FIVEAA Breakfast with David & Will - 28 October 2025

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Speaker 1: David Penberthy and World Goodings five double A Breakfast, six after six.
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Speaker 2: Good morning to you and welcome to tusdown five double A breakfast, Big morning ahead, looking forward to be parting it. Remember you can be on eight double two three double O double O LL jump on the Police Home Care text line. Just looking at the rundown in this first down. There's a sort of space theme to all that's going on. We will be chatting very shortly with Chris Tugwell, the River Mauri International Dark Sky Reserve founder. You might know the Dark Sky Reserve is a great place to do stargazing. People take telescopes and you can you get a great coverage, you get the lack of light means your telescope works so much better. They want to build an underground planetarium and observatory there. We'll talk to him about that very very shortly. Then after six thirty this morning. Something that is considered perhaps a world first. Certainly you can disabuse us of that notion. Callers, if this has ever happened to you, but a person who was sitting behind the wheel of their tesla on the Augusta Highway was hit by what they believe was a meteorite. A meteorite crashed into the wind screen. The theory behind the metia rite is fascinating. It melted the windscreen. Whatever hit the car was particularly hot. It wasn't just a rocker. Digit didn't just kick off a truck that was going past. It melted part of the wind screen. Now remarkably, Tesla was in self driving mode, so he didn't swerve it and veered and panic. The car just kept cruising on like nothing had happened. But we were chatting with an astrophysicist after six point thirty this morning, Brad Tucker from A and U about the likelihood that this was in fact an object from space, something much closer to home, and a milestone today for a good old fashioned aviation here in Adelaide. The flights to christ Church will we'll take off. The managing director of the Adelaide Airport, Breton Cox, will be on the program. He's going to be great to chat with as well, because yesterday he was front and center regarding the announcement that would see the relaxation of restrictions on the building height limits in the city. Of course, the airport had to sign off on any of those changes, so he'll be coming on after six point thirty today. Also coming up, Big Story with regard to Stephen Polaris Smith, though last night on Channel seven spoke to him for the first time since his mystery injury. He either fell, some people have wondered whether he was attacked, certainly given his last role, but there've been real question marks about his political future and indeed his well being. He'll be joining us on seven o'clock after seven o'clock this morning to talk about all that. Phil Curry on the show Big Breaking at eight with a trial by jury, looking fort to you being part of it. David Penberthy, good morning to you, Good morning, well, good morning listeners. I'll tell you that was a seamless arrival, wasn't it?
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Speaker 3: Like what he mean, I've been in the building for about twelve seconds. What's the furthest you've ever gone on a fuel tank that says zero?
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Speaker 2: I've gone to the point that it's run out. Oh really. I was on Tapley's Hill Road next to the airport, and I was about nineteen, and I was stupid, and I kept thinking, it's all they give you way more than because what's what's the legend? Fifty k's what do you mean the legend fifty here? Well, people who said, well, what's what's the amounts of hits empty? Get fifty ks one hundred ks? I didn't. I don't know. I don't want to find out.
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Speaker 3: So what happened was I had a car service yesterday and it was one of those things where I was I was as I was going there, I thought, oh, it's on like, you know, twenty eight k's from empty?
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Speaker 2: Should I fill out with all?
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Speaker 3: They're not going to be driving around everywhere, you know, it's a it's a twelve month service for a cheap and cheerful standard white entry level highlights with no bells and whistles. They'll just plug the machine and make sure it's all right and ring me two hours later, which is exactly what happened. But I didn't fill up.
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Speaker 2: So I was coming down Pulteney Street and I realized it was on zero because one.
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Speaker 3: Of the things about the lack of safety features in these basic high is they they.
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Speaker 2: Don't get ding ding ding ding ding.
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Speaker 3: There's just a little light that comes on to tell you to fill up. And suddenly it's on zero and I'm going oh, And I thought imagine if I break down in the middle of Pultney Street, like between Anger Street and Time Mark Square, and then I thought there was on the run there, but then they had to do a big loop back around because I've driven past on the run.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, so you actually conked out completely conkdact and that there was another another time I thought I was going to conk out. In fact, this is a good eight double two three double O double O. When have you run? When have you run out empty? When have you've run out entirely? Or when did you think it was going to be a disaster? One time, we're on k I and we've been driving around all day having the best time petrols. Probably are there four petrol stations on k I, so I know the one we ultimately got to was Pandana, But we're driving to Stokes Bay on k I, which is the general and we just have that kind of day where we were on an adventure on k we were driving from place to place. I hadn't even thought about petrol and we got halfway between Pandana and Stokes Bay and there's no phone recept where there's no phone reception, and was in a car that wasn't mine. And I'm looking at think that the petro went. So we're nearly empty. I can't even calculate how many k's we've got left to go because I've got no GPS. Yeah, and then I think we've got I've got no GPS. No is there even is there a petrol station anywhere in the near future? And I thought, I remember when you and I did the show there there's definitely one in Pandana. Yeah town. And then I was, so is it further to turn around back? And everything in Pandana that's right exactly right by its nature. There's a good bakery there. From memory, I remember some really good place. I got great affection for Pandana because I thought I thought I was going to be walking fifty k's if not for that wonderful place with a You know.
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Speaker 3: It's really good in Pandana too. Is the zoo, the animal place. They've got dingoes that stand on the top of these burnt out cars look fantastic.
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Speaker 2: I love that. It's good. Let us know, when have you run out of petrol? Or at least when were you in real danger of doing an eight double two three double double or texas on the police home care text line. In the meantime, let's say to the United States. Rob Scott for seven News joins us the US president has openly flirted with the idea overnight of a third term. Rob Scott, good morning to you. Do he think he's serious or does he just like the speculation?
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Speaker 4: Good morning, guys. Look, he's done this before, and he always kind of answers these questions with a bit of a smirk. Yeah, because he knows as well as anyone else that presidents are banned under the US Constitution of running for a third term. But he's keeping the speculation of life. He was asked, you know, overnight whether he would run again in twenty twenty eight, and he said he would love to do it, and you know, asked us to the speculation that the way to do that, the way to get around the constitution is for him to run his vice president by someone else. The stands for elections presidents they would then resign if they won, and allowed Trump to assume the presidency once again. He's ruled that out. He says he's not going to run for vice president. He says that idea is too cute and the people wouldn't go for it. But when asked, you know, what other legal possibilities are there, what other political options are available? He sort of he keeps that speculation alive, you know, saying that there are other options and they're looking at it, but he doesn't give too many details.
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Speaker 2: He did rule out the one regarding running his vice president, didn't He yes, he did.
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Speaker 4: He ruled that out. He says that's too cute and the people wouldn't go for it. But look, this whole speculation has come about again because his longtime ally Steve Bannon. He was in an interview recently where he was asked, is Trump going to run again in twenty twenty eight, and he said, look, he will be president in twenty twenty eight. People need to get used to this idea. There's a plan in place to make that happen. But when pushed on the details, he said all will be revealed in time. You know, there's a little thing called the Constitution to get around detailed. Trump doesn't play by the rules, so who knows.
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Speaker 3: Unbelievable Going your Rob Scott there for Channel seven in the US Bureau.
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Speaker 2: It should be I mean, those bound by the traditional rules of the Land should find it impossible to change because because it requires a two third majority in both houses, so you don't just need the numbers, you need two thirds that, which would be a level of electoral dominance that I'm not sure anyone's enjoyed.
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Speaker 3: I really think when it comes to the checks and balances that have kept Australia, kept America safe, and made it the democratic envy of the of the planet in a lot of ways. Surely there's traditional Republicans wo are going to gain.
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Speaker 2: Of course, who actually Mike Pence style republic Mike Pence is the exact guy I was going to think of.
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Speaker 3: Seriously, you've just lost the election. You have to it left it.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 3: Hence the calls to hang him that day on January sixth, you know, and you can see it, or you can see it at the moment with the attitude towards the courts, it was like any time a judgment goes against him, it's because they're crooked, their crooked judges. Like, no, they're judges, they're not crooked. It's it's amazing.
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Speaker 2: Fifteen after seex want to hear some stories about when people's petrol ran out, Michael and Roster, have a good morning, Good.
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Speaker 5: Morning, just before we start blowing A girl here in the foothill is windy in the city.
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Speaker 3: Wasn't too bad in the city, but it was really windy at our place last night.
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Speaker 2: Michael. Yeah, the gully winds are up and about this time of year.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, there's still active from walking up road and I feel I'm.
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Speaker 6: Walking backwards with The.
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Speaker 5: Story is that when I was by myself a nice little convertible and having fun driving it back and got within the Outelaide.
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Speaker 7: Hills home all right, and got through the ba to the hills at Woodside Oak Bank, and thought, oh, I think I might just push it a little bit longer, and it got to carry Gully of course Kerry Gully's got the hills.
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Speaker 5: And then the fuel ran backwards and then stopped.
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Speaker 2: How far you have to walk?
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Speaker 5: You were talking about your highlights. How simple it is, remember the old days, back in the seventies when the old Fords and Holdings were around O very simple. My father always had the habit of putting into neutral, running down hills in neutral to save fuel, particularly when we were going to Victoria on long trip.
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Speaker 7: It was always a case of free wheeling into the gas station at five season in the morning, waiting for the film station to open up somewhere like Bendigo.
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Speaker 3: I know they were never open twenty four hours back then. Proposition Yeah, Jeff, when did you run out of petrol?
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Speaker 8: I ran a petrol once going through the KFC drive through. I didn't even make it to the serving window. I had to get pushed through the drive through.
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Speaker 2: No, that.
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Speaker 9: Was not good.
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Speaker 2: Did you still get your three piece feed?
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Speaker 8: I got my three piece feed and my friend had to wait twenty minutes to get there to get their feet they had to come with a jerry can of petrol form.
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Speaker 2: Oh well, how embarrassing. Good stuff. There's definitely not the walk of shame to the petrol station and you go, hey, you gotta sell jerry cans. That's right, got another one here, they goed you big time, Got another one here. Nothing. There's nothing's quite so captive as the the captive audience of the person who's just run out of petrol. Can you just pretend you're mowing the lawn? Well, yeah, I mean they've seen you walk in, I guess generally without your cat. That's right, mowing the lawn clothes Raviard what's your running out of petrol story?
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Speaker 10: I got three of them, which which one do you want to hear? Probably probably the most embarrassing one was just recently, actually, probably about six weeks ago. I knew the car was low on petrol, and I was on my way to the petrol station, but I stopped at a neighbor's house, and he's outside his place and just stopped for a quick chat. Quick chat turned into a little bit longer, a little bit longer, and the car was actually on a bit of a slant, So I knew it was low, but you know, I had petrol to get to the personal station was an issue. But as we're talking, all of a sudden, the car starts split out floppiper and I thought, ship, that's not good. So I tried to start the car again. No, it's out of petrol. So try to roll the car onto a level ground to get the car gone. But we could on horn and I just couldn't roll the car. So my neighbor had to come out with three or four liters of petrol. Luckily he had something at his house, put it in my car, and then I drove the last sixty or seventy meters to the pedual station to fill up the car and fell up.
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Speaker 2: Story. Keep the story's coming through eight double two three double O double or the police Home Care text line is zero before eight zero eight thirty ninety.
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Speaker 1: Five and wild Goodings five double a breakfast twenty one after six.
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Speaker 2: I've never heard the term nocturism before until reading about this story this morning. Nocaturism, Yeah, exploring the world after dark. You might know that we have here in South Australia, Australia's only official list of dark sky reserve, and what they want to do is build there a planetarium and observatory underground. How would it work? Chris Tugwell from the River Murray International Dark Sky Reserve joins us more, did you.
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Speaker 11: Chris good Good to talk to you guys.
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Speaker 3: So Chris walkers through this idea of nocturism, How would this actually work?
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Speaker 12: Well, I hadn't actually heard that word myself until I saw the article. There is a growing trend for people to explore the night sky, to travel to very dark places around the world to see what the actual natural night sky looks like. Some people call it ask tourism, and that's what we've been trying to do in the River Murray region is to makee people realize that this is actually a really special thing that we have here. A lot of people didn't think, oh, the night sky or we see that every night, but in pasts of some parts of the world you can't actually see the stars at all, you know, in major cities around the world, some people have not seen the stars ever in their lives, and so to come to a place like this is a really quite amazing experience for some people, and for people.
