428 Super J-Cast Destruction in Kobe Review

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hello everybody, and welcome to the Super Jackpot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: My job, joined by David McDonald.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is Thursday the first of October, 26.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is episode 428, a very quiet week, David.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Not much to talk about today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, nothing, nothing, nothing up your sleeve today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, part of the complete collapse.
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[SPEAKER_02]: of the footballing world as we know it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was going to be a nice and eventful international break, where I could not watch the England Games and get all the nice updates about all the Arsenal players getting injured, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: But it's all gone to shit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The whole thing's gone up in flames.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's mad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're sitting there, you're sitting there holding the torch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He said, stoking fired.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you, if you wheel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, big, that was pretty big news, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Pretty big, pretty, pretty significant news in the world of sport when it comes to ethics and You know, doing a watch right looks like they looked like they were just one club over there Wasn't one quite doing things by the books so to speak or they were making their own books correct me very wrong
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[SPEAKER_02]: They were cook in the books, the books were in the oven at 200 degrees Celsius in a delicious marinade and they were being well and truly cooked so everyone's getting the taste.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so catch people up that might not get what's happening.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have a bit of a scandal on our hands in the Premier League, where Manchester City, who has a world-deroost for quite a few years, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And during those dominant years, like I correct me for a long time, they were just Hoover and up every good player from every fucking league, and they had a blank check.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the money that they were able to use for two sign staff players, the best of the best.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's based off of their income from the club, correct?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that necessarily from outside sources, am I reading that right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's essentially it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So there are rules in place in the Premier League about where the money comes from.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the logic there is that it's supposed to protect clubs from themselves, because if we quite a few clubs who have
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[SPEAKER_02]: just made very, very risky short-term investments and just cloud loads of money into the club with the aim of short-term success.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that has caused them a lot of problems long-term and the clubs, some clubs have gone out of business, some have gone into financial administration, been relegated in face penalties to reductions, things like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, it's an existential threat to the club when that sort of thing happens.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So these rules are there for that reason, just so, you know,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Clubs can't go mad and just spunkload of money and then threaten the long-term future of the club now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There are arguments amongst fans whether or not those rules are fair, but that's what they're there for.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And without those rules, it was happening.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Clubs would get themselves into a lot of trouble.
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[SPEAKER_02]: the rules are, which everyone's signed up for, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: The rules are that the money you spend has to be money that you have earned through sponsorship or, you know, commercial deals or prize money or place else, things like that, rather than money that's just come out of your own as pocket because, you know, if it's stuff coming out your own as pocket, then if they, you know, get bored and decide they want to leave and sell the club, whatever, it can
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[SPEAKER_02]: debts at the comp, pay or refinance.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's what happened basically.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So from 2009 onwards,
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[SPEAKER_02]: city have been falsified well basically committing corporate fraud on an industrial scale, where they've been lying about where the money came from and pretending that they were from sponsorship deals and companies, often companies that they didn't actually exist, there's a very funny thing, people who've sort of followed up some of these companies that city have claimed to have sponsored them and it's like the website has just got one page and two employees
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[SPEAKER_02]: that people might sound like on selling picture frames on Amazon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know if you're going to Amazon by a picture frame, there's like a stock photo in there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Those are the employees of these clubs that are spending hundreds and hundreds of millions of pounds financing Man City.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We should have, I think we all kind of knew what was going on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But there wasn't any outright proof of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was just ridiculous things like
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[SPEAKER_02]: they'd never been in the Champions League before.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then like two years later, I think this might have even been before or after one year of being in the Champions League, they were reporting commercial revenue higher than Real Madrid, like the most successful football team, like most close.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know who they are.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Strongest brand on the planet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, yeah, I was just the same as it was.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay, cool.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I like after the COVID year, where everybody's income was just
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[SPEAKER_02]: or it's knees because obviously there were no fans at the stadium and the TV revenue dropped and the income was just a fraction of what it was and they were still reporting like extremely healthy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, brought in a, you know, no, no, no, there's a lot of issues.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just one of these things where I feel I've been sitting on this podcast many, many, many, many times.
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[SPEAKER_02]: since this podcast is actually complaining about sitting and accusing them of being cheats and fraudsters.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But to actually have it vindicated, it's just to have it there in black and white with the lead demos that have been under investigation for, so they were leaked in 2018.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I think the charges were brought by the Premier League in 2023.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and took them like two years in an investigation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, almost three years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they've basically been declared guilty on all of them by the one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So 114 out of the 115 charges guilty.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the report that was published by the Premier League, I've never read anything like it, Damon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was just absolutely abdattering.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They went for the jugular.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They were like they called them a sham club.
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[SPEAKER_02]: basically said that they've been cooking the books to the tune of almost a billion pounds of false one and being with a bee you said correct yeah it's like nine hundred nine hundred million pounds over that period of time between yeah two thousand nine two thousand eighteen and saying that the witnesses they call upon from city to give evidence with dishonest
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, yeah, I was going to say purger, I mean, it's not a criminal trial, but whatever the, you know, sporting equivalent of that is, yes, perjury.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know where to, like, just, it was chilling, Damon, there's absolutely chilling to read it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're imprint that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought I'd have some sets of trial flight, I was right all along.
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[SPEAKER_01]: More depressing before.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I just feel hollow and scared.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm frightened about what's going to happen next.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because I don't know where to start.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because you know me, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right, I've been a loyal Arsenal fan from the job.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we're very successful in early 2000s.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Then in the mid 2000s, we
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we're playing in a small stadium.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So there's 30,000 capacity stadium, which is small by Premier League standard.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So as your club decided, if we're gonna be able to compete with the European heavyweights, we need to move to a big stadium.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we didn't have oil rich billionaire owner to find out that for us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we had to make some really significant financial sacrifices to do that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, god, like 50 years, I'd say.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We were operating on a shoestring budget, basically.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, under extreme pressure to balance the books.
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[SPEAKER_02]: whilst other big clubs, it's standard practice for them to be in the reds, after church, so window are still having to be in the black.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we're selling all our best players, because there were teams like Chelsea, like Manchester City, coming along and throwing money at us and tempting our players away.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, we we we stopped being
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[SPEAKER_02]: competitive like we weren't Premier League challenges anymore because we couldn't side the top players we couldn't keep the players that we had you know we couldn't offer them the wage increases you know these players are ambitious they want to win trophies and they weren't really that would ask the one we were just a staff and coaching staff and training staff yeah and yeah okay you know academy players what it just this goes really deep but
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're a laughing stock, essentially, and what became the part of the joke is that us finishing forth was our equivalent of a trophy because you finished forth, you get to be in the Champions League and with that comes significant revenue and that was became absolutely critical for Arsenal, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: If we were not finishing at those Champions League places with fact,
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, pay back the debt for the stadium.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's an even after we've moved into the stadium.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we massive amount of debt trying to pay that back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was painful.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, we were just a joke.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We were getting beaten up by teams like Chelsea, like City in Europe, like the United States, Barcelona, World Madrid.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and poor arson manga, I'm manager who, you know, I think history might look on him a bit more kindly now, who, you know, he said that he was losing sleep over, he knew how important it was to keep arsenal in the top four to get that European money so we can, you know, keep the club afloat.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it took,
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[SPEAKER_02]: about a decade of austerity more than that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we're having all our star players poach from us and it's just trying to scrape together to do what we can to finish in the top places and to top four places and that didn't always happen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then when we get to, yeah, it's about 20, 18, 20 months, you know, suddenly it started to pay off now, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: We have got money and we are able to compete financially.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that was a big sacrifice.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, a lot, you know, cost a lot of people, trophies and money and, you know, players that have left the club.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I don't want to say rebuild because you're swimming upstream on a rebuild, but like, again, it's a little bit different in the sense of you guys are, it's in your blood.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Once you're there, that's who you are and that's who you're rooting for and that's, you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I'm fucking decade of that, okay?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, I had a season ticket during that period.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's only for one season immediately.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, watching us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There was one match in particular.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That sticks in my mind.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was a way to Mount City.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I went to this match.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've got on the coach.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Arsenal supports club drove up to Manchester.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And this one was very memorable because
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[SPEAKER_02]: one of our ex-plates, a man you added by all, had been signed by Mad City.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he was playing against us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he was one of our star players, like, prior to that few years before, and I was playing against us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And our fans, we were pretty horrible, and we sang some pretty unpleasant songs to him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he scored a goal against us, but it was the opposite side of the stadium.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he scored a goal, and then turned round,
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[SPEAKER_02]: and started running towards us in a way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, I really, I don't know if I told the story before, but even from that moment where he just turned around and started running, oh my god, he's actually going to do it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he had this like manic glint in his eyes and he just printed that entirely at the pitch and like slid to his knees in front of the arsenal fans.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And we were going mental at like, check stuff, are you fucking doing that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just like hurling abuse at him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That was like the beginning, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: That was the start of this era of us just being the Bands of Club and just getting dicked on by Bands City and other clubs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, we just, we took our punishment.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, as you do, there's a lot of clubs who haven't far worse than us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm not going to sit and be like, wow, wow, poor us because relatively speaking, we were doing all right, you know?
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[SPEAKER_02]: But now to look back on it and to realize
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[SPEAKER_02]: that the whole thing was bent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was sham, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That it was all fraudulent and that every single trophy that matches the city one during that time is that the very least gonna have an asterisk next year and probably should be just scroll for the records like null and void.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's really upsetting to me that this is like football.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That was my thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, that's my hobby for millions of people as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We play our harder money to go to the matches or pay for your TV subscription or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that was your one thing that you go and watch to take your mind off things and you go into that with some semblance of
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[SPEAKER_02]: Fair enough that there's you got 20 clubs there or however many people to pay the work competition that I've signed up for the rules and that everyone's got a chance But then to realize that the whole thing was crooked and that's if people let it Yeah
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[SPEAKER_02]: it's just it's sickening it's honestly it makes me feel like physically unwell thinking about like that since 2009, that's longer than my relationship with my wife, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Fump, English football has been bent for the last what 17 years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That is staggering to me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can't get my head around about the whole thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just been a waste of time and yeah,
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[SPEAKER_02]: but the damage that mergers the city have caused to the football landscape, not just those competitions, but things like inflating tricever fees and inflating player wages.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you take it right, right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, that knocker effect ticket prices.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and the the subscription for the TV channels and all of that comes with it right all of that is just permeated the entire footballing landscape and it's done irreparable damage.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now again, I don't know what's going to happen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like there's part of me
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[SPEAKER_02]: that feels optimistic that there's going to be a significant punishment coming.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think it's been handed to another independent organization to decide, excuse me, what the sanctions actually are.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And as talk of significant points, deductions, relegation, expulsion from the league, fines, transfer of bads, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think any of that makes up for
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[SPEAKER_02]: 16 years of football being ruined to be quite honest and none of that's nothing there is going to make me feel good and it's I'm worried just because this is symptomatic it feels like this is a feature not a bug of not just sport and football in 2026 but just where we are
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[SPEAKER_02]: basically if you're rich enough you can do whatever the fuck you want.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now that may, this might be one of the exceptions here where they may actually have to face some consequences, the owners of them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, but the way you're conducting themselves, right, these are essentially like the leaders of Abu Dhabi.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And these Emirati billionaires, they are the kind of people who,
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[SPEAKER_02]: They always get what they want.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They always get their own way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think they cannot even conceive on a conceptual level that the idea of, I've done something wrong, and I'm going to get in trouble for it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That is just a say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They had a no, they were going to get quiet, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Eventually.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I felt like there was a quote somewhere in one of those documents saying, we can do what we want.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they were trying to hide it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: even as the shit hit the fact that I don't think any of the really think that they're in trouble, they think they're just going to be able to lawyer their way out of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's quite interesting from a sort of psychoanalytical perspective seeing how they responded to this and the statements they're putting out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's it's very
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[SPEAKER_02]: like reminiscent of Donald Trump like this sort of post-truth world where they've created this cult like environment where the you know the speeches are just filled with empty rhetoric and the facts don't matter oh this is all built on lies and trust us we've done nothing wrong it's like
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[SPEAKER_02]: who are you trying to before it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The emails are there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The reports are there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is hard evidence.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You are guilty.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You have done it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There is the proof of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But there they say, no, we've not done anything wrong.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to sue the Premier League.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And now, I mean, it's quite interesting seeing these people just backed into a corner and like flailing about desperately, like they've
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[SPEAKER_02]: they've got the etihad airlines threatening legal action.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's all they know how I saw that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just dread legal action.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They don't know what else to do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They they doesn't seem to be any coherent strategy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've not seen anything that has made me think, oh, actually they found a loophole here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to get out of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But it's just, oh, well, we're threatened threatened with the internet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That usually does the trick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's also quite scary to see the UK Prime Minister, Annie Burnham getting dragged into this where
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[SPEAKER_02]: he was put on the spot about it and made a comment saying that he'd be really concerned if Citi, if the owners sold the club because he has ties to Manchester and this Abu Dhabi group did come in many years ago and it's actually bought a load of like prime real estate in Manchester
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[SPEAKER_02]: a very very very favorable price in a way that now that there's some investigations going on like hold on you saw it for how much and rejuvenate the land and you know built up made some nice fancy apartments or whatever and
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[SPEAKER_02]: that is, but it's very definition of sports washing, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of, it's like what Pablo Escobar did.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Fucking Jimmy Savall, he gave money to charity.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No one's, that's like, well, you know, he gave money to charity.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let him have the kids.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, he's retired.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't matter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, it's not as if
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[SPEAKER_02]: they were, you know, they're creating social housing in Manchester.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They were, you know, they're building luxury apartments for other billionaires to use.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is not like this is some philanthropic project that they've done.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But seeing the prime minister of UK compromise like that, and he needs to shut his fucking mouth.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He needs to stay in his legs, stay there, hell out of this one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But to him, saying that was scary, because that's making me think, okay, this is, where does this go?
