#59 Fred Eichler - The Thrill of The Chase

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I have the pleasure of introducing a guess that for me, this is a truly full circle moment with the podcast that somebody that I personally have grown up watching on Outdoor Channel.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I've always been fascinated by the way that he reacts to a successful hunt and the way he carries himself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But even more importantly, he is chosen a very
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[SPEAKER_03]: unique path in the industry and has always gone towards the traditional bow and hunter with that and everybody knows that listed as podcast that's the basis of our foundation and anything traditional bow related is what gets us fired up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so without further ado, I'm excited to introduce tonight's guest Fred Eichler.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How you doing, Mike Fred?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Matt I'm doing great man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is such an honor to be a part of a podcast that's given back and you guys do that and I really my hats off to you guys for that and I'm just honored to be on here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That does mean more than us than you realize this is going to be a fun one tonight.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know and a lot of people are going to get a bunch out of it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So thank you for your time and advance.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I want to kick us off.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I want to talk about just your experience in the outdoor industry as one of the few who hunts primarily with the traditional boat.
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[SPEAKER_03]: How has that been over the years?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Has things changed?
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[SPEAKER_03]: As of recent, you fight more people are getting into it and can you just highlight that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, of course, Matt, I'm so fortunate because in the industry, there are some great people, and it seems like people that, of course, I'm biased, but people that hunt and especially people that I don't know what life fishing is to fishing traditional bow hunting is to bow hunting or to hunting in general.
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[SPEAKER_02]: people to me that are very like-minded, but I was so fortunate in the fact that I got to meet some amazing people and have some amazing mentors that were willing to teach me a lot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: One of my early jobs was working at Bear Archery and I got to work under Frank Scott.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We worked for Fred Bears since he was a coach.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think 14 years old or something like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And literally, that's the guy that put a traditional bow in my hand really as far as teaching me a lot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: My dad, of course, got me into hunting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But Frank Scott, men like Mike Palmer and Jim Woodmire got me into traditional archery.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so many people were one of the share their passion and their knowledge.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I gravitated to the traditional bow because I just loved it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just fun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It puts fun back into archery.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And like a lot of people I started with a compound.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was one of those things where if you weren't hitting a two inch circle at 20 yards I was frustrated or it was it became more mechanical.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I took the fun out of it in a way, and when I picked up the traditional bow and fortunately that was really early on, it was like, oh, now this is fun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because I was slinging arrows at pine cones and would have been anything just haven't fun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I've been very fortunate in the outdoor industry as far as having some great mentors that shared a lot of information with me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know you're content, but I'll watch some of the years.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You always are having fun.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's no doubt about that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know that's probably your personality.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But what you said around how you're shooting a traditional bow and it being fun, it's funny because there's these common things that we run into with people that we do podcast with and guess.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it doesn't matter how long they've been shooting traditional bow, whether they've been doing it for 30 or 40 years.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They've only been doing it for a few years.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That same message seems to always come across.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They do it because they just enjoy shooting the boat.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just a dick thing and I don't I feel the same way and I've been doing it for a decade now and I don't know what's what it is it's so a dick thing, but it is fun to watch that arrow and flight and
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[SPEAKER_03]: look at something and hit it and it being stintive.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's different.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how to describe.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's often how we end when we talk about that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a magical flight of the arrow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And people have tried to describe it till they actually shoot it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's hard to do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's what's falling.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm a big 10 theory guy, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't matter to me whether you shoot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No.
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[SPEAKER_02]: compound across bowl right full of shotgun, whatever your jam is throwing a spear doesn't matter to me, but everybody wants to introduce people to their sport and things that they're passionate about, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what's that's what's fun to me is I'm one of those guys.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess Fred Bear said it best, like he wanted to put a traditional bow or bow in the hands of everybody because he thought once they shoot a bow, they're going to fall in love with it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's been my attitude.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's no matter what,
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[SPEAKER_02]: No matter how you enjoy being outdoors or what weapon you choose, I'm one of those people that I think, boy, if I can put a reaker bow in somebody's hand, they're going to fall in love with it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's just been the case so many times.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's great.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's really, it's a great outlook.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Do you feel like nowadays, I feel personally, there's more people that are starting to try to shoot a traditional boat, at least on the social media front.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We seem like we run across more people.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're interested in it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Do you feel that way as well on your side, as far as the industry goes?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Is there more people that you're running into or maybe you work alongside of, that are to express an interest or try it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I would agree with that 100% and there there's so much information available that wasn't back when I started so it's amazing people can Google anything or like you said went to your reference social media looking up YouTube videos anything and learn so much and there's so much knowledge out there that I think a lot of people were intimidated because everybody of course was shooting sort of showbuffers it was Recurs a lot both of the only options for logged i've been compounds came out and then
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[SPEAKER_02]: Really a lot of that art certainly not with everyone a lot of that kind of got lost It would be like working on vehicles everybody at one time change their own oil the people know how to do it still Sure, but did so many people go to quick loop in all these other whatever I don't know quick loops even the biggest
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[SPEAKER_02]: that is it's people are coming back to that and there's all kinds of information available and people can learn and yes I agree and yes I agree with you 100% I think a lot more people are going to long bows, precursors and really enjoying it and seeing why we're so passionate about it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's great.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It really is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, for you, you've been doing this for a very long time, Sugar Traditional Boat.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Indeed.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Do you still shoot your bow off during the off season and during the season as far as in the back yard, just practice and then keeping your reps and you still do that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what?
