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Speaker 1: So much.
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Speaker 2: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.
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Speaker 1: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that this podcast is recorded on from Mama Mia. Welcome to this spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodneck and I'm and then coming up on the show today, well, two topics very close to Emily Vernham's heart. She pitched them. She broke down the door of the studio to get in here and talk about them.
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Speaker 3: Are we going to talk about the moth in the room?
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I wished I had recorded that. So we have a little spooky treat coming up for you guys soon of something. And then I were doing and in our planning me this morning as we were talking about well, I was on the video call and you were in the studio, So two different perspectives of the event. So from my perspective, which heading away about some horror movies, We're having a fun time, and all of a sudden on the camera, I just see you and our producers just jump up from the table and then our producer Manitia just fall to the floor and I thought like a murderer had broken into the room.
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Speaker 3: It was a moth. It was one little moth. It was big. It was a big moth.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, my, what's not going to hurt you?
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Speaker 3: It was just for eight fifty am meeting. It's just not the energy I needed.
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Speaker 1: You all just left the room and I'm on the camera.
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Speaker 3: We fully left the room because we are scared of left LB on screen.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, does someone die? What happened? Imagine if the moth's face just came up right, so scary, like a serial killer movie.
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Speaker 3: And because we were both about to go to a very scary event and we were talking and I was already like in my legs.
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Speaker 1: Scared, You're already ready to be scared, just appears.
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Speaker 3: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I thought I'll produce the Minitia had died. She hit the floor so far?
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Speaker 3: Yeah you didn't.
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Speaker 1: Where is that now? Is it in the room with us in.
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Speaker 3: The meeting room? Firstly, everyone in the office just turned to look at us because we were just screaming and came out and then the moth like flew away and everyone was just like, oh, that was such a waste of our time.
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Speaker 1: You don't know what it was. Do you know which celebrity is deadly? Afraid of morths that she would have absolutely passed away if she was in that room. Nicole Kibben, really, Nicole Kibbenn is petrified of moths, so she brings it up all the time in interviews.
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Speaker 3: Oh it's fair, yeah, because you know when you hit them and they become like buttery.
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Speaker 1: It's like they stay with you forever. Never hit a MOTHA don't wait to get the animal rights activists involved. Sorry, we're getting some emails. So we're coming to you guys today from a traumatized place, is what Emily's trying to say.
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Speaker 3: That's the mood of the day.
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Speaker 1: So keep that trauma in mind. So today go on with Paltrow. That's all I'll just say. Emily has beef. She was messaging me last night with basically, you want to take a hit out in the whole Paltrow Martin family.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll take.
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Speaker 1: Them all down. Yeah, So we're gonna chat about that. Plus, Lily Allen has given any interview leading up to the release of her new album about being single. You've got some thoughts on that, and we have to dive into what happened with her relationship because it is so so very intense. But first, this morning we woke we woke up to a beautiful gift.
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Speaker 3: Ah. Yes, some might call it a gift.
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Speaker 1: Oh, I thought it was a gift. I was so excited I bounced out of bed like it was Christmas morning, which is so fitting because this is the show I saved to watch on Christmas Day.
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Speaker 3: Long time listeners know exactly what you're talking exactly.
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Speaker 1: The new trailer for Emily in Paris for the new season.
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Speaker 2: We start on a beautiful woman. She's joined by a man. It's clear they know each other, unable to keep their hands with each other, eventually cheering backiss.
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Speaker 1: Roll looks so good on you, right. My sister and I always watched Emily and Paris together, and it's a whole thing from how we watched the screeners for the first time, not knowing what the show was, and we were like in lockdown together and it was just the most beautiful night we ever had, and so ever since then we save it to watch together.
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Speaker 3: The fast time I loved my sister.
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Speaker 1: That's the first time we bonded. No, we had way too bonded. We we just spend less time together, and now we save it to watch on Christmas Night together and everyone else has gone to bed. But at the end of last season, fans of Emily in Paris, the real ones, well know that it ended with her because she was moving to Rome for work. We had a bit of a call going into her Insto account and like deleting the Emily in Paris and putting Emily in Rome, and then the screen cut to black, and I was like, what a masterpiece of like a cliffhanger ending.
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Speaker 3: Except yeah, if you've worked in social media, m hm, you know, changing a handle on a verified Instagram account is very hard to bring.
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Speaker 1: That in here.
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Speaker 4: Don't bring that energy in here. I know she could look nothing about it. Even from the trailer they dropped today. I was just like full little logistics mode. I was like, how is she getting from Paris to Rome? That's a two hour flight, So it's.
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Speaker 1: Like, she's in Rome, what do you mean?
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Speaker 3: I think? And it's no, but like all the other characters are also following her to Rome for some reason.
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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, Can I just tell you one of my biggest pet peas, there's a few of them. People are talking movies, people that think loving true crime is a quirky personality trait and people that don't understand Emily in Paris. The plot is so simple at the end of last season, Yeah, the whole like the main players Sylvie Luke are all in Rome.
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Speaker 3: And are they just staying in Rome for them?
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Speaker 1: They're not all saying that. Emily is staying to run the Rome office for Agents Gratto, which is Sylvie's agency that they all work for. And I guess the rest of them are there because they're working on that big campaign for that huge client, Marcello's family, And so I'm thinking that a lot of them will be in Rome setting up the new office and working on the campaign. But the idea is that Emily is the only one who works there permanently.
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Speaker 3: What about that?
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Speaker 1: It is hard to understand.
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Speaker 3: And then where's Mindy?
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Speaker 1: So Mindy remember how she got a job being a judge on Chinese pop Idol and that was the show that she ran away to Paris to escape because she had been on the show as a singer as a contestant and she had hit a really bad note and gone viral. Just remember after her band were kicked out of Eurovision. She went to meet Emily in Rome so they could get the whole gang there, and she went viral for singing her new song Beautiful Ruins in the middle of Rome and.
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Speaker 3: That's all in Rome.
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Speaker 1: Yes, okay, yeah, I don't understand what about that. It's hard to understand.
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Speaker 3: No, it's fine. I just think logistically. But now we have my defensive plane ticket it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, not no, No, they'll be going back and forth.
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Speaker 3: You know how like Rome to Paris is a two hour flight, which is like the same amount of time it is from Sydney to Adelaide. Yeah, and yet we're in the same country.
