Destiny: Von Braschler, Programming your Lucid Dreams

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Welcome to Destiny.
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Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning. You know, I love
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my phone and I love the Internet. I can't get
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enough of TikTok and these other streaming formats. And they're
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time They're very time consuming. You can watch the YouTube
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or TikTok for hours. I'll sit in front of the
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my phone for hours just watching the latest postings. And
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you know, I mean, I have my own postings for
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Earth ancients, but what is going on with that? It's very,
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very time consuming. And I got to tell you, I
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think it's beginning to affect people because people.
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Don't dream anymore.
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And this is really critical factor mental health. If you
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don't have good dreaming consciousness, if you're not able to
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sleep long enough and get deep sleep rem sleep rapidi
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move is sleep, then your ability to go deep into
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your dreams is really compromise. Hey, this is Cliff, your
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host of Destiny, and this week we're talking about lucid
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dreams and the ability to dream in a level where
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you are processing your day, you are looking to the past,
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you're looking to the future, and you are coming up
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with problem solving dreams that you can use in your
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current reality and for a number of years I've had
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a dream journal where I am able to write down
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dreams that I had and shift into deeper dreams. But
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I am not one to do lucid dreaming. And this
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is something that's very critically important. And lucid dreams require
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a deeper level of rest, and I don't think I
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am quite ready for for lucid dreams yet. But I
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will say this in our guest program, who is a
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new book, will talk about techniques where you can actually
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rest during the day and as you're resting, you're shifting
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into that deeper level that where the lucid dreams actually
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began to unfold. The other thing that is of great
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interest to me is that today we talk about our
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ancestors dreams and ancient people two thousand plus years ago,
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the Babylonians and the Egyptians were able to dream and
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actually chronicle their dreams. In fact, in some cases the
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dreams were used as prophecy for events that were coming,
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for personal events and so on. It also crosses over
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into the indigenous side of things. Dream dreams were used
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as forms of vision quests. You want to to a dream,
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and because they didn't have the interference of all this WiFi.
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I think people in past generations were able to sell
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into the possibilities of having dreams and actually dreams that
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were lucid dreams. And this is what we're trying to
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talk about today, is getting into the state where you're
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having hyper hyper consciousness dreams, where they're so real it's
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like you're actually living in a reality. And some people
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think that lucid dreaming actually is a shifting into a
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higher reality, not necessarily a higher reality, but a higher
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level of consciousness that you can actually unfold. So we're
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gonna look at a number of aspects of dreaming today
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and give you step by step guidance of walking into
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and shifting into higher levels of dreams. So today we're
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talking about dreams and the program is programming your lucid dreams.
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And my guest is von Breshner. The Earth Ancients Guatemala
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there is so much that we can do when.
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We have access see combining, you know, the left and
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That's Chatnoogle Whiskey dot com. I have said I made
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lucid dreaming now for over twenty years and have found
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it fascinating. I can't say I'm an expert at lucid dreaming,
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but today we have an expert. And the reason why
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we're having the return of our guest is that he's
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written a very very not only a very very good book,
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but he actually touches some of the ancient versions of
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lucid dreaming and we're going to hear all about it today.
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My guess, my returning guest, is von Braschmeller, and he
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is a I mean not only he's an author, but
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he's written in a couple of very good books. The
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book we're talking about today is called Programming your Lucid Dreams,
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how to self direct dreams to achieve your goals and
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access hidden knowledge and lucid dreaming, and we'll learn more about.
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To say, lucid dreaming is a bit more challenging than
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simple dreaming, because when you're lucid dreaming, it's almost like
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you're in a form with reality. And like I mentioned before,
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I've done regular dreams and done dream journaling, but lucid
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dreams are a different animal. And this is why we
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have vn On so hey, welcome to Destiny.
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How you doing good?
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Thank you, Cliff, It's good to be back with you.
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All right, Vin, let's talk real quickly. What is lucid
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dreaming over simple basic dreaming? Why is it lucid dreaming
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so unique?
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Well, there's a long history of what we call dream work,
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and this is serious streaming. This is dreaming in reality
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and not simply playing back memories that you filed away
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in your mind and you keep sifting through them. The
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simple definition is that you're consciously aware of being in
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the dream. Furthermore, you're consciously aware in the dream so
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that you can react an act in the dream, as
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an act of participant. In short, it's a learning experience.
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And my approach to lucid dreaming, since I first had
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one in nineteen eighty and long to have more, was
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to what was to set up dreams as vehicles for
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learning and exploring and reaching new levels of conscious awareness.
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So I think the fact that you're consciously aware in
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your dream and that you're empowered in your dream, that's
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an important aspect because along with consciousness goes empowerment and awareness.
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So can you tell us or do you remember that
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first lucid dream that you had, because you know, something
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must have happened, either you were doing a practice, or
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you had a trauma, or you were taking some psychedelics.
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I've never done that, and I never encouraged anybody to
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take that short approach to what we'll call.
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Your vision questing.
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Yeah, it is just a very short road, and it
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can be a misleading road, as.
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You mean psychedelics taking yes, yes, as any of the great.
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Masters in the East would tell you, Yeah, you could
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do that, but it's like better to throw them in
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the river, you know, because they're not trustworthy. So anyway,
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my first experience that I remember it like it was
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yesterday in a sense. It was was in the winter
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of nineteen eighty and I was snowed in on Mount Hood.
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I might have said this on your show before, but
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I'll get to the point. I was snowed in and
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I had no power, I had no heat, I had
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no plumbing. It was all frozen. I had no food.
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My car was lost. I couldn't find it. I was
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poking around with a long broom handle. I was totally
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snowed in, and I said, you know what, that's okay,
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I'll just start reading and meditating. And after a long
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day of meditating and reading, and most of my books
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were Eastern spiritual science, but not entirely, A lot of
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were shamanic, I flopped back on my bed and I
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hit a vertebrae, a high vertebrae. I won't say which one,
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or everybody will try to do this because this does
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actually trip you out.
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And I was off in a lucid dream.
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Now I know it was a lucid dream and not
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just an unconscious mind floating, because it was I was
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consciously aware.
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In the dream.
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I saw myself lying on the bed. I could accurately
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see in detail everything below me that was physical. I, however,
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was not physical. I was in a non physical energy
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body floating above the bed.
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Higher and higher.
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And I said, how can I go? And I said,
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this is great. I've heard of this, I said, I've
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read about this. So I start floating and I said,
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can I go through the roof?
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Indeed? I could?
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Could I go above the tree line? Indeed I could?
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Could I go higher than the hundred foot fir trees
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in front? Because I lived on mountain in Oregon?
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And I could?
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And I looked down and everything got dark and small,
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and I thought, this is great, but I don't know
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where I'm going. I don't know how to get there,
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and I don't know how to react when I get there,
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so I'd better go back. I hope I can go back.
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And I said, how do I go back? And I
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swear to God, Cliff, I thought of Dorothy and the
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Wizard of Oz. I didn't click my ruby red slippers,
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but I said, I thought, there's no place like home.
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And I was instantly back in my body, which has
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always told me you can always go back to your
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physical body because you're karmically, energetically magnetically connected to your body,
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and so yeah, you just think back to your body,
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in your back, there's no worry. So after that I
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started to read really in great detail all of my
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books on yoga, and I thought, how do the great
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masters leave their body? How do they have these profound dreams?
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And I found out it.
