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you're listening to the tribe Nail Tuck podcast where nail techs find inspiration and motivation to take their career to
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the next level. We welcome you here now Tribe up and Slayer Day Here is your host Becky Bunel. Hi, everybody. Welcome to today's episode of Tribe Deltek Podcast. I'm so happy and excited that you're here today. Today's episode is sponsored by So Jonelle and I have my guest today as Deanne Damrell on Welcome Dion. Hello? No. Are you
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we're doing? Get over here. How are you doing? Good.
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I'm so glad you agree to be on today. And, um first of all, let's everybody let everybody know who a little bit about you. So if you want to start in, tell us all about Dan.
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Okay, Um I have done else for going on 12 years. I went to Nell School when I was still in high school as the start of my cosmetology program. It was not part of my plan at all, but they gonna see the teachers at Usu Eastern was like no start now start nails. And now it's the biggest part of my life. I am the social educator for carbon counting and surroundings. I've been doing that now since 2016. I love to educate. It was my mingle. Going into cosmetology is becoming educator in the college and as, like, my favorite product to And then I, um, just recently had a brand new baby. So I slow down in the salon quite a bit. I used to work in the salon 60 hours a week, full day. It was my life commitment and baby change that. But she she likes us launch you. So we go there quite a bit. Uh, I've been married for I say 12 years, but it's not been 12 years. I've just lived with my husband for 12 years, and I have now recently become the new main educator at, um us. You Eastern. I work there. Well, I worked there almost every day, but I worked there two nights a week and teach the nail program. It's part of the cosmetology program. So we get some people that just do Nelson. Some people that do the full cosmetology program. That's about it.
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I love it. So me and Ian have a lot in common. Um, I was also an instructor of the College. When it was actually before that one. It was College of Eastern Utah, so we were kind of discussing that a little bit before we I started recording today that we both were able to teach there. So it's awesome. Yes, it's great. I love it. So in today's episode, I wanted to talk a little bit about education. For those of you out there that are listening that maybe dabble in nails, your A D I wire, um, and you thought about going to school. Obviously, every single state is different and requires different hours. And, um, and internationally is way different because they have to certify each module and get certified in that as a nail tech. But here in the States, we typically take the nail education program. Each state is a different set of hours. Then when you complete that, you go take your state board so you usually have a practical end, a condom written exam, and if he successfully Paschal's, then you are issued a license. So today I want to talk about a little bit about educating and the difference between going to a school and apprenticing under some pretty so Dan tell me what? Um, first of all, how many hours for some of the goals to an male school in Utah? They want to become license now. Tech. What's the process for that? How many hours is that? And typically, what does it, um, intel like, What's their curriculum kind of day in, Day out? And how does that look for you as an instructor? What? What do you do day in and day out?
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So I'm with us. You Eastern. It's a university, but we have the tech program as well, and the good thing about that is starting this year. At some point, if it's a check program, their tuition is going going to be cut in half. So it's gonna like in our area. That's really nice, because we have a ton of tech programs, mechanics, aviation, things like that. So when you're you don't have to pay full tuition anymore. If you're going to tech program, so on, you have to pay your tuition and then we offer you a kit and you pay for your kids. Then you're going to start school. We run a night program at our school. It's a 300. Our class. It's over 16 weeks now we have started. We're pretty fast paced. At first, you you learn your basics manicures, pedicure ing. Then we go into a little bit more extensive spot work. There we do hot oils, we dio para fins. We do spot pedicures. We teach them different kinds of procedure so they can offer what they want. They can upgrade how they want, and we teach them upgrades and stuff like that and how you need a pamper your clients and and do what your clients would like. And then it goes into where wraps on state boards anymore. We dabble. I showed him how to do rap stuff like that, just so they're kind of knowledgeable on all the things. Then you have dips, you have gel, polish is, and then you get into your enhancements and we do acrylics, peak and whites. We learned three different acrylics. They have to have odorless on their state board. So we do the odorless first, of course. And we focus on that quite a bit because our main focus in school, of course, is that State board examination, right? That's what we're required to help them passes that state board examination. So But we want to offer them extras to, of course, because if you go and get educated, especially in a school setting, there's not a lot of personalization to it. You have to pass the state board. That's our main main focus. So we go in, we learned tip lens, we learn the sculpted Nell and, um, we learn that red polish and make it perfect and stuff like that. And then we work into different kinds of acrylics In our school. We go into absolute in CND just so they know the consistencies and the dry times air so different Macon They could bring something in, and we can show him whatever they want. They say, Hey, this is popular right now on on social media. I would love for them to just bring it in so we can show them like this is proper way. This is proper technique. So now, with gel being such a big being now is we really want to focus on over half of our 16 weeks we have started doing Joe. So you know, we might start with Parley Joe just so they can have their consistency and then then we're so Jill school. So we go right into so gel, and that's what I would want to teach them. I want them to be perfect at. I want them to be certified when they leave, and I want them to be able to offer their clients the best of their abilities from school. Not, oh, she's new. Let's wait a few years or something like that. I want them to be the best that they can be as soon as they leave that school right. And so, with services in the school setting is, they have to do so many of each service. And so they have their little time. She and stuff like that. They do so many of each service, and that's made me so they can perfect it in practice, stay in school. It's not necessarily like a state requirement to do so many services in school, but we have a large amount of services do in our school so they can be perfect at what they were going to do today. Our is we have a theory or an hour and 1/2 4 days a week and have lab next four hours, and they do have a small right there with that lab being four hours long. Now it really lets us Stammel. We call him in demo in two days. So we demo. When you do, we partner up and we do it. And then the next one time that week is a client date, and then they do what they have learned that week. Once we get to the point where they're doing multiple services, they have to teach. They have to treat that demo day like a client day. I want them to run it just like a salon ship. They tell me how long they want their clients schedule. They tell me that it takes 1/2 hour or an hour. I want them to learn how to schedule and do it in that time frame.
