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Hello and good morning everybody.
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Good morning. This is Ali Walker.
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Hi Ali Walker. How are you doing today?
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I'm doing okay.
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How are you fantastic? Did you get your writing in
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yet for today?
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Did I give her? Oh? Yes, I woke up at
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four and got it going. I'm all ready to go
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back to death.
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Oh you're a morning writer as well. I've got to
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be up you know. I've got to be behind that
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pin by seven am. That's my discipline. Oh yeah, seven am.
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Oh no, no, no, I have to wear myself out.
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I have to go run or go exercise, get all
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my errands done. Then I usually hit writing around noon
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and do it till about four or five.
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So when you go out there like that so early
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in the morning to get the running in and things,
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is that a form of transitioning in the way that
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we all go through mindsets, especially creative people. Yeah.
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I find that if I kind of wear my body
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out a little bit more so I'm not Otherwise I
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get kind of hyper and I want to move around
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and I can't sit so and I have.
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So. Yes, that is a transition.
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It's so funny you say that, because people when they
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when they zoom wee, they go why don't you turn
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on your camera because I am moving all over the place.
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I don't want to distract anything that you were saying.
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You don't need to see me moving around on that camera.
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No, I know me too, I'm like walking around as
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we seek. Yes.
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Now, one of the things that I love to talk
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about is the idea of a story. You have got
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the light Runner, When did it arrive inside of you?
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Readers don't understand that it will hit you when you
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least expect it.
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Oh man, you're really you're really keyed in. Yeah, I'll
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tell you what was weird. I took my boys to
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this is like in twenty fourteen. I took my boys
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to Guitar Center because they're both the two older ones
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are both guitar players.
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And sitting in the parking.
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Lot, waiting and sitting, and I had just written and
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put out my first film, and I say first because
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I want to do a second narrative. And I started
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thinking about sci fi because I love you know, I
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love for Lescott's stuff.
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I loved Later Runner, I love all that stuff.
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So I was just sitting there thinking about it, and
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it just kind of popped in my head and I
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was like.
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Oh that's cool.
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Yeah, and then I just.
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Kept thinking about it and I kept so in twenty fifteen,
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I wrote I wrote it as a pilot, and then
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the next year I wrote the second and third one,
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and then I pitched them in twenty seventeen in Europe
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and here to the platforms, all the platforms.
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I sent it to and nobody picked it up.
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And then I don't know, it was just kind of
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in me, so I kept going, I just got to
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write it.
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I just got to write it. I have to just
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get it out, and that's what I did.
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Wow, see the process of being creative and the time
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that's required for it to come out. Because I'll talk
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with songwriters they say, yeah, I've had this guitar riff
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for about fifteen years and I finally played around an
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album and saying, are you kidding me?
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Yeah? It was weird. It was weird.
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Oh yeah.
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I kept thinking, somebody's going to pick this up.
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It's great, and everybody could kind of get it, but
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not really. And then I was just like, I'm gonna
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just do it.
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I'll show you. You know. It was like I could
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do it. I got it. So it was really it's
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a really weird way.
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I mean, I did that with a red little film
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called far More, which is on Apple at all these
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platforms now, with Adrian Grenia and selble Blair, and it was.
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The same thing.
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I told myself a story like in the middle of
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the night, and I woke up and wrote it.
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Wow. Creating the characters for your stories, did they play
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out in the way of you saw a picture of
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somebody and say, Okay, I'm gonna write a story about
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this one, or how do they come to life inside
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your imagination?
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I think they're an amalgamation of various people and myself
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and the qualities of those people that I kind of
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like wanted to explore or saw in the characters. And
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I just was like, oh, it's like that, you know,
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it's kind of like acting. And you know, you used
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to always ask me, like, how did June install? She
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was on Sons of Anarchy? She was this terrible person, right,
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She's a psychopath that I played, and I just remember thinking, well.
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I've got a few that I just kind of put
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it together.
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I mean, when you guys one like Captain Oliver Haskell here,
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I mean, I mean it's one of those things where
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you go, why do I feel like I know this.
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Guy because you do, because you probably do, because you
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probably do. It's sort of these enigmatic people that you
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can't quite put.
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Your finger on, and everybody thinks they're wonderful and they're not.
