FIVEAA Breakfast with Will & Stacey - 27 October 2026

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Speaker 4: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee.
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Speaker 1: Ten after six, good morning to you. Welcome to Tuesday on 5AA Breakfast. It is the 27th of October. Getting seriously late in the year now. Big week in federal politics. Phil Currie has been in Canberra for all of it. We'll be chatting with him after 7.30 today. Very much looking forward to that. I'm looking forward to talking MotoGP with MotoGP enthusiast Lord Mayor Jane Lomax-Smith, who revealed on this program that she was a big MotoGP fan previously. We were sceptical. Well, we have proof of concept now because we have Intel. She was on Phillip Island for the abandoned Grand Prix over the weekend. So we're talking to her about that after 7 o'clock this morning. I'm just intrigued by that story too, to no end. One of the biggest stories in the world that we've spoken about broadly, conceptually, now we've got a real-life example, is of data centres being built in all sorts of locations and near small towns in suburbs in the Adelaide Hills. So there is a big outrage about a data centre that's been built there. We'll be chatting with a local, but I tell you what, there's no better group of locals than you folks. And we'd love to hear your thoughts on this over the course of the morning, because this Right now in America, as they head into the midterm season, this is as big a local issue as you get. And it's uniformly across the country. They're being built everywhere. One of the funny things, irrespective of where you sit on the political spectrum, people generally don't really like them. That much is tested as true as well. And now it's our problem as well. So how are we going to grapple with that? We're going to get a dirty show after 8.30 today. I think that's a fascinating one. Stacey Lee, good morning to you.
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Speaker 5: Good morning, Will. There's also the economic side.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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Speaker 5: Of data centres too. I mean, they fuel inflation. They're making inflation worse in parts of the country where they're being built and they're taking builders away from homes and roads and hospitals.
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Speaker 1: See, I think that, and we'll talk more in more depth about it after 8.30, but there's part of me that thinks it's unclear what the social dividend is of a data centre. I'm not really clear beyond the jobs we get immediately. Yes, you get jobs.
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Speaker 5: In construction, though.
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Speaker 1: In construction. There's not a whole lot of jobs ongoing. There are some.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So that's something. But beyond that, it's unclear to me what we get as a community for saying you get this much land and you build this fairly ugly-looking building and it's going to be there for a long time and it sucks up a lot of power and so forth. The other part, though, is part of me worries, have we done this before in Australia? Is this a bit like we're saying no to nuclear?
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Is this a bit like saying we're going to import all of our fuel? Are we at the same sort of inflection point in history where the thing that is going to be powering stuff into the future, we've got an opportunity to have it here in our control, are we again going to import it? Okay.
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Speaker 5: I haven't heard that argument being prosecuted, but if that was part of the argument, it might make a couple of people think differently about it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the way I think about it.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: But then I don't know what having the physical structure in your backyard actually, I don't know what that gives you in terms of control or opportunity. Like I know if there's an oil rig digging out in the Great Australian Bight, we might get cheaper petrol. We might. It hasn't been the experience with gas, but you know what I mean.
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Speaker 5: If the infrastructure is there first.
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Speaker 1: But I just wonder, we're great. And look, this is not just an Australian problem. I want to be clear with that. We are very good at saying no to things in the first instance and then getting a few decades down the track and going, Why don't we have that thing that's really important here? Well, we said no. That's why. But then I can't explain what their benefits are. It's all so new.
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Speaker 5: And to this point, you're right. I haven't heard anyone be able to explain the benefits properly. As a physical, tangible thing to say to South Australians, the reason we need this here is because you will get ABC.
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Speaker 4: You're right.
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Speaker 1: Standing in contrast to that, I'm very clear on what the benefit of the Big Sultana is in Mildura. Have you heard about this, folks?
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Speaker 5: The Big Sultana.
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Speaker 1: The Big Sultana is 5.25 metres tall. The Mildura Rural City Council Mayor said it was a fun and fitting way for locals to celebrate the growers, workers and families who shaped the region. Mildura's getting a big Sultana. There is no better brainstorming session you can have in this country than working out what big thing we need. What big thing do we need? 8223 0000. Text us on 04808 1395. So Mildura got the Sultana. Let's make sure we don't let the rest of the country get the jump on us on other big things.
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Speaker 5: Can I say I had a look at the big Sultana in Mildura. I'm so glad it's got a smiley face on it.
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Speaker 1: Oh, it's odd.
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Speaker 5: If it didn't have the smiley face, just big brown rabbit poo.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. It's not attractive, is it?
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Speaker 5: They really needed to put the big googly eyes and the smiley smile on it.
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Speaker 1: Some things made bigger don't look any more... You know, a small sultana, fine.
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Speaker 8: Sure.
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Speaker 1: A big sultana starts to become indistinguishable from rabbit poo.
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Speaker 5: Because I was trying to think of... Some classic South Australian things. And, you know, the cliches come to mind. A big can of Coopers.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 5: A big frog cake. A big fruit choc. And I thought, no, fruit choc has the same problem as a big sultana.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it does. Yeah, you're right. We run into the same problem. So factor that into your thinking, folks. 8223 0000. Based on our experience last week, I think we need a big beef schnitzel.
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Speaker 5: Oh, that's a good one.
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Speaker 1: Now, the problem you run into is one of proportions because schnitzels, of course, are flat. So to accurately model a– to scale schnitzel, having it be tall, it's going to have to be probably a kilometre wide.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Let's go to Mike in O'Sullivan Beach. What's the big thing we need here, Mike?
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Speaker 6: We've already got it.
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Speaker 9: The big marijuana joints. As you drive into town from Tollgate– That's the first service station?
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Speaker 10: Yeah.
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Speaker 9: It's got five big marijuana joints.
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Speaker 1: Does it? I confess I haven't seen it, Mike.
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Speaker 9: Next time you drive past, have a look.
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Speaker 1: All right. I'll take your word for it, Mike.
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Speaker 5: There is some sort of a statue thing there, but I've never noticed. Surely it's not that, though.
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Speaker 1: Well, let's see what our listeners think. Can you make sense of what Mike's already observed in terms of big stuff? Tony and Seton, what have you got for us?
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Speaker 5: Good morning.
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Speaker 11: A big bottle of Grange Hermitage in Victoria Square with a $ 2 coin dispenser where you can fill it up on the bottom with.
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Speaker 12: A little tap.
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Speaker 5: Oh, I love that it's a $ 2 dispenser as well.
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Speaker 1: How much Grange are you getting for $ 2? It's a small dispensation. Thank you, Tony. That's good, though.
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Speaker 5: That is a good one.
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Speaker 1: We don't have a big wine bottle. How do we not have a big wine bottle?
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Speaker 5: I was even thinking a big wine glass.
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Speaker 1: A big wine glass. We've missed a trick there. That's an easy one.
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Speaker 5: Because if you have a bottle... What label are you putting on it? There's too many classic South Australian wineries.
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Speaker 1: That's a good point. You can't play favourites.
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Speaker 13: No.
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Speaker 1: Big glass or big bottle. McLaren Vale will do this, I think.
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Speaker 10: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Barossa will have a committee and they'll ultimately reject it. McLaren Vale will just build a really funky looking glass. Sally in Hillcrest, good morning.
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Speaker 14: Good morning.
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Speaker 15: How are you?
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Speaker 5: Good, Sally.
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Speaker 16: What about Nippa and Nimble?
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Speaker 1: Just have them permanently displayed somewhere, you think, Sally?
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Speaker 16: Yep, and they'd look fine big because they're horses. Or the big rocking horse, either or.
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Speaker 14: Any of them with the horses because they're all uniquely, I think.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we could have more big horses. Big nipper and big nimble. Yep. Patty just held up a picture of the big joint that Mike is talking about. I totally see it all of a sudden.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's right.
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Speaker 1: That sculpture looks like a series of rollies. There's 11 of them.
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Speaker 5: There's 11 of them.
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Speaker 1: 11 of them.
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Speaker 5: Well, is it a myth? That South Australia is one of the only states where you're allowed to grow marijuana for personal use?
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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. What was the six-plant rule? I think it was. I didn't know that did not cross the border, though. I thought that was a universally Australian thing.
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Speaker 5: That was one of the big selling points for me moving here.
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Speaker 1: Is that right?
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Speaker 17: No.
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Speaker 1: How is your grow house going?
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Speaker 5: When I did say I'm moving to Adelaide, they went, oh, okay.
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Speaker 18: You're allowed to grow your own marijuana there.
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Speaker 1: Is that what people said?
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Speaker 10: Okay.
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Speaker 1: That's what people are saying about us outside of South Australia, aren't they?
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Speaker 5: I've now got a green thumb.
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Speaker 1: All the money spent on tourism, campaigns, big events by the Premier, six plant rules still getting people here. All right. More big stuff. That was fantastic. 8223 0000. Text us on 04808 1395. Some good ideas coming through on the text line. We'll get to those in a moment.
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Speaker 19: Knockdown.
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Speaker 5: Metro Homes. They do it all for you.
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Speaker 1: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee.
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Speaker 3: This is 5AA Breakfast.
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Speaker 1: 22 after six. We've gone a little detour in our discussion about big stuff inspired by the big Sultana Mildura because Mike noticed the sculpture on the way to... It's on.
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Speaker 5: The way down the hill when you're coming off the freeway at the servo on the corner. There's a sculpture that he said it looks like a few marijuana joints.
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Speaker 1: It does. And it does. There's a toll gate. And now.
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Speaker 1: I referenced the six-plant rule, and you said you'd heard about some rumour of an absence of criminality, but that doesn't exist anymore in South Australia.
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Speaker 4: No.
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Speaker 5: So we found out, not that we would ever encourage anyone to do any illegal activity. If you are growing marijuana plants, it's probably not a good idea. There's a one-plant limit. If you are growing one plant outside, you could get a fine. rather than a criminal conviction any more than that is a criminal conviction basically.
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Speaker 1: So the history of this because i was thinking well sure what that's there's obviously some origin of it was 10 the threshold for criminality was 10 plants in the 80s and then 90s and then From 1999 to 2008, it dropped to three. And from 2008 onwards, now it's one. So it's never been legal. But the threshold for it to become a criminal offence, not a fine, has shifted.
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Speaker 5: That was the start of things going downhill, I think. Did you say in the 80s?
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Speaker 7: 87.
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Speaker 1: That's probably what brought the state bank down.
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Speaker 5: We were lamenting how the city was better back in the 80s and 90s. A lot of things were easier back in the 80s. Maybe that's why. Bring back the 10-plus rule.
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Speaker 1: Could well be. Paddy suggested we could grow one in the studio, which would be problematic when the new police commissioner starts coming in.
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Speaker 4: And I will say it's outdoors.
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Speaker 20: Outdoors.
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Speaker 5: You're allowed to grow outdoors, not indoors and not hydroponically.
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Speaker 1: All right. Let's depart this grow house conversation.
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Speaker 5: Stop encouraging.
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Speaker 1: Let's go to Gawler. Rick, what's the big thing you've got for us? That sounded really weird, Rick. What big suggestion have you got for us?
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Speaker 9: I had on my mind a big piece of chicken salt.
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Speaker 1: Yes. Good one. Like a granule of chicken salt or is.
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Speaker 10: The chicken salt?
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Speaker 12: Yeah, a big grain of chicken salt.
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Speaker 1: Just a big grain of chicken salt.
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Speaker 10: Ha, ha, ha.
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Speaker 12: Either that or a statue of Peter Brinkworth.
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Speaker 4: All right.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Rick. A big grain of chicken salt.
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Speaker 14: I like that one.
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Speaker 1: I need to see that one before we get my head around it. Sue and Milo, good morning.
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Speaker 19: Yeah, can I have a really big text walker?
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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, now you're talking.
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Speaker 20: I'd love that.
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Speaker 1: Stacey's not convinced. No, it'd be good. I'd love a big text. Or maybe just a big text mullet. That'd be good, too.
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Speaker 16: Yeah, no, anywhere techs, but a big techs walker would be lovely.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd take a big techs walker. Thank you, Sue. Any coming in from the techs line?
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Speaker 5: Con said we supply 80% of the world's opals, so a big opal is the way to go. That would be beautiful.
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Speaker 1: Surely there's a big opal we could dig up out there somewhere out north.
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Speaker 5: Imagine that one.
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Speaker 1: Just a big enough. It's got to be one down there deeper. So what if BHP, the Olympic Dam type machinery, can surely excavate us a giant opal?
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Speaker 5: They'd be able to.
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Speaker 1: Find an opal, yeah.
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Speaker 5: A massive floating pie placed in the Torrens with the colour of the Torrens. It'll be a huge pie floater, says James in Fullerton.
