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Hello and welcome to the second
episode of Season 7 of Casting
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Reflections on Black Mirror.
Well done.
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I've just about got that right,
haven't I?
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You don't want to retake it.
You're OK.
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I think you cracked it.
Well done.
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Yeah, I mean, really, it's only
season 2 of casting reflections,
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but let's let's say each season
of the actual show was it?
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Yeah, Yeah, that's fine.
How are you done?
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I'm good, thank you.
How are you?
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I'm all right after butchering
that intro again.
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I was just saying that she
before literally just as we were
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starting to record.
I wish I'd seen this episode
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again because I've just watched
it the once.
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And just to shout out now
obviously spoilers for season 7
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episode 2 Benoit of Black
Mirror.
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I found this an odd episode
overall for a number of reasons.
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What?
What should just initial views
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of this?
My initial views is and we could
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talk a little more into it, but
I really, really liked it up
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until it ended.
Like I thought the concept of it
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was great and the whole
gaslighting theme was kind of
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throughout it, and I thought
that was really clever.
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I just hated the way it ended.
I agree with you, I agree with
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you, but I also find it's a
difficult one when I was
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thinking about how we're going
to talk about this because it
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feels like a difficult one to
try to apply to real life, but
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but we'll come on to that.
We'll come on to that.
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Season 7 Episode 2 Bet Noir
directed by Toby Haynes.
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Now, he has directed a few shows
that we've also discussed in the
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past ourselves.
He directed an episode of
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Sherlock.
He did The Reich and Backfalls
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OK.
He also directed the original
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USS Callister.
He's therefore directed the
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second episode, which I've not
seen.
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He directed Demon 79 and he's
also directed a few episodes of
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Doctor Who.
Now the two, the two main
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actresses we're going to talk
about they've they haven't got
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too much in the way of a
filmography.
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And I thought our linking to DC
has, sorry, our linking to
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Marvel has ended.
But I found a really tenuous
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link.
The director has directed some
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episodes of Andor, the Disney
Plus.
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Disney owns Marvel.
So that's my link.
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I'm not, is it?
Is it a link?
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It feels a bit of a stretch.
Moving on, Right?
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It stars Sienna Kelly as Maria,
Rosie McEwan as Verity.
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Now, yeah, this debuted along
with all the other episodes on
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the 10th of April of this year.
We get straight into it.
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It starts off with Monday, which
is, I don't know, I always like
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it when you have these big, bold
things come up on the screen
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that tell you what time period
it is.
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But this is Monday and we see
Maria and her boyfriend at home.
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She's tasting some chocolates
for work.
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We find out that she works at a
chocolate company.
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She comes up with new flavours
and she's she's trying a new one
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she's just created.
It cuts to her at work and
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there's a group, A testing group
trying it.
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And the final person who comes
in is Verity, who you can tell
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Maria recognizes straight away.
They're testing the chocolate
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and a lot of the group don't
like it.
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But Verity tries it and she
likes it and she she asks
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everyone to try it again.
And on the second taste,
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suddenly the group starts to
like it.
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Verity and Maria meet in the
restrooms where it's revealed
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it's been 10 years since they
last met, which was at school.
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And Verity says she's going to
apply for an assistant role in
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Maria's team.
And Maria looks uncomfortable
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and says there is no role.
You see there's tension between
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them and you get the impression
maybe there's been some bullying
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because often that's the only
reason why someone's going to be
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really uncomfortable.
Maria goes back to her computer,
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looks on the company website and
sees there is a role going.
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We then find out in a
conversation between Maria and
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her boyfriend that Verity was
seen as a brainy computer freak
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and there was a rumour that she
performed a sex act on a
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teacher, that she was an easy
target and one girl in
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particular was quite evil
towards Verity.
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Maria is suspicious as to why
Verity, who was a brainy
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student, has been working as a
travel agent, now wants to be in
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food R&D.
So that's Monday.
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Anything in that initial bit for
you?
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I think I missed an important
part there actually, didn't I?
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About the cap?
Yeah, I was going to say that
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when she was talking to the
research group, the group only
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liked the chocolate because she
suggested they like the
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chocolate, and she was.
So she got them to try it again.
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And she was like, Oh no, it's so
much better than the second time
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round.
Trust me, trust me, trust me.
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And at that point, then they all
all loved it.
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Yeah, and I'm going to say
something here, and I don't want
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you to jump in just yet, but the
important thing I missed is you
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see that her boyfriend works at
a chicken shop and he puts a hat
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on the counter.
And it was for me, probably
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gives a bit away.
It was this place called
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Barney's.
So Tuesday comes up, Verity's
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being interviewed and to Maria's
concern, she gets a job and
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Maria asks her boss to dig
around a bit more into Verity
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because again she's saying why
someone who's so clever at
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school worked as a a travel
agent now wants to be in her
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business.
Cuts to Wednesday and Maria and
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her boss meet and he says Verity
checks all came back clean.
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He also lets her know that he is
assigned Verity to shadow Maria.
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Maria starts by making Verity
list all the ingredients for a
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new mallow treat that the
company owner, Mr. Ditta is
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interested in and is visiting
them specifically to try.
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Maria starts writing off the
list of ingredients and she is
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correcting on the spelling by
the computer.
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I think it was for a seaweed.
I I didn't write it down because
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it was a a weird word.
And her colleagues are then
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talking about a chicken shop
called Barney, sorry, called
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Bernie's, but Maria corrects him
and says no, it's Barney's.
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And then there's an argument,
you know, because as I said, I
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also saw the cap at the start of
the episode, which confirmed it
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was Barney's.
So they argue it and she googles
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it and the results do show that
it's Bernie's, not Barney's.
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So she goes home, looks at the
cap and see, sees that it
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changed from a Barney's cap to a
Bernie's.
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And I think it changed from red
to purple.
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Anyway, she's talking to her
boyfriend about this, he starts
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relating it to the Mandela
effect.
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They have an argument, she
storms out and looks at school
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photos where one of them shows
Verity in the background looking
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on.
She then decides to message
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Natalie Kane, who was the the
girl that was nasty to Verity
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and has started the rumours to
let her know about Verity coming
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back.
But on the text message, we see
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that they haven't spoken for
four years.
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Cut to Thursday, bosses visiting
the office.
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He tries the new chocolate,
loves it and starts to ask what
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the texture is.
Maria says that it's held
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together with a derivative from
the seaweed that she'd listed in
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the the ingredients.
Oh, and I forgot to say that.
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Yeah, Verity was then going to
take the ingredients and bring
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it to the chef to make.
When she says that it's a plant
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based derivative, the head chef
looks very confused but doesn't
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say anything.
Yeah, she she described the
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product as having a plant based
derivative in the cook looked
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horrified at that point and then
it was realised that it did have
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beef based gelatin in it.
They go into the boss's office
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and they're arguing and Verity
says that all Maria said was
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that it should be non pork
gelatin and Maria is adamant
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that she wrote carrageenan.
They're arguing over this.
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He asked to see the e-mail that
Maria sent, but again, it says
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non pork gelatin, whereas we
know we saw earlier Maria write
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the word carrageenan.
She's forced to apologise and
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later at home, she says to her
boyfriend that Verity must have
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done something as she was always
a computer genius.
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Natalie messages her back with a
friend from school, but it's
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actually a message from her
husband who informs her that
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Natalie had died a few days ago.
Maria calls her back.
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Now whilst this isn't a funny
bit in terms of because she's
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just found out someone has died,
the the boyfriend was arguing
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for her not to call him because
he's going to be grieving.
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And you can see the boyfriend
cringing in the background,
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can't you, when she calls him up
to ask about him.
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So we see him cringing in the
background and and we find out
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the friend took her own life
after becoming increasingly
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paranoid.
Skip to Friday, Maria goes to
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work and only Verity is there
and she asks if she was sitting
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out the team meeting that was
going on.
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They have an open conversation
about their childhood and Verity
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then drinks all of their
colleagues milk chucking it on
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the floor and then blames Maria.
Now in a lead up to this, on
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previous days there was a
colleague in the office was
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constantly complaining that her
milk was being drunk or was
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being used up.
Almond.
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Milk.
Yeah, Yeah, Almond milk.
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That's right.
And yes.
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So Verity drinks this milk,
chucks it on the floor, blames
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Maria.
When the the rest of the team
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come in, you know, Maria starts
saying that Verity's drunk it,
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Verity's drunk it, Verity blames
her.
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So they go to check the CCTV
footage and it shows Maria
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getting quite aggressive,
grabbing the milk and drinking
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it.
She says it couldn't be her as
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she has a nut allergy.
When she says nut allergy, the
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boss and the security guard
don't recognize these words.
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So when she googles nut allergy,
it comes up and it says did you
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mean not allergy?
So now those the phrase nut
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allergy means nothing.
Right at that point she notices
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a pendant on Verity that Verity
is fondling and she believes
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that it's that that's changing
the facts.
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She lunges to stop it.
They're to take it, but it's
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stopped and fired.
Now this is where we get to the
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bit you were saying that night.
Just just just just before that,
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just to kind of some of those
points.
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So when every time that reality
is changed, well, what she sees
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as reality is being changed.
Verity makes a statement just
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before which will sound when I
watched it first time round, I
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don't don't know if you felt the
same, but always it felt odd
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what she was saying when she was
saying it.
