Cops Realize Psycho Daughters Car Is Filled With Bodies

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All right. You nervous? Hey.
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I'm out here with Miss Cassandra.
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Officers have just arrived at the getaway motel of 28-year-old
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Cassandra Douglas. For the last 24 hours, she and her
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brother have been on the run after three of their
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family members were found dead and burned in the desert.
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Damn.
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99%, this is either an animal or a person.
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That looks like a human, dude.
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And as these local officers prepare to confront the primary
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suspect of the most important case they've ever worked on,
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nothing could prepare them for the horrifying discoveries they're about
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to make. Call the police!
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Anyone inside, make yourself known!
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This is a horrible nightmare.
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What are we looking at here?
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I don't know, you tell me.
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This is one of the worst.
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Things that I've ever wanted to be involved with.
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It's a routine Friday afternoon at the Otero County Sheriff's
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Office when dispatch begins receiving a series of unusual 911
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calls from a young man.
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Communications. Hi, good morning. I'm hoping to file a police
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report and I might need some assistance doing so.
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Okay, and what's your first and last name?
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Kane May.
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Okay, and tell me what's going on.
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I've been living abroad for the past six years, and
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I found out that my father died last year, shortly
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after Christmas. I have recently returned home. I'm living in
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New Mexico again, and I was hoping to return to
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the family property. Since his passing, tons and tons of
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family possessions and property have all gone missing and have
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either been sold off, lost, or stolen, and I'm looking
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to reassume possession of the property, but there are people
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squatting in the house.
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Do you know who these people are? I do.
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I could give you.
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First the last names, but not anything much else.
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Kane goes on to clarify that the squatters inside his
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deceased father's property are actually family members, mainly his uncle Victor,
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who allegedly took over the property and is living there
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with Kane's grandmother and his stepbrother. He also seemingly claims
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that his uncle Victor has sold off valuable assets, including
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firearms and expensive jewelry belonging to his father. The dispatcher
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logs the information Kane provides and passes it along for
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legal follow-up. However... Not long after this first contact, on
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a Monday morning in January 2025, Kane calls again. But
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this time, it's for something strangely different.
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Dispatch.
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Hi there. I was calling because I'm wondering, what would
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it take for me to request a wellness check on somebody?
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A welfare check on.
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My grandmother, Mary Mouser.
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Okay.
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The sergeant is aware. They are on an emergency call
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right now. As soon as they are done, they will
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head up there to do a welfare check.
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Okay, excellent.
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Thank you, ma'am.
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You're welcome.
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A couple of hours after Kane requests a welfare check
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for his grandmother, Mary, he calls police again for the
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third time to share new updates.
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To the Rosa Communications, you're on a recorded line.
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How can I help you?
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Hi, my name is Kane. I called early regarding your involvement.
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So Sergeant Nordquist is going to give you a call back.
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They have not responded there yet because they've been tied
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up with a warrant service where the person doesn't want
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to come out.
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No, that's okay. We stopped by on our way down,
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and everything is locked up tight. That's why I was
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returning your call because you said that I should call
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you back.
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All right.
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And, like, if they're tied up with an emergency, we've
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got to worry about the officers and make.
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Sure that they're still there.
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Thank you so much for understanding. Okay, I will let
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the sergeant know then.
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Following this latest call from Kane, the welfare check is
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officially cancelled, and officers are no longer dispatched to the property.
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At this point, the dispatcher has no reason to suspect
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anything other than some kind of family dispute, and the
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situation appears to have resolved itself for now. In reality,
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something far more calculated is already in motion, and the
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family involved will soon be implicated in a scheme that
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will lead detectives down one of the most twisted murder
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plots they've ever handled. That same Monday, a few hours
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after Kane's 911 calls, a man arrives at the police
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station in the afternoon with an oddly timed request.
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Hello, sir.
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Hey, how you doing?
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Doing well.
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Sergeant Nordquist. Mike, bless.
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Mike, it's nice to meet you.
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How can I help you today?
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Okay, well, my brother-in-law helps us take care of my mother-in-law.
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Okay.
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And he normally is... Very conscientious about showing up when
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he says he's going to show up and everything.
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Yeah.
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And we have, you know, we schedule him.
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We've been taking care of my mother-in-law for seven years.
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She's 90 years old.
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So anyway, we normally communicate quite a bit during the
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week and stuff, you know.
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So are you wanting to check on him or your mother-in-law?
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No, on him.
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He lives on Nogal?
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Yes, yes.
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And somebody had called earlier.
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We were out busy.
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Someone had called in for a welfare check. But they
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canceled us prior to us getting up there because they said,
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whoever it was, I can go look and find the
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name that said that house was locked up tight and that.
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Nobody was up there.
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The person Sergeant Nordquist is referring to is Mike's nephew-in-law,
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Kane Mays. And it appears that both Mike and Kane
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are concerned about family members. Though the family dynamics are
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becoming tricky to keep up with for the sergeant, Mike
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is about to make one thing about Kane crystal clear.
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Do you know a Kane Mays?
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Yeah, I do know.
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That's part of the problem. Okay, so what's the problem there?
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Okay, well, I think he's trying to keep us in
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court over the book. The house is owned by his father.
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Yeah, well, the owner of the house, okay, was Frank Baret,
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and he's deceased.
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Frank is deceased.
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Yeah.
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Victor, his brother, was living with him along with Cain's
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grandmother and his stepbrother, Killian.
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As Mike continues explaining the complex family dynamics to the sergeant,
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one thing becomes clear. Three people are missing, all close
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relatives of Mike and Kane. But before Mike leaves, there's
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something serious he needs to warn the sergeant about.
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I'm going to get one of my deputies over and
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go out to the address and see what we can see.
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See if we can find something.
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Okay, let me give you some heads up.
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His dad had a lot of guns, Frank, before he died,
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and he taught Kane how to shoot.
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And when Cain came up.
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The other day, I didn't finish my story.
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When I pulled up.
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There, okay, and I hollered out the.
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Window for a bit because the gate was closed, right?
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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And then a person comes to where I can see about.
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This much of him, right?
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Up there.
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And I go, hey, Ben.
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Ben.
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And he goes, no, it's me, Cain.
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When he walks down, he's packed.
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He's armed. And I says, well, have you seen Victor?
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He says, no, nobody's up here.
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Okay.
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So I think if I were you, I would look
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through more than two guys.
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Because I think he knows how to shoot.
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And I don't know if there were any rifles and
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stuff like that where he could be.
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You know.
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But anyway, so I had his phone number. But then
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after I had his phone number, he had my phone number.
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He started texting. Your grandmother's missing. Your uncle's missing. Your
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stepbrother's missing, right?
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And this is what he's talking to me about.
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He's a pathological liar.
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I think he's up to no good.
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You guys got to be really careful.
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He said he just got off the line with Sergeant Nordquist,
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or North. He never called us. We never contacted him.
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It's becoming clear to the sergeant that something is off.
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Sensing this won't be a routine welfare check, Sergeant Nordquist
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takes note of Mike's concerns and prepares to head out
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to the house. What makes this case so unique isn't
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just the crime scene officers we'll soon walk into, but
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the way police have to piece it together, using advanced
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forensics and strategic elicitation to cut through the lies. And
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as the investigation unfolds, this will prove to be one
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of the most resource-intensive cases for everyone involved, with constant pressure,
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long hours, and difficult decisions at every step. Many of
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us deal with our own pressures and emotional struggles, and
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sometimes all it takes is talking to someone to begin
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working through them. There was a time when I got
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into a pretty bad argument with a close friend a
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while back, and it just stuck with me. I kept
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replaying it, what I said, what they said, whether I
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was in the wrong, and I didn't really have anyone
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I could talk to about it without it turning into
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a whole thing or someone picking sides. I just kept
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telling myself I'd get over it eventually, but it eventually
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never really came. And at some point, I realized that
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having someone to talk to who's completely outside of your life,
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With that said, let's get back to the investigation. Approximately
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an hour after talking to Mike, Sergeant Nordquist and a
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group of officers head to the property to conduct a
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welfare check. Based on Mike's previous concerns, officers approach the
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house cautiously in case they encounter Kane.
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I got an open door.
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Sheriff's Office!
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Sheriff's Office, if you're in here, make yourself known!
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Sheriff's office!
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Stay here with search. Stay here with search.
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Gotcha.
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Yeah, I.
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Was going to say, everything's stacked and piled up.
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Puzzled by the home's disarray, officers leave after confirming no
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one is inside.
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With boxes stacked throughout the home and both of Victor's cars,
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the blue and green Subarus missing, officers assume the family
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may have moved out. In reality, the clutter wasn't accidental.
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It was intentionally staged to conceal evidence of foul play,
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and it has done exactly that. None of that is
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apparent now, so Sergeant Nordquist calls Mike on the phone
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to update him on the situation. This is where the
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two men will slowly start to pick up on just
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how sketchy this whole ordeal is.
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Hello, sir.
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So we went up to that address. So we cleared
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the residence.
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There was nobody inside.
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There's no vehicles matching the descriptions of the Subarus you
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gave on the property. But there was no signs of
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a struggle, no signs of any foul play that we
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could determine. There were some boxes that appeared to be
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being packed up. But other than that, that's all we got.
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The thing is, all three people are missing that were
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staying there at the house. But definitely the king is
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the kicker of it. He's the one that did all that.
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He called, got your name, and then he was able
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to send me that text saying that he spoke to you.
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As the sergeant tries to reassure Mike, even he begins
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to wonder if the scene is hiding more than it appears.
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A few hours later that afternoon, Nordquist returns to the
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station and calls Kane, trying to understand why he canceled
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the welfare check and why, most strangely, no one was
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inside the house.
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Hi, this is Sergeant Nordquist at the Sheriff's Office.
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Is this Mr.
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Mays?
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Yes, sir.
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How are you?
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The reason why I'm calling is in regards... Earlier this morning, you.
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Had contacted our office to do a welfare check.
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On a family member?
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That's correct. Who is that family member to you? It's
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my grandmother.
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Your grandmother? Who lives up there with your grandmother at
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the 121 Nogel?
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That would be an uncle of mine and my brother.
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Do you have any information on them attempting to move anywhere?
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I was told that my brother and my grandmother are planning.
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To move soon.
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So the reason why I'm calling.
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Yeah, he was the one.
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Who recommended that we give you guys a call.
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He seemed pretty upset.
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He was looking for Vic.
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Did you text Mr. Bleddy at all today?
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I mentioned that we stopped by and I had given
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you guys a call and.
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Everything was okay.
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Who told you that everything was okay?
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Dispatch coordinator.
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I don't remember her name.
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Because the information that I got was that you called
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back and said you went up there and everything was okay.
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Correct.
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Now, what was in that text message to Mr.
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Bleddy?
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That's what I'm confused with.
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I let him know that I had.
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Tried to call you and the dispatch officer said that
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you were tied up with what sounded like a pretty
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hostile situation.
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The way the text message reads was that you had
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made contact with me. And I know for sure, and
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you know for sure, that that didn't happen, so that
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way it looked kind of weird.
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Naturally, Nordquist doesn't know what to make of Kane's message
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to Mike, in which he seems to falsely claim to
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have spoken with the sergeant. Suspecting Kane is hiding something,
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Nordquist ends the call and immediately requests a search warrant
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for a second search of the house. While they wait
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for the warrant to be processed, all police can do
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now is hope the missing trio turns up safe. A
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hope that is far removed from the gruesome reality awaiting
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them just a few hours from now. Early on a
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Wednesday morning that week around 10 a.m., something strange happens
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about 200 yards from the house where the trio vanished.
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A passerby takes notice and calls 911.
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911.
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911, where's your emergency?
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Yeah, I'm phoning about there's a fire off into the
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mound area.
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I called before about two minutes ago.
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We drove down the road to see if we could
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get a better view of the fire to help you
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guys out.
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Okay.
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Well, we have already.
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Turned out the fire department, so we will get units
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headed that way to see if they can locate.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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I said at the top of that road for.
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A second, they'll be able to see it.
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We'll let them know?
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Shortly after the call, two deputies are dispatched to investigate
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the fire. Once they arrive at the reported location, one
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of them spots something disturbing in the distance. A burned,
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flipped over vehicle matching one of Victor's missing cars.
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I got a tire tracked towards the direction I walked.
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Just follow the path.
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I got the vehicle.
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It's smoking.
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I got Couple sets of shoe impressions, tire tracks, all that.
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99% sure there's a page and a spinal cord in here,
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in this vehicle.
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Right in here. That looks like a human, dude.
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This thing's burnt hot.
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Yeah.
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Well, Buffalo Slater and his team's on the way.
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As officers look inside the car, they can see what
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appears to be the burned remains of three people, two
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badly damaged by the fire, to identify them at the scene.
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Suspecting a homicide, they call in Sergeant Nordquist, and it
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wouldn't take long for him to connect the dots.
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This might be a Subaru that's... vehicle that they haven't
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accounted for yet.
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Look right here.
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Oh, for sure.
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You see it?
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Yeah.
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Do you see a skull anywhere?
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I couldn't look at it in here.
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Just given the circumstances, this actually might be one of
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the missing people.
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What's that right there?
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I was looking at that too. That's a skull cap
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right there.
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Yep.
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By one of our missing people, the missing vehicle.
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From up here?
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Huh?
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From up here? Yeah, I guess Brad.
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He suspects some guy named Kane killed most of his
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relatives that live here. And this vehicle, I think, is
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a Subaru.
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Looks like it. This is really fresh, dude. There's more
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* * * * * * over here.
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He had to have put that himself because it would have.
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Caught this whole * * * * * * place
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on fire.
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What officers are beginning to suspect is horrifying. Not only
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do the burned remains likely belong to the three missing individuals,
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but given how recent the fire is, the person responsible
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may have burned the bodies just hours ago and could
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still be within reach of police. So, once the scene
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is secured and the bodies are sent for autopsy, a
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nationwide bolo is issued for Kane Mays. Although police now
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believe they know what happened and who's responsible, they have
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no idea just how far beyond Kane this plot goes.
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There are more players involved, more targets, and a multi-state
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homicide case that will exhaust every resource police have.
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Identify him.
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We're afraid of him.
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There was one time I should have died.
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Probably should be dead twice.
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And he was so aggressive.
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I thought we were gonna die.
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I thought he was gonna shoot us on the property.
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More than 24 hours after the fire, officers remain unable
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to find or contact Kane, raising concerns that he may
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be on the run. But this is when the initial
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autopsy results come in, confirming what officers had feared all along.
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The burned victims are Kane's close relatives. His uncle, Victor Perea.
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His grandmother, Mary Mouser. And his stepbrother, Killian Mays. Beyond
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confirming their identities, the autopsy offers little actionable insight. At
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least one victim had a confirmed gunshot wound to the head,
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but the other remains were too severely burned to identify
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all injuries. Investigators surmise that the victims were likely incapacitated
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well before the fire was set. Following these horrific findings,
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they begin digging deeper into their main suspect's background. It
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turns out Kane Mays had been living in Canada and
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working as an engineer until just a few months earlier,
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and had several documented domestic incidents involving his wife. Hoping
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she may know where her husband is, officers reach out
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to Kane's wife on the phone, where they'll find out
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she might know far more than that.
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Hello, my name's Justin Mitchell.
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I'm a detective with the Oterican and Sheriff's Office in
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New Mexico.
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Are you Samantha?
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Yes, I am.
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I had a feeling I might receive a call from
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you at some point since I did give you guys
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a call.
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Yes, ma'am.
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Do you want to tell me from the.
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beginning, like, how you met him and your relationship with him?
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I've actually been speaking to the Ontario Provincial Police because
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I thought he was messing with me, like I had mentioned.
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So I'm also filing a case against him right now,
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but because it's Canadian and now he's in America, who
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knows if that's going to... But he was physically violent
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with me, and I have evidence of it. Yeah, we
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just met playing video games online, and we started an
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online relationship. And for a few years, it was just
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basically we would talk. And then one day, he calls
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me up and he says.
