S1217: Competent and Dangerous with Justin Carroll

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My name is Jacob Paulson. I am the host of today's show. We are sans Riley today,
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who is often the host or co-host on today's show because, well, I gave him the boot.
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That's the short answer. I was like, I'm going to talk to this guy,
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Justin, and I don't want you around.
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So we gave Riley the boot, and here we are today. The day of recording of this
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episode is December 11th, 2025, and we're really grateful to be here.
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We're going to quickly just mention this episode.
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The podcast title sponsor right now continues to be HK, Heckler & Koch.
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I've been loving my HKs. I just got a new one. In fact, I'm pretty stoked about it.
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So thank you to HK for being a sponsor. I am joined today with our guest who,
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Justin, I don't even know if you like people knowing your last name.
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So I'm just going to say you're Justin.
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Okay, that's fine.
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I never see your last name anywhere written down.
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It's on the book. You can say it.
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Okay, Justin Carroll. Okay. I could have checked the cover, I guess. It does say it on there.
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So Justin Carroll is here, and you guys are going to learn a lot about Justin.
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Justin is one of those people who has a lot of influence.
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Okay, I'm now introducing you. That's what happens. You'll have to fix everything I say in a minute.
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But my perspective is Justin has a lot of influence on people who are in the
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know, but you're kind of like this silent, hidden dude in a lot of respects.
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You have an amazing blog, swiftsilentedly.com, that I've been following since,
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well, I don't know, years now.
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And I see it quoted or referred to by a lot of people I trust and I respect.
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And that's very indicative for me. And now you've published a book,
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which we're going to be talking about today.
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So I'm just really thrilled you're here. Thank you for giving us some time.
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Yeah. Thank you so much for having me on. I really appreciate that.
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And I'm really gratified to learn that someone's reading my blog because,
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uh, I feel like we were talking before the, before we started,
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but video, everything is video now.
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And sometimes I'm like, man, am I just casting this into the void?
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Well, there's some of us that still know how to read, um, though off.
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I'm being honest. I do have an app on my phone that reads people's blog posts
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to me so that I don't have to read it. Like I can listen to it. So that's how lazy I am.
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I've thought at times of just making everything, you know, just reading all
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my blog posts, making it a podcast and putting some B-roll behind it.
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And, but yeah, obviously.
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Time.
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I'm a little busy.
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Yeah. Well, and I think that, you know, this is, this is not the direction I intended to go.
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But, you know, I think if we're being honest too, we have to say,
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you know, what is the primary objective?
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What is the, what is the mission in me writing this blog?
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Like I operate a personal website, JacobSPaulson.com.
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And like I publish things there. I don't even have analytics on the site.
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I don't even care how many people see it. Like my purpose in writing things
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on JacobSPaulson.com is twofold. One, it's almost like a journal.
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Like I just, I want to have a record of this that's out there.
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And second, like when someone asked me, like two or three people have asked me the same question.
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I'm like, it's time for me to make this a blog post. So the next person who
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asked me, I can just send them a link.
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But as far as I know, like 20 people have ever been to that website and that's perfectly fine with me.
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So anyway, for whatever it's worth, I think, you know, what's my objective?
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What's my mission? Sometimes it's not exposure.
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It's not like I don't do this for the business and the views and the eyeballs.
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Yeah. And now that I have a book out, I'm kind of regretting that.
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But yeah, I started this with, so I started a blog called Revolver Guy that got really popular.
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I mean, it's still fairly small for a firearms blog, but it's very popular within
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its niche, probably the dominant blog in the revolver space.
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And then I have written a couple other blogs.
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I worked in IT security for a few years, had a very popular blog in that space
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and just got bored with it.
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And this was a personal project. I said, I want to start a blog where I can
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write about my compost pile or my recipe I'm interested in or whatever.
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And it's kind of gotten a little more industry focused as the years have gone
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by, but occasionally I still write some off the wall posts.
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And it is still a very much personal blog.
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And like you said, a record. I think that's important for,
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uh, to be able to look back and be like, what did I think about this back then?
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Cause I, sometimes I think I don't have a very high opinion of my younger self
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and I'm like, what did, uh, you know, what did I think about this when I was, you know,
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35 years old and, you know, to be able to go back and read some of that and
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be like, oh yeah, I still had a pretty informed opinion or wow,
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I've really changed on that.
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I think that's important, um, to, to lifelong learners like you and I.
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Yeah, no, I go back and read things I wrote 10 years ago, and I'm embarrassed
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often. I'm like, oh my gosh, I was really naive.
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My understanding of this topic was very narrow at that time,
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and here I was trying to share my wisdom with others, and I had very little.
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Oh, God. Yeah, there are a few blog posts I've considered just taking down,
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pretending never existed, but I've yet to do that.
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Yeah, that's all good. Before we get going too far, I did want to quickly mention,
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And in addition to Justin, who's our honorary, his book and his website are
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All right, cool. So this is being recorded live. So for those who have comments
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on YouTube or Facebook, feel free to chime in.
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And if they're relevant and we think valuable, then we'll reference them during
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the show. But we do see them here as they're coming in.
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So Justin, let's start by sharing a little bit of your background.
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I'm going to kick it off by telling people how you and I first got connected.
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And I had to dig this up a little bit.
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And then I'll let you kind of share your story. And you have a diverse story
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because you seem to be the kind of person who gets bored and decides to get off into life.
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But here's how we got connected. I was working with Mike Seeklander and Rich
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Brown over at the American Warrior Society, American Warrior podcast,
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American Warrior, whatever, like all the things that they have going on.
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And we were collaborating on a med kit, a branded American Warrior Society med kit, trauma kit.
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And we were working through what would be included in that kit.
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And we kind of started to sort that out.
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And then Rich and Mike basically said, hey, hold on. Like, we're not the experts in this topic.
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We're going to, you know, talk to somebody who we think, you know,
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really knows what's going on.
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And it was you. So they wrapped you into the email thread and said,
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hey, Justin, like, what do you think about this, you know, these supplies?
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And you had some feedback, some valuable thing. Like, hey, I think we should
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add this and that kind of thing.
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And so you were instrumental in kind of nailing down the components in that
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med case. So that was our first time crossing paths. That's where I learned about Justin.
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So for everybody who's listening and watching, give us the quick bio,
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like where you've been, what you've been doing.
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Well, I'm glad you brought up Mike Seaclander because I'm going to steal Mike Seaclander quote.
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And it's basically, if I give you my whole bio, it just sounds like I can't hold down a job.
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Sometimes I think my diverse interest is kind of a maladaptive trait.
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But no, overall, I do have a very diverse background. I've done a lot of different things.
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And that's kind of been with a little bit of purpose and intentionality.
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There's a podcaster who's no longer on the air, Aaron Frankel.
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He did the in the rabbit hole podcast. He called it the human Swiss army knife syndrome.
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Like you want to be want to be very good and very skilled at everything.
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And I've I refer to it as the competent man trope from Hollywood.
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The guy who's just any situation. He's like, oh, I was, you know,
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I did this for 10 years as a job. So I know how to overcome this obstacle or whatever.
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That's kind of what I wanted to do. And I'm still just chasing little boy,
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Justin dreams of, uh, being a cop. I recently went to the police Academy.
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I've been a sworn law enforcement officer for like six months now.
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Uh, it's my full-time job now. So, uh, initially I, you know, I went to high school.
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I did not go to college. I got out, I got a super dead end job at a factory as an assembler.
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And I was like, man, this really sucks. Uh, so I joined the Marine Corps.
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I did eight years in the Marine Corps. I was very fortunate to be in force recon.
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I was actually in a force recon platoon. I was at third platoon,
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second force recon company when MARSOC stood up.
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I was very fortunate to be a member of the first deploying MARSOC unit.
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I got out and I just, man, I just lucked into everything.
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I became a contractor going overseas with the State Department and then with another agency.
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I was kind of getting burned out on that when my buddy was like,
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Hey bro, we're looking for instructors down at the special operations schoolhouse,
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the Marine special operations schoolhouse.
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So I went down there, uh, taught for just right at five years as a full-time
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equivalent instructor.
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I left there and spent a couple of years living in a van down by the river.
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I've heard that joke one million times. I did. I bought a van.
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I spent some time just kind of on personal sabbatical exploring the United States.
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We live in a vast country, and it kind of makes me a little bit sad when you
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look at the statistics of how few states most Americans visit.
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I think it's like five or six.
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And that's, man, we live in a vast country with a diverse array of landscapes and,
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Anyway, anyhow, I digress, but just me and my German shepherd,
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mostly out West because I'm from the East Coast, camping in national parks,
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climbing, hanging out with interesting people,
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visiting friends from the military that I've been separated from for years.
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During that time, I wrote a book and was doing a podcast on digital privacy
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and security, which got me headhunted by a startup up in Northern Virginia.
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So i went to work for them for a couple of years and then
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uh for a lifestyle change decided to move out
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of the beltway area um covet happened and
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i like i'd still been contracting for that company i could work a few a few
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weeks a year and pay the bills uh and then covet happened it shut down all i
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was i was primarily teaching for them and that got shut down so i decided now
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would be a great time to go into health care so i went to emt school and then
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paramedic school um i'm still a paramedic.
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I actually just picked up a, I'm still part-time.
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I picked up a shift tonight. So I'll go in at 7 PM tonight, work till seven in the morning.
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Uh, and just about a year ago, um, well, just before hurricane Helene,
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I decided to go into law enforcement.
