Nerd Sesh - NBA Draft Winners & Losers

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Speaker 1: The volume. No oh my god, how could he do that? By go on, don't watch what Charles Darwin.

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Speaker 2: The nerves is where it's at. Welcome everybody back into Nerd Sessh. As always, I'm Carson for ever. In alongside me is Logan Camden And for those of you who missed it, we were reacting live to the NBA Draft Lottery last night, so we gave our live reactions to all of the first fourteen picks. We are going to recap some of that today, but you can find it much more depth on yesterday's show. What we're gonna mostly focus on today is the rest of the first round, talking about some of the winners and losers, some of our biggest takeaways, how some of those big time contending teams who picked later in the draft fared. And if you guys want to make that you don't miss any of our content, feel free to subscribe to our YouTube channel so you always know what's going on with the Nerds. So Logan, with that being said, let's start in the lottery because that is nevertheless where the biggest names are getting picked. What was your favorite lottery pick yesterday?

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Speaker 1: I think my favorite pick in the lottery was Zach Edy to the Grizzlies. I just think it's a perfect fit in terms of what Memphis needs, Edie's immediate impact on the game and what it's going to mean for their team defense. Like, I think it's just gonna be really hard to score on the Grizzlies in the half court, anything inside, you know, the Twin Towers kind of look at Jared Jackson Junior and Zach Edy is gonna be super intimidating. The other team I want to shout out is one that I've had a little more time to reflect on, and that's the Timberwolves landing Rob Dillingham at eight. The reason I say that is one, I think they got exceptional value for the pick.

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Speaker 3: You know, they gave up two first and seven years.

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Speaker 1: I think that's insane value for a guy like Dillingham, and in a lot of ways, I think he's exactly what Minnesota needs, an infusion of offense off the bench. You look at their starting five Conley, Edwards, McDaniels, cat and go bear right, They're gonna be running back this group likely for the foreseeable future. Minnesota has already got rangy defenders and big guys off the bench in nas Reed, Kyle Anderson, and Nikhil Alexander Walker. Long term, I'm pretty optimistic about Dillingham and this team in this situation. I think he's the most fun player in this class. I think he's super talented, but he's going to a great team. He's going to a good culture and a winning situation where I really think he fits like a glove. Like this team needs half court offense, off the bench, a little bit of scoring punch, and I think these guys can make up for what he maybe lacks defensively. So I think my favorite two lottery picks of the back to back wins at eight and nine, the Grizzlies getting Eadie and the Timberwolves getting Dillingham.

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Speaker 2: Interesting both picks that maybe, just in terms of the raw value in a vacuum, you would have said were reaches. The Dillingham pick has grown on me because I do think it is a super intuitive fit. You just think about how rough the Timberwolves offense was if you didn't have both Conley and and out there. Ideally, if it was just one, then there was just a significant burn on those guys in terms of all creation and decision making and the shot making around them was gonna be questionable, and if you didn't have either of them on the floor, then you were just screwed in terms of offensive skills. So Dillingham definitely does provide a ceiling there that Minnesota needs to unlock somehow long term. Now, I do have concerns beyond the dazzling pull up shooting, the ball handling, the fluidity that he has on the perimeter, about his ability to score and finish around the rim. I have some questions about what his playmaking ceiling is, although I do think he's a good playmaker, but that'll determine sort of to what extent and he can be entrusted with lead offensive responsibilities. And then the biggest thing is just defense. Six one six ' two slight guy. He's always gonna get attacked on that side of the ball. So I have sort of been of the mind that Dillingham is probably gonna end up being just like a really electric sixth man, awesome scorer, not quite complete enough elsewhere in his game, but he does have a pretty rare offensive ceiling in this class. And if anyone should take a flyer on that, it's Minnesota. The pick is a little bit high for me just taking him at number eight, But I'm with you. I don't care so much about those two picks that they traded down the line, and Edie is a fascinating one. I like that pick at number nine as well, even though in a vacuum, again, I probably would have said that's a little bit high for Edie. I just think it's the perfect fit. When it comes down to timeline, You're getting one of the most polished and pro ready dudes, extremely high floor, gonna be absurdly productive in his minutes. He's gonna eat up rebounds, he is going to bully people out of the post, he's gonna finish efficiently out of pick and roll, And specifically, Memphis desperately needed a legitimate five because once Steven Adams got hurt at the end of the twenty twenty three season, they lost so much of what makes them great. This was an elite defensive team, an elite rebounding team. After he got hurt, they dropped to ninth in defensive rating twenty third in rebound rate this past year. With him obviously out for the year dude injury and then traded, they were twelfth in defensive rating, in twenty fifth in rebound rates. So Edie, although he does have some concerns about mobility, guarding in space, and more importantly, maybe specifically in Memphis, just keeping up with the pace that they like to play at because they like to run and this is a lumbering big man. I think that rim protection, that rebounding, that rim finishing makes him a really intuitive fit for twenty twenty five minutes a night. And I'm not maybe the highest on his ceiling because of some of his limitations in terms of defensive versatility, but I am quite high on his floor because of just some of the overwhelming physical traits. I though, have the team that got who would have been Memphis's dream pick as my biggest winner of the lottery. That's Portland Landing Donovan Klingen. It's not necessarily the cleanest in terms of fit. Right now you have DeAndre eight and you have Robert Williams. It's just the best value. This, to me, was a top three guy on the board at the start of the draft, was arguably the guy with the single highest floor. You're getting elite rimp protection, you're getting elite rebounding, You're getting an awesome drop defender again, some questions about him guarding in space, although I think he'll do better there than Edie. And then an overwhelming post finisher when he has the right matchup, an overwhelming finisher around the rim out of pick and roll, and a good passer, a guy who can run some of your offense. And he's just massive. So Portland has had their dynamic fun guard talents. They've added those guys. What they haven't been able to do for the longest time, basically throughout the entire entirety of Damian Lillard's tenure, and it's only gotten worse and worse is defend at even a reasonable level. And Ayton is pretty consistently a poor rimp protector. He certainly was this past season. People shot as well against him at the rim as they would any other average player, which when you're a big is really not a good number. So Klingon is going to change that. I also do like, just in terms of fit and floor Devin Carter at thirteen to the Kings. I think that that is a really good spot for him. A team that is trying to win. Now you get a super pro ready guy. Very much a complimentary guard, defend screen, knockdown jumpers off the catch, connective playmaking, rebound really well for your position. That's the sort of guy who I think that they need alongside a Dear and Fox and just to make them a better rebounding team overall, a better defending team overall. And then in terms of sheer value, I really like Cody Williams at ten to the Jazz and I really like Bouzellis at eleven to the Bulls. I thought those were two really promising jack of all trades wings, very very toolsy. You have little questions about both of them, the shot consistency. With Cody Williams, his slightness, maybe the polish of his handle in touch, but you just love the length of most of what you see from him as a ball handler, his ability to attack close outs, his ability to defend. I'm confident in him growing into his frame athletically because of his brother in some part. And then Bouzellis, again you have some questions about the shot, you have some questions about the self created offense, but secondary rimp protection, rebounding, connect to playmaking, transition offense, all those things he's going to be really good at. So those are two guys who, if they are consistent with the shot, just awesome players. I thought they were top seven prospects. They go ten and eleven to teams that kind of have blank slates. But if they are going to go anywhere, especially for Chicago, the front court makes sense because you already have Kobe and Ioh in the back court. I thought those were a couple of really good picks as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I like those wing picks in just terms of value.

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Speaker 1: I mean, those are two top five guys that I think slip to the end of the lottery. And I also do like Devin Carter, there weren't a lot of losers in the lottery.

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Speaker 3: If I had to pick one.

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Speaker 1: I think it's interrelated with one of the selections that you made, and that was the Blazers getting Donovan Klingon.

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Speaker 3: That's a winner.