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That his father disowned him, and he needs to move
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here right away.
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He always does, I believe. towards me and just in
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general he had a weird attitude towards things uh eventually
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we moved out brace yourself for this one because i.
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I feel that that i didn't come forward told people
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that he had beaten me.
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And now this has happened i'm gonna i'm gonna be
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honest with you like we.
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Both had an alcohol problem but i never drank.
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Before i met him and he definitely like pushed that on.
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Me and he he pressured me to drink a lot
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like there was always a pressure he wanted me to
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do it he just did start hitting me he did
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start getting violent with me probably should be dead.
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Twice Samantha's statements are nothing short of horrifying. But even worse,
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she would share a terrifying recording with detectives, captured during
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one of the numerous domestic incidents involving Kane.
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Can you please let me go?
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And I do every time.
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When you ask, I let you go. I don't want
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you to. Please don't.
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Is this your neck?
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Is this your neck?
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The rest of this recording is too disturbing to play
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on YouTube, but it clearly documents an alleged serious domestic
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violence incident involving Kane. Investigators now know they must act quickly,
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as more people, including Samantha, could be in immediate danger.
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So later that day, after securing approval for the earlier
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search warrant, police returned to the victim's house, but this time,
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they bring specialized chemicals called Blue Star, used to hunt
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for hidden blood, bullets, and evidence that may have been
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cleaned up. And what they're about to uncover would reveal
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just how many crucial clues officers had missed during the
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initial search. Inside the kitchen, detectives spot one of three spent.
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22 caliber shell casings, along with a live. 22 round.
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Using Blue Star, they also detect high-velocity blood spatter throughout
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the home. As the search continues, investigators notice clear attempts
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to clean up the scene, and given the precision and
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speed with which the bodies were disposed of, they begin
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to suspect a grim possibility. This was not the work
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of a single person. But then, officers find something very strange.
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Condoms and pregnancy tests stored with cleaning supplies near the
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well house and septic area. Following these disturbing findings, police
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would continue searching the property and contacting Kane's relatives, worried
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he may already be far away, possibly even on his
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way back to Canada. A few days later, as detectives
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continue searching for leads on Kane, they decide to pay
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Mike and his wife, Lourdes Blatt, a visit. Just like Kane,
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Lourdes also has personal ties to all three victims. Victor
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Paria was her brother, Killian Mays was her grandnephew, and
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Mary Mouser was her brother's partner. But before investigators can
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hope to learn anything about Kane's whereabouts or possible accomplices,
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they must first deliver the tragic news to the couple.
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Yes?
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You've got a nice name.
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Hi, Lourdes, how are you?
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Detective, how are you?
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Bobby.
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Hi, I'm Ashley.
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You mind if I sit down? Well, I would like
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to give you guys a little bit of information. As
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I told you yesterday, I do want to let you
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know that there was a vehicle fire that was in
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close proximity to the house. There were three subjects that
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were not able to be identified today. that were inside
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of that vehicle. I cannot tell you who.
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Those subjects are.
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On the property?
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In the Subaru? I can't tell you what vehicle it
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was for sure right now.
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Again, I cannot tell you who they are.
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I'm really sorry that.
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I even have to share this information with you.
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This is a horrible nightmare.
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I mean, it's horrendous.
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I agree with you 100%.
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This is a murder.
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This is one of the worst things that I've ever
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had to be involved with.
511
00:24:37.640 --> 00:24:42.220
Upon hearing the news, Lourdes is beyond devastated. What makes
512
00:24:42.279 --> 00:24:45.940
this situation even scarier is that she fears whoever is
513
00:24:46.000 --> 00:24:48.240
responsible may not be done yet.
514
00:24:48.269 --> 00:24:54.549
This is He's a psychopath. He's a psychopath. Kate, I
515
00:24:54.589 --> 00:24:56.710
didn't want to say that. I didn't want to drop
516
00:24:56.730 --> 00:24:58.329
him in the doodle, but he's crazy.
517
00:24:59.230 --> 00:25:00.170
You've got to find him.
518
00:25:00.369 --> 00:25:01.190
We're afraid of him.
519
00:25:01.569 --> 00:25:03.910
He hasn't even asked how my mother is, and that's
520
00:25:03.950 --> 00:25:05.869
his blood grandmother.
521
00:25:05.890 --> 00:25:06.339
Oh, my God.
522
00:25:06.359 --> 00:25:07.039
How can this be?
523
00:25:07.119 --> 00:25:09.819
Michael, how can it be?
524
00:25:09.839 --> 00:25:12.140
I don't know.
525
00:25:21.359 --> 00:25:22.380
We hoped for better.
526
00:25:22.440 --> 00:25:25.579
No, it's not even imagination.
527
00:25:25.759 --> 00:25:30.400
We are working on so many different leads right now.
528
00:25:30.539 --> 00:25:33.079
Just catch him so everybody will be safe because he's crazy.
529
00:25:33.140 --> 00:25:36.900
In my worst imagination, I thought I didn't know how
530
00:25:36.920 --> 00:25:38.599
to tell you guys this, but I was going to say,
531
00:25:39.160 --> 00:25:41.140
can you look for the infrared and see if there's
532
00:25:41.200 --> 00:25:42.470
any graves on the property?
533
00:25:42.829 --> 00:25:43.529
That's what I was.
534
00:25:43.470 --> 00:25:44.170
Going to tell you all.
535
00:25:44.190 --> 00:25:46.910
The grave ended up being a car. Something had been burned.
536
00:25:47.599 --> 00:25:49.460
And this has got to be the worst crime of
537
00:25:49.480 --> 00:25:50.660
the year in New Mexico.
538
00:25:50.839 --> 00:25:53.240
I mean, I haven't heard anything this horrendous on the
539
00:25:53.259 --> 00:25:53.839
news lately.
540
00:25:54.259 --> 00:25:54.539
Yet.
541
00:25:55.220 --> 00:25:58.779
Indeed, this kind of killing doesn't happen every day. But
542
00:25:58.839 --> 00:26:01.559
investigators are about to hear another person of interest from
543
00:26:01.599 --> 00:26:04.809
the couple, someone who may know more about where Kane is.
544
00:26:05.519 --> 00:26:08.109
So in our job, you will hear law enforcement say
545
00:26:08.170 --> 00:26:10.410
a lot, you know, it's what you know and what
546
00:26:10.430 --> 00:26:13.029
you can prove. And right now, we're working on collecting
547
00:26:13.049 --> 00:26:16.190
the information so we can prove what we believe we know.
548
00:26:16.430 --> 00:26:18.890
Yeah, see, the thing is, we don't know what he
549
00:26:18.970 --> 00:26:22.779
did all those years, wherever he was. What did he do?
550
00:26:22.839 --> 00:26:23.519
Who did he know?
551
00:26:23.539 --> 00:26:27.000
And we're also working on it. Mm-hmm. We have no idea.
552
00:26:27.079 --> 00:26:30.079
I would even be worried about his sister, Beck and Ross,
553
00:26:30.099 --> 00:26:33.410
the so-called step-sister, you know? That one text he sent
554
00:26:33.430 --> 00:26:37.670
me about Working with the, over in Roswell or whatever
555
00:26:37.730 --> 00:26:38.230
he said.
556
00:26:38.289 --> 00:26:41.170
Yeah, he was saying something about helping out his sister with.
557
00:26:41.049 --> 00:26:42.089
Her crazy ex.
558
00:26:42.150 --> 00:26:43.250
Crazy ex, yeah.
559
00:26:43.289 --> 00:26:44.990
Something like that that you had shared.
560
00:26:45.009 --> 00:26:46.769
Yes, I think it was a relationship.
561
00:26:46.809 --> 00:26:49.039
I kind of remember that at the beginning that she
562
00:26:49.079 --> 00:26:50.519
wasn't with that guy anymore.
563
00:26:50.259 --> 00:26:50.799
Because of that.
564
00:26:51.259 --> 00:26:52.759
It was like I was supposed to feel sorry for
565
00:26:52.799 --> 00:26:53.230
her to me.
566
00:27:01.109 --> 00:27:03.549
Mike would go on to identify the woman in question
567
00:27:03.849 --> 00:27:09.059
as 28-year-old Cassandra Douglas, Kane's half-sister. And based on his
568
00:27:09.119 --> 00:27:12.579
concerns and the evidence from the home search suggesting at
569
00:27:12.619 --> 00:27:19.390
least two people were likely involved in the cover-up... So
570
00:27:19.410 --> 00:27:23.369
with this new lead, the interview concludes, and investigators shift
571
00:27:23.410 --> 00:27:30.579
their focus to Cassandra and her potential connections to the homicide. Coincidentally,
572
00:27:30.759 --> 00:27:33.940
as investigators prepare to call Cassandra the next day, she
573
00:27:34.019 --> 00:27:38.579
reaches out to them instead, with a very peculiar 911 call.
574
00:27:38.599 --> 00:27:43.099
Hi, is there any way that you would mind putting
575
00:27:43.180 --> 00:27:45.400
in a welfare check on my brother, Kane Mace?
576
00:27:45.940 --> 00:27:46.759
What's the address?
577
00:27:47.099 --> 00:27:51.549
He told me that he was going to 680 Cox Canyon, Cloudcroft,
578
00:27:51.589 --> 00:27:52.180
New Mexico.
579
00:27:52.180 --> 00:27:54.450
680 Cox Canyon?
580
00:27:54.829 --> 00:27:55.309
Yes, ma'am.
581
00:27:55.349 --> 00:27:58.069
He was supposed to meet up with our uncle and
582
00:27:58.250 --> 00:28:00.910
told me that if he didn't come back last night,
583
00:28:01.170 --> 00:28:02.890
and definitely if he didn't come back in the morning,
584
00:28:02.930 --> 00:28:05.170
that I needed to call you guys. He's been part
585
00:28:05.210 --> 00:28:08.250
of a missing persons thing, and Mike has been acting
586
00:28:08.289 --> 00:28:09.940
very aggressive and hostile towards us.
587
00:28:10.690 --> 00:28:14.170
Not only is Cassandra claiming her brother Kane is also missing,
588
00:28:14.390 --> 00:28:16.950
but she's suggesting that her uncle Mike might have something
589
00:28:16.990 --> 00:28:20.250
to do with it. Once investigators catch wind of this
590
00:28:20.250 --> 00:28:24.150
911 call, they immediately sense something is off. The timing
591
00:28:24.349 --> 00:28:27.329
is highly suspicious, almost as if it's part of a
592
00:28:27.390 --> 00:28:31.089
plan to deflect suspicion away from Kane. So later that day,
593
00:28:31.390 --> 00:28:34.069
officers are sent to her address with one goal in mind,
594
00:28:34.390 --> 00:28:37.880
assess the situation and determine whether her claims hold any
595
00:28:37.910 --> 00:28:41.619
weight or if it's just an attempt to mislead the investigation.
596
00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:41.740
Hello?
597
00:28:44.900 --> 00:28:45.420
Hello.
598
00:28:45.799 --> 00:28:46.039
Hi.
599
00:28:46.140 --> 00:28:46.819
Are you Candace?
600
00:28:47.380 --> 00:28:48.880
No, Candace is across the street.
601
00:28:49.059 --> 00:28:50.660
Okay, what's, are you Cassandra?
602
00:28:50.799 --> 00:28:51.140
I am.
603
00:28:51.420 --> 00:28:53.380
Okay. So my name's Ryan Poston Reader.
604
00:28:53.660 --> 00:28:53.819
Hi.
605
00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:55.859
I'm a detective with the Rio Doso Police Department.
606
00:28:56.019 --> 00:28:56.400
Hello.
607
00:28:56.420 --> 00:28:57.740
Do you have a second to talk to me?
608
00:28:57.759 --> 00:28:58.519
What's up?
609
00:28:59.140 --> 00:29:02.150
Um, so did you make a 911 call for a
610
00:29:02.190 --> 00:29:02.950
welfare check?
611
00:29:03.369 --> 00:29:04.410
I did for Kane Mace.
612
00:29:04.470 --> 00:29:04.930
For Kane.
613
00:29:05.269 --> 00:29:05.450
Yeah.
614
00:29:05.490 --> 00:29:05.730
Yeah.
615
00:29:05.930 --> 00:29:08.569
That was you that made that call. Okay. Have you
616
00:29:08.630 --> 00:29:09.269
heard from Kane?
617
00:29:09.289 --> 00:29:10.049
I have not.
618
00:29:10.390 --> 00:29:11.710
No, you still haven't heard from him?
619
00:29:12.009 --> 00:29:12.589
I have not.
620
00:29:12.769 --> 00:29:13.650
How do you know Kane?
621
00:29:14.230 --> 00:29:15.009
He's my brother.
622
00:29:15.190 --> 00:29:15.630
He's your brother.
623
00:29:15.650 --> 00:29:16.230
Or my half-brother.
624
00:29:16.859 --> 00:29:18.339
And when was the last time you heard from him?
625
00:29:19.980 --> 00:29:22.279
Um, he was supposed to go up to meet with Mike,
626
00:29:22.299 --> 00:29:26.460
I think on the 21st. He told me that if
627
00:29:26.500 --> 00:29:30.369
he didn't show up, by the morning of the 22nd
628
00:29:31.250 --> 00:29:34.240
that I needed to file a missing persons report because
629
00:29:34.259 --> 00:29:35.680
I already have three family members missing.
630
00:29:35.940 --> 00:29:37.099
Killian and Mary.
631
00:29:36.839 --> 00:29:40.880
Were supposed to go up to Albuquerque. I haven't seen
632
00:29:40.890 --> 00:29:42.680
those two alive since 11-23.
633
00:29:42.779 --> 00:29:43.819
Give me just a second. Okay.
634
00:29:46.599 --> 00:29:50.579
Officers have no clue at this point, but Cassandra isn't alone.
635
00:29:51.099 --> 00:29:55.339
Right this moment, their prime suspect, Kane Mays, is hiding
636
00:29:55.420 --> 00:29:58.720
inside the very house they're standing in front of.
637
00:30:01.380 --> 00:30:04.819
Sorry, we're also having issues with a psychotic ex of mine.
638
00:30:04.900 --> 00:30:05.440
Oh, jeez.
639
00:30:05.759 --> 00:30:06.839
You're going through a lot right now.
640
00:30:07.140 --> 00:30:07.680
A little bit.
641
00:30:07.859 --> 00:30:12.319
And then with Kane going missing and Mike presumably having, like,
642
00:30:12.640 --> 00:30:15.859
over half of his guns, it's a really, really long story.
643
00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:16.559
Okay.
644
00:30:16.599 --> 00:30:18.799
And not one that I'm 100% familiar with.
645
00:30:18.819 --> 00:30:18.960
Okay.
646
00:30:19.000 --> 00:30:24.440
Because Kane just came back into my life September of
647
00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:27.779
last year. So, like, I wish I had all my
648
00:30:27.819 --> 00:30:28.339
facts straight.
649
00:30:28.359 --> 00:30:28.539
Okay.
650
00:30:29.170 --> 00:30:32.190
I completely understand. No big deal. How did they come
651
00:30:32.230 --> 00:30:32.690
into your life?
652
00:30:33.890 --> 00:30:34.309
Through Cain.
653
00:30:34.670 --> 00:30:37.839
Okay. So Cain comes into your life and then now
654
00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:39.460
you meet Mary and Killian.
655
00:30:40.240 --> 00:30:40.539
Okay.
656
00:30:40.859 --> 00:30:43.680
And then now all of them are missing. And have
657
00:30:43.720 --> 00:30:46.460
you talked, did you ever have direct contact with Mike?
658
00:30:47.599 --> 00:30:50.019
I never had direct contact with Mike. No, I just
659
00:30:50.039 --> 00:30:51.720
heard him screaming from the hill both times.
