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In this educative episode of TMA's Practice Well Podcast, Cara Benson and Alexis Harvey from TMA's Physician Payment Resource Center look into the strategies essential for optimizing practice revenue in 2025. Discover actionable insights on implementing regular staff training, staying updated with the latest billing codes and policies, and effectively managing claim denials.
The discussion provides essential resources and best practices for enhancing the financial health of your practice, emphasizing the importance of physician involvement in billing operations. With a focus on improved communication with patients and utilizing technology, this episode equips medical professionals with the knowledge to navigate the ever-evolving healthcare landscape efficiently.
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Hi, I'm Cara Benson. I'm the director of TMA's Physician Payment Resource Center.
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I've been with TMA for over 12 years, and I've been in the medical field for over 20.
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In 2023, I assisted physicians in recovering over $3.8 million,
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and I'm excited to see what 2025s bring.
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Today, I have with me Alexis. Hi, I'm Alexis Harvey.
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I work with Clara and Mary and TMA's Physician Payment Resource Center.
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I'm a certified professional coder, and even though I'm fairly new to TMA,
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I'm excited to bring fresh eyes to help physicians with their billing and coding problems.
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Thank you, Alexis. So we want to help physicians and their staff with preparing
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for the 2025 year and whatever billing challenges and new coding and billing
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requirements come into play.
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First, let's start with the strategies. How can a practice optimize the reimbursement in 2025?
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I think that practices should implement policies and processes for regular training
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and education for staff.
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This could be used with conducting regular in-house audits and using the audits
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for questions and open discussions for staff to go over any problem areas or
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trends or recurring issues along with the resolutions for some of these major issues that they find.
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They can use key performance indicators to run reports to kind of see where
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the overall, I guess you could say,
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health of the practice is at and just kind of getting into a routine of reviewing
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and analyzing these reports, again, to help identify problem areas.
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They can use this information to set realistic goals or benchmarks that I think
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would help maximize their reimbursement rates and revenue.
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Now, you mentioned training and education for staff, which we all know is highly important.
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Where can physicians and their staff obtain information going into 2025?
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As we know that insurance is ever-changing, and we also have the Medicare fee
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schedule that just came out.
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So where else can they go to obtain information?
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I think some of the major websites that they would be able to use would be,
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you know, the AMA's website,
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CMS websites, and just kind of following up and monitoring the specific carrier
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website for any updates and policy changes.
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Of course, if you're a member, TMA is also a really good resource to reach out
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to and just making sure that you're constantly monitoring and checking and then
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educating on any updates for policies, codes.
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Guidelines, compliance, just to make sure that everyone is up to date and will
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help prevent any issues with claims denials and reimbursement. All right, good.
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Now, you mentioned claim denials.
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So going into coding and billing rules,
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as practices look at their accounts receivable and start working the 2024 denials
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more, what are the common errors that they're going to see?
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And how can they be avoided? Some of the major issues with claims denials will
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still kind of be the same that we've been struggling with,
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you know, whether it is a claim denial for documentation errors or,
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you know, using the wrong codes, unbundling or upcoding or downcoding.
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You know, these are the same issues that have been around. And I think just
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making sure that you're checking for the updates on these changes to reflect,
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you know, accurately the 2025 guidelines.
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What about modifier usage? Modifier usage is also a big one.
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And I think that it's one of those things that is just very easy and basic to
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use, but it's just either forgotten or it's used incorrectly.
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And, you know, whether it is doing, you know, the left and right modifier and
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making sure that it matches the specific diagnosis code when the laterality
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is important for the diagnosis code.
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So, you know, that's a very, very common error that I think,
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you know, just paying more attention to can help prevent some of the denials.
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So, Alexis, are there any Texas-specific considerations that physicians and
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their staff should be aware of?
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Some of the major ones that we've noticed would be the impacts from the Medicare
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physician fee schedule and just that it's introducing some new changes.
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For example, the removal of code G0511 for chronic care management.
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And the rule indicates that they will no longer be able to use this code for
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chronic care management and will have to bill their care using the same code
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from the traditional ambulatory codes.
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And this will affect reimbursements and just will lead to a substantial drop
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in reimbursement rates.
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Another one would be the coordination of care services. I think that this is
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definitely going to be a big one because more practices are starting to ask
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and inquire about using these services because they haven't been using them.
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And so an example would be one of the rules would be the addition of a few codes.
