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They came chasing freedom. Backpacks, smiles,
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youth, and time on their side. Deep in the Australian
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bush, someone was hunting. Seven bodies, one
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monster. And for years, he walked among us. This
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is Dead Quiet, the true crime podcast that steps
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into the silence left behind. My name is Emily,
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and today we begin in the Belangelo State Forest
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in New South Wales. This podcast may not be suitable
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for all listeners and discusses some pretty jarring
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topics. If you need support at any time, please
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contact your local support line or centre. Dead
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Quiet pays respect to all victims and those affected
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by crime. Sources for this episode can be found
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in the show notes. In April of 1992, a 21 -year
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-old Caroline Clark and 22 -year -old Joanne
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Walters, who were both British backpackers, vanished
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after hitchhiking from Sydney's King's Cross.
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They weren't seen again. Born in New South Wales,
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Ivan Robert Marko Milat was born the son of a
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Croatian immigrant, Stjepan Marko Milat. also
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known as Stephen, and Australian Margaret Elizabeth
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Piddleston. Ivan was the fifth born of the couple's
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14 children. The family were incredibly poor
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and lived on a farm in Bosley Park, west of Sydney,
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before they moved to Liverpool. Despite their
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financial struggles, the couple did the best
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they could to raise their children and worked
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hard to provide them with a Catholic education.
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Ivan's father was a known alcoholic with a bad
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temper. and the children would often spend time
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outside, spending their time playing with knives
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and guns and shooting targets on the family's
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property. Many of the 10 Malap boys were well
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known to local police, and Ivan allegedly displayed
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antisocial behaviour at a very young age, which
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led him to a stint in residential school at age
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13. Ivan's brothers recalled him often attacking
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animals with machetes. By age 17, Ivan found
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himself housed in a juvenile detention centre
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where he was sent for theft and at 19 Ivan was
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involved in a shop break -in. In 1964 he was
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sentenced to 18 months for a break -in enter
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and a month after his release he was arrested
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for driving a stolen car and was then sentenced
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to two years hard labour. In September 1967,
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aged 23, Ivan was again sentenced to three years
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for theft. In April 1971 Ivan had escalated and
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was charged with the abduction of two 18 -year
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-old hitchhikers and the rape of one of them.
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While Ivan sat awaiting his impending trial,
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he was involved in a string of robberies with
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some of his brothers before he decided to fake
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his own death by suicide. Ivan then took off
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to the states of Queensland and Victoria then
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heading overseas seeking refuge in New Zealand
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for two more years. Ivan used a fake passport
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and other forged identity documents and on returning
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to Australia continued to live in various Australian
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states to avoid detection. Ivan was re -arrested
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in 1974 after visiting his mother in hospital
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after she suffered a heart attack. Ivan's previous
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robbery, rape and abduction charges were dropped,
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largely in part due to a decision made by Ivan
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in where he sought assistance from the Milat's
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trusted and long -standing family lawyer, John
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Marsden. Taking on a job as a truck driver in
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1975, a much older Ivan then met a 16 -year -old
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girl who was pregnant by his cousin. Ivan married
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her in 1983. The woman left Ivan in approximately
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1987. due to some serious domestic violence occurrences
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against her, and they were formally divorced
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in October of 1989. By April of 1992, Ivan was
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working on and off for the New South Wales Roads
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and Traffic Authority. In January of 1990, English
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backpacker Paul Onions accepted a lift from a
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stranger in New South Wales. Paul was on his
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way to Melbourne. Paul noted the man had a Merv
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Hughes -style handlebar moustache and remarked
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the man was the first real Aussie that he had
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met. Along the journey, the two chatted about
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Paul's career in the Navy. The man asked Paul
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many questions, including if he had received
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any special forces training. Paul laughed this
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off and informed the man he was an engineer in
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the Navy. The man encouraged Paul to get some
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sleep throughout the trip and the two men discussed
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the details of Paul's trip to Melbourne. where
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Paul shared there wasn't anyone waiting for him
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at his destination. Somewhere unknown along the
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Hume Highway, Paul woke up as he felt the car
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slowing down after having accidentally fallen
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asleep. The driver explained to Paul he was pulling
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over to grab some tapes to put in the music player.
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Paul thought this seemed a little odd as there
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were a number of tapes in the centre console
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between the pair. Paul took a quick look at his
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surroundings and noted a few hundred metres ahead.
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there was a sign signalling the entry to the
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Belangelo State Forest, an area of roughly 4
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,000 hectares or approximately 38 million square
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metres. Paul stepped out of the vehicle to stretch
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his legs and at this point the driver, who had
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said his name was Bill, reappeared with some
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rope in his hand. This scared Paul as he was
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under the impression the driver was retrieving
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tapes. Paul questioned the man. who immediately
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began yelling at him to get in the car. Paul
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was frightened and started to run after he saw
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the man retrieve a handgun from underneath the
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driver's seat. Paul ran in a zig -zagging movement
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down the highway and into the oncoming traffic.
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The man quickly caught up to Paul and they had
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a physical altercation in the middle of the road,
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causing other cars to start swerving around them.
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Paul eventually broke free. telling himself he
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would do anything in his power to stop and get
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into the next vehicle coming towards him. At
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this moment, a Tarago van appeared on the crest
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of the hill, with Joanne buried behind the wheel.
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The car began to slow and Paul ran at the vehicle,
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opening the sliding door and diving into the
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backseat. Joanne was on her way to the Belangelo
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State Forest with her sister and their five children
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in the car. Joanne had seen the men wrestling
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in the middle of the road and heard Paul shouting,
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He has a gun. Paul was shaking and terrified.
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Joanne was immediately concerned and saw the
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man was giving chase with a gun in his hand.