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a great question.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And yes, I'll also be 100% honest.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've been so busy last couple months.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've shot less than I have in years, unfortunately, but normally now don't give you wrong.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm still flinging arrows.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Normally, yes, my routine is to shoot one arrow every day is what I usually try and do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I'm constantly trying to stay tuned up and shoot my bow and right now I'm getting ready for turkeys.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's it's something that's a part of my regular routine and I've talked about this for my normal routine is right now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm dropping calves on the ground and me and the boys are super busy getting ready for season and planting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Normally I like to shoot one arrow day no matter how busy I am I usually try and squeeze in that one arrow and I think that's the best hunting practice you can have on the days that I have more time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I like shooting up a lot of arrows and I am a goofball.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I like shooting them at 60 and 70 yards like I like shooting arrow at five yards.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I like shooting them at 70, but it doesn't matter, but I just like watching that arrow zip out there and in my normal routine of one arrow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In the morning, I think about it all day and I'll try and put all my concentration to that one shot because a hunting situation, you really only get one shot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Normally, I don't really care so much.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Everything I do is geared around hunting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't really care so much about where my second shot, third shot or fifth shot goes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If I'm goofing off or having fun, it's all about that first arrow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I put a lot of emphasis into that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think anybody that listens to this, they need to really just think about especially their new to traditional archery and maybe they've been struggling.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They've had a tough season that Fred Eichler, you heard it first, that he still is often as he can, shoots his bow and he's trying, if unless he's just too busy, he's shoot at least one arrow a day.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think that is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: brings back everything that you said earlier that there's some people that they still change their old and some people they don't and there's nothing wrong with that but if you want to be successful and this part of the hunting world and to take in a paternitional bug primarily you need to practice, you put the time in and it'll reflect one way the other whether you do or you don't.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, you're exactly right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it just it comes your mind comes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a beautiful thing and you close things out and you just watch the beautiful flight of an arrow.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's awesome.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And if that's after a long day when you just worn out mentally and exhausted or even physically, it's just fun to be able to at least get a couple shots in and it can kind of after a long day.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, sir.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Talk about
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[SPEAKER_03]: for you, maybe a hunt, a specific hunt that stands out the most.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You've been on all these hunts.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You've funded all these type of game over the years, all these different places in the world.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Talk about one that stands out to you, and maybe why that's the case.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Man, they all stand out a lot, and I know you know that as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And for every squirrel hunt, rabbit hunt, they all stand out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But one that was really, the ones that stand out in my mind, the ones that I worked so hard to stat.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm one of those guys that I really enjoyed pushing myself, whether it's physically, mentally, whether it's on all day sit, on all day hike, and all day stalk, things like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But one that was a real turning point for me would have been the grizzly bear.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I wear grizzly bear around my claw, around my neck, almost every day.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was a hero like my father was to me as well, but Fred bear where's my dad was my hunting and overall hero Fred bear was that that traditional hunting bow hunting hero Yeah, and the ones that really stood out to me and my mind watching Fred bear as a young man and reading his field notes
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[SPEAKER_02]: was the prom bear and the grizzly bears, the something about the bears and Fred loved it, and it probably had something to do with his name too, it was bread bear and the ones that were iconic were that Kodiak bear on that giant brown bear on Kodiak island.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I remember the name of his boat, the valiant maiden, the grizzly bears that would stand up at front of him and I got to watch a video one time that Fred missed his big grizzly bear that stood up twice.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was still plenty to watch it, but the grizzly bears he seems super passionate about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I became passionate about it when I went on a hunt and I've talked about this before, but I think most people can relate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Have you ever been on a hunt where it just didn't turn out the way you thought in your mind and dreaming about it your whole life?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought my grizzly bear hunt was going to be like Fred Bears, and I was going to see a lot of bears, and it was going to be awesome.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I got there and the weather was miserable and I was freezing and there were no bears.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The guys were like, oh, we're just not planning to be bear here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So when I ran into the one bear we did and got lucky and made this big stalk and was walking up the hill and the bear stood up in front of me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was one of those.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was amazing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the fact that I got lucky and I made two great shots of the bear and the bear dropped, it was like, I felt
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[SPEAKER_02]: like what Fred Bear must have felt like.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was just, I guess it was like getting closer to your mentor or your hero or somebody who had looked up to because I was like, man, I'm actually standing over this giant grizzly bear.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Then I just took with a recurrent bow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, they all stand out, Matt, but that one, that was a, wow, I think I could really, and I can, if I could take a grizzly bear, I can take anything and you're going to laugh about this, but I actually reflect.