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Speaker 1: The loser is because the Charlotte Hornets ended up passing on Donovan Klingen. I just think that fit made a little.

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Speaker 3: Bit too much sense.

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Speaker 1: If you were listening to our live stream or joined us at all, or listened to it in post we mentioned it on the broadcast, I just think it made so much sense. Like the Hornets haven't played winning legitimate basketball in years, and haven't more specifically, haven't played defense in years. Brandon Miller, the clip that I mentioned on the on the Live that stuck out to me was him yelling and his teammates get back, you know, like let's let's play ball. Like there's just a there's a stink in the culture in Charlotte, and I really thought Klingon was gonna help one talent wise, just bring this defense up another notch with what he brings immediately defensively, but could potentially help change the culture. It's not that I hate Salon as a prospect. I I quite like him. I just think that Klingon's an immediate winner and it just made a lot of sense to go and get a guy that compliments Brandon Miller and LaMelo Ball and can make up for some of LaMelo's shortcomings.

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Speaker 3: Again, not that Salon doesn't fit.

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Speaker 1: I just think Klingon is so ready to win games now and helped win in a meaningful way and in a lot of ways. I think Salon's a bit of a project and as the years, it's probably years away from being you know what he's going to be.

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Speaker 3: I like his motor.

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Speaker 1: I love his defensive intensity, I love his engagement, how he crashes the glass. He does a lot of connective things well, but his offensive game.

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Speaker 3: Is really, really, really raw.

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Speaker 1: There's just a lot more polish and confidence in Klingon's floor than I get with Salon.

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Speaker 2: Agreed, I just think that Klingon is a better prospect by a good bit. My confidence in his floor is immense, Like I know that he's going to be a good starter, sala there is such a wide range of outcomes, and whatever advantage he might have in ceiling does not to me offset that massive gap in floor. It's not to saying that I don't like so long. He's an awesome athlete. I love his motor, as you mentioned, defensive versatility cutting, but like that shot is a big question. Everything in terms of his offensive polish is a big question. And if you could have had your star guard, your star wing and your really really quality two way defensive big that would have been a really nice foundation, and I would have drafted to replace Mark Williams. I just think Klingon is clearly a level above him as a prospect. So I definitely thought that that was a miss for Charlotte on multiple fronts. I thought it was a reach for Salon and they passed on a top three prospect who they could have had at six. Who makes sense in terms of fit. I'm gonna go with the Detroit Pistons as my loser of the lottery logan back to back picks that were pretty controversial and had some things in common, just in terms of banking on athleticism, banking on dudes who have these sort of potentially really versatile two way skill sets. But the offensive skill and particularly the shot is a big question. Holland I would say has more concrete strength in his game right now then so long. But the biggest weakness that he has is his jump shooting, and that's where Detroit is just the one spot you don't want a guy like that to go. I have grown increasingly concerned the more I've thought about it, and I was already concerned on the broadcast last night just about that fit. This is a team that was twenty ninth and threes made twenty six to three point percentage last year, and you already have your non shooting, freak athlete, do everything guy on the wings. That's a sar Thompson, you want to add another guy like that into the mix, It's just very concerning to me. Teams are already able to load up on k they are already able to play those gaps so aggressively to pack paints. You need somebody who can hold defenses accountable with their pure spot up shooting, with their consistent creation alongside kid. You just need more offensive skill above anything else. Athleticism in the front court is great, it cannot come at the expense of being able to knock down open shots to keep defenses honest, to being able to take some work off the plate of Cad Cunningham. And I'm just concerned that from that perspective, Holland is not the guy and things with him in a SAR could get clunky. And even best case scenario, it's not like both those guys are going to figure out the shot. I don't think a SAR is ever going to figure out the shot. I'd be surprised if he did so. That to me is just a counterintuitive fit. There wasn't some super high floor, polished offensive player who you could have taken in this range. If it wasn't going to be connect who ends up falling all the way to seventeen, and I do think that would have been a little high for him, But I think I would have been more confident in Cody Williams in the situation. Bouzellis like, those are shots who I would say I'm more confident in than Ron Holland. It's a specifically clunky pick and probably a little bit of a reach and a vacuum in my opinion as well. All right, let's go outside the lottery logan to the picks that we haven't reacted to on the show yet. Who was your biggest winner? Who picked after we went off the air last night?

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Speaker 1: There were a lot of good picks outside of the lottery. I think my favorite was the Utah Jazz. I think the Jazz got the best point guard in the draft at twenty nine and Isaiah Collier, Like I I love this kid's game man, the general feeling pace that I get with him is my lead point guard. I love his feel out of the pick and roll, his strength, his ability to play play physically to finish through contact, his creative at rim finishing.

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Speaker 3: I think Collier can finish with both hands.

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Speaker 1: I think he's got good touch, like that's my favorite aspect of Collier's game. I love how we can play physically, but how we can also play with finesse. I think he's good exploding off the dribble. He's got solid speed and acceleration and change and pace. I think he's a good shooter. Do you see the flashes of the off the dribble shooting some from super deep. He's a beast in transition. He's a good passer and decision maker. Like the one knock I think that you can have on Callier is the fact that he is an undersized guard. Obviously, bigger offensive players are going to be able to attack him if they involve him in switches. But I really think he makes up for it with effort and engagement. But I really think Callier could be one of the best guards in the league one day, man. I really believe that. I think he is a true hidden gem. In this draft, Collier was the player with the biggest discrepancy between where I had him on my big board and where he got drafted.

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Speaker 3: I think this is the second year.

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Speaker 1: In a row that the Utah Jazz have gotten a stud guard late in the draft. Last year they got one of my favorite guards in Keyante George. In this year they get my favorite point guard in the class and Isaiah Callier. I mean this was an absolute, absolute steal to me.

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Speaker 2: I do like the Callier pick at twenty nine. I'm not as high on him as you are, I think because some of the things that you're praising haven't been the most consistent. The jump shot has not been super consistent. The playmaking is good. He can also get careless with the basketball. But I do think he does a lot of things pretty well. I think he's a pretty good athlete. He's certainly strong, as you mentioned. I do think that he's gonna compete defensively at the very least. It's not like he's super undersized. He just doesn't have great size necessarily at the position. Twenty nine is really good value for him, and I'll be interested to see what that fit looks like with him and Keyante George because Keyante is a pretty versatile guy. He's got the playmaking chops, he is a pretty skilled shot creator for himself from beyond the arc. I think he can also play off ball some and knock down some shots off the catch. I think Utah probably should move Sexton pretty soon, just because he played so well this past year. I think that he probably has more value elsewhere than in Utah. But overall, I like this draft for the Jazz. Aren't too focused about the positions of need necessarily, although I think that worked out pretty nicely. But mostly you just got the best players on the board and now you have a collection of young guys with keyance with Walker Kessler. We'll see what happens with Taylor Hendricks as he plays more, but I did like him as a prospect. Call you and Cody Williams like, there's a nice balance on your roster there. You have some quality wings, you have some quality ball handling, and you have your legit rim protecting big. I definitely thought that was a good pick as well. I didn't expect call youer to stay on the board for that long. My favorite pick outside of the lottery, though, is probably Dalton Connect to the Lakers at number seventeen, just in terms of pure value. Really surprising to me that he stayed on the board for so long. As we've said several times, a lot of this draft is about banking on the dudes to your confident are gonna be good, not gambling on the dudes who maybe potentially but most likely will not be great. And Connect is a guy who I'm quite confident in being good. He is at this point the most polished scorer in the class. And specifically, this fit with the Lakers is so intuitive. He's twenty three years old. This is a team that has no interest in developing unproven guys. Saw how it went with Jalen hood Chafino this past year. He wasn't able to get on the floor. Connect is immediately gonna be so much more ready to contribute, and he's going to do it in a way that is kind of unique to this Lakers offense because they've leaned so much into okay, we're taking some ball handling responsibilities off of Lebron's hands that their second and third best offensive players like are really good catching shooters in Austin Reeves and Di Lo, but they're sort of primarily let me operate with the ball in my hands, let me run, pick and roll, dumb. Connect is just like a seamless off ball fit.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: He is gonna constantly be moving. He is going to cut, He's gonna curl around screens. He's gonna be a knockdown shooter in those spots. He can attack closeouts, he can drive in those situations, but so much of it will come within the flow. That's part of what I loved about him as a prospect. It's he can be a lead guy in a college situation like a Tennessee, but he's gonna fit anywhere at the next level, and specifically on a team that does already have multiple ball handlers. I think injecting that sort of offense from a guy who can do so damage away from the ball is really really gonna be a positive for them, and it gives you sort of a balanced look where now it's like, Okay, if we want too offensive guards on the floor, doesn't necessarily have to be Dlo in Austin Reeves, especially if Adlo is struggling, as we've seen in the playoffs. It can be Austin Reeves and Dalton connects the Honkey backcourt. But then you do have a bit more of a balance in terms of skill set, and I think he's just gonna fit really well with Lebron too. Lebron prectures of the rim. You got another great shooter to kick out too, just like Austin Reeves has those ghost screens that he sets for Lebron that are so effective. I think Dalton Connect can do the same. It's a real, really good pick for LA.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I really think it's an intuitive fit here in LA. The Lakers are twenty six and three pointers attempted last season, twenty fifth and three point percentage. It fits a really really clear need for LA, And I agree with a lot of what you said, man, like he's gonna do all the off ball stuff.