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Speaker 1: No, we really don't have a good here.
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Speaker 3: No.
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Speaker 1: I know, like I want to travel.
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Speaker 3: I want to go to Rome, and I wanted to take a two hour flight.
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Speaker 1: I know. That's the beauty of being Europe, isn't it That everywhere is just so cleol.
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Speaker 3: It just makes me really sad.
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Speaker 1: We have other things going on for us here, that's true.
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Speaker 3: Adelaide's nice, Yeah it is.
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Speaker 1: You're doing tourism and Adelaide in the middle of us in the spots for Yeah, send us to Adelaide, send us to Rome and then we'll come back to Adelaide and comparing controls.
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Speaker 3: I am really excited for this next season. Yes, with the Italian fashion. Yeah, I think it's going to be so so good, and also have a huge crash on her love interest.
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Speaker 1: Oh much, Oh my god, he's so yeah that is. Can I just say I obviously I watched Emily in Paris over and over and over again La Loup, but after I watched on Christmas Day, but the Italian episodes from the end of last season, I watch those like, oh my god, this.
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Speaker 3: So beautiful, so beautiful. Really, I actually am excited.
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Speaker 1: And also this time around, So is Alfie going to be in there?
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Speaker 2: Yes?
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Speaker 1: Okay, here's the thing, So Camille's Camille's not in this season, which I guess it's okay. She's gone to adopt a baby cute. Emily is involved in like a love quadrant quadrant yes, because she and Marcello after having that bump about him thinking that she was just trying to get to him for his family business, and now she's moved to Rome and they're going to be together. But also Gabrielle, that old stick in the mind. Would she get out of here? Is he's still in Paris, he was traveling to he was going to go to Rome to get win Emily back.
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Speaker 3: So they are getting all this money.
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Speaker 1: He wants her back. Now, what's a too hour flight? I'm sure you can get. You can get like super cheap tickets. It's fine. And then Alfie is back in the mix.
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Speaker 3: This season immigration getting all these people and I'm explaining why they're there. Who's this Emily girl?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and everyone's just come for her exactly. Well, Emily has a proper European working visa now, at least to work in France, so she could for anyone.
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Speaker 3: Who's government's like, I got you your v'sa and you're not even here.
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, well she's She's an asset to France, is what they ascertained to chaos. So yeah, so will it be Marcello? Will it be ALFI, will it be Gabrielle. That's this season set up. Who do you want it to be? Michello?
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Speaker 3: No, I want Marchello?
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Speaker 1: Oh you want to date Marcello?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I want her to be with Alfie that's my thought.
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Speaker 3: I love him. So at least they have any like Lewis Hamilton, who I really Yeah? That boat's so good looking.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god. Well the new season Elli in Paris is just I'll never be like a proper TV critic because of this conversation. The new season Emily in Paris is coming to Netflix December eighteen. I of course I'll be watching it to the twenty fifth, so we'll still do some content.
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Speaker 3: Okay, it's all right. So Lily Allen is coming out with a brand new album tomorrow.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know.
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Speaker 3: And I feel like every millennial and gen Z girl have been seeing it everywhere, but mainly because she's been doing a lot of press for it.
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Speaker 1: And also, Lily Allen was such an important part of like our teenage year and maybe you're a young like your primary school years, teenage years, UNI years, and I've seen so many elder millennials just posting like the promo for her new album saying this is my life of a showgirl. Me. I'm that excited.
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Speaker 3: And I remember, like even when Game of Thrones happened, and I'm so excited because Lily Allen's brother was and he.
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Speaker 1: Said to her, can you stop giving me interviews about me being on the show, And I was like, let us speak.
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Speaker 3: Let us speak. Yeah, really, Ahunt deserves it. So she recently did an interview with Perfect magazine and in the interview, she's talking about the album and she's really not holding back any details on what this album is about. She was talking about her separation with David Harbor. We know that they were married for a bit. They dated for a very very long time. She's forty, he's fifty, and she has like two teenage kids as well. She said in the interview, two people who are once together are not together, and that's really sad. It's hard for me not to have my person, you know. She also told British Vogue that she had to check herself into a trauma clinic during the divorce and when she was making the album. She said that she created it in December last year as a method to process the events unfolding in her life. She said, I felt confusion, sadness, grief and a sense of helplessness. So she's really really going through it. But there's also one other thing, she said in the interview with Perfect magazine, because now she started to date and stuff. Yeah, she said the dating scene is much harder as a forty year old woman with two teenage children than it is for a thirty four year old woman. Thoughts on that.
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Speaker 1: I didn't put this in our ideas, chattill send it to you, which I normally send you a whole bunch of stuff that I want to talk about. Because when I saw that, I was just so traumatized from it that I just blanked it. I don't have kids, but in a few years I will be in my forties, and the way things are going, I'll probably still be dating then. H And so that just when she was like, it's impossible to date in your forties, that just filled me with such a cold sense of dread that I just couldn't, like, I couldn't deal with it, that I just put it away.
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Speaker 3: I'm hoping to make you feel better, Okay, please do because I feel like the way she's doing these interviews now, it's so telling that she's still really really going through the breakup and the divorce, like she's really going through it. And I feel like any woman who goes through a really hard breaker, they just like look internally and they see everything as being really really hard, which you're allowed to do because everything for you right now is really really hard. I do think when it comes to dating, especially celebrities, they have to be so careful on how they were dating things because dating as a celebrity woman who's so so famous, so so beautiful, is so different to dating as an average person. And I think if she said that quote in a way that was internalized, like me, dating as a forty year old is so different to me dating as a thirty four year old, that's perfect to say. Saying it as a blanket fact, I think is quite harmful because it's just categorically not true.
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Speaker 1: Do you think that?
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Speaker 3: I think dating experiences are so so unique, But you're still in your twenties and I'm still in my twenties. But even for thirty four year olds, reading that, I would feel so so bad because I have friends who are in their mid thirties who are really going through the trenches in dating, and I think reading something like that when you're not even forty would just be so so harmful. I feel like dating now as a thirty four year old is so different to dating as a thirty four year old five years ago. Do you think so things are changing? Like I've recently talked about chatfishing, like that's the whole thing. People are now using AI to send dating message, Like it's changing. People are the way people see and respect each other is different, Like ghosting is still so so common, to the point where people are now publicly saying it's okay to ghost.
