Open The Voice Gate - Dragongate Dream Gate Shocker in Korakuen!

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[SPEAKER_00]: This podcast is a member of the Voices of Wrestling Podcasting Network.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Look at that one so far!
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[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome back to Open the Voicegate for October 6th, 2026.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm one of your hosts, it's your old pal, my experience joined
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have to say before we get super into this, it feels good to kind of get back in the swing of things after the last week we have.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, very much so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, I greatly appreciate all of the kind words that we're said about our podcast episode last week about the article that I wrote for Voice of Wrestling.com with all of those mat recommendations.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope that we don't have to do a show like that for quite a while.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope that I don't have to do it really.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm sure quite a while.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you know, it's it's one of those things that is inevitable by a hope that
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[SPEAKER_01]: going forward, whatever I have to do those, it falls a little bit more into the Hamada side where it is something that I could plan for and that to some degree was expected and not the awful unexpectedness that occurred just over a week ago now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I'm now in that spot where I'm like you, I'm starting to, I guess, come out of it a little bit and watch some wrestling that isn't specifically populated or, you know, the
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[SPEAKER_01]: So just a wonderful show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I ran into I don't think you'll have probably saying this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I ran into friend of the show Dr Keith the night after the AW died by pocket for you show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We were at a concert together Chicago and I walk up to him as I do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I see Keith regularly and he just looks at me like
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, hold off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, ah, I'm fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, did you cry a lot last night ago?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I cried a lot last night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was I did too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we had a nice little embrace there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was, you know, a very, very summer week in the world of wrestling.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you and I have been around long enough now to know that luckily we like that art super frequent, but they do not ever get easier when they happen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, and I thought that Diana might as well as what Dragon Gate did at Korkin, very much felt like very fitting and appropriate that did destroy me both during watching both of those shows in their own ways, but it's a thing that, as we talked about last week, we've never
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, as I was like starting to like watch collision and frankly get through this late backlog that has appeared on YouTube, I felt myself more and more kind of getting back into the swing of things where as frankly like this time last week, the idea of watching wrestling was completely just
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[SPEAKER_02]: unappetizing to me, but again, I echo your thoughts of appreciation for everyone's nice words, but we're back into the swing of things with Dragon Gate as last week, there was Dragon Gate's monthly cork and haul show with a lot of really huge news coming out of it, a cork and for the next few months, we'll be Dragon Gate's biggest venue that they will run in,
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[SPEAKER_02]: as we saw on the second case, all the big angles and title matches will be held into this building and none bigger than on October 2nd as Yoshiki Kato, unseats Kazy in his first ever dream gate opportunity, joining a list of Yamato and Luis Monte and Ata as the first people to
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[SPEAKER_02]: 29 years old, four years into his career.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's the 44th open the dream gate champion in KZ falls in his second defense and I just say like right off the rip that this is the biggest upset in the dream gate scene since Yamato versus guy and it felt
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[SPEAKER_02]: in a way, like a certain level of taking the breath out of your lungs when it happened, because I should have kind of known that, oh, Kato is someone that is going to get elevated relatively quickly and probably would be one of the first shot champions, but I didn't necessarily anticipate it happening on August 2nd, 2026 so quickly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I think, you know, the idea of Cato being an open-the-dream gay champion is not something that was far-fetched at all.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do find that a cause with his destiny.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, from his debut.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's fair to say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I wrote in my written review of voices of wrestling.com.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I said, you know, the idea of Cato Big Dream Gate Champion is something that we all expected.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you would ask me on January 1st of this year, or on October 1st of this year, if I thought Yoshiki Cato was going to be open the Dream Gate Champion in 2026, I would have said absolutely not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this very much falls in line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would say the three most shocking dream gate results in history are Yamato in 2013 when he defeated Shingo, just given the context of that title change and when it happened, Yamato versus Kai in 2021, given the name of the person that beat Yamato, and now Yoshiki Kato, who are both in terms of the timing and the name of the actual upset.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I will start here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I found that, you know, we talked about this about a month ago, where I, I very boldly claimed because I felt like there was a 100% chance of it happening that I didn't know the direction of KZZ, but the dream gate run, I didn't know how long he was going to be champion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't expect it to be a monumental run of great length and honestly of great substance,
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I did expect him to hold the title through the first weekend in December when they do his homecoming triple shot in Hokkaido.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think regardless of my opinion on Kato, regardless of my opinion on the match, regardless of my opinion of Kazy as open the dream get champion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do think what this did is is continue to peel away in sort of expose this flaw that has existed in Drangate specifically over the last 13 or 14 months, where they just don't seem to enjoy sending the fans home happy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought the biggest layout prediction.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and all of the layup predictions possible in 2026 Drain Gate was that Kazy will hold that title through Hokkaido so he could headline three hometown shows with the dream gate belt around his waist.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hypothesized they might do a dream gate match there especially given the scheduling of things and the fact that they can't run these big buildings that they normally run right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it would have been really interesting to see a title match in that building despite its awful aesthetics.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They make a pivot back to a heel champion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that is the upsetting part about this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, divorced from my thoughts on Kato or Kazy as champion is that he didn't lose the title to Yamato.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't lose the title to Real Yatenaka.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't lose the title to Luis Monte.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He lost it to another heel right after we just got the belt off of a heel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that to me is a little upsetting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I think if you look at how the promotion has been at least outside of Yamato's year-long or near-year-long run, the
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[SPEAKER_02]: There is a hesitant to having a baby face champion and to really go for forces of a face champion.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because I mean, the previous baby face champion before that would have been Kakuta, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they have not, it Kakuta failed and Yamato succeeded and there was no real opportunity for KZ to have.
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[SPEAKER_02]: a rain that you could say, like, definitively, like, in the rankings that, like, this is a one that has, it, it feels like the golden watch that, like, he was here to transition the belt off Kakuta onto Kato, which is fresh, which is frustrating just to cut you off, which is frustrating, because there have been times throughout Kazeys career where the app story to tell would have been
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, Casey got over the hurdle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He got the dream gate belt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The store to tell here is about how Casey can't hold on to the dream gate belt.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I do feel like it's supposed to be here and how is he going to stay here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be, you know, more about the chase than about the actual championship brand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are times where that would have made a lot of sense in Casey's career, but
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[SPEAKER_01]: whether it's Casey changing his standing within his own company or whether it's just the shifting tides of this roster and the fact that Casey has now achieved sort of an elite veteran status partially through guys coming going partially through just existing for as long as he had him being as good in being as good as he has for so long.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't get the impression that it was going to be that type of rain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't think it needed to be that type of rain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was very
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[SPEAKER_01]: letting KZ again, even if it wasn't a dream gate, rain that let the world on fire and at all of these very special matches, I was okay with just letting him have the title for a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just to let him have the title for a little bit because I don't think he'll ever have another dream gate right again, whereas if he wins the title, 2019, 2020, 2021, or 2022, I think any time during that four-year period,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it would have been very feasible to say, okay, he's got the one he'll eventually come back and have another a long-gated rain-ish room gay champion, but I don't I don't think he'll get another one and that's why I find this decision to be so odd just because we you know
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[SPEAKER_01]: were two months away, you know, realistically one more defense away from him getting to those homecoming shows.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now if I'm a ticket buyer in that market and I'm staring down the barrel of possibly paying for three different trade gate shows, I'm going, well, you just beat my guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't know, I don't know if I want to go to those shows now because inherently,
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[SPEAKER_01]: no matter what Casey is doing on those shows he could have three completely unimportant matches, but Casey is dream gate champion having three unimportant matches to that local market has to be more interesting than just non-title Casey existing there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and the other side of the coin, not just thinking of the Hokkaido fans, but the fact that they make such a big deal about marking these fan tours, doing like, oh, if you're someone
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[SPEAKER_02]: a fan tours, is equally an attachment for that, for that market too, so I think it works both ways there with it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the, the, the interesting thing at least Casey's title run here, like putting it in kind of a perspective, this kind of like you, you take it with him at age 40, and it's a gold watch.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But if this happens, as you said, six, seven years ago, this run is taken as, oh, this is the solidification run.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is the, okay, now he is validated as a champion because there's so many of the times that you see people get one key reins or they get one defense and it's just like, okay, that's good and it's not necessarily a plot device for them to go on that kind of run.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It puts them in an interesting spot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it kind of puts now, like natural vibes, and that's in that uneasy spot that they have been kind of trading on for a while too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But you have this time period as they,
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're not going to ever run edion because of the repairs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Fukuoka is now in February, that essentially up until February, this is the biggest building that they have, that this works in multiple different ways.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You don't need to have a Yamato necessarily being your big champion here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Business was up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: for this show now we could say is business up because it's a dream gate match with KZ or his business up because of timing or morbidly the knowing that there was going to be some tribute to pack on the show like those are consideration too but like this was at least on on the hand like the the best cork in that they had since you and skywalker left the company and when you look at the entire year this is one the best cork in say if had all year long
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if that is a enough evidence to say, no, this was a bad decision to take the belt off case.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's here, but you're at a time here where, you know, it's positive momentum when you had no positive momentum whatsoever.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you're not running any building bigger than this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So why not just ride with it or on the other hand, you have Yoshiki Kato who is destined to be in this spot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He is,
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[SPEAKER_02]: about to be 30 and he had his late spark start he had his series of injuries that basically for someone who debuted in December of 2022.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He essentially has only wrestle for two and a half to three years because of injuries that in a promotion like Dragon Gate that will veer towards the younger that there's going to be time that they were going to give a run to
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[SPEAKER_02]: You might as well do it at a time when you see is not going to be depended on to draw anything that more than 1200 people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I understand what you're saying, but I disagree with that logic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't I don't see the rush.
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[SPEAKER_02]: to get a title on the sky and I think what's so what's so confusing me idea before he gets older I would say what's older what's there's been 29 and 31 what's there's been 25 who cares and it's not like that he is someone that they need to put the belt on or he's walking off that door either.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if that's a thing, if they're looking at him, like if they were interested in having him being in that company and working more, he would be working more in all Japan than he did outside of the all Asia.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, they are bringing it back on the on the upcoming court and show they're going to have human issues.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm in there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There we go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying that I just, you know, I didn't look that up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I should have looked that before I was going to make that boy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I think there is interest in all Japan there, but if I'm running this promotion and 29 year old unproven never made invented a big show, Yoshiki Kato comes up to me and says,
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's either me the dream gate or it's me an algebra and I say enjoy your tracksuit brother You know, I'll I'll see you on the other side.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now you say that as someone who's been saying that I've heard anything and I and I shouldn't probably have put that out there just to be clear Like I was just saying to fear radical.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's just it's a very odd
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[SPEAKER_01]: decision because again, I've been very bullish on Cato throughout his entire career, and I've enjoyed the fact that Cato has been given the spotlight that he's had this year, but even in that spotlight, even with the attention that he's had consistently, whether it be with the All-Japan belts or the ongoing feud with Cello or the build to this match,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I still when I rack my brain and think about the defining Yoshiki kato moment, it's still the exhibition match a month before his debut with Punch Tom and Aga, and when I think about the best Yoshiki kato match, and this isn't inherently a bad thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's Kato and Kaito Nagano versus Masaki Mochizuki and Mochizuki Jr. from Ray Day, Praheha, since 2023.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, great match.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want every wrestler to have a match that good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But when you've been given sort of a soft launch main event push for most of the year, and then you are thrust into the spotlight in one of the more shocking booking decisions in the history of the company, I would hope that you have a bit of a deeper resume than that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good not great for most of this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't really know at this point in his career with this unit, with this character, with the opponents that he has to work against, I don't really know if he's gonna be great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like, who is Yoshiki Kato going to be defending against for the rest of this year?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's such a open question that, like, it really,
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[SPEAKER_02]: the shock of the title switch is still so kind of recent that I don't know if I am necessarily negative about this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The more I think about what this run was going to be for KZ, but I just like there's so many open questions for a guy that like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: up until the second, he was what the fourth or fifth or luckily because who joined the unit later on, he was like second or third from the bottom and his unit essentially other than whatever you put into kind of high at this and now he's thrust to a point where he's a double champion and that's a triple champion because he's the real dragon tag champ as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's a triple champion in a promotion that does not necessarily do that that often and if it does usually it's a brave or dream gate situation and then usually the brave gets vacated thereafter but not like.