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Yeah. I was doing some research on who are the
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people that we see in our dreams? And what came
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up in the research was the fact that it's everybody
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you walk beside that comes back to your imagination.
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Yeah, I think so, I think so.
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I mean that's why I say it's an amalgamation of
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all these people that are in my life, you know,
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these little bits and pieces.
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That I string together of various characters.
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That I've known, and they're there to represent something in
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the story, aren't they. I mean, whether it's you know,
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like in Haskell's case, you know, well, I'm not going
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to give that way, but you know what I mean,
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if people are there to represent joy or you know,
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like for me, doctor Ella Kramer represented innocence in finding it,
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you know, and her ultimate journey was to find out
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who she was.
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So the representations of you know, of I don't know.
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Archetypes or I don't know what if you'd call it,
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of people who need to find this out or to be.
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This so that the story can be held forward. Does
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that makes sense?
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Yeah, it does, it does because when it comes to emotions,
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I mean, you being the writer, you being the original
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seed planter. You've got a book here that physically haunts
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the readers. You had to feel it before I feel it.
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Yes, that's right, that is exactly right.
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You know, it's interesting because it always goes back to
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acting because I took from a very good teacher named
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Harry mastro George in Los Angeles, and he would always say,
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you know, what.
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Was it Beethoven said?
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They asked Beethoven something about, you know, how he wrote
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his symphonies the fields or whatever.
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I don't remember the symphony.
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I'm so sorry, But he said, I don't write what
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I see. I expressed what it felt like for me
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to see it. So you have to feel it and
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then you convey that. So yeah, I think that's writing too.
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Yeah, but what do you do with those people that say,
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quit being a drama queen? My god? Because so many
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people just go, you're too emotional, you're too attached. Stop it.
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Uh yeah, you know, I'm just you're you're you know.
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It's like Jessica Rabbit. I'm just drawn that way.
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Please do not move. There's more with Ali Walker coming
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up next. Hey, thanks for coming back to my conversation
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with actor and author Ali Walker. Is there a sighte
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of you that you would like to turn the light
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Runner into a binge watch?
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Yeah, for sure.
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I mean that's what it was intended to be in
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the beginning, you know. And I have the second one.
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I'm writing the second one. There's three in the series,
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and I'm kind of figuring out, you know, I haven't
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really got it all, but I'm kind of figuring out
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where that arcs to. But yeah, definitely, I mean, you know,
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my well, I have to say my first love is literature.
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You know.
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I grew up reading, like being a bookworm and reading
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and reading everything, you know, as a child, and I
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love to read, and I think I write more. Well,
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I'm kind of a combo writer because these, as you
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can see, my chapters are fairly short and very visual
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like a film would be.
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But I also like scenes in a script.
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But I also love to use my words to go
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on and describe and describe and describe, so.
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Everybody gets down to the iddy bitty bitty bitty biddy right,
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And I like that. And the only place that you
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can really do that is in books.
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I love the fact that you talked about how short
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your chapters are, and the reason why is because on
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this side of the page. I like that because once
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I finish a chapter, I feel like I've accomplished something
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and that really does get inside my head.
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You did it, That's how I felt writing it. I
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was like five pages, yes, take a victory lap.
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Are you like me? Then when it's time for that chapter,
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it's a voice you hear in your head and heart
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that says you're done, You're done, put it away.
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Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah. I'm like, okay,
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you have You know, That's why books are hard for
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me at.
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Night, because I'll be like, I holy have thirty pages.
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It's one in the morning. But I can do.
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Like reading and reading.
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No, I feel like, okay, stop here, You've done it,
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your missionished complete tonight.
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What do you pull from from other creative people around you?
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Do do you learn new lessons of the trade, Because
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I mean, that's one thing about for writers. We are sponges.
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We take in so much and then we go play
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with it.
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Yeah. I think you know, the editors that I had
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really helped me.
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I mean, they really helped me see things differently and
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take a different you know, sort of have a new
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perspective on how to tell the story and what was
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important and what wasn't.
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I mean, each and every one of them.
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You know, you learn from a lot of people, and
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I learned from you know when I would would read
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a passage to my girlfriend or something and they'd be like,
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I don't get this.