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Speaker 1: The visual representation of a pie floater. It sounds like a Mona exhibit. It does. A big pie in a muddy river.
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Speaker 5: And so does Brett's suggestion, a big bung of frits.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good. We're overdue for bung frits, a giant version in South Australia. Keep those suggestions coming in. They're all good ones. 8223 0000 if you'd like to make the case live on the air with us. We don't have a big hot day on the way. It's cool at the moment. 9.4 degrees outside. Apparent temperature 8.9. Heading for a top today of 20. I don't think there's any rain on the way. It looks like we won't get anything today. And the days ahead are pretty dry as well. Tomorrow, 20. Warms up on Thursday, 25. And then just gets drizzled with a real drizzly sort of a patch. Nothing significant. So the most would be up to 4 millimetres maybe on Friday and then maybe the same on Sunday. But the temperature's 26 Friday, 23 Saturday. 25 Sunday and 24 on Monday. So stable weather pattern in terms of the highs, but it'll get drizzly by the back end of the week. Gary in Nova Gardens has called in on what has been sort of a weird detour we've had this morning. Mike's call. We're going to blame Mike. Gary, good morning to you.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, good morning.
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Speaker 17: Those big artworks that you're talking about at the bottom of the freeway, the reason they're there is they will stop a truck if a truck loses control going turning right onto Port Rush Road, they will stop the truck from going into the petrol station.
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Speaker 5: Makes sense.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. There's so many incidents there.
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Speaker 17: It's solid concrete and they go a long way into the ground.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that makes perfect sense, Gary. It's been, we know how tragic that spot has been.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and they look like something that'll slow you down anyway.
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Speaker 17: That was part of the rule of OTR building there.
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Speaker 15: Right.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Gary, thank you for that. Appreciate the explanation. What a weird and wonderful journey we've been on in the last 27 minutes. Okay, let's invite Tom Renn into the madness. For security, safety and style made to order, choose Gliderol Garage Doors, gliderol.com.au. Morning to you, Rennie. Morning, Will.
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Speaker 4: Morning, Stacey.
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Speaker 18: About this time yesterday, well, just as we were coming off there, the schedule came out for Gather Round. Are you happy with that? I actually think it's the best. I thought this year's was a little bit tame, but I'm much happier with this year. Crows and Brisbane. I think Brisbane deserves to be at Adelaide Oval. They've been at, I think Nord and the Barossa the last few years, which is great, but they deserve to be on Adelaide Oval. And then Port Adelaide close out the round against the Bulldogs. I really like the Fremantle Hawthorne game. I think that'll be a cracker on Saturday night.
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Speaker 1: I think they've done a better job of building blockbusters and games with narratives. The problem is if you get four crackers, you're going to have a couple of spuds.
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Speaker 4: Gold Coast, GWS.
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Speaker 1: Richmond, West Coast.
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Speaker 19: Yeah.
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Speaker 15: Oh, boy.
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Speaker 1: And Nord Oval? Might be some space on Cooper's Hill for that one. Yeah. Essendon, North Melbourne, Gold Coast, GWS.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So I think they've done a great job.
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Speaker 3: Yes.
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Speaker 1: The problem is you're always robbing Peter to pay Paul.
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Speaker 4: Well, that's it.
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Speaker 18: The only thing that will help those games is that you only probably need $ 10, 000.
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Speaker 1: That's true. For us, GWS, Gold, yeah.
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Speaker 18: They should be right, but you're right. You get these great games, but then you get some, yeah, not so great on paper. But I actually like it for what it's worth, though. I think Brisbane, like I said, they deserve a bit of love.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely.
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Speaker 18: Port Bulldogs, I get that it's not a rivalry per se, but I think there is an intrigue factor on Zach Butters and how fans will react and players and all that stuff. And look, maybe nothing will happen, but maybe sparks will fly because Butters, you know, hip and shoulders, Connor Rosey at the first centre bounce.
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Speaker 1: He gets booed, doesn't he?
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Speaker 4: I think a percentage, yeah. It's just natural. And the more you tell people not to boo, the more someone will say stuff.
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Speaker 1: I think a guy choosing to leave your club is a total legitimate reason to boo them, by the way. Yeah, absolutely. That's a good football reason to boo someone.
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Speaker 20: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: You turned your back on us.
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Speaker 4: And I don't think Zach would mind.
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Speaker 1: No, I don't think he'd give two hoots. I think the problem is he probably loves it.
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Speaker 4: That's it. I actually think some players, it's like in cricket, you don't sledge some players.
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Speaker 13: Yes.
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Speaker 4: He's one of those, you know, because it makes them play better.
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Speaker 15: Oh, right.
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Speaker 18: So, like, Steve Waugh was in that category. If you sledged him, he'd be like, okay, now I'm in for a fight. So, yeah, I think the talk was.
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Speaker 5: I think we now call that their Wolfie time.
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Speaker 21: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, their Wolfie time.
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Speaker 4: That's right.
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Speaker 18: The Australians, I think, famously got told, do not talk to Ian Botham because he likes to just talk when he's out, you know, with their.
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Speaker 4: So, just do not talk to him.
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Speaker 22: Oh, wow.
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Speaker 4: So, you know, anyway, we digress.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: Well, Rennie, I was hearing about the American Sport Equinox.
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Speaker 4: What is this?
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Speaker 18: Well, this is a very special day for sport lovers, Stacey, because it's the one day in the year where, you know, you get all four major codes playing because you get this overlap. So you've got American football on today, tonight, with Dallas and Philadelphia.
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Speaker 1: Monday night football.
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Speaker 18: Monday night football, which is huge. You've got the NBA with the season's just started. And then you've got baseball. World Series is on, so the season's coming to a close. And you've also got ice hockey, NHL. So it's all on the one day. It's a magical time of year. If you lived in America, both of you, what would be your number one sport? I think for me, I would have said baseball. I still think baseball up there, but I think American football is fast catching up.
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Speaker 4: What about you?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I could probably relate to American football the most, just because, you know, we love footy.
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Speaker 22: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: Probably, if not that, baseball, yeah.
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Speaker 23: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: A lot of games in baseball, that's the only thing.
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Speaker 5: You have to say hockey, don't you?
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Speaker 1: No, basketball. Basketball, yeah.
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Speaker 4: I was going to say NBA for sure.
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Speaker 5: You've got a hockey player for a wife, Will. I tried to help you out there.
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Speaker 1: Field hockey. Field hockey, as they call it in America. Yeah, you're right. Come on.
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Speaker 15: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: That was so easy.
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Speaker 1: You'd be NBA for sure. Yeah, well, I think basketball is probably my favourite sport, irrespective. Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 12: Yes.
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Speaker 1: That would be without a doubt. That would be just a disgrace to be watching it all day long.
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Speaker 17: 80 games.
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Speaker 1: Because you've got the different time zones. You can start mid-afternoon watching, you know, if you're on the West Coast, East Coast games, and you can work your way right through the night. I'd definitely be single. Yeah. Good on you, Reddy. Thanks, guys.
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Speaker 2: Knockdown, build two with Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes, they do it all for you.
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Speaker 3: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
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Speaker 1: In my defence, it was 10 after six in the morning. I'll tidy things up for the rest of the morning.
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Speaker 4: The coffee hadn't kicked in.
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Speaker 1: The coffee hadn't kicked in at that point in time. But thank you for editing that together. Coming up very shortly, police and weather. We're also going to talk about Gather Out, going back to the parade. The CEO of the Nord Football Club, Richard Kelly, will join us. Looking forward to chatting with the Lord Mayor about this after seven.
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Speaker 20: Having watched a lot of MotoGPs, I've become obsessed with them across the world. You may be amazed how many I've been watching in the last few months.
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Speaker 1: Well, we were amazed when she said that to us a couple of months ago.
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Speaker 5: We almost didn't believe it.
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Speaker 1: Well, I didn't believe it. And then guess what? Guess where the Lord Mayor was this weekend? Phillip Island.
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Speaker 4: Phillip Island.
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Speaker 1: Plot twist. We were chatting with her after seven o'clock this morning. Didn't see any racing, of course, because it was all canned. We were talking in the first half hour about the big Sultana and Mildura. Marge in Hampstead Gardens has called in with a suggestion for a big thing that could be built here in South Australia. Marge, good morning to you. You there, Marge? I don't think we've got Marge. Have we got you now, Marge? Nope, no Marge. Here, no Marge. Here, no cash is the famous quote that that obviously comes from. Well, there's some moves afoot federally to protect cash in Australia. The Albanese government had a cash mandate that started at the beginning of this year, which meant retailers had to take on cash for in-person transactions, had to accept cash for in-person transactions up to $ 500 between 7 a.m. and 9pm. And the opposition wants to broaden that out. Their new cash is king bill would force retailers to take cash on things up to $ 2, 000 and scrap the 7am to 9pm restrictions. So broadening out a policy that exists at the moment to make sure you can take more cash.
00:20:30
Speaker 5: Never really understood why time had to come into play. Why is a certain time more important between 7am and 9pm?
00:20:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe there was pushback from the business community about holding cash at certain times of day. I don't know. Maybe someone with a small business can give us a call and provide some intel on that for us. We'd be very interested to know. 8223 0000. Let's do a survey. How much cash do you have on you right now? How much cash do you have in your pocket, your wallet, your purse, whatever you carry on?
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Speaker 23: 8223 0000.
00:21:00
Speaker 1: Text us on 0-4-8-0-8-13-95. How much cash is just on the 5AA listener right now when you're going about your day?
00:21:09
Speaker 5: I always have at least 50 bucks.
00:21:10
Speaker 1: Do you?
00:21:11
Speaker 5: Yep, just as a backup.
00:21:13
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have carried cash for years, which is the kind of thing that would upset our next guest, Jason Bryce, who is an advocate for cash welcome that you've probably heard plenty of times on 5AA and morning TV and around the place. Jason, good morning to you.
00:21:26
Speaker 19: G'day, Will.
00:21:28
Speaker 10: How are you?
00:21:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, good. So could you answer that question we had? justification for the time restriction about mandating businesses taking cash?
00:21:38
Speaker 15: Well, there's way too many restrictions in the cash mandate, and that's just one of them. I think there's a concern about holding cash overnight or having cash overnight, and it's really for petrol station servos. They don't want to have to accept cash in the middle of the night. But the good thing about this.
00:21:59
Speaker 1: That's fair enough, isn't it?
00:22:02
Speaker 15: Look, it's not my biggest concern. My biggest concern is that every retailer that we need to go to to get our essential groceries and items and clothes to live should accept cash. And the one good thing about this Cash is King bill that Kevin Hogan introduced yesterday is that it'll capture the big end of town like Kmart, Bunnings. a chemist warehouse, you should be able to get your medicines using cash. So I think that's the main good thing that's in this bill that the Liberals have introduced yesterday.
00:22:41
Speaker 5: Okay. So they're changing the rules slightly. At the moment, it is mandated for certain places too.
00:22:49
Speaker 15: Yeah, it's only supermarkets and large servos at the moment. So it's a cash mandate in name only, Stacey.
00:22:57
Speaker 24: It's just.
00:22:59
Speaker 15: Really are green-lighting the cashless society. You know, the hundreds of thousands of people who signed my Say No to a Cashless Australia petition, we believe that all retailers should accept cash with very few exemptions. It's our legal tender, and most people think that means that you should be able to use it. And the RBA data that came out yesterday shows that more people are carrying cash, particularly since COVID.
00:23:28
Speaker 9: We've hit a new cash record.
00:23:30
Speaker 15: So there's a lot of people who are doing like you are and me, just have $ 50 in your pocket because it's a backup. If something goes wrong, if your phone goes flat, if the FPOS is out or whatever, but it's just a great way to be in control and look after yourself, basically.
00:23:52
Speaker 1: Jason, thank you. Jason Bryce from Cash.
00:23:54
Speaker 15: Welcome.
00:23:54
Speaker 1: We're getting a few texts on this. And indeed, a call. Michael and Ross Drever's on the line.
00:23:57
Speaker 4: Morning, Michael.
00:23:59
Speaker 10: Good morning.
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Speaker 9: The only time I have cash is, for instance, this week. Last weekend, just gone, I sold something on Facebook Marketplace, and I'm now carrying around an exorbitant amount of $ 400.
00:24:11
Speaker 10: 20.
00:24:12
Speaker 9: Living large, Michael. I am, and I think I've won the lottery. What are you going to do with it?
00:24:20
Speaker 1: Are you going to stuff a pillow, or are you going to take it to the bank?
00:24:22
Speaker 9: No, it does have to go to the bank. The ATO will be declared ATO, so if you're listening, don't worry.