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Speaker 1: Are you saying dating's gotten worse? Is that the takeaway from this.
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Speaker 3: I'm saying it's gotten worse, and I'm saying that I think it makes me feel better, But I'm I'm saying like it's hard for everyone. I don't think you can put an age on it, and I don't think you can put a life stage on it. I feel like there are some women I know who are divorced with kids and they're having a great time dating because there also so dating other divorces with kids and it's working out really well for them.
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Speaker 1: I know that's what it's like. From Lily Allen, I was like, I also felt like a little annoyed at her, even though I know she's been through a lot of trauma, which you're about to get to, because I was like, you're a famous, eventionally beautiful woman, and also you're probably dating other people who have left a marriage or have kids, and maybe I'm projecting on her, but I'm also like that puts you in the same life stage as all these people that you're dating. Whereas I think no one kind of talks like the other hard side of it that if you're approaching your forties and you haven't been married, you don't have kids, do people then think there's something wrong with you. You can't have that camaraderie of like, yeah, we'll get our kids together. It's more so like why don't you have that, it's weird that you're still dating, yeah kind of thing.
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Speaker 3: So I know it's even saying that it's not that hard for you because at least you don't have kids, yeah, which I'm like, that's not fair.
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Speaker 1: I know it's a lot for anyone, But I think we just think about like the trauma that Lily Allen's.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like she said that quote in a way of saying it's hard for me, and it just came out as like a blanket statement across dating culture in jail.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because she's spoken a lot of the years about she's had a lot of like really tumultuous relationships, she's been cheated on by partners before, she's been in like her words, like emotionally abusive relationships. When she married her first I think was her first husband, he was kind of like a norm me and everyone's like, oh, she's a wild child performer from like a famous family, and he's this like normal guy and he's gonna save her. And they had those two kids together, Ethelyn Mahni, and they lived in a farmhouse and she was like, I just go out and feed the chickens and that's all I do. And my dream, oh, like Lily Allen. I mean I feel like they'd be a lot of minest so it's not my dream. But everyone's like, Lily Allen has been saved. And then then that relationship broke up. It's like everyone was like waiting for her to meet someone. And then when she and David Harbor started dating, so like actor from Stranger Things and he's in the Marvel Cinematic universe now, people were really rooting for them. So they met on Raya in twenty nineteen and were instantly very much like, wear each other's people on red carpets together, you know, all that sort of stuff. They got married in Las Vegas. Remember that they She had the beautiful little white mini dress on.
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Speaker 3: And the photos so good.
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Speaker 1: The photos are iconic. They got married by an Elvis impersonator, and then they're just eating in and out burgers and fries, like in the street and they're dead on top of the car, happy and like in their little white mini dress and like so happy. And then every time they talked about their relationship it was just like so beautiful and people got so invested when they did that architectural digest spread and their home is like full, like.
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Speaker 3: Oh my god, oh my god, I forgot about that.
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Speaker 1: It's crazy. Maximalis like everyone was like that looks incredible, but like, how would you ever live.
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Speaker 3: It's like a gallery, like an art studio.
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Speaker 1: It's just so over the top. And they were both like Lily was like, this is what I wanted and David was like, yeah, whatever she wants, Like I'm so happy. And then when it came out that they were breaking up, there were all these allegations of cheating rumors. Lily Allen has never confirmed this, but she's also never denied it.
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Speaker 3: In one of her lyrics, it says, you let me believe it was all in my head and not related to those girls in your beds. Yes, like from her new song sleepwalking.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, Okay, that ties into the story that's out there that Again, she has never said it's not true, and it was uncustomed.
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Speaker 3: She neither confirmed nor DENI yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 1: And I wonder if at some point she'll kind of be like, yeah, this story is true. So the story goes that was unneathed by a few gossip sides that Lily Allen started to feel like David was acting a bit strange and a bit distant, and he again kept saying to her like, I No, it's fine, like it's all in your head. And then she decided to log back into the raya app where they had met that they had both said that they had shut down, and.
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Speaker 3: That meant I'm still on the wait list. Yeah, I wanted to uncover David Harber.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, let us seem just to do detective work, right. We promised it won't match with anyone. And then she couldn't see him on there, so she changed her settings and she changed it for I think she changed it from like men to women so she could see the women that were connected to him. I know there's something about it and how ray works. And then she found that he still had an active profile and oh my god, I have to read you what his combio said because people have found this profile. So he had a crim He had changed his picture on Riya to like a cartoon, so I don't think he was like super recognizable.
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Speaker 3: Also, no one could really out him.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And so she found an active profile belonging to him and the buyer on it red Am I going to cringe, Yeah, you're gonna die. No the Buio red closet nerd that plays tough guys on TV. But then she could see he like to get the extra kind of yeah, because he obviously plays.
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Speaker 3: Like it actually feels so uncomfortable.
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Speaker 1: Isn't that awful? But then she saw like women that he was potentially matching with on Raya. Then she went to their Instagram accounts and his Instagram account and he was following them that they were like linked in some ways. So then she also then she uncovered that he had been having affairs for months and months and months. Is how the story goes with multiple women. Ah, the audacity, the absolute audacity of that man. And to do it so publicly, yeah, because then it was such an open thing.
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Speaker 3: Everyone just it's not even a secret affair where he like met like it's a assistant or like someone who worked with it's literally he has a public profile on a dating app.
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Speaker 1: He just like jumped back on the apps while like he was promoting all his Maravel movies.
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Speaker 3: What the heck and.
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Speaker 1: Just hooked up with women.
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Speaker 3: I meant to know how to cheat.
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Speaker 1: I know they because they all cheat. That's what we always hear.
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Speaker 3: We don't know you cheat.
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Speaker 1: I hear that from every publicist I talk to that every single big actor in Hollywood cheat for their wife except rober Daddy Junior. Apparently he's the only one I don't know through so much. I'm not loving it. I'm just loving this is the situation.
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Speaker 4: Sorry, which is like all these Marvel actors.