660
00:30:52.430 --> 00:30:56.150
As she did earlier, Cassandra doubles down on her accusations,
661
00:30:56.589 --> 00:31:00.990
suggesting that officers should focus on Mike, implying he may
662
00:31:01.029 --> 00:31:04.210
be involved in the disappearances. Officers take note of her
663
00:31:04.269 --> 00:31:06.309
statements and ask her to give them a call if
664
00:31:06.349 --> 00:31:10.650
Kane shows up again. Their goal remains unclear, but now
665
00:31:10.690 --> 00:31:14.640
that they have a story, they can start verifying. So
666
00:31:14.680 --> 00:31:17.640
a few hours later, as police continue looking for Kane,
667
00:31:17.859 --> 00:31:20.309
an officer decides to stop by the neighborhood again and
668
00:31:20.410 --> 00:31:22.650
speak with Cassandra's neighbors to see if they've heard or
669
00:31:22.690 --> 00:31:27.259
seen anything. According to them, Cassandra hasn't been living alone.
670
00:31:27.279 --> 00:31:30.119
A man with long dark hair has been staying with
671
00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:33.859
her for the past few months. Additionally, witnesses report seeing
672
00:31:33.900 --> 00:31:37.450
the same man driving Victor's missing green Subaru, and that
673
00:31:37.470 --> 00:31:40.930
it was also seen parked outside Cassandra's residence multiple times.
674
00:31:41.349 --> 00:31:44.829
Realizing the description of the man matches Kane, officers return
675
00:31:44.849 --> 00:31:47.839
to the station to dig deeper into Cassandra's earlier claims,
676
00:31:48.059 --> 00:31:53.500
where they will very quickly uncover some major contradictions. Even
677
00:31:53.519 --> 00:31:57.630
though Cassandra insisted she had only recently met Kane, investigators
678
00:31:57.670 --> 00:32:01.029
discover an older Facebook photo of the two together, proof
679
00:32:01.069 --> 00:32:04.339
they've known each other for years. But that's just the
680
00:32:04.420 --> 00:32:07.680
first lie, because officers who were out looking for Kane
681
00:32:07.700 --> 00:32:33.180
also found Thank you for watching. At this point, investigators
682
00:32:33.279 --> 00:32:37.029
are unsure if Cassandra is actively hiding a wanted fugitive,
683
00:32:37.289 --> 00:32:40.150
or if she's being controlled and forced to cooperate with
684
00:32:40.230 --> 00:32:43.420
someone who has already killed three members of her own family.
685
00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:50.450
With suspicion mounting, detectives obtain a search warrant for Cassandra's house. Then,
686
00:32:50.470 --> 00:32:53.690
around 8 p.m. that night, a group of officers return
687
00:32:53.710 --> 00:32:56.769
to the property, taking up positions outside the house as
688
00:32:56.809 --> 00:32:58.069
they prepare to raid it.
689
00:32:59.269 --> 00:33:02.490
Occupants of 7 Morningside, this is the Roswell Police Department.
690
00:33:03.130 --> 00:33:04.619
Exit the front door with your hands up.
691
00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:05.029
Do it now.
692
00:33:18.809 --> 00:33:24.309
You got a shield?
693
00:33:24.609 --> 00:33:24.809
Yep.
694
00:33:29.369 --> 00:33:29.950
Roger, police.
695
00:33:29.970 --> 00:33:30.490
Search warrant.
696
00:33:30.509 --> 00:33:44.210
I guess we're just going to boot this thing.
697
00:33:44.569 --> 00:33:44.869
One more.
698
00:33:45.369 --> 00:33:53.460
One more. Rolls of police.
699
00:33:53.519 --> 00:33:56.940
Anyone inside, make yourself known. All right, we're going to
700
00:33:57.420 --> 00:33:58.460
pull in. I'm going to take left.
701
00:33:58.759 --> 00:33:59.160
Ready?
702
00:34:04.069 --> 00:34:05.349
Small room.
703
00:34:05.369 --> 00:34:06.029
Got another door here.
704
00:34:08.170 --> 00:34:13.250
Ready? Yep.
705
00:34:13.269 --> 00:34:13.909
I'm going to go.
706
00:34:14.130 --> 00:34:17.769
I got a hallway with the refrigerator kitchen. Three on me.
707
00:34:17.909 --> 00:34:26.539
Moving up. I think Cassandra Jolly is the one that
708
00:34:26.559 --> 00:34:27.019
lived here, huh?
709
00:34:27.239 --> 00:34:27.400
Yeah.
710
00:34:30.619 --> 00:34:32.900
Look, they got some La Morte stuff right here. Santa Morte.
711
00:34:35.500 --> 00:34:35.889
There's a.
712
00:34:36.199 --> 00:34:36.469
See that?
713
00:34:39.849 --> 00:34:40.849
Wait. Yep.
714
00:34:47.130 --> 00:34:49.889
Right here.
715
00:34:50.900 --> 00:34:52.800
This one's been hanging out because there's not.
716
00:34:53.599 --> 00:34:54.380
Monitor for the.
717
00:34:54.340 --> 00:34:55.340
Camera that's in the window?
718
00:34:55.360 --> 00:34:58.949
What are those guys on a fucking terrorist watch?
719
00:34:59.170 --> 00:35:00.789
Did you remember what those cigarette packs were?
720
00:35:01.469 --> 00:35:03.030
I had a Marlboro and then I had a.
721
00:35:03.559 --> 00:35:05.440
Yeah, I saw that one in the closet.
722
00:35:05.539 --> 00:35:07.159
Your big cans are all over this room.
723
00:35:08.360 --> 00:35:09.409
Your Red Bull cans.
724
00:35:10.619 --> 00:35:14.840
Inside, something about the house immediately feels off to the officers,
725
00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:19.960
as they observe unusual posters, graffiti, and other unsettling details
726
00:35:20.019 --> 00:35:23.599
scattered throughout. They then make their way into the bathroom,
727
00:35:24.059 --> 00:35:28.059
where one officer recalls hearing that something might be hidden
728
00:35:28.500 --> 00:35:29.840
underneath the house.
729
00:35:29.860 --> 00:35:33.900
I highly doubt that.
730
00:35:33.960 --> 00:35:35.579
The back door was open?
731
00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:35.860
No, it wasn't.
732
00:35:35.940 --> 00:35:38.949
I'm sure this is what he was referring to.
733
00:35:39.889 --> 00:35:42.510
Um, like under all this?
734
00:35:43.050 --> 00:35:44.210
That's what he said.
735
00:35:44.510 --> 00:35:46.150
The neighbor across the street said that he used to
736
00:35:46.170 --> 00:35:46.550
live here.
737
00:35:46.989 --> 00:35:48.889
And then there's a door underneath the Washington Garden.
738
00:35:49.389 --> 00:35:50.199
At least to the basement.
739
00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:53.539
Because didn't they say there was another secret exit or
740
00:35:53.559 --> 00:35:54.039
something here?
741
00:35:54.059 --> 00:35:55.460
There's a couple windows.
742
00:35:55.760 --> 00:35:56.380
What do they go to?
743
00:35:56.719 --> 00:35:57.599
Do you use a field in?
744
00:35:57.800 --> 00:35:58.800
They look up there already or no?
745
00:35:58.820 --> 00:36:02.719
Ready?
746
00:36:13.110 --> 00:36:17.730
Go ahead.
747
00:36:18.030 --> 00:36:18.690
I'll hold.
748
00:36:20.380 --> 00:36:24.420
It.
749
00:36:41.730 --> 00:36:43.150
No dust on it.
750
00:36:44.840 --> 00:36:45.599
Oh, that'll fit.
751
00:36:48.860 --> 00:36:49.159
That?
752
00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:50.099
Mm-hmm.
753
00:36:52.059 --> 00:36:52.639
You know what I mean?
754
00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:53.420
Oh, yeah.
755
00:36:53.460 --> 00:36:54.159
That's too new.
756
00:36:54.440 --> 00:36:55.659
It's still a game.
757
00:36:56.199 --> 00:36:56.679
Mm-hmm.
758
00:36:58.489 --> 00:36:59.949
All right.
759
00:37:03.769 --> 00:37:04.849
Got our water leak.
760
00:37:14.199 --> 00:37:15.800
Kind of weird to have a door right there, too, huh?
761
00:37:23.679 --> 00:37:27.730
At the center of the basement sits a plastic storage tote, toolbox,
762
00:37:28.190 --> 00:37:32.289
duffel bags, and other various items. Officers noticed there's no
763
00:37:32.349 --> 00:37:35.760
dust on the items, and whoever left them behind was
764
00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:39.579
in a hurry, possibly trying to leave unnoticed. Beyond the basement,
765
00:37:39.860 --> 00:37:43.400
police would go on to find something highly suspicious, documents
766
00:37:43.659 --> 00:37:47.300
belonging to one of the victims, alongside paperwork linked to
767
00:37:47.340 --> 00:37:52.360
Kane's father and live. 22 caliber ammunition. Following these discoveries,
768
00:37:52.630 --> 00:37:55.710
investigators secure the scene and begin working to obtain a
769
00:37:55.769 --> 00:38:00.070
real-time location warrant for Cassandra's phone. With their suspicions growing
770
00:38:00.110 --> 00:38:03.630
that Cassandra fled with Kane, officers know they need to
771
00:38:03.690 --> 00:38:07.570
locate them quickly before they vanish, potentially escaping to Canada.
772
00:38:11.440 --> 00:38:16.360
Twelve hours later, investigators strike gold. The warrant for Cassandra's
773
00:38:16.420 --> 00:38:20.889
phone is successfully approved. And in a major development, Verizon
774
00:38:20.949 --> 00:38:25.750
pings Cassandra's phone nearly 1,000 miles away. She's no longer
775
00:38:25.789 --> 00:38:29.880
in New Mexico, but in Hernando, Mississippi, inside a Super
776
00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:34.159
8 motel. With this discovery, the case becomes multi-state, with
777
00:38:34.239 --> 00:38:38.000
police in Mississippi quickly briefed on the investigation. Officers are
778
00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:41.690
then dispatched to locate Cassandra. This is the final phase
779
00:38:41.730 --> 00:38:44.550
in the case, and what happens next will determine whether
780
00:38:44.610 --> 00:38:47.500
police get the critical answers they need or lose the
781
00:38:47.539 --> 00:38:51.409
lead entirely. As officers make their way to the Super
782
00:38:51.409 --> 00:38:55.170
8 Motel, their primary objectives are to extract information about
783
00:38:55.210 --> 00:38:59.400
Kane's whereabouts, test Cassandra's statements, and determine how deeply she
784
00:38:59.460 --> 00:39:02.679
may have been involved in the homicide of her own relatives.
785
00:39:03.019 --> 00:39:07.440
When officers finally arrive at the motel, something immediately feels.
786
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:08.440
off.
787
00:39:10.610 --> 00:39:10.929
That's it.
788
00:39:12.710 --> 00:39:12.909
Mr.
789
00:39:13.010 --> 00:39:13.949
Or actually, technically, I'm Douglas.
790
00:39:13.969 --> 00:39:15.829
Because I still have my ex's last name.
791
00:39:17.170 --> 00:39:17.289
So.
792
00:39:17.710 --> 00:39:20.349
What's going on? What are we looking at here?
793
00:39:20.409 --> 00:39:21.440
I don't know.
794
00:39:21.460 --> 00:39:25.760
You tell me. All I know is that my brother
795
00:39:25.780 --> 00:39:27.110
went missing on the 21st.
796
00:39:28.150 --> 00:39:29.809
We were trying to investigate his property.
797
00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:32.380
We thought Mary and Julian had left.
798
00:39:33.179 --> 00:39:36.719
And Mike came down and started being aggressive and hateful
799
00:39:36.780 --> 00:39:37.780
and shooting rounds.
800
00:39:38.619 --> 00:39:42.019
And we've already tried to file this with the Roswell Police.
801
00:39:41.800 --> 00:39:43.260
Department down in New Mexico.
802
00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:45.260
Would you consent to a search of your vehicle?
803
00:39:45.969 --> 00:39:47.190
I'm going to search the car and he's.
804
00:39:47.130 --> 00:39:47.769
Going to search the ramp.
805
00:39:47.829 --> 00:39:48.349
I don't care.
806
00:39:48.570 --> 00:39:48.769
Okay.
807
00:39:49.969 --> 00:39:54.409
Interestingly, Cassandra now seems on the verge of an emotional
808
00:39:54.449 --> 00:39:59.460
breakdown for reasons the officers are yet to understand. After all,
809
00:39:59.840 --> 00:40:03.780
only 24 hours have passed and seemingly no new information
810
00:40:03.820 --> 00:40:06.840
has been relayed to her. Neither news of the murder,
811
00:40:07.179 --> 00:40:09.769
nor that Kane is the main suspect, nor that her
812
00:40:09.829 --> 00:40:13.010
house was just searched. So to get to the bottom
813
00:40:13.050 --> 00:40:16.769
of her emotional reaction, Mississippi officers on scene coordinate a
814
00:40:16.809 --> 00:40:20.050
call with Special Agent Kyle Graham in New Mexico, who's
815
00:40:20.070 --> 00:40:23.789
been tracking the growing list of contradictions in Cassandra's statements.
816
00:40:24.190 --> 00:40:27.780
Using those inconsistencies, the detective is about to carefully test
817
00:40:27.860 --> 00:40:30.559
Cassandra's story and see how far she cracks.
818
00:40:30.579 --> 00:40:33.130
Do you mind grabbing those, taking your waffles upstairs and.
819
00:40:33.730 --> 00:40:35.030
I'm not upstairs. I'm downstairs.
820
00:40:35.130 --> 00:40:35.800
Don't do that.
821
00:40:35.820 --> 00:40:35.929
1-8-4.
822
00:40:35.969 --> 00:40:39.260
You spoke.
823
00:40:41.659 --> 00:40:43.800
With the detectives two days ago at your house in.
824
00:40:43.820 --> 00:40:44.679
Roswell, correct?
825
00:40:44.920 --> 00:40:45.219
Yeah.
826
00:40:45.980 --> 00:40:47.840
The day the welder showed up and I had to leave.
827
00:40:48.519 --> 00:40:50.489
So I brought them over here to Mississippi.
828
00:40:50.510 --> 00:40:53.170
Why is that anything wrong?
829
00:40:53.190 --> 00:40:56.329
No, there's nothing wrong with that. What we're trying to
830
00:40:56.349 --> 00:40:59.110
do is we're trying to figure out what's going on
831
00:41:00.050 --> 00:41:00.769
with the family.
832
00:41:03.300 --> 00:41:03.940
I don't know.
833
00:41:03.960 --> 00:41:08.519
I haven't even, like, I just.
834
00:41:08.360 --> 00:41:12.679
Met Jillian and my grandmother for the first time in
835
00:41:12.840 --> 00:41:14.599
my entire life in November.
836
00:41:17.380 --> 00:41:17.659
No.
837
00:41:17.679 --> 00:41:20.659
I don't know.
838
00:41:21.239 --> 00:41:23.469
The house was empty and there were boxes in the
839
00:41:23.510 --> 00:41:24.329
middle of the living room.
840
00:41:24.750 --> 00:41:26.170
That was his dad's property.
841
00:41:27.050 --> 00:41:29.570
He was supposed to go to him afterwards, but he
842
00:41:29.630 --> 00:41:30.190
wasn't here.
843
00:41:30.250 --> 00:41:31.409
He had to go up to Canada.
844
00:41:31.789 --> 00:41:34.050
And so who was driving in the dead house?
845
00:41:34.409 --> 00:41:35.429
Like, who could drive a car?
846
00:41:36.469 --> 00:41:37.849
I don't... They all could.
847
00:41:38.449 --> 00:41:39.789
I know that they had that.
848
00:41:39.679 --> 00:41:41.679
Little blue car.
849
00:41:42.119 --> 00:41:43.380
And who was driving the green car?
850
00:41:44.300 --> 00:41:45.059
That I don't know.