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But when you watch it second
time round, it kind of makes
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sense.
So when it comes to the nut
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allergy piece that the second
before that she goes, no, such
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fingers are nut allergy.
And obviously you kind of like
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your, your ears pick up a point
because that's nonsense.
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And then just before the CCTV
footage was shown, she was like,
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it was her, it wasn't me.
And and again, it was like a
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useless kind of you didn't need
to say that out loud.
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First time around it, it made me
feel a bit weird when she said
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it because it just it was out of
place.
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But then obviously as the story
goes on, you understand why
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she's saying it.
Yeah, and I wish I'd seen it a
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second time.
So I think a lot of it would
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make sense.
And and I, I guess the one thing
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I haven't stressed is that
Maria, as the days have gone on,
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has become increasing
increasingly more.
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I guess we would say the word
paranoid because as we said,
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she, she was convinced her
boyfriend's, that chicken shop
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was called Barney's and then it
was Bernie's.
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The incident where she knows she
emailed a specific ingredient to
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Verity and when they've looked
at the e-mail, that word wasn't
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there.
I mean, the big one is obviously
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the changing of the, the CCTV
from Verity because they were
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getting on.
I think they'd reconciled from
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Verity drinking the milk and
throwing it on the floor to
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Maria drinking the milk and
throwing it on the floor.
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So all this is increasingly
making Maria think she's going
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crazy, doesn't she?
So that night she breaks into
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Verity's home and she discovers
a massive server room and a box
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of pendants that are identical
to the one Verity was wearing.
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When Verity discovers Maria
hiding under the bed, because
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obviously Maria sees Verity
still there, she hides under the
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bed.
Verity explains that after
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finishing school, she became an
expert programmer.
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She created a quantum computer
in her home that can shift her
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to any timeline she desires
through real time data she
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gathered using the pendant as
the remote, essentially meaning
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she could do whatever she wants.
She could change anything to her
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will.
She's been changing the
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timelines around Maria in an
attempt to drive her to suicide.
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Verity reveals she did the same
thing to Natalie as revenge for
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the rumour that Maria started.
Maria tries to reason with her,
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but Verity reveals she has tried
every path in life, with none
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being as satisfying as revenge.
Maria attempts to attack Verity,
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but Verity alters reality to
have armed police arrive,
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placing a knife in Maria's hand.
While restrained, Maria grabs an
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officer's gun and shoots Verity
in the face.
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She quickly grabs A pendant,
uses Verity's fingerprint to
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shift to a timeline where it
works for her, and after making
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the police officers believe that
Verity was the attacker, she
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shifts reality several times to
her own benefit.
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Now one thing that was said
earlier on when she finds out
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that Verity's changing timeline,
doesn't Verity say at one point
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I even made myself Empress of
the Universe, didn't she?
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And it wasn't as fun as revenge.
So the very final scene is
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Verity, sorry, is Maria making
herself the Empress of the
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Universe.
So that's a really, really quick
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synopsis, but I think this
episode probably has got quite a
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quick summary.
So ultimately woman makes
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another woman go crazy by
changing timelines around her to
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make her that to doubt
everything she currently
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believes, right?
Yeah, that's essentially it.
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So what what?
What were your kind of initial
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thoughts?
So when you finished the
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episode, how did you feel?
Exactly like you, I love the
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idea of it.
I love the premise.
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I just saw the ending.
I I don't know what I thought
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about the ending.
I know what he was trying to do,
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but.
Do do you think so?
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We've discussed many black bear
episodes in the past where we've
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said I think it would have been
better if we ended it like this.
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On this one, I was disappointed
with the ending and I couldn't
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think how I could end it.
So it was satisfactory.
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Do you think there's an
alternative way you could?
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Because because in my mind, I
had such a good like first 95%
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and like, this episode is great.
And then she goes from being
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bullied and paranoid to Empress
of the Universe in the space of
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about 40 seconds.
And I'm like, and when that
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episode finishes, it's like, oh
for goodness sake, like that's,
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that was ridiculous.
It's an interesting 1, isn't it?
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Because one thing I didn't like
is because we do find out that
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Maria and that the other friend
were bullies.
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I mean, I think we find out it
was actually Maria blamed the
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other woman, that Natalie is a
person who started the rumour
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about the sex act on the
teacher.
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I think we find out it was
Maria, don't we?
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So the bully, the bully one at
the end of it, that's one thing
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I don't like.
But yeah, it was just that that
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whole if they'd have maybe
showed it over like a like a do
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it over a few minutes and
showing her getting increasingly
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crazy with power.
And that's then when she made
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herself the Empress of the
universe.
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But she just goes from having a
struggle finding out about this
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quantum computer, which she
doesn't even question, right.
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It's just, oh, you've created a
quantum computer that can change
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time to them making herself
that.
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I mean maybe I think I wonder if
a better ending and maybe more
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fitting with Black Mirror is
that Verity then ultimately
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erases Maria from everyone's
memories and she becomes Maria.
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Yeah, I think what would have
been quite good is if I'd given
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Verity a bit more of a back
story.
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So you felt sorry for her
character to start with.
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And then you'd kind of get to
the episode end and I would
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almost have like, like you said,
the bully one.
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At the end of the day, you you
kind of find that out later on.
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But always if you felt sorry for
Verity and then she kind of won,
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you know, not to the point where
she committed suicide, but in a,
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in a scenario where, you know,
Maria's left unhappy, I think
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that might have been a better
ending.
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Or that they kept changing
timelines, that they're having a
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battle with these pendants and
they changed timelines so much
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so it just the world rips apart
or something.
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I I.
Also think they could have drawn
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not drawn out.
That's probably the wrong word,
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but they could have really
explored that, you know, the
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little things making you go
crazy.
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I don't think they did that long
enough because I think it
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because when they did the CCTV,
because all that other stuff on
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there, you would question
yourself, wouldn't you?
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You would like, oh, maybe I
didn't send that e-mail if the
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evidence is here, maybe I've
completely remembered that wrong
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or maybe I didn't write that
ingredient down.
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Maybe I just remembered that
wrong.
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All that stuff is kind of
believable.
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What you would doubt yourself
the second the CCTV got
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involved.
At that point it's like
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blatantly obvious.
It's, it's almost like we've
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rushed the last few minutes,
isn't it?
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That's a really good point
because everything up till then
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maybe apart from the the nut
allergy, I still find that funny
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where they said, do you mean nut
allergy?
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Yeah, maybe if they made it more
of a small, small steps, small
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steps, maybe do it over a couple
of weeks.
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And it's just these little
things because we've all done
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that.
Like you said, you know, you
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think someone has said something
to you.
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When you say you go back to
them, they say, no, I didn't say
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that.
Or you think you've read
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something, but you've
misinterpreted it.
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Misinterpreted it.
So basically you're you're
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advocating her drawing out the
poor woman's torture a little
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bit more, aren't you?
Yeah, but with the caveat.
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But we feel sorry for her more
by seeing more of her back story
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because she just kind of, it
almost introduces herself as a
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bully and we don't understand
why.
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I'd like to hear a back story.
It's like I said, really, really
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really good idea.
The other thing I found weird
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about it though, is, and I know
you shouldn't think about things
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like this in a, in a show like
Black Mirror, but you know, this
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woman, OK, she was a computer
nerd, but she's created a
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quantum computer that can shift
timelines.
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You know, it's not even said
that that she's worked for a
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company or or something.
It's just.
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That or she's stolen it or been
given it.
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It's yeah, yeah, it's a bit.
That bit's a bit silly, isn't
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it?
I said to you not to jump in at
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the start, but the whole thing
about the chicken shop, do you
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want to say talk about that?
Yeah.
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So essentially Netflix, I don't,
I mean, so I don't think Black
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Mirror have done this before.
Netflix had done this before,
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but they've released 2 alternate
episodes, haven't they?
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Whereby in one episode it
started off being Bernie's and
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turned out to be Barney's with
the change reality and in
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another episode it did it the
other way round so it was
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Barney's and became Bernie's.
Now when I we were texting about
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this we saw different versions.
However, when I re watched it I
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had the version that you just
explained.
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Now I'm beginning to question
myself whether I had the the
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version the other the other way
right way round in the first
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place.
But that's what I think this
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does good.
And that's what I will give this
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episode credit for doing.
So yeah, there were two
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versions.
I had the Barneys that turned
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into Bernie's, and then I'll
message you.
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You said you had the Bernie's
that turned into Barneys.
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This time round when I'm
watching it, I heard her say
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it's definitely Barney's because
it's like a barn where you keep
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animals.
And now I wish I'd known what
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she said in the other version,
because she would have said
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something.
She would have said something
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different.
This is what I was going to say.
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So obviously this whole episode
is on playing on gaslighting and
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the Mandela Effect, right?
And imagine if you and I, we'd
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come on and we didn't know about
that.
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And I'm not saying Barney's turn
into Bernie's.
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You're probably sitting there.
You would either one or two
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things if you didn't want to say
anything because you'd think,
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did you get it wrong?
I would have corrected you.
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Well, I.
Was going to say, yeah, knowing
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you, you'd be like, daddy,
you're feeling all right.
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You know, it was Bernie's into,
into Barneys.
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Yeah, I I just think that that
was a clever little thing.
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I think at the start the, the
problem is in this day and age
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with the Internet, these things
come out really quickly.