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[SPEAKER_02]: on that in my mind all the time on hunts when I start getting super excited on a rabbit or overly excited on a deer and that adrenaline started to take over too much and I'm shaking and my arrows shaking on the end of my other people and I'm like Fred you've shot a grizzly bear you've got to calm down you this is a white tail doe man calm down so I run for a walk back on that bear a lot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I saw some, I remember that on it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I remember watching that on TV.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That was the one that you took off running after your guide was freaking out, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, that's what I love about you Fred.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's just, it's, that attitude and the way you react is, it's addicting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's so addicting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Even if somebody is really reserved, it's a very addicting reaction that you have.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think it's what draws a lot of people and is your excitement, because that's,
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[SPEAKER_03]: people don't always react like that out out of open, but internally they're filling that way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so for you to do that and your guys like that wasn't awesome.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That was awesome.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I appreciate that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll tell you something about the excitement.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It could be a negative two.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And when I when I was very first asked to do the TV show and I saw myself, I was like, you need to cut all that out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And what's funny is I had done some traditional harvest videos and I would cut out my reaction because I was embarrassed by it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought I
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it was so funny because when I very first started working with the East and it did a show I said can you cut this stuff out and they were like no we love that no man That because I would drive it's like let me if you let me calm down I can do it like and sound normal
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[SPEAKER_03]: No one wants you to sound normal.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That was a smart move on Easton because it's so drawing the way that it works out and all falls into place the way you're at.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And people that hunt with traditional boat, they feel that way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know I still that way when it works out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it doesn't matter how long you've been doing it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And oftentimes it's because of how hard you've worked and things hadn't fallen in the place.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And if it did work out just like in life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we related back to life so much.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But if we were always worked out in life,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Eventually you just become numb to success and it would not you wouldn't react that way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: My dad, I'll tell you this is a funny story and I don't know that I've talked about this before, but my dad, you know, it was very young.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We hunted public land.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We didn't have the money for leases or any of that stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we grew up hunting hard pressured public plants.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And after another day of being unsuccessful, I was walking back with my bow and my dad said, Freddy said it wouldn't be any fun if we got one every time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was, I think I was 12 or 13 and I was like, yeah, wooded.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think you're crazy, that doesn't even make sense to me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to get what every single time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so this little gym, this little piece of gold that you're supposedly handed me down, saying it wouldn't be fun if you go on every time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if I buy that, Dad, but
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[SPEAKER_02]: To your point, end of my father's now as I've matured and am a father, you're correct.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What you said is a hundred percent correct and we find successful when we find it, but it's the struggles and the times you aren't successful that make those successful hunts so much better.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I've also learned to glean
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[SPEAKER_02]: have a successful home where I get one or not.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I was on a on a hunt Norgon this last year and it was so special.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was so special to me too and it was awesome and we didn't get a didn't get an elk and at the end of the
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[SPEAKER_02]: Huh, literally the last evening it was a bull bugle and then the dark and just sat there and listened to it and it was like what an amazing hunt this was.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've also learned that find success in just hearing a bull bugle or getting close or having people you care about around you and just having fun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's sometimes this success isn't necessarily in the animal that's what you learned about yourself or your what you learned about your body or what you learned about the animal or what you're going to take back on the next time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're right, you're what you said is a hundred percent right, but if you're successful every time it would dull it
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, it's great.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think people might think we beat dead horses often on this podcast.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So we'd like to talk about that a lot for me and for the rest of us, it's just it's so important to understand why you're doing it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And you just get caught up and it's got to work out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we're all guilty of it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's got to work out and when it doesn't, and it often doesn't, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Just like in life, you got to celebrate the small wins.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You eventually use get burned out and you're defeated and it's not fun.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So you got to stay positive in the moment.
