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I had really appreciated the fact that there was a a premise in my script telling me how excited Matt was to be working with me.
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And, you know, he gave me compliments and you know, he described the the specific stuff that I did in specific books and how much he liked it and how much he was he imagined that stuff to be on our book too.
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So it was really a really flattering, you know, premise to the to the to the the whole script, the actual script.
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So I really appreciate it.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Welcome back to Direct Edition, a podcast where I host artists and musicians and creators to talk about their art, their influences, and what we love about the art that exists out in the world.
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And today we're talking about some comics.
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And I've got my good friend Matteo Scalera from Parma, Italy, to talk about cheese, the art of cheese.
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I am lying, that's not what we're talking about.
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We're talking about Batman.
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Yes, yes, yes.
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The Cape Crusader.
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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That man.
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And uh Mateo's gearing up for a two-issue fill-in run on the mainline Batman book, which is written by Matt Fraction and normally penciled by the great Jorge Jimenez.
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But we're switching countries from Jorge's native Spain to Mateo's native Italia.
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I I love having Mateo on, and I think you're gonna really enjoy this episode, but it's very loose.
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We just talk about a couple of different things besides Batman.
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We talk about his creator-owned book, The Fourth Father, which is complete.
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And the Kickstarter, uh, you, me, everybody that back to Kickstarter is gonna be getting them in their hands in a couple months.
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He talks about a little bit of what's next.
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I think we talk about some some other comics and stuff here.
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Honestly, uh, it was just a great chat with Mateo.
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But what's really cool about it is not only is it this video, but I will be having another video with Mateo on West Coast Avengers, my other channel, where we flip through all five issues of Todd McFarland's torment, the first five issues he did for the adjective adjectiveless Spider-Man.
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So those are gonna be two completely separate episodes.
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The flip through stuff is gonna stay on West Coast Avengers, and the podcast stuff is gonna stay here on direct edition.
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And uh you'll be able to see Mateo if you're going to uh New York Comic-Con this year.
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And like I said, the issues for Batman are coming out in September and October.
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I want to say it's September 2nd is issue 13, and then October, probably around the second or whatever that first Wednesday is, will be issue 14, part of the bad seeds.
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Big, big, big uh crossover they're doing uh in Gotham with I think it's it's basically Matt Fraction and G.
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Will Wilson are the head kind of creators on that.
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Um, and you can always see Mateo every week on Ink Pulp, whether you want to or not.
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And this uh this interview does contain a bye-bye.
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So there's that too.
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Um, I want to say before we get into the interview, thank you for being here.
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Um, we are crossing over 115 episodes of direct edition, which I um honestly never thought it would have gone this far in the best way possible.
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So um, you know, and and continue to show up, and if you can leave comments and stuff like that, just any engagement or sharing this with somebody like hey, check out this podcast where this weird bearded guy talks to all these really creative people, and he has no business doing so.
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I'm just kidding.
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Anyway, why don't we chat with the cheese man, Mateo Scalera?
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Hey there, what are you?
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It's just me.
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Uh welcome back.
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Hey, welcome back, friends.
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Uh, today I'm welcoming a third-time guest.
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He's part of a special group.
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You know him.
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He's the master of the Italian inks, he is an ink pulper, he is the dumb shark, and he has now taken Jorge Jimenez's job on Batman with Matt Fraction.
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For good for good.
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And I'm talking of a Teo Scalera himself.
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I'm taking your job, you fucking Spaniard.
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No, I'm not.
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Just two issues, people.
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No worries.
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I studied on the on the on an on inkpulp as well.
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It's just gonna be two issues, no worries.
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And then your your favorite hero, the good guy, is gonna come back.
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You know, it's funny.
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I mean, uh, you know, I've had I've had fraction on a couple of times and we talked about Jorge.
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I mean, Jorge not only is like, you know, he's he's he just turned 40.
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He looks like he's 25, he's about as fit as a as a 22-year-old.
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I mean, if you took his job, there's a good chance he's gonna come and like either beat you up or smile you to death.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Probably, probably.
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Yeah, it can do either to me.
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I'm I'm gonna lose no matter what.
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So yeah, despite you, uh despite you always wearing your your tank tops with your tattoos.
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I mean, you know, yeah, it's all appearance at all.
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It's all just for looks, you know.
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You know those those insects that you know they they look like bees just to scare other animals away, but they they don't they can't sting, they they cannot do anything.
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So yeah, they're just the the bumblebees.
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Yeah, they're they're bumblebees.
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Yeah, basically, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I mean, then again, you know, I don't know how connected you are, being that you're an Italian, and I might as well just stereotype you right away.
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Um, you know, you might be connected, so who knows?
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You know, oh yeah, I know, of course.
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Yeah, does he sleep with the fishes tonight?
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Yeah, yeah, of course, of course.
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I have my cement there over there, you know, my horses, my my horses' heads over there.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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You have like a like a meat locker of horses' heads.
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Exactly, exactly.
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And of course, I own how you call the the the thing where that you used to crash cars, like old cars.
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Oh, yeah, I don't know what that's called.
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Just the yeah, the case.
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In case I really don't like someone, that's that's the you know, that's the one.
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And here we are mafia stereotypes or Italian stereotypes 101.
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Welcome to direct edition.
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Oh, let me grab my mandolin.
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You know, funny thing, I don't think I've ever talked about this on the podcast before.
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Um, when I was like 13 or 14, I know this is about you and you're my guest, but when I was like 13 or 14, I was doing research on something in the library, you know, for school.
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Yeah, long story short, I found out that my uncle, his name was Irving Wexler, went by another name and it was Waxy Gordon.
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And Waxy Gordon worked under Lucky Luciano.
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Yeah, yeah, he worked under Lucky Luciano and was part of the tri the New York, you know, uh tri-state area mob.
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And like I couldn't believe it.
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And my nobody in my family ever talked about it because my as my dad's uncle, and so my my grandma um on my dad's side, she never wanted to talk about that part of the family.
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Lo and behold, you know, it's like 15, 20 years after I found out he was a character on uh Boardwalk Empire season two.
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Holy shit, really.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So I mean, I'm not there's no uh that mob doesn't exist anymore, but uh technically I'm descendant of an actual mobster.
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That's awesome, man.
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That's awesome.
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I might I might be.
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I mean, my my last name clearly, like you're not Italian, but if you were Italian, like my you you would immediately connect my last name with the south of Italy, because whatever a last name ends with an A, it's usually from Naples down, basically.
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And uh, so you know, I might I actually if you look for Matteo Scalera, there's a Matteo Scalera who's uh who's not uh a relative of mine, who's a criminal, like has been going in and out of jail, and he comes from a place like nearby where my father was uh born.
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So yeah.
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Oh wow.
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Yeah.
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What does scalera mean?
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Does it is it what's the what's your last name mean?
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Uh doesn't doesn't have like it it reminds of scala, which is stairs.
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So, but it's you know, and in in Spanish, La Escalera is the stairs, but uh but I I don't know the actual like I don't know the actual origin of that last name.
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All I know that in in that area, which is Apulia, that region of Italy, there's a lot of uh scaleras over there.
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That's all I know.
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If if you wanted to scare somebody, you could say, you know, it's uh it's Italian for scalpel, and you cut precision, so don't cross me.
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Exactly.
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That's that's what I'm gonna use.
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Thanks, man.
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Thank you.
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Yeah, and then in America, you can just instead of Dumb Shark, you can go by Matteo the scalpel.
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The scalpel mountain or the scalpel man, oh no, the scalpel, the scalpel, yeah.
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Just just yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Just the tool, yeah.
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More intimidating.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, exactly, exactly.
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And then, you know, then I don't know, it might change your entire like, you know, DC might call you and say, listen, we just kicked everybody off off of the Batman book, so you it's just yours now, Mr.
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Scalpel.
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Your editor, you're the you everyone, everyone.
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If you need somebody, just for free, they'll do it for free.
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No problem.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And we've solved, we've solved the rest of your career path.
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Uh, not that you were looking for it, but you know, it's just just in case it's nice, it's nice to know that I have options, you know.
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Sure, sure.
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Yeah, Jim Lee will call up and be like, um, Mr.
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Scalpel, um, you know, just in case you want, I I don't need to be president.
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I don't, I don't, you know, and then you'll just be like, uh, okay.
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Can you imagine like a year after like DC's completely failed?
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Like completely out of business.
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Yeah.
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They sell Batman to like the the to like uh I don't know, Nintendo or something, like a bigger company.
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And yeah, of course.
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Yeah, absolute scolera is the book that that kills everything.
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Oh my cousins and and relatives are drawing the and and writing the uh any any title.
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I mean in perfect Italian style, you know, nepotism at its uh you know at its foolish.
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No not to uh not to harp on it too much, but that's kind of what happened to the American government over the course of the last year and a half.
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You see?
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Yeah, yeah.
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So we're good at letting things get ruined.
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But anyway, anyway, so um I didn't I I was so happy to hear this.
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I mean, not that I don't want to see Jorge Jimenez on every issue of Batman, but you know, you're you're doing uh the issue 13 of 14, which is part of the bad seeds or kind of giant, yeah.
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Yeah, big big score lines, yeah.
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How how did this come to you?
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I mean, um did Fraction pick you?
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Did you know, was it was it just something that like the bad editors hit you up?
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Yeah, I got contacted by the editor or Rob Blabb uh Levin, I think is the last pronunciation for his name.
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And um he he had been contacted me multiple times to do stuff, uh Batman-related stuff in general.
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And every time, like especially over the past like three years, since you know, I've I've been super busy, you know, working on my book, The The Forefather.
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Um I I every time I had to say, dude, I'm you know, I'm sorry, I can't do that.
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I appreciate it that you keep calling.
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And in general, DC's always been very, very nice to me over the past, I would say, four or five, even six, seven years, probably.
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I I can't, I you know, I can't remember exactly when, but they've always contacted me with you know really nice gigs.
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Like it's this is not the first time that I got asked to do Batman.
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Like right a few years ago, I got asked to do like a full story arc, even more, probably six issues.
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And every time I had to say no, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
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And you know, with those emails where at a certain point you have to specify, like, hey, I'm not trying to avoid working with you guys, it's just the timing, it's not matching my schedule.
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Uh so I was like, dude, this time I I see there's some room in my schedule.
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I make sure that I have some extra room in my schedule.
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I'm gonna make it happen, you know?
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And uh so yeah, I I decided to this time to to make it happen.
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And in the future, we're thinking about you know a more like longer term type of uh collaboration.
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Uh it still hasn't shape up in terms of which character, which story, the writer, and all that stuff.
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But for sure, like I there's a there's a chunk of my schedule in the future that I that will be dedicated to that to do a big thing with uh with DC.
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Um that's awesome.
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So but yeah, this is a kind of appetizer, so I decided okay, let's let's do these these two issues.
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And uh yeah, I I literally uh last Friday I I delivered the last page from issue number 14.
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So my work is done unless they need some last minute, you know, changes.
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Um so yeah, yeah.
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I just finished I'm enjoying my this extra week that I you know originally was destined to you know work on that book, but I finished slightly earlier.
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I got a couple of really good weeks in terms of like work-wise.
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So I have this uh weekend, you know, that you know, a free week that I decided to fill up with, you know, mounting IKEA IKEA stuff and whatever.
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Yeah, all the stuff that I left behind over the past three years.
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Yeah.
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You know, um yeah, you've been a real you've been real busy over the last year and change.
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I mean, with Fourth Father, which uh you still have you have you gone to uh Georgia yet?
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No, you haven't gone to science.
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No, no, no.
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Right now, what I have is uh I mean I have we have every everything's being printed.
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So this is the the TPP version, the soft cover, and this is the the artist, the studio edition, not the artist edition, sorry.
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Yeah, right, right.
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Everything is uh you don't want Scott Dunbeer suing you.
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Oh yeah.
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So everything's done.
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Uh it was printed like at this point more than a month ago.
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Uh the only problem, like originally, by now, like the the the books originally were scheduled to arrive in Georgia and France for the other distributor at the end of August.
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But uh there's been some delays in shipping because you know we're shipping by boat.
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So what happens, you can't just say, okay, this is the day we're shipping.
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You just give the pallets to a guy and they put it on a plane and it flies.
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It's uh with a boat, you gotta wait for the right boat.
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You know, there's a there's a specific schedule, there's not a boat that leaves every day for for the states or a boat that leaves every day for France.
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So and there's been hurricanes uh over the past weeks over there, so all the all the boats uh departures have been delayed.
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So but the the boat to the states already left, so uh it should be arriving in less than a month in in the states.
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And uh and the one to France should have left today, I think.
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They still have to contact should have left today.
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Uh but um we don't know when it's gonna be arriving, probably around the end of September.
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So we're gonna be slightly late on schedule, but that's completely, you know, that's that's life.
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You know, that's like the books were ready months and months ago, so that's you know, and everything's being just every delay is just gonna it it was just you know processed stuff like printing and then backing the books, and then which is completely out of our control, you know.
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Oh, of course, of course.
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And I think everybody understands that in general these days.
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Like it's when you're especially when you're dealing with something that's like a mass amount of books.
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If it was like, oh, I I was you know, I had to do this commission for somebody three years ago and I'm just getting to it, then you'd understandably, but yeah, this is a little bit more than that.
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I mean, I will say though, to the defense of everything you just said, I mean, you're a shark.
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How the fuck are you not swimming with these pallets attached to your feet and you know, you know, just right doing that?
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Yeah, yeah.
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But listen, I mean, I don't know.
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I if I made the rules, you'd be swimming that shit over, but hey, I don't.
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Uh um, getting get getting back to Batman though, um, what's I I've never I I didn't I don't think I've ever asked anybody on when it comes to working with Matt or Matt himself, but what are his scripts like?
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So um I can tell you I cannot tell you for sure because before starting to work on it, like we had uh uh you know a quick presentation of the of the team, and and before delivering the script, uh Matt asked me, so what's your favorite type of script in terms of like how do you like the script to be written?
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It wasn't asking me sure you know, suggestion about the script.
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Yeah, right, but uh, but the style.