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She put her car quickly in reverse before turning
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and speeding away back towards the New South
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Wales town of Mittagong. Joanne took Paul to
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the nearest police station in Bowral. He had
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left his backpack containing his passport and
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other personal effects in the car. Paul recalled
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the man had told him his name was Bill. Both
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Paul and Joanne filed a report with the police
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who said without the license plate, or the man's
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last name, they were unlikely to catch the man
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they believed to be a mugger. Paul said the police
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gave him the equivalent of seven Australian dollars
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to get back to the British Embassy in Sydney
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to help him get a new passport. Paul returned
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to the UK and did his best to put the incident
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behind him. In September 1992, two runners stumbled
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across the partially decomposed remains of Caroline
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Clark and Joanne Walters in the Belanglo State
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Forest. They were found in an area known as the
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Executioner's Drop. Joanne's body was found face
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down, with her right arm stretched above her
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head. Her body was partially decomposed. predominantly
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at the upper torso area. Around Joanne's head
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were the remains of a cloth gag tied in a knot.
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Other pieces of cloth were found wedged between
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Joanne's teeth, indicating she had been gagged
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at the time of her brutal murder. 14 stab wounds
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were found on Joanne's body, which were focused
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around her neck and chest. Joanne was found with
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wounds so deep they had cut into her spine which
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would have paralysed her if she was alive at
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the time of the injury occurring. Joanne's jeans
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were found still attached to her remains. and
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they were noted to have been fastened at the
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top with the four lower buttons undone. Joanne
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didn't have any underwear on at the time of her
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death, which indicated to investigators that
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she hadn't dressed herself. Caroline was found
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lying face down. Caroline had been stabbed once
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in the middle of her back with her jumper tied
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around her head. Caroline's skull had ten bullet
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holes, which investigators surmised the killer
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had brutally used Caroline's head as target practice.
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Investigators also recovered six cigarette butts.
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and a campfire very close in proximity to where
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the girls were found. After the discovery, over
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100 police descended on the area, searching the
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Belanglo State Forest and later reporting to
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the media. They were confident there were no
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more bodies to be found. In October of 1993,
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A person interested in the murders and discovery
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of Joanne and Caroline began independently searching
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the forest. He believed there were more bodies
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and that investigators had called off the search
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for others too quickly. Wandering into the forest,
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following a preset track, he quickly located
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a skull. The man picked the skull up, fearing
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that when he notified police of his discovery,
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they wouldn't believe him. Police returned to
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the Belanglo State Forest once more. where they
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quickly discovered the remains of the missing
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James Gibson and Deborah Everest. James and Deborah
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were from Victoria, Australia, and had been reported
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missing after they left Sydney to attend the
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Confess near Albury, New South Wales, on 30 December
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1989. James and Deborah's remains were found
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roughly 600 metres from where Joanne and Caroline
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had been discovered. Police quietly began to
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suspect the same person responsible, as each
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victim had been found near a campfire and each
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victim was also laying face down. Amongst the
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police and media alike, other theories also emerged,
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including the possibility of a second killer.
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After the discovery of James and Deborah, police
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quickly established a task force. with Superintendent
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Clive Small at the helm. This task force was
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later known as Task Force Air. Clive Small reportedly
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ran a tight ship. and instructed his detectives
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to leave no stone unturned and requested that
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there be no room for error. He didn't want any
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media leaks and appointed himself the spokesperson
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for the media, instructing his detectives to
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refrain from zeroing in on one suspect, urging
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them to look at and cross -check each piece of
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information. Being the early 90s, most work was
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paper -based until the development of a computer
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system. which would help the task force in compiling
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the information that was available. During their
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investigations, detectives from Task Force Air
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were able to determine the main murder weapon
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used in each killing was a gun. known as a Ruger
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1022. The Ruger is a semi -automatic rifle and
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is produced by Sturm, Ruger and Co. The Ruger
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1022 has a chamber for a .22 long rifle rimfire
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cartridge. The Ruger was first introduced in
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1964 and was a popular choice for beginning and
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experienced shooters due to its reliability and
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extensive options for customization. Investigators
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found that approximately 4 .5 million Ruger had
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been developed since 1964, and as this was an
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American brand, around 50 ,000 of those had been
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distributed to Australia. Canvassing the areas
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local to Boweral and along the outskirts of the
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Blind Glow State Forest, investigators found
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a possible witness at a local shooting range,
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which was located close to where the four sets
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of remains had been found. The witness's name
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was Alex Millat. and he gave a statement to police
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which detailed he had seen some things that he
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felt were suspicious Alex stated he and a friend
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from the shooting range had seen two vehicles
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entering the Belangelo State Forest, containing
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roughly seven men and two women who were bound,
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gagged and looked as though they were frightened.
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Alex believed the two women he saw could have
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been Caroline Clark and Joanne Walters, which
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he had seen were the British backpackers who
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disappeared from King's Cross around the time
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he allegedly saw them in the passing vehicles.
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Alex stated to police, At the time, I was of
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the opinion, that it was just some young blokes
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taking some girls into the forest to have a good
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time and I didn't give much thought to it being
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anything more than that. Alex explained this
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is why there had been an extensive delay in his
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speaking with police. Alex continued stating
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I didn't wish to get involved so I didn't contact
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the police and inform them of what I had seen.
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From my knowledge and experiences in the area
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I'm aware of countless times when young men and
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women are observed driving around the forest
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looking like they're lost. or looking for somewhere
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that they can have a good time, and I really
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didn't think that this instance was any different.
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Lise made note of Alex's statement and thanked
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him for his time. On day 15 of the task force
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being in operation, a fifth set of remains were
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found in the Belangelo State Forest. These remains
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were identified as missing German backpacker,
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Simone Smedal. Two more sets of remains were
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found soon after. These remains were identified
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as missing Germans, Anja Hubschied and Gabor
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Neuschbauer, who were also reported missing from
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Sydney's King's Cross. Sadly, Anja's head had
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been decapitated and was found separate to the
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rest of her remains. On day 34, November 5, 1993,
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Detective Inspector Clive Small had a press conference
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confirming the setup of an information hotline
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in operation by Task Force Air. He confirmed
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the likelihood of a serial killer or killers
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with the largest at the time reward of $500 ,000
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offered. Within a week of the hotline's development,
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Joanne Berry called the task force and repeated
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her earlier reported interactions with Paul Onions.