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What does this mean? And I realized, oh.
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Okay, they don't get that. You know, I need to
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make that clear. I just think it's about perspective. I
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think other people who have been doing this, you know,
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like yourself or somebody who's been doing it a lot
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longer than I have, really brings you know, a wealth
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of information to say, hey, this is my way of
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doing this. Or like I was at a conference and
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the two of the writers there on the panel we're
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talking about how they don't do stream of consciousness anymore.
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They do outlines so they you know exactly where it's going.
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And I was kind of fascinated. I was like, do
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you outline?
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No, I'm a stream thinker. In fact, I even have
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a podcast based on trying to train people how to
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become better stream thinkers.
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Well, I'm a stream thinker. I mean, it never occurred
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to me to write. You know, I didn't know where
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it was going. I just knew that I would know
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as I got there, and I did.
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Yeah, you know it was weird.
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Wow, Well I guess I am because I mean being
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a radio guy, I mean I have to have me
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when I used to talk over fourteen second intros of songs,
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I couldn't write the entire thing. I had to do
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an outline.
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Wow. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah that's going to be hard, right,
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It can be.
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It can be. And you know, if you you know,
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when when your program director or consultant is sitting there
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telling you that you need to write stuff down, do
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not go in there and just wing it, because I mean,
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you're gonna have a better show with you if you
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practice things and bring out those lines. And that's when
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I realized, Wait a second, in radio, I'm just another actor.
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I had to swallow as well. Is that was I
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really a radio person?
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so it had a voice. But I'm really a writer,
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are you the same way?
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I have wanted to write since I was a child.
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I wrote a short series as a child, and I
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went to college and thought I would go into creative
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writing and I did not like.
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and I loved that. But I you know, wrote a
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on set.
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past two books were written inside a radio station production room,
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because I just love the creative energy.
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love being on set. I really did. I actually really
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missing on set. I talked to my agent recently because
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the lighting guy. Everybody's so cool and they all are
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pulling together. It's just such a collaborative, you know, effort.
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reason why, I just wanted to be with real people.
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listen to them because they want to be heard.
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of you know, I'm a real people person that people
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watch or I used to like just sit like little restaurants.
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get it. I get what you were doing.
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very vivid world is it because you see it first
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channel it to myself. It's like I'm telling my self
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a story and I'm like.
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just like.
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what could I you know, what.
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I'm almost like, what is this? Where's she gonna go? Yeah,
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because I think life is like that. You know, you
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kind of don't know.
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doing simple tasks, so you kind of you know, every
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single second is a chance to turn everything around, and
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it changes so quickly, and that's what That's what why
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life kind of always inspires but also terrifies me, because
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every single second is a chance to change into something
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completely different.
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over the news, the the TikTok and tick and what
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is a book talk? Also, they were busted for a
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plagiarized book that was read by AI. How are you
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protecting yourself because it's gonna happen.
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I don't know, you know, I don't really know how
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we can protect ourselves. I mean, they did something, screwed
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the copyright laws. They really need to fix the copyright
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laws in this country because I mean, just you know,
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I've seen plagiarism all over the place.
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Are you kidding me?
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and it's you know, I'm in Hollywood, okay, and it's
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now that AI.
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It's just going to be. I don't know that there
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will be much people can do.
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you need a lot of money, you know, and you
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need a lot of time. And I just I don't
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really know how you fight that unless we as a society.
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Demand better.
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I've got to bring up because I keep telling myself,
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don't do it, don't do it, And that is is
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that you share your story with your with your girlfriend,
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and I'm going wait a second, that breaks one of
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the rules of Julia Cameron and the artist way, getting
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somebody so close to you to read your material. And
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so I know, how how did you prepare your heart?
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I didn't.
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I was waited till the book was finished.
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Well, good for you.
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Yeah, finished and edited, and then I read what do
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you think. They're like, oh, wow, that sounds cool.
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I said, yeah, yeah, you were like the inspiration for it.
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He says, I hate your guts because and that was
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the end of the friendship. It really was.
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one of the characters with her, but she was really
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thrilled about it.
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She said, oh, that's so sweet, thank you. And she's
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reading the book and loves it. So I'm really happy
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about that. Wow.