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So and and you know, the the way he wrote it, it was perfect for me.
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Then I don't know if that's how we usually write scripts, but the the way I like it is a nice, very nice description when it comes to a new, you know, establishing shot, like we're in a new, you know, we're in a building for blah blah blah, and specific, you know, kind of soldiers to be here and blah blah.
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So I like it to be descripted what needed, and then when the action starts and stuff like that, we don't, you know, you I I don't need it to be that descriptive, so we can tell me, you know, A talks to B and C talks to D.
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That's it, you know.
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Uh, and that's what the script was like, and also I had really appreciated the fact that there was um a premise in my in my script telling me how you know excited Matt was to be working with me, and you know, he gave me compliments and you know, he described the the specific stuff that I did in specific books and how much liked it, and how much he was he imagined that stuff to be on our book too.
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So it was really a really flattering, you know, premise to the to the to the the whole script, the actual script.
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So I really appreciate it.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Oh, that's awesome.
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Yeah, he I mean this book is now you're coming in exactly a year into Matt uh taking over with Jorge, and it's been I mean we've all said it in conversations with each other privately or in public, like the stuff that DC's doing with the bat, both bat books, obviously.
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It's it's it feels like a renaissance of the character, yeah, even though it you know and it and it's nice.
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Uh sorry to interrupt.
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Did you want to finish?
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Okay.
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So and and it's nice how they didn't tag along with the Batman, the absolute Batman thing.
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Like they did their own thing, they're successful by doing something completely different.
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Like the new their Batman is colorful.
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There's a lot of manga influences, so there's you know, it's completely very designy.
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There's a lot of designy stuff.
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Anytime he uses a you know a new a new gadget or stuff, you have you know, it's dedicated, you know, caption and all this stuff here, little display cool futuristic stuff.
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So it's and and they found their lane, which is you know, which works perfectly, you know.
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Yeah, and it, you know, uh your style coming in, you know, from 12 issues of of Jorge's feels real natural.
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I mean, you sent me the um, you know, the pages without any of the the letters and stuff on it, and I'm looking at it.
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First of all, your covers are fucking insane.
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Those two covers are amazing.
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Yeah.
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Um, and what I really liked is and you know, without spoiling, well, it's it's just I can tell there's certain well, maybe I'm wrong, but there's some action sequences and some shots.
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I'm like, oh, is Mateo?
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Did Mateo just watch the raid?
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The uh the one of the greatest action movies of all time, or maybe you didn't, but there's some some vibes of the raid I'm gonna do.
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Yeah, it was mentioned.
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It was mentioned in the script.
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The that that premise that was mentioned in the script, and also uh as uh the the other one that uh at the beginning of Daredevil season two, I think, the whole one shot uh in the in the staircase, uh that was that was one of the references as well.
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And um, yeah, yeah, no, absolutely.
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And you're talking about the style.
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I you know, in this case, what happened was that you know you you you're entering a T.
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Basically, there's a team, there's a solid team that's been working together for a year and it's working really well together.
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And then they just grab one of the main, you know, part of parts of it and they put you there, right in the middle of this thing.
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So in this case, and you you just gotta be there for like two issues and try not to screw up anything, you know.
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So that's that's the main goal in that case.
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So um especially for the fact that you know, and also the colorist is a very different colorist in terms of style from you know, compared to what I use normally as a colorist, which normally I request very unsaturated colors and stuff like that.
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In this case, we have a Batman with a very, very bright colors and you know, very the colors are are are are are a character uh of uh their own in the story, you know.
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So in order not to kill that feeling, that vibe, I decided at the last second, I was like, team, I hope I don't, you know, it doesn't I I don't seem like lazy or anything, but I've decided at the end not to put the gray tones, uh not to use gray tones for this book because I think that in order to flourish, like Tumeo, Tomo, I don't know how to say it, uh his uh first name, Timo Moray.
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I think it's Timo.
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Yeah, in order to, you know, to shine, they need more white areas, you know.
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So I'm I'm gonna pull back on the gray tones and all that stuff that have the tendency to kill you know the brightness of colors and and give to mo some some proper space, you know.
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And uh so and even stuck, you know, stylistically inevitably, when you know that you're just gonna be a blip in a whole you know thing, in a whole huge thing, you try not to be too like, oh guys, here I am, you know.
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Yeah, you know, a new boss has entered the room, you know.
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No, it's just yeah, cool down, cool off, and uh try to be you know respectful of what you're stepping in.
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You know, it's in it.
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Was that tough?
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Was that a tough decision with the you know taking out the gray tones, especially after you know working on the fourth father for the last you know amount of years, and that is you know a black and white book.
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Yeah, it was, you know, and also some solution, some some graphic solution with a black and white light.
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Normally now I create also another type of gray tones just by scratching and scratching with lines, and in this case I didn't want to do that because there's nothing, none of that in you know, and in Jorges work.
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So uh it was kind of painful because it's not the thing that I'm used to now.
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But sure, it you know, on the opposite side, when I received then the colours by by Tomoth, I was like, I did, you know, I did the right thing, you know.
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It took him like a few pages, I would say the first like three, four pages to warm up to that, you know, to my pages because still I'm not Horge, you know, no matter how much I I make an effort to be more designy and more clean, I'm never gonna be Horge.
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So it took a few pages to you know balance it out, find the right, you know, balance between rendering, the you know, shading and all this stuff.
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But you know, the last pages to me, like the whole the whole part in the staircase.
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I was like, okay, yeah, okay, now we're you know, it looks amazing.
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Yeah.
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It does.
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And that's it's interesting because when you think about that kind of situation with a, you know, almost like it's almost like a video game, right?
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Like when the raid came out and Judge Dread, they both came out similar and they had that kind of same almost video game plot.
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It's easier to think about and execute that on screen, right?
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You you've got cameras that move around and all that, but to do it in a comic, it feels like you have to pick your shots and you have to pick them right.
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And did you find like in the prelim stages of just that kind of sequence was you were figuring a lot out?
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Uh yeah, at the same time, I'm pretty used to do like action scenes, especially because like a lot of uh and this is what happens here.
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Like a lot of writers, when they know that they've never worked with me and they know they have a chance to work with me.
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Maybe not, not because that's I'm ready.
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The way I'm sounding right now, I'm like yuck.
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But I have a chance to be in my aura.
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Yeah, exactly.
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But it generally speaking, and and and I'm orge is another beast at you know at drawing action scenes.
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But generally speaking, uh, you know, I but it's probably the way I I perform the best, even though it's not my necessarily my favorite thing to do, but probably is the the the the action scenes are the moment where you know not all the artists are able to deliver on that.
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Like other artists, amazing artists, they're not that great at doing it.
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I I'm I'm really good at doing that.
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I have a I have good instincts on action scenes.
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You do.
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So I I always find myself, you know, doing action scenes, like inevitably.
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So I'm you know, I develop uh a certain level skills and knowledge.
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So now it's not it's not that hard for me, you know.
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You can in this case there's the store stairwell, so the staircase, yeah, which makes things a little bit more complicated, if you will.
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But uh, but it, you know, it's my it's one of my uh you know, my again yuck specialties, you know.
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So it's it's good.
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I'm I'm comfortable in then kind of waters, you know.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I was just yeah, I was thinking in terms of that one page that I I just kind of stuck in my head as kind of like a you know, you're looking down at the staircase, and like I I've heard a lot of people talk about you know, stairs are very tough to execute, you know, because of the perspective on on it.
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Yeah, because they have to follow a different perspective.
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So you have to work on two different perspectives, like the the flat parts of the staircase follow a certain perspective, and then the stairs, they follow a different one.
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So um, so yeah, it's not it's not always easy.
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Uh the good thing is that like I have a style, I'm not super accurate in my stuff because it's it's the way I work, you know.
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Because it's action.
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Yeah, it's action, and generally speaking, I'm not a guy that needs like I don't use the rulers and all the stuff.
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I just go with my instinct.
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I look at the stuff, like, yeah, that kind of works.
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Okay, I'm good, you know.
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I'm not uh I'm still of the uh the idea of that still, you know, comic books is uh comics is a is a quick art, you know.
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So uh I'm not I'm not gonna spend like an entire week just for a staircase.
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That's basically my basic thing.
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And um, but yeah, yeah, I again it was uh it's fun, it's not it's not easy, but once you have the full script and you know the confines where you have to move, then I it's really hard.
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You know, I I should have like a script in front of you know a script in front of us and just tell you, okay, in this case I would do this, but then two panels after I need this, so this one doesn't work.
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But in my head, one once I see it, I start visualizing and already know, okay, this this one will work, this one won't, and then you start excluding, you know, like like signing off solutions, and then you end up with just a few choices, and it's it becomes pretty easy at the end of the day, you know.
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I think you know it's interesting because I think you're you're one of those artists in comics that can pull off action that doesn't get confusing.
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I think what you're saying is makes sense to me, and I think there's some people, and I don't I can't think of anything specifically, but I there are some comics I read, I'm like, what just happened?
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And and when you're doing very dynamic things and you're doing action, you have to give, because it's not a movie, you have to give the readers at least the reader has to be able to fill in the next panel with their head.
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If you're skipping ahead in the action, like I, as a reader, have to be able to be like, oh, okay, yeah, he kicked him, he fell off the stairs, but I didn't see the part where he fell, I just saw him hit the ground on the next level.
00:31:16.240 --> 00:31:17.279
Yeah, that kind of thing.
00:31:17.359 --> 00:31:27.359
And and I think some action comics miss that part because they're thinking about it in terms of as the artist instead of is this a good reading experience?
00:31:27.599 --> 00:31:28.240
Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah, you've you uh a lot of artists tend to focus on just the moment, and they don't take care about the moments in between the moments.
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So now your moment is just a moment, but you didn't do anything to create, you know, an a nice bed for that moment to happen, you know, a nice a nice environment for that moment to happen, and you do that by learning how to manage time in the panel.
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So a very like strong action makes sense if you're able to suspend time before that and create a nice environment for that moment, you know.
00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:13.680
Uh otherwise it's just a succession of nice drawings, you know, but it's of cool images.
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The the reading experience is not that uh you know satisfying.
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Yeah, and I think Jorge and even you know, skip over to Absolute Batman and Nick are both doing great jobs of of those things.
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And it's funny because I I mean I definitely I think if Eric is listening to this right now, he probably was vomiting in his mouth for the last 15 minutes listening to talk.
00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:51.839
But but but it's pretty cool that both of you have now completed two issue uh fill-ins on each of the Batman titles, also using Poison Ivy in both of your, you know, in in the stories.
00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:53.519
But uh yeah, that's right.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And something that he said, something that everybody that I've talked to that's working in or around the absolute universe is uh or DC in general, is uh how the level of collaboration is at a 10 right now, and it seems like you're also saying uh too.
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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
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They're they're amazing, especially like uh considering this big event that they're you know they're managing this uh Bad Seeds big event, like it covers every fucking aside from the absolute you know universe, yeah like it's covering every single fucking title there is there, you know, and it's uh it's complicated.
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Like at a certain point, I was I remember I was in a conversation with uh uh Camo Camunkoli Giuseppe, who's doing another thing that's related to this big event, because there's a moment in which you know our stories overlap, and we did a specific place to be to look the same in my book and his book, but this place also some elements of it appeared on one cover and another book.
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So it was the four of us like exchanging emails and stuff.
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I was like, okay, you know what?
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I'm gonna decide I'm gonna design that, okay?
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And then share it with the group.
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Okay, so I'm gonna use that and gonna add that.
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Is that cool with you?
00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:21.760
Okay, so it was uh it's it's a lot of work uh to to make it work properly, you know.
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So I was really surprised, and everything's being you know super cool and well organized in the team.
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So I couldn't, you know, couldn't ask for a better better team to work with.
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That's awesome, yeah.
00:34:33.199 --> 00:34:48.719
And then uh, you know, it it it seems that um, you know, it's just there's a lot of enthusiasm going on in DC that's not just you know, it's not about headlines, it's about actually, you know, making people talk about these books.
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I mean, I've been talking about the you know, what's been going on DC for two years.
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I've had pretty much everybody except Scott Snyder on talking about these books, and uh it's just it really feels like um that kind of enthusiasm that we had when we were younger, uh looking at what was going on at Marvel pre-image, with at least with the artist there.
00:35:10.719 --> 00:35:16.800
Yeah, but the DC stuff is like story and art, yeah, which has been a really great thing to see.
00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:17.840
Oh, yeah, definitely.
00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:26.079
I mean, it's not you know, it's not uh a coincidence, like the the the the level of success they're they're gonna get, it's not a coincidence at all.
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Like it's uh everything is top-notch.
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And uh it's it's funny because it every time you know somebody mentions the the success that DC's having, like it reminds me of that.
00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:46.559
Hey, I might have talked uh about that here as well on this podcast, or I mentioned very I mentioned it various times for sure on the Ink Paul podcast.
00:35:46.719 --> 00:35:55.920
Like every time it reminds me of an episode that I saw of uh Miller time, uh the podcast by Mark Miller.
00:35:56.559 --> 00:36:08.800
And he yeah, he invited one time he had this uh thing called this special episode called um what do you call it, retailer roundup or something like that?
00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:10.800
Yeah, yeah, the retailer round table, yeah.
00:36:11.039 --> 00:36:11.920
Round table, okay.
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And and yeah, he was basically invited over like four big retailers and discuss about the state of the industry and stuff like that.
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And it was basically two years ago, more or less, two or three years ago.
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And and basically the whole at the end of the day, someone had a specific solution, some other one had you know something to say about it, but they all agreed on the fact that if you like if you invest and decide, okay, I'm gonna just hire the top people to do the top writers with the top artists, we're paying them good money, and and we're gonna invest on that on this thing.
00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:54.960
You know, it's not just gonna be oh, let's try.
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No, we're going hardcore, we only hire the best people to do the job, and you know, things will start moving again, and you know, lo and behold, I don't know if DC or someone at the over at DC listened to that specific episode, but lo and behold, they did that, and you know, it'll work, it worked.