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[SPEAKER_02]: How deep does it go?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because this is all just tied in on a geopolitical level where these owners of the club are not going to take their punishment, like they're going to go kick it and screaming, they will burn the whole thing down if it means they can be king of the ashes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They've got absolutely no interesting in letting this one go quietly because I think like I'll find a bit longer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They don't think they've done anything wrong or they think it's okay for them to break the rules because that's just that's how they've always done it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That they live their whole life break and do it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The rules are not for them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Rules are for them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If I weren't able to do it, if I weren't able to do it, I wouldn't have done it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm able to do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I did it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I don't think this is going to end well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm frightened about what's going to happen next.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's going to end.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So one, what, again, you're much south of Manchester, mind you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think you would have a little bit of a closer pulse than I would, or a lot of our listeners.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What, like, what's the feeling in England itself?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And are there people in Manchester that are like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we fucked up, and now we got to fucking get our asses spanked because we fucked up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or, or they just turning a blind eye stick in the fingers in here, and a lot of lying, and nothing better happened.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It seems to be a split and it's hard for me to, you know, just judging this based on Manchester City YouTubers and stuff I see on Twitter, which is probably not representative of sure the actual proportion of phones that believe this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But what for what I've seen, it seems like a small
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[SPEAKER_02]: percentage, we've got a court here and we need to take it on the chin, eat our relegation, whatever happens, you know, if it ends up, we have to create like a shadow club as has happened with other teams in the past, like you know, Rangers in Scotland, where the original club has gone out of business and they've had to start up at you club, with a fitness club, that range rises through the league, you know, we'll do that local players,
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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, we just have to eat this one, you know, we have our years of success and all our trophies, and we've just got to take the punishment now, but the dominant narrative perpetuate by people like Leo Gallagher is that, oh, he's lead them out of us, lead them out of us, he's he's he's he is one of the worst.
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[SPEAKER_02]: culpable of this sort of attitude, where, again, they just, it's the cult-like environment around the club where the state, the statements are saying, are we done nothing wrong to the fans?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, well, they said we've done nothing wrong.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So we've done nothing wrong.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's like a narrative now, excuse me, that is, they call it the red cartel.
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[SPEAKER_02]: of Man United and Arsenal at Liverpool, who were all sort of calling the shots and have orchestrated these financial rules to their own benefits.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So no one else could win anything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Whereas I made to put Arsenal not one primarily for 20 years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Liverpool had gone like 20 or 20 years before they won their last one and managed to unite at a like 13, 40 years in counting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's not a very effective cart out if this is a cart out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're not doing so good on the red side.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that seems to be the copium at the moment.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's a red cartel.
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[SPEAKER_02]: These financial rules around fair.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's the desire to stop other teams from getting a look in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then there seems to be very little acceptance or contrition again in light of hard evidence.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Reams of evidence, like hundreds and hundreds of pages of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and it's just seems like a very American thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I said, this post truth well, where it doesn't matter about the facts, we've got a narrative and we're sticking to it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And even seeing the expansion of Pep Guardiola, releasing this statement saying, oh, we're all together, you know, I'm going to close to you that never happened, despite the fact that he quit during the summer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I quit back then when I ran the hills and the audio.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right, they didn't want to know that we did on the night, after one of the Premier League.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I said,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I went back and let's do it and I called this, I said, I think something's happening.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think the charges are dropping soon.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I'll go to, you didn't live them because Guadiol is left and then it's two key players, Roger E. Bernardo, Silver, they left as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I was just thinking of rats sinking ship and now he's like safely on the shore watching the ship go down and saying, don't worry guys, I'm with you where he flies on the boat.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's a very, very good football manager.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's just always at the scene of the crime now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think he's going to be inextricably linked to these sort of scanners.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mentioned before, scanners that you had with drugs cheating when he was a player.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And now this scoundrel with Man City, his brother is in charge of one of the teams that's part of the city group, Gerona in Spain.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And now Barcelona, one of the other clubs that he was manager, under investigation for,
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[SPEAKER_02]: potential corruption case with the head of the referee organization in Spain being paid off of the period where Barcelona were dominant and he was in charge.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he stinks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He absolutely stinks now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, so back to your original point there is just seems to be a real sense of denial about what how serious this is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They I think they just believe well we've got away with
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm sure the lawyers would pull something out of the bag, but everything I see is so fight.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't look good for them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it might not be the sanctions themselves, which are the death blow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They might get relegated, but chances are they might pop back up again.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But if there are certain outcomes where
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's the potential that the owners might be forced to sell the club and again, I don't think they would do that willingly Well, they'd probably think, you know, this is a sports washing project.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's gone very badly, you know Kind of defeats the pointless force washing if you are the main characters in a global unprecedented corruption Scaddle you're going to be washed
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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly, it's not very clean, isn't it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, but I just think how pure stubbornness they wouldn't willingly sell.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They might get forced into a sell, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And there's even talks of HMRC getting involved, because with this level of corporate fraud, there's probably a fair amount of tax that's not been paid.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They have caught cheating on which think about all the other stuff they've been cheating on that we haven't found out yet, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So although having said that, the head of city, Carl Dune, Al Mubarak, I think his name is, it was got a diplomatic immunity several years ago, so that's going to be a fun, thank you, I think, to this one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But,
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[SPEAKER_01]: As it was saying, well, if you listen, you know that I have answers to a lot of different media things, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they get press releases mostly from the NHL, but I get some NFL stuff and they do get some like just kind of like global Premier League stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I'll get like stuff from like, like the man city put, I don't know if you saw it man city put out a press release.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it happened, you see, yeah, I got right here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, no, no, no, no, here it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't mean it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a big set.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Come on, that's pretty good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's all that would set up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wish they would say something like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I think...
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[SPEAKER_02]: If there is this much scrutiny and they're kicked out of the Premier League and they don't have, well, one, the bed income has gone and then they don't have the TV income, they don't have the Premier League price money, they don't have Champions League income, right, that money will dry very, very quickly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then they're also now open up to litigation from other clubs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So there were three or four clubs that reserved the right to initiate legal action if they were found guilty.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So Arsenal, Man United Liverpool, Tottenham.
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[SPEAKER_02]: their lawyers have spent the last five years sharpened at the noise ready for this happened.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And from what I'm here, they're going to be taking legal action, you know, suing a man's city for loss of revenue, loss of income, you know, seasons where they've lost out on Champions League qualification because of man's city's cheating, you know, a season where arsenal finished fifth instead of fourth because city were cheating.
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[SPEAKER_02]: there's precedent for that now because the club burley sued evidence that ever to we found guilt of one breach of financial regulations got dots, sort of eight points or something and then burley successfully sued them for 35 million pounds because burley got relegated that season so they're able to prove
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[SPEAKER_02]: We lost that on 35 million pounds worth of revenue because we would rarely get it from the Premier League because ever to finish the barboss and they were cheating.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So there's legal precedent for that now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So also, the fee that I heard report was tune a 200 million pounds that they could claim.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I've asked them to do that and spurs and united and... Who have a fucking corrupt league, dude?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just, it's not just me and Siddi here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: your league allows us to to happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when they get caught, then it's up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we now have the punish.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're fucking league is corrupt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, it's not like they're trying, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're trying to cave it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's way too late.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's way too late.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, that's not what we're putting is that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: you're going to be a big trouble, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're a wounded whale in the ocean and now the sharks are starting to get them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They can smell blood and they are going to go in for the kill.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're not just teams, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're not just those four teams.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Other teams can join this where they could be some class action lawsuits there and individual players could be soon them for loss of earnings.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, if I'm the fan to I'm so in them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: because, as it got no power, don't be ridiculous.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Play it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've got things in their contracts like, you know, they get paid X amount of money for winning a competition or X amount of money for, if they qualify for the Champions League.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Players can players will be able to sue Manchester City on an individual basis.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So,
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not, to me, it's not about the actual sanctions delivered.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's about the aftermath of that and just how messy it could get.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I really do think it could be an existential threat to Manchester City.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think when this is all said and done, they may cease to exist as a football club.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that doesn't bring me any joy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because at the end of the day, I just want to watch football, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just want to watch football.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to see the teams got there and I want to see them play.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to see who wins.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And this is the weird part because now,
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's it, it's still in the Premier League.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're top of the league, David.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They've won five out of five of their games.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They play this week, yeah, next weekend, it's October and 11th, that's something they live all the way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it just seems like fast to call to me that that is going to continue.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, you know, looking UFC fighter, being able to continue fighting, but he's allowed to carry a knife.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, the other the other fighters might have a chance if they're lucky, but there's a guy with a fucking knife in the rest of that All right that the season has to continue and team to have to continue playing against man's city and Fans continue to buy tickets and pay money.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's gonna go into their pockets whilst Everyone knows they're fucking cheaters and they've ruined football It just it's so messy and sickening like the whole thing just feels like it's football is ruined
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you said that there was examples in history of, again, maybe not to this magnitude, but it happening.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You mentioned Rangers in Scotland.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You mentioned the Everton situation and all that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, this is the worst, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like this is like the biggest of sports kind of with the UK.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe the world, I think in the
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[SPEAKER_01]: our Black Sox scandal, moreover there was gambling like baseball world series all that, but that was like in the fucking 20s dude, I'm really trying to think hard of our four majors, like a corruption thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There was a referee in the NBA that got caught doing dumb shit, but on this scale is pretty fucking massive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you mentioned penalties,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously there's going to be a financial penalty, they're going to get fucking popped with it, but a massive fine I would assume.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they would take a way point you said, I don't understand it, like for this season or pear seasons, or what are we doing here?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So definitely if they can deliver the sanctions they see, which I hope they do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think
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[SPEAKER_02]: What I would say is that the one thing that gives me hope is that the narrative seems to be shifting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's guy sports to be there to kill you down the mind because there is so generous the man sitting up to this point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They never are very, very, very, very brought up the fact that they were under investigation and just absolute softball shit for them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But it turns today, there's, you know, program in podcast TV shows, think pieces coming out from
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[SPEAKER_02]: their public saying, this is a disgrace, their cheaters, the odors need to sell.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do not mean that that is, I don't think they could just say whatever they want.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's a directive.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that's the bosses that Sky Sports are the given the green light or given the directive.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is the narrative we go with, which is either like putting pressure on that to actually happen or maybe they'd say that because they think it is going to happen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm taking some solace from that, at least that it does feel that the tide of public opinion is shifting to the extent where the position may become untenable to the man's sitty owners, but back to your question about points to the action.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So what seems to have been suggested as the best outcome or the most
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[SPEAKER_02]: you know, the the fairest outcome is that it's a point deduction that is spread over a certain number of years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So let's say 50 point deduction every season for the next five years or something like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So again, right, let's get it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The Everton, I think one breach, 8 point deduction, Man City 114, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So now the season starts next year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're already 50 points down.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe either sort of rendering them as a lane dark that the very best they can finish mid-table, but they're not sniffing European qualification or anything like that, or a hefty enough penalty that they're relegated.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, I don't, I think expulsion from not only the Premier League, but the football league seems appropriate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, yeah, I'm not even that
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you're a lead to, the fan of a lead to team, like, you know, that's a, you're a fan of a little ex to city.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you want the juggernaut of man's city?