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So are you on audible? And if the book is there,
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who's reading it?
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No, I'm not on Audible yet. I have to do
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that next. Just remember I'm just doing this myself. So
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I am going to do that within the next month.
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I'm going to go read for audible and I'm going
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to do it so it should be up fairly shortly.
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And the only thing that's bad about reading the book
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like that is that I did this for one read
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and that was I got on page six and I
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realized I still had two hundred and ten to go,
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and it was like, no.
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I know, I know, it's kind of daunting, right, it's
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really daunting. I know.
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Where can people go to find out more about you, Ali,
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so they can fall in love with all that you're doing.
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Oh you're so sweet. Ali.
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Walkerofficial dot com is my website. You can go there
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and find out about the movies I did a documentary
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and narrative, and my book and updates I'm on the
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second book or appearances I'll be making can be found
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there as well.
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I love it. Please come back to the show anytime
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in the future. The door is always going to be
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open for you.
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Oh you're so sweet. Thank you so much. I had
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a great time. Thank you.
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Will you be brilliant today?
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Okay, I will, all right, Thanks so much.
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Hello and good morning everybody.
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Good morning. This is Ali Walker.
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Hi Ali Walker. How are you doing today?
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I'm doing okay.
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How are you fantastic? Did you get your writing in
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yet for today?
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Did I give her? Oh? Yes, I woke up at
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four and got it going. I'm all ready to go
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back to death.
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Oh you're a morning writer as well. I've got to
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be up you know. I've got to be behind that
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pin by seven am. That's my discipline. Oh yeah, seven am.
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Oh no, no, no, I have to wear myself out.
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I have to go run or go exercise, get all
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my errands done. Then I usually hit writing around noon
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and do it till about four or five.
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So when you go out there like that so early
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in the morning to get the running in and things,
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is that a form of transitioning in the way that
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we all go through mindsets, especially creative people. Yeah.
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I find that if I kind of wear my body
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get kind of hyper and I want to move around
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and I can't sit so and I have.
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So. Yes, that is a transition.
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It's so funny you say that, because people when they
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when they zoom wee, they go why don't you turn
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on your camera because I am moving all over the place.
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I don't want to distract anything that you were saying.
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You don't need to see me moving around on that camera.
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No, I know me too, I'm like walking around as
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we seek. Yes.
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Now, one of the things that I love to talk
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about is the idea of a story. You have got
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the light Runner, When did it arrive inside of you?
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Readers don't understand that it will hit you when you
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least expect it.
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Oh man, you're really you're really keyed in. Yeah, I'll
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tell you what was weird. I took my boys to
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this is like in twenty fourteen. I took my boys
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to Guitar Center because they're both the two older ones
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are both guitar players.
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Lot, waiting and sitting, and I had just written and
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put out my first film, and I say first because
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I want to do a second narrative. And I started
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thinking about sci fi because I love you know, I
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love for Lescott's stuff.
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I loved Later Runner, I love all that stuff.
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Yeah, and then I just.
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the next year I wrote the second and third one,
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and then I pitched them in twenty seventeen in Europe
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and here to the platforms, all the platforms.
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I sent it to and nobody picked it up.
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in me, so I kept going, I just got to
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I just got to write it. I have to just
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get it out, and that's what I did.
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Wow, see the process of being creative and the time
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that's required for it to come out. Because I'll talk
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with songwriters they say, yeah, I've had this guitar riff
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for about fifteen years and I finally played around an
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album and saying, are you kidding me?
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Yeah? It was weird. It was weird.
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I kept thinking, somebody's going to pick this up.
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It's great, and everybody could kind of get it, but
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not really. And then I was just like, I'm gonna
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just do it.
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I'll show you. You know. It was like I could
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do it. I got it. So it was really it's
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a really weird way.
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called far More, which is on Apple at all these
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platforms now, with Adrian Grenia and selble Blair, and it was.
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the night, and I woke up and wrote it.
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Wow. Creating the characters for your stories, did they play
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somebody and say, Okay, I'm gonna write a story about
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this one, or how do they come to life inside
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I think they're an amalgamation of various people and myself
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and the qualities of those people that I kind of
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people that we see in our dreams? And what came
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up in the research was the fact that it's everybody
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you walk beside that comes back to your imagination.