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Awesome. Yes, I think that's really important. So that sounds pretty similar to some kind of how it was run when I was there. Remember doing that in the services of working on each other and it was still a night shift. Um, and so pretty much. How are how do you guys work? Tardis absences like they have it. Sounds like you've got the 16 weeks you said. And are they pretty much like they need to be there every day? Like what if they miss a day or have any multiples hours like, how does that work as being in a school?
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So with that is, I tell them that this is their They need to be committed to these hours that we cut it pretty close. You know, I I do have outside assignments. I do have things like that. That's it teaches them things mainly in the theory. Um, with outside lab. It's kind of hard just because we have to take pictures and they can't really examine how their work is, and it's usually on a plastic finger. And so it's such like influenza season. Let's say right now I had a girl that can't come to school, so I've just been working with her, making sure her homework has turned in and trying to go over it the best I can with her. But I'm gonna have to catch up next week, and that takes away from other students time. So with the absences and stuff, if you have five absences, it will lower your grade one grade level and you have to graduate as 75%. So a C plus or you have to come back. And with the theory end of that, that's very important. They'll usually drop that very great a lot quicker than that lab grade on. They can catch up lab because when we're in this industry, I feel like our brains work that way. We can. We can do that a lot easier than learn it without being taught it. So they just have to be really, really committed to that school schedule and they have been. And this I try to give them leniency, and we do have We do a lot of community events that helps us with that leniency in those hours and stuff like that and in the community events. It's not like they're just going out and doing some around and think it's managers of pedicures. It's helping else thoroughly with their now care stuff like that. That's very important so they can earn things like that. If they happen to schedule vacation or a wedding or something, that's just has to happen, and then we do Saturdays that is, full client days And so they learn how to run a full eight. Our client today and also I also try toe run the schedule. Like, right now, our schedule says 328 hours. So a snow day happens or something in the school is leaking. It gives us a little bit of there that we can do that, too. So that's 28 hours extra. But, you know, we just do that. We'd rather be there 20 day hours extra, and we'll tell them, Hey, we've hit 300 hours But how would you guys feel about coming next week? And let's just practice what you want to be practicing and especially if they've all licensed already and they're ready. What do you want to be offering in the salon? What do you want to learn? And perfect? Even more so. So that's where those 20 outwards extra is. I'd rather give those girls 20 hours extra and let them I know that they're leaving the school at a comfortable place to be in the salon,
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right? I think that's the biggest thing is like, um, I totally agree with you when you said our job as instructors to get people licensed its to passel state boards, its first informal such just the way it is. And I don't know how many times I hear over and over again from different nail techs that have recently graduated or whatever. And they're like, I feel like I didn't learn anything in school. I feel like all I did was learn how to pass a state worth, and I confirmed that with them on my get. That's our job is to get you to pass the state boards. As sad as that is, you know, sometimes I feel like our program could be a lot more hours in Utah. You know, maybe that'll change. There are some states that are like 100 hours 650 you know, and we have the 3/5 of 300 or the 3 75 your benefits. So it's It's a little time because I tell everybody it's what you've learned after school. It really makes you that now. Thank you, our I say that over and over and over again. Your education doesn't stop when you're done with school. It's just beginning.
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Yet I always pushed continued education. It doesn't matter if I teach you all the so gel in the whole world. I would hope you would go out and continue your education on that. Or if you love Sandy or if you're not comfortable with your electric file, I want you to go get certified in those things. I want you to get every bit of information from different people, teach different ways. We'll learn what they have.