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But yeah, Can you imagine if you
or even if you you weren't doing
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this episode and you just
decided to watch it again, would
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you be questioning yourself?
I don't.
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I don't think I would have
picked up on it.
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I I feel like we concentrate on
these episodes because we're
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we're going to talk to them and
we look out for these details.
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I'm not convinced.
If I was just a casual viewer, I
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would have noticed it.
It's not the sort of detail you
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would talk about either, right?
It's not like, you know, you
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wouldn't go and analyse it to
the detail that we've just done
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on this this podcast.
We wouldn't talk about that
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scene.
I wonder if you watched it
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quickly in succession though,
like if you've had a few weeks
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between, like I might not watch
it for another few months now so
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I won't remember.
But if you were to watch it,
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like sometimes I will watch his
episode twice back-to-back,
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1:00, so I can add some notes
and two, just to enjoy it.
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Yeah, indeed.
Now if they'd done two versions
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where the two actresses were
completely reversed.
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Yeah, that would.
That would get us that.
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I think I'd notice that like
that that.
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'D be brilliant.
Imagine doing a imagine doing a
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second watch of that and you're
like, what?
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You would be, I think you'd be,
you would question your sanity,
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wouldn't you?
And then you would look it up on
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the Internet and you'd go, oh
that, that's quite clever.
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That's actually class.
That would be the far better
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option.
Yeah, that'd be the far better
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option.
The whole thing.
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This got me thinking.
So you know, you know the
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Mandela Effect where people
remember something to be
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different to what it is or they
find something out and they
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they're sure their memory tells
them it was something different.
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Now long time listeners of this
show knows that, knows that I
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did an episode on the Mandela
Effect.
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And The thing is, you know,
we've we've discussed like
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things are going streaming,
there's more and more streaming
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on the streaming.
People are changing things and
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they don't have to tell people
like Stranger Things in the last
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series that came out, directors
changed some of the effects in
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the some of the episodes, but
didn't tell people what or
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where.
They just did it.
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They were, I think they weren't
happy.
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So again, if you're watching
that and then you rewatch it and
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you notice something's
different, you're going to think
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that's a Mandela Effect, right?
And there was that show on
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Apple.
I don't know if you watched it.
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Is it with that Rob Mcaleny in
it?
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So it's called Mythic Quest.
The show got cancelled after the
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last season so they weren't
happy with the ending so they
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redone the last episode and have
uploaded it and took away the
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original ending.
So again, are we in an age now
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where these things are happening
and we are going to start
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questioning ourselves?
But because streaming can change
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at any point, we're starting to
doubt our our minds.
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Before I come on, I did try and
think there was a way that I
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could drop things on into this
conversation to, to question
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your sanity and see if I could
kind of catch you out on I, I, I
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couldn't think of one in time
to, to do it.
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Oh, I've don't worry.
I think my, my, my brain's so
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tired tonight.
I think already some of the the
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mistakes I've made during this
is is has been fine.
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I mean, I like the episode in a
whole because I said guests like
449
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Mandela Effect streaming fake
news and Big Brother.
450
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:05,320
That sort of thing has always
been something that we as people
451
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,960
have been fascinated.
We've nothing faint news in the
452
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,240
last few years since COVID
especially has become massive,
453
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,120
right?
But it's you see what I'm saying
454
00:24:14,120 --> 00:24:16,880
that it's a hard episode, I
think to try to apply to real
455
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,640
life because it would then mean
we'd need to have one of these
456
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:21,760
clickers.
So if you had one of these
457
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,040
pendants, I bet you'd have a
field day, right?
458
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,920
Yeah, what would you do with it?
What wouldn't you do with it?
459
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,960
I think.
I guess I guess if if any if the
460
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,760
scope wasn't everything then.
This is a thing.
461
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,400
It's a proper cheat code, isn't
it?
462
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,320
Well, other than her untimely
death, there was no
463
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:43,240
ramifications for Verity
constantly using it, was there?
464
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,200
Yeah, yeah, agree.
No penalty I is I guess is what
465
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,680
I mean.
And do you think she aged?
466
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,000
Like, do you think she was just
living one life or do you think
467
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,560
she kept on going back to do it
again?
468
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,280
That bit wasn't clear, was it?
No, I got the impression it was
469
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,160
just one life but she was just
able.
470
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,960
And she didn't undo some of the
stuff that she said.
471
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,880
So she also like, got her speak
in Chinese, didn't she?
472
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,040
And then she didn't undo the
Chinese.
473
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:09,760
She just suddenly started
speaking English again.
474
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,880
Oh, and I guess the important
thing is to say that I think
475
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,440
what a secondary watch will do
is as you pointed out in the
476
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,840
focus group where she got people
to to change their minds about
477
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,360
the chocolate is you can see
when she's she's touching that
478
00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:28,040
pendant is ultimately when she's
activating.
479
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:30,640
Yeah.
And and then you can see when
480
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,120
she's influencing.
So on the on the Barney's thing,
481
00:25:34,120 --> 00:25:36,680
she made a slide comment saying
actually I think it was
482
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,400
Barney's.
And you don't notice that on the
483
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,960
on the 1st watch.
The second watch it's definitely
484
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,480
worth a go to to notice when
she's influencing the room.
485
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,560
I guess, yeah, If you have that
power, it's it's a small little
486
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:48,880
things.
Like you said, you could just
487
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,400
change anything you have.
You have a bad conversation at
488
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:52,960
work, you just change it and you
say no.
489
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:54,920
That project I had to do was
perfect.
490
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,560
Do you not find though, maybe
going off onto a bit of a
491
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,520
tangent here with the whole
gaslighting thing, People don't
492
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,560
have pendants, but I feel like
this happens a bit in today's
493
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,360
world in, in the because we both
work in office environments.
494
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,480
Do you not feel it happens
sometimes on the small scale
495
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,400
kind of gaslight?
It's like, well, no, you said
496
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,000
this and I said this and so and
so said this.
497
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:20,120
And there's always this
influence in by stretching the
498
00:26:20,120 --> 00:26:22,480
truth a little bit, by
exaggerating just that little
499
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,040
bit to to kind of change the
tone or the message.
500
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,880
Yeah, especially if something
isn't written down, you know,
501
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:31,800
anyone can say I told you to do
this.
502
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,960
And especially if it's a
position of power to somebody
503
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,360
under their power, then that
person is probably more likely
504
00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:43,040
to doubt themselves, right, The
person who who's been spoken to.
505
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,560
So, yeah, I think people always
have been, whether it's to cover
506
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:51,480
up their own mistake maybe or,
or just because they generally
507
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,400
believe it.
Yeah, you must have little
508
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,560
instances of this happen all the
time, but yeah, I I think you'd
509
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:01,440
have fun with it.
I think I was going to say,
510
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,440
think of all the football
results we could change.
511
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,680
Football results but but also as
well because again we, we both
512
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,160
work in IT and we both work in
kind of support service
513
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:15,120
operational areas.
We could just wipe out any any
514
00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:16,880
bad issue that we encountered.
Right.
515
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,360
Yeah, Yeah, that's not really an
issue.
516
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,760
It wasn't me.
I just felt the ending was very
517
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,200
rushed.
Like I said, that Maria quickly
518
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,960
got a plan together and yeah,
just that Empress of the
519
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,720
Universe thing felt just so
silly and forced.
520
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,880
And I thought the other thing
was when she shot that Verity.
521
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,040
That was quite gruesome as well,
wasn't it?
522
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:38,520
It was.
Yes, it was, wasn't it?
523
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,360
It was a bit.
It was a bit of a shock.
524
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,480
Came out of the blue, didn't it?
It was.
525
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,480
It was quite it was quite gory,
quite graphic.
526
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,480
See, I don't think they didn't.
I didn't need to kill her off, I
527
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,920
just think like seeing her
suffer in a prison cell or
528
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:56,240
something along those lines
would have been OK as an end
529
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:57,320
then.
I just don't think we needed a
530
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,760
death in there.
Yeah, they could have arrested
531
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,320
her, put her in a prison.
Then you can find out that maybe
532
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,000
she had or, or put her in the
back of a police van and you
533
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,160
find out she's got one of those
pendants hidden in a shoe or
534
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:09,360
something.
Yeah.
535
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,840
Yeah, agreed.
And like they, they made a point
536
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,400
of saying like the pendants are
like programmed by fingerprint
537
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,960
or whatever it was.
Yeah, and Ravine, 5 seconds,
538
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,000
that was undone.
So it's like, why?
539
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,480
Why even bother putting the
limitation on in the 1st place
540
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,400
like and?
I also like the fact that in a
541
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,600
bedroom, she had a box with
about 15 of them or something,
542
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,440
wasn't it?
It was like a whole jewelry box
543
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,360
full of them.
It's like how many of you lost
544
00:28:35,360 --> 00:28:38,080
in the past?
Yeah, exactly.
545
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,000
What she could have, what she
could have done though, is just
546
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,440
wiped out the bullying thing
from school.
547
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,480
Like she didn't need to get
revenge.
548
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,360
She didn't.
She didn't need to get revenge.
549
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,520
She could have just gone into a
universe where that just didn't
550
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,800
happen.
Quite, quite a short episode,
551
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,920
but yeah.
Yeah, true, true.
552
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:55,000
You know what?
Yeah.