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It's always been kind of a dream, always been something I've wanted to do.
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So I, uh, went to the academy at night while still working full-time at ems
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and uh my plan was to stay full-time at ems and just be a part-time cop but
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that kind of got for whatever reason got turned on its head and now now here we are so.
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A little bit of everything uh there's a lot of a lot of you know personal interest
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between the cracks there but that's the the general outline of my background
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um since i've been you know for the last 25 years i've been pursuing interesting
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and novel hobbies and vocations and jobs and training, and here we are.
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Yeah. Okay. So what I love about these kinds of podcast episodes,
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a lot of times, you know, frequent listeners and watchers of Conciled Carry
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Podcasts know that we tend to go into these conversations.
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For every hundred episodes of this podcast, we only have a guest on about 20 of them.
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So most of the time it's just Riley
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and or I or someone else from our team talking about a specific topic.
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What I love about these episodes is that we figure out what we're going to talk
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about as we talk about it. And so
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First question, have you been to all 50 states?
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No, man. No, I'm pretty sure my blog lists some number. I'm pretty sure it's,
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I'm equally sure it's wrong.
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There's like, besides Alaska and Hawaii, there are, I think,
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two in the United States, and there are really no reason to go to either one.
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I don't say that to be mean.
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We better not say out loud which ones they are. Yeah, yeah.
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I don't say that to be mean. I just like, I'm like, hey, what is the thing to do in this state?
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Like, if I'm going to go say I've been to the state, where do I go?
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And everybody's kind of like, oh, well, I'm not really sure.
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Well, yeah, there's a couple.
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We don't have to insult North Dakota or whatever it is you might be talking about.
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The only state I've not been to is Minnesota. So I've been to 49 states.
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Though some of those, you know, kind of passing through. But before we move
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off this topic, I do have to ask a couple specific questions.
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Who has the best food? Like if you're like, man, I just want to eat well.
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Like where would you go in the this in this country
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Uh honestly i know this is gonna be unpopular on a gun podcast i would go to
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new england i love seafood i absolutely yeah.
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Boston all the way up that coastline yeah yeah
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Uh which i actually lived in massachusetts i
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i was a concealed carry holder there aside from the assault weapons
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thing like i didn't find like i i actually loved living there i know i like
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we're so siloed now that like i feel like you can't even mention massachusetts
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without making people mad but it was an amazing place to live beautiful four
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amazing seasons the best summers anywhere in my opinion yeah um and the amazing
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history amazing yeah yeah i mean history i.
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Don't know anywhere in this country you have like
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a stronger like attachment to America, to American history, I should say a stronger
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attachment to American history than you do in Boston.
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Yeah. And probably to the, to my,
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to, to the betterment of me, I didn't know this until I moved away,
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but I lived like five blocks from the Sam Adams, the original Sam Adams distiller
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or brewery, which I toured when I went back to vacation. But I'm,
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I'm glad I didn't know that when I lived there.
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It's an amazing city. All right so we talked about food all right
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so one one more thing about your your travels and i
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read by the way on your blog post maybe three four years
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ago you wrote a beautiful article about kind of the van life you know kind of
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some do's and don'ts and and things and uh i thought it was a very uh valuable
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blog post and i and i think it was timely because it's you know it was kind
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of covid time and people were kind of embracing the overlanding you know trend
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and and that kind of deal uh so it's it's it's kind of uh
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interesting you know that that aspect of that that period of your
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life but we asked about food um i was going to ask about weather but you already
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made it very clear that you know that's that that's the best you know seasons
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of the year so my last thought will be this like where are the nicest people
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like if it's just like man where did you find like the most amazing humans i would be honestly
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Honestly everywhere like if you like uh i
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say this all the time i've been all over the world and
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people are essentially the same everywhere people want basically the
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same things they want security food security
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housing security financial security they want to be
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loved and accepted by their groups and that's essentially
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universal the the things that
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are different about us are really kind of surface things
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the foods we eat that's i mean yeah it's different and it's weird to go somewhere
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you you know to some country that doesn't eat like us at all it's it's weird
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to kind of figure out what you like and don't like and how to well sometimes
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just how to feed yourself but uh people are nice everywhere once you just broach that initial,
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that initial wall that initial social guard that we all have up at all times
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people everywhere in the world will take you in and be friendly with you and
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you know show you the you know the good secret spot to eat or whatever uh people
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are amazing everywhere if you will just you know just give them the opportunity to be yeah.
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Thank you i was i was I was hoping you might say something like that.
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Okay, we're going to get into the meat of this. Like we're going hardcore meat and potatoes now.
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You have a captive audience right now of people listening and watching this podcast.
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Probably, you know, between 10 and 30,000 people are going to hear and listen
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to what you're about to say. So here's the question.
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No pressure.
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Yeah, no pressure. Yeah, just, you know, whatever comes out of your head is fine.
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Our podcast is Concealed Carry. That's the Concealed Carry podcast.
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Our brand is concealedcarry.com.
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You've interacted with a lot of people that make up my demographics.
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And now you're doing it with a badge. You did it as a paramedic EMT.
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I would like to hear your thoughts
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on what are the biggest incorrect things or things that concealed carriers are
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ignoring or neglecting that you think we need to address as a community, as a group.
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Yeah i think number one thing is
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uh failing the concealer gun um open carry
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i'm i'm not a fan at all and this is the concealed carry i'm you
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know just still a quote from spencer keepers i'm a fan of the right not a fan
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of the practice um because universally everyone i see open carrying and i'm
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sure there's one guy out there who's going to comment that not me i carry in
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a safari land level three at all times is carrying in kind of a crappy holster
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that is not well attached to the body that won't retain that gun.
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And we, we, we know we have the information.
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We, we have the video, we have the news articles. Greg Elfords has written a
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huge, beautiful article about this very thing.
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The people are not intimidated by your gun or, or the people who we want to
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be intimidated are not intimidated by the gun.
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They've probably had guns pointed at them before. They may have been shot before
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they've likely been shot at before.
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If they decide they want your gun, just the virtue of you having it is not going
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to be a huge deterrent to them taking it away from you and in many cases using
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it against you on the spot i i um uh.
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You know, hike in the woods. I don't care, but, um, being in public with open
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carry, I that's, and not even as a law enforcement officer.
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Um, it's just, it's just kind of a, I don't think it's a best practice.
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Um, the other thing is, um, you know, carry conditions.
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I see this quite a bit as a paramedic. If someone's in a car wreck and I pulled
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them into my ambulance and they have a gun, I'm going to, I'm going to make that weapon safe.
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Um, I, uh, I wouldn't recommend all my paramedic
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sisters and brothers do that not all of them have the
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skill set to do to do so safely and safety of
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patient first and crew second is you know
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our highest priority but uh carrying
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without a round in the chamber i see that quite a
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bit um carrying just in a pocket or a
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purse without a holster i see that kind
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of that's kind of scary frequent um and
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i i don't think that's a good practice at all that uh when
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we're talking concealed needs to be in a holster holster does
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several things for you and importantly it protects the trigger and
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prevents stuff from getting inside the trigger and potentially pulling that
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trigger when you don't want it to be pulled or just you know
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a guy like me who's just really all i'm looking for is
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is your wallet so i can see if you have a medication list because you're unconscious
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and i grab a gun i don't or your child or grandchild or whomever may be in your
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purse or backpack or whatever uh that trigger should be protected by you know
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kind of a rigid a rigid mechanical protection there to keep
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fingers or other objects from getting in there and pulling the trigger uh when
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it's when it's not intended i think those would be my two biggest things they're
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kind of i guess a little bit related yeah.
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So i want to talk about both of these well i think i think the open care thing
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doesn't require a whole lot more discussion because I think, you know, I just
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It seems so straightforward to me. It's like, yeah, guys, like,
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it's like what there's applications for open carry.
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So I don't think that you or I are suggesting that like never,
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ever, I think what we're saying is that as a, as a general daily practice,
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it tends to, um, the potential benefits are greatly outweighed by the downsides.
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That's, that's kind of how I,
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I see it or perceive it. I agree about with Spencer, uh, about the right.
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Like I, I, I want us to have the right of open carry all day,
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everywhere in this country.
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I live in what has become a relatively restrictive state in Colorado,
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where open carry is banned in certain municipalities.
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But I'm a fan of the right. It just doesn't make sense. But I want to talk about carry conditions.
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So that was interesting because when you said carry conditions,
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I wasn't sure where you were going to go with that. And you went in two different directions.
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One, you talked about sort of this idea of are we using a proper holster,
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whether that's in the pocket, whether that's in a bag, like whether that's on
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the waistband, whatever the thing is, I'm going to come back to that.
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But the other thing you started with when you mentioned carry conditions was,
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are we running it with a round in the chamber?
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Now, this still is a little bit of a hot-button issue in the community. Is it?
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I mean, it must be because I see.
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Based on the comments I see. And it's funny because I perceive the gun culture
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differently today than I did a year ago.
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I've had this huge mental shift because as a company, we've seen a significant
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amount of success taking small clips, video clips from this podcast,
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and publishing them on Facebook and Instagram and stuff.
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And we're reaching millions of gun owners a week doing that.
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And the comments on those videos have completely changed the way I perceive gun culture.
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Because, you know, if you look at the last decade, I spend most of my time with
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people who go to gun classes, who go to gun trade shows, who are kind of part
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of, you know, what is really like the top 1% of consumers or instructors or professionals.
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And so over time, you start to kind of get the sense of like,
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well, those are the people, like everyone's like this group.