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Speaker 1: I love how we're like dating's fine, what is she even talking about? Then we're just like, oh yeah, every man. So after that, she talked about the fact that she didn't feel like financially secure, she didn't feel mentally secure, all these things like Lily Allen pretty much then went into a full breakdown. So just think about that when the new season of Stranger Things comes out and album you're watching David Harbour Save the World, Oh.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that comes out on the twenty ninth and November, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Or competing projects the way we love Lily Allen I just I don't know. I know, I'm almost going to say I hope she finds someone, but I also just feel like I just hope that she lives in her beautiful, big Maxima's house with her two lovely daughters and releases all these songs that are wildly successful, and I hope.
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Speaker 3: She sees how excited her like core demographic of fans are for this album, like I am so so excited for tomorrow, like I'm going to be listening to it on repeat. Yes, also because it's going to be such a good album from what she've been saying about it, And I just hope she gets like some sense of like joy out of that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, me too, because she deserves it. Do you want to explain why you just played that song for everyone to listen to with no warning? People just drove.
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Speaker 3: Actually, I actually feel really bad.
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Speaker 1: Do you you wanted to do this segment? I thought it would be too mean.
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Speaker 3: I feel really mean.
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Speaker 1: Now, Yeah you should, guys, you just heard.
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Speaker 3: What you just heard was Apple Martin, the daughter of Gwyne Paltrow and Chris Martin, singing on stage with a band called Jade Street. Okay, when I first listened to this song of her live singing, it sounded way better.
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Speaker 1: Oh, I wonder if you heard an auto change version.
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Speaker 3: Maybe it's because I was also watching her, and I was more like encapsulated by watching her. That did not sound good. Did you think that sounded good? No?
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Speaker 1: But I also think that, like you're saying, her stage presence is good.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's fine. She's not a professional singer.
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Speaker 3: She kind of looked down and.
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Speaker 1: She just like jumped on the mic to join in, right, yeah, yeah, yeah. Unfortunately for her, it has gone viral. And that is the toll of inheriting millions from your family, is that anything you do gets blasted around the world.
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Speaker 3: Well, I originally pitched this story because I was like.
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Speaker 1: You're also having second thoughts now.
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Speaker 3: I was just like, I watched the video. I thought the singing was not as bad as what we just said. I'm so sorry. I thought it was okay.
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Speaker 1: I watched it. I was getting really distressed listening to that.
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Speaker 3: It was more just like I really don't want her to be a thing in my life. Oh like, I really really don't like her as a celebrity.
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Speaker 1: Well, she is about to be a lot.
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Speaker 3: More when she pushed that girl to the ground and said, and you stay there, and then she she got photo.
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Speaker 1: Okay, we have to room. That is the worst rumor you've ever spread. We have to have some fact in here. So she was at a debutant ball where she was a debutante, and the video went viral because she walked. She didn't push a girl on the ground. Emily, that's the worst thing you've ever said. She walked in front of another girl having her photo taken. Kind of shimmy, but she was walking along getting her photo taken. I think she's got in the moment, got overcome in the moment.
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Speaker 3: It was the other girl's turn, and the other girl didn't even get a turn.
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Speaker 1: Hard enough, man.
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Speaker 3: And also we know that other girls also a billionaire.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, that poor billionaire girl. The thing is, it's hard enough, probably making your debut with Apple Martin, because even though those girls all came from like super rich famous families, it's like Apple was there.
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Speaker 3: We wouldn't even be the richest one there on the bottom tiers.
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Speaker 1: She had the most like well known family there from like a pop culture sense, because Chris Martin was there, Gwyneth Paltrow was there and life Dana was there, Yeah, the famous grandmother.
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Speaker 3: So with traue situation, Paly Trinity.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're about to be seeing Apple Martin a lot more because she is starting to do some you know, singing and on the red carpet, potentially some acting, and she's the face of Lose new fashion campaign.
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Speaker 3: Well, I didn't want to go too hard in on her singing also because I feel like if I went hard in honor singing, then I also have to go hard in on Moses. Yeah, who's also a singer. What beef have you got with most allegedly? Well, I think he's actually a good singer. Yeah, so I think he's fine. And I didn't want it to sound like I'm only hating on her without hating on the other nebo babies.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting that all of a sudden, Apple Martin is becoming this big thing.
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Speaker 3: I honestly think if that thing didn't happen at the ball, I'd be so fine with her. Yeah, there's something in me like when you watch and Will. We've talked about it before, and all the debutanes are taking like terms. They've been very respectful of each other, taking terms of their bodos and it was this girl's turn, and Apple Mum just slips and run in front of her and hits these crazy poses and everyone collaps and it was just a mean girl thing to do. And I don't stand for mean girls, I know.
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Speaker 1: And now she's on stage thinking, like literally the third podcast I've had this debates, we'll put it to would just put the video on the Instagram account and the spill Instagram account. People can make their own minds of about it. Out of all the NEPO babies I thought were going to become big superstars, I've got to say Apple Martin was not on my list. Just for so many years she didn't go to any of these big events with her famous family. She was never seen on red carpets. Really, she was always in the background. She finished high school, she went to university. I think she is doing like acting as part of her university degree. But she had like a private Instagram account. She worked at like a clothing store for a really long time. Like you could just go into the clothing store in Apple Martin would like ring up your T shirts. And remember she did an internship but like Interview magazine and stuff, but for a while they had just seen that she would be like a very very low key Neppo baby that she would I was like, is she going to go do like a finance degree or something. And then all of a sudden, it's like halfway through UNI, she decided that she wants this fame that was her birthright.
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Speaker 3: Well maybe for her, but also maybe her.
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Speaker 1: Parents were like, you can't do any of this until you're an adult, Like you're not going to be a child star. And so maybe now that she's like a proper adult, now she's fronting all the big fashion campaigns, and she's going to events, and she's starting to be a singer, and she'll probably be in like she'll definitely be in some movies soon.
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Speaker 3: I don't want that.
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Speaker 1: I think you're gonna have to let this beef go. I'm just like, it's hard because we do we do love to love a Nepo baby like Brooklyn Beckham is like the boy of our hearts forever and ever.
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Speaker 3: At Brooklyn Beckham, she.
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Speaker 1: Hasn't got that level of Child'll just say that I need her to go and try it's on photography. I need her to be unaware of the situation around her. That's I think she's too aware, yeah, or we need her to just be like unhinged like Dakota Johnson, Yes, or like tell wild stories like a Kate Hudson, Like we just need That's all we want from NEPO babies is them to.