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[SPEAKER_02]: the fact that now I mean team to a four like what are you going to do with the twin gate division because is it going to kind of be on I.S.
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[SPEAKER_02]: now so why did we do Ray Day for a house in the first place?
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of questions that I feel like if we were had any sort of confidence in the booking office that we would not feel like we need to ask right now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But
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[SPEAKER_02]: booking your shiki kato as dream gate champion is a it makes you have to ask a lot of these questions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well this is the frustrating part that I experience even when KZ won the title where
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't know where you go with this rain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now for Kato specifically, we know that we're going to have an LCLO match around the corner sooner rather than later, and for as as wishy washy as you and I have been on that program or it's positioned to be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's like, it's almost like Oscar bait, but it's a few of the year container bait, and I just don't think they've lived up to the end of the deal and a lot of that feud, so we don't really know what we're talking about.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, hey, big fan of digger, I don't, I, you know, I, I want to see digger, but seeing the reviews of digger, like I feel like you're describing digger.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Go see it, go see it, I really, the thing with digger.
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[SPEAKER_01]: is that it's two-hour movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And throughout the course of the two hours that I was in the theaters, the first half hour I'm going, this is this is great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's so nice to see crews in a role like this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's doing, he's living in this character in a way that I think is really interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's a twist.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That comes in about a half hour in and I went oh fuck this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, this is so dumb I can't believe I'm gonna have to sit through the rest of this movie and then they get me back and when they revisit the twist by the end of it I'm kind of like oh, this is
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know if I like this movie, but I think this might be brilliant.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a really bold piece of filmmaking, and it's a shame that literally no one is seeing it, that somehow it lost a variety at the box office this past week, because I'm not sure that it's great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not even sure that it's good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a really bold idea.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there are times where they stick to landing there, times where they don't, but I encourage everybody to go see it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I feel like there's really no way to stick the landing of CLO and Cato for you that's been so tepid throughout this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there are one, four and a half star match away from you and I changing our entire tune on that few.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know about that because it's been such a, a supposed through line few dating back to around this time last year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's essentially at every turn, Yoshi Kikato basically proving that CLO is not on his level and that you should just forget the time that Yoshi Kikato brutalized you and King of Gate 2025.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I just don't feel like that there's going to be a way to make it ramped up there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it just, like, I know that Ray Day pray house, I shouldn't fix it on this tournament here, but like, what was the purpose of that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: should have been answered at Kobe world before the tournament because it just had been Yoshio can manure going over.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I still think even if they end up doing that rubber match and even if it ends up being Yoshio can manure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They can't do the rubber match now because you she keep caught those going to have to be doing dream gate things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they could do it on the December quirk and you know, on one of those, I was talking to the stops of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they could, they could still do that match with him as Dreamgate champion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Mike, let's look at how they've booked the Dreamgate this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's not a ton of build going into these Dreamgate matches.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They could very easily do which would get match.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's true.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, essentially, you can just like, did you just start shouting out of each other?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's how you get a triangle gate match these days?
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[SPEAKER_01]: In a different era of the company, the, whether you want it to be,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cato-eation, Fuda, Cato-eation, Cata, Cato-eation, Kai for some muscle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Any tree of those guys, you could do a lot with them against Menora, Yoshioka, Cielo, in route to a Dreamgate match with Cielo and a Twingate match against Yoshioka and Menora.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't really trust that they're going to do anything interesting and the build the either of those matches.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's certainly a possibility and I think they will lose their next twin gate defense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would be, I guess I would be as stunned as I was when Kato won the dream gate belt if they decide to keep the twin gate belts on them going forward.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But they can do that, but you hit on a point there with the CLF you that I think is really
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[SPEAKER_01]: inflicted, I think, is the right word, the entire baby face roster, because as we get deeper and deeper into the year, and as Drangate continues to struggle creatively in these mighty ways, I look back at where the roster was at in 2018 versus where the roster was at now and I maintain that I think the 2026 roster from top to bottom.
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[SPEAKER_01]: is a more talented roster than it was in 2018.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The issue with 2018 was, you know, she may have left T-hawk for all of us, falls especially by the end, was a guy that could have great matches.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He left Linda Men speaks for himself, you know, eight years later.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He left.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yama Moore was her, but he left.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So now,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now you're really cutting the match quality and then you've got Shingo on his way out so you're hurting the match quality there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yoshino the steps slower than he was two years ago so you're hurting the match quality there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: H&M's up having a great year but you know Mike we we used to dedicate hours upon hours to asking ourselves if H&M was capable of being the top guy in this company it was a depth issue in 2018 but when you go through the roster now
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's a depth issue, you know, just going unit by unit here of guys they could feasibly do stuff with, not meeting that they could challenge for the dream game, but just going through the units, you know, strong machine J and KZ and Gucci from vibes are all guys that, you know, I think, you know, this conversation will be more relevant to KZ a month from now, but are all guys that are are capable of doing more right now than they're being asked to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cagotora, Doi, Sam's story and paradox, throw all of love and peace in there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I understand their triangle gate champions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're, they're over by default of the raw talent that is on display and all of their matches.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do not think their booking does them any favors, whatsoever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All of those guys could be booked better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: As far as you know, show coming to our CLO, I like what they're doing with all those guys, and then Zino Stallnova.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I like the way they're handling this new unit, but I don't trust that they're not going to make to knock a Humara commora.
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[SPEAKER_01]: or Yoshio Kamenora Cello in the near future.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't trust that they're gonna not make them look like losers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They just beat these baby faces to a pulp.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And nobody's able to get over as much as they should be because they all just get their asses kick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the big picture issue with this Kato win is that we just saw another baby face who people could believe in, who people want to rally around, get his ass kicked.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was a match where he just gets his ass kicked.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And although he gets some offense from a high like an elevated spider twist and he does the calf, uh, he goes for like a calf slicer to go after Kato's previously injured knee and there's a level of that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But it's a shiki kato kicking his ass worth.
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[SPEAKER_02]: for for 18 minutes and then running out of gas and things getting kind of sloppy towards the end.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then, uh, did utterly destroy him in the last closing stretch.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And like, essentially, this match told you that, okay, KZ got through Yamato, got through that help, but that was it because Yoshiki Kato is bigger.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's better in the bad guys win.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And because he wins this match essentially clean, I mean, got to do grow at ringside the only like real shenanigans is are that there's the Oklahoma stampede from the apron to the floor onto chairs, but I mean, if we're, I think that what happened in any heel, you know, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that is five.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That that's five percent out of a hundred on the heel scale.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that is the important thing to note here is that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: At least for now and this could very easily change by we saw how this that we saw this change with cocoana exactly, but for now It was a heel title change with no ref bump, no massive heel in our parents.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If they want to tell that story with Kato, I'm I'm going to be on board for a little bit longer than I would be other other under other circumstances.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I at least have to make that note.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But as you like look into like where he goes, he's such an untested figure that like my mind goes to the idea of, well, clearly you went through the baby face side of the roster.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're not building up really any of them until,
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[SPEAKER_02]: probably the end of the year, and King of Gate, and even with that who knows what with King of Gate, what that's going to really do for whoever wins it, that's an open question.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I wonder that you have to look towards a veteran for who you probably start Kato out against.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like going through like this, like if you're going to have this dominant heel champion, at dominant heel, young champion,
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[SPEAKER_02]: It does kind of feel like in a way that I want to see him up against or to assume it's like maybe not for the entire run, not for maybe anything outside the first one, but he's such an open question and he's so untested at this point that this was clearly, I would have to go back and look at the a young dragon's cup final, but 23 minutes had to be like
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would think so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, the young dragons cut final from last year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the only match is the only singles match of his that I have at four stars or higher, which isn't necessarily a prerequisite to become dream gate champion, but I definitely don't remember another dream gate champion that had less great singles matches before becoming dream gate champion.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm with you on that and I think that I maybe had a little bit more time for this match just because I was liking the idea of how definitively Kato was winning with it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But you just you can Casey makes a lot of sense that Kato can run through if you're pushing him as a champion, but I don't know like are you going to have Kato versus
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, strong machine J or you're going to have Cato versus the Simo.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like the Simo is the better route if that's really kind of your opportunity.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The face is just aren't there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, this is this is the problem.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that where do you go after the Cello match?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I certainly don't think that Cello was the answer to these problems.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think hotshotting the title onto him is going to do anybody any favor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when you go through it, it's like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cato vs. Yamato.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not as enthused by that as some others might be you could do Cato vs. Susumu.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I, you know, really, I have time for Cato vs. Susumu.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The problem that I have is that outside of Doi, who is a separate conversation, I don't really want to see anybody from Paradox challenging for the dream get belt right now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just, Now we have to put Doi in that situation now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But why?
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the thing that I don't get with you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just don't want to.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Joy is pushed by.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Joy is pushed by every other promotion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Joy is a focal point in all Japan for wrestling.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Joy is getting pushed right now heavily in the zero one juniors tournament as he should, but it's still happening on the left.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nonetheless, I don't understand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why we have been limited to one important Neruki Doi match year when the guy might be a top five worker on the roster?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, certainly one of the 50 best wrestlers in the world this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Doi's had a better in-ringier than Casey has had.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why is Doi the one that doesn't get factored into these big paradox matches?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't understand that because he's the one that doesn't have a full-time contract anymore and it's a freelancer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that is a
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[SPEAKER_01]: a logical reason I also think that is a dumb way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a very, it's a very poor reason.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, you know, I don't, I don't, I don't really like the idea of Cato versus Yamato and I don't really like the idea of Cato versus Asumo, but then and I went through this in my written review, we can go through it here, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: could very easily have challenges, but they're destined for the twin gate belt, C. L.O.s.