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Two days after Joanne Berry's call, Paul Onions
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also called the task force from England and reported
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his attack for the second time. On November the
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24th, analysts began to examine the records of
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the police modus operandi unit and extract all
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records of abductions and kidnappings since 1985.
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Inexplicably, there was no record of the incident
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described by Joanne Berry. and Paul Onions. Among
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the hotline calls was another from a local woman
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who said she didn't know if she could help, but
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was suspicious of a man who lived in the area.
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He drove a four -wheel drive, owned lots of guns,
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and was very into shooting. His name was Ivan
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Malat. She had no other information, but hoped
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her call might be of assistance. It was this
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Christmas that Ivan's family and friends began
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receiving gifts. Camping gear, cameras, jewellery.
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sleeping bags and tents. Ivan also gifted his
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at -the -time girlfriend Shalinda a white jumper
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with a bold green horizontal strap across the
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chest. On February 6 1994 Detective Sergeant
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Rex Little of Barrow Police took a statement
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from Joanne Berry, in which she repeated her
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story of having rescued Paul Onions from a man
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with a gun outside the town of Barama and taken
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him to the Barrow Police Station. After speaking
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to Joanne, Rex Little searched the Barrow Police
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archives for any record of Onions' original report.
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Eventually, he found a typed occurrence entry
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relating to the incident, which had also been
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recorded in a notebook of a constable. to the
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police station. Rex Little found that the information
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provided by Paul Onions had never been followed
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up. Five of the seven backpackers had been murdered
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after Paul Onions had reported the matter to
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Boweral Police. Media outlets both nationally
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and internationally began increased reporting
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on the case of the backpack killer and warned
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tourists not to travel to Australia. By February
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1994, Task Force Air had now tripled in size
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to 33 investigators and 11 analysts, supported
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by ballistics and other forensic officers. It
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was at this time the Milat family became the
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family of interest to investigators. Although
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there was no admissible evidence against any
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particular family member, Task Force Air had
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enough information to suggest that one or more
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of the Millat brothers may have been involved
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in the backpacker murders. The information hotline
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had provided detectives with their strongest
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lead yet. Paul Onion's story of being given a
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lift by a man with a gun. The task force also
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knew Ivan Milat owned a vehicle similar to the
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one described by Paul Onions and that Ivan often
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used the name Bill, the name of another Milat
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brother. A thorough investigation of the Milat
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family was a priority but not one the task force
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could afford to pursue. at the expense of every
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other lead. Detectives now had a list of more
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than a dozen missing persons suspected of having
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been murdered, together with six unsolved murders
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and five people nominated by the public as possibly
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connected with the backpack. any one of these
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suspects may have led the task force to the killer
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superintendent clive small then assigned a team
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of six detectives under the direction of detective
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sergeant royce gorman to return their attention
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to the monite family following the lines of inquiry
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developed Detectives began sourcing various information
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and records pertaining to Ivan Milat and witness
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statements from the kidnapping and rapes he committed
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in 1971. Some weeks later, Task Force Air set
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up covert surveillance on Ivan Milat and his
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property. During this time... Paul Onions was
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also contacted and requested to return to Australia
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to speak with investigators around the robbery
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and attack he had endured. Upon return to the
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headquarters of Task Force Air, Paul was shown
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a video with a series of photo images depicted.
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Investigators urged Paul to take his time when
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viewing the tape and encouraged him to not rush
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through. Paul was nervous as the attack had occurred
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many years prior and he was worried he may not
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be able to remember his attacker. Paul watched
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the video through its entirety. Filled with certainty,
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Paul Onions then positively identified an image
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of Ivan Milat. on day 207 of the task force's
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operation superintendent clive small approved
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the coordination of a raid on ivan's property
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and 10 other properties of interest currently
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and previously owned by the mulats scheduled
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for the 22nd of may 1994. there are 11 properties
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in total and precision was a non -negotiable
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the 22nd of may came quickly and Task Force Air
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gathered in the early hours of the morning at
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their headquarters and discussed their upcoming
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raid on a property in Eagle Vale, New South Wales.
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At 6 .36am, Task Force Air and around 300 police
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began raids on the 11 properties of interest.
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Separately, a team of police dressed in black
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and protected by bulletproof vests, armed with
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shotguns and submachine guns, secured Ivan's
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property. Detective Sergeant Wayne Gordon, who
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was the lead negotiator with the State Protection
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Group, phoned Ivan's number. A short conversation
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took place between Detective Senior Sergeant
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Wayne Gordon and Ivan Milat. Wayne Gordon said,
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Mr. Ivan Milat, is it? A male voice answered,
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no. Wayne asked, is Ivan Millat there? The man
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responded, no, he's not here at the moment. Wayne
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knew that this was Ivan's voice. Surveillance
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had put Ivan and his girlfriend, Shalinda Hughes,
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in the house the previous night, and since then,
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no one had left or entered. Detective Senior
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Sergeant Wayne Gordon then said, I want you to
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come outside for the safety of yourself and whoever's
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in the house with you. What I want you to do
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is to come out the front door. I want you to
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turn left and go through the gate. I want you
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to walk with your arms out, exposed from your
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body. You'll be met by some state protection
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group police who'll be dressed in black. They
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will be armed and I want you to then lie face
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down on the ground. The male responded, okie
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dokie. At approximately 6 .48am, Ivan Milat.
