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One drink in and we head straight into one of Florida’s hardest truths: how a single accusation on New Year’s Day 1923 ignited a mob, leveled a thriving Black community, and left families hiding in winter swamps while their homes burned. We trace the Rosewood Massacre through names and places that deserve to be remembered—Fanny Taylor’s lie in Sumner, the murder of blacksmith Sam Carter, and the Carrier family’s stand inside a house ringed by gunmen—so you can see the chain of choices that turned fear into atrocity.
We walk through what made Rosewood special before the fires: skilled labor, gardens, two‑story homes rare for the region, a Masonic Lodge, churches, and a post office anchoring daily life. That prosperity mattered when rumors hardened into a hunt for a convenient scapegoat, the supposed escapee “Jesse Hunter,” while those closest to the truth stayed silent from fear. From there, the story becomes a map of survival: the siege at the Carrier home, the killing of Sarah and Sylvester, and the rescue of women and children by two Jewish train operators who risked their livelihoods to get them out. The details are raw because they should be—execution at gunpoint, families forced into the swamp’s cold, and a town’s memory nearly erased.
Decades of quiet finally broke in the 1980s when reporting connected demographic shifts to buried violence, leading to a rare state reparations package that fell far short of justice but set an important precedent. We talk about why this history still hits today, how public memory can be kept alive with markers near Cedar Key, and what meaningful education and commemoration look like. Along the way, there are human moments—Valentine pinks, a Harvey Wallbanger hack, and a Kentucky detour—that make the hard history bearable without blurring its edges.
Press play to learn the names, follow the route to the memorial, and keep the story moving forward. If this episode resonates, share it with a friend, leave a review, and subscribe—then tell us what part of Rosewood’s story you think every school should teach.
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Hey Jesse.
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This is good.
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Hey Lindsay.
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Hey, what's up?
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Hey, what are you having a drink there?
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Oh, is it Harvey Wallbanger?
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Harvey Wallbanger.
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So I fucking love it.
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That was on the chart back there.
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So Landon got us this from like a flea market, right?
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No, I got it from uh Ollie's.
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Ollie's.
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Okay.
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And so we decided we were going to uh make a drink from this, and we had all the stuff for a Harvey.
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Holy shit.
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You gotta do this.
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I'm scared.
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For a Harvey wall banger.
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I'm scared right here.
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Which is so it's I don't know if it's pronounced Galliano or a Guyano.
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I don't know if the two L's are a Y.
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Uh but we couldn't find that.
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So I looked up a substitute and it said you could look up, you could use uh Amaretta.
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Yeah.
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So we use it was very, it's very good, dude.
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Do a Harvey Wallbanger.
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Cheers, everybody.
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Fuck.
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So I'll leave that there.
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Yeah.
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Oh shit.
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So I made us one with vodka, amaretta, um, tropicana simply orange, orange juice, and uh some cherry juice.
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And I threw a couple of cherries in there for garnish and a couple of ice cubes.
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It's good.
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Very good.
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I have it all over me because it's spilled.
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Barbie Wallhanger.
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Holy shit.
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It's really good.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Very tasty.
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Uh proved by the Gen Z.
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So hi and welcome to uh where it's Valentine's Day.
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Happy Valentine's Day.
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Happy Valentine's Day.
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Now this won't be to you until Wednesday, the whatever it's.
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Um but uh so what's Wednesday, like the 18th?
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I don't know, but look at my shirt.
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You bought me this.
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I love it.
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This is fucking badass.
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I'm gonna wear it at Rockville.
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I don't care.
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Yes.
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So he wanted to do a lot of pink themed outfits for Rockville.
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So I got him uh one shirt that you already wore on here, which was a it's a pink shirt with a black, like shiny like disco ball like a skeleton.
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And then so this is turn around.
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This is a skull, but it's all flamingo.
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Florida's fuck.
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So it's Florida as fuck.
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Coming at you, Florida as fuck.
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And Rockville is in Daytona, Florida.
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And uh I am wearing a love sweatshirt.
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Which is the saying that Jojo has, and I was like, I didn't know how many of you uh order or have ordered from Sheen, but sometimes you accidentally click the two times, sometimes three.
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Like I accidentally just ordered three pairs of the same fishnets, but whatever.
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I'm gonna wear them.
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I'm gonna wear two of them.
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Yeah, Jesse's gonna borrow some.
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I'm gonna make him a uh I'm gonna make you an undershirt out of one.
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Really?
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Show you how to do it.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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So uh to wear under your skull pink shirt that I bought you.
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Underwear.
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Yes.
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It's gonna be like a I'll I'll show you.
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I'll show you.
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We'll take a picture.
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So this shirt that I've got on for our uh visual uh listener or visual subscribers.
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Yeah, the the peeps that are the peeps.
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Peeps that are watching us visually.
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Um, this is a love sweatshirt that my bestie Jojo, who has been a guest on our pod a few times, she got two of these on accident and gave me one.
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So I'm wearing it for Valentine's Day.
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I love it.
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Audio listeners, a very pink sweatshirt with uh love in black everywhere.
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And it's got some rips, some distresses.
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Very cute, very comfy.
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Oh my god.
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Very cute.
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No, when I seen Jojo show up, there's like a Christmas party or something she had it on.
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I was like, I love that.
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And you you're like, I have that too.
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I have it too.
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I love it matching.
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I want to wear it.
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Yeah, leave me alone.
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Leave me alone, Lindsay.
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So, by the way, this is Drunk About Something Raw.
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Yes, an unedited recap.
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Hello.
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Um, today we're gonna be recapping the Rosewood Basser.
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Yeah, goodness gracious, Lindsay.
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That was fucking bad, dude.
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I just historically just horrific, historic.