851
00:41:45.519 --> 00:41:48.480
As far as I know, that car is not drivable. Well,
852
00:41:48.519 --> 00:41:51.929
we have video of King driving the green Subaru.
853
00:41:53.309 --> 00:41:53.510
Huh.
854
00:41:54.130 --> 00:41:56.429
And we have information from the neighbors.
855
00:41:56.110 --> 00:41:58.789
That the green Subaru was at your house at one
856
00:41:58.829 --> 00:42:02.130
point in time. This is what I want, okay?
857
00:42:02.190 --> 00:42:03.710
I just want honesty.
858
00:42:03.809 --> 00:42:05.429
I know you don't look a little bit more than
859
00:42:05.449 --> 00:42:06.690
what you're telling me.
860
00:42:06.730 --> 00:42:07.349
I don't know if.
861
00:42:07.369 --> 00:42:08.710
You're trying to protect me.
862
00:42:08.610 --> 00:42:09.739
Or if you're scared.
863
00:42:10.469 --> 00:42:13.960
I'm scared because I don't know what's going on.
864
00:42:14.840 --> 00:42:17.199
Okay, well, we've been working this case for three days straight.
865
00:42:19.579 --> 00:42:21.440
And I know a lot more information than I'm telling you.
866
00:42:22.179 --> 00:42:24.860
I'm trying to see if you're going to be honest
867
00:42:24.900 --> 00:42:25.099
with me.
868
00:42:26.239 --> 00:42:30.780
With every sentence, the detective becomes more convinced that Cassandra
869
00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:34.219
is hiding something she fears could incriminate her brother or
870
00:42:34.300 --> 00:42:37.699
even herself. But there is something a lot more concrete
871
00:42:37.780 --> 00:42:41.690
detectives previously uncovered, and the detective is about to leverage
872
00:42:41.750 --> 00:42:44.510
it to completely trap Cassandra.
873
00:42:44.889 --> 00:42:45.750
Are you aware.
874
00:42:45.590 --> 00:42:48.570
That Kane made a police report whenever he got to
875
00:42:48.590 --> 00:42:52.050
the house originally, the very first time, about people squatting
876
00:42:52.090 --> 00:42:52.889
in his father's house?
877
00:42:53.469 --> 00:42:53.650
Yes.
878
00:42:54.230 --> 00:42:57.880
Because they weren't supposed to be there. They hadn't paid
879
00:42:58.059 --> 00:43:01.559
any of the mortgage on it. We found documents showing
880
00:43:01.619 --> 00:43:04.480
that they were still using Frank's credit cards, and Frank
881
00:43:04.500 --> 00:43:07.199
had been dead, and that all of the bills were
882
00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:10.219
still in Frank's name, and they were still using that.
883
00:43:11.690 --> 00:43:12.489
And so I.
884
00:43:12.449 --> 00:43:15.010
Told him that that was illegal, and he needed to
885
00:43:15.030 --> 00:43:15.969
make a police.
886
00:43:15.769 --> 00:43:17.329
Report, because you can't be using.
887
00:43:17.869 --> 00:43:18.269
Don't.
888
00:43:18.130 --> 00:43:19.170
Stick that in my face, honey.
889
00:43:20.230 --> 00:43:21.530
That's like identity theft.
890
00:43:22.030 --> 00:43:23.989
Is it true that King didn't even know his dad died?
891
00:43:24.550 --> 00:43:24.809
Yeah.
892
00:43:25.690 --> 00:43:28.349
He didn't know that his dad died until he came
893
00:43:28.389 --> 00:43:29.030
back to States.
894
00:43:30.050 --> 00:43:31.659
He found his obituary.
895
00:43:32.619 --> 00:43:35.719
He found his obituary shortly before on the internet.
896
00:43:36.099 --> 00:43:37.119
That's how he figured it out.
897
00:43:38.179 --> 00:43:41.159
So almost a year later, he finds out his dad died.
898
00:43:42.139 --> 00:43:43.980
And I know that he's upset about that.
899
00:43:45.550 --> 00:43:47.989
But that's not enough reason to kill somebody.
900
00:43:54.110 --> 00:43:56.710
So then what? So did he kill somebody?
901
00:43:57.369 --> 00:43:57.630
No.
902
00:43:59.730 --> 00:44:02.139
I don't understand what you're trying to accuse him of.
903
00:44:03.320 --> 00:44:05.159
Well, that didn't sound very convincing.
904
00:44:05.260 --> 00:44:11.380
I don't know what he's trying to accuse him of.
905
00:44:11.400 --> 00:44:12.960
That doesn't sound very convincing.
906
00:44:14.860 --> 00:44:18.699
Sure enough, that doesn't sound too convincing to the detective,
907
00:44:18.980 --> 00:44:23.159
because Cassandra has seemingly slipped up. At this point, no
908
00:44:23.219 --> 00:44:25.380
one had told her that the missing family members were
909
00:44:25.460 --> 00:44:29.090
dead or that Kane was suspected of killing them. Realizing
910
00:44:29.130 --> 00:44:33.650
her mistake, Cassandra quickly starts backpedaling to regain control of
911
00:44:33.690 --> 00:44:34.429
the narrative.
912
00:44:34.469 --> 00:44:37.730
You got anything else, Cassandra, that you want to tell me?
913
00:44:37.750 --> 00:44:40.820
Do you really think Kane killed them or hurt them?
914
00:44:42.099 --> 00:44:42.940
I'm pretty concerned.
915
00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:46.019
I mean, I don't think three people just vanish off
916
00:44:46.059 --> 00:44:47.960
the face of the earth, especially when.
917
00:44:47.900 --> 00:44:49.940
Two of them are elderly.
918
00:44:49.960 --> 00:44:53.800
And then Katie just comes in from Canada and all
919
00:44:53.840 --> 00:44:54.519
hell breaks loose.
920
00:44:54.940 --> 00:44:56.239
That's kind of suspicious to me.
921
00:44:56.840 --> 00:44:59.139
God, I'm so stupid. I wouldn't even think to put
922
00:44:59.179 --> 00:45:00.440
two and two together like that.
923
00:45:02.349 --> 00:45:04.150
But Mike, Mike was so f * * * ing
924
00:45:04.210 --> 00:45:04.889
scary when.
925
00:45:04.750 --> 00:45:05.429
He came down.
926
00:45:05.710 --> 00:45:07.090
And he was so aggressive.
927
00:45:07.989 --> 00:45:09.269
And I thought we were gonna die.
928
00:45:09.329 --> 00:45:11.909
I thought he was gonna shoot us on the property. Well,
929
00:45:11.949 --> 00:45:13.309
you didn't even see that he had a gun.
930
00:45:14.710 --> 00:45:17.449
And he told me that he had one. And he
931
00:45:17.510 --> 00:45:18.210
was mad enough.
932
00:45:18.429 --> 00:45:19.949
Oh my god, he was so mad.
933
00:45:22.170 --> 00:45:25.730
As a last-ditch effort, Cassandra goes back to accusing Mike
934
00:45:25.789 --> 00:45:30.179
of being responsible for the disappearances. But, in fact... Officers
935
00:45:30.219 --> 00:45:34.139
in New Mexico have already quietly debunked that claim, information
936
00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:36.829
they are holding back for the right time and place.
937
00:45:37.210 --> 00:45:40.710
Before leaving, they also check Cassandra's car, where they find
938
00:45:40.789 --> 00:45:45.210
belongings hastily packed up. But Cassandra explains this as a
939
00:45:45.289 --> 00:45:48.989
desperate attempt to run away from her abusive ex-boyfriend. So
940
00:45:49.070 --> 00:45:52.400
shortly afterwards, the officers wrap up their visit. But in
941
00:45:56.739 --> 00:46:01.739
whenever they want, something she clearly didn't anticipate. It seems
942
00:46:01.820 --> 00:46:05.210
as though the confrontation went nearly perfectly for the detectives,
943
00:46:05.369 --> 00:46:08.710
but Cassandra has a crucial secret that had went unnoticed
944
00:46:08.750 --> 00:46:12.449
at the motel. Kane had traveled to Mississippi alongside her,
945
00:46:12.590 --> 00:46:16.829
was staying nearby, and had successfully hidden from officers, marking
946
00:46:16.869 --> 00:46:20.630
yet another moment where she misleads police about his whereabouts.
947
00:46:21.070 --> 00:46:23.929
So less than an hour after police leave the motel,
948
00:46:24.250 --> 00:46:26.989
the two would begin plotting, coming up with a plan
949
00:46:27.090 --> 00:46:30.880
they think will get them out of this gruesome mass murder.
950
00:46:33.179 --> 00:46:36.079
At 2 p.m., Cassandra's vehicle is seen in front of
951
00:46:36.119 --> 00:46:39.829
the Hernando Police Department. Kane would step out and calmly
952
00:46:39.889 --> 00:46:43.619
walk into the station. Fifteen minutes later... Kane would be
953
00:46:43.659 --> 00:46:48.099
seated in the department's interview room, too, alongside Detective Stovall.
954
00:46:48.559 --> 00:46:52.300
The sudden appearance of Kane would leave detectives with little
955
00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:55.829
room to prepare, so Special Agent Silva, a New Mexico
956
00:46:55.869 --> 00:46:58.769
detective already working this case, would be placed on call
957
00:46:58.809 --> 00:47:01.289
to assist in the interview. It's important to know that
958
00:47:01.309 --> 00:47:05.230
this is an interview and not an interrogation, as Kane
959
00:47:05.269 --> 00:47:08.550
has agreed to speak voluntarily and has not been detained.
960
00:47:08.949 --> 00:47:13.130
In reality... This interview can only work against him. But
961
00:47:13.190 --> 00:47:17.210
in his mind, this is both his and Cassandra's final
962
00:47:17.269 --> 00:47:20.880
chance at freedom. Agent Silva would begin the interview by
963
00:47:20.969 --> 00:47:22.780
making this crystal clear.
964
00:47:23.320 --> 00:47:26.260
And before we get any further, I do want to
965
00:47:26.280 --> 00:47:28.619
let you know that you are not under Miranda rights.
966
00:47:28.639 --> 00:47:31.599
You are not anything like that. You are free to
967
00:47:31.619 --> 00:47:32.320
leave at any point.
968
00:47:32.340 --> 00:47:35.900
You don't have to answer any of my questions, anything
969
00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:36.280
like that.
970
00:47:48.599 --> 00:47:51.650
After realizing he's free to walk out at any time,
971
00:47:51.949 --> 00:47:56.050
Kane shifts tactics. He begins probing the detective for information,
972
00:47:56.409 --> 00:47:59.230
trying to figure out how much investigators have bought into
973
00:47:59.250 --> 00:48:01.849
the false narrative he's been intentionally feeding them.
974
00:48:01.869 --> 00:48:03.550
Can I ask you something?
975
00:48:04.050 --> 00:48:05.090
It's on one hand.
976
00:48:06.559 --> 00:48:09.699
Kind of nice to talk to somebody from Otero. Also,
977
00:48:10.199 --> 00:48:13.679
maybe a little concerning. Did we have to speak directly
978
00:48:13.739 --> 00:48:16.480
because I'm considered a missing person?
979
00:48:16.760 --> 00:48:18.639
Well, that's what I wanted to talk to you about.
980
00:48:19.010 --> 00:48:22.090
There's so many missing persons. There's a lot of phone
981
00:48:22.130 --> 00:48:26.630
calls to the sheriff's office. So why would somebody be
982
00:48:26.690 --> 00:48:27.829
saying that you're missing?
983
00:48:27.869 --> 00:48:30.869
And there's also some other missing reports going on.
984
00:48:30.889 --> 00:48:33.760
There's a lot of firearms missing, right? There's a lot
985
00:48:33.909 --> 00:48:37.699
of vehicles missing. I want to talk to you and
986
00:48:37.719 --> 00:48:38.420
get your side of the.
987
00:48:38.380 --> 00:48:39.500
Story of what's going on.
988
00:48:39.960 --> 00:48:42.239
I was trying to come in and speak with somebody
989
00:48:42.280 --> 00:48:42.760
in person.
990
00:48:43.159 --> 00:48:44.219
And what happened with that?
991
00:48:44.519 --> 00:48:50.829
On my way down to Alamogordo, I gave another uncle
992
00:48:50.849 --> 00:48:53.369
a phone call because I had seen him on the
993
00:48:53.409 --> 00:48:57.170
property and he was a very looming presence at the time.
994
00:48:57.510 --> 00:48:59.989
I was hoping to stop in and ask him about
995
00:49:00.590 --> 00:49:01.699
some things and things.
996
00:49:02.539 --> 00:49:04.530
Some personal aspects that were going on.
997
00:49:05.010 --> 00:49:07.670
I wound up getting run off the property and had
998
00:49:07.690 --> 00:49:09.030
to kind of go into hiding.
999
00:49:08.769 --> 00:49:12.869
Because I know his influence and the extent of his company.
1000
00:49:13.710 --> 00:49:14.750
Which uncle is that?
1001
00:49:15.889 --> 00:49:16.789
Mike Blitt.
1002
00:49:17.769 --> 00:49:21.349
So Mike ran you off the property, you had questions
1003
00:49:21.389 --> 00:49:22.789
for him, is that what I'm understanding?
1004
00:49:23.050 --> 00:49:23.409
Yes, sir.
1005
00:49:23.989 --> 00:49:25.480
So when did this happen?
1006
00:49:26.179 --> 00:49:27.960
It was when I was on my way down on
1007
00:49:28.119 --> 00:49:29.219
the 21st.
1008
00:49:29.920 --> 00:49:33.000
I kind of explained the situation to my sister a
1009
00:49:33.000 --> 00:49:34.400
little bit, and I told her, if you don't hear
1010
00:49:34.440 --> 00:49:35.739
from me, call somebody.
1011
00:49:36.570 --> 00:49:38.570
I know I keep jumping around and just trying to
1012
00:49:38.610 --> 00:49:39.329
confirm everything.
1013
00:49:39.969 --> 00:49:41.050
Kane makes his alibi clear.
1014
00:50:00.579 --> 00:50:03.599
Mike, the man who kicked the entire investigation off in
1015
00:50:03.639 --> 00:50:06.300
the first place, is the suspect detectives need to be
1016
00:50:06.360 --> 00:50:09.480
focusing on, alleging he shot at them through the front
1017
00:50:09.539 --> 00:50:13.420
door when they approached the home. Unfortunately, detectives have spent
1018
00:50:13.539 --> 00:50:17.719
far more time investigating than Kane realizes, allowing Agent Silva
1019
00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:22.030
to completely debunk Kane's story. Simply put, there are no
1020
00:50:22.130 --> 00:50:25.170
bullet holes or any signs of a shooting on the property.
1021
00:50:25.190 --> 00:50:26.530
Okay.
1022
00:50:27.530 --> 00:50:29.880
So so here's the thing, Kate, is I'm going to
1023
00:50:29.889 --> 00:50:33.300
start going through some of your some of your story here.
1024
00:50:33.639 --> 00:50:35.760
OK, that's not making sense to me. I'm not saying
1025
00:50:35.780 --> 00:50:36.380
that you're lying.
1026
00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:38.380
I'm just saying I don't think it's I don't think
1027
00:50:38.400 --> 00:50:43.340
it's fully. Fully there yet, if that makes sense. It
1028
00:50:43.360 --> 00:50:47.829
was kind of cut off.
1029
00:50:47.869 --> 00:50:49.269
Can you hear me?
1030
00:50:49.349 --> 00:50:49.849
Yes, sir.
1031
00:50:50.210 --> 00:50:53.690
You went to Mike's house. Mike shot at you this
1032
00:50:53.769 --> 00:50:55.840
week through the front door.
1033
00:50:56.219 --> 00:50:57.179
You announced yourself.
1034
00:50:57.969 --> 00:51:00.630
How come you didn't call 911?