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Speaker 3: You don't need another ball handler.

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Speaker 1: And also I'm so glad that the Lakers went ahead and picked a guy who is ready. Last year, going with guys like Kod Chafino and Maxwell Lewis, who you know are years away didn't even crack.

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Speaker 3: The rotation last season.

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Speaker 1: You need immediate impact guys, and Dalton Connect following to them is like a match made in heaven too, especially with the fact that if D'Angelo Russell's shot is not hitting, you just say, hey, man, you can go have a seat.

00:20:40
Speaker 3: Over here and go sit in your corner.

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Speaker 1: We'll get some shooters out here who can actually knock down shots. He's an immediate winner, and he is just such a complimentary piece too. What la is gonna want to do man. I think it is one of the biggest deals in the draft, probably second next to.

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Speaker 3: Call You're going to the Jazz For me.

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Speaker 1: Another big winner to meet Carson was another one of my favorite prospects going to the Miami Heat, and that's khalel Ware one.

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Speaker 3: I think it addresses a very, very.

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Speaker 1: Big need that Miami has a real bench five that can bolster a defense. Seven foot two, seven foot ward wingspan, Like, this guy is rangy, he is long, he is tall. I think he's got a really high defensive ceiling. But I think he's also immediately disruptive. I love how he defends the pick and roll. This guy hunts rebounds, He's great at tracking the ball. He's super fluid. And I also think that potentially you could run lineups Carson. It's a little jank against bigger teams. I think you could run a lineup with maybe bam Adebayo with the four and War at the five if you really need a lot of size out there.

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Speaker 3: I also like the flashes.

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Speaker 1: Of the offensive game that we've seen from where and I want to be clear about something like there's not a ton of polish here, but he shot forty three percent from behind the arc, like there's a little bit of a shot there, but there's also some postgame where you see glimpses of him rising and firing on post fades over his shoulder.

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Speaker 3: The shot looks pretty smooth.

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Speaker 1: He's a ways away there, so he's gonna need to develop his offensive game for sure, but he is an immediate impact defender that Heat have not had a backup five that they can like really rely on and non at of bio minutes they completely address that. But like I said, I think potentially if you need to go jumbo sized against other teams, he could coexist alongside Bam. I think it's a It's a great pick at really good value at a position of need for Miami.

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Speaker 3: So I love where it to.

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Speaker 2: The Heat absolutely. I do think he's more like seven foot flat than seven to two. He's not on the Donovan Klinging massive level, but he's a big dude and this has just been a glaring need for Miami. Now, would I love for them to take a big wing like Tristan da Silva, Yes, but you can't keep trotting out Kevin Love as your backup center. That's not a viable long term plan. The question with where is just how legitimate is the shot, Because he had an awesome three point shooting this past year, he was like forty three percent, but that wasn't something that he flashed really the year prior. It wasn't on super high volume. And the free throw shooting is much more questionable at sixty six percent. But I do think you're getting that defensive an athletic foundation with clear upside for him to be a quality stretched big. So I do think that it's a pretty good pick, definitely at a position of need. I'm going to stick in this sort of mid lottery range for my next favorite pick, and it's involving a guy who I just mentioned in the Southeast Division. We can stay in that region of the NBA, the Orlando Magic at number eighteen, get Tristan too, Silva Logan, and I just loved Silva. This is a guy who I would have been comfortable taking in the lottery because I think his floor is so high. I think he clearly has one of the handful of highest floors in this class. So I wanted to see him go to any team that was in a win now situation and needed some of that versatility needed some of that support in the front court. A guy who can rebound, playmake, shoot from three, drive, attack, transition, defend multiple positions. Disilva legitimately does all those things. He does everything at like at least a B level. Orlando is ironically not the spot that needs him the most because they already have two big foundational forwards with Paolo and Franz. Of course, they also have a really dynamic on the defensive end backup four with Jonathan Isaac, so they have their fair share of big, rangey front court athletes who are versatile. I still don't care, though, if you get to Silva at eighteen, that to me is a win no matter what. But there were some teams that were needier for a guy in that mold, like Miami, like Philly, like even the Lakers. But I'm very good with them taking connect. But I didn't want to see Disilva slide any further than this, And I'm glad that he's in a situation where he's gonna be in the playoffs in year one because you can absolutely trust him in those situations in a way that you can can't with most other dudes in this class. I just hope he doesn't get buried in the rotation.

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Speaker 1: This is one of the funniest picks to me in terms of just Orlando is stockpiling big, long, talented wings now. And you know, I wondered about the fit too, But I also go, damn, man, you really can't have enough of these guys. So I'm also intrigued at how he's going to coexist alongside these guys. I also hope he doesn't get buried in the rotation.

00:25:28
Speaker 2: But the Fronds at the two lineup, they're not ready for the Fronz at Kylo Da Silva lineup.

00:25:34
Speaker 1: Who the hell is scoring on these guys, man, I mean that's one thing though, dude. I mean there's gonna be a lot of long, rangy, great defensive athletes out there. The final big winner to me is someone who in a lot of ways is similar to Da Silva in his win now skill set, and that was Deron Holmes to Denver one. I think this guy compliments Jokic in a lot of ways where you could potentially run lineup at the four with him as a pick and roller, as a pick and popper as a defender. But I love what this does for Denver's bench. Denver has been strapped for just impact players off the bench period. Now you're gonna have Christian Brown. Now you're gonna have Peyton Watson. You've got your wings. Now you actually have a guy who you are confident in trotting out as a backup five and backup four. Holmes just does a lot of little things man again, creating out of the pick and roll, offensively in pick and pop game, defending the pick and roll, defensively, protecting the rim, defending in space. He's slightly undersized at the five spot at six foot nine, but he also has a really really long wingspan that helps make up for that. So I just like that it addresses a really really clear need for Denver. And he's such a multifaceted guy that I think he can run the five, but he can also run the four spot alongside Joki. You you just addresses such a clear to clear need for Denver.