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along with Shelinda, exited the home, being ordered
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to get down, which Ivan quickly obeyed. Shelinda
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and Ivan were quickly separated and individually
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spoken with by police. The basis for the raids
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was Paul Onion's identification of Ivan Milat
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as his attacker. Ivan was arrested and charged
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with Paul's attempted abduction, and Ivan's bail
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was refused. At the time of the raids, there
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was no evidence against Ivan Milat for the backpacker
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abductions and murders, although he sat very
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clearly in the sight of Task Force Air. numerous
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investigators began to locate property belonging
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to the missing and murdered backpackers over
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several days around 500 potential exhibits were
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seized but many needed further examination before
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detectives could take any action against ivan
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among the items recovered from ivan's property
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were a camouflaged knife similar to the one described
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by paul onions Four boxes of Ely .22 calibre
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cartridges of the same batch number as those
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found near Gabor's body. A broken barrel band
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from a Ruger rifle, a Ruger 10 -22 and various
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gun parts. 50 Winchester cartridges, including
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winner cartridges like those found near Joanne
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and Caroline's crime scenes. A range of ammunition
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for .22, .32, .38. and .45 caliber guns and a
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green water bottle and pouch similar to the one
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belonging to Simone Smedal. In almost every room
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of the property, investigators found items of
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interest they later used as evidence. Throughout
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the search, Ivan continuously repeated to police
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that he didn't know what the items were and stated
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they didn't belong to him. and that he'd never
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seen them before. Dr. Rod Milton, a forensic
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psychiatrist, had been earlier brought onto the
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case to do an assessment of the backpack killer.
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Rod Milton had concluded the killer would likely
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be someone who was in control, with strong characteristics
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of possession and domination. Someone he and
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detectives would later concede was exactly the
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person Ivan Milat was. On the 26th of March 1996,
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Ivan Milat's trial began at the Supreme Court
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of New South Wales. Ivan had now been formally
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charged with the backpacker murders. He sat passively
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in the courtroom as the jury slowly filed in
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for the first day of the biggest at -the -time
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murder trial in Australian criminal history.
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The presiding judge, Justice David Hunt, asked
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the Crown Prosecutor to begin. Mark Tedeschi,
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QC. made a brief opening statement during which
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he told the jury that Ivan Milat would be proven
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guilty of seven cruel murders. He wasted no time
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in calling his first witness. Paul Onions. After
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Paul Onions stepped down, the parents of each
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of the victims were called to the stand one at
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a time. The courtroom was hushed as the parents
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of the murdered backpackers spoke about the last
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time they had seen their children alive. Some
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suppressed sobs and others struggled to control
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the seething anger they felt when they looked
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into the eyes of the reported monster that stood
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accused of murdering their children. During trial
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and impact full display was presented to the
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jury. A t -shirt that Julianne Walters last wore
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was shown bearing numerous cuts front and back.
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The courtroom fell silent. Forensic psychologist
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Dr Peter Bradhurst, who performed the post -mortem
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examinations on all seven victims, took the stand
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to describe the injuries inflicted. Dr. Bradhurst
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said post -mortem examinations indicated multiple
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gunshot wounds to the heads of British victim
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Caroline Clark and German Gabor Neuschbauer.
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Multiple stabbing injuries were given as the
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cause of the death of the other British victim,
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Joanne Walters, who was stabbed 14 times. German
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Simone Smedel, who was stabbed 8 times. an Australian's
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Deborah Everest, stabbed four times, and James
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Gibson, who was stabbed seven times. It was determined
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that six of the seven bodies had likely been
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sexually interfered with, either pre - or post
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-mortem. Dr Bradhurst was shown the sword found
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at Ivan's house by the prosecution. Dr Bradhurst
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suggested that this sword was very likely the
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type of weapon used to decapitate Anya Habshid.
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After a gruelling 12 weeks and testimonies from
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145 witnesses later, the prosecution completed
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its presentation of a very strong case. The first
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witness called by the defence was Ivan Milat.
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Defence lawyer Terry Martin led Ivan through
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the accusations that had been made. Ivan's defence
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was simple. he denied everything during cross
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-examination mark tedeschi proved merciless mark
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pursued ivan on every point when asked how ivan
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came to be in possession of the property belonging
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to the victims he answered quote someone's just
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trying to make me look bad ivan spent his time
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displaying himself as aloof and giving the prosecution
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nothing most answers were i don't know i wasn't
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there and i can't recall who that belongs to
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Supreme Court Judge Justice David Hunt took two
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days to surmise the evidence for the jury. At
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2 .42pm On the 24th of July, he sent the jury
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out to consider their verdict. Three days had
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passed, and still there was no verdict. Meanwhile,
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the Millat family, who were confident of an acquittal,
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made plans for a celebratory dinner. On Saturday,
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the 27th of July, 1995, The remaining jurors
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filed into the courtroom to deliver their verdict.
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Justice Hunt asked Ivan to stand as the jury
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foreman read the verdicts. As each of the eight
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charges were read, the verdict was the same.
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For the attack on Paul Onions, Ivan was found
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guilty and received six years imprisonment. Ivan
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was found guilty of the willful murder of James
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Harold Gibson, aged 19, Deborah Phyllis Everest,
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aged 19, Joanne, After the verdict was read,
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Ivan Milat was asked if he had anything to say.
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He replied, I'm not guilty of it. That's all
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I have to say. He received seven consecutive
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last sentences, which is the term of his natural
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life. Ivan Robert Marco Millat, aged 52, was
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then sentenced to the Goulburn Supermax Prison
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in New South Wales. His file was marked as never
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to be released. Years later, in the Long Bay
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Correctional Centre's hospital wing, aged 74,
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Ivan Millat passed away from esophageal cancer
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in the early hours of Sunday morning in October
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of 2019. At the time of his death, Ivan Milat
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had yet to admit guilt for the crimes. In the
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end, the bush gave up its secrets. For those
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who never made it out alive, the silence was
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permanent. In Ivan Milat's world, only his victims
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were dead quiet.