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[SPEAKER_01]: there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That leaves
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[SPEAKER_01]: largely just really a Tanaka, which hey, I think that's great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do think that Zeno Stahl Nova's gonna be too busy with the triangle gate belt, and we'll see if that comes to fruition this weekend.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't see that happening, and I also still maintain that even if Tanaka versus Kato happens in December or January or February, I don't think
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be as hot as it could have been based on the end of that brave gate rain from Tanaka.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I will stand firm in that until I am proven wrong.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if I am proven wrong, I'll be the first to say that I was wrong.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think they did some damage to Tanaka's public image that is going to be really, really hard to overcome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: in the nigger future as a result of him losing to a 50 year old man, even if that was dragon kid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, you go through this baby face roster and there's just no one that's over.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know where they're going to go with it because I even made the point of my review.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I go, you know, I've been lobbying for a huge, remgate challenge for a while now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's something they've never done.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's something that would be different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Casey versus Heo is the type of match that you could have gotten away with in Cork and Hall, and I think people would have been really, really into it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think Cato versus Heo was that same vibe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think you can do a match like that in this rain.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, even with the idea that you have just
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[SPEAKER_02]: I, it weirdly is, you would think that your shiki kato would have like the most open dance card possible, but it's just such like a unique kind of situation, and it's a situation that they booked themselves into, and that like, I,
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[SPEAKER_02]: really thought and we'll starting off this year that we would that there would be no doubt that he would have a title match this year and maybe he would be the person I'd be looking at forking of gait this year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But like you can't do that with him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's like 11 pieces just kind of the the dissavoyed of getting over even though they're they're triangle gait champions and
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's such a interesting kind of like on just looking at for what is it's a fascinating situation that they decided to make is just how you could be confident about what the route route is ahead of us when they have completely set it up to fail.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's where I kind of feel like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I have time for Yoshiki Kato as champion.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that you could get a lot of kind of interesting matches out of this, and Yoshiki Kato can be someone coming out of this drinkate champion, a lot more of a made wrestler out of the fact that he's a drinkate champion now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But it just does not feel like that we're in a promotion right now, where that you're going to be able to have
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[SPEAKER_02]: four weeks time ready for a championship, and that's probably fine for the November core one, but like December or December.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you've got C. L. O'Line up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, maybe they hold off on the C. L. I'm actually maybe they try to keep it in Fukuoka, but I mean, there might be holding off on all of it with if they're going to you can't get this year too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that is so many.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's only so many, there's only so many more weeks left in the air at this point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, okay, I put a pin in this conversation for just a second because I want to come back to this, but I think by the time I asked the question, I want to ask, it'll help us transition to something else, but just real quick, belt about what did you think of Cato versus Casey?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because it seems like you might have been a tad higher on me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or it'd higher than me?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was foreign, a quarter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought that it was Kato for essentially 18 minutes would you say of this match?
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[SPEAKER_02]: 18 minutes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He felt like, okay, Yoshiki Kato, this is what we thought of as future in 2022 and he debut were like, okay, yeah, no, Yoshiki Kato is going to be a top of the line heavyweight dream gate wrestler.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we got that and I felt like he lived up to the expectations for the match and
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[SPEAKER_02]: in a way I thought that KZ was incredibly giving in this because I mean, this was 85-15 through that point, but then towards the closing stretch and they got it back towards the end, but it closed towards the closing stretch, you could kind of see that this was a match that, you know, I mean, this was a a a career long match for Cotto and it kind of,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Petered out there, and for me, when I say it's four and a quarter, it's a soft four and a a quarter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if it could have gotten much better, but like, I think maybe I'm talking myself down to a four on it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I thought that Kato fulfilled the brief by and large ears, just the booking was just kind of weird and the booking felt weird going into it and the booking felt weird coming out of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's a frustrating thing for this promotion where I can see on paper.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a, you know, Kato's past of the Dreamgate belt is no different than his feud with C. L. O.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wear on paper.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I see what they're doing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I can see how this made sense within someone's head cannon, likely Rio Cytos head cannon.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't think that the execution has been there and I think this match suffered a very similar fade where I think the match was 23 minutes long and they to me they had about 18 minutes worth of material and in the final five minutes I thought the match got sloppy in a way that was counterproductive sometimes you see that especially in a big title match for those last few minutes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: can look a little rough and can be a little clumsy and it adds to the experience.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I did not feel that way here, and maybe that is just me not giving control the benefit of the doubt because he doesn't deserve it in my mind, but I really was was into this match for a minute.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought in particular KZ Skytis Schoolboy Flashpin attempt that I completely been on the finish of.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that was
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[SPEAKER_01]: a pretty remarkable stretch of match that sort of concluded with that there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But by the end of it, it was just so many laryots and so many head drops.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I didn't really feel like there was connective tissue there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I felt like they were trying to extend the time to get to a point to where they could finally say, okay, let's go home.
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[SPEAKER_01]: As a result, a very good match, but not a great match.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It again, that is going to be one of the tests with Kato.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know that I like that young dragons cut match with Bochizuki Jr., a lot more than other people did, and that is still my only match of his.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a singles match that I haven't four stars or higher.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's it's going to be interesting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's completely uncharted territory for Dragon Gate at this point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we will have to see from the dream gate picture what will shake out from that there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But as we work our way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I want to go back to the book and conversation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is I want to hold off on this for just a second because I think this is sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you to another place on the card.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll come back to the semi-man event because I definitely want to talk about the semi-man event, but match before and a wrist on this show, Reofuda versus Eshen, singles match with a stipulation that a food a win, or I'm sorry, if food a loses, he has to join Gajadokuro, if food a wins, Eshen quote has to leave him alone, which was never really defined.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't incredibly odd and arguably lazy stipulation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: food it ends up winning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He gets offered a spot in love and peace.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He then steals still turns heal and joins Gajadokro.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have a post match promo where Madoka Kukuta comes out and says that he doesn't really care about Futo one way or the other, but if Echin believes in him, then he's allowed to be in the unit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are we finally now four years after Ishan's Ishan's initial heel turn, maybe seeing the beginning of the end of Ishan and Gaja docoro.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And does this Cato versus Ishan feud?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry, does this Cato title reign in a Cato versus Ishan feud with maybe the dream gate belt going to Ishan?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, Ishan is kind of at the point
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[SPEAKER_02]: I did not like realize going in 2026 that you would be having so many heels starting back baby face potentially, but you're absolutely right with you, like he's at a time where like I was more expecting him to turn baby face than Coach Aminora earlier this year frankly and I think that that's a way that
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that that's actually probably the best case scenario, you know, I mean, you get to see a little thing taken care of, and then you go towards basically, uh, Eion just feels like that he is doing things on his own, and you know, how that it can very quickly merge into Eion getting kicked out of Gajadokoro, and then
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't see any of the baby face units making sense for my feel like he's someone that kind of almost not a team bokeh thing but he kind of needs to be singles or he needs to be unafiliated and have to like earn his way back into the good graces of the baby face roster but I I could see that now you're talking I've talked myself into this idea now
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the type of thing that I think you at least have to have the conversation of, whereas if Kato wins this title under different circumstances with a different undercard, I wouldn't bother bringing it up because then I think that would just fall under the fantasy booking category, but.
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[SPEAKER_01]: To me, the Kukuta promo meant something, and we'll have to see where it goes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I could very easily see this being the thing that eventually sinks Eashen in this unit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's been four years of Eashen as a heal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I speculated on him maybe turning baby face a little bit earlier this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the type of thing that I want specifically for him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's not that he needs a fresh coat of paint,
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[SPEAKER_01]: of a baby face, you shouldn't especially if it means maybe breaking up paradox and breaking up natural vibes, which I know every two or three months I go back and forth on if I want vibes to stay together or break up right now I'm very much at a break up on that so so much account throughout a year how many times we have called for natural vibes to break out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like in February, March, I was like, this is the unit of the future and Flamita's gonna come back later this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Flamita came in and quite frankly didn't do much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Aki and Gucci are, you know, are given nothing to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't understand why strong machine J is just a complete afterthought at this point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't I don't get it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know who that unit is serving at this point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe if you break free with those guys a little bit and you break up paradox why I'm sick of not because they are all old guys together because they are old guys that I think largely are
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[SPEAKER_01]: on interesting and the way that they are currently assembled, and you get an e-shoot baby phase unit out of it, that is something I could see being very interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think given that heavy, heavy, heavy push that E-shoot and Cato got as a tag team earlier this year, I think I can buy into the idea of an e-shoot versus Cato feud much more easily that I could buy into Cato versus Ciela at any point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I just did this yellow thing like it's going to happen because like they've made it so that it needs to happen, but I don't know not to transition into a different part on the the show also, but see a little felt so good into it in a trio with the
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know that I want a six-month Zina, a twin-gate rain, but maybe we can have them all, so I have triangle gate belts too and just have this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because my frustration with the perspective of CLO versus Cato is just how undeserved it feels like that you could constantly bring something up, but it's just not earned what so ever does not mean that it's like a payoff for a big feud.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're forcing it down and it was like your your manufacturing consent on thinking that this is a few that is a good idea, you know, like Here's here's the frustrating thing with what you just said because you're entirely right and this is not an issue.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to be very clear.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is not an issue that pertains directly to 2026 drag aid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is an issue.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that long time fans have had going back to 2016, going back to 2014, going back to 2011, pick your favorite year of Drain Gate from about 2008 and beyond, and you'll hear people complaining about this, but especially at a time in which they are essentially having an experimental dream gate run with Kato, whether they intend for that to be the case or not,
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[SPEAKER_01]: They have Zeno Stallnova.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They now have the trio that is Zeno's.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They have any combination of the love and peace guys, including the guys that are currently trying to get champions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have, whether you want to do Aki Gucci and KZ, Aki Gucci and UT, Aki Gucci and Strong Machine J, whatever it may be, in terms of whatever vibe trio you want, in paradox, whether you want to do a motto drink, kid,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Dois, Asumu, Kagatora, Dragon Kids, Asumu, Kagatora, Yamato, whatever the combination may be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If this company gave a shit at all about the triangle gate titles and while Kato was getting his footing as champion, they were leaning heavily into an actual story being told with those belts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the overall health of this promotion, which changed dramatically, but this is what people weren't getting when I was railing against the idea of Tanaka losing the brave gate belt and then being foisted off into a triangle gate scene, even if he becomes triangle gate champion this weekend, is that those belts just do not mean anything in this company.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've been watching this company for far too long,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know that the triangle gate belt mean what they mean, which is very, very little, and going from that brave gate run to a triangle gate run is objectively a step down, and for a lot of this roster right now, what they need to be doing is wrestling and outstanding trio's matches, and if those matches actually had a story or some substance behind them, I think Drangit would be in a much healthier place, I just don't think that's gonna happen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's just no interest to having any sort of care to that level like if they're not doing that level of care towards a dream and gate scene that that level of care is not going to be done further down the card whatsoever that's just not how any inclination of how this roster has made.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a frustrating thing because it is still despite over the last decade, the emergence of more trios tiles and wrestling, it is still the thing that is
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[SPEAKER_01]: associated with dragon more than any other promotion especially in Japan and they just they don't they don't do anything with those titles they just bounce from one team to another they don't really tell any stories I thought they had a chance this year with with the motto and Gucci and paradox and vibes and they opt to not tell that story instead the belt went over you could drag in and
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I have a feeling that the Zeno-stall Nova vs. Love and Peace match is going to be outstanding.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, I think it should mean of an accordion show and not a co-based sample all show, but I still think of that environment with that crowd.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's a chance that becomes a top three to five Draingate match this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just know that whoever leaves the Kobe Sama Hall show with those titles, they're not going to be any better or worse than they were going into that show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just not how those belts work now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this could be a promotion that could really lean into the interesting young trios that they have and I just don't think they're going to do that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's just at a point with this promotion where like what we want from them is just it just seems incapable of doing without like a just complete reassessment or like a Shake up where it would count there and even though that we've been calling for it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not going to happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Final note on the dream gap before we move on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who's for me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you have more, please feel free to write down this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But Dreamgate champions 2020 to now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: soon skywalker i guess well let's let we'll throw eight we'll throw this from skywalker on i'm not going to include eight and this will go from skywalker on shun skywalker yamato kai yuki Yoshiyoka shun skywalker medoka kukuta luizmante binkai yamato shun skywalker medoka kukuta kazy and Yoshiki kato that is what twelve different champions over the course of six years with
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yamato's fifth reign that 2021 reign, Yoshioka, Monte and Casey.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to count Bencakes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was only one month.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, those five guys being definitive pure baby faces during their dream gate run, I really wouldn't even give it to Yamato during his 357 day reign because there were times where he was positioned as maybe not an outright seal, but definitely is the bad guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: in some of those, those matches.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that leaves you with heel Kai, heel sky walker, tweener Yamato, heel shoon, or I guess tweener shoon, heel kukuta, and now heel kato.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is just, as a lot of heels for your main title in six years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I think that it this promotion just does not have the inclination a more outside of your motto to do a long term run because if you look at the base runs like none of them were much longer than like what six months if that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just about, you know, this is a title that's been dominated by heels now for quite a while, including, I mean, you could do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That felt for 337 days, Casey had it for 74.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And although the presentation, at least throughout this match, it was far different for Cato than it was, Cacuta.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's still the type of thing that you have to be wary of.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would just like to be able to believe in people in this promotion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And right now, Dring it is not giving me that chance.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's a shame that they don't really give you that chance when you have, like, a semi-man event with people that are wrestlers that are just as likable as the entire compliment of love and peace heo, which is wiki junior and jackie rita versus zino sol nova ryoia to naka.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Omaray and Kazuma Kamora, along with Tristan Moody, getting to some of my main events slot in his final match of the tour, just like Aya, what I thought was the best match of the show to be honest.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, God.