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Well, JoJo did join us on that recording, and uh, she stayed over and we watched the movie.
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We had popcorn and sweet treats, and we watched the movie.
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Yep.
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Uh Landon got more educated, and um, even though him and Jojo both like went to sleep on us.
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Yeah, they harveed wallbangered the fuck out and they crashed out.
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This is good.
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It was a very long movie.
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Rosewood was, I mean, it was really accurate though.
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I I feel like you need to watch Rosewood.
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You know, check out our podcast, of course, on the Rosewood Massacre, and we're gonna call it that forevermore.
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Ours is a little more accurate than the movie because Hollywood.
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Yeah, but the movie will really bring in the grasp of all the events and things, and I I get it, I get it.
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It was it was a good portrayal of the portrayal, yes, and Don Chino, Ving Rams, uh, John Voigt, you know, big name actors are in that movie, and it's from 1997.
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So even though that feels like a very long time ago, almost 30 years ago.
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Shh, quiet now, Lindsay.
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Quiet.
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It's very good.
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I'm glad they're sharing it, and I'm glad we're sharing it.
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I'm glad that you're sharing it because I'm just following you.
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I'm just over here walking behind the path that you fucking make.
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But you brought you brought this to my world, this story.
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But I get it, but still, you're paving it, Lindsay.
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I might, I might, I might make the asphalt.
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This is really good.
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I know it is so good.
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It's gonna get us fucking good.
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But you I might make the asphalt, but you pave the road, baby.
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So let's start the recap.
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Okay.
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So in 1923, it was New Year's Day.
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Um James Taylor, not the singer, and his wife were at home.
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James Taylor had to go out to work that morning.
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And uh Mamie, not Mamie, what the fuck?
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I don't have my notes today.
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Mrs.
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Taylor.
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Um, hold on.
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So James goes to work, it's still dark, and then his wife is at home, and when it's still dark, neighbors here.
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That's yes, that's today's notes.
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Yeah, Landon's Landon's our assistant.
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Landon's our assistant.
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I don't know what happened to the notes.
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I usually put them all in one pile.
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You were looking for them, yeah.
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But Rosewood has to be a little bit more than a lot of things.
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Let's go off the dome.
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Let's explain.
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I'm going off the dome because I do know this story front to back.
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Yeah.
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So names may be wrong.
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Go back and listen to her episode for the full effect.
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Yeah.
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Okay, so Mrs.
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Taylor, she gets assaulted, and neighbors hear screams.
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Neighbors come over, and Mrs.
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Taylor wrongfully uh accuses a black man of at first, she just said came in and assaulted her.
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Then the more attention she got, the rape and all that come in, yeah.
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She said that she was raped and robbed.
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Now, her laundress, Sarah Carrier, who lived in the neighboring town of Rosewood.
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So they're in Sumner.
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The Taylors are in Sumner, which uh is I forgot the backstory really quick.
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So backstory uh Rosewood originally was a thriving predominantly white community because of its Rosewood cedar trees.
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And they cut them all down and then had to relocate, and they called that next town over was Sumner.
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And Sumner had a sawmill which provided more jobs.
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So that was the work around the area.
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People people knew woodworking and the communities around the area, that's that's what they got there.
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That was their employment.
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And the black community, they were thriving though in the Rosewood area, which was cut down by all the trees.
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There was nothing left there, but they had a communal type area, and they were thriving.
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They had a turnstile mill and they had a they had they had a couple of industrial things as well.
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So this is sorry, I forgot my notes today.
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Yeah, this is the woods between Bronson and Cedar Key.
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It's the woods.
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There's nothing between there but what woods.
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And swamp.
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And swamp.
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And at that time, they made a thriving community.
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They were building two-story houses.
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Nobody had two-story houses back then.
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In Florida.
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In Florida.
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No way.
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They had what they called shotgun houses where the door, the front door, and the back door kind of met.
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You let the breeze come through because it's hot as shit in Florida in the summer.
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And it was a single-story house, and you just that's the spot you kind of went to and slept, or whatever.
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But they had a thriving building economy and a thriving building community.
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It was communal.
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People were growing garden, they had gardens, and and the the workmanship was just amazing.
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They were not going to experience anything as far as the depression.
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They were going to be just a an amazing community.
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There was no reason why anybody fucked with all this, and it got all fucked up.
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Right.
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So uh this rosewood had originally been predominantly white, but when they cut down all the cedar trees and the lumber industry went downhill because they cut down all the trees, uh, they went over to Sumner.
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So now Rosewood is predominantly black, but like Jesse said, thriving, they learned how to work it and they learned how to do their thing.
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Yeah, and another another um neighboring community, my boss's wife was um part of the lineage that was the sheriff that was in the the the the other neighboring community.
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I forgot what community it was.
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He didn't have anything to do with it, but he was like part of like the awareness and and trying to bring light into the to the the state of Florida, but it all got shot down.
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Sheriff Yondu?
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Oh no, no, um, I forgot what I forgot what uh uh somewhere in Dixie County or some shit, right?
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But he actually was trying to stand up and for awareness and everything in in a good way, but it all got fucked up.
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Lindsay's gonna tell you about that fuckery.
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Well, in the movie, um the actor that plays the sheriff is also the actor that plays Yondu in The Guardians of the Galaxy, uh, volume one and two.
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So that's what we call him Sheriff Yondu because that's all I could think of the whole movie was Yondu.
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That's Yondu.
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Anyways, so Mrs.
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Taylor has now proclaimed that she has been assaulted.
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Sarah Carrier and her granddaughter, who has come to work with her that day, they know that there has been a white man that's come in and hung out with Mrs.
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Taylor while Mr.
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Taylor goes to work.