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Speaker 3: Have your stick to fine a stick.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And then we can talk about her her stick according to you, as being a beautiful bully. Yes, actually with beautiful bullies. Her mum has been vack him. Gwyneth Paltrow has been back in the headlines again. So on a pod the other day that you were not here for very sadly, we were talking about her new big Vogue cover and she and the journalist and this is the first time she talked about the book Gwyneth Paltrow that was written without her consent by author Amy O'Dell, and she and the journalist are basically laughing about how terrible it was in this Vogue cover story and what a terrible writer Amy was, and how she had missed all the big moments. And then recently on her substack and podcast, Amy O'Dell talked about how surprised she was that Gwyneth had devoted such a huge portion of her Vogue story to talking about Amy, and she basically said she proved her point, but she did all this on it. This is true.
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Speaker 3: She did prove a point.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, she did prove a point. Amy's like everything I wrote about her in the book she proved by the way she acted in that article. But Amy had this conversation on her podcast when she was interviewing Linus carp and Joseph Martin. Do you know those names? No, they are the stars and creators of the play Gwyneth Goes Skiing. Oh yeah, do you remember that?
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Speaker 2: Yes?
00:26:27
Speaker 1: So, oh my god, Gwyneth Goes Skiing needs to come to Australia. I'm so desperate to see it.
00:26:34
Speaker 3: I want to do a really on review of it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, please invite us to the premiere. We're your biggest fans. So that is just remember how that man tried to That man who's not even important tried to sue Gwyneth Paltrow for a skiing accident, and instead of just paying him out and moving on with her life, she went she was like, I'm going to court to counter sue you for a dollar. And she went to court, and the tapes from that court room are still the wildest thing I mosteen lines. Gwyneth comes in like ice cold, dressed beautifully every day.
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Speaker 3: She speaks cream jumper and glasses.
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Speaker 1: All those looks sold out, all her care room looks was selling out, and people started dressing like people started dressing and saying like, I'm Gwynneth Paltrow court room like that's my new style. And the wildest thing about that whole trial that was made public is that halfway through the trial, the man who was suing her, his lawyer like turns for Gwyneth Paltrow. Do remember that.
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Speaker 3: We were watching it live.
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Speaker 1: When I was watching that like soap opera, all of a sudden, she's like chatting away and she's like asking how tall she is, and she says and she's like we're the same high hahh. She's like I really love your shoes, and Gwenna's like thanks. I was like, sorry, water's happening. That man who's just spent his life savings, man's just like his life savings trying to take Gwenneth down. And now even his lawyer is like, I love you, Gwenna. When it just wins people over, Oh.
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Speaker 3: My god, the line I lost a day of skiing. Yes, go down in history.
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Speaker 1: And then and so it was all ruled in Gwenna's favor. Yeah, because I think they did find emails where he had been emailing his daughters that he because he was like, I didn't know what was going to Paltrow. I would sue anyone who hit me. I'm not trying to get money out of her. And I do believe they uncovered emails and he had sent to his children, who I do believe have disowned him.
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Speaker 3: Gwyneth Paltrow hit me.
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Speaker 1: He's like, I met Gwyneth Paltrow. I met Gwyneth Paltrow, and they were like, so you did know it was Gwyneth Paltrow. And there they asked her what she had suffered, because he had He said he'd suffered quite a bit and she had a lot of injury, get a lot of mental strain, which again we're not making light of, but like it just it didn't go in his favor. And then yeah, they asked Gwyneth what she had suffered, and she said, well, I lost a day of skiing. And the worst part of that, and the best part is that when the judge ruled in Gwyneth Paltrow's favor. There's no reaction on her face when you watch the video, there's just nothing. She didn't even stand. She like rises up and she glides floats away. She floats across the courtroom, and then she leans down and whispers in that man's ear, I wish you well, and then she floats out of the courtroom. It's the most chilling thing, like no horror movie has ever compared. And then from that this plague Gwyneth GRoWES skin, which is an adaptation of the whole great idea. So good. The riots and creators teamed up with Amy Odell for a podcast just to discuss Gwyneth, and it's great and they're just like everything she does is like what we've.
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Speaker 3: Said, Yeah, oh my god.
00:29:23
Speaker 1: Crazy.
00:29:24
Speaker 3: So that's where the family's really going through it.
00:29:27
Speaker 1: I may think they're okay. Chris Bums just like just trying to like go through his own breakup. And then he accidentally outs a couple at his concert, which like.
00:29:37
Speaker 3: Can you guys chill out trying to music.
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Speaker 1: He's just trying to be a serious musician, being crazy. But remember that colplay concert couple, the couple that got caught on the Dumbo Tron. They both came out saying that they were absolutely not dating Chris, but it's come out so like her marriage broke up. I think his marriage is already broken up. But it came out that they weren't dating, but they were at the same company. They will do work at the same company, so they both lost their jobs.
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Speaker 3: This has been like huge, A lot of emotions fly when at a concert. Yeah, they just had a bit of a cuddle.
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Speaker 1: I know. Now, Chris Martin, that's what He's forever linked to that, and Gwyneth Paltrow is forever linked to skiing.
00:30:20
Speaker 3: And Apple Martin's forever link to be Bully.
00:30:23
Speaker 1: I know. So it's crazy. I mean, give this family a documentary, yes, and also I want to how.
00:30:28
Speaker 3: About we start our own play about the whole family.
00:30:30
Speaker 1: Okay, who do you want to play?
00:30:32
Speaker 3: Oh? Not Apple, I'll be Moses.
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Speaker 1: Moses. I feel like I've Chris Martin energy. I'm just like you can be the CEO the situation. I know. Look, it's just a crazy amalgamations of events for this very famous family. And in the midst of it all is brad Fulcheck, who is one of Paltrow's husband everyone who read the book, who read the book for her so that she wouldn't have to, And he was the one that said Amy Odell's a bad writer. And when asked about it, Amy O'Dell said, look, it's really hard to sell non fiction books at the moment. People aren't really buying them as much anymore. So as Brad Foulchek is reading my book and she kind of infer that she thinks and I also read it. She's like, if Brad felt Check is reading my books, and I'm just going to call that a win.
00:31:15
Speaker 3: But he's just going to read a book that someone's written about you, you're to read it?
00:31:19
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, well that's why she had her husband do it. I love that she just like ordered him. He's like this big Hollywood producer and she was like, I order you to read this book for me.