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is parachuting into your league and into your chance.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, just like running away without competition and, you know, taking that spot away, that means there's one team from the league below that weren't able to get their promotions.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I say just kick them out of the football league altogether and they can
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[SPEAKER_02]: build up build the car from nothing, you know, go from the non-professional leagues and try and climb their way back up like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If they cut, that's why you got it, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, we're going to, we're going to dock them points now, five years, eight years worth of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Would they strike records from history?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think you'd have to.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think they're going to retrospectively award those trophies to the riders up, but I certainly think though the ones that City wants should be non-employed, yeah, how can they still stand?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, they can stand with a nastro, I guess, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't see that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That would be, say, sending the message that it was worth it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All the chick was worth it because we've got all these trophies in the bag.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But then, okay, so all the trophies that they had, like if a kid picks up, and like a kid would pick up a record book in 10 years, but you get my point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just gonna be, what, a fucking blank page, yours is just gonna be like, there's no champions, no trophy was awarded those years, because we've had sportswear, like, they've been on strike.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or you know, a lockout and a championship wasn't decided that year and it basically that's what it says for that year in the lockout no championship decided in the you know world series no Stanley cup whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they would go back and strike those trophy now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Champions League would do the same thing for that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so there's an example for you vendors in Italy who got embroidered in a scandal and were relegated a result of that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So for example, and all their trophies were just struck for the record.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So if you, for example, go to the 2,000, 4,000, 2,000, 5, it's Ali and League, Sarah, and you look up champions, it says, none.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then in brackets, you've entered us with stripped to their title due to the calcium police scandal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what you're telling me is go by merch with their champions when they hold on, cause it'll be worth it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's amazing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like, I'm sorry that something that you look forward to and love and gives you comfort and takes you out of the miserableness of everyday life is now been fucking pillaged.
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[SPEAKER_01]: your league is equally to blame in my mind.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, gotta be honest with you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, the league itself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, does this trick on the answer?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I should say, they weren't the first into the Chelsea with the first, yeah, we're over to Brabavitch to go for it, but that was before those financial regulations were in place.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, by no means, we're sitting the first team to do this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And absolutely agree with you that the Prairie League of allowed this to happen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And again, this is just like, this is capitalism.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what happens.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they became a very popular team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, look at all the money, Mackie spent on them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's outrageous.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, like, I think of, like, the, when I've started really hearing about this and stuff,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure you're familiar with Brexit and the story behind it and how they came from nothing and now they're promoted fucking through four years and whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, so how does that happen?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, are there different rules for those different tiers of leagues?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because it's quite obvious that it's like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a good question.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know enough about the rakes and situations to be able to cover.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've not been following it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So what happened with them?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they were bought by Rob McLean, the guy who created, it's always something in Philadelphia and little else, but that's his claim to fame.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Ryan Reynolds, who was, he was, was,
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the team, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they invested money in the team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they started winning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they went up a league, and then they went up another league, and then they went up another league.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so how did that just happen overnight?
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[SPEAKER_01]: If they weren't pumping money in to get people to play for them,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, maybe it's a different situation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I don't know, but it's a pretty big TV show over here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: People like this team now because of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The first thing I think of is they pumped a lot of their own money into this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that's necessarily a wrong thing, but if you also get it's a wrong thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think that investment rules are different to the previous leagues.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but you're, I don't even know who would be in the first league that they were in when they bought the team, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So now you're, I don't know, fucking cluster.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just making up a town in a team that would be in the league.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now you've got to go against Rexon now, who has all this money being pumped in from outside sources, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we can't get people that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We need some, we need fucking the rock to come in and buy us, you know, we need, you know, Leonardo the Caprio to invest.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That doesn't seem fair to me now in the hindsight, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: seems weird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe, again, I don't know the rules, but what are the rules?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So do you think they're in Premier League next year?
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[SPEAKER_01]: City.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think, oh, here's my other question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why not?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, it's just going to just fight fucking be like, I, we pumped and dumped without buy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: See, we don't want to say one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because to me, that will be an admission of failure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think they don't care.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They just go, we just walk away.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, no.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll go buy one squad.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a question of face.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And, and, you know, it will be a disgrace for them to be sanctioned and admit that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, really?
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[SPEAKER_02]: They did, they did something wrong.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, aside from people and is probably half the fucking city of Manchester, there are already a disgrace.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, they just walk with her, but they don't think they don't think they don't anything wrong.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not just the money they've got tied up with mad city.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's the money tied up in the UK as a whole and in, you know, their property investment in Manchester and whatever other pies they got their fingers in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what you're saying is illegal should be deported?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that what you're telling me?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's the kind of mentality where if there is even one acknowledgment of wrongdoing, the whole thing just falls apart.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Man, so they will just absolutely fight.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a quote from, I think one of the owners are saying, they'd rather spend
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[SPEAKER_02]: like 30 million on the top-loys in the world to fight the case legally until they bump out of, you know, reparations.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think this, again, and I'm sorry, you know, there's people that are like, you're going to talk fucking talk about New Japan or something like that, eventually.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it is a pretty big deal for release this podcast, anyway.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're not going to get this one fucking keep it as strong, so that's the guy I'm sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, this is baked into, I can't say everyone, but a ton of people's DNA, like you're born, you root for the steam, to you die.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are there people there that are just like, you know what, this is the fucking straw that broke the camel's back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm fucking done with this place.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm fucking done with this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll fucking take up Snoker.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't give a shit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't invest my time, energy, passion, stress, money, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't do it anymore, knowing for a while that this whole fucking league is cooked.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If the sanctions are not appropriate, yes, I do think a lot of people walk away, just think, well, what's the point?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got to be honest with you, I think that now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that was the NHL dude and it was like, I don't know, I'll just pick a team before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: New York Rangers did that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I don't know, I don't know if I could do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I could turn on the TV and be like, okay, let's roach, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I could, I don't think I could.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, that's like, like, I'm just amazed at the governing body of the fucking league.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that has to stop and end with that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the minute they get a fucking whiff of that, that's gotta be shut down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's got, you can't have that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The idea, and I know what I'm talking about, billion-dollar sports, but there is some fucking integrity that has to happen here, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're just selling.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Literally, they took the hundreds, hundreds of years of English football history and wipe their ass with it, basically.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, how could they, how could they be allowed to do that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, people will say, well, I got the money to fucking do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you have the power to say, I'm not watching this fucking product.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not buying a ticket.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't give a fuck.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll find better things to do at my time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I couldn't support a league that
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's be honest, you're new that that was fucking going on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And let's be honest, you're too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like they're the first people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like they're the only people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think they're the only people in that league that are dead, they're just the highest profile one that got caught, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't think Chelsea did that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The little thing fucking whoever else.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm gonna say it too, dude, are you sure that Arsenal would never do something like that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or has it done something like that?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I did lay out the fact that I, you know, decade plus of austerity because, you know, stringent me sticking to the financial rules.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying that arson of perfect.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I also have done plenty of things that were second to me.
47:47.194 --> 47:52.536
[SPEAKER_01]: In recent years when they kicked the kids, when they kicked the kids at, you know, all the kids at the orphan's and they just kicked them right in the face.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was terrible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I got to be arson of kids.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't like that either.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, terrible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's how it tastes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Terrible promotion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I have a big fucking problem, and I'd have a big fucking problem with that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Does that make your championship a little bit more sweeter?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm fucking yeah, it does.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We managed to go out to toe and beat them fair and square whilst they were at the peak of their cheating this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm sure that was always like a like an undercurrent in the whole thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I could free a dude.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a, yeah, it's it's the disgusting scandal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It really is a disgusting scandal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm curious.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's traction in the States.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, I think so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like like when you texting me,
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I, I subscribe to, you know, well, be athletic, you know, the athletic, I think that the one, the one's the proctor story from not mistaken, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The, so I, I subscribe to that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's, you know, it's ESPN.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, yeah, it's CNN.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you, what, and when the, when the fucking dust settles, what happened?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think in, I've been optimistic, I'd say, in the next five years, Manchester City, as it currently exists, will cease to be, I think, I think liquidation,
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[SPEAKER_02]: something like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Kick the zone is out of the league.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Zone is a gun to all thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're back to square one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that just a fight?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Very ugly because like like I said, this sort of geopolitical implications of it with how tied up the Abu Dhabi investors are with the UK government.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a
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[SPEAKER_02]: the league needed to step out of this is where you don't let nation states by football teams.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, not for nothing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and then have those same organizations.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Be real estate investing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would be like the fucking field of eagles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, that would be preposterous.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It just, I couldn't imagine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Could you imagine now again like the flyers are owned by Comcast, which you know pretty much owns well to NBC paramount You know and they're you know on own TV says in it, you know, so but yeah, they're not I don't know I don't know it's it's I that's the thing like like I would just be so upset that the thing that
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, let's be very truthful here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You love that more than you love this, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that, because I'll admit, I like, I love hockey more than I like wrestling.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think the joys, the highs of football, beat the highs of pro wrestling.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, listen, I'm with you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think there are tons of people that would say the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I love what we do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I love watching the pro, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, there's plenty of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you said, put a gun to your head, no more wrestling, no more hockey, I'm like, no, my wrestling, like so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, wait a great time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bye.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's what sucks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That sucks, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Anything else?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Anything else you want to close with?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, yes, everyone goes to pro-resenties.com for such super-jacals because our pro-resenties store is going to be closed because no one's planning.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I either, I can either upload a new product.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's not happening.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or someone's going to say, no, no, I want an AI slap.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm on an AI slap teacher.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just, I want a list to buy a t-shirt just to annoy the pro-resenties people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So they can't let us
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[SPEAKER_01]: Please, please, I've never, yeah, I've never, I've never begged for anything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't speak for Joel, but I'm begging you, by a t-shirt, please, a super j-kest t-shirt, just to keep it open to annoy them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that would, that would make my day, please.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I also want to plug Fraser Japan at his onset, the nuclear missile, because, you know, yeah, the rest of Kingdom season is covered up, and I'm sure there's lots of listeners thinking about planning a trip to Japan to see rest of the season, and if you are doing that, I'm sure there's lots of you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: what better way to make that trip from life time, to buy visiting the Eugoya New York fund, which again, I'm not saying this because I'm getting paid for anything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I stayed down, it was fucking incredible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that, as it may be more enjoyable, then actually going to rest looking them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you owe it to yourself to go to the book yourself in a state at the Uganda, which you can find the website, you guay a yujiowa.jp, or you can get in touch with them on Instagram.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You guay a underscore, real scan, underscore, footer matter, underscore, on-set.
