So ancestral beings are basically like negative beings in lineages designed to go from down the lineage to haunt them and give them like
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like that. you have to basically have someone in the lineage to go into self mastery, self healing to break it. Uh, that's the only way you can get rid of them. No matter how skilled you are as a shaman, you cannot get rid of someone's demon who's ancestrally haunted. will regenerate and come straight back in. It was basically a thousands of thousand years ago. They brought all of these beings into, to obviously come into lineages and haunt them, basically to wake them up, so they'd come into some sort of self mastery.
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So today, I have. , Dale Tobin. , he's, , a mentor and a coach
uh, psychic surgeon and [00:03:00] ancestral medium.
And I, I first saw him on, , the Galactic Historian, YouTube channel kind of a new face. Like, I, I had been following Galactic Historian for a few years. And then, uh, in the past few, in the past, I don't know, was it been like three years?
Three, altogether three years. Yes.
Like three years ago Saw a new face pop up. A couple, a couple new faces. And one of them was Dale. Uh, rather than me butcher your bio, why don't you just, in your own words, give us a little idea of where you're coming from, um, where you're at.
So I have been a practitioner and teacher for just over 12 years now. I first started just before 2012, like 2010. Um, I had a moment in time where I had a visitation from my ancestors. Um, I saw. My ancestors stood around me in, like, a rainbow liquid [00:04:00] auric form. and they were showing me, like, this kind of map. But this, it's interesting because what they were showing me, I've only realized what it was. years after I saw it and I realized it was a road map back to the remembering and it was the start of my spiritual awakening where they were showing me this road map about remembering who you are as a soul. So there was that point where found a Reiki practitioner and as soon as I went into that Reiki session, I booked in to do the Reiki training one, two and all the rest of them did that. Then I realized at some point I was doing much more than Reiki. Um, I had my first session with galactic historian, Andrew Batsis. Uh, back in 2013, I do believe, um, and he was talking, which I was understanding as surgery, soul retrieval stuff. I was doing just innately knowing when I had a space and I had a client, there was just a natural element to the, to the healing basically, where I just have a knowingness where something was or what energy [00:05:00] was, what, what was there, what needed to be taken out. So I trained in Reiki, then I learned hypnotherapy, uh, the basics of counseling. Then I went into doing, at some point I did craniosacral one, but the main thing I do is ancestral medium work, but with psychic surgery training, soul retrieval training, um, and over 12 years I've just had client, back to back clients, and over a period of time it's just become where I'm able to teach people this now.
I'm, I've had a podcast which is called The Talking Stick Show, uh, for four and a half years now, um, so that's been going every week. So. I did my show. I invited Andrew on and, um, Laura Massey, uh, who I work with, uh, as part of the team as well, uh, she was really good friends of Andrew. So I then spoke to Andrew and all of a sudden I was working with Andrew doing sessions, doing shows of him. Um, so I've basically, I'm a psychic surgery trainer practitioner, but I also assist and train people in ancestral medium communication. So how [00:06:00] do you speak to your ancestors? How can you go into a zone of trust to know you're speaking to them? And, um, yeah, that's pretty much me in a nutshell.
Nice. Cool. Um, Yeah, there's yeah, there's some, a lot to dig in there. Well, I was gonna, so like one of my follow up questions was going to be like, what your, what's I was like to ask what's your origin story and what's your superpower. So I know you just said, I know you just kind of went over some of it.
It lets a drill in just a little bit to like the actual you know, kind of the actual story behind, your first, uh, psychic emergence or spiritual awakening, however you want to, however you want to say it. Um, what was that, what was that like? And then, uh, and then, like I said, what's, what would you, do you have a [00:07:00] superpower?
And if so, what is that, what is it?
So when I first went through my awakening, it was, I was living a life where it was chaotic. Um, I split up from my first girlfriend, uh, a long relationship. I got my heart broken. Uh, I went through those stages of trying to find love, but innately I found it through Reiki spiritual practice. Um, I then got into a bit of a, it was a hard year when I first did my, when I had my kind of starting awakening point. because I was showing loads of my own shit, loads of my own personalities and parts of me which really couldn't evolve, um, all. Uh, and there was a point in time where I started going to different, various teachers. One teacher would teach me lightworker shit, which didn't work. Which made me more egoic, which kind of like spun off towards progression in my own, my own, um, understanding of it from my own journey. Uh, then I obviously I learned from Native [00:08:00] Americans, Andrew, Jamie, Sam's, all these different, various teachers about living, um, and working with the natural life force and the natural elements, the directions. And as soon as I started reading those Jamie, Sam's book, I was hooked. So I, I did a lot of Native American, uh, reading and just understanding their culture and traditions about ceremonies, rituals, and so on. Um, so my awakening was, it was, it was tough, but I had my ego come out straight away. And this happens with a lot of awakening is all of a sudden you awaken, but the ego takes over. Uh, so I had a year of kind of battling my ego, uh, until the point came, obviously, when I worked with Andrew as well. Talking about living in neutrality, living in being authentic. Um, so I had my process of kind of like, you'd say the dark night, the soul, the shadow. Until the point came where source connection was a big part of my life. Prayer was a big part of my life. Actually saying prayer to speak to the [00:09:00] creator, saying prayer to connect to the creator, connect to the inner self, connect to the ancestors. Um, that really changed me. And I started doing ceremonies and rituals. Then I did shows, which changed me even more. And like yourself, Cameron. The more you do them, the more you change and understand about your own quirks, your own programs and so on. So each day I see as a lesson. Um, and my superpower would be probably be. when I do my psychic surgery, healings, have hands which come out my back. Um, so originally before I came here, I was created a part of the universe in the Pleiades. Where I was mixed DNA with a group of species called Nevarens. Um, and I basically in my light body these hands. So as I grew as a soul, these hands came out my back, kind of like octopus tentacles. So when I'm doing my psychic surgery, I can have my hands on doing all the psychic [00:10:00] surgery. But nine of my hands come out and I can see them. I saw them when I started doing Reiki and they move around and work basically with the client and they can just know what's needed at the moment.
Wow.
can give ancestral balancing. Uh, if, if, if it's needed, uh, clearing removal of something nasty in them, adding a certain frequency, a connection portal to different psychic surgeons, which can come free as well. So the hands were like the navigation points and. There was a point in time where I could realize I could expand them even more.
So I had a thousand hands coming out my back. So as I'm doing psychic surgery, I can even keep multiplying them. Um, so that's my special power
Nice.
surgery hands. And there was a one point in time where I was doing groups, which I'm still doing groups of 40 to 30 people in the room doing psychic surgery in the whole room. So I'm able to actually connect to people. My hands start coming out and I start doing different techniques with my own self as well, my own hands and my own [00:11:00] vision, vision and connection. But my hands are going to each and every person up to 60 people I can get in a room and I can do psychic surgery treatments on all of them at once. Um, so that's something I've expanded more and more. Um, then I had a, an ayahuasca experience where, I was basically showing, um, the Bear Lodge, the Dreaming Lodge of the West, and I was in the Bear Lodge throughout my whole medicine journey, where the bear, I was sat in, like, a cabin, and I looked out the window, the Aurora Borealis was all around, and the bear stood in front of me and says, I'm gonna teach you about the bear. So I went through a whole process of learning about introspection, self reflection, and what it takes to actually go to the inner selves and understand what parts of ourself are sovereign, but I use the bear clans in psychic surgery now. So, after my ayahuasca experience, I then work with the bears, where I can have bears doing different surgery works, and bear medicine's really good at going into dream time and clearing out hell realms. So when there's ever [00:12:00] anything quite tough going on, I bring, I bring a lot of my of different bears work with me at one time. So that was an add on superpower extra thing after the ayahuasca journey. Then there was another part where my second medicine journey, I worked with the founder beings.
So as I was working, I saw four different beings around me. And it was a founder beings and they took me on a journey my lineage and different other lineages. And they showed me how to work with lineage at clearing karma from people's lineages and so on. So each and every year I add more and more to my toolbox. Um,
Mm
those are just little add ons for me. But iOS had completely assisted me because ancestors were there telling me. About one of the reasons why my contracts are here. I'm here to be a psychic surgeon. I'm here to Help thousands of thousands of people going through that process of learning Um, there's past life stuff which came through in Iowaska, Turtle Island, I had a psychic surgery school in [00:13:00] Turtle Island. Uh, there was loads of different past life stuff coming to me as well, showing me that this is the key for you now, is to help people that they can do it themselves, like, you've done the psychic surgery, showing people you can do this shit as well, and that's, there's nothing more rewarding than seeing that, seeing someone realise of how great they are as well.
hmm.
Nice. Cool. Um,
so I guess in my own journey of, uh, the psychic surgery I, I, just to let the listeners know, uh, you know, I took, I took one of your courses, um, and it was it was an interesting course. It, it, it really challenged me. I found, um, the course itself was awesome. Uh, but [00:14:00] then, like, you know, those weeks following really trying to dig into it it really challenged me.
I've found like, and this might be my own. Some of my own issues as far as uh, trust when you talk about trust. Um, but, uh, I felt like on a, on the psychic level that I kind of hit, I kept on hitting a ceiling where. I definitely don't visualize things in the way that I wish I could. And so, if I didn't visualize it, I'd have to feel into it.
And if it was a session where, let's say I come into the session not completely clear myself. Then that just ruins the whole session and I, I can't tap into, you know, I don't have the clarity to tap into, uh, that feeling, you know, um, that is where I'm at right [00:15:00] now with that. Um, well, go ahead.
so with that, when you're saying that, so that is quite common, what you experience there and innately it's basically knowing the more sessions you do, the more training you do at it. There was a point where I would have sessions six years ago and something would happen in my environment with the kids or there would be chaos, what would happen. And it would trigger me a little bit and I'd go into that into the session, but the time came where I realized in the moment I could completely flip a frequency or flip my own to go into the session. And like I get tested, like I went through a divorce and I had sessions and sessions and sessions. And I remember thinking afterwards if I can do it through a divorce or if I can do it through my dad dying or something like that. It's innately learning how to flip the frequency on it. And I experienced what you experienced at my stage when I started doing different, various psychic surgery stuff, there was a point where [00:16:00] my other selves found it hard to continue to see the infinite viewpoint. And there was, there was always a kind of like, it was like you say, the ceiling or a stop button. Um, but the more and more I realized I could do it until the point came where fun came into it, I could smile in my session. I wouldn't let pressure build up that had to be a certain person or give them a certain reading. I just allowed a complete no time, um, fun experience for myself. And that just shined on my clients because session I'm not worried or I'm not nervous, but when I first did it, it was all about right. Expectation, expectation. Um, I'm not feeling right going into the session. Um, so put from, from my point of view, there is just experience, experience, experience, and once you do the experience comes, you'll start just completely changing that frequency.
