mm.
Afo: a living ex example of that lesson, what Doctor Hirlich says.
Keyser: you mentioned all very positive and meaningful aspects of of the memory of someone,
Afo: Mm-hmm.
Keyser: but it could also be bad. They could have also left bad
Senkei: Yes, of course.
Afo: yeah.
Keyser: negative traits in you that you are living on as well, which we see often very much, right? People people are taught how to live their life and they they carry those traits on and they don't always they're not always good traits.
Senkei: Yeah. But even even in and th those are the moments when that person has truly passed on, right? When they've sort of ended that legacy and they're are no longer being remembered or their teachings aren't being passed on. But even for a brief moment, like Kaiser said, when something does bring them bring bring you back to who they were or make you think about them in any way, they're sort of Obviously not really, but for just a brief moment that memory of them just brings them back to life,
Keyser: Yeah.
Senkei: if you will.
Keyser: Yeah. Yeah. It's an i it's it's a really interesting I mean, obvious that's that's, you know, one of the reasons why we have cemeteries, you know, to visit our loved ones. But once once the generations are gone, like if that let's say I don't have any kids, right? After I'm gone, my legacy is done, right? Because there's nobody left except maybe friends of mine who are younger, but then once they're gone. Right. Like the only thing left of me is this piece of marble sticking out of the ground with my name on it.
Afo: Mm.
Senkei: Mm-hmm.
Keyser: But people might walk by it and read it. You know, and so and but how long does that head headstone last? You know, if there's an earthquake or a flood or a or
Afo: Mm.
Keyser: you know, time passes, those things all disappear. So it's interesting, like nothing is permanent. Right. Nothing lasts forever. So even your legacy will eventually die die off because you will eventually be forgotten.
Afo: Yeah, and I I think that's that's the exact thing that it it makes you aware to that temporariness of this world and these things, the names and the labels and everything. And that's why people pursue bigger goals than their lives. Something that
Keyser: Yes.
Afo: stands above it all, It is they they create something that keeps producing good for for generations to come. It can be in the form of art. It can be in the form of a building. It can be in the form of a system. That they come up with. It's something that's continuous good. And that that that that helps them remember for for for ages to come.
Keyser: Absolutely. And so when you finally recognize your mortality and you know become aware of your mortality,
Afo: Mm-hmm.
Keyser: which a lot of people don't think about very often, but when you do, it can be very motivating for you to start
Afo: Mm-hmm.
Keyser: building something way bigger than yourself and start thinking less selfishly and and more, you know, in a grand scheme of things. How how will I be remembered and how do I want to be remembered? You know, do I want to be known as an entrepreneur, a a business creator, an artist? Do I want to create things that will last way beyond my life? and I know we have a lot of examples that we're gonna dig into about people who have who've done just that. But think about being a kid and reading this and getting a kind of a if you if you truly grasp the meaning of it when you're reading it, you know, even us as adults, but like some people don't. They kind of skim over the deep the depth of these things. But if you truly grasp
Afo: Mm.
Keyser: the meaning of this thing at a young age, it can hit you like a ton of bricks and maybe hopefully motivate you to to get your act together and really start thinking early about how what do I want to do so that I can be remembered in this life.
Afo: It's such a mature lesson for for for kids to learn at as early age as possible. And I think Oda doing that to like hundreds and thousands and millions of people around the world is just, you know, beautiful. And I keep saying that over and over again that I'm really, really jealous of Senki uh's ability and and like
Keyser: Yeah, you'd say that all.
Afo: yeah, to to to have experienced this at such a young age,
Senkei: I do remember reading this section for the first time as a kid and and like you said it does stick with you. It's it's not the kind of thing that you would normally think about in your day-to-day life.
Afo: Mm.
Senkei: when is a man forgotten? And it really puts a lot of things into context, right? like Kaiser said specifically, what I want to bring up is I don't know if there's if this is the actual term for it. But there's this concept of the three-generation limit. Most people, your average human being, will be forgotten in three to four generations, roughly 75 to 100 years. And the first generation, these are your children. They know you. They have direct contact with you. They've heard your voice. They know your habits. And then there's the second generation afterwards, your grandchildren. They may have met you, they may have heard stories about you, they may have very brief flashes of memory about who you were. But those grandchildren, their children, they might see you in a in a photograph here or there, but there is no personal connection to who you are. And then the g generation after that, you completely cease to exist. You
Afo: Mm.