00:37:18.639 --> 00:37:23.760
I think also there's one well, there's two things to that that I'll I'll add on in agreement.
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First of all, you got Jim Lee as president, so Jim, if you know, he's got a brilliant mind, otherwise, he wouldn't have gotten as far as he's gotten in his career on every front.
00:37:36.159 --> 00:37:42.079
It's not just being president, it's one of the most sought-after artists, one of the most popular, one of the most respected.
00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:49.599
But I think the other thing is you can hire people, but what you can't hire is passion.
00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:53.519
And yeah, everybody that they did hire is passionate.
00:37:53.760 --> 00:37:57.039
You can't like create, you know, like you can't manufacture passion.
00:37:57.119 --> 00:37:57.920
That's what I'm trying to say.
00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:02.719
Yeah, and in talking, and and I'm sure you know this, you know, we we both do.
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We're we're we're talking to people all the time, whether it's on camera or not.
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Everybody just seems to be super passionate about what they're doing.
00:38:11.119 --> 00:38:19.039
And I think the other added layer to it is everybody that's part of that absolute universe, or you know, a guy like Fraction, you know, or G.
00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:25.599
Willow Wilson, they've all had success independent with their own creator owner or independent books.
00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:26.320
Yeah, yeah, you're right.
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And they're bringing that energy into DC right now.
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:31.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
00:38:31.679 --> 00:38:32.400
So absolutely.
00:38:32.480 --> 00:38:39.360
That's why I was talking to Sean recently, uh, for people that don't know Sean Crystal, my partner in crime over at Ngpulp.
00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:40.639
Like Ink Daddy.
00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:41.599
Uh, yeah.
00:38:42.159 --> 00:39:00.400
And uh we were, you know, we were talking about the fact that a lot of absolute books are coming out, and and I'm like, okay, on the one hand, I'm I'm kind of scared because I want this thing that's been so successful and so cool not to be like overly milked.
00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:01.840
I don't know how to say that, you know.
00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:02.320
Sure.
00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:13.199
And there's always that chance, but at the same time, they keep hiring, they keep they're keeping the same spirit, which is always hiring like very, very, very good people.
00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:21.199
They're not just feeling the an empty space with whatever happened, whatever they have there, you know, whatever comes handy.
00:39:21.360 --> 00:39:30.800
Like they're so they're infusing that passion on each, you know, every other title of this huge Batman universe.
00:39:31.039 --> 00:39:36.559
So it's you know, as long as they keep this spirit alive, that they're good.
00:39:36.719 --> 00:39:40.639
It's not gonna look like her we'll just milk in the cow, you know, and it's it's great.
00:39:40.800 --> 00:39:42.000
Yeah, you know.
00:39:42.800 --> 00:40:03.599
And and then kind of going on to we could talk about, you know, like comparing what the kind of love that Eric received after doing the two-issue run on Absolute, and he's talked about it on Ink Pulp, you know, he's basically riding, at least at the conventions, he's kind of riding the success and like being there to sign the books and to talk to people about it.
00:40:03.760 --> 00:40:09.679
And so, I mean, and you are no stranger to a successful career.
00:40:09.760 --> 00:40:21.519
I mean, Black Science is a perfect example of that, and all the stuff you've done with the mark, but you know, and you've had your runs in in Batman books and you know, with Sean Gordon Murphy's book and all that.
00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:40.400
Are you excited to see what when these two issues come out, like the new wave of fans you get, and like the new wave of people that are gonna be looking at your older books and clearly, you know, Fourth Father, even though it was Kickstarter, I'm sure you're gonna be able to have copies available for people in the future.
00:40:40.719 --> 00:40:44.000
Yeah, it's always, you know, it's I I don't know.
00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:53.920
I try not to pay too much attention to that kind of stuff because what I've learned in general, and no disrespect to any kind of fans, whatever.
00:40:54.079 --> 00:40:58.239
Like you the if you like comic books, we're all family, so it's it's it's cool.
00:40:58.559 --> 00:41:24.480
But generally speaking, the tendency is if those fans are Batman fans, they're you know, they're become fans, they'll start they don't become fans, they start liking you because you worked on your favorite on their favorite character, and if you did a good job, they'll like you.
00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:28.480
And if you did a bad job, they'll hate you.
00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:38.400
But that's I think generally speaking, then of course you can gain some actual fan that will start getting passionate about your work outside of that fan.
00:41:38.559 --> 00:41:52.320
But generally speaking, what what will happen most of the time is that if you did a good job, you you know, you have you have uh you have a group of people that now are more aware of you in general, and they sure and they like you because you did a good job of their character.
00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:55.280
That's the the the tendency, I think.
00:41:55.440 --> 00:41:56.159
But we'll see.
00:41:56.239 --> 00:41:57.599
I'll you know, I'll let you know.
00:41:57.679 --> 00:42:05.920
But I I still see it as pretty pretty much connected to the character, not you know right, not the artists.
00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:06.960
Yeah, yeah.
00:42:07.119 --> 00:42:08.880
I I think, I think, but we'll see.
00:42:09.039 --> 00:42:10.000
We'll see, you know.
00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:43.760
I I think typically, I think in the past, I think it's a very accurate statement, almost like, you know, too accurate, but I think right now people are hungry, they're not just hungry for for their favorite character, they're hungry for story, and they're hungry to to explore new things as a lot of you know the mass media kind of gets taken away, you know, physical physical media is actually kind of back on a rise because people want they want to own stuff.
00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:52.320
And what's better than like, oh, uh, let me check out this guy's other books because I can buy them and I can own them, yeah, and I can put them on the shelf and I can have an omnibus.
00:42:52.400 --> 00:43:01.679
So I think I think we're seeing a lot of people, and this is in my obviously my view, everybody experiences this, but you know, I'm around shops, I'm around conventions.
00:43:01.760 --> 00:43:12.800
Yeah, I'm just seeing a lot of people being excited to be shown something new and have some more to explore and go backwards and and check out you know what what came before.
00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:16.320
But well, you know, it's it's to be seen.
00:43:16.480 --> 00:43:18.000
Yeah, to be seen, absolutely.
00:43:18.159 --> 00:43:19.119
Like again, I'm open.
00:43:19.199 --> 00:43:21.519
Like, if that happens, I'll be the happiest man on heart.
00:43:21.679 --> 00:43:22.960
Like, uh I'm I'm super lappy.
00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:24.960
I'm I'm open to any opportunity.
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:31.119
Uh probably may maybe I would say that probably like maybe again.
00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:39.280
Well only time will tell, but maybe just the two issues run is not enough, maybe to get you know, to get to know me as a as an artist.
00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:40.559
So uh we'll see.
00:43:40.639 --> 00:43:56.239
Maybe, maybe if if uh what I what I what I told you earlier, like maybe something something a little bigger, you know, with a with a larger, yeah, you know, with uh with a larger timeline uh will help more, probably.
00:43:56.400 --> 00:43:59.519
Like my my dream, I've always said that, so this is not a secret line.
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:14.800
My dream would have would be to have my own like standalone like mini-series, possibly Batman, because that's what usually offers the best, you know, as the best offers for that.
00:44:14.880 --> 00:44:21.840
Like I'm thinking about Arkham Asylum, whatever, hush, like all those, you know, big uh long Halloween.
00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:24.960
Long Halloween and all that stuff, you know.
00:44:25.119 --> 00:44:30.079
So that's usually what it what it's what it's being in the Batman history.
00:44:30.159 --> 00:44:48.800
It's it's a character, I think, that it's it's it's really uh I don't know, it's uh it it suits, you know, having it's suitable for having you know uh extra stories that are yeah, they're not necessarily connected to the main storyline and and interpretation.
00:44:49.199 --> 00:44:49.519
Yeah.
00:44:49.760 --> 00:44:51.119
So yeah.
00:44:51.440 --> 00:45:02.880
So yeah, that that's my my my my dream would would be to have something like that, you know, sooner or later in my in my eastern like in my career.
00:45:02.960 --> 00:45:05.760
So we'll see if what we can make it happen.
00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:08.719
I can make dreams come true.
00:45:12.079 --> 00:45:13.440
I mean, we'll see.
00:45:13.599 --> 00:45:14.960
No, but I I I agree.
00:45:15.039 --> 00:45:32.320
I think I've long said in my personal life just to people, like I think Batman is the greatest fictional character of modern history because of the fact like if we were to just list all of our favorite Batman things, there might be three different mediums and ten different interpretations, you know.
00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:37.199
Like people talk, oh, the best Batman is the original animated series, and it's hard to disagree with that.
00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:46.159
Yeah, you know, it's hard to say that Bruce Timm's Batman and Paul Deany isn't the greatest interpretation, but then you know, some people say uh Tim Sale and Jeff Loeb.
00:45:46.320 --> 00:46:17.760
And you know, so yeah, I do think um I I would love to see whatever you would cook up, and you know, and and now you kind of you know you you explored you've explored a lot of different versions of what comics can be, whether it's a creator-owned series like with Rick Remender on Black Science or all the stuff you did with Mark, and then you know, Fourth Father, what you did by yourself, and so yeah, I love that you're able to bounce in and out of doing any kind of project that comes your way.
00:46:18.079 --> 00:46:18.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:46:18.960 --> 00:46:22.239
And in in in general, I've always made this kind of selection.
00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:25.519
Like uh as I'm working on something, I'm thinking, huh.
00:46:25.679 --> 00:46:28.639
I wonder what it would be to do this, you know.
00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:40.800
Like, for example, in in the case of you know, The Four Thoughter, like I wonder what it would be to do like a completely independent book, like just write everything by myself, draw everything, and then try to publish it independently, you know?
00:46:41.039 --> 00:46:46.639
And then I try and do that, you know, and then I wonder why and and whatever.
00:46:46.719 --> 00:46:52.480
Like, I I like even working with uh Mark Bellar, I I'm gonna do another book with him like soon.
00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:55.440
I'll start uh you know, October, I think.
00:46:55.679 --> 00:47:17.679
And uh, you know, it's just that you know working with Mark is super easy, is he's the nicest guy ever, and it's it's really easy to work with him, and and he you know, he he's really on top of that, he's really appreciative of working with artists, so he tries every time to make sure that the artists get compensated really well, yeah.
00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:19.760
And that definitely helps.
00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:25.760
So, you know, getting paid a lot of money, and I'm working with people that I like, like what's you know, there's nothing to lose.
00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:26.880
So drawback.
00:47:27.039 --> 00:47:27.280
Yeah.
00:47:27.519 --> 00:48:00.159
So now, after three years of just grinding and grinding, I can finally okay, let's go back and work with my friend that I really like, and it's really easy to work with for a few months since you know I have a baby coming, so I need something really easy, easy going, and you know, with a with a a decent amount of time, so without having to run against, you know, really tight deadlines and stuff like that, and all not having teams like huge teams depending on my you know my my you know uh output and stuff like that.
00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:01.360
So everything's easier.
00:48:01.440 --> 00:48:03.840
So I'm just gonna do that, and then you know, who knows?
00:48:04.079 --> 00:48:06.159
I it's it's nice to hear you say that.
00:48:06.320 --> 00:48:14.480
I mean, I know you're you're a pretty open and honest person, and it's you know, somebody might interpret it like, oh, but he's just coasting.
00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:32.880
No, the the thing is, is you never phone in a page, you never die, you know, it's always gonna be this amazing art style, but it is it it's I mean, Mark is somebody who I think what I say the most about Mark is like every artist that's ever worked with him has kind of echoed what you said.
00:48:33.039 --> 00:48:38.400
It's like he's easy to work with, I like working with him, and he takes care of everybody involved in the book.
00:48:38.480 --> 00:48:53.280
Yeah, and I think he is very aware of you know using Jack Kirby as a lesson, yeah, you know, or you know, guy like that, or you know, just the people that were taken advantage of by the by the big two for years.
00:48:53.599 --> 00:48:55.199
He wanted to do the opposite of that.
00:48:55.440 --> 00:48:57.199
Yeah, no, no, definitely, definitely.
00:48:57.440 --> 00:49:11.760
And um, and yeah, again, it's like I don't know, to me, this whole I I try to make my my career as also a life experience because this is the thing that's gonna be taking a lot of time, you know, out of my day.
00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:14.719
So why don't I make it a life experience as well?
00:49:14.880 --> 00:49:19.599
So think about it, and you know, trying to do okay, what what do I need right now?
00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:28.480
Like, do I need like even even the fact that I've been grinding over the past three years, like it wasn't like my life was not that way before that.
00:49:28.719 --> 00:49:44.239
I decided, like, you know what, because I'm I'm not a really competitive person, generally speaking, but I was seeing that, you know, over and I'm talking back then, like three, four years ago, by doing this, I was making great money.
00:49:44.559 --> 00:49:48.559
My life is was so fucking easy, like, oh, you have no idea, man.
00:49:48.719 --> 00:49:56.880
I was so relaxed, like I didn't know stress aside from some moments when we have a tight, tighter deadline than usual than usual.
00:49:57.039 --> 00:50:06.400
But normally, like for I don't know, like seven years of my life, work was so easy, I was making money, and everything was perfect.
00:50:06.559 --> 00:50:15.039
But then I was like, I was seeing other people like you know, having a lot of success with this and this and that, and doing a lot of stuff, and oh, this guy's everywhere.
00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:16.960
Oh, this guy's probably making a lot of money.
00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:19.679
And my competitive side, you know, came out.
00:50:19.760 --> 00:50:20.960
I was like, you know what?
00:50:21.199 --> 00:50:24.880
I want to do, you know, my you know, I want to do my book and show everybody.
00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:27.199
I have a story that I think it's worth telling.
00:50:27.280 --> 00:50:28.639
So I want to do that.
00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:35.360
And you know, in case something, you know, I've been saying no to DC over the past few years about you know Batman stuff.
00:50:35.440 --> 00:50:40.079
I want to do some Batman stuff and show, you know, show the world what I'm capable of and stuff like that.
00:50:40.239 --> 00:50:50.480
So I, you know, my my competitive side, I let it come out, and now I'm like, hey, I'm uh I'm having my second kid, you know, I you know, I don't need to be competitive.
