Finding Yourself When the World Stops | Ellie Rizoa

Podcast Mechanic: Hey, Alex San Filippo here. I'm the founder of Podmatch.com, a service that automatically connects podcast guests and hosts for interviews. And when I'm not working to make that company continue to grow, I'm listening to conversations with creator because it's a podcast that fuels me up, fuels my creativity, helps me feel more energized and ready to go back to the work that I do. Really appreciate these guys and love what you're doing with this show. And this week we couldn't be more excited to have another gifted creator in the room with us, Ellie Rizzoa. Welcome to Conversations with the Creator. Thank you for having me here. I appreciate it. Absolutely. Absolutely. So, Ellie, let's get right into it. why production? Why now? Cause you know, not being a traditional producer and starting something where most of the world was basically on hold. what made you start making beats specifically during the pandemic? So before the pandemic, I was very heavily into teaching. I was a special education teaching assistant for a while, up until the pandemic. I loved the field, I loved the kids, I did not like the system. It just didn't I I I have I have qualms with it, especially in New York. where there's money flowing but not in the right places and for me to feed into that I wasn't like so it it bothered me that like it's very political now and it's not for the kids. So I had to like create a distance. So coincidentally, during the pandemic everything was shut down, including the schools. So I started getting into like it was just looking at Instagram videos. And then I started getting into like I think it's called like they used to call them AMVs, which is like anime music videos, but they would add lo-fi into it. And I was intrigued. And there are people that would like, you know, have these reels where they would create like like the anime is on one side and then the other side they're actually making the beat that goes along with it. And I was like, wow, that's really, really cool. So for a while I was just a fan of like the lo-fi movement. And Eventually there was someone that came up to me and that was like, Have you ever considered making it beat yourself? That was like, No, not not really. Like I wasn't I wasn't about to dabble into something that I wasn't fully comfortable or confident in because no one in my family is into music, like production. No one like I discovered this on my own, like fully. So eventually I decided to download Ableton and I got a little What is it called? The MPK Mini. It's like a like a little MIDI controller. That and from there I decided to dabble into what what I thought was like nice. Like I already had like a background of like like a passion for like new Jeb S was like my my number one like influence producer, like sound. and I Just dabble into that and it just kind of grew. Kinda grew. And then eventually I started to push away what I thought I was supposed to be following. Cause you know, like when you w when you encounter something that you feel like home, you don't want to leave it. Like that's what I feel like music. You know what I mean? So it's like now it's I I found it. I found my my foundation and I'm not trying to leave it anytime soon. So That is so interesting to me because when you think of most people that are involved in music is something they've been doing since childhood. You know what I mean? So I'm sure you were always a fan of music, but never creator yourself. Yeah. Yeah. Like You know what I mean? For sure. Like I was I was a a listener, like everyone else in my family. My family loves to listen to music. They're they're they're You know, Latino. Like the the old music is everywhere. they would have like the I remember like my my mom, she she has like a whole lot of percussion that we would like play just for fun when it's time to party and barbecue and all that stuff. Like that that's what we do. But other than that, this was a new. Yeah, I think some cool things came out of it as a result. I agree. Like what I find to be something like, okay, so It was a year into the pen. I would say like it was around March or May of June of 2021, right? and I was still really passionate about what I was doing. And I came across a trigger that kind of made me question whether or not I should be doing this. Cause the person I was talking to about this was like, well, you're not making anything from it. The music industry is hard. You have no experience in it. But you have experience in this field that you decided to just up and leave. And that really froze me for a second because, you know, it's kind of like walking into a like walking into darkness when it comes to to to learning something new and following it. You're following it blindly. and then I I quit music for a while. And then and then I got pregnant, had my son and life occurred in a way where I literally had no choice but to start creating because there was no job. I had no job. I have epilepsy. So once I started having seizures, I s I couldn't I wasn't able to drive. I was literally trapped at home. So I had no choice but to pick up my MIDI controller just to keep a sense of mind. This is my first child and he's a he's a lot. I love this boy basic. So It it really it it became like a a safety, not really safety, more like a vice to keep me going. So I would just produce and produce and create and then share it. And then that really got me through it. So I was like, okay, well I learned my lesson. I'm not leaving music again. Like never again. So that's where I am now. That's why I see it as like a healing, healing thing. Because it finds you. so for