00:26:58
Speaker 2: It is a really strong pick, and it's always been pretty clear that this was the direction that they were gonna go, because sitting at twenty eight, that was always the plan. They end up having to move up to twenty two, but I think that that's the right play for them. There has not been a more glaring need on this roster for several years than a legitimate backup big somebody who can at least bring you as much defensive value as Nikole Jokic, which is certainly not the higher bar that you're trying to hit there, and dron Holmes can easily do that. You're talking about a guy who legitimately is gonna protect the rim at a high level and then offensively, I do think can attack mismatches when he has a smaller player on him. I do think we'll be able to space the floor. We have seen some flashes of ball handling. He's gonna have to be consistent in a lot of these respects, really, in terms of spacing the floor. I think he's gonna be a good role man no matter what. But definitely you get more value with him when he can be effective as a popper. And that is some legitimate pressure to put on any rookie in a situation like Denver. You see it last year where none of those guys are ready to play just yet. Right Julians strauth Or even considered one of the most pro ready guys. He's not cracking the playoff rotation, but Denver didn't even have a playoff center last year, and I do think that this makes them more viable in those situations. It makes them more viable throughout the regular season. It makes it so when you're in a game seven, maybe you don't have to play Nikole Jokic forty seven minutes. You have somebody else who you can trust to at least capably fill those five minutes on your roster. I think that's the right pick for those reasons. And I also think that very similarly, the pick right before that ives Missy going to the Pelicans at twenty one was the right pick for a lot of similar reasons. You're just looking at teams that have had very clear needs at center. For Denver, it was the backup center for New Orleans. It's just the fact that Jonas Valanciunas is pretty obviously not capable of continuing to start for this team. He's too slow footed defensively, he's not even offering you much rim protection, and then you have his slow footedness offensively, his lack of floor spacing. I understand that he can shoot a decent percentage from three, but he's not willing to take those looks, like all those things have just sort of clogged things up for this New Orleans team. And they are rich with athletes. They are rich with great wings and a lot of good perimeter players. The five has been the biggest question mark. I like Larry Nance, I like his versatility, I like his effort, his athleticism at the five switch ability, but he's just too small at the end of the day. And sometimes he can knock down a wide open three, but certainly not a floor spacing big. And you're not gonna get the floor spacing with Missy. You're just getting a more consistent baseline in terms of this is a big who can legitimately consistently act as a vertical threat offensively, who defensively can consistently protect m who I do think should be able to guard some in space. They needed that guy. They had to address that in the draft, and you were not gonna run it back with Valentiunis and Nancy as your centers for next year. That's been the biggest concern. They have other big things to work through, such as what do we do with CJ ANDBI? Do you move off of one? We'll see what they do in terms of their perimeter star power alongside Zion, But I think this is a much better outlook for them being this athletic both on the wings and with your big Having a legit rim protector and rim finisher, to me, makes a lot of sense. Get ready for a night full of big fights in big action. It's UFC three to zero three and it can be even bigger. Jump in on all the action At Drafting Sportsbook, the official sports betting partner of UFC.

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00:32:04
Speaker 2: Let's put this on its head logan, what was your least favorite pick? Who was the biggest loser outside the lottery.

00:32:11
Speaker 1: My least favorite pick in by far the strangest pick in the first round of me was the Bucks taking aj Johnson. The only reason I say this is just because when you look at the Bucks timeline, their top five guys are all twenty nine years or older. Giannis is twenty nine, Dame is thirty three, Middleton is thirty two, Lopez is thirty six, Bobby Portis is twenty nine. And so the Bucks turn around and they draft a slight framed guard who is likely years away from giving you meaningful minutes. Yeah, it just left me scratching my head a little bit. You know, they go with a young athlete. He's six foot five, one hundred and sixty pounds, a six foot nine wingspan, thirty eight inch vert like, the measurables are cool, but this is a guy who averaged three points one and two assists in the NBA in the NBL last season, you know. I mean, he couldn't crack an NBL rotation. And so I'm just concerned in terms of.

00:33:11
Speaker 3: What are we doing here Milwaukee. In a lot of ways, it feels like the Golden State dilemma.

00:33:15
Speaker 1: It's like, why are you taking a guy who might help you win.

00:33:19
Speaker 3: Games in four to five seasons.

00:33:21
Speaker 1: We need a guy who can help us win basketball games right now. And yeah, I don't know. I didn't have this guy on my big board to go anywhere close to the first round. Carson, Frankly, you know, this is the second round guy to me, Like I had heard he had been shooting up draft boards, but I thought, you know, maybe he shoots up to the late thirties to the mid forties, not in the mid twenties, and not to a contender.

00:33:47
Speaker 3: I just think when.

00:33:48
Speaker 1: You are so strapped in terms of cap space because you have these big contracts like Middleton, like Lillard, like Giannis, this is a pick where you need to capitalize on somebody who can help you win games right now on a cheap contract for the next four years. You gotta maximize this pick. You gotta get somebody.

00:34:06
Speaker 3: That can help you win games now.

00:34:08
Speaker 1: And AJ Johnson, in a lot of ways, is the furthest prospect from that. Like for the majority of like these teams who drafted You're late, I like their draft, Like, even if I don't think you absolutely crushed it, I liked the guy that they picked, or I can see the vision.

00:34:23
Speaker 3: I don't see it at all with the AJ Johnson pick.

00:34:26
Speaker 2: I agree, this is my least favorite pick of the first round. We also didn't mention with our least favorite picks. The lottery resache at number one to Atlanta, which I don't think either of us like, but we've kind of beaten that horse to death and then beaten it while it's already dead. I'm with you. The timeline just does not make sense here. This is a guy who is struggling to get on the floor in the NBL un exceptionally unproven prospect, and he's got some wiggle, he's super quick, he's got a nice handle, he's got a good looking shot. Like That's not to say that he cannot bring you some off defensive value from the guard spot down the line. But for a team that's picking twenty third that is not just trying to contend, that desperately needs to find ways to improve on the margins with some of the most limited asset pools in the league. Like that is the situation that the Bucks are in. They are maybe the one team that cannot afford to miss on a pick like this. They don't have their first next year. I believe they only outright own one of their first round picks through twenty thirty. Now, a couple of those are swaps, which they'll probably keep or they'll at least pick somewhere, but those are not gonna be good first round picks. They're gonna be picking in the twenties again in several years. They're just not gonna have a pick whatsoever. So you have to make the most of every asset that you can possibly acquire. And I get it. Some of the dudes who I would have loved for Milwaukee to get, we're already off the board. I would have liked to see them get unathletic big, like to Ron Holmes, like knives Missy. Those guys went off the two picks before. I would have liked to see them at a wing like a Jalen Tyson. He went off the board three picks before. But you still had an Isaiah Collier on the board who if you were looking for somebody to bring a little bit of injection at the guard spot, he would be more apt to do and he would be more competitive immediately as an NBA athlete, and on the defensive side of the ball, if you wanted a more versatile offensive big. Kyle Philipowski was there, who ends up not going in the first round, But I would have been much more confident in contributing immediately. Tarren Shannon, who goes a few picks later, grown ass man, twenty three years old, almost twenty four. I'm pretty sure gonna defend. You think he's probably gonna knock down shots. He's an NBA athlete with the grown man body. He could contribute if you just wanted more bench offense, somebody to stabilize that second unit. Tyler Kohlik is out there, another really safe guy who ends up not going on the first day. And you just gotta sat there as some of the teams in front of you drafted guys who were intuitive fits for you. So I just can't wrap my head around the process here. I can't. There's not a player who is farther away who went in the first round, like I would say, this guy is farther away than Solon just considering the complete lack of production that we got from him last year, And you needed somebody, particularly a wing or a big like guard. To me, is not even the position of need. Who can win Now in three years, Damian Lillard is gonna be old old man. So we'll see what they do with Brook Lopez, We'll see what they do with Chris Middleton. But they have to be proactive. They have to make big moves because I get that you were really good in the regular season, but you're still not that close. I mean, you're really slow, you were struggling to defend. You're just clearly lacking in athleticism compared to a lot of these other awesome teams, and you had an opportunity to try to address that and you didn't.