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They came chasing freedom. Backpacks, smiles,
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youth, and time on their side. Deep in the Australian
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bush, someone was hunting. Seven bodies, one
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monster. And for years, he walked among us. This
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is Dead Quiet, the true crime podcast that steps
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into the silence left behind. My name is Emily,
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and today we begin in the Belangelo State Forest
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in New South Wales. This podcast may not be suitable
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for all listeners and discusses some pretty jarring
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topics. If you need support at any time, please
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contact your local support line or centre. Dead
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Quiet pays respect to all victims and those affected
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by crime. Sources for this episode can be found
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in the show notes. In April of 1992, a 21 -year
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-old Caroline Clark and 22 -year -old Joanne
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Walters, who were both British backpackers, vanished
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after hitchhiking from Sydney's King's Cross.
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They weren't seen again. Born in New South Wales,
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Ivan Robert Marko Milat was born the son of a
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Croatian immigrant, Stjepan Marko Milat. also
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known as Stephen, and Australian Margaret Elizabeth
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Piddleston. Ivan was the fifth born of the couple's
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14 children. The family were incredibly poor
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and lived on a farm in Bosley Park, west of Sydney,
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before they moved to Liverpool. Despite their
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financial struggles, the couple did the best
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they could to raise their children and worked
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hard to provide them with a Catholic education.
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Ivan's father was a known alcoholic with a bad
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temper. and the children would often spend time
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outside, spending their time playing with knives
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and guns and shooting targets on the family's
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property. Many of the 10 Malap boys were well
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known to local police, and Ivan allegedly displayed
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antisocial behaviour at a very young age, which
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led him to a stint in residential school at age
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13. Ivan's brothers recalled him often attacking
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animals with machetes. By age 17, Ivan found
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himself housed in a juvenile detention centre
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where he was sent for theft and at 19 Ivan was
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involved in a shop break -in. In 1964 he was
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sentenced to 18 months for a break -in enter
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and a month after his release he was arrested
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for driving a stolen car and was then sentenced
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to two years hard labour. In September 1967,
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aged 23, Ivan was again sentenced to three years
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for theft. In April 1971 Ivan had escalated and
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was charged with the abduction of two 18 -year
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-old hitchhikers and the rape of one of them.
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While Ivan sat awaiting his impending trial,
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he was involved in a string of robberies with
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some of his brothers before he decided to fake
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his own death by suicide. Ivan then took off
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to the states of Queensland and Victoria then
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heading overseas seeking refuge in New Zealand
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for two more years. Ivan used a fake passport
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and other forged identity documents and on returning
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to Australia continued to live in various Australian
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states to avoid detection. Ivan was re -arrested
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in 1974 after visiting his mother in hospital
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after she suffered a heart attack. Ivan's previous
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robbery, rape and abduction charges were dropped,
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largely in part due to a decision made by Ivan
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in where he sought assistance from the Milat's
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trusted and long -standing family lawyer, John
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Marsden. Taking on a job as a truck driver in
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1975, a much older Ivan then met a 16 -year -old
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girl who was pregnant by his cousin. Ivan married
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her in 1983. The woman left Ivan in approximately
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1987. due to some serious domestic violence occurrences
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against her, and they were formally divorced
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in October of 1989. By April of 1992, Ivan was
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working on and off for the New South Wales Roads
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and Traffic Authority. In January of 1990, English
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backpacker Paul Onions accepted a lift from a
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stranger in New South Wales. Paul was on his
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way to Melbourne. Paul noted the man had a Merv
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Hughes -style handlebar moustache and remarked
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the man was the first real Aussie that he had
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met. Along the journey, the two chatted about
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Paul's career in the Navy. The man asked Paul
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many questions, including if he had received
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any special forces training. Paul laughed this
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off and informed the man he was an engineer in
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the Navy. The man encouraged Paul to get some
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sleep throughout the trip and the two men discussed
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the details of Paul's trip to Melbourne. where
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Paul shared there wasn't anyone waiting for him
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at his destination. Somewhere unknown along the
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Hume Highway, Paul woke up as he felt the car
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slowing down after having accidentally fallen
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asleep. The driver explained to Paul he was pulling
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over to grab some tapes to put in the music player.
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Paul thought this seemed a little odd as there
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were a number of tapes in the centre console
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between the pair. Paul took a quick look at his
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surroundings and noted a few hundred metres ahead.
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there was a sign signalling the entry to the
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Belangelo State Forest, an area of roughly 4
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,000 hectares or approximately 38 million square
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metres. Paul stepped out of the vehicle to stretch
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his legs and at this point the driver, who had
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said his name was Bill, reappeared with some
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rope in his hand. This scared Paul as he was
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under the impression the driver was retrieving
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tapes. Paul questioned the man. who immediately
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began yelling at him to get in the car. Paul
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was frightened and started to run after he saw
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the man retrieve a handgun from underneath the
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driver's seat. Paul ran in a zig -zagging movement
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down the highway and into the oncoming traffic.
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The man quickly caught up to Paul and they had
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a physical altercation in the middle of the road,
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causing other cars to start swerving around them.
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Paul eventually broke free. telling himself he
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would do anything in his power to stop and get
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into the next vehicle coming towards him. At
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this moment, a Tarago van appeared on the crest
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of the hill, with Joanne buried behind the wheel.
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The car began to slow and Paul ran at the vehicle,
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opening the sliding door and diving into the
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backseat. Joanne was on her way to the Belangelo
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State Forest with her sister and their five children
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in the car. Joanne had seen the men wrestling
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in the middle of the road and heard Paul shouting,
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He has a gun. Paul was shaking and terrified.
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Joanne was immediately concerned and saw the
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man was giving chase with a gun in his hand.