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[SPEAKER_02]: where you can you can get in touch with them as well and just you'll have a wonderful time unforgettable experience there at the what's it good not 10 burrow the outdoor onset thermal natural hot springs past and especially that time of year when it's all snowy up there and and you know you don't have to there's those sort of tricky travel involved you just
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can't remember what's in Shinshira Kawar and some of them will pick you up from the station in the nice car and drive you to the place and you'll be looked after the whole time though.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Cook for you, get a delicious sukiyaki and shabu shabu and it's private.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's going to be no one else staying there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Eat it yourself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Get yourself down.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You'll be.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You go, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: New York, thank you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I would, I mean,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know you're gonna get treated well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying, you know you're gonna get treated well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That I can guarantee you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the picture, like I have not been here at Joel has.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The pictures I've seen have been stunning, just stunning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, I think for people who go to Japan, one of the things they want to do is in Onsen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's this idea of, I don't know what to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know how to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't want to do the wrong thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just don't even have to start to do the process.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And blah, blah, blah, blah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You are in good hands, you might be in the best hands to be quite frank.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So in a beautiful setting, private, let me say that again, private, and it's the dream.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It truly is the dream that you will experience.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So not to put it over anymore that it needs to, I would, I just know how the operation
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[SPEAKER_01]: It would be top of my list absolutely fucking top of my list.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're going to vessel kingdom Follow it and you'll just some of the links so when I put up the show You'll be in the show notes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, you can fucking take care of it from there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Sure And I feel remiss if we did it mentioned the Devastine positive pack Bed you all.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yes
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[SPEAKER_02]: possibly unexpectedly, just horrific, like, oh, we're pretty bad.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So say, all right, when someone dies in wrestling, it's bad and it's sad, but this one was particularly heartbreaking and just seeing all the tributes coming in, no one had a bad word to say about this guy, which,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think counts for a lot, in resting, usually, if someone passes away, there will be some people being like, this person was a bit of a twat actually, but just the outpourant of grief and love for this guy who just everyone he met had nothing but good words to say about what a lovely bloke he was.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Not to mention a fucking incredible wrestler, a guy I loved watching.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody dislike that, everyone loved his work.
56:52.905 --> 57:01.029
[SPEAKER_02]: particularly, I guilty pleasure of mine was his stuff in WWE, the King of the Cruiserweight stuff when it was on 205 life.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I enjoyed that and it's working Dragongate as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like the, I think the light sort of 2017, the stuff that he did with Yoshino and KZ and Ben K and the, it's decided to my mind that the kill work that he did where,
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[SPEAKER_02]: They played the National Anthem, so they played the UK National Anthem before the match and then he attacked.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was your Shino from behind during the National Anthem.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What a incredible year it worked to attack someone during your own National Anthem.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, they're standing there respectfully.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're National Anthem for you to...
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[SPEAKER_02]: just live up to that bastard Nickname and attack someone and then I think it was the form of match after I think it was against Casey when they were playing the English national anthem and they Casey sort of looking over a shoulder because he's waiting for the sneak attack of packs just like smirking it and say yeah you're on your guard now aren't you?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just incredible stuff like what
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[SPEAKER_02]: just will be bitterly bitterly missed by everyone, massive loss, massive loss for the industry, massive loss for fans.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, I'm talking from a completely selfish point of view, let's, you know, his family, his friends, his co-workers, everyone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel just fucking terrible for
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there was spectacular wrestlers and then he was like a level above that, you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hard, like it's, trust me, it's much easier to find great stuff of his and lots of tributes and there's lots of stuff out there that where you can, if you've missed it, if it fell off your radar a little bit, go back and watch, yeah, because like I said, there's spectacular wrestlers and then there's his him, like just hovering above.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I haven't actively looked at it because I just really, it's just so sad, but like they have they mentioned anything about like what what happened or what was the cause because they know he wrestled the that weekend if I'm not mistaken.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he was found in this car correct?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't think anything has been announced.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, actually, like, I'm kind of glad I don't need to know why why I didn't need to know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I said, I think it was like, there's no foul place expected.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So just leave it at that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just awful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I can't, I can't imagine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, again, nobody had a bad word to say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're you are exactly right about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody had a bad word to say about the dude.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, um, you know, it's that like he's, uh, you know, it's just awful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I, I'm trying to find a fucking excuse, but how do you find a fucking, not an excuse, but like just like a silver fucking lining.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There is no fucking silver lining.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It blows, it sucks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel terrible for his friends and his family.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the worst.
01:00:01.121 --> 01:00:02.702
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so yeah, there you go.
01:00:03.873 --> 01:00:05.835
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, very, very cheerful show for us.
01:00:05.875 --> 01:00:06.455
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, really.
01:00:06.775 --> 01:00:08.316
[SPEAKER_02]: Jesus Christ, yeah.
01:00:08.437 --> 01:00:09.157
[SPEAKER_02]: God, sorry, everyone.
01:00:09.377 --> 01:00:12.660
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he also, and then he'd be able to answer that we know of Jesus Christ.
01:00:12.900 --> 01:00:14.862
[SPEAKER_02]: God, I don't mind it.
01:00:14.922 --> 01:00:17.984
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, let's go to destruction, being COVID world-haul.
01:00:20.028 --> 01:00:21.369
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is really close.
01:00:21.389 --> 01:00:22.169
[SPEAKER_02]: You stick with that.
01:00:22.649 --> 01:00:23.670
[SPEAKER_02]: We're over an hour in.
01:00:23.790 --> 01:00:26.191
[SPEAKER_02]: We've got to talk about this show and I'm running out of energy.
01:00:26.211 --> 01:00:27.372
[SPEAKER_02]: So we're not doing it justice.
01:00:27.412 --> 01:00:27.932
[SPEAKER_02]: I apologize.
01:00:28.412 --> 01:00:29.373
[SPEAKER_02]: So fast match.
01:00:30.813 --> 01:00:31.174
[SPEAKER_02]: We had.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but here's a story.
01:00:42.299 --> 01:00:47.220
[SPEAKER_02]: 8 minutes, 24 seconds, so we were probabilistic getting last week, like, oh, he's going to pin one of the big leagues.
01:00:47.240 --> 01:00:47.881
[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to pin like it.
01:00:48.001 --> 01:00:48.381
[SPEAKER_02]: Random.
01:00:48.601 --> 01:00:48.821
[SPEAKER_02]: Awesome.
01:00:48.841 --> 01:00:49.001
[SPEAKER_02]: Other.
01:00:49.181 --> 01:00:50.181
[SPEAKER_02]: No, Dick Togo.
01:00:50.201 --> 01:00:54.663
[SPEAKER_02]: That's all it takes to get a shot at the second bigger, single, starting with the company.
01:00:54.723 --> 01:00:59.544
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's just, in Dick Togo, then you can challenge you ever before you want.
01:01:00.084 --> 01:01:06.526
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so 10 pounds of shit in a five pound bag, as you say, Mr. Clow Super Junior Tag League, that'll be cool, like to see that.
01:01:07.596 --> 01:01:10.982
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a, I don't want to say definite, but I think that's, that's happening, right?
01:01:11.163 --> 01:01:11.724
[SPEAKER_01]: How could it not?
01:01:11.944 --> 01:01:15.912
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean, unless there's some wacky scheduling thing, I would think you would see that.
01:01:15.952 --> 01:01:16.453
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sure.
01:01:17.940 --> 01:01:25.083
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, and then the second match was Masterwato Ruske to Gucci and Yode to fit Ghetto Tide Jishimori and Robbie X.
01:01:27.784 --> 01:01:36.868
[SPEAKER_02]: This one went three minutes and 33 seconds to the next, in which I think something went wrong, because the entrance is lasted significantly longer than the actual match did.
01:01:36.908 --> 01:01:42.230
[SPEAKER_02]: Like Ghetto took a flying sub thing, and which was like, ah, fuck it, that'll do, you know, meh.
01:01:42.590 --> 01:01:49.973
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe I'd like a reservation at Kobe beef, again, Kitchie, and I needed to get out of there, right, so that's double frustration.
01:01:50.073 --> 01:01:57.017
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, we've got Robbie X, challenging, yo for the junior singles title, that's going to be coming up next Wednesday.
01:01:57.037 --> 01:01:59.818
[SPEAKER_02]: I think fucking quarter, of course.
01:01:59.838 --> 01:02:04.020
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, is we can't have the junior title defended on big shows anymore.
01:02:04.040 --> 01:02:04.740
[SPEAKER_02]: That's illegal.
01:02:04.760 --> 01:02:05.360
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not allowed.
01:02:08.328 --> 01:02:13.791
[SPEAKER_02]: I like the match, I like Robbie X, he's exactly a fun to watch, zero interesting, you know.
01:02:13.871 --> 01:02:20.815
[SPEAKER_02]: I hope they take the belt off him just to my personal taste, he's just does nothing for me, and this division is dead on its ass.
01:02:21.335 --> 01:02:26.799
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm more interested in Taguchi and his defense of, he's defending the DDT title, he's got
01:02:27.619 --> 01:02:33.524
[SPEAKER_02]: against Togo at the show that title.
01:02:33.544 --> 01:02:36.166
[SPEAKER_02]: The title you produce show at his old school.
01:02:36.686 --> 01:02:39.829
[SPEAKER_02]: A more interested in that than having your junior title defenses.
01:02:40.169 --> 01:02:44.312
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, one, to Gucci has a fucking title in DT.
01:02:46.134 --> 01:02:46.334
[SPEAKER_01]: Right?
01:02:46.414 --> 01:02:46.814
[SPEAKER_01]: Who know?
01:02:47.635 --> 01:02:51.258
[SPEAKER_01]: And two, what does it say about?
01:02:51.298 --> 01:02:53.320
[SPEAKER_01]: Like if I'm DT and I'm like, okay.
01:02:54.168 --> 01:02:59.673
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, to go to, we're going to give you a title, uh, this is how much I think about this fucking title.
01:03:00.013 --> 01:03:06.619
[SPEAKER_01]: You're, you got tiktok, uh, yeah, I don't even like, oh, you shit, what is the, what is the title's name?
01:03:06.659 --> 01:03:08.821
[SPEAKER_01]: You, are you aware of this title?
01:03:09.001 --> 01:03:09.761
[SPEAKER_01]: What is this title?
01:03:11.343 --> 01:03:15.707
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, it is the DDT, uh, Willy Bum, Bum, silly Bucke's belts.
01:03:16.687 --> 01:03:21.872
[SPEAKER_02]: I fact exactly, like, come on, it's a good, it's a fuck, all right, to go cheat, great.
01:03:23.585 --> 01:03:25.906
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the DDT Universal Championship.
01:03:25.946 --> 01:03:26.406
[SPEAKER_02]: He's gone.
01:03:26.426 --> 01:03:27.366
[SPEAKER_01]: Sounds pretty important.
01:03:27.386 --> 01:03:28.986
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he was quite prestigious.
01:03:29.066 --> 01:03:29.807
[SPEAKER_01]: It's really tough.
01:03:30.147 --> 01:03:30.727
[SPEAKER_02]: It's when we write it.
01:03:30.747 --> 01:03:31.867
[SPEAKER_01]: That's all about it.
01:03:31.907 --> 01:03:32.787
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably as he would know.
01:03:33.007 --> 01:03:34.108
[SPEAKER_01]: It's fucking DDT.
01:03:34.128 --> 01:03:34.688
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's bring it on.
01:03:34.728 --> 01:03:35.548
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
01:03:36.108 --> 01:03:36.348
[SPEAKER_01]: Next.