553
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,280
You see that is again Dan you've
you can't really sensible
554
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,640
suggestion.
I think too much about these
555
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,760
things.
I mean, there was a few things I
556
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,800
was going to point out.
There was a few Easter eggs in
557
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,680
there.
So I I don't think I picked up
558
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,240
any of these.
So did did you pick up any that
559
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:13,280
you want to shower?
I didn't.
560
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,080
I didn't pick up any Easter
eggs.
561
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,560
I thought there might have been
some Easter eggs in the name of
562
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,160
the company, the name of the
brand, but I don't recall there
563
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,120
being but.
No, so the only thing I think
564
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,320
with the brand was that it was
referenced in the previous
565
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,280
episode.
Common people.
566
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,640
And I haven't checked these, but
you know, I've got no ways doubt
567
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,600
it.
But Barney's Chicken is where
568
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,040
Kenny worked in season 3
episodes Shut Up and Dance.
569
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,880
OK.
A Verity's previous work
570
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,480
experience on a LinkedIn profile
includes Wayhaven Travel, and
571
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,240
that's a hotel chain featured in
Shutu and Dance.
572
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:51,040
Outside the data testing lab is
a Gemini Orbits poster, which is
573
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,320
a callback to the doomed
spacecraft.
574
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:58,120
And beyond the sea, the data
building is situated opposite a
575
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:02,040
Tuckersoft billboard and that's
the maker of the game that was
576
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,160
the source of Black Mirror Banda
Snatch.
577
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,800
When Maria's boyfriend plays
with AVR, the creatures of the
578
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,400
video gaming placing which is a
later episode can be heard.
579
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,920
The organic milk is the same
brand as a chocolate milk Robert
580
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,560
Daly drinks in USS Callister and
it makes an appearance in the
581
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,520
second one.
And the company Maria and Verity
582
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,400
worked for was did tell the
maker of honey hugs referenced
583
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,360
in common people.
Now Bandersnatch mentioned
584
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,120
there.
I sent you something the other
585
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:36,760
day and again talk not quite on
the Mandela Effect thing, but
586
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,720
did you see that Netflix of now?
I think they've removed that
587
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,480
episode from Netflix.
No, I, I, I saw your news
588
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:43,600
article.
It said they weren't going to
589
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:44,760
remove it.
I didn't never done it yet.
590
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,000
Well, and the reason being is
because that and another show
591
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,400
that one, that one was
interactive so you could make
592
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,400
choices and apparently Netflix
are updating their software,
593
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,280
which means that wouldn't work
anymore.
594
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,480
So again, imagine you sit down
and you say I want to watch
595
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:00,560
Banda Snatch.
It's not there.
596
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,600
You're going to start.
Did it even exist?
597
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,600
I was thinking why couldn't they
release it as just a stand alone
598
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,680
film?
But yeah, if you if if those of
599
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,280
you listening have done it,
you'll know why.
600
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:15,000
But yeah, I just think it's
funny with this technology now
601
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,720
that we are having to remove
episodes because the updates to
602
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,120
the technology can't run it.
Yeah, I mean, this was a fairly
603
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:26,760
quick episode, but like I said,
it's I think the subject was not
604
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,920
as in depth as as some of the
others, but I guess it was a fun
605
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,720
episode on a fun subject.
What would you rate it?
606
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,400
Just before you rate it, one
thing I was going to say is I
607
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,640
thought the actresses, both the
actresses are really, really
608
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,720
good.
I thought they they played those
609
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,080
parts well.
She got more and more frantic
610
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,640
and paranoid, and the other one
got a little bit more psychotic
611
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,800
as the story went on.
Quite good.
612
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,880
Yeah, really good point that
Verity starts off as quite as
613
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,960
shy, like she's a new person in
the company's shy, like the harm
614
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:58,720
innocent.
You know, I'm just trying to get
615
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,000
a job.
And then like he said, when she
616
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,880
reveals herself with the milk
bit at the end, she she just
617
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,720
totally changes.
Doesn't she just switched?
618
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:13,680
Yeah, I'm going to give this one
a six because I just can't hide
619
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,240
from how disappointed I was at
the end.
620
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,360
I'm annoyed because I'm going to
give it 6 as well.
621
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,400
Really.
Yeah, Yeah.
622
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,440
Well, I'm annoyed because you've
got the same score as me.
623
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,200
Usually you score a little bit
higher than me, so I was open to
624
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:28,760
go.
Oh, no, I'm going to be tougher
625
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,360
than you.
Yeah, again, I like the.
626
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:37,280
I like the subject.
I thought it was good the ending
627
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,640
yeah just just let it down.
It it, it ruined what?
628
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,600
Well, not ruined, but it it let
down what was a really big build
629
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,200
up.
And yeah, like I said, just
630
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,800
about that she you go into a
house which had these massive
631
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:52,840
quantum computers, this pendant.
Thing is, it was, what was it, a
632
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,400
47 minute episode?
47 minutes or something like
633
00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:01,320
that. 51. 51 so some Black
Mirror episodes go on for like
634
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,600
an hour and a half, so it felt
like they had a bit more time to
635
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,840
play with.
So I think they didn't have to
636
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,880
rush it.
Obviously, obviously people can
637
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,160
tell.
I'm really frustrated with the
638
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,920
way it ended, but just just felt
like there's opportunity and
639
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,600
they've swandered it.
Yeah, like you said, you know
640
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,400
where because I just had a look
ahead.
641
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,840
So the next episode is 78
minutes.
642
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,080
So they they've got the ability
to, as you say, have a bit of
643
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:28,120
time.
But, you know, it's there are
644
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:32,000
probably some people out there
who, who, who think where were
645
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,680
miserable and they loved the
endings.
646
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:38,240
Yeah, maybe, probably right.
Maybe they maybe they saw a
647
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,760
completely different ending.
Maybe if you did, let us know
648
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,840
and I might put out a second,
second episode of this.
649
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,160
I might update this a week after
I put this out just to correct
650
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:52,360
some things, but anything else
about this one you wanted to
651
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,480
talk about?
No, I think, I think we've
652
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,720
covered it all.
I guess the one thing I probably
653
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,680
should ask, did this feel like a
Black Mirror episode to you?
654
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,040
Did it feel like a Black
episode?
655
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,320
It's funny you say that because
at some points while watching
656
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,600
it, I did feel like this was
more stand alone and siloed from
657
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,679
the rest of them.
And I can't tell you why I felt
658
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:13,639
that.
So it's funny that you've asked
659
00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:14,880
me that, because I did feel
that.
660
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,679
I'm the same it it.
It could almost be up until the
661
00:34:18,679 --> 00:34:21,560
last five minutes, but it feels
like it could almost be just
662
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,280
some sort of psychological
drama.
663
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,440
It's I, I think the reason why I
ask that is because a lot of the
664
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,679
Black Mirror episodes tend to
have either that massive impact
665
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:35,840
of technology right throughout
it, or it's quite sinister at
666
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,920
the start, isn't it?
There's that, that overtone.
667
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,800
I do wonder, and maybe it's not
linked to that at all, but that
668
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,400
you mentioned it about the
dramatic announcement of what
669
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,239
day it was.
I don't know if that had like
670
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:52,639
some sort of impact on my
viewing of it in in some sort of
671
00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:55,199
weird way that made it seemed
different to Black Mirror.
672
00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:57,760
I don't know.
Maybe, and the only reason I say
673
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,960
that is because it's very
unusual, because you didn't
674
00:34:59,960 --> 00:35:03,040
really need to know that it was
Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday.
675
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Completely unimportant, wasn't
it?
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Apart from the fact that
everything unravelled within a
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few days.
Yeah, like Russ, literally what
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they were trying to establish.
Yeah, but it comes up full
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screen, doesn't it?
It's almost like a jump scare,
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you know, It's it's.
Jarring, isn't it?
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It's not like it's gentle.
It was quite jarring when they
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announced what day it was.
Maybe that's what work feels
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like.
Maybe that's the impact they
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were trying to introduce it.
This is what a day at work feels
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like.
We're going to jar you into
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business.
OK, well, you had a you had a
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high scoring one last week.
We've gone to six, six.
688
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I think it just means it's a
solid episode, right?
689
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It's not.
It's not terrible, but.
690
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Yeah, solid could be better.
Yeah.
691
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,720
And just actually one more thing
for me, what you said about the
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two leads.
Yeah, because when I was looking
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them up, they haven't actually
done that much.
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So it's like they're fairly.
It's not like they've got a
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massive catalog.
I think I said this at the
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start.
So you know, for how well they
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portrayed those two roles and
being ultimately the two main
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roles, right, it was only the
the boss and the boyfriend, I
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think that had the next biggest
roles, right?
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So.
Yeah, I don't think you did
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mention it at the start.
OK.
702
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No, I'm, I'm joking.
I was going there.
703
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You go well, so I I, I couldn't
let my mum.
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You got it in, you got me.
You got anything else should be
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done before we go other than
having having fun at my expense
706
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again?
No, I think I'm done now.
707
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I could do it offline as well.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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We will see you next time for
another episode of Casting
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Reflections on Black Mirror,
where it will be Season 7,
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Episode 3, Hotel Reverie 2334.
If I want your opinion, I will
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give it to you.
00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:19,560
Hello and welcome to the second
episode of Season 7 of Casting
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Reflections on Black Mirror.
Well done.