you, like you were saying, music production is a therapeutic and spiritual practice. would you mind going into that a little bit deeper on what that actually means for you? Yeah, sure. so I feel like everyone has a different interpretation of what music means to them. So I'll just talk about how I kind of define it spiritually. Like what I do when I produce my music is like I chop my samples. I love chopping. That's like my technique. I kind of use the the MIDI controller or like my SP404 as like a piano more than a sequencer, if that makes sense. So I literally like to slice. And there are times where I'll slice it to like, you know, if I use my my big MIDI controller, I would slice it into like 64 slices. You know what I mean? Just see what I can do. And what that does for me is. It allows me to appreciate the sample that was right in front of me. And knowing what that is, I was able to transform it into something different. Something different. But it still worked. So that's kind of like a not everything has to go one way. You could find multiple ways to get to a same like conclusion, result that is satisfying to you. And that's how I see it as spiritually, because everyone has a different path, but it works. Whatever works for you, works for you. So, you know, you have a bunch of different things going on when you're when you're producing. Yeah. Yeah. And it's it's it's really that's what I find therapeutic is it's kind of like, I don't know, say say if you were you know how what are those called? Like cutting up magazines like collages. You know what I mean? Like you you're able to kind of make something new by cutting it into different pieces and it still turns out beautifully. You know what I mean? And that's your vision of it. Let that's what I like to do about like sampling. Sampling in general is is fun because you get to show your interpretation of what the song could sound like. And create a whole new feeling, a no whole new soundtrack for someone to enjoy that was inspired by something else. And and I'm with you because that's to me that's when sampling is is fun when you can take something and and especially when somebody can't recognize it and then you know you might watch those videos where they show how it started and he's like, Man, I would have never like, how did they h hear what they ended up with just off of that little piece? Yes. And with with that being said, because you know, finding something old and forgotten and then hearing something new inside it, that that sounds like a ancient practice nowadays. So you specifically, Ellie, what are you actually listening for when you're searching For a sample. Resonance. I have to find something that I personally relate to it. If I don't relate to it at that moment, I don't touch it because then I feel like I turn it into something inauthentic. And I try to make it as authentic as possible. So every beat that you hear, I submerse myself in it because I feel like it's it's like something I I resonate with. Right. so That's what I feel like. I it it's kinda like going to a store and buying something. You're not gonna just buy it if it's flashy, you're gonna buy it 'cause you see yourself wearing it. You know what mean? So that's how I see samples. So I choose what I feel resonates with me at the moment. And now are you when you so when it resonates, okay, let's go there. So when it resonates with you, are you are you inspired to create something at least in the lane of that, but with your own touch? Or are you specifically trying to go totally left field? Like it inspired you enough to want to sample it, but I want to take this totally left feel, but still evoke that same emotion? Or do I want to kind of stay in the similar feel of what the sample is or or does it depend on the sample? When I create, unless I'm like working for like say say the client is asking me for custom beats and I have no choice but to kind of go in the lane that they're going towards and that's one thing, but When I'm just creating for me, I don't look for like, okay, like I want this to sound like this or I want it. Everything is like a blank sleep. And I just kind of go with how am I feeling right now? How is my day going? What do I want to express? And then I just kinda go from there. Okay. And that's why sometimes I feel like my music Depending on like who's listening to it, it's it's literally a hit and miss for a reason. It depends on how the person interprets it because I wasn't having their interpretation of like what it is in mind. I was just expressing what it was going from my head and my heart and my spirit and just letting it out and turning it into it. And whoever resonates with it resonates with it. Right. I think that's what art should be though, right? Like you do it for yourself first and hopefully people catch on. You know what I'm saying? And they're not gonna always catch on. That's cool. But if you did catch on, thank you. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. But you gotta make it for yourself first. All right. Yeah, yes. Yes, yes, yes. I got three titles, right? Cause I was going through your purchasable catalog. And as soon as I found out where I could go listen to your music, I automatically went there. Now, unbind. There's some bird chirping going on in there, and I really, I really, really like that. Like I like I like sound design. I like, you know, ambient music. I like stuff that makes you feel like you're somewhere else when you're listening to it. W y you were talking about finding that that influence when you write your music. What were you influenced by when you did Unbind? Literally, so The birds that you hear were the birds that I was recording at the time. Like, like I was so I use this audio, I forgot what it's called. It's an H1N zoom. So it's like a field recorder. Mm-hmm. That's all. So I I use that to literally record what's around me during the time that I'm producing. Like everything is in real time. Everything. Just about everything. There are times where I do reuse some sounds, but the ones that you see the videos of, like a lot of the birds. Like a lot of the sounds you hear is not like I didn't add that into it. You're just hearing the actual audio of the like of your environment where you're where you're recording it. Okay, gotcha. Yeah. So that's where I kind of got that from. Like, Unbind. Unbind was a song that I felt compelled to well actually, no. So the titles of the song, I don't even think about until it's time for me to release it because my my intention is just to produce what needs to be produced and let out and that's it. Yeah. what was I feeling during that time? Probably very trapped, which is why I felt like I just need to just use that as an envisioner to express what I want, which is more freedom, which is more, you know what I mean? Like I felt like it was that was the influence with that. Just let everything go. Interesting. That's an interesting An interesting process that you title everything like after the fact. Cause I'm kind of the I'm the opposite. Like, I don't know if it's different 'cause I'm writing a song, but like for me, like it's I I have done that where it's just you you know, you got some cool rhymes in your head, you get down, but like I try not to get too far into that without coming up 'cause like I feel like when I when I give it a title then I have a little bit more direction of where I want to go. with the writing. So I I find that in interesting that you'll complete these songs and then, you know, title later. You know what I mean? So I will say if I'm working for a client, like, I will do the titles first 'cause that gives me a guideline of what they want. So I know for sure, like, okay, like at least I'm heading into the direction that they they wanted it. Mm-hmm. but when it comes to my music, maybe it's because like the whole theme is just too Have it as open as possible for interpretation, for reflection. That's why at the end it's very like vague, I guess. because that that's what the intent is. The tense is to not worry about the other dynamics of the song that people usually focus on is literally to just calm the mind down completely. So that that that's where I kind of like use that influence. I had j I had a thought as you were saying it. I was like, man, it it would be dope, just a cool little talent if you like put out like beats and then let your fans come up with potential titles. You know what I'm saying? And then you pick and then you pick the one you like the best or something like that. See what it says to them. Yeah. But that that's a really good idea. I've been trying to find ways to like I guess dabble back into the community. Also not in a way that is like too far away from what my intentions are. 'Cause one of the things that I noticed is that like, say, like, there are times where I try to create things like sample packs, right? And I've tried and I've attempted to many, many, many times. Then what I've noticed, I'm like, this doesn't even feel like me. I feel like I'm just like creating something that I don't even use. And I I felt like it just it didn't rent I use the words resonate. You're you're almost trying to fit into a box. I've tried to go the route that everyone else does and it doesn't come out right in my personal opinion. So I'm like, let me just stay in my lane. That that that's a sign that I should just stay in my lane and that's it. Okay. I'm pretty sure you're gonna wake up one day and you're gonna go through like all the sound design, you know, stuff that you recorded with your Zoom, you know, and find something in there that you're like, Okay. I really wanna use this, but I think this I think Other people would also benefit from using this and then you'll start to put together, even if it takes two years, you'll you'll put together thirty things and then it'll be like, Okay, this is the tape. And the thing about it is your followers who are following you now and the ones who are coming up that are just discovering you like us, like they're going to be ready for that when you drop it. Right. Yeah, you have your bird pack, you have your squirrel pack. Do a thing. That thing. Like As many beats as you're putting out, that's like a goal for a lot of producers. Cause like, you know, fifty plus instrumentals in a year, you know, I when I was back making beats, I I will try to do that. Yeah. what what does that kinda like say about where you are creatively that you released that many tracks in a single year? That I'm not bound. That's what I don't like right now, right? Like externally speaking, when it comes to things involving finances, when it comes to my, you know, my my circumstances, I'm stuck, right? My music, I don't want it to feel like that. So that's what I kind of like allow it to be as free as possible. Cause that kind of reflects what I envision myself being free. I'm a busy mom. Like, busy. My son keeps me busy and I don't have the support that I would like that that allows me to have a lot of time to sit down and actually take my time. I don't have that. He has me going like it's if it's like, all right, mom, we gotta do this. We gotta do this. Like, so I have learned through, I guess he he kind of trained me to be like he he he was like my the mastermind to hustle culture when it comes to momhood. Like he he kind of just has me on the go. So I've kind of