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Speaker 2: That then aren't sort of amateur astronomers with their telescopes at time. Chris, one of the big issues is fighting and finding places with less light, isn't it, because really it really impacts, especially with amateur telescopes and so forth, it really impacts what you can see, doesn't it.
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Speaker 13: Oh?
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Speaker 12: Absolutely yes, And that's the thing that makes our dark Sky reserves especial. Well, it's ninety minutes from the city, but it's one of the darkest places in the world, and that's really amazing. We're lucky to have the amount lofely ranges in between Adelaide and our region and that blocks massive amount of the light from the city.
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Speaker 2: Hey just on that. Sorry, is there a good example you can give for people that you're you have given to people about what's something you could see in your neck of the woods that you have no chance of seeing in say, suburban Adelaide.
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Speaker 12: Well, the thing that really blows me away each time I go there is you can actually see the Milky Way itself, that the whole sweep of the sky. And you can't see that in a major city.
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Speaker 14: It just disappears.
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Speaker 12: But you know, we've got this huge band of stars, tens of millions of them, and you know it's it's right there above your above your head.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing. And you don't have to get too far out of town to start noticing in either, do you, Chris?
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Speaker 3: Like the extent with city lights affect the visibility of the soul of the stars and the solar system is astonishing, isn't it.
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Speaker 12: Oh, that's right, it's no, it is. It's quite an amazing thing and we're very, very fortunate to have it. We're not the darkest place in Australia, you know, our co rule or our springs outside those cities, you know, in the really remote areas, it's spectacular. But this is you know, just ninety minutes from the city, and that's what makes it special underground observatory if you like it's it's not going to be completely underground. It's going to be a building that is basically covered in earth, so it's it's going to be almost invisible until you get to it. And that's part of the reason for that is to keep the light inside the building so that people when they're visiting and so I'm doing in the normal things that people would do in a planetarium and observatory, but the light won't escape. And the other reason for having it with covered in earth is to keep the telescopes cool so that they can operate at night, because the mirrors inside these large telescopes can warp in when it gets hot, and so it's one way of cooling the whole system.
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Speaker 2: It's a great concept. Presumably, in the process of trying to secure funding, surely universities will be pretty keen on this, wouldn't they, Chris, With the research opportunities, I.
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Speaker 12: Think that's that's exactly what we want to do. There is a major opportunity for serious research. What we want to have is probably the largest privately owned telescope in Australia, which is pretty ambitious. But these telescopes can be operated by computer. They're connected to the Internet and so they can actually be operated from anywhere in the world. So we could link up with you Harbor Than America or some other university in Japan, for example, and that makes it a true, truly amazing asset for the region.
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Speaker 3: Fascinating stuff, Chris Chris Tugwell from the River Murray International Dark Sky Reserve, thank you for joining us. Got some chilling nail biding stories on the police home care text line, but people running out of petrol in all sorts of exciting places. Com says, my wife just made it into the driveway of our daughter's house on the skinny windy part of Greenhill Road when she conked out. Imagine the hold up of traffic if it had happened on the road. I imagine that any way to snow down there, summertown rather, Julie says, how's this for location? My sister ran out of petrol the bottom of the pass on Goodwood Road.
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Speaker 2: It was a bit awkward. How do you do that? You just go down and then it just can't come up in coke out? You cok out. I think I can, I think I can. The weather for today heading for the top of twenty one. It's nine degrees outside at the moment. Over the course of the week it's going to be pretty pleasant. So Tomorrow twenty two and sunny Thursday twenty seven with a shower or two, but really nothing notable, certainly given what we've had twenty five on Friday twenty eight, on Saturday twenty nine on Sunday, but with a change and some rain zero to six mills of rain Sunday and then zero to seven on Mondays it drops back to twenty degrees. Tom w Ren is in the five double A breakfast studio came in like a ninjai. Didn't here there any glider or garage doors, adding strength, style and safety to your home gliderol dot com dot AU.
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Speaker 15: Good morning morning, Will morning, David. I know you would have watched it last night will the A League clash for Adelaide United. Gee, they had some chances, didn't they. Look, this one was converted just on the cusp of halftime to make things one all against MacArthur FC.
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Speaker 16: How look your twelve hungers.
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Speaker 15: And is Johnny Yall in the Milestone.
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Speaker 2: Match so things are looking good.
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Speaker 15: They've dominated possession, two thirds of possession, shots on target they won that they had shots, you know at goal they had more than MacArthur FC.
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Speaker 2: The better side.
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Speaker 15: But the beauty and also the pain of the world game is if you don't take your chances, it doesn't matter. Yeah, really really disappointed. Encouraging but disappointing. Well again, I think we've had to change our expectations for this season. That they have been more competitive through these first two games than I think anyone expected. But you made the point ready, how deep do they batch? Yes, what happens in two months time, and there's a couple of injuries. Yeah, when everyone's healthy, it's probably going to look all right.
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Speaker 2: But that when the quests mind you that that's a really negative slant on what's actually been in quite a positive start despite the result last night exactly.
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Speaker 15: So I think there's a bit of hope there and hope they get some good crowds. They're playing away again next week against Auckland FC, so we'll see.
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Speaker 17: How they go.
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Speaker 2: But MacArthur aleague se yeah and a couple of years old. Yeah, yeah, and not it's a tough night. The crowd was low. I mean those club champions the Australian Cup. There are twenty seven people exactly.
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Speaker 15: It was I mean a Monday night though It's hard for people, isn't It started the working week? You know, you're in a suburban town playing and trying to get people.
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Speaker 3: MacArthur's right on the edge of Sydney exactly like that in peak out that would be an hour and a half's drive from the CB.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Seriously.
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Speaker 15: The other thing I wanted to talk about, and maybe we'll do it later in the week, will is just the impact because I actually think it's been a really strong start to the NBA season, but the fallout from this betting scandal I hope isn't going to be too severe. But you know, surrounding Chauncey Phillips and everything going on, it's it's significant.
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Speaker 2: It's a mammoth story and it feels like the FBI I've got more to come as well. Yeah, not too often in the middle of a season you see head coaches and players being carted off to court and prison effectively.
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Speaker 15: I know, it's wild time, So we'll perhaps explore that a little bit later.
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Speaker 2: In the know, it's a good warning to Australia and Australian sport, because I think the NBA and your sports beatings newer in the US being legal than it is in Australia. We've had it for a lot longer. However, I reckon they would have thought they were innewed from a lot of the worst of this in terms of influencing games. Because of the fact Chauncey Bilbs has made one hundred and fifty million dollars over the course of his playing career, Terry Rosey has made about one hundred. Like you kind of think once you earn about one hundred million dollars, we'll make Getting fifty gran one hundred grand two hundred from the mafia to give information is kind of what do I care? Who cares? Yeah, this has proved that's not right. There's no amount of money that doesn't And I think rent's the lure of this kind of thing.
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Speaker 15: And I think you'd be naive to think that they're the only two.
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Speaker 3: Go completely you know, it's inside knowledge. It's one of the most powerful human Yeah, well, when you think you know something that other people don't know.
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Speaker 2: The basketball Shane ward Mark war thing a bit in the pitch conditions and.
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Speaker 15: Spot betting and prop betting. You know, on how many rebounds you want to get, David, or how many points you on school? Will is so easy to bet on and so easy.
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Speaker 2: To InWorld and an eighty two game season, it's easy to give. Yeah, strings a bit sore and we have to come out yeap before halftime, which is what the allegation. It's trot's ear is. So he hit all the unders. So yeah, yeah, slippery slide. Not good. Good on your reading, Thanks boy, David.
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Speaker 1: Penberthie and Will Goodings five double a Breakfast.
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Speaker 2: Twenty four minutes to seven. In a moment, we're going to be talking with an A and U astrophysicist and cosmologist Brad Tucker about the chances that a car driving on the Gusta Highway was struck by a meteorite by a process of an elimination what do they call it, David Ockham's razor. People have said, well, it's got to be something that was hot traveling at speed that smashed into a windscreen and melted. It could have been a burrito, could have been a burrito. I think Brad might be able to rule that one out, but we'll find out very shortly. It's other forms of car related calamity that we discussed in the first half hour. David almost ran out of petrol on the way in this morning to do the emergency U turn, so asking you about times that you've run out of petrol Chris and Libra Mundane slightly that one, but yeah, you wouldn't have won a prize Chris and Libra, good morning.
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Speaker 13: Mind. Yeah, we've bought a new a seed and this and from I think it was the main or one of those, and I've finished work at school. He decided to go and pick it up, and picked it up. We took off and she stopped in the middle of King William Street and North Terrace.
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Speaker 3: The busiest intersection in South Australia at five o'clock.
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Speaker 2: And you meant to get a free fuel tank when you buy a car, Chris, I.
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Speaker 13: Would have thought, so, yeah, yeah, absolutely, Pola her a real cheero.
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Speaker 2: Did anyone get out and help you push Chris?
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Speaker 18: Ah?
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Speaker 13: Well no, oh yes, actually the police didn't into and they realized what situation.
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Speaker 2: Right, Good on your mate, Thank you, Chris. All right, let's see what was this? A meteor? A media right, media right What's sort of a nice story because this unites the two subjects of the first hour. We talked about the Swan reach a dark reserve and star gazing and also car related issues. Well, this is the two coming together. Driving on the Augusta Highway, guy was in his test was in self driving mode at the time, which he says kind of saved him. So as opposed to swerving wildly or reacting to this thing smashing into the windscreen, the car just drove on continents as as per normal. So I think you're allowed to yourself driving mode in Australia. Yet I think you can, but you have to be sitting by. You need to have your hands on the wheel. Okay, we need to be seeing Tesla drivers might know self drivers.
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Speaker 3: There was a documentary about it the other day involving Well, there's been several cases where people have actually died when it's been in self drive made.
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Speaker 2: Is that right? It doesn't work properly? How long ago was that? Well, pretty recently, I think was it? Because all the data about self anyway, this is this is a different story. All the data in the US about the self driving stuff is about ten times less likely to be involved in a crash.
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Speaker 3: If it's off line, we as would say, as you'd say, the management meeting.
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Speaker 2: We will let's talk about the likelihood that this particular car was struck by a meteorite. Doctor Brad Tucker is an astrophysicist and cosmologist at ANU. Doctor Tucker, good morning to you. Just at face value, does this sound credible to you?
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Speaker 19: Maybe there's a few things that favor a few things not quote sure. So I think first of you to think about it. When video fall, they do fall fast, but not necessarily as fast as people think because most of the energy it's actually lost when it hits yours atmosphere. So this thing hits yours atmosphere, breaks apart and lots of that energy is lost. That's why when you often find meteor rights on the ground, they don't have this huge crater. Now it's still falling from a good height, so it's going to have some speed behind it. And we do know that these things can can you know, h hit objects in the ground. And there's actually a really famous video earlier this year where someone's you know, like those doorbell cameras caught a meteorite, a little one tiny, hitting their their pavers outside their ground and kind of making this splash on it. So that could happen, and you know, they do come down a lot, So there is a chance that this could be meteor related.
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Speaker 3: Does the hate aspect of it make it more likely, Doctor Tucker? Because the driver said that it wasn't just that the windscreen was heat, it was that it sort of melted a bit, so not, it depends.
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Speaker 19: Meteorites don't actually fall as hot as people think. You know, I think about it this way, right, you take a frozen pie out of the freezer, you stick it in the microwave, but you only put on the microwave for a few seconds. You're gonna get a couple of hot spots, but actually a lot of it's cold. But depending on the composition the meteorite, sometimes they land actually cold, believe it or not. And there's been reports of people getting cold burns.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 19: It does milk coming through the atmosphere. So depending on the type it was, it still could be molten on the outside, which could do as you said, what did to the windscreen. So here the subtlety of the type of meteorite actually will determine whether it was related or not.
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Speaker 6: If it was at all.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, amazing stuff.
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Speaker 19: Good and look, I mean, these things do come down from the sky. I mean there is literally a few hundred tons of rock that hit the earth every day, so it is not out of the question that that could be related. There's you know, we're actually relatively lucky. There have been very few times reportedly that any one or anything has been hitted by avidre There was someone in Alabama who is believed to be the only person struck by the media, right, and kind of has this scar over their shoulder when they got hit. But for the most part, we've kind of been lucky, except maybe this person.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's wrong exactly.
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Speaker 3: Then he's got to go through the fine print of the insurance premium as well, only to be told by he's insuring, Nah, we don't cover for media, right.