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And it's just something that I think we'll see issues with because they've never
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billed for it before. So we can kind of expect to see some new issues with the new billing codes.
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Another thing I think would be for the addition advanced primary care management,
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which focuses on preventative care and how it's offered to patients.
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And these would have the impact with, again, chronic care management,
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telehealth services, transitional care management. So I think those are some
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of the basic ones that we'll definitely see.
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Yeah, and as these new codes roll out and physicians and their staff learn how
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to use them, there's a good chance that we will start seeing more denials.
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How can they combat that? What are the best practices for managing and reducing
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claim denials? And how should they appeal?
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What are the best practices for appealing as well? I think that the first thing
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that they could really focus on is being familiar with some of the new physician
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fee schedule changes, along with, let's say,
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the conversion factor and just kind of planning ahead and knowing that they
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might see a decrease in Medicare payments due to the new conversion factor.
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And then kind of just with that in mind, then kind of really dig into more of
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the denials and appeals. Is it something that's new?
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And that's why they're being denied, because they don't know how to use it quite yet.
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But, you know, just making sure that you're constantly monitoring these changes
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and then communicating with your staff and teaching them, you know,
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what these new policies and changes are.
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And I think will definitely help with preventing more claims denials.
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And when they are checking for the client and looking at eligibility and looking
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at benefits, is it better for them to get a verbal reference or is it better
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for them to get that information in writing?
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I think it would always be in writing.
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However, if it is verbal communication, just making sure that you are keeping
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a reference number and having that documentation so that you have that paper trail.
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And whether it is a screenshot or just some sort of documentation that you can
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maybe print out and use, again, to have that paper trail and to make sure that you're covered.
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And that way you're also providing the correct and supported documentation needed.
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Thank you. When they are working on their appeal process, what is the most effective way to do the appeal?
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Do they just need to say, you know, refer to their medical records or is it
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best to include medical records and provide a detailed summary of what the problem is?
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I would definitely recommend not using C medical records.
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You definitely want to make sure that you include specific details and not just
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a generic form that doesn't have the supporting documentation to support your
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reason for why you maybe disagree with the claim denial.
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Looking at cost estimators and knowing where to find them and how they apply
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to each patient health plan regarding what's covered, requirements needed,
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what supporting documentation is needed,
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even just timeframes too of when you need to have these appeals submitted and
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those general guidelines and just following them.
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Okay. And when they are looking at the claim denials and looking at appeals,
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we do tend to see that the claims have been cycled, whereas the appeals are
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not being done in detail.
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It's more that the claims are just being resent.
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Is that really the best practice? Or what are the implications of just cycling
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a claim again without correcting it? Definitely, you can't just cycle the claim.
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You definitely need to make sure that you investigate the reason for the denial.
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Know if it's, you know, whether it's a modifier issue, if it's a diagnosis code,
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if it's just missing patient information or insurance information,
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or even, you know, the provider identification number is maybe typed in correctly.
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Make sure that you have all this documentation that you
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include in the appeal before you
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actually send it you know make sure that you're prepared and having all that
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documentation creating a paper trail making sure that
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you are also keeping track of your investigational resources to support your
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reason and i think that that will definitely help kind of way whether or not
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the claim is going to be denied again and or it will be accepted and then you're
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and then you're done and when they cycle the claims when they,
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instead of filing a corrected claim, do they get charged every time they just submit it?
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Kind of interesting was when looking into some of the reasons for claim denials
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and just understanding the difference between a claim denial and a claim rejection
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and the different steps to handle those.
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If it's a denial, then maybe it's just the correction and you don't actually
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need to submit an appeal.
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But if it's a denial, making sure that you know how to do the denial with,
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you know, the documentation, the, you know, investigate what the reason is for,
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make sure that you have an understanding of the claim code denials.
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Making sure that you have a general understanding of those, I think will really
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help too with preventing claim denials.
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Okay. And on the claim denials, is there a way to determine what's denied,
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what's still outstanding?
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What metrics, I should say, should a practice track to monitor the financial
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health of their billing process?
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I think utilizing those resources available, like the specific carrier insurance websites.
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I know that a lot of them use the availability tool so that they can actually
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go in and see the reasons why claims are denied and the remittance advice on
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how to go about correcting it.
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So Alexis, along the line of seeing denials, what metrics should practices use
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to monitor their financial health of their billing processes?