Is there any, any type of like, [00:17:00] was it just mind mind over matter type of thing? Or is there any type of trick? I don't know. I, I, I'm thinking like maybe, uh, some type of mantra, you know, um, or some type of focus,
So
focus object or something that will kind of try to you use especially to trigger, you know, to, to flip that switch.
It's
source connection, source frequency, and knowing this, and this is what I teach on psychic surgery too, which is. In one of my ayahuasca journeys, um, I was given a new workshop where they were saying this is the next part of psychic surgery. You've, you've, you've teached this starting stage, but the second stage is going to be very important because It's a roadmap back to the grandmothers and grandfathers and realizing that we are the ancestors and we hold the road map of the remembering within ourselves.
We are source connected. [00:18:00] Within us is a connection point to the creator, our own ancestors, the Aurora Borealis, the red road, the blue road of spirit. for me was just that knowing that I am part of that. I have source connection and I am allowing source connection. My source connection has no boundaries or stopping points or limitations. So when I go into a session, it's like I start building my energy where, right, source frequency now I'm connecting to my ancestors, my grandmothers, I call to them to assist me and I go into more of a high energy state. So if I have shit, like shit happens to me sometimes, like before I come onto a session there's never a point where I'll sit down, I'm like, shit, I feel shit to do this session unless I'm ill. Seven years ago was a different story. I was like, shit, I'm going to ruin this session because I'm not in a very good space, but now I can go through the chaos and just come sit down and I'm in and that's it. Or like do the workshop and, and soon as I go into that frequency and this is the [00:19:00] grandmother and grandfather, um, that we are part of them and they are within us and we can connect to them and talk to them. that allows me to kind of shake off any, any lower frequencies, angers, and so on. Um, and part of the roadmap back to the great remembering. That we all are ancestral mediums if we choose to remember.
powerful. That's cool. So we're speaking of you know, I guess the need to, I don't know, in my own mind, uh, one of my ongoing. Another one of my ongoing challenges or my ongoing like work is just to keep clear, you know, keep the, the subtle, the, the light body clear and the, and the physical body to do you, is this a, uh, do you put an emphasis on this?
[00:20:00] And if so, like, what part of your daily routine? Is this part of your daily routine? I guess is what I'm asking.
So, I'd regularly scan my energy field for projections and stuff that's not meant to be there. of the biggest things we face in the reality we are in is things coming into us and getting stuck in our energy field. Projections from people who are angry or you get into an argument with them or you trigger them and they send a projection, basically, way.
So, it's about. I do psychic surgery myself where I remove it, I find where it is, I start clearing it out and do what my rote positions and so on. Then there'll be sage where I'll be doing clearing sage, breath work, um, using the PMF mat, which I used on a daily basis, uh, which is electromagnetic frequency, uh, Lucia light.
I a Lucia light pretty much most days. Um, so for me, it's about variations, flotation tanks, very important. [00:21:00] It's not about getting stuck into one frame of saging. It's about having many different tools to be able to do the purification, fire ceremonies, uh, clearing meditations, laughing, being human, being grounded, exercise, all of those different things. So for me, I have so many different things I do because if I do the same shit over and over again, it gets boring.
Okay. So it's a daily anti routine. Um,
I have my days off. Day off. I'll have a day off per week or maybe two sometimes and have some time off when I go through my own stuff or divorce, which I've just gone through. So just yeah, regularly purification. I think that's the best way to explain that knowing what's in your body, knowing thyself, not knowing when your energy is not right, when to relax, when to sleep, when to go get help, ask people for help.
That's one of my things I advise you, um, go see a healer, go someone, go, go get some help. I have to [00:22:00] go get help as well. Everyone does
so with, uh, the, I'm trying to recall the bear lodge, would you, the bear lodge The dreaming lodge of the West. Is that what you called it?
Yes.
Can you, can you tell us more about that? Or is that is that something that you just, uh, is, is, are these like, is this coming from your spirit team, your guidance, or is this, was this like a teaching in the physical or both?
Um, and can you just tell us more about that?
Yeah. I'd love to man. So what I'm going to do now is I'm going to read which I wrote the bear lodge. it's a perfect time to read it out. Here we go the bear lodge right, so this is what I wrote after my journey with them [00:23:00] So the bear sits in the dreaming lodge to the west With the power to understand the very truth of many layers of reality The bear holds no fear in its journey and shatters the patterns of illusions of fraud dream space The bear is a great teacher of introspection of the self bear sits within the dreaming space. The bear is a great teacher of introspection of the self. Sorry, I just need to make this a bit bigger. My eyes can't really see this. I'm just going to blow it up a bit. There we go. That's better. One second. A bit smaller. There we go. So the bear sits with the dreaming vision, dreaming another great dream among the sleeping bears. dreaming Lodge of the Bear is a place of universal truths to be shared. The Lodge of the Bears holds ancestral value for everyone who enters its doors. The Bear Lodge is open to all of those who wish to dream. must respect [00:24:00] yourself to respect the Lodge of the Bear. The Bear sees through the delusions of life created by the many, the who have forgotten the code of peace. the Bear smells out negative pheromones with one sniff. The bear will always stand the ground of universal truth and bear the responsibility of holding the teachers teachings of introspection among the dreaming bears of bears. So the bear lodge is a dreamer lodge of peace and purification among the ancestral values of changing with one's reality. The bear guards those who enter the lodge of peace. Those that seek the bear are true seekers. The bear will never take sides and always understand the ancestral balancing of each lesson. The bear will sit with power and strength to never give up, never give up on its kin. strength of the bear holds unique messages through humanity and the many universal dreams. The strength of the bear is teaching, Teaching of taking one's power back from forced evolution, created by false dreamers [00:25:00] of peace. Bear Roar is a declaration of standing in one power to say no, more to those who do not bear responsibility for themselves, and force their tainted point of view among the lines of false creation. The Bear Roar sends a message out into deep dream space, of spaces of the snoring bears, calling the many bear clans to come out of hibernation, to roar and stand among the great dreaming bears. The Bear Lodge is a place of looking within oneself to regain, to regain their bear roar. The bear roar is a standing wave of action that declares ancestral balancing will be followed. So the bear brings healings to those who are ready to look at the inner shadows, showing them a way out of the illusion so new dreams can be dreamed again. The bear goes deep into hibernation into the dream worlds of the West. These dream worlds create lodges for all those to gain bears wisdom. The wisdom of the bear is honored with the many worlds held sacred by those universal peacemakers and peacekeepers. The action of the bear requires one to listen to [00:26:00] their surroundings and in a voice, what is bear showing you in your reality, which is with its fine tuned senses, the bear will guide you back to balance. So you let its medicine seed new perspectives of the dreaming self. that's some of my writings after the Ayahuasca journey and going into the Dreaming Lodge of the West. just more to add to that was, when I went into the West, it was, bear was showing me my own reality and deep in my dream space is what I was avoiding. So stuff with my children, my ex partner, it was showing me dream spaces where I wasn't looking at, which I was avoiding, and it was showing me what was, what was karmically interacting with me, and I, it was just before my divorce, literally, um, a week into it, or some, or maybe two weeks into it, I went into the bear lodge, and they showed me that that relationship wasn't in ancestral or in universal balance anymore. I was avoiding my own [00:27:00] true self and I had to become the bear to go on to my next stage of evolution. so as I was doing, I saw bear faces like with the mouth open coming at me all the time. Then they were showing me different things about my lineage, stuff about ancestral karma and basically how we have the capacity to say no and clear our own shit. the bears are the dreamers of the West and they can assist us with that. very, very powerful teachers and very, very powerful shamans. Um, and obviously watch videos of bears and just see and connect to their frequency as well. And they are the Ridiculously powerful beings they clear up nasty shit for us as well So when I have hauntings or people who are very terribly haunted in the childhood The bears go back in time to start clearing out the dream worlds So the bears are ancestral balancers, basically, and as I worked with the bears, there was a connection to the founder beings, the bears were connected to them as well, um, so they're seen as very, I'd say, very [00:28:00] unique beings in this world, um, and they have a lot to do here, and they dream and help us, and they, they, the bear lodge is in the west, and you can dream in the west and speak to the bear lodge, but all you have to do is respect yourself, because they'll show you if you don't respect yourself, They'll go into why, what you need to then go deeper into the lodge and so on.
That was, that was some powerful shit right there. That was awesome. I mean, you could take. You can take what you, what you read and like, that's like a guided meditation right there, you know, uh, add a few things to it and turn it into a journey.
Yes.
That'd be very interesting.
Was, that was some writing which I was going to do at Bear Lodge Teachings and Andrew was going to do, yeah, do, do write some stuff. I was writing stuff, he was writing stuff. [00:29:00] Um, but it didn't end up happening. At some point it will happen in the future. Um, after the medicine journey, that just came as I was connecting them.
I was just writing and there was more and more stuff coming and coming. for tuning in. There will become a point in time where I'll add to that, when I'll go to then into the frequency again, um, it's like, it's like, as you connect to them, it's like, In my session, sometimes I start crying because it's such a unique, beautiful, strong frequency.
It's so much, so much love. It's such a powerful love feeling when you connect to the dreaming or to the bear. My own emotions start coming out and I start crying. Um, so a lot of tears are shed when I connect to the bears because of how, much they have helped me, especially going through my own divorce and the strength it's taken me to continue on and know, that yeah, I'm here to do my own job, my own stuff.
And there's a version of me who is a bear as well. Andrew said, I have another part of me, which is a bear, one [00:30:00] of my versions. So there's more layers to add to that, which I need to connect to at some point.
interesting. So what is the, there, there is there a connection, there's a connection between the bear and the ancestors. Yeah.
Yes, yes, yes.
So, , I haven't, I have not worked with the ancestors a lot. In fact, when I talk to you, I know, I mean, Andrew teaches about it and, and with the, uh, with his mentorship, I've, I got into it, you know.