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Speaker 2: I like that, you know, the way you have to feel out your insurance came going to draw a little diagram of what happened. I'd love to see his diagram. We're like a picture of mediaite share spaceship sitting on Mars. That was a good explanation, doctor Tucker. The likelihood of this. Thank you, doctor Brad Tucker, and you astrophysicist and cosmologists are getting a few text on the Policecare text line about the self driving question, which we veered into mind the pun one.
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Speaker 3: Here from Kay saying Tesla's technology has been criticized for not using.
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Speaker 2: Leader and radar what Waimo uses. Weimo is another a brand of car that does self driving. They're the self driving Ubers that exist in five or six cities in the US at the moment. Okay, different technology. Elon's totally anti that technology. Yeah, right.
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Speaker 3: And one here saying self driving is legal now. Uber drivers are using it already approximately one hundred and thirty dollars a month for the program.
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Speaker 20: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Dad talked about it on radio yesterday because my brother had been at sat an Ubro over the weekend and the guy just sort of sat there and the car drove him to where they were going. What about the quite very quiet way of drivers of the phone. Well, that's the real benefit of the self driving up the conversation.
00:30:42
Speaker 3: You don't need to hold onto the steering wheel and you can keep talking to your mates while driving a car.
00:30:48
Speaker 2: Terrific. Let's let's talk about aviation. Bretton Cox, the managing director Adelaide airport. But a bit in the news the last twenty four hours today there is a significant news service that I reckon a lot of South Australia is going to be excited to take up direct flights from Adelaide to christ Church. Breton Cox, good morning to you.
00:31:08
Speaker 21: Oh, good morning gents.
00:31:10
Speaker 2: This is good news. Quantas they're back with the world's shortest international flight. It's good, it's a good story.
00:31:18
Speaker 21: Well, you know what, it's actually in New Zealand this morning doing this to christ Church. But Kantas does kick.
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Speaker 4: Off on Friday.
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Speaker 2: Quantus is Friday in New Zealand's today, Yeah, that's.
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Speaker 9: Right, it's right.
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Speaker 21: We've actually the Silver Fern that's been on the tarmac sleeping overnight and it's going to take off in ten minutes to the South Island. So in New Zealand now is the only carrier in Adelaide that actually flies to two different locations in Auckland and christ Church. But yeah, Qantas is going to kick off their Auckland service on Friday's.
00:31:47
Speaker 2: What's the direct flight to christ Church take? How much flying time?
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Speaker 21: It's just so it is, you know, shorter than Bowie, So four hours, fifteen minutes yeah, it's funny. Well do you know what's because christ Church is furthest south, you'd assume Auckland would be closer. That there's a funny curvature of the earth thing that means that you're getting there a little bit faster, so you have no excuses to go on holidays over our summer to the South Island.
00:32:14
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and it's great over there, like you know, people associated with the snow, but summertime Queenstown and all that, they have a lot of our good activities. Is What was your take Britain on the changes to the height restrictions for skyscrapers in the CBD. Is that something that the airport is was involved with pretty heavily.
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Speaker 21: Yeah, we because you sort of assume that you'd be we'd be a bit nervous about it, and initially to some degree we are because the heights are around protecting navigation lads. But really there's there's an old system that is was very cunky from an approvals process. You go to state, you get to a the airport, the airport goes to Kassa in their services, and then the government comes back to the airport, back to the state and so you can imagine you're trying to build a tool building and going through an approval process like that, you sort of had to be an astrophysicist or something to navigate it. So it just simplifies it. Yeah, we pre approve it, so we preapprove up to certain heights that we know our states, and they are heights that if you've gone through that bureaucratic process that you would have got the approval anyway. So because it's just process improvement, so we're very we're very happy with it. And if it helps you grow South Australia's economy, then there's more people to fly, so we're happy.
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Speaker 2: It's a good approach. It's a good collaborative approach to solving oursing problem in South Australia. Albeit it not everyone agrees, as we'll just find out over the course of this more. Breton thanks for your time, mate, not at all, No, thank you, Bret Bretton Cox, the managing director at Adelaide Airport. Do you ever flown in New Zealand? Yes, yeah, I went and think when we flew to New Zealand, flew in New Zealm. Yeah, yeah, I Reckon, We I know, I Reckon we flew Jetstar as years ago. It was I only had two kids at that point. I remember getting on the fly. No, no, no, no, no no. We did play in New Zealand.
00:34:11
Speaker 3: We flew to Sydney there. We flew in New Zealand. Yeah, but there was a jet Star flight at the end of our trip coming back. It was flying in Melbourne or Sydney or something like that. Because I after trying to ski for one day. That night at dinner, I said to the family, but I know about the rest of yours, I am never doing that again. That was a colossal waste of money and it was not even remotely entertaining. At one point I was holding onto a fence on the side trying to slide down a hill into a car park.
00:34:43
Speaker 2: So embarrassing.
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Speaker 3: I like someone once said, you can replicate the effect of skiing by standing fully closed in a nice cold shower tearing fifty dollar notes in half as an accurate description. But yeah, no, they said, just a float to of sixty two to Melbourne's about the board, could any passengers with mobility issues please board early? And then it looked like some emergency ward. They were about seventeen people getting onto Yeah. Yeah, I'm glad I'm not one of them.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well it looks spectacular the people who can do it. But yeah, anything short of being really good at it looks like a disaster happened. No, no chance. Yeah, it's really hard, really hard. Mike in Manningham, when's your car ran out of petrol?
00:35:32
Speaker 18: It wasn't nine. It was a friends that arrived at work early one morning and they were hop and mad because they'd received a sign the cops had booked them because they'd run out of petrol at one of the major intersections in the city and they were holding up the traffic and.
00:35:50
Speaker 2: They got booked. They got booked seriously.
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Speaker 18: Yep, they were hop and mad about it.
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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what that's ends. You know, you can occasionally jag a bad anything, a bad Barbara, bad news. Occasionally you can jag about a bad police officer. I reckon someone having a bad catabism. So good right, thank you? Kep coming in eight double two three, double O, double O.
00:36:16
Speaker 1: David Penberthy and Will Goodings five double a breakfast.
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Speaker 2: No Minister. Seven. Let's find out what Tuesday has in store for us with Daniel Sherwin Simpson from the Weather Bureau. Morning, yar, Daniel, has it looking.
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Speaker 22: Good morning guys. Yeah, it's looking a little bit clearer than it was yesterday, and that's generally going to be the story, although otherwise conditions are going to feel fairly similar. It's still going to be a little bit more of a mild day. Was a bit of a cool morning. We got down to eight point seven degrees in the city. Will probably sit around ten or so degrees tomorrow, but chance we could dip into sort of nine degrees and keep it a single digit. So going to be cool for the next couple of days, and then we'll warm up on the Thursday, with a slight chances seeing a light shower only a millimeter or less on the Thursday. A warm weekend ahead of us.
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Speaker 2: Good stuff, Daniel, Thanks for that, Daniel Sherwin Simpson. All right, let's say to say poulsony Constable Peter Williams joins us. Peter. Five kids been arrested for a disturbance at a bottle shop in Plimpton.
00:37:12
Speaker 9: Yeah, good morning. Will you have to motor me again?
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Speaker 5: But that's okay.
00:37:15
Speaker 9: Just after ten o'clock last night, officers were called to the bottle shop on the corner of Marion Road and areazak Kiwa and Clinton after reports of a large group of kids who were causing trouble. Pot arrival, staff told police that two female youths had allegedly tried to steal alcohol. When they were confronted by security, they left, but they decided to return with a group of about a dozen us age between ten and seventeen a short time later. Instead of being home doing their homework and preparing for school today, these kids were out the course chaos and began throwing rocks, smashing windows. One use held a metal star dropper at a staff member and another punched staff member several times to the face. Thankfully, no one was seriously injured, but police attended as I said and arrested five years at the scene, and investigations that had got ongoing to identify the other kids involved. Those that were arrested two fourteen year old girls from Christie's Beach and Christie Downs, a fifteen year old girl from Woodcroft. They were all charges aggravated afray. A seventeen year old boy from Happy Valley was charged aggravated a fray and breached a bail and a fourteen year old boy from Claverly Park was charged with aggravated assault, aggravated a fray and property damage. They've all been going to a bar with strict conditions to adhere to and to attend the Adelaide's court on December eleven. But the behavior by these kids is simply appalling and if it's their idea of a Monday night, their future career aspirations aren't looking that bright.
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Speaker 20: Well.
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Speaker 3: Given what happened to the person who attacked staff at the Kabar Hotel and was running around saying we're all going to you're all going to die tonight, the courts have set a precedent now whereby I would say attacking being part of a gang that attacked staff with a star dropper, and I'm guessing the staff at this bottle shop were probably pretty young. Let's let's not really waste our time waiting with baited breath to see what kind of signal the court's send on this one. You know, when Troy Bell can go to jail for five years and people like this, it's like, oh well, this is complicated, this is hard. You know we're going to end up like bloody Victorian and I know why you guys waste your time arresting people, because this is going to get to court. None of them will spend a day in court and in jail because because they're young, because they've got tough backgrounds. You know, I'm not you know, you guys are only had to comment on things like this. You're freedom if you want.
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying you can't.
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Speaker 9: Well, what I'm doing, David is we don't see it as a waste of time. I understand you say it's wasting our time. We don't see it as a waste of time because at that point in time, our job is to go there and protect those staff members from the hassles that they are receiving at the time.
00:39:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, we've taken action.
00:39:40
Speaker 9: We're put them on bay. Our conditions, our jobs to put them to the courts, and the courts will make the determination what the penalty is. And yeah, it's the matter for them.
00:39:47
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think one part of the legal system of doing its job, and it's called you anyway, thank you.
00:39:55
Speaker 2: We digress. Someone's been arrested in Smithfield Plains for threatening a member of the public with an axe.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, just after four am two witnesses spotted a mail try and door handles on Curtis Road at Smithfield Plains and contacted police. Moments later, those witnesses were confronted by the same man who was standing in a garden on Green with Crescent with armed with an axe and he threatened them. So obviously not in your usual four am Smithfield Plains gardening session. But police arrive quickly and arrested the man. He's been charged with unlawfully on premises, two counts for assault and carrying an offensive weapon and the axe was removed from him and has been seized by police. He's been grant to bail and he'll have faced the Elizabeth Metro Rates Court on the twenty eighth November. So gardening sessions out north early hours of the morning.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely thank you Sergeant Sergeant Williams. There apologies PETA Sergeant Peter Williams from SAPAR As you were talking about the role in which courts are playing and inappropriately punishing these people. I can't help but think of the story of Ben Hyde and the newspaper Mayday with the person there's the contemplation of home detention for the person who drove a hundred seventy k's of our while drug addled and left him with permanent brain damage. And the most notable part of that story in the tisers reporting the conditions of home detention. I copied this part down this morning because I couldn't believe it. Offenders under home detention are subject to electronic monitoring, but can seek release to leave their home for employment, education, urgent medical treatment, and quote any other purpose approved by their supervisor. See that seems onerous, doesn't it. It sounds like normal life to me. That's yeah, here's the detention bit. You can get out. You can get out having served fifty percent of your non parole period footage you want that gir Gola Bastard died in his car. Yep. It's unbelievable, terrific. The fact that ben Hyde is still with us is extraordinary. Lynn Arnold, who we always love catching up with. I was reading a piece yesterday. He's joining forces with another former premier, this time the former Premier of Victoria, a Liberal MP, former Liberal MP Ted Bellue.
00:42:01
Speaker 3: And this is over the walk of towers that are going up at Festival Plaza behind State Parliament.
00:42:07
Speaker 2: We've got Lynn on the line.
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Speaker 3: Now Lynn, good morning, and thanks for joining us again. What's a lot of response that you had. Because it's been it's been probably close to a year, maybe not quite a year since you sort of entered the fray on this, has it become a bit of a sleeper issue of people sort of.
00:42:24
Speaker 2: Cottoning on too.
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Speaker 11: I can tell you as I speak to people in the streets and just in the community generally, I have not yet come across anybody who favors this tower of regrets that is proposed to be put up behind Parliament House. Generally speaking, the feeling is very strongly against this damage to this wonderful heritage site that we have, and so that's why we're continuing to push this issue. There's lots of questions to be answered. We've asked these questions of the government, but particularly we want to point out for the premiere that this is a legacy project and what is the legacy going to be of a kind of Federation Square development behind the Parliament House picking up the unique heritage of the Parliament House and all that surrounds it, or a tombstone tower that has been proposed that has been approved for a one dollar a year lease for one hundred years that in forty to fifty years will be virtually ready to be torn down and some future tax players will have to tear it down.