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Yes, and I also say like I'm I'm dedicated to so gel like that's the hard jail that I use on every single client. I don't very on my my product, but I've been to a light elegance class. Um, I'm thinking of taking a young males class, and for me, it's not because I probably won't use that psychotic. I don't know, maybe I will, but it's because you can learn something from every company and 26 liters. I'm still learning. You never stop learning. I tell people all the time. Once you stopped learning and think that you know it all, then you should be done because you're you're gonna get lost, you're gonna get a lot of the industry. You've got to constantly be learning. And like I said, if I can go to a class and weren't learn one new thing from them, it was worth it to invest in myself into invest in my career. So I definitely agree with that. I I'll talk a little bit about apprenticeships, though. Currently I have two students, and so I'm offering apprenticeship that my new salon and education center, which is pretty exciting. So how it works in Utah is it's 375 required hours and pretty much the same thing. Like I get all the manuals, Um, they have to have 37.5 hours of the reading and setting before they could start. So I have them do that. I think the difference a lot of difference between that and the school is I don't stand up in front of a classroom and say, Okay, today we're on Chapter one, and this is what we're discussing, and I don't go through it up on the white board and and pretty much their books. Is there still steady on their own at home? And that's their responsibility. I give them the workshop at work book. I give them the testing book, and so that study in, you know, is kind of on their own that they have to study that book. Um, they come in day one. Also, we we did manicures and pedicures or one day and then I turned around and I said, OK, chance on let's have you do it on each other This and that. So kind of the same concept I would I break it into the little classes I demo the you know, the odorless a chronic I demo, the hard gel, the gel polish manicures, all those things And then they see what I do. They can pull shares up and they watch me work my eight hours of the day, day in, day out How I actually have gone Do that with every single client. How every book, how I take phone calls, how I reschedule and just kind of like the troubleshooting. The know this person has a pocket lifted like it's like, Hey, girls, this is a pocket lift. This is what it looks like. This is what you need to do to fix it. You know, this person shipped off half of their Now we can either clip it off and start over or we can, you know, cut it back and rebuild it out. So they get the day in day out of watching me of what I dio as a nail tech and Ben. There are their responsibility to bring in models into bringing science. And then they doing there, and then I'm there watching them. When they're done with the client, they bring it over to me and they show me what they've done. I critique them. I tell them what they could do, different what they need to do better. And so they learn all that. They learn how to do the towel, they learn. Like I said, just, um, all those different things. I I encourage them to build up their social media platforms and to start advertising and posting their work, taking a before and after picture because now we know today's day and age. That's as much how we get our clients a social media. It's a huge. So I tried to encourage them how to do those different things, but they learned the sanitation. They watch they you know, just all of that. So it's a little different. They're just two different ways in Utah of how Teoh to get your license in to get your hours. So 375 hours for the apprenticeship and same thing when they're done, we, um, help them figure out OK, how we packed the kid and what supplies we need to take to take to our state boards. There's practice tests they can do online to get ready for their theory test. And, um, every day I'm signing off on hours, probably just like you do in school science off that they've been there in the different services and the fake oddity clients. And then we prepare them and get them ready. And hopefully they going past their state boards and get their licenses. So two different ways in Utah. No every state. Um, I don't think every is every state allows a pernicious either. I'm not 100% sure, but it's usually more hours to do an apprenticeship, so they are kind of different. But they are a lot of light, also, what I feel like if people are pretty good with their studying skills than the apprenticeship. Um, I guess I guess there's difference is my girls are They're not on a really set schedule. I typically work three days a week, and so they do want to be there those three days a week. Obviously, they can't get practical hours. If I'm not here or you're not there, they have to be in with an instructor. Um, but, um, if they wake up in, their kid has the flu. It's just like, Hey, I can't come in today and it's like, Okay, so I feel like or sometimes moms, um, the apprenticeship. If you could make it work. I feel like it's kind of a little bit more flexible because it's not the absence is the grade all that stuff? It can work around your schedule a little bit easier ears, Um, but also, I'm honest with my girls. It's like I don't want you to take six months because I can't take another Chronis until you're done. So I tried to tell them about this pain. You probably need to be done within 3 to 4 months. Get your stuff on. Don't Don't just drag your feet, get and be serious about it, be their daily and, um, get your stuff done. And same thing. I just feel like the more hands on. They do, the more models they bring in, more clients they bring in while they're in schooling. Then we have the chance to be able to emit critique that work so that they're more confident when they do leave. And I'm sure you encourage that to like. A lot of people are little really nervous about bringing people and what it's like. It's to your value to bring people. And because you want to be critique, do you want us? Just They hate that stupid little different because you really don't want the plan calling you back and complaining. But they hated their nails or this or that. So it's better to have your instructor that are telling you what you could do different in my opinion, So
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exactly and up. And I mean, I don't know if you do this, so that's good question. But if somebody calls into the school, we book those people first. They have first priority over, Let's say the people's sister that's coming in or and I just tell them girls, I've gotten a call who wants it, you know, and you can tell the girls that are very, very serious. There like I want to do somebody different. I don't want to do with my mom again this week. I want I want that experience and it's so good to see that because then hopefully those clients are coming back and saying, Look, it's in two weeks with the show polished, Awesome job it just use those girls right up. Makes them feel so much more confident in doing a stranger, then just doing straight family members through school and things like that.
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Yeah, and a lot of times our family is still sweet and so nice that they're like,
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Oh, good job skin. Thank you. But I think
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there's value in that because boy is now text man, you've gotta learn how to talk to strangers. If you can't sit down at a table for two hours and sit and talk to somebody and strike up a conversation, it's a
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little bit awkward, right? Chris? You have to happen, are being and it and you have to learn how to talk about personal matters with those clients. And even if you don't agree with that, you just shake your hands head and say Yes, ma'am.
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Yes. Here. Yeah. And you just keep working and Yeah, but you have to learn that. I think it's a people skill you like. You've gotta have people, school skills, and they can be learned. You can learn to be braver, but I think just like doing it over and over again and see a new people coming in. Like I said, not your family. Um, it that teaches you those skills to be able Teoh, talk with people.