00:50:50.960 --> 00:50:52.639
I did it, I did my book.
00:50:52.719 --> 00:50:56.400
The books are gonna be in my Becker's hands soon.
00:50:56.639 --> 00:50:57.840
Everything's gonna be fine.
00:50:58.000 --> 00:51:04.719
I can't, you know, lower the you know the level of grinding and be, you know, more calm for a while.
00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:05.840
And you know, we'll see.
00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:08.239
Maybe I'll become competitive again in a few months.
00:51:08.480 --> 00:51:09.039
Who knows?
00:51:09.199 --> 00:51:09.760
You know?
00:51:10.480 --> 00:51:10.880
Yeah.
00:51:10.960 --> 00:51:18.719
I'm I mean, look, I'm excited to uh to get the fourth father in my hands and you know judge you uh uh as much as I possibly can.
00:51:19.599 --> 00:51:24.559
Have you read the the digital uh version or you're waiting for the I'm waiting, yeah.
00:51:26.239 --> 00:51:34.800
Yeah, I I don't unless I really have to read a digital book, like I've read some stuff previous to doing an interview digitally.
00:51:34.960 --> 00:51:40.880
Um, I there's never a point where I'm like, yeah, I'm excited to sit at my computer and read a book.
00:51:41.039 --> 00:51:43.840
Like yeah, it's just it's not who I am.
00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:50.400
And I think, you know, I I praise people that are reading digitally, it just would not hold my attention.
00:51:50.480 --> 00:51:51.440
I would forget about it.
00:51:51.519 --> 00:51:59.840
Like the act of having a physical book in a pile next to my bed means Dave, you've got something to do, and it's sitting right next to you, and you're gonna enjoy it.
00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:14.320
Or, you know, I just finished reading the second deluxe edition of Lone Wolf and Cub and I had it on my table next to my reading chair, and like there's nothing that makes me happier than to put on some music, put that book in my lap, and just you know, read for an hour.
00:52:14.480 --> 00:52:17.119
Yeah, I know, no, absolutely makes sense, makes sense.
00:52:17.360 --> 00:52:18.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:52:18.559 --> 00:52:25.599
But no, I don't want to spoil my reading experience with you know, the first time I read The Fourth Father by by reading it digitally.
00:52:25.679 --> 00:52:26.639
Yeah, I can wait.
00:52:26.719 --> 00:52:27.679
I'm a patient boy.
00:52:27.840 --> 00:52:33.440
Or if we want, I I can send you the print files and you print it out in your house just with the the printer.
00:52:34.400 --> 00:52:36.079
Yeah, yeah, that you staple it.
00:52:36.239 --> 00:52:38.320
It's like bootleg, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:52:38.559 --> 00:52:40.639
Bootleg style, like to the max.
00:52:40.800 --> 00:52:42.880
Uh, you know, uh no, I'll wait.
00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:43.360
I'll wait.
00:52:43.519 --> 00:52:44.639
I almost asked Sean.
00:52:44.880 --> 00:52:47.519
I almost asked Sean, can you send me one of the printer proofs?
00:52:47.679 --> 00:52:53.920
But I I wanna I wanna get that art that studio edition and the TBP and TPB.
00:52:54.000 --> 00:52:54.559
Yeah.
00:52:54.800 --> 00:53:05.599
Um so before we get going, because we are gonna record another video that's gonna be available on West Coast Avengers, which is gonna be a flip-through of of uh Todd McFarland's Spider-Man.
00:53:05.840 --> 00:53:08.079
Speaking of physical books, yeah.
00:53:08.320 --> 00:53:09.440
Yeah, there we go.
00:53:09.679 --> 00:53:10.239
Yep.
00:53:10.400 --> 00:53:12.480
I have I have so many copies of that.
00:53:12.639 --> 00:53:18.320
But um, I don't you don't have anything on on uh for cons for the rest of the year except New York.
00:53:18.719 --> 00:53:20.320
Yeah, New York is the last one.
00:53:20.400 --> 00:53:38.000
Yeah, I I I I actually have a lot of traveling to do because I I gotta do I gotta go twice to France, once for uh one time for you know signing and doing all the sketches and uh books for my Kickstarter campaign.
00:53:38.239 --> 00:53:47.519
And uh and then uh the end of September uh the the French actually version of the Fourth Fighter is gonna come out.
00:53:47.599 --> 00:53:48.079
The first book.
00:53:48.159 --> 00:53:51.039
They're dividing the series in two books.
00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:56.559
So it's gonna be chapter one, two, three, and then chapter four and five are gonna be in a separate book.
00:53:56.800 --> 00:54:08.480
Uh so it's gonna come out for uh Astrolab, which is a new is a new label by Urban Comics, which is uh on is under their go.
00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:19.199
So the Urban Comics is are is the publisher that usually makes like DC books and all that stuff, all the American stuff, even Black Science is published by them in France.
00:54:19.519 --> 00:54:21.360
And they normally just license stuff.
00:54:21.440 --> 00:54:26.719
And in this case, they decided to create their own label where they produce like creator own stuff.
00:54:26.960 --> 00:54:27.679
Oh, that's right.
00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:29.280
And uh yeah, yeah, absolutely.
00:54:29.360 --> 00:54:39.519
So it's gonna come out in colors uh in uh in France, and they're gonna launch at the end of the end of September alongside with the last driver, uh, Sean Murphy's new book.
00:54:39.760 --> 00:54:41.840
And so we're gonna tour together in France.
00:54:41.920 --> 00:54:45.119
So I'm trying to I'll be trying to merge the two things.
00:54:45.280 --> 00:54:54.480
So I'll probably fly over to France a little bit earlier to do my to sign my books from the campaign, and then I'll do the tour.
00:54:54.719 --> 00:54:55.920
Um wow.
00:54:56.159 --> 00:55:05.360
And then yeah, I'll have to travel to Georgia to to sign to do the same, basically, but for for the US backers and stuff like that.
00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:06.559
So right, right.
00:55:06.719 --> 00:55:12.320
Which, you know, I'm sure that'll be a fun day of just destroying your fun couple of days of destroying your wrists, but hey.
00:55:12.559 --> 00:55:24.159
Oh, dude, I've already told Sean, like, we need because I have like overall 300 sketches to do, like 200 in the States, more or less, and a hundred in uh in uh in France.
00:55:24.320 --> 00:55:33.440
And I told Sean, like, listen, you let's order like a small, like uh portable bed or something like that, and I'll just sleep in the studio.
00:55:33.519 --> 00:55:42.320
You know, I have to maximize, I can't spend like 10 days over there, so I'm gonna just you know sleep and draw and sleep and draw and that's it, you know.
00:55:43.119 --> 00:55:53.599
Jerkov occasionally, of course, but yeah, I was gonna say you just gotta make sure you switch up, you know, your your hands on that one because you know, or you know, you just have Sean do it for you.
00:55:53.760 --> 00:55:55.039
I don't, you know, I don't know.
00:55:55.199 --> 00:55:56.239
He's he's probably into it.
00:55:56.400 --> 00:55:59.199
He's probably yeah, probably not a good idea.
00:56:00.880 --> 00:56:02.480
We're just doing it just for the book, okay?
00:56:02.719 --> 00:56:12.719
Just give me a speaking of Sean Chrysler, you can catch Mateo every week mostly on on Ink Pulp, except when I was on.
00:56:12.960 --> 00:56:15.440
You you're you know showed when I was on Ink Pulp.
00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:16.320
So Oh shit.
00:56:16.400 --> 00:56:23.119
Yeah, that was the the the Yeah, that was the the uh how do you say like the highest level grind late?
00:56:23.199 --> 00:56:25.599
I was I I had no time for anything.
00:56:25.679 --> 00:56:28.000
That drawing was all I was doing.
00:56:28.079 --> 00:56:32.480
So I'm sorry about that, but it was impossible to to do everything.
00:56:32.880 --> 00:56:35.280
Just it just means I'll have to be on again.
00:56:35.360 --> 00:56:37.199
So I'll bug Sean about that.
00:56:37.519 --> 00:56:41.039
I'll buy we do an episode, just you and I, and that's it.
00:56:41.199 --> 00:56:42.079
Oh, hell yeah.
00:56:42.239 --> 00:56:50.719
Yeah, that I then I can be as weird and wild, and we can just talk about like exactly yeah, weird stuff like sketching and jerking off.
00:56:50.960 --> 00:56:58.239
Yeah, I can stay another hour, and then you gave us that hour, and we'll put it on uh yeah, on our channel.
00:56:59.519 --> 00:57:00.480
Oh god.
00:57:00.800 --> 00:57:04.800
Uh well with that, uh Mateo.
00:57:04.880 --> 00:57:05.840
I appreciate you being here.
00:57:05.920 --> 00:57:10.079
Uh Bad Seeds, well, Batman 13, about September 2nd, I believe.
00:57:10.559 --> 00:57:12.079
Yeah, early September, yeah.
00:57:12.159 --> 00:57:15.119
And and 14 is coming out early October, for of course.
00:57:15.440 --> 00:57:16.239
Early October.
00:57:16.400 --> 00:57:22.400
So people know they can get Batman at literally every single comic shop in the entire world.
00:57:22.639 --> 00:57:24.559
It's not a hard book to find.
00:57:24.639 --> 00:57:26.000
It is Batman.
00:57:26.239 --> 00:57:31.440
Um, and then the fourth father will be coming into Backers Hands probably towards the end of the year, maybe.
00:57:31.679 --> 00:57:37.679
Oh no, no, it's gonna be it's gonna be like possibly uh before New York.
00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:39.679
So the late September.
00:57:39.840 --> 00:57:49.360
Um worst case scenario, early October, like mid-October tops, like that around those between mid-September and mid-October.
00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:52.320
Those are those are you will have your book around that.
00:57:52.559 --> 00:58:02.000
And uh yeah, and after that, like if you own a comic book shop, we'll uh be opening uh orders for shops and stuff like that.
00:58:02.159 --> 00:58:07.280
Um, and then for the next year, it will be available if you don't know what we're talking about.
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It will be available, uh, or if you miss your opportunity uh uh during the campaign, the Kickstarter campaign, it will be available on the Inkpulp uh website.
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So, you know, stay tuned for that.
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Inkpulp.tv.
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Do you do you do you want to do a bye-bye?
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Do we should we do a bye-bye?
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You want to do it together and see your last nose?
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Yeah, last time we did it, I blew my microphone out, but this is a different microphone now.
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I I I just I I would love to.
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All right.
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You you you do the countdown.
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All right, three, two, one.
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Thank you for watching.
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Thank you to Mateo for agreeing to be a third-time guest on Direct Edition, and it's not the last time he'll be on.
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Um, and it was great.
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Uh, you'll get to see the flip through of Todd McFarland's Spider-Man the Torment issues uh on West Coast Avengers.
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If I haven't dropped it already, it'll be dropping this following Sunday.
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So you'll be able to watch that.
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Um, Fourth Father, like he said, will be available.
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Uh there will be copies available through inkpulp.tv whenever fulfillment is done.
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And you can catch Mateo at New York Comic-Con in October.
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Uh, he doesn't drink coffee, so you can't offer to buy him a coffee, but you can give him a hug and say it's from Dave, and then he'll be like, Dave who?
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West Coast Dave, direct edition, Dave.
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Oh, I hate that guy.
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Anyway, for me, uh, you could do a couple of things to help me out.
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One is you can give money to your local food bank.
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Actually, please donate money when you can, um, or food, but for real, you can hit like.
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It's probably a bunch of places that I don't even know exist.
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Generally, the direct edition episodes on the Patreon are a solo episode of me kind of just ranting about something, talking about different things that are going on.
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Uh, I'll talk about the movies I've seen, music I'm listening to, that kind of thing.
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If you're looking to buy books for me, the web store is open.
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I'm updating it weekly.
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Usually try to add five to ten to twenty items every week.
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And finally, the last thing I'll say, and then I'll I'll let you get on with your day, is uh I have a tea public store where you can buy t-shirts.
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I I mean, it's basically, and I'll be frank here because I I'm Dave everywhere else.
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Um I don't make a lot of money from the shirts, but it's kind of like it's marketing.
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You know, you can buy a direct edition shirt, you could buy a C Todd by Todd shirt.
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Somebody says, Oh, what is that?
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And then you say, Oh, it's this fucking idiot or your bearded guy who does this podcast and this, you know, this other thing, and I I support him, you know, or don't.
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I don't know.
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Anyway, my name is Dave.
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Your name is Steve or Marianne or Daryl or Phil, but I'm still Dave.
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This is direct edition, and I'll see you next week.
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I had really appreciated the fact that there was a a premise in my script telling me how excited Matt was to be working with me.
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And, you know, he gave me compliments and you know, he described the the specific stuff that I did in specific books and how much he liked it and how much he was he imagined that stuff to be on our book too.
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So it was really a really flattering, you know, premise to the to the to the the whole script, the actual script.
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So I really appreciate it.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Welcome back to Direct Edition, a podcast where I host artists and musicians and creators to talk about their art, their influences, and what we love about the art that exists out in the world.
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And today we're talking about some comics.
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And I've got my good friend Matteo Scalera from Parma, Italy, to talk about cheese, the art of cheese.
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I am lying, that's not what we're talking about.
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We're talking about Batman.
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Yes, yes, yes.
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The Cape Crusader.
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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That man.
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And uh Mateo's gearing up for a two-issue fill-in run on the mainline Batman book, which is written by Matt Fraction and normally penciled by the great Jorge Jimenez.
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But we're switching countries from Jorge's native Spain to Mateo's native Italia.
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I I love having Mateo on, and I think you're gonna really enjoy this episode, but it's very loose.
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We just talk about a couple of different things besides Batman.
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We talk about his creator-owned book, The Fourth Father, which is complete.
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And the Kickstarter, uh, you, me, everybody that back to Kickstarter is gonna be getting them in their hands in a couple months.
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He talks about a little bit of what's next.
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I think we talk about some some other comics and stuff here.
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Honestly, uh, it was just a great chat with Mateo.