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So they're like, no, that was not a black man that assaulted Mrs.
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Taylor, that was a white guy who has been coming in.
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Now they didn't share that because they were too scared to actually speak their mind in the white community.
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So they go back and tell the residents of Rosewood that.
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So this guy, his name was also James, his name was James Wright.
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So he runs out because he has literally beat the shit out of Mrs.
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Taylor.
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Is it was a lover's quarrel.
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And a different story got told within the white community that now a escape from the chain gang named Jesse Hunter is who they need to be looking for.
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Which in the movie they played, they portrayed him as a World War II veteran, right?
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And he had a bunch of money.
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And he showed up at the town, he's like got a whole grip of money.
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The white body man.
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Oh, the the uh the no, the the guy that the drifter that was supposed to be like escapee from the chain gang or whatever, right?
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I think so.
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I think that's correct.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So so it's a little this and that, but at the same time, it's a lot of fucked up fuckery.
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I I feel like if there's a drifter from a chain gang that came through the town, he probably just got something supplies and left, you know?
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Well, this man named Sam Carter, who was a blacksmith in the area, he had helped well let me backtrack a little bit.
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So a mob of white men uh formed.
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It was what did I say?
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It was about 400.
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I'm so sorry, once again, I my look my notes are lost.
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So it was I want to say it was about 400 men.
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Um, so this started on January 1st and it goes through until January.
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Did I say January begin with January 1st to January 7th.
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First to the 7th.
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Do you think it was like part of like the Mason thing like they did in the movie?
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Like he's a Mason, right?
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Well, there was a Masonic Lodge in Rosewood.
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And James Wright, who was the paramour, um, in the movie, is portrayed as a Mason, and then Sam Carter was also a Mason.
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So he helps this guy out, but then it all gets misconstrued as to Sam Carter helping out the escapee from the chain gang named Jesse Hunter.
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Right.
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Okay.
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So they first lynch Sam Carter to try to get answers out of him, and when he doesn't tell them what they want to hear, he gets shot.
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And this was basically the kickoff to the entire massacre of this beautiful, thriving black community in Rosewood, Florida.
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Right.
00:14:03.919 --> 00:14:16.720
So Sarah Carrier, she had her son's name was Sylvester, and Sylvester was just, I'm not sure what he was doing, but he was met with the mob, and the mob tells him to get the fuck out of town.
00:14:16.879 --> 00:14:18.960
Sylvester's like, absolutely not.
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And Sylvester was an excellent gunsman.
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So he goes back to his mom's house, and he uh He tries to have a gathering like a community and strength and unity, and was like, Holy fuck, dude, this this whole town strength in numbers.
00:14:34.559 --> 00:14:43.200
Yeah, this whole town's fixing to be it invaded by a bunch of people that is a mob over one person that we don't even know.
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We don't even know this person, and they're looking for him, and we don't even know him, and they're just like, hey, let's get together in this house, and some horrific shit happens.
00:14:52.720 --> 00:14:59.600
I mean it's like in history that I could find in in research is ever said anymore about Jesse Hunter.
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Right, exactly.
00:15:00.879 --> 00:15:10.000
And Jesse Hunter wasn't even an assailant in this case, he was just who was presumed to be the attacker of Mrs.
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Taylor.
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Yeah, do you think like that in conspiracy theory did he really exist?
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Fanny.
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I remembered her name.
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Fanny Taylor.
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Do you remember like, okay, watching the movie and then seeing all this and then the real history and everything of all of it?
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You think that was just all fucking imagined?
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Like, did that guy even exist?
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Because he was a drifter that came through, right?
00:15:34.000 --> 00:15:39.679
Well, I do believe that there was an actual escapey off the chain gang because that was a thing back in those days.
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But was it really like actually documented?
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Like this is a real thing.
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We don't know.
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Yeah, I'm just saying.
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I'm full hat and I'm I'm gonna do a full hat on the on the in the middle of it.
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Things we have things we have moved on too fast from.
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Oh, yes.
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So okay.
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So Sam Carter has now been killed.
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Sylvester has been told to get out of town, but he says no.
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He goes back to Rosewood and gathers about 15 to 20 people in Sarah Carrier's house to hide.
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But then the white mob gets word of this and they surround Sarah's house, and there's a standoff because, like I said, Sylvester is an excellent gunsman.
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He's not scared of shit.
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And then you've got this white mob outside that the Ku Klux Klan has now joined.
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So there was a hundred members of from Gainesville or something.
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A hundred, yeah.
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It was a hundred.
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A hundred members from Gainesville, or I'm sorry, they weren't from Gainesville, they were having a rally in Gainesville.
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Oh.
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Which was right down the road.
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Yeah, that's new.
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I don't remember that part.
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Yeah.
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I didn't say that.
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Did you?
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Oh yeah, I reviewed it yesterday or you know, the day it came out.
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I we always I always listen to us on Fridays, along with you guys, because I want to make sure we did a good job.
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Did we do a good job?
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We did do a good job.
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So you need to watch it or listen to it, not watch it.
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Listen to it, watch it with your ears.
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Watch our recaps, listen to the Friday episodes.
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Yes.
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So now, okay, so there's a standoff at the carrier house.
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Now, Sylvester, he's a badass.
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He does take down two of like the main dudes in this mob of racists.
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But unfortunately, him and Sarah were gunned down.
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Yeah.
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And when they first get there, they they shot the dog.
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Like leave the animals out of all of it.
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Number one.
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None of it's cool.
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None of it's cool, but leave the animals out of it first off.
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So then, you know, they start setting fire to residents and buildings, like landmark buildings, like churches and the post office and the Masonic Lodge.
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They start setting fire to those, and anybody that runs out for safety, get them, they shot them down.
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Horrible.