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all these people that are in my life, you know,
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the story, aren't they. I mean, whether it's you know,
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like in Haskell's case, you know, well, I'm not going
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if people are there to represent joy or you know,
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like for me, doctor Ella Kramer represented innocence in finding it,
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you know, and her ultimate journey was to find out
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who she was.
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of people who need to find this out or to be.
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seed planter. You've got a book here that physically haunts
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the readers. You had to feel it before I feel it.
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acting because I took from a very good teacher named
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Harry mastro George in Los Angeles, and he would always say,
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you know, what.
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his symphonies the fields or whatever.
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I don't remember the symphony.
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I'm so sorry, But he said, I don't write what
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I see. I expressed what it felt like for me
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to see it. So you have to feel it and
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then you convey that. So yeah, I think that's writing too.
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Yeah, but what do you do with those people that say,
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quit being a drama queen? My god? Because so many
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people just go, you're too emotional, you're too attached. Stop it.
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Uh yeah, you know, I'm just you're you're you know.
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It's like Jessica Rabbit. I'm just drawn that way.
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up next. Hey, thanks for coming back to my conversation
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with actor and author Ali Walker. Is there a sighte
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of you that you would like to turn the light
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Runner into a binge watch?
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I mean that's what it was intended to be in
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the beginning, you know. And I have the second one.
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I'm writing the second one. There's three in the series,
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and I'm kind of figuring out, you know, I haven't
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really got it all, but I'm kind of figuring out
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where that arcs to. But yeah, definitely, I mean, you know,
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my well, I have to say my first love is literature.
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I grew up reading, like being a bookworm and reading
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and reading everything, you know, as a child, and I
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love to read, and I think I write more. Well,
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I'm kind of a combo writer because these, as you
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can see, my chapters are fairly short and very visual
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like a film would be.
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on and describe and describe and describe, so.
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Everybody gets down to the iddy bitty bitty bitty biddy right,
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can really do that is in books.
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I love the fact that you talked about how short
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your chapters are, and the reason why is because on
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this side of the page. I like that because once
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I finish a chapter, I feel like I've accomplished something
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and that really does get inside my head.
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You did it, That's how I felt writing it. I
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was like five pages, yes, take a victory lap.
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Are you like me? Then when it's time for that chapter,
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it's a voice you hear in your head and heart
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that says you're done, You're done, put it away.
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you have You know, That's why books are hard for
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me at.
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It's one in the morning. But I can do.
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No, I feel like, okay, stop here, You've done it,
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your missionished complete tonight.
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What do you pull from from other creative people around you?
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Do do you learn new lessons of the trade, Because
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with it.
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really helped me.
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take a different you know, sort of have a new
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perspective on how to tell the story and what was
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important and what wasn't.
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a passage to my girlfriend or something and they'd be like,
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What does this mean? And I realized, oh.
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make that clear. I just think it's about perspective. I
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think other people who have been doing this, you know,
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like yourself or somebody who's been doing it a lot
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longer than I have, really brings you know, a wealth
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of information to say, hey, this is my way of
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doing this. Or like I was at a conference and
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the two of the writers there on the panel we're
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talking about how they don't do stream of consciousness anymore.
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you outline?
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a podcast based on trying to train people how to
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become better stream thinkers.
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to me to write. You know, I didn't know where
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it was going. I just knew that I would know
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as I got there, and I did.
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when I used to talk over fourteen second intros of songs,
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an outline.
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when when your program director or consultant is sitting there
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telling you that you need to write stuff down, do
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not go in there and just wing it, because I mean,
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you're gonna have a better show with you if you
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practice things and bring out those lines. And that's when
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I realized, Wait a second, in radio, I'm just another actor.
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Yep, yep, Wow, that's cool. That's cool.
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Now being a writer this and this, this was one
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I had to swallow as well. Is that was I
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really a radio person?
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I believe that the radio the writer in me found radio,
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so it had a voice. But I'm really a writer,
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are you the same way?
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I have wanted to write since I was a child.
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I wrote a short series as a child, and I
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went to college and thought I would go into creative
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writing and I did not like.
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I did not like it. In college, I was.