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But what's really cool about it is not only is it this video, but I will be having another video with Mateo on West Coast Avengers, my other channel, where we flip through all five issues of Todd McFarland's torment, the first five issues he did for the adjective adjectiveless Spider-Man.
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So those are gonna be two completely separate episodes.
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The flip through stuff is gonna stay on West Coast Avengers, and the podcast stuff is gonna stay here on direct edition.
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And uh you'll be able to see Mateo if you're going to uh New York Comic-Con this year.
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And like I said, the issues for Batman are coming out in September and October.
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I want to say it's September 2nd is issue 13, and then October, probably around the second or whatever that first Wednesday is, will be issue 14, part of the bad seeds.
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Big, big, big uh crossover they're doing uh in Gotham with I think it's it's basically Matt Fraction and G.
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Will Wilson are the head kind of creators on that.
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Um, and you can always see Mateo every week on Ink Pulp, whether you want to or not.
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And this uh this interview does contain a bye-bye.
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So there's that too.
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Um, I want to say before we get into the interview, thank you for being here.
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Um, we are crossing over 115 episodes of direct edition, which I um honestly never thought it would have gone this far in the best way possible.
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So um, you know, and and continue to show up, and if you can leave comments and stuff like that, just any engagement or sharing this with somebody like hey, check out this podcast where this weird bearded guy talks to all these really creative people, and he has no business doing so.
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I'm just kidding.
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Anyway, why don't we chat with the cheese man, Mateo Scalera?
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Hey there, what are you?
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It's just me.
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Uh welcome back.
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Hey, welcome back, friends.
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Uh, today I'm welcoming a third-time guest.
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He's part of a special group.
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You know him.
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He's the master of the Italian inks, he is an ink pulper, he is the dumb shark, and he has now taken Jorge Jimenez's job on Batman with Matt Fraction.
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For good for good.
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And I'm talking of a Teo Scalera himself.
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I'm taking your job, you fucking Spaniard.
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No, I'm not.
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Just two issues, people.
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No worries.
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I studied on the on the on an on inkpulp as well.
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It's just gonna be two issues, no worries.
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And then your your favorite hero, the good guy, is gonna come back.
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You know, it's funny.
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I mean, uh, you know, I've had I've had fraction on a couple of times and we talked about Jorge.
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I mean, Jorge not only is like, you know, he's he's he just turned 40.
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He looks like he's 25, he's about as fit as a as a 22-year-old.
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I mean, if you took his job, there's a good chance he's gonna come and like either beat you up or smile you to death.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Probably, probably.
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Yeah, it can do either to me.
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I'm I'm gonna lose no matter what.
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So yeah, despite you, uh despite you always wearing your your tank tops with your tattoos.
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I mean, you know, yeah, it's all appearance at all.
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It's all just for looks, you know.
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You know those those insects that you know they they look like bees just to scare other animals away, but they they don't they can't sting, they they cannot do anything.
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So yeah, they're just the the bumblebees.
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Yeah, they're they're bumblebees.
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Yeah, basically, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I mean, then again, you know, I don't know how connected you are, being that you're an Italian, and I might as well just stereotype you right away.
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Um, you know, you might be connected, so who knows?
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You know, oh yeah, I know, of course.
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Yeah, does he sleep with the fishes tonight?
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Yeah, yeah, of course, of course.
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I have my cement there over there, you know, my horses, my my horses' heads over there.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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You have like a like a meat locker of horses' heads.
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Exactly, exactly.
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And of course, I own how you call the the the thing where that you used to crash cars, like old cars.
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Oh, yeah, I don't know what that's called.
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Just the yeah, the case.
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In case I really don't like someone, that's that's the you know, that's the one.
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And here we are mafia stereotypes or Italian stereotypes 101.
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Welcome to direct edition.
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Oh, let me grab my mandolin.
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You know, funny thing, I don't think I've ever talked about this on the podcast before.
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Um, when I was like 13 or 14, I know this is about you and you're my guest, but when I was like 13 or 14, I was doing research on something in the library, you know, for school.
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Yeah, long story short, I found out that my uncle, his name was Irving Wexler, went by another name and it was Waxy Gordon.
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And Waxy Gordon worked under Lucky Luciano.
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Yeah, yeah, he worked under Lucky Luciano and was part of the tri the New York, you know, uh tri-state area mob.
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And like I couldn't believe it.
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And my nobody in my family ever talked about it because my as my dad's uncle, and so my my grandma um on my dad's side, she never wanted to talk about that part of the family.
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Lo and behold, you know, it's like 15, 20 years after I found out he was a character on uh Boardwalk Empire season two.
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Holy shit, really.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So I mean, I'm not there's no uh that mob doesn't exist anymore, but uh technically I'm descendant of an actual mobster.
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That's awesome, man.
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That's awesome.
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I might I might be.
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I mean, my my last name clearly, like you're not Italian, but if you were Italian, like my you you would immediately connect my last name with the south of Italy, because whatever a last name ends with an A, it's usually from Naples down, basically.
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And uh, so you know, I might I actually if you look for Matteo Scalera, there's a Matteo Scalera who's uh who's not uh a relative of mine, who's a criminal, like has been going in and out of jail, and he comes from a place like nearby where my father was uh born.
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So yeah.
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Oh wow.
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Yeah.
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What does scalera mean?
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Does it is it what's the what's your last name mean?
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Uh doesn't doesn't have like it it reminds of scala, which is stairs.
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So, but it's you know, and in in Spanish, La Escalera is the stairs, but uh but I I don't know the actual like I don't know the actual origin of that last name.
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All I know that in in that area, which is Apulia, that region of Italy, there's a lot of uh scaleras over there.
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That's all I know.
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If if you wanted to scare somebody, you could say, you know, it's uh it's Italian for scalpel, and you cut precision, so don't cross me.
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Exactly.
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That's that's what I'm gonna use.
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Thanks, man.
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Thank you.
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Yeah, and then in America, you can just instead of Dumb Shark, you can go by Matteo the scalpel.
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The scalpel mountain or the scalpel man, oh no, the scalpel, the scalpel, yeah.
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Just just yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Just the tool, yeah.
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More intimidating.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, exactly, exactly.
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And then, you know, then I don't know, it might change your entire like, you know, DC might call you and say, listen, we just kicked everybody off off of the Batman book, so you it's just yours now, Mr.
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Scalpel.
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Your editor, you're the you everyone, everyone.
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If you need somebody, just for free, they'll do it for free.
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No problem.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And we've solved, we've solved the rest of your career path.
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Uh, not that you were looking for it, but you know, it's just just in case it's nice, it's nice to know that I have options, you know.
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Sure, sure.
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Yeah, Jim Lee will call up and be like, um, Mr.
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Scalpel, um, you know, just in case you want, I I don't need to be president.
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I don't, I don't, you know, and then you'll just be like, uh, okay.
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Can you imagine like a year after like DC's completely failed?
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Like completely out of business.
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Yeah.
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They sell Batman to like the the to like uh I don't know, Nintendo or something, like a bigger company.
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And yeah, of course.
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Yeah, absolute scolera is the book that that kills everything.
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Oh my cousins and and relatives are drawing the and and writing the uh any any title.
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I mean in perfect Italian style, you know, nepotism at its uh you know at its foolish.
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No not to uh not to harp on it too much, but that's kind of what happened to the American government over the course of the last year and a half.
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You see?
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Yeah, yeah.
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So we're good at letting things get ruined.
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But anyway, anyway, so um I didn't I I was so happy to hear this.
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I mean, not that I don't want to see Jorge Jimenez on every issue of Batman, but you know, you're you're doing uh the issue 13 of 14, which is part of the bad seeds or kind of giant, yeah.
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Yeah, big big score lines, yeah.
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How how did this come to you?
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I mean, um did Fraction pick you?
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Did you know, was it was it just something that like the bad editors hit you up?
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Yeah, I got contacted by the editor or Rob Blabb uh Levin, I think is the last pronunciation for his name.
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And um he he had been contacted me multiple times to do stuff, uh Batman-related stuff in general.
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And every time, like especially over the past like three years, since you know, I've I've been super busy, you know, working on my book, The The Forefather.
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Um I I every time I had to say, dude, I'm you know, I'm sorry, I can't do that.
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I appreciate it that you keep calling.
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And in general, DC's always been very, very nice to me over the past, I would say, four or five, even six, seven years, probably.
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I I can't, I you know, I can't remember exactly when, but they've always contacted me with you know really nice gigs.
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Like it's this is not the first time that I got asked to do Batman.
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Like right a few years ago, I got asked to do like a full story arc, even more, probably six issues.
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And every time I had to say no, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
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And you know, with those emails where at a certain point you have to specify, like, hey, I'm not trying to avoid working with you guys, it's just the timing, it's not matching my schedule.
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Uh so I was like, dude, this time I I see there's some room in my schedule.
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I make sure that I have some extra room in my schedule.
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I'm gonna make it happen, you know?
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And uh so yeah, I I decided to this time to to make it happen.
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And in the future, we're thinking about you know a more like longer term type of uh collaboration.
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Uh it still hasn't shape up in terms of which character, which story, the writer, and all that stuff.
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But for sure, like I there's a there's a chunk of my schedule in the future that I that will be dedicated to that to do a big thing with uh with DC.
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Um that's awesome.
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So but yeah, this is a kind of appetizer, so I decided okay, let's let's do these these two issues.
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And uh yeah, I I literally uh last Friday I I delivered the last page from issue number 14.
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So my work is done unless they need some last minute, you know, changes.
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Um so yeah, yeah.
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I just finished I'm enjoying my this extra week that I you know originally was destined to you know work on that book, but I finished slightly earlier.
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I got a couple of really good weeks in terms of like work-wise.
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So I have this uh weekend, you know, that you know, a free week that I decided to fill up with, you know, mounting IKEA IKEA stuff and whatever.
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Yeah, all the stuff that I left behind over the past three years.
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Yeah.
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You know, um yeah, you've been a real you've been real busy over the last year and change.
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I mean, with Fourth Father, which uh you still have you have you gone to uh Georgia yet?
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No, you haven't gone to science.
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No, no, no.
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Right now, what I have is uh I mean I have we have every everything's being printed.
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So this is the the TPP version, the soft cover, and this is the the artist, the studio edition, not the artist edition, sorry.
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Yeah, right, right.
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Everything is uh you don't want Scott Dunbeer suing you.
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Oh yeah.
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So everything's done.
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Uh it was printed like at this point more than a month ago.
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Uh the only problem, like originally, by now, like the the the books originally were scheduled to arrive in Georgia and France for the other distributor at the end of August.
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But uh there's been some delays in shipping because you know we're shipping by boat.
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So what happens, you can't just say, okay, this is the day we're shipping.
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You just give the pallets to a guy and they put it on a plane and it flies.
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It's uh with a boat, you gotta wait for the right boat.
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You know, there's a there's a specific schedule, there's not a boat that leaves every day for for the states or a boat that leaves every day for France.
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So and there's been hurricanes uh over the past weeks over there, so all the all the boats uh departures have been delayed.
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So but the the boat to the states already left, so uh it should be arriving in less than a month in in the states.
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And uh and the one to France should have left today, I think.
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They still have to contact should have left today.
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Uh but um we don't know when it's gonna be arriving, probably around the end of September.
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So we're gonna be slightly late on schedule, but that's completely, you know, that's that's life.
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You know, that's like the books were ready months and months ago, so that's you know, and everything's being just every delay is just gonna it it was just you know processed stuff like printing and then backing the books, and then which is completely out of our control, you know.
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Oh, of course, of course.
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And I think everybody understands that in general these days.
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Like it's when you're especially when you're dealing with something that's like a mass amount of books.
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If it was like, oh, I I was you know, I had to do this commission for somebody three years ago and I'm just getting to it, then you'd understandably, but yeah, this is a little bit more than that.
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I mean, I will say though, to the defense of everything you just said, I mean, you're a shark.
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How the fuck are you not swimming with these pallets attached to your feet and you know, you know, just right doing that?
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Yeah, yeah.
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But listen, I mean, I don't know.
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I if I made the rules, you'd be swimming that shit over, but hey, I don't.
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Uh um, getting get getting back to Batman though, um, what's I I've never I I didn't I don't think I've ever asked anybody on when it comes to working with Matt or Matt himself, but what are his scripts like?
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So um I can tell you I cannot tell you for sure because before starting to work on it, like we had uh uh you know a quick presentation of the of the team, and and before delivering the script, uh Matt asked me, so what's your favorite type of script in terms of like how do you like the script to be written?
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It wasn't asking me sure you know, suggestion about the script.
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Yeah, right, but uh, but the style.
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So and and you know, the the way he wrote it, it was perfect for me.
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Then I don't know if that's how we usually write scripts, but the the way I like it is a nice, very nice description when it comes to a new, you know, establishing shot, like we're in a new, you know, we're in a building for blah blah blah, and specific, you know, kind of soldiers to be here and blah blah.
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So I like it to be descripted what needed, and then when the action starts and stuff like that, we don't, you know, you I I don't need it to be that descriptive, so we can tell me, you know, A talks to B and C talks to D.
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That's it, you know.
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Uh, and that's what the script was like, and also I had really appreciated the fact that there was um a premise in my in my script telling me how you know excited Matt was to be working with me, and you know, he gave me compliments and you know, he described the the specific stuff that I did in specific books and how much liked it, and how much he was he imagined that stuff to be on our book too.
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So it was really a really flattering, you know, premise to the to the to the the whole script, the actual script.
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So I really appreciate it.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Oh, that's awesome.
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Yeah, he I mean this book is now you're coming in exactly a year into Matt uh taking over with Jorge, and it's been I mean we've all said it in conversations with each other privately or in public, like the stuff that DC's doing with the bat, both bat books, obviously.
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It's it's it feels like a renaissance of the character, yeah, even though it you know and it and it's nice.
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Uh sorry to interrupt.
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Did you want to finish?
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Okay.
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So and and it's nice how they didn't tag along with the Batman, the absolute Batman thing.