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Wasn't just them, It went back thousands of years. I
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found out there were like three dozen references in the
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King James Bible, Old Testament and New Testament where people
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would have profound dreams. These were vivid dreams, colorful dreams,
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detailed dreams, impactful, meaningful, powerful dreams of significance, and they
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weren't just memories. Now a common dream is just a
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memory that you can't shake out of you your head,
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and you can't get that song out of your head,
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and it's because your body really isn't but the sleep,
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and you're just kind of playing the old tunes over
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and over in your head. And you couldn't resolve these
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questions when you were wide awake. Now that you're half asleep, well,
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it's even worse. So these are often called nightmares or
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night sweat dreams. Common dreams sometimes interesting, usually perplexing and troublesome.
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But I had this wonderful dream, and I thought to myself,
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how on earth do people ever return to a dream?
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And how do they how do they expand on the
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dream and continue it once they've returned to it? And
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I started reading Deep, Deep, Deep into it, and I dream,
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I dreamed, I sort of like a dream. I started
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reading that there was a great interest in early yoga
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and consciousness training. In fact, you might consider all of
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yoga consciousness training on three levels body, mind, and spirit.
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So you look at the my favorite book, the Yoga
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Sutras of Patanjuli. It is clearly outlined in three steps body, uh,
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spirit and mind, and I think mind mind a second,
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and spirits last. And in short, it trained you how
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to achieve postures and which we know is hatha yoga,
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which most people think is the way to get fit
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and stretch.
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But it's more than that.
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It's preparing yourself. And then you're preparing yourself. Cousinata said
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the same thing, prepare the physical for the outward journey.
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the greater The greater journey is metaphysical and and this
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is kind of the second part of the book. And
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then if you want to go all the way through
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all those hundreds and hundreds of pages of you know,
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which are hundreds of years old, then you get to
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the last part, which is magical. And that's when I
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hit the old mind. Because there are people who practice
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yoga training to the point where and this is kind
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of the area of the school of Raja Yoga where the
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Samadi mystics begin to train their young ones how to
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have profound experiences and journey beyond what we would say
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is is.
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My time here? And now you know?
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So they the first thing they will teach the Samadi
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students is how to do lucid dreaming. And when they
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get really good at lucid dreaming, then they'll they'll take
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them deeper down the path of yoga training so they
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can have great what what in some in and and
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Shamanism will here described as the outer journey or the
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vision quest. It involves getting into an altered state of consciousness. Uh,
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that's why meditation works it very well. But I found
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that for many people it's hard to meditate deep enough
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to get into this what we call lucid dream state.
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because you know it's very similar. You know, you can
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train the body to go to sleep, bring the mind
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to go to sleep, and bring forward to your inner consciousness.
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So when I started studying about the Samadi experience and
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the students in the East, I was fascinated because there
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was a huge tsunami that hit southern India and northern
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they worried the Samadi masters. They worried about their young
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novices that they had put into lucid dreams. Now they
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would they would set them off on their dreams in
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the in the advanced students, while novices would go so
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deep into a lucid dream that they would stay there
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a long time and it was hard to bring them out.
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would wait for them to just come out.
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I want to talk a little bit about the early
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part of your book where you describe how the Babylonians
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and the Egyptians actually recorded their dreams. How do we
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know that those dreams are lucid dreams? Was the description
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just incredibly detailed?
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Is this how you incredibly yeah, incredibly detailed. You know,
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these people, the Babylonians and Assyrians, they were extremely good
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at keeping tablet records of what they did. Furthermore, a
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lot of the dreams were have been trans transferred to
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the Christian Bible. We know that there were Babylonian kings
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that would would have dreams and they would be interpreted
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at the time. I think I have an example here
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of Joseph who Joseph actually interpreted a dream.
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Babylonians would have dreams and and and and these are
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often reported in it's far back in the bibleist genesis
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that the idea that the god or or or a messenger,
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perhaps an angel would come and speak to them. So
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our earliest records, in fact, do come from ancient Babylonia.
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Yeah, you mentioned Giglamesh. One give us an example if
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you can, of one of his lucid dreams that perhaps
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turned into a prophecy.
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So the adventures of Gilgamesh, who had more fun, well,
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what a daring life.
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Story of Gilgamesh is is is like a dream diary.
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He he recorded his dreams and they're told like, uh,
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you know the Arabian nights. Uh he he there were
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dreams of of building things and adventures and things that
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he would see, the temples that would be built.
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Directions.
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It's almost like in in in in in in our
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corner of the world. Uh, a Native American Shamans who
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would have visions and would report this to the people.
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You know, it was like it was yes, it was
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his personal dream, but they were like dreams of importance
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to the community, like building a temple is a good example.
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Do you think that Giggle Mesh and these other examples
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were actually able to see in the future. Yeah, and
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so they were tracking events and activities that were far
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ahead of time.
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we go in for some reason, after you know, more
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than five thousand years of dream work with lucid dreaming,
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we don't have a lot of respect in our culture
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for lucid dreaming. And people will have prophetic dreams and
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they'll say I had a dream of the future. I
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dream what was going to happen in the future, and
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they will laugh and it would be like amusing, you know,
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But then when they come true, you know, we see
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that this is happening. Yet today that people are going
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apparently into the future and seeing what is going to
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take place, coming back and reporting on it. So, yes,
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this is one interesting thing about lucid dreaming. There is
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no there is no fixed time. You can go back
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in the past and into the future.
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I want you to talk a little bit about Native
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Indigenous people because it's almost like they are raised to
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induce lucid dreaming rather than just dreaming. It's like you
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have to have it's like part of a lifestyle. They
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are trained to move into that lucid state, and so
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they can begin having their own visions, their own as
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you call it, ahead of time, Yequesse.
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Yeah, these people are really chosen. They're special people. It
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just between you and me, Cliff. It kind of bothers
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me today that people are getting certified to be urban shamans.
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I think it's it's interesting that a person could study this.
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I mean, I think it's fascinating and I've certainly tried
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to study it, but I don't claim to be a shaman.
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I would never do that because these people were were
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often selected not just who they were, their their their birth,
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in their in their in their bloodline, but they often
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were people who were lame. The idea of the wounded
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healer makes a good representative for the people.
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The wounded healer is ideal to go out there and
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fight the journeys uh into the land of the unknown,
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because this really is a journey into the unknown.
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We're leaving the known world.
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To go into the unknown, like the hero's journey and
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and and the The shaman then would be a person
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who would be selected, not necessarily born and into the
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job and then and then trained through a period by
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the previous shaman to do this work and then trained
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to do what to do to enter into great uh
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trance like states which we might call like meditative states
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or self hypnosis, whatever you want to think of it
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a bit, but this would I had I had a
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teacher who did this, and he would go into a
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deep trance very much like a shaman. And and then
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then uh this this this shaman would would go and
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would would would go forward into the future or back
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into the past to speak to as they would say,
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talk to the ancestors. They would go into the future
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to see what the future holds for my people, and
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then they would come back and report, you know. But
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but moreover they would teach this. They were teachers as well,
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and they would teach others in the community and the
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tribe how to do this vision questing on a personal level.
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Your own personal vision quest might not hold great meaning
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for the community, but it holds great importance to your
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life direction.
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Yeah, I like that. It's the earlier civilizations really cultivated
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dreaming much more than we do today. How do we
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know when we're because I dream, I dream fairly fair amount,
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and I try to keep a dream journal, How do
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we move into the lucid dream? How do we induce
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the lucid dream?
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Yeah, I found that there were certain things that people
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wanted to go into lucid dreaming were just not conscious
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of or are doing. And one was they were not
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preparing the physical body and mind to go into a
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deep state of rest. And I call it a state
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of surrender. And this requires a lot of internal harmony.