A lot more, but really it started with you. Um, And so for, for any listeners that, you know, are also like brand new to the idea of working with ancestors, how do you have a [00:31:00] recommendation on like the first few steps on, you know, either the, the, the mental framework involved or an actual practice that somebody can do and start to connect?
Um,
true trusting yourself, trusting who you are, not having any doubt. And when you connect to them, knowing that when you connect to the grandmothers and grandfathers is high energy, and if you're not used to high energy, it's about training yourself in short bursts. Don't do it for too long. Uh, start learning how to deal with high frequency at long periods of time. Um, eat lots of protein, have the grounding skills, um, go see people who can teach you as well. Um, I teach ancestral medium, I'm doing an ancestral medium workshop in, uh, August or September time. Um, and that basically allows people to learn about the road map and the rainbow bridge, how to understand how to connect to [00:32:00] the rainbow bridge to speak to them, how to set up your own, uh, northern, I'd say, in the Aurora Borealis of the north, how to set up your dreaming lodge, and so on, and speak to them through there. loads of different ways of doing it, but For me, it's all about confidence, uh, knowing you can do it, um, and practice very, very important. And if you've got your own shit, what comes up, work on that shit first. Before you start speaking to them more because for some people they aren't ready to speak to them yet It's all about when they deal with their own shit and get to that point where they can do it But everyone can do it. It's just a matter of putting in the effort and discipline.
Hmm. Yeah, I would, I'd immediately agree with that. A lot of my I mean, I would say a lot of it was just prayer, and just talking to them, and in the activity of talking to them I began to, like, immediately realize [00:33:00] kind of the stuff that I needed to work out. before I could deepen that relationship.
Not that you can't have a deep relationship anyway. Um, but I'm talking about bringing this to a level, to a much higher level of awareness in your life than what most people, right? When most people deal with. This is more than just a like setting up an altar and giving them feeding them food or something like that I'm I'm talking about a deep a deep connection where you know you're surrounded by them, you know on the daily and and Whenever you need them and but also you're giving back to them as well.
Hmm
point And an offering for them to be in a potential but then it's about how you can actually Have them and connect them and speak to [00:34:00] them. Um, There was one point where one of my ancestors is basically, one of my spirit guides, sorry, is my daughter now in this lifetime, her dad, her dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's, uh, is one of my spirit guides and I can see him now and he's got, he's got like a black, it's kind of like a black suit with a white shirt and it looks like a boat, it looks like a suit but it's not a suit, um, and this spirit guide is, he, in his lifetime, he worked as a printer of newspapers, the very start of newspapers when it was created.
He was a big printer and had a warehouse. Um, and Opal, my daughter now, was his daughter. And there was a point in time where I was doing a session or I was on with Andrew and I was speaking to him, he came in and there's a stream of energy and it was giving me all this information and Andrew said to me, what's going on Dale?
And he goes, and I told him and he added more layers to and he goes, that's why I asked you what was [00:35:00] going on because I could feel the stream, the stream coming into you. And it was just all this information, really fast information about Opal and his relationship and about my own self. So that was a knowingness point for me.
So that spirit guide now is in my knowingness. And this is something when you connect to them, allow yourself to bring them into knowingness. And this is a big, important thing here is knowing that they're knowing who they are getting to know one at a time. Don't try and know all of them at once. focus just one at a time, build up a relationship more and more comfortable, and to the point comes where that being is in your knowingness.
Like, I have a dragon, I saw a long time ago, um, and when I shut my eyes now I can see the dragon flying, and that dragon's in my knowingness now. So it's about realizing how can you get to know them, become friends with them, realize that they're part of you, they're watching every single fucking thing you're doing, listening to us now, and they literally watch your shit, they watch you have sex, everything, they know exactly, there's not one thing, and [00:36:00] this is what iOS me, they do not, they see everything.
You cannot hide anything from them. They see through you and everything. And that gave me this, that's like made me feel a bit nervous. And I remember afterwards I spoke to Andrew. I was like, they see everything, don't they? The fuckers. And he goes, when I realized that that spooked me out a little bit, but then I got used to it. You can't take a shit on your own.
Yeah, I don't know how many experiences I've had where, uh, they it wasn't ancestors, but you know, spirits in general will, they will show me, I mean, they will show me their view of me on the toilet. Uh, I don't know. Like, I'm, I, I'm, I'm not going to look in deep into that, uh, about what that was about, but it was just fun.
[00:37:00] It made me, made me, it freaked me out at first. Then it just made me laugh. And like, really, you watch this really. Interesting.
it is to communicate to him when you're having a shit. A lot of galactics and beings come to speak to you when you're on the toilet but you're not aware of it. might be a place where you can start getting a few communications when you're having a shit.
Ha ha ha.
Uh, okay.
That's enough Toilet talk. I'm joking. Uh,
So I, I'm calling this podcast, uh, the hyper dimensional human. So. You know, the idea came earlier this year and it, the reason why I'm [00:38:00] using it is because it, it spoke to like the multiple dimensions of life that I want to cover on the podcast, you know, that I want to talk about. But I also realized that.
My, in my own personal journey, I've dealt a lot with hyperdimensional warfare and like kind of what it takes to, uh, to, to grab a hold of your life or in order to deal with a situation where you are being attacked or you are in some type of. situation, war like situation. Um, I'm talking, I guess in this sense, I'm [00:39:00] talking more about the spirit world.
I'm not talking about battling other humans or sorcerers or anything like that. Um, but I'm, I'm finding that, uh, a lot of people have these issues on a lesser degree than I did. But it also what's interesting about it is that I'm finding that all these situations that a lot of people get into, let's say it's just like a, a lot of night terrors or you know, an addiction or, uh, you know, any number of psychological issues.
Um, it's almost like it's an opportunity. It's a window for people to, uh, step on the path, uh, of spirit. You know, to step on to, to what would Andrew call it? The self illuminated, uh, mastery. Right. [00:40:00] So have you, have you experienced this a lot in your work? Like meeting people that have these issues and, and, uh, do they realize that having these issues is their opportunity to empower themselves?
And to really step on a spiritual path. Is that something you experience a lot? And do you have any good stories?
so I experience it quite a lot, but there's, there's different layers to this. So there's, you're dealing with someone who has that awareness and has night terrorism, has stuff going on in their unseen world, or traumatized and there's a lot of trauma based stuff there where at the young age they were abused or at a young age they were heavily haunted. Um, so there's times in sessions where. You'd have to go back in time and start clearing out dream worlds, hell realms, realms when they were younger which used to haunt [00:41:00] the shit out of them, which still haunt them to this day. Um, so all the time in sessions I'm dealing with different worlds which need closing down. But then on the, the balance to this would be a lot of people look at the darkness too much. And this is a huge thing which I've dealt with people who do all the time. They'll, all they'll see is darkness and demons and ghosts and reptilians. that's all that looks back at them. That's all their reality is. So for me, all of that stuff is out there, but it can send you down crazy town. I've met a lot of people who have gone to that borderline part where they spirituality is only going to make them worse. Them going on a spiritual path is only going to make this worse. And it's hard to tell someone those words. You're, you're not going to progress in life. If you continue on the spiritual path. Because paranoia is taking over you and so on. Don't get me wrong, people can come out of it and heal from it. But a lot of people I've seen where it's fucked them up. Like the ghosts, the demons have messed with them that much that any [00:42:00] spiritual work activates them going back into it and they don't have the awareness to do the trauma work, to go back in time, do healings and sessions on the past selves. Start fortifying themselves in different ways. So I see it all the time. Then I see, I'd say diamond clients who come out yourself, are, they've gone through some stuff or whatever they've gone through, but they have this will and drive to be able to come to the other side and start doing the great work. And these are the people which inspire me when I see them, when they actually do the work and what I recommend to them, they actually go out and do it. And they, next session, they're in a better state, they feel better. Yeah. But then you get people who just want to try, get you to fix them. Literally just want fixed.
I've had last year, I had sessions of demons, probably about seven or six sessions in a row of people with demons and ancestral entities and so on. There was a lady who rang me a quick session. It was [00:43:00] like a fast two days. It took for her to book.
Then all of a sudden she was in a gas station at 2 AM in Australia. And she was screaming at me, and she had not just one entity, she had quite a few entities behind her, and she was telling me to get them out of her. and she actually went basically crazy, had an episode on the session. That was the one time that ever happened. And I got to the point where I said, look, whatever I do to you, I can't help you. Because she was that far gone in the psychosis and in the darkness. And I remember I rang Andrew after, and I was like, you know, What a weird session. It was like you couldn't have done anything else for her. The best thing she needs to do is go on meds and go see someone and go into a home. Um, because that's the level of psychosis I've seen and it's quite scary. And to see someone in that state. Um, then there's someone who rang me not a week before that who had a suicide demon in him. Uh, straight away when I started the session, I could feel it and it started [00:44:00] attacking me. Um, basically I helped the suicide demon out of him. It took a long time and he actually couldn't realize it was out of him and he was hitting his head. Even though it was gone, he thought it was still there because he was so used to it being in him. that guy went on and he, he got another demon, but a different one, a different one came in because his core His core opening for those things getting in was trauma and all the shit he didn't deal with and this is why I highly recommend inner work fortification, purification, looking after yourself, clearing your energy field, doing the inner work because you'll get to the point where they can't get into you.
Hmm.
because you have no holes in your aura.
Hmm.
when people have a lot of shit wrong with them and they have an opening in their aura. That's usually when stuff can get in. Um, so this is why all the stuff is important for looking after yourself. I'm trying to think of other stuff we've had. we've had a guy where we did, um, uh, face to face, [00:45:00] where we did a, an extraction and this guy tried, the demon actually tried to snap his neck. So as it came out, the guy, it tried to snap his around and kill him. So when we were getting out, you have to hold his head up to two people there, Andrew was there and you have to hold his head and he was coming out and he was trying, he was trying to kill the guy as he came out. Um, so had my fair share of shit, but I personally, I don't like D I don't choose to want to deal with that. The reason behind that is because. I deal with stuff like that, it doesn't take a session for me to disconnect and just switch off. I have to then clean myself for days after. I have to get vomit, stuff out of my energy field. So when I do a session and if there's anything of that going on, it's not just a one session thing for me. I've got to do purification the next two days. Uh, there are points where, like I went for a float after that suicide demon guy, it started attacking me. forward in time an hour later. so there's all sorts of stuff to deal with, but I [00:46:00] don't deal with that all the time, but I
Yeah.