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[SPEAKER_03]: remember why you're doing it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Remember the special moment and the break you're getting to the time outside of the time with family.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We talk about a lot because I think we want to keep repeating out loud so that we can then need to buy into it personally so I can do talk about it so much.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's funny, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: We could just, we could talk about it because we are so passionate about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's so much fun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've come back with Hanson gone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Man, that was an amazing day because the hummingbird landed on my arrow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How cool was that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's, and that's what I've tried to impress upon other people too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And as an outputter and a guy that takes a lot of people hunting, I feel sad for people that
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[SPEAKER_02]: that don't take it all in that don't enjoy every sunrise enjoy the sunset enjoy all the cool other animals it may not even be the animal you're after that you get to see your I'm that goofball that if I see a bird I don't recognize I'm man I'm grabbing that out of bond birdbook and and flip it through there to find it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's so true.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a great wise words.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He just shared other than that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Is there anything else you if you think back that maybe you would have told your younger self and it can be related to traditional bow or hunting in general.
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[SPEAKER_02]: get the most out of every day in the field and try not to have a bad day in the field.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Don't beat yourself up on things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not, I'm a competitive person with myself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I compete with myself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I strive to do my best.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I guess there's anything I would have told my young self.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was as long as you in every day and say, man, I did my best.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And like you said, that applies to life.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I did my best.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if I didn't get one, that's okay, because I did my best and I learned something from it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Whether I failed, whether I didn't work out like I wanted it to, I learned something from that failure, or from that unsuccessful hunt, or things that happen in life.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I love that you referenced hunting in life, because I think there's a lot of parallels there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I really do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's great, yeah, that's really good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I personally, I struggle, I don't know why, I guess it's the same thing being competitive and having high standard true self.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not just related to hunting and being anything alive.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And you hold yourself to eye-standard and when it doesn't work out, it is hard.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It is hard.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You have to remind yourself of that if you have that personality, it's great, it's great.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The next thing I want to talk about is something that is, I would say, probably my favorite thing we're going to touch on the night was all been great, but the moose hunt you had in Alaska,
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[SPEAKER_03]: I would say, if I had to repeat a video and watch it multiple times with Fred Eichler, it was that moose hunt to where you had this moose come into rain, call it in, shoot the moose.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It runs down within sight and falls over in the bog and you just lose your mind.
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[SPEAKER_03]: get face mask off and run down to the moose and that the whole time I watch or the 15 million pounds I've watched it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like the same way every time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Just get excited to get really pumped up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I want to moose on and can it a couple of years ago.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It didn't work out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm actually going back this year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's probably another reason why this is one of the ones I want to really talk about.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because I just I can see that all coming together and seeing that your success is it is
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[SPEAKER_03]: Can you talk about that on a no-all block in a million times with talk about like the whole process?
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, there's so much that people don't see it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And sometimes that kills me because sometimes will have 10 hours of footage or 20 hours of footage or 30 hours of footage and you have to content that into a
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[SPEAKER_02]: into 23 minutes of footage for TV show and there's been times where I'm like, oh my gosh, you didn't show the eagle grab of the salmon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Would you didn't show this?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like how did that not play out?
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[SPEAKER_02]: But on that hunt, I don't remember how much we were able to show on the show, but because we wanted to show getting there in the whole experience, but it was
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[SPEAKER_02]: we had called that moose in several times.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Me and my guide were both calling and this bowl we were pulling them off as cows and he'd come in and he'd go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then he'd come in and we were like oh we're going to get a shot and then he'd go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was with my great friend and an amazing cameraman, Jake Krauss, who me and him shared a ton of hunts together, still wonderful best of friends.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But Jake was with me the guide was into it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like we were just we were all in there together.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the guide was up on the hill.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He came in turn and it was one of those, had you told me the yardage mat?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would have never shot but in in my mind I literally just looked at it and went I got it like I can shoot this most and I drew back in shot and everything you boy that arrows in the air a long time
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's a lot for it, and when the arrow hitting him and angled right up into his chest, I, I was not the only one every buddy lost her with my buddy Jake was looking up it out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Guy came running down the hill, oh my gosh, and I was just, we were just so ecstatic because it looked like at that point in the hunt.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're probably not going to get a mousse and it's going to be an amazing hunt and they're just not, they're cowed up pretty bad and we're not really able to slip in because it was such
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[SPEAKER_02]: But it just worked out and it was just one of those Everything worked out perfect every some days of diamond some days of stone, but this was just one of those Epic moments that and that we all have whether it's shooting that pine cone It you decide to launch an arrow at 60 yards and you actually hit it and you're like even if you're by yourself There's like oh my gosh That was so excited and so for me it was just this
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[SPEAKER_02]: absolute emotional and being with Jake and and the other guy like we were just we all had this incredible moment and it was a static and a quickly and kill is every hunter's goal and to be able to watch him lose a lot of times a canter or Alaska or even in Colorado, I've shot moose where they go out of sight but to watch an animal that big get taken down with one arrow like within seconds.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was just it was incredible man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was incredible.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was, and the footage was, it was so great.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know that was your idea.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You did.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was nice.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I can watch that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I can watch that again and again.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's great that, yeah, you hit on that around.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You don't see everything in a short film, and you don't, the real, the biggest thing that people need to take away is that you don't see all the time that you put in.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And
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[SPEAKER_03]: the failed attempts and the things that didn't go right and the bad weather and all the time and energy and effort that went in before that oftentimes we do this on social media too more than anything but you see the highlight really talk about that and you don't see the energy behind it and one time it took and think it's just immediate but it's not.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When I also try and show that stuff, I try and show when things go wrong, or by lap of myself, and, you know, I've tried my effect, I'd just be by head of just laughing to it, because we did a show in Virginia, and it was hysterical, but I missed this bear, and it was just embarrassing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I also shot a, when I thought was a doubt, it would be a little button.