00:38:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I felt like the no brainer was Tarren Shannon Junior, who is a just another home run.

00:38:06
Speaker 3: Pick to me by Minnesota.

00:38:07
Speaker 1: You want to talk about absolutely crushing this draft, Like I think you know, Tim Connolly to land Dillingham for that value and then to get Tarren Shannon Junior later in the draft is an absolute steel. But to me, he was the no brainer pick for Milwaukee, Like, yeah, dude, all the things you said, you need a big athlete, a guy who's a beast in transition. He's he's got grown man's strength, he's twenty three years old, he can shoot, he's he can do it all right now. And he's ready. That's the most important thing, man, And he's ready. So I just again I question the motivations of this pick, like are you planning for a is this a post Damian Lillard world pick?

00:38:46
Speaker 3: Like what are we doing.

00:38:47
Speaker 2: Man, No, they have to think he's gonna get on the floor sooner than that. But it's just so disappointing because you so clearly have needed a wing who can defend and knock down shots. We add the sort of one way answers Andre Jackson Junior, who can defend but offensively is not gonna be consistent enough. Boat Champ ultimately hasn't been a high enough level defender to where it's like, Okay, let's consistently put him in the rotation. And it's tough to put that burden on a young guy no matter what. But Terreen Shannon is damn near not a young guy. Dude. When you can get like a grown man like that, who you're gonna be more comfortable playing rotation minutes than just betting this range had a position of need and your goal is all about what can we do this year we traded for Damian Lillard. Remember that we went all in on this group. It's disappointing for me to Milwaukee. It really is a head scratching pick on multiple fronts. The value is one thing. This being the team to do it with their timeline makes it twenty times weirder. I do not like this from the Bucks. Okay, let's just talk about some of the other picks that we haven't had a chance to touch on yet. Jared McCain to the Sixers at number sixteen, Logan, how do you feel about this? Beck?

00:40:03
Speaker 1: I'm okay with McCain. I think I would have liked the Sixers going with a wing instead with the impending free.

00:40:12
Speaker 3: Agency of like a Kelly Oubre.

00:40:15
Speaker 1: McCain's interesting to me, man, because I just worry about his archetype in him staying on the floor as a slight, smaller guard. He's gonna bring you shooting. He's gonna bring you you know, veteran decision making out of the pick and roll. I trust the guy to make decisions. He's not a super explosive athlete. He's not a really high impact defender, Like I just look at this guy as a straight up floor space or to me, just wasn't the most valuable need for Philadelphia, and I just worry about his archetype just as a smaller guard.

00:40:49
Speaker 3: I don't hate the pick. I just probably would have gone in a different direction with what this team needs.

00:40:54
Speaker 1: But he's definitely gonna bring.

00:40:56
Speaker 3: You shooting man.

00:40:56
Speaker 1: That's one of the things that you don't have to question about McCain, like he's going to bring you really reliable floor spacing and secondary creation.

00:41:04
Speaker 2: I think it's a solid pick. Would I have preferred them getting Tristan da Silva, Yes, I'm sorry, I'm gonna say that for everybody in this range, for whom I feel that it is true. And I agree with you in terms of wings being a big position of need, because like they could damn near start from scratch there. It's not just Kelly Youubray, it's Nick Batoom right, like Tobias Harris is obviously finally gonna be gone. They've got a lot of minutes to fill in that position group. But because they are starting from scratch, I'm good with them taking a guy who I'm sure they felt was quite a safe pick. You are getting a really really good shooting prospect, who's gonna compete defensively, who's gonna be a sound decision maker. Do I think that he is the highest upside guy? No, and I probably would have preferred a bigger athlete. But I think this is a pretty solid pick overall. Okay, how about Jalen Tyson to the Cleveland Cavaliers Logan cal Bear Jalen Tyson at number twenty.

00:42:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like the pick for Cleveland.

00:42:07
Speaker 1: Here a little bit of a do it all wing, and that's kind of exactly what Cleveland needs. Like these guys were trotting out a Morris twin and Georgi Niang.

00:42:18
Speaker 3: For playoff minutes.

00:42:19
Speaker 1: Man, I mean that just cannot be happening in the year twenty twenty four. So addresses a clear, clear need for them, Like, I just think they desperately needed an athletic, do it all wing. Tyson brings some veteran polish, bring some defense, bring some shooting, just a little bit of everything. Yeah, I really like this pick for Cleveland. I think it addresses their biggest need. You know, I'm still concerned long term, like big picture about Cleveland on the whole, like the fit with Jared Allen and Evan Mobley and the fit with Garland and Mitchell, like all the things that we've discussed about Cleveland for a long time now, those things I'm I'm definitely still concerned about. But you needed another really talented wing, and yeah, I mean he brings you a little bit more size too, right, Like Streus is a little bit undersized. A Coor is a little bit undersized. Tyson's a little bit bigger. I think this is the biggest need for Cleveland. I think I prefer Kaishawan George a little.

00:43:14
Speaker 3: Bit to Tyson the day, but I like this pick. I don't know, man, Kayishan George is a really good defender.

00:43:21
Speaker 2: Yo Rue the day that you said that, No, I thought the Kaishawan George was good value at twenty four to Washington. But I love me a little Jalen Tyson. Now he is a cal Bear, and I love the California Golden Bears, and they haven't had an NBA player since Ivan rab In twenty seventeen drafted. So it's been a long long time waiting to get back to this place. But I really do like Tyson and I do think that this is a really good spot for him. And I thought he was undervalued when people were talking about him as an early second round kind of guy. I would have preferred taking him in the early twenties like he ultimately did go. Now he's not a big wing I mean, I would say, in terms of bills, pretty darn similar to Okoro. I mean, he's maybe six six ' eight wingspan. He plays pretty big. He's a really good positional rebounder. He's strong as hell. But he's not gonna be a guy that you're playing at the four or whatever if maybe you weren't familiar with his game and you had that in mind. But he is a really versatile offensive player, and that, to me is valuable in Cleveland because you have so many guys who are one dimensional and might not even be that great at that one dimension, or they're inconsistent shooters. That is kind of the one concern with Tyson is how reliable is the three point shot gonna be. He's a little streaky there, but he was thirty six percent from deep this year, really good from the line. And you're getting a guy who's gonna do a bunch of things to help you win. You want him to screen, he will absolutely do that. You need him to crash the glass, he will do that. You want him to run some pick and roll possessions and playmake he can do that. He was like better than seventieth percentile as a pick and roll creator, isolation creator, and a post up. He's got that little back to the basket game. He's a physical, shifty sort of wing, and he can defend multiple positions and he's gonna compete there. So he is one of the most complete wings whom Cleveland could have taken, and I think that that's a good thing. Right, Okoro came into the league, and although he's obviously improved as a shooter, like he was just raw athlete, and unfortunately his shot really let him down in these playoffs, and the shooting overall from Cleveland was again really rough in these playoffs. Tyson's not a marksman, but he brings so many positive traits overall that I think this is a good pick for them at a position of need. Okay, how about Dottie going to the Knicks at number twenty five? Logan and the Knicks also trade. They do all sorts of weird stuff, but they end up not using their second pick because they were at twenty four and twenty five. They trade out at twenty four to move back to twenty six. Then they trade out of twenty six. But how do you like Dottie going to New York.

00:46:00
Speaker 1: I mean, he's younger, you know. I like his size that he brings. I think he's got a ways to go, right, I don't think this is a guy that's probably gonna play immediately, and I think the Knicks are kind of in a position to do that. I think with getting a guy like the Knicks did get Kaishan, right, they didn't trade that pickle. Oh no, the Wizard's got kay Shan. I kind of wish the Knicks had gotten Kai Shan.

00:46:25
Speaker 2: Man.

00:46:26
Speaker 1: That actually makes me look at this a little different. I was under the impression Georgie had gone.