00:31:27
Speaker 3: It was like I skimmed it. I'm like, you read every single word and you've memorized it.
00:31:32
Speaker 1: What a time. So anyway, Aahule Martin about to be our next big star.
00:31:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, getting feelings, but well this means we keep talking about her.
00:31:41
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:31:42
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today. Make sure you follow us on socials, We're on TikTok and Instagram, at The Spill Podcast, and we will see you tomorrow at six am for a weekend watch.
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Speaker 1: Bye bye,
Speaker 1: So much.
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Speaker 2: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast.
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Speaker 1: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that this podcast is recorded on from Mama Mia. Welcome to this spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodneck and I'm and then coming up on the show today, well, two topics very close to Emily Vernham's heart. She pitched them. She broke down the door of the studio to get in here and talk about them.
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Speaker 3: Are we going to talk about the moth in the room?
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I wished I had recorded that. So we have a little spooky treat coming up for you guys soon of something. And then I were doing and in our planning me this morning as we were talking about well, I was on the video call and you were in the studio, So two different perspectives of the event. So from my perspective, which heading away about some horror movies, We're having a fun time, and all of a sudden on the camera, I just see you and our producers just jump up from the table and then our producer Manitia just fall to the floor and I thought like a murderer had broken into the room.
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Speaker 3: It was a moth. It was one little moth. It was big. It was a big moth.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, my, what's not going to hurt you?
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Speaker 3: It was just for eight fifty am meeting. It's just not the energy I needed.
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Speaker 1: You all just left the room and I'm on the camera.
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Speaker 3: We fully left the room because we are scared of left LB on screen.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, does someone die? What happened? Imagine if the moth's face just came up right, so scary, like a serial killer movie.
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Speaker 3: And because we were both about to go to a very scary event and we were talking and I was already like in my legs.
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Speaker 1: Scared, You're already ready to be scared, just appears.
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Speaker 3: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I thought I'll produce the Minitia had died. She hit the floor so far?
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Speaker 3: Yeah you didn't.
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Speaker 1: Where is that now? Is it in the room with us in.
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Speaker 3: The meeting room? Firstly, everyone in the office just turned to look at us because we were just screaming and came out and then the moth like flew away and everyone was just like, oh, that was such a waste of our time.
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Speaker 1: You don't know what it was. Do you know which celebrity is deadly? Afraid of morths that she would have absolutely passed away if she was in that room. Nicole Kibben, really, Nicole Kibbenn is petrified of moths, so she brings it up all the time in interviews.
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Speaker 3: Oh it's fair, yeah, because you know when you hit them and they become like buttery.
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Speaker 1: It's like they stay with you forever. Never hit a MOTHA don't wait to get the animal rights activists involved. Sorry, we're getting some emails. So we're coming to you guys today from a traumatized place, is what Emily's trying to say.
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Speaker 3: That's the mood of the day.
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Speaker 1: So keep that trauma in mind. So today go on with Paltrow. That's all I'll just say. Emily has beef. She was messaging me last night with basically, you want to take a hit out in the whole Paltrow Martin family.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll take.
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Speaker 1: Them all down. Yeah, So we're gonna chat about that. Plus, Lily Allen has given any interview leading up to the release of her new album about being single. You've got some thoughts on that, and we have to dive into what happened with her relationship because it is so so very intense. But first, this morning we woke we woke up to a beautiful gift.
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Speaker 3: Ah. Yes, some might call it a gift.
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Speaker 1: Oh, I thought it was a gift. I was so excited I bounced out of bed like it was Christmas morning, which is so fitting because this is the show I saved to watch on Christmas Day.
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Speaker 3: Long time listeners know exactly what you're talking exactly.
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Speaker 1: The new trailer for Emily in Paris for the new season.
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Speaker 2: We start on a beautiful woman. She's joined by a man. It's clear they know each other, unable to keep their hands with each other, eventually cheering backiss.
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Speaker 1: Roll looks so good on you, right. My sister and I always watched Emily and Paris together, and it's a whole thing from how we watched the screeners for the first time, not knowing what the show was, and we were like in lockdown together and it was just the most beautiful night we ever had, and so ever since then we save it to watch together.
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Speaker 3: The fast time I loved my sister.
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Speaker 1: That's the first time we bonded. No, we had way too bonded. We we just spend less time together, and now we save it to watch on Christmas Night together and everyone else has gone to bed. But at the end of last season, fans of Emily in Paris, the real ones, well know that it ended with her because she was moving to Rome for work. We had a bit of a call going into her Insto account and like deleting the Emily in Paris and putting Emily in Rome, and then the screen cut to black, and I was like, what a masterpiece of like a cliffhanger ending.
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Speaker 3: Except yeah, if you've worked in social media, m hm, you know, changing a handle on a verified Instagram account is very hard to bring.
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Speaker 1: That in here.
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Speaker 4: Don't bring that energy in here. I know she could look nothing about it. Even from the trailer they dropped today. I was just like full little logistics mode. I was like, how is she getting from Paris to Rome? That's a two hour flight, So it's.
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Speaker 1: Like, she's in Rome, what do you mean?
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Speaker 3: I think? And it's no, but like all the other characters are also following her to Rome for some reason.
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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, Can I just tell you one of my biggest pet peas, there's a few of them. People are talking movies, people that think loving true crime is a quirky personality trait and people that don't understand Emily in Paris. The plot is so simple at the end of last season, Yeah, the whole like the main players Sylvie Luke are all in Rome.
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Speaker 3: And are they just staying in Rome for them?
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Speaker 1: They're not all saying that. Emily is staying to run the Rome office for Agents Gratto, which is Sylvie's agency that they all work for. And I guess the rest of them are there because they're working on that big campaign for that huge client, Marcello's family, And so I'm thinking that a lot of them will be in Rome setting up the new office and working on the campaign. But the idea is that Emily is the only one who works there permanently.
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Speaker 3: What about that?
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Speaker 1: It is hard to understand.
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Speaker 3: And then where's Mindy?
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Speaker 1: So Mindy remember how she got a job being a judge on Chinese pop Idol and that was the show that she ran away to Paris to escape because she had been on the show as a singer as a contestant and she had hit a really bad note and gone viral. Just remember after her band were kicked out of Eurovision. She went to meet Emily in Rome so they could get the whole gang there, and she went viral for singing her new song Beautiful Ruins in the middle of Rome and.