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Yes. Like I think, with apprenticing, you can keep more up to date like, Hey, this is what the world is learning right now. This is what the hell tech world learning right now. And so when I committed to becoming this educator at the college, I thought, I need a look around, you know, how are people getting hired? What are people looking for in this kind of being? And like you said, social media and not brought this up to me is this year we're doing something completely different because as I also run us to learn, I don't look at people's portfolios anymore. You can bring in a black binder. It looks beautiful. Thank you so much. But guess what? I've already stopped you on Instagram. I see what you've done. That's what we're offering now in school is your running instagram pages. I'm teaching them pitchers. I'm teaching them technology and usu. Eastern has really jumped into that. We've hired technology teacher like you want to go to a school that is up to date as much as possible and his teachings. It's so great to be like, Yes, you have to warm acrylic for this test. But if you want to go out and on Lee, do you gel? You've got that correct knowledge. If you want to go down the street after you passed your test yesterday and showing your portfolio, you already got 100 pictures on there. Look, I can do it clean polish. I can do an amazing that massage. That's what I want them to see is on that portfolio, which is now Instagram or Facebook. It's there. It's updated every single week, and they have it ready to go
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that is so, so important. I am so glad you guys are doing that, and all schools should be thinking about that because, like you said, that's huge. That is after resume right there is your trucks, media and teaching them. It's like you can throw in a little bit of personal people. Want to see your face We want against their files. Need to be correct. I see so many now text doing this wrong. And that's a whole podcast on social media. Yeah, how their bios air all messed up, and they're not even they're not right. And their faces. We want to see their faces that you want to see a little bit of personal wealth, but teaching them how to keep things professional because that could totally ruin you from getting hired from a job is your social media.
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Yeah, he's perfect to be separate. I just barely deserve I've been in a 12 years. I made a separate account last week and I thought to myself, Why haven't I? And you know why I did is because I'm teaching these girls, you know? Yeah, they wanted these people want to see my cute little baby, but I have 40 baby pictures, and one night I'll picture because that's just what I've been doing. Yeah, and so I'm like, I'm teaching them to keep it separate. But together I'm creating myself a separate now education program paid and they can see that. Hey, she has a family. She's She's a blonde chick from Emery County. But here's Rendell's and this is her snow but business as well.
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It's so perfect. And that's what I tell my girls. Take the before picture of their hands when they sit down. Take that after when they leave. But also take the after when they come back that showed. Look at this. She have all 10 nails on. Look at this mid spring four weeks and she doesn't have any lifting. Like people want to see that when they see that stuff on social media there going to be like, Wow, I want to go to her like, seriously, a gel polish manicure lasted that long or, you know, they're clean work. So I love that. And, um, I don't know how much you guys do. You guys get into now, are very much
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Neller is so big right now. The stamping, the foils, the chrome's and stuff. And I the girls always worry about the now art for part. They're like, I'm not good. I can try, Can't write that. I always tell them. Guess what comes? Your client See that you have the sticking power, the lasting power. Your nails are lasting two weeks in a month. When you say I've got my stamping down, they're going to care way more that their nails have stayed on you. And you can park this That Nell are you Get that Nell are under your belt a little bit later. But you get the staying power in the and the cuticle lions and those smile lines get those and then learn how to write love on the finger Now learned how to drop her. Make tart a perfect start. Learn your stamping procedures, stuff like that that will come and clients will stick with you and they'll let you practice that kind of stuff. If their nails are last in four weeks, don't you think that
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some poor and I think too many people focus on the network? I do get. And yet we're don't have the structure. You don't have the good. Now that stay on, it doesn't matter how good you are, art. You know they are going to come back to you like you said. That can come. You can see all that stuff on YouTube. You can catch up on all that stuff later. You can lots of classes about, but learn the basics. Learn your sanitation. Um, your structure, How do you keep nails on, like, your product? Wrap your e filing like learn that stuff its own foreign and everything else will come Exactly. I tell people all the time cause they're like, Oh, my gosh, you're such an artist. And I might know I'm not really an artist, but it's kind of funny how dots and lines and everything connected together turns into something amazing
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on. It's funny that they're like, Oh, you're artist. You're an artist. No, I can draw on this much of a think Don't give me a piece of paper. I can drive a full scene on a nail. Oh, yeah. I'm not gonna give you a campus picture.
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No, no, that's a lie. Telephone. Like I'm not an artist. I never took any art classes. I don't know how it happens, but connecting different things. It just turns into it. And I tell everybody, and if it doesn't turn into it, just add glitter, and it solves all your
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problems. Asked exactly. Clean it out. It looks perfect. Just
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aglitter. And And you know what? Just say I love it, and your clients are going to say, Oh, I love it too. Don't ever think I hate that. Oh, my gosh, that looks horrible. And then your clients are like, Oh, crap. Yeah, but yeah, you can be out there like I like it too, So I love it. Well, yeah, yeah. I'm so glad you joined me today, and hopefully some people out there, we'll get some good information from this. Especially if you have thought about becoming a nail tech and the different ways to do that. And you concert that for your own state? You know, ours is on Utah topple. There's all kinds of rules on laws on there, and you can search that, Um, but you should be able to find that state by state. What? You what your state requires to become a nail tech. And like I said, hopefully we gave some good information today, But, um and I know I wrote these down, so I will let these because we always forget we get put on the spot like, Well, what are myself for media links? So, um, I hope everybody out there will search Dionne's links and follow her because, as I say, with tribe now, tech way rise when we support each other and help each other. And that's my whole movement behind the tribe. And so here here's for social media leaks on Instagram. You can find her on e d dots. So joe dot by dot de so e g dot s o g e l got b y dot d e and then I Facebook it It's now by D so gel educator. So I hope you guys look her up. Follow her. If you have any questions about anything, you can message her. And I'm sure she is that glad to help you. And, um, anyways, the famous thing I like to say at the end of all my podcasts and all my online lives and everything up is tribe up and slay your date. So thank you again for joining me today and can't wake you for having me. Thanks, Dion. Hi, everyone. CEO
you're listening to the tribe Nail Tuck podcast where nail techs find inspiration and motivation to take their career to
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the next level. We welcome you here now Tribe up and Slayer Day Here is your host Becky Bunel. Hi, everybody. Welcome to today's episode of Tribe Deltek Podcast. I'm so happy and excited that you're here today. Today's episode is sponsored by So Jonelle and I have my guest today as Deanne Damrell on Welcome Dion. Hello? No. Are you
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we're doing? Get over here. How are you doing? Good.