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Speaker 3: Well, you mentioned at lenarnand you mentioned Federation Square in Melbourne, which is a great gathering spot for the public. They have free contents there. They had a great free content there the night of the night before the AFL Grand Final. Is that something that you think that space should naturally lend itself to.
00:43:45
Speaker 11: Absolutely, and what's more, picking up the wonderful heritage of the area. You know, Federation Square in Melbourne was actually built on what was two tombstone towers themselves. They were owned by the Victoria Gas Corporation I think, and the government of the day tore them down to make that space. Now, we don't have to tear a building down because it's not there yet, but if it is put there, some future comment is going to have to do that.
00:44:13
Speaker 2: Good stuff.
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Speaker 3: Lyn len Arnold always love catching up with Lennard a former Premier South Australia. Now from the Save of the Festival Plaza Aliance.
00:44:20
Speaker 1: David Penberthy and Will Goodings five double a breakfast payment.
00:44:25
Speaker 2: It's after seven. Good morning too, if you're joining us for the very first time on this Tuesday, the twenty eighth of October. Coming up this Rfund the program Phil Curry in the Nation's Capital. We'll talk federal politics with Phil Plenty going on regarding the debate about Net zero in the coalition at the moment. We'll talk police legislation with the Shadow Minister for Community Safety, Police and Correctional Services, Jack Baddie. In just a moment, I want to reflect on a couple of things we discussed in the first hour this morning, namely Peter Williams Sergeant Peter Williams police report regarding a bottle shop theft have a listen.
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Speaker 9: As were called to the bottle shop on the corner of Marion Road and Anazak Kil, Aplinton as reports of a large group of kids who were causing trouble. Pot arrival, staff told police that two female us had allegedly tried to steal alcohol. When they were confronted by security, they left, but they decided to return at a group of about a dozen use age between ten and seventeen. A short time later. These kids were out to cause chaos and began throwing rocks, smashing windows, one use held of metal star dropper at a staff member and another punched staff member several times to the face.
00:45:27
Speaker 2: So ten and seventeen dozen of them stuff members been assaulted. D a star droppers start. Anyone who knows what a star dropper is. You've seen those.
00:45:35
Speaker 3: Solid, heavy metal poles with the blunt triangular tip and that the sharp ends with the holes down the side for making temporary fences.
00:45:45
Speaker 2: They are heavy. I reckon.
00:45:49
Speaker 3: Young people only do things like this because they know that they can, and we need to stop making excuses. We need to start sending a signal that if you do things like this, your life will change through actual incarceration. And we should say to all the hand ringers out there, is like God, it's complicated, it's hard, it's not, it is not.
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Speaker 2: There are plenty of kids who have come from the wrong side of the tracks who do not behave like this. And the fact that, you know, how terrifying for the staff to have said go away or will call the police, So then they go back in greater numbers and it becomes like a mini riot. It's extraordinary. We would like to speak to anyone who works maybe in bottle shops, in people who in anywhere that sells liquor, because so often these are the places that are targeted. If you work in one of these places, we'd love to hear from you this morning. How often are you witnessing something like this? If you live through it, did you leave the industry? Maybe because it was it was still too much? Eight double two three double o double o. The other group, of course too, As you said David in the first out, they tend to be young people that work in these places. Are you a parent that as a child that works in a drive through or some kind of liquor store. Have they previously grandchild? How do you feel about it? We'd love to hear from the families affected, and by extension, the victims of these sorts of crimes, because it's all too often they're forgotten in this eight double two to three double o doublo. I want to hear your stories. The other thing we did in the first hour was talked to about the likelihood that a self driving Tesla on the Augusta Highway was hit by a meteorite. Are you aware David that thanks to Patty and m out there, we now have an in house band here at five Double O an in house band. We have an in house band, and it's not because we've got blooder budget all thanks to the magic of artificial intelligence. They have a new group called the Chatterboxes, Grant Paul and Tom. Grant, Paul and Tom have written a song about the Metia orite hitting the car called Sparks Will Fly. That's the chatter Boxes. That's Grant Paul and Tom. Sparks Will Fly, inspired by our story in the first hour of the program.
00:48:28
Speaker 3: That's scary. That's scary for views though. A paper turns up the sort of FM dross that could actually chart.
00:48:33
Speaker 2: A paper came out just this week about AI music and humans were battered below fifty percent and determining whether it was a song was written by a real person or artificial intelligence. Music I hadn't heard before, obviously the Australian singer songwriter Jack River.
00:48:49
Speaker 3: She's leading the campaign against the use of AI in music, and she gave a presentation down at UNISA a couple of weeks ago that I went along to and they did that as an exercise. Pick pick the AI song.
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Speaker 2: How did people go the audience We're getting all of them wrong and scary isn't it anyway big thanks to the chatterboxes with sparks will fly. Last night on seven years Smith I sat down with the former top prosecutor and see how the Australia Stephen Polaris, tried to get to the bottom of a mystery accident he suffered some two months ago that left him in a coma with serious injuries. He joins us now on five Double a Breakfast Stephen Polaris, Good morning to you.
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Speaker 14: Good morning gentlemen.
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Speaker 2: Well, we're good to see that you're still in the land of the living, mister Polaris.
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Speaker 3: It must have been a frightening ordeal and it's sort of made more complicated by the fact that you're still sort of none the wiser as to how you fell over or indeed what happened at all.
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Speaker 14: That's that's the that's the disturbing part about the whole business. Not so much the injury, because you recover from those. It's just not knowing exactly what happened and how you can prevent it happening again. That's that's with a big problem.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned last night, Stephen Chenning with Smith on seven that there was a couple of witnesses, because there's always been this theory though maybe especially given you a formal line of word, that maybe had been attacked or some such and they hadn't told you that was the case. What did they tell you about what they saw that night?
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Speaker 14: They told me that they had seen that a garbage truck was coming past pick and collecting bins. My recollection is that I had been bringing in the rubbish bins and a neighbor who was also I think collect he's been saw me pushing my bin back towards my home.
00:50:41
Speaker 11: He saw me fall.
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Speaker 14: He thinks perhaps it might have even been chipping on the bin. And then he and one of the people who on the garbage truck, a woman, actually ran to my help and helped me up, and I think one of them got a chair and they put me in the chair, and then on one of them also being an ambulance, and the ambulance came and that was it.
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Speaker 3: So Stephen Palas, what now that, now that you are sort of up and about and physically better, what's the what's the thinking with your campaign and what's the sort of headline grabbing sort of platform that you that you're running on for the election.
00:51:21
Speaker 2: Next year.
00:51:22
Speaker 14: Well, it's always been the headline grabbing a campaign, as you've caught it has always been in relation to domestic violence and the way we treat domestic violence incidents. I think there's a lot of work to do in relation to the methods that the police use, the methods and the money that the government's putting into that area. Are also areas like the manner in which we do rape trials and the laws relating to rapes in our country. They demonstrate by the number of as that there are in a rape trial that something needs to be changed. So it's there a number of issues that concerned me. But I suppose if they have the big one, that would be the mystic environment.
00:52:11
Speaker 3: Jevity thoughts more broadly about the way that justice system operates.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you came in off the back of some fairly.
00:52:21
Speaker 3: Sort of a fiery discussion this morning about this incident involving you at a bottle shop down on Anzac Highway overnight. We've been talking recently about what feels like the disparity between a sentence like the one Troy.
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Speaker 2: Bell got.
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Speaker 3: Versus others where no sentence at all, or a fully suspended sentence rather has been handed down for crimes of violence committed against people. Now that you're a bit more detached from the legal system, no longer the DPP, do you do you have a bit of a sympathy for the populist sensibility, the populist sense of confusion and even anger about these things.
00:53:02
Speaker 14: Well, I had a sense of a sense of confusion even when I was THEVP. You could he could never anticipate which way that the court was going to go on a conviction. But it raises another issue in my mind, which is very, very significant, apart from the issue of a juvenile violence, which is really expanded enormously over the past where it feels like the past couple of years. But that is the issue of parole, and I talk about that in relation to Lasarcas, one of the bodies in the barrel murderers. In my view, parole ought to be abolished. At any consideration that that man, a man who has murdered four people be released on parole is just nonsense. Generally speaking, the criminal law, it has its problems, it has its flaws, and I figured that the fifty years I've spent practicing it a little bit about where we should start.
00:54:01
Speaker 2: Looking absolutely well. Great to chat to you.
00:54:05
Speaker 3: David Stephen Plaris Case, the former Director of Public Prosecutions here in South Australia. Running is a Canada and next year state election.
00:54:13
Speaker 1: David Penberthy and Will Goodings five double a Breakfast.
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Speaker 2: Twenty one minutes after seven, the suns up and Adelaide. Beautiful day on the way today. Unfortunately this subject matter this morning. Has it been so beautiful? We're gonna chat with Jack Baddie at a moment about the way in which the state government has lagged in introducing some legislation to combat pretty base level criminality. We asked you out coming out of seven o'clock this morning about instances or experiences in the service of liquor industry, bottle shops or drive throughs, bodolos where you've been subject to violence. There's yet another story this morning. A dozen young people returned after being refused service at a bottle shop, assaulted someone who worked there, used a star dropper and held it to someone like that. We're talking high level offending here. Surprise surprise, bail previously granted and given again. And we've got some stories coming through on the Police Homecare text line that's want to read out quickly before we get to Jack Batti, because he might like to comment on this. This one, Gab says, this group of thugs would be the same that did it to our bottle shop on South Road the other Saturday night. A group of a dozen stole grog, threatened to kill us. Then we got belted with rocks and bricks. They said you can't touch us. Well, they're right, he says, bloody terrible behavior. Now worst I've seen in my twenty six years. Thank you. Another one here says I run a chain of service stations and can tell you the amount of violence our young console operator's face is disgusting. We no longer report peptical drive offs or retail thefts, and police admit they don't have the resources to follow up. It's simply a waste of time. Even if court they just receive a warning. This starts a joke. This Adelaide's starting to feel like remember when Matt Pan tell us it was Sjuna. Yeah, yeah, the place where nobody bothered reporting crime anymore. Because everyone got to the point where this is just how it is. There's a bit of this is just how it is that permeates this story and the text we're getting this morning from people that are in these frontline industries that are subject to this kind of repeated violence. The Shadow Minister of Community Safety, Police and Correctional Services is Jack Baddie. Jack, we wanted to talk about copper theft with you because the state government's taken some time to judious legislation to crack down on this form of criminal behavior. But do you have a view about how we might better handle these sorts of incidents that we've been talking about this morning. Oh?
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Speaker 23: Look, it's totally out of control, guys. Youth crime is skyrocketing across the state, and they don't think it's happening by accident. It's happening because we don't have enough police officers, and it's happening because we have weak laws. No one should be surprised if we keep seeing kids commit crimes if there's no consequences for it. How much frustrating must it be for our to be going and arresting the same kids for the same crimes over and over again because they keep getting released out on bail only to go and commit more crimes. I just think it's making an absolute mockery of the justice system. So we would promise to review into penalties and breach of bail laws a little while ago. We still have seen nothing from that and no new legislation. But action has to have consequences, and we need tougher laws and tougher bail laws in particular, Jack.
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Speaker 3: Can I ask you this is in relation to the piece on the front page of the TiSER today. I find this extraordinary where the advertisers Ben Hyde almost lost his life and has been left with lifelong injuries after being hit by a car speeding along West Terrace by this dragonld half with Luigi Glagora. Now, even though mister Glagora is not yet eligible for parole, the Corrections Department's Home Detention Committee and its wisdom has decided or is considering rather letting him go on to home attention, very non onerous form of home detention. As well, the Premier has given what I regard as a pretty vague reassurance saying I've spoken to the Minister for Corrections, who's instructed her department to ensure that in line with all cases, the victim, the victim's views any prior offending and remarks made by the sentencing judge. You're taken into account in any decision. That doesn't mean that the decision might not still be made. But someone just seems to step in and say this is not happening.