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And then you see comments on Facebook posts that just make you go,
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oh my gosh, like, no, not at all.
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Like that really is the 1% and 99% perceives things differently than I would have expected.
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And this carrying around in the chamber is an example of that where I think it's divisive.
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I think you have some people on one extreme that are sort of like,
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hey, if you don't have a round in the chamber, like you might as well not carry it all.
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I've seen that exact phrase many times.
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If you're not carrying around the chamber, you might as well leave the gun home.
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You know, almost like this, like shameful, like make you feel guilty about yourself.
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Like you're a horrible person for daring to carry with that.
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And then on the opposite extreme, you have these people are sort of like,
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hey, what's the big deal? It's safer to not have a round in the chamber.
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I'm going to have, you know, I train this way as part of my draw sequence.
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It'll be fine. I think that those people tend to be kind of in this like tunnel
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vision thing where the only thing they see is the time factor.
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And they think that that's something they can mitigate.
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So I'd like to hear your thoughts more about why you so fully support caring
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with around the chamber, which I do as well, I might add.
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Well, like you said, a lot of people fall into like very strong camps of like,
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if you're carrying a 380, might as well just shoot yourself with it because
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it's not going to be effective.
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And I've carried without a round in the chamber for a couple different,
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very specific reasons, but not as a general practice. That's a very one-off thing.
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I support carrying a round. I believe you should carry with a round in the chamber
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if a few conditions are met. if you're carrying in a holster that adequately protects the trigger.
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Otherwise, I don't think you should be carrying a, you know,
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the covering ground I've already covered, but you shouldn't be carrying a gun
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on your body that the trigger is not protected in some way.
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The risk is just too high. Okay.
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I like, I carry with around in a chamber and recommend it as a general practice
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because we, whatever picture of a gunfight you have in your head is probably
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not what's actually going to happen to you if you are forced to use your firearm in self-defense.
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So we all have this idea of the guy, like, you know, whatever your scenario
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may be, the guy at seven yards away, it's like, Hey, give me your money.
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And he's got a gun and I'm gonna have time to draw one out and rack the slide or whatever.
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But it may not be that way. It, you may not even be on your feet.
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You may have a child in your hand or a grandchild, or you may be holding onto something for support.
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You may be catching or have just caught yourself from falling.
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You may be entangled and fighting that person and not have use of two free hands.
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And when you get the gun out with no round in the chamber, have no real viable
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means by which to rack that slide.
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Um whatever your whatever you
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envision as being the gunfight that you
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are in is almost certainly not what you will actually
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be in uh so i prefer to prepare for the you know worst case scenario and then
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if it's better than that great i'm sorry it probably will be better than that
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and i'll go a step further and say odds are i'll probably never need even as
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a law enforcement a uniformed law enforcement officer i'll probably never fire
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my gun in anger it's just the statistical probability.
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But if I do, I don't want to prepare for only one or two circumstances.
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I want to be prepared for as many as I possibly can.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think
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I guess the way I kind of perceive it is this idea
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that I'm going to carry without a round in the chamber because it's safer and
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then I'll just train to chamber a round is sort of an acknowledgement that you're
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taking a shortcut because you're not willing to invest the time and energy to
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build a level of competence to be able to carry the gun the way it should be carried.
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That's kind of rude of me, but that's how I feel about it.
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Yeah. So two, two things can be true. It is objectively safer from the standpoint
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of shooting yourself upon holstering, shooting yourself on the draw.
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But yeah, it also is also an acknowledgement of skill gaps and lack of confidence
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due to those skill gaps. I don't see any very high level military law enforcement,
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firearms trainers carrying without around in the chamber.
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I mean, you may know of some, but I have yet to run across that group or individual
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who has a very high level skill and training who carries without around in the chamber.
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And, uh, I would contend that it takes, you know, if you would invest the skill
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that you invest in practicing drawing the gun and racking the slide or otherwise
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putting around it in the chamber into understanding the, you know,
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manipulation of the gun and safe holstering practices, you'd probably end up in the same place,
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but be more prepared. Yeah.
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Well said. Let's depart a little bit. Now we're going to take another little right-hand turn here.
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Uh, your book that you recently published, competent and dangerous, uh,
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It's interesting because for this, for the sake of our audience,
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for Conciled Carry, there's a chapter about guns, but there's a whole bunch
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of chapters that have nothing to do with guns.
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So, hey, there it is. There's the visual.
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So tell me, what's the approach? What was the intent? What's the objective?
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What's the mission of this book?
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So I subtitled it Master the Skills to Be a Man Among Men. And I talked about
00:27:55.359 --> 00:27:59.199
this in the introduction. I've talked about it on Rich and Mike's podcast.
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Um my intent with this was to write the book that 16 year old me would have
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absolutely loved to get i don't think i even you know knew that i wanted this
00:28:09.179 --> 00:28:12.719
when i was that age but i i would have loved it i loved reading survival manuals
00:28:12.719 --> 00:28:15.059
and first day you know boy scout handbooks and that sort of thing,
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uh and it's also the book that i kind of toyed with the idea of writing when
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i was like 26 27 like had this idea in my mid-20s like man i want to write a
00:28:24.299 --> 00:28:27.259
book of manly skills but really i didn't have any of those skills yet.
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I had been in the military, but that's all I had done.
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I had not worked in all these other things that I've done since.
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And it would have been a pretty, honestly, pretty empty book.
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It would have been nearly as long as this. So that was kind of impetus to,
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I want to, I want to write a book that's, you know, what I wish I had known at 16, 18, 20,
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to help me prepare for just being a life of being a manly, adventurous man.
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And there's only one chapter about guns. I don't know. I think that chapter
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is like 30,000 words. It's still a pretty hefty chapter.
00:29:02.657 --> 00:29:05.957
But I wanted to cover all this basic stuff first, like just being healthy.
00:29:06.077 --> 00:29:10.977
If you're going to be a prepared individual, it's not just about the beans and
00:29:10.977 --> 00:29:13.757
bullets and Band-Aids that you can stack in your closet or your basement.
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Your body is your first line of preparedness. If you begin a disaster or an
00:29:17.977 --> 00:29:21.337
emergency in a poor state of health, even if it's a gunfight, right?
00:29:21.457 --> 00:29:27.637
If your resting heart rate is 100 beats a minute, you don't have very much to
00:29:27.637 --> 00:29:31.377
work with before you're in a state of being completely unproductive because
00:29:31.377 --> 00:29:33.477
your body can't perfuse tissue.
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If you're healthy and your resting heart rate is 50 beats a minute,
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it can pretty much triple before you start to see serious degradation in skill.
00:29:41.057 --> 00:29:47.357
So your body is your ultimate preparedness item. I think being healthy is your
00:29:47.357 --> 00:29:51.177
first and most important and most ongoing step toward being prepared for any
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sort of emergency or disaster, short-term, long-term, acute, chronic, whatever.
00:29:55.597 --> 00:29:59.097
So we start with that and then build up from there. Most of it is skill.
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There's some equipment chapters, firearms.
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I really struggled with how to teach skill through the book, so I didn't really try.
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So it's mostly an equipment chapter. It's the last chapter. it's like you're
00:30:10.877 --> 00:30:17.177
okay here's your fun brain candy uh to read after you've read all this heavy you know homework stuff.
00:30:17.177 --> 00:30:21.957
Yeah yeah i'm going to pick out a couple of specific things i want you to talk
00:30:21.957 --> 00:30:26.517
about uh that are in the book and to be clear just to be transparent and uh
00:30:27.535 --> 00:30:30.615
Genuine, I guess, with the audience. I've not read the book yet.
00:30:31.495 --> 00:30:36.295
I'm planning to read the book. My copy is inbound, but I've been through,
00:30:36.295 --> 00:30:42.935
you sent me a digital copy in advance of this show, and I read a chapter front
00:30:42.935 --> 00:30:45.595
to back, and then I spot read a couple other things.
00:30:45.795 --> 00:30:50.055
I've seen the table of contents. People can go see what's in the book on your
00:30:50.055 --> 00:30:54.375
website, and it's all over the place. I mean, there's a chapter.
00:30:54.795 --> 00:30:57.155
If you want to know how to change oil in your car, you can get out from this
00:30:57.155 --> 00:31:00.115
book. If you want to start a fire in the woods with, you know,
00:31:00.575 --> 00:31:03.255
a magnifying glass or steel wool or something like that's, that's in here.
00:31:03.555 --> 00:31:08.375
So I love kind of the way you described it, almost like a, like a boy scout manual for manhood.
00:31:09.075 --> 00:31:15.755
I appreciate that, but I want to talk about a couple of specific things and
00:31:15.755 --> 00:31:18.855
you're not going to be able to dive into much depth in the time we have.