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I'm so glad you agree to be on today. And, um first of all, let's everybody let everybody know who a little bit about you. So if you want to start in, tell us all about Dan.
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Okay, Um I have done else for going on 12 years. I went to Nell School when I was still in high school as the start of my cosmetology program. It was not part of my plan at all, but they gonna see the teachers at Usu Eastern was like no start now start nails. And now it's the biggest part of my life. I am the social educator for carbon counting and surroundings. I've been doing that now since 2016. I love to educate. It was my mingle. Going into cosmetology is becoming educator in the college and as, like, my favorite product to And then I, um, just recently had a brand new baby. So I slow down in the salon quite a bit. I used to work in the salon 60 hours a week, full day. It was my life commitment and baby change that. But she she likes us launch you. So we go there quite a bit. Uh, I've been married for I say 12 years, but it's not been 12 years. I've just lived with my husband for 12 years, and I have now recently become the new main educator at, um us. You Eastern. I work there. Well, I worked there almost every day, but I worked there two nights a week and teach the nail program. It's part of the cosmetology program. So we get some people that just do Nelson. Some people that do the full cosmetology program. That's about it.
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I love it. So me and Ian have a lot in common. Um, I was also an instructor of the College. When it was actually before that one. It was College of Eastern Utah, so we were kind of discussing that a little bit before we I started recording today that we both were able to teach there. So it's awesome. Yes, it's great. I love it. So in today's episode, I wanted to talk a little bit about education. For those of you out there that are listening that maybe dabble in nails, your A D I wire, um, and you thought about going to school. Obviously, every single state is different and requires different hours. And, um, and internationally is way different because they have to certify each module and get certified in that as a nail tech. But here in the States, we typically take the nail education program. Each state is a different set of hours. Then when you complete that, you go take your state board so you usually have a practical end, a condom written exam, and if he successfully Paschal's, then you are issued a license. So today I want to talk about a little bit about educating and the difference between going to a school and apprenticing under some pretty so Dan tell me what? Um, first of all, how many hours for some of the goals to an male school in Utah? They want to become license now. Tech. What's the process for that? How many hours is that? And typically, what does it, um, intel like, What's their curriculum kind of day in, Day out? And how does that look for you as an instructor? What? What do you do day in and day out?
spk_0: 4:05
So I'm with us. You Eastern. It's a university, but we have the tech program as well, and the good thing about that is starting this year. At some point, if it's a check program, their tuition is going going to be cut in half. So it's gonna like in our area. That's really nice, because we have a ton of tech programs, mechanics, aviation, things like that. So when you're you don't have to pay full tuition anymore. If you're going to tech program, so on, you have to pay your tuition and then we offer you a kit and you pay for your kids. Then you're going to start school. We run a night program at our school. It's a 300. Our class. It's over 16 weeks now we have started. We're pretty fast paced. At first, you you learn your basics manicures, pedicure ing. Then we go into a little bit more extensive spot work. There we do hot oils, we dio para fins. We do spot pedicures. We teach them different kinds of procedure so they can offer what they want. They can upgrade how they want, and we teach them upgrades and stuff like that and how you need a pamper your clients and and do what your clients would like. And then it goes into where wraps on state boards anymore. We dabble. I showed him how to do rap stuff like that, just so they're kind of knowledgeable on all the things. Then you have dips, you have gel, polish is, and then you get into your enhancements and we do acrylics, peak and whites. We learned three different acrylics. They have to have odorless on their state board. So we do the odorless first, of course. And we focus on that quite a bit because our main focus in school, of course, is that State board examination, right? That's what we're required to help them passes that state board examination. So But we want to offer them extras to, of course, because if you go and get educated, especially in a school setting, there's not a lot of personalization to it. You have to pass the state board. That's our main main focus. So we go in, we learned tip lens, we learn the sculpted Nell and, um, we learn that red polish and make it perfect and stuff like that. And then we work into different kinds of acrylics In our school. We go into absolute in CND just so they know the consistencies and the dry times air so different Macon They could bring something in, and we can show him whatever they want. They say, Hey, this is popular right now on on social media. I would love for them to just bring it in so we can show them like this is proper way. This is proper technique. So now, with gel being such a big being now is we really want to focus on over half of our 16 weeks we have started doing Joe. So you know, we might start with Parley Joe just so they can have their consistency and then then we're so Jill school. So we go right into so gel, and that's what I would want to teach them. I want them to be perfect at. I want them to be certified when they leave, and I want them to be able to offer their clients the best of their abilities from school. Not, oh, she's new. Let's wait a few years or something like that. I want them to be the best that they can be as soon as they leave that school right. And so, with services in the school setting is, they have to do so many of each service. And so they have their little time. She and stuff like that. They do so many of each service, and that's made me so they can perfect it in practice, stay in school. It's not necessarily like a state requirement to do so many services in school, but we have a large amount of services do in our school so they can be perfect at what they were going to do today. Our is we have a theory or an hour and 1/2 4 days a week and have lab next four hours, and they do have a small right there with that lab being four hours long. Now it really lets us Stammel. We call him in demo in two days. So we demo. When you do, we partner up and we do it. And then the next one time that week is a client date, and then they do what they have learned that week. Once we get to the point where they're doing multiple services, they have to teach. They have to treat that demo day like a client day. I want them to run it just like a salon ship. They tell me how long they want their clients schedule. They tell me that it takes 1/2 hour or an hour. I want them to learn how to schedule and do it in that time frame.