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She put her car quickly in reverse before turning
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and speeding away back towards the New South
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Wales town of Mittagong. Joanne took Paul to
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the nearest police station in Bowral. He had
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left his backpack containing his passport and
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other personal effects in the car. Paul recalled
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the man had told him his name was Bill. Both
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Paul and Joanne filed a report with the police
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who said without the license plate, or the man's
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last name, they were unlikely to catch the man
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they believed to be a mugger. Paul said the police
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gave him the equivalent of seven Australian dollars
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to get back to the British Embassy in Sydney
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to help him get a new passport. Paul returned
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to the UK and did his best to put the incident
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behind him. In September 1992, two runners stumbled
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across the partially decomposed remains of Caroline
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Clark and Joanne Walters in the Belanglo State
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Forest. They were found in an area known as the
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Executioner's Drop. Joanne's body was found face
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down, with her right arm stretched above her
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head. Her body was partially decomposed. predominantly
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at the upper torso area. Around Joanne's head
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were the remains of a cloth gag tied in a knot.
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Other pieces of cloth were found wedged between
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Joanne's teeth, indicating she had been gagged
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at the time of her brutal murder. 14 stab wounds
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were found on Joanne's body, which were focused
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around her neck and chest. Joanne was found with
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wounds so deep they had cut into her spine which
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would have paralysed her if she was alive at
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the time of the injury occurring. Joanne's jeans
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were found still attached to her remains. and
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they were noted to have been fastened at the
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top with the four lower buttons undone. Joanne
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didn't have any underwear on at the time of her
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death, which indicated to investigators that
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she hadn't dressed herself. Caroline was found
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lying face down. Caroline had been stabbed once
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in the middle of her back with her jumper tied
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around her head. Caroline's skull had ten bullet
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holes, which investigators surmised the killer
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had brutally used Caroline's head as target practice.
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Investigators also recovered six cigarette butts.
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and a campfire very close in proximity to where
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the girls were found. After the discovery, over
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100 police descended on the area, searching the
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Belanglo State Forest and later reporting to
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the media. They were confident there were no
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more bodies to be found. In October of 1993,
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A person interested in the murders and discovery
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of Joanne and Caroline began independently searching
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the forest. He believed there were more bodies
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and that investigators had called off the search
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for others too quickly. Wandering into the forest,
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following a preset track, he quickly located
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a skull. The man picked the skull up, fearing
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that when he notified police of his discovery,
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they wouldn't believe him. Police returned to
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the Belanglo State Forest once more. where they
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quickly discovered the remains of the missing
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James Gibson and Deborah Everest. James and Deborah
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were from Victoria, Australia, and had been reported
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missing after they left Sydney to attend the
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Confess near Albury, New South Wales, on 30 December
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1989. James and Deborah's remains were found
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roughly 600 metres from where Joanne and Caroline
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had been discovered. Police quietly began to
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suspect the same person responsible, as each
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victim had been found near a campfire and each
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victim was also laying face down. Amongst the
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police and media alike, other theories also emerged,
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including the possibility of a second killer.
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After the discovery of James and Deborah, police
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quickly established a task force. with Superintendent
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Clive Small at the helm. This task force was
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later known as Task Force Air. Clive Small reportedly
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ran a tight ship. and instructed his detectives
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to leave no stone unturned and requested that
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there be no room for error. He didn't want any
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media leaks and appointed himself the spokesperson
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for the media, instructing his detectives to
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refrain from zeroing in on one suspect, urging
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them to look at and cross -check each piece of
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information. Being the early 90s, most work was
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paper -based until the development of a computer
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system. which would help the task force in compiling
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the information that was available. During their
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investigations, detectives from Task Force Air
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were able to determine the main murder weapon
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used in each killing was a gun. known as a Ruger
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1022. The Ruger is a semi -automatic rifle and
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is produced by Sturm, Ruger and Co. The Ruger
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1022 has a chamber for a .22 long rifle rimfire
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cartridge. The Ruger was first introduced in
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1964 and was a popular choice for beginning and
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experienced shooters due to its reliability and
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extensive options for customization. Investigators
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found that approximately 4 .5 million Ruger had
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been developed since 1964, and as this was an
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American brand, around 50 ,000 of those had been
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distributed to Australia. Canvassing the areas
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local to Boweral and along the outskirts of the
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Blind Glow State Forest, investigators found
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a possible witness at a local shooting range,
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which was located close to where the four sets
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of remains had been found. The witness's name
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was Alex Millat. and he gave a statement to police
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which detailed he had seen some things that he
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felt were suspicious Alex stated he and a friend
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from the shooting range had seen two vehicles
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entering the Belangelo State Forest, containing
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roughly seven men and two women who were bound,
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gagged and looked as though they were frightened.
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Alex believed the two women he saw could have
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been Caroline Clark and Joanne Walters, which
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he had seen were the British backpackers who
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disappeared from King's Cross around the time
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he allegedly saw them in the passing vehicles.
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Alex stated to police, At the time, I was of
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the opinion, that it was just some young blokes
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taking some girls into the forest to have a good
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time and I didn't give much thought to it being
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anything more than that. Alex explained this
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is why there had been an extensive delay in his
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speaking with police. Alex continued stating
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I didn't wish to get involved so I didn't contact
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the police and inform them of what I had seen.
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From my knowledge and experiences in the area
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I'm aware of countless times when young men and
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women are observed driving around the forest
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looking like they're lost. or looking for somewhere
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that they can have a good time, and I really
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didn't think that this instance was any different.
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Lise made note of Alex's statement and thanked
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him for his time. On day 15 of the task force
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being in operation, a fifth set of remains were
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found in the Belangelo State Forest. These remains
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were identified as missing German backpacker,
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Simone Smedal. Two more sets of remains were
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found soon after. These remains were identified
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as missing Germans, Anja Hubschied and Gabor
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Neuschbauer, who were also reported missing from
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Sydney's King's Cross. Sadly, Anja's head had
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been decapitated and was found separate to the
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rest of her remains. On day 34, November 5, 1993,
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Detective Inspector Clive Small had a press conference
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confirming the setup of an information hotline
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in operation by Task Force Air. He confirmed
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the likelihood of a serial killer or killers
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with the largest at the time reward of $500 ,000
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offered. Within a week of the hotline's development,
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Joanne Berry called the task force and repeated
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her earlier reported interactions with Paul Onions.