00:31:19.355 --> 00:31:22.855
But with that said, you just mentioned kind of this physical
00:31:22.855 --> 00:31:25.735
preparedness thing uh which which
00:31:25.735 --> 00:31:28.495
i think is important i want you you have a you have a chapter in here kind
00:31:28.495 --> 00:31:31.655
of a section i should say but you know edc gear basically
00:31:31.655 --> 00:31:34.335
and i'm curious to hear your thoughts on some of these things
00:31:34.335 --> 00:31:37.555
because there's some of these things like you talk about wallets knives flashlights
00:31:37.555 --> 00:31:40.795
like we talk about flashlights a lot in our community knives
00:31:40.795 --> 00:31:43.795
come up all the time a medical pepper spray
00:31:43.795 --> 00:31:46.975
but you know you talk about something as much as like as simple as like a wallet
00:31:46.975 --> 00:31:51.275
keys and a watch so i'd like to hear you kind of expand like this kind of this
00:31:51.275 --> 00:31:56.415
holistic idea of EDC like why is my wallet matter why what do you mean when
00:31:56.415 --> 00:32:00.115
you talk about keys what does that look like why a watch though I am pretty
00:32:00.115 --> 00:32:02.835
obsessed with my watch but you know tell us what you're talking about
00:32:03.562 --> 00:32:07.722
Yeah. So I've kind of, I don't know how well it came, it comes through the reader,
00:32:07.762 --> 00:32:10.842
but there's kind of this underlying thread throughout the book of everything
00:32:10.842 --> 00:32:11.982
kind of building upon itself.
00:32:12.202 --> 00:32:16.482
So, um, EDC, like knife, I talk about, you know, you should have your,
00:32:16.642 --> 00:32:19.762
you know, your same stuff in the same place every single day.
00:32:19.842 --> 00:32:22.402
You always know where it's at. You always know if something's missing, that sort of thing.
00:32:22.702 --> 00:32:25.982
Get into the knife. I'm like, uh, you know, these are, these are kind of some
00:32:25.982 --> 00:32:29.062
things you should look at in regards to knife, how it locks the blade length,
00:32:29.262 --> 00:32:33.062
all these, all these you know different factors and you
00:32:33.062 --> 00:32:35.702
know you probably want a spare knife in case
00:32:35.702 --> 00:32:38.482
you lose your knife and it might be a good idea to get like
00:32:38.482 --> 00:32:41.582
a you know if you live in a state where you can carry a
00:32:41.582 --> 00:32:44.722
reasonable length knife you might want to get a smaller version that you can
00:32:44.722 --> 00:32:47.982
carry when you travel to those restrictive states and throw that smaller version
00:32:47.982 --> 00:32:51.342
in your bug out bag so that serves multiple purposes right now if i travel to
00:32:51.342 --> 00:32:55.902
you know what x state i don't know knife laws but travel to a state i'm going
00:32:55.902 --> 00:32:59.222
to do my research ahead of time they only allow you know two and a half inch blades.
00:32:59.422 --> 00:33:01.702
I'm going to pull that mini out of my bug out bag. I'm going to put this one
00:33:01.702 --> 00:33:04.202
in my bug out bag and that's how I'm going to travel. And then when I get home,
00:33:04.362 --> 00:33:05.282
I'm going to replace them.
00:33:05.562 --> 00:33:09.622
That also is a backup, right? If I lose my knife, I just take the one out of
00:33:09.622 --> 00:33:13.402
my bug out bag. Probably not going to need my bug out bag in the time it takes to order a new knife.
00:33:14.022 --> 00:33:17.122
So it's, it's serving a purpose there. And if I have to, you know,
00:33:17.182 --> 00:33:19.982
if my house catches on fire and I have to run out in the middle of the night
00:33:19.982 --> 00:33:23.862
with nothing and all I have time to grab is my bug out bag, I've got my knife, right?
00:33:23.962 --> 00:33:27.042
So it's this, um, this holistic kind of
00:33:27.042 --> 00:33:30.142
approach of everything you do should have multiple
00:33:30.142 --> 00:33:33.162
purposes and should support your should support
00:33:33.162 --> 00:33:36.982
your main effort right i talk about this in firearms kind
00:33:36.982 --> 00:33:39.802
of carries over your first firearm should be your
00:33:39.802 --> 00:33:42.682
everyday carry handgun your next firearm your
00:33:42.682 --> 00:33:47.002
next handgun should support that right invest in a family of firearms like again
00:33:47.002 --> 00:33:51.422
mike seeklander talks about you know same magazine same holster same manual
00:33:51.422 --> 00:33:55.182
of arms that sort of thing maybe up or downgrade your capability a little bit
00:33:55.182 --> 00:34:00.602
depending on what your needs are so i start with the basic stuff uh because i you know i i,
00:34:01.411 --> 00:34:07.671
I had an idea of EDC when I was a kid, but back then there weren't EDC forums
00:34:07.671 --> 00:34:12.051
and EDC YouTube channels and EDC podcasts and all this EDC information.
00:34:12.251 --> 00:34:16.271
So I just kind of started piecing this stuff together.
00:34:16.691 --> 00:34:23.051
And again, this is the kind of thing I wish someone had handed me some guidance on back then.
00:34:24.015 --> 00:34:32.335
And kind of the haphazard way I see, I got behind a kid yesterday and he was driving so badly.
00:34:32.475 --> 00:34:34.715
I'm like, this person is trying to goad me into pulling them over.
00:34:34.835 --> 00:34:38.375
This person just wants me to pull them over so they can shoot me or something
00:34:38.375 --> 00:34:42.155
because no one would drive this bad with a marked police car behind them.
00:34:42.235 --> 00:34:44.555
But sure enough, it was some high school kid texting.
00:34:44.915 --> 00:34:48.655
I get up there like, hey, you got your driver's license on? He's like, yeah, sure.
00:34:48.855 --> 00:34:52.635
He's fishing around. He's like, I guess it looks like I don't have my wallet on me.
00:34:52.795 --> 00:34:55.475
And I'm like, what? how do you not have your wallet on you man like
00:34:55.475 --> 00:34:58.935
this like this is your your most basic preparedness
00:34:58.935 --> 00:35:01.795
item outside of your body right your wallet's going to do the most things
00:35:01.795 --> 00:35:05.155
for you of anything you can carry on your body it's identification it's
00:35:05.155 --> 00:35:07.835
cash which can get you out of a bad situation it can
00:35:07.835 --> 00:35:10.555
repair your car it can get you lodging it can get
00:35:10.555 --> 00:35:13.375
you food it can solve all these problems and you
00:35:13.375 --> 00:35:16.395
don't have your freaking wallet on you how is this even possible so
00:35:16.395 --> 00:35:19.255
um i i just wanted to start at the very
00:35:19.255 --> 00:35:22.355
very basic stuff be healthy carry basic things
00:35:22.355 --> 00:35:25.295
on you and keep them on you keys uh nothing takes me
00:35:25.295 --> 00:35:28.235
out of the moment more in a horror movie but somebody's running
00:35:28.235 --> 00:35:31.275
from the you know the maniac killer and can't
00:35:31.275 --> 00:35:33.915
find their keys and i'm like man my keys are never out of
00:35:33.915 --> 00:35:36.935
my pocket i always know where my keys are uh because
00:35:36.935 --> 00:35:39.575
they're always in my pocket uh when i take my pants off at
00:35:39.575 --> 00:35:42.575
night all my stuff stays in there i set it in the same place so
00:35:42.575 --> 00:35:45.615
um you know and i'm i'm probably
00:35:45.615 --> 00:35:48.315
on a you know one end of the spectrum of this stuff i'm a
00:35:48.315 --> 00:35:51.515
little nerdy about it but i wanted to start with those basic things
00:35:51.515 --> 00:35:54.455
rather than just jump to you know guns guns guns
00:35:54.455 --> 00:35:58.035
guns guns guns you need this gun with this optic you know you need to be carrying
00:35:58.035 --> 00:36:02.935
a glock 47 with an optic and extended magazine and a you know surefire x300
00:36:02.935 --> 00:36:07.175
to be prepared really all this other stuff is going to do a lot more for you
00:36:07.175 --> 00:36:12.095
uh in my opinion in the long run than than the gun will.
00:36:12.155 --> 00:36:14.975
The gun is for a very small narrow band of situation.
00:36:15.175 --> 00:36:18.075
I don't know if that answered your question. I probably digress.
00:36:18.815 --> 00:36:23.155
I think you went the direction that is reflective of what's in the book. I mean,
00:36:24.223 --> 00:36:26.143
I guess in my head, I was, you know, I was thinking about keys.
00:36:26.263 --> 00:36:28.043
I was like, am I supposed to be carrying a certain type of key?
00:36:28.223 --> 00:36:31.283
But I think that really what you were, what you were trying to communicate in
00:36:31.283 --> 00:36:34.563
the book based on your comments is like, no, like you should just have your keys on you.
00:36:34.983 --> 00:36:37.243
Yeah. And maybe there are some other, you know, tips in there.
00:36:37.363 --> 00:36:41.803
I imagine there are, but you'll say, you know, why is your, where, where is your wallet?
00:36:41.923 --> 00:36:45.163
Like, why is it not on you? So I think those things make a lot of sense.
00:36:46.643 --> 00:36:49.823
And I see people, you know, I see, I used to work in an office environment.
00:36:49.963 --> 00:36:52.483
People come in, lay their keys on their desk, and that's where their keys would
00:36:52.483 --> 00:36:56.003
sit all day. And it's like, man, that's a terrible practice. That's a terrible idea.
00:36:56.163 --> 00:37:00.283
Your car is probably the second biggest investment most Americans will ever
00:37:00.283 --> 00:37:01.343
make is in their vehicle.
00:37:01.923 --> 00:37:08.483
It's one of your biggest preparedness, survival, whatever assets you have.
00:37:09.123 --> 00:37:12.663
And it's useless without the key. Why would you not keep this key on you?
00:37:13.969 --> 00:37:18.209
What, so I'm curious about a watch, you know, cause the watches on your list
00:37:18.209 --> 00:37:20.429
of, uh, of kind of critical EDC things in your book.