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Speaker 3: That's all in Rome.
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Speaker 1: Yes, okay, yeah, I don't understand what about that. It's hard to understand.
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Speaker 3: No, it's fine. I just think logistically. But now we have my defensive plane ticket it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, not no, No, they'll be going back and forth.
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Speaker 3: You know how like Rome to Paris is a two hour flight, which is like the same amount of time it is from Sydney to Adelaide. Yeah, and yet we're in the same country.
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Speaker 1: No, we really don't have a good here.
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Speaker 3: No.
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Speaker 1: I know, like I want to travel.
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Speaker 3: I want to go to Rome, and I wanted to take a two hour flight.
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Speaker 1: I know. That's the beauty of being Europe, isn't it That everywhere is just so cleol.
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Speaker 3: It just makes me really sad.
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Speaker 1: We have other things going on for us here, that's true.
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Speaker 3: Adelaide's nice, Yeah it is.
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Speaker 1: You're doing tourism and Adelaide in the middle of us in the spots for Yeah, send us to Adelaide, send us to Rome and then we'll come back to Adelaide and comparing controls.
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Speaker 3: I am really excited for this next season. Yes, with the Italian fashion. Yeah, I think it's going to be so so good, and also have a huge crash on her love interest.
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Speaker 1: Oh much, Oh my god, he's so yeah that is. Can I just say I obviously I watched Emily in Paris over and over and over again La Loup, but after I watched on Christmas Day, but the Italian episodes from the end of last season, I watch those like, oh my god, this.
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Speaker 3: So beautiful, so beautiful. Really, I actually am excited.
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Speaker 1: And also this time around, So is Alfie going to be in there?
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Speaker 2: Yes?
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Speaker 1: Okay, here's the thing, So Camille's Camille's not in this season, which I guess it's okay. She's gone to adopt a baby cute. Emily is involved in like a love quadrant quadrant yes, because she and Marcello after having that bump about him thinking that she was just trying to get to him for his family business, and now she's moved to Rome and they're going to be together. But also Gabrielle, that old stick in the mind. Would she get out of here? Is he's still in Paris, he was traveling to he was going to go to Rome to get win Emily back.
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Speaker 3: So they are getting all this money.
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Speaker 1: He wants her back. Now, what's a too hour flight? I'm sure you can get. You can get like super cheap tickets. It's fine. And then Alfie is back in the mix.
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Speaker 3: This season immigration getting all these people and I'm explaining why they're there. Who's this Emily girl?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and everyone's just come for her exactly. Well, Emily has a proper European working visa now, at least to work in France, so she could for anyone.
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Speaker 3: Who's government's like, I got you your v'sa and you're not even here.
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, well she's She's an asset to France, is what they ascertained to chaos. So yeah, so will it be Marcello? Will it be ALFI, will it be Gabrielle. That's this season set up. Who do you want it to be? Michello?
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Speaker 3: No, I want Marchello?
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Speaker 1: Oh you want to date Marcello?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I want her to be with Alfie that's my thought.
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Speaker 3: I love him. So at least they have any like Lewis Hamilton, who I really Yeah? That boat's so good looking.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god. Well the new season Elli in Paris is just I'll never be like a proper TV critic because of this conversation. The new season Emily in Paris is coming to Netflix December eighteen. I of course I'll be watching it to the twenty fifth, so we'll still do some content.
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Speaker 3: Okay, it's all right. So Lily Allen is coming out with a brand new album tomorrow.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know.
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Speaker 3: And I feel like every millennial and gen Z girl have been seeing it everywhere, but mainly because she's been doing a lot of press for it.
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Speaker 1: And also, Lily Allen was such an important part of like our teenage year and maybe you're a young like your primary school years, teenage years, UNI years, and I've seen so many elder millennials just posting like the promo for her new album saying this is my life of a showgirl. Me. I'm that excited.
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Speaker 3: And I remember, like even when Game of Thrones happened, and I'm so excited because Lily Allen's brother was and he.
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Speaker 1: Said to her, can you stop giving me interviews about me being on the show, And I was like, let us speak.
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Speaker 3: Let us speak. Yeah, really, Ahunt deserves it. So she recently did an interview with Perfect magazine and in the interview, she's talking about the album and she's really not holding back any details on what this album is about. She was talking about her separation with David Harbor. We know that they were married for a bit. They dated for a very very long time. She's forty, he's fifty, and she has like two teenage kids as well. She said in the interview, two people who are once together are not together, and that's really sad. It's hard for me not to have my person, you know. She also told British Vogue that she had to check herself into a trauma clinic during the divorce and when she was making the album. She said that she created it in December last year as a method to process the events unfolding in her life. She said, I felt confusion, sadness, grief and a sense of helplessness. So she's really really going through it. But there's also one other thing, she said in the interview with Perfect magazine, because now she started to date and stuff. Yeah, she said the dating scene is much harder as a forty year old woman with two teenage children than it is for a thirty four year old woman. Thoughts on that.
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Speaker 1: I didn't put this in our ideas, chattill send it to you, which I normally send you a whole bunch of stuff that I want to talk about. Because when I saw that, I was just so traumatized from it that I just blanked it. I don't have kids, but in a few years I will be in my forties, and the way things are going, I'll probably still be dating then. H And so that just when she was like, it's impossible to date in your forties, that just filled me with such a cold sense of dread that I just couldn't, like, I couldn't deal with it, that I just put it away.
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Speaker 3: I'm hoping to make you feel better, Okay, please do because I feel like the way she's doing these interviews now, it's so telling that she's still really really going through the breakup and the divorce, like she's really going through it. And I feel like any woman who goes through a really hard breaker, they just like look internally and they see everything as being really really hard, which you're allowed to do because everything for you right now is really really hard. I do think when it comes to dating, especially celebrities, they have to be so careful on how they were dating things because dating as a celebrity woman who's so so famous, so so beautiful, is so different to dating as an average person. And I think if she said that quote in a way that was internalized, like me, dating as a forty year old is so different to me dating as a thirty four year old, that's perfect to say. Saying it as a blanket fact, I think is quite harmful because it's just categorically not true.
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Speaker 1: Do you think that?