00:58:34
Speaker 23: Absolutely, the Premier needs to do a lot more than speak to his brand new Corrections minister. This is a dangerous criminal who almost killed a young father in a pretty horrific crash, set to be secretly released from prison well before a non parole period even expires. I mean the underlying problem here is that the prisons are overflowing in South Australia, and rather than addressing the issue, it looks like the government are trying to simply clear people tout of the prison and let them enjoy home detention. Victims have to face the lifelong consequences of crime, while we've got offenders here being handed get out of jar of free cards. I mean home's attention was only ever intended for suitable blow risk offenders. I think in this case that the judge said this person was not suitable for home detention. We shouldn't be using it for dangerous criminals simply because our prisons are full. So I think the government and the new Minister has a really important role to play here. They've got to take some action before we see serious offenders sort of serving their prison time while watching Netflix at home now.
00:59:43
Speaker 2: Jack, I walked past house dear my place when it was dark just recently got the fright of my life because it was a house under construction. Our walk past triggered a series of security lights that lit up the entire street like it was a runway landing strip. The house was ringed in a giant fence. There was the security measures in place to protect a building site where frankly ludicrous and greater than what you'd have there once the full house was built. And it was entirely clearly about preventing copper theft, which has become endemic. The state government had a plan to try and crack down on this kind of theft. Where's that legislation at right now?
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Speaker 23: It's a huge problem. We know there's over two thousand instances of scrap metal theft every year, hundreds of residential properties being targeted every year, and as you say, it's costing major builders over one hundred thousand dollars every year in not only sort of those prevention measures, but also replacement and repair works. It was back in February a couple of police ministers ago now that Labour promised to introduce tough new laws to crack down on this. We're now nine months later and we've luckily got just nine parliamentary sitting days left before the end of the year, and we've no legislation at all. I think it's pretty clear. So often on law and order it's a government that's really interested in the headlines and the big press conference rather than actually delivering what they say they're going to do. So this delay, I think is not only inconvenient, but it's also costly and frankly, it's also dangerous having large wires exposed on construction sites. We shouldn't have to wait for some sort of serious injury or even a death before we actually take.
01:01:27
Speaker 11: Some action on this issue.
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Speaker 3: Jack Baddie, the Shadow Minister for Community Safety, thank you for joining us this morning. Such a lame quote from the premiere. It is lame, lame, lame. The quote he wanted was this will not be happening. That's the quote. The quote, isn't. I've spoken in the minister who's going to talk to her department to make sure that they have a bit of a reading. Nothing quite like what the hell and that quote we're just chatting about this affair. The TiSER gets that quote late yesterday. I'm not saying this because I know what happened, but i know what would have happened, because I've been in this position before. It would have been one of those The call would have gone from the Correction Minister's office to the Premier's office and it would have been like a sort of bit of a late late in the day panic type of the apparently they're putting on the front page. They're saying, what's the Premier going to do about it? Let's let's get them a line. It's a line that it's a line that's designed to sound good without That line is as as a it's a horse that's been designed by a committee because it says nothing. And you know, I think we're at risk of living in a fool's paradise here because we can smugly sit around going, oh, look at Melbourne.
01:02:43
Speaker 2: It's terrible. What's happening in Melbourne? You know they got huge problems. What sort of problems have they got? They've got problems in Melbourne where youth gangs, knowing that the law is not going to do anything to punish them, keep robbing the same soft tar targets and laughing in the face of people who they're physically attacking, saying you can't stop this from happening. Oh, that only happens in Melbourne, does it? Yeah? And if that sounds like Wakey, Wakey Talk Radio hyperbole, by present to you exhibit A the tobacco wars which started in Melbourne and we watched spread across the border like wildfire. Yeah, we're gonna watch again.
01:03:22
Speaker 1: David Penberbe and Will Goodings five double a Breakfast.
01:03:26
Speaker 2: Twenty two minutes to wake Phil Curry coming up in just a moment from the Nation's Capital Talk Federal Politics, a trial by jury before eight o'clock and then after eight this morning, we're going to talk about Australian made We ended the program yesterday about the initiative to try and get Australians buying Australian made products. Clearly, according to the polling data, there's a huge desire to do so. It's not surprising Australians want to buy Australian products. The problem comes when you ask them how much more. They're willing to pay hardly anything. As it turns out, people want Australian made stuff, yes, but they just want it to be no more expense than anywhere else. Are we going to get to that conundrum? After eight o'clock this morning, lots of texts coming through about sentencing criminality. David just made the common off there for a beautiful morning, Adelaide. It's been quite an angry show.
01:04:11
Speaker 3: Well, we don't come in here with the intention of ranting and raving every morning, but I'll tell you what, it's pretty hard to listen to Sergeant Pete Williams at six forty five rattling off the depressing details of the violent story that's unfolded. The bottle of the highway down there on Anzac Highway, which is a carbon copy of what happened at the Arkabar where we know that the offender in that case received zero days in prison, a fully suspended sentence. How's this for a text? This is from a publican. This is terrifying for any bottle shop owners and workers on a direct bus line from the Parklands. They always arrived by bus after they've done their violent theft. They wait at the nearest bus stops to return to the Parklands. I approached the bus stops on glen Osmond Road where they were all there with their hall but they approached my car and I had to beat off to avoid bottles being hurled at me and the vehicle police do not arrive because it is all a waste of time for them.
01:05:07
Speaker 2: And how's this?
01:05:08
Speaker 3: This is how routine these things have become, how ritualized they've become. One of our drive through is we have a camera that's focused on the bus stop. When they get off the bus.
01:05:19
Speaker 2: We close the big roller doors and just shut the shop. Wow, that's extrame.
01:05:25
Speaker 3: We actually invest in technology so you can knowingly shut your business down.
01:05:30
Speaker 2: Because of recidivous defenders. So the owners is totally on you to invest in all the technology, all the equipment because you know that the cops can't do anything. And to his credit, and this is why I love going.
01:05:45
Speaker 3: Off pissed with Pete Williams because he's such a great smart bloke and such a lovely bloke. But they have an on air conversation where I said to him, don't you think the cops are just wasting you guys must feel like you're wasting your time, and he said, well, no, because it's our job to provide security to the business and it's our job to get the offenders and then hand them over to the courts and then the courts do what they will with them. Will I beg to differ with that? I think as an outsider looking at it. To me, if there's no justice at the end of it, it has been a waste of time. And what you're doing is, rather than being police who are the first step on what we sort of viewphimistically called the justice.
01:06:24
Speaker 2: System, you're actually just security guards.
01:06:26
Speaker 3: When you're available, you're just stopping something from happening, or continuing it happen, or arriving after it happened. And then the court where the courts come in. It's like you're free to go.
01:06:37
Speaker 2: We'll revisit that after eight o'clock nineteen to weight let's head to Canberra. Phil Curry, the Political letter of the Australian Financial Review, joins this Morning film That Morning Pilot, where well it would I mean, it seems inevitable. Now the Coalition's net zero policy is going to survive and it's a current format. What's your best guess at what it's going to look like and will it be enough to keep the coalition the coalition?
01:07:00
Speaker 17: Look, first question, it'll be something about you know, they'll still there, won't be a target the original It's probably more like an aspiration, but they're not going to die in a ditch on it, if you know what I mean it. It'll be you know, they'll say, look, we want to get there, but it'll be heavily qualified. You know that it can't it can't be at any cost. Now, how how you do that? The policy says, I don't know, but you know, whatever it takes approach at the moment to get there. So I think that you know, that will probably be acceptable to the majority of the coalition because there's someone that do me to stay because their track record on this area is so bad in terms of you know, they'll be fighting over for years than anything that looks like they're walking away from it looks like climate change denial. So I've got to you still believe in climate change, We're going to do something about it, but we've got to know do that cutting our heads off sort of thing economically. So that's the position they're trying to land. Is a big meeting on thry They were staying back after Parliament rises on Thursday to have a have a have another think about it and then sort of a bit of a bag of all the backbenches. But you know we're seeing you know, the government itself will you know, we've announced the twenty thirty five target. The other week they announced the target, but they didn't really want to own how to get there. So you know, there was if you look at the twenty thirty targets, just to get to the twenty thirty target of eighty two percent of newmal energy by twenty thirty and all these other bits and pieces, and when it came to the mechanisms to get to twenty thirty five, the days they said, oh we're not going to own it. These knows they won't even legislate to the target. So the government still tell us the insensitive about this, you know, the politics, because it gets harder now the longer you go by the stuff's being done. So I suspect they'll probably be a political environments us place properly they'll be able to land this. But then you've got out there on the outlies like Barnaby Joys. I don't do anything at all, So they still have to to you calm that element down. So's the work in favors.
01:09:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, I still what is going on with Barnaby because I saw a fight with him yesterday sitting on his own in the House of Wrecs with nobody else sitting around him.
01:09:13
Speaker 2: Is he still in the Nets? Is?
01:09:16
Speaker 17: But he didn't go to their party and he made him yesterday, so he said, oh, well I'll not I will not sitting the party room any more than anyone. But that supports in the zero Well the Nets. We're having a debate, you say, for.
01:09:28
Speaker 10: Watering it down.
01:09:28
Speaker 17: He still wouldn't go to that book. No one, no one's closure. What's going on? To be honest, it's it's you know, I mean, he says he you can't you can't be in the party that supports he did. His party has done to the extal process of doing something about that. And uh, and he still won't turn up. So you probable who know well suspect the real reason is that he knows the type leader of the end. He wants to go through something else because he sort of burnt all his bridges with his colleague and and that's why it's very persistent rooms. He's sort of wander off to one nation at some stage and sometimes then it's another three years ago. Take out of it from cooling answer, Mm hmm. That's the that's the that's the theory.
01:10:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, tarchy. And it's a bit petulant, doesn't it. So it does.
01:10:14
Speaker 17: It's very much you know what I mean. He's got colleageo that Canavan and that who the Nationals. Yeah, they're on the same page as human climbing. Yeah, just thanking sanging. So you change the policy. And yes, there's obviously other stuff going on the behind of me. You know, he can't stand d have a little crowd of later and there's all sorts of personality issues and you know he's he's doing a thing later for a few times.
01:10:37
Speaker 21: He's never going to be realized.
01:10:39
Speaker 2: Jeez, you just letting alb off the hook on they.
01:10:43
Speaker 9: So he's.
01:10:47
Speaker 3: A mad hi getting to play with his Joy Division T shirt. On the other day, he looked like he's off the host rage.
01:10:54
Speaker 17: Flaf. He just didn't there be a lot. I haven't been twenty nine had stop Lewis the last groom and he got injured by by flying them came out of you lost so by time, I don't know that was completely share. He's been complaining on the last having to put on a suit and tie every time he gets on the plane and gets off the plane. So they can so they've can shooting arrival shots. But I think here anyone he's got off his Jew Division T shirt.
01:11:28
Speaker 2: Unbelievable.
01:11:29
Speaker 3: Good stuff for Phil Curry, the national political editor for the Australian Financial Review. A bit of an injake for the Joy Division fans. She's Lost Control will be a pretty good theme song for Susan Lee well unknown pleasures, great record.
01:11:43
Speaker 2: Did she ever lose control? Or I mean, did she ever control? I don't think so. Yeah, I think she loves trust. She yeah, our own. She entered into a counter environment. But she's like the slow cooker version of Liz Trust, the bubbling Yeah, lest Liz moved on quickly. That's right exactly.
01:12:01
Speaker 1: David Penberthy and Will Goodings five double a Breakfast.
01:12:05
Speaker 2: Eleven minutes to iight, it's time for trial by jury.
01:12:08
Speaker 16: In the criminal justice system. I'll defendants are innocent until proven guilty, either by confession, plea bargain or trial by jury. This is one of those trials.
01:12:20
Speaker 2: We always enjoy the jury as it's an opportunity to take the temperature on an issue or get a sense of what people make of a new initiative like this today. But also, and perhaps greater than all that, it's an opportunity to put seafood on the table for someone in Adelaide. We've got one hundred dollars Semtes seafod vouch you to give away thanks to Semtes Seafoods for the best quality seafood and best price is Semtest Seafoods open seven days factory direct Lyrichmond Road, Richmond eight double two to three double double five as the number. If you want to get on the jury, speak to Pat and m. We're asking you this morning about an idea from the only council the tree tax. So what they're going to do and they believe, according to the tiers reporting that this is globally unique is charge higher rates on new developments that essentially fail to keep enough trees. So the way it would work here are the numbers. Your rates go up ten percent on a new development that take up the extra land but fail to keep fifteen percent tree coverage.