01:03:40.289 --> 01:03:41.149
[SPEAKER_01]: All the DDT phones.
01:03:41.169 --> 01:03:41.749
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no.
01:03:41.769 --> 01:03:43.470
[SPEAKER_00]: Can you say play bad things about DDT?
01:03:44.549 --> 01:03:52.475
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, relax, when you finish it before you keep it down, it is wasted as springboard, springboard, elbow smash.
01:03:52.515 --> 01:03:54.436
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a springboard elbow smash.
01:03:54.497 --> 01:04:03.443
[SPEAKER_02]: There was no smashing involved, you did a flying something and just lightly brushed, get it was right, let's wrap it up, let's just take it home, we're done.
01:04:04.104 --> 01:04:05.124
[SPEAKER_02]: What about the rest of the match?
01:04:05.164 --> 01:04:08.107
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, that's enough, you're over again.
01:04:08.127 --> 01:04:08.947
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm making you look good.
01:04:12.750 --> 01:04:24.777
[SPEAKER_02]: Third match, we're thanking the guy Oscar and Utah Ice defeat Xaj, Greg Khan and Henari, Utah Ice get on the pin or submission, whatever it was, I would say, Jay would be Cruella.
01:04:25.037 --> 01:04:26.398
[SPEAKER_02]: I forgot what the move created is.
01:04:26.418 --> 01:04:27.639
[SPEAKER_02]: It is a submission or is it a...
01:04:28.819 --> 01:04:29.660
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
01:04:30.280 --> 01:04:30.960
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
01:04:31.361 --> 01:04:44.028
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, either way he did that move and it was successful in this case And in most cases you told to not about Tony Khan afterwards and he talked a lot about Willospray Yes, he said he wants to use them to make money.
01:04:44.689 --> 01:04:46.470
[SPEAKER_02]: He wants Ospray sent to New Japan
01:04:47.350 --> 01:05:11.122
[SPEAKER_02]: he says he's picking a fight with AEW and he was talking about the young bucks and FTR and Edgen Christian so I think he's just worth saying but he does have a much at King of Pro Wrestling where here at Oscar will be teaming up with a mysterious X for the never six man championship which is currently of course held by
01:05:12.377 --> 01:05:14.820
[SPEAKER_02]: Osprey, O'Con, and Hedari.
01:05:15.560 --> 01:05:17.262
[SPEAKER_02]: So they've got themselves a mystery part of that.
01:05:17.422 --> 01:05:19.544
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know who that's going to be.
01:05:21.927 --> 01:05:22.407
[SPEAKER_01]: Who do you think?
01:05:23.428 --> 01:05:25.250
[SPEAKER_01]: Can we give me some names?
01:05:25.551 --> 01:05:28.514
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't think he's doing the old...
01:05:28.974 --> 01:05:31.557
[SPEAKER_01]: I hate AEW and he brings in AEW guy?
01:05:33.500 --> 01:05:37.222
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's going to be X-Men just to see each other.
01:05:37.382 --> 01:05:38.843
[SPEAKER_02]: Carl Doodle, Bobarrick.
01:05:39.203 --> 01:05:41.004
[SPEAKER_02]: I know it.
01:05:41.345 --> 01:05:44.386
[SPEAKER_01]: No it.
01:05:45.287 --> 01:05:45.587
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
01:05:48.509 --> 01:05:50.790
[SPEAKER_01]: I think this, like when I heard this,
01:05:52.354 --> 01:06:04.539
[SPEAKER_01]: my first initial thoughts were, well, this kind of falls into the narrative that we've all been kind of been spoon-fed a little bit of, we're going to see a lot more A, W, ship.
01:06:05.480 --> 01:06:07.420
[SPEAKER_01]: And a lot more A, W involvement.
01:06:09.540 --> 01:06:21.390
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, your mileage may vary on your excitement of that, but yeah, I was just like, wow, just out of the fucking blue, we're gonna mention, we're just gonna go on a rant on AEW and, okay, here we go.
01:06:22.471 --> 01:06:31.478
[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll say, I mean, look, I don't know who that x would be.
01:06:31.498 --> 01:06:33.240
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't imagine it being,
01:06:34.677 --> 01:06:37.880
[SPEAKER_01]: anybody that's going to knock our pants off, but strange are things have happened.
01:06:38.941 --> 01:06:46.268
[SPEAKER_01]: We are talking about the never six man titles that, again, you couldn't find it on a fucking milk card at this point where you do find it on a milk card at this point.
01:06:47.049 --> 01:06:53.636
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so, you know, what much to do about nothing, let's put that way.
01:06:56.939 --> 01:06:58.801
[SPEAKER_02]: The fourth match, a special tech match.
01:07:01.336 --> 01:07:17.829
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was like, say, Bajudha, and Dior hate, oh, we're defeated, Tai Chi, and Aaron Wolff, 10 minutes, 8 seconds, Oywa, Pidge, Tai Chi, after doing the grip, they were supposed to be other people in this match, but a bunch of them came down with the flu, I think.
01:07:18.570 --> 01:07:22.153
[SPEAKER_02]: So it was turned to a two or two tag match.
01:07:22.373 --> 01:07:24.075
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I got a question here first, actually.
01:07:24.115 --> 01:07:25.616
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll ask that question later.
01:07:25.636 --> 01:07:26.537
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what I'm going to ask
01:07:32.426 --> 01:07:38.148
[SPEAKER_02]: it was good to see Tai Chi getting, I'll say a decent spot on the card.
01:07:39.629 --> 01:07:47.272
[SPEAKER_02]: Fourth match, special tag match, that's all right, that's better than nothing, that's better than he usually gets and I enjoyed the sequences that he was in.
01:07:47.292 --> 01:07:52.094
[SPEAKER_02]: There was a nice bit of dangerous tech as law, the interactions he had with oil work were good.
01:07:52.154 --> 01:07:53.014
[SPEAKER_02]: I hope they can have a
01:07:55.807 --> 01:07:58.750
[SPEAKER_02]: After the match title, you said you want us to talk to Zach in private.
01:07:58.831 --> 01:08:00.152
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so the answer to the one is mine.
01:08:01.253 --> 01:08:05.058
[SPEAKER_02]: So curious to see what that is, TMDK?
01:08:05.138 --> 01:08:06.599
[SPEAKER_02]: Very possibly.
01:08:06.920 --> 01:08:07.841
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a nice idea.
01:08:07.961 --> 01:08:09.623
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe they're going to team up for world tagging.
01:08:09.643 --> 01:08:10.003
[SPEAKER_02]: They won't.
01:08:10.664 --> 01:08:13.127
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be, Zach.
01:08:14.993 --> 01:08:20.118
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, it will be exactly what I'm sure, but who knows?
01:08:20.198 --> 01:08:22.340
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm interested in the Tai Chi Produce show.
01:08:22.361 --> 01:08:25.323
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll definitely buy that watch that review it.
01:08:25.544 --> 01:08:32.130
[SPEAKER_02]: So again, if there's any other Tai Chi appreciators out there, get a touch and we'll stick that one of the Patreon.
01:08:32.871 --> 01:08:34.372
[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.
01:08:34.633 --> 01:08:37.856
[SPEAKER_01]: I do like that tagging them a lot.
01:08:37.936 --> 01:08:38.957
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a part of me that's like,
01:08:41.354 --> 01:08:47.055
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to see OUA in tags with Zach, but then there's a, but I like to tag team a lot.
01:08:47.075 --> 01:08:47.495
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
01:08:47.515 --> 01:08:50.276
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I just think there's like bigger and brighter for OUA at this point.
01:08:52.496 --> 01:08:53.957
[SPEAKER_01]: But I do love that tag team.
01:08:54.377 --> 01:08:57.357
[SPEAKER_01]: Like honest, I say this without any hesitation.
01:08:58.198 --> 01:09:03.979
[SPEAKER_01]: And without a massive body of work, they're right up there with some of my favorite tag teams of all time.
01:09:04.519 --> 01:09:07.440
[SPEAKER_01]: I really do dig them a ton.
01:09:07.640 --> 01:09:08.980
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's that.
01:09:09.260 --> 01:09:09.560
[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.
01:09:11.959 --> 01:09:19.382
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, then there's a fifth match, a special single's match, Calumium and defeat Jeff Cobb, 30 minutes, 53 seconds with the make way.
01:09:20.462 --> 01:09:21.163
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought this was good.
01:09:21.263 --> 01:09:27.385
[SPEAKER_02]: I liked Jeff Cobb using Taxi Matchu as a weapon through him at Calumium and that was fun.
01:09:28.085 --> 01:09:29.926
[SPEAKER_02]: Just pretty much did what it said on the tin here.
01:09:30.126 --> 01:09:34.048
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was a nice little reintroduction of a showcase of Jeff Cobb.
01:09:34.608 --> 01:09:36.829
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm happy to have him back in this role as like a,
01:09:37.729 --> 01:09:41.010
[SPEAKER_02]: supporting acts to the new generation, make them look good.
01:09:41.130 --> 01:09:46.592
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe I'll be able to tag run, challenge for an ever or a TV, or to small to show you here and there.
01:09:47.052 --> 01:09:47.912
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just good to like it.
01:09:48.612 --> 01:09:52.034
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to say the word punishment, because this wasn't.
01:09:52.794 --> 01:10:02.957
[SPEAKER_01]: But, did you feel like this match was a little bit of, okay, we'll welcome you back, but we need you to do these things first.
01:10:03.017 --> 01:10:04.758
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, not first, but like, just know that
01:10:06.800 --> 01:10:11.303
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we're going to put you in a program with Calum, you're fucking losing it, just FYI.
01:10:11.663 --> 01:10:11.963
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
01:10:12.144 --> 01:10:12.384
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
01:10:12.544 --> 01:10:13.044
[SPEAKER_01]: Where do I sign?
01:10:13.685 --> 01:10:15.486
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, they're like, that was the vibe I got.
01:10:16.026 --> 01:10:18.548
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not like he went through the motions in this match.
01:10:18.588 --> 01:10:19.128
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't get me wrong.
01:10:19.709 --> 01:10:21.530
[SPEAKER_01]: But like, when that, when that fit,
01:10:22.747 --> 01:10:27.410
[SPEAKER_01]: There was a part of me that was like, okay, that was, I did what I needed to do.
01:10:27.650 --> 01:10:28.431
[SPEAKER_01]: Now I can move on.
01:10:28.871 --> 01:10:30.252
[SPEAKER_01]: We can all move on, right?
01:10:31.013 --> 01:10:34.195
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, yeah, that's the vibe I got.
01:10:34.735 --> 01:10:35.476
[SPEAKER_01]: And I can be dead wrong.
01:10:35.496 --> 01:10:41.360
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, that was the right thing to do.
01:10:41.560 --> 01:10:45.703
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's put it down, I'm all, I was all on board with it, yes.
01:10:47.015 --> 01:10:50.096
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he had to be so coerced into that or anything.
01:10:50.116 --> 01:10:52.656
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's probably grateful to have his job back.
01:10:53.616 --> 01:11:06.439
[SPEAKER_02]: He's read the room and I don't know, maybe he's probably grateful to have the opportunity and so pay it forward a bit and do play as part to make the next generation look good.
01:11:06.759 --> 01:11:15.861
[SPEAKER_02]: I know he's the stuff I've heard about him can be divisive controversial, but I suspect
01:11:16.661 --> 01:11:28.932
[SPEAKER_02]: The experiences he's had over the last few years has maybe brought him back down to Earth and what, and I'm sure he's grateful to be back in New Japan that is happy to contribute as he can.
01:11:29.333 --> 01:11:34.858
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I don't think he's going to be campaigning to get a big singles made of him push or anything like that.
01:11:35.552 --> 01:11:44.876
[SPEAKER_01]: He walked into the office, or get out when he was like, to the victors, go the spoils, and get her, and get her said, why don't you take your public at the fuck out of there?