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[SPEAKER_02]: A absolute blast of a sprint, baby face versus a baby face.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know that the opener was the one that had the graphic for this is Dragon Gate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This one really much more felt like a lot of that in a fun closing stretch where
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[SPEAKER_02]: Jackie Kamay is able to roll through Kamora's cross arm breaker to get a Jackie knife when this semi-main event and the preview match before they're trying to get match in Kobe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we just had a 50-minute conversation at about the dream gapel where it goes, the booking of the baby faces, what we liked, what we just liked, what we're concerned about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The frustrating part in all of this is that this promotion could just mostly be matches like this eight-man tag.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In the fact that it's not, and that they've made an active choice,
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[SPEAKER_01]: for this not to be what the promotion is, especially with the roster that they currently have is nothing short of bad dig.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I will never understand it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And again, for Tristan Moody's last match in the promotion at least for this tour, he felt like he was completely like taking a command in the moment, never out of place here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it really felt like that at the end of this match, like I know that there was all the brave hate stuff afterwards.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But at the end of this match, I want it to knock at us to pull him aside and say, next time you come back to the, come back to Dragon Gate, you tour as members, you know, Saul Nova, like it felt like that you had that kind of strong enough performance to justify that for a guy that's been tour, been teeming with them all tour for him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it is so fun to see, you know, Saul Nova in the way that they have jelled in the two months
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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess, yeah, I know two months with where Kobe World was since they formed in now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: At the very least, I know like the the step back for Tanaka and all of that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: At the very least, like what we're getting love and peace versus Xenosal Nova at Kobe and a triangle gate match that the expectations I have for that are higher than I had for frankly, it many Dragon Gate big matches going forth this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am really bummed they didn't do an angle with moody at the very end of it where they said, you know, we don't know when you're going to be back in Japan next time, but when you're back, you're going to be as you know, still know the guy, I thought that was going to be the whole point of this match, and I was disappointed that that's not how it ended.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know, Jay mentioned on commentary that they are working on getting moody back, they're having those conversations.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know that moody enjoyed his time in Japan, seemed to learn a lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought he got
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[SPEAKER_01]: better by the end of this tour in a really exciting way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a shame that the US indie wrestling ecosystem is what it is right now to where if this tour happens
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, 15 years ago, obviously, it's a completely different story, but even 10 years ago.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, but 15 years ago, and the bookings are being announced while he's in Japan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the thing is that I just don't think this tour and granted this was not exactly swan or ricochet or pot coming over in the way that he was used, but true.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't, you know, I don't think this tour is going to change his standing in the company.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry, in the US, and he's seen it all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which sucks because I thought Moody was really, really fun on this tour every time that we got to see him in an opportunity to do something, and specifically his final match, I thought was his best match, he was great here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, this, if Dragon Gate was doing better, this is a tour that would be shouted out from the rooftops, like it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't even know what I would be asking of the US Indies at this point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's no other than, you know, I'm gonna mention to my friends at a W like, hey, if you're bringing in guys from the South, if you've got a car coming from Georgia, you should make sure that Tristan Moody's in that car going forward, but with no dead lock
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[SPEAKER_02]: That that that's a difficult thing is no deadlock and with the southeast and he's being kind of like I don't think he was a hails guy and that's going to be difficult for him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel don't think so no I don't look like let's just peel back the curtain a little bit in this kind of conversation that that's part of this too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: is that he was an upstate South Carolina guy that was getting like some bookings within that scene and that's not a really, it's a scene that like has produced people and it's a scene that people from it usually get to North Carolina or Georgia pretty quickly just because of how bookings work out there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like he was not necessarily someone that was on like action shows or if he was he was not one any sort of matches that were like note where they other than like he had a big match against
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I don't I don't know what the future holds for him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I know there are some conversation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was talking to somebody at the start of his tour just about sort of what the the idealized version of this would be for him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I, you know, I don't I don't think this tour did enough to get him and a you know contract out might help him get us foot in the door on a ring of honor taping or it's made of you dark matches, but I, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it was that type of tour form.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I also don't know if that type of tour is necessarily the type of thing that Drengeet can provide anymore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So,
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a, it's a very odd thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, I almost wonder if the blueprint, if you're just looking to be a full time wrestler, if you're looking for that to be your job, I wonder if the blueprint at this point kind of becomes what Titus Alexander did where he just grinded away and grinded away and now he's full time and know a living in Japan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, congrats to Titus Alexander on that, I thought his match with canoe at the start of the end one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: was excellent and I'm very bullish on Alexander and I like him on the US and he's for a while.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think him moving to Japan and being a full-time no wrestler is going to be the type of thing that eventually makes him a lot of money back in America.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, absolutely, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, selfishly because I like watching the guy wrestle, I would hope for a similar thing for Mooney.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, and like being completely honest, and this is just me, like just speculating, I don't know if necessarily Dragon Gate is the place for like, or is it in a position to do the full time, like a full time, but like what happened to tie it with Titus, you know, I don't know like that just because of the guys who have stuck around and and like with us is just does not seem that that this is a promotion that necessarily has like the appetite.
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[SPEAKER_02]: or the financial ability, maybe, you do, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would, I would think in the case of, I mean, you know, we saw it with Montaeware.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The thing that been offended him was the fact that he just never went home.
01:00:41.250 --> 01:00:43.592
[SPEAKER_01]: Now for Moody, for Visa reasons, he had to go home.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But we see going forward.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think the guys earn another tour.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can, I can live with that.
01:00:49.097 --> 01:00:51.099
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to see more of this guy in Japan.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my dream is for him to be able to move full time and just be based out of Kobe.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's run it back for him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, we've seen how good he is now.
01:01:01.840 --> 01:01:08.061
[SPEAKER_02]: And then just imagine what could happen with him a year from now if he was working full time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just, it's just interesting.
01:01:11.022 --> 01:01:18.763
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's an interesting kind of scenario to have a tour work out so well for this company right now.
01:01:19.323 --> 01:01:23.604
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like that's the thing is like it's created good problems versus bad problems.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, as for the match belt, a bell.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's important to note, juniors completely insane, arjordan dive to the floor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was the most new thing to do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've seen including Will Osprey pulling off the black guy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was one of those that it got such an honest reaction of Jay and I always really enjoy when that happens because that's a guy who's seen everything and is is I don't want to say unfazed but always has pretty measured reactions to things and every once while you get him with a move that truly catches him by surprise and I always enjoy his reaction there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that junior dive was great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: in the way that he took some of Junior strikes in that opening match, I thought that match sort of fell apart by the end of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not the case this time around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought, how Mari and Junior were excellent together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought Tanaka was just stellar down the stretch.
01:02:28.793 --> 01:02:33.474
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is the Drain Gate Ressor of 2026 and he's only pulling away from the pack at this point.
01:02:34.034 --> 01:02:35.995
[SPEAKER_01]: But to me, the star of the match was yo.
01:02:36.535 --> 01:02:40.637
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was just a painful reminder that they have this guy sitting there.
01:02:42.372 --> 01:02:42.832
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
01:02:43.493 --> 01:02:49.155
[SPEAKER_01]: I understand that he is a guy who has been in the mix.
01:02:49.175 --> 01:02:57.359
[SPEAKER_01]: He's obviously one third of the current triangle gate champions, but I don't think this is the year that Heo was destined to have.
01:02:57.399 --> 01:03:06.823
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think he's constantly making the most of just not being put in very interesting situations because he has gotten so great.
01:03:07.063 --> 01:03:07.923
[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought for all the
01:03:13.594 --> 01:03:39.162
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, like I, I want to run back 2026 specifically for heo because like I feel really strongly that coming into 2026 my expectation for him to be the 2026 king of gate was not a far fetch idea and now he just feels like he's just kind of biting time and I know that have they haven't announced seems for the new Japan junior tag league right.
01:03:39.597 --> 01:03:42.720
[SPEAKER_01]: They have not because that's normally November.
01:03:42.800 --> 01:03:43.901
[SPEAKER_01]: So we should get to the right.
01:03:43.962 --> 01:03:44.622
[SPEAKER_01]: Let the rest line.
01:03:45.063 --> 01:03:48.066
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so maybe because the king of progress is on 12.
01:03:48.746 --> 01:03:55.713
[SPEAKER_02]: By the next time we have a voice gate, we will he might be and I don't know it's called super junior tag league.
01:03:55.954 --> 01:04:01.279
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, he might be in super junior tag league by the next time like this and I might be another reason why you know, so I'll know if it's in the bill.