I don't, I don't want to deal with that stuff because I have to, but no, I'd rather deal with just nice session instead of dealing with all that shit, because you use a lot of your energy.
It takes up a lot of your own life force
Yeah.
Hmm.
there's ancestral beings as well. We'll talk about ancestral haunting beings. I've had quite a lot of them where I've innately realized no matter what I do, I can't get rid of them. Uh, there was one of them which I got rid of, which I knew would come back in two weeks. He then came on the show, Andrew's show, two weeks later and Andrew told him the same thing. So ancestral beings are basically like negative beings in designed to go from down the lineage to haunt them and give them like
Hmm.
like that. you have to basically have someone in the lineage to go into self mastery, self healing to break it. Uh, that's the only way you can get rid of them. No matter how skilled you are as a shaman, you cannot get rid [00:47:00] of someone's demon who's ancestrally haunted. will regenerate and come straight back in. So you, the people in the lineage, it was basically a thousands of thousand years ago. They brought all of these beings into, to obviously come into lineages and haunt them, basically to wake them up, so they'd come into some sort of self mastery. Um, so yeah, I've seen it firsthand, ancestral hauntings and so on. that's when you see abuse, you see stuff like that, that's sometimes that.
Wow.
That's crazy. Um, and scary.
Yeah. Formbrahenj, last, I don't do public ceremonies anymore. Um, I don't just have people come in from public into ceremonial space anymore. Because last two spring equinox ago, a lady came in the place, I do the ceremonies at called Thornburgh Henge. We had about 30 people and she came in and I looked [00:48:00] at her and I could see the, the entity inside her eyes. we started doing the psychic surgery and started doing the prayer work and it all of a sudden started coming out of her. Um, and as it came out of her, it screamed it was coming out of her, I stood over the top of it and it was trying to come into me, but it couldn't get into me. it was coming out of her, she screamed, but she screamed like the highest pitch scream you'd ever imagine you could ever hear, higher than any horror story or horror films you hear. was a scream, high pitch I've never witnessed in my life or never want to hear again. It went so high and just kept going and going and going and wouldn't stop. And as this entity came out, it spewed demon vomit on me. That's why it was screaming. It was
Oh
to throw vomit at me. So it couldn't get into me.
So, so right. I was going to start screaming at you. So my ears, you know, with a high pitch noise, where it just goes through your head, it was just screaming and screaming at me and came out. And afterwards, I remember, I was like, I'm never doing public ceremonies again. I'm never doing this shit again. [00:49:00] was me done. Like, I'm not doing that shit. Like But it's nice to talk about stories like this. I've never really talked about stuff like this.
Let's see. What is your favorite or most inspiring story in regards to the grandmothers and grandfathers? Um, so we, I guess you, you, you've talked a little bit about that, but, um,
so another story would be, my grandma died when I was 18 years old. I had a dream with her where I was sat beside a Ferris wheel with the flower of life on the Ferris wheel lit up. So it's just a Ferris wheel with a flower of life in the middle of it going round and round. And I was speaking to her. And last year in last September, after my divorce, I went to Birmingham to see a concert, and as I walked out, I [00:50:00] saw that Ferris wheel I saw in my dreams, how many years ago? How many is that? Uh, 15 years later, 16 years later, I went, went and saw that Ferris wheel in my dreams when I had my grandmother. and at the start when she died, I started learning how to communicate to her. Uh, she's a celestial being now. Um, and she was basically showing me the roadmap back to the great remembering. And going back to my first experience of when I saw all my ancestors around me, literally as rainbow beings, color, aura, color aura, showing me loads of different things, they were showing me the roadmap back. So my psychic surgery is called the roadmap back to the remembering. So each and every time we can see little roadmaps, little signs. little things showing us a way back to the great remembering of who we are. We have the grandmothers and grandfathers within our DNA. We can speak to them. We can communicate to them. can allow them to work through us in psychic surgery or can come into sessions and so on. so [00:51:00] for me, that was so, so inspiring being able to go into that. Then the iOS came where I went with the founder beings into my lineage. Um, and that was very, very special. And they were showing me of how I can work with them and people have the ability to work with them in, in surgery and awareness as I'm speaking to them now, my, my crown's getting pretty crazy. it's like. They're basically the original grandfathers and grandmothers of this galaxy, and they created the Earth, they created all the planets around the galaxy. They didn't create them, but they put them in the position to create this galaxy. So the original ancestors of this galaxy, as Andrew talks about it, like an iPhone. They're like the iPhone holders, the iPhone owners. And they were showing me everyone has the ability to start saying prayer and remembering them again, because they want to be remembered, just like our grandmothers and grandfathers of thousands of thousands of generations. [00:52:00] They want to be remembered as well.
And we have the ability to work with thousands, 20, 000 or how many ancestors we have millions, but behind it all. Is the original grandmothers and grandfathers and a lot of them are here now, um, in bodies, parts of them are in bodies in this great remembering not all of them. There's a lot of them still not here, but they were showing me that they're, they're here and to start working with them in psychic surgery, which is going to be another training psychic surgery free how to work with the original grandfathers and grandmothers. So that was so inspiring, man. Um, I was in a lot of tears connecting to them. They appeared to me as huge wizards. pointy hats. It was really funny how they showed themselves. They're like really old men with pointy hats. And so I had that experience, um, which was really cool. Um, then yeah, like the hub of interconnectivity is something I connect to a lot, [00:53:00] which is basically a connective point in the Aurora Borealis, which connects to the other, uh, Aurora Borealis or other planets and other worlds of ancestors. and that's what, yeah, that's the main thing. I teach psychic surgery. But psychic surgery is all about giving people the ro roadmap back to the remembering of who they are. A universal source being an ancestor, red road ancestor.
right.
yeah,
Uh, red Road Ancestor, who, uh, can you define that?
so red blood, infrared, ancestor of the infrared and red blood. Uh, then when we drop our robes and we die, we go onto the blue road of spirit, the infra, the blue. Um, so we are the red road ancestors. Then we go in, when we pass on, we become Blue Road Spirit Ancestors.
Ah, okay. Nice. I like that.
Uh, yeah, I got body shivers when you were talking there. Um,[00:54:00]
that I like, I love that concept. Uh, I, I've not, you know, it's not something you read in the books. Uh, about the, the original grandmothers and grandfathers, um, and I, I like, you know, all this, uh, all this stuff in the, in, in, in our industry, in this spiritual, you know, new age industry, um, You hear, there's a lot of stuff and what you kind of realize that, um, a lot of it comes down to perspective and framework and, and what story are you telling?
What's your, what's the story? And what I get, I mean, That's what, uh, my, my guidance asks me, instead of me asking [00:55:00] them, instead of me wanting to ask them, they ask me, what's, what's your story? What, how are you going to say, what words are you going to use? What concepts are you going to use? Um, we can come up with it, but this is, you know, this is for you.
This is your creation. What's your story and how, you know, what does it mean? So, uh, the whole grandmothers and grandfathers, the original grandmothers and grandfathers. I love that concept there. It's
There we go,
powerful.
they want to be remembered as well,
Yeah.
and grandfathers, and that's why ancestry is important, looking into your lineage. Each, each person you meet, you remember them and say, I remember you. That's all what they want, is to be remembered. And the original grandfathers and have been forgotten in this world. Um, and now going through the Great Remembering, it's about remembering them, and using them, [00:56:00] praying to them, asking for their guidance and strength. Because that's what they want, and they want us to realize that we can open our DNA to connect to them and allow them in our DNA again.
Hmm.
have not allowed them in their DNA because they've completely forgotten and disconnect from the tree of life.
Because that's what it all is, a tree of life.
Ah, yeah.
of this tree of life. And obviously the Kabbalah teachings and all those different various teachings which people do. Uh, have meaning behind it, but it's about how you see that meaning. And for me, I see it as, as we are the roadmap and it's about you reading the roadmap.
Your podcast is a roadmap. It's giving you messages, teachings about, yeah. And karmic clearings, karmic balancing. Like that's something Aya showed me, my podcast and shows. you're doing these shows, you're balancing karma. And in the unseen world, you're doing a lot of great work. So when I do a show with people, various healers or people who come on for sessions and so on, I'm just balancing karma all the time. [00:57:00] And they were showing me the great work you do when you do podcasts and great shows like these,
Hmm.
a standing wave of energy for people, showing them a map. We're doing this, we're going through this change. Um, do you want to listen to me? Listen to some of the ideas I have. I'm not trying to change you, but. It's about inspiring people to be themselves.
I never looked at it like that. That's, that's beautiful. That's really cool.
was like, holy shit! These shows are like, what They're like, showing me all the shows, what they're doing. I'm like, what the fuck? I was like, yep. This is good.
Yeah, it's been really fun. I've really, really had fun, man.
yeah if you have anything like I know you have, uh, some courses coming up you said?
Yeah, so I've, I've got Psychic Soju 1 coming up where you'll basically learn the [00:58:00] tools and techniques about energy clearing, um, forwards and backwards in time treatments, how to set up light generation and so on. Um, I've got Psychic Surgery 2 coming up which is basically the follow on called the roadmap back to the great remembering where it's basically working with the Aurora Borealis, the rainbow bridge, learning how to be an ancestral medium in psychic surgery. Then I'll be doing my ancestral medium workshop and I've done one of them so far yeah, again, I was in tears towards the end of it because it inspired me that much.
It was so uniquely beautiful seeing everyone go through their stages and awareness isn't that their own remembering. speaking and speak the ancestors speaking through them and feeling them, touching them, sensing them. so that will be coming up. If you want to learn how to be an ancestral medium, uh,
So where can,
I'm offering those. I'm doing a discount at the moment, so it's only 200 pounds a session. if you're feeling like you want psychic surgery, soul retrieval, [00:59:00] uh, and for me to look into you, um, and give you that extra help,
where can people, is there a place that people can find out more about this or, um, or contact you
daletobin. com is my website. Um, I also run a show called talking stick show every Tuesday. So rumble or YouTube type in talking stick show. Um, and yeah, daletobin. com is my website. Symmetry of health is the name of my business.
symmetry of health? Cool.
Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
All right, Dale. Uh, that's an awesome conversation. I call, I'm, I'm calling these hyper dimensional conversations.
Yes. There we go. Great work, man. And it's been great to have be on the show.
Yeah, it was awesome having you, uh, thank you [01:00:00] for, for taking the chance.