spk_1: 8:25
Awesome. Yes, I think that's really important. So that sounds pretty similar to some kind of how it was run when I was there. Remember doing that in the services of working on each other and it was still a night shift. Um, and so pretty much. How are how do you guys work? Tardis absences like they have it. Sounds like you've got the 16 weeks you said. And are they pretty much like they need to be there every day? Like what if they miss a day or have any multiples hours like, how does that work as being in a school?
spk_0: 8:58
So with that is, I tell them that this is their They need to be committed to these hours that we cut it pretty close. You know, I I do have outside assignments. I do have things like that. That's it teaches them things mainly in the theory. Um, with outside lab. It's kind of hard just because we have to take pictures and they can't really examine how their work is, and it's usually on a plastic finger. And so it's such like influenza season. Let's say right now I had a girl that can't come to school, so I've just been working with her, making sure her homework has turned in and trying to go over it the best I can with her. But I'm gonna have to catch up next week, and that takes away from other students time. So with the absences and stuff, if you have five absences, it will lower your grade one grade level and you have to graduate as 75%. So a C plus or you have to come back. And with the theory end of that, that's very important. They'll usually drop that very great a lot quicker than that lab grade on. They can catch up lab because when we're in this industry, I feel like our brains work that way. We can. We can do that a lot easier than learn it without being taught it. So they just have to be really, really committed to that school schedule and they have been. And this I try to give them leniency, and we do have We do a lot of community events that helps us with that leniency in those hours and stuff like that and in the community events. It's not like they're just going out and doing some around and think it's managers of pedicures. It's helping else thoroughly with their now care stuff like that. That's very important so they can earn things like that. If they happen to schedule vacation or a wedding or something, that's just has to happen, and then we do Saturdays that is, full client days And so they learn how to run a full eight. Our client today and also I also try toe run the schedule. Like, right now, our schedule says 328 hours. So a snow day happens or something in the school is leaking. It gives us a little bit of there that we can do that, too. So that's 28 hours extra. But, you know, we just do that. We'd rather be there 20 day hours extra, and we'll tell them, Hey, we've hit 300 hours But how would you guys feel about coming next week? And let's just practice what you want to be practicing and especially if they've all licensed already and they're ready. What do you want to be offering in the salon? What do you want to learn? And perfect? Even more so. So that's where those 20 outwards extra is. I'd rather give those girls 20 hours extra and let them I know that they're leaving the school at a comfortable place to be in the salon,
spk_1: 11:41
right? I think that's the biggest thing is like, um, I totally agree with you when you said our job as instructors to get people licensed its to passel state boards, its first informal such just the way it is. And I don't know how many times I hear over and over again from different nail techs that have recently graduated or whatever. And they're like, I feel like I didn't learn anything in school. I feel like all I did was learn how to pass a state worth, and I confirmed that with them on my get. That's our job is to get you to pass the state boards. As sad as that is, you know, sometimes I feel like our program could be a lot more hours in Utah. You know, maybe that'll change. There are some states that are like 100 hours 650 you know, and we have the 3/5 of 300 or the 3 75 your benefits. So it's It's a little time because I tell everybody it's what you've learned after school. It really makes you that now. Thank you, our I say that over and over and over again. Your education doesn't stop when you're done with school. It's just beginning.
spk_0: 12:40
Yet I always pushed continued education. It doesn't matter if I teach you all the so gel in the whole world. I would hope you would go out and continue your education on that. Or if you love Sandy or if you're not comfortable with your electric file, I want you to go get certified in those things. I want you to get every bit of information from different people, teach different ways. We'll learn what they have.
spk_1: 13:01
Yes, and I also say like I'm I'm dedicated to so gel like that's the hard jail that I use on every single client. I don't very on my my product, but I've been to a light elegance class. Um, I'm thinking of taking a young males class, and for me, it's not because I probably won't use that psychotic. I don't know, maybe I will, but it's because you can learn something from every company and 26 liters. I'm still learning. You never stop learning. I tell people all the time. Once you stopped learning and think that you know it all, then you should be done because you're you're gonna get lost, you're gonna get a lot of the industry. You've got to constantly be learning. And like I said, if I can go to a class and weren't learn one new thing from them, it was worth it to invest in myself into invest in my career. So I definitely agree with that. I I'll talk a little bit about apprenticeships, though. Currently I have two students, and so I'm offering apprenticeship that my new salon and education center, which is pretty exciting. So how it works in Utah is it's 375 required hours and pretty much the same thing. Like I get all the manuals, Um, they have to have 37.5 hours of the reading and setting before they could start. So I have them do that. I think the difference a lot of difference between that and the school is I don't stand up in front of a classroom and say, Okay, today we're on Chapter one, and this is what we're discussing, and I don't go through it up on the white board and and pretty much their books. Is there still steady on their own at home? And that's their responsibility. I give them the workshop at work book. I give them the testing book, and so that study in, you know, is kind of on their own that they have to study that