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[SPEAKER_02]: slash bike, whatever, be the tiny spike or a big button that's right in between.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I try and share that stuff like, hey, here's, here's me missing a score one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought I hadn't, when here's this and I try and share that with people because I get.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I get tired of people not being honest or sharing some of the negatives.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I mean, the things don't work out, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe feel better about myself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to feel like a failure if I watch somebody.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what I loved about Fred Bear is he had no problem showing that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: One of the videos that I remember very clearly with his film.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought it was hysterical, but it made him so real to me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He missed this grizzly bear twice, and threw his bow at the bush, like he was just so bummed out, and so disappointed in himself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, how cool that the amazing friend bear that could have edited that out, and just shown all his amazing shots.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he,
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[SPEAKER_02]: He wanted people to see that's part of hunting, and I'm like, that's really cool.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I've always tried Matt to show that part or show when I make an idiot of myself, or when I want to black fox, runs up in my face and scares me to death.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I squeal like a little girl run backwards in my cameraman's laughing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Some of that stuff sometimes were tempted to take out and I've tried to show some of that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I think it's important, too, because it shows people that you're a real person as well.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And Fred Bear did that and people that do that to you today.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's important for folks to understand that they're not the only one in the trenches.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When they feel like they're in the trenches, and whatever it is they're doing it live.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, sir.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can 100% so I've tried to emulate and that's what life is about.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You try and emulate people that you respect good fathers good mothers good people successful people good hunters whatever that is people have great relationship with God whatever that is to you you try and emulate that I'm not the first one to do anything really everything I've done has been to emulate
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[SPEAKER_02]: people that I had a lot of respect for, whether it was men or women or other people, or children of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: My son one time, I missed a big one cheap and I was bummed out and he looked at me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was like, yeah, it's totally okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He said, it's been awesome.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We camped out and we farted together in the tent and we laughed and giggle and it was awesome.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So no big deal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I put the pressure
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[SPEAKER_02]: on wanting him to see me get a big horn like I wanted my son to watch me shoot a big horn and I missed it and I thought he would be disappointed me he was like I don't give him I don't care that you missed a big horn this is awesome like I had more fun even stuff in the tent and farting on each other that was awesome that's the plug stuff
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[SPEAKER_03]: That is a fun stuff.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Nina Dad, I completely, I see what you're coming from with that side.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The same mindset sometimes, the experiences and things that mean a month, done together out the woods and shooting bows or whatever that might be in the backyard.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So it's good, that's another great message for any bias, listening, no matter who it is, you never know who's watching.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's always important to know that you don't know what small ripple by your actions, that ripple that you made, what it will do to that next person in the trajectory of their life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now, on your hunts, where you are deer hunting, this is another thing that I really like about your thread.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You often joke around about struggling to hold out big bucks, but you only joke around.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You could be somewhere like Kansas or Iowa, and there's a lot of big deer around, and people were telling you that,
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[SPEAKER_03]: maybe own the property or are hunting there with you that you need to wait and it's going to work out and you shoot a three point or a spike.
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[SPEAKER_03]: My question is do you feel like that is related to the traditional bow and how you just love shooting critters with the bow or do you feel like you have that same mind that when you rifle hunt?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Talk about that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: A bad, it's so funny.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's so many things that make me laugh about that because you're 100% honest and I drive some people crazy because of that and I don't have any problem with people that want to tropy on that I think it's great and if that's your jam, I more power to you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think a lot of it has to do with, again, understand, I grew up letting a hard pressure public land.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you got any animal, you had really done something.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And some of the best hunters I know have never shot a trophy deer, because they don't hunt trophy deer areas.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They may be amazing hunters, but...