1035
00:51:00.630 --> 00:51:03.010
I know that they very much do not take too
1036
00:51:03.070 --> 00:51:04.570
kindly to law enforcement.
1037
00:51:07.960 --> 00:51:08.579
Okay.
1038
00:51:08.699 --> 00:51:11.480
And I'm kind of really hoping for that to be avoided.
1039
00:51:11.519 --> 00:51:15.260
So here's the thing on that is I have I
1040
00:51:15.300 --> 00:51:19.590
have some investigators that are there at Mike's house that
1041
00:51:19.610 --> 00:51:23.550
have been to Mike's house. There are no bullet holes
1042
00:51:24.010 --> 00:51:26.769
through his front door. There are no bullet holes through
1043
00:51:28.469 --> 00:51:33.829
through the sighting, they're not seeing you on his cameras
1044
00:51:34.269 --> 00:51:34.849
at his house.
1045
00:51:36.630 --> 00:51:37.909
So that's what I'm saying, that some of it's not
1046
00:51:37.929 --> 00:51:38.449
making sense.
1047
00:51:38.889 --> 00:51:40.909
So did you actually go to Mike's house and knock
1048
00:51:40.949 --> 00:51:41.289
on the door?
1049
00:51:41.309 --> 00:51:42.130
I did.
1050
00:51:42.150 --> 00:51:43.429
Because you're not a camera.
1051
00:51:44.590 --> 00:51:45.769
Did they change?
1052
00:51:46.150 --> 00:51:50.090
His cameras go back this week. They go back last week.
1053
00:51:50.110 --> 00:51:53.989
So I'm not seeing you anywhere on there.
1054
00:51:55.309 --> 00:52:00.980
We had a ton of different game cams that are
1055
00:52:01.059 --> 00:52:03.000
all under.
1056
00:52:04.199 --> 00:52:09.579
SD cards. He doesn't have any of the chips from
1057
00:52:11.860 --> 00:52:12.460
the 21st?
1058
00:52:14.079 --> 00:52:16.940
No, I'm saying he has video surveillance of this week
1059
00:52:17.800 --> 00:52:21.199
and of last week, but they are not seeing you
1060
00:52:21.300 --> 00:52:22.920
anywhere on the cameras.
1061
00:52:24.530 --> 00:52:29.079
Kane appears shocked by these details. Whatever he thought happened
1062
00:52:29.179 --> 00:52:33.159
that could favor his story simply didn't. Kane would sit
1063
00:52:33.199 --> 00:52:37.400
in silence for an extended period of time, seemingly in
1064
00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:41.019
denial that his plan was so terribly miscalculated.
1065
00:52:41.039 --> 00:52:53.820
If they still have the footage... They should totally show
1066
00:52:53.860 --> 00:53:02.059
me pulling up. I parked along the mailbox. Kind of
1067
00:53:02.099 --> 00:53:05.570
behind it a bit, not necessarily pulled up past it.
1068
00:53:07.469 --> 00:53:09.869
Walked right up the drive up to.
1069
00:53:11.210 --> 00:53:18.739
The... It's kind of tucked in between....
1070
00:53:20.219 --> 00:53:22.900
The slope on the hill, and then it goes into
1071
00:53:22.920 --> 00:53:24.659
the house where the stone steps are.
1072
00:53:26.559 --> 00:53:28.460
That metal storm door.
1073
00:53:31.559 --> 00:53:33.159
Okay.
1074
00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:38.010
I'm just trying to give you a, um, path so
1075
00:53:38.030 --> 00:53:38.969
that you can see.
1076
00:53:40.190 --> 00:53:49.210
And that was early afternoon-ish. I got there between one
1077
00:53:49.250 --> 00:53:53.690
and three o'clock. I believe it was. I'd have to
1078
00:53:53.730 --> 00:53:58.659
look it up. I don't have it. But if they
1079
00:53:58.679 --> 00:54:02.489
have that footage still, then I'm definitely on it.
1080
00:54:04.260 --> 00:54:08.059
Kane proceeds to give a nearly 10-minute explanation of where
1081
00:54:08.099 --> 00:54:12.989
he was parked. Unnecessarily complex explanations like these are usually
1082
00:54:13.030 --> 00:54:16.030
a telltale sign to the detectives that the suspect has
1083
00:54:16.130 --> 00:54:20.010
shifted into a defensive state looking for any validation that
1084
00:54:20.030 --> 00:54:24.030
the detective is believing their lies. Agent Silva takes note
1085
00:54:24.070 --> 00:54:27.789
of this and begins leaning deeper, this time pressing Kane
1086
00:54:27.849 --> 00:54:33.380
on his sister Cassandra and her partner. police recovered and
1087
00:54:33.449 --> 00:54:37.780
documented strange items during the home's crime scene search, and
1088
00:54:37.820 --> 00:54:40.920
it's still unclear why they were there. Silva plans to
1089
00:54:41.059 --> 00:54:44.559
use these details to force Kane into defending Cassandra's innocence,
1090
00:54:44.900 --> 00:54:48.260
a tactic that will create a contradicting story compared to
1091
00:54:48.280 --> 00:54:51.159
what Cassandra told officers just hours prior.
1092
00:54:51.179 --> 00:54:55.840
So are you aware that we spoke to Cassandra?
1093
00:54:57.460 --> 00:54:57.699
Yes, sir.
1094
00:54:57.719 --> 00:55:00.940
And the reason I ask is I'm just trying to get.
1095
00:55:02.070 --> 00:55:06.750
Like, if something happened up there, Kane, I want to know, like,
1096
00:55:06.789 --> 00:55:09.170
was there an argument going on? And I know that
1097
00:55:09.210 --> 00:55:11.949
you were up there in January, okay? We can kind
1098
00:55:12.010 --> 00:55:14.059
of get away from that. You were up there in January.
1099
00:55:15.460 --> 00:55:19.739
If something happened up there, I want to know what happened, okay?
1100
00:55:20.079 --> 00:55:23.039
If there was an argument, if something happened, like, kind
1101
00:55:23.079 --> 00:55:27.400
of help me help you, okay? What happened when you
1102
00:55:27.440 --> 00:55:29.519
were up there in January of this year?
1103
00:55:30.210 --> 00:55:33.969
I'm trying to figure out everything that has happened as well.
1104
00:55:34.010 --> 00:55:37.760
That's part of why I wanted to speak with you
1105
00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:39.360
guys and kind of get you.
1106
00:55:39.260 --> 00:55:40.119
Involved in looking.
1107
00:55:41.260 --> 00:55:44.460
I'm going to be honest with you. I'm confused on
1108
00:55:44.480 --> 00:55:49.909
these timelines. You were up there this week at some point,
1109
00:55:50.090 --> 00:55:51.909
and you were up there last week at some point.
1110
00:55:52.389 --> 00:55:54.829
So what happened this week and last week while you
1111
00:55:54.849 --> 00:55:57.530
were up there with the family?
1112
00:56:00.110 --> 00:56:00.869
That's what I want to know.
1113
00:56:02.889 --> 00:56:05.820
They weren't there. Nothing's happened.
1114
00:56:06.719 --> 00:56:08.960
You were at the house in Bend on the 18th
1115
00:56:09.000 --> 00:56:19.010
of January, correct? I'm not sure. The reason I ask
1116
00:56:19.090 --> 00:56:23.489
is because Cassie has been in contact and she showed
1117
00:56:23.550 --> 00:56:30.980
us a screenshot January 18th at 357 It's between you
1118
00:56:31.000 --> 00:56:33.079
and her that says wait quietly.
1119
00:56:32.659 --> 00:56:38.809
And say wait for me. That's actually something that I
1120
00:56:38.849 --> 00:56:40.769
was going to try to find.
1121
00:56:40.789 --> 00:56:45.150
And it says, I believe this is from you or
1122
00:56:45.190 --> 00:56:47.750
from her. That's the text that says wait for me
1123
00:56:47.969 --> 00:56:49.030
and that says I'm safe?
1124
00:56:50.250 --> 00:56:50.769
I'm sorry?
1125
00:56:51.230 --> 00:56:54.389
Those are the texts that say wait and that I'm safe?
1126
00:56:55.809 --> 00:56:57.849
It says I'm safe, wait for me, and then there's
1127
00:56:57.869 --> 00:57:01.170
a response that says At this point, Kane must be
1128
00:57:01.190 --> 00:57:04.460
starting to realize Cassandra.
1129
00:57:04.179 --> 00:57:07.500
May not have been on his side as much as
1130
00:57:07.559 --> 00:57:09.519
he had thought.
1131
00:57:17.619 --> 00:57:20.639
Not only are the police beginning to take a clear side,
1132
00:57:20.820 --> 00:57:23.719
but his only teammate might be against him as well,
1133
00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:27.059
perhaps explaining why she dropped him off at the police station.
1134
00:57:27.539 --> 00:57:30.460
Note that Kane at this point can avoid any question
1135
00:57:30.500 --> 00:57:34.429
he wants, and more importantly, can leave whenever he wants.
1136
00:57:34.829 --> 00:57:37.690
Even Agent Silva decides to take a brief step away
1137
00:57:37.730 --> 00:57:41.530
from the phone, but Kane would stay, instead letting the
1138
00:57:41.610 --> 00:57:44.409
officer in the room in on what's going through his mind.
1139
00:57:46.630 --> 00:57:52.309
Between you, me, and the walls, I really think that
1140
00:57:52.349 --> 00:57:55.920
someone is trying to pin years worth of shit on me.
1141
00:57:57.500 --> 00:57:59.460
Because I came back home at the wrong time and
1142
00:57:59.500 --> 00:58:08.679
interrupted something. I'm just here to help these guys.
1143
00:58:08.699 --> 00:58:12.030
I don't know what you really think is going on.
1144
00:58:15.889 --> 00:58:18.369
That's why I asked him the question, not me sitting.
1145
00:58:19.570 --> 00:58:19.809
Here.
1146
00:58:19.829 --> 00:58:20.010
Mr.
1147
00:58:20.030 --> 00:58:30.440
Silva seems like a trustworthy detective. I used to joke, though,
1148
00:58:30.460 --> 00:58:36.010
and I always say I make a great scapegoat. I'm
1149
00:58:36.030 --> 00:58:39.090
kind of hoping it's not the case this time. I
1150
00:58:39.150 --> 00:58:45.409
came here today to ask you guys for help and
1151
00:58:47.650 --> 00:58:51.469
talk to people that I knew wouldn't be necessarily under
1152
00:58:51.590 --> 00:58:57.280
outside influence. Right. But do you see how it looks
1153
00:58:57.320 --> 00:59:02.889
for us? I mean, they have, they've shown physical evidence
1154
00:59:02.929 --> 00:59:11.880
of this whole situation. One day, you're here in Mississippi.
1155
00:59:12.280 --> 00:59:17.079
No ties to Mississippi at all. Like, you have no
1156
00:59:17.119 --> 00:59:17.639
family here.
1157
00:59:17.880 --> 00:59:18.239
Nothing.
1158
00:59:18.460 --> 00:59:24.780
You have nothing here. Nothing. My family died, man. If
1159
00:59:24.860 --> 00:59:25.380
I was in your.
1160
00:59:26.000 --> 00:59:29.730
If I was in that seat and a detective... 13
1161
00:59:29.730 --> 00:59:32.409
hours away on a cell phone call told me that my.
1162
00:59:33.190 --> 00:59:35.880
Who are they to you? My brother, my brother and
1163
00:59:35.920 --> 00:59:37.820
my uncle. Your brother, your grandmother, your uncle.
1164
00:59:38.239 --> 00:59:41.079
If somebody called me and said, not only was my
1165
00:59:41.119 --> 00:59:44.780
brother killed, but also your grandmother and your uncle were killed.
1166
00:59:45.340 --> 00:59:47.000
If somebody told me that over the phone, you.
1167
00:59:46.940 --> 00:59:47.639
Know what I would be doing?
1168
00:59:49.800 --> 00:59:52.610
Do you know what I would be doing? I wouldn't
1169
00:59:52.639 --> 00:59:56.130
be sitting there staring at a wall. I'd be bawling
1170
00:59:56.150 --> 00:59:58.489
my eyes out. I'd be throwing the water bottle across
1171
00:59:58.530 --> 01:00:01.570
the room probably rip this table out of the wall. Yeah,
1172
01:00:01.590 --> 01:00:03.750
but then you guys just rush in here. But I
1173
01:00:03.769 --> 01:00:04.909
wouldn't give a shit.
1174
01:00:05.050 --> 01:00:05.860
I wouldn't give a.
1175
01:00:08.900 --> 01:00:09.019
Shit.
1176
01:00:09.239 --> 01:00:11.800
Because of how much I'm close with my brother. I'm
1177
01:00:11.840 --> 01:00:14.320
not close with my grandma. But it's still with the
1178
01:00:14.380 --> 01:00:20.480
fact that somebody did that to my family. Do you
1179
01:00:20.500 --> 01:00:22.679
understand where I'm coming from? Well, they asked what I
1180
01:00:22.719 --> 01:00:27.190
think should happen to Mike or whomever did this and
1181
01:00:28.449 --> 01:00:33.880
In polite company, I couldn't save it. Back where I'm from,
1182
01:00:33.920 --> 01:00:35.679
they beat us up from a tree.
1183
01:00:36.440 --> 01:00:36.719
Right.
1184
01:00:37.760 --> 01:00:40.389
So that's more of a response than you would expect.
1185
01:00:40.820 --> 01:00:44.530
But the issue I'm having is there's no emotion. You haven't...
1186
01:00:45.289 --> 01:00:47.550
You've expressed no sadness.
1187
01:00:47.610 --> 01:00:48.090
There's no.
1188
01:00:50.050 --> 01:00:53.159
We're not getting anything. Which leads me to believe you
1189
01:00:53.199 --> 01:00:54.639
already knew this had occurred.
1190
01:00:56.340 --> 01:00:57.280
I didn't know that.
1191
01:00:59.559 --> 01:01:02.559
Even the officers with no context of the case can't
1192
01:01:02.599 --> 01:01:05.920
help but assume Kane was involved in the murders, leaving
1193
01:01:05.980 --> 01:01:09.309
him to sit in silence as he realizes how poorly
1194
01:01:09.369 --> 01:01:13.239
this voluntary interview has gone. Agent Silva would return and
1195
01:01:13.300 --> 01:01:17.030
continue pressing Kane for answers, eventually revealing that he had,
1196
01:01:17.309 --> 01:01:20.510
in fact, been inside the house multiple times the week
1197
01:01:20.550 --> 01:01:24.329
of the three victims' disappearance, and admitted to helping Cassandra
1198
01:01:24.429 --> 01:01:27.750
travel to Mississippi with her kids, something she lied about
1199
01:01:27.869 --> 01:01:30.769
earlier in the motel. Even worse for Kane is that,
1200
01:01:31.210 --> 01:01:34.929
as the hours-long interview progressed, officers behind the scenes were
1201
01:01:34.969 --> 01:01:38.269
already taking action. They were instructed to locate his uncle's
1202
01:01:38.369 --> 01:01:41.989
stolen green Subaru, which they suspected Kane used to drive
1203
01:01:42.030 --> 01:01:46.449
to Mississippi alongside Cassandra's own vehicle. After looking through surveillance
1204
01:01:46.489 --> 01:01:49.550
footage and searching around the city, officers hit the jackpot
1205
01:01:49.769 --> 01:01:54.000
and tracked down the missing car. Inside, they found latex gloves,.
1206
01:01:53.710 --> 01:01:58.070
22 caliber ammunition, an empty Ruger pistol box, and most importantly,
1207
01:01:58.329 --> 01:02:03.050
Kane's passport, tying him directly to the stolen vehicle. Now
1208
01:02:03.110 --> 01:02:07.860
investigators have exactly what they've been missing, probable cause. And
1209
01:02:07.940 --> 01:02:11.199
with that, Kane is no longer free to leave. And
1210
01:02:11.239 --> 01:02:14.159
he's about to find out just how massively his attempt
1211
01:02:14.239 --> 01:02:17.260
to clear himself and Cassandra backfired.