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I've just about got that right,
haven't I?
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You don't want to retake it.
You're OK.
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I think you cracked it.
Well done.
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Yeah, I mean, really, it's only
season 2 of casting reflections,
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but let's let's say each season
of the actual show was it?
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Yeah, Yeah, that's fine.
How are you done?
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I'm good, thank you.
How are you?
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I'm all right after butchering
that intro again.
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I was just saying that she
before literally just as we were
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starting to record.
I wish I'd seen this episode
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again because I've just watched
it the once.
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And just to shout out now
obviously spoilers for season 7
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episode 2 Benoit of Black
Mirror.
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I found this an odd episode
overall for a number of reasons.
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What?
What should just initial views
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of this?
My initial views is and we could
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talk a little more into it, but
I really, really liked it up
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until it ended.
Like I thought the concept of it
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was great and the whole
gaslighting theme was kind of
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throughout it, and I thought
that was really clever.
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I just hated the way it ended.
I agree with you, I agree with
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you, but I also find it's a
difficult one when I was
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thinking about how we're going
to talk about this because it
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feels like a difficult one to
try to apply to real life, but
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but we'll come on to that.
We'll come on to that.
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Season 7 Episode 2 Bet Noir
directed by Toby Haynes.
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Now, he has directed a few shows
that we've also discussed in the
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past ourselves.
He directed an episode of
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Sherlock.
He did The Reich and Backfalls
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OK.
He also directed the original
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USS Callister.
He's therefore directed the
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second episode, which I've not
seen.
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He directed Demon 79 and he's
also directed a few episodes of
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Doctor Who.
Now the two, the two main
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actresses we're going to talk
about they've they haven't got
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too much in the way of a
filmography.
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And I thought our linking to DC
has, sorry, our linking to
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Marvel has ended.
But I found a really tenuous
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link.
The director has directed some
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episodes of Andor, the Disney
Plus.
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Disney owns Marvel.
So that's my link.
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I'm not, is it?
Is it a link?
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It feels a bit of a stretch.
Moving on, Right?
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It stars Sienna Kelly as Maria,
Rosie McEwan as Verity.
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Now, yeah, this debuted along
with all the other episodes on
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the 10th of April of this year.
We get straight into it.
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It starts off with Monday, which
is, I don't know, I always like
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it when you have these big, bold
things come up on the screen
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that tell you what time period
it is.
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But this is Monday and we see
Maria and her boyfriend at home.
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She's tasting some chocolates
for work.
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We find out that she works at a
chocolate company.
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She comes up with new flavours
and she's she's trying a new one
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she's just created.
It cuts to her at work and
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there's a group, A testing group
trying it.
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And the final person who comes
in is Verity, who you can tell
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Maria recognizes straight away.
They're testing the chocolate
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and a lot of the group don't
like it.
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But Verity tries it and she
likes it and she she asks
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everyone to try it again.
And on the second taste,
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suddenly the group starts to
like it.
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Verity and Maria meet in the
restrooms where it's revealed
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it's been 10 years since they
last met, which was at school.
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And Verity says she's going to
apply for an assistant role in
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Maria's team.
And Maria looks uncomfortable
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and says there is no role.
You see there's tension between
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them and you get the impression
maybe there's been some bullying
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because often that's the only
reason why someone's going to be
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really uncomfortable.
Maria goes back to her computer,
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looks on the company website and
sees there is a role going.
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We then find out in a
conversation between Maria and
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her boyfriend that Verity was
seen as a brainy computer freak
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and there was a rumour that she
performed a sex act on a
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teacher, that she was an easy
target and one girl in
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particular was quite evil
towards Verity.
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Maria is suspicious as to why
Verity, who was a brainy
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student, has been working as a
travel agent, now wants to be in
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food R&D.
So that's Monday.
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Anything in that initial bit for
you?
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I think I missed an important
part there actually, didn't I?
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About the cap?
Yeah, I was going to say that
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when she was talking to the
research group, the group only
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liked the chocolate because she
suggested they like the
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chocolate, and she was.
So she got them to try it again.
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And she was like, Oh no, it's so
much better than the second time
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round.
Trust me, trust me, trust me.
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And at that point, then they all
all loved it.
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Yeah, and I'm going to say
something here, and I don't want
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you to jump in just yet, but the
important thing I missed is you
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see that her boyfriend works at
a chicken shop and he puts a hat
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on the counter.
And it was for me, probably
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gives a bit away.
It was this place called
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Barney's.
So Tuesday comes up, Verity's
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being interviewed and to Maria's
concern, she gets a job and
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Maria asks her boss to dig
around a bit more into Verity
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because again she's saying why
someone who's so clever at
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school worked as a a travel
agent now wants to be in her
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business.
Cuts to Wednesday and Maria and
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her boss meet and he says Verity
checks all came back clean.
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He also lets her know that he is
assigned Verity to shadow Maria.
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Maria starts by making Verity
list all the ingredients for a
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new mallow treat that the
company owner, Mr. Ditta is
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interested in and is visiting
them specifically to try.
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Maria starts writing off the
list of ingredients and she is
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correcting on the spelling by
the computer.
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I think it was for a seaweed.
I I didn't write it down because
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it was a a weird word.
And her colleagues are then
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talking about a chicken shop
called Barney, sorry, called
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Bernie's, but Maria corrects him
and says no, it's Barney's.
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And then there's an argument,
you know, because as I said, I
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also saw the cap at the start of
the episode, which confirmed it
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was Barney's.
So they argue it and she googles
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it and the results do show that
it's Bernie's, not Barney's.
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So she goes home, looks at the
cap and see, sees that it
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changed from a Barney's cap to a
Bernie's.
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And I think it changed from red
to purple.
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Anyway, she's talking to her
boyfriend about this, he starts
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relating it to the Mandela
effect.
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They have an argument, she
storms out and looks at school
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photos where one of them shows
Verity in the background looking
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on.
She then decides to message
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Natalie Kane, who was the the
girl that was nasty to Verity
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and has started the rumours to
let her know about Verity coming
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back.
But on the text message, we see
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that they haven't spoken for
four years.
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Cut to Thursday, bosses visiting
the office.
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He tries the new chocolate,
loves it and starts to ask what
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the texture is.
Maria says that it's held
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together with a derivative from
the seaweed that she'd listed in
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the the ingredients.
Oh, and I forgot to say that.
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Yeah, Verity was then going to
take the ingredients and bring
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it to the chef to make.
When she says that it's a plant
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based derivative, the head chef
looks very confused but doesn't
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say anything.
Yeah, she she described the
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product as having a plant based
derivative in the cook looked
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horrified at that point and then
it was realised that it did have
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beef based gelatin in it.
They go into the boss's office
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and they're arguing and Verity
says that all Maria said was
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that it should be non pork
gelatin and Maria is adamant
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that she wrote carrageenan.
They're arguing over this.
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He asked to see the e-mail that
Maria sent, but again, it says
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non pork gelatin, whereas we
know we saw earlier Maria write
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the word carrageenan.
She's forced to apologise and
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later at home, she says to her
boyfriend that Verity must have
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done something as she was always
a computer genius.
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Natalie messages her back with a
friend from school, but it's
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actually a message from her
husband who informs her that
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Natalie had died a few days ago.
Maria calls her back.
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Now whilst this isn't a funny
bit in terms of because she's
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just found out someone has died,
the the boyfriend was arguing
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for her not to call him because
he's going to be grieving.
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And you can see the boyfriend
cringing in the background,
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can't you, when she calls him up
to ask about him.
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So we see him cringing in the
background and and we find out
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the friend took her own life
after becoming increasingly
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paranoid.
Skip to Friday, Maria goes to
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work and only Verity is there
and she asks if she was sitting
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out the team meeting that was
going on.
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They have an open conversation
about their childhood and Verity
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then drinks all of their
colleagues milk chucking it on
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the floor and then blames Maria.
Now in a lead up to this, on
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previous days there was a
colleague in the office was
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constantly complaining that her
milk was being drunk or was
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being used up.
Almond.
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Milk.
Yeah, Yeah, Almond milk.
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That's right.
And yes.
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So Verity drinks this milk,
chucks it on the floor, blames
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Maria.
When the the rest of the team
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come in, you know, Maria starts
saying that Verity's drunk it,
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Verity's drunk it, Verity blames
her.
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So they go to check the CCTV
footage and it shows Maria
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getting quite aggressive,
grabbing the milk and drinking
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it.
She says it couldn't be her as
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she has a nut allergy.
When she says nut allergy, the
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boss and the security guard
don't recognize these words.
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So when she googles nut allergy,
it comes up and it says did you
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mean not allergy?
So now those the phrase nut
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allergy means nothing.
Right at that point she notices
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a pendant on Verity that Verity
is fondling and she believes
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that it's that that's changing
the facts.
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She lunges to stop it.
They're to take it, but it's
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stopped and fired.
Now this is where we get to the
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bit you were saying that night.
Just just just just before that,
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just to kind of some of those
points.
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So when every time that reality
is changed, well, what she sees
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as reality is being changed.
Verity makes a statement just
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before which will sound when I
watched it first time round, I
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don't don't know if you felt the
same, but always it felt odd
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what she was saying when she was
saying it.
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But when you watch it second
time round, it kind of makes
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sense.
So when it comes to the nut
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allergy piece that the second
before that she goes, no, such
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fingers are nut allergy.