01:04:02.019 --> 01:04:20.090
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yeah, again, I would imagine this weekend's, you know, still no look at the belts, which again, I'm not going to be the person that complains about he'll come a reach of versus to not go home or I come more I think your expectations are super high I think my expectations are super high in the first thing I exactly and it's just the frustrating part of this promotion is that.
01:04:21.203 --> 01:04:23.164
[SPEAKER_01]: This should be the exception.
01:04:23.184 --> 01:04:25.504
[SPEAKER_01]: Your arms are, this should be the rule, not the exception.
01:04:25.544 --> 01:04:38.729
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, in just this year, they have gone in a path that I don't understand, and I don't particularly like, and I don't feel like it's representative of how great this roster is, and this was just a painful reminder that we're not getting enough matches like this.
01:04:40.467 --> 01:04:41.788
[SPEAKER_02]: No, absolutely not.
01:04:42.168 --> 01:04:50.274
[SPEAKER_02]: And speaking of the promotion, just doing bizarre things, we had the brave gate situation get laid out for us afterwards.
01:04:50.394 --> 01:04:55.658
[SPEAKER_02]: As Jackie Kamey called out Rio Saito and said, what's the deal of the brave gate now?
01:04:56.279 --> 01:04:57.620
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm interested in that belt.
01:04:58.600 --> 01:05:05.983
[SPEAKER_02]: And Reocytos announced now that their will be a tournament is not the previously traditional eight-person tournament.
01:05:06.003 --> 01:05:12.926
[SPEAKER_02]: It seems it's going to be a tournament where each unit who has a brave-gave eligible wrestler can enter one.
01:05:13.346 --> 01:05:22.990
[SPEAKER_02]: Currently we have two people who have announced their candidacy in Kameh representing love and peace and how Mara representing Zeno Solnova,
01:05:23.490 --> 01:05:27.911
[SPEAKER_02]: Notably, and we'll use this to transition into the match before this.
01:05:28.291 --> 01:05:32.892
[SPEAKER_02]: Notably, Rio Futa was a night entry into this tournament.
01:05:33.253 --> 01:05:43.315
[SPEAKER_02]: The winner of this tournament, none of the matches have been announced yet, but the winner of this tournament will face Dragon Kid who is considered interim champion at Kobe,
01:05:47.463 --> 01:06:05.469
[SPEAKER_01]: So a lot to unpack there, I will say I have to think the voices of wrestling discord of the Draingate channel for walking me through some of this stuff and making it seem a little bit more logical than the way that it was initially explained because I was quite annoyed by Dragon Kid becoming interim champion.
01:06:05.929 --> 01:06:15.052
[SPEAKER_01]: I was expecting if that were to happen for that to be announced in Sondai and they needed aftermath of this and it was not, I did not like that announcement upon first hearing it.
01:06:16.112 --> 01:06:31.019
[SPEAKER_01]: I can give them a pass, I can buy into the idea that Dragon Kid was so obviously about to retain his title before the Heal Shenanigans and Sendai that it makes sense that he is essentially just getting a buy into the finals of this tournament.
01:06:31.599 --> 01:06:33.580
[SPEAKER_01]: I can live with that, not a complaint there.
01:06:33.968 --> 01:06:42.292
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah and champions that were champions and the belt was held up in the previous have been entered into the brave gate championship tournaments afterwards.
01:06:42.432 --> 01:06:42.673
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
01:06:42.693 --> 01:06:44.554
[SPEAKER_02]: So this is not without president here.
01:06:44.794 --> 01:06:47.175
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're getting Kame from love and peace.
01:06:47.195 --> 01:06:56.680
[SPEAKER_01]: They're telling a story there where he was ticked off by dragon kid making the weekly pyro cover and that, you know, he wants his brave gate matches to be so good that they're written about a newspaper.
01:06:56.800 --> 01:06:57.660
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm on board with that.
01:06:57.700 --> 01:06:59.221
[SPEAKER_01]: I love that as a brave gate storyline.
01:06:59.241 --> 01:06:59.922
[SPEAKER_01]: I love that coming.
01:06:59.942 --> 01:07:01.462
[SPEAKER_02]: He's bringing back the press.
01:07:03.123 --> 01:07:03.664
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm into that.
01:07:04.044 --> 01:07:09.849
[SPEAKER_01]: We are getting Humara as the Zeno Stallnova representative, which I think is interesting.
01:07:10.009 --> 01:07:10.850
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm okay with it.
01:07:11.390 --> 01:07:19.257
[SPEAKER_01]: I said to you two weeks ago, I thought there was a real possibility that you have to knock a back in this tournament and they do to knock a versus dragon kid two with to knock a winning.
01:07:19.817 --> 01:07:21.519
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad we don't have to have that conversation.
01:07:21.559 --> 01:07:26.043
[SPEAKER_01]: I think a lot of people are glad that we don't have to have that conversation because they don't have to hear me talk about it anymore.
01:07:26.423 --> 01:07:27.644
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to get Humara in there.
01:07:28.204 --> 01:07:29.065
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm on board with that.
01:07:29.125 --> 01:07:29.185
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm
01:07:32.160 --> 01:07:34.881
[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't say anything about Xenus, which is interesting.
01:07:34.901 --> 01:07:36.782
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, no one in Xenus can qualify.
01:07:36.862 --> 01:07:38.963
[SPEAKER_01]: That's, that's an interesting thing there.
01:07:39.043 --> 01:07:42.984
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think technically can, but he's never been considered brave.
01:07:43.004 --> 01:07:43.405
[SPEAKER_02]: No, late.
01:07:43.705 --> 01:07:53.369
[SPEAKER_01]: And that would be the most 2026 dragon gate thing possible for them to announce a tournament where every unit gets a representative and yet one of the units can't qualify.
01:07:54.069 --> 01:07:54.850
[SPEAKER_01]: for the tournament.
01:07:54.870 --> 01:07:56.771
[SPEAKER_01]: That just feels like something that would happen there.
01:07:57.252 --> 01:08:03.917
[SPEAKER_01]: Paradox, Cogator has been very vocal about wanting to make his presence fell to that tournament and his lobbying failure for Cogator versus drinking.
01:08:03.937 --> 01:08:04.577
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm okay with that.
01:08:04.657 --> 01:08:05.618
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a joy.
01:08:05.998 --> 01:08:07.539
[SPEAKER_01]: Do I got to brave get shot earlier this year?
01:08:07.559 --> 01:08:10.202
[SPEAKER_01]: I want do I doing stuff, but it doesn't need to be the brave gate belt.
01:08:11.683 --> 01:08:13.064
[SPEAKER_02]: Cogator are given something to do.
01:08:13.184 --> 01:08:13.724
[SPEAKER_02]: There's nothing.
01:08:13.744 --> 01:08:15.225
[SPEAKER_02]: We're not looking at gift tours in the mouth.
01:08:15.386 --> 01:08:17.447
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm in favor of that.
01:08:17.927 --> 01:08:19.809
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you've got the vibes
01:08:24.128 --> 01:08:24.809
[SPEAKER_01]: is a safe pick.
01:08:24.829 --> 01:08:26.630
[SPEAKER_01]: What I think UT is a very boring pick.
01:08:27.050 --> 01:08:33.754
[SPEAKER_01]: I would be much more excited by Gucci being in that spot and we'll see what comes of it.
01:08:34.515 --> 01:08:46.083
[SPEAKER_01]: The food of thing is the part that is just so unbelievably frustrating because I don't understand how we're supposed to buy into a guy.
01:08:47.015 --> 01:08:55.440
[SPEAKER_01]: who is hard enough to buy into already because of the five years of strife and struggle and failure that we've seen him experience.
01:08:56.380 --> 01:09:02.083
[SPEAKER_01]: He has now been completely amasculated by Riosito twice within the last month.
01:09:02.243 --> 01:09:08.287
[SPEAKER_01]: And to me, that is just not an effective way of making a heal and this is an issue that American wrestling.
01:09:08.820 --> 01:09:10.362
[SPEAKER_02]: He's brought shame upon his family.
01:09:10.562 --> 01:09:12.204
[SPEAKER_02]: Like there's nothing good there.
01:09:12.704 --> 01:09:15.928
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, you know, he gets slapped in the face by Saito and Sondai.
01:09:16.588 --> 01:09:20.412
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I thought had a pretty cool presentation.
01:09:20.432 --> 01:09:25.998
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, not reinventing the wheel by any means, but I thought he had a pretty cool presentation when he came out.
01:09:26.619 --> 01:09:34.604
[SPEAKER_01]: for this post-match and had he just been put into the tournament, I think I would have been very on board with that idea.
01:09:34.624 --> 01:09:37.865
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, look, I still hate where we're at with the brave game building objectively.
01:09:37.925 --> 01:09:41.828
[SPEAKER_01]: We're, you know, we're just in a free fall with it now and now we're going to have this convoluted tournament.
01:09:41.928 --> 01:09:42.148
[SPEAKER_01]: But
01:09:44.485 --> 01:09:51.688
[SPEAKER_01]: a specifically heal real food entering the fray, I think would have been of interest to me.
01:09:51.728 --> 01:10:02.013
[SPEAKER_01]: And so now we're either gonna, we're gonna have to tell more stories, or all of a sudden we're the telling stories company, where food is gonna have to get permission to be in this tournament,
01:10:02.993 --> 01:10:05.315
[SPEAKER_01]: or he's just not going to be in it.
01:10:05.375 --> 01:10:08.077
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know which is better and I don't know which is worse.
01:10:08.857 --> 01:10:16.963
[SPEAKER_01]: It's frustrating that they are now on one hand, making it honest effort with this guy and yet they love amasculating him still.
01:10:17.023 --> 01:10:19.345
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just don't think it's doing anybody any favors.
01:10:20.646 --> 01:10:26.310
[SPEAKER_02]: And there's the aspect of, okay, they kept things clean for cocktail.
01:10:28.030 --> 01:10:34.034
[SPEAKER_02]: I have no expectation whatsoever that food is going to be any bit of a clean wrestler with us.
01:10:34.814 --> 01:10:45.901
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's going to be the sleazy weapon bag, essentially in the unit doing all the interference and all of that in his finishes and his matches are going to get really messy here.
01:10:46.601 --> 01:10:52.725
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't want to see that in a tournament to decide a new champion, you know, there's that aspect of this as well.
01:10:54.174 --> 01:10:55.175
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, oh my god.
01:10:55.215 --> 01:10:55.976
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, exactly.
01:10:56.016 --> 01:10:59.879
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, this is going to be the the lost post that's going to cheat a whole lot.
01:10:59.939 --> 01:11:04.342
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, like we've seen it time and time again, like it's Monday, where you under a different name.
01:11:05.023 --> 01:11:12.289
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this has the potential depending on how far and quite frankly, how annoying they want to be.
01:11:13.810 --> 01:11:18.974
[SPEAKER_01]: With food in this role, I mean, this this has the potential to be a.
01:11:20.205 --> 01:11:26.049
[SPEAKER_01]: a really obnoxious brave gate running a really obnoxious he'll character where you're right.
01:11:26.069 --> 01:11:31.752
[SPEAKER_01]: I was trying to rack my brain for a comp, but I think that that's probably the app to one is.