00:46:29
Speaker 3: To the Knicks. I'm okay with it. I don't know.

00:46:34
Speaker 1: I would probably just prefer winning now guys like you don't really need a ton if you're in New York, so I understand it to an extent, right, like your rotation for the most part is carved out, but just with injuries in the NBA, I would always err on the side if I'm what guys who.

00:46:51
Speaker 3: Can play immediately.

00:46:53
Speaker 1: I just think Dobt he is a couple of years away from really being what he's going to be or really.

00:46:58
Speaker 3: You know, playing a lot of minutes in a rotation.

00:47:01
Speaker 1: I probably would have preferred in a little bit more of a winning now asset. But I don't hate Daddie. He's a prospect.

00:47:07
Speaker 3: I just think he's a few years away.

00:47:10
Speaker 2: I think it'll be interesting to see what the Knicks are planning on doing here. My Knicks friend Ethan texting me, he says, I think that they're making a push to keep Hartenstein. We'll see what they end up doing. I would have liked to see them go with a big in this spot, and a lot of the dudes went off the board in the early twenties. But I like Philipowski man. I thought he should have gone day one. I think he's really really a strong offensive player, versatile, can handle, can shoot, can post up, can finish around the rim, can play make and then defensively, he's not gonna be great, but he can guarden space and he can protect the rim pretty well. Like I think he is gonna make some teams wish that they had drafted him. And if you do lose Hartenstein or Robinson, and you're probably gonna lose one. I would like to have another viable option there. New York is pretty rich with wings at this point, post Mchel. I like Dattie. I do think there are guys who are more pro ready. Terren Shannon would be more pro ready, but I like this guy's tools, And I don't think that New York is in a position where it's like, although they are a win now team, they're not like, oh man, we need more rotation, guys who can play like their depth is obviously a real strong point already, guys six ' eight. I like his shot a lot. He's not just a pure three point shooter. He's willing to utilize the mid range, attacking closeouts. Really smooth there. He's got some pretty legit playmaking chops, like some flashes of what he can do on ball, and then I think he can attack close outs. He's a pretty good athlete and he can defend. So there's a lot of tools that I like with him. He's probably not going to be a guy who factors into the equation for you this year. Maybe they were more pro ready guys. Philipowski is probably just the one spot where I go position of need and ready to contribute. But I don't dislike this pick. I like the talent now logan really interesting pick. Again, the Knicks trade out of this one at twenty six, so Okase could get Dylan Jones out of Weber State, who was not widely considered a first round talent. What was your thoughts on this one.

00:49:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, I went back and watched some of Dylan Jones last night. I think the guy's got solid game last season twenty one, eleven and five. I think he's six ' six with a six foot.

00:49:22
Speaker 3: Eleven wingspan, just kind of.

00:49:25
Speaker 1: Do it all wing Like Oklahoma City just finds these guys man Like, he's a jumbo sized guy. You can handle the ball, he can get to the hoop, he can finish through contact, can finish with both hands, can play with his back to the basket. Like I just I like his measurables. I like his size, and I like how just how many different ways he impacts the game. Man, scoring, rebounding, playmaking, defending, He does a lot of things at a at a really high level. I think it might be another steal by OKC.

00:49:55
Speaker 3: Man.

00:49:55
Speaker 1: I can see this guy playing the two if you need. I can see this guy playing three if they need, And he does a lot of complimentary things. He was not in my first round. I did not expect him to get taken this early. But yeah, I like Oklahoma City getting another guy who was rotational ready and ready to play tomorrow.

00:50:14
Speaker 3: So in that regard, I think it's a good pick man.

00:50:16
Speaker 1: You can't ever have enough of these, you know, really good multifaceted big guys.

00:50:22
Speaker 2: I don't know that I like this one quite as much as you do. Now. He's a very interesting player. When you're talking about six five two forty ball handler, it's an interesting skill set, and he certainly knows how to use that strength and size. He's a physical driver. He's good finishing through contact, pretty good use of angles, good touch, pretty shifty like he's a good mover for the amount of weight that he carries. He handles the ball well. He's a pretty good passer. He can be a bit careless with it, a bit turnover prone. My biggest concern with him is just how he hangs defensively, because, unsurprisingly at that size, he's not quick laterally and he's not really bringing you this sort of value as an interior defender that you might like from a guy with those perimeter limitations. He's nothing as a secondary rim protector, like, that's not his role whatsoever. He's only a twelve percentile post defender. And you would think if there's anything that a big, stout wing can do, it's defend the post. But there were a few possessions watching back there where I'm like, you should have offered more resistance, like you kind of got cooked in this, and I'm not sure that that should have been the case. Sometimes it's just guys shooting over him, but sometimes it's guys like sort of going through him, which shouldn't happen if he's committed to that end. So I think that there were safer picks, and ultimately I'm just a little bit frustrated that okay See hasn't taken a good hard look at that front court taking topitch twelfth. I love the value, I love the talent, I see the vision. The shot has to be more consistent for him to work off ball alongside SGA, but he's an eighty seven percent free throw s like there's reason to think that he will progress. And then if he does, you get an awesome playmaker at six seven, really good ball handler, shifty driver, and you need more mature offensive players. You need more creation and playmaking because this past year we saw the inconsistency of everybody other than SGA. They're really exposed by Dallas. It was rough for them in that respect. But now you pick at twelve, you trade up to pick at twenty six. You don't look at the four spot either time. We'll see what their plan is there, But I hope that they are not of the belief that, like, we don't need to size up at all, we don't need to improve on the glass at all, because I do think they do, and Dylan Joes is an excellent positional rebounder, ten rebounds, a game kind of guy. I also want to see if his shot is consistent though, because he was thirty two percent from deep, eighty two percent free throw shooter, really good touch in that respect, but we have a pretty good sample size of him beyond the arc. Now we're talking about a four year player who's consistently been in a high volume and he's just thirty two percent from the college three point line. So I'm not super optimistic about him being more than a mediocre three point shooter. So it's not my favorite pick for Okay, see it's fun. He's a unique player. I like that, but it's not my favorite pick.

00:53:15
Speaker 1: They also, I just wanted to mention they also did give up five second round picks to going.

00:53:19
Speaker 2: Up the fires with guy, so kind of weird. I mean, it's find they have more picks overall than anybody could ever use in a lifetime.

00:53:27
Speaker 1: I think that just speaks to how confident Oklahoma City is scouting, you know, and front off his team has to be in this kid. But I'm one hundred percent with you. I think the most overlooked thing about the Thunders draft is the fact that they didn't go with a guy at the four of the five spot.

00:53:41
Speaker 3: I still think it's their biggest need.

00:53:43
Speaker 1: And if I'm looking at the crop of guys that are still available here at the top of the second I might see if I could trade back in and go and get one of those guys, Like I think if you could get Philipowski in the early thirties, and that is a that is a home run hit.

00:53:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying not to bring up Philipowski with every pick, but like there's anywhere he makes sense. It's okay, See, you maintain your offensive identity. You have a dude who can space the floor, who can handle, you can create, he can run inverted picking roll for you epee, and he can defend reasonably well and he can play the four and he can be a backup five for you, both things which okay, see needs in my opinion. I just thought passing up on him was not the right call. Okay, how about Terrence Shannon going to Minnesota at twenty seven? Logan, I know you said that you like this pick, but why.