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Think of the whole whole body. Picture the whole body,
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the wholeness of you, which is body, mind, and spirit. Well,
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when you go into a state of rest and prepare
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yourself for a dream, it's not enough just to lie
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down in your bed, close your eyes and drift off
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because you're not because you're because you're still kind of
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back floating next to the dock. See, you're not really
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out there, you know. So so you need to actually
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get deeper into sleep. You actually need to physically put
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your will your body to sleep. So sometimes when I
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find it hard to get there, and this was particularly
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true for me in the beginning, I started cribbing off
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of some of these wonderful books. And there are many
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books that you can get on self hypnosis that you
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you would actually physically focus on your attention on putting
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your feet to sleep, your legs to sleep, your corso
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to sleep, all like that, all the way to the
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top of the d then finally putting the mind to sleep.
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The final stage, which is very difficult, is to reach
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a state of inner accord. Now in yoga training you
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talk about the mind is the slayer of the mind.
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You know.
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That is to say, your inner consciousness must slay your
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physical mind for you to have a greater conscious experience.
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But this is this is I'm not faulting the translation
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of the sandscript. I'm just saying that words can get
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in the way of truth. You're not slaying anything. You're
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reaching an inner chord harmony, a body minded spirit level
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of of of attunement.
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And you.
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Need to assure the physical brain, your mind, that it's
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going to be completely at rest, completely safe, and completely
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rested while it surrenders control for a brief time for
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a specific purpose, which is the dream, to your inner mind,
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your inner consciousness. And then at that point then your
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consciousness can come forward and take you on a journey.
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Until that happens, you have a backseat driver, and that's
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known as the little brain. Rending the whole big body.
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We're going to take a short commercial break to allow
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our sponsors to identify themselves, and we will return shortly
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with my guest today, Von Brosler, discussing his newest book,
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Programming Your Lucid Dreams. Will be right back. We're talking
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lucid dreams today and how to program them effortlessly with
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my guest today, Von Bristler. And this is a new book,
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a step by step guide to opening to more lucid dreams.
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Is the samadi's training from the yoga sutras that you're Uh,
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it's the foundation of this work that you're presenting in
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this book. But is that a course of meditation, because
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I mean, I'm meditating for thirty years. Do meditators have
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an easy time to get into lucid dreaming.
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Or nobody does?
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Yeah, And that's the whole thing is that we're going
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to talk about some of the exercises in a minute. Yeah,
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that you suggest, But lucid dreaming is like a whole
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different animal.
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Yeah, and yeah, you have to be dedicated to it
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and you have to actually work at it. Hence, traditionally
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this was called dream work. It wasn't dream play.
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Or idle moments.
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It was dream work and you you The ancient Egyptians,
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for example, learning from the Babylonian experience, they quickly developed
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dream temples, which was continued into the Greek, the classical
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Greek Greek era, and into the Roman. Even that there
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would be dream temples, there would be a dream attendant,
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there would be be a dream assistant that you would
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you would have somebody who would kind of coach you
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and set up the experience. Now, setting up the experience
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then means that you have a place that's completely safe,
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quiet and secluded. It is a place of peacefulness. And
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why this is to assure your physical self and your
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and your physical mind, which is always concerned with your
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safety and well being, that it's going to be okay
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during this brief period, that in fact, it's going to
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in in in exchange for surrendering a few moments of
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somewhat control, that it's going to be it's going to
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be rewarded by the greatest moments of restfulness and peace
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that it's it's had in a long time. It's it's
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holding a grip on you so tightly that we're all
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kind of high strung.
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So if somebody has trouble sleeping, that's not going to
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be a great candidate for a lucid dreaming because you're
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you're talking about being thoroughly rested. Uh, and so any
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fatigue is going to impede the whole processes in it.
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Yeah.
486
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Yeah, you want to become really good. It's slipping off,
487
00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:19.000
it's slipping away, you know, and to where it becomes
488
00:33:19.079 --> 00:33:21.400
very easy to where you could actually do this in
489
00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:25.240
a daydreaming. In daydreaming, where you can do this in
490
00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:28.559
an awaking dream. You could do it in a chair,
491
00:33:28.640 --> 00:33:32.359
you could, you could. You know, my power naps are
492
00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:35.799
off and now like lucid dreams, you know they could
493
00:33:35.799 --> 00:33:36.480
be very brief.
494
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Uh.
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It doesn't have to It doesn't have to happen at
496
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night during your sleep mode, when you're reclining in you
497
00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:48.000
in your bed. You could you could set it up
498
00:33:48.039 --> 00:33:51.759
to happen anytime, but you must be willing to surrender
499
00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:55.759
and open yourself up to the greater adventure.
500
00:33:56.519 --> 00:34:01.960
Okay, before we get into some practical app implications, what
501
00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:05.079
can we accomplish in a lucid dream? What are some
502
00:34:05.200 --> 00:34:09.159
of the benefits of I mean, you talked about going
503
00:34:09.199 --> 00:34:12.719
forward and in your book. You describe going back into
504
00:34:12.760 --> 00:34:16.159
the past, which I find fascinating. But what are some
505
00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:22.880
of the things that an active dreamscape lucid dreamer can accomplish.
506
00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:27.400
Yeah, I find it fascinating. I must confess. I use
507
00:34:27.440 --> 00:34:32.679
it for a lot of little practical personal things. But
508
00:34:32.880 --> 00:34:37.039
I know that there are great questions to be resolved.
509
00:34:37.360 --> 00:34:40.960
And this is the journey of the soul. This is
510
00:34:41.000 --> 00:34:44.119
where your soul, your inner consciousness, wants to take you.
511
00:34:44.719 --> 00:34:48.360
It needs to go out there and discover. It needs
512
00:34:48.440 --> 00:34:52.000
to be Odysseus on the raft. It needs to find
513
00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:57.159
the golden fleece it needs, it needs the vision quest.
514
00:34:56.960 --> 00:35:00.920
It needs to find answers for you. It needs to
515
00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:06.079
take you out there to confront and open new doors
516
00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:10.280
and reach new horizons. And this is what life is.
517
00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:14.840
I mean, is life for you simply waking up and
518
00:35:14.920 --> 00:35:15.800
drinking coffee?
519
00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:19.960
Well, I mean this is my day. But there's more.
520
00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:22.599
There's more to it, you know, And I think all
521
00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:26.519
of us know this, that this life well spent is
522
00:35:26.559 --> 00:35:32.639
a life of growth and stretching. And so it is
523
00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:37.280
with our dreams. I'm so big on getting people to
524
00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:43.519
actually learn to do lucid dreaming because it is our
525
00:35:43.559 --> 00:35:48.559
great opportunity for personal discovery and insight.
526
00:35:49.400 --> 00:35:50.280
You can't get.
527
00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:54.880
This anywhere else, anywhere else, and it's available to every
528
00:35:54.880 --> 00:35:57.519
one of us if we're willing to set up a dream.
529
00:35:58.480 --> 00:36:02.039
Can you give us a couple of examples of either
530
00:36:02.159 --> 00:36:09.239
students or noted dreamers who have chronicled and journaled what
531
00:36:09.400 --> 00:36:13.440
they have achieved in their lucid dreams. Perhaps somebody had
532
00:36:13.480 --> 00:36:18.079
an intention for some activity or bits of knowledge, or
533
00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:22.519
meeting somebody or and they had their lucid dream.