00:24:29
Speaker 5: Did you say it was $ 420, Michael?
00:24:32
Speaker 1: Sorry?
00:24:33
Speaker 5: Did you say it was $ 420?
00:24:34
Speaker 9: Yeah, $ 420, which is very rare because I don't carry any more than probably a couple of gold coins in my pocket because it's all electronic transactions on the phone. So I don't know who's carrying cash.
00:24:44
Speaker 12: Yeah.
00:24:45
Speaker 9: Probably not the middle of the class, people.
00:24:47
Speaker 1: Michael, thank you. I love the text coming through. Phil says, I'm not telling you how much cash I've got. I might get robbed, which is kind of one of the reasons why cash popularity is waned.
00:24:59
Speaker 5: And Will, as a tradie, who's asking?
00:25:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, Will's afraid that the ATO is going to get a recording of this. We won't identify anyone. David always carries $ 50 on him as a backup. Andrew has $ 2. 95 of change on the bedside table. Keith says 45 cents. It's in the wallet since my brother-in-law gave me a $ 5 note. I finally remembered it was there and bought something on the weekend. What were the $ 5 or the 45 cents? Must be the $ 5. The $ 5. I don't believe there's anything you can buy for 45 cents left, is there?
00:25:27
Speaker 5: You can't even get a 30 cent cone. They don't exist.
00:25:30
Speaker 1: They don't exist. Is there anything in the world you can buy for 45 cents right now?
00:25:35
Speaker 5: One chocolate sprinkles. Can you buy one?
00:25:38
Speaker 1: Can you buy them?
00:25:39
Speaker 5: You could buy something from Charlesworth Nuts. You could go and get one salted hazelnut.
00:25:46
Speaker 17: Yes.
00:25:47
Speaker 10: Yes.
00:25:49
Speaker 1: Con says an unnamed company is a surcharge if you pay cash. Their reason, their staff have to count it and travel to bank it. That's why a lot of businesses, people talk about the card surcharge, but there's also fees, there's costs that come with handling cash, obviously, as well.
00:26:02
Speaker 6: Yeah.
00:26:03
Speaker 1: Trish has $ 100 in her wallet. Experience has taught me that the FPOS system in business is often down.
00:26:07
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's true.
00:26:09
Speaker 1: How about this one? John says, I never go anywhere without $ 500 in cash.
00:26:14
Speaker 15: John.
00:26:15
Speaker 1: John.
00:26:16
Speaker 5: Coming out with you next time.
00:26:17
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if I've ever held $ 500 in cash. It's probably happened at some point, John. Let's go to the Weather Bureau. Kipman coming in. This is interesting, our little cash survey this morning. Bedside table, in your pocket, in your wallet. How much have you got on you right now? Simon Timkey at the Weather Bureau joins us. Morning, Simon.
00:26:33
Speaker 15: Morning, Will.
00:26:34
Speaker 1: Morning, Stacey. What kind of day have we got ahead, Tom?
00:26:37
Speaker 25: Yeah, look, a little bit of cloud around at times. Looking on the satellite picture, there's a little bit of cloud around the hills and a little bit approaching from the west, but it looks like there's breaks in it, so I think we'll see some sunshine on and off during the day as well. The winds are pretty light at the moment, but they'll probably turn around southwesterly during the day. And there might be the odd light shower in that southwesterly airstream. So slight chance of a shower, most likely for the late morning and early afternoon period. But I wouldn't expect any significant totals out of that. And those showers probably a little bit more likely around the hills there as well. But certainly lengthy dry periods today. And as I said, some sunshine around at times. Temperature wise, we had an overnight minimum of 9.1 degrees just after 20 past six. It's currently 10.1 degrees in the city. and we're expecting a maximum of 20 degrees today. Around the suburbs, 20 degrees as well for Elizabeth, 19 for Glenelg and Norlunga, 17 degrees for Mount Barker. The next couple of days, there might be a little bit of fog around the hills at first on Wednesday morning, but then a mostly sunny day on the way. The wind's southwesterly, down to 9 degrees overnight and a maximum of 20 for Wednesday. And then getting warmer later in the week, another mostly sunny day on the way for Thursday, 25 degrees. I think Friday we might see a shower or two, but probably not till late in the day or in the evening. I think most of the day will probably be dry with a bit of sunshine too, but a bit of cloud around. Could be a rumble of thunder later in the day or in the evening as well. Temperatures for Friday, warmer nights, 17 the minimum, and then 26 degrees the maximum. Over the weekend, chance of a shower about the place on Saturday, 23, and a shower or two on Sunday, 25 degrees, Wilson.
00:28:21
Speaker 1: Good stuff, Simon. Thank you, Simon Timkey at the Bureau of Meteorology. We're getting some terrific cash surveys going gangbusters on the text line. And Paddy's working overtime out there trying to work out if you can buy anything for 45 cents. The outcome of both of those surveys is coming up in a moment. Saypole first. Senior Constable Holly Frisby joins us. Holly, good morning to you. There's been a suspicious fire in West Croydon this morning.
00:28:44
Speaker 21: Good morning, Will. About four o'clock this morning, police and MFS were called to Ralph Avenue to reports of a fire at a granny flat Fire crews worked quickly to extinguish the blaze, not before extensive damage was caused. There were no reports of any injuries and police believe the fire to be suspicious and ask anyone who was a witness or who has any CCTV or dash cam footage that can assist us with that investigation to contact Crimestoppers online or on 1800 333 000. And there was a suspicious car fire at Ayr. Just before 5.30 this morning, police and fire crews responded to reports of a car fire at a home on Hume Circuit. Police arrived and found the Ford Ranger ablaze in the driveway. Fire crews quickly extinguished the fire and prevented it from spreading to the property. Northern District Police are investigating the fire and are treating it as suspicious. And once again, we do ask anyone who was witness or has any information surrounding that incident to contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000. All right, good stuff.
00:29:41
Speaker 1: Thank you, Holly. Senior Constable Holly Frisby there from Saipol. We'll check traffic and come back in just a moment. A beautiful noise. The Neil Diamond musical is coming to Adelaide in May. You can join the waitlist now.
00:29:50
Speaker 22: 5 to 7, a big response to the 5AA Breakfast Cash Survey in light of the Coalition's bill to expand the cash mandate for businesses, essentially meaning the hours in which they have to accept cash and the size of transactions they have to accept cash on.
00:30:19
Speaker 1: Expanding over what already exists. Michael says, I have $ 0 cash on me and $ 0 in the bank. Michael.
00:30:27
Speaker 5: Michael has a mortgage at the moment.
00:30:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to say, Michael sounds like he might have just bought a home. Brent the Milky says, I've got $ 680 cash on me at the moment. Matt says, I use cash all the time. I'm in my 30s. I was over surcharges, so decided to pull... Cash out each week for daily spending and groceries, et cetera. I only use a card for monthly direct debit bills. Jim says, I've got $ 3. 45 in the centre console and about eight bucks somewhere between the centre console and my driver's seat. I think so does everyone. Savings back in the day.
00:30:54
Speaker 5: I love this text from Brett as well. Currently in Port Lincoln on holiday, we're finding these signs in quite a few businesses and the sign says cash preferred.
00:31:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, interesting.
00:31:03
Speaker 5: And it worked for me the other day. I went to a cafe and they had a sign on the till and it said cash preferred. And I said, oh, okay, well, I've got cash. Here you go. And I gave them cash instead.
00:31:12
Speaker 1: Andrew says, I've got $ 2. 95 from the recycling depot. It's been in my drawer for three months. Juzo from Godina says, I've got 350 yen left over from a trip to Japan. And here's one. Someone says, my 16-year-old son is saving for a car. He asked for cash because he simply won't spend it. Tapping cards and online shopping is so easy. I'm teaching about savings accounts that he can't access. That's a good idea. It freaks me out having cash. Yeah, it's all personal how you manage things. I lived both sides of the digital. All my first jobs were with cash.
00:31:49
Speaker 6: Cash.
00:31:50
Speaker 1: I just found cash disappeared generally over the bar. Whereas having a itemized, digitized, you can look at it every second account of every cent you've spent, I actually found made me more disciplined.
00:32:04
Speaker 4: Oh, interesting.
00:32:05
Speaker 1: Cash was just, oh, I'll take it out and there it goes. And the next day I have no memory of how much got spent or where. And now there is an itemised version of everything that you can look at at any moment in your pocket. Mark says, a lot of people feel this way. I don't get it, but I know a lot of people feel this way. At least the government doesn't know what you spend your money on if you pay cash.
00:32:30
Speaker 5: He's clearly the bottom of the freeway.
00:32:32
Speaker 1: Must have got more interesting habits than I do. Let's go to Nord, because Nord is where, again, we're going to have some gather-out action this year. The Nord Football Club CEO is Richard Kelly, who joins us on 5AA Breakfast. Richard, good morning.
00:32:48
Speaker 13: Good morning, Will. Hello, Stacey.
00:32:50
Speaker 1: Hello. Obviously, the parade, it's a beautiful setting for football, and it's been such a successful venue as part of gather-out. Richard, what does it mean for the actual football club, though? What do you guys get out of hosting the game there?
00:33:02
Speaker 13: It's a great event. It puts us on the map, obviously. We obviously benefit out of it financially with our contract with the AFL. But in saying that, we put a lot of resource into the club as well to make sure that we can have events like this and keep hold of it. So, look, it's very beneficial to the club and sort of helps the club run for the next 12 months and three footy season.
00:33:22
Speaker 5: The parade is always busy during Gather Round. Do you know, Richard, is it within your wheelhouse? Is the Norwood Food and Wine Festival back next year as well?
00:33:31
Speaker 13: As far as I'm aware, it is. And I think that's one of the reasons why we keep getting a game is because it works in so well with the Food and Wine Festival.
00:33:38
Speaker 25: If you just walk up, you.
00:33:40
Speaker 13: Know, outside the parade and go left over to Osmond Terrace, last year it was packed. I think there was 80,000 people, they'd think. So it works really well.
00:33:48
Speaker 10: For the area.
00:33:49
Speaker 13: And you've got the bus stop just outside, which actually takes you straight to Adelaide Oval. So logistically it works well for a lot of reasons.
00:33:56
Speaker 15: Yeah.
00:33:56
Speaker 1: So premiership? Gather round for another year. It's been a tough job you've got there at the moment there, Richard.
00:34:02
Speaker 13: It's been a very nice 12 months. In fact, the last couple of weeks has been excellent. But we've certainly flicked the switch to 2027, especially with the announcement yesterday. There's plenty of planning that goes on around that and resource that the club needs to put in to get it off the ground. But I think it's year five now, gather round, is that right?
00:34:18
Speaker 5: Year four, year five?
00:34:18
Speaker 13: Year five. So it's not automatically turn the key and away you go. There's always different nuances. We've got a twilight game on Saturday and then a, quick turnaround of the Oval basically overnight to get ready for the 12 o'clock game on Sunday.
00:34:31
Speaker 1: So just to be clear on that, do you have to make a pitch every year to get Gather Round, or is it sort of taken as read now that it's going to be the parade?
00:34:38
Speaker 13: Well, we're certainly in conversations all year with the AFL, and I think for the reasons I outlined, with the facilities we've got here, certainly the lights that we've got at Norwood Oval makes it easier for the AFL to make a decision if they need to turn the lights on. or run a twilight, the lights are actually AFL broadcast quality. So things like that make it easier. Our train rooms are compliant. The oval we look after at the start of the year to make sure it's in great nick for Gather Round. So there's a lot of things that we do need to work on through the year and keeping contact with the AFL just to make sure that we're ready to go if they do flip the switch again.
00:35:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great spot. It'll be a great fixture again as part of Gather Round in 2027. Thank you, Richard. Richard Kelly, The Nord. Football club CEO. I'm going to run through some things that are in the wheelhouse of a 45-cent purchase.
00:35:24
Speaker 5: Okay, go on.
00:35:26
Speaker 1: A chupa-chup is 65 cents. One mandarin at Woolies is 47 cents. One banana is 81 cents. A truss tomato is 55 cents. A 100-gram tropical muesli bar.
00:35:38
Speaker 5: Oh, the muesli.
00:35:39
Speaker 1: A scoop of muesli, I see, is 80 cents. So that answers the question to our listener. Was it Jim who has 45 cents left over? Nothing. There's nothing you can get for 45 cents, is there?
00:35:48
Speaker 5: Even a Macca's 30 cent cone is now 50 cents.
00:35:50
Speaker 17: Yeah.
00:35:51
Speaker 1: You need two more cents to buy one Mandarin. Unbelievable.