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Horrible.
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Thriving as beautiful community.
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They're just destroying it.
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Firemut on ice.
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No, no, no.
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I'm just like, I'm just thinking about how scared and horrified because these people have been thriving in peace for a long time.
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Yeah, every time you mention a scenario, I'm thinking of the running.
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I don't know why, but everything's in black and white in my mind.
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But they're running out of the house.
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That's all we can picture.
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They're just fucking massacring people.
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For nothing.
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For nothing.
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Just there's another one.
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Fuck them.
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Because a white woman was cheating on her husband and lied.
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It was a lie.
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You know what I believe though?
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I believe that Jesse didn't exist, and he and whoever that was the sneaky link that was doing whatever with whatever was probably part of the mob.
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He was like hanging out and trying to use that as a fucking excuse.
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No, well, uh the movie portrays, like we did say, and this is historically um talked about as well, that the person that Sam Carter helped was probably her uh Fanny Taylor's lover.
00:19:19.359 --> 00:19:19.599
Right.
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Yeah.
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That's what I'm saying.
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James Wright.
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The whole chain gang dude was just made up.
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That's what I'm saying.
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That's that's that's just what I'm saying.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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But that's just what I'm saying.
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The whole the whole drifter and everything was fucking made up.
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That's what I'm thinking.
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That's what I'm thinking.
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6'7.
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He's not mentioned any other time.
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6'7.
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So now basically, over the next few days, from like I said, from the first to the seventh, the entirety of Rosewood is just burned to the ground.
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Yeah.
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And residents that were not gunned down after fleeing from their home that was set aflame are hiding in the swamp.
00:20:03.119 --> 00:20:07.279
And it was an exceptionally cold winter that year.
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And non-Florida residents are just let me just say here, okay.
00:20:12.480 --> 00:20:17.279
So we do not know what winter is gonna bring to us.
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It can be mild to where it's like 40 degrees in the morning and 70 degrees in the afternoon.
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Or it could be 20 degrees the entire day.
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Let me put this in this perspective.
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Perspective.
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Go ahead.
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Look at you.
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He's already slosh.
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This is the deal.
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This is the deal.
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Go ahead.
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Do your thing.
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I'm allowed to be Harvey and Wallbangered, but okay.
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The decimation of a thriving community.
00:20:44.000 --> 00:20:50.400
And these people are trying to run through a swamp and uh just a desolate area, you know?
00:20:50.559 --> 00:20:52.559
They're running for their lives, right?
00:20:53.759 --> 00:21:00.720
The weather in Florida, though, will go from 80 to 20 in January.
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And that's what it does.
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I have co-workers that are from up north, like near Canada in Montana, and they're they're just like, this Florida weather, bro, it's something different.
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And I'm like, Are you kidding me?
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Like, y'all are used to like negative 15 degrees, right?
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They're like, no.
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The difference between 80 yesterday and 20 tomorrow, that's the difference.
00:21:26.079 --> 00:21:27.440
So it's really insane.
00:21:28.079 --> 00:21:31.359
And it's always a wet, nasty fucking ass cold here in Florida.
00:21:31.519 --> 00:21:33.599
So when it hits, we're in North Florida.
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We're not talking about like Miami or south of Orlando.
00:21:36.799 --> 00:21:38.240
We're in North North Florida.
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North actually, this was like Northwest Florida.
00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:47.599
So they're getting like the Gulf Breeze and everything in that area, but which it makes it even colder because you're getting the ocean breeze.
00:21:47.839 --> 00:21:48.000
Yeah.
00:21:48.160 --> 00:21:53.839
So the difference between that is your body and your just everything is just not ready.
00:21:54.000 --> 00:21:59.039
You know, yesterday it was eighty degrees, and then the next day is like twenty degrees.
00:21:59.119 --> 00:22:07.839
So it just Hits different, and then you have to do track through a swamp and all that with women and children and people that are just running for their lives, you know.
00:22:08.160 --> 00:22:10.000
That really hits different.
00:22:10.079 --> 00:22:15.759
And in a you know, we're not comparing it to negative 20 by no means.
00:22:15.920 --> 00:22:16.640
God no.
00:22:17.039 --> 00:22:23.200
But people that are from that negative 20 area have come down here and been like, oh my God.
00:22:23.359 --> 00:22:25.359
I'm like, I can't, I don't understand it.
00:22:25.440 --> 00:22:33.279
I don't understand any conversation where they're like, I'm I'm talking to you, but you've been in negative 20 degrees, but you're saying that Florida's worse.
00:22:33.440 --> 00:22:34.559
I don't know why it hits like that.
00:22:34.720 --> 00:22:42.960
I've never experienced negative degree weather, but I do have a regular who told me a couple of weeks ago, oh my God, I love this guy so much.
00:22:43.039 --> 00:22:44.559
He's so he's so adorable.
00:22:44.720 --> 00:22:48.240
Little old man, he's a vet, so sweet.
00:22:48.480 --> 00:22:54.480
Uh, we were talking about how, because it was gonna be 20 in the 20s the next day.
00:22:55.039 --> 00:23:09.839
So, you know, I was telling all of my guests to stay warm, stay safe, you know, because I have been at my restaurants long enough to where I have acquired over a hundred regulars, and most of them are senior citizens.
00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:10.240
Right.
00:23:10.319 --> 00:23:12.400
That just means you're doing your your good job.
00:23:12.640 --> 00:23:16.880
Yes, and they love me with my purple hair and my nose rings and my gauges.
00:23:17.039 --> 00:23:19.039
So, I mean, like I'm doing something right.
00:23:19.119 --> 00:23:19.440
Yeah.
00:23:19.759 --> 00:23:23.839
So uh this this particular regular, uh, he's so adorable.