01:13:19
Speaker 3: Would you and the trees have to be three meters tall. How's this going to be enforced? So I'm going to come around with the tape mession.
01:13:26
Speaker 2: Well probably maybe the extra revenue will just all go to policing it. I'm from the only council tree unit. I need to enter your yard. I have my ruler and my notepad. One two three tree. I no, that one's only two point nine meters high. Not eligible. I wonder if this will be popular because it's not going to affect anyone who currently has a house and only well, it's all new development, isn't it. It's new developments, and I suspect there's a degree. I mean, none of this is helping combat the housing crisis and making housing affordable, but it will help preserve how the suburb feels. And I think, if you're an existing person, you go, that's not going to cost me any extra. I'll sign up for that.
01:14:05
Speaker 3: Well, it affects everyone in a positive way because the more trees you are, the cooliest suburb is.
01:14:09
Speaker 2: Yes, you know, like you got to sudden, brand new release.
01:14:13
Speaker 3: I can remember going to Trot Park when Trot Park first started because one of my aunties lived there and as a kid like it would have been early eighties when trot Park sprang up overnight nero'halorn hill, and I remember getting there thinking there's no.
01:14:24
Speaker 2: Trees brand new. Yeah. Eight double two three double oh double five. Do you like the idea of council rates being used to keep a certain amount of tree coverage in a suburb? Eight double two to three double o double five Save the trees or give them the chop chop or save something like that. Sometimes Pati, how wonderful produced, just shakes his head, and generally he's right to do so. Our exasperation is what i'd call the emotion. Eight double two to three double o double five is the number sable chop. We like this idea that councils will use council rates as a way that we tried how much tree coverage you get in a suburb? Is there something to this or not? Eight numble two three double double five. Actually I was going to identify one of our listeners. I won't because the jury is entirely anonymous. That said, I know we're getting at least one call from the only council area, so I'm intrigued by that. Let's go to during number one. During number one, this is was your sable chop.
01:15:31
Speaker 18: I'd save the trees, but not at rate payers expense, because they're always trying to screw the rate payers.
01:15:38
Speaker 24: So save the trees, but you pay for it.
01:15:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough and thank you. During number one, I wonder what it does to the sort of the interest of people in developing the area too. Yeah, intriguing. During number two, good.
01:15:52
Speaker 16: Morning, good morning guys.
01:15:54
Speaker 18: Save the trees.
01:15:55
Speaker 4: You know they might bring no climate change.
01:15:58
Speaker 2: Well, that's just it carbon offset. During number two, you can see where your heads at. Say that to Barnaby Joyce might not go to might not go to the meeting. He'll arrived there with a chade. I reckon, he's just been on the turfs again.
01:16:11
Speaker 3: Seriously, I reckon, he's just been on some weird bender and he's just drifted off into his own mad orbit.
01:16:19
Speaker 2: It's hard to argue microphone off. Yeah I did. I turned myself off. Maybe for the best. It's hard to I wonder who's he been representing best at the moment, the interests of those he's there to represent all his own sometimes. I mean, there's a great episode in the Simpsons Simpson is sleep at the switch. Remember that, and home was holding up the free paper sleep Sleep, I wasn't asleep, I was drunk. During number three, good morning, I can just see it only being populated with a whole lot of three houses. That's a nice idea. Do you like that idea? During number three?
01:16:59
Speaker 6: More to the point, Sorry, guys, I misstakeable?
01:17:03
Speaker 2: Was that? Do you like that idea?
01:17:06
Speaker 6: No? Look, I'm annoyed. I live in the in the uncanceled area. You know, if they could get their act together with cleaning up the trees that are in the in the main streets, then I think about it. It's just an absolute mess.
01:17:21
Speaker 2: Thank you. During number three, we've missed a trick here too, And whoever this listener is well played. The question today should have simply been to tree or not to tree? Thank you? We got you know what great text would have been great about five minutes ago? Where were you? You're a number four Good morning?
01:17:39
Speaker 10: Save the trees guy, but shop the counselors.
01:17:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, trade off. That'd be one way to fund well. I guess you're not. You're not saving much necessarily, are you. I'm got to say I live in I've got no issue with it. I actually think it's good. I wonder do you get a discount for planning? More? Can I get?
01:17:59
Speaker 3: Because I reckon I've play under thirty. Well, no, dwarf fruit trees don't count, so I'll take them out of it. But in addition to that, older planted ten other trees.
01:18:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be good if you incentivized beautification through trees and so forth.
01:18:12
Speaker 3: We've got a massive gum tree and I would, I would move heaven and earth to make sure that nothing ever happens to it.
01:18:19
Speaker 2: It's beautiful. So if you've got more trees.
01:18:21
Speaker 3: How about the about how about you to get a discount. It's a very only thing to be talking about, though, wasn't it. Well, yeah, there are some council areas that would quite like to have, you know, curves on the footpath.
01:18:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a different world there. It's it's a very let's keep only great against story. But I think it's a it's a clever it's a clever policy because it enshrines what people like about the suburb and doesn't cost any of the incumbents anything to do so, so it's a very attractive one. I can see. It's even on the even on the text line, and indeed on our jury we've got a lot of support for that measure eight double two three double o double. Then they can keep them coming through on the Police Home Care text line. Things are getting awkward for the royal family over in the UK at the moment. Maybe getting awkward is under cooking it a bit. It's reaching boiling point. King Charles Overnight was a was doing the thing that he does, oppressing the flesh, meeting people, and he got heckled about the handling of his brother, Prince Andrew at and you can hear admit that the nature of the event is a lot of people don't like that kind of heckling going on. It sounded like a Monty Python's kitch, didn't it.
01:19:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, bombastic protested Andy Shakespearean tones in theround.
01:19:48
Speaker 2: Not of any women here. It does feel like this is coming into a head, doesn't it.
01:19:56
Speaker 9: This?
01:19:56
Speaker 2: I think Andrew, I mean, where do you start. He's a pervert. His mates with Epstein had that appalling relationship that was framed clearly around procurement and clearly existed after the point in time that Epstein was accused of the horrific things he was accused.
01:20:13
Speaker 3: Of gone on air and that disaster interview lied through his teeth about you know, his weird I can't sweat condition that he developed in the in the Falklands. Malvinus hasn't paid rent for thirty five years. Thirty five years, three and a half decades. He has not paid rent and has never had a job since he's been out of the Air Force. What's he is a reminder that at its core royalty and this is where Queen Elizabeth Charles William now the Queen Mother pioneering it, you know, not leaving the palace even when it was bombed by the Nazi saying I want to look the east end you know now I'm glad, she said, I'm glad the palace has been by him.
01:21:01
Speaker 2: Now I can at the east end of the face. These are the modern.
01:21:03
Speaker 3: Royals who realize that you need to show a commitment to the people. You need to create a sense of meaning and purpose around the royal family if it's going to endure. Andrew is a reminder that the royals, I mean royalty royalty. These people are so in bred they've got their own genetic disorder named after them. The Habsburg's Hapsburg jaw. You know, you look at Hollo magazine, there's all the third Viscount of Wessex halfwits, doing nothing but playing polo. It's a safe haven for blodgers and he's taking the mickey out of the British people. And you know, like I think the Republic is dead in the water. In Australia, we had our chance and we blew it. But let's not forget he is eighth in line to the throne, seven accidents away from becoming Australia's head of state.
01:21:51
Speaker 2: Given he's about to be kicked out and may be forced to pay rent, what do you think his employment opportunities are? Short resume?
01:22:01
Speaker 3: Can I just get a job on a even working in a call center or something, just any sort.
01:22:06
Speaker 2: Of job, Just to have you tried switching it off and on again. I was wondering if you've been interested in a better energy plan. I was wondering whether he might be able to work at a pizza express he as there has some familiarity with the business model. Just trying to help him out if he's gonna have to fork out for rents sometime in the future. Break you ain't coming up in our future as too is five double a news stick around. I'm from the only council tree unit. I need to enter your yard. I have my ruler and my notepad one two three tree. I know that one's only two point nine meters high. Not eligible.
01:22:43
Speaker 1: David Penberthy and World Goodings five double a breakfast.
01:22:48
Speaker 2: Seven minutes after right break it e't coming up in just a moment. Then we're gonna talk about this Australian made campaign that we ended the show discussing yesterday, something that I think we need to acknowledge that almost every Australian thinks is a good idea, and yet it's a problem because the conundrum of cost and price.
01:23:08
Speaker 3: I read the comments on the tisers article and they were all both overwhelmingly positive.
01:23:14
Speaker 2: And negative at the same time.
01:23:15
Speaker 3: They were like, yeah, this is great, except I went to one of the retailers to buy some towels and the towels were fifty dollars each, forty three dollars more expensive than the ones I could buy online overseas, which would ship the next day. And I was told when I arrived at this store that I had to become a member in order to get and people were just say cost inconvenience. Find example, last night, actually I was shopping for a new phone cover because I got to get my car. My phone got run over by a car. You might recall we told the story a while ago.
01:23:47
Speaker 2: So I finally getting go to buying a new I thought I'd buy a phone case and I started googling. I now this is US, this is UK. Well i'll buy one. I want to buy one made in Australia, or at least designed in Australia, at least, you know, so I Australian companies. It was the UK that was cheaper to get them shipped from the United Kingdom. Presumably they've made in China, but whatever, it was cheaper to get them from overseas than here in Australia. Now, all best intentions don't overcome that. And that's that's the crux of this this story.
01:24:18
Speaker 3: When it got to that very surely a lot of people were making was talking about big firms like Bunning's being part of this going man. Bunning is completely filled with stuff that's made in China. Yeah, so it feels like a bit of a closing the gate after the horse's Bolted campaign.
01:24:34
Speaker 2: This one doesn't it. Well, I think it will fail as a campaign. If the idea is we need to rev Australians up to support Australia. That's not the issue. Australians want to support Australia. Yeah, the question is about can they and what willingness do they have to And then of course the big challenge for the government is cost of power. Well, this is what I think. That's the entirety of the story. Frankly, we'll get to it. Surely, let's get to break it open.
01:24:59
Speaker 3: Well, yesterday we brought you the story of poor old Lauren, who's a Housing Trust resident who was forced to live in a meth house where she and her young son and also her mum who came to visit, all took ill. Her mum had to have a steroid treatment as a result of being exposed to the residual chemicals from the meth in this home.
01:25:19
Speaker 2: Well, how's this.
01:25:21
Speaker 3: We're going to keep working on these housing trust stories because the rate at which people are receiving help, receiving assistance, receiving either alternative accommodation or a proper repair job when things go wrong is underscored by this next story. We're joined now by Barry Heffernan, who is a veteran's advocate. He does a lot of great work with men and women who have served in Vietnam and in other conflicts.
01:25:49
Speaker 2: Now, Barry has a friend who's a tenant in.
01:25:53
Speaker 3: Parkside at what is a particularly notorious housing trust Property Housing Housing Trust, a set of properties where a staggering sixteen months ago, this poor fellow's toilet literally exploded. It exploded, and you know what went everywhere, covering the walls. Well, the cleanup job has been so shoddy that this poor tenant has been suffering medical problems. My understanding is that he's got letters from four different doctors. The filthy mess has not been cleaned up properly, and this poor bugger is still stuck living there. Barry's on the line now, Barry, good morning. I just couldn't believe this story, mate, when you contacted me yesterday, So walkers through what actually happened.
01:26:42
Speaker 5: Good morning, David morning.
01:26:43
Speaker 20: Well look, thanks for this mate. After I heard that story yesterday about the lady, I thought, you know, I'm not trying to match it. But this blake is a veteran. He obviously has some mental health issues as well, this is not helping. But as you said, sixteen months ago, the toilet exploded and effluent went everywhere, and it's just they did a senate I forget what the title is, but it's a sanitizing cleanup or something like that. But the problem is there's still affluent around the place, on the skirting boards and so on. And although the staff are pretty good with housing trust, the whole situation has been handled deplorably. This Blake has got four and I've got copies of them, four letters from different doctors saying he shouldn't be there. But he's always crook, He's always got an infection or something like that, and it is affecting his mental health issues. But sixteen months, I think, you know, it's probably about fifteen months too long, And you know, you just can't. I just can't come to terms with how people can leave somebody in a situation like that. But you know, it's out in the backyard, it's everywhere he goes in the house. You know, he can sort of smell or sea or whatever the affluent. And it's just after I heard you Blake's yesterday, I thought, I just can't not I just can't hold back any longer. He needs to go somewhere. He's continually at doctors trying to get some sort of support, and he's rung that. He's told me that he's rung excuse me, he's rung the Minister's office a number of times, but that apparently hasn't hasn't gone anywhere. And you know, I sort of yesterday I thought, this is the end of the game. I've got to do something, and I wonder how many others are in similar situations. Absolutely, if the Housing Trust was a private company, they'd have been they'd have gone through ages ago because the shareholders, who are the bloody tenants, would have voted him out.