And obviously you kind of like
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your, your ears pick up a point
because that's nonsense.
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And then just before the CCTV
footage was shown, she was like,
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it was her, it wasn't me.
And and again, it was like a
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useless kind of you didn't need
to say that out loud.
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First time around it, it made me
feel a bit weird when she said
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it because it just it was out of
place.
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But then obviously as the story
goes on, you understand why
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she's saying it.
Yeah, and I wish I'd seen it a
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second time.
So I think a lot of it would
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make sense.
And and I, I guess the one thing
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I haven't stressed is that
Maria, as the days have gone on,
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has become increasing
increasingly more.
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I guess we would say the word
paranoid because as we said,
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she, she was convinced her
boyfriend's, that chicken shop
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was called Barney's and then it
was Bernie's.
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The incident where she knows she
emailed a specific ingredient to
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Verity and when they've looked
at the e-mail, that word wasn't
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there.
I mean, the big one is obviously
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the changing of the, the CCTV
from Verity because they were
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getting on.
I think they'd reconciled from
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Verity drinking the milk and
throwing it on the floor to
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Maria drinking the milk and
throwing it on the floor.
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So all this is increasingly
making Maria think she's going
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crazy, doesn't she?
So that night she breaks into
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Verity's home and she discovers
a massive server room and a box
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of pendants that are identical
to the one Verity was wearing.
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When Verity discovers Maria
hiding under the bed, because
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obviously Maria sees Verity
still there, she hides under the
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bed.
Verity explains that after
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finishing school, she became an
expert programmer.
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She created a quantum computer
in her home that can shift her
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to any timeline she desires
through real time data she
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gathered using the pendant as
the remote, essentially meaning
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she could do whatever she wants.
She could change anything to her
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will.
She's been changing the
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timelines around Maria in an
attempt to drive her to suicide.
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Verity reveals she did the same
thing to Natalie as revenge for
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the rumour that Maria started.
Maria tries to reason with her,
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but Verity reveals she has tried
every path in life, with none
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being as satisfying as revenge.
Maria attempts to attack Verity,
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but Verity alters reality to
have armed police arrive,
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placing a knife in Maria's hand.
While restrained, Maria grabs an
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officer's gun and shoots Verity
in the face.
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She quickly grabs A pendant,
uses Verity's fingerprint to
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shift to a timeline where it
works for her, and after making
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the police officers believe that
Verity was the attacker, she
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shifts reality several times to
her own benefit.
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Now one thing that was said
earlier on when she finds out
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that Verity's changing timeline,
doesn't Verity say at one point
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I even made myself Empress of
the Universe, didn't she?
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And it wasn't as fun as revenge.
So the very final scene is
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Verity, sorry, is Maria making
herself the Empress of the
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Universe.
So that's a really, really quick
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synopsis, but I think this
episode probably has got quite a
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quick summary.
So ultimately woman makes
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another woman go crazy by
changing timelines around her to
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make her that to doubt
everything she currently
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believes, right?
Yeah, that's essentially it.
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So what what?
What were your kind of initial
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thoughts?
So when you finished the
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episode, how did you feel?
Exactly like you, I love the
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idea of it.
I love the premise.
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I just saw the ending.
I I don't know what I thought
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about the ending.
I know what he was trying to do,
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but.
Do do you think so?
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We've discussed many black bear
episodes in the past where we've
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said I think it would have been
better if we ended it like this.
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On this one, I was disappointed
with the ending and I couldn't
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think how I could end it.
So it was satisfactory.
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Do you think there's an
alternative way you could?
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Because because in my mind, I
had such a good like first 95%
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and like, this episode is great.
And then she goes from being
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bullied and paranoid to Empress
of the Universe in the space of
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about 40 seconds.
And I'm like, and when that
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episode finishes, it's like, oh
for goodness sake, like that's,
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that was ridiculous.
It's an interesting 1, isn't it?
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Because one thing I didn't like
is because we do find out that
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Maria and that the other friend
were bullies.
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I mean, I think we find out it
was actually Maria blamed the
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other woman, that Natalie is a
person who started the rumour
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about the sex act on the
teacher.
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I think we find out it was
Maria, don't we?
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So the bully, the bully one at
the end of it, that's one thing
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I don't like.
But yeah, it was just that that
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whole if they'd have maybe
showed it over like a like a do
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it over a few minutes and
showing her getting increasingly
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crazy with power.
And that's then when she made
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herself the Empress of the
universe.
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But she just goes from having a
struggle finding out about this
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quantum computer, which she
doesn't even question, right.
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It's just, oh, you've created a
quantum computer that can change
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time to them making herself
that.
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I mean maybe I think I wonder if
a better ending and maybe more
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fitting with Black Mirror is
that Verity then ultimately
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erases Maria from everyone's
memories and she becomes Maria.
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Yeah, I think what would have
been quite good is if I'd given
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Verity a bit more of a back
story.
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So you felt sorry for her
character to start with.
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And then you'd kind of get to
the episode end and I would
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almost have like, like you said,
the bully one.
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At the end of the day, you you
kind of find that out later on.
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But always if you felt sorry for
Verity and then she kind of won,
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you know, not to the point where
she committed suicide, but in a,
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in a scenario where, you know,
Maria's left unhappy, I think
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that might have been a better
ending.
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Or that they kept changing
timelines, that they're having a
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battle with these pendants and
they changed timelines so much
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so it just the world rips apart
or something.
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I I.
Also think they could have drawn
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not drawn out.
That's probably the wrong word,
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but they could have really
explored that, you know, the
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little things making you go
crazy.
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I don't think they did that long
enough because I think it
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because when they did the CCTV,
because all that other stuff on
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there, you would question
yourself, wouldn't you?
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You would like, oh, maybe I
didn't send that e-mail if the
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evidence is here, maybe I've
completely remembered that wrong
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or maybe I didn't write that
ingredient down.
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Maybe I just remembered that
wrong.
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All that stuff is kind of
believable.
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What you would doubt yourself
the second the CCTV got
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involved.
At that point it's like
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blatantly obvious.
It's, it's almost like we've
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rushed the last few minutes,
isn't it?
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That's a really good point
because everything up till then
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maybe apart from the the nut
allergy, I still find that funny
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where they said, do you mean nut
allergy?
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Yeah, maybe if they made it more
of a small, small steps, small
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steps, maybe do it over a couple
of weeks.
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And it's just these little
things because we've all done
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that.
Like you said, you know, you
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think someone has said something
to you.
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When you say you go back to
them, they say, no, I didn't say
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that.
Or you think you've read
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something, but you've
misinterpreted it.
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Misinterpreted it.
So basically you're you're
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advocating her drawing out the
poor woman's torture a little
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bit more, aren't you?
Yeah, but with the caveat.
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But we feel sorry for her more
by seeing more of her back story
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because she just kind of, it
almost introduces herself as a
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bully and we don't understand
why.
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I'd like to hear a back story.
It's like I said, really, really
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really good idea.
The other thing I found weird
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about it though, is, and I know
you shouldn't think about things
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like this in a, in a show like
Black Mirror, but you know, this
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woman, OK, she was a computer
nerd, but she's created a
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quantum computer that can shift
timelines.
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You know, it's not even said
that that she's worked for a
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company or or something.
It's just.
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That or she's stolen it or been
given it.
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It's yeah, yeah, it's a bit.
That bit's a bit silly, isn't
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it?
I said to you not to jump in at
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the start, but the whole thing
about the chicken shop, do you
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want to say talk about that?
Yeah.
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So essentially Netflix, I don't,
I mean, so I don't think Black
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Mirror have done this before.
Netflix had done this before,
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but they've released 2 alternate
episodes, haven't they?
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Whereby in one episode it
started off being Bernie's and
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turned out to be Barney's with
the change reality and in
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another episode it did it the
other way round so it was
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Barney's and became Bernie's.
Now when I we were texting about
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this we saw different versions.
However, when I re watched it I
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had the version that you just
explained.
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Now I'm beginning to question
myself whether I had the the
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version the other the other way
right way round in the first
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place.
But that's what I think this
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does good.
And that's what I will give this
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episode credit for doing.
So yeah, there were two
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versions.
I had the Barneys that turned
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into Bernie's, and then I'll
message you.
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You said you had the Bernie's
that turned into Barneys.
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This time round when I'm
watching it, I heard her say
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it's definitely Barney's because
it's like a barn where you keep
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animals.
And now I wish I'd known what
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she said in the other version,
because she would have said
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something.
She would have said something
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different.
This is what I was going to say.
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So obviously this whole episode
is on playing on gaslighting and
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the Mandela Effect, right?
And imagine if you and I, we'd
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come on and we didn't know about
that.
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And I'm not saying Barney's turn
into Bernie's.
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You're probably sitting there.
You would either one or two
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things if you didn't want to say
anything because you'd think,
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did you get it wrong?
I would have corrected you.
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Well, I.
Was going to say, yeah, knowing
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you, you'd be like, daddy,
you're feeling all right.
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You know, it was Bernie's into,
into Barneys.
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Yeah, I I just think that that
was a clever little thing.
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I think at the start the, the
problem is in this day and age
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with the Internet, these things
come out really quickly.
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But yeah, Can you imagine if you
or even if you you weren't doing
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this episode and you just
decided to watch it again, would
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you be questioning yourself?