00:35:55
Speaker 5: Would they round that down though? You could get away with one Mandarin if you're paying cash.
00:36:00
Speaker 1: Who rounds it? You reckon Woolies are rounding? Down. I don't think so.
00:36:05
Speaker 21: Aff.
00:36:08
Speaker 1: If you've got a 45-cent purchase suggestion for us and Jim, we'd really appreciate it. Otherwise, we're going to take a break. We'll be back after 5AA News.
00:36:14
Speaker 3: Don't mess with a missionary man.
00:36:18
Speaker 2: Knock down, build two with Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes, they do it.
00:36:26
Speaker 6: All for you.
00:36:27
Speaker 3: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
00:36:34
Speaker 1: Eight after seven. Good morning to you. If you're joining us for the first time this Tuesday, the 27th of October, you missed a remarkable first hour in which we discussed everything from the 10 plant rule in South Australia to how much cash everyone's got on them. It all made sense. It was all based on the news. But you have to listen back on the podcast if you miss it now because I'm not explaining it. Coming up on the program. for the remainder of this morning. Phil Currie will take us through what's coming up this week in federal politics. Very shortly, MotoGP enthusiast Lord Mayor Jane Lamex-Smith will be on the program. That's not a lie. She's told us she loves it, and she went to Phillip Island this weekend to see no racing, as it turned out. We'll discuss that. Then after 7.30 this morning, we will have a trial by jury. I'm very intrigued by this story and where South Australians sit on it, but you'll find out more closer to the jury. And of course... We all this week have Robbie Williams tickets to give away. If you love Robbie Williams, stay listening. There's a chance to win. It's $ 300 worth of ticket after, well, a little bit later this morning. I won't say when. We're not quite sure when we'll slip that one in, but stay listening because Robbie Williams tickets are available to be won on 5AA Breakfast.
00:37:42
Speaker 5: I'm just liking these texts of people telling us what we can buy for 45 cents.
00:37:46
Speaker 1: Oh, we got some suggestions.
00:37:47
Speaker 5: Yeah, Ben says for 45 cents, you can put your two cents in 22 and a half times.
00:37:52
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah.
00:37:54
Speaker 5: And Richard, you can get 22 grams of market mix from the nut stall in the central market or about 30 grams of mince from O'Connell's butchers.
00:38:02
Speaker 1: That'd be barely one handful of market mix.
00:38:05
Speaker 5: And what are you doing with that much mincemeat?
00:38:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what you're doing. That's a great question. 30 grams of mincemeat's not a lot.
00:38:11
Speaker 5: A tiny, tiny spaghetti bolognese.
00:38:13
Speaker 1: We're not spending Jim's 45 cents very successfully this morning. Sorry about that, Jim. The biggest story in South Australia continues to be the... uh, potential for organized crime to, well, we've learned, try to force its way onto the, the final stage of the, um, uh, the South road upgrade, the biggest Torrance to Darlington. This is the $ 15 billion part. The other parts combined are about two odd billion dollars. So this is the big one. This is the one that if ever people are going to try to get in on this part of the project, um, this is when you're doing it. Um, We spoke with the Premier yesterday at the politics of this, who knew what and when about Career Boss, this company that had said and had gone to Labor politicians to say, hey, bikies are trying to get in on our company and strong arm us. And as such, that means they're trying to get onto your project. This is what happened in Victoria. Alarm bells, state government. Didn't sound that alarmed anyone. until it was in the Sunday Mail, and then suddenly the Premier said, well, we need the ICAC to have a closer look at this, and that's how we got to today. The allegations detailed in the advertiser this morning make extraordinary reading. I just want to take you through a bit of a timeline of events here. So Rob Camerano is the gentleman who is one of the owners of Career Boss. That's notable. because he's not the only one that got attacked. So 2025, they one attender to provide labour and workforce for the Torrington Darling Project. They're a labour hire company, so you go to them when you want to hire labourers. Then in January of this year, so last year it happened, January of this year, they own a car wash. The car wash at Malvern had a deliberately lit fire. Robert Camerano owns the car wash, shareholder and career boss. Then on the 7th of January, six days later, it's hit again. Then five days later, Paynim building housing accountancy firm LBH Accounts is destroyed by fire. Who owns LBH? Another shareholder in Career Boss, Marissa Puetti. February 26, a month later, shots fired at Mr Camerano's home. March 18, the car wash is targeted in a third fire, which causes $ 500, 000 damage. It was at that point.
00:40:29
Speaker 1: The share component of this started to become clear. That was in March. So before that, three months' worth of sustained, according to Rob Camerano and those involved in Career Boss, a sustained period of trying to strong-arm this company to get in on the South Road project. It is fascinating when you read the context around it. And that was the language used yesterday, strong-arming, trying to muscle their way in. They're not muscling their way in with... couple of tough phone calls. No. Shooting at and trying to burn down people's businesses.
00:41:04
Speaker 5: And then in September is when Rob Camerano says he met with Joe Sockarch, the Transport Minister, and Alice Rolls, his local MP. Yesterday we spoke to the Premier. I said, did you ask police to investigate anything? And he said, I'm not aware of any criminal activity.
00:41:25
Speaker 4: You can't.
00:41:26
Speaker 5: And I said, well, So you haven't said anything to police?
00:41:29
Speaker 10: No, I can't.
00:41:29
Speaker 5: I don't have any evidence of a crime. Now, is there any evidence of a crime? And it sounds like Joe Sokach and Alice Rolls were informed of potential crimes. Did they tell the police? Did they tell the Premier about it? If they didn't tell the Premier about it, then he was clearly truthful with us yesterday, but.
00:41:49
Speaker 1: Should they have? The only thing that I find unclear, and this is no reflection on the Tizer's reporting, it's just, and maybe because of the court matters that are going on, we won't know yet. Why, if you were in this business and being targeted, would you go to your local MP or would you go to the police?
00:42:07
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know if they had already gone to police or not.
00:42:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, that bit to me is unclear.
00:42:11
Speaker 5: Well, the police were clearly already involved in the fire bombings.
00:42:15
Speaker 1: That's right.
00:42:15
Speaker 5: And the house being shot at, but I wonder if they're, At that stage, anyone knew of any suspected links to the Torrens to Darlington.
00:42:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe that's the explanation. So we want to just take you some time to go through that because I think in people's minds when you hear these terms like strong-arming and muscling in, it doesn't quite paint an accurate picture of what it's like to live through that experience. And you can imagine any one of those incidents could have turned deadly. Someone could have been at the car wash. Someone could have been in the wrong place at the home that got shot at or any number of these incidents. Lucky no one got hurt.
00:42:49
Speaker 5: Yeah, and we'll continue talking about it throughout the morning. Alice Rolls, the MP who was at that meeting, is coming on the program a bit later. I think we've requested her and we are awaiting a response.
00:43:03
Speaker 20: Coming on?
00:43:03
Speaker 4: Yep.
00:43:04
Speaker 1: Just some little bit of breaking business news this morning as well. Bloomberg have broken some news. It doesn't affect Australia yet, but Microsoft, one of the biggest companies on planet Earth, have announced that they are offering... 60,000 buyouts to employees. That's 27% of their global workforce. 223,000 people work for Microsoft around the globe. 60,000 people have been offered, effectively, redundancies because of a transition to AI use. It's the big software companies that are, of course, the canary in the coal mine for this kind of thing because I mean, anyone who is a coder knows you can use Claude and any schmuck like me can suddenly type in, I want a program that's going to do X, Y, Z. I don't know anything about coding, but the computer does. And so they are the sort of the canary in the coal mine for this. But 60,027% of the workforce, largely in the United States and India and a little bit of Europe as well. Not here in Australia, but that's one to watch, obviously, with what's going on around the world at the moment. Julie's just contacted us. At Christy Down, there's a kangaroo hopping on the road at Centennial Park in Pasadena. Is that right? Anyone else seen the kangaroo hopping around? I suppose it hasn't come too far. You do see them occasionally in that area, but not necessarily in the Centennial Park. Let us know, 8223 0000, if you do spot a kangaroo on the loose. If you were at the MotoGP in Phillip Island over the weekend, you might have spotted a Lord Mayor on the loose.
00:44:36
Speaker 20: Having watched a lot of MotoGPs, I've become obsessed with with them across the world. You may be amazed how many I've been watching in the last few months.
00:44:45
Speaker 1: That was the Lord Mayor, Jane Lomax-Smith, a couple of months ago to us, revealing huge MotoGP fan, as it turns out. Well, made the pilgrimage to Phillip Island over the weekend.
00:44:52
Speaker 8: The best way to understand how to have a really successful event is just to understand how it runs. And that's why I've come across to Melbourne to see how the Phillip Island event was organised. I have to say, this is the only way to understand all the implications, how to get the most benefit from an event. and also how to think about how to minimise the complications.
00:45:13
Speaker 1: Lord Mayor Jane Lamex-Smith joins us on 5AA Breakfast now. Lord Mayor, good morning.
00:45:18
Speaker 20: Good morning.
00:45:18
Speaker 1: Did you go in your capacity as the Lord Mayor on a fact-finding mission, or did you go as a fan?
00:45:25
Speaker 20: Well, I went to check it out, and of course I've had a bit of a history with major events, so I have a forensic interest in how it.
00:45:32
Speaker 12: Operates and what it's all about.
00:45:36
Speaker 1: Did we pay for this trip, or did you pay for it, is what I'm asking?
00:45:39
Speaker 20: Oh, well, I paid the fares.
00:45:40
Speaker 1: Okay, there you go.
00:45:41
Speaker 20: But I was given a free entry, I have to say. The host allowed me to go in and have a tour.
00:45:50
Speaker 5: And when you say the fares, is that airfares? Did ratepayers pay for accommodation?
00:45:54
Speaker 1: Oh, gosh.
00:45:55
Speaker 20: Can I just reassure all your listeners I was not riding a motorbike over there?
00:45:59
Speaker 1: No, we figured that.
00:46:03
Speaker 20: Thanks for clarifying though. The traffic jams were amazing and I thought when I was in the traffic jam I would have been better on a bike. I would have got there sooner.
00:46:12
Speaker 1: Did you come away, I mean obviously no racing because the weather washed it out so that was disappointing for people who love it but did you come away impressed by the scale of the event?
00:46:22
Speaker 20: Well I think that it is the sort of scale you can have in that location. I mean clearly I've got strong views about the parklands but This is a special event in a special location. It has a kind of niche appeal, and it's obviously part of a bigger global process. And from my point of view, it's really important to think about not just the event, which I can get really nerdy about and excited about the organization, but to think about the implications. And for me, the issue that I'm concerned about, and it's also about people to be saying, We have to stop an event, but at the same time, if an event's going on, my job as the Lord Mayor is to make sure that the organisation is good for everybody in the vicinity. So that means businesses, workers and residents. And clearly, there's going to be a year of relative disruption. So my focus at the moment is thinking about how we can reduce that disruption. We don't want businesses to struggle when all the roads are being dug up. We don't want everyone working from home for a year, that would be disastrous. And we don't want too much disruption for the communities around the area. And that's even before the council puts in a series of issues. We need to be thinking about, we call them terms and conditions, about everything from remediation to returning the parklands to its pre-event state. and also some slightly quirky financial issues. And I know I've been criticised for being venal and money-grabbing, but the council puts a lot of money into maintaining roads, and I'm really grateful that the Premier has not, or has committed himself, to not shifting the cost of these expensive new streets across to the council, because a third of the track is street traffic, although they're not our streets. They won't be managed as our streets. They'll have no gutters, curbs or drains. So I was very concerned about the cost between events and he's given me his word that he won't be shifting the cost of that to us because the maintenance of those roads is very much different from the normal roads we drive on.
00:48:47
Speaker 1: Lord, can I ask you when it comes to advocating for a position like this, do you feel at all, compromise is not the right turn of phrase, but do you feel you can't be as forthright necessarily in your advocacy because of the experience of something like the golf course in North Adelaide where you can be sidestepped? Do you feel like you have to try and tread this thin path between advocating and being critical, but not overly so, so as to empower the state to just legislate around any of the issues?
00:49:14
Speaker 20: Well, I think everyone knows that I'm not a big supporter of this location.
00:49:19
Speaker 1: Yes.
00:49:20
Speaker 21: Knows.