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One of the most common reports that would be really helpful for practices to
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use would be the aging reports, which coincides with reimbursement and the ability
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to appeal claims in a timely manner.
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The number of days a claim is in accounts receivable reports.
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There is also the first past resolution rate reports, denial rate reports,
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and even something like the bad debt reports are definitely good things to look
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at and keep track of and making sure that you're going over it and going over it with your staff.
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The biggest thing that I would recommend is just making sure that the position
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is involved and stays involved because at the end of the day,
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the physician, they shouldn't remove themselves from the billing part of their practice.
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And I think that it definitely can have some major impacts if physicians do
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remove themselves from the billing part, just because they need to be involved.
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They need to know what's going on. They need to ensure that their staff knows
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what's going on and that they're doing it correctly and following compliance
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rules and regulations. And I think that will definitely help.
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And speaking of keeping physicians involved in the billing operations,
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there are times when their health plan has information behind a provider portal, essentially.
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And one of those things is cost estimators.
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And Alexis mentioned cost estimators a little bit ago.
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And what they are is a way for staff and physicians to pool patient information
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regarding their benefits.
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So you can see what is expected as far as deductible, co-insurance,
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co-pay, what the health plan will pay for in regards to services.
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So it's just another important tool that will help cut down and minimize having
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to deal with denials and the appeal process.
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Are you seeing an increase in use of AI?
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As far as technology, I would say that we really haven't seen a lot of issues
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or it hasn't really been brought up too much regarding AI technology with billing and coding,
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just because there's a lot of mixed views on whether or not I think people think
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that it's useful or if it's not.
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It's just a lot of mixed views right now regarding AI technology for billing
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and coding. One thing to note about AI is even though we are not seeing AI with
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billing and coding right now, we could see an increase in it.
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One thing to keep in mind is if you do choose to use AI for billing and coding,
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you still need to have a human eye on it to make sure that anything that goes
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out is correct. A really good point.
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And I would also recommend that before you send anything out,
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just making sure that you have a trained professional looking over things before
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anything is sent out. Thank you, Alexis.
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And we've spoken a lot about physicians and staff and what their role is,
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but let's transition to the patient because they are just as important in this whole process.
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And so how do we bring in the patient in this?
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Because in 2025, we're going to see higher deductibles, which is going to mean
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more patient responsibility.
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So what is the best practice for physicians and speaking with their patient?
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I think the biggest thing always is going to be just communication and education.
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Making sure that you're communicating with your patients, you know,
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where they can find the documents and available resources, making sure that
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the patient is aware of the payer policies and what's expected of them.
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The shift focusing more on quality over quantity could lead to new or updated
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standards and guidelines for physicians and their practices.
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And, you know, just knowing that by not following these new standards,
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how it's going to impact their cash flow, something like making it easier for
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patients to access online payment options or just accepting more variety of payment options.
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Or does the patient know how to understand and read an explanation of benefits?
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And if they don't, what is the physician doing to teach that patient how to
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read these statements so that in the end it will help with the payments?
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You know, making sure that practices are taking the copayments up front before services are provided.
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This was something I read about, which I thought was kind of funny,
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was how even something as simple as making sure that your front desk staff know
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where the closest ATM is. That way they can, if their office doesn't have an ATM inside.
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It's just another way for the practice to get the patient to pay what's owed
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up front for the services to kind of prevent that extra cost of mailing billing statements.
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I think it's just an easy way to kind of help prevent some of these issues.
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Okay, there are so many ways to combat the challenges for 2025.
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What is the one piece of advice that you would give a medical practice to overcome these challenges?
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I think the biggest thing would just be to remember the basics and remember that help is available.
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TMA members can check the episode
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description for a link and a number to contact us for any help needed.
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Yes. And with Physician Payment Resource Center, we see a multitude of issues.
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And one issue in particular that stands out in my mind, and we haven't covered
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it in this episode, but just to touch on it a little bit is in regards to credentialing.
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While we don't do credentialing in detail, we can help with communication and
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help figure out what it is that is keeping a physician from receiving the payment that is due.
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This one in particular, the claims for processing is out of network and come
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to find out the physician was actually in network.
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And we were able to fill that gap in communication and get everything clarified
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and the health plan paid.
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So it was a huge win and physicians could continue to see the health plan in those patients.
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Alexis, thank you for sharing the tips to overcome billing challenges in 2025.
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And to our listeners, we hope you found this episode beneficial.
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tips. Until next time, stay well.
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