01:11:31.792 --> 01:11:35.015
[SPEAKER_01]: This is like Mondai Ryu in 2012 getting a serious push.
01:11:35.055 --> 01:11:41.779
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's, you know, that something I have a tolerance for then when the promotion was much healthier, I certainly don't have a tolerance for it now.
01:11:43.587 --> 01:11:43.887
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:11:44.168 --> 01:11:55.777
[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, it's something where similar to Bang Bang Paro that it's like, OK, you've been in this promotion for five years.
01:11:55.797 --> 01:11:57.998
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is what they want to do with you.
01:11:58.098 --> 01:12:00.320
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the hand that you're adult.
01:12:00.600 --> 01:12:04.944
[SPEAKER_02]: And like, Bang Bang Paro, basically, being like, if you want to be on this roster, you've got to be clowns.
01:12:05.284 --> 01:12:08.607
[SPEAKER_02]: If you want to be on this roster, you've got to be the lost post.
01:12:08.627 --> 01:12:09.988
[SPEAKER_02]: You've got to be at XYZ.
01:12:10.068 --> 01:12:10.508
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just
01:12:13.318 --> 01:12:26.223
[SPEAKER_02]: that like, where is your pride and like looking around the wrestling world, like why they're they aren't seeing the other pastures necessarily because like this is not a great move for Reofuda.
01:12:26.243 --> 01:12:38.849
[SPEAKER_02]: If this was, and to be fair, he had the entry snake fitness like that is something that should be considered in this conversation that like Fuda, he is someone who had significant
01:12:42.930 --> 01:12:45.951
[SPEAKER_02]: this isn't 2023 for him.
01:12:46.251 --> 01:12:48.012
[SPEAKER_02]: This isn't 2024 for him.
01:12:48.152 --> 01:13:06.179
[SPEAKER_02]: So the fact that he's going to be this role that, like, especially in a world where, like, you've put the thought in my mind now, that Asian might be on the way out there, there's going to be a need for someone to to kind of be that kind of position, and it's probably going to be foodah.
01:13:07.574 --> 01:13:26.106
[SPEAKER_01]: I think so, you know, I mean, I thought food was excellent in the match with with Isha and I thought this was one of the best, it was the best, it was the best non-Mochazuki match and it was for me like the closest he's gotten to a four star match without having a match against Mochazuki and in legitimately very, very good.
01:13:26.326 --> 01:13:30.208
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, this was, I mean, this was Isha having a really good Isha night, but I thought food
01:13:34.743 --> 01:13:34.943
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
01:13:35.023 --> 01:13:37.246
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I mean, this was good.
01:13:37.406 --> 01:13:37.967
[SPEAKER_02]: It was solid.
01:13:37.987 --> 01:13:39.028
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it was like notable.
01:13:39.108 --> 01:13:44.575
[SPEAKER_02]: But this was a match that didn't really have heel shenanigans and it whatsoever as well.
01:13:45.056 --> 01:13:46.918
[SPEAKER_02]: And that was kind of interesting with that.
01:13:47.258 --> 01:13:52.244
[SPEAKER_02]: But for God's adokero being this heel unit that has not.
01:13:53.986 --> 01:14:05.752
[SPEAKER_02]: given the ability to succeed, I think you would take this as a day that if you want to be very positive about the show, I am positive about this cork in case.
01:14:07.673 --> 01:14:17.938
[SPEAKER_02]: A topic of discussion should be that Godja Dokegrove coming out of the show, there is an opportunity for a big kind of reset going on here, especially given
01:14:18.378 --> 01:14:23.442
[SPEAKER_02]: How got to Toker, I was treated on this Corrican versus all previous Corricans in 2020, six.
01:14:24.163 --> 01:14:34.791
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and they also got time on the undercard, which I wrote about last month about how they had all these sub five-minute matches, and here they were actually given a little bit of room to work with, and that ended up being a pretty fun match as well.
01:14:35.491 --> 01:14:35.752
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
01:14:35.792 --> 01:14:36.032
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:14:36.072 --> 01:14:40.215
[SPEAKER_02]: So unless you have anything more on food, uh, niche, and we can get to that one.
01:14:40.315 --> 01:14:45.079
[SPEAKER_01]: The only thing that I didn't like about this was, I mean, I guess there's two things here.
01:14:47.808 --> 01:14:54.334
[SPEAKER_01]: This is where I'm going to take a positive and food and make it a negative for a second, but it's the level of scrutiny that I think Dringy deserve in 2026.
01:14:55.375 --> 01:14:59.359
[SPEAKER_01]: The way we got here was preposterous, you know, this is not.
01:15:00.537 --> 01:15:11.480
[SPEAKER_01]: not going to go down as a memorable angle where Fuda is fighting for the right to have each and leave him alone, only to have him in the same unit.
01:15:11.620 --> 01:15:12.981
[SPEAKER_01]: That doesn't make any sense.
01:15:14.201 --> 01:15:16.502
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they'd justify it in any way.
01:15:16.522 --> 01:15:18.122
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like it.
01:15:19.803 --> 01:15:26.565
[SPEAKER_01]: The other thing that I don't like is that when loving peace offered Fuda a spot in the unit,
01:15:27.903 --> 01:15:39.068
[SPEAKER_01]: Buddha kicks Rita, Gajadoka comes back out and I thought it was odd that the rest of love and peace back to off the way that they did.
01:15:39.128 --> 01:15:49.113
[SPEAKER_01]: That this didn't descend into melee, this descended into food a sort of having his way with Rita momentarily, and nobody else really being able to stop it.
01:15:49.133 --> 01:15:52.195
[SPEAKER_01]: But when I just thought it was a very odd thing that love and peace were on the floor,
01:15:53.417 --> 01:15:55.800
[SPEAKER_01]: watching retake it dissected the way that he did.
01:15:55.820 --> 01:15:59.544
[SPEAKER_01]: So I, I did not like the overall story of this angle.
01:15:59.664 --> 01:16:01.806
[SPEAKER_01]: I did not like the execution of the post-match angle.
01:16:02.307 --> 01:16:04.669
[SPEAKER_01]: I did however, really like food of versus ishen.
01:16:05.170 --> 01:16:09.214
[SPEAKER_01]: And both in the case of ishen and fooda, I am curious to see where they go from here.
01:16:09.294 --> 01:16:11.977
[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess a net neutral overall.
01:16:13.360 --> 01:16:34.565
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, it's movement and the that is kind of where I go to that's like, okay, now we get food Actually doing something of consequence and but it's five years after we were that that we are introduced to him in several years after I felt like it was kind of expected of him for that But speaking of God should do grow getting more time they got more time because it was against
01:16:34.945 --> 01:16:50.267
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, the newly three-person unit of Zenith, Yuki Yoshiyoka, Kota Minora, and out LCLO, versus Medokka Kakuya Kai and Jason Lee, it was LCLO heading the spinning tombstone on Jason to get the win.
01:16:51.147 --> 01:17:04.074
[SPEAKER_02]: So even though that Gajidokro lost here, like this is kind of what you was to be expected here, but this was the time you had the heel fighting around the arena.
01:17:04.094 --> 01:17:10.598
[SPEAKER_02]: It was not during the dream gate, it was not during food of our season, it was during the undercard truce match, which I thought was kind of entering.
01:17:11.367 --> 01:17:13.068
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I thought C. L.O.
01:17:13.108 --> 01:17:14.689
[SPEAKER_01]: of Menor and Yoshio could look great.
01:17:14.709 --> 01:17:25.894
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's a chance that the legacy of Zina Thins up, just becoming this massive rehab project for guys that need it, because I'm so much higher on Yoshio, than I was the dying days of decourage.
01:17:25.915 --> 01:17:29.116
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so much higher on Menor than I was during his last days in Gasha, D.O.
01:17:29.136 --> 01:17:33.478
[SPEAKER_01]: Coro, and this seemed to be sort of a life-preserver for C. L.O.
01:17:33.518 --> 01:17:36.440
[SPEAKER_01]: as well, and I thought all three of those guys pass the flying colors here.
01:17:37.804 --> 01:17:41.851
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I just want to see a load of being hanging out with them and doing fun trails matches for a while.
01:17:41.911 --> 01:17:44.576
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't need to see him thrust into a dream game.
01:17:44.817 --> 01:17:47.021
[SPEAKER_01]: Not a dream game guy and there's nothing wrong with that right now.
01:17:47.041 --> 01:17:50.767
[SPEAKER_01]: He might be one day, but you're he's he's fun trails match guy right now.
01:17:51.510 --> 01:18:00.237
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, why you got to burn off the, uh, the, the, the, the supposed, uh, uh, uh, of TN revolution versus Cato thing.
01:18:00.257 --> 01:18:01.638
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't need to do that just yet.
01:18:01.818 --> 01:18:04.660
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, well, like, give it time, give it time.
01:18:05.140 --> 01:18:13.307
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, so, uh, that before this was already, we can declare this, the 20, 20, six Laguna Cata Dragon Gate match of the year.
01:18:13.727 --> 01:18:37.100
[SPEAKER_02]: Masaki mojizuki, teams of conetro rai versus Yamato and Kaka Tora, and a grit fest was one when Kaka Tora drops the elbow drop from the top onto conetro rai who had Yamato deep into a figure for this Yamato reverse it, getting this submission in a match that was all
01:18:40.102 --> 01:19:01.156
[SPEAKER_01]: what would a permit yamano and caca to our tag team look like and why have we never really done that this is my biggest complaint with paradox is we sawn rate a prehouse a few years ago that yamano and susumu were a great tag team we did get i think i don't want to say enough because i could always use more but we did get the success in a real way
01:19:02.137 --> 01:19:05.341
[SPEAKER_01]: of Dragon Kid and Neruki Doid together.
01:19:05.721 --> 01:19:11.928
[SPEAKER_01]: But now you're right, we have this Yamato Cagatorate team too, and it's like, why are we getting the worst version of Paradox?
01:19:11.948 --> 01:19:15.351
[SPEAKER_01]: Because outside of Hulk, none of these guys are washed.
01:19:15.732 --> 01:19:23.901
[SPEAKER_01]: They can all still go, and there's some really unexplored combinations of guys here, and we're not exploring those combinations enough.
01:19:25.439 --> 01:19:33.580
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, if we're not going to explore these combinations, and why do we have the veterans of import all hanging out together and not spread throughout units?
01:19:34.161 --> 01:19:35.221
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's so odd.
01:19:35.621 --> 01:19:45.322
[SPEAKER_01]: I do not really understand it at all, but as I wrote in my review, I think this would have been a super cool match in Kobe, symbol hall.
01:19:45.442 --> 01:19:50.463
[SPEAKER_01]: I think this would have fit right at home and lap as hall when they were doing, you know,
01:19:54.774 --> 01:19:58.237
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's cool that they did this match at Corkin.
01:19:58.257 --> 01:20:02.782
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is not your standard Dragon Gate Cork and Hall of Match.
01:20:02.822 --> 01:20:12.652
[SPEAKER_01]: I actually feel at times they avoid doing matches like this in Cork and it on shows bigger than this, but I was, I wasn't thrilled by this for what it was.