534
00:36:23.840 --> 00:36:26.719
Well, there certainly are in the East a lot of
535
00:36:26.920 --> 00:36:32.400
a lot of visionaries that have reported their their journeys
536
00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:39.519
into the other worlds, other levels of reality that you
537
00:36:39.559 --> 00:36:45.000
know can be read about in Eastern spiritual science records. Uh,
538
00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:50.079
the virginneys of Swami sacha Ananda have been very inspirational
539
00:36:50.119 --> 00:36:54.360
to me. I think, I don't know if I should
540
00:36:54.400 --> 00:36:57.119
bring this up, but but you can. You can also
541
00:36:57.800 --> 00:37:02.639
look to in Ick and car you can find uh
542
00:37:03.159 --> 00:37:09.440
that the original founder of that, Paul Twitchell writes about,
543
00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:13.199
if not his own experience, that of his teachers were
544
00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:22.440
likely maybe controversially, there are various people that have described
545
00:37:23.719 --> 00:37:25.800
where they've gone and what they've seen. Some of them
546
00:37:25.840 --> 00:37:32.000
are Native Americans like Sunbar very inspirational. I would I
547
00:37:32.039 --> 00:37:35.880
would say that the writings of Costinata are largely based
548
00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:41.440
on LCID dreams. If you if you had mentioned Carlos, Yeah, yes,
549
00:37:41.559 --> 00:37:45.159
I'll never I'll never stop defending him because because his
550
00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:49.119
first book he submitted to us at Llewellen. Uh and
551
00:37:49.199 --> 00:37:52.320
I worked originally at Llewella in My first publisher was
552
00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:56.880
jewellan And and it was submitted to us in our publisher,
553
00:37:57.000 --> 00:38:00.559
Bless his soul, fine man. He said, not going to
554
00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:03.679
publish a grad student's field research.
555
00:38:04.159 --> 00:38:06.320
That was his first book. Oh my god.
556
00:38:06.559 --> 00:38:10.000
And I said, are you sure I have a feeling
557
00:38:10.039 --> 00:38:13.840
about this guy? He said, no, No, we start doing that,
558
00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:18.280
we'll get all these these dissertations, and I don't want
559
00:38:18.320 --> 00:38:21.760
to go that way. Well, okay, so now the rap
560
00:38:21.800 --> 00:38:25.239
on Cosinata is that all of his subsequent I think
561
00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:28.119
there were seven or eight books after the first, and
562
00:38:28.159 --> 00:38:31.880
they were all massive mega sellers, right, yeah, okay, they
563
00:38:32.480 --> 00:38:37.320
they all sounded a lot like the first one. And
564
00:38:38.199 --> 00:38:44.719
in the controversy was that he couldn't substantiate that he'd
565
00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:49.599
gone to Mexico except as a grad student to study
566
00:38:49.639 --> 00:38:57.559
the effects of piote on on on natives in northern Mexico,
567
00:38:58.800 --> 00:39:01.320
as he did for the first book book, which starts
568
00:39:01.400 --> 00:39:04.400
the whole story right and then and then, but but
569
00:39:04.480 --> 00:39:09.079
then the story continues as though he's continuing his teaching
570
00:39:09.119 --> 00:39:13.639
with these with these, with these masters in Mexico. So
571
00:39:14.119 --> 00:39:20.880
I would suggest to you that that Carlos began to
572
00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:25.800
just have uh uh lucid dreams of going to Mexico.
573
00:39:26.719 --> 00:39:29.000
You know, either that he was or he was just
574
00:39:29.199 --> 00:39:33.039
inferring what what would happen next in the training. And
575
00:39:33.079 --> 00:39:35.679
I think that would make him like one of the
576
00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:39.519
greatest metaphysical writers of all time if you just had
577
00:39:39.519 --> 00:39:43.519
this in his head and he could actually manufacture it.
578
00:39:44.039 --> 00:39:46.840
It came from somewhere, you know. So I think that
579
00:39:47.840 --> 00:39:50.360
at some point we have to stop thinking about who
580
00:39:50.400 --> 00:39:54.800
is the messenger versus what is the message? The message
581
00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:55.639
is quite amazing.
582
00:39:56.320 --> 00:40:00.639
Do you have any students that have been using your techniques, uh,
583
00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:06.719
and have reported back on their experience? Uh?
584
00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:07.639
Yeah.
585
00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:11.679
Various people have done this and they find it helpful
586
00:40:12.239 --> 00:40:16.920
U two to to actually follow. It's a step by
587
00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:19.840
step thing. Now, I don't I don't advocate that you
588
00:40:19.880 --> 00:40:22.199
sit there and read to yourself when you're trying to
589
00:40:22.280 --> 00:40:25.360
go into alusid dream. But you study the steps and
590
00:40:25.400 --> 00:40:27.679
then you just do it, you know, And don't don't
591
00:40:27.719 --> 00:40:30.519
worry if you're getting the steps on a sequence. I
592
00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:33.239
do it all the time, you know. Just just know
593
00:40:33.400 --> 00:40:37.559
that you know that there are various steps that would
594
00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:41.760
be helpful and and and put them into the equation.
595
00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:47.000
So yeah, I know a number of people now. When
596
00:40:47.239 --> 00:40:52.559
uh I was out at the Omazing Institute in New York,
597
00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:56.480
I I tried the technique as best I could, like
598
00:40:56.559 --> 00:41:02.800
this somebodie students, UH did. And I wondered how long
599
00:41:03.360 --> 00:41:05.480
I could take a group of people that had been
600
00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:08.920
introduced to this over a period of just a week,
601
00:41:09.400 --> 00:41:11.760
and then after the end of the week, put them
602
00:41:11.880 --> 00:41:17.199
into individual dreams of their own choice, of their own direction.
603
00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:21.840
In other words, I set them all up to have
604
00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:27.039
their own individual dreams, and I left them all at
605
00:41:27.039 --> 00:41:29.920
a room, and I wondered how many would like come
606
00:41:29.960 --> 00:41:32.400
out of the dream and you know, ten minutes or
607
00:41:33.199 --> 00:41:37.599
you know, thirty seconds or an hour, well, the whole day,
608
00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:41.119
the whole day, you know, and it's like at the
609
00:41:41.239 --> 00:41:43.519
end of the day, you know, I just said, like
610
00:41:44.679 --> 00:41:48.920
these people have to like leave the building and we
611
00:41:49.000 --> 00:41:53.199
have to lock it up, and somebody's been recording the session.
612
00:41:53.239 --> 00:41:57.800
There's nothing said, you know, I said, God is and
613
00:41:59.039 --> 00:42:01.800
we have to go to dinner. And so I said,
614
00:42:01.840 --> 00:42:04.280
oh my gosh, what did I say to them when
615
00:42:04.320 --> 00:42:07.000
I set them up? How do I bring them out
616
00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:07.320
of it?
617
00:42:08.440 --> 00:42:11.239
So you able, you're saying, you're you're teaching a course
618
00:42:11.239 --> 00:42:14.079
with the Omega Institute in New York. Yeah, and you
619
00:42:14.199 --> 00:42:18.159
did a lucid dream. Yeah, of course all day, of course,
620
00:42:18.559 --> 00:42:23.960
and people were systematically going into the lucid dreams. They
621
00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:26.639
all went off in a dream of their own direction.
622
00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:30.159
And they were gone there for several several hours.
623
00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:32.000
Wow, and what?