My pleasure. Bye guys.
Hmm
like that. you have to basically have someone in the lineage to go into self mastery, self healing to break it. Uh, that's the only way you can get rid of them. No matter how skilled you are as a shaman, you cannot get rid of someone's demon who's ancestrally haunted. will regenerate and come straight back in. It was basically a thousands of thousand years ago. They brought all of these beings into, to obviously come into lineages and haunt them, basically to wake them up, so they'd come into some sort of self mastery.
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So today, I have. , Dale Tobin. , he's, , a mentor and a coach
uh, psychic surgeon and [00:03:00] ancestral medium.
And I, I first saw him on, , the Galactic Historian, YouTube channel kind of a new face. Like, I, I had been following Galactic Historian for a few years. And then, uh, in the past few, in the past, I don't know, was it been like three years?
Three, altogether three years. Yes.
Like three years ago Saw a new face pop up. A couple, a couple new faces. And one of them was Dale. Uh, rather than me butcher your bio, why don't you just, in your own words, give us a little idea of where you're coming from, um, where you're at.
So I have been a practitioner and teacher for just over 12 years now. I first started just before 2012, like 2010. Um, I had a moment in time where I had a visitation from my ancestors. Um, I saw. My ancestors stood around me in, like, a rainbow liquid [00:04:00] auric form. and they were showing me, like, this kind of map. But this, it's interesting because what they were showing me, I've only realized what it was. years after I saw it and I realized it was a road map back to the remembering and it was the start of my spiritual awakening where they were showing me this road map about remembering who you are as a soul. So there was that point where found a Reiki practitioner and as soon as I went into that Reiki session, I booked in to do the Reiki training one, two and all the rest of them did that. Then I realized at some point I was doing much more than Reiki. Um, I had my first session with galactic historian, Andrew Batsis. Uh, back in 2013, I do believe, um, and he was talking, which I was understanding as surgery, soul retrieval stuff. I was doing just innately knowing when I had a space and I had a client, there was just a natural element to the, to the healing basically, where I just have a knowingness where something was or what energy [00:05:00] was, what, what was there, what needed to be taken out. So I trained in Reiki, then I learned hypnotherapy, uh, the basics of counseling. Then I went into doing, at some point I did craniosacral one, but the main thing I do is ancestral medium work, but with psychic surgery training, soul retrieval training, um, and over 12 years I've just had client, back to back clients, and over a period of time it's just become where I'm able to teach people this now.
I'm, I've had a podcast which is called The Talking Stick Show, uh, for four and a half years now, um, so that's been going every week. So. I did my show. I invited Andrew on and, um, Laura Massey, uh, who I work with, uh, as part of the team as well, uh, she was really good friends of Andrew. So I then spoke to Andrew and all of a sudden I was working with Andrew doing sessions, doing shows of him. Um, so I've basically, I'm a psychic surgery trainer practitioner, but I also assist and train people in ancestral medium communication. So how [00:06:00] do you speak to your ancestors? How can you go into a zone of trust to know you're speaking to them? And, um, yeah, that's pretty much me in a nutshell.
Nice. Cool. Um, Yeah, there's yeah, there's some, a lot to dig in there. Well, I was gonna, so like one of my follow up questions was going to be like, what your, what's I was like to ask what's your origin story and what's your superpower. So I know you just said, I know you just kind of went over some of it.
It lets a drill in just a little bit to like the actual you know, kind of the actual story behind, your first, uh, psychic emergence or spiritual awakening, however you want to, however you want to say it. Um, what was that, what was that like? And then, uh, and then, like I said, what's, what would you, do you have a [00:07:00] superpower?
And if so, what is that, what is it?
So when I first went through my awakening, it was, I was living a life where it was chaotic. Um, I split up from my first girlfriend, uh, a long relationship. I got my heart broken. Uh, I went through those stages of trying to find love, but innately I found it through Reiki spiritual practice. Um, I then got into a bit of a, it was a hard year when I first did my, when I had my kind of starting awakening point. because I was showing loads of my own shit, loads of my own personalities and parts of me which really couldn't evolve, um, all. Uh, and there was a point in time where I started going to different, various teachers. One teacher would teach me lightworker shit, which didn't work. Which made me more egoic, which kind of like spun off towards progression in my own, my own, um, understanding of it from my own journey. Uh, then I obviously I learned from Native [00:08:00] Americans, Andrew, Jamie, Sam's, all these different, various teachers about living, um, and working with the natural life force and the natural elements, the directions. And as soon as I started reading those Jamie, Sam's book, I was hooked. So I, I did a lot of Native American, uh, reading and just understanding their culture and traditions about ceremonies, rituals, and so on. Um, so my awakening was, it was, it was tough, but I had my ego come out straight away. And this happens with a lot of awakening is all of a sudden you awaken, but the ego takes over. Uh, so I had a year of kind of battling my ego, uh, until the point came, obviously, when I worked with Andrew as well. Talking about living in neutrality, living in being authentic. Um, so I had my process of kind of like, you'd say the dark night, the soul, the shadow. Until the point came where source connection was a big part of my life. Prayer was a big part of my life. Actually saying prayer to speak to the [00:09:00] creator, saying prayer to connect to the creator, connect to the inner self, connect to the ancestors. Um, that really changed me. And I started doing ceremonies and rituals. Then I did shows, which changed me even more. And like yourself, Cameron. The more you do them, the more you change and understand about your own quirks, your own programs and so on. So each day I see as a lesson. Um, and my superpower would be probably be. when I do my psychic surgery, healings, have hands which come out my back. Um, so originally before I came here, I was created a part of the universe in the Pleiades. Where I was mixed DNA with a group of species called Nevarens. Um, and I basically in my light body these hands. So as I grew as a soul, these hands came out my back, kind of like octopus tentacles. So when I'm doing my psychic surgery, I can have my hands on doing all the psychic [00:10:00] surgery. But nine of my hands come out and I can see them. I saw them when I started doing Reiki and they move around and work basically with the client and they can just know what's needed at the moment.
Wow.
can give ancestral balancing. Uh, if, if, if it's needed, uh, clearing removal of something nasty in them, adding a certain frequency, a connection portal to different psychic surgeons, which can come free as well. So the hands were like the navigation points and. There was a point in time where I could realize I could expand them even more.
So I had a thousand hands coming out my back. So as I'm doing psychic surgery, I can even keep multiplying them. Um, so that's my special power
Nice.
surgery hands. And there was a one point in time where I was doing groups, which I'm still doing groups of 40 to 30 people in the room doing psychic surgery in the whole room. So I'm able to actually connect to people. My hands start coming out and I start doing different techniques with my own self as well, my own hands and my own [00:11:00] vision, vision and connection. But my hands are going to each and every person up to 60 people I can get in a room and I can do psychic surgery treatments on all of them at once. Um, so that's something I've expanded more and more. Um, then I had a, an ayahuasca experience where, I was basically showing, um, the Bear Lodge, the Dreaming Lodge of the West, and I was in the Bear Lodge throughout my whole medicine journey, where the bear, I was sat in, like, a cabin, and I looked out the window, the Aurora Borealis was all around, and the bear stood in front of me and says, I'm gonna teach you about the bear. So I went through a whole process of learning about introspection, self reflection, and what it takes to actually go to the inner selves and understand what parts of ourself are sovereign, but I use the bear clans in psychic surgery now. So, after my ayahuasca experience, I then work with the bears, where I can have bears doing different surgery works, and bear medicine's really good at going into dream time and clearing out hell realms. So when there's ever [00:12:00] anything quite tough going on, I bring, I bring a lot of my of different bears work with me at one time. So that was an add on superpower extra thing after the ayahuasca journey. Then there was another part where my second medicine journey, I worked with the founder beings.
So as I was working, I saw four different beings around me. And it was a founder beings and they took me on a journey my lineage and different other lineages. And they showed me how to work with lineage at clearing karma from people's lineages and so on. So each and every year I add more and more to my toolbox. Um,
Mm
those are just little add ons for me. But iOS had completely assisted me because ancestors were there telling me. About one of the reasons why my contracts are here. I'm here to be a psychic surgeon. I'm here to Help thousands of thousands of people going through that process of learning Um, there's past life stuff which came through in Iowaska, Turtle Island, I had a psychic surgery school in [00:13:00] Turtle Island. Uh, there was loads of different past life stuff coming to me as well, showing me that this is the key for you now, is to help people that they can do it themselves, like, you've done the psychic surgery, showing people you can do this shit as well, and that's, there's nothing more rewarding than seeing that, seeing someone realise of how great they are as well.
hmm.
Nice. Cool. Um,
so I guess in my own journey of, uh, the psychic surgery I, I, just to let the listeners know, uh, you know, I took, I took one of your courses, um, and it was it was an interesting course. It, it, it really challenged me. I found, um, the course itself was awesome. Uh, but [00:14:00] then, like, you know, those weeks following really trying to dig into it it really challenged me.
I've found like, and this might be my own. Some of my own issues as far as uh, trust when you talk about trust. Um, but, uh, I felt like on a, on the psychic level that I kind of hit, I kept on hitting a ceiling where. I definitely don't visualize things in the way that I wish I could. And so, if I didn't visualize it, I'd have to feel into it.
And if it was a session where, let's say I come into the session not completely clear myself. Then that just ruins the whole session and I, I can't tap into, you know, I don't have the clarity to tap into, uh, that feeling, you know, um, that is where I'm at right [00:15:00] now with that. Um, well, go ahead.
so with that, when you're saying that, so that is quite common, what you experience there and innately it's basically knowing the more sessions you do, the more training you do at it. There was a point where I would have sessions six years ago and something would happen in my environment with the kids or there would be chaos, what would happen. And it would trigger me a little bit and I'd go into that into the session, but the time came where I realized in the moment I could completely flip a frequency or flip my own to go into the session. And like I get tested, like I went through a divorce and I had sessions and sessions and sessions. And I remember thinking afterwards if I can do it through a divorce or if I can do it through my dad dying or something like that. It's innately learning how to flip the frequency on it. And I experienced what you experienced at my stage when I started doing different, various psychic surgery stuff, there was a point where [00:16:00] my other selves found it hard to continue to see the infinite viewpoint. And there was, there was always a kind of like, it was like you say, the ceiling or a stop button. Um, but the more and more I realized I could do it until the point came where fun came into it, I could smile in my session. I wouldn't let pressure build up that had to be a certain person or give them a certain reading. I just allowed a complete no time, um, fun experience for myself. And that just shined on my clients because session I'm not worried or I'm not nervous, but when I first did it, it was all about right. Expectation, expectation. Um, I'm not feeling right going into the session. Um, so put from, from my point of view, there is just experience, experience, experience, and once you do the experience comes, you'll start just completely changing that frequency.