01:11:44.896 --> 01:11:53.500
[SPEAKER_01]: Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,
01:11:54.829 --> 01:11:58.952
[SPEAKER_02]: Sixth match was the edge of WWE World TV Championship, much more really fly through this.
01:11:59.373 --> 01:12:05.277
[SPEAKER_02]: I should skywalk a defeat, could I just go to Kester, 10 minutes 12 seconds via Skyfall.
01:12:05.758 --> 01:12:07.179
[SPEAKER_02]: And I liked this as well.
01:12:07.219 --> 01:12:12.283
[SPEAKER_02]: I had some anxiety about what the House of Torture version of Should Skywalker would look like.
01:12:12.343 --> 01:12:14.185
[SPEAKER_02]: We got a little bit of cheating.
01:12:14.205 --> 01:12:15.265
[SPEAKER_02]: There was a powder spot.
01:12:15.306 --> 01:12:20.109
[SPEAKER_02]: There was some, I would say, light interference later on in the match, but I don't think it was anything
01:12:24.073 --> 01:12:25.554
[SPEAKER_02]: essentially one on his own merit.
01:12:26.154 --> 01:12:36.482
[SPEAKER_02]: I like his style, I like the way he kind of bates his opponent in and then sort of our balances then with very precision, very well-timed strikes.
01:12:36.682 --> 01:12:37.843
[SPEAKER_02]: I find it quite fun to watch, I-
01:12:39.128 --> 01:13:00.055
[SPEAKER_02]: I like the squawking noise that he does, and again, I'm not saying that this is peeks and skywalk, I'm sure this is a shadow of what he has been able to deliver at his peek when he was in Dragon Gate, but I'd say for a first outing, absolutely fine, and I suppose interesting that they obviously
01:13:00.955 --> 01:13:06.096
[SPEAKER_02]: respect him enough to have him win a match like this against the guy like to catch the and his first big match.
01:13:06.596 --> 01:13:16.299
[SPEAKER_02]: So they're obviously invested in him and yeah I enjoyed this one and I always like to see fresh faces and I thought he worked reasonably hard.
01:13:16.539 --> 01:13:19.100
[SPEAKER_02]: He said he's going to vacate the title and leave huge a pad.
01:13:19.120 --> 01:13:22.861
[SPEAKER_02]: He said he's achieved everything that he wants to achieve but he's going to bring up.
01:13:23.041 --> 01:13:24.341
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a very funny bit.
01:13:25.368 --> 01:13:26.791
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I have a few questions.
01:13:26.971 --> 01:13:30.097
[SPEAKER_01]: One, uh, why is he dressed like a slug?
01:13:30.437 --> 01:13:30.658
[SPEAKER_01]: Draw.
01:13:32.873 --> 01:13:34.373
[SPEAKER_02]: I forgot, I nearly forgot to say that.
01:13:34.453 --> 01:13:36.014
[SPEAKER_02]: Esther's watching it over my shoulder.
01:13:36.054 --> 01:13:37.794
[SPEAKER_02]: Daddy, why is that my dress as a slug?
01:13:39.875 --> 01:13:41.815
[SPEAKER_02]: That did adorable.
01:13:43.055 --> 01:13:56.018
[SPEAKER_02]: And that lived with the problem because anytime Esther does an impression of a snail or a slug as she goes with her belly, as she wriggles forward, as she goes, so then she was doing that for the next 20 minutes.
01:13:56.038 --> 01:13:57.659
[SPEAKER_02]: So I couldn't get her to stop.
01:13:57.779 --> 01:13:58.379
[SPEAKER_02]: Why would you?
01:13:59.079 --> 01:13:59.779
[SPEAKER_01]: I would love it.
01:14:03.080 --> 01:14:07.443
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, I thought the match was okay.
01:14:07.843 --> 01:14:13.187
[SPEAKER_01]: I did get the feeling though that to catch the lost up as we say, right?
01:14:13.467 --> 01:14:18.671
[SPEAKER_01]: He got that title off, so other things are probably in his future, I would think.
01:14:20.752 --> 01:14:24.095
[SPEAKER_01]: And I will say that a 15 minute sprint
01:14:25.327 --> 01:14:31.129
[SPEAKER_01]: is probably the perfect amount that I could digest from Shun at this point.
01:14:31.349 --> 01:14:34.070
[SPEAKER_01]: Me and I mean, like I don't want him in a 30 minute match.
01:14:34.510 --> 01:14:36.211
[SPEAKER_01]: I think a 15 minute sprint is fine.
01:14:38.271 --> 01:14:40.252
[SPEAKER_01]: It is a new face, you are exactly right.
01:14:40.692 --> 01:14:45.994
[SPEAKER_01]: It is a new person that we're going to focus on.
01:14:46.494 --> 01:14:47.935
[SPEAKER_01]: And it hasn't been,
01:14:48.993 --> 01:14:49.453
[SPEAKER_01]: terrible.
01:14:49.674 --> 01:14:51.375
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to say that it's been great.
01:14:51.815 --> 01:14:53.637
[SPEAKER_01]: It hasn't been terrible.
01:14:54.397 --> 01:14:58.920
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I think this is a kind of like, like, for me anyway, this is like a sweet spot.
01:14:59.461 --> 01:15:02.543
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, we have, we have guardrails.
01:15:03.724 --> 01:15:08.247
[SPEAKER_01]: Could there be nonsense, of course, there could be in future matches with them.
01:15:08.828 --> 01:15:12.951
[SPEAKER_01]: But, again, I could sum up a 15-minute TV title match.
01:15:13.611 --> 01:15:15.133
[SPEAKER_01]: That that that that seems like the perfect
01:15:17.930 --> 01:15:21.091
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'll be interested to see what his ceiling is in the promotion.
01:15:21.131 --> 01:15:35.396
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm curious to see if a, if a wedding does get bigger matches, you know, I suppose you could sort of slide it into that kind of Jake Leaver or where he could be a world title changer for like a new beginning or something like that.
01:15:35.476 --> 01:15:37.156
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, maybe they see him as bigger than that.
01:15:37.176 --> 01:15:39.497
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe they do see him as a future world champion.
01:15:39.537 --> 01:15:42.558
[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm just really, you honestly think that.
01:15:43.718 --> 01:15:45.079
[SPEAKER_02]: I can see the potential there.
01:15:45.380 --> 01:15:45.980
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't.
01:15:46.040 --> 01:15:46.321
[SPEAKER_01]: Night.
01:15:47.202 --> 01:15:47.902
[SPEAKER_01]: World title?
01:15:50.505 --> 01:15:51.246
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll go.
01:15:51.926 --> 01:15:53.088
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll go as high as a global.
01:15:53.808 --> 01:15:57.392
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't, I can't, I can't see the world.
01:15:59.173 --> 01:16:13.361
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, either way, I just, I'm interested to see if he can still go at the very tip top level and if he's able to recapture some of the magic that the peak of his Dragon Gate run, but I'm sure he's sort of easing his way back into that, but we move on.
01:16:13.821 --> 01:16:20.385
[SPEAKER_02]: The 7th match was a special signal as much as he goes to Gaggy defeating Claudio Casinooli, 50 minutes, 41 seconds last of the Dragon.
01:16:21.574 --> 01:16:25.918
[SPEAKER_02]: And, again, I feel like I'm just kind of handling these things.
01:16:25.938 --> 01:16:26.159
[SPEAKER_02]: Good.
01:16:26.379 --> 01:16:27.079
[SPEAKER_02]: I like this match.
01:16:27.120 --> 01:16:32.645
[SPEAKER_02]: It was, uh, I was trying to sort of put it into context and see, what's the big picture thing here.
01:16:32.665 --> 01:16:37.510
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if this is a part of a bigger long-term story, but even if it isn't,
01:16:38.110 --> 01:16:38.710
[SPEAKER_02]: I really like it.
01:16:38.730 --> 01:16:44.094
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just a fun one-off match to give Shingo something cool to do because Shingo is still really good.
01:16:44.134 --> 01:16:57.062
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not one of these people that's like, oh, you should be well champion, because I don't believe that, but I still think it's good to have the odd showcase match like this where you can be like, hey, yeah, look, you're still still fun guy to watch.
01:16:57.762 --> 01:17:01.985
[SPEAKER_02]: And as you said before, David, maybe a portent of more collaboration
01:17:06.828 --> 01:17:09.889
[SPEAKER_02]: death riders are bound company program.
01:17:09.909 --> 01:17:21.053
[SPEAKER_02]: You can do like the war dragons against mocks and cloudy or something or maybe this is a vehicle to get us to show to versus mocks at some point in the future because she go did call out mocks after that.
01:17:21.193 --> 01:17:28.055
[SPEAKER_02]: So it looks like we may be getting she go versus mocks somewhere and that might somehow get us to mocks versus
01:17:34.061 --> 01:17:58.108
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it feels like the beginning of something that's going to blossom a little bit further to help explain more AEW involvement right now the vibe I got was this felt like it was it was completely out of New Japan pocket right this was all about one guy going rogue a little bit and talking and settling scores with people in another promotion.
01:17:59.468 --> 01:18:24.265
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, I'm we're getting oral guessing that there's going to be connective tissue there, just in the scenarios that you laid out, but yeah, I don't know, I look, I like the match don't get me wrong, I don't know if it's, I don't, I don't, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I
01:18:25.853 --> 01:18:31.535
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, it's not 10 years ago, where I think this match would have probably knocked my socks off.
01:18:34.076 --> 01:18:36.317
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, it was, it was good.
01:18:36.997 --> 01:18:40.819
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't sit here and tell you that I like I'm, I'm begging to watch it again.
01:18:42.312 --> 01:19:01.062
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's what this whole show and I'll fill back as we fly through it but I think this is simply back of the whole show which is like yeah that was a pretty good match and I'll see you again right I don't think I don't think a lot of people will and I think I don't but here's the thing though I don't think we're on an island with that I think there's there's plenty of yes it was a good show yes
01:19:02.643 --> 01:19:15.827
[SPEAKER_02]: like it felt like a what we'll call a bridge show like we went from G1 I'm looking at I've just scorted through the podcast here and they keeping it stroked down and I've done like two and a half hours on this and we're gonna start off in the next 10 minutes.
01:19:16.287 --> 01:19:30.252
[SPEAKER_01]: That was a long, here's the thing we you know well they did they did two hours on Premier League I don't know if you know that yeah they they went they went deep into Manchester City and how does this impact a no-law they went into
01:19:33.183 --> 01:19:35.104
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that Jeremy's a big middlewood fund.
01:19:35.384 --> 01:19:36.025
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a big.
01:19:36.045 --> 01:19:37.646
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no one likes this.
01:19:37.726 --> 01:19:38.346
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't care.
01:19:40.287 --> 01:19:47.712
[SPEAKER_01]: The, but I do feel like this was like a bridge show in the sense of, you know, we got out of G1.
01:19:48.793 --> 01:19:53.255
[SPEAKER_01]: We are kind of looking forward to like, like, here's what this show helped do.
01:19:54.036 --> 01:19:56.597
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it helps set up King of Pro Wrestling.
01:19:56.817 --> 01:19:58.919
[SPEAKER_01]: King of Pro Wrestling look at a fucking banger of a show.
01:19:59.930 --> 01:20:05.341
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and I feel like this was like the bridge to that to help kind of push that narrative along.
01:20:05.862 --> 01:20:08.769
[SPEAKER_01]: That that's what it felt like at the end of the day when I turned this thing off.
01:20:12.602 --> 01:20:18.325
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and again, like, no one was expecting destruction to be some kind of mega show.
01:20:19.226 --> 01:20:22.467
[SPEAKER_02]: It was perfectly crumbly with some enjoyable wrestling matches.
01:20:22.607 --> 01:20:24.488
[SPEAKER_02]: And this was absolutely one of them.