624
00:42:32.559 --> 00:42:34.719
And I sat there and I studied them, you know,
625
00:42:35.320 --> 00:42:37.760
I mean far across the room, mind you. But it's
626
00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:40.760
like I noticed their eyes did in twitch, their toes
627
00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:44.519
in twitch. Nobody coughed, you know, It's like they were
628
00:42:44.679 --> 00:42:49.280
just gone. And finally I remember, and I went, I said,
629
00:42:50.199 --> 00:42:53.960
returning to your bodies, now, returning to your bodies now,
630
00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:56.119
because it was the last thing and I should have
631
00:42:56.159 --> 00:42:58.639
remembered this that I said to them when I set
632
00:42:58.639 --> 00:43:01.159
them off, and I said, you're going to stay in
633
00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:03.920
your lucid dream until I call you back. I'll go
634
00:43:04.880 --> 00:43:07.119
and I'll bring you back. And I said, oh my gosh,
635
00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:10.280
I should have written it down right. So but then
636
00:43:10.440 --> 00:43:14.480
then the funny thing is they all quickly, you know,
637
00:43:15.639 --> 00:43:19.119
without standing up. They all you know, bent forward and
638
00:43:19.159 --> 00:43:22.119
they're reclining positions because they were all on their back
639
00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:26.480
on the floor and they were all alert. They're all
640
00:43:26.559 --> 00:43:30.320
like wide awake. They weren't drowsy from having been sleeping
641
00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:33.159
for hours. That was a strange thing. And they all
642
00:43:33.159 --> 00:43:36.360
wanted to talk about what they've seen and what they've done,
643
00:43:36.559 --> 00:43:38.280
because they all went different directions.
644
00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:40.920
I mean, let me just stop you for a second. Von,
645
00:43:42.480 --> 00:43:48.320
I mean, you were the catalyst to to help the
646
00:43:48.480 --> 00:43:50.840
help these people drop into a lucid state. I mean
647
00:43:50.840 --> 00:43:54.800
that's you're talking. We're not talking about any psychedelics. You're
648
00:43:54.840 --> 00:43:59.159
talking talking about your inducement. It was amazing. I mean,
649
00:43:59.320 --> 00:44:01.679
what was it about that day that got you just,
650
00:44:02.280 --> 00:44:05.719
uh as such a talented lucid dream facilitator.
651
00:44:06.280 --> 00:44:08.159
Oh, I don't think of talented at all. I mean
652
00:44:08.199 --> 00:44:13.840
I simply spent the first few days telling them about
653
00:44:14.039 --> 00:44:16.960
how to set up a lucid dream. And then and
654
00:44:17.039 --> 00:44:19.800
I talked about how you can go back into the
655
00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:23.360
past into the future. You could find the lost keys,
656
00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:27.440
you could you could you could view your past life
657
00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:32.079
or lives. You could look for lost people. Uh, you
658
00:44:32.559 --> 00:44:36.199
could many things. You could look for answers. If you
659
00:44:36.239 --> 00:44:39.199
had questions, you could you could search out answers.
660
00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:39.800
You know.
661
00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:42.639
I said, it's infinite what you do. So when I
662
00:44:42.679 --> 00:44:45.960
set them up on this, I said, today is a
663
00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:46.480
free day.
664
00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:49.159
You're all going to go your own direction.
665
00:44:49.360 --> 00:44:51.239
And they looked at me like, I said, you're all
666
00:44:51.280 --> 00:44:54.239
going to select your own dream. And I said, you
667
00:44:54.639 --> 00:44:58.440
all have been told and learned how to do this,
668
00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:02.119
and now the test is you're all going to go
669
00:45:02.239 --> 00:45:06.159
off on your own lucid dream. And and don't be
670
00:45:06.320 --> 00:45:10.119
confined that you're just going to be roaming the grounds
671
00:45:10.119 --> 00:45:13.079
here or you're just going to be in the here
672
00:45:13.119 --> 00:45:16.000
and now. You can go into the past, into the future,
673
00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:19.880
anywhere you want to go, you know, alternate realities, alternate worlds.
674
00:45:19.920 --> 00:45:20.400
I don't care.
675
00:45:20.440 --> 00:45:23.039
I said, you decide where you're going to go. I said,
676
00:45:23.559 --> 00:45:26.079
it's going to be a dream of your own making
677
00:45:26.840 --> 00:45:29.559
you decide where and when and what you're going to
678
00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:33.519
dream about. And that's that's the only thing. And so
679
00:45:34.159 --> 00:45:39.320
I got them started with with with you know, putting
680
00:45:39.400 --> 00:45:42.360
them to sleep. You know, I took them that far.
681
00:45:43.679 --> 00:45:47.360
And then then I said, and now the consciousness comes forward.
682
00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:52.119
And I said, now, when the consciousness comes forward, you're
683
00:45:52.119 --> 00:45:57.000
going to prepare an agenda of where you want to go.
684
00:45:57.159 --> 00:46:00.960
You're going to visualize in terms of pictures, not words
685
00:46:01.039 --> 00:46:03.920
or sounds, but pictures where you're going to go and
686
00:46:03.960 --> 00:46:06.239
what you want to see and what you want to do.
687
00:46:06.480 --> 00:46:06.800
I said.
688
00:46:06.800 --> 00:46:10.440
It could be sketchy, yeah, and it's your own map.
689
00:46:11.199 --> 00:46:14.800
I said, but you need to form the pictures because
690
00:46:14.800 --> 00:46:17.840
this is how thought forms work. This is how our
691
00:46:17.920 --> 00:46:21.559
consciousness leaves us, leaves our body and go somewhere does
692
00:46:21.559 --> 00:46:28.199
something with pictures. And so then then they were all off.
693
00:46:28.840 --> 00:46:31.639
And it was amazing how quickly they all fell into
694
00:46:31.679 --> 00:46:34.320
it and how long they all stayed into it.
695
00:46:34.840 --> 00:46:37.079
Are you just saying that everybody in the in the
696
00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:41.840
class was relaxed enough and went into a sleep state
697
00:46:42.559 --> 00:46:46.079
and were able to jump into the lucid dreaming.
698
00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:49.639
It seemed to me that they were all deeply into
699
00:46:49.639 --> 00:46:53.599
a dream. I could see no physical signs that any
700
00:46:53.639 --> 00:46:57.559
of them were actually awake at any time during this
701
00:46:57.800 --> 00:47:01.519
entire day, and it's like to this, I just remark
702
00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:05.400
how amazing that was. But it also tells me how
703
00:47:05.639 --> 00:47:08.760
anybody could do this, because there were nineteen people in
704
00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:11.840
that room, not including me and the guy who was
705
00:47:12.159 --> 00:47:16.960
trying to record nothing because it sounds and there was
706
00:47:18.639 --> 00:47:21.920
a wide variation in the people. There was a fellow
707
00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:26.840
there who was a professor of economics at New York NYU.
708
00:47:27.079 --> 00:47:31.960
There was somebody who was a real estate broker. There
709
00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:34.920
was somebody who was a dentist. There was somebody who
710
00:47:35.079 --> 00:47:39.559
was an assistant stage manager Broadway or off Broadway. They
711
00:47:39.559 --> 00:47:42.480
were all different. They were all really really different people,
712
00:47:42.599 --> 00:47:46.679
you know. And I remember at the very beginning, we
713
00:47:46.719 --> 00:47:49.639
had two people that dropped out. I said, this is
714
00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:51.719
going to be a week and I'm going to show
715
00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:54.840
you how to actually leave your body in meditation. And
716
00:47:54.920 --> 00:47:58.039
before I got too far, we took a break and
717
00:47:58.079 --> 00:47:59.880
two of them left and they went to square dance,
718
00:48:02.679 --> 00:48:04.800
and I said, I lost two people. They said, yeah,
719
00:48:05.199 --> 00:48:06.679
you said you were just going to teach them how
720
00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:09.239
to meditate to leave the body. I said, well, there's
721
00:48:09.280 --> 00:48:12.559
a little more than that, I said, but okay, I said,
722
00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:14.599
square dancing is fun.
723
00:48:14.840 --> 00:48:15.079
You know.