00:37:20.629 --> 00:37:23.849
So talk about watches. Like, I mean, obviously, you know, being knowing what
00:37:23.849 --> 00:37:25.909
the time is, is valuable, but a lot of people today be like,
00:37:25.969 --> 00:37:27.289
yeah, my phone tells me what time it is.
00:37:27.629 --> 00:37:32.449
Sure. Yeah. Uh, so I relate an embarrassing little anecdote.
00:37:32.469 --> 00:37:37.689
I was in paramedic school and I had to do a clinical at an infusion clinic,
00:37:37.689 --> 00:37:41.969
which is where people come to get, you know, drugs infused over a period of time.
00:37:41.969 --> 00:37:45.289
So it's you're basically just there to start a million ib's that's
00:37:45.289 --> 00:37:49.269
part of your you know your it's really real early ones so my
00:37:49.269 --> 00:37:52.069
preceptor is a nurse and she's like hey give this
00:37:52.069 --> 00:37:56.349
person this over uh just you don't have to hang it in a bag just push it through
00:37:56.349 --> 00:38:01.449
a syringe but give it to them over like three minutes and i was like i was like
00:38:01.449 --> 00:38:04.989
how do i do you know how do i she's like just look at your watch just it's not
00:38:04.989 --> 00:38:10.269
precise i was like um i don't actually have a watch and she's like here you can borrow my watch.
00:38:10.369 --> 00:38:14.909
And I was like, dude, never again will someone have to loan me a watch to do my job.
00:38:15.049 --> 00:38:17.409
And then I got to thinking about it and all the other things,
00:38:17.709 --> 00:38:21.449
uh, medically specifically, cause that's, you know, that's where I was at that
00:38:21.449 --> 00:38:23.669
time. Use a watch to take someone's pulse.
00:38:24.089 --> 00:38:26.909
How do I know what their pulse is? If I don't know how much time has lapsed.
00:38:26.989 --> 00:38:29.469
And I, you know, I could pull my phone out for that.
00:38:29.589 --> 00:38:32.509
Now I'm opening the timer, trying to your stopwatch, trying to find different
00:38:32.509 --> 00:38:34.689
settings with gloves on that may be dirty.
00:38:35.229 --> 00:38:37.209
It's much easier just to look down at my watch.
00:38:38.032 --> 00:38:41.732
Uh, if you have the skill and know-how you can use your watch to find directions,
00:38:41.732 --> 00:38:44.732
uh, in an emergency, your phone battery may die.
00:38:44.952 --> 00:38:47.052
Uh, I lived and worked through Helene.
00:38:47.412 --> 00:38:51.332
Um, people were out of power for weeks after Helene.
00:38:51.752 --> 00:38:55.392
Um, I was, you know, I was very fortunate that wasn't the case,
00:38:55.412 --> 00:38:57.552
but your watch battery will last for years.
00:38:57.552 --> 00:39:02.652
Uh, or if you have, you know, my watch recharges on light, it will last pretty
00:39:02.652 --> 00:39:07.612
much indefinitely until the mechanical, uh, works inside the watch fail.
00:39:08.132 --> 00:39:12.052
But hopefully that's years and years and years from now. It's just a much longer live device.
00:39:12.872 --> 00:39:18.852
And I, you know, just as a gun guy, I need one more thing to nerd out on and spend money on, I guess.
00:39:18.952 --> 00:39:23.192
But I do like wearing, I don't wear a very expensive watch, but I do like wearing a watch.
00:39:23.352 --> 00:39:25.612
Also being punctual, being on time, super important.
00:39:25.932 --> 00:39:29.732
Yeah, you can pull out your phone, but it's, there's also a chapter in there
00:39:29.732 --> 00:39:34.212
on people ops about being a good communicator. That's a big theme of that is
00:39:34.212 --> 00:39:40.412
being a good communicator, an effective listener, able to elicit information from people.
00:39:40.672 --> 00:39:43.852
One of my biggest tips in that is put your cell phone away.
00:39:44.092 --> 00:39:47.312
It's a huge barrier to communication. Even if it's laying on the table,
00:39:47.392 --> 00:39:48.872
they're pretty good studies.
00:39:49.132 --> 00:39:54.012
Even if it's out and face down laying on the table, it is still a massive distraction.
00:39:54.212 --> 00:39:56.272
It takes away from your ability to listen to another person.
00:39:56.832 --> 00:40:00.472
And you can check the time without pulling a cell phone out and looking like,
00:40:00.832 --> 00:40:02.852
oh, I'm disregarding what you have to say.
00:40:03.392 --> 00:40:07.592
You're just checking the time rather than pulling out this computer in our pockets.
00:40:08.172 --> 00:40:11.532
Yeah, yeah, I like that. I'm going to take another kind of hard right turn here.
00:40:11.732 --> 00:40:11.872
Sure.
00:40:12.799 --> 00:40:18.739
Yesterday, almost exactly a day ago, about 2 o'clock in the afternoon for me,
00:40:18.959 --> 00:40:25.139
I was driving from my house to a store that I needed to visit and got stuck.
00:40:27.119 --> 00:40:34.119
The road was blocked due to a car crash. And I probably was 45 seconds behind this crash.
00:40:34.439 --> 00:40:38.299
I mean, the interior of one of the cars was filled with the smoke that came
00:40:38.299 --> 00:40:41.239
out of the airbags. That's how fresh I was on the scene.
00:40:41.859 --> 00:40:45.739
And you have a handful of people who are just, you know, life's too busy.
00:40:45.739 --> 00:40:48.099
So, you know, they're pulling U-turns and getting out of there.
00:40:48.239 --> 00:40:49.139
So they don't have to be in the way.
00:40:49.999 --> 00:40:53.019
And, but there's no cops. There's no sirens, you know, like that's,
00:40:53.079 --> 00:40:54.539
I'm pretty fresh on this incident.
00:40:55.139 --> 00:40:59.779
So I grabbed my med bag and I, and I go in there and I check and,
00:40:59.859 --> 00:41:03.179
you know, I, I, there wasn't much I could do. And these people were, were doing okay.
00:41:03.379 --> 00:41:06.839
Like, you know, basically their, their, their damages came from airbags.
00:41:06.939 --> 00:41:10.779
They had airbag and seatbelt injuries and an 80 year old dude and like a 17
00:41:10.779 --> 00:41:15.679
year old girl um and and you know ems was on site in probably about five six
00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:19.059
minutes but here's what it got me thinking a little bit about and i'd love to
00:41:19.059 --> 00:41:21.659
hear your your insights on this um
00:41:23.359 --> 00:41:34.339
And today, there's a lot of opportunities to leverage technology to help first responders help you.
00:41:34.479 --> 00:41:37.379
So, for example, like on your lock screen on your average phone,
00:41:37.499 --> 00:41:42.959
you can put medications you're on and emergency contacts and your blood type
00:41:42.959 --> 00:41:44.799
and all this kind of stuff.
00:41:45.019 --> 00:41:49.299
Some people are wearing bracelets to talk about specific conditions they have.
00:41:49.299 --> 00:41:55.319
I'm wondering as a paramedic, still part-time, and now as a law enforcement
00:41:55.319 --> 00:41:58.979
officer, how valuable or useful are those kinds of things?
00:41:59.139 --> 00:42:04.439
You come up on something, you've got an unconscious injured party, casualty, whatever.
00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:10.859
What are tips or suggestions you might have for adults and humans at large that
00:42:10.859 --> 00:42:12.719
would be useful for first responders?
00:42:13.759 --> 00:42:19.359
That's a great question. I will say crash notification saved the life of a paramedic.
00:42:19.479 --> 00:42:21.879
He's actually the supervisor for whom I'm going to work tonight.
00:42:21.899 --> 00:42:24.399
He was in a motorcycle wreck, crash notification alerted.
00:42:24.699 --> 00:42:27.799
And most of the, we get a ton of those. And usually it's because somebody's,
00:42:27.799 --> 00:42:33.319
you know, phone fell out of the car or, you know, some, it's usually not an
00:42:33.319 --> 00:42:35.819
actual crash, but that did actually save his life.
00:42:35.959 --> 00:42:41.619
He was in a horrible motorcycle wreck about maybe three years ago and probably
00:42:41.619 --> 00:42:43.659
wouldn't be alive today had it not been for crash notification.
00:42:43.659 --> 00:42:47.059
So that's a, that's a good thing. These, these are important things.
00:42:47.539 --> 00:42:50.999
Um, being able to, if you are unconscious,
00:42:51.279 --> 00:42:54.659
unresponsive, being able to find a list of importantly allergies,
00:42:54.659 --> 00:42:59.359
uh, because I am going to be very hesitant to push any medications to you if
00:42:59.359 --> 00:43:02.179
I don't know your allergies and you may need those medications very badly,
00:43:02.319 --> 00:43:04.759
but if I don't know what they are, that's, uh,
00:43:05.463 --> 00:43:09.923
I am probably, depending on the situation, end up giving them,
00:43:10.023 --> 00:43:13.603
but I feel much more confident giving you what you need early on if I know you're
00:43:13.603 --> 00:43:16.403
not allergic to it or don't have a known allergy to it.
00:43:16.643 --> 00:43:22.003
Your medications are super helpful. They really point to these are the problems this person has.
00:43:22.223 --> 00:43:26.263
If I just find somebody down behind a steering wheel, now I got to go through
00:43:26.263 --> 00:43:29.063
a whole set of differentials trying to figure out what's wrong with them.