01:28:52
Speaker 5: That's as similars that.
01:28:53
Speaker 3: You know, Well, what worries me, Barry, is that, like I mentioned obviously, we spoke to Lauren yesterday. Her case is now being tended to after some strong public scrutiny, and we had the Minister on the show yesterday.
01:29:06
Speaker 2: I mentioned the case of Daniel in Nova Gardens. You're on now going into bat for this poor blake. But you do wonder what about the people who live in public housing who have to deal with this stuff because they've got no media connections. They don't, they don't listen to talk back, they don't know how to contact anyone to make some noise. I how many people are just putting up with this because there's no attention on it. It's amazing.
01:29:32
Speaker 20: Well, David, you and I when we spoke yesterday, I mentioned Stove Court, which is a cross Fullerton Road and down a bit. I mean, I've got a couple of veterans there who really struggle, and I've got another one. I've got a couple more around the place who are in similar situations. Not as dire as our bloke in Blith Street, but it's there, and I just can't believe that that. I mean, they're paying their rent. It's not as though they're not paying their rent.
01:30:00
Speaker 5: Yeah, they deserve better.
01:30:02
Speaker 20: They just deserve better.
01:30:03
Speaker 2: One hundred percent they do.
01:30:04
Speaker 3: Barry, Well, we're glad you've raised it, mate, and we'll take it up with the with the Housing Trust and that the Housing Minister's office. Thank you for raising at Barry. Barry Haffing in veteran advocate joining us today.
01:30:16
Speaker 2: Just heard from the year Housing Minister's office. Apparently they're gonn to elevate it to an emergency and deal with it in the next couple of weeks. Eight double two three do they haven't contacted us? Eight double two three double a double or Texas on the police home care text lines two four zero eight thirty ninety five. That's awful. That story just you just feel like you scratch the surface with these stories, do don't you? But how many dead beats?
01:30:38
Speaker 3: Is like this was the thing with Nava Gardens where their houses that were people were in there actually selling drugs.
01:30:44
Speaker 2: They are actually selling drugs from their houses. They just kick them out, kick them out.
01:30:49
Speaker 3: The people who show that they've got no respect for publicly funded property. You know, if they're going to talk about, oh it's hard to find new accommodation, we just turn them out. When people say, well, what are they going to do, well, that's the bloody problem. You know, people like Barrye's mate should be living in a proper house. Well, he's a Vietnam veteran, he served his country. Generally go down stains all over the wall.
01:31:11
Speaker 2: That's just terrific. But the argument generally goes, if you kick these people out, they might you know, they may turn to a life of crime to sustain themselves because they won't have accommodation. Well, I think if you're using your public housing as a drug dend to begin with like you're already doing damage to society. I'm not sure. I'm not sure we should be concerned necessarily that it somehow might get even worse. It might get even worse. I might start selling even more meth. It's just it's a ludicrous argument.
01:31:37
Speaker 1: David Penberthy and World Goodings five double a breakfast.
01:31:41
Speaker 2: Twenty minutes after right, it's got another text about surely not another kangaroo on the loose in suburban Adelaide. This time the persons sex is saying, kangaro on the tram tracks on the way to the city, coming up towards Granville Road. So I wonder if anyone else has seen the kangaro on the loose this morning? Eight double two three double O, double O texas on the place. The same care text line yesterday was in Nova Gardens. Maybe it's the same one bounding around suburban Adelaide. Let us know. Any more information would be appreciated. When you're saying a kangaroo just bound to past us on Lee Street and Wayville, what's your neck of the word about that. I've never seen a kangaroo Wayville really on the on the loose at the moment, and it does seem that way. Let us know if you've got further information on what we don't know, if this is separate incidents.
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Speaker 1: This.
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Speaker 2: Save at this point time, just this publicity hound kangaroo, random recidivus kangaroo. All right, let's talk Australian Made. Ben Lazarro's the Australian Made CEO. We ended the program yesterday talking about some polling that was done about buying Australian made and what it reinforced was that this is a complicated issue. There is a huge appetite for Australians to purchase and consume Australian made products. There is little to no appetite to pay significantly or marginally more to consume them. Ben Lazarro joins us on five double a Breakfast. Ben, this feels like the heart of the conundrum for supporting local There is a desire to do so, but there is a disconnect between that desire and either people's capacity or willingness to do so.
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Speaker 25: Yeah, good morning, Yeah, that can be the case where our research is telling a few different things It certainly aligns with the fact that Ozsie's want to support other Australians. They are willing to spend a little bit more, as you pointed out. But the idea that it's hard to identify Aussie products, that's a little bit in conflict with what we find. We find that the Aussie Made logo is a perfect way to identify genuine Ausie products. I think it's more about as consumers, we get a lot of information thrown at us, whether we're online or in store at point of sale, so we're pretty time for when we're doing our shopping. I think that plays role. That's what a lot of our research tells us.
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Speaker 3: Part of the research that I had yesterday Ben when news Court Papers launched this campaign, and we've been saying it's a it's a noble campaign, but I also think that it's fraught because one of the questions that people were asked was do you want to buy Australian? Overwhelmingly yes, but then the question how much more are you prepared to pay? The answer for most people was five to ten percent more. Now, if you look at Temu or Shine Like, things aren't five to ten percent cheaper, they're often you know, eighty ninety percent cheaper. So how do we compete with the sort of crap purveyors and the cut price people from China When public sentiment at mid of time, when we've had huge interest rate increases, housing's never been more unaffordable and power bills have never been more unaffordable, which affects both consumption and production of products in Australia.
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Speaker 2: Like it's a really really good point.
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Speaker 18: It's a good point.
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Speaker 25: It says it comes down to education, something we do here in Australia made as well. There's a reason when you've got such a price differential on competing products, as you guys know, there's a reason for that. And so we're pretty lucky here in Australia. We pay people well, we treat people well in the workforce, and you've got to ask those questions when you're buying something that is, you know, a magnitude cheaper than what you would buy it's for in Australia, there is some reasons behind that, and I think we've got to ask ourselves and questions about what are we comfortable with when we're making those purchasing decisions. When you buy Austraian you get products made to some of the highest quality and safety standards. You're keeping people in jobs, you're creating new jobs, and you're knowing that those people that are working here Australia being treated accordingly. And I think that sometimes get lost, as you know when people under pressure, right from cost pressure. So it's not easy, but I think we need to just stop and think about the impact of our purchasing decisions.
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Speaker 3: But if we untangle it, and we were alluding to this yesterday, I mean, is there an endpoint where we I'll take Country Road as an example. If a country like if a company like Country Road needs to sign up to the Anti Slavery Act, it needs to have environmental social governments principles observed involving things like carbon emissions and so forth, the sourcing of its materials. Is there a view within business that the teens of this world should be sold If you're not satisfying those criteria, you can't sell your stuff in Australia.
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Speaker 25: Yeah, Well that would be a significant shift, wouldn't it, And not only here in Australia but globally. In theory, I don't think you get too many people arguing with you around that in practice, I can imagine they'd be very hard to execute. But what you're suggesting, I think is reasonable that we have to comply with so many measures. Yet what's the barrier if you don't comply with these measures? We've got to start putting it, I guess in some deterrens to say, well, you can't access this market unless you're adhering to the same ideals that a lot of other businesses are satisfying.
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Speaker 3: It fun Then, of course the other barrier is you got to tell ten million on Australia is not allowed by four dollar T shirts anymore.
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Speaker 25: Well, that's right, that's something that's the lived experience here in Australian made. Of course, when we do all our promotions and think by that we are everything we do is Australian made. And of course the cost of doing business for our organization and for our manufacturers who you know, walk the walk and talk the talk, is exactly why you've articulated there as well. Everything we do is Australian made. And I'm pleased to report though that while sometimes there is a cost implication, sometimes Aussie prices are a little bit more expensive, it's not always the case. It just depends on the sector that you're in. You know, we're pretty lucky here in Australia access to some of the greatest fresh produce for vegetables and in the world, and we get access to those more read than we might in other countries. So I guess there's a little bit of swings roundabouts there too.
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Speaker 2: Is there are we doing enough ben or is there scope to do more in the world of digital shopping, because I think the Australia Made stick is prominent and does a great job identifying Australia made products when you're holding it in your hands. I do see in some places a shop online they'll put it prominently, but it doesn't seem to be uniform with regard to you know, you can do more digitally, you can put it right in people's faces if we mandate it.
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Speaker 25: Yeah, we absolutely encourage the businesses that use the logo and the retailers in particular to make sure that the brand is front and center. Strains are telling the retails and the brands that they want Australian products. Make sure you're telling them, whether, as you say, whether it's a point of sale in store or on the e commerce platforms. Right up front, if a tie in the decision making criteria consumers, it's in everyone's interest that it's very prominent on product and at point.
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Speaker 2: And stuff that's their discretion though there's nothing that requires them to do that.
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Speaker 7: That's at their discretion.
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Speaker 25: Yes on, So you'll see some of the retails are really good about harving normspring mind very positive around the Australian made logo in their stores around their bedding and mattress work in particular, and the soupermarkets are getting better and better at it as well, particularly on their e commerce facilities. So always working with the retails to make sure that oh, these are making informed decisions.
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Speaker 3: Hey Ben, when we buy stuff off TENA, when we collectively I've never used it myself, But.
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Speaker 2: Is the gest on those.
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Speaker 25: Products That is a really good question. I believe there would be on the majority of those, but I would be asking someone more embedded in that space. But you do raise a good point around taxation and where our money is going because when you buy us products, for the most part, you know you're keeping people employed here a local businesses and all the knock on effects because they need service providers those businesses. So you make a good point, making sure that we're trying to keep money and economic activity I think more broadly here in Australia.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, well, I guess the one thing that definitely doesn't happen is if you're buying stuff off TIMMA, you're not you know, you're not getting it from someone who's paying payroll tax in Australia. Just as one part of the balancing act in all of this. You could talk all day about this, couldn't you have been? It's a huge area and the good on you for having a crack at getting people to start thinking more patriotically when they're.
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Speaker 2: At the I think we all want this to work. Yeah, we do. Like everyone's working constructively on it. You do. You do have to pay GST, a temill issue at the bottom of their receipt and estimate and estimated GST. I'm just looking on the tax Office website and they're a fish language. Many of that.
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Speaker 3: Your highly inflammable Valentine's Day lingerie goes up from six dollars to six dollars sixty before you find out that you can't actually fuse into it.
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Speaker 2: So gsd applus to sales made by businesses outside Australia to Australian consumers who purchase imported services, digital services, digital products. So maybe not.
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Speaker 3: Let me check that out, care, I thought Jerry Harvey had been banging on about it for years, saying that he thought that all the imports should attract the GST.
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Speaker 2: We need clarity on this. Yeah, we need to get to the will give us a news break and we'll come back with more. Hey, in a moment, Tony Simon's the general manager of the Highway, is going to join us on the story that has ignited so much discussion this morning. When is enough enough when it comes to the catch and release approach to dealing with people who are assaulting our frontline service workers.
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Speaker 1: David Penberthy and World Goodings five Double A Breakfast.
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Speaker 2: Twenty one to nine. We're going to revisit our lead story of the morning in just a moment. First, we do some playe the same care texts if you have been coming through on zero before zero eight thirty ninety five.
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Speaker 3: Actually, the first one I want to do didn't come through on the text line. It came through from the Liberal candidate for Only Rosalie Rotolo, who sent me a photo where she was actually wild door knocking. She went to that Housing Trust block in Parkside and actually met the.
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Speaker 2: Very veteran who we were talking about who was the subject of today's breaking at eight And on the day that she went there, there was a problem with his house where.
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Speaker 3: He had a blocked sink, and in its wisdom, the housing Trust sent an electrician round have a look at it.
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Speaker 1: What.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so you know, I don't know what it was blocked with, you know, live live cables. If all these decisions have been made by AI, you'd say the technology wasn't ready. But I think in their case, I think it might be ready to take over.