724
00:48:15.159 --> 00:48:18.159
So we had nineteen people and and at the end
725
00:48:18.199 --> 00:48:21.320
we had a couple people that showed up late because
726
00:48:21.559 --> 00:48:24.400
they couldn't get there on day one, so we ended
727
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up with nineteen. But yeah, I mean, it's it's I mean,
728
00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:34.000
in a lucid dream, it might seem amazing that people
729
00:48:34.079 --> 00:48:37.159
could be gone three days, as in the case of
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00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:41.480
the tsunami in India. It might be might be amazing
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that all these people at this little retreat in upstate
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00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:47.599
New York could be gone all day in a lucid
733
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dream with little training. But but, but, but anybody, anybody
734
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can do this.
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00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:56.639
And the amazing thing is time. Is it significant?
736
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Because in a lucid dream, you could be gone on
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00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:03.239
just a few clicks of the clock next to your bed.
738
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But you've lived a whole lifetime. I've done that, and
739
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you come back and say, I can't believe I was
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gone five minutes.
741
00:49:10.480 --> 00:49:13.119
I lived a whole life in this other world.
742
00:49:14.239 --> 00:49:15.519
And the reverse can be true.
743
00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:16.920
You know, I'm fascinating.
744
00:49:17.599 --> 00:49:22.960
Yeah, time is meaningless in the spirit realm, and that's
745
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what we're speaking about.
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We're gonna take a short commercial break to allow our
747
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sponsors to identify themselves and we will return shortly with
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00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:38.000
my guest today Von Brageler discussing his newest book, Programming
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Your Lucid Dreams, will rejoin you shortly. Mom. Broschelar has
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written three books on lucid dreams. The newest one we're
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featuring today is Programming Your Lucid Dreams. And we're getting
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into a step by step program that will guarantee you
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00:50:35.639 --> 00:50:42.199
lucid dreams. Let's talk real quickly on about and you've
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been giving us the step by step setup for the dreamscape.
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So the first thing is a quiet space obviously. And
756
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I don't know, did you have people bring blankets and pillows,
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their favorite pillows so they were comfortable when they.
758
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Were laying down.
759
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Yeah, but by the last day, that's that's what they
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were we're doing.
761
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I mean they bring their favorite pillow or something.
762
00:51:06.039 --> 00:51:10.480
Yeah, so so they can you can just recline. I
763
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think it's better when you recline on your back. First
764
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of all. I think it's better when your legs and
765
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arms are are extended a little bit. I think of
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the in yoga because I've done a lot of yoga training.
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The dead Man posed, but but just extended. Nothing crossing uh,
768
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no loose fitting clothing or no clothing, no jewelry. Take
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your glasses off, take your watch off, take your bracelet off,
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none of that.
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Nothing. You know.
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Don't cross your feet or legs. Sometimes I sleep with
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my feet crossed.
774
00:51:42.800 --> 00:51:44.880
You know, it's like not on a lucid dream.
775
00:51:45.199 --> 00:51:47.800
Yeah, you're fine. It's interesting because you say in here,
776
00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:51.920
focus your attention on putting the physical body to sleep,
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and then you're talking about this right now, start with
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your feet and work your way up to your head.
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If somebody has a problem sleepy, yeah, it's not gonna work.
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You have to be somewhat of a regular sleeper, don't you.
781
00:52:05.119 --> 00:52:06.559
Well, this is what's interesting.
782
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You know, people that get canked out, you know, they
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have amazing lucid dreams because the spirit leaves the body
784
00:52:12.960 --> 00:52:17.039
because suddenly, suddenly it's it's set free, you know, or
785
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or or people who are are in a comba, they'll
786
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have remembered things or people that that have like in
787
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an operation, I mean always recently, in a twelve hour operation.
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It's like you you can go a lot of places
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in twelve hours, you know. Oh yeah, but but but
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00:52:37.960 --> 00:52:41.239
know that there's an inner side of what everybody knows
791
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there's an inner voice in each one of us. Without
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00:52:44.199 --> 00:52:47.639
getting into any kind of spiritual analysis, there's an inner
793
00:52:47.719 --> 00:52:52.239
you that that that that speaks to you and has
794
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your best interest at heart. And that's what we're talking about.
795
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I think a bit of spirit.
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So talk about the next uh phase, which is deep
797
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rhythmatic breathing. Yes, until it becomes regular. Now what does
798
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what does that help? How does that does that kind
799
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of shift the consciousness a little bit?
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Yeah?
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Now, this this is going to actually this is part
802
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of yoga training that it just seems to fit handing
803
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glove here. It It actually opens up oneself to to
804
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let consciousness come forward. Uh it it It is not
805
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depriving you. I mean when we when we begin to
806
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do shallow breathing, I catch myself doing this now and
807
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then moments of stress. Uh there, there isn't a lot
808
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of great thought going on.
809
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You know that.
810
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You know you're just barely breathing. You know you've got
811
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you've got to actually begin deep rhythmic reading. I like,
812
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I like a breath uh in threes. Uh, I do
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uh three deep breaths. Hold it for the count of three,
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and then I expel it for three and as I
815
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begin it, I usually will think of of of of
816
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taking in the energy and the pure error around me,
817
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and then and then purifying it and blessing it as
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they take it inside and internalize it, and then I
819
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expel it with with my with my love and gratitude, uh,
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00:54:35.320 --> 00:54:41.360
onto the world. I think that getting into breathing exercises
821
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is almost as important as is and this is probably
822
00:54:46.239 --> 00:54:50.920
why people have trouble because they're they're really not relaxing,
823
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and this is very relaxing when you get into deep
824
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breathing and breathing exercises.
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Yeah. Uh.
826
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You go to the next phase, which is preparing map,
827
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and then you're saying, here, I'm just going to read
828
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the first of six sections, which is notice that your
829
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heightened consciousness is now racing while your body and analytical
830
00:55:13.000 --> 00:55:18.760
mind is at rest. Yeah, and so you're you're leaving
831
00:55:18.840 --> 00:55:22.800
the critical thinking mind you have everyday activity, and this
832
00:55:23.000 --> 00:55:26.239
other mind, the other level of consciousness, is you want
833
00:55:26.280 --> 00:55:27.000
to bring in.
834
00:55:27.960 --> 00:55:30.880
Yeah, I mean, I mean you have to recognize at
835
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some point that your analytical mind, this little pocket calculator
836
00:55:38.599 --> 00:55:41.039
that runs her life, does a really good job for
837
00:55:41.079 --> 00:55:43.599
what it does, but there are limits to what it
838
00:55:43.639 --> 00:55:47.360
can do it. It is based, It is limited by
839
00:55:47.480 --> 00:55:52.440
its own frame of reference, its own memory bank. It
840
00:55:52.519 --> 00:55:54.880
is only as good as the information you put in.
841
00:55:54.960 --> 00:55:59.239
It's like a computer and nothing else. You can't speculate
842
00:55:59.320 --> 00:56:02.280
on the unknown. You know, it doesn't know where you
843
00:56:02.360 --> 00:56:06.599
were before this life. It doesn't know what lies ahead
844
00:56:06.599 --> 00:56:09.360
of you. It doesn't know what you need, It doesn't
845
00:56:09.480 --> 00:56:12.360
know what's out there in the unknown world. There's only
846
00:56:12.400 --> 00:56:15.880
one part of you that does, and that's your inner consciousness.
847
00:56:16.960 --> 00:56:22.519
So it's very important to begin mapping by setting up.
848
00:56:23.440 --> 00:56:26.000
The right part of you in charge.