00:54:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just think one Terren Shannon brings a lot of Polish man and a lot of experience. I love how consistently he gets downhill man. He's a really good athlete. I think he's gonna be menacing in transition. And again, you think about the context of his role within this Minnesota team, I think he fits perfectly. It's another really athletic guy who can defend perfect I trust his shot. You've seen some flashes of his game off the dribble, but I think in this role he'll be more just. He needs you to defend at a high level. We need you to knock down your open shots. We need you to make good decisions. And maybe he can take on a secondary or tertiary ball handling roll off the bench where you know he's getting into the teeth of the defense and creating a little bit. But yeah, I mean, it's just another really athletic wing with a lot of Polish. He's gonna defend at a high level. That's a really valuable archetype. But especially in Minnesota. I just love how the things are coming together from Minnesota. Man, next year, like your bench is gonna be Dillingham. You know, Tren Shannon, Kyle Anderson, Nas Reed, Nikhil, Alexander Walker. That's money to me, man, that is money. That's ten guys that I really trust to go out there and give me minutes every single night. I think Minnesota absolutely crushed this draft I had.

00:55:45
Speaker 3: I think I had.

00:55:46
Speaker 1: Taron Shannon like almost almost lottery. I think I had him like in the early twenties. So I think this is pretty good value for this pick too. Man, I really like Taryn Shannon's game.

00:55:56
Speaker 2: He fits their identity and he fits their timeline. And it's not just the defense. He's a pretty good shooter. I think he is a guy who plays with some maturity, like he's a high IQ cutter. I just trust him to contribute immediately for a number of reasons, his athleticism, his skill set, his age. I think that this is a good pick for them. You can argue that they already have so many quality defensive wings and offense isn't necessarily the strength for Shannon but I do think he's solid there. I think he's a really, really solid all around wing. Okay, how about the Sun's taking Ryan Dunn at number twenty eight out of Uva logan, what was your take on this?

00:56:38
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, man, this is the most Suns pick of all time. Let's go ahead. Let's get a one way guy. Let's get a one way guy. Look, I am a UVA fan. I am a struggling UVA fan. Ryan duncan defend his ass off. He might be the best perimeter defender in this class. The tools, the athleticism, the intensity, he brings it all. But to me, it's like, okay, let's bring in another Josha Kogi man. Let's bring in another guy who is like completely offensively inept. Dud's offensive game is wrong, man, And so he's gonna compliment these scorers in terms of he's gonna do the little junkyard stuff. He's gonna defend, he's gonna rebound. But I just worry about teams being able to counter him offensively, much like they do the other Sons guys, where they just load up on the stars and let him shoot in the corner or let him shoot that's my one concern with a guy like Done. I trust in offensively, I trust him athletically. This guy's a veteran, but just in terms of how teams I think are gonna be able to counter his skill set, Like, I'm just.

00:57:45
Speaker 3: Gonna leave him. I'm just going to leave him alone.

00:57:47
Speaker 1: And I just don't like the fact that there's such an easy recipe to counter his offensive game. The Sons need multifaceted guys, they need two way guys, and it just seemed like such a Sun's pick.

00:58:02
Speaker 2: Man.

00:58:02
Speaker 1: I felt like I could see this coming from a mile away. Like in a lot of ways, I kind of feel like the Suns already have two or three guys like this already on their roster.

00:58:10
Speaker 2: Well hold on now, I mean, he is a crazy defender.

00:58:15
Speaker 3: He's a great defender, but it's just.

00:58:18
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, come playoff time, Like, I just don't like having these guys that you can just expose and completely drop off and not worry about offensively. I feel like that hinders all the great stuff that you can do offensively. But it does address a very big need for Phoenix. They need they need guys who can play roles. They need guys who can defend Ryan Dun's gonna do that immediately.

00:58:39
Speaker 2: I don't hate the pick because I do think Don is an exceptional, exceptional defender, and I think that there is definitely value in that for Phoenix, Like, this is a dude who is not just the best perimeter defender in this glass. He's an awesome rim protecting wing. He everges two point three blocks per game. He's a really good rebounder. I mean, crazy easy length, seven to two wingspan, awesome mover, really good athlete overall, and he's gonna bring constant, hillacious effort on the defensive side. Like he's gonna be an awesome, awesome defender, but he's sort of gonna fall into like that matist tible world of Okay, he's an awesome defender. Is he playable offensively? That Andre Roberson world of awesome defender? Is he playable offensively? That is unequivocally my concern because he's a really good athlete and he's a really good cutter, and he finds the ways to use that athleticism in transition and whatnot. But I mean, he's just a brutal shooter of the basketball. He's twenty percent from deep. He's fifty three percent from the line. I see no reason to think that he's gonna figure that shot out. If he did, great, I mean, that would make this a really good pick. But he's as long a shot to figure his three point shot out as anybody in this class. Like, it's really really far away. So that's where I'm with you. For the Suns, you just need guys who can play both sides of the ball cap. If they could have gotten to Terrence Shannon, then that would have been great. Unfortunately that guy was off the board at this point. The Kaishawn George is whoever you might have wanted to take in that sort of three and D wing role, Jalen Tyson, Like a lot of those guys had gone off the board at this point. So from that perspective, I understand, Hey, let's just take the defensive stud and hope we can carve some value out for him offensively. Hope that he's able to uh take advantage of the attention that our ball handlers demand and cut and crash the offensive glass. I don't hate the pick, but I am worried about him just being unplayable offensively. Okay, last pick of the first round. Logan, these Boston Celtics get Baylor Shireman out of Creighton. How did you like this pick?

01:00:46
Speaker 1: Racially motivated pick? This is a racially sad but trick sad, but I just cannot believe Boston did this again. This is almost like a middle finger. Man, like, we won the title, we have all basically all of our rotation is in place.

01:01:01
Speaker 2: We're gonna take occasion.

01:01:03
Speaker 3: We're gonna take another white guy, so.

01:01:05
Speaker 2: Another white American. Nonetheless, that's the craziest part. They load up on the white Americans.

01:01:11
Speaker 3: Richard Howser, Shireman, Cornett. Am I missing, am I missing any? I feel like I'm missing one guy.

01:01:19
Speaker 2: No, Well, they put ste out there in the all white lineup, but he's not American.

01:01:24
Speaker 1: Shavie Mkai Luke like dude, like Boston, what are you guys doing?

01:01:29
Speaker 3: What are you guys doing?

01:01:30
Speaker 1: Man? I had Shireman as a second round draft prospect.

01:01:34
Speaker 3: I really wondered if.

01:01:36
Speaker 1: I know a lot of college basketball hits love this guy. They love his Polish, they love how he relocates off ball and shoots, and you know what, in a lot of basketball situations, I really wonder if Shireman works where he has to play an elevated role.

01:01:50
Speaker 3: Uh defensively, you know.

01:01:56
Speaker 1: I worry about him athletically, but I think he's probably gonna work in. He's a really good positional rebounder.

01:02:02
Speaker 3: He may be a.

01:02:02
Speaker 1: Little slower, he's not explosive, but he can rebound at a high level.

01:02:06
Speaker 3: I think he can probably.

01:02:08
Speaker 1: Defend in a team context, and he can shoot the hell out of the pill. He's probably gonna work for Boston.

01:02:15
Speaker 3: Boston figures out.

01:02:16
Speaker 1: How to make these gangly, goofy white guys work in their system, and Shireman's probably gonna work here in Boston. So in a lot of other spots, I probably wouldn't like this pick, but Boston's probably gonna figure out how to make it work for this kid.

01:02:29
Speaker 2: I like the big now to beat a dead horse one more time, I would have preferred Philipowski here. If they were gonna go with the white guy route, take the white big who can play the four and the five, which is exactly what you need. You need a third Legit big as a Horford in porzingis safety valve. Surprise they didn't do that. But I do like Shireman. I think he's pretty darn high floor. A lot of really good offensive traits from him, elite shooter, thirty nine percent from deep, eighty two percent from the line in his college career. Nail's movement curling around screens, coming off handoffs, just an awesome three point shooter. And although he is not a guy who is like going to be a primary ball handler for you, especially not in Boston obviously, but like nowhere was he going to be a high volume pick and roll ball handler. He was a ninety eighth percentile pick and roll creator. Though he's got really good feel. He's a smart guy, elite shooter, really good rebounder. As you mentioned, the concern is the limited athleticism, but I think he is the right mentality defensively, I think he competes and it's sort of like Sam Hauser, right, There's nothing about Sam Hauser on paper that says that guy's going to be able to defend. But you put him in these isolation situations against Kyrie, against Luca, He's moving his feet, he's defending hard, he's got good back line help behind him, got good defenders all around him. Guy's able to hang in there enough. I think that Shyriman could bring a similar injection of shooting from the second unit with even a little bit more ball handling. All right, who are the best guys still out there? Logan for day two.