00:23:24.000 --> 00:23:29.599
He wears um like suspenders and flannels and so cute.
00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:39.359
He was telling me that when he was in the service, he had he was because nobody really wanted to do it, and he was like, fuck it.
00:23:39.599 --> 00:23:46.559
He went to a mission in northern Canada where it was negative 72.
00:23:46.960 --> 00:23:47.440
Negative.
00:23:47.680 --> 00:23:49.039
So that's like Arctic Circle.
00:23:49.519 --> 00:23:52.079
That's goddamn Santa Claus weather, man.
00:23:52.799 --> 00:23:55.680
Like what the I can't even fathom that.
00:23:56.000 --> 00:24:00.880
My Florida ass resident brain cannot fathom that.
00:24:01.039 --> 00:24:10.079
The coldest weather I have ever experienced was when we went to Kentucky in January when Jesse's grandmother passed.
00:24:10.160 --> 00:24:12.079
Yeah, and it was 13.
00:24:12.160 --> 00:24:14.720
That's the coldest weather I've ever been in in my life.
00:24:15.119 --> 00:24:19.200
Yeah, I think I remember it being like six at one time, like six degrees at one time.
00:24:19.680 --> 00:24:21.440
Not in our city.
00:24:21.680 --> 00:24:25.599
No, when we went to that trip to Kentucky, I remember it being like six.
00:24:25.920 --> 00:24:32.079
I was like, all right, we're fitting to go over this mountain, and I'm taking her through the hollers and the butcher hollers.
00:24:32.240 --> 00:24:33.039
I'm eating your cherries.
00:24:33.200 --> 00:24:33.920
No, I wanted that.
00:24:34.079 --> 00:24:34.480
You fucking.
00:24:34.799 --> 00:24:36.000
I'll give you one of mine when I drink it.
00:24:36.400 --> 00:24:36.960
Hurry up now.
00:24:37.119 --> 00:24:37.680
Oh shit.
00:24:37.759 --> 00:24:45.039
But um, yeah, that was really cool for us, though, because you you got to be part of uh an award ceremony that was really cool.
00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:45.359
Yeah.
00:24:45.920 --> 00:24:48.160
Side side story, really quick.
00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:53.119
The way the reason we had to go to Kentucky was absolutely terrible.
00:24:53.519 --> 00:24:54.960
That was the passing of his grandmother.
00:24:56.559 --> 00:25:00.240
Even though they knew it was coming, just like with the passing of my grandmother.
00:25:00.559 --> 00:25:06.640
You never are really prepared when your loved one passes, even though you know it's coming.
00:25:06.960 --> 00:25:15.920
But, anyways, uh when we get up there, Jesse, of course, wants to show me, he wants to take me to Butcher Holler, where um Loretta Lynn lived.
00:25:16.000 --> 00:25:17.440
Like I saw her actual house.
00:25:17.519 --> 00:25:22.480
I love, I'm a metalhead through and through, but I fucking love Loretta Lynn.
00:25:23.119 --> 00:25:26.960
And he also took me to her brother's grocery store, correct?
00:25:27.119 --> 00:25:27.519
Yeah, yeah.
00:25:27.599 --> 00:25:29.680
Webb's Webb's grocery store.
00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:34.160
When we're there, that year, what year was that?
00:25:34.400 --> 00:25:35.920
2014?
00:25:36.160 --> 00:25:37.279
Don't do me like this, Lindsay.
00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:38.319
14 or 15.
00:25:39.440 --> 00:25:46.400
I want to say 14 because Silas is still a baby because I have a picture of you walking across the bridge where you got your head stuck in.
00:25:46.559 --> 00:25:47.359
Yeah, the danger.
00:25:47.599 --> 00:25:55.839
I have a picture of Jesse walking across the bridge with Silas over his shoulder, and Silas has the cutest smile on his face, and he's not very old.
00:25:56.000 --> 00:25:56.240
Yeah.
00:25:56.400 --> 00:25:59.039
No, it's 2015 because he was over a year old.
00:25:59.119 --> 00:25:59.359
Yeah.
00:25:59.519 --> 00:25:59.920
Yeah, yeah.
00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:00.799
He's goof boom.
00:26:01.119 --> 00:26:03.599
Because he was born the end of 2013.
00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:05.279
So it was 2015.
00:26:05.359 --> 00:26:06.880
I'm literally beginning of 2015.
00:26:07.200 --> 00:26:12.720
Walking across the bridge where I stuck my head over and watched the spillway of the dam and got my head stuck one time.
00:26:13.039 --> 00:26:13.440
Drama.
00:26:13.680 --> 00:26:14.799
So we trauma dump.
00:26:15.039 --> 00:26:26.480
We go into webs, and that very weekend, Loretta Lynn is being recognized for what was it like a lifetime achievement type award or something?
00:26:26.720 --> 00:26:27.519
Yeah, it was something like that.
00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:30.079
Like her dress is there, like the big sparkle.
00:26:30.400 --> 00:26:31.839
And Crystal Gale, her sister.
00:26:32.079 --> 00:26:33.920
It's all there in the web store.
00:26:35.279 --> 00:26:39.920
A reporter interviews me, which I was not prepared for.
00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:46.160
I was about what did you say, about 60 pounds heavier than I am right now because I was still kind of postpartum.
00:26:46.240 --> 00:26:46.720
It took a lot.
00:26:46.880 --> 00:26:55.759
When you have a baby in your 30s, and then you have a um a tubal afterwards, losing that weight, that baby weight is not easy.
00:26:55.839 --> 00:26:57.599
But I, anyways, none of that matters.
00:26:57.680 --> 00:26:58.559
You were fucking amazing.