I don't.
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I don't think I would have
picked up on it.
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I I feel like we concentrate on
these episodes because we're
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we're going to talk to them and
we look out for these details.
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I'm not convinced.
If I was just a casual viewer, I
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would have noticed it.
It's not the sort of detail you
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would talk about either, right?
It's not like, you know, you
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wouldn't go and analyse it to
the detail that we've just done
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on this this podcast.
We wouldn't talk about that
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scene.
I wonder if you watched it
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quickly in succession though,
like if you've had a few weeks
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between, like I might not watch
it for another few months now so
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I won't remember.
But if you were to watch it,
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like sometimes I will watch his
episode twice back-to-back,
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1:00, so I can add some notes
and two, just to enjoy it.
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Yeah, indeed.
Now if they'd done two versions
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where the two actresses were
completely reversed.
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Yeah, that would.
That would get us that.
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I think I'd notice that like
that that.
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'D be brilliant.
Imagine doing a imagine doing a
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second watch of that and you're
like, what?
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You would be, I think you'd be,
you would question your sanity,
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wouldn't you?
And then you would look it up on
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the Internet and you'd go, oh
that, that's quite clever.
412
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,200
That's actually class.
That would be the far better
413
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,080
option.
Yeah, that'd be the far better
414
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:09,920
option.
The whole thing.
415
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:11,880
This got me thinking.
So you know, you know the
416
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,440
Mandela Effect where people
remember something to be
417
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:18,040
different to what it is or they
find something out and they
418
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,800
they're sure their memory tells
them it was something different.
419
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,040
Now long time listeners of this
show knows that, knows that I
420
00:22:24,360 --> 00:22:26,440
did an episode on the Mandela
Effect.
421
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,760
And The thing is, you know,
we've we've discussed like
422
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,200
things are going streaming,
there's more and more streaming
423
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:36,000
on the streaming.
People are changing things and
424
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,640
they don't have to tell people
like Stranger Things in the last
425
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:43,440
series that came out, directors
changed some of the effects in
426
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,080
the some of the episodes, but
didn't tell people what or
427
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:47,160
where.
They just did it.
428
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:48,600
They were, I think they weren't
happy.
429
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,960
So again, if you're watching
that and then you rewatch it and
430
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,120
you notice something's
different, you're going to think
431
00:22:54,120 --> 00:22:58,600
that's a Mandela Effect, right?
And there was that show on
432
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,120
Apple.
I don't know if you watched it.
433
00:23:00,120 --> 00:23:02,440
Is it with that Rob Mcaleny in
it?
434
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:08,120
So it's called Mythic Quest.
The show got cancelled after the
435
00:23:08,120 --> 00:23:11,960
last season so they weren't
happy with the ending so they
436
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,840
redone the last episode and have
uploaded it and took away the
437
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:21,000
original ending.
So again, are we in an age now
438
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:25,120
where these things are happening
and we are going to start
439
00:23:25,120 --> 00:23:28,000
questioning ourselves?
But because streaming can change
440
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,160
at any point, we're starting to
doubt our our minds.
441
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,200
Before I come on, I did try and
think there was a way that I
442
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,720
could drop things on into this
conversation to, to question
443
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:42,640
your sanity and see if I could
kind of catch you out on I, I, I
444
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,520
couldn't think of one in time
to, to do it.
445
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,160
Oh, I've don't worry.
I think my, my, my brain's so
446
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,960
tired tonight.
I think already some of the the
447
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,000
mistakes I've made during this
is is has been fine.
448
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,880
I mean, I like the episode in a
whole because I said guests like
449
00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,640
Mandela Effect streaming fake
news and Big Brother.
450
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:05,320
That sort of thing has always
been something that we as people
451
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,960
have been fascinated.
We've nothing faint news in the
452
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,240
last few years since COVID
especially has become massive,
453
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,120
right?
But it's you see what I'm saying
454
00:24:14,120 --> 00:24:16,880
that it's a hard episode, I
think to try to apply to real
455
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,640
life because it would then mean
we'd need to have one of these
456
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:21,760
clickers.
So if you had one of these
457
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,040
pendants, I bet you'd have a
field day, right?
458
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,920
Yeah, what would you do with it?
What wouldn't you do with it?
459
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,960
I think.
I guess I guess if if any if the
460
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,760
scope wasn't everything then.
This is a thing.
461
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,400
It's a proper cheat code, isn't
it?
462
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,320
Well, other than her untimely
death, there was no
463
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:43,240
ramifications for Verity
constantly using it, was there?
464
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,200
Yeah, yeah, agree.
No penalty I is I guess is what
465
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,680
I mean.
And do you think she aged?
466
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,000
Like, do you think she was just
living one life or do you think
467
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,560
she kept on going back to do it
again?
468
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,280
That bit wasn't clear, was it?
No, I got the impression it was
469
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,160
just one life but she was just
able.
470
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,960
And she didn't undo some of the
stuff that she said.
471
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,880
So she also like, got her speak
in Chinese, didn't she?
472
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,040
And then she didn't undo the
Chinese.
473
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:09,760
She just suddenly started
speaking English again.
474
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,880
Oh, and I guess the important
thing is to say that I think
475
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,440
what a secondary watch will do
is as you pointed out in the
476
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,840
focus group where she got people
to to change their minds about
477
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,360
the chocolate is you can see
when she's she's touching that
478
00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:28,040
pendant is ultimately when she's
activating.
479
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:30,640
Yeah.
And and then you can see when
480
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,120
she's influencing.
So on the on the Barney's thing,
481
00:25:34,120 --> 00:25:36,680
she made a slide comment saying
actually I think it was
482
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,400
Barney's.
And you don't notice that on the
483
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,960
on the 1st watch.
The second watch it's definitely
484
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,480
worth a go to to notice when
she's influencing the room.
485
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,560
I guess, yeah, If you have that
power, it's it's a small little
486
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:48,880
things.
Like you said, you could just
487
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,400
change anything you have.
You have a bad conversation at
488
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:52,960
work, you just change it and you
say no.
489
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:54,920
That project I had to do was
perfect.
490
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,560
Do you not find though, maybe
going off onto a bit of a
491
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,520
tangent here with the whole
gaslighting thing, People don't
492
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,560
have pendants, but I feel like
this happens a bit in today's
493
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,360
world in, in the because we both
work in office environments.
494
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,480
Do you not feel it happens
sometimes on the small scale
495
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,400
kind of gaslight?
It's like, well, no, you said
496
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,000
this and I said this and so and
so said this.
497
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:20,120
And there's always this
influence in by stretching the
498
00:26:20,120 --> 00:26:22,480
truth a little bit, by
exaggerating just that little
499
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,040
bit to to kind of change the
tone or the message.
500
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,880
Yeah, especially if something
isn't written down, you know,
501
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:31,800
anyone can say I told you to do
this.
502
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,960
And especially if it's a
position of power to somebody
503
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,360
under their power, then that
person is probably more likely
504
00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:43,040
to doubt themselves, right, The
person who who's been spoken to.
505
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,560
So, yeah, I think people always
have been, whether it's to cover
506
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:51,480
up their own mistake maybe or,
or just because they generally
507
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,400
believe it.
Yeah, you must have little
508
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,560
instances of this happen all the
time, but yeah, I I think you'd
509
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:01,440
have fun with it.
I think I was going to say,
510
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,440
think of all the football
results we could change.
511
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,680
Football results but but also as
well because again we, we both
512
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,160
work in IT and we both work in
kind of support service
513
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:15,120
operational areas.
We could just wipe out any any
514
00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:16,880
bad issue that we encountered.
Right.
515
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,360
Yeah, Yeah, that's not really an
issue.
516
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,760
It wasn't me.
I just felt the ending was very
517
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,200
rushed.
Like I said, that Maria quickly
518
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,960
got a plan together and yeah,
just that Empress of the
519
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,720
Universe thing felt just so
silly and forced.
520
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,880
And I thought the other thing
was when she shot that Verity.
521
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,040
That was quite gruesome as well,
wasn't it?
522
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:38,520
It was.
Yes, it was, wasn't it?
523
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,360
It was a bit.
It was a bit of a shock.
524
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,480
Came out of the blue, didn't it?
It was.
525
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,480
It was quite it was quite gory,
quite graphic.
526
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,480
See, I don't think they didn't.
I didn't need to kill her off, I
527
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,920
just think like seeing her
suffer in a prison cell or
528
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:56,240
something along those lines
would have been OK as an end
529
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:57,320
then.
I just don't think we needed a
530
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,760
death in there.
Yeah, they could have arrested
531
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,320
her, put her in a prison.
Then you can find out that maybe
532
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,000
she had or, or put her in the
back of a police van and you
533
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,160
find out she's got one of those
pendants hidden in a shoe or
534
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:09,360
something.
Yeah.
535
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,840
Yeah, agreed.
And like they, they made a point
536
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,400
of saying like the pendants are
like programmed by fingerprint
537
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,960
or whatever it was.
Yeah, and Ravine, 5 seconds,
538
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,000
that was undone.
So it's like, why?
539
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,480
Why even bother putting the
limitation on in the 1st place
540
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,400
like and?
I also like the fact that in a
541
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,600
bedroom, she had a box with
about 15 of them or something,
542
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,440
wasn't it?
It was like a whole jewelry box
543
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,360
full of them.