01:20:12.712 --> 01:20:15.134
[SPEAKER_01]: I would love to see a little bit more of this on the undercard.
01:20:16.581 --> 01:20:20.846
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like, if you're booking Canitra or Rye, this is why you book Canitra or Rye.
01:20:20.906 --> 01:20:25.251
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't book them to do, like, the 10-man Tory Mod Generation Tads.
01:20:25.612 --> 01:20:30.137
[SPEAKER_02]: You book them because you want to have them do an interesting grappling kind of match.
01:20:30.457 --> 01:20:31.439
[SPEAKER_02]: And you've got that here.
01:20:31.459 --> 01:20:31.879
[SPEAKER_02]: And...
01:20:32.760 --> 01:20:36.501
[SPEAKER_02]: It was just fun, they aspect that clearly Yamato was going to be up for it.
01:20:36.541 --> 01:20:44.362
[SPEAKER_02]: Mochizuki always kind of there for this kind of match, but Kaga Tora just felt like, oh yeah, this is what we're doing.
01:20:44.502 --> 01:21:00.145
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm here for this and I'm going to drop an elbow and we're going to make that into the finish in it, it rolled like this, that I'm coming out of this, like we want to do like a dragon gate sanity check, like weirdly, I feel a lot more positive coming out of this cork and
01:21:00.645 --> 01:21:10.278
[SPEAKER_02]: Then I feel like the first 50 minutes of this show what it make people believe, but this was just a good time under guard tag like proper use of time here.
01:21:11.457 --> 01:21:19.743
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought the finish was awesome, which our can has the model in a figure for a leg lock, which obviously exposes our can with his back on the mat.
01:21:20.043 --> 01:21:23.065
[SPEAKER_01]: So Cogator does his leaping elbow drop, which looks incredible.
01:21:23.446 --> 01:21:27.008
[SPEAKER_01]: And that lets you model reverse the figure for an arc in taps.
01:21:27.028 --> 01:21:30.311
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's one of the only times I've ever seen anybody tap from the figure for a counter.
01:21:30.871 --> 01:21:31.832
[SPEAKER_01]: But it looked awesome.
01:21:31.852 --> 01:21:44.898
[SPEAKER_01]: I was such a unique finish again, just a breath of fresh air match where I think this would have been a breath of fresh air in New Japan, all Japan, Noah, DDT, Dragon Gate, 10 root project, Glate, whatever it may be.
01:21:44.938 --> 01:21:45.859
[SPEAKER_01]: This was just a time of match.
01:21:45.899 --> 01:21:47.840
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't see a lot of it, but I thought it was really fun.
01:21:49.278 --> 01:21:50.319
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm with you on that.
01:21:51.099 --> 01:21:54.901
[SPEAKER_02]: Before this, we had the Open the War, I gave Championship Match.
01:21:55.302 --> 01:22:13.393
[SPEAKER_02]: Send Shen Secura, Haraota versus Jerochen Bosch, it was a very long match, a comedy match between the two of them, big highlights with Jero just basically just doing spots to himself so that he can get a reaction.
01:22:14.333 --> 01:22:15.293
[SPEAKER_02]: They bunked their heads.
01:22:15.313 --> 01:22:16.314
[SPEAKER_02]: They do a double pen.
01:22:16.354 --> 01:22:17.314
[SPEAKER_02]: This was kind of dumb.
01:22:17.674 --> 01:22:22.635
[SPEAKER_02]: Harota wins retains the belt here and this was about 15 minutes of fun.
01:22:24.116 --> 01:22:25.736
[SPEAKER_01]: And after that, it was the opening match.
01:22:25.776 --> 01:22:27.196
[SPEAKER_01]: It was Dren Kidd and Rukidois.
01:22:27.256 --> 01:22:31.597
[SPEAKER_01]: Sumia Koska, Luis Monteverse, Gucci, Strang Machine, JUT and Posh Tamanaga.
01:22:32.258 --> 01:22:35.238
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is where I got sad that Rukidois had given more to do.
01:22:36.099 --> 01:22:37.319
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I mean,
01:22:39.001 --> 01:23:03.184
[SPEAKER_02]: at J going like you assholes when they started playing fear and loathing in Las Vegas like after the pack 10 bell or 10 ring solutes to start the show was just like poor dragon kid like really going through it with this one but it was just a good time match it felt like Monte was more useful in this or the felt like that Monte was more of a part of a team here.
01:23:03.904 --> 01:23:07.926
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, you got a lot of Tom and Aga, but I felt like you got good Tom and Aga was great.
01:23:07.986 --> 01:23:08.867
[SPEAKER_01]: It was him and Dory.
01:23:08.907 --> 01:23:10.908
[SPEAKER_01]: I, you're Dory's the Tom and Aga whisperer.
01:23:12.469 --> 01:23:15.850
[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, you had the fun and her play with like him with like natural vibes.
01:23:15.871 --> 01:23:17.171
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, and him doing the dance.
01:23:17.191 --> 01:23:18.712
[SPEAKER_02]: Like that was like, I'm like, okay.
01:23:18.732 --> 01:23:20.353
[SPEAKER_02]: This is another fun cork and thing.
01:23:20.433 --> 01:23:24.395
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, when you look at this showcase, this is a reel.
01:23:25.015 --> 01:23:30.678
[SPEAKER_02]: For 2026 Dragongate Sanders, this was a pretty strong cork and it was another one of
01:23:33.248 --> 01:23:42.078
[SPEAKER_01]: it is unfortunate that we're in this position, but sometimes leaving a show feeling neutral is better than what we've been given for most of this year.
01:23:42.659 --> 01:23:50.388
[SPEAKER_01]: And so again, you have the entirety of the food situation where I think you have some nonsensical booking but a step in the right direction.
01:23:50.428 --> 01:23:52.050
[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll call that a net neutral.
01:23:52.670 --> 01:24:00.156
[SPEAKER_01]: I think love and peace in Zeno Stallnova was so good, but so frustrating because we don't get more of it that we'll call that neutral.
01:24:00.596 --> 01:24:14.046
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think counter versus KZ was so bold and so wildly unpredictable that it made it really hard to analyze quite honestly because I do think it was even more unexpected a result than the Kai result in 2021.
01:24:16.080 --> 01:24:18.605
[SPEAKER_01]: And as a result of that, I'm not crazy about it.
01:24:18.706 --> 01:24:19.307
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't hate it.
01:24:19.808 --> 01:24:21.852
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I'm neutral on a lot of this show.
01:24:21.912 --> 01:24:24.497
[SPEAKER_01]: And that is unfortunately in 2026 a bit of a win.
01:24:27.592 --> 01:24:27.832
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:24:28.253 --> 01:24:45.567
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think looking at the show from like a star rating perspective, the way that things have gone for these cork ends with we both had one notebook match in two or three that were threatening and that's just something that hasn't necessarily come come by very very recently in this promotion too.
01:24:45.827 --> 01:24:46.067
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
01:24:46.228 --> 01:24:46.428
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:24:46.468 --> 01:24:51.372
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, that A band tag was everything that Drengey can and should be and they make an active choice to not do that.
01:24:51.970 --> 01:24:57.734
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, and what a just again great final note for moody on that tour.
01:24:59.095 --> 01:25:03.178
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's run through the double header in Kobe, Sombo Hall.
01:25:03.198 --> 01:25:07.261
[SPEAKER_02]: We have two shows coming up this weekend on the 10th and 11th, the 11th show.
01:25:08.422 --> 01:25:17.649
[SPEAKER_02]: is sponsored by the I, the IFC for corporations and with a theme of fortune for everyone through a connections and real estate.
01:25:17.949 --> 01:25:25.694
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's what who is who bought the show for Sunday, but the Saturday show is a pretty fascinating card.
01:25:25.714 --> 01:25:26.535
[SPEAKER_02]: We open up with
01:25:26.975 --> 01:25:35.040
[SPEAKER_02]: Zenith vs. Natural Vibes from MachineJKZ and UT match 2, Ultimo is back and he's teaming with Giro vs. Mochi Fuji.
01:25:35.460 --> 01:25:48.229
[SPEAKER_02]: Match 3 is Mochizuki Junior vs. Guchi, match 4 Yamato and Luis Monte vs. Echin and Reofuta, and Futus televised Gajadokuro debut, semi-final
01:25:55.513 --> 01:26:01.957
[SPEAKER_02]: Kakuta, Kai, and Jason Elie, and your main event on the Saturday show is for the Open the Triangle Gate Champions.
01:26:02.318 --> 01:26:11.484
[SPEAKER_02]: You're a hundredth champion team of love and peace, yo, Jackie Kamay and Rita versus your challengers of Xenosal Nova of Ryoia Tanaka,
01:26:14.135 --> 01:26:17.736
[SPEAKER_01]: So things to note on this show, you and I are both super excited about the main event.
01:26:17.756 --> 01:26:23.199
[SPEAKER_01]: This is probably as excited as you and I could get about a main event in Kobe, Sombo Hall.
01:26:23.479 --> 01:26:24.439
[SPEAKER_01]: Match 5.
01:26:25.380 --> 01:26:26.800
[SPEAKER_02]: Kato Kappa Psa Sumo.
01:26:26.860 --> 01:26:28.641
[SPEAKER_01]: That's you read in my mind.
01:26:28.701 --> 01:26:31.302
[SPEAKER_01]: Kato Kaka Kuta Kai Jason versus Drank.
01:26:31.322 --> 01:26:33.343
[SPEAKER_01]: Kid Bb Holksosumi Koska Kagatora.
01:26:34.243 --> 01:26:41.806
[SPEAKER_01]: We could very easily find ourselves with Sassumo, at least aligning himself for a possible dream gate challenge after that match.
01:26:41.826 --> 01:26:43.087
[SPEAKER_01]: That's something to keep an eye on there.
01:26:43.787 --> 01:26:47.090
[SPEAKER_01]: Yamato and Mantei vs. Yashina Food is just a fascinating match on paper.
01:26:47.110 --> 01:26:48.651
[SPEAKER_01]: I have no idea what that's going to look like.
01:26:49.131 --> 01:26:52.454
[SPEAKER_01]: And on a personal level most spooky junior vs. Gucci is my type of thing.
01:26:52.494 --> 01:26:53.835
[SPEAKER_01]: So I like that quite a bit.
01:26:54.932 --> 01:26:55.633
[SPEAKER_02]: The opener, too.
01:26:55.853 --> 01:26:59.615
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's fun to see Zenith as a three a person group.
01:26:59.736 --> 01:27:04.599
[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, they're not doing anything with at least two of the three members of natural labs.
01:27:04.619 --> 01:27:06.360
[SPEAKER_02]: So you might as well get a good match out of them.
01:27:06.400 --> 01:27:08.802
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the Jero match is the only thing.
01:27:08.842 --> 01:27:12.545
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not objectively outright super looking forward to.
01:27:12.585 --> 01:27:22.432
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, this is as excited I feel like for a co-way, some of the hall show as I have been since Ray Day per A House of War, the Gay To Me on Asia.
01:27:22.632 --> 01:27:23.433
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely.