1212
01:02:17.280 --> 01:02:18.739
How's it going, bud?
1213
01:02:21.579 --> 01:02:22.179
How you mind there?
1214
01:02:22.199 --> 01:02:24.619
All right. You mind standing up for me real quick?
1215
01:02:24.989 --> 01:02:25.429
Yes, sir.
1216
01:02:25.449 --> 01:02:26.260
Turn around and face this wall?
1217
01:02:26.280 --> 01:02:26.769
Yes, sir.
1218
01:02:27.130 --> 01:02:28.030
Put Kane on the wall for me.
1219
01:02:31.909 --> 01:02:32.190
All right.
1220
01:02:33.070 --> 01:02:33.809
So what's going on, man?
1221
01:02:33.829 --> 01:02:35.230
You're going to be going down to the Soda County
1222
01:02:35.250 --> 01:02:35.940
Sheriff's Office, all right?
1223
01:02:35.960 --> 01:02:37.420
You're going down to our jail, all right?
1224
01:02:38.760 --> 01:02:39.150
Yes, sir.
1225
01:02:39.949 --> 01:02:40.369
Walk this way.
1226
01:02:46.010 --> 01:02:49.239
Back at the Motel 8 in Mississippi, Cassandra would patiently
1227
01:02:49.280 --> 01:02:51.619
wait for Kane to return, give her a call, or
1228
01:02:51.679 --> 01:02:54.920
just show any signs his interview was over. But as
1229
01:02:55.039 --> 01:02:59.179
hours passed, it became clear that something had gone terribly wrong.
1230
01:02:59.619 --> 01:03:03.710
Growing worried, Cassandra packed her bags and fled alongside her children,
1231
01:03:03.889 --> 01:03:08.650
making yet another 1,000-mile drive back to New Mexico. Detectives
1232
01:03:08.730 --> 01:03:11.849
keep tracking her phone signal until it finally stops at
1233
01:03:11.889 --> 01:03:15.429
her parents' house. By this point, investigators have more than
1234
01:03:15.489 --> 01:03:20.030
enough to justify Cassandra's arrest. But one critical question still remains.
1235
01:03:20.320 --> 01:03:23.679
Was she directly involved in the murders? And if so,
1236
01:03:23.699 --> 01:03:27.900
to what extent? Because of that uncertainty, officers make a
1237
01:03:27.940 --> 01:03:32.340
deliberate decision. Rather than moving in aggressively, only four investigators
1238
01:03:32.380 --> 01:03:35.639
go to the house, keeping the encounter calm and cooperative.
1239
01:03:36.099 --> 01:03:39.199
Their goal is to interview Cassandra on the property and,
1240
01:03:39.539 --> 01:03:42.559
if possible, apply enough pressure to turn her against Kane.
1241
01:03:42.880 --> 01:03:44.860
If they can do this, they'll be able to pin
1242
01:03:44.940 --> 01:03:48.909
both Kane and Cassandra against each other, forcing them to
1243
01:03:48.969 --> 01:03:50.070
incriminate themselves.
1244
01:03:54.829 --> 01:03:56.559
Do you want me to start from the beginning from
1245
01:03:56.579 --> 01:04:09.219
what I know? Or do you want to ask questions first?
1246
01:04:09.469 --> 01:04:11.469
No, I'm going to let you tell your story. And
1247
01:04:11.789 --> 01:04:13.889
just so that you know, you're not under arrest.
1248
01:04:14.190 --> 01:04:15.690
You're free to leave whenever you want to leave.
1249
01:04:16.130 --> 01:04:17.889
We came to you because we talked on the phone
1250
01:04:17.909 --> 01:04:19.050
earlier through the text.
1251
01:04:19.449 --> 01:04:21.650
And what I told her is she needs to stop
1252
01:04:21.710 --> 01:04:24.400
overthinking everything. You're trying to be a detective yourself.
1253
01:04:24.719 --> 01:04:25.760
Because you've seen.
1254
01:04:25.539 --> 01:04:28.159
All this stuff. And she's trying to put pieces.
1255
01:04:27.840 --> 01:04:30.199
Together and knows that he was lying to.
1256
01:04:30.119 --> 01:04:30.800
Her about things.
1257
01:04:31.579 --> 01:04:34.820
So just start at the beginning and tell it like
1258
01:04:34.860 --> 01:04:35.610
you told us.
1259
01:04:36.610 --> 01:04:42.000
So I wanted to apologize to you because whenever I
1260
01:04:42.079 --> 01:04:46.449
spoke to you the last time, I wasn't thinking straight.
1261
01:04:47.719 --> 01:04:50.960
Not only is Cassandra much more cooperative this time, but
1262
01:04:51.019 --> 01:04:54.840
she quickly admits that she had been dishonest before and
1263
01:04:54.900 --> 01:04:58.739
even apologizes. Her father's comment makes it seem like she's
1264
01:04:58.780 --> 01:05:01.429
on the verge of throwing Kane under the bus, which
1265
01:05:01.489 --> 01:05:04.650
is exactly what investigators are here for. So with the
1266
01:05:04.690 --> 01:05:08.550
reassurance that she's not under arrest, Cassandra begins to share
1267
01:05:08.630 --> 01:05:12.199
some much-needed details about how three of her relatives ended
1268
01:05:12.320 --> 01:05:14.539
up mysteriously dead.
1269
01:05:14.960 --> 01:05:17.139
So I know on Thursday.
1270
01:05:17.989 --> 01:05:20.329
We were driving up there and we had just went
1271
01:05:20.349 --> 01:05:23.670
through Rio. So and he said that he wanted to
1272
01:05:23.730 --> 01:05:26.550
stop by Bent right quick. So he said, OK, drop
1273
01:05:26.570 --> 01:05:30.980
me off here. Wait here and I will let you
1274
01:05:31.000 --> 01:05:33.639
know if I need anything. I've probably left him alone
1275
01:05:33.900 --> 01:05:36.280
for like 45 minutes ish.
1276
01:05:36.480 --> 01:05:38.989
Where does he go? He's inside the house.
1277
01:05:39.190 --> 01:05:39.429
OK.
1278
01:05:39.690 --> 01:05:42.510
And he says that he couldn't find anything. Don't know
1279
01:05:42.530 --> 01:05:45.539
where anybody's at. And that it's okay for me to
1280
01:05:45.579 --> 01:05:47.280
come inside. And I go inside.
1281
01:05:47.300 --> 01:05:50.610
And like I kept telling you, it smelled fucking weird
1282
01:05:50.670 --> 01:05:53.409
in there. Almost like something had like died within the walls.
1283
01:05:53.889 --> 01:05:55.590
Like an animal or something.
1284
01:05:56.809 --> 01:05:59.969
I was already concerned by the fact that he felt
1285
01:06:00.030 --> 01:06:01.550
like something had happened.
1286
01:06:02.300 --> 01:06:07.739
So I'm trying to rationalize through that. And he's just saying,
1287
01:06:08.280 --> 01:06:08.739
I'll do it.
1288
01:06:09.780 --> 01:06:10.820
And we're doing things legally.
1289
01:06:10.900 --> 01:06:11.360
It's OK.
1290
01:06:12.019 --> 01:06:13.980
And then he has me help him. He drives the
1291
01:06:14.019 --> 01:06:18.239
car off somewhere and has me help him push it off.
1292
01:06:19.719 --> 01:06:22.500
And so like this little ditch thing. And at one point,
1293
01:06:22.539 --> 01:06:25.409
whenever I tried to say, hey, you need to call somebody,
1294
01:06:26.030 --> 01:06:27.710
he said that the majority of the cops up there
1295
01:06:27.730 --> 01:06:28.150
are crooked.
1296
01:06:28.510 --> 01:06:31.530
I worked in the ER down here. I can see
1297
01:06:31.610 --> 01:06:33.630
how you can think that sometimes for sure.
1298
01:06:34.289 --> 01:06:34.949
No, no offense.
1299
01:06:38.820 --> 01:06:40.769
So like i oh yeah no offense to.
1300
01:06:40.750 --> 01:06:45.260
You guys either Investigators are clearly not fond of Cassandra's
1301
01:06:45.320 --> 01:06:49.400
strange remark, though by now it's becoming clear to detectives
1302
01:06:49.519 --> 01:06:52.840
that Cassandra is putting Kane at the center of everything,
1303
01:06:53.119 --> 01:06:56.909
while noticeably avoiding any direct mention of the murders, the cleanup,
1304
01:06:57.250 --> 01:07:01.849
or the burnt bodies. Instead, she frames everything vaguely, claiming
1305
01:07:01.909 --> 01:07:05.030
Kane suspected something happened inside the house, but they didn't
1306
01:07:05.070 --> 01:07:07.360
look too deeply into it, and that she was simply
1307
01:07:07.420 --> 01:07:10.980
helping him deal with a property dispute. Investigators allow Cassandra
1308
01:07:11.019 --> 01:07:13.719
to continue telling her story, but the more she talks,
1309
01:07:14.000 --> 01:07:17.599
the more convoluted her version of events becomes. Then at
1310
01:07:17.619 --> 01:07:21.199
this point, she even invites them inside, where the story
1311
01:07:21.539 --> 01:07:25.559
only grows longer. After nearly two hours of listening, Agent
1312
01:07:25.619 --> 01:07:28.639
Kyle Graham decides it's time to push back.
1313
01:07:29.460 --> 01:07:31.909
So now we're going to get into my portion, okay?
1314
01:07:32.289 --> 01:07:33.769
I don't know, there's been probably a team of 15
1315
01:07:33.769 --> 01:07:36.289
of us on this case. So we know a lot
1316
01:07:36.309 --> 01:07:39.489
of stuff, we know everything about that property, um... And
1317
01:07:39.510 --> 01:07:41.590
some of the stuff that you're saying does make sense
1318
01:07:41.650 --> 01:07:43.280
and does add up. However, some of the stuff that
1319
01:07:43.300 --> 01:07:45.579
you're saying doesn't make sense to me and doesn't add up.
1320
01:07:45.639 --> 01:07:47.659
And quite frankly, I don't think some of that happened.
1321
01:07:48.059 --> 01:07:50.079
But I will tell you right now, I don't feel
1322
01:07:50.139 --> 01:07:52.199
like Cain could have done everything that he did alone.
1323
01:07:52.760 --> 01:07:57.179
And I think he included you into a whole mess
1324
01:07:57.219 --> 01:07:57.929
of a situation.
1325
01:07:58.119 --> 01:08:00.150
I don't believe that you killed anybody in this house
1326
01:08:00.190 --> 01:08:00.849
or on that property.
1327
01:08:01.389 --> 01:08:03.389
I strongly believe that. I don't think that you had
1328
01:08:03.489 --> 01:08:07.730
any part of murdering people. But I do strongly believe...
1329
01:08:08.300 --> 01:08:12.159
that he fucked himself, and he needed help, and you're
1330
01:08:12.199 --> 01:08:14.449
a helpful person, and he put you in a shitty
1331
01:08:14.489 --> 01:08:17.930
spot and said, help me. I need help cleaning this property,
1332
01:08:18.670 --> 01:08:21.369
I need help cleaning all this blood up, and I
1333
01:08:21.390 --> 01:08:23.289
need help getting these fucking bodies out of this house.
1334
01:08:24.149 --> 01:08:27.989
But now's your chance. I'm giving you the opportunity. Because
1335
01:08:28.020 --> 01:08:29.579
I'm telling you right now, I have all that I need.
1336
01:08:30.420 --> 01:08:31.760
The gig's up, the game's over.
1337
01:08:32.600 --> 01:08:32.800
Okay?
1338
01:08:33.949 --> 01:08:36.409
This is your opportunity and your chance to tell me,
1339
01:08:36.970 --> 01:08:39.880
what did he make you do? What did he ask
1340
01:08:39.899 --> 01:08:40.920
you to help him to do?
1341
01:08:41.659 --> 01:08:45.199
All I know of is that he wanted me to
1342
01:08:45.300 --> 01:08:51.689
undo the headboards, the couch.
1343
01:08:52.199 --> 01:08:54.670
You noticed no blood on that? Think about it before
1344
01:08:54.689 --> 01:08:55.170
you answer that.
1345
01:08:55.329 --> 01:08:57.689
Not the side that I picked it up from, no.
1346
01:08:58.449 --> 01:08:59.970
All I did was what he asked me.
1347
01:09:00.140 --> 01:09:03.079
To do but you understand all you all you did
1348
01:09:03.119 --> 01:09:05.699
what he asked you to do it's too late you
1349
01:09:05.739 --> 01:09:08.199
already helped him That's already a crime.
1350
01:09:08.350 --> 01:09:09.869
Which I know that.
1351
01:09:10.310 --> 01:09:12.329
So that's the reason why I asked if I needed
1352
01:09:12.409 --> 01:09:14.550
attorney because I tampered with evidence.
1353
01:09:14.670 --> 01:09:14.989
Correct.
1354
01:09:15.109 --> 01:09:17.430
So, and it wasn't until after.
1355
01:09:17.229 --> 01:09:19.210
The fact that I sat there and I thought about
1356
01:09:19.229 --> 01:09:22.109
it because he, he said that everything was found that way.
1357
01:09:22.810 --> 01:09:25.100
So the charge is already there. There's not going to
1358
01:09:25.140 --> 01:09:27.739
be any more of, it's not going to get any
1359
01:09:27.779 --> 01:09:31.420
worse other than you just telling the truth of what happened.
1360
01:09:32.500 --> 01:09:34.300
The charge is there. You already have a tampering with
1361
01:09:34.359 --> 01:09:35.779
evidence charge on a first degree murder.
1362
01:09:36.079 --> 01:09:36.159
Okay.
1363
01:09:36.180 --> 01:09:36.279
Okay.
1364
01:09:37.100 --> 01:09:38.180
That's a second-degree felony.
1365
01:09:39.460 --> 01:09:43.720
Needless to say, this is not what Cassandra is hoping
1366
01:09:43.779 --> 01:09:47.140
to hear. In this moment, she realizes her days of
1367
01:09:47.220 --> 01:09:50.880
freedom may be numbered if she continues twisting the facts
1368
01:09:51.020 --> 01:09:54.899
to protect both herself and Kane. Cassandra knows something has
1369
01:09:54.960 --> 01:09:58.140
to give, so after hearing what's awaiting her, she asks
1370
01:09:58.220 --> 01:10:00.819
to step outside for a smoke, and this is where
1371
01:10:00.979 --> 01:10:04.640
she finally gives detectives a small piece of the truth.
1372
01:10:08.210 --> 01:10:11.130
Like I said, I went out there.
1373
01:10:14.529 --> 01:10:17.069
I went out to the store.
1374
01:10:20.060 --> 01:10:27.880
And I came back. He said he found them that way.
1375
01:10:29.319 --> 01:10:30.479
He said he found them that way?
1376
01:10:30.939 --> 01:10:32.159
So what did he tell you he found?
1377
01:10:32.779 --> 01:10:33.100
People.
1378
01:10:34.779 --> 01:10:35.500
How many people?
1379
01:10:35.520 --> 01:10:36.359
Three.
1380
01:10:36.859 --> 01:10:41.800
And who are they? And Julian, Mary, and Victor.
1381
01:10:43.420 --> 01:10:45.420
I signed up for to take him to a job interview.
1382
01:10:47.659 --> 01:10:49.819
I didn't sign up for him to do this.
1383
01:10:50.399 --> 01:10:51.739
Do you now believe that he did it?
1384
01:10:52.869 --> 01:10:54.149
I don't know what's a belief.
1385
01:10:55.470 --> 01:11:00.770
I just know that there was a mess, and then
1386
01:11:00.789 --> 01:11:02.069
there was a lot of illegal shit.
1387
01:11:03.050 --> 01:11:04.109
Lots of illegal shit.