00:49:20
Speaker 20: I think the Parklands is an inappropriate location. So we start from that point. But I'm the Lord Mayor and my job is not to chain myself to railings. My job is to get the best for the community. So the Premier and I agree that we need to support business. He understands we don't want people to work from home. He gets that. He understands this sector. He also knows that it has to be managed. The next year could be very disruptive. And we don't want there to be disruption before the event. I think anyone in their right mind knows that when an event occurs, you get a week or two of disruption. You can suck that up. You can put up with it. But what we don't want is a year of uncertainty. And that's why their council has worked closely with DIT. And we're looking forward to a program of works so that when Bartels, Rundle, Wakefield, Dequetteville and bits of East Terrace are dug up, there's a routine and a schedule and there's a plan so that everyone knows what's happening because we don't want people to work from home. We do not want business to be disrupted during the coming year.
00:50:28
Speaker 24: Okay.
00:50:30
Speaker 5: Lord Mayor, thanks for your time this morning.
00:50:32
Speaker 20: Thank you very much.
00:50:33
Speaker 5: Dr Jane Lomax-Smith there. It's a shame she didn't get to see any of the racing either.
00:50:37
Speaker 1: No racing. As it turns out, this is probably not news to MotoGP fans, but you know the reason it was cancelled wasn't because of rain. It was because they couldn't find the medical helicopter.
00:50:46
Speaker 5: Zero visibility.
00:50:47
Speaker 1: The regulations are the next hospital is more than 45 minutes away. So even if all of the same things played out here in Adelaide, you wouldn't have the same problem because the hospital's right there. But I don't know if they factor in ramping into that time or not. I'm not sure. We'll check traffic now. Beautiful noise. The Neil Diamond musical is bringing exclusive performance at Rundle Mall this Friday.
00:51:07
Speaker 2: 26 minutes after seven. Now, we spoke a little bit about this yesterday, but wanted to continue the discussion this morning. There is a protest planned.
00:51:29
Speaker 1: For the 11th of November against capitalism and the rise of the far right and the whole gaggle of other issues that seem to be also at the heart of what's going on in France at the moment. Sort of solidarity with what's happening in Europe, it appears to be, by students who are going to walk out of school. I'd like to know which non-capitalist state they'd like to live in, by the way. What's your favourite non-capitalist country that you'd like to live in? Even China. Living standards went through the roof at the moment. They liberalised their markets. But anyway, that's by the by. You can protest what you want. It's a beautiful thing about this country.
00:51:59
Speaker 5: Even just the way you said protesting in solidarity.
00:52:02
Speaker 1: With what's happening in France. Yeah.
00:52:05
Speaker 5: We want that.
00:52:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely.
00:52:06
Speaker 5: We want to see more of that here.
00:52:07
Speaker 1: That seems awesome.
00:52:08
Speaker 20: Great.
00:52:08
Speaker 1: The other thing is it's on Remembrance Day. And the one thing you can't do about Remembrance Day is forget. And that seems to be what the protesters have said. We didn't know that it was Remembrance Day. It was just a coincidence. Some people are buying it. Some aren't. It's an offence either way. Brad Flaherty is the SA president of the RSL. Brad, good morning. Good morning.
00:52:27
Speaker 12: Good morning, how are you doing?
00:52:28
Speaker 13: Yeah, good.
00:52:28
Speaker 1: Brad, just give these kids a bit of a history lesson, would you? The importance of Remembrance Day and why a protest like this takes away from remembering people that have fought and died for the ideals of this country.
00:52:42
Speaker 7: So the original part was Armistice Day. It was the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month. It was the end of World War I in 1918. That was the original protest.
00:52:52
Speaker 10: Approach.
00:52:52
Speaker 7: And from there, pretty well united across the world, people have looked at the 11th of November as being a day symbolising a time of remembrance of people that have fallen, particularly for Australia. It's always been a significant day and time in Australia for those families, and not only the families, but the communities that lost people in whatever combative environment Australia's been involved in. So that I'm talking World War I, World War II, Korea, Vietnam, all the peacekeeping, all the different war and non-war-like environments that we've had our people serve in, including Afghanistan, right up until yesterday. And it's important that the local families and the communities have a chance to remember that in a respectful way.
00:53:37
Speaker 1: Do you think.
00:53:39
Speaker 7: Yeah, sorry, go on.
00:53:39
Speaker 5: So, Brad, I was just going to say one thing to... forget about Remembrance Day, another thing to then commit to holding a protest on that day, regardless of then finding out it's Remembrance Day.
00:53:52
Speaker 1: Do you know?
00:53:54
Speaker 7: Well, the people that, sorry, I was just going to say the people that fought and didn't come back, they fought so that people could have a protest and have freedom of speech and do what they're doing. What we're saying is you've got 364 other days, use them.
00:54:06
Speaker 1: Exactly.
00:54:07
Speaker 6: Exactly.
00:54:07
Speaker 13: Mm-hmm.
00:54:11
Speaker 1: It's important.
00:54:12
Speaker 7: And be respectful. Come and be with us and be respectful towards those that have fallen for your country.
00:54:18
Speaker 1: I've got this theory, Brad, and I don't know whether you agree with it or not, but I think there's all this sort of stuff that knocks around politically at the moment. Maybe it's failing to remember Remembrance Day. Maybe it's this sort of revisionist, was Churchill the bad guy in World War II? And maybe the far right Nazis had some points that I don't think ever existed before. when I was younger, and because you generally had a parent or grandparent who would have pulled your ears had you said any of this kind of stupid stuff. And I think this is a sad, this is my sense, this is a sort of a sad reflection of a generation with firsthand experience of the horrors of World War II, for example, not being with us anymore. And this sort of this creeping insolence means you get people protesting on Remembrance Day or subscribing to all these weird ideological things. And it's why a day like this is clearly so important, because we can't afford to forget.
00:55:10
Speaker 7: Exactly. It's a respectful way of communities and families remembering those that have stood up for our country and allowed people like the people that want to protest to have that opportunity. But it's a two-way street. You've got to have the respect for those people that have done that for you. And this is the one day that we have that. And for them to pick that day, even though they're talking about solidarity perhaps internationally, well, that's not really the issue. The issue is that it's the 11th there on the 11th day of the 11th month. It has and always has been since 1918 a significant event in Australia.
00:55:53
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Good on you, Brad. Thank you for that. Good chat. Brad Flaherty, the RSLSA president. So Cuba, North Korea, these are sort of non-capitalist states. Vietnam and China are nominally socialist but have opened up and liberalised in recent years. None of them famed for allowing protest, by the way.
00:56:12
Speaker 5: North Korea.
00:56:13
Speaker 1: Yeah. Not famous for allowing you to go and march on 364 days of the year. 5AA News is on the way. Phil Currie in the nation's capital next.
00:56:24
Speaker 2: Knock down, build two with Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes, they do it all for you.
00:56:32
Speaker 3: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
00:56:45
Speaker 1: If you call in on a topic of our choosing a little bit later in the morning. And we'd love to hear from people in the hills. You know what? It's bigger than that. Data centres are coming. There is nowhere that's safe. Suburbs, up in the hills, food bowl, country towns, you name it, there's an example of what's coming to Adelaide and South Australia in North America at the moment or throughout Europe. They're having these debates everywhere. We're having them here. We'd love you to be part of a conversation we're going to have after 8.30 about one incident. In particular, a big one that's going to be built... Well, that's still outstanding. A big one that there is a desire to build up in the hills, but we're going to broadly talk data centres and development after 8.30 this morning. Let's head to Canberra now, though. Phil Currie, the political editor of the Australian Financial Review, joins us. Morning to you, Phil.
00:57:31
Speaker 10: Yeah, morning, Will.
00:57:32
Speaker 5: Phil, obviously, there's still... A lot of fallout after the attack on Helen Haynes and there's been some information out of the AFP briefing politicians and some MPs have had to have security upgraded at their offices.
00:57:48
Speaker 10: Yeah, so I think it's nine, Stacey. So one of the concerns that we've been talking about in the wake of what happened last week was security threats against MPs more general and they sort of talk about... you know, online threats and these sorts of things. But one of the really sort of soft targets has been the electorate offices. We've seen that, you know, ever since the eruption of hostilities in Israel. We've seen what's happened to the offices of some Labour MPs, you know, in Melbourne and stuff. You know, and it's not just sort of them being defaced and vandalised, but staff being threatened and all sorts of things. I mean, as we know, Anthony Albanese, he had to move his electorate office, you know. They had to relocate it altogether because it was being constantly blockaded. But... You know, Helen Holmes was outside her electorate office on Monday last week. So it's just a continuation of all that. And I think it came out in Senate hearings last night that nine MPs and senators, I think, will have extra security around their electorate offices. So it's just part of this sort of sad ongoing business.
00:58:48
Speaker 5: Yes, sad indeed.
00:58:49
Speaker 1: Do you think? Do you think this whole period of this, you know, a lot's been said this last week about calming the temperature and changing the rhetoric and, you know, we're all in this together and so on and so forth. How long is that going to last, do you think, Phil?
00:59:04
Speaker 10: Oh, not too long. It never usually does. But look, I think... you know, I wrote today in the paper, we were having a day in Parliament like we had yesterday for at least, it was about 26 years ago, I remember, when a Labour MP took his own life and everyone was sort of really shocked and the whole day was turned over towards condolences and everyone said, it was Tony Abbott who said we've got to be kinder and gentler to each other and And I think it was the next day or the day after, it was one of the worst days in Parliament since Federation in terms of people being kicked out, including Abbott being one of them. He was the first minister thrown out since the Menzies government. So, you know, emotions sort of tend to run high and they will again. But I do think, you know, the difference between now and then is, as we're just discussing, is the backdrop of this sort of threat environment now in which MPs operate, that there's a sort of self-preservation aspect to this too, that You know, I think it's naive will to say that, you know, Question Time's responsible for the complete collapse in social discourse in this country. Everyone says it. Whether you talk to a politician, a journalist, you know, a sports player or, you know, anyone else in public life, it's social media. But at the same time, you know, you can all do your bit, right, to sort of try and cool it off. So I think they'll be a bit more mindful at least for a while about, you know, the way they do things.
01:00:26
Speaker 8: But.
01:00:26
Speaker 10: That shouldn't stop a good bit of the old traditional biffo in the parliament. But I think it's not just the way they behave in the parliament, but the way they themselves post on social media and some of the tactics they employ. It's a healthy moment, I think, for everyone just to have a bit of a pause.
01:00:44
Speaker 1: Usually in the run-up to an election, we get costings and justifications of how spending is going to happen and so on and so forth. I was a little surprised to see Angus Tata and the Libs announce $ 35 $ 31 billion worth of budget savings yesterday. To what do we owe the out-of-cycle budget curiosity from the opposition?
01:01:03
Speaker 10: Well, there's two things. A, there's not just one opposition anymore. There's One Nation. And if you don't do it, they'll do it, right? So as we've seen in the last few months, One Nation's got out on a few things like immigration and tobacco excise and, you know, because I'm to the opposition. So you don't have, as no longer being the sole opposition, you don't have that luxury of waiting until the traditional period of really close to the election before you release all the details of your policy costings. The other thing too, though, Will, more interestingly, is sadly for your listeners, it feels like there's going to be another interest rate rise next week. We only had one last month. And what is starting to sink in again out in the public, and it's sort of been lost for a while, is that government spending is playing a role. And this government, as the data now shows, is the highest spending government in 40 years outside of the pandemics. and the Reserve Bank Governor says it's a problem, everyone says it's a problem and if they increase rates next week it's going to put government spending back under the spotlight as it was a month ago. So with Taylor coming out yesterday with what he says is just a down payment, that is by no means the end of what they're going to announce before the election. Obviously they have sort of fairly detailed programs they're going to cut to say $ 31 billion that's about you know, it's as much about putting the spotlight on the government as sort of dealing themselves back into the game and You know, you look at the polling we all do, people are starting to sort of worry again about economic management. It went off the radar for a long time during and since COVID, but it's climbing again as an issue. And it's the one thing the coalition has over both One Nation and Labor in terms of voter trust. So it's ticking a few boxes. Yeah.
01:02:40
Speaker 5: And inflation data released tomorrow, I think.
01:02:42
Speaker 10: Yeah, tomorrow. That's right. For the September quarter.
01:02:44
Speaker 19: That's right.
01:02:46
Speaker 1: All right. Yeah. Interesting.
01:02:47
Speaker 21: Yeah.
01:02:48
Speaker 22: Yeah.
01:02:48
Speaker 10: So anyway, we'll see how it goes. But I spent the weekend at the Motorcycle Grand Prix in Phillip Island.
01:02:54
Speaker 5: Oh, how'd that go for you?
01:02:56
Speaker 1: You got your money back though, Phil, didn't you?
01:02:57
Speaker 17: Oh, maybe.