been trained to utilize the time that I had. To create whatever comes to mind. That that's what that's why I mean like when I say like, I don't really think too much about it because time is going to keep going. I still have other things I gotta do. Like, you know, so I think that mindset of just, okay, I have the time. Let me just it's kind of like a diary entry. That's what I use. Okay, so like. It's since it's a healing technique for me, it's similar to, you know, almost doing your due diligence or writing in your journal every single night. Like that that's how I see it as like with that's how important it is. It sounds like a a way of expressing what I cannot. It's it's once it's out, then I can just focus on being a mom. Now I can focus on doing, you know, focusing on me. Now I can just focus on growing. Like it's almost sometimes it's almost like something that I cannot continue the day until I get that done. So you gotta trust the process. Trust the pro that's exactly. And it's hard sometimes because you know like you know life likes to like remind you of the things that you lack and I have to kind of focus on like future future of like like I have to constantly remember that like the the abundance, everything is here. Everything is now. Like I may not see it at the moment because it's life only happens like one frame at a time. But it's there. It's there. And I just have to keep going. There are times where I'm like, damn, like this isn't moving like fast enough. I I just can't. But then I'm like, the also like the the alternative is not really great either. Like what what is there? Like Right. There was there was a I forgot. There was there was someone who I forgot what he I forgot who he was, but I'll just say the quote. So he said something about we are at a time, society wise, where following your dreams is probably the most reasonable thing to do right now. So wow. So I'm like, yeah, it's the truth. It's the truth. Like what what what's topic is now? Yeah, that's so true, man. My my my old pastor, may you rest in peace. He used to always tell us, tell the church, he was like, you know, this system was not designed for us to get ahead. It was designed to keep you like right here. You know what I'm saying? And so you're right. If you wanna get to that next level, it almost you have to follow your dream and your passion. You have to follow it what you were designed to do. Or else you're just gonna be like this little robot in this little tiny little space that you know, someone way above you, s some CEO designed to keep you at, you know what I'm saying? He he de he definitely didn't design for you to be his equal partner. You know what I'm saying? He needs he needs the ants. He needs the workers. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, he needs the sheep. Yeah, exactly. So that's so true. But you're you're too different for that. You're you're too different to conform. Right. Because you're doing you're doing stuff I you're doing stuff I see your male counterparts as producers and beat makers, you know what I'm saying? not doing like you're going out into into a bar. I saw the video where you were out at a spot doing like like like we're live performers. You know what I mean? And and and we go out and we we perform, we got a band and we do stuff in front of crowds. Like I don't see people who are just going and dropping instrumentals. doing that stuff in front of people. That's dope. And that's that's crazy because when I was watching the video, that's all I was thinking in my head. I was like, yo, I don't I don't know anybody else who's who's doing this. Thank you. It's it's I don't I don't go to live sets often because of the schedule and, you know, my my circumstances. But when I do, I feel like I just I'm in my element when I when I'm like when I'm out there, like, it's kind of like I'm able to relay the message I want. In person, directly. So like the music hits so much more directly, so much more deeply in person than it is through, you know, social media and and the streamings and stuff. So I really value those those times for sure. You know, and speaking of unconventional approaches and and, you know, what streaming can't offer. So we know how popular streaming is, right? You know. It's pretty much dominating how we're consuming music right now. but you chose a more direct to consumer approach. band camp. And I think we all have most artists have it, but I th I could say for myself, I underutilize it. But tell me why does bandcamp work for you and what does it provide that streaming doesn't? I had my a lot of my music on streaming services for a while. But I didn't like The fact that they had the numbers kind of blasting in your face as if you should be focusing on the numbers and cells, like as if it one, it's there. And two, whether or not it, yeah, whether or not it determines your worth. And I was like, it after a while, I noticed that like even with my my peers that have like their music on there, there were some that like I feel like that's all they focused on was the numbers. And I'm like, yo, Music is not about numbers. Mus numbers is numbers. Music is a completely different thing. So I wanted for myself, it was more so a a a strategy for myself to understand that I am more than the numbers that that are on. 1000%. And and I I noticed that when it comes to like unless you've known someone directly or you got a direct recommendation, people subconsciously look at the numbers and they determine whether or not it's even worth listening to. Wow. And I'm like Yeah. So I'm like, I would rather it's kinda like when you when you physically meet someone, you don't know them until you meet them. So