00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:12.240
So he I was interviewed about uh Loretta Lynn, who I have been passionately obsessed with pretty much since my teenage years, after I watched the coal miner's daughter for the first time.
00:27:13.119 --> 00:27:17.920
And that was really I was I was on TV uh for the first time.
00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:19.920
Well, no, no, no, not the first time.
00:27:20.079 --> 00:27:24.240
Uh, but I was on the news for the first cool.
00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:25.759
Yeah, I had been on TV before.
00:27:25.920 --> 00:27:30.400
I was up I was in a think sharp competition when I was in fifth grade.
00:27:30.640 --> 00:27:34.799
They jerked her up because she was just looking so beautiful in that web store.
00:27:35.599 --> 00:27:42.000
And her brother, like Loretta's brother, is like hanging out in the store telling us a couple things, and all of a sudden, boom, there's a whole news report thing.
00:27:42.079 --> 00:27:44.960
And Lindsay's like, Yeah, I've always loved Marilla my whole life.
00:27:45.039 --> 00:27:46.160
You know, it's like so cute.
00:27:46.480 --> 00:27:50.160
And I watched the interview and I was like, oh my god, it actually sounds professional.
00:27:50.240 --> 00:27:52.079
Like I knew what if I was fucking talking about.
00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:53.759
Pay no attention to us, though, on this.
00:27:54.640 --> 00:27:55.839
We're not nowhere near professional.
00:27:55.920 --> 00:27:57.599
Look at our sign crooked behind us.
00:27:57.680 --> 00:28:00.480
But anyhow, you did fucking you really killed it.
00:28:01.680 --> 00:28:02.960
Pay no attention, pay no attention.
00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:03.759
She's got it.
00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:04.720
Okay, I got it.
00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:07.920
Uh the letter OCD kick in rather.
00:28:08.160 --> 00:28:09.519
But no, she killed it.
00:28:09.680 --> 00:28:12.240
Like, it was an amazing trip at the same time.
00:28:12.319 --> 00:28:12.960
It was horrific.
00:28:13.039 --> 00:28:15.039
I had to do what I needed to do for my grandma.
00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:19.119
So I'm like, all right, this might be the only time we ever go up here, which I I'm gonna do.
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No, we'll be back.
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We'll we'll be back.
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Northeastern, northeastern Kentucky, and uh I took her over Two Mile Hill, and we went by Meade Memorial School.
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First of all, let's let's let's stop at Two Mile Hill and then we'll go to Mead.
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Two Mile Hill was the scariest thing I have ever experienced in my life.
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So you're it's not a hill.
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I don't want to hold it.
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It's a goddamn mountain with a cliff on the side, and there's no guardrail.
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And I was crying, and we had because we had a baby in the back seat.
00:28:54.720 --> 00:28:58.240
So my oldest and my youngest were on that trip with us.
00:28:58.319 --> 00:29:20.240
Um, my two middle ones had stayed with their grandparents, and because we didn't want to put all of the kids on them, so we figured the oldest and the youngest would be the easiest to take care of and to process this event because the oldest could understand death, and the youngest didn't know what the fuck was going on.
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So I was crying and I was like, Jesse, we have a baby in here.
00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:31.279
Like I was full-fledged, I'm just handling anxiety ridden.
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It's what I remember.
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So I'm just like, and then also all the curves and when he took me to the holler, I did not understand what a holler was what a holler was.
00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:44.079
And holler goes back old English, you know.
00:29:44.240 --> 00:29:53.680
It's you know, you're allowed to say all those crazy ass appellation words and the slangs where it makes you feel ignorant, but that's old English.
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Let that be a thing.
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Let you're allowed to say holler and what and all the appellation.
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You know, I'm saying, like, you know, the whole appellation language really goes back to old English.
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It really does.
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So if you know Loretta Lynn, who the fuck that is, and you've watched the coal miner's daughter, you'll understand you'll you'll have seen her actual house on that movie.
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I saw her actual house in real life.
00:30:17.839 --> 00:30:22.720
And the holler is a very, very, very uh narrow.
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What how describe what a holler is?
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It's a winding cutout between two the hills.
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Not two, but all of them.
00:30:31.759 --> 00:30:34.720
So we're in what we called the man van.
00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:39.839
It was a Dodge journey, and that was what they called the man van back in its day.
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And when he was backing up, I thought for sure that we were going to just back up into our death.
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And die.
00:30:46.400 --> 00:30:53.680
And that's not the first time that that will happen while we are in Kentucky, but we'll talk about the second time another day.
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Nobody makes me die my own death, except for me.
00:30:57.839 --> 00:31:01.839
Anyway, we made it out of the holler, we made it out of Paintsville.
00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:09.440
We uh gave our respects to Jesse's grandmother, and I wish I had been able to meet her while she was alive.
00:31:09.680 --> 00:31:13.279
I did enjoy my time in Paintsville, Kentucky.
00:31:13.519 --> 00:31:17.440
And then later on, when we went to Louisville, that's a whole different world.
00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:19.279
It's crazy.
00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:21.599
Same state, completely different culture.
00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:24.400
Yeah, once you get on past the mountains, it's a different thing.
00:31:24.640 --> 00:31:40.559
Paintsville is very, if you are from Florida, so okay, I'm gonna compare it to okay, so Paintsville is like Lulu, Florida, and then Louisville is like Miami, Jacksonville, Orlando-ish.
00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:44.880
It's a lot more cultured in perspective.
00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:47.359
In perspective, yes, yeah, I get it.
00:31:47.680 --> 00:31:49.920
It's still different though from any of that that I mentioned.
00:31:50.480 --> 00:31:53.680
Five minutes out of Louisville, though, you got Bourbon World, so I love that.