It's like how many of you lost
544
00:28:35,360 --> 00:28:38,080
in the past?
Yeah, exactly.
545
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,000
What she could have, what she
could have done though, is just
546
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,440
wiped out the bullying thing
from school.
547
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,480
Like she didn't need to get
revenge.
548
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,360
She didn't.
She didn't need to get revenge.
549
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,520
She could have just gone into a
universe where that just didn't
550
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,800
happen.
Quite, quite a short episode,
551
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,920
but yeah.
Yeah, true, true.
552
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:55,000
You know what?
Yeah.
553
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,280
You see that is again Dan you've
you can't really sensible
554
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,640
suggestion.
I think too much about these
555
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,760
things.
I mean, there was a few things I
556
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,800
was going to point out.
There was a few Easter eggs in
557
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,680
there.
So I I don't think I picked up
558
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,240
any of these.
So did did you pick up any that
559
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:13,280
you want to shower?
I didn't.
560
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,080
I didn't pick up any Easter
eggs.
561
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,560
I thought there might have been
some Easter eggs in the name of
562
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,160
the company, the name of the
brand, but I don't recall there
563
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,120
being but.
No, so the only thing I think
564
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,320
with the brand was that it was
referenced in the previous
565
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,280
episode.
Common people.
566
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,640
And I haven't checked these, but
you know, I've got no ways doubt
567
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,600
it.
But Barney's Chicken is where
568
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,040
Kenny worked in season 3
episodes Shut Up and Dance.
569
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,880
OK.
A Verity's previous work
570
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,480
experience on a LinkedIn profile
includes Wayhaven Travel, and
571
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,240
that's a hotel chain featured in
Shutu and Dance.
572
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:51,040
Outside the data testing lab is
a Gemini Orbits poster, which is
573
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,320
a callback to the doomed
spacecraft.
574
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:58,120
And beyond the sea, the data
building is situated opposite a
575
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:02,040
Tuckersoft billboard and that's
the maker of the game that was
576
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,160
the source of Black Mirror Banda
Snatch.
577
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,800
When Maria's boyfriend plays
with AVR, the creatures of the
578
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,400
video gaming placing which is a
later episode can be heard.
579
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,920
The organic milk is the same
brand as a chocolate milk Robert
580
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,560
Daly drinks in USS Callister and
it makes an appearance in the
581
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,520
second one.
And the company Maria and Verity
582
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,400
worked for was did tell the
maker of honey hugs referenced
583
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,360
in common people.
Now Bandersnatch mentioned
584
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,120
there.
I sent you something the other
585
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:36,760
day and again talk not quite on
the Mandela Effect thing, but
586
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,720
did you see that Netflix of now?
I think they've removed that
587
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,480
episode from Netflix.
No, I, I, I saw your news
588
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:43,600
article.
It said they weren't going to
589
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:44,760
remove it.
I didn't never done it yet.
590
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,000
Well, and the reason being is
because that and another show
591
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,400
that one, that one was
interactive so you could make
592
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,400
choices and apparently Netflix
are updating their software,
593
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,280
which means that wouldn't work
anymore.
594
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,480
So again, imagine you sit down
and you say I want to watch
595
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:00,560
Banda Snatch.
It's not there.
596
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,600
You're going to start.
Did it even exist?
597
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,600
I was thinking why couldn't they
release it as just a stand alone
598
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,680
film?
But yeah, if you if if those of
599
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,280
you listening have done it,
you'll know why.
600
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:15,000
But yeah, I just think it's
funny with this technology now
601
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,720
that we are having to remove
episodes because the updates to
602
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,120
the technology can't run it.
Yeah, I mean, this was a fairly
603
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:26,760
quick episode, but like I said,
it's I think the subject was not
604
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,920
as in depth as as some of the
others, but I guess it was a fun
605
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,720
episode on a fun subject.
What would you rate it?
606
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,400
Just before you rate it, one
thing I was going to say is I
607
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,640
thought the actresses, both the
actresses are really, really
608
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,720
good.
I thought they they played those
609
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,080
parts well.
She got more and more frantic
610
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,640
and paranoid, and the other one
got a little bit more psychotic
611
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,800
as the story went on.
Quite good.
612
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,880
Yeah, really good point that
Verity starts off as quite as
613
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,960
shy, like she's a new person in
the company's shy, like the harm
614
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:58,720
innocent.
You know, I'm just trying to get
615
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,000
a job.
And then like he said, when she
616
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,880
reveals herself with the milk
bit at the end, she she just
617
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,720
totally changes.
Doesn't she just switched?
618
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:13,680
Yeah, I'm going to give this one
a six because I just can't hide
619
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,240
from how disappointed I was at
the end.
620
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,360
I'm annoyed because I'm going to
give it 6 as well.
621
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,400
Really.
Yeah, Yeah.
622
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,440
Well, I'm annoyed because you've
got the same score as me.
623
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,200
Usually you score a little bit
higher than me, so I was open to
624
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:28,760
go.
Oh, no, I'm going to be tougher
625
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,360
than you.
Yeah, again, I like the.
626
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:37,280
I like the subject.
I thought it was good the ending
627
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,640
yeah just just let it down.
It it, it ruined what?
628
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,600
Well, not ruined, but it it let
down what was a really big build
629
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,200
up.
And yeah, like I said, just
630
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,800
about that she you go into a
house which had these massive
631
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:52,840
quantum computers, this pendant.
Thing is, it was, what was it, a
632
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,400
47 minute episode?
47 minutes or something like
633
00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:01,320
that. 51. 51 so some Black
Mirror episodes go on for like
634
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,600
an hour and a half, so it felt
like they had a bit more time to
635
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,840
play with.
So I think they didn't have to
636
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,880
rush it.
Obviously, obviously people can
637
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tell.
I'm really frustrated with the
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way it ended, but just just felt
like there's opportunity and
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they've swandered it.
Yeah, like you said, you know
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where because I just had a look
ahead.
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So the next episode is 78
minutes.
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So they they've got the ability
to, as you say, have a bit of
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time.
But, you know, it's there are
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probably some people out there
who, who, who think where were
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miserable and they loved the
endings.
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Yeah, maybe, probably right.
Maybe they maybe they saw a
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completely different ending.
Maybe if you did, let us know
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and I might put out a second,
second episode of this.
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I might update this a week after
I put this out just to correct
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some things, but anything else
about this one you wanted to
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talk about?
No, I think, I think we've
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covered it all.
I guess the one thing I probably
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should ask, did this feel like a
Black Mirror episode to you?
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Did it feel like a Black
episode?
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It's funny you say that because
at some points while watching
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it, I did feel like this was
more stand alone and siloed from
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the rest of them.
And I can't tell you why I felt
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that.
So it's funny that you've asked
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me that, because I did feel
that.
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I'm the same it it.
It could almost be up until the
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last five minutes, but it feels
like it could almost be just
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some sort of psychological
drama.
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It's I, I think the reason why I
ask that is because a lot of the
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Black Mirror episodes tend to
have either that massive impact
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of technology right throughout
it, or it's quite sinister at
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the start, isn't it?
There's that, that overtone.
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I do wonder, and maybe it's not
linked to that at all, but that
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you mentioned it about the
dramatic announcement of what
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day it was.
I don't know if that had like
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some sort of impact on my
viewing of it in in some sort of
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00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:55,199
weird way that made it seemed
different to Black Mirror.
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00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:57,760
I don't know.
Maybe, and the only reason I say
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that is because it's very
unusual, because you didn't
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really need to know that it was
Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday.
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Completely unimportant, wasn't
it?
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Apart from the fact that
everything unravelled within a
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few days.
Yeah, like Russ, literally what
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they were trying to establish.
Yeah, but it comes up full
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screen, doesn't it?
It's almost like a jump scare,
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you know, It's it's.
Jarring, isn't it?
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00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,240
It's not like it's gentle.
It was quite jarring when they
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announced what day it was.
Maybe that's what work feels
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like.
Maybe that's the impact they
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were trying to introduce it.
This is what a day at work feels
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like.
We're going to jar you into
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business.
OK, well, you had a you had a
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high scoring one last week.
We've gone to six, six.
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00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,280
I think it just means it's a
solid episode, right?
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It's not.
It's not terrible, but.
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Yeah, solid could be better.
Yeah.
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00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,720
And just actually one more thing
for me, what you said about the
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two leads.
Yeah, because when I was looking
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them up, they haven't actually
done that much.
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So it's like they're fairly.
It's not like they've got a
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massive catalog.
I think I said this at the
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start.
So you know, for how well they
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portrayed those two roles and
being ultimately the two main
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00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,800
roles, right, it was only the
the boss and the boyfriend, I
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00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:03,880
think that had the next biggest
roles, right?
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So.
Yeah, I don't think you did
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mention it at the start.
OK.
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00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,320
No, I'm, I'm joking.
I was going there.
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00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,880
You go well, so I I, I couldn't
let my mum.
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00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,920
You got it in, you got me.
You got anything else should be
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00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,360
done before we go other than
having having fun at my expense
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00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,120
again?
No, I think I'm done now.
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00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,360
I could do it offline as well.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,920
We will see you next time for
another episode of Casting
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00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,720
Reflections on Black Mirror,
where it will be Season 7,
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00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:46,200
Episode 3, Hotel Reverie 2334.
If I want your opinion, I will
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give it to you.