book. Um, they come in day one. Also, we we did manicures and pedicures or one day and then I turned around and I said, OK, chance on let's have you do it on each other This and that. So kind of the same concept I would I break it into the little classes I demo the you know, the odorless a chronic I demo, the hard gel, the gel polish manicures, all those things And then they see what I do. They can pull shares up and they watch me work my eight hours of the day, day in, day out How I actually have gone Do that with every single client. How every book, how I take phone calls, how I reschedule and just kind of like the troubleshooting. The know this person has a pocket lifted like it's like, Hey, girls, this is a pocket lift. This is what it looks like. This is what you need to do to fix it. You know, this person shipped off half of their Now we can either clip it off and start over or we can, you know, cut it back and rebuild it out. So they get the day in day out of watching me of what I dio as a nail tech and Ben. There are their responsibility to bring in models into bringing science. And then they doing there, and then I'm there watching them. When they're done with the client, they bring it over to me and they show me what they've done. I critique them. I tell them what they could do, different what they need to do better. And so they learn all that. They learn how to do the towel, they learn. Like I said, just, um, all those different things. I I encourage them to build up their social media platforms and to start advertising and posting their work, taking a before and after picture because now we know today's day and age. That's as much how we get our clients a social media. It's a huge. So I tried to encourage them how to do those different things, but they learned the sanitation. They watch they you know, just all of that. So it's a little different. They're just two different ways in Utah of how Teoh to get your license in to get your hours. So 375 hours for the apprenticeship and same thing when they're done, we, um, help them figure out OK, how we packed the kid and what supplies we need to take to take to our state boards. There's practice tests they can do online to get ready for their theory test. And, um, every day I'm signing off on hours, probably just like you do in school science off that they've been there in the different services and the fake oddity clients. And then we prepare them and get them ready. And hopefully they going past their state boards and get their licenses. So two different ways in Utah. No every state. Um, I don't think every is every state allows a pernicious either. I'm not 100% sure, but it's usually more hours to do an apprenticeship, so they are kind of different. But they are a lot of light, also, what I feel like if people are pretty good with their studying skills than the apprenticeship. Um, I guess I guess there's difference is my girls are They're not on a really set schedule. I typically work three days a week, and so they do want to be there those three days a week. Obviously, they can't get practical hours. If I'm not here or you're not there, they have to be in with an instructor. Um, but, um, if they wake up in, their kid has the flu. It's just like, Hey, I can't come in today and it's like, Okay, so I feel like or sometimes moms, um, the apprenticeship. If you could make it work. I feel like it's kind of a little bit more flexible because it's not the absence is the grade all that stuff? It can work around your schedule a little bit easier ears, Um, but also, I'm honest with my girls. It's like I don't want you to take six months because I can't take another Chronis until you're done. So I tried to tell them about this pain. You probably need to be done within 3 to 4 months. Get your stuff on. Don't Don't just drag your feet, get and be serious about it, be their daily and, um, get your stuff done. And same thing. I just feel like the more hands on. They do, the more models they bring in, more clients they bring in while they're in schooling. Then we have the chance to be able to emit critique that work so that they're more confident when they do leave. And I'm sure you encourage that to like. A lot of people are little really nervous about bringing people and what it's like. It's to your value to bring people. And because you want to be critique, do you want us? Just They hate that stupid little different because you really don't want the plan calling you back and complaining. But they hated their nails or this or that. So it's better to have your instructor that are telling you what you could do different in my opinion, So
spk_0: 19:45
exactly and up. And I mean, I don't know if you do this, so that's good question. But if somebody calls into the school, we book those people first. They have first priority over, Let's say the people's sister that's coming in or and I just tell them girls, I've gotten a call who wants it, you know, and you can tell the girls that are very, very serious. There like I want to do somebody different. I don't want to do with my mom again this week. I want I want that experience and it's so good to see that because then hopefully those clients are coming back and saying, Look, it's in two weeks with the show polished, Awesome job it just use those girls right up. Makes them feel so much more confident in doing a stranger, then just doing straight family members through school and things like that.
spk_1: 20:29
Yeah, and a lot of times our family is still sweet and so nice that they're like,
spk_0: 20:33
Oh, good job skin. Thank you. But I think
spk_1: 20:38
there's value in that because boy is now text man, you've gotta learn how to talk to strangers. If you can't sit down at a table for two hours and sit and talk to somebody and strike up a conversation, it's a
spk_0: 20:50
little bit awkward, right? Chris? You have to happen, are being and it and you have to learn how to talk about personal matters with those clients. And even if you don't agree with that, you just shake your hands head and say Yes, ma'am.
spk_1: 21:03
Yes. Here. Yeah. And you just keep working and Yeah, but you have to learn that. I think it's a people skill you like. You've gotta have people, school skills, and they can be learned. You can learn to be braver, but I think just like doing it over and over again and see a new people coming in. Like I said, not your family. Um, it that teaches you those skills to be able Teoh, talk with people.