Senkei: will have been a distant memory unless you're in a situation like Kaiser brought up where somebody has to go back and dig for this information. And then for a very brief moment, you come back to life in everyone's eyes. And I think this is one of the things this is, by the way, like for me probably top five or top ten quotes and lessons from from One Piece personally. And I think this really got me into learning about history in real life and looking back at things. Because this isn't a a verbatim quote from Dan Carlin, who does the podcast Hardcore History, but history ruins fiction for you. There there are so many incredible people and events in history that for some you would never believe actually happened in real life. And I think these people from history, the the names that we recognize, right, whether they be great generals, kings, leaders, all of these people, inventors will live forever, either through their inventions, their artwork, either the good or the bad they may have done in their life, where their names are remembered for generations. How often do you hear about characters from history, Julius Caesar, Leonardo da Vinci, all of these people that have had a direct impact on our lives?
Afo: Mm-hmm.
Senkei: And these are people, their legacy is so great, they truly will never be forgotten. And they're as inventors and artists especially are inspirations for generations to come. Their art is studied and imitated and technology
Afo: Mm-hmm.
Senkei: is built upon the foundations that were given to us by these people.
Keyser: Yeah, literally. Technology, I mean
Afo: Yeah.
Keyser: like Steve Jobs, you know, we'll we'll you know, unless something very dramatic happens to humanity, th we're gonna be using these these products for a very, very long time. Very dramatic. I'll be back.
Afo: Something dramatic. I love that. Side eye, something dramatic. Around the corner. But yeah, yeah, that that is you know, y y you you summarize it very well. The the legacy is not necessarily just like a biological thing of like your children. Because you have a blood relation. No. It's it's about ultimately it's about doing good for the world and doing good in a way that it lives on after your f you know, mortal shell is gone. That is that is the whole point of it.
Keyser: Yeah, if you do if you do something good, you know, something great, you will be remembered. But if you do something bad, it has to be epically bad to be remembered. Like you have to really go
Afo: Yeah.
Keyser: above and beyond to to to be remembered as a bad because most people don't want to have memories of that stuff. So it has to be
Senkei: Mm-hmm.
Keyser: so epically globally awful to be remembered. So, you know, you like let's be remembered for for the let's build something good and positive. It's much easier.
Senkei: Yes. But it it is also true that these villains from history will also be remembered forever. I th I think
Keyser: They will.
Senkei: there's the one the one that we will not name that's very obvious from the last hundred years,
Keyser: Voldemort? no. I know what you're talking about.
Senkei: but people like that too will be remembered forever. And look, not everybody's a saint,
Afo: Yeah.
Senkei: right? Some of the characters, characters I say. See, I again it's it's just so incredible that it's easy to forget. Yes, yes, yeah. Yeah.
Keyser: They are characters of history. Yeah.
Afo: These are characters, you're not wrong. Yeah.
Senkei: these people weren't perfect, right? Take Dr. Hero look from One Piece himself. He was not. Always the man that we remember him for. And I think one of the interesting things that brought about this video for me as well is rereading the arc. We all remember the speech. We remember the moment and what he did for Chopper. But he started off not as a good guy. He was a thief. And it wasn't until he found a profound realization and hope and inspiration that he came back to Drum Island and tried to do good for the future generations. And now he's remembered. as this I'm gonna say great doctor, but the jury is a little bit out whether or not he could treat patients the way he thought he could, seeing as how he has to literally tranquilize the wife of one of his patients. But he's remembered as this great man, but he always wasn't always as such.
Afo: Would give him the great doctor label because I think the point wasn't to use medicine to heal people, it was to heal their hearts. He was reaching
Senkei: Mm-hmm.
Afo: for something way deeper than just like the sickness, the physical sickness of people. which he accomplished, you know, like he instilled and refreshed that hope in people. And passed on his knowledge, whatever he knew, all the failed experiments to Chopper to carry with him. he definitely was a great doctor. I feel sad saying was. Like he's no more.
Senkei: Yeah. Well he he he's he's still around, you know. We just spent we spent
Afo: He's still around? Yeah. Yeah.
Keyser: We yeah, we've been talking about it for eighteen minutes. And he's
Afo: Yeah, yeah.
Senkei: the chapters that we read about Dr. Hireluk came out in two thousand and one. And here we are talking about them twenty-five years later,
Keyser: Twenty five years.