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[SPEAKER_02]: That means they shot a two and a half or three and a half year old deer would be in a buck or they shot a or they shoot a dough every year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I grew up I think for food that's we man we ate everything and squirrel and rice was a was a pretty regular dinner at my place and if you missed the squirrel it was rice if you know what I'm saying.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that was that that was how I grew up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's a hard one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a hard habit to break and and I couldn't I guess you could look at it and go for it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Be bad opportunities on these amazing places, but I get so excited about every year and
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[SPEAKER_02]: It really to me if you're going to take an animal's life and I'm also passionate about animals and that's something that anti-hunter's don't understand But you know how you can be passionate about something but still harvest it or kill it and eat it and respect its life To me that little dough means as much to me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't disregard that
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[SPEAKER_02]: or I put as much emphasis, I'm not saying this well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I put as much emphasis on that small though, as I do a huge buck.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I've had people that truly didn't understand that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I had an alphar or a guide, super guy, and got along with it well, but he made me not shoot a small, calcare boo one dime.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we got into an argument about it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like it was a fun argument, but I was real serious, like literally, I wanna shoot this thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he's known in whatever world, later in the hunt, I do end up shooting
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[SPEAKER_02]: when a lot of people would just go nuts over it was a big, huge bowl and it just turned out that's the animal I ended up getting range of.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he said to me, while I was holding this big bowl, we were all excited and he said, now aren't you more happy that you passed up that cow?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It isn't this better than the cow care, but you wanted to.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I said,
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, like I would have been just as excited.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like you don't understand.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would it makes no difference.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is it cool that it's got beginners?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that's awesome.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I would literally have been just as excited just as proud and put as much respect on to the cow caribbean as I would have this big bull.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if I, you don't hunt with a traditional bow with fun and it's challenge and I say it's a challenge, but I often say and truly mean it that I'm more efficient with a traditional bow than I am with other weapons because I think it allows me to shoot fast, not think about yardage, there's a lot of advantages, I think, to a traditional bow over a lot of other weapons.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, do I carry that over?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Matt, great question.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And no, I guess that's more with the traditional bow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If I'm with the rifle, just because a rifle doesn't excite me as much.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Man, you know, I hate saying that most of my hunting 90, 95 to 99% is with the traditional bow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I still will, like I shot, you know, a beautiful spike elk with my recurred this year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But then I went out with my son late season and shot a cow elk with the rifle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But the rifle just doesn't give me that adrenaline rush.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's still, I still have just as much respect for the animal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm still appreciative.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I still enjoy my time of field, but my excitement level.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's no comparison.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's no comparison for me.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's strange because I think if you put everybody who's super passionate about Huntwood traditional bony through us on a blender, it may all turn out to be the same material into the day inside of us and side of our brains because we all feel that same way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's really strange hot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Then since psychologists need to do it study all in, I think, or maybe us or maybe there's something loose.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Either way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love that you fill that way and that same stance is still present today around what's important to you and why you hunt and you're not out to hunt for trophies.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And to be honest with you, the more that you just pursue trophies, I'm sure there'd be a lot of different cases to where things didn't work out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, sure.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You shot an animal that maybe was not considered a big mature animal in the first or second day, could it have worked out on the seventh day?
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[SPEAKER_03]: when you're out with a traditional bow and that's where their seasons that I've gone through personally and I know others do as well to where you pass and you're like, I sure wish I shot that dough five months ago that was a it was basically delivered in my lap they would have been a perfect opportunity, perfect shot opportunity and I just passed it up because
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was trying to hunt, my specific buck or some other type of animal.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so I think that's another piece too, is I never have to deal with it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you don't do with that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I'm going to follow somebody's place that absolutely, like, it's forbidden, like, friends.
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[UNKNOWN]: I'm getting into you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, day of threatening your life and at that point it's probably good to maybe hold out at least for a couple days or at least a figure out a good escape route before you let the string go Yes, it's important is there'd be a passion and obviously there's a excitement behind it and if there's not We said it before you need to try something else because it's just a decision.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It shouldn't be something that you spend all your time doing if you don't get excited about it And I'd like a wild game to me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's too good
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[SPEAKER_02]: about about the Habs about stakes here right now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, that's what I, the in-game to be a spin.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want a full freezer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to enjoy and rethink about that hunt every time I sit down and put a bite of it in my mouth.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's awesome.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It really is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, we'll talk about this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Your current bow.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know it's probably changed over the years, but there's a lot of people in my self included to hear about current bow and arrow setups.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't know if
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[SPEAKER_03]: Keep up with maybe your weight, your total error weight, or the weight of your broad heads right now, you're shooting, I assume you do the talk about that, but your current set up and then maybe has it changed over the years and if it's so why it's not why not.