having a a preconceived notion of somebody is is that that that's what that's what the internet is about nowadays. So with Bandcamp, I kinda like it 'cause it's like a store, you know? It's kind of like, that's that's that's Ellie's story. Like this is her vibe. This is why she she likes it. And that's all they see. They don't see the numbers. They don't see how many times people played it because it's none of their business. Like it's it's about the relationship between the listener and the artist. That's it. I like Bandcamp because it like s so like Instagram is my main hub. So for the people who click on my bandcamp, They're taking the time to click outside of my profile to listen to my music. Those are the ones I want to focus on. Those those are my fans. Those are the ones that like the ones that kind of go through streaming stuff. I'm like, okay, well, they could have heard my stuff from a playlist. They could have just been scrolling. You know what I mean? Like the ones on Van Camp, I feel like I I I feel like there's a connection there. That's the metric we should be focusing on because those are the ones that are willing to, you know, that those are called devoted fans. Like there there's there's fans that come and go. Like I wouldn't even call today's like people fans anyway. Like I'm talking about like the ones that kind of just they're for the hype and then they leave. Those are not really fans. They're just there for the you vibe. Yeah. Yeah. We have to come up with a new name for them. Cas Casuals. The the these are casuals. Passerbys. Passerbys. And they're everywhere. And people mistaking that for fans. And it's like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Those are not fans. Those are people that are there to observe, to feel, and then lose. I I think we were kind of taught that we should be focusing on it's kinda like I'm gonna bring this up. It's kind of like what is that called? Standardized testing in school. You know what I mean? All numbers. All numbers. It doesn't mean anything for the kid. It doesn't mean it's all yeah. It doesn't show the whole story, right? No, it doesn't. And it doesn't even benefit the the child. It it benefits the the system. It benefits the system. So it's like I I I like when I I like having establishments where we focus on the needs of like the listener, the needs of the viewer, the needs of that particular. Like I I like that person to feel heard. and and and and validated and that's that's that's where the music kind of comes in. Like I there there are some popular artists obviously that have music that resonates with with others. but that's usually not the main goal. Right. The goal is to make money. Like Yeah. Well because of you I I started a new band camp. count today under the under the under the podcast. So I love it. So that way we can support whoever comes on here and has a band count. We could just start starting a That's awesome. So like creating music that invites healing and reflection. That's that's really what you're about. When you sit down to make a beat, do you know where the beat is going or do you just wait for it to rebuild itself afterward? I wait. I wait. Everything is about waiting. I noticed that when I when I try to rush what I think it should be, it doesn't come out the way that I want it. It's kind of like Yeah, no. Everything with music, like naturally speaking, I I I rush through everything. I kinda like to get things done like, you know, very like this, this, this, this, and that. But music forces me, even with that short period of time, if Forces me to be as completely present as possible. I have to. I have to. In order for it to actually make sense and resonate, I have to be as present as possible. So being as present as possible when you're producing music requires you to not give a F about anything else but what you are producing and not talk not thinking about how it's going to end up, not thinking about you're only focusing on How it's making you feel as you're producing. Yes. It sounds like it probably feels more organic that way anyway. You know I would liken it to like a painter picks up his his his paintbrush and you know, he may have an idea of where it's going, but does it always come out how he thought it was gonna come out? It's he's probably it's probably revealing itself as he's putting those colors together and though you know what I mean? Those different strokes. It's like, I thought this is where it's going, but it looked like it's going I I thought I was finna paint a horse, but I think I'm about to paint an elephant. You know what I mean? Yes. And then that that's that also goes to show that like music well when you're when you're doing something from like start to finish, you learn things about yourself that you don't. Like one of the things that I I try to do is, you know, like I'm pretty sure of myself, but to say I know everything about myself, I don't know that yet. I'm only thirty-two. Like, like there's There's new things that I'm discovering about myself every single day. Music allows me to do that. Like I said, it's kind of like writing in a journal and then looking back at it and being like, stop. Like, what? Wow. Like you you learn things about you. And that's what I so like when I create music, it's not about like when I'm at the point of production at least. The listener is the last person I'm thinking about. Everything else, I'm just focusing on me. And then And then once it's time to like listen to it and then release it, it's it's about you guys. But during that process, it's it's all about the try to be authentic as possible when it comes to what I want to reflect out there. I want to be