Senkei: over three weeks now. And I think a fictional
Afo: A fictional character. Let's go.
Senkei: character, and we have three hours worth of content based around this man. And so he really he isn't forgotten, he lives on.
Afo: Yeah, it's it's a powerful character. It actually teaches you another lesson in the same breath that you can change. It's never too late. Even if you're on the verge of death, there's still time to do good. And I think that's a very important lesson for for youngs to learn that. You know, like you're not all bad and y if you do a bad thing, that doesn't mean you're you're done and that's your life. No. You can you can change, you can pick a different direction and and do good.
Senkei: So I want to make this a little bit more personal and take it out of One Piece a little bit. for the three of us, I want to talk about who in our lives has passed on but has made a lasting impact for us and what keeps them alive in not just how we remember them, but what they inspired us to be or or to do. Are you guys down for that?
Keyser: Yeah, absolutely.
Afo: Yeah,
Senkei: Yeah, okay, I'll start since it was my idea. Okay.
Keyser: Yeah, go.
Senkei: it'll be a person that I know all of you are familiar with for sure. Growing up, we we would always watch the food network and the travel channel. isn't like a one off thing. Obviously, I have a lot of time spent on this this person's content, but His influence has directly changed how I travel, how I treat food, and beyond that, when it comes to connecting with other human beings of different cultures and languages, the person that I want to talk about is Anthony Bourdain, who
Keyser: Yeah.
Senkei: is who was a chef, a traveler. I think he would refer to himself as as more of a a storyteller or or an essayist, if you will. and this is actually very interesting timing that we're doing this video because they're making a movie about him called Tony by
Afo: Mm-hmm.
Senkei: A twenty four I think is the studio behind it.
Keyser: A twenty four's everything they do is amazing.
Senkei: I want to quote something that he said that is that I find very profound from his book called The The Nasty Bits. And he says, travel changes you. As you move through this life and this world, you change things slightly. You leave marks behind, however small, and in return life and travel leaves marks on you.
Afo: It was beautiful.
Senkei: I think I think that's a really beautiful way of looking at it because time does make a difference, right? There are different times in your life where you're interested in different things, you want to do different things, but all of your experiences, they come together and they shape who you are and who you're going to be. And he showed us this through his ability to travel, to connect with people over food. And it's given me this outlook on life where I want to go off the typical path. I don't want to create an itinerary of everywhere that I'm going, or I view food less as as simply sustenance and more as culture and shared experience. But for him, it it was never just about the food. It was about y who you are as a person and the person that you're sitting across at the same table as you and the meal you're sharing.
Keyser: Yeah, he was a beautiful soul too. Very, very touched, you know, by by I mean he was a tortured soul, but he was v he was touched by by exceptionalism. you know, he he had he had the like all of the elements of of celebrity. You know, he was very talented, he was a great storyteller, he was a good looking guy. You know, he had all the elements that it took to make a to make a memorable character. Unfortunately he was a tortured soul, so he left the this earth way too soon. Although it can be said the the brightest stars burn out fastest, that kind of theory is like
Afo: Mm-hmm.
Keyser: is he more memorable now because of the the his shorter life? You know, potentially. Potentially.
Afo: Mm-hmm. Yeah, I I I don't know if this is what he said, but I did read it somewhere and I also heard it from somebody that he said that and I live by this, even if he didn't say it, that I don't like people that don't like food. I don't trust people that don't like food. I've said it to Senki before. Yeah. I
Keyser: Yeah, I think he
Senkei: Yes, yeah.
Afo: I do not I do not trust people that don't like flavors and different types of food and they're like, you know, I just it it says it yeah, it's
Keyser: Yeah. Yeah. no, I agree. I also did you did you ever hear the statement like, Don't trust a skinny chef?
Afo: Ha ha Hey the deer the the proof is in the pudding, you know. You gotta look at it. but
Keyser: That's right.
Senkei: Yeah.
Afo: yeah, that's such a true, true statement, you know. And from what I know, I like I don't know as much as Senke does, but from what I know about him was he loved to travel, he welcomed different cultures and loved to learn about them. The food itself was just an I would say. Just an excuse to learn more about the world. And it's one of those things that you can just sit at the table across a person that speaks a different language is completely from a different part of the world and share a meal with with them, taste their food and tells you a lot about them. So I I love that. I love that.
Keyser: Yeah. Great example.