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[SPEAKER_02]: great question.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, as a kid, of course, I was playing in Arizona, a little pipe to last week here, but but yeah, it's things I shot for a very, very long time, a dear friend of mine, Mike Palmer, makes a Palmer custom reaker and it's a great bow and I've had a blast shooting that bow, great bow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I found and I always wanted Mike to make me tiny little risers because at over six foot I don't have a big hand.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was smaller hand and I'd like to feel like I'm controlling the bow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I found that I felt more comfortable later with smaller riser bows and the fact is you can't get a wooden riser
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[SPEAKER_02]: as small as you can, magnesium or metal riser or different aluminum risers, things like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So although I still enjoy shooting all my bows, I still shoot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've got a bunch of different recurs, I play with all of them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But my current set up, and I worked with Hoyton and helped them design a bow, and then I got probably one of the cooler things to ever happen to me, and you mentioned the word full circle earlier, and I'm going to say that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Literally one of my first jobs, and I'd say first, I'd go trees, and I think I worked at Wendy's once, and then I worked at a tiny little lottery shop, but then I worked at bear archery.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And working at bear archery where Fred Bear was the center of everything, or Frank Scott was taking care of the museum.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And when bear archery,
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[SPEAKER_02]: They knew I had a lot of bear recurs and was still very close to my roots there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: My bear archery roots, they asked me if I would be willing and we talked about updating if you will.
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[SPEAKER_02]: One of Fred's original designs, Fred's original LAT system take down Bob, what I work on the riser and basically have a traditional a signature bow with both my name and Fred bears name on it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, heeding.
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[SPEAKER_02]: that would be the coolest thing in the world.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I want to bore you with the whole story, but then it was funny, the amount of pressure I felt that I put on myself because Fred Bear was ahead of his time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And when he came out with a latch, just some even today, it's an amazing setup.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It takes no tools, you flip the latch, you pull the limbs off, you throw it, you're broke, you go somewhere and you slap it back on and you're both ready to go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You don't have to worry about Allen Ranchers or flyers or anything else.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I did not want to change Fred's bow that much.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I had all kinds of buddies and friends.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You need to go with this or make it in my life.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So make it at this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, I don't want to change Fred's original design.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is a very man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is a very serious thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I want to make some tweaks to it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I want it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How do I marry a little bit of technology with Fred's tradition and his original bow?
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I'm shooting now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I made some changes to the riser things that Fred knew that could be improved upon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of it was because of the cost involved with trying to change a magnesium riser back then.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a magnesium riser now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's aluminum V. Fred would put and a lot of his buddies would put nails or a piece of wood or something underneath their flat shelf.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They had a big long wide flat shelf.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and so there was a lot of contact on the arrow on the shelf.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I'm like, I want to bevel the shelf.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So there's less surface, less contact with the arrow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I made a lot of little tweaks to that that I was tickled pink with and it's fun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's what I'm shooting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm shooting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's Fred Bear's original lathe system, but it's a bow that I helped design, which is really cool for me personally.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's my bow set up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's I bounced around a little bit
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[SPEAKER_02]: that make that about 51, 50 pounds at my draw.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's awesome.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've shot everything with that thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Moose, L, deer, bear, white tails, meal deer, fall open of everything, but sick black tails.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But so my current set up is the bear, the bear, bear, riser, 45 pound lambs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm shooting an eastern axis, 500 arrow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I try to follow up Fred Bears of original,
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[SPEAKER_02]: advice, which still holds true today because it's better for the bow, better for the lambs, and great for good penetration, which is 10 pounds or 10 grains of arrow weight per pound of bow weight.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm shooting about a 500 grain arrow, which is 10 grains per pound of bow weight.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm shooting a
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[SPEAKER_02]: Ross brought it that I help design that I've been trying to get somebody to do for a while, and I'm super excited that that watch said, let's do this, but they've got a sharp shooter, which is a cut on impact, and we sharpen the main bleeder blade, so we named it the CBW, which stands for cuts both ways, because that's not how many deer do you shoot through, or are you like being a lot of times your arrows in the deer in the elk or in the bear?
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's not often, it's not often a sheet through it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right, it's just usually it's getting stopped by the officer's shoulder.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep, that's exactly so that's what I find a lot of traditional guys do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So what I was excited about again, I'm emulated and learned from other people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This isn't original, but
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[SPEAKER_02]: Back when I first was really getting into traditional archery, I was 21 years old and the man named Jim Whitmire that managed and he owned aerodynamics, which is a big archer shop in four columns called Rado, I managed it, but Jim oversaw everything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we owned and managed it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I watched him one time with a file sharpened in the back of his wiki brought it and I was like why are you doing that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he said because with my recurve, I don't shoot two animals a lot, especially elk.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I I want as much energy as I can and in the worst case scenario if I make a bad shot, then in that's even more important.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I want the back of my head
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[SPEAKER_02]: sharpened and I'm like, wow, that's really cool.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I tried to talk one or two other companies in doing it, but Wasp is recently done it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So with Wasp sharpshooter and CBW cuts both ways.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's my setup.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Man, I'm shooting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's in 500.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the legacy shaft and I had a little bit of saying, bear our tree recurve and a Wasp rod hit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's my success.