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so I did that instead, and I did some acting afterwards,
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and I loved that. But I you know, wrote a
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lot on the set too, when people would let me
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on set.
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past two books were written inside a radio station production room,
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because I just love the creative energy.
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love being on set. I really did. I actually really
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missing on set. I talked to my agent recently because
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this and focused on different things in my family and
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the lighting guy. Everybody's so cool and they all are
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pulling together. It's just such a collaborative, you know, effort.
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and got a job at a grocery store. And the
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reason why, I just wanted to be with real people.
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listen to them because they want to be heard.
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Singles way back in the day with Cameron Crow. Yeah,
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and Cameron would evesdrop unreal people.
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of you know, I'm a real people person that people
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watch or I used to like just sit like little restaurants.
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get it. I get what you were doing.
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Wow. So how do you make your stories so captivating?
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very vivid world is it because you see it first
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and then and then say, okay, now I've got to
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use my words.
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this to be like this or something. I just go
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it's you know, it's kind of weird. I kind of
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channel it to myself. It's like I'm telling my self
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a story and I'm like.
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kind of don't know.
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doing simple tasks, so you kind of you know, every
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single second is a chance to turn everything around, and
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it changes so quickly, and that's what That's what why
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life kind of always inspires but also terrifies me, because
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every single second is a chance to change into something
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completely different.
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I think speaking of terrifying things over the weekend, all
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over the news, the the TikTok and tick and what
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is a book talk? Also, they were busted for a
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plagiarized book that was read by AI. How are you
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protecting yourself because it's gonna happen.
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I don't know, you know, I don't really know how
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we can protect ourselves. I mean, they did something, screwed
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the copyright laws. They really need to fix the copyright
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laws in this country because I mean, just you know,
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I've seen plagiarism all over the place.
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Are you kidding me?
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People just I mean movies, books, People just take it
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and it's you know, I'm in Hollywood, okay, and it's
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now that AI.
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It's just going to be. I don't know that there
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will be much people can do.
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You know, in order to mount cases against big entities,
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you need a lot of money, you know, and you
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need a lot of time. And I just I don't
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really know how you fight that unless we as a society.
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Demand better.
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Yeah. Yeah, you said something a little bit earlier that
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I've got to bring up because I keep telling myself,
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don't do it, don't do it, And that is is
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that you share your story with your with your girlfriend,
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and I'm going wait a second, that breaks one of
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the rules of Julia Cameron and the artist way, getting
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somebody so close to you to read your material. And
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so I know, how how did you prepare your heart?
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No?
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I didn't.
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I was waited till the book was finished.
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Well, good for you.
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Yeah, finished and edited, and then I read what do
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you think. They're like, oh, wow, that sounds cool.
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Only because I had a friend tell me one time.
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He says this, this character reminds me of me, and
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I said, yeah, yeah, you were like the inspiration for it.
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He says, I hate your guts because and that was
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the end of the friendship. It really was.
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No, I uh, well, I did tell one friend that
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one of the characters with her, but she was really
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thrilled about it.
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She said, oh, that's so sweet, thank you. And she's
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reading the book and loves it. So I'm really happy
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about that. Wow.
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So are you on audible? And if the book is there,
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who's reading it?
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No, I'm not on Audible yet. I have to do
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that next. Just remember I'm just doing this myself. So
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I am going to do that within the next month.
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I'm going to go read for audible and I'm going
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to do it so it should be up fairly shortly.
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And the only thing that's bad about reading the book
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like that is that I did this for one read
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and that was I got on page six and I
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realized I still had two hundred and ten to go,
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and it was like, no.
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I know, I know, it's kind of daunting, right, it's
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really daunting. I know.
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Where can people go to find out more about you, Ali,
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so they can fall in love with all that you're doing.
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Oh you're so sweet. Ali.
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Walkerofficial dot com is my website. You can go there
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and find out about the movies I did a documentary
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and narrative, and my book and updates I'm on the
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second book or appearances I'll be making can be found
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there as well.
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I love it. Please come back to the show anytime
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in the future. The door is always going to be
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open for you.
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Oh you're so sweet. Thank you so much. I had
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a great time. Thank you.
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Will you be brilliant today?
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Okay, I will, all right, Thanks so much.