00:43:29.063 --> 00:43:32.663
If I can look at a list on your phone and be like, this person has congestive
00:43:32.663 --> 00:43:35.263
heart failure and this, that, or the, what are diabetes?
00:43:37.323 --> 00:43:43.703
That's a big one that I deal with in the Southeastern United States. Yeah.
00:43:44.578 --> 00:43:48.578
If I know what your underlying health conditions are, that is super helpful.
00:43:48.718 --> 00:43:53.518
I don't have to try to figure it out and trial and error on the way to the hospital.
00:43:53.978 --> 00:43:58.298
Blood type is completely irrelevant. They are going to type you before they give you blood.
00:43:58.418 --> 00:44:02.338
If you got your blood type patch on the sleeves of your combat shirt,
00:44:02.478 --> 00:44:04.518
just realize that's just tactical LARPing.
00:44:04.658 --> 00:44:08.238
They will type you before you get blood because the consequences of getting
00:44:08.238 --> 00:44:10.958
blood that is not a type match are fatal.
00:44:12.458 --> 00:44:15.938
It's going to be 100% fatal. there's nothing you're going to do um it's
00:44:15.938 --> 00:44:19.358
going to be a disaster so they will type you it's very easy quick
00:44:19.358 --> 00:44:22.338
and inexpensive um so uh writing
00:44:22.338 --> 00:44:25.198
your blood type on your stuff is or your phone
00:44:25.198 --> 00:44:27.898
whatever is you can if you want doesn't hurt anything but
00:44:27.898 --> 00:44:32.538
it also doesn't help anything um yeah yeah super good information to have and
00:44:32.538 --> 00:44:36.558
a next to ken if somebody's unconscious unresponsive it's really nice to have
00:44:36.558 --> 00:44:40.838
some confidence and saying yeah like i we got in touch with next to ken and
00:44:40.838 --> 00:44:44.258
they know and they're on their way and they can you know tell the hospital staff
00:44:44.258 --> 00:44:47.818
about this person that sort of thing and.
00:44:47.818 --> 00:44:52.618
Presumably you know first responders have the training and experience to know
00:44:52.618 --> 00:44:55.778
how to pick up a random phone they find in the in the wheel well or whatever
00:44:55.778 --> 00:44:58.038
and grab it and retrieve that info
00:44:58.038 --> 00:45:02.478
And you know a couple like a couple um sad anecdotes
00:45:02.478 --> 00:45:05.398
uh two christmases ago no this is like christmas eve
00:45:05.398 --> 00:45:09.058
of 2021 had a traffic fatality uh
00:45:09.058 --> 00:45:12.378
and had to just like had no idea of
00:45:12.378 --> 00:45:15.118
who this person how to get in touch with this person's next
00:45:15.118 --> 00:45:18.318
to ken she was t-boned pulling out of a parking lot by someone who's doing like
00:45:18.318 --> 00:45:25.458
70 and a 35 um so like we're just start going through text messages and it's
00:45:25.458 --> 00:45:29.458
uh oh man it was awful it's like okay grandma see you soon like leaving the
00:45:29.458 --> 00:45:33.918
grocery store okay grandma we'll see you in a few minutes and like having to make that phone call,
00:45:34.118 --> 00:45:37.518
which I mean, making the phone call would have been bad either way,
00:45:37.658 --> 00:45:41.158
but having like, I would, I could have done without seeing that text message.
00:45:42.118 --> 00:45:43.758
And recently, well...
00:45:44.272 --> 00:45:48.232
Fairly recently, we had a gentleman at a gas station who didn't have a way to pay.
00:45:48.512 --> 00:45:51.132
So they called law enforcement and the law enforcement called EMS.
00:45:51.352 --> 00:45:55.812
And I got there on the ambulance and this guy has no ID, has no idea where he
00:45:55.812 --> 00:45:58.992
are, where he, how he got there, nothing.
00:45:59.272 --> 00:46:03.272
And it turns out he had a metabolic derangement, his, you know,
00:46:03.972 --> 00:46:07.212
just all out of whack. And he was very uptended.
00:46:07.572 --> 00:46:11.212
He had driven from like a state and a half away. um and
00:46:11.212 --> 00:46:14.192
the only the only card he had on him was his gym membership card
00:46:14.192 --> 00:46:16.852
so we called that gym and like read the
00:46:16.852 --> 00:46:19.792
number off his little barcode and they looked him up and they're like oh god this
00:46:19.792 --> 00:46:24.952
is so and so he has this condition that sometimes makes him forget who he is
00:46:24.952 --> 00:46:30.052
and you know good have altered mental status so yeah having that have that information
00:46:30.052 --> 00:46:34.992
is is very helpful and very important it's very helpful to your continued long-term
00:46:34.992 --> 00:46:37.372
health if you have some accident or medical condition.
00:46:38.752 --> 00:46:43.212
If you have seizures, you're not going to be able to talk if you go down with
00:46:43.212 --> 00:46:44.792
a seizure. So that's a good thing to wear.
00:46:45.172 --> 00:46:47.272
Medical alert bracelet, have on your phone, whatever.
00:46:48.032 --> 00:46:49.812
Side tracking down the medical rabbit hole.
00:46:51.112 --> 00:46:55.112
And the longest chapter in the book, I think, is the first aid chapter.
00:46:56.092 --> 00:47:00.692
I think we've, in the tactical community, it's good that we've recognized that
00:47:00.692 --> 00:47:04.332
tourniquets don't cause cancer and we can use tourniquets safely,
00:47:04.332 --> 00:47:07.772
but also I'm, I'm kind of becoming known as the anti-tourniquet guy,
00:47:07.792 --> 00:47:10.792
uh, because I, it's far from the only intervention you need.
00:47:10.932 --> 00:47:17.212
It's, uh, we're all carrying a tourniquet for the maybe 2% of injuries out there
00:47:17.212 --> 00:47:18.452
that actually require one.
00:47:18.652 --> 00:47:23.712
So 50 to 60% of your body is not limbs. Tourniquets only work on limbs.
00:47:24.638 --> 00:47:31.658
And 92% to 97% of injuries to your limbs can be treated without a tourniquet.
00:47:31.738 --> 00:47:36.218
So we're carrying a very small use case item and recommend that everyone carry
00:47:36.218 --> 00:47:40.718
a very small use case item to the exclusion of being able to treat the entire
00:47:40.718 --> 00:47:43.218
rest of the body for traumatic injuries.
00:47:43.918 --> 00:47:49.358
I'm not sure why we've gone like, I can't say that on the air.
00:47:49.458 --> 00:47:52.878
I'm not sure why we've gone all in with tourniquets and saying this is the medical
00:47:52.878 --> 00:47:53.978
intervention that you should carry.
00:47:53.978 --> 00:47:58.678
When the fact is it's a very, very specific medical device and it's certainly
00:47:58.678 --> 00:48:05.078
not harmless. We should not use it for any bleeding on any extremity because it does do some harm.
00:48:05.178 --> 00:48:10.598
We should do the least invasive, least harmful medical intervention that we
00:48:10.598 --> 00:48:12.818
can before we jump to something like a tourniquet.
00:48:15.221 --> 00:48:20.021
And we are starting to see, I think you're an early preacher of the,
00:48:20.021 --> 00:48:24.661
let's get off the tourniquet, high horse cult.
00:48:26.161 --> 00:48:28.541
Because I have seen more and more people kind of like, whoa,
00:48:28.701 --> 00:48:30.961
if we take this too far, you know, kind of thing.
00:48:32.541 --> 00:48:37.841
And my big objection is that I'm leaving most of my body uncovered.
00:48:37.841 --> 00:48:42.561
If, if all I'm carrying is, is a tourniquet, I don't have anything for my head.
00:48:42.841 --> 00:48:45.081
For my neck, pretty important stuff in the neck.
00:48:45.201 --> 00:48:49.601
I don't have anything for my life box, which is my, uh, thorax and abdomen,
00:48:49.841 --> 00:48:51.601
a lot of important stuff in there too.
00:48:51.761 --> 00:48:55.861
I should probably, my junctional areas, uh, even parts of my extremities where
00:48:55.861 --> 00:49:00.181
I can't get a tourniquet up to, uh, I'm much more likely to be hit in one of
00:49:00.181 --> 00:49:03.801
those than I am in one of my extremities, just because of body mass.
00:49:03.801 --> 00:49:06.961
There's more mass there to hit and it's more stable mass
00:49:06.961 --> 00:49:10.601
in a and in
00:49:10.601 --> 00:49:13.481
the in the self-defense community all we're thinking about is
00:49:13.481 --> 00:49:16.401
gunshot wounds but we could be uh injured by
00:49:16.401 --> 00:49:19.261
any number of mechanisms other than a gunshot wound
00:49:19.261 --> 00:49:21.901
that it would probably be a good idea if we are
00:49:21.901 --> 00:49:24.861
carrying medical items to be able to treat i'm going
00:49:24.861 --> 00:49:27.641
to make an awful noise on the radio pulling this out my pocket but
00:49:27.641 --> 00:49:30.521
uh i i never go
00:49:30.521 --> 00:49:33.421
on my shift without an ole's bandage in my pocket
00:49:33.421 --> 00:49:36.301
it's a pressure dressing the gauze comes
00:49:36.301 --> 00:49:39.141
out of the dressing portion to be able to pack a wound it
00:49:39.141 --> 00:49:42.101
has an occlusive dressing built in but also the package is
00:49:42.101 --> 00:49:45.361
two very large occlusive dressings and this
00:49:45.361 --> 00:49:50.401
will treat most of those extremity bleeds it's it's a little bigger and bulkier
00:49:50.401 --> 00:49:54.761
i will grant you that but it is a far more capable and versatile medical tool
00:49:54.761 --> 00:49:58.701
than a tourniquet and i'm not anti-tourniquet i carry a tourniquet on duty too
00:49:58.701 --> 00:50:02.661
for what it does nothing is better yeah like the.