Senkei: Yeah, and he he was an thank you, thank you. He's an inspiration for so many that are not only chefs or cooks in the in a kitchen. There's a whole subreddit based off of the name of of his book, Kitchen Confidential, where you know these sh chefs share their stories and experiences of their days in the restaurant business. and they're all of these travel channels on YouTube where, you know, they were inspired by his work to get out their travel the world and share their experiences as well as well in these connections that they built with people. So I think for me he is one of my personal examples of somebody that will never be forgotten and and he will live on.
Keyser: Yeah, it's definitely a timeless character for sure. I I think it might be obvious who who I chose just based on the the the room I'm sitting in. But you know, I mean as a kid I was profoundly attracted to comic books, the stories, the artwork, the heroes, the villains, and Stan Lee. for me, for my generation, growing up in the seventies and eighties and nineties, was the sort of prolific developer of that universe, specifically Marvel. he created the most memorable characters that we still, you know, hinge our culture on, you know, Spider Man being probably the most famous, but he invented the the Avengers, you the Hulk, Daredevil, Thor. Iron Man, like ever think of it ev even Doctor Doom, you know, who is now the the new antagonist of the of an entirely new arc of of films that are coming starting in in December. this is this is a person who who was relentless in his pursuit of creating legends that you know will live well, well, well beyond him. And he passed in twenty eighteen. So we're you know, we're eight years now past his his passing, but up until the time of his death, he was still writing and in and developing new characters and editing Marvel Comics and doing cameo appearances in every one of the films that you could still see him in starting from Iron Man one. And so this is this is a person who created an entire universe that we all live in and thrive in. You know, I mean as you can see, one of the most popular mediums in in our in in the world, translated in every language possible. And still come out every month. Hundreds and hundreds of of books come out every month and they're printed by the millions. So That's that's a pretty big legacy to to leave this world with.
Afo: it's it's just unbelievable to think like all these threads lived inside his head. Like all these ideas for Spider Man, for Hulk, for Iron Man, all that stuff. Bring them together, separate them, put them in different, you know, storylines. It's just just amazing work.
Keyser: And and very similar
Senkei: And regardless.
Keyser: well, very similar to Oda, you know, ensuring that he is true to the to the readers and the fans every single month by making sure that these characters stay true to themselves and there's no i idiosyncrasies or or misconceptions or weird timelines that don't make sense, right? Like it's a it's a very it's a big responsibility.
Afo: Yeah. And you know what? I actually wish that Oda does learn the secret to a long life from Dr. Koreja and lives for for three hundred years at least. So he can keep making these stories.
Senkei: Ha ha.
Keyser: Well, we are gonna be doing this podcast until we're 90. So he did
Afo: He probably already
Senkei: And so we're ninety.
Keyser: Stan had had a a great quote that I that I love, and I actually think that this makes a lot of sense for for for what we're reading currently. But his his quote that I picked was I guess one person can make a difference. You know, when you break that down to it's it's very simple, but it's like You anybody can do it if you're willing to put in the time and the work.
Afo: Yeah, and and that's how that's how collection also works. Everybody has to be convinced that they can make a difference for everybody to act. If you're relying on you on on Senki, Senki's relying on me, I'm not taking action, I'm relying on you. It it doesn't work. You have to be convinced to take action, everybody and each one of us to make a difference, and that's how it works. for me, I don't think my example could compete with with Senki's or Kaisers. It's on like on the quieter end. there's an actor, I don't know, for those of you who know, called Irfan Khan. his main career was in Bollywood, but he does have a good amount of films with Hollywood as well. The actor from Life of Pi, have you guys seen Life of Pi? Yeah. The storyteller, the the narrator. yes. That's Irfan Khan.
Keyser: yes, beautiful movie. I I w didn't even know he passed.
Senkei: Yes, yes, of course.
Afo: He is Okay, I grew up like ninety-nine percent of my life, I grew up watching Bollywood movies. I actually learned Hindi from Bollywood movies. And in our family, we all loved Ir Irfan Khan. You know, in every movie that even if he had like two minutes of screen time, he just stole the show. He's one of those actors. If you put him in a movie, the the main actor or protagonist was in trouble all the time. But
Keyser: Yeah.