01:20:24.989 --> 01:20:26.789
[SPEAKER_02]: And on we go, the eighth match.
01:20:26.890 --> 01:20:30.652
[SPEAKER_02]: This is global, heavyweight championship match, gave kids.
01:20:30.692 --> 01:20:32.613
[SPEAKER_02]: Defending successfully against Drilla Melody.
01:20:32.633 --> 01:20:35.574
[SPEAKER_02]: So at 19 minutes that it's ever seconds with a fisherman buster.
01:20:36.735 --> 01:20:40.577
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought this was, it was really good until it wasn't.
01:20:41.558 --> 01:20:46.189
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought they were working hard and it was nice and heated and they're working snug and having
01:20:47.100 --> 01:20:49.001
[SPEAKER_02]: what I thought was a good approximation of a garage match.
01:20:49.502 --> 01:20:56.166
[SPEAKER_02]: And then it all fell apart when there was that spot where there was a drill a killer and something went wrong.
01:20:56.666 --> 01:21:00.768
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think Marty seemed to think that Gabe was supposed to get his foot on the rope.
01:21:01.369 --> 01:21:06.192
[SPEAKER_02]: A Gabe seemed to think that his arm being under the rope counted as a rope break.
01:21:06.652 --> 01:21:11.395
[SPEAKER_02]: But Marty saw me just like inexplicably decided to stop counting and just sort of rolled over and went like,
01:21:12.235 --> 01:21:20.918
[SPEAKER_02]: and they put his foot on the rope and then everyone was like oh and they had to work quite hard to get them back after that.
01:21:20.938 --> 01:21:21.698
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought they did.
01:21:21.738 --> 01:21:25.879
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's been sort of though overstated how bad this match was.
01:21:25.939 --> 01:21:33.842
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was a pretty good, pretty pretty pretty good match with one really horrible moment in it.
01:21:34.522 --> 01:21:35.602
[SPEAKER_01]: So they couldn't recover from.
01:21:36.102 --> 01:21:37.243
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm sorry they couldn't.
01:21:37.463 --> 01:21:38.683
[SPEAKER_01]: And here's the thing.
01:21:41.476 --> 01:21:47.222
[SPEAKER_01]: There's gotta be a mutual understanding in pro wrestling.
01:21:48.103 --> 01:21:52.447
[SPEAKER_01]: When something like this happens, what is the protocol?
01:21:53.027 --> 01:21:54.569
[SPEAKER_01]: Like what do you do?
01:21:55.130 --> 01:22:03.918
[SPEAKER_01]: Because it feels like at that moment, panic one, and Marty, just he knew that wasn't a finish,
01:22:05.000 --> 01:22:15.681
[SPEAKER_01]: And he was really trying to labor that three count and then yeah, he went into paralysis and decided he was going to, you know,
01:22:16.673 --> 01:22:26.737
[SPEAKER_01]: And so not only that, but like sometimes, you're fortunate enough to get a camera angle where it just doesn't look as preposterous as this did.
01:22:27.198 --> 01:22:33.160
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it was just exactly what we did, the drones were everywhere.
01:22:33.420 --> 01:22:36.241
[SPEAKER_01]: Anybody who was watching this, we just just like, oh Lord.
01:22:36.642 --> 01:22:43.084
[SPEAKER_01]: But like, I don't understand, like, I remember reading somewhere
01:22:45.118 --> 01:22:58.571
[SPEAKER_01]: And this might have just been a WWE thing that the referee counts and it is not the referee's decision to stop, start, protect a finish, whatever the case may be.
01:22:58.891 --> 01:23:03.796
[SPEAKER_01]: The referee counts because when he doesn't
01:23:05.273 --> 01:23:06.714
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just horrendous.
01:23:07.195 --> 01:23:11.718
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, if that wasn't to finish, fuck you will figure it out afterward.
01:23:11.898 --> 01:23:12.339
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
01:23:12.359 --> 01:23:13.580
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's a pro wrestling.
01:23:13.620 --> 01:23:15.942
[SPEAKER_01]: We can do something to figure it the fuck out.
01:23:16.562 --> 01:23:17.763
[SPEAKER_01]: But I got to be honest with you.
01:23:18.303 --> 01:23:21.986
[SPEAKER_01]: My role is the ref fucking counts.
01:23:22.567 --> 01:23:26.970
[SPEAKER_01]: And unfortunately, it felt like Marty panicked, because he knew that wasn't to finish.
01:23:27.551 --> 01:23:30.973
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's an arm's going down and he had nothing to do.
01:23:37.177 --> 01:23:37.417
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:23:38.658 --> 01:23:38.978
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
01:23:39.719 --> 01:23:41.980
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, that's about all to say about the match.
01:23:42.221 --> 01:23:46.264
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the sort of full out of it is interesting.
01:23:46.464 --> 01:23:49.626
[SPEAKER_02]: It is much as a show to came about each other's game.
01:23:49.646 --> 01:23:51.227
[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to rest looking for a wrestling.
01:23:51.247 --> 01:23:53.949
[SPEAKER_02]: And I imagine that's where show to wins the belt back.
01:23:54.129 --> 01:23:56.551
[SPEAKER_02]: But what happens with Drinner?
01:23:57.031 --> 01:23:57.952
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm interested where he goes.
01:23:57.992 --> 01:23:59.593
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, a lot of goodwill for him.
01:23:59.613 --> 01:24:00.754
[SPEAKER_02]: He did a tabahashi trip.
01:24:00.774 --> 01:24:01.995
[SPEAKER_02]: He'd first seem to really like him.
01:24:03.836 --> 01:24:05.117
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you think you do with a Drinner?
01:24:06.833 --> 01:24:16.460
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's still in the mix, it's still in its infancy in the sense of him being taken seriously as a singles guy.
01:24:17.341 --> 01:24:23.005
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so I don't think this kills any momentum or steam that he might have where it is he goes.
01:24:23.146 --> 01:24:23.526
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
01:24:25.386 --> 01:24:32.493
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if we're assuming that to catch the lost up, would you do TV title with a skywalker?
01:24:33.293 --> 01:24:35.355
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, maybe there's too many fucking titles.
01:24:35.375 --> 01:24:36.316
[SPEAKER_02]: It was just stick any of them.
01:24:36.336 --> 01:24:39.659
[SPEAKER_02]: You can have a well, technically gruddy, do the rubbish and go with a little bit.
01:24:39.679 --> 01:24:41.020
[SPEAKER_02]: No, there they go.
01:24:41.060 --> 01:24:42.221
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think anybody would complain about that.
01:24:43.302 --> 01:24:43.502
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:24:44.283 --> 01:24:44.443
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:24:45.344 --> 01:24:48.206
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he's actually... Could be.
01:24:48.727 --> 01:24:49.027
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe.
01:24:49.567 --> 01:24:50.668
[SPEAKER_02]: Are they the same faction?
01:24:51.289 --> 01:24:52.370
[SPEAKER_02]: They are the same faction.
01:24:53.712 --> 01:24:54.313
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, yeah, I think so, right?
01:24:54.353 --> 01:24:54.513
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:24:54.533 --> 01:24:54.633
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:24:54.653 --> 01:24:55.053
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I can be wrong.
01:24:55.073 --> 01:24:55.573
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just to make sense.
01:24:55.593 --> 01:24:56.034
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't, it applies.
01:24:56.054 --> 01:25:07.162
[SPEAKER_02]: No, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don't, you don
01:25:07.738 --> 01:25:08.659
[SPEAKER_02]: sit right in my brain.
01:25:08.699 --> 01:25:13.663
[SPEAKER_02]: My brain doesn't have that short cut like it does with other teammates and other factions.
01:25:14.303 --> 01:25:17.586
[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever I'm like, oh Oscar is in the same faction.
01:25:17.626 --> 01:25:18.606
[SPEAKER_02]: It's Taiji Shibori.
01:25:19.227 --> 01:25:20.828
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, she goes in the same faction.
01:25:20.848 --> 01:25:22.650
[SPEAKER_02]: It's Taiji Nagai.
01:25:22.970 --> 01:25:23.270
[SPEAKER_02]: Really?
01:25:23.350 --> 01:25:23.550
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:25:23.730 --> 01:25:24.111
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
01:25:24.131 --> 01:25:24.991
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, that is right.
01:25:25.532 --> 01:25:26.513
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that has a stuck with me.
01:25:26.633 --> 01:25:28.354
[SPEAKER_01]: There'll be onto there.
01:25:28.414 --> 01:25:29.095
[SPEAKER_01]: It is a weird thing.
01:25:29.395 --> 01:25:36.721
[SPEAKER_01]: Because quite honestly, let's like aside from a T-shirt, like what synergy does unbound have?
01:25:37.594 --> 01:25:42.215
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, they don't feel like they have that a synergy that we're normally accustomed to when it comes to a faction.
01:25:43.356 --> 01:25:45.416
[SPEAKER_02]: No, the gimmick of the faction is rather than select.
01:25:46.017 --> 01:25:46.297
[SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
01:25:46.477 --> 01:25:46.637
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:25:46.997 --> 01:25:47.157
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:25:47.557 --> 01:25:47.737
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:25:47.877 --> 01:25:48.417
[SPEAKER_01]: And a t-shirt.
01:25:48.577 --> 01:25:48.757
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:25:48.797 --> 01:25:49.338
[SPEAKER_01]: It's brilliant.
01:25:49.718 --> 01:25:52.378
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it doesn't feel like there's any cohesive unit there.
01:25:52.699 --> 01:25:54.779
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just we have nothing else to do with you.
01:25:54.819 --> 01:26:01.041
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're, we're putting you here so that, you know, when the, so that you all can get on the bus at the same time, really what it feels like.
01:26:03.670 --> 01:26:09.434
[SPEAKER_02]: And that takes us to the main events, which was the IWGP Heavyweight Championship match.
01:26:09.474 --> 01:26:21.121
[SPEAKER_02]: Yo-to-Soo-G, successfully defending against Heroic, goto 24 minutes, one second, fireblaster, and Yo-to-Soo-G, no, goto did the e-honder, like headbutt thing, and that was sick.
01:26:21.361 --> 01:26:22.121
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
01:26:23.262 --> 01:26:24.823
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:26:24.843 --> 01:26:28.805
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know that this movie is just now being released in the United States.
01:26:29.426 --> 01:26:29.886
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you know that?
01:26:31.010 --> 01:26:31.510
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I didn't.
01:26:31.530 --> 01:26:33.551
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I don't know what the release date is there, actually.
01:26:34.392 --> 01:26:34.912
[SPEAKER_01]: October.
01:26:34.972 --> 01:26:36.773
[SPEAKER_01]: It's here in the state.
01:26:37.454 --> 01:26:38.414
[SPEAKER_01]: October 18th.
01:26:38.614 --> 01:26:39.015
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to say.
01:26:39.955 --> 01:26:43.697
[SPEAKER_01]: I could be too wrong with the exact number, but I thought I saw I saw I saw a commercial for.
01:26:43.717 --> 01:26:45.819
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, wait, I thought this movie came out.
01:26:47.019 --> 01:26:47.980
[SPEAKER_01]: No, not in the state.
01:26:48.000 --> 01:26:48.920
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, apparently not.
01:26:48.960 --> 01:26:51.462
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:26:51.502 --> 01:26:51.822
[SPEAKER_01]: No idea.
01:26:52.062 --> 01:26:53.083
[SPEAKER_02]: Where did you see it?
01:26:53.263 --> 01:26:54.003
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll do it.
01:26:54.083 --> 01:26:56.044
[SPEAKER_02]: I will watch it and I'll do a picture and show it.
01:26:56.205 --> 01:26:57.145
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought you saw it already.
01:27:00.041 --> 01:27:01.681
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought you were already saw this move.