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I'm sorry. Go ahead, Justin.
00:50:04.542 --> 00:50:05.282
No, go ahead. Go ahead.
00:50:05.782 --> 00:50:08.742
Like the metaphor, I was trying to think of a metaphor that might put this in
00:50:08.742 --> 00:50:12.362
context for people who are a little bit on the fringes of the medical knowledge.
00:50:12.482 --> 00:50:16.382
But like the thing that came to my mind is it's sort of like having a weapon-mounted
00:50:16.382 --> 00:50:17.462
light and no handheld light.
00:50:18.102 --> 00:50:21.202
Yeah. It's like are weapon-mounted lights useful, practical,
00:50:21.362 --> 00:50:24.862
applicable, especially, and I'm thinking outside of a law enforcement context.
00:50:25.122 --> 00:50:27.722
And the answer is sort of like, yeah, sure. I mean, there's very little downside
00:50:27.722 --> 00:50:32.182
to having a weapon-mounted light, but is it the end all for low-light scenarios?
00:50:32.182 --> 00:50:36.042
And the answer is no, a handheld light's probably, you know,
00:50:36.142 --> 00:50:41.062
a much more versatile, uh, tool, you know, for, for all the potential low light applications.
00:50:41.582 --> 00:50:44.402
Well, I think I've described it as you could carry a multi-tool,
00:50:44.522 --> 00:50:47.922
which has pliers and scissors and a knife and a file and a screw,
00:50:48.102 --> 00:50:51.482
you know, a flathead screwdriver and a Phillips screwdriver, or you could carry,
00:50:51.882 --> 00:50:56.582
uh, you know, a ratchet with a 14 millimeter socket on it.
00:50:56.582 --> 00:51:01.362
It does one thing better than a multi-tool, but a multi-tool does a lot of stuff.
00:51:01.502 --> 00:51:07.762
Yeah. Yeah, I love that. I'm a big fan of that bandage from TechMed is the one you're holding up.
00:51:07.862 --> 00:51:11.742
We stock a lot of those in the warehouse and they now have a version of it that
00:51:11.742 --> 00:51:14.862
is a hemostatic version that comes in a white package.
00:51:15.242 --> 00:51:22.322
And basically just that the gauze that's inside of there is a treated interwoven gauze with chytocent.
00:51:22.662 --> 00:51:23.642
It's chytogauze.
00:51:24.431 --> 00:51:29.571
So anyway, good stuff. Awesome. We're coming up on, you know, toward,
00:51:29.751 --> 00:51:31.431
we're kind of, you know, on the tail end of the podcast here,
00:51:31.491 --> 00:51:34.811
we're going to call it 10, 15 minutes just to kind of give you a,
00:51:34.931 --> 00:51:40.291
just check in on the time a little bit, but I wanted to swing around to physical security.
00:51:40.431 --> 00:51:42.851
You have a section of the book that talks about physical security,
00:51:42.971 --> 00:51:45.131
you know, things like putting a lock on your door, you know,
00:51:45.211 --> 00:51:46.351
some of that's very basic.
00:51:46.691 --> 00:51:51.191
And this is a place where I do think a lot of gun owners drop the ball.
00:51:51.411 --> 00:51:55.151
You know, we read a lot of DGU stories where, you know, we have home defense
00:51:55.151 --> 00:51:57.831
scenarios and things take place in backyards, front yards.
00:51:58.671 --> 00:52:02.471
In fact, I think two episodes ago in this podcast, we talked about four incidents
00:52:02.471 --> 00:52:06.371
in the previous 30 days where someone basically breached a home through the front door.
00:52:07.051 --> 00:52:12.111
So talk a little bit about like, you know, what are some of like the key points
00:52:12.111 --> 00:52:16.671
that you think that our community or my audience should like,
00:52:17.011 --> 00:52:20.131
you know, like a little inventory of, hey, go check these boxes for your home.
00:52:20.930 --> 00:52:26.730
Yeah. Before you invest in like a $3,000 Novesque AR and a $1,000 flow through
00:52:26.730 --> 00:52:31.690
can and a night vision and all these cool things, you should probably have more
00:52:31.690 --> 00:52:34.030
than a $15 quick set deadbolt on your front door.
00:52:34.170 --> 00:52:36.790
And there are very good locks out there. You can spend $1,000.
00:52:37.670 --> 00:52:42.610
You can spend $500 on a deadbolt for your door that is like nobody from the
00:52:42.610 --> 00:52:45.650
FBI down is going to surreptitiously open that lock.
00:52:45.790 --> 00:52:48.590
It's also going to be much more heavy duty, but you don't have to spend a fortune.
00:52:48.590 --> 00:52:51.550
If you spent a hundred bucks on a really high
00:52:51.550 --> 00:52:54.650
quality deadbolt for your door installed it correctly
00:52:54.650 --> 00:52:57.830
and then reinforce that door jam a little bit uh now
00:52:57.830 --> 00:53:00.850
you what we build in is time right we're only
00:53:00.850 --> 00:53:03.950
a pane of glass away from the rest of the outside world someone really wants
00:53:03.950 --> 00:53:09.370
into any house they will they will get in um and and breaking glass is probably
00:53:09.370 --> 00:53:12.650
how but i want to force someone into breaking something to get into my house
00:53:12.650 --> 00:53:18.850
because it uh is noise that i may hear it as noise that my German Shepherd dog will hear and alert me.
00:53:19.410 --> 00:53:23.610
It will set, you know, glass break sensors will go off my, on my alarm system,
00:53:23.750 --> 00:53:26.330
letting me know someone's there or kick in my door.
00:53:26.470 --> 00:53:30.270
Like you're not going to easily kick in my door with one kick, unlike most doors.
00:53:30.410 --> 00:53:35.650
So most, uh, deadbolt strike plates are held in place with three quarter inch screws.
00:53:35.870 --> 00:53:39.810
Those are not very long. And they're just in a simple piece of pine that comes
00:53:39.810 --> 00:53:41.510
in that pre hung door jam.
00:53:41.630 --> 00:53:45.710
That's all that is keeping you from the outside world is a thin little piece,
00:53:45.970 --> 00:53:48.850
a thin little strip of pine that's very soft.
00:53:49.270 --> 00:53:52.210
And it, you know, one or two kicks and that thing's going to be open.
00:53:52.330 --> 00:53:56.290
And now you're exposed to the outside world. The outside world is coming into your home.
00:53:57.047 --> 00:54:02.367
Um, I, I talk quite a bit about how to, what to look for in a better deadbolt.
00:54:02.627 --> 00:54:07.987
Um, you know, from, I nerd out a little bit on the surreptitious entry methodologies
00:54:07.987 --> 00:54:12.427
like bump keys and, and lock picking, how to get a deadbolt that offers you
00:54:12.427 --> 00:54:15.567
more protection against those things. Because I know too much.
00:54:15.687 --> 00:54:18.587
I taught that stuff for several years as a full-time job.
00:54:18.747 --> 00:54:23.887
I can't say where, but my job was teaching how to get in, how to get through locked obstacles.
00:54:24.047 --> 00:54:27.067
So I can't not think about those things. but forced entry
00:54:27.067 --> 00:54:30.047
in in a civilian context really probably what
00:54:30.047 --> 00:54:32.987
we need to worry about and that essentially boils down
00:54:32.987 --> 00:54:36.467
to a high quality deadbolt that is correctly installed and
00:54:36.467 --> 00:54:39.427
some reinforcement around around the door jam to prevent
00:54:39.427 --> 00:54:42.727
that door just from being kicked up and i think that's really really
00:54:42.727 --> 00:54:45.427
important it you know it buys you time you're laying in
00:54:45.427 --> 00:54:48.387
bed you you know you shouldn't be down to like
00:54:48.387 --> 00:54:52.047
no i don't want to lock my gun in this i i heard i believe i heard you guys
00:54:52.047 --> 00:54:55.367
talk about this recently the bedside safes like it takes me three seconds to
00:54:55.367 --> 00:54:58.167
get in there you should buy yourself probably like three or four minutes by
00:54:58.167 --> 00:55:01.887
upgrading your door and the locks that are on it so you actually hear someone
00:55:01.887 --> 00:55:05.967
coming you have all the time in the world to prepare for that yeah yeah.
00:55:07.985 --> 00:55:12.005
So I love everything you said, so I'm not going to dirty the waters by trying
00:55:12.005 --> 00:55:14.025
to just repeat all the awesome things you said.
00:55:14.345 --> 00:55:18.025
But you have some interesting sections and chapters in the book.
00:55:18.705 --> 00:55:24.385
I'm trying to decide how I would best kind of group these together with an adjective.
00:55:25.625 --> 00:55:33.565
They're kind of a throwback, not even a throwback. They are a nod to being like a gentleman.
00:55:34.605 --> 00:55:35.365
Okay, yeah.
00:55:35.365 --> 00:55:41.185
So things like how to dress professionally, how to cook a quality meal,
00:55:41.745 --> 00:55:50.025
how to give a good handshake, how to be a good conversationalist,
00:55:50.225 --> 00:55:54.785
how to be a good house guest, things like this.