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Like they did their own thing, they're successful by doing something completely different.
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Like the new their Batman is colorful.
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There's a lot of manga influences, so there's you know, it's completely very designy.
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There's a lot of designy stuff.
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Anytime he uses a you know a new a new gadget or stuff, you have you know, it's dedicated, you know, caption and all this stuff here, little display cool futuristic stuff.
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So it's and and they found their lane, which is you know, which works perfectly, you know.
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Yeah, and it, you know, uh your style coming in, you know, from 12 issues of of Jorge's feels real natural.
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I mean, you sent me the um, you know, the pages without any of the the letters and stuff on it, and I'm looking at it.
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First of all, your covers are fucking insane.
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Those two covers are amazing.
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Yeah.
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Um, and what I really liked is and you know, without spoiling, well, it's it's just I can tell there's certain well, maybe I'm wrong, but there's some action sequences and some shots.
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I'm like, oh, is Mateo?
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Did Mateo just watch the raid?
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The uh the one of the greatest action movies of all time, or maybe you didn't, but there's some some vibes of the raid I'm gonna do.
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Yeah, it was mentioned.
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It was mentioned in the script.
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The that that premise that was mentioned in the script, and also uh as uh the the other one that uh at the beginning of Daredevil season two, I think, the whole one shot uh in the in the staircase, uh that was that was one of the references as well.
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And um, yeah, yeah, no, absolutely.
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And you're talking about the style.
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I you know, in this case, what happened was that you know you you you're entering a T.
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Basically, there's a team, there's a solid team that's been working together for a year and it's working really well together.
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And then they just grab one of the main, you know, part of parts of it and they put you there, right in the middle of this thing.
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So in this case, and you you just gotta be there for like two issues and try not to screw up anything, you know.
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So that's that's the main goal in that case.
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So um especially for the fact that you know, and also the colorist is a very different colorist in terms of style from you know, compared to what I use normally as a colorist, which normally I request very unsaturated colors and stuff like that.
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In this case, we have a Batman with a very, very bright colors and you know, very the colors are are are are are a character uh of uh their own in the story, you know.
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So in order not to kill that feeling, that vibe, I decided at the last second, I was like, team, I hope I don't, you know, it doesn't I I don't seem like lazy or anything, but I've decided at the end not to put the gray tones, uh not to use gray tones for this book because I think that in order to flourish, like Tumeo, Tomo, I don't know how to say it, uh his uh first name, Timo Moray.
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I think it's Timo.
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Yeah, in order to, you know, to shine, they need more white areas, you know.
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So I'm I'm gonna pull back on the gray tones and all that stuff that have the tendency to kill you know the brightness of colors and and give to mo some some proper space, you know.
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And uh so and even stuck, you know, stylistically inevitably, when you know that you're just gonna be a blip in a whole you know thing, in a whole huge thing, you try not to be too like, oh guys, here I am, you know.
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Yeah, you know, a new boss has entered the room, you know.
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No, it's just yeah, cool down, cool off, and uh try to be you know respectful of what you're stepping in.
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You know, it's in it.
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Was that tough?
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Was that a tough decision with the you know taking out the gray tones, especially after you know working on the fourth father for the last you know amount of years, and that is you know a black and white book.
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Yeah, it was, you know, and also some solution, some some graphic solution with a black and white light.
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Normally now I create also another type of gray tones just by scratching and scratching with lines, and in this case I didn't want to do that because there's nothing, none of that in you know, and in Jorges work.
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So uh it was kind of painful because it's not the thing that I'm used to now.
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But sure, it you know, on the opposite side, when I received then the colours by by Tomoth, I was like, I did, you know, I did the right thing, you know.
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It took him like a few pages, I would say the first like three, four pages to warm up to that, you know, to my pages because still I'm not Horge, you know, no matter how much I I make an effort to be more designy and more clean, I'm never gonna be Horge.
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So it took a few pages to you know balance it out, find the right, you know, balance between rendering, the you know, shading and all this stuff.
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But you know, the last pages to me, like the whole the whole part in the staircase.
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I was like, okay, yeah, okay, now we're you know, it looks amazing.
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Yeah.
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It does.
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And that's it's interesting because when you think about that kind of situation with a, you know, almost like it's almost like a video game, right?
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Like when the raid came out and Judge Dread, they both came out similar and they had that kind of same almost video game plot.
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It's easier to think about and execute that on screen, right?
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You you've got cameras that move around and all that, but to do it in a comic, it feels like you have to pick your shots and you have to pick them right.
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And did you find like in the prelim stages of just that kind of sequence was you were figuring a lot out?
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Uh yeah, at the same time, I'm pretty used to do like action scenes, especially because like a lot of uh and this is what happens here.
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Like a lot of writers, when they know that they've never worked with me and they know they have a chance to work with me.
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Maybe not, not because that's I'm ready.
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The way I'm sounding right now, I'm like yuck.
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But I have a chance to be in my aura.
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Yeah, exactly.
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But it generally speaking, and and and I'm orge is another beast at you know at drawing action scenes.
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But generally speaking, uh, you know, I but it's probably the way I I perform the best, even though it's not my necessarily my favorite thing to do, but probably is the the the the action scenes are the moment where you know not all the artists are able to deliver on that.
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Like other artists, amazing artists, they're not that great at doing it.
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I I'm I'm really good at doing that.
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I have a I have good instincts on action scenes.
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You do.
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So I I always find myself, you know, doing action scenes, like inevitably.
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So I'm you know, I develop uh a certain level skills and knowledge.
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So now it's not it's not that hard for me, you know.
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You can in this case there's the store stairwell, so the staircase, yeah, which makes things a little bit more complicated, if you will.
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But uh, but it, you know, it's my it's one of my uh you know, my again yuck specialties, you know.
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So it's it's good.
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I'm I'm comfortable in then kind of waters, you know.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I was just yeah, I was thinking in terms of that one page that I I just kind of stuck in my head as kind of like a you know, you're looking down at the staircase, and like I I've heard a lot of people talk about you know, stairs are very tough to execute, you know, because of the perspective on on it.
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Yeah, because they have to follow a different perspective.
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So you have to work on two different perspectives, like the the flat parts of the staircase follow a certain perspective, and then the stairs, they follow a different one.
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So um, so yeah, it's not it's not always easy.
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Uh the good thing is that like I have a style, I'm not super accurate in my stuff because it's it's the way I work, you know.
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Because it's action.
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Yeah, it's action, and generally speaking, I'm not a guy that needs like I don't use the rulers and all the stuff.
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I just go with my instinct.
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I look at the stuff, like, yeah, that kind of works.
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Okay, I'm good, you know.
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I'm not uh I'm still of the uh the idea of that still, you know, comic books is uh comics is a is a quick art, you know.
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So uh I'm not I'm not gonna spend like an entire week just for a staircase.
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That's basically my basic thing.
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And um, but yeah, yeah, I again it was uh it's fun, it's not it's not easy, but once you have the full script and you know the confines where you have to move, then I it's really hard.
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You know, I I should have like a script in front of you know a script in front of us and just tell you, okay, in this case I would do this, but then two panels after I need this, so this one doesn't work.
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But in my head, one once I see it, I start visualizing and already know, okay, this this one will work, this one won't, and then you start excluding, you know, like like signing off solutions, and then you end up with just a few choices, and it's it becomes pretty easy at the end of the day, you know.
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I think you know it's interesting because I think you're you're one of those artists in comics that can pull off action that doesn't get confusing.
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I think what you're saying is makes sense to me, and I think there's some people, and I don't I can't think of anything specifically, but I there are some comics I read, I'm like, what just happened?
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And and when you're doing very dynamic things and you're doing action, you have to give, because it's not a movie, you have to give the readers at least the reader has to be able to fill in the next panel with their head.
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If you're skipping ahead in the action, like I, as a reader, have to be able to be like, oh, okay, yeah, he kicked him, he fell off the stairs, but I didn't see the part where he fell, I just saw him hit the ground on the next level.
00:31:16.240 --> 00:31:17.279
Yeah, that kind of thing.
00:31:17.359 --> 00:31:27.359
And and I think some action comics miss that part because they're thinking about it in terms of as the artist instead of is this a good reading experience?
00:31:27.599 --> 00:31:28.240
Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah, you've you uh a lot of artists tend to focus on just the moment, and they don't take care about the moments in between the moments.
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So now your moment is just a moment, but you didn't do anything to create, you know, an a nice bed for that moment to happen, you know, a nice a nice environment for that moment to happen, and you do that by learning how to manage time in the panel.
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So a very like strong action makes sense if you're able to suspend time before that and create a nice environment for that moment, you know.
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Uh otherwise it's just a succession of nice drawings, you know, but it's of cool images.
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The the reading experience is not that uh you know satisfying.
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Yeah, and I think Jorge and even you know, skip over to Absolute Batman and Nick are both doing great jobs of of those things.
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And it's funny because I I mean I definitely I think if Eric is listening to this right now, he probably was vomiting in his mouth for the last 15 minutes listening to talk.
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But but but it's pretty cool that both of you have now completed two issue uh fill-ins on each of the Batman titles, also using Poison Ivy in both of your, you know, in in the stories.
00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:53.519
But uh yeah, that's right.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And something that he said, something that everybody that I've talked to that's working in or around the absolute universe is uh or DC in general, is uh how the level of collaboration is at a 10 right now, and it seems like you're also saying uh too.
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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
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They're they're amazing, especially like uh considering this big event that they're you know they're managing this uh Bad Seeds big event, like it covers every fucking aside from the absolute you know universe, yeah like it's covering every single fucking title there is there, you know, and it's uh it's complicated.
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Like at a certain point, I was I remember I was in a conversation with uh uh Camo Camunkoli Giuseppe, who's doing another thing that's related to this big event, because there's a moment in which you know our stories overlap, and we did a specific place to be to look the same in my book and his book, but this place also some elements of it appeared on one cover and another book.
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So it was the four of us like exchanging emails and stuff.
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I was like, okay, you know what?
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I'm gonna decide I'm gonna design that, okay?
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And then share it with the group.
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Okay, so I'm gonna use that and gonna add that.
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Is that cool with you?
00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:21.760
Okay, so it was uh it's it's a lot of work uh to to make it work properly, you know.
00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:27.280
So I was really surprised, and everything's being you know super cool and well organized in the team.
00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:31.360
So I couldn't, you know, couldn't ask for a better better team to work with.
00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:33.119
That's awesome, yeah.
00:34:33.199 --> 00:34:48.719
And then uh, you know, it it it seems that um, you know, it's just there's a lot of enthusiasm going on in DC that's not just you know, it's not about headlines, it's about actually, you know, making people talk about these books.
00:34:48.800 --> 00:34:52.239
I mean, I've been talking about the you know, what's been going on DC for two years.
00:34:52.320 --> 00:35:10.639
I've had pretty much everybody except Scott Snyder on talking about these books, and uh it's just it really feels like um that kind of enthusiasm that we had when we were younger, uh looking at what was going on at Marvel pre-image, with at least with the artist there.
00:35:10.719 --> 00:35:16.800
Yeah, but the DC stuff is like story and art, yeah, which has been a really great thing to see.
00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:17.840
Oh, yeah, definitely.
00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:26.079
I mean, it's not you know, it's not uh a coincidence, like the the the the level of success they're they're gonna get, it's not a coincidence at all.
00:35:26.159 --> 00:35:28.800
Like it's uh everything is top-notch.
00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:37.760
And uh it's it's funny because it every time you know somebody mentions the the success that DC's having, like it reminds me of that.
00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:46.559
Hey, I might have talked uh about that here as well on this podcast, or I mentioned very I mentioned it various times for sure on the Ink Paul podcast.
00:35:46.719 --> 00:35:55.920
Like every time it reminds me of an episode that I saw of uh Miller time, uh the podcast by Mark Miller.
00:35:56.559 --> 00:36:08.800
And he yeah, he invited one time he had this uh thing called this special episode called um what do you call it, retailer roundup or something like that?
00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:10.800
Yeah, yeah, the retailer round table, yeah.
00:36:11.039 --> 00:36:11.920
Round table, okay.
00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:19.360
And and yeah, he was basically invited over like four big retailers and discuss about the state of the industry and stuff like that.
00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:22.719
And it was basically two years ago, more or less, two or three years ago.
00:36:23.280 --> 00:36:52.719
And and basically the whole at the end of the day, someone had a specific solution, some other one had you know something to say about it, but they all agreed on the fact that if you like if you invest and decide, okay, I'm gonna just hire the top people to do the top writers with the top artists, we're paying them good money, and and we're gonna invest on that on this thing.
00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:54.960
You know, it's not just gonna be oh, let's try.
00:36:55.039 --> 00:37:17.599
No, we're going hardcore, we only hire the best people to do the job, and you know, things will start moving again, and you know, lo and behold, I don't know if DC or someone at the over at DC listened to that specific episode, but lo and behold, they did that, and you know, it'll work, it worked.
00:37:18.639 --> 00:37:23.760
I think also there's one well, there's two things to that that I'll I'll add on in agreement.
00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:35.679
First of all, you got Jim Lee as president, so Jim, if you know, he's got a brilliant mind, otherwise, he wouldn't have gotten as far as he's gotten in his career on every front.
00:37:36.159 --> 00:37:42.079
It's not just being president, it's one of the most sought-after artists, one of the most popular, one of the most respected.
00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:49.599
But I think the other thing is you can hire people, but what you can't hire is passion.
00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:53.519
And yeah, everybody that they did hire is passionate.
00:37:53.760 --> 00:37:57.039
You can't like create, you know, like you can't manufacture passion.
00:37:57.119 --> 00:37:57.920
That's what I'm trying to say.
00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:02.719
Yeah, and in talking, and and I'm sure you know this, you know, we we both do.
00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:07.679
We're we're we're talking to people all the time, whether it's on camera or not.
00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:10.960
Everybody just seems to be super passionate about what they're doing.
00:38:11.119 --> 00:38:19.039
And I think the other added layer to it is everybody that's part of that absolute universe, or you know, a guy like Fraction, you know, or G.