precise about it. I love that, man. That's it's almost like the old adage for like the sermon is for the pastor first before he presents it to the congregation. You know what I'm saying? It's like God had to speak to him about whatever that issue he's about to preach about. It was for him to receive it first, then he can share it. So that's beautiful. Well, Ellie, I think it's so Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I think it's so dope that, you know, music found you. You know what I'm saying? During a time that was a time of uncertainty, a time of of fear for a lot of people, a time that was very scary. And it's beautiful thing that we all love music. It found you. You found your purpose. So I think that's so dope. So what we like to always absolutely. What we what we like to always ask our guests is what's next? What's next for Ellie Rizzoa and what are you building towards? Okay. it's it's it's great that you asked that. So I have a side brand called Chop Therapy. Chop Therapy is a brand that I created that is specifically meant for the music and sounds that I have. To slow the brain down enough for you to make sound decisions. It's pretty much so I recently launched a product called the Chop Therapy Emergency Kit. And this emergency kit has it's okay, so the kit is intended for the moments where you feel very overwhelmed and you feel as though like you're ready to make a decision that may not be wise. But you need something to calm you down. That's what that product is for. So it has five lo-fi instrumentals that I produced that is meant to be listened to like one by one. There's also two meditation tracks that I that I developed. There is a whole bunch of like one-shots, like stuff that you can click on just to the, you know, just to distract your mind. Like there's a cat meow. There's like a There's a raindrop, there's there's like a road cord, like there's also visualizers of me like nature visualizers that I've recorded myself that is again, it just to trick your mind into remembering that you you are you are safe, you're good, you just keep going. Like and I'm really, really, really proud of that because it's it's intended for for the people who really really need it at the moment. that's that's where I'm such a dope concept. Thank you. That's where I'm leaning towards. Like I really such a dope concept. I care about the well-being and mindset of people, especially nowadays where things are really dark. I feel like having a grounded mind is so important. and it influences other people to be calm too. That's one of the things I I I want like to. kind of put out there is like during times of chaos, staying calm is so important because what they want is more hype, more the more hype, the more drama, the more chaos, the more we lose ourselves. And and we as as creators specifically of music, we know the power of music. You know what I mean? We know what music can do good and bad. You know what I mean? So I think that is a phenomenal concept. yeah, we go support that and get out to as many people as possible because it's so important, man. I'm I'm sitting here thinking, I don't want to get dark, but it it immediately made me think about something that happened earlier today. where this guy goes to his girlfriend, I don't know if it was his current girlfriend or ex girlfriend, they get into an argument. She's at work, a city worker, and He She's a mom of four. I'm like, I don't think he got up this morning thinking that that's what he was gonna do. She definitely didn't wake up thinking this was her last day on earth. And what if there was something like that where he could have just sat and listened to this chop therapy and really thought about okay, this this ain't worth it. You know what I mean? That's exactly. Like, okay. Yeah. So we okay, so well This is a fun fact. So emotions, like once you feel it, it lasts in the brain, in the body. You feel it for ninety seconds, right? Everything else you feel after that, that's you holding on to it. But if you just let it, it goes by quickly. But not that it's very hard to think in the moment. And that's one of the things that like that that's really unfortunate for for for that that that whole family. But It's it's really important to have that at least a tool, at least something to have on At something, right, right. Something that you can just be like, okay, like it's this is it's not worth it. I still wanna, you know, continue life as you know and yeah. Again, to your point, just the power of music and what that can mean. So I'm glad you re you recognize your power and in that and what you can what you can bring to so many people. With that, Yeah, that's really important. Thank you. I appreciate that. No doubt. So let everybody know how they can connect with you and support everything that you're doing. Okay. So I have a Linktree that's in my Instagram bio. if you want to look it up, it's just Linktree slash L E Rezoa. It's just with the bat in between the L and the Rizzoa, I believe. but if you can find it, it's the link is the first thing you see on my my bio. and it has my substacks where I, you know, write about whatever is going on in my mind. I have my YouTube channel, I have my my therapy kit if you wanna purchase that. I have my Bam Camp. Basically everything is on that one page for everyone to to look into it. Thank you again, Ellie, for being here. Thank you for having me. Yeah, no doubt. It's been a pleasure and it it's been awesome. Thank you. Absolutely. Thank you, thank you, thank you guys. I I I'm really blessed for for being here. Like I really enjoy the conversations. I'm Jayak and I'm Shah Kor and this has been another Dope Conversation. Peace.