01:02:59
Speaker 10: It was very sad. It was a really sad occasion. Adelaide will host a fine event, everyone will know, but it will never, it can't replace, you know, the spiritual home. It's like taking the car race from Bathurst. So it was a lot of sort of, you know, if you're into it like I am, and I've been to a lot of them, including the first one, it was a, It was a really great way.
01:03:17
Speaker 1: To end it. We're delighted to have it. Well, some people are, like anything. But it was a sad way to have your final race.
01:03:25
Speaker 17: Oh, it was.
01:03:25
Speaker 1: You didn't know it was the year before because of the conditions.
01:03:28
Speaker 10: No, that's right. Even the riders, everyone was sad. Because it is the best race on the calendar. Everyone loves it. There's an element of sort of devotion involved going there with traffic jams and poor weather.
01:03:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, right.
01:03:39
Speaker 10: That's part of the experience. None of that will happen in Adelaide, but yeah, onwards and upwards, I guess.
01:03:46
Speaker 1: Good stuff, Phil.
01:03:47
Speaker 10: All right. Good on you, guys. Thanks, Phil.
01:03:48
Speaker 1: Political editor of the Australian Financial Review, Phil Currie, our guest. We have a trial by jury coming up. Interesting, interesting debate this morning, and we'd like your take on it. You can win $ 100 worth of Sam Test seafood just by calling in. In fact, you can call in right now without even knowing what we're talking about. 8223 0000. Get yourself a seat on the jury to render a verdict and win some fish. You're not going to hear that sentence on any other radio program in Australia. Let's check traffic. A beautiful noise. The Neil Diamond music will come into Adelaide in May. Join the wait list now.
01:04:16
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01:04:17
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01:04:24
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01:04:32
Speaker 1: Seven minutes to wait. Just had a couple of texts through in quick succession from people saying there's been a bit of an earth tremor, or so they think, in the suburbs. Someone here said earth tremor just felt in Campbelltown, and another immediately after just had a very small tremor in Dover Gardens. It lasted five or six seconds. Now, having two texts back-to-back during that ad break saying there was a tremor makes me wonder whether something happened out there. Did anyone else feel anything? So Campbelltown to Dover Gardens. Pretty wide expanse. Let us know. 0 to 4808 1395. Or give us a call on 8223 0000.
01:05:08
Speaker 5: Let us know. Did the earth move for you?
01:05:10
Speaker 1: Don't say it. Otherwise, I'm just going to go full North Korea and stop reporting on it.
01:05:15
Speaker 23: In the criminal justice system, all defendants are innocent until proven guilty, either by confession, plea bargain, or trial by jury. This is one of those trials.
01:05:27
Speaker 1: Well, we definitely had something. Tony and Murray Bridge and someone said in Underdale as well.
01:05:32
Speaker 5: Something going on out there.
01:05:33
Speaker 1: We might contact the seismology people and see what they say. I just had a look at their interactive map and I couldn't see anything on Geoscience Australia, but Peter in West Lakes felt it. Okay, all of Adelaide felt it. We didn't feel it. Level four?
01:05:47
Speaker 4: Yeah, we didn't feel it.
01:05:48
Speaker 1: Didn't feel anything.
01:05:49
Speaker 5: I do get a little bit of FOMO whenever we talk about an earthquake because I've never felt one and I know this is... I mean, we're in a very lucky position if we've never felt an earthquake.
01:05:58
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
01:05:59
Speaker 5: But I'd just like to feel, just a small magnitude, maybe an under three.
01:06:05
Speaker 1: I spoke to David in Spain where they had a lot of earthquakes and he said his nerves were completely shot by the end of it. He just, him and Kate, the kids loved it, but they were just, they were well and truly over it.
01:06:15
Speaker 5: Here we go. Morfitt Vale, Port Adelaide. Someone said they felt it on KI.
01:06:19
Speaker 16: Yeah.
01:06:21
Speaker 1: All right. Well, let us know and we'll make some calls on this and we'll get an answer for you very, very shortly. Should we do the jury trial? We've got $ 100 worth of Sam Test seafood to give away in the meantime. I'd rather ask you a question about the Adelaide Football Club who put out some information last night that is intriguing. I'll just read you a bit. A football-centric early learning centre and community hub has been proposed for the Mount Barker region with the Adelaide Football Club central to developing plans for the innovative facility. They're going to be partnering with what they say is a highly regarded and family-owned childcare operator, Cool Beans Academy. It would be adjacent to the Summit Sport and Recreation Park, a year-round destination designed to complement existing sporting, recreation and community use. Obviously, I have to go through planning approval, yada, yada, yada. I'm just reading the release. They say the Crows-themed centre is proposed to provide care for more than 100 children, supporting the increasing demand and needs of the local community. Now, I would... This is clearly, we're seeing football clubs diversify. We've seen them buy pubs. We've seen Port Adelaide get into real estate and housing and so forth. So presumably this is an attempt to broaden out their revenue stream.
01:07:34
Speaker 5: So childcare- This is a risky industry to be getting into.
01:07:39
Speaker 1: Well, I'll say two things in the first- Well, I'll ask you for the jury this morning. Is this good business or weird? A football club getting into childcare. Good business or weird? SEMTAS Seafood, 8223 00004. The jury this morning. Two things immediately come to mind. One, actually, first and foremost, as a Crows fan, my first thought was, The Adelaide Football Club has been famously bad at developing young talent for the last 10 years. Going into childcare seems weird. The Sid Draper childcare experience would be, do you have a prodigious young painter? We'll teach them. Bring them to Adelaide Crows childcare where they'll only get to play in the sandpit. That's a football take on this. But you're right. We know when childcare can go bad, you can hire the wrong person. Kids go missing. think that it's a lot of risk.
01:08:28
Speaker 5: It's a lot of risk for the, for the football club. Also the parents imagine when the, when the fees are increased, they're not going to be blaming, you know, they'll be blaming the club.
01:08:38
Speaker 1: Blaming the Adelaide football club. It's a, it's a, it's near, it's not like cooking schnitzels at the local. No. What do people think on this? This has just come out last night. So 8223 0000 Adelaide football club getting into the childcare business. Uh, Weird or good business? Let's go to juror number one. What do you think about this?
01:09:01
Speaker 12: I think this is definitely a double-edged sword. And I think with the way childcare centres have gone, it would be better for the Adelaide Football Club to look at a different type of business venture.
01:09:14
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll put that down as a weird juror number one. Juror number two, what do you think?
01:09:19
Speaker 26: No, I think it's a bad decision.
01:09:20
Speaker 14: Let's just stick to the Academy of Football and Sports.
01:09:24
Speaker 24: Yep.
01:09:25
Speaker 5: Weird from juror number two.
01:09:26
Speaker 1: Thank you, juror number two. Juror number three, good morning.
01:09:30
Speaker 20: Good morning, Will and Stacey.
01:09:31
Speaker 16: What a fantastic idea.
01:09:33
Speaker 11: A great business.
01:09:34
Speaker 14: Just imagine the tax cuts you can get there on lunches.
01:09:43
Speaker 1: That's very good, juror number three. Thank you. Juror number four, good morning.
01:09:47
Speaker 17: Hi.
01:09:48
Speaker 20: Look, it's weird.
01:09:49
Speaker 11: They should just actually stick to what they actually, well, we think what they know, football. But also anything to decrease the risk of any future people following Port Adelaide.
01:10:02
Speaker 1: Well, that's it. I guess it's sort of, you know, like an indoctrination camp for kids. I wonder what the commercial, I mean, if you're a Port fan in the hills, you're not sending your kid to the Crows Community Child Care Centre, are you?
01:10:13
Speaker 5: And also, what's your reaction when you get the letter home? Hi, parents. We're taking our kids on a nice school camp. Would you like them to attend?
01:10:21
Speaker 6: Yeah.
01:10:21
Speaker 5: Are you attending the crows camp?
01:10:26
Speaker 1: Someone just said, Rita, what you just said relates beautifully to Rita and Campbell Tant, who just texted us through about 17 red flags. It's just bizarre. It's an odd fit. Anyway, all right, we'll learn more about that. That was just an instant reaction to the story that broke last night. Something that's breaking right now is this earthquake. Jan in Manum, what did you feel?
01:10:51
Speaker 14: Well, I was lying in bed and I was just going through my phone and the bed started to shake. And I thought, what the? So I yelled out to my partner and I said, did you feel that, didn't I? And I said, well, the bed shook and he looked at me as though I was strange. But yeah, it definitely did up here.
01:11:10
Speaker 1: Okay, so in Manum. What about in Lightsview, Kay? What did you feel?
01:11:14
Speaker 6: Now, while I was laying on the phone, I thought, hmm, that's a little tiny, nothing to worry about. Then about, just about to pick up the phone to check if there was anything on the phone, which there wasn't, and I felt it again. And a tiny little noise, but no rattling of windows or anything like that.
01:11:31
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to Callington. Daryl, what did you feel?
01:11:34
Speaker 17: Um, my lad rang me and said, oh, are you home?
01:11:38
Speaker 12: I said, no.
01:11:39
Speaker 15: I said, well, I thought I was running around the house.
01:11:42
Speaker 11: And, um, He said it lasted for about 30 seconds.
01:11:47
Speaker 1: Can I tell you guys, thank you, Geoscience Australia have just updated their interactive map.
01:11:51
Speaker 4: Yeah.
01:11:52
Speaker 1: And there has been an earthquake, and it's not an insignificant size one. It's offshore in the Southern Ocean.
01:11:59
Speaker 5: Oh, look at that big red dot.
01:12:01
Speaker 1: The magnitude 4.9 at a depth of just 10 k's, which is shallow. but it is well offshore. If that dot is representative, it's a long way off of the Coorong, if you sort of try to picture the map of South Australia. Directly south, if you draw a straight line south of Adelaide into the Southern Ocean, you will see that's where the earthquake took place. So I reckon there will probably be people in Kingston SE or places down southeast. I'm not sure if it would have made it as far inland as Millicent. I reckon I'd be surprised if we don't have Victor Harbour listeners who got a bit of a shake. I'm just trying to think people that are closer proximity-wise.
01:12:38
Speaker 5: Lots of texts from people on KI.
01:12:41
Speaker 1: KI definitely.
01:12:42
Speaker 5: KI felt it.
01:12:43
Speaker 1: 4.9. So it's not an insignificant. For example, just to give you some sense, we spoke about a mini tremor seven days ago at Yedunda. That was at a depth of 2Ks, so it was much closer to the surface. However, it was only a magnitude 1.8. And you might recall at the time we spoke to the seismology people who said sometimes these things suggest there's more activity on the way. Sometimes they don't. Well, that one you'd have to say clearly did. So offshore Southern Ocean, a 4.9 magnitude earthquake has struck here in South Australia.
01:13:18
Speaker 5: And it's being felt everywhere from Morfett Vale to Port Adelaide, Glenelg North, North Adelaide, Ridgehaven, Norwood, Huntfield Heights. We're getting all of your text messages in. So keep them coming. Let us know if there's been any. You would think that far offshore, hopefully no damage.
01:13:35
Speaker 18: Mm-hmm.
01:13:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, let us know.
01:13:37
Speaker 5: But keep us updated.
01:13:38
Speaker 1: We've run a bit late for the news there, but we just wanted to get you across the news as we've got it in from Geoscience Australia.
01:13:48
Speaker 2: Knockdown, Bill 2, with Metro Homes. Sell one and live on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes, they do it all for you.
01:13:56
Speaker 3: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
01:14:00
Speaker 1: 12 after 8, breaking 8 in just a moment. Mountain of text on the text line from people who felt the earthquake. And I think we can quite legitimately call it that. We're often self-deprecating when it comes to these sorts of tremors because you look at the one like at Yudunda seven days ago and it was a 1.8 on the Richter scale. Well, this one is 4.9 and it was felt right across Adelaide. You get a sense of how big it was when you see how far offshore it was in the Southern Ocean. And it's sort of effectively... you know, west of the Coorong, directly south of Victor Harbour, I reckon it would have felt pretty significant on Kangaroo Island. We are getting some texts through there and, indeed, Victor Harbour. But in that sort of the gulf there, Kingston SC on the eastern side of it, you would have felt a fair bit of shaking. And, look, mountains and mountains of texts, except for John and Mitchell Park, who felt nothing. I think we received 60 straight texts and then John and Mitchell Park said, I felt nothing, John and Mitchell Park.
01:15:03
Speaker 7: Yeah.
01:15:03
Speaker 1: Yeah.
01:15:04
Speaker 5: There's a couple of people saying that they feel the same as me, a bit of FOMO. Alan in West Beach, we didn't feel a thing. Nearly 70, I've never felt one.