00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:25.599
Willow Wilson, they've all had success independent with their own creator owner or independent books.
00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:26.320
Yeah, yeah, you're right.
00:38:26.480 --> 00:38:29.840
And they're bringing that energy into DC right now.
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:31.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
00:38:31.679 --> 00:38:32.400
So absolutely.
00:38:32.480 --> 00:38:39.360
That's why I was talking to Sean recently, uh, for people that don't know Sean Crystal, my partner in crime over at Ngpulp.
00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:40.639
Like Ink Daddy.
00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:41.599
Uh, yeah.
00:38:42.159 --> 00:39:00.400
And uh we were, you know, we were talking about the fact that a lot of absolute books are coming out, and and I'm like, okay, on the one hand, I'm I'm kind of scared because I want this thing that's been so successful and so cool not to be like overly milked.
00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:01.840
I don't know how to say that, you know.
00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:02.320
Sure.
00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:13.199
And there's always that chance, but at the same time, they keep hiring, they keep they're keeping the same spirit, which is always hiring like very, very, very good people.
00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:21.199
They're not just feeling the an empty space with whatever happened, whatever they have there, you know, whatever comes handy.
00:39:21.360 --> 00:39:30.800
Like they're so they're infusing that passion on each, you know, every other title of this huge Batman universe.
00:39:31.039 --> 00:39:36.559
So it's you know, as long as they keep this spirit alive, that they're good.
00:39:36.719 --> 00:39:40.639
It's not gonna look like her we'll just milk in the cow, you know, and it's it's great.
00:39:40.800 --> 00:39:42.000
Yeah, you know.
00:39:42.800 --> 00:40:03.599
And and then kind of going on to we could talk about, you know, like comparing what the kind of love that Eric received after doing the two-issue run on Absolute, and he's talked about it on Ink Pulp, you know, he's basically riding, at least at the conventions, he's kind of riding the success and like being there to sign the books and to talk to people about it.
00:40:03.760 --> 00:40:09.679
And so, I mean, and you are no stranger to a successful career.
00:40:09.760 --> 00:40:21.519
I mean, Black Science is a perfect example of that, and all the stuff you've done with the mark, but you know, and you've had your runs in in Batman books and you know, with Sean Gordon Murphy's book and all that.
00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:40.400
Are you excited to see what when these two issues come out, like the new wave of fans you get, and like the new wave of people that are gonna be looking at your older books and clearly, you know, Fourth Father, even though it was Kickstarter, I'm sure you're gonna be able to have copies available for people in the future.
00:40:40.719 --> 00:40:44.000
Yeah, it's always, you know, it's I I don't know.
00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:53.920
I try not to pay too much attention to that kind of stuff because what I've learned in general, and no disrespect to any kind of fans, whatever.
00:40:54.079 --> 00:40:58.239
Like you the if you like comic books, we're all family, so it's it's it's cool.
00:40:58.559 --> 00:41:24.480
But generally speaking, the tendency is if those fans are Batman fans, they're you know, they're become fans, they'll start they don't become fans, they start liking you because you worked on your favorite on their favorite character, and if you did a good job, they'll like you.
00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:28.480
And if you did a bad job, they'll hate you.
00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:38.400
But that's I think generally speaking, then of course you can gain some actual fan that will start getting passionate about your work outside of that fan.
00:41:38.559 --> 00:41:52.320
But generally speaking, what what will happen most of the time is that if you did a good job, you you know, you have you have uh you have a group of people that now are more aware of you in general, and they sure and they like you because you did a good job of their character.
00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:55.280
That's the the the tendency, I think.
00:41:55.440 --> 00:41:56.159
But we'll see.
00:41:56.239 --> 00:41:57.599
I'll you know, I'll let you know.
00:41:57.679 --> 00:42:05.920
But I I still see it as pretty pretty much connected to the character, not you know right, not the artists.
00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:06.960
Yeah, yeah.
00:42:07.119 --> 00:42:08.880
I I think, I think, but we'll see.
00:42:09.039 --> 00:42:10.000
We'll see, you know.
00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:43.760
I I think typically, I think in the past, I think it's a very accurate statement, almost like, you know, too accurate, but I think right now people are hungry, they're not just hungry for for their favorite character, they're hungry for story, and they're hungry to to explore new things as a lot of you know the mass media kind of gets taken away, you know, physical physical media is actually kind of back on a rise because people want they want to own stuff.
00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:52.320
And what's better than like, oh, uh, let me check out this guy's other books because I can buy them and I can own them, yeah, and I can put them on the shelf and I can have an omnibus.
00:42:52.400 --> 00:43:01.679
So I think I think we're seeing a lot of people, and this is in my obviously my view, everybody experiences this, but you know, I'm around shops, I'm around conventions.
00:43:01.760 --> 00:43:12.800
Yeah, I'm just seeing a lot of people being excited to be shown something new and have some more to explore and go backwards and and check out you know what what came before.
00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:16.320
But well, you know, it's it's to be seen.
00:43:16.480 --> 00:43:18.000
Yeah, to be seen, absolutely.
00:43:18.159 --> 00:43:19.119
Like again, I'm open.
00:43:19.199 --> 00:43:21.519
Like, if that happens, I'll be the happiest man on heart.
00:43:21.679 --> 00:43:22.960
Like, uh I'm I'm super lappy.
00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:24.960
I'm I'm open to any opportunity.
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:31.119
Uh probably may maybe I would say that probably like maybe again.
00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:39.280
Well only time will tell, but maybe just the two issues run is not enough, maybe to get you know, to get to know me as a as an artist.
00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:40.559
So uh we'll see.
00:43:40.639 --> 00:43:56.239
Maybe, maybe if if uh what I what I what I told you earlier, like maybe something something a little bigger, you know, with a with a larger, yeah, you know, with uh with a larger timeline uh will help more, probably.
00:43:56.400 --> 00:43:59.519
Like my my dream, I've always said that, so this is not a secret line.
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:14.800
My dream would have would be to have my own like standalone like mini-series, possibly Batman, because that's what usually offers the best, you know, as the best offers for that.
00:44:14.880 --> 00:44:21.840
Like I'm thinking about Arkham Asylum, whatever, hush, like all those, you know, big uh long Halloween.
00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:24.960
Long Halloween and all that stuff, you know.
00:44:25.119 --> 00:44:30.079
So that's usually what it what it's what it's being in the Batman history.
00:44:30.159 --> 00:44:48.800
It's it's a character, I think, that it's it's it's really uh I don't know, it's uh it it suits, you know, having it's suitable for having you know uh extra stories that are yeah, they're not necessarily connected to the main storyline and and interpretation.
00:44:49.199 --> 00:44:49.519
Yeah.
00:44:49.760 --> 00:44:51.119
So yeah.
00:44:51.440 --> 00:45:02.880
So yeah, that that's my my my my dream would would be to have something like that, you know, sooner or later in my in my eastern like in my career.
00:45:02.960 --> 00:45:05.760
So we'll see if what we can make it happen.
00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:08.719
I can make dreams come true.
00:45:12.079 --> 00:45:13.440
I mean, we'll see.
00:45:13.599 --> 00:45:14.960
No, but I I I agree.
00:45:15.039 --> 00:45:32.320
I think I've long said in my personal life just to people, like I think Batman is the greatest fictional character of modern history because of the fact like if we were to just list all of our favorite Batman things, there might be three different mediums and ten different interpretations, you know.
00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:37.199
Like people talk, oh, the best Batman is the original animated series, and it's hard to disagree with that.
00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:46.159
Yeah, you know, it's hard to say that Bruce Timm's Batman and Paul Deany isn't the greatest interpretation, but then you know, some people say uh Tim Sale and Jeff Loeb.
00:45:46.320 --> 00:46:17.760
And you know, so yeah, I do think um I I would love to see whatever you would cook up, and you know, and and now you kind of you know you you explored you've explored a lot of different versions of what comics can be, whether it's a creator-owned series like with Rick Remender on Black Science or all the stuff you did with Mark, and then you know, Fourth Father, what you did by yourself, and so yeah, I love that you're able to bounce in and out of doing any kind of project that comes your way.
00:46:18.079 --> 00:46:18.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:46:18.960 --> 00:46:22.239
And in in in general, I've always made this kind of selection.
00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:25.519
Like uh as I'm working on something, I'm thinking, huh.
00:46:25.679 --> 00:46:28.639
I wonder what it would be to do this, you know.
00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:40.800
Like, for example, in in the case of you know, The Four Thoughter, like I wonder what it would be to do like a completely independent book, like just write everything by myself, draw everything, and then try to publish it independently, you know?
00:46:41.039 --> 00:46:46.639
And then I try and do that, you know, and then I wonder why and and whatever.
00:46:46.719 --> 00:46:52.480
Like, I I like even working with uh Mark Bellar, I I'm gonna do another book with him like soon.
00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:55.440
I'll start uh you know, October, I think.
00:46:55.679 --> 00:47:17.679
And uh, you know, it's just that you know working with Mark is super easy, is he's the nicest guy ever, and it's it's really easy to work with him, and and he you know, he he's really on top of that, he's really appreciative of working with artists, so he tries every time to make sure that the artists get compensated really well, yeah.
00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:19.760
And that definitely helps.
00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:25.760
So, you know, getting paid a lot of money, and I'm working with people that I like, like what's you know, there's nothing to lose.
00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:26.880
So drawback.
00:47:27.039 --> 00:47:27.280
Yeah.
00:47:27.519 --> 00:48:00.159
So now, after three years of just grinding and grinding, I can finally okay, let's go back and work with my friend that I really like, and it's really easy to work with for a few months since you know I have a baby coming, so I need something really easy, easy going, and you know, with a with a a decent amount of time, so without having to run against, you know, really tight deadlines and stuff like that, and all not having teams like huge teams depending on my you know my my you know uh output and stuff like that.
00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:01.360
So everything's easier.
00:48:01.440 --> 00:48:03.840
So I'm just gonna do that, and then you know, who knows?
00:48:04.079 --> 00:48:06.159
I it's it's nice to hear you say that.
00:48:06.320 --> 00:48:14.480
I mean, I know you're you're a pretty open and honest person, and it's you know, somebody might interpret it like, oh, but he's just coasting.
00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:32.880
No, the the thing is, is you never phone in a page, you never die, you know, it's always gonna be this amazing art style, but it is it it's I mean, Mark is somebody who I think what I say the most about Mark is like every artist that's ever worked with him has kind of echoed what you said.
00:48:33.039 --> 00:48:38.400
It's like he's easy to work with, I like working with him, and he takes care of everybody involved in the book.
00:48:38.480 --> 00:48:53.280
Yeah, and I think he is very aware of you know using Jack Kirby as a lesson, yeah, you know, or you know, guy like that, or you know, just the people that were taken advantage of by the by the big two for years.
00:48:53.599 --> 00:48:55.199
He wanted to do the opposite of that.
00:48:55.440 --> 00:48:57.199
Yeah, no, no, definitely, definitely.
00:48:57.440 --> 00:49:11.760
And um, and yeah, again, it's like I don't know, to me, this whole I I try to make my my career as also a life experience because this is the thing that's gonna be taking a lot of time, you know, out of my day.
00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:14.719
So why don't I make it a life experience as well?
00:49:14.880 --> 00:49:19.599
So think about it, and you know, trying to do okay, what what do I need right now?
00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:28.480
Like, do I need like even even the fact that I've been grinding over the past three years, like it wasn't like my life was not that way before that.
00:49:28.719 --> 00:49:44.239
I decided, like, you know what, because I'm I'm not a really competitive person, generally speaking, but I was seeing that, you know, over and I'm talking back then, like three, four years ago, by doing this, I was making great money.
00:49:44.559 --> 00:49:48.559
My life is was so fucking easy, like, oh, you have no idea, man.
00:49:48.719 --> 00:49:56.880
I was so relaxed, like I didn't know stress aside from some moments when we have a tight, tighter deadline than usual than usual.
00:49:57.039 --> 00:50:06.400
But normally, like for I don't know, like seven years of my life, work was so easy, I was making money, and everything was perfect.
00:50:06.559 --> 00:50:15.039
But then I was like, I was seeing other people like you know, having a lot of success with this and this and that, and doing a lot of stuff, and oh, this guy's everywhere.
00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:16.960
Oh, this guy's probably making a lot of money.
00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:19.679
And my competitive side, you know, came out.
00:50:19.760 --> 00:50:20.960
I was like, you know what?
00:50:21.199 --> 00:50:24.880
I want to do, you know, my you know, I want to do my book and show everybody.
00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:27.199
I have a story that I think it's worth telling.
00:50:27.280 --> 00:50:28.639
So I want to do that.
00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:35.360
And you know, in case something, you know, I've been saying no to DC over the past few years about you know Batman stuff.
00:50:35.440 --> 00:50:40.079
I want to do some Batman stuff and show, you know, show the world what I'm capable of and stuff like that.
00:50:40.239 --> 00:50:50.480
So I, you know, my my competitive side, I let it come out, and now I'm like, hey, I'm uh I'm having my second kid, you know, I you know, I don't need to be competitive.
00:50:50.960 --> 00:50:52.639
I did it, I did my book.
00:50:52.719 --> 00:50:56.400
The books are gonna be in my Becker's hands soon.
00:50:56.639 --> 00:50:57.840
Everything's gonna be fine.
00:50:58.000 --> 00:51:04.719
I can't, you know, lower the you know the level of grinding and be, you know, more calm for a while.
00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:05.840
And you know, we'll see.
00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:08.239
Maybe I'll become competitive again in a few months.
00:51:08.480 --> 00:51:09.039
Who knows?
00:51:09.199 --> 00:51:09.760
You know?
00:51:10.480 --> 00:51:10.880
Yeah.
00:51:10.960 --> 00:51:18.719
I'm I mean, look, I'm excited to uh to get the fourth father in my hands and you know judge you uh uh as much as I possibly can.
00:51:19.599 --> 00:51:24.559
Have you read the the digital uh version or you're waiting for the I'm waiting, yeah.