1388
01:11:05.229 --> 01:11:07.140
What else did you help clean up inside the house?
1389
01:11:08.340 --> 01:11:09.039
Besides the blood?
1390
01:11:11.460 --> 01:11:13.039
And the furniture, taking it out. Yeah.
1391
01:11:14.359 --> 01:11:16.340
And I didn't see how bad.
1392
01:11:16.180 --> 01:11:17.060
The furniture was.
1393
01:11:18.369 --> 01:11:19.609
Did you help clean up anything else?
1394
01:11:19.630 --> 01:11:19.689
No.
1395
01:11:24.149 --> 01:11:26.710
There's so many red flags going on right now of
1396
01:11:27.029 --> 01:11:29.229
still of you saying that you walked into.
1397
01:11:29.090 --> 01:11:33.789
This house and King telling you, holy shit. I just
1398
01:11:33.890 --> 01:11:37.729
walked into a house and all my family's dead. Let's
1399
01:11:37.789 --> 01:11:38.350
get rid of them.
1400
01:11:40.270 --> 01:11:41.630
That sounds really stupid.
1401
01:11:41.649 --> 01:11:43.380
Doesn't it sound stupid when you say it out loud?
1402
01:11:43.399 --> 01:11:45.859
Because I guarantee you, I walk into a house with
1403
01:11:45.899 --> 01:11:48.960
my family dead, shit's about to hit the fan because
1404
01:11:49.000 --> 01:11:50.479
we've got to figure out what the hell just happened.
1405
01:11:50.899 --> 01:11:54.649
And I'm calling the cops. Yeah, I don't... We're telling you,
1406
01:11:54.659 --> 01:11:58.279
we've done our research. I've gotten zero sleep in five days.
1407
01:11:59.239 --> 01:12:01.810
I mean, we're not letting this go. This is a
1408
01:12:01.810 --> 01:12:02.510
triple homicide.
1409
01:12:03.649 --> 01:12:07.069
And not letting it go is exactly what investigators are
1410
01:12:07.109 --> 01:12:09.729
going to spend the rest of the day trying to do,
1411
01:12:10.029 --> 01:12:14.859
hoping Cassandra will eventually crack and give them the full story. Unfortunately, though,
1412
01:12:15.199 --> 01:12:18.180
this is the closest they will get to a real admission,
1413
01:12:18.600 --> 01:12:21.960
as Cassandra begins to backpedal and returns to a revised
1414
01:12:22.020 --> 01:12:24.789
version of events where she claims they found their family
1415
01:12:24.829 --> 01:12:28.670
members already dead. They then simply decide to cover up
1416
01:12:28.729 --> 01:12:31.810
the scene to avoid getting in trouble because Kane believed
1417
01:12:31.829 --> 01:12:36.329
the police were corrupt. Detectives would spend until nightfall pressing
1418
01:12:36.369 --> 01:12:39.750
Cassandra with no success, and she ultimately sticks to the
1419
01:12:39.810 --> 01:12:43.409
same story. So before ending the interview and leaving, Agent
1420
01:12:43.449 --> 01:12:46.989
Graham has one more rather strange question that's been on
1421
01:12:47.029 --> 01:12:48.710
his mind all this time.
1422
01:12:48.729 --> 01:12:51.439
He had access to my phone. He knew my passwords.
1423
01:12:51.520 --> 01:12:54.840
Like I said, I trusted him. He was supposed to
1424
01:12:54.880 --> 01:12:55.420
be my brother.
1425
01:12:56.149 --> 01:12:57.590
Can I ask you a really weird question?
1426
01:12:57.810 --> 01:12:58.090
Sure.
1427
01:12:59.189 --> 01:12:59.909
No, never mind.
1428
01:13:00.270 --> 01:13:01.060
No, go for it.
1429
01:13:01.529 --> 01:13:04.029
Why did you guys buy a brand new.
1430
01:13:03.949 --> 01:13:04.729
Box of condoms?
1431
01:13:05.989 --> 01:13:10.100
No, that was a joke. It should be the skin
1432
01:13:10.229 --> 01:13:14.279
on late sex. And I had bought those in Chattanooga.
1433
01:13:16.279 --> 01:13:18.939
And I threw them at Walter because I was tired
1434
01:13:18.960 --> 01:13:20.840
of having kids and I was tired of being pregnant
1435
01:13:20.859 --> 01:13:21.260
all the time.
1436
01:13:22.359 --> 01:13:25.390
But why would they be in the penthouse? I, that
1437
01:13:25.449 --> 01:13:26.350
I don't know.
1438
01:13:26.970 --> 01:13:28.470
Why would they be in the Bent House?
1439
01:13:28.529 --> 01:13:30.170
That's why I have a weird question.
1440
01:13:30.409 --> 01:13:33.050
Last time I knew about them, they were in the.
1441
01:13:34.350 --> 01:13:35.289
They were at my house.
1442
01:13:36.100 --> 01:13:38.420
Well, this was in the well house with all of
1443
01:13:38.479 --> 01:13:39.699
the cleanup.
1444
01:13:40.439 --> 01:13:44.479
He told me that there was a possibility that Corinne
1445
01:13:44.520 --> 01:13:52.420
wasn't his mother due to DNA tests, DNA results. and
1446
01:13:52.579 --> 01:13:55.819
that there was a potential that he had feelings for me.
1447
01:13:56.850 --> 01:13:57.100
Cain?
1448
01:13:57.510 --> 01:13:58.890
Mm-hmm.
1449
01:13:58.939 --> 01:14:01.449
And that's not weird for you?
1450
01:14:02.550 --> 01:14:05.010
Like, to be around him with your kids when you
1451
01:14:05.029 --> 01:14:06.770
guys are pretty much brother and sister?
1452
01:14:06.789 --> 01:14:09.970
Like, it was weird, but he never acted on it.
1453
01:14:09.989 --> 01:14:13.949
I thought you guys were step-siblings, not half-siblings.
1454
01:14:14.229 --> 01:14:15.250
No, we're half-siblings.
1455
01:14:15.729 --> 01:14:16.329
Well, because we.
1456
01:14:16.250 --> 01:14:17.489
Also found a pregnancy test.
1457
01:14:17.810 --> 01:14:18.010
Yep.
1458
01:14:18.329 --> 01:14:21.029
I had a one-night stand at the Variety. And I
1459
01:14:21.069 --> 01:14:23.810
didn't start my period on time. And I panic and
1460
01:14:23.850 --> 01:14:25.460
I overthink and there should be four of them.
1461
01:14:26.319 --> 01:14:30.659
The detective's tone makes it clear. They aren't convinced. Suspecting
1462
01:14:30.720 --> 01:14:34.470
Kane and Cassandra are hiding important details about their relationship.
1463
01:14:35.090 --> 01:14:37.970
By now, though, what investigators came here to do is
1464
01:14:38.289 --> 01:14:41.869
partially successful. Even though there's still no direct admission tying
1465
01:14:41.890 --> 01:14:45.310
their suspects to the killings, Cassandra has implicated both herself
1466
01:14:45.789 --> 01:14:49.270
and Kane in the cover-up. Because of this, Cassandra is
1467
01:14:49.369 --> 01:14:52.949
officially detained and brought back to the police station. What
1468
01:14:53.010 --> 01:14:57.340
exactly was said during Cassandra's arrest remains unknown, but the
1469
01:14:57.380 --> 01:15:02.140
pressure appears to have completely broken her. In the hours
1470
01:15:02.180 --> 01:15:05.880
that followed, she went on to further incriminate Kane, seemingly
1471
01:15:05.899 --> 01:15:09.050
doing everything she could to distance herself from what happened,
1472
01:15:09.350 --> 01:15:12.050
no matter the cost to him, a betrayal that would
1473
01:15:12.109 --> 01:15:14.470
later come as a complete shock to Kane.
1474
01:15:14.489 --> 01:15:19.029
All I knew was that I had PTSD from the
1475
01:15:20.210 --> 01:15:24.510
last time you saw cops, because there was my blood
1476
01:15:24.590 --> 01:15:26.710
all over the floor and my head through the wall,
1477
01:15:26.930 --> 01:15:31.979
and I was trying to protect him from that. If
1478
01:15:32.020 --> 01:15:34.039
he was really as innocent as he said he was,
1479
01:15:34.060 --> 01:15:35.600
then there was going to be nothing to hide, right?
1480
01:15:36.000 --> 01:15:39.939
Which is why I dropped him off at the jail.
1481
01:15:40.119 --> 01:15:43.829
I was pretty shocked that he showed up at the
1482
01:15:43.850 --> 01:15:45.109
police department in Mississippi.
1483
01:15:46.130 --> 01:15:48.109
Because I told him if he was as innocent as
1484
01:15:48.149 --> 01:15:51.470
he told me that he was, if he really found
1485
01:15:51.970 --> 01:15:54.770
them the way they were, then that's all he had
1486
01:15:54.810 --> 01:15:55.569
to tell you guys.
1487
01:15:56.029 --> 01:15:57.229
And you would figure out the rest.
1488
01:16:00.560 --> 01:16:03.539
In the following days, Kane is brought into an interrogation room,
1489
01:16:03.899 --> 01:16:06.439
this time in an orange jumpsuit, for what would be
1490
01:16:06.520 --> 01:16:10.539
his final interview. Agent Graham is assigned to conduct the interview,
1491
01:16:10.899 --> 01:16:14.520
the same investigator who previously spoke with Cassandra and secured
1492
01:16:14.560 --> 01:16:18.550
her confession. By this stage, Graham knows the case inside
1493
01:16:18.590 --> 01:16:21.970
and out, and he approaches the interview with a deliberate strategy.
1494
01:16:22.390 --> 01:16:26.170
intent on extracting as much information as possible. And in
1495
01:16:26.210 --> 01:16:30.289
this case, that's exactly what's needed. Because now, more than ever,
1496
01:16:30.729 --> 01:16:34.989
detectives need a confession. Right as the interrogation begins, Kane
1497
01:16:35.010 --> 01:16:37.920
makes a desperate attempt to ensure Cassandra is keeping her
1498
01:16:37.960 --> 01:16:42.000
story together. He seems to be completely unaware that Cassandra
1499
01:16:42.260 --> 01:16:44.020
isn't protecting him anymore.
1500
01:16:44.680 --> 01:16:45.960
Do you happen to have a pen handy?
1501
01:16:46.239 --> 01:16:46.439
I do.
1502
01:16:47.420 --> 01:16:48.319
Do you have her number?
1503
01:16:49.479 --> 01:16:50.140
Mmm.
1504
01:16:51.229 --> 01:16:54.409
Because I have it in my wallet at the jail,
1505
01:16:55.210 --> 01:16:57.789
but they won't let me access it. And I need
1506
01:16:57.810 --> 01:16:59.989
to make sure that she's okay because she mentioned wanting
1507
01:17:00.020 --> 01:17:03.479
to go back down to New Mexico. And after doing
1508
01:17:03.500 --> 01:17:05.119
it once, that's already a hard enough trip.
1509
01:17:07.619 --> 01:17:09.399
Well, I talked to her Sunday when she got back
1510
01:17:09.439 --> 01:17:09.819
into Roswell.
1511
01:17:09.840 --> 01:17:10.979
I don't even know what the date is, man.
1512
01:17:11.720 --> 01:17:15.149
At this point, Kane still believed Cassandra was in Mississippi
1513
01:17:15.329 --> 01:17:19.180
and hadn't spoken to officers since their first contact. Unfortunately,
1514
01:17:19.640 --> 01:17:22.439
not only did Cassandra confess since then, but she did
1515
01:17:22.460 --> 01:17:25.939
it in front of the very detective sitting just feet away.
1516
01:17:26.600 --> 01:17:29.810
So I talked to her on Sunday. I traveled to
1517
01:17:29.850 --> 01:17:33.489
Roswell when she got in. I talked to her for probably,
1518
01:17:33.510 --> 01:17:36.250
I don't know, more than two, less than four hours.
1519
01:17:37.510 --> 01:17:42.779
And then on Monday, I traveled to Roswell again and
1520
01:17:42.800 --> 01:17:45.560
I talked to her again. For about, I don't know,
1521
01:17:46.039 --> 01:17:50.739
two hours. But I learned a lot from her. And
1522
01:17:51.680 --> 01:17:53.600
I'm hoping that I'm going to learn more from you.
1523
01:17:55.319 --> 01:17:58.140
I don't want to call anybody a liar, but I
1524
01:17:58.180 --> 01:18:00.760
think there's some inconsistencies with your statements. Because I want
1525
01:18:00.779 --> 01:18:01.859
you to know that there's going to be a lot
1526
01:18:01.880 --> 01:18:03.579
of questions that I ask you that I already know
1527
01:18:03.600 --> 01:18:05.300
the answer to, but this is going to be a
1528
01:18:05.319 --> 01:18:07.119
test for you to see if you're being truthful with me.
1529
01:18:08.159 --> 01:18:11.069
Because I know it's the truth. Because I've been working
1530
01:18:11.090 --> 01:18:12.489
this case since Wednesday the 22nd.
1531
01:18:13.739 --> 01:18:13.960
Okay.
1532
01:18:14.779 --> 01:18:17.039
After Agent Graham makes it obvious Kane is on his
1533
01:18:17.119 --> 01:18:20.869
own now, the interview demeanor changes fast. He wastes no
1534
01:18:20.930 --> 01:18:24.789
time bringing up Cassandra's confession and placing it directly against Kane,
1535
01:18:25.130 --> 01:18:28.090
making it clear that detectives are no longer relying on
1536
01:18:28.189 --> 01:18:29.770
his version of events alone.
1537
01:18:32.920 --> 01:18:37.260
Did you hurt anybody inside that house, including Victor, Killian,
1538
01:18:37.500 --> 01:18:37.859
and Mary?
1539
01:18:38.079 --> 01:18:38.420
No, sir.
1540
01:18:40.199 --> 01:18:45.890
So... How does Victor, Killian, and Mary just mysteriously go missing?
1541
01:18:47.369 --> 01:18:49.720
I've been trying to find out the same.
1542
01:18:50.960 --> 01:18:54.239
You do understand, though, that we found all three of them, correct?
1543
01:18:56.100 --> 01:18:58.199
I believe Special Agent Silva did tell you that.
1544
01:18:59.779 --> 01:19:07.029
He alluded to something that I was really hoping is
1545
01:19:07.130 --> 01:19:08.869
not truthful.
1546
01:19:13.760 --> 01:19:16.100
So I'm just gonna, I'm not really one to beat
1547
01:19:16.149 --> 01:19:20.310
around the bush, okay? I just call it like it is, okay?
1548
01:19:21.069 --> 01:19:22.710
But Cassie's told me everything.
1549
01:19:22.409 --> 01:19:23.770
That's happened, okay?
1550
01:19:24.210 --> 01:19:26.710
She told me the involvement. She told me what you
1551
01:19:26.750 --> 01:19:30.819
guys did. That you walked into the house. You found
1552
01:19:30.859 --> 01:19:34.119
all three of them dead. You guys picked up their bodies.
1553
01:19:34.939 --> 01:19:37.640
You put them in the blue Subaru. You drove it
1554
01:19:37.699 --> 01:19:41.649
up the hill. You guys both tipped it over. She's
1555
01:19:41.659 --> 01:19:43.710
told me it all, okay? You guys used the little
1556
01:19:43.729 --> 01:19:45.170
green dolly to pick him up and put him on
1557
01:19:45.210 --> 01:19:47.970
the dolly, wheel him out to the car. You tied
1558
01:19:48.010 --> 01:19:50.909
a rope around Killian's waist, hooked the rope up to
1559
01:19:50.930 --> 01:19:53.649
your dad's hitch, and drove the car to pull him
1560
01:19:53.689 --> 01:19:58.239
into the backseat. So the gig's up, Kane, okay? I
1561
01:19:58.260 --> 01:20:00.600
told you I don't beat around the bush. I've worked
1562
01:20:00.939 --> 01:20:05.449
over 100 hours in one week, okay? As Kane sits
1563
01:20:05.470 --> 01:20:08.649
in silence, the realization sets in. He's on his own now,
1564
01:20:08.680 --> 01:20:10.800
and whatever story he had planned coming into this interrogation
1565
01:20:10.819 --> 01:20:13.699
has now been flipped entirely.