Is there any, any type of like, [00:17:00] was it just mind mind over matter type of thing? Or is there any type of trick? I don't know. I, I, I'm thinking like maybe, uh, some type of mantra, you know, um, or some type of focus,
So
focus object or something that will kind of try to you use especially to trigger, you know, to, to flip that switch.
It's
source connection, source frequency, and knowing this, and this is what I teach on psychic surgery too, which is. In one of my ayahuasca journeys, um, I was given a new workshop where they were saying this is the next part of psychic surgery. You've, you've, you've teached this starting stage, but the second stage is going to be very important because It's a roadmap back to the grandmothers and grandfathers and realizing that we are the ancestors and we hold the road map of the remembering within ourselves.
We are source connected. [00:18:00] Within us is a connection point to the creator, our own ancestors, the Aurora Borealis, the red road, the blue road of spirit. for me was just that knowing that I am part of that. I have source connection and I am allowing source connection. My source connection has no boundaries or stopping points or limitations. So when I go into a session, it's like I start building my energy where, right, source frequency now I'm connecting to my ancestors, my grandmothers, I call to them to assist me and I go into more of a high energy state. So if I have shit, like shit happens to me sometimes, like before I come onto a session there's never a point where I'll sit down, I'm like, shit, I feel shit to do this session unless I'm ill. Seven years ago was a different story. I was like, shit, I'm going to ruin this session because I'm not in a very good space, but now I can go through the chaos and just come sit down and I'm in and that's it. Or like do the workshop and, and soon as I go into that frequency and this is the [00:19:00] grandmother and grandfather, um, that we are part of them and they are within us and we can connect to them and talk to them. that allows me to kind of shake off any, any lower frequencies, angers, and so on. Um, and part of the roadmap back to the great remembering. That we all are ancestral mediums if we choose to remember.
powerful. That's cool. So we're speaking of you know, I guess the need to, I don't know, in my own mind, uh, one of my ongoing. Another one of my ongoing challenges or my ongoing like work is just to keep clear, you know, keep the, the subtle, the, the light body clear and the, and the physical body to do you, is this a, uh, do you put an emphasis on this?
[00:20:00] And if so, like, what part of your daily routine? Is this part of your daily routine? I guess is what I'm asking.
So, I'd regularly scan my energy field for projections and stuff that's not meant to be there. of the biggest things we face in the reality we are in is things coming into us and getting stuck in our energy field. Projections from people who are angry or you get into an argument with them or you trigger them and they send a projection, basically, way.
So, it's about. I do psychic surgery myself where I remove it, I find where it is, I start clearing it out and do what my rote positions and so on. Then there'll be sage where I'll be doing clearing sage, breath work, um, using the PMF mat, which I used on a daily basis, uh, which is electromagnetic frequency, uh, Lucia light.
I a Lucia light pretty much most days. Um, so for me, it's about variations, flotation tanks, very important. [00:21:00] It's not about getting stuck into one frame of saging. It's about having many different tools to be able to do the purification, fire ceremonies, uh, clearing meditations, laughing, being human, being grounded, exercise, all of those different things. So for me, I have so many different things I do because if I do the same shit over and over again, it gets boring.
Okay. So it's a daily anti routine. Um,
I have my days off. Day off. I'll have a day off per week or maybe two sometimes and have some time off when I go through my own stuff or divorce, which I've just gone through. So just yeah, regularly purification. I think that's the best way to explain that knowing what's in your body, knowing thyself, not knowing when your energy is not right, when to relax, when to sleep, when to go get help, ask people for help.
That's one of my things I advise you, um, go see a healer, go someone, go, go get some help. I have to [00:22:00] go get help as well. Everyone does
so with, uh, the, I'm trying to recall the bear lodge, would you, the bear lodge The dreaming lodge of the West. Is that what you called it?
Yes.
Can you, can you tell us more about that? Or is that is that something that you just, uh, is, is, are these like, is this coming from your spirit team, your guidance, or is this, was this like a teaching in the physical or both?
Um, and can you just tell us more about that?
Yeah. I'd love to man. So what I'm going to do now is I'm going to read which I wrote the bear lodge. it's a perfect time to read it out. Here we go the bear lodge right, so this is what I wrote after my journey with them [00:23:00] So the bear sits in the dreaming lodge to the west With the power to understand the very truth of many layers of reality The bear holds no fear in its journey and shatters the patterns of illusions of fraud dream space The bear is a great teacher of introspection of the self bear sits within the dreaming space. The bear is a great teacher of introspection of the self. Sorry, I just need to make this a bit bigger. My eyes can't really see this. I'm just going to blow it up a bit. There we go. That's better. One second. A bit smaller. There we go. So the bear sits with the dreaming vision, dreaming another great dream among the sleeping bears. dreaming Lodge of the Bear is a place of universal truths to be shared. The Lodge of the Bears holds ancestral value for everyone who enters its doors. The Bear Lodge is open to all of those who wish to dream. must respect [00:24:00] yourself to respect the Lodge of the Bear. The Bear sees through the delusions of life created by the many, the who have forgotten the code of peace. the Bear smells out negative pheromones with one sniff. The bear will always stand the ground of universal truth and bear the responsibility of holding the teachers teachings of introspection among the dreaming bears of bears. So the bear lodge is a dreamer lodge of peace and purification among the ancestral values of changing with one's reality. The bear guards those who enter the lodge of peace. Those that seek the bear are true seekers. The bear will never take sides and always understand the ancestral balancing of each lesson. The bear will sit with power and strength to never give up, never give up on its kin. strength of the bear holds unique messages through humanity and the many universal dreams. The strength of the bear is teaching, Teaching of taking one's power back from forced evolution, created by false dreamers [00:25:00] of peace. Bear Roar is a declaration of standing in one power to say no, more to those who do not bear responsibility for themselves, and force their tainted point of view among the lines of false creation. The Bear Roar sends a message out into deep dream space, of spaces of the snoring bears, calling the many bear clans to come out of hibernation, to roar and stand among the great dreaming bears. The Bear Lodge is a place of looking within oneself to regain, to regain their bear roar. The bear roar is a standing wave of action that declares ancestral balancing will be followed. So the bear brings healings to those who are ready to look at the inner shadows, showing them a way out of the illusion so new dreams can be dreamed again. The bear goes deep into hibernation into the dream worlds of the West. These dream worlds create lodges for all those to gain bears wisdom. The wisdom of the bear is honored with the many worlds held sacred by those universal peacemakers and peacekeepers. The action of the bear requires one to listen to [00:26:00] their surroundings and in a voice, what is bear showing you in your reality, which is with its fine tuned senses, the bear will guide you back to balance. So you let its medicine seed new perspectives of the dreaming self. that's some of my writings after the Ayahuasca journey and going into the Dreaming Lodge of the West. just more to add to that was, when I went into the West, it was, bear was showing me my own reality and deep in my dream space is what I was avoiding. So stuff with my children, my ex partner, it was showing me dream spaces where I wasn't looking at, which I was avoiding, and it was showing me what was, what was karmically interacting with me, and I, it was just before my divorce, literally, um, a week into it, or some, or maybe two weeks into it, I went into the bear lodge, and they showed me that that relationship wasn't in ancestral or in universal balance anymore. I was avoiding my own [00:27:00] true self and I had to become the bear to go on to my next stage of evolution. so as I was doing, I saw bear faces like with the mouth open coming at me all the time. Then they were showing me different things about my lineage, stuff about ancestral karma and basically how we have the capacity to say no and clear our own shit. the bears are the dreamers of the West and they can assist us with that. very, very powerful teachers and very, very powerful shamans. Um, and obviously watch videos of bears and just see and connect to their frequency as well. And they are the Ridiculously powerful beings they clear up nasty shit for us as well So when I have hauntings or people who are very terribly haunted in the childhood The bears go back in time to start clearing out the dream worlds So the bears are ancestral balancers, basically, and as I worked with the bears, there was a connection to the founder beings, the bears were connected to them as well, um, so they're seen as very, I'd say, very [00:28:00] unique beings in this world, um, and they have a lot to do here, and they dream and help us, and they, they, the bear lodge is in the west, and you can dream in the west and speak to the bear lodge, but all you have to do is respect yourself, because they'll show you if you don't respect yourself, They'll go into why, what you need to then go deeper into the lodge and so on.
That was, that was some powerful shit right there. That was awesome. I mean, you could take. You can take what you, what you read and like, that's like a guided meditation right there, you know, uh, add a few things to it and turn it into a journey.
Yes.
That'd be very interesting.
Was, that was some writing which I was going to do at Bear Lodge Teachings and Andrew was going to do, yeah, do, do write some stuff. I was writing stuff, he was writing stuff. [00:29:00] Um, but it didn't end up happening. At some point it will happen in the future. Um, after the medicine journey, that just came as I was connecting them.
I was just writing and there was more and more stuff coming and coming. for tuning in. There will become a point in time where I'll add to that, when I'll go to then into the frequency again, um, it's like, it's like, as you connect to them, it's like, In my session, sometimes I start crying because it's such a unique, beautiful, strong frequency.
It's so much, so much love. It's such a powerful love feeling when you connect to the dreaming or to the bear. My own emotions start coming out and I start crying. Um, so a lot of tears are shed when I connect to the bears because of how, much they have helped me, especially going through my own divorce and the strength it's taken me to continue on and know, that yeah, I'm here to do my own job, my own stuff.
And there's a version of me who is a bear as well. Andrew said, I have another part of me, which is a bear, one [00:30:00] of my versions. So there's more layers to add to that, which I need to connect to at some point.
interesting. So what is the, there, there is there a connection, there's a connection between the bear and the ancestors. Yeah.
Yes, yes, yes.
So, , I haven't, I have not worked with the ancestors a lot. In fact, when I talk to you, I know, I mean, Andrew teaches about it and, and with the, uh, with his mentorship, I've, I got into it, you know.