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Two days after Joanne Berry's call, Paul Onions
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also called the task force from England and reported
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his attack for the second time. On November the
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24th, analysts began to examine the records of
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the police modus operandi unit and extract all
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records of abductions and kidnappings since 1985.
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Inexplicably, there was no record of the incident
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described by Joanne Berry. and Paul Onions. Among
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the hotline calls was another from a local woman
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who said she didn't know if she could help, but
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was suspicious of a man who lived in the area.
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He drove a four -wheel drive, owned lots of guns,
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and was very into shooting. His name was Ivan
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Malat. She had no other information, but hoped
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her call might be of assistance. It was this
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Christmas that Ivan's family and friends began
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receiving gifts. Camping gear, cameras, jewellery.
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sleeping bags and tents. Ivan also gifted his
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at -the -time girlfriend Shalinda a white jumper
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with a bold green horizontal strap across the
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chest. On February 6 1994 Detective Sergeant
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Rex Little of Barrow Police took a statement
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from Joanne Berry, in which she repeated her
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story of having rescued Paul Onions from a man
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with a gun outside the town of Barama and taken
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him to the Barrow Police Station. After speaking
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to Joanne, Rex Little searched the Barrow Police
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archives for any record of Onions' original report.
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Eventually, he found a typed occurrence entry
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relating to the incident, which had also been
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recorded in a notebook of a constable. to the
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police station. Rex Little found that the information
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provided by Paul Onions had never been followed
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up. Five of the seven backpackers had been murdered
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after Paul Onions had reported the matter to
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Boweral Police. Media outlets both nationally
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and internationally began increased reporting
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on the case of the backpack killer and warned
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tourists not to travel to Australia. By February
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1994, Task Force Air had now tripled in size
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to 33 investigators and 11 analysts, supported
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by ballistics and other forensic officers. It
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was at this time the Milat family became the
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family of interest to investigators. Although
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there was no admissible evidence against any
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particular family member, Task Force Air had
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enough information to suggest that one or more
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of the Millat brothers may have been involved
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in the backpacker murders. The information hotline
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had provided detectives with their strongest
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lead yet. Paul Onion's story of being given a
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lift by a man with a gun. The task force also
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knew Ivan Milat owned a vehicle similar to the
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one described by Paul Onions and that Ivan often
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used the name Bill, the name of another Milat
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brother. A thorough investigation of the Milat
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family was a priority but not one the task force
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could afford to pursue. at the expense of every
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other lead. Detectives now had a list of more
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than a dozen missing persons suspected of having
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been murdered, together with six unsolved murders
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and five people nominated by the public as possibly
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connected with the backpack. any one of these
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suspects may have led the task force to the killer
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superintendent clive small then assigned a team
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of six detectives under the direction of detective
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sergeant royce gorman to return their attention
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to the monite family following the lines of inquiry
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developed Detectives began sourcing various information
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and records pertaining to Ivan Milat and witness
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statements from the kidnapping and rapes he committed
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in 1971. Some weeks later, Task Force Air set
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up covert surveillance on Ivan Milat and his
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property. During this time... Paul Onions was
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also contacted and requested to return to Australia
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to speak with investigators around the robbery
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and attack he had endured. Upon return to the
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headquarters of Task Force Air, Paul was shown
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a video with a series of photo images depicted.
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Investigators urged Paul to take his time when
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viewing the tape and encouraged him to not rush
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through. Paul was nervous as the attack had occurred
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many years prior and he was worried he may not
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be able to remember his attacker. Paul watched
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the video through its entirety. Filled with certainty,
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Paul Onions then positively identified an image
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of Ivan Milat. on day 207 of the task force's
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operation superintendent clive small approved
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the coordination of a raid on ivan's property
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and 10 other properties of interest currently
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and previously owned by the mulats scheduled
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for the 22nd of may 1994. there are 11 properties
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in total and precision was a non -negotiable
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the 22nd of may came quickly and Task Force Air
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gathered in the early hours of the morning at
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their headquarters and discussed their upcoming
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raid on a property in Eagle Vale, New South Wales.
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At 6 .36am, Task Force Air and around 300 police
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began raids on the 11 properties of interest.
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Separately, a team of police dressed in black
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and protected by bulletproof vests, armed with
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shotguns and submachine guns, secured Ivan's
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property. Detective Sergeant Wayne Gordon, who
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was the lead negotiator with the State Protection
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Group, phoned Ivan's number. A short conversation
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took place between Detective Senior Sergeant
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Wayne Gordon and Ivan Milat. Wayne Gordon said,
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Mr. Ivan Milat, is it? A male voice answered,
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no. Wayne asked, is Ivan Millat there? The man
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responded, no, he's not here at the moment. Wayne
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knew that this was Ivan's voice. Surveillance
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had put Ivan and his girlfriend, Shalinda Hughes,
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in the house the previous night, and since then,
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no one had left or entered. Detective Senior
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Sergeant Wayne Gordon then said, I want you to
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come outside for the safety of yourself and whoever's
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in the house with you. What I want you to do
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is to come out the front door. I want you to
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turn left and go through the gate. I want you
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to walk with your arms out, exposed from your
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body. You'll be met by some state protection
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group police who'll be dressed in black. They
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will be armed and I want you to then lie face
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down on the ground. The male responded, okie
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dokie. At approximately 6 .48am, Ivan Milat.