Afo: It's just his movies, some of his movies are like every script that he chose were was really important. It wasn't like a money grab kind of actor either. It was very intentional. His last movie that he did was was called Angrazy Medium, and then before that one I think it was Life of Pi. Both of these movies talks about really, really important life lessons and really important questions to ask. the last movie that he did, Angrizy Medium, talks about the the difficulty of a pair navigating between protective love to protect your kids and keep them at home and keep them safe, compared to leaving them to pursue their dreams. It's just I keep thinking about him.
Keyser: Awesome.
Senkei: Yeah, he was a phenomenal actor. these are people again who are imm immortalized in the work that they've done. And so long as it exists, they will also still be around, even though they have physically left our our world. I did want to flip this on its head just a little bit. but what do you think about we've we've talked about inspiration and leaving behind this this the inheritance of of this will for someone else to carry on your work for you, which we will in a second discuss, but what do you think about the burden that might be left behind as well? Specifically, let's say in One Piece, for example, Dalton, this is Kaiser's theory, is that Dalton will one day become the king of Drum Island. And He will build a better future for the people, and he was inspired to do so by Dr. Hireluk in this moment. But what if Dalton doesn't want the responsibility of becoming the leader? He wants to change the kingdom. And as we know now that we finished the arc, Whopple is gone, so the threat against the kingdom is gone. But will he step up to be the leader? And is he equipped, is he the right person to do this, or is this now a burden that he has to shoulder for himself?
Keyser: Yeah, it's an interesting concept, right? The the big shoes that that you now have to fill, you know, A, do you even want it? And B, if you do want it, can you do it? You know, that's a that's a that's a heavy burden. the weight of the responsibility. You know, I look I I I and I think Dalton's a great example of that because if my theory is correct, he will take on the mantle as the new leader of Drum Island, but that doesn't mean that they're out of danger. You know, Blackbeard came up and showed up and apparently, you know, walloped Wapole. So and Dalton couldn't do anything against against him. So what's to say that Blackbeard or some other power wouldn't come back. So he might even have like PTSD or like from that experience and be like, now I'm good. You know, no thanks. But the people I would assume are going to need a ruler and he seems to be the next in line. So will he feel the responsibility is greater than the fear, you know, and take that, take that mantle on. So that those are the things that interest me is like the motivations for people to fill that void, you know, with hopefully with with good intent.
Afo: That that can be applied to to a son as well. For example, their father was a great man and did a lot of great things. The son is trying to live up to his father, right? When the the father is gone and to live up live up to his legacy, and people perceive him like they're they're they're gonna compare the two. They're like, well, you're nothing like your father. It can be a burden, you know, even though the the parent, whoever's passed away. did a lot of good things for the community and set a really great example, but it's still for for the kid, for the son who's trying, i it can be difficult to fill those shoes in. So
Senkei: Yeah.
Keyser: Yeah, very much so. In fact, it it can even become so burdensome that they fail dramatically
Afo: Mm-hmm.
Keyser: throughout their entire life because they're living in that shadow. You know, they're like, there's no way
Afo: The standards are set? Yeah, the standards are set. Yeah it's
Senkei: Yes.
Keyser: I'm going to ever be as good as that. So I might as well not even try.
Senkei: Mm-hmm.
Afo: Yeah.
Senkei: I that's that's actually an interesting perspective to bring up because I think, a lot of these great fathers that you see, gonna use a an example from a fictional situation in a moment here, but a lot of these great fathers that you see are so busy being great that they don't have a lot of time left to be fathers. So they are absent out of the lives of these children and they aren't there to directly teach them and guide them in the way that they should be taught and guided.
Keyser: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Senkei: the example that I want to use is Gladiator, where Marcus Aurelius is this great leader, one of my favorite philosophers, but his son is the the antagonist in the film. And it's not even close. Not even close. And I think that's that's a perfect example just to keep it in the realm of of fiction in that movie, where, you know, because he was so busy being a great leader, the Emperor of Rome, and this incredible philosopher that he couldn't pass those lessons down to Commodus commodist?
Keyser: Commonists.
Senkei: commodus, sorry.
Afo: Mm-hmm.
Senkei: my favorite movie. And I'm completely plumbing the names. but yeah, and then that's that's how we get in that situation, you know, and and it's again it's that that sense of burden where like okay, this was them, but why should it be me? Why can't I just enjoy all this power that I have that was built on their legacy?
Keyser: That's a good example of of living in a shadow, tremendous shadow, and just growing up to feel completely unworthy. that he didn't even bother trying. That dude was tormented.