00:31:54.160 --> 00:31:56.240
Well, there's Bourbon World in Louisville as well.
00:31:56.400 --> 00:31:56.640
Yeah.
00:31:56.799 --> 00:32:01.680
I mean, yeah, Elizabeth Town is the most beautiful place I've ever been, and I'm gonna go back and live there forever.
00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:04.000
Yeah, that's our retirement area.
00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:05.200
I love Elizabethtown.
00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:08.079
We're gonna get a boathouse and live in Elizabethtown.
00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:09.039
Oh, yeah.
00:32:09.279 --> 00:32:10.319
Can we do that?
00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:12.960
Well, a little bit further south.
00:32:13.119 --> 00:32:21.279
Like, I really want, I would love to live um on um like Kentucky Lake area or anything like that.
00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:23.680
I would love to live in it just yeah, yeah.
00:32:23.759 --> 00:32:25.279
We'll talk about that later, but yeah.
00:32:25.599 --> 00:32:36.960
And one of my favorite co-workers uh who is now retired from the restaurant that I work at, uh, we are a corporate, so it retirement is a huge possibility with the work that we do.
00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:40.240
Don't shit on serving and tip your servers.
00:32:40.319 --> 00:32:43.519
If you live in America, if you visit America, tip your servers.
00:32:43.599 --> 00:32:43.920
Period.
00:32:44.079 --> 00:32:47.119
Yeah, and if you're from Europe, tipping is rude.
00:32:47.359 --> 00:32:48.000
No, it's not.
00:32:48.160 --> 00:32:49.440
Well, it's not in America.
00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:58.079
No, I'm saying if you're come over here and tip Canadians, Europeans, all over the world, in America, tip 20% if you have good service.
00:32:58.240 --> 00:32:59.759
Why are you giving me this extra money?
00:32:59.839 --> 00:33:01.359
It's already put in the bill.
00:33:01.599 --> 00:33:09.200
So, anyways, um basically, uh we're gonna go back to Rosewood.
00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:09.759
Yes.
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So now the town has been burned to the ground.
00:33:13.119 --> 00:33:20.160
Sarah Carrier and Sylvester Carrier have been murdered, and they have now been buried.
00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:28.640
So um Sylvester's brother, I can't remember his name off the top of my head because, like I said, my notes have been displaced.
00:33:28.720 --> 00:33:30.079
I don't understand where they went.
00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:39.839
But he loaded so uh uh the uh two Jewish brothers that owned the train in the area, they came through and they rescued women and children.
00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:48.160
Men weren't allowed because they were still scared of the white men angry mob, and I can't blame them, they were dangerous.
00:33:48.720 --> 00:34:13.119
So they rescued the women and children, and the other carrier's son went back into town to see what he could do to help after he loaded his family on this train, and he was shot and killed, or first he was told to bury his own grave beside his mother and brother, and then he was shot and killed and buried right beside them.
00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:28.639
And then Hayward Carrier came back from a hunting trip to find his entire existence gone, his family, his town, destroyed, everything gone, and he was never the same again.
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:35.840
He basically went into insane, he went into himself, yeah, and he never recovered until his death.
00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:40.639
Like he went completely insane, which is also completely understandable.
00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:41.119
Right.
00:34:41.360 --> 00:34:42.400
I would probably do the same.
00:34:42.639 --> 00:34:51.360
And as we talked about the whole story after all of this conspired and all the bullshit, they didn't even get any recognition for like 70 years.
00:34:51.760 --> 00:34:59.599
70 years of silence until a author from the Tampa Tribune is that correct?
00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:01.280
Help me remember.
00:35:01.519 --> 00:35:02.559
Oh God, Lindsay.
00:35:02.719 --> 00:35:03.840
It was either Tampa or St.
00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:27.920
Pete in the same area came to Cedar Key and he wanted to know why a predominantly white area at that time, this was the 80s, 82, uh, was now or it was in the 80s it was predominantly white, and he knew from historical artifacts and and and research that it used to be predominantly black.
00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:33.440
And a local in Cedar Key talked to him about the massacre.
00:35:33.599 --> 00:35:44.400
And then he did more research, and he got it put out there into the public, and then the Seminole tribe also spread the word about this after he published his.
00:35:57.519 --> 00:36:12.559
And it was like it was voted on for their uh reparations, for you know, whatever to pay them out money for what they went through for not being protected by the government, which they should have been protected by.
00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:15.920
Um, it was a very meager amount.
00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:21.440
And unfortunately, uh they were voted out 70 or 40.
00:36:21.519 --> 00:36:24.559
It was like 40, 70, yes, 40 no.
00:36:25.199 --> 00:36:29.119
And so 40 people out of this committee said no, they don't deserve it.
00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:35.920
And then the Klan also came out of the woodwork and were like, no, they don't deserve these reparations.
00:36:36.800 --> 00:36:43.760
So they got a measly, so all the descendants, the surviving members and the descendants got a total of 1.5 million.
00:36:43.920 --> 00:36:47.679
The original negotiated amount was 7 million.
00:36:47.840 --> 00:37:01.840
That was it went down to 1.5 million, which was to be dispersed among survivors, their uh proven descendants, and then there was a scholarship.
00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:06.320
Which was nothing there's just nothing, nothing was enough.
00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:16.559
They took their inheritance and their ancestral land all the way and burned it completely to the ground and said, Y'all just move on somewhere else and just forget about it.
00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:20.480
They brought them back down after they had built back up.
00:37:20.559 --> 00:37:20.960
Yeah.
00:37:21.199 --> 00:37:25.599
After they uh uh rose arose from slavery.
00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:29.519
Rosewood was was just a thriving community that was.
00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:42.079
Because a lot of slaves, when they were freed from their owners, masters, whatever you want to call them, um they they really didn't have a leg to stand on.