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Speaker 3: It couldn't be, It couldn't be doing a worse job. I think people on the text line are starting to just take the un know what out of the whole kangaroo spotting thing. You think we're getting some false Someone said they just saw one on the run Balhannah ordering an armored latte. Okay, should we look into that from danieling glynd not a breaking it out?
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Speaker 2: No, I don't think so. All right, let's have a listen to Sergeant Peter Williams, who part of the police report at six forty This morning. We chat with the meachin every morning at that time. If you a later listening to the program, and sometimes we just shake our heads in disbelief. AT's what comes through. And unfortunately this was occasion where we'll we're sick of these stories.
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Speaker 9: As were called to the bottle shop on the corner of Marion Road and areazak Kila and Clinton ask for reports of a large group of kids who were causing trouble. Pot arrival, staff told police that two female es had allegedly tried to steal alcohol. When they were confronted by security, they left, but they decided to return with a group of about a dozen use age between ten and seventeen. A short time later. These kids were out to cause chaos and began throwing rocks, smashing windows. One use held a metal star dropper at the staff and punched stuff bender several times.
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Speaker 2: To the faith, it's a pattern of behavior that speaks to the understanding that these perpetrators have that they will get away with it. They will get away with it. The consequences are not so great as to change behavior. A long way from that, what was that message you got a little bit earlier from someone who what the extraordinary situation where they're basically taking they shut the shop.
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Speaker 3: They've got a security camera that's pointed at the bus stop near their pub when they get off the bus.
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Speaker 2: We closed the big roller doors and we just shut the shop. Another one here that's like failed state stuff, that's Central American government's fallen over. Yeah, yeah, totally, totally. It's what you do in porter prints. Yeah, not in Adelaide.
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Speaker 3: Another one here, All front facing bottles of spirits at our pub are now filled with cold tea. There was seriously what would have been a two thousand dollars hall last week had actual actually two real bottles in it. The rest was just water or cold tea. More importantly, though, Tony Simon's is dealing with the aftermath of last night's attack. He's the general manager of the Highway Great pub.
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Speaker 2: We love it, Tony. Good morning and thank you for joining us. Mate. Firstly, and most importantly, how are your staff.
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Speaker 24: Morning, boys? Thanks for your call. Staff are okay? Physically, I fear there's a bit of fallout. Mentally, had a couple of calls from different staff this morning when to catch up later today, which will go. But unfortunately for some of these staff members. It's not the first time that's happened, and some of these guys have been working bottle shops for a number of years and I've had to deal with it continuously, which is rather sad.
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Speaker 3: Do you feel tony like every morning you wake up and you haven't got a text or a call overnight that it's a good morning.
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Speaker 24: It's getting to that, not just have the Highway, but some of our other venues as well, where the public become known to some of our staff. You see them walking across the road and you know there's going to be a problem, And that is so unfair on our staff that, you know, who can reasonably expect to come to work and work a four hour or six hour and eight hour shift in a bottle shop and have the right to feel safe, And that's just not the case right now, particularly for night stuff. But I can tell you also, it's not limited tonight. It doesn't matter what we do, if we close early, or what precautions we take. It can happen any time of the day, all night.
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Speaker 17: So the problems be.
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Speaker 3: Do you feel like you guys are getting the backup you need from the criminal justice system. I mean, did you see that letter Peter Hurley, the owner of the and the Marion and the Tomsley.
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Speaker 2: God rested Soul other pubs.
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Speaker 3: The handling of that case where they had this Blake bangor rights for attacking three staff at the Arquabar, and he got a fully suspended tense.
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Speaker 24: And I think their insurance claim come to eighty grand or something, so yeah, you know they'd have a fairly healthy excess. So let's say it's cost him twenty grand and the Paul Blake gets led off and sent away saying you're not a bad fellow. I mean, it's just just rubbish and to be there, and it's important I make this point. The guys from Saphole are doing a wonderful job. They were fantastic last night. They rolled up on mass pretty quickly and pursued these teenagers and did a riffing job. But I can tell you from past experience, not here of the Highway, but at some of their other than he's where young kids. It's Thurday and twelve and thirteen and who we had continually continuous problems with. And the coffers told me at the time that some of these kids have been arrested over two hundred times and let off two hundred times because of a system doesn't allow anything. They happened to them and the kids know.
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Speaker 2: Have you, Tony, you would have just heard David read out a couple of texts from publicans and small business owners who have gone to extraordinary lengths to defend their business, either by replacing the alcohol and bottles with a cheaper substance or doing things like having security cameras pointed at the bus stop so they can shut the store when they see troublemakers come up. Is there anything you've set around and contemplated, even if you haven't followed through with that, you've thought extraordinary measures to try and keep your staff safe.
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Speaker 24: Well, we pondered it all the time, and I mean we've started bringing security in earlier. But at the end of the day, you have a security guard here and there's ten kids, So that's not the answer clearly. The answer clearly is I mean a number of years ago at one of our other venues, I closed the venue the bottle shop early earlier in the week because it was just getting out of control. But the kids work it out and they come in early, even in daylight, So that's not the answer either. The problem is the kids know that short of you know, almost killing someone, that they're going to get out straight away. And they taught our stuff with the accusations like that while it was happening. There's nothing you can do.
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Speaker 17: You can't put me.
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Speaker 24: And unfortunately, once again one our other venues, when I started closing our bottle shop early, the kids started walking into the front bar of the venue and straight behind the bar and grabbing the stuff and pelting our staff with ud elkens from behind the bar because the bottle shop was closed early. So it's just so brazen. I feel, you know, very sorry for the rank and viral saphold staff who have to deal with the same kids week in week out, and the kids taunt them and say there's nothing to do because they know how the system works. So where to get serious? I mean, too many nice people want to say there's a better way of dealing with these kids, and the evidence says this, and studies show that, Well, what about bringing some of their kids in, some of their young adult children, and letting them work a couple of bottles offices in some of our hotels and see how they feel about it. I can tell you they change straight away, because I've got you know, a lot of eight aen nineteen twenty year old staff up to sort of forty and fifty years of age who should be able to come to work and should be able to feel safe in their workplace, and they don't right now because the kids are work in the system. The kids understand that they're untouchable.
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Speaker 13: It's utterly ridiculous.
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Speaker 2: It needs, it needs a total rethink. Tony, you could not have put the case any better mate. Thank you.
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Speaker 3: Tony Simon's operations manager of Parmer Hospitality Group. Josh Peak is the secretary of the shopping's union, the SDA, whose members are in the front line for all of this. Josh, you heard Toney's comments there. You're familiar with the circumstances overnight. It is sadly one of many of these incidents that have happened. What do you think can be done? What more needs to be done?
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Speaker 26: I will firstly just a shocking incident overnight, and my thoughts go to those workers like and no one should be rocking up to work thinking that this is going to happen and to go to work and experience. And we know that bottle shops are particular target. Bottle shops been targeted before with them really violence incidents, and to see it happen again is simply appalling, and you know, it's why we've been calling for tougher penalties. That's why we've been calling for jail time. That's why we've been calling for tough action non perpetrators that do this sort of thing because it's not good enough and we need to send a really strong message to the community that retail workers are not to be abused and they're not to be assaulted whilst doing their their job. You know, we called the aggravated assault laws. We won those aggravated assault laws, but it really now is over to the courts to be enforcing them and making sure that there isn't an idea amongst perpetrators in the community that they can go in and get away with doing this sort of thing.
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Speaker 11: It's just appalling.
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Speaker 26: It's also why we're calling for proper banning orders to be brought in workplace protection orders. Tony said before that so often they see people come across the road and they know they're going to cause trouble. Well, we should have the ability in South Australia to properly ban those people, so even them stepping foot into the shops is a criminal offense. We don't have that now. Our criminal trespass laws last twenty four hours. That means you can ban someone. They can rock up twenty four hours and one minute later and there's nothing the shopkeeper can do about it. That's crazy. We need to fix that. The government's promised to fix it, and we're really keen to see that the legislation path. But it's not good it's not good enough.
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Speaker 17: We need to tougher.
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Speaker 26: Measures, and that's exactly what the union's been calling for.
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Speaker 3: I reckon everything you guys are asking for. I mean, just so our listeners don't know, Josh, you are totally plugged in politically. I mean you are the head of the Shoppies Union, the union where Peter Mallenowsk has got his start. It's about time the right faction of the Labor Party stood up to all of the people who go, well, this is complicated, and there might be indigenous issues here, or there might be dislocation issues for people who've arrived from overseas, or there might be issues of socioeconomic deprivation for white kids from the wrong side of the tracks who are part of this too. We need this whole culture of excuse making to stop dating when it's got to the point where as Tony said, people have been like let off two hundred times. The sort of namby pamby approach has trained these young people into knowing that they can get away with it.
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Speaker 2: So why are all the things the SDA is calling for not being enacted upon as a matter of urgency by a premiere who was put there through the support of the retail union.
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Speaker 26: Well, I think it's a couple of things. I mean, I don't suggest for any point that it's not worth tackling those really deep social issues. I mean, some of those things that you said before absolutely need to be dealt with been a part of the solution. I mean, we have to ask ourselves why they're ten year olds and fourteen year olds out on the streets without supervision on a school night. I mean, what is going on going on? Have they been returned into proper care this morning after being arrested? I mean, these are these are these are serious questions that go far beyond you know, you know, simply you crime, but also go to the very nature in which young people are being brought up in our society, and you know, I think you can do both things. You can tackle the causes of crime, but you can be tough on crime as as as well, and that's certainly what our position is, and we have been successful in securing tougher penalties. I'm very confident we're going to be successful in getting workplace protection orders broad brought in. But you know, Tony and yourself have us articulated this is a system wide issue, and you know, from our point of view, we can put all the penalties into the lords that we like, but it really is on the criminal justice system to take the appropriate steps to say if someone is being arrested doing the wrong thing, that the penalties are are there and the course should take them seriously.
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Speaker 2: Josh Beek, the secretary of the Shoppies Union, thank you for your time this morning.
01:56:09
Speaker 1: David Penberthy and Will Goodings five double a breakfast.
01:56:13
Speaker 2: Four minutes to nine. Sanity has prevailed some breaking news. Stephen Vanderveld, the rapist volleyballer from the Netherlands, will not be entering Australia to compete in a tournament here in Adelaide next month. On the fourteenth of November, News Limited reporting that following a review of the case, he has been informed that his visa will be denied. I can't imagine that was a long meeting. I can't just count beloved he was allowed to compete at the Olympics. You know what, In some way, it kind of feels like that is related to the thing we've been talking about all morning, doesn't it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I still I wish I hadn't watched it, and I reckon it every one of our listeners who'd watched it will feel.
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Speaker 2: The same way.
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Speaker 3: But last night's four Corners one of the most galling aspects of it. And I say this deliberately in the context of Troy Bell getting five years for stealing tiny amounts of money off a large group of people in the most painless act of theft ever, sticking money into his offset account and living off the interests, living high on the hog. Deserves to be punished, don't get me wrong, But five years some of the sentences last night for people who have been caught doing the most unspeakable and disgusting things in childcare, deliberately targeting that sector, knowing that you know, in the same way fisherman go to all the hotspots in the ocean where there's the most fish, which was the analogy and expert used last night. Just beyond comprehension that the disparity between the sentences. I reckon, if we want to create some spaces in the prisons, if the prisons are too crowded, let's not let the guy out early on home detention who almost killed Ben Hyde. Why don't we let Troy Bell out on home detention today? Because what threat does he post to any kid in childcare? What threat does he post to anyone on the roads? What threat does he post to any of the staff who work in a bottle shop at the highway?
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Speaker 1: In?
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Speaker 2: None? None?
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Speaker 3: The whole thing is a complete fast and frankly, I reckon if the Premier doesn't doesn't have to do it today, he might have other stuff on. We need a top down response to this because the last forty five minutes hour and forty five minutes since we caught up with Pete at six forty five from Sapole has shown we don't want our city to look like Melbourne. There are things that can be done. There's a whole bunch of things Josh Peek just said that can be done, that should be done, that should have already been done. So let's actually get some top down leadership on this to protect our retail workers and to mandate some sense into the justice system a farce.
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Speaker 2: We will continue to pursue that story tomorrow morning and throughout the year, as if few have said, should be an issue that will lead up to next year's state elections. Stick around. Graham Goodings is coming up after nine o'clock. We'll catch you tomorrow morning from six bounce Cruci