01:27:01.701 --> 01:27:06.083
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought you went to the actual movie theater to say that was also come back.
01:27:07.263 --> 01:27:09.163
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I get a more confused.
01:27:10.024 --> 01:27:10.684
[SPEAKER_01]: God damn it.
01:27:10.984 --> 01:27:11.664
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay.
01:27:12.204 --> 01:27:12.844
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
01:27:13.264 --> 01:27:13.985
[SPEAKER_02]: Game's wrong.
01:27:14.565 --> 01:27:16.185
[SPEAKER_01]: I got it wrong again.
01:27:16.205 --> 01:27:18.006
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my.
01:27:18.026 --> 01:27:19.346
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay, so there you go.
01:27:19.646 --> 01:27:20.126
[SPEAKER_01]: You didn't say it.
01:27:21.086 --> 01:27:21.466
[SPEAKER_01]: October.
01:27:21.786 --> 01:27:22.427
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see you together.
01:27:23.027 --> 01:27:23.807
[SPEAKER_01]: But we'll watch along.
01:27:27.386 --> 01:27:27.746
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that a tie?
01:27:27.766 --> 01:27:28.467
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a tie.
01:27:28.907 --> 01:27:29.908
[SPEAKER_02]: Richie versus Goto.
01:27:29.968 --> 01:27:31.309
[SPEAKER_02]: It was good.
01:27:31.449 --> 01:27:33.431
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's good.
01:27:33.791 --> 01:27:34.391
[SPEAKER_02]: I like his good.
01:27:34.592 --> 01:27:37.114
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's good at being a dickhead, right here.
01:27:37.574 --> 01:27:40.236
[SPEAKER_02]: He could control the match in his own cocky way.
01:27:40.856 --> 01:27:45.180
[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought he generated a good baby face energy, sympathy for Goto.
01:27:46.221 --> 01:27:47.842
[SPEAKER_02]: No point did I think Goto was good at win?
01:27:48.482 --> 01:27:49.343
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
01:27:49.643 --> 01:27:55.608
[SPEAKER_02]: Before the match or during the match, which somewhat limited my dramatic investment in it,
01:27:57.953 --> 01:28:00.716
[SPEAKER_01]: See you next week.
01:28:00.876 --> 01:28:02.097
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this was a bridge show.
01:28:02.517 --> 01:28:04.159
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, that's the best way I can call it.
01:28:04.499 --> 01:28:10.424
[SPEAKER_01]: He got a win over an established name that people love and away we go.
01:28:10.484 --> 01:28:12.786
[SPEAKER_01]: We're looking forward to Suji and the O.A.W.
01:28:12.946 --> 01:28:13.487
[SPEAKER_01]: King of Progress.
01:28:15.277 --> 01:28:15.457
[SPEAKER_02]: Great.
01:28:15.477 --> 01:28:16.758
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that was destruction in folks.
01:28:17.558 --> 01:28:19.319
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
01:28:19.399 --> 01:28:20.340
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, he's going to face it.
01:28:20.360 --> 01:28:21.500
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, when it's all right, what's covered up?
01:28:21.520 --> 01:28:23.241
[SPEAKER_02]: We've got some shows.
01:28:23.701 --> 01:28:24.382
[SPEAKER_02]: There's shows, David.
01:28:24.462 --> 01:28:25.622
[SPEAKER_02]: There's New Japan shows.
01:28:25.983 --> 01:28:26.883
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll tell you what they are.
01:28:27.343 --> 01:28:29.985
[SPEAKER_02]: There's couple coming up from Korakuen Hall.
01:28:30.945 --> 01:28:38.788
[SPEAKER_02]: Once on the next Tuesday, we'll be one of them from Kirkwood Hall and on that show we'll be a whole lot of bullshit.
01:28:41.829 --> 01:28:50.072
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm tired of my silence lots and I keep coughing and I don't know how to mute the coughs on YouTube so the YouTube list is going to happen.
01:28:51.673 --> 01:29:01.984
[SPEAKER_02]: The main event is the IWGP Tag Championship match where Oscar and Utah Ice will challenge, greater card and H&RH, do you think they get the titles back off of them at the first attempt?
01:29:03.085 --> 01:29:04.546
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I want to say yes.
01:29:05.947 --> 01:29:14.776
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I use the thing, I think it, like, I mean, you know, I think it is kind of bored with this shit, be quick, Frank, and he wants to do other things.
01:29:15.577 --> 01:29:18.019
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, the quick that they drop the titles, the better.
01:29:18.039 --> 01:29:20.682
[SPEAKER_01]: So yes, I think that we will see a title change here.
01:29:21.442 --> 01:29:22.083
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure, why not.
01:29:22.303 --> 01:29:32.109
[SPEAKER_02]: And then the show on Wednesday, also, of course, is notable because of the fifth match, we've got the debut of Eris from Vietnam, pro wrestling.
01:29:32.149 --> 01:29:40.934
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, really good little sort of mini documentary following Yo to Suji, his trip to Vietnam, which apparently paid for out of his own pocket.
01:29:42.237 --> 01:29:43.918
[SPEAKER_02]: So a really good ambassador to work there.
01:29:44.238 --> 01:29:47.300
[SPEAKER_02]: But it really, really fun watch brought back some nice memories for me.
01:29:47.320 --> 01:29:48.340
[SPEAKER_02]: I went on holiday there once.
01:29:48.360 --> 01:30:00.526
[SPEAKER_02]: So seeing it, we go around Ho Chi Minh and eat some good food, and then going to spend some time with the wrestlers at their humble training facilities and go to Vietnam Pro Wrestling.
01:30:00.546 --> 01:30:01.307
[SPEAKER_02]: So it was really cool.
01:30:01.607 --> 01:30:03.108
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm interested to see
01:30:04.589 --> 01:30:08.753
[SPEAKER_02]: What this is like is this area is going to be like a long-term thing.
01:30:08.793 --> 01:30:13.537
[SPEAKER_02]: Is he joining the dojo or is this going to be like just a short sort of excursion step for him.
01:30:13.617 --> 01:30:17.981
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I'm interested to see how he looks in him.
01:30:18.922 --> 01:30:20.263
[SPEAKER_02]: This is this is big right.
01:30:20.303 --> 01:30:24.066
[SPEAKER_02]: This is Coracun Hall and he's teaming with the World Champion.
01:30:24.707 --> 01:30:26.829
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, Zach Saber Jr and your hey, I work.
01:30:27.309 --> 01:30:27.689
[SPEAKER_02]: I think so.
01:30:27.709 --> 01:30:30.952
[SPEAKER_02]: That's really, really big spot for your first match in
01:30:33.425 --> 01:30:33.885
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
01:30:34.506 --> 01:30:35.146
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that question.
01:30:37.067 --> 01:30:43.289
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think this is going to be the first shot a lot of people are going to have to see them in action.
01:30:46.750 --> 01:30:48.712
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that I mean, that is a big spot.
01:30:49.172 --> 01:30:54.716
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I think everybody will be kind of eyes on that and see, like, I mean, well, what exactly do we got here?
01:30:54.736 --> 01:31:03.564
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, it could be just a simple thing of, well, yeah, you know, I don't even think it's going to be like a simple thing of, oh, yeah, he's just fucking going to get his ass kicked and that's going to be that.
01:31:03.604 --> 01:31:05.705
[SPEAKER_01]: No, and this is, they weren't going to do that.
01:31:05.725 --> 01:31:10.129
[SPEAKER_01]: They would do that with just, you know, they wouldn't put him in that match to have him just just do that.
01:31:10.209 --> 01:31:11.030
[SPEAKER_01]: I would think, right?
01:31:11.997 --> 01:31:16.979
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah, so I think it's a match from the top, like this is really get some time, right?
01:31:16.999 --> 01:31:19.400
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not like some sort of opening young lines match.
01:31:19.420 --> 01:31:23.802
[SPEAKER_02]: This is as far as a seven match, Coral could show ghosts.
01:31:23.862 --> 01:31:26.583
[SPEAKER_02]: It's one of the feature matches, right?
01:31:26.943 --> 01:31:37.028
[SPEAKER_01]: And if we're being honest here, it's not like, you know, a rev pro guy coming in or a, you know, a ring of honor guy coming in or whatever, like, like,
01:31:37.608 --> 01:31:44.495
[SPEAKER_01]: where fans can access that information and watch matches and kind of get a taste.
01:31:44.575 --> 01:31:49.761
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't think there's a lot of footage out there of Vietnam Pro Wrestling.
01:31:50.241 --> 01:31:52.143
[SPEAKER_01]: And if there is, it's under my radar.
01:31:52.404 --> 01:31:53.244
[SPEAKER_01]: That's for fucking sure.
01:31:53.825 --> 01:31:55.287
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I think this is a,
01:31:57.653 --> 01:31:58.294
[SPEAKER_01]: What a spot!
01:31:58.855 --> 01:31:59.395
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
01:31:59.435 --> 01:32:00.036
[SPEAKER_01]: What a spot!
01:32:00.056 --> 01:32:13.254
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm definitely interested in checking that out, and it does make me feel bad because I didn't let you down, but because I haven't done anything yet, but, yeah, I'm into this, and I am absolutely looking forward to watching that.
01:32:14.735 --> 01:32:17.076
[SPEAKER_02]: We've also got etchisero of these two shows.
01:32:17.316 --> 01:32:19.496
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's going to be involved in six man tag action.
01:32:19.516 --> 01:32:26.658
[SPEAKER_02]: So the wednesday, the match, he's tagging with Tatsumetsumoto and Aaron Wolf against Hartley Jackson, Robbie Eagles, Jose Fujita.
01:32:27.499 --> 01:32:30.419
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'd curious to see maybe feed fires this way.
01:32:30.539 --> 01:32:38.702
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe he's the ex etchisero community with Lockout Brothers against Osprey and the Holy Seaman army.
01:32:38.742 --> 01:32:39.722
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, he's cool.
01:32:39.802 --> 01:32:40.562
[SPEAKER_02]: I like etchisero.
01:32:44.980 --> 01:32:45.520
[SPEAKER_02]: Thorough could show.
01:32:45.761 --> 01:32:47.622
[SPEAKER_02]: Good, nice, like, happy.
01:32:48.483 --> 01:32:50.404
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Corough could show us pretty much pretty fun.
01:32:50.424 --> 01:32:51.685
[SPEAKER_01]: A little spicy, I like it.
01:32:51.885 --> 01:32:52.766
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm diggin' it, mate.
01:32:55.027 --> 01:33:00.571
[SPEAKER_02]: And then the beta fed, as we've already discussed, yo versus Robbie X, and we're hoping for Robbie X to pull the upset there.
01:33:00.591 --> 01:33:05.615
[SPEAKER_02]: He won't, and yo's probably gonna hold this well for another 18 months, but that's what should happen.
01:33:05.875 --> 01:33:06.776
[SPEAKER_02]: Robbie X should win here.
01:33:07.505 --> 01:33:11.848
[SPEAKER_01]: What if I took the odds, I'll take your big odds and say, Robby X wins the title.
01:33:12.489 --> 01:33:14.010
[SPEAKER_01]: Would you probably not?
01:33:14.110 --> 01:33:14.891
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll take the odds though.
01:33:14.951 --> 01:33:15.611
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going Robby X.
01:33:15.732 --> 01:33:16.032
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go.
01:33:16.052 --> 01:33:18.474
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's fuck you guys.
01:33:18.674 --> 01:33:20.535
[SPEAKER_02]: Robby, Robby, Robby, I know, that's the Robby.
01:33:20.575 --> 01:33:21.756
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's all right.
01:33:22.857 --> 01:33:24.499
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, we get, we get, we get, we get, we get, we get.
01:33:26.620 --> 01:33:27.181
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, that's it.
01:33:28.562 --> 01:33:28.762
[SPEAKER_01]: Fine.