A lot more, but really it started with you. Um, And so for, for any listeners that, you know, are also like brand new to the idea of working with ancestors, how do you have a [00:31:00] recommendation on like the first few steps on, you know, either the, the, the mental framework involved or an actual practice that somebody can do and start to connect?
Um,
true trusting yourself, trusting who you are, not having any doubt. And when you connect to them, knowing that when you connect to the grandmothers and grandfathers is high energy, and if you're not used to high energy, it's about training yourself in short bursts. Don't do it for too long. Uh, start learning how to deal with high frequency at long periods of time. Um, eat lots of protein, have the grounding skills, um, go see people who can teach you as well. Um, I teach ancestral medium, I'm doing an ancestral medium workshop in, uh, August or September time. Um, and that basically allows people to learn about the road map and the rainbow bridge, how to understand how to connect to [00:32:00] the rainbow bridge to speak to them, how to set up your own, uh, northern, I'd say, in the Aurora Borealis of the north, how to set up your dreaming lodge, and so on, and speak to them through there. loads of different ways of doing it, but For me, it's all about confidence, uh, knowing you can do it, um, and practice very, very important. And if you've got your own shit, what comes up, work on that shit first. Before you start speaking to them more because for some people they aren't ready to speak to them yet It's all about when they deal with their own shit and get to that point where they can do it But everyone can do it. It's just a matter of putting in the effort and discipline.
Hmm. Yeah, I would, I'd immediately agree with that. A lot of my I mean, I would say a lot of it was just prayer, and just talking to them, and in the activity of talking to them I began to, like, immediately realize [00:33:00] kind of the stuff that I needed to work out. before I could deepen that relationship.
Not that you can't have a deep relationship anyway. Um, but I'm talking about bringing this to a level, to a much higher level of awareness in your life than what most people, right? When most people deal with. This is more than just a like setting up an altar and giving them feeding them food or something like that I'm I'm talking about a deep a deep connection where you know you're surrounded by them, you know on the daily and and Whenever you need them and but also you're giving back to them as well.
Hmm
point And an offering for them to be in a potential but then it's about how you can actually Have them and connect them and speak to [00:34:00] them. Um, There was one point where one of my ancestors is basically, one of my spirit guides, sorry, is my daughter now in this lifetime, her dad, her dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's, uh, is one of my spirit guides and I can see him now and he's got, he's got like a black, it's kind of like a black suit with a white shirt and it looks like a boat, it looks like a suit but it's not a suit, um, and this spirit guide is, he, in his lifetime, he worked as a printer of newspapers, the very start of newspapers when it was created.
He was a big printer and had a warehouse. Um, and Opal, my daughter now, was his daughter. And there was a point in time where I was doing a session or I was on with Andrew and I was speaking to him, he came in and there's a stream of energy and it was giving me all this information and Andrew said to me, what's going on Dale?
And he goes, and I told him and he added more layers to and he goes, that's why I asked you what was [00:35:00] going on because I could feel the stream, the stream coming into you. And it was just all this information, really fast information about Opal and his relationship and about my own self. So that was a knowingness point for me.
So that spirit guide now is in my knowingness. And this is something when you connect to them, allow yourself to bring them into knowingness. And this is a big, important thing here is knowing that they're knowing who they are getting to know one at a time. Don't try and know all of them at once. focus just one at a time, build up a relationship more and more comfortable, and to the point comes where that being is in your knowingness.
Like, I have a dragon, I saw a long time ago, um, and when I shut my eyes now I can see the dragon flying, and that dragon's in my knowingness now. So it's about realizing how can you get to know them, become friends with them, realize that they're part of you, they're watching every single fucking thing you're doing, listening to us now, and they literally watch your shit, they watch you have sex, everything, they know exactly, there's not one thing, and [00:36:00] this is what iOS me, they do not, they see everything.
You cannot hide anything from them. They see through you and everything. And that gave me this, that's like made me feel a bit nervous. And I remember afterwards I spoke to Andrew. I was like, they see everything, don't they? The fuckers. And he goes, when I realized that that spooked me out a little bit, but then I got used to it. You can't take a shit on your own.
Yeah, I don't know how many experiences I've had where, uh, they it wasn't ancestors, but you know, spirits in general will, they will show me, I mean, they will show me their view of me on the toilet. Uh, I don't know. Like, I'm, I, I'm, I'm not going to look in deep into that, uh, about what that was about, but it was just fun.
[00:37:00] It made me, made me, it freaked me out at first. Then it just made me laugh. And like, really, you watch this really. Interesting.
it is to communicate to him when you're having a shit. A lot of galactics and beings come to speak to you when you're on the toilet but you're not aware of it. might be a place where you can start getting a few communications when you're having a shit.
Ha ha ha.
Uh, okay.
That's enough Toilet talk. I'm joking. Uh,
So I, I'm calling this podcast, uh, the hyper dimensional human. So. You know, the idea came earlier this year and it, the reason why I'm [00:38:00] using it is because it, it spoke to like the multiple dimensions of life that I want to cover on the podcast, you know, that I want to talk about. But I also realized that.
My, in my own personal journey, I've dealt a lot with hyperdimensional warfare and like kind of what it takes to, uh, to, to grab a hold of your life or in order to deal with a situation where you are being attacked or you are in some type of. situation, war like situation. Um, I'm talking, I guess in this sense, I'm [00:39:00] talking more about the spirit world.
I'm not talking about battling other humans or sorcerers or anything like that. Um, but I'm, I'm finding that, uh, a lot of people have these issues on a lesser degree than I did. But it also what's interesting about it is that I'm finding that all these situations that a lot of people get into, let's say it's just like a, a lot of night terrors or you know, an addiction or, uh, you know, any number of psychological issues.
Um, it's almost like it's an opportunity. It's a window for people to, uh, step on the path, uh, of spirit. You know, to step on to, to what would Andrew call it? The self illuminated, uh, mastery. Right. [00:40:00] So have you, have you experienced this a lot in your work? Like meeting people that have these issues and, and, uh, do they realize that having these issues is their opportunity to empower themselves?
And to really step on a spiritual path. Is that something you experience a lot? And do you have any good stories?
so I experience it quite a lot, but there's, there's different layers to this. So there's, you're dealing with someone who has that awareness and has night terrorism, has stuff going on in their unseen world, or traumatized and there's a lot of trauma based stuff there where at the young age they were abused or at a young age they were heavily haunted. Um, so there's times in sessions where. You'd have to go back in time and start clearing out dream worlds, hell realms, realms when they were younger which used to haunt [00:41:00] the shit out of them, which still haunt them to this day. Um, so all the time in sessions I'm dealing with different worlds which need closing down. But then on the, the balance to this would be a lot of people look at the darkness too much. And this is a huge thing which I've dealt with people who do all the time. They'll, all they'll see is darkness and demons and ghosts and reptilians. that's all that looks back at them. That's all their reality is. So for me, all of that stuff is out there, but it can send you down crazy town. I've met a lot of people who have gone to that borderline part where they spirituality is only going to make them worse. Them going on a spiritual path is only going to make this worse. And it's hard to tell someone those words. You're, you're not going to progress in life. If you continue on the spiritual path. Because paranoia is taking over you and so on. Don't get me wrong, people can come out of it and heal from it. But a lot of people I've seen where it's fucked them up. Like the ghosts, the demons have messed with them that much that any [00:42:00] spiritual work activates them going back into it and they don't have the awareness to do the trauma work, to go back in time, do healings and sessions on the past selves. Start fortifying themselves in different ways. So I see it all the time. Then I see, I'd say diamond clients who come out yourself, are, they've gone through some stuff or whatever they've gone through, but they have this will and drive to be able to come to the other side and start doing the great work. And these are the people which inspire me when I see them, when they actually do the work and what I recommend to them, they actually go out and do it. And they, next session, they're in a better state, they feel better. Yeah. But then you get people who just want to try, get you to fix them. Literally just want fixed.
I've had last year, I had sessions of demons, probably about seven or six sessions in a row of people with demons and ancestral entities and so on. There was a lady who rang me a quick session. It was [00:43:00] like a fast two days. It took for her to book.
Then all of a sudden she was in a gas station at 2 AM in Australia. And she was screaming at me, and she had not just one entity, she had quite a few entities behind her, and she was telling me to get them out of her. and she actually went basically crazy, had an episode on the session. That was the one time that ever happened. And I got to the point where I said, look, whatever I do to you, I can't help you. Because she was that far gone in the psychosis and in the darkness. And I remember I rang Andrew after, and I was like, you know, What a weird session. It was like you couldn't have done anything else for her. The best thing she needs to do is go on meds and go see someone and go into a home. Um, because that's the level of psychosis I've seen and it's quite scary. And to see someone in that state. Um, then there's someone who rang me not a week before that who had a suicide demon in him. Uh, straight away when I started the session, I could feel it and it started [00:44:00] attacking me. Um, basically I helped the suicide demon out of him. It took a long time and he actually couldn't realize it was out of him and he was hitting his head. Even though it was gone, he thought it was still there because he was so used to it being in him. that guy went on and he, he got another demon, but a different one, a different one came in because his core His core opening for those things getting in was trauma and all the shit he didn't deal with and this is why I highly recommend inner work fortification, purification, looking after yourself, clearing your energy field, doing the inner work because you'll get to the point where they can't get into you.
Hmm.
because you have no holes in your aura.
Hmm.
when people have a lot of shit wrong with them and they have an opening in their aura. That's usually when stuff can get in. Um, so this is why all the stuff is important for looking after yourself. I'm trying to think of other stuff we've had. we've had a guy where we did, um, uh, face to face, [00:45:00] where we did a, an extraction and this guy tried, the demon actually tried to snap his neck. So as it came out, the guy, it tried to snap his around and kill him. So when we were getting out, you have to hold his head up to two people there, Andrew was there and you have to hold his head and he was coming out and he was trying, he was trying to kill the guy as he came out. Um, so had my fair share of shit, but I personally, I don't like D I don't choose to want to deal with that. The reason behind that is because. I deal with stuff like that, it doesn't take a session for me to disconnect and just switch off. I have to then clean myself for days after. I have to get vomit, stuff out of my energy field. So when I do a session and if there's anything of that going on, it's not just a one session thing for me. I've got to do purification the next two days. Uh, there are points where, like I went for a float after that suicide demon guy, it started attacking me. forward in time an hour later. so there's all sorts of stuff to deal with, but I [00:46:00] don't deal with that all the time, but I
Yeah.