849
00:56:26.400 --> 00:56:29.480
So then you get to this state of consciousness that
850
00:56:29.559 --> 00:56:33.840
you're calling the dreams scape dream scape. And this is
851
00:56:33.880 --> 00:56:38.199
interesting what you write. Orient yourself to your presence there
852
00:56:38.840 --> 00:56:41.679
and your surrounding. That's really critical, isn't it That?
853
00:56:41.880 --> 00:56:46.960
Really, it really is clip because you know otherwise you're not.
854
00:56:48.440 --> 00:56:52.480
You're not aware that you're.
855
00:56:52.400 --> 00:56:57.159
Truly in a lucid dream. You need to orient yourself
856
00:56:57.199 --> 00:57:04.119
so that you're consciously aware. And when you become consciously aware,
857
00:57:04.519 --> 00:57:09.519
then your full uh a set of conscious awareness opens
858
00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:12.159
up to you, and and and and that's a tremendous
859
00:57:12.960 --> 00:57:16.800
bank of resources to draw upon. It replaces all of
860
00:57:16.840 --> 00:57:22.559
your physical perceptions that you've left behind in the physical realm.
861
00:57:22.679 --> 00:57:26.039
And so, I mean, I've heard different techniques like look
862
00:57:26.119 --> 00:57:29.239
at your hands or something, and I don't know what
863
00:57:29.280 --> 00:57:32.639
the significance of looking at your hands is, but yeah,
864
00:57:32.960 --> 00:57:35.079
that's a good bound that your physicality.
865
00:57:35.719 --> 00:57:36.039
Yeah.
866
00:57:36.360 --> 00:57:39.960
Now this confuses people because you say that in your
867
00:57:40.199 --> 00:57:45.000
in your lucid dream, the way that we're describing it here,
868
00:57:45.480 --> 00:57:50.559
it's a non physical reality. It is your subtle it
869
00:57:50.679 --> 00:57:54.880
is your consciousness on subtle energy body level, having left
870
00:57:54.920 --> 00:57:58.800
the body, So how would you have hands? So, I mean,
871
00:57:58.880 --> 00:58:01.360
I think the thing that the thing to think about
872
00:58:01.599 --> 00:58:06.039
is that that you're when you've left your your your
873
00:58:06.159 --> 00:58:12.039
your physical body behind, your astral double has has replaced
874
00:58:12.039 --> 00:58:15.519
it on the on the other level. So you have
875
00:58:15.599 --> 00:58:19.199
what's called the etheric double. And the etheric double is
876
00:58:19.719 --> 00:58:27.199
somewhat representative or or a tissue copy, a transparent copy,
877
00:58:27.239 --> 00:58:32.599
if you will, of of of your physical being. But yes, yeah, yeah,
878
00:58:32.679 --> 00:58:36.400
the importance is that you you placed yourself there. I
879
00:58:36.440 --> 00:58:39.920
think the thing the important thing is to own uh,
880
00:58:40.400 --> 00:58:44.920
the experience, to own the environment, UH, to own up
881
00:58:44.960 --> 00:58:48.280
to the dream and to uh and and and to
882
00:58:48.440 --> 00:58:52.880
actually accept your your position there, so you're there. You
883
00:58:53.119 --> 00:58:59.280
you're in this level of consciousness. If you have not
884
00:58:59.440 --> 00:59:02.880
intended to have an event or meet someone or go
885
00:59:03.079 --> 00:59:10.199
forward or backward, you're kind of left to whose decision
886
00:59:10.280 --> 00:59:13.519
on what you're going to do in that state. Yeah,
887
00:59:13.719 --> 00:59:17.280
I mean you're not always going to find what you're
888
00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:20.800
looking for in a lucid dream. I mean you have
889
00:59:20.840 --> 00:59:25.760
a wish list which you've created with pictures on your agenda,
890
00:59:25.920 --> 00:59:28.800
and then you've used it for mapping to get there right,
891
00:59:28.880 --> 00:59:33.159
and then then you've gone into the dreamscape and you
892
00:59:33.599 --> 00:59:36.239
might not find what you wanted. Now, there are various
893
00:59:36.599 --> 00:59:43.559
reasons why can be disappointing, sure, but sometimes spirit knows
894
00:59:43.599 --> 00:59:47.480
better what you're ready for. I mean, some of the
895
00:59:47.480 --> 00:59:54.039
things I wanted my first dreamscapes were insanely grandiose. I
896
00:59:54.119 --> 00:59:57.159
was called back by a dream teacher. I said, this
897
00:59:57.239 --> 01:00:00.400
is this is not good. You know, we're were going
898
01:00:00.440 --> 01:00:01.719
to curb you for a while.
899
01:00:01.840 --> 01:00:04.480
You know, what do you mean a teacher, a dream
900
01:00:04.559 --> 01:00:06.360
teacher or a physical teacher.
901
01:00:06.960 --> 01:00:09.559
I had a dream teacher for a while. Somebody would
902
01:00:09.559 --> 01:00:12.480
actually help me in my dreams. And for a while
903
01:00:12.559 --> 01:00:15.760
she would would would help me h go places until
904
01:00:15.760 --> 01:00:20.840
I felt a little more secure going on my and
905
01:00:20.840 --> 01:00:24.039
and people say, well, did you conjure her? And I said, well,
906
01:00:24.039 --> 01:00:26.960
that might sound like it, but I didn't. I visualized
907
01:00:27.000 --> 01:00:29.000
her the same way I visualized where I want to
908
01:00:29.039 --> 01:00:33.159
go in my dream. So I visualized what kind of
909
01:00:33.159 --> 01:00:36.199
a kind of attributes I would need in a dream
910
01:00:36.360 --> 01:00:41.039
teacher or a dream guide. And then and then I
911
01:00:41.039 --> 01:00:43.880
refined it to where I could actually see her face,
912
01:00:44.639 --> 01:00:47.199
and then and then she was there. And then ultimately,
913
01:00:47.360 --> 01:00:53.559
like all good manifestations in visualization, I actually visualized actually
914
01:00:53.639 --> 01:00:58.880
having having found her. And then, indeed, finally when one night,
915
01:00:58.960 --> 01:01:02.360
when I rose above my bed, above the cabin, above
916
01:01:02.400 --> 01:01:06.159
the tree line, into the dark sky in the snowy
917
01:01:06.199 --> 01:01:09.760
mountain where I lived, I reached out my hand and
918
01:01:09.800 --> 01:01:12.679
there she was. She grabbed my hand, and I was
919
01:01:12.760 --> 01:01:16.679
no longer flailing about aimlessly like a fool in the
920
01:01:16.800 --> 01:01:19.719
night sky. But I had someone who said where would
921
01:01:19.760 --> 01:01:22.119
you like to go? And I said where can I go?
922
01:01:22.320 --> 01:01:25.119
She said no, she said, it's important to have the
923
01:01:25.239 --> 01:01:30.320
right questions, said the important. The questions, she said, at
924
01:01:30.320 --> 01:01:36.199
this point are more important than the answers. Wow, I said, whoa, whoa?
925
01:01:36.679 --> 01:01:39.760
She said, So choose wisely, and so I said, well,
926
01:01:39.800 --> 01:01:42.519
I would like to go someplace place that would would
927
01:01:42.559 --> 01:01:45.880
would show me things that that would be profound and
928
01:01:46.360 --> 01:01:50.280
and I could learn. So she started ticking me on
929
01:01:50.480 --> 01:01:53.079
walk through the woods. She said, now, you could do
930
01:01:53.159 --> 01:01:55.519
this during the day, she said, but we'll do it
931
01:01:55.599 --> 01:01:59.039
right now, and we'll show you how everything in the
932
01:01:59.119 --> 01:02:01.960
in the woods will teach you everything you need to know.