01:15:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, never felt a serious one. I'm just trying to look at, there's a, so someone asked, sorry, the reason I'm stumbling through this is someone asked about a tsunami warning and the Weather Bureau have just put up this. The Joint Australian Tsunami Warning Centre has detected an earthquake that has been reported as being felt offshore SA Southern Ocean. There is no tsunami threat to the Australian mainland, islands or territory. So someone texted us that. That hadn't come through until the last 60 seconds. So that's just come through. The Weather Bureau are aware of it. They have just issued some advice. There is no tsunami warning. You might say, well, that's frivolous and silly, but that's our warning system in place. That's a significant... shake that's happened offshore of South Australia. And it took a couple of minutes and we've got that warning through from the weather bureau. So nothing to worry about on that front for those people that have texted us about the earthquake that we've just had here in South Australia. All right, it's time for breaking it out.
01:16:17
Speaker 5: Well, there is some more reporting as we've been talking about today. There was more reporting on 7 News last night and in the advertiser this morning about the potential suspected attempts for bikies to infiltrate the Torrens to Darlington project. The opposition leader, Ashton Hearn, has some thoughts on this and joins you this morning. Good morning, Ashton Hearn.
01:16:38
Speaker 20: Good morning.
01:16:39
Speaker 5: So we know that the Transport Minister said Joe Soka, she's involved. His office was briefed on these potential links. So was the Child Protection Minister, Alice Rolls. What do you make of that involvement?
01:16:55
Speaker 19: Well, I mean, talk about earthquakes, Stacey. This is just another one that's, you know, rippling through the Labor government in SA at the moment. And I just wanted to say this, that Geoffrey Watson, he was the lawyer who was tasked with investigating criminal and bikey infiltration into the big build projects in Victoria said that the government actually contributed to the chaos by its inaction. And at the moment, we're seeing this exact type of inaction here in South Australia over incredibly serious allegations to do with our biggest ever infrastructure build. And I think that South Australians deserve transparency when it comes to this project. And unfortunately, all we've seen from Labor since the get-go is that they've been deliberately tricky and misleading. We've already known that Minister Stockarch has changed his tune from the very time that this became public. First of all, he didn't know about it. Then he confirmed that he'd known about it for weeks. And now, of course, overnight, we hear revelations that another senior cabinet minister of the Labour government knew about these types of allegations. And I just really don't see how her position is tenable, really. Her and Joe Stockarch have really got to do the right thing and submit their resignation to the Premier. But if they don't, I do think it's time for the Premier to prove his zero-tolerance approach and to move them on because this saga and this secrecy is casting a serious shadow over the entire project, which is just far too important for our state.
01:18:28
Speaker 9: Okay.
01:18:29
Speaker 5: Ashton Hearn, thanks for your time. And after 8.30, we will be talking to Alice Rolls, the Child Protection Minister. So we'll ask her what she found out and when and who she told. Did she tell the Premier, the police? Who did she then involve after these allegations were brought to her?
01:18:46
Speaker 1: All right, that's coming up after 8.30. Adam Pascali is the Chief Scientist at the Seismology Research Centre and joins us on 5AA Breakfast now. Adam, good morning to you. Good morning. We just read out the tsunami warning with regard to the earthquake here from the Bureau, which was to say there is no warning. I note, with interest on your social media, you've said that whilst this is not the world's biggest earthquake, we've seen earthquakes of this size actually cause tsunamis?
01:19:11
Speaker 27: Yeah, not from the seafloor rupturing, as most tsunamis do, but larger earthquakes like this can cause underwater landslides that can shift the water and cause tsunamis as well. I'm not saying that that's necessarily the case here, but it is a sort of possibility. So I guess it's not going to be a huge tsunami if it is one, but there is some still possibility that there might be some waves from there.
01:19:40
Speaker 1: So, Geoscience Australia say 4.9. I see you've used 4.5. Someone else texted us a picture of something that looked reputable that said 5.1. To what do we owe the different measurement of the size of the quake we've just had off the Southern Ocean?
01:19:53
Speaker 27: It's very early on. So magnitudes are calculated from a bunch of different seismic stations. So everyone uses different sets of data. And so the very initial average magnitude is sort of pretty uncertain by about a half a magnitude usually. But within an hour or so, we'll sort of coalesce and probably get something in the high fours, I think it's going to be. So, yeah, I think I've just refined it again. We've got 4.6, so it might be closer to that sort of magnitude in the end.
01:20:24
Speaker 20: Okay.
01:20:25
Speaker 5: And on the Geoscience Australia website, so far 550 people have indicated that they felt it. There's a little button you can click on there. We're getting some text messages from people saying it looks like it was more than one. What do you know about that? Or was it just the one?
01:20:44
Speaker 27: No, it's just the one earthquake. But often people will feel two pulses from an earthquake. So there are two energy waves that are generated from an earthquake. There's a P wave and an S wave, a primary wave and a secondary wave. So you can feel two pulses. And the difference in time between those two pulses is actually how we locate earthquakes. We take that difference in time from a whole bunch of different seismographs and triangulate back to where it happened. So, yeah, if you're closer to the event, you can sometimes feel both energy waves. But it's the secondary waves that are usually the damaging ones because they're sort of shaking ground sideways, whereas the very first one is sort of pulsing up and down.
01:21:22
Speaker 1: We asked you a week ago when we spoke about that little tremor at Yadunda, the 1.8 magnitude tremor, about whether it speaks to further events. Now that we've had two in the space of a week, does that raise the chances that we're going to get another one?
01:21:40
Speaker 27: The two are too far away from each other to be one triggering the other. You can have earthquakes trigger other nearby faults, but usually only in a very sort of short range. These are too far apart to be that. But again, like I said last time, when you have an event like this, the chance of another event of similar or potentially even larger magnitude in the first few days and weeks is elevated. So I guess people need to sort of, again, be aware that there is a chance that another event might happen in the short term and know what to do.
01:22:13
Speaker 1: What does the short term mean in this context then? So if this quake triggers something else, when will we know that has or hasn't happened?
01:22:22
Speaker 27: Well, usually within a day or so, if it's going to trigger another large event, it'll probably be in the first probably few days. of an event so yeah look what happens is you're changing the whole stress field like the whole earth has just changed the way it's holding stress and that changes the stress on the faults nearby as well so if that's changed enough then it might cause it to slip as well so those things usually happen in those first few hours or days.
01:22:53
Speaker 1: Well size of one to talk about Adam great to chat again no worries good on you mate Adam Pascali the Chief Scientist at the Seismology Research Centre.
01:23:03
Speaker 5: 551 people have reported that they felt it.
01:23:06
Speaker 4: Which is amazing.
01:23:07
Speaker 1: How many people know there's a Geoscience Australia website to go to?
01:23:09
Speaker 5: I was about to say, we've probably had just as many texts about it this morning. So many of you felt it.
01:23:14
Speaker 1: We've got Robbie Williams tickets to give away. Now, this was remarkable, this story. We covered it when it first broke, but there was a prisoner who committed some very serious crimes behind bars who tried to argue that Vegemite was a human right. that he deserved the Victorian corrections. And as it turned out, surprise, surprise, he went to Victoria's highest court and he lost. He's serving a life sentence, so his days of eating Vegemite are clearly over now. In a decision handed down yesterday, Justice Clare Harris dismissed the case to force a review of the Vegemite ban finding a prohibition on the spread did not breach his human rights. So we don't have an implied human right to consume Vegemite. Got us thinking, though, for the Robbie Williams tickets this morning, if you're in prison, what's the number one thing you'd miss? And let's assume family, okay? Let's assume your loved ones.
01:24:06
Speaker 5: Good call.
01:24:06
Speaker 1: You know, let's be a little frivolous, like Vegemite, although it did go to the highest court in Victoria. 8223 0000, what would you miss if you were locked up And could win you Robbie Williams tickets this morning. So get calling right now on 8223 0000. $ 560 worth of ticket as we worked out this morning. If you were to buy the tickets we've got right now to give away, $ 560 is what it would cost you.
01:24:30
Speaker 4: Good tickets.
01:24:32
Speaker 1: They're great tickets. All right, we're going to check traffic. A Beautiful Noise, the Neil Diamond musical, is coming to Adelaide in May. You can join the wait list now.
01:24:39
Speaker 4: Knockdown.
01:24:40
Speaker 5: Bill 2.
01:24:41
Speaker 2: With Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment.
01:24:45
Speaker 5: Metro Homes.
01:24:46
Speaker 2: They do it all for you.
01:24:47
Speaker 1: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee.
01:24:49
Speaker 3: This is 5AA Breakfast.
01:24:52
Speaker 1: Victorian prisoner lost his fight in court to have the consumption of Vegemite recognised as a human right. We're asking you this morning for the Robbie Williams tickets what it is that you'd miss most if you were in prison. Sue in Valley View, good morning.
01:25:05
Speaker 24: Hi.
01:25:06
Speaker 14: Well, I'd miss going to work, paying my taxes, paying my bills, just a few things like that.
01:25:12
Speaker 1: You'd miss being a good person, Sue.
01:25:13
Speaker 5: Yeah. I think the only person who will say they miss paying taxes.
01:25:19
Speaker 1: That's true. Yeah. You just love being part of society, Sue. Good on you. Alex in Mitchell Park, what would you miss?
01:25:25
Speaker 24: Oh, yeah. Good morning. Look, that guy, he doesn't want to eat the veg, Mike. He wants to use it to grease the bars. so he can squeeze out of them.
01:25:36
Speaker 15: Method and his madness, don't worry about that.
01:25:38
Speaker 24: But I would miss red wine. I couldn't live without it, to be honest. I'd rather go quietly, but I'd write letters to everyone that I possibly could find in McLaren Vale, and I'd ask them to get a whole bunch of grapes and bring them in to visit me. I'd just tell the screws that it's a medical issue, I need to eat red grapes, and I'd store them, I'd stash them, I'd stomp them, and I'd make my own bloody brew, and I'd be the top dog.
01:26:06
Speaker 1: Alex, you've given it way too much thought, but it sounds like you'd have a lot of fun. Ray McGill, what would you miss the most?
01:26:13
Speaker 3: Beer.
01:26:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough. John and Lugs, what are you missing?
01:26:17
Speaker 12: I would miss the music, and I'd miss it loud, and I'd miss Robbie Williams.
01:26:21
Speaker 1: Good point, John. Craig in Brighton, what would you miss the most?
01:26:25
Speaker 9: It has to be my mum's roast dinner with all the trimmings, pudding, cauliflower cheese, homemade gravy.
01:26:31
Speaker 15: Oh, my God.
01:26:32
Speaker 1: Now you're talking.
01:26:33
Speaker 12: Yum.
01:26:34
Speaker 1: I've never had it, and I already miss your mum's excellent cooking. Graeme, good morning.
01:26:39
Speaker 6: Hiya, Jo.
01:26:40
Speaker 11: I miss all the family get-togethers.
01:26:42
Speaker 20: We're a close-knit family, all of us, and just all the good times that we have.
01:26:46
Speaker 17: I've certainly missed that.
01:26:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet. Good on you, Graeme. Vinnie and Grange, what did you miss the most?
01:26:51
Speaker 16: It's Minnie from Grant.
01:26:53
Speaker 14: I'd miss my espresso and biscotti in the morning.
01:26:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm guessing the breakfast range at your local Maxim's Security isn't great. Cathy in Theverton, good morning.
01:27:04
Speaker 11: Hi, guys.
01:27:05
Speaker 26: I'll miss the Robbie Williams concert, but I also miss the AFL, the Crows.
01:27:10
Speaker 11: How about the Crows give another win?
01:27:12
Speaker 19: Yes.
01:27:14
Speaker 1: Well, they haven't gone into private security yet, but they are in childcare. Childcare. So maybe privatised prison could be next. Now, who do we like for the Robbie Williams tickets? $ 560 worth of ticket, no less.
01:27:25
Speaker 17: Yeah.
01:27:26
Speaker 5: Well, for his home brew wine, it's got to be Alex in Mitchell Park.
01:27:29
Speaker 10: Yes.
01:27:29
Speaker 1: Alex, congratulations to you. Robbie Williams is back and bringing his Britpop tour to Adelaide Oval. Tickets are on sale from today. Head to FrontierTouring.com to get yours.
01:27:37
Speaker 12: Enjoy.
01:27:40
Speaker 2: Knock down, build two. With Metro Homes, sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes, they do it.
01:27:47
Speaker 22: All for you.
01:27:48
Speaker 3: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
01:27:52
Speaker 1: 20 minutes to nine, we're going to talk data centres, one in particular in the Adelaide Hills that has locals up in arms before nine o'clock. That is not too far away.