I don't, I don't want to deal with that stuff because I have to, but no, I'd rather deal with just nice session instead of dealing with all that shit, because you use a lot of your energy.
It takes up a lot of your own life force
Yeah.
Hmm.
there's ancestral beings as well. We'll talk about ancestral haunting beings. I've had quite a lot of them where I've innately realized no matter what I do, I can't get rid of them. Uh, there was one of them which I got rid of, which I knew would come back in two weeks. He then came on the show, Andrew's show, two weeks later and Andrew told him the same thing. So ancestral beings are basically like negative beings in designed to go from down the lineage to haunt them and give them like
Hmm.
like that. you have to basically have someone in the lineage to go into self mastery, self healing to break it. Uh, that's the only way you can get rid of them. No matter how skilled you are as a shaman, you cannot get rid [00:47:00] of someone's demon who's ancestrally haunted. will regenerate and come straight back in. So you, the people in the lineage, it was basically a thousands of thousand years ago. They brought all of these beings into, to obviously come into lineages and haunt them, basically to wake them up, so they'd come into some sort of self mastery. Um, so yeah, I've seen it firsthand, ancestral hauntings and so on. that's when you see abuse, you see stuff like that, that's sometimes that.
Wow.
That's crazy. Um, and scary.
Yeah. Formbrahenj, last, I don't do public ceremonies anymore. Um, I don't just have people come in from public into ceremonial space anymore. Because last two spring equinox ago, a lady came in the place, I do the ceremonies at called Thornburgh Henge. We had about 30 people and she came in and I looked [00:48:00] at her and I could see the, the entity inside her eyes. we started doing the psychic surgery and started doing the prayer work and it all of a sudden started coming out of her. Um, and as it came out of her, it screamed it was coming out of her, I stood over the top of it and it was trying to come into me, but it couldn't get into me. it was coming out of her, she screamed, but she screamed like the highest pitch scream you'd ever imagine you could ever hear, higher than any horror story or horror films you hear. was a scream, high pitch I've never witnessed in my life or never want to hear again. It went so high and just kept going and going and going and wouldn't stop. And as this entity came out, it spewed demon vomit on me. That's why it was screaming. It was
Oh
to throw vomit at me. So it couldn't get into me.
So, so right. I was going to start screaming at you. So my ears, you know, with a high pitch noise, where it just goes through your head, it was just screaming and screaming at me and came out. And afterwards, I remember, I was like, I'm never doing public ceremonies again. I'm never doing this shit again. [00:49:00] was me done. Like, I'm not doing that shit. Like But it's nice to talk about stories like this. I've never really talked about stuff like this.
Let's see. What is your favorite or most inspiring story in regards to the grandmothers and grandfathers? Um, so we, I guess you, you, you've talked a little bit about that, but, um,
so another story would be, my grandma died when I was 18 years old. I had a dream with her where I was sat beside a Ferris wheel with the flower of life on the Ferris wheel lit up. So it's just a Ferris wheel with a flower of life in the middle of it going round and round. And I was speaking to her. And last year in last September, after my divorce, I went to Birmingham to see a concert, and as I walked out, I [00:50:00] saw that Ferris wheel I saw in my dreams, how many years ago? How many is that? Uh, 15 years later, 16 years later, I went, went and saw that Ferris wheel in my dreams when I had my grandmother. and at the start when she died, I started learning how to communicate to her. Uh, she's a celestial being now. Um, and she was basically showing me the roadmap back to the great remembering. And going back to my first experience of when I saw all my ancestors around me, literally as rainbow beings, color, aura, color aura, showing me loads of different things, they were showing me the roadmap back. So my psychic surgery is called the roadmap back to the remembering. So each and every time we can see little roadmaps, little signs. little things showing us a way back to the great remembering of who we are. We have the grandmothers and grandfathers within our DNA. We can speak to them. We can communicate to them. can allow them to work through us in psychic surgery or can come into sessions and so on. so [00:51:00] for me, that was so, so inspiring being able to go into that. Then the iOS came where I went with the founder beings into my lineage. Um, and that was very, very special. And they were showing me of how I can work with them and people have the ability to work with them in, in surgery and awareness as I'm speaking to them now, my, my crown's getting pretty crazy. it's like. They're basically the original grandfathers and grandmothers of this galaxy, and they created the Earth, they created all the planets around the galaxy. They didn't create them, but they put them in the position to create this galaxy. So the original ancestors of this galaxy, as Andrew talks about it, like an iPhone. They're like the iPhone holders, the iPhone owners. And they were showing me everyone has the ability to start saying prayer and remembering them again, because they want to be remembered, just like our grandmothers and grandfathers of thousands of thousands of generations. [00:52:00] They want to be remembered as well.
And we have the ability to work with thousands, 20, 000 or how many ancestors we have millions, but behind it all. Is the original grandmothers and grandfathers and a lot of them are here now, um, in bodies, parts of them are in bodies in this great remembering not all of them. There's a lot of them still not here, but they were showing me that they're, they're here and to start working with them in psychic surgery, which is going to be another training psychic surgery free how to work with the original grandfathers and grandmothers. So that was so inspiring, man. Um, I was in a lot of tears connecting to them. They appeared to me as huge wizards. pointy hats. It was really funny how they showed themselves. They're like really old men with pointy hats. And so I had that experience, um, which was really cool. Um, then yeah, like the hub of interconnectivity is something I connect to a lot, [00:53:00] which is basically a connective point in the Aurora Borealis, which connects to the other, uh, Aurora Borealis or other planets and other worlds of ancestors. and that's what, yeah, that's the main thing. I teach psychic surgery. But psychic surgery is all about giving people the ro roadmap back to the remembering of who they are. A universal source being an ancestor, red road ancestor.
right.
yeah,
Uh, red Road Ancestor, who, uh, can you define that?
so red blood, infrared, ancestor of the infrared and red blood. Uh, then when we drop our robes and we die, we go onto the blue road of spirit, the infra, the blue. Um, so we are the red road ancestors. Then we go in, when we pass on, we become Blue Road Spirit Ancestors.
Ah, okay. Nice. I like that.
Uh, yeah, I got body shivers when you were talking there. Um,[00:54:00]
that I like, I love that concept. Uh, I, I've not, you know, it's not something you read in the books. Uh, about the, the original grandmothers and grandfathers, um, and I, I like, you know, all this, uh, all this stuff in the, in, in, in our industry, in this spiritual, you know, new age industry, um, You hear, there's a lot of stuff and what you kind of realize that, um, a lot of it comes down to perspective and framework and, and what story are you telling?
What's your, what's the story? And what I get, I mean, That's what, uh, my, my guidance asks me, instead of me asking [00:55:00] them, instead of me wanting to ask them, they ask me, what's, what's your story? What, how are you going to say, what words are you going to use? What concepts are you going to use? Um, we can come up with it, but this is, you know, this is for you.
This is your creation. What's your story and how, you know, what does it mean? So, uh, the whole grandmothers and grandfathers, the original grandmothers and grandfathers. I love that concept there. It's
There we go,
powerful.
they want to be remembered as well,
Yeah.
and grandfathers, and that's why ancestry is important, looking into your lineage. Each, each person you meet, you remember them and say, I remember you. That's all what they want, is to be remembered. And the original grandfathers and have been forgotten in this world. Um, and now going through the Great Remembering, it's about remembering them, and using them, [00:56:00] praying to them, asking for their guidance and strength. Because that's what they want, and they want us to realize that we can open our DNA to connect to them and allow them in our DNA again.
Hmm.
have not allowed them in their DNA because they've completely forgotten and disconnect from the tree of life.
Because that's what it all is, a tree of life.
Ah, yeah.
of this tree of life. And obviously the Kabbalah teachings and all those different various teachings which people do. Uh, have meaning behind it, but it's about how you see that meaning. And for me, I see it as, as we are the roadmap and it's about you reading the roadmap.
Your podcast is a roadmap. It's giving you messages, teachings about, yeah. And karmic clearings, karmic balancing. Like that's something Aya showed me, my podcast and shows. you're doing these shows, you're balancing karma. And in the unseen world, you're doing a lot of great work. So when I do a show with people, various healers or people who come on for sessions and so on, I'm just balancing karma all the time. [00:57:00] And they were showing me the great work you do when you do podcasts and great shows like these,
Hmm.
a standing wave of energy for people, showing them a map. We're doing this, we're going through this change. Um, do you want to listen to me? Listen to some of the ideas I have. I'm not trying to change you, but. It's about inspiring people to be themselves.
I never looked at it like that. That's, that's beautiful. That's really cool.
was like, holy shit! These shows are like, what They're like, showing me all the shows, what they're doing. I'm like, what the fuck? I was like, yep. This is good.
Yeah, it's been really fun. I've really, really had fun, man.
yeah if you have anything like I know you have, uh, some courses coming up you said?
Yeah, so I've, I've got Psychic Soju 1 coming up where you'll basically learn the [00:58:00] tools and techniques about energy clearing, um, forwards and backwards in time treatments, how to set up light generation and so on. Um, I've got Psychic Surgery 2 coming up which is basically the follow on called the roadmap back to the great remembering where it's basically working with the Aurora Borealis, the rainbow bridge, learning how to be an ancestral medium in psychic surgery. Then I'll be doing my ancestral medium workshop and I've done one of them so far yeah, again, I was in tears towards the end of it because it inspired me that much.
It was so uniquely beautiful seeing everyone go through their stages and awareness isn't that their own remembering. speaking and speak the ancestors speaking through them and feeling them, touching them, sensing them. so that will be coming up. If you want to learn how to be an ancestral medium, uh,
So where can,
I'm offering those. I'm doing a discount at the moment, so it's only 200 pounds a session. if you're feeling like you want psychic surgery, soul retrieval, [00:59:00] uh, and for me to look into you, um, and give you that extra help,
where can people, is there a place that people can find out more about this or, um, or contact you
daletobin. com is my website. Um, I also run a show called talking stick show every Tuesday. So rumble or YouTube type in talking stick show. Um, and yeah, daletobin. com is my website. Symmetry of health is the name of my business.
symmetry of health? Cool.
Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
All right, Dale. Uh, that's an awesome conversation. I call, I'm, I'm calling these hyper dimensional conversations.
Yes. There we go. Great work, man. And it's been great to have be on the show.
Yeah, it was awesome having you, uh, thank you [01:00:00] for, for taking the chance.
My pleasure. Bye guys.