933
01:02:02.440 --> 01:02:06.119
She said, nature is our teacher, and this was her orientation,
934
01:02:06.639 --> 01:02:09.000
this was who she was. So this is the kind
935
01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:12.039
of teacher I got. So, so this is what we did.
936
01:02:12.159 --> 01:02:14.800
We walked in the woods, and we would spend hours
937
01:02:14.920 --> 01:02:20.320
looking at things crawling into holes in the in the
938
01:02:20.360 --> 01:02:23.480
in the in the woods and in the burrows, and
939
01:02:24.360 --> 01:02:28.519
hidden passages in the trees. And then she'd say, now
940
01:02:28.679 --> 01:02:32.199
what does this mean? What is this tullis? And I said, well,
941
01:02:32.280 --> 01:02:35.320
that little squirrel found a place to live. She said,
942
01:02:35.440 --> 01:02:39.039
you're not looking deep enough. She said, there's always more.
943
01:02:39.679 --> 01:02:43.280
She said, until you could ask the right questions, I
944
01:02:43.360 --> 01:02:46.360
can't help you find the right answers. And finally she
945
01:02:46.440 --> 01:02:49.639
turned me over to somebody else. She said, this is
946
01:02:49.679 --> 01:02:52.800
my teacher. He has more patience than I do. He
947
01:02:52.880 --> 01:02:56.360
will help and I said, but but I want you.
948
01:02:56.480 --> 01:02:59.400
I want you, And she said no, she said it's
949
01:02:59.440 --> 01:03:02.360
not working out. So I mean, but she was really
950
01:03:02.360 --> 01:03:06.800
good for me, and and and and Yeah. I think
951
01:03:06.800 --> 01:03:09.000
it's good to have a dream teacher.
952
01:03:09.320 --> 01:03:11.920
I like that idea that you didn't place that in
953
01:03:12.000 --> 01:03:15.320
your book, but a helper dream helper is great idea.
954
01:03:15.880 --> 01:03:17.039
Yeah.
955
01:03:17.239 --> 01:03:25.519
Yeah, As we're concluding, von, what should people be trying
956
01:03:25.599 --> 01:03:28.760
to achieve when they get to the point where they
957
01:03:28.760 --> 01:03:34.480
can do regular lucid dreaming. I've heard some people will
958
01:03:35.480 --> 01:03:40.800
use it for problem solving, creating scenarios where they're you know,
959
01:03:41.639 --> 01:03:46.519
perhaps interacting with somebody in a relationship and learning how
960
01:03:46.559 --> 01:03:49.840
the person will react or whatever. But talk a little
961
01:03:49.880 --> 01:03:54.000
bit about the the benefits of having the ability to
962
01:03:54.079 --> 01:03:54.760
lucid dream.
963
01:03:55.519 --> 01:03:55.960
Yeah.
964
01:03:56.079 --> 01:04:00.639
So I think in a full blown lucid dream escape
965
01:04:01.719 --> 01:04:03.880
the way I practice it, I go somewhere and I
966
01:04:03.920 --> 01:04:04.360
do something.
967
01:04:04.400 --> 01:04:05.320
It's a great adventure.
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I call it the inner journey of the hero within.
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But it is your consciousness that takes the journey. Now,
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if we look at different ways that people analyze remote viewing,
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we can understand there are different aspects to lucid dreaming
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as well. Dreaming could be simply that you remain in
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a fixed location and you set up the lucid dream,
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but you don't actually leave. It's not an out of
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body experience. But the consciousness nonetheless reaches out, reaches out,
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And this is one of the great things of consciousness
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is that it doesn't need to go somewhere to see something.
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It can reach out like antennis, and your consciousness can
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reach out and find the answer. So I think finding
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answers to complex problems is wonderful. I always do this
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when I'm stuck on a book, and I will say, gosh,
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where do I go now? And I'll just think of that.
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I'll think of that, and then I begin to visualize
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that in terms of pictures, like what's chapter twelve?
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Where do I go? What do I do?
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And and I'll dream it. You know, sometimes somebody will
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come and say.
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You know, this is what I would do.
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I'll get little helpers. They'll come say this is what
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I would do? You know, And and the answers are
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there's a infinite number of bits of information out there.
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All of these thought forms are all like dancing around,
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and all you need to do is put up your antennas,
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your consciousness and connect you know it's connecting to it
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is a vertical alignment of one's consciousness.
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Uh. I really like the fact that you know you're
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this is a Hindu focused type of lucid dreaming, which
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is very ancient, and it might be the reason that
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you are able to get a room full of participants
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to actually lucid dream without except for the square answers, Well,
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they weren't meant to be in your class to be No, no, no, no.
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Yeah.
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So hey, real great having you on the program. The
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books called programming your Lucid Dreams. My guess has been
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Von Braschlar. Uh, give us your website and how people
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can get a hold of you. Give us the details
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of your social media.
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Sure, it's a von Braschlar website dot com.
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Oh that's simple enough.
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Very very easy. Yeah.
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Yeah, are you on social media? Are you on like
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Facebook and Facebook?
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Yeah?
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Facebook, backslash v Braschlar okay, And I have a couple
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of pages there. One is when it's for one of
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my books, and one of them is for my my
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my fiction books.
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I just a fiction as well.
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Right, And this is a third of your lucid dreaming books.
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Isn't it.
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Yeah?
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Yeah, And then it was in the middle there there
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was a scroll. It's like, what a scroll?
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And is it now available on Amazon? Yes, it is,
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so it came out in July.
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Yeah, yeah, perfect it end of June. Very end of June.
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Oh.
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Very good.
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Okay, really easy to read, and it's a good book
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to I mean, you make it sound so easy. I'm
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almost jealous that you can kind of close your eyes
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and get into a locid dream. So I am definitely
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gonna give some of your techniques a try, especially because
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it's Hindu bass and you're a meditator, and it might
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if I follow your instructions, it might be easier for me.
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I hope I didn't put too many steps. I know
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there's a lot of steps, but if you look at that,
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you look at the Hindu approach, the Sutrus, I'm really
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complicated and I wanted to get away from.
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That that is complicated breathing.
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You're right, it gets you.
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Hey much success, Vonn, and thanks for joining me.
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Thank you, Cliff.
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Good to see you.
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You know, I was looking at this book and there's
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a lot to really like about it, but I personally
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what I'm laying down it would be great to have
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a guided audio version of the book or a Lucid
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Dreaming audible program so that you can actually listen and
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go into the state. So I mean, I'm still working
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on Lucid Dreaming the depth of it, and I'm hoping
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to get somewhere soon, so I'll let you know how
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I do. But check out the book Programming Your Lucid Dreams.
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It's been out for a couple of months, so you
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can get.
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It out Amazon.
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Hey want to mention we do tours. We got one
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coming up in December. It's our Sacred Pyramids of Guatemala
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December first to the twelfth. Lots to really like about this.
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Not only doctor Lydia and Artural de Leon will be
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our guest, but we also have a number of shaman
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archaeologists and it's just a fantastic tour to consider. For
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more information, go to earth Ansents dot com forward slash
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Tours check it out. Any questions whatsoever hit me up,
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go to Earth Ancients the number four of the letter
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you at Gmail and I'll get right back to you.
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This is way. This is a great way to end
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the year. All right, that's it for this program. I
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want to thank my guest today von Broschler and his
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new book Loser Dreaming. As always the team of Gail
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tour Mark Foster, Faisal Bavar.
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You guys rock.
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All right, Take care of you well and we will
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talk to you next time. The ban
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Aga