Afo: Mm.
Keyser: Tormented.
Afo: Yeah, it's it's a difficult thing to to be on the receiving end of like living under somebody's legacy, which is very difficult to surpass.
Keyser: Yeah. unless you're an extremely motivated individual and you take on the challenge, you know, and you're like, I'll give it my best shot. Or or or you don't care. Or you don't care.
Afo: Or or you don't really care. Or you don't really care being compared. Yeah. Or you're like, you know what? That was my father. I'm different. Yeah.
Keyser: Remove the ego. I'm gonna live my own life. Right.
Afo: Or the community becomes a little, self aware. They're like, you know what? This is a different kid. It doesn't have those gifts. So let him go. Let him be.
Keyser: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Let yeah. Seek your own path.
Senkei: take Wapple for example. Wapple's father was a great king, Dalton remembers him
Afo: Mm-hmm.
Senkei: as such, and then Wapple himself is just awful.
Afo: Yeah, we don't know how involved the king was in raising Waple. You know, like what lessons
Senkei: Yeah.
Afo: did he try to instill in him from
Keyser: Yeah, look at Hel Meppo too. What a mess that dude is.
Afo: So many
Senkei: Yeah.
Afo: examples. Yeah.
Senkei: Yeah. the concept of inherited will. So I brought this up when we did our second part of Drum Island. I brought the quote from Roger in chapter one hundred, which I'll I'll reread here. an inherited strength of will, one's dreams, and the ebb and flow of the ages. As long as people hunger for freedom, these things will exist. this is the man who on the day of his execution started the great pirate era in the world. And while that may not be this one-to-one example of a single person inheriting a will, this is now a collective group of people being influenced to do something great, to pursue
Afo: Pursue. Mm-hmm.
Senkei: something. And in doing so, the king of the pirates. will live on forever. For the Marines it's a nightmare that this man started this age of piracy. For the pirates that are interested in treasure, his name will echo through the ages of time.
Keyser: Mm-hmm.
Afo: I mean yeah, we we've seen it over and over again through Shanks, you know, passing on his will to to Luffy about exploration and becoming a pirate. We saw it through the medium of stories to Usopp from Yasop, and then we see it from Doctor
Senkei: That is not a thing. That is not a thing. You need to stop saying that. We have no
Afo: That's not a thing?
Senkei: we have no confirmation that Yassa passed on stories to Usa.
Afo: But where d but where do they come from? I'm gonna assume that's the Yasop stories passed on to Usopp. Well there might be. Okay.
Senkei: You're you're free to assume, but don't say it like it's true.
Afo: Okay, okay, all right, all right. I'll take it back. But then Okay,
Senkei: We're gonna we're gonna get in trouble for that.
Afo: we're we're one piece first time we're over here.
Senkei: There you go.
Afo: and then we we also saw it with the Chopper and Dr. look. You know, like this is a recurring theme and we also see it in our real lives every day.
Keyser: There's definitely there's definitely a a a sort of a message of like passing down wisdom, you know, handing down there's there's a generational thing. There's like a sort of a family legacy threaded theme going on all the time. We don't quite know who's father and who's son and who's you know, related or not, but we get a lot of these like, you know, handing down traits and wisdom and legacy, all this stuff. Like I I like how we're starting to see these patterns form.
Senkei: Yeah, but it's again this idea of passing on a purpose and goals is something you can see throughout multiple One Piece characters, right? Like you
Afo: Mm.
Senkei: said, Shanks is probably the biggest one from chapter one where he hands
Afo: Mm.
Senkei: Luffy the hat and this goal of give this back to me when you become a great pirate.
Keyser: Mm-hmm.
Afo: Yeah.
Senkei: And it gives a sense of purpose and obviously Shanks, th some of these characters haven't passed on, but it gives you this this sense of purpose in passing on this this will. And it keeps these characters in your memories. And so long as they're there, they will never truly die. so let's start wrapping this up. I want to ask the interesting question going back to how most people are forgotten within three or four generations. What would you as a person? And if you don't have an answer for this, that's fine. but what would you as a person want to be inherited? For future generations. if you can't think of an example
Keyser: You mean how like how would we want to be remembered?
Senkei: Yeah, w whether it's for something you did or
Keyser: Mm.
Senkei: knowledge you passed on, what is it that you would want to be inherited from you to the future?
Afo: My gaming skills.