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along with Shelinda, exited the home, being ordered
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to get down, which Ivan quickly obeyed. Shelinda
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and Ivan were quickly separated and individually
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spoken with by police. The basis for the raids
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was Paul Onion's identification of Ivan Milat
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as his attacker. Ivan was arrested and charged
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with Paul's attempted abduction, and Ivan's bail
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was refused. At the time of the raids, there
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was no evidence against Ivan Milat for the backpacker
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abductions and murders, although he sat very
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clearly in the sight of Task Force Air. numerous
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investigators began to locate property belonging
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to the missing and murdered backpackers over
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several days around 500 potential exhibits were
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seized but many needed further examination before
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detectives could take any action against ivan
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among the items recovered from ivan's property
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were a camouflaged knife similar to the one described
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by paul onions Four boxes of Ely .22 calibre
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cartridges of the same batch number as those
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found near Gabor's body. A broken barrel band
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from a Ruger rifle, a Ruger 10 -22 and various
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gun parts. 50 Winchester cartridges, including
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winner cartridges like those found near Joanne
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and Caroline's crime scenes. A range of ammunition
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for .22, .32, .38. and .45 caliber guns and a
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green water bottle and pouch similar to the one
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belonging to Simone Smedal. In almost every room
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of the property, investigators found items of
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interest they later used as evidence. Throughout
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the search, Ivan continuously repeated to police
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that he didn't know what the items were and stated
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they didn't belong to him. and that he'd never
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seen them before. Dr. Rod Milton, a forensic
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psychiatrist, had been earlier brought onto the
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case to do an assessment of the backpack killer.
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Rod Milton had concluded the killer would likely
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be someone who was in control, with strong characteristics
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of possession and domination. Someone he and
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detectives would later concede was exactly the
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person Ivan Milat was. On the 26th of March 1996,
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Ivan Milat's trial began at the Supreme Court
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of New South Wales. Ivan had now been formally
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charged with the backpacker murders. He sat passively
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in the courtroom as the jury slowly filed in
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for the first day of the biggest at -the -time
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murder trial in Australian criminal history.
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The presiding judge, Justice David Hunt, asked
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the Crown Prosecutor to begin. Mark Tedeschi,
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QC. made a brief opening statement during which
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he told the jury that Ivan Milat would be proven
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guilty of seven cruel murders. He wasted no time
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in calling his first witness. Paul Onions. After
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Paul Onions stepped down, the parents of each
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of the victims were called to the stand one at
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a time. The courtroom was hushed as the parents
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of the murdered backpackers spoke about the last
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time they had seen their children alive. Some
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suppressed sobs and others struggled to control
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the seething anger they felt when they looked
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into the eyes of the reported monster that stood
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accused of murdering their children. During trial
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and impact full display was presented to the
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jury. A t -shirt that Julianne Walters last wore
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was shown bearing numerous cuts front and back.
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The courtroom fell silent. Forensic psychologist
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Dr Peter Bradhurst, who performed the post -mortem
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examinations on all seven victims, took the stand
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to describe the injuries inflicted. Dr. Bradhurst
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said post -mortem examinations indicated multiple
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gunshot wounds to the heads of British victim
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Caroline Clark and German Gabor Neuschbauer.
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Multiple stabbing injuries were given as the
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cause of the death of the other British victim,
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Joanne Walters, who was stabbed 14 times. German
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Simone Smedel, who was stabbed 8 times. an Australian's
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Deborah Everest, stabbed four times, and James
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Gibson, who was stabbed seven times. It was determined
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that six of the seven bodies had likely been
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sexually interfered with, either pre - or post
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-mortem. Dr Bradhurst was shown the sword found
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at Ivan's house by the prosecution. Dr Bradhurst
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suggested that this sword was very likely the
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type of weapon used to decapitate Anya Habshid.
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After a gruelling 12 weeks and testimonies from
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145 witnesses later, the prosecution completed
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its presentation of a very strong case. The first
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witness called by the defence was Ivan Milat.
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Defence lawyer Terry Martin led Ivan through
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the accusations that had been made. Ivan's defence
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was simple. he denied everything during cross
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-examination mark tedeschi proved merciless mark
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pursued ivan on every point when asked how ivan
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came to be in possession of the property belonging
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to the victims he answered quote someone's just
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trying to make me look bad ivan spent his time
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displaying himself as aloof and giving the prosecution
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nothing most answers were i don't know i wasn't
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there and i can't recall who that belongs to
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Supreme Court Judge Justice David Hunt took two
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days to surmise the evidence for the jury. At
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2 .42pm On the 24th of July, he sent the jury
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out to consider their verdict. Three days had
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passed, and still there was no verdict. Meanwhile,
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the Millat family, who were confident of an acquittal,
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made plans for a celebratory dinner. On Saturday,
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the 27th of July, 1995, The remaining jurors
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filed into the courtroom to deliver their verdict.
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Justice Hunt asked Ivan to stand as the jury
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foreman read the verdicts. As each of the eight
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charges were read, the verdict was the same.
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For the attack on Paul Onions, Ivan was found
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guilty and received six years imprisonment. Ivan
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was found guilty of the willful murder of James
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Harold Gibson, aged 19, Deborah Phyllis Everest,
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aged 19, Joanne, After the verdict was read,
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Ivan Milat was asked if he had anything to say.
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He replied, I'm not guilty of it. That's all
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I have to say. He received seven consecutive
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last sentences, which is the term of his natural
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life. Ivan Robert Marco Millat, aged 52, was
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then sentenced to the Goulburn Supermax Prison
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in New South Wales. His file was marked as never
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to be released. Years later, in the Long Bay
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Correctional Centre's hospital wing, aged 74,
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Ivan Millat passed away from esophageal cancer
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in the early hours of Sunday morning in October
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of 2019. At the time of his death, Ivan Milat
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had yet to admit guilt for the crimes. In the
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end, the bush gave up its secrets. For those
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who never made it out alive, the silence was
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permanent. In Ivan Milat's world, only his victims
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were dead quiet.