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[SPEAKER_02]: first string makes my string now I used to I used to make all my own strings flimish twist strings because I made hundreds if not thousands of them when I worked at the archer shop but now I have those guys make my make my strings for because it's it's quick and easy and that's pretty much all set up buddy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's awesome.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and the ability for you to be able to speak into some design aspects on that try.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's pretty neat.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not cool.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's everybody's dream.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I wish I just got my, just picked up my truck from the shop and a boy, I wish I could help.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Somebody designed a dang truck that would last a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Make it to where you get in there and pick yourself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But they used to leave that trend.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They used to make them like that years and years ago.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But portable lives with me on that, but I sure we're sure I could have a little input on those rascals, but it's fun to have some, some say on the stuff that you carry in the field.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever that is, it's been really fun for me to make a few tweaks, you changes, and shoot like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: exactly what I want.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is what I want.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's really fun.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But it is, yeah, that is fun.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think a lot of people that's you traditional, they get fascinated by just how simple stuff can be.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then it's neat because in today's new age, carbon arrows, and shooting, isle friggs, and you both didn't have to be mad at a wood, people can shoot that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we talked about how,
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[SPEAKER_03]: folks that are coming from a compound and they've never shot traditional boat.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You can go until I left though and it fills the same in your hand.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Whereas if you went to a wood riser, it does not fill the same.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Some people will think you're holding a two-by-fort, which they don't know how wide the grip is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It might be a two-by-fort here hold.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And there's nine day difference in both.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, there is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's got to find the right one that shoots well for you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if you can still have it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's never one size fits all.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like shoes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's how I tell you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can't just, I couldn't grab your shoes, Matt, and I probably couldn't fill them first off, but it's a, it's a, it's a very personal thing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's exactly right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm got one more for you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that is what this Fred Eichler, or how this Fred Eichler, want to be remembered as a bow hunter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Man, that's a deep one, that's a deep one and I guess it doesn't matter to me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is going to sound weird.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If I remember as a bone hunter so much as I'd rather be remembered as somebody that was willing to share their time or share their passion with people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I try to always have time for people and to share
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[SPEAKER_02]: my passions with others.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think there's some that that that take that, oh, maybe it's somebody that's a really good golfer or tennis player or even a traditional shooter that that don't want to share their knowledge or the little things that they know because they they want to outshoot everybody or they want to be the best at this and they they want to keep that to themselves.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If I wanted to be a member to some that somebody that would happily share any knowledge
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've learned or that I've learned from other people with anyone else, I guess that would probably be, yeah, I guess that would probably be it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'd like people to say, man, like I was really generous for this time or with the tiny little bit of knowledge he had, he sure wanted to share it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: hiding bit of knowledge is not true is vast about knowledge and experience and and you hit the nail in the head because action speak louder than words and tonight you give me your time and it is Friday night late Friday night after you've been working hard all day you could be kicked up with your stretchy pants on relax and but instead you're doing this with us and so we are grateful for that thread and it shows and
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[SPEAKER_03]: over the years is getting to grow up and watch you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's been inspiring your attitude and your positivity as I know as inspired thousands of people and just the way that you carry yourself is something that it's like I said it speaks volumes for even outside of hunting.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It speaks volumes on how people should carry themselves and everyday life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So for that we all thank you Fred.
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[SPEAKER_02]: really mad thank you as well and you guys for doing a literally a really good thing with a podcast you guys are doing this for other people and that that says a lot about all of you so I appreciate that as well.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I really enjoyed myself tonight Fred.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think you're okay with it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'd love to close this in prayer and then I'll let you go about about relax and for the rest of your evening.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right that sounds great.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Lord, just thank you so much for another wonderful day that you've blessed us with.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for our health.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for our time together.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for creating people that have like-minded interest in life and people that are gifted in a leadership way to where they're willing to step up and do things in a selfless manner for other people like Fred.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I see you continue to guide his life and his business and his ventures and life and keep him safe when he's on trips, continue to bless his family, do with them and every aspect.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for the listeners and there's somebody on there tonight this listening and their struggle with something, no matter what that might be, just know that you're right there with them and continue to give them confidence that they'll be able to get through this storm.
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[SPEAKER_03]: because with you anything as possible, just thank you for all our many blessings.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We ask you to continue to do figures for our sins.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for sending your son to down the cross forum and Jesus didn't pray.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Everybody said amen.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Amen.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you, Fred.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, Matt.
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