Keyser: Yeah
Senkei: Non-existent. Next question.
Keyser: I fell off the building! I fell off the building!
Afo: no, no.
Senkei: I'm just a potato man.
Afo: It's a no, it's it's it's a very important question. I think I can't answer it now because it's it's a work in progress. It's working towards something that's bigger than me. Maybe, you know, helping on a smaller scale to help people get more education in the area where I come from. to be like I don't don't necessarily think that I want to put my name on it, but just To know that it's gonna live longer than my body does. You know, that's that's something. Yeah.
Keyser: Beautiful. Yeah, I think for me it's it's it's you know, leaving behind art in in all forms, you know, through whether it's music or like the even this, what we're creating now. We're creating something that lives on past potentially past us, but you know, that that engages people, has people talking and asking questions and you know, finding common ground in a beautiful piece of of medium that we all love. movies, film, you know, my concert venue. Like, I mean, the whole reason we built that was to give artists a place to to thrive, to play their music and and show off their their talent to hundreds of thousands of fans a year. So like that's what I would want to be remembered as is somebody who helped facilitate artists to to create their to create beautiful artwork for the world.
Senkei: That's beautiful. I love that. so I guess that's it from us. I know this video is a little impromptu and it's not usually what we do. for for reasons unknown Kaiser must once again abandon One Piece to go on a work adventure. And so we thought this might be something that we might want to discuss. Yes, Mr. Potato?
Afo: How dare you sneak your way out of that question? What would you like to be? is there another
Keyser: Yeah, you didn't answer.
Senkei: me.
Afo: me over here? In that frame is only one me.
Keyser: That's good catch, Afo. Don't let him get away with that.
Afo: yeah.
Senkei: Yeah.
Afo: Look at that smile. It only appears like once in a blue moon. Go ahead.
Senkei: I don't think I have anything to to be honest with you.
Keyser: That's not true. You work in in you you you Yeah, you Yeah, you save people's
Afo: Stop being humble. Come on. You treat people on daily basis. Come on.
Senkei: No, I
Keyser: lives inadvertently by ac Well you facilitate you facilitate the saving of people's lives.
Senkei: I do no such thing. That's not even close to what I do for
Afo: We're we're setting him up. We're setting him up real bad over here. He's gonna deny
Senkei: No, okay, that's that's
Afo: it.
Senkei: that's just a job. I mean I haven't I haven't thought about it, to be honest with you. I don't particularly have a dream or a goal for myself. I do I do think the the saying I'm not here for a long time, I'm here for a good time applies in my case.
Afo: Mm-hmm.
Senkei: But for me that good time at the very least i in the hopefully long term is seeing one piece through to the end. But on on the topic of what would I want inherited, I I don't think I have anything specific. that that I would particularly want to leave behind. I think I'm for the most part just just a pretty normal person and just try to get through it, you know?
Keyser: So your goal now is to find your purpose. That's this beautiful thing. We're we're on
Senkei: Yeah, I I suppose
Keyser: we're on that journey with you. It's pretty cool.
Afo: You have a purpose to find
Senkei: I appreciate that. Yeah.
Afo: your purpose. I like it.
Senkei: I I wouldn't mind being on that journey with the three of you. We will be back to our regular scheduled programming next week. We will be discussing chapters 155 to 166. give us your your feedback. We're curious to know. what you think about this kind of video. do you have any examples of people in your life that you think will live on? Yeah,
Keyser: I would love to hear other people's Yeah, absolutely.
Afo: Mm-hmm.
Senkei: please, please do leave us those comments. what is your interpretation of the meaning of the quote that Dr. Herook left us? drop it yeah, drop it in the comments.
Keyser: Mm. Hit those comments. We l we love to read Well, Sankey loves to read them. He he doesn't let us read them all the time, but I sneak in every once in a while. I sneak in every
Senkei: That is not true. Hey, I s
Afo: Only only the ones that don't have spoilers. So he has to filter them.
Senkei: Yes. So yeah, yeah,
Keyser: He blurs out the spoilers, which I love. That's awesome. I love the comments.
Afo: You you
Senkei: yeah.
Afo: you're you'll be remembered for being a great host, don't you worry.
Keyser: Ha ha.
Senkei: A great host for this professional One Piece podcast.
Afo: Throughout the history.
Keyser: That's right.
Senkei: Jesus. All right folks. We'll see you all next time. Bye.
Afo: Yeah.