01:28:05
Speaker 5: Yes, but we've been talking about this case of suspected bikey, well, links, not links, who knows, that's what everyone's trying to work out at the moment, to the Torrens, to Darlington. We now know about this meeting that occurred on September 11 between the man who's making these claims, Transport Minister Joe Sockart, well, a member of his office, and member for Unley, Alice Rolls, who is also the Minister for Child Protection, and she joins you this morning. Good morning to you, Minister.
01:28:33
Speaker 16: Hello, Stacey.
01:28:34
Speaker 15: Hello, Will.
01:28:35
Speaker 5: So after you had this meeting on September 11 where the allegations of suspected bikies trying to get in on the Torrens to Darlington was detailed to you, did you tell the Premier or anyone in his office?
01:28:51
Speaker 26: No, I didn't speak directly with the Premier, but there is a good reason for that. And the context is really important here, Stacey. You know, of course, these are important issues that were raised with me. But my job as the local member is to represent my constituents. And that is the way in which this meeting took place in my office in Unley. Because as you'll understand, every week people reach out to me as the local member seeking assistance. And a big part of that is for me to connect them with relevant ministers. And it's exactly what took place here at that meeting, as you mentioned. a member of Minister Sokach's staff was present, I organised that meeting because I wanted to assist my constituents to cut through, to connect in to the government. As a result of that meeting, I was more than satisfied that that staff member was going to take the appropriate action, which is precisely what he did.
01:29:45
Speaker 5: Well, good on you for facilitating the meeting, but that doesn't mean that there shouldn't have been red flags raised in your mind. Were there not red flags when you found out from a constituent that his business had been firebombed three times and his house had been shot at and he was suspecting that bikies were trying to get in on the T2D? You didn't think, oh, maybe I should mention this to the Premier?
01:30:05
Speaker 26: Look, the matters that we discussed at that meeting were very complex and largely focused around a firebombing that had been earlier reported in Unley, of a car wash on Unley Road. And this was the relevance of this meeting to me as the member for Unleash. Now, in that conversation, it became very clear that those matters involving the car wash were already the subject of police investigations, as they ought to have been, and that matter was pursuing. The new element that was raised with us was that this particular person was, if you like, asking the government, leaning on us to... unilaterally change a contract involved in the Torrens to Darlington project, which of course I don't have the power to do and indeed Minister Sockarch doesn't have the power. What we did was to take the appropriate actions through the Minister's Chief of Staff to raise that with the Torrens to Darlington Alliance, with the department and I understand that that Chief of Staff did that that day. So he didn't muck around. I knew that he'd done that. I was assured that appropriate reports had been made and this was the appropriate course of action.
01:31:17
Speaker 1: So Alice Rolls, this person meets you and meets Dan Wills and says, I want these contracts changed because this is organised crime trying to muscle in on the state's biggest infrastructure project. Did your mind at all go to Victoria and the Royal Commission that's going on there and make a connection?
01:31:35
Speaker 26: Look, I'm absolutely aware that bikeys, you know, have infiltrated in Victoria and this is something that we don't want to have happen here in South Australia.
01:31:43
Speaker 1: Which is exactly.
01:31:44
Speaker 26: Why we reported the matter to the appropriate people.
01:31:48
Speaker 1: So the Premier wasn't an appropriate person to tell?
01:31:51
Speaker 26: Look, I think in circumstances where a minister who has responsibility for a particular portfolio is aware of allegations and their staff members and team are reporting it appropriately, that is the way to go. At this point, can I just be really clear? No documentation was provided to me at that meeting or to the minister's staff member. This was just a conversation with allegations, which we reported appropriately.
01:32:19
Speaker 1: So do you think Minister Sockarch's office dropped the ball on this?
01:32:23
Speaker 17: Not at all.
01:32:23
Speaker 26: I think in terms of the process followed, the government's done everything right here. I mean, that staff member notified the department. Well, the department was notified that day. The alliance was notified that day. And then subsequently, when documents were later filed in the Supreme Court and the matter became public, the contract was suspended and the Premier recommended the ICAC investigation.
01:32:48
Speaker 5: Okay. And since this all became public about a week ago, has the Premier or his office asked you for a briefing to say, all right, we want to sit down and get to the bottom of everything you were told in that meeting?
01:32:59
Speaker 26: Yeah, I've absolutely spoken with the Premier about this matter, as you would think.
01:33:03
Speaker 5: And when was that?
01:33:05
Speaker 26: In recent days and at the time, again, let's just imagine what's happening here in this context. I've had someone from the relevant minister's office at the meeting.
01:33:16
Speaker 24: They're involved.
01:33:17
Speaker 26: They are reporting the matter appropriately to the authorities. We don't have any documentation.
01:33:23
Speaker 5: I'm just interested in the timing of the meeting with the Premier because yesterday he told us he wasn't aware of any criminal allegations, which is why it hadn't been reported to police. But you're saying... You have met with the Premier and you told him about the criminal allegations in terms of the firebombing of this.
01:33:39
Speaker 4: So he did know.
01:33:40
Speaker 10: Yeah.
01:33:41
Speaker 26: So they're publicly available, those allegations. The fact that the car wash in Unley was firebombed is a well-known fact. And in fact, it's been reported in the media and it's an investigation before police, as I understand it. Those were the criminal matters that we were talking about So it would be strange of me to raise something with the Premier that's publicly available and people know about.
01:34:07
Speaker 5: But the public didn't know about a direct link to the ownership of the Unley car wash, which was firebombed, and the ownership of Career Boss and the suspected bikey links or bikeys trying to get in on it.
01:34:20
Speaker 16: That's right.
01:34:20
Speaker 26: And those were the allegations that were put to us with no documentation whatsoever and in a context where there either the complex Supreme Court proceedings had not yet been initiated. So, yeah, I mean, the context here, Stacey, is really, really important. And I think, you know, in terms of Minister Sockarch and his team did everything right in reporting the matters to the relevant authorities. I was very comfortable that police were involved in relation to the matters involving the car wash and that that was transparent. taking the usual course.
01:34:55
Speaker 5: So was the Premier ever told about the links with the T2D?
01:35:00
Speaker 26: Look, from my perspective, I didn't speak directly with the Premier immediately after that meeting because the matter was very much in the hands of the relevant minister.
01:35:10
Speaker 5: But in the last few days, when you spoke to the Premier, did you tell him about the crimes, the firebombings and also the links to the T2D?
01:35:22
Speaker 26: Well, those matters he was aware of already because of the public reporting of this matter over the last, whenever it came up, seven days, eight days ago.
01:35:30
Speaker 22: Yeah.
01:35:31
Speaker 23: All right.
01:35:33
Speaker 5: Alice Rolls, the Minister for Child Protection and MP for Unley. Thanks for your time.
01:35:37
Speaker 1: 13 minutes to nine. Lots of text coming through on this. We might take a quick break. We'll get to those and talk data centres in just a moment. A beautiful noise. The Neil Diamond musical is bringing an exclusive performance to Rundle Mall this Friday.
01:35:49
Speaker 2: Knock down, build two with Metro Homes. Sell one and move on. Keep the other as an investment. Metro Homes, they do it all for you.
01:35:57
Speaker 3: Will Goodings with Stacey Lee. This is 5AA Breakfast.
01:36:02
Speaker 1: Nine to nine, if you think residence associations are many and varied and up in arms about the MotoGP, just wait till data centres start popping up around Adelaide and South Australia. It's going to be MotoGP on steroids. And there's one of these now proposed for... the Adelaide Hills, a 1,200-megawatt data centre at Tangkilo that's on land that's traditionally used for farming and grazing. And people in the area have raised some significant concerns about having it there. And again, as we said earlier in the program, we had a long chat about the merits otherwise of data centres to kick things off this morning. This is something that the entire world is grappling with at the moment. The demand for these things is out of control. You can make a pretty, I think, robust argument that they're propping up share markets in some of the major countries around the world. If it's not investment in AI and data centres, it's not an investment that's going on at the moment. But that's all great until there's one right next door to you, which is the case for Magda Lippert, who lives in the Adelaide Hills and joins us on 5AA Breakfast. Now, Magda, good morning to you. What's the primary concern? Is it about the use of the land there? Is it about the public amenity, the look of it? What has you guys most upset?
01:37:17
Speaker 25: Hi there.
01:37:18
Speaker 16: Look, there are many different areas of concern that have been raised by the 1,100 people that are currently on the Say No to the Tunkilo Hyperscale Data Centre page. Obviously, there's a look of it, but there are deeper questions concerning the land, the wildlife, livestock, the history and culture, Indigenous artwork. native trees and species, endangered species. There's a number of different concerns that are being raised by people within the group at the moment. We're getting messages every single day with new questions, and it just feels like there are more questions than there are answers at the moment.
01:38:04
Speaker 1: Is this an accumulation of development around Tangkilo, or is it specific to the data centre? Because I know that you've got the big battery energy storage development that's happening there as well.
01:38:13
Speaker 7: Yeah.
01:38:14
Speaker 24: Yeah.
01:38:15
Speaker 16: We do have the iPatroller Best battery going in not far from here. I believe that was a project that was approved a while ago. They've been on really good engagement terms with the public. They have come and spoken to residents. We have an open line of communication for any issues and we understand that that's a part of the substation that's there. More development and particularly a data centre is going to change the landscape greatly, but it's also... opening the door for this area to become an industrial zone.
01:38:49
Speaker 10: We're rural.
01:38:50
Speaker 16: We're not an industrial zone. It doesn't belong in this landscape at all.
01:38:54
Speaker 1: So the developer of this project have said, so yes, the overall site will be 220 hectares. Only 120 of that will have a development on it. The other 100 will still be available for grazing. That obviously hasn't allayed any of your concerns. I.
01:39:16
Speaker 16: would like to understand first which assessments they're going to put through to ensure that the livestock that they intend to have grazing on that land won't be impacted. From what we understand that the constant light and hum noises of these data centres can create issues with circadian rhythm of livestock. I'm a primary producer. I have bees. I understand that constant light will be disruptive to the bees, to their navigation. I understand they're is research from 2024 that shows that the constant light can interrupt their, not only their navigation, but queen bee laying. From a beekeeper's perspective, we're already fighting off a roa mite in South Australia. It's certainly not something on a personal level that I want to have to contend with alongside that. This is primary grazing land. There are thousands of sheep and cows on this land. I'd like to understand what assessments have they done to put the cows out there safely and to ensure that they're not being impacted? That's just one of very many, many questions.
01:40:22
Speaker 1: Magda, thank you. Magda Lippert there on behalf of residents. The state government have sent through a statement a little bit earlier, and this has not yet. The state government have received no formal development So the developer here have said publicly, this is something we'd like to do. They haven't yet actually supplied anything to the state government for assessment or approval. Notably, the state have said that they've committed to legislating a new set of minimum standards for data centres as part of the state's data centre strategy that was released earlier this year. So presumably any approval for these kind of developments would have to wait for that minimum standard to come in.
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Speaker 5: You'd think so, but I've been talking about for a while this one that's proposed for Bundy by a big AI company called Iron. And they have, I don't think approval is too strong a word, but they have a bit of a memorandum of agreement with Electronet about this. providing the power for that station. So there are high-level talks being had with different arms about AI data centres that are proposed in South Australia. Now, I don't know if there's been any formal approval.
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Speaker 1: I don't believe there has been any formal approval for the Iran one. That's good. That is still the subject of these– as I understand it from chatting with the state government this morning about that. But, look, following the US midterms very closely– There is only one issue that appears Democrats and Republicans are growing in America at the moment. The reason I say America, it's ground zero for data center development. It's all the American companies. So they're obviously starting there. They all hate these things. They're not very popular. And the state government, the premier of the city has got an open mind. And I'm intrigued by what the community dividend is for the development beyond jobs in the construction process and a handful of ongoing jobs. I think it has to be greater than that. That said, As I said at the start of the program, if you want to listen to our full-fledged-out discussion about this that we had at the start of the program, do so then. I am wondering whether this is the equivalent conversation to using nuclear technology and refining our fuel here in Australia that we're having in two decades' time going, why are we the only country that isn't providing the heft to provide for artificial intelligence? Again, we're having to import all this stuff and we have no– control over its production because.
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Speaker 5: We're all using ai now yeah and we don't have data centers here so what benefit does the australian public get for having a data center here if that's right.
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Speaker 1: That's the case that is unclear yeah very unclear and it needs to be made strongly but get used to this debate because there's going to be lots of these i think uh fuel watch to round things out thanks to the excellent people at ra don't get stuck on the side of the road get ra Road service, the cheapest, the Ampole, Edwardstown. I haven't seen a sub $ 2. 10 price in weeks.
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