01:27:24.025 --> 01:27:30.589
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot to the Saturday night show and the IFC corporation sponsored show the next days.
01:27:31.969 --> 01:27:36.552
[SPEAKER_02]: It's an interesting show, a lot of random stuff happening here.
01:27:37.092 --> 01:27:39.734
[SPEAKER_02]: We open with Jackie Camay versus Rita.
01:27:40.174 --> 01:27:43.496
[SPEAKER_02]: Six man tag, Bang Bang Paro has a new member.
01:27:44.136 --> 01:27:49.762
[SPEAKER_02]: It is Joker Candy, and he's going up against Medokaka Kukuta, Kai and Jason Lee.
01:27:50.102 --> 01:27:54.206
[SPEAKER_02]: The Royal Samba is a 100,000 yen prize this time.
01:27:54.646 --> 01:28:03.334
[SPEAKER_02]: It's Ultimo, UT, Aki, Kaka Tora, Mochizuki, Jr. Kazuma Kamura, Punch Somanaga, Takashi, Monday Ryu, and Sachi Hoka Boy.
01:28:04.175 --> 01:28:15.619
[SPEAKER_02]: Match 4, Genki Horiguchi, Susumi, Yukosuka, Nurukitoi, versus the Strong Machine Army, Strong Machine J, Strong Machine F, and a new one called Strong Machine GM.
01:28:16.140 --> 01:28:23.342
[SPEAKER_02]: Some of my final Yuki Yoshiyoka, Kota Minora, and LCLO, versus BB Hulk, Kazy, and Luis Monte.
01:28:23.763 --> 01:28:27.024
[SPEAKER_02]: And your main event, a 6-man 3-way tag,
01:28:27.504 --> 01:28:37.909
[SPEAKER_02]: Mixed Units, Yamato, Hio, Hamari, versus Dragon Kid, Ryo Yatsunaka, Guchi, versus Gacha Doke, Ryo Shiki, Kato, Yishin, and Rhea Fuda.
01:28:39.389 --> 01:28:40.470
[SPEAKER_01]: This show looks awful.
01:28:42.811 --> 01:28:50.074
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of weird stuff happening on this show, which either means it's going to be a lot of fun, or it's just going to be rude.
01:28:50.274 --> 01:28:51.135
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you're right.
01:28:51.775 --> 01:28:53.416
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's going to be just okay.
01:28:54.548 --> 01:28:59.920
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, look, maybe maybe the main event's awesome, maybe come a versus retis super fun.
01:29:00.060 --> 01:29:04.429
[SPEAKER_01]: The rest of that show, that two, three, four.
01:29:05.713 --> 01:29:24.141
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the bad time clowns about a royal in a strong machine's match can get in the fucking bin that is a horrible stretch of match and I don't particularly love the semi-main KZ and Monta fine, but throwing them in with whole.
01:29:24.161 --> 01:29:24.361
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
01:29:24.661 --> 01:29:25.161
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
01:29:25.641 --> 01:29:26.602
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
01:29:27.842 --> 01:29:30.043
[SPEAKER_01]: This is not a show that I'm looking forward to watching
01:29:31.086 --> 01:29:36.112
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it for me it's the opener in the amount of that like there are two three and four.
01:29:36.612 --> 01:29:47.545
[SPEAKER_02]: I imagine if you are a someone who goes to the shows in Kobe you're going to probably have a good time with matches two three and four, but I will not.
01:29:48.426 --> 01:29:51.127
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's not for us, not for us though.
01:29:51.147 --> 01:29:57.950
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you have Kato in that position in that main event.
01:29:58.470 --> 01:30:00.871
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no big names kind of jumping out for you there.
01:30:00.891 --> 01:30:03.192
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think they would go back to your motto so soon.
01:30:03.472 --> 01:30:09.975
[SPEAKER_02]: But so I guess you more go for a good time three way six man tag and that's fine.
01:30:10.255 --> 01:30:13.857
[SPEAKER_02]: And and Kamey versus Rita does feel like something you would see on a prize up.
01:30:14.867 --> 01:30:16.187
[SPEAKER_01]: That match isn't a being a blast.
01:30:16.227 --> 01:30:17.468
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how much time they're going to get.
01:30:17.508 --> 01:30:19.068
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what the tone of the match is going to be.
01:30:19.228 --> 01:30:19.768
[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll say.
01:30:19.808 --> 01:30:20.088
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:30:20.448 --> 01:30:20.888
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:30:20.908 --> 01:30:21.388
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:30:21.408 --> 01:30:22.309
[SPEAKER_02]: And who knows.
01:30:22.349 --> 01:30:25.789
[SPEAKER_02]: We might find out about all kinds of new real estate listings.
01:30:26.189 --> 01:30:29.530
[SPEAKER_02]: I've not clicked on this link to the IFC corporation website.
01:30:29.970 --> 01:30:31.450
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah.
01:30:31.530 --> 01:30:34.531
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's a real estate conference concern.
01:30:34.551 --> 01:30:38.492
[SPEAKER_02]: You have a lot of properties that you can rent around.
01:30:39.353 --> 01:30:40.874
[SPEAKER_02]: Kyoto, there's a couple here.
01:30:40.974 --> 01:30:42.234
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's all across Japan.
01:30:42.354 --> 01:30:44.055
[SPEAKER_02]: You have Sendai, you have Sapporo.
01:30:45.335 --> 01:30:51.778
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Ichiboncho, Shinjuku, Geez, the Shinjuku one is expensive.
01:30:52.198 --> 01:31:03.863
[SPEAKER_02]: So I guess we might have another potential sponge guy on our hands, but I know IFC Corporation has sponsored like the apron for years now and has the pad.
01:31:03.943 --> 01:31:05.784
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's an established relationship,
01:31:06.784 --> 01:31:09.486
[SPEAKER_02]: who's to say what that means for in that work show there.
01:31:10.467 --> 01:31:33.226
[SPEAKER_01]: Final note, before I get out of here, we talked about my Wrestling Observer Newsletter Hall of Fame article on the career of Kenta two weeks ago, I said that would that would be up very soon, that article is officially up on voices of wrestling.com at this title, if not Kenta then who this is an extremely thorough look into the entire career
01:31:35.608 --> 01:31:54.812
[SPEAKER_01]: everything notable from about 2,000 to 2,000 20 when the pandemic hits new Japan and I think after that his career sort of permanently changed, but it is perhaps the longest thing I've ever written for voices of wrestling dot com, if not then it is second to the Hommata obituary, but a lot of work went into this.
01:31:54.892 --> 01:31:58.713
[SPEAKER_01]: I spent months writing this not consecutively, but it was a
01:32:01.413 --> 01:32:12.061
[SPEAKER_01]: left it alone for a little bit came back, left it alone for a little bit came back and now it's now it's up and so if you were somebody that enjoys the rest of them is over news that are hall of fame.
01:32:12.481 --> 01:32:17.405
[SPEAKER_01]: I would highly recommend giving that a read sit down grab a drink.
01:32:17.945 --> 01:32:22.629
[SPEAKER_01]: So it takes some time to read, but I think it's worth it and hopefully we all vote for Kent on this year's hall of fame.
01:32:23.663 --> 01:32:30.628
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I probably, I, this dropped out like an evil time of the day, by the way, because I guess.
01:32:30.868 --> 01:32:36.151
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, it looked like right at a time for me where I'm like, okay, I'm getting myself ready for the show.
01:32:36.451 --> 01:32:38.173
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm the one who feeds the dogs in the evening.
01:32:38.553 --> 01:32:40.034
[SPEAKER_02]: Pudges been going through some stuff.
01:32:40.054 --> 01:32:41.715
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm like, focus on this and I see this.
01:32:41.815 --> 01:32:48.179
[SPEAKER_02]: And I only got through the ROH stuff reading earlier, but it's incredible stuff.
01:32:48.659 --> 01:32:51.761
[SPEAKER_02]: It's really worth out of your way to check this out there.
01:32:52.762 --> 01:33:13.795
[SPEAKER_02]: We have a bit of a programming note for what's going to be coming out in the feed over the next few days, things because of the passing a pack that kind of threw a wrench into our programming plans to finish out September, but to kick off this month, we're going to have you're going to be hearing a bunch from us from next week.
01:33:14.434 --> 01:33:15.755
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, do have some of those days.
01:33:15.875 --> 01:33:17.516
[SPEAKER_01]: We are recording that this weekend.
01:33:17.536 --> 01:33:19.678
[SPEAKER_01]: The plan is for it to be up on Monday.
01:33:20.118 --> 01:33:24.362
[SPEAKER_01]: And then we will have coverage from these two co-based summer haul shows next week at our regular time.
01:33:24.382 --> 01:33:27.524
[SPEAKER_01]: So you'll get a double dose of boys getting next week, the return of those days.
01:33:27.664 --> 01:33:32.968
[SPEAKER_01]: And I believe November, once again, just like last year, is a pretty light month for the network.
01:33:33.389 --> 01:33:36.971
[SPEAKER_01]: So hopefully we can start to blitz through some of these more episodes before the end of the calendar year.
01:33:37.412 --> 01:33:38.833
[SPEAKER_01]: We will cover the last bit.
01:33:39.433 --> 01:33:48.701
[SPEAKER_01]: of 1996, and then as I keep on telling people, when we move into 97 to 98, that is when some fascinating stories occur.
01:33:48.721 --> 01:33:56.247
[SPEAKER_01]: And specifically, Sasuke is 1997 and how he misplays every card he's dealt is something that is really interesting.
01:33:56.267 --> 01:33:57.468
[SPEAKER_01]: So now is your warning.
01:33:58.048 --> 01:34:03.733
[SPEAKER_01]: If you are behind on those days, you've got a chance, you've got a few days to catch up, watch some footage,
01:34:08.693 --> 01:34:13.378
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep, that's what we have coming up from us here at Open the Voice Gate.
01:34:13.518 --> 01:34:16.521
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's going to do it for this edition of the show.
01:34:16.561 --> 01:34:19.844
[SPEAKER_02]: You can follow us on social media at Open Voice Gate.
01:34:19.924 --> 01:34:21.646
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01:34:22.026 --> 01:34:24.529
[SPEAKER_02]: Cases that underscore in your case on Twitter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm at Fuji Hay of two eyes like Don Fuji on Twitter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's also the voices of wrestling discord.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you want to keep up with the show, that's where the
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[SPEAKER_02]: Dragon Gate Channel, reacting to the big surprise of Yoshiki Kotobing, the new Open the Dream Gate Champion, and as the pack memorial stuff has come out over the last few weeks, has come out a lot of stuff has been posted there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Shea Movers' Pack from 2012 is going up on the gay or a YouTube channel tomorrow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's going to be a fun thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: other kind of updates about Pack as I'm kind of posted there too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So there's the Dragon Gate Channel as well as the Open the Voice Gate Channel.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's where we never we have those days that's where we post our footage that we review there are big spreadsheet that case has of all of our historical contents on there and then whenever there's a programming node or some sort of update usually the best way that's way to keep up with the show is through the discord on that channel and that's going to do it for us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This week, we'll be back with you early next week with those days.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Take care everyone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Bye.