00:55:55.245 --> 00:55:59.185
I'm curious. I think that in the theme and the mission of what you're trying
00:55:59.185 --> 00:56:00.465
to achieve, they make sense in here.
00:56:01.539 --> 00:56:10.179
As a father who has a son who's entering adulthood, as I was reading the outline
00:56:10.179 --> 00:56:15.359
of the book, it had me thinking, have we lost touch with some of these things generationally?
00:56:15.499 --> 00:56:20.339
And have I done a good job setting my son up for success in an adult world?
00:56:20.759 --> 00:56:23.819
Talk about some of those elements and why you include it in the book or if there's
00:56:23.819 --> 00:56:27.559
anything specific about those things you want to speak to. I'd love to hear more.
00:56:28.019 --> 00:56:33.059
Yeah, I guess we could group this all under kind of being likable, right?
00:56:33.119 --> 00:56:35.899
If you're clean, if you present well, if you're well-spoken,
00:56:36.099 --> 00:56:41.679
if you're capable of preparing a meal for someone or a group of people,
00:56:42.079 --> 00:56:45.819
actually feeding a dinner party, if you can have people over and pull that off
00:56:45.819 --> 00:56:49.059
and have them be like, man, wow, Justin had everything ready to go.
00:56:49.179 --> 00:56:52.599
It was such a great trip. um i i think you're um
00:56:52.599 --> 00:56:55.619
i i think you will live a higher quality life than
00:56:55.619 --> 00:56:58.699
if you're not capable of doing certain things and i was i relate
00:56:58.699 --> 00:57:01.639
this in in the people ops chapter i was painfully shy as
00:57:01.639 --> 00:57:04.719
a child as a teenager and even into my early 20s and
00:57:04.719 --> 00:57:07.459
this was not something that i was like this this kind
00:57:07.459 --> 00:57:11.099
of sucks this is not the life i want to live i want to have awesome experiences
00:57:11.099 --> 00:57:13.799
and have all these stories and i want to
00:57:13.799 --> 00:57:16.519
go live life to its fullest so i really need to get out
00:57:16.519 --> 00:57:19.579
of this and be able to talk to people and be able to be charming i want
00:57:19.579 --> 00:57:23.219
to you know like i want to have um my
00:57:23.219 --> 00:57:26.379
ability to to to date and uh you
00:57:26.379 --> 00:57:30.659
know to the extent that i want to and not be limited by um by you know being
00:57:30.659 --> 00:57:33.659
afraid to talk to people or not being very comfortable talking to people or
00:57:33.659 --> 00:57:36.379
being the weird dude just standing in the corner at parties because i'm you
00:57:36.379 --> 00:57:41.239
know i don't have the skill to get out there and mingle so that's kind of you
00:57:41.239 --> 00:57:46.039
know again this this very much is the book that's for 16-year-old me.
00:57:46.179 --> 00:57:49.939
I wish I'd had the book that's like, this is how you are interesting,
00:57:50.079 --> 00:57:51.799
how you build a mystique, how you get people...
00:57:52.690 --> 00:57:56.710
To talk to you, how you keep them talking is it's a spoiler alert.
00:57:56.870 --> 00:57:59.250
That's really how you make yourself appear.
00:57:59.530 --> 00:58:02.250
Interesting is just by listening to people. You don't have to say anything.
00:58:02.370 --> 00:58:05.310
You just have to give them some minimal encouragers, ask some,
00:58:05.450 --> 00:58:07.370
you know, some kind of intelligent questions.
00:58:07.470 --> 00:58:11.210
They will talk about you about themselves all night long, not know a thing about
00:58:11.210 --> 00:58:14.610
you, but to them, you are the most interesting person they've ever met.
00:58:15.330 --> 00:58:20.070
That's just the way conversation works. And, you know, I also,
00:58:20.390 --> 00:58:24.370
you know, as much as I wanted this in the eighties, uh, we were nineties at,
00:58:24.370 --> 00:58:27.890
you know, 16 or maybe as much as I didn't want it, but needed it.
00:58:28.070 --> 00:58:32.950
I feel like people need it as much or more now as we increasingly descend into
00:58:32.950 --> 00:58:38.110
walking around, staring at the, you know, the four by three screen in front of our, uh,
00:58:38.390 --> 00:58:41.210
in front of our face and living lives through Facebook and Instagram and Tik
00:58:41.210 --> 00:58:44.990
TOK and, you know, become increasingly, uh,
00:58:46.610 --> 00:58:49.830
less socially agile, less socially fluent.
00:58:50.130 --> 00:58:55.150
Uh, and this is a thing I, You know, I hear from law enforcement FTOs and instructors
00:58:55.150 --> 00:58:57.530
of kids now don't know how to talk to people.
00:58:57.690 --> 00:59:01.030
I'm sure everybody's complained about the generation that precedes them.
00:59:01.130 --> 00:59:05.690
But I think this is a thing we need more and more, just the ability to be charming,
00:59:05.890 --> 00:59:11.230
to be someone who is socially fluent, for lack of a better term.
00:59:12.650 --> 00:59:13.390
Yeah, yeah, I think.
00:59:14.683 --> 00:59:21.243
And sometimes I think that we have a detachment from the concealed carry lifestyle
00:59:21.243 --> 00:59:24.743
and the objective that drives that lifestyle.
00:59:25.723 --> 00:59:30.343
Yeah. Can I just say one thing? Go ahead. Yeah. So, and that is part of it too,
00:59:30.543 --> 00:59:33.123
right? The, the firearm, I carry firearm.
00:59:33.683 --> 00:59:37.883
Well, for a couple of reasons. One, I'm exceptionally well-trained and that's
00:59:37.883 --> 00:59:41.083
not a brag. It's just the choices I've made. I was in a special operations unit.
00:59:41.223 --> 00:59:45.303
I pay for three to five classes every year. And I, and I feel like I'm kind
00:59:45.303 --> 00:59:46.923
of an asset to my community in that way.
00:59:47.003 --> 00:59:50.243
Like I would hate to be in a situation where I could intervene and not be able to.
00:59:50.643 --> 00:59:57.703
Uh, but the, the, the real root reason is to prolong my own life in the event
00:59:57.703 --> 00:59:59.463
that violence seeks me out.
01:00:00.323 --> 01:00:05.663
And I want to make my life as vibrant and amazing as I possibly can.
01:00:05.783 --> 01:00:08.603
Uh, it's not, my life is not hiding behind the gun.
01:00:08.703 --> 01:00:11.563
I, it's not about, uh, it's not about the gun.
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The gun is a compliment to it. And I know, you know, a lot of people are like,
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I would never travel anywhere. I can't take my gun, bro.
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You're, you're missing out on the majority of the world. I, you know,
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I'm sure Greg Eliferts and Rich Brown and some other people would,
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would echo this, but, uh, man, you, you should, you should go to Europe.
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Europe is pretty amazing.
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Um, like there are a lot of things in the world out there to see that you can't
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take a gun to, but I like, that's not going to be a limiting factor to me.
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It's a compliment to my life, not a limiting limiting factor within it.
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Yeah, ditto. That's kind of exactly where I was going with my comment is that
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if the objective of carrying the gun is to prolong my life, protect my life or that of my loved ones,
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then what value is that to me if I'm not comfortable in society or I don't know
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how to be healthy and be able to go up and down stairs without breathing hard
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or interact with new people and meet new people and see new things and have new experiences?
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So I think that we sometimes fail to maintain the perspective of what this is really all about.
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And it's about living a longer, fuller, healthier, happier life. And so the gun is-
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Your odds of a defensive gun use are minuscule, but your odds of cigarettes
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strangling you to death in your sleep, if you smoke, are almost 100%.
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Like they are very, very high. So like there's a, there's some risk assessment you need to do.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well said. Well, folks, we've kind of hit our time here.
01:01:44.761 --> 01:01:45.921
We're, we're just a little over an hour.
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We've been talking, talking to Justin Carroll, the author of competent and dangerous.
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So Justin, where, if someone's like, oh my gosh, like I freaking love everything
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that Jacob and this guy have been saying, like, I want to go buy this book.
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Where do you recommend, or where would you direct people to learn more or purchase the book?
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So uh you can you can check out my blog swift
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silent deadly.com i'm not very active
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on it anymore but i still post something every now and then
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uh the book is available on amazon.com it
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is competent and dangerous master the skills to
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be a man among men it is uh it weighs three pounds
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it is a huge book 326 000 words uh
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five right at 500 600 pages it's it's a long right at 600 pages uh three years
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uh to to actually write and a lifetime to accumulate the skill and wisdom to
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to actually do that so again amazon.com competent and dangerous by justin carroll.
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I think this is a book that the way it's written, a person could jump around.
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A person could say, I want to read this chapter. Sure.
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Like you would, I mean, you've written it in a way that it's meant to build
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on itself and being like the order is not random.
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So there's going to be value to just picking it up and reading it cover to cover.
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But a person could bounce around to the topics that interest them and still gain a lot.
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Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Every chapter could be a standalone, could be read standalone
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and you never know anything was missing.
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Yeah, absolutely. Cool. Well, thank you, Justin, for your time.
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We really appreciate you being with us today.
01:03:13.719 --> 01:03:15.999
Yeah. Thank you so much for having me on. I really appreciate it.
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Yeah. So, guys, that's kind of a wrap for our convo here today with Justin.
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