spk_0: 21:26
Yes. Like I think, with apprenticing, you can keep more up to date like, Hey, this is what the world is learning right now. This is what the hell tech world learning right now. And so when I committed to becoming this educator at the college, I thought, I need a look around, you know, how are people getting hired? What are people looking for in this kind of being? And like you said, social media and not brought this up to me is this year we're doing something completely different because as I also run us to learn, I don't look at people's portfolios anymore. You can bring in a black binder. It looks beautiful. Thank you so much. But guess what? I've already stopped you on Instagram. I see what you've done. That's what we're offering now in school is your running instagram pages. I'm teaching them pitchers. I'm teaching them technology and usu. Eastern has really jumped into that. We've hired technology teacher like you want to go to a school that is up to date as much as possible and his teachings. It's so great to be like, Yes, you have to warm acrylic for this test. But if you want to go out and on Lee, do you gel? You've got that correct knowledge. If you want to go down the street after you passed your test yesterday and showing your portfolio, you already got 100 pictures on there. Look, I can do it clean polish. I can do an amazing that massage. That's what I want them to see is on that portfolio, which is now Instagram or Facebook. It's there. It's updated every single week, and they have it ready to go
spk_1: 22:54
that is so, so important. I am so glad you guys are doing that, and all schools should be thinking about that because, like you said, that's huge. That is after resume right there is your trucks, media and teaching them. It's like you can throw in a little bit of personal people. Want to see your face We want against their files. Need to be correct. I see so many now text doing this wrong. And that's a whole podcast on social media. Yeah, how their bios air all messed up, and they're not even they're not right. And their faces. We want to see their faces that you want to see a little bit of personal wealth, but teaching them how to keep things professional because that could totally ruin you from getting hired from a job is your social media.
spk_0: 23:34
Yeah, he's perfect to be separate. I just barely deserve I've been in a 12 years. I made a separate account last week and I thought to myself, Why haven't I? And you know why I did is because I'm teaching these girls, you know? Yeah, they wanted these people want to see my cute little baby, but I have 40 baby pictures, and one night I'll picture because that's just what I've been doing. Yeah, and so I'm like, I'm teaching them to keep it separate. But together I'm creating myself a separate now education program paid and they can see that. Hey, she has a family. She's She's a blonde chick from Emery County. But here's Rendell's and this is her snow but business as well.
spk_1: 24:16
It's so perfect. And that's what I tell my girls. Take the before picture of their hands when they sit down. Take that after when they leave. But also take the after when they come back that showed. Look at this. She have all 10 nails on. Look at this mid spring four weeks and she doesn't have any lifting. Like people want to see that when they see that stuff on social media there going to be like, Wow, I want to go to her like, seriously, a gel polish manicure lasted that long or, you know, they're clean work. So I love that. And, um, I don't know how much you guys do. You guys get into now, are very much
spk_0: 24:50
Neller is so big right now. The stamping, the foils, the chrome's and stuff. And I the girls always worry about the now art for part. They're like, I'm not good. I can try, Can't write that. I always tell them. Guess what comes? Your client See that you have the sticking power, the lasting power. Your nails are lasting two weeks in a month. When you say I've got my stamping down, they're going to care way more that their nails have stayed on you. And you can park this That Nell are you Get that Nell are under your belt a little bit later. But you get the staying power in the and the cuticle lions and those smile lines get those and then learn how to write love on the finger Now learned how to drop her. Make tart a perfect start. Learn your stamping procedures, stuff like that that will come and clients will stick with you and they'll let you practice that kind of stuff. If their nails are last in four weeks, don't you think that
spk_1: 25:40
some poor and I think too many people focus on the network? I do get. And yet we're don't have the structure. You don't have the good. Now that stay on, it doesn't matter how good you are, art. You know they are going to come back to you like you said. That can come. You can see all that stuff on YouTube. You can catch up on all that stuff later. You can lots of classes about, but learn the basics. Learn your sanitation. Um, your structure, How do you keep nails on, like, your product? Wrap your e filing like learn that stuff its own foreign and everything else will come Exactly. I tell people all the time cause they're like, Oh, my gosh, you're such an artist. And I might know I'm not really an artist, but it's kind of funny how dots and lines and everything connected together turns into something amazing
spk_0: 26:30
on. It's funny that they're like, Oh, you're artist. You're an artist. No, I can draw on this much of a think Don't give me a piece of paper. I can drive a full scene on a nail. Oh, yeah. I'm not gonna give you a campus picture.
spk_1: 26:44
No, no, that's a lie. Telephone. Like I'm not an artist. I never took any art classes. I don't know how it happens, but connecting different things. It just turns into it. And I tell everybody, and if it doesn't turn into it, just add glitter, and it solves all your
spk_0: 26:56
problems. Asked exactly. Clean it out. It looks perfect. Just
spk_1: 27:00
aglitter. And And you know what? Just say I love it, and your clients are going to say, Oh, I love it too. Don't ever think I hate that. Oh, my gosh, that looks horrible. And then your clients are like, Oh, crap. Yeah, but yeah, you can be out there like I like it too, So I love it. Well, yeah, yeah. I'm so glad you joined me today, and hopefully some people out there, we'll get some good information from this. Especially if you have thought about becoming a nail tech and the different ways to do that. And you concert that for your own state? You know, ours is on Utah topple. There's all kinds of rules on laws on there, and you can search that, Um, but you should be able to find that state by state. What? You what your state requires to become a nail tech. And like I said, hopefully we gave some good information today, But, um and I know I wrote these down, so I will let these because we always forget we get put on the spot like, Well, what are myself for media links? So, um, I hope everybody out there will search Dionne's links and follow her because, as I say, with tribe now, tech way rise when we support each other and help each other. And that's my whole movement behind the tribe. And so here here's for social media leaks on Instagram. You can find her on e d dots. So joe dot by dot de so e g dot s o g e l got b y dot d e and then I Facebook it It's now by D so gel educator. So I hope you guys look her up. Follow her. If you have any questions about anything, you can message her. And I'm sure she is that glad to help you. And, um, anyways, the famous thing I like to say at the end of all my podcasts and all my online lives and everything up is tribe up and slay your date. So thank you again for joining me today and can't wake you for having me. Thanks, Dion. Hi, everyone. CEO