01:04:00
Speaker 3: To beat a dead horse one more time.

01:04:01
Speaker 1: I think Kyle Philipalski is one of the best fives available. I also like another acc big man who can stretch the floor. I mentioned this guy in the pre draft or previews. I really like Quinton Post out of Boston College. I think he can really shoot. I think he can put the ball on the floor. He is a little older, he's twenty four years old, but I don't look at that as a negative. I look at that his experience in college like I think the guy can play immediately.

01:04:29
Speaker 3: It's not the most valuable archetype.

01:04:30
Speaker 1: But he is a skilled five and if you need a guy like that, I think he can play. I think your boy Tyler Kohlik. I am shocked that he is still available. This guy immediately can come in here and be a great bench point guard. I feel in a lot of similar ways about Cam Spencer out of Yukon. I think that guy brings veteran poise and polish and decision making and craftiness. I think he could be a bench point guard immediately. And another guy I mentioned too, I really like Antonio Reeves. He's another one of these older college guys. He's twenty three years old out of Kentucky, a little bit of a smaller guard. You worry about him defensively with his slight of frame, but great touch, great intermediate game, float touch, good shooter of the basketball off movement, and again, man, he just brings some veteran polish. So all of these guys I think could be like immediate impact bench players from day one, and I expect I expect all of them.

01:05:25
Speaker 3: To get drafted.

01:05:26
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if Quinton Posts didn't get drafted, but I would definitely send him an undrafted free agent contract if he was still available.

01:05:33
Speaker 3: But those other.

01:05:34
Speaker 1: Three guys or four guys, excuse me, I definitely think they should get drafted.

01:05:39
Speaker 2: Top of the second. To me, Philipowski and Kolk are the two best dudes out there. Just offensive games that are very polished that I'm very confident in. And if you're the bucks Man, there's something of a chance for redemption for you. You're picking at thirty three. Again, like to me, the three and D wing is the best archetype. And then I don't know if maybe you look at like mccoler out of Kansas, where you're not necessarily extremely confident in the offensive game. But it does make sense in terms of the archetype. He's just got to prove that he's a more consistent shooter at the next level. But Philipowski, I think having a versatile big would be good for them. Those are just two guys I'm very confident in translating, and I am surprised that they made it this far. Anybody that needs a second unit point guard, take Tyler kolloch Man. He's a dog, he's a leader, he's shifty, he's super crafty, he's a really good shooter, he's a really good passer. He has his limitations defensively, but he competes. Gonna be a good NBA player, Gonna be a guy you want on your team. Any final thoughts slogan before we get out of here.

01:06:46
Speaker 3: Can I drop a nas read real quick?

01:06:48
Speaker 2: You can drop a nas read real quick? All right? Let me ask you. We talked about some of our favorite individual picks. Biggest winner of Day one of the draft overall.

01:06:56
Speaker 3: Who was Minnesota?

01:06:57
Speaker 1: Minnesota Mini wooh, Wow. Yeah, man. The value that they got Joe Biden, the value that they got Dillingham at to me is exceptional. And again I wonder about long term what happens with Dillingham, but the guy has a star ceiling for sure. I think, like you know, in the best world, I think Dillingham has that ceiling. But I think he's in a perfect role where if he doesn't reach that, like you know, he works immediately still where he can be a productive NBA player from day one. And I was just so high on Tarry Channon Junior coming into day one. To get both of those guys, who again I like their upside, I like their long term prospects, but I also like how they play immediately like Tim Connolly crushed crush day one. And again it's it's about the value for Dillingham.

01:07:49
Speaker 3: If they had given up.

01:07:52
Speaker 1: More, you know, I'd be like, damn, man, you gave up way too much. They gave up to first in six or seven years. I mean, who cares, man, Yeah, exactly. So I think Minnesota and.

01:08:04
Speaker 3: Utah Utah is a huge, huge winner to me to.

01:08:08
Speaker 1: Get Cody Williams at ten and to get call your twenty nine, I mean, that's like, those are two top ten guys on my draft board that you get at ten and at twenty nine. Both of those teams exceptional value, exceptional prospects. I think both of those Northwest teams crushed the draft.

01:08:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really like what Utah did. The one winner who we haven't shouted out, just the Wizards getting Alex Sar at number two, just to me getting the best player in the draft. They're basically starting blank slate now if you look at the totality of the day. I didn't love them trading away Denny for what they did, but I did really like them getting Sar. I like them getting Kaishawn George. I think that that's a pretty solid three and D wing right now. The guy's gonna be able to shoot the ball for sure and bring you some playmaking. And I like bub Carrington a number fourteen for them. I think maybe that's a little bit high in a vacuum, but not too high. And he's like a really skilled shot maker, one of the most skilled offensive guards in this class for sure. So I like that from them. On the flip side of the whole Minnesota thing, I'm wondering what's going on with san Antonio. I'm wondering why they did that deal, Why they didn't sit and pick at eight, if they wanted their offensive guard dealing camb Ortelpicch, if they wanted a wing Cody Williams or boozellis Like, I really like what they did with Caswood four. I think getting an athletic defensive mind to play making guard like that is good. And we're just waiting for them to pair him with the offensive guard and Wemby and then you got a really good foundation. I'm just kind of wondering why they made that trade because it doesn't make sense to me on its face.

01:09:47
Speaker 1: Well, what makes you wonder if there's something that san Antonio is planning on the back end, right? Are they planning some sort of star deal where they gonna take those picks and package them along to get somebody who knows.

01:09:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they've got too first down the line. I'd rather have the eighth pick this year than first in twenty thirty and in twenty thirty one from Minnesota who's probably still going to be pretty good, but interesting stuff. They do pick again early in the second round, so it'll be fun to see where they go with that and with that, we're done here. Folks. These have been our draft thoughts. Hope you enjoyed. This ended up being a pretty fun draft season. I know that there was a lot of shitting on this draft, not to say that we are guiltless in that. I mean, it is one of the weaker drafts, but most of that is because of like just lacking top end studs. Once you appreciate the depth of this class, some of the quality role players, some of the high floor guys you could take in the top ten, then you like them. And that's kind of one of my biggest takeaways is just don't underestimate the value of a floor in this class. I thought our friend Yolkic Joe Star said something pretty good on Twitter today about people disliking the zach Edy pick, and he said his biggest takeaway from that is that people really undervalue of Ittsuzuba because that's like the intuitive comp for Zach Edy. Zakie's got to shoot sixty five percent inside the pain outside the restricted area. It's not under sells you Bot's touch, but he's pretty darn good there and he's massive. He's even more massive, and he's gonna protect the rim, even though he'll struggle to guard in space. I think there's a validity that getting a good starter in this draft anywhere is a win. So there you go. Those are our thoughts, folks. Hope you enjoyed. If you did. There's plenty more Nerd Sash content across our YouTube channel. You can listen to the show across all audio platforms. Follow us across social TikTok and Instagram at nerd Sash, Twitter at nerd Underscore Sesh, join our discord, check out our merch at the Volume dot com. All of that would just be so so nice and show us that you love us just as much as we love you, because we do. Oh we love you guys. So with that, as always, I've been.

01:11:49
Speaker 3: Carson Breber, I've been Logan Camden and

01:11:52
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