00:51:26.239 --> 00:51:34.800
Yeah, I I don't unless I really have to read a digital book, like I've read some stuff previous to doing an interview digitally.
00:51:34.960 --> 00:51:40.880
Um, I there's never a point where I'm like, yeah, I'm excited to sit at my computer and read a book.
00:51:41.039 --> 00:51:43.840
Like yeah, it's just it's not who I am.
00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:50.400
And I think, you know, I I praise people that are reading digitally, it just would not hold my attention.
00:51:50.480 --> 00:51:51.440
I would forget about it.
00:51:51.519 --> 00:51:59.840
Like the act of having a physical book in a pile next to my bed means Dave, you've got something to do, and it's sitting right next to you, and you're gonna enjoy it.
00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:14.320
Or, you know, I just finished reading the second deluxe edition of Lone Wolf and Cub and I had it on my table next to my reading chair, and like there's nothing that makes me happier than to put on some music, put that book in my lap, and just you know, read for an hour.
00:52:14.480 --> 00:52:17.119
Yeah, I know, no, absolutely makes sense, makes sense.
00:52:17.360 --> 00:52:18.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:52:18.559 --> 00:52:25.599
But no, I don't want to spoil my reading experience with you know, the first time I read The Fourth Father by by reading it digitally.
00:52:25.679 --> 00:52:26.639
Yeah, I can wait.
00:52:26.719 --> 00:52:27.679
I'm a patient boy.
00:52:27.840 --> 00:52:33.440
Or if we want, I I can send you the print files and you print it out in your house just with the the printer.
00:52:34.400 --> 00:52:36.079
Yeah, yeah, that you staple it.
00:52:36.239 --> 00:52:38.320
It's like bootleg, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:52:38.559 --> 00:52:40.639
Bootleg style, like to the max.
00:52:40.800 --> 00:52:42.880
Uh, you know, uh no, I'll wait.
00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:43.360
I'll wait.
00:52:43.519 --> 00:52:44.639
I almost asked Sean.
00:52:44.880 --> 00:52:47.519
I almost asked Sean, can you send me one of the printer proofs?
00:52:47.679 --> 00:52:53.920
But I I wanna I wanna get that art that studio edition and the TBP and TPB.
00:52:54.000 --> 00:52:54.559
Yeah.
00:52:54.800 --> 00:53:05.599
Um so before we get going, because we are gonna record another video that's gonna be available on West Coast Avengers, which is gonna be a flip-through of of uh Todd McFarland's Spider-Man.
00:53:05.840 --> 00:53:08.079
Speaking of physical books, yeah.
00:53:08.320 --> 00:53:09.440
Yeah, there we go.
00:53:09.679 --> 00:53:10.239
Yep.
00:53:10.400 --> 00:53:12.480
I have I have so many copies of that.
00:53:12.639 --> 00:53:18.320
But um, I don't you don't have anything on on uh for cons for the rest of the year except New York.
00:53:18.719 --> 00:53:20.320
Yeah, New York is the last one.
00:53:20.400 --> 00:53:38.000
Yeah, I I I I actually have a lot of traveling to do because I I gotta do I gotta go twice to France, once for uh one time for you know signing and doing all the sketches and uh books for my Kickstarter campaign.
00:53:38.239 --> 00:53:47.519
And uh and then uh the end of September uh the the French actually version of the Fourth Fighter is gonna come out.
00:53:47.599 --> 00:53:48.079
The first book.
00:53:48.159 --> 00:53:51.039
They're dividing the series in two books.
00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:56.559
So it's gonna be chapter one, two, three, and then chapter four and five are gonna be in a separate book.
00:53:56.800 --> 00:54:08.480
Uh so it's gonna come out for uh Astrolab, which is a new is a new label by Urban Comics, which is uh on is under their go.
00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:19.199
So the Urban Comics is are is the publisher that usually makes like DC books and all that stuff, all the American stuff, even Black Science is published by them in France.
00:54:19.519 --> 00:54:21.360
And they normally just license stuff.
00:54:21.440 --> 00:54:26.719
And in this case, they decided to create their own label where they produce like creator own stuff.
00:54:26.960 --> 00:54:27.679
Oh, that's right.
00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:29.280
And uh yeah, yeah, absolutely.
00:54:29.360 --> 00:54:39.519
So it's gonna come out in colors uh in uh in France, and they're gonna launch at the end of the end of September alongside with the last driver, uh, Sean Murphy's new book.
00:54:39.760 --> 00:54:41.840
And so we're gonna tour together in France.
00:54:41.920 --> 00:54:45.119
So I'm trying to I'll be trying to merge the two things.
00:54:45.280 --> 00:54:54.480
So I'll probably fly over to France a little bit earlier to do my to sign my books from the campaign, and then I'll do the tour.
00:54:54.719 --> 00:54:55.920
Um wow.
00:54:56.159 --> 00:55:05.360
And then yeah, I'll have to travel to Georgia to to sign to do the same, basically, but for for the US backers and stuff like that.
00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:06.559
So right, right.
00:55:06.719 --> 00:55:12.320
Which, you know, I'm sure that'll be a fun day of just destroying your fun couple of days of destroying your wrists, but hey.
00:55:12.559 --> 00:55:24.159
Oh, dude, I've already told Sean, like, we need because I have like overall 300 sketches to do, like 200 in the States, more or less, and a hundred in uh in uh in France.
00:55:24.320 --> 00:55:33.440
And I told Sean, like, listen, you let's order like a small, like uh portable bed or something like that, and I'll just sleep in the studio.
00:55:33.519 --> 00:55:42.320
You know, I have to maximize, I can't spend like 10 days over there, so I'm gonna just you know sleep and draw and sleep and draw and that's it, you know.
00:55:43.119 --> 00:55:53.599
Jerkov occasionally, of course, but yeah, I was gonna say you just gotta make sure you switch up, you know, your your hands on that one because you know, or you know, you just have Sean do it for you.
00:55:53.760 --> 00:55:55.039
I don't, you know, I don't know.
00:55:55.199 --> 00:55:56.239
He's he's probably into it.
00:55:56.400 --> 00:55:59.199
He's probably yeah, probably not a good idea.
00:56:00.880 --> 00:56:02.480
We're just doing it just for the book, okay?
00:56:02.719 --> 00:56:12.719
Just give me a speaking of Sean Chrysler, you can catch Mateo every week mostly on on Ink Pulp, except when I was on.
00:56:12.960 --> 00:56:15.440
You you're you know showed when I was on Ink Pulp.
00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:16.320
So Oh shit.
00:56:16.400 --> 00:56:23.119
Yeah, that was the the the Yeah, that was the the uh how do you say like the highest level grind late?
00:56:23.199 --> 00:56:25.599
I was I I had no time for anything.
00:56:25.679 --> 00:56:28.000
That drawing was all I was doing.
00:56:28.079 --> 00:56:32.480
So I'm sorry about that, but it was impossible to to do everything.
00:56:32.880 --> 00:56:35.280
Just it just means I'll have to be on again.
00:56:35.360 --> 00:56:37.199
So I'll bug Sean about that.
00:56:37.519 --> 00:56:41.039
I'll buy we do an episode, just you and I, and that's it.
00:56:41.199 --> 00:56:42.079
Oh, hell yeah.
00:56:42.239 --> 00:56:50.719
Yeah, that I then I can be as weird and wild, and we can just talk about like exactly yeah, weird stuff like sketching and jerking off.
00:56:50.960 --> 00:56:58.239
Yeah, I can stay another hour, and then you gave us that hour, and we'll put it on uh yeah, on our channel.
00:56:59.519 --> 00:57:00.480
Oh god.
00:57:00.800 --> 00:57:04.800
Uh well with that, uh Mateo.
00:57:04.880 --> 00:57:05.840
I appreciate you being here.
00:57:05.920 --> 00:57:10.079
Uh Bad Seeds, well, Batman 13, about September 2nd, I believe.
00:57:10.559 --> 00:57:12.079
Yeah, early September, yeah.
00:57:12.159 --> 00:57:15.119
And and 14 is coming out early October, for of course.
00:57:15.440 --> 00:57:16.239
Early October.
00:57:16.400 --> 00:57:22.400
So people know they can get Batman at literally every single comic shop in the entire world.
00:57:22.639 --> 00:57:24.559
It's not a hard book to find.
00:57:24.639 --> 00:57:26.000
It is Batman.
00:57:26.239 --> 00:57:31.440
Um, and then the fourth father will be coming into Backers Hands probably towards the end of the year, maybe.
00:57:31.679 --> 00:57:37.679
Oh no, no, it's gonna be it's gonna be like possibly uh before New York.
00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:39.679
So the late September.
00:57:39.840 --> 00:57:49.360
Um worst case scenario, early October, like mid-October tops, like that around those between mid-September and mid-October.
00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:52.320
Those are those are you will have your book around that.
00:57:52.559 --> 00:58:02.000
And uh yeah, and after that, like if you own a comic book shop, we'll uh be opening uh orders for shops and stuff like that.
00:58:02.159 --> 00:58:07.280
Um, and then for the next year, it will be available if you don't know what we're talking about.
00:58:07.519 --> 00:58:17.599
It will be available, uh, or if you miss your opportunity uh uh during the campaign, the Kickstarter campaign, it will be available on the Inkpulp uh website.
00:58:17.840 --> 00:58:20.239
So, you know, stay tuned for that.
00:58:20.960 --> 00:58:22.480
Inkpulp.tv.
00:58:24.559 --> 00:58:26.800
Do you do you do you want to do a bye-bye?
00:58:26.880 --> 00:58:28.239
Do we should we do a bye-bye?
00:58:28.480 --> 00:58:30.719
You want to do it together and see your last nose?
00:58:30.960 --> 00:58:34.960
Yeah, last time we did it, I blew my microphone out, but this is a different microphone now.
00:58:35.199 --> 00:58:38.400
I I I just I I would love to.
00:58:38.639 --> 00:58:39.280
All right.
00:58:39.519 --> 00:58:41.280
You you you do the countdown.
00:58:42.400 --> 00:58:45.760
All right, three, two, one.
00:59:19.199 --> 00:59:20.480
Thank you for watching.
00:59:20.719 --> 00:59:27.519
Thank you to Mateo for agreeing to be a third-time guest on Direct Edition, and it's not the last time he'll be on.
00:59:27.679 --> 00:59:28.800
Um, and it was great.
00:59:28.880 --> 00:59:35.039
Uh, you'll get to see the flip through of Todd McFarland's Spider-Man the Torment issues uh on West Coast Avengers.
00:59:35.119 --> 00:59:39.519
If I haven't dropped it already, it'll be dropping this following Sunday.
00:59:39.679 --> 00:59:41.599
So you'll be able to watch that.
00:59:42.000 --> 00:59:45.280
Um, Fourth Father, like he said, will be available.
00:59:45.360 --> 00:59:50.880
Uh there will be copies available through inkpulp.tv whenever fulfillment is done.
00:59:50.960 --> 00:59:54.480
And you can catch Mateo at New York Comic-Con in October.
00:59:54.639 --> 01:00:01.280
Uh, he doesn't drink coffee, so you can't offer to buy him a coffee, but you can give him a hug and say it's from Dave, and then he'll be like, Dave who?
01:00:01.679 --> 01:00:03.440
West Coast Dave, direct edition, Dave.
01:00:03.519 --> 01:00:04.800
Oh, I hate that guy.
01:00:05.119 --> 01:00:09.280
Anyway, for me, uh, you could do a couple of things to help me out.
01:00:09.519 --> 01:00:13.360
One is you can give money to your local food bank.
01:00:13.760 --> 01:00:21.360
Actually, please donate money when you can, um, or food, but for real, you can hit like.
01:00:21.599 --> 01:00:23.440
You can subscribe if you're not subscribed.
01:00:23.679 --> 01:00:26.000
If you don't want to watch this on YouTube, you could subscribe.
01:00:27.199 --> 01:00:32.239
You could subscribe on Spotify, Apple, Amazon, iHeartRadio, Pocket Casts.
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Uh, I don't know where else.
01:00:34.320 --> 01:00:36.719
It's probably a bunch of places that I don't even know exist.
01:00:36.960 --> 01:00:42.559
Uh, the Patreon, five bucks a month, gets you bonus videos from this channel from West Coast Avengers.
01:00:42.719 --> 01:00:52.480
Generally, the direct edition episodes on the Patreon are a solo episode of me kind of just ranting about something, talking about different things that are going on.
01:00:52.639 --> 01:00:56.239
Uh, I'll talk about the movies I've seen, music I'm listening to, that kind of thing.
01:00:56.480 --> 01:00:59.679
So you can look for that stuff on the Patreon.
01:01:00.159 --> 01:01:02.400
And uh Westcoastaventures.com.
01:01:02.480 --> 01:01:05.039
If you're looking to buy books for me, the web store is open.
01:01:05.119 --> 01:01:06.320
I'm updating it weekly.
01:01:06.480 --> 01:01:09.440
Usually try to add five to ten to twenty items every week.
01:01:09.599 --> 01:01:17.199
And finally, the last thing I'll say, and then I'll I'll let you get on with your day, is uh I have a tea public store where you can buy t-shirts.
01:01:17.280 --> 01:01:22.320
I I mean, it's basically, and I'll be frank here because I I'm Dave everywhere else.
01:01:23.039 --> 01:01:28.079
Um I don't make a lot of money from the shirts, but it's kind of like it's marketing.
01:01:28.159 --> 01:01:31.280
You know, you can buy a direct edition shirt, you could buy a C Todd by Todd shirt.
01:01:31.440 --> 01:01:32.400
Somebody says, Oh, what is that?
01:01:32.480 --> 01:01:43.360
And then you say, Oh, it's this fucking idiot or your bearded guy who does this podcast and this, you know, this other thing, and I I support him, you know, or don't.
01:01:43.519 --> 01:01:44.159
I don't know.
01:01:44.320 --> 01:01:45.840
Anyway, my name is Dave.
01:01:46.000 --> 01:01:52.400
Your name is Steve or Marianne or Daryl or Phil, but I'm still Dave.
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This is direct edition, and I'll see you next week.