00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:56.559
So all these people came up from nothing and made a thriving community, which I do mention in the episode was more prosperous than the white community, neighboring community, which was Sumner.
00:37:56.880 --> 00:37:57.360
They were doing better.
00:37:58.480 --> 00:37:59.039
They were doing better.
00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:02.480
So many communities they and they burn it to the ground.
00:38:02.719 --> 00:38:10.239
There's there's more than one community, so you're gonna have to follow along and see us this Friday, also, because there is more than one community.
00:38:10.480 --> 00:38:15.679
This coming Friday, we're gonna talk about another one that happened a couple of years before this happened.
00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:17.920
And Lindsay likes to destroy me a whole lot.
00:38:18.079 --> 00:38:21.599
And thank you for destroying me and for this, and thank you for the recap, Lindsay.
00:38:21.679 --> 00:38:26.320
I'm gonna go cook some steaks because Yeah, so uh happy Valentine's Day, post-Valentine's Day.
00:38:26.400 --> 00:38:27.760
We hope you had an amazing one.
00:38:27.920 --> 00:38:40.159
We're about to cook some steak and potatoes and salad and green beans and mushrooms and garlic, and we're about to eat like lovers and mothers and fathers.
00:38:40.480 --> 00:38:45.199
Yeah, we're lovers, we're fathers, and we're lovers, and we're mothers.
00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:46.320
I don't know how to say it all.
00:38:46.559 --> 00:38:48.239
Give me a high five.
00:38:49.199 --> 00:38:51.360
Thank you, guys, and uh follow along.
00:38:51.440 --> 00:38:53.599
Uh, we got so much to go.
00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:57.280
I mean, we're literally fixing to go and grill out.
00:38:57.519 --> 00:38:58.960
I think I might do a live for that too.
00:38:59.119 --> 00:38:59.920
So follow the live.
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This coming Friday, we are wrapping up our uh Black History Month series for this year.
00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:07.119
I've already got plenty saved for next year.
00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:07.760
Oh, yeah.
00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:09.119
So keep following along.
00:39:09.199 --> 00:39:13.119
And then the following week, we're going to Germany.
00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:16.960
And it's not gonna be a good time.
00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:17.599
Let's go.
00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:20.079
But it's an insane story.
00:39:20.320 --> 00:39:24.639
Um don't eat prior to that one.
00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:25.840
I just want to say that.
00:39:26.079 --> 00:39:31.280
No, don't nobody hushes your mouth like I hush your mouth.
00:39:31.360 --> 00:39:32.159
Like, I mean, you can't.
00:39:32.239 --> 00:39:32.480
You can't.
00:39:32.719 --> 00:39:33.920
So just a little preview into that.
00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:35.920
Um, don't tell me this.
00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:37.119
I don't want to know.
00:39:39.840 --> 00:39:40.960
Let me wrap this up.
00:39:41.039 --> 00:39:42.320
I already got my cable wrapped up.
00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:46.159
Make sure you check out our full episode on the Rosewood Massacre.
00:39:47.039 --> 00:39:51.199
And then if you're in Florida, go go just trek there.
00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:56.159
Take a picture of it, share it, keep the awareness alive.
00:39:56.480 --> 00:39:58.159
Don't let history repeat itself.
00:39:58.239 --> 00:40:00.480
We're gonna say that insufferably forever.
00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:08.719
Yeah, you can't go to uh Otter Creek and you can check out the actual train in that area on 19, and you can actually take on was it 24?
00:40:08.800 --> 00:40:14.559
Yes and go towards Cedar Key, and you can see the little plaque in the area, the actual area where it's at.
00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:17.039
Read the front and back and recognize that.
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Share it.
00:40:18.079 --> 00:40:19.760
We love you so much though, Lindsay.
00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:24.880
I wonder if you're if you're vacationing in Cedar Key, take a trip and just pay your respects.
00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:25.840
Yeah, forevermore.
00:40:26.000 --> 00:40:27.679
Go out there and go fishing in Cedar Key.
00:40:27.760 --> 00:40:28.320
It's cool.
00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:32.320
But we're gonna uh put I'm gonna talk about our plugs real quick.
00:40:32.480 --> 00:40:35.679
So our main website is drinkaboutsomething.sight.
00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:38.400
On Instagram, we are drinkabout something.
00:40:39.039 --> 00:40:46.480
On Gmail, if you want to send us an email with your stories, your thoughts, your concerns, your whatever, just send it, hit us up.
00:40:46.559 --> 00:40:49.760
Yeah, we are drinkabout something pod at gmail.com.
00:40:50.159 --> 00:40:51.119
What am I missing?
00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:52.880
Oh, TikTok live.
00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:55.840
We are drinkabout something pod underscore Lindsay.
00:40:56.400 --> 00:40:57.280
What else?
00:40:57.519 --> 00:40:58.880
Hit us up on YouTube, dude.
00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:00.480
YouTube, Gen Z.
00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:02.639
Yeah, J-E-N-D-S-E-Y.
00:41:03.280 --> 00:41:04.320
That's our names together.
00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:05.280
Gen Z.
00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:08.000
Not like Gen Z, like generations.
00:41:08.480 --> 00:41:10.159
Not Generation Z, just Gen Z.
00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:11.840
J E S like Jesse and Lindsay.
00:41:13.280 --> 00:41:16.320
You're gonna find us and uh share us, and we love you so much, though.
00:41:16.400 --> 00:41:16.880
I wanna go.
00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:17.440
So much.
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:22.079
Yeah, Lindsay say the beautiful magical word that gets me over there grilling steaks.
00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:23.119
We love you.
00:41:23.360 --> 00:41:23.840
Bye.