1566
01:20:15.579 --> 01:20:15.979
On its.
1567
01:20:17.579 --> 01:20:17.699
Head.
1568
01:20:28.020 --> 01:20:31.279
But Agent Graham presents the story strategically. By laying it
1569
01:20:31.359 --> 01:20:34.680
out exactly as Cassandra described it, he gives Kane an
1570
01:20:34.760 --> 01:20:38.470
opening to admit only to helping conceal the murders, while
1571
01:20:38.550 --> 01:20:42.710
shifting responsibility for the actual killings onto someone else. If
1572
01:20:42.750 --> 01:20:46.649
he can get this confession first, it'll be significantly easier
1573
01:20:46.689 --> 01:20:49.670
to get Kane to confess to the killings later on.
1574
01:20:49.689 --> 01:20:52.840
Do you want to start back at the beginning? And
1575
01:20:52.880 --> 01:20:56.439
I know the date that all this happened also. I can.
1576
01:20:58.300 --> 01:21:02.819
I can tell you what happened. I can't tell you why.
1577
01:21:02.840 --> 01:21:04.600
I have.
1578
01:21:05.380 --> 01:21:10.680
I don't know. I was trying to find out. I
1579
01:21:10.680 --> 01:21:13.300
fucked up your crime scene, and I'm sorry for that.
1580
01:21:17.380 --> 01:21:19.689
Is everything that I just said, what Cassie told me,
1581
01:21:19.739 --> 01:21:25.640
is that accurate? To a degree. And what isn't? When
1582
01:21:25.680 --> 01:21:26.779
we went to the house that day.
1583
01:21:26.800 --> 01:21:28.659
And it's just you and Cassie?
1584
01:21:29.390 --> 01:21:30.609
Yeah.
1585
01:21:30.729 --> 01:21:31.250
Not the kids?
1586
01:21:31.590 --> 01:21:31.750
No.
1587
01:21:33.729 --> 01:21:34.609
There's a witness, too.
1588
01:21:35.810 --> 01:21:36.289
And who is that?
1589
01:21:36.649 --> 01:21:37.090
The mailman.
1590
01:21:40.689 --> 01:21:42.840
He can attest to this.
1591
01:21:44.560 --> 01:21:46.939
Like the postal man that drives and delivers the mail
1592
01:21:46.960 --> 01:21:47.600
in the mailboxes?
1593
01:21:47.939 --> 01:21:48.119
Yeah.
1594
01:21:48.439 --> 01:21:48.659
Okay.
1595
01:21:49.119 --> 01:21:49.300
Yeah.
1596
01:21:49.880 --> 01:21:51.420
We had gotten there just before him.
1597
01:21:53.210 --> 01:21:54.869
He went up. I told her to hang tight for
1598
01:21:54.890 --> 01:21:56.829
a minute because that meant that everybody would be awake.
1599
01:21:58.770 --> 01:22:02.989
And that was kind of looking hopeful. Killian was up
1600
01:22:03.069 --> 01:22:05.890
and moving about. And I knocked on the door. I
1601
01:22:05.930 --> 01:22:08.609
told him, hey, you just missed the postman. And he
1602
01:22:08.640 --> 01:22:11.800
was real fidgety. He was scratching his head a lot.
1603
01:22:14.359 --> 01:22:17.899
He was irritated. And I told him, hey, I got
1604
01:22:17.939 --> 01:22:22.140
some good news. Everything's moving along with the mortgage company.
1605
01:22:23.420 --> 01:22:25.779
We're looking to move in and we ought to be
1606
01:22:25.819 --> 01:22:28.789
all set by like the end of the month. Everything
1607
01:22:28.810 --> 01:22:31.090
should be good. They got my process or my status
1608
01:22:31.149 --> 01:22:37.829
is pending. He closed the door. And I watched him
1609
01:22:37.869 --> 01:22:42.220
take the mail off to the bedroom. And then he
1610
01:22:42.260 --> 01:22:44.880
went back. And I shit you not, I heard like.
1611
01:22:49.619 --> 01:22:57.420
Must have been 20 gunshots. I didn't even think to
1612
01:22:57.460 --> 01:22:59.119
do the front door. I just ran around to the side,
1613
01:22:59.300 --> 01:23:06.430
came through my door. And it wasn't closed all the way.
1614
01:23:14.829 --> 01:23:20.770
I ran through the bedroom. my uncle Vic was laying
1615
01:23:20.789 --> 01:23:27.210
in his doorway with a gun in one hand his
1616
01:23:27.289 --> 01:23:36.029
other was like shaking just kinda like floating there and
1617
01:23:36.069 --> 01:23:42.680
Killian was across from him I don't know why I
1618
01:23:42.720 --> 01:23:52.289
don't know who shot I don't know.
1619
01:23:55.970 --> 01:23:58.270
So where... I'm sorry.
1620
01:24:00.470 --> 01:24:04.130
I'm sorry, Cain, but... I don't mean to be an ass, okay?
1621
01:24:04.289 --> 01:24:06.520
But I know when you were going down this road
1622
01:24:06.800 --> 01:24:09.609
that that's where you were headed, okay? That one of
1623
01:24:09.649 --> 01:24:10.649
them did all this.
1624
01:24:11.779 --> 01:24:12.380
The evidence.
1625
01:24:12.939 --> 01:24:14.220
They both had guns.
1626
01:24:14.720 --> 01:24:15.960
Cain and Victor both had guns.
1627
01:24:16.720 --> 01:24:17.020
Killian.
1628
01:24:17.039 --> 01:24:18.300
I mean, Killian, sorry.
1629
01:24:18.659 --> 01:24:21.529
They both had guns. F * * * ing guns,
1630
01:24:21.689 --> 01:24:23.310
and they told me there weren't any left in the house.
1631
01:24:23.710 --> 01:24:24.170
Where are they?
1632
01:24:25.789 --> 01:24:27.840
You and Cassie were the only ones in there. So
1633
01:24:27.850 --> 01:24:30.739
what'd you guys do with the guns? Do you see
1634
01:24:30.760 --> 01:24:32.600
that we're... I've been doing this for.
1635
01:24:32.520 --> 01:24:33.279
A long time, okay?
1636
01:24:34.159 --> 01:24:34.680
I'm not dumb.
1637
01:24:35.239 --> 01:24:36.359
This isn't my first homicide.
1638
01:24:36.380 --> 01:24:37.159
Okay?
1639
01:24:37.189 --> 01:24:37.279
Okay.
1640
01:24:37.939 --> 01:24:43.140
Kane falls directly into Agent Graham's trap, confessing to concealing
1641
01:24:43.220 --> 01:24:47.220
the bodies and giving a terribly thought-out lie about who
1642
01:24:47.260 --> 01:24:50.979
committed the murders. But Graham doesn't stop there and begins
1643
01:24:51.079 --> 01:24:54.520
pressing further, letting Kane know that nothing he can say
1644
01:24:54.539 --> 01:24:56.859
at this point will dig him out of his grave.
1645
01:24:58.020 --> 01:25:01.840
I'm not going to lie to you, though, Kane.
1646
01:25:02.659 --> 01:25:04.079
This was a pretty tough one for us.
1647
01:25:04.300 --> 01:25:05.699
This took a lot of time. This is the most
1648
01:25:05.729 --> 01:25:07.010
that we've ever spent on a case, by the way.
1649
01:25:08.289 --> 01:25:12.760
This is the farthest we've been to investigate one, too. And,
1650
01:25:12.779 --> 01:25:15.319
I mean, the whole wrapping the rope around Killian's waist
1651
01:25:15.380 --> 01:25:17.840
and pulling him in with the other car, I mean,
1652
01:25:17.859 --> 01:25:21.539
that was pretty creative. And I'm being serious. I'm not
1653
01:25:21.560 --> 01:25:24.479
being a smartass. I don't know how I would have
1654
01:25:24.500 --> 01:25:26.119
got him in the car, either. I don't know how
1655
01:25:26.159 --> 01:25:30.199
I would have got him on the wagon. That's 200
1656
01:25:30.199 --> 01:25:31.520
pounds dead weight.
1657
01:25:31.520 --> 01:25:33.310
280 pounds dead weight. That's a lot.
1658
01:25:35.409 --> 01:25:39.430
I mean, you're not much bigger than me. I mean,
1659
01:25:39.630 --> 01:25:41.750
think about how crazy that sounds, though. Like you were
1660
01:25:41.770 --> 01:25:45.689
cremating them. And you went up there on the 22nd
1661
01:25:45.729 --> 01:25:49.970
and you burned them, right? After you and her put
1662
01:25:50.350 --> 01:25:52.850
chain link over the top of the car with the
1663
01:25:52.869 --> 01:25:56.649
little camouflage tarp thing and all the sticks and brush
1664
01:25:57.229 --> 01:25:59.550
covering it. I.
1665
01:26:01.229 --> 01:26:03.409
I did try to offer them a cremation.
1666
01:26:03.430 --> 01:26:06.289
I mean, that was nice of you.
1667
01:26:07.130 --> 01:26:08.050
But I didn't hurt them.
1668
01:26:08.989 --> 01:26:10.289
Because the rest of the family didn't get to say
1669
01:26:10.329 --> 01:26:10.869
their goodbyes.
1670
01:26:13.470 --> 01:26:14.729
There aren't enough of us left.
1671
01:26:17.289 --> 01:26:18.489
And I mean, I gotta give it to you too.
1672
01:26:19.390 --> 01:26:22.970
Using the come-alongs and the steel pipe to prop it
1673
01:26:23.010 --> 01:26:28.810
over to get it dumped over? Like, this is one
1674
01:26:28.840 --> 01:26:30.920
of the most creative homicides that I've seen.
1675
01:26:34.000 --> 01:26:35.260
I didn't hurt anybody, sir.
1676
01:26:37.039 --> 01:26:38.199
I would never hurt my family.
1677
01:26:39.050 --> 01:26:42.810
Well, McCain, that's what they all say. I just don't
1678
01:26:42.880 --> 01:26:43.739
buy that you didn't do it.
1679
01:26:43.859 --> 01:26:44.220
I'm sorry.
1680
01:26:44.619 --> 01:26:44.979
I can't.
1681
01:26:46.300 --> 01:26:48.239
I think Cassie's full of shit on a lot of things,
1682
01:26:48.300 --> 01:26:49.680
but I don't think she's full of shit on that.
1683
01:26:51.020 --> 01:26:52.500
And I'm not so sure that she wasn't.
1684
01:26:52.279 --> 01:26:53.560
Involved in it, to be honest with you.
1685
01:26:55.359 --> 01:26:56.500
She wasn't even there, sir.
1686
01:26:56.520 --> 01:26:59.220
Okay, well, I'm telling you right now, Cassie's in jail.
1687
01:26:59.260 --> 01:26:59.939
That's why you can't get a.
1688
01:26:59.899 --> 01:27:00.260
Hold of her.
1689
01:27:02.199 --> 01:27:03.100
Then I need an attorney.
1690
01:27:03.439 --> 01:27:03.560
Okay.
1691
01:27:03.579 --> 01:27:03.659
Okay.
1692
01:27:21.600 --> 01:27:23.939
My next question is, are you going to sign a
1693
01:27:24.000 --> 01:27:26.699
waiver of extra addition to go back to Mexico, or
1694
01:27:26.739 --> 01:27:29.229
do you want us to have to get a governor's warrant?
1695
01:27:29.569 --> 01:27:32.390
And you sat up here in our jail for months.
1696
01:27:32.489 --> 01:27:33.470
Do you mean New Mexico?
1697
01:27:33.609 --> 01:27:33.789
Yeah.
1698
01:27:34.170 --> 01:27:34.449
Okay.
1699
01:27:36.590 --> 01:27:37.449
What do you think, Detective?
1700
01:27:38.060 --> 01:27:39.460
I can't tell you, but I can serve you with
1701
01:27:39.479 --> 01:27:41.270
this target notice, okay? These are the charges that are
1702
01:27:41.289 --> 01:27:44.090
being filed against you. This is what we're going for
1703
01:27:44.130 --> 01:27:44.890
grand jury, okay?
1704
01:27:47.989 --> 01:27:48.710
I can't accept that.
1705
01:27:49.449 --> 01:27:50.329
Well, it's not an option.
1706
01:27:50.689 --> 01:27:52.510
That's what's coming against me.
1707
01:27:52.670 --> 01:27:52.949
Yes, sir.
1708
01:27:53.189 --> 01:27:54.229
These are your charges.
1709
01:27:58.180 --> 01:28:01.899
Clearly, Kane doesn't seem to understand the law, and he'll
1710
01:28:01.920 --> 01:28:05.619
be fighting the charges regardless of whether he accepts them
1711
01:28:05.880 --> 01:28:09.239
or not. On paper, Kane is charged with an array
1712
01:28:09.260 --> 01:28:13.420
of crimes, including arson, aggravated burglary, and three counts of
1713
01:28:13.439 --> 01:28:18.600
first-degree murder. Additionally, Cassandra would be officially charged following the interrogation,
1714
01:28:18.939 --> 01:28:22.539
also getting three counts of first-degree murder, conspiracy to commit murder,
1715
01:28:22.779 --> 01:28:26.159
and tampering with evidence. In the weeks that follow, detectives
1716
01:28:26.239 --> 01:28:29.810
and prosecutors begin assembling the full picture. The blood patterns
1717
01:28:29.869 --> 01:28:32.989
inside the house, the cleanup supplies, the burned Subaru, the
1718
01:28:33.090 --> 01:28:36.789
shell casings, the clothing, the phone records, and Cassandra's own
1719
01:28:36.890 --> 01:28:41.079
statements describing the disposal of the bodies. And after countless
1720
01:28:41.460 --> 01:28:48.930
sleepless nights, investigators believe they have finally pieced together what happened. Victor, Mary,
1721
01:28:48.970 --> 01:28:51.630
and Killian were killed near the south bedroom and kitchen
1722
01:28:51.829 --> 01:28:54.739
before being moved through the house. Their bodies were then
1723
01:28:54.800 --> 01:28:58.399
loaded into Victor's blue Subaru, which Kane allegedly drove into
1724
01:28:58.420 --> 01:29:01.380
the canyon, pushed over a ditch, and set on fire.
1725
01:29:01.760 --> 01:29:05.090
Kane's shifting stories and control of the green Subaru point
1726
01:29:05.130 --> 01:29:09.229
investigators towards him as the primary actor, while Cassandra's admissions
1727
01:29:09.310 --> 01:29:13.460
place her squarely in the cleanup and cover-up. Detectives see
1728
01:29:13.560 --> 01:29:16.420
Kane returning from Canada as the start of a growing
1729
01:29:16.460 --> 01:29:20.460
grievance over what he believes is rightfully his, 22 acres
1730
01:29:20.680 --> 01:29:23.659
of family land. They allege that a dispute over the
1731
01:29:23.699 --> 01:29:26.689
property motivated Kane and that he drew Cassandra into a
1732
01:29:26.729 --> 01:29:29.810
plan to cover up the deaths and claim control of
1733
01:29:29.850 --> 01:29:34.310
the land. For now, both remain presumed innocent unless and
1734
01:29:34.329 --> 01:29:40.789
until they are proven guilty. life sentences under new mexico
1735
01:29:40.829 --> 01:29:45.090
law with decades behind bars before any possibility of parole
1736
01:29:45.550 --> 01:29:48.770
as for mike lordis and the other relatives they can
1737
01:29:48.829 --> 01:29:52.829
rest safely for now praying that those responsible never see
1738
01:29:52.890 --> 01:29:54.350
the light of day again