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Speaker 3: I think dating experiences are so so unique, But you're still in your twenties and I'm still in my twenties. But even for thirty four year olds, reading that, I would feel so so bad because I have friends who are in their mid thirties who are really going through the trenches in dating, and I think reading something like that when you're not even forty would just be so so harmful. I feel like dating now as a thirty four year old is so different to dating as a thirty four year old five years ago. Do you think so things are changing? Like I've recently talked about chatfishing, like that's the whole thing. People are now using AI to send dating message, Like it's changing. People are the way people see and respect each other is different, Like ghosting is still so so common, to the point where people are now publicly saying it's okay to ghost.
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Speaker 1: Are you saying dating's gotten worse? Is that the takeaway from this.
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Speaker 3: I'm saying it's gotten worse, and I'm saying that I think it makes me feel better, But I'm I'm saying like it's hard for everyone. I don't think you can put an age on it, and I don't think you can put a life stage on it. I feel like there are some women I know who are divorced with kids and they're having a great time dating because there also so dating other divorces with kids and it's working out really well for them.
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Speaker 1: I know that's what it's like. From Lily Allen, I was like, I also felt like a little annoyed at her, even though I know she's been through a lot of trauma, which you're about to get to, because I was like, you're a famous, eventionally beautiful woman, and also you're probably dating other people who have left a marriage or have kids, and maybe I'm projecting on her, but I'm also like that puts you in the same life stage as all these people that you're dating. Whereas I think no one kind of talks like the other hard side of it that if you're approaching your forties and you haven't been married, you don't have kids, do people then think there's something wrong with you. You can't have that camaraderie of like, yeah, we'll get our kids together. It's more so like why don't you have that, it's weird that you're still dating, yeah kind of thing.
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Speaker 3: So I know it's even saying that it's not that hard for you because at least you don't have kids, yeah, which I'm like, that's not fair.
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Speaker 1: I know it's a lot for anyone, But I think we just think about like the trauma that Lily Allen's.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like she said that quote in a way of saying it's hard for me, and it just came out as like a blanket statement across dating culture in jail.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because she's spoken a lot of the years about she's had a lot of like really tumultuous relationships, she's been cheated on by partners before, she's been in like her words, like emotionally abusive relationships. When she married her first I think was her first husband, he was kind of like a norm me and everyone's like, oh, she's a wild child performer from like a famous family, and he's this like normal guy and he's gonna save her. And they had those two kids together, Ethelyn Mahni, and they lived in a farmhouse and she was like, I just go out and feed the chickens and that's all I do. And my dream, oh, like Lily Allen. I mean I feel like they'd be a lot of minest so it's not my dream. But everyone's like, Lily Allen has been saved. And then then that relationship broke up. It's like everyone was like waiting for her to meet someone. And then when she and David Harbor started dating, so like actor from Stranger Things and he's in the Marvel Cinematic universe now, people were really rooting for them. So they met on Raya in twenty nineteen and were instantly very much like, wear each other's people on red carpets together, you know, all that sort of stuff. They got married in Las Vegas. Remember that they She had the beautiful little white mini dress on.
00:15:09
Speaker 3: And the photos so good.
00:15:11
Speaker 1: The photos are iconic. They got married by an Elvis impersonator, and then they're just eating in and out burgers and fries, like in the street and they're dead on top of the car, happy and like in their little white mini dress and like so happy. And then every time they talked about their relationship it was just like so beautiful and people got so invested when they did that architectural digest spread and their home is like full, like.
00:15:32
Speaker 3: Oh my god, oh my god, I forgot about that.
00:15:35
Speaker 1: It's crazy. Maximalis like everyone was like that looks incredible, but like, how would you ever live.
00:15:39
Speaker 3: It's like a gallery, like an art studio.
00:15:42
Speaker 1: It's just so over the top. And they were both like Lily was like, this is what I wanted and David was like, yeah, whatever she wants, Like I'm so happy. And then when it came out that they were breaking up, there were all these allegations of cheating rumors. Lily Allen has never confirmed this, but she's also never denied it.
00:15:57
Speaker 3: In one of her lyrics, it says, you let me believe it was all in my head and not related to those girls in your beds. Yes, like from her new song sleepwalking.
00:16:07
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Okay, that ties into the story that's out there that Again, she has never said it's not true, and it was uncustomed.
00:16:13
Speaker 3: She neither confirmed nor DENI yeah, exactly.
00:16:15
Speaker 1: And I wonder if at some point she'll kind of be like, yeah, this story is true. So the story goes that was unneathed by a few gossip sides that Lily Allen started to feel like David was acting a bit strange and a bit distant, and he again kept saying to her like, I No, it's fine, like it's all in your head. And then she decided to log back into the raya app where they had met that they had both said that they had shut down, and.
00:16:36
Speaker 3: That meant I'm still on the wait list. Yeah, I wanted to uncover David Harber.
00:16:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, let us seem just to do detective work, right. We promised it won't match with anyone. And then she couldn't see him on there, so she changed her settings and she changed it for I think she changed it from like men to women so she could see the women that were connected to him. I know there's something about it and how ray works. And then she found that he still had an active profile and oh my god, I have to read you what his combio said because people have found this profile. So he had a crim He had changed his picture on Riya to like a cartoon, so I don't think he was like super recognizable.
00:17:13
Speaker 3: Also, no one could really out him.
00:17:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so she found an active profile belonging to him and the buyer on it red Am I going to cringe, Yeah, you're gonna die. No the Buio red closet nerd that plays tough guys on TV. But then she could see he like to get the extra kind of yeah, because he obviously plays.
00:17:33
Speaker 3: Like it actually feels so uncomfortable.
00:17:34
Speaker 1: Isn't that awful? But then she saw like women that he was potentially matching with on Raya. Then she went to their Instagram accounts and his Instagram account and he was following them that they were like linked in some ways. So then she also then she uncovered that he had been having affairs for months and months and months. Is how the story goes with multiple women. Ah, the audacity, the absolute audacity of that man. And to do it so publicly, yeah, because then it was such an open thing.
00:17:58
Speaker 3: Everyone just it's not even a secret affair where he like met like it's a assistant or like someone who worked with it's literally he has a public profile on a dating app.
00:18:06
Speaker 1: He just like jumped back on the apps while like he was promoting all his Maravel movies.
00:18:11
Speaker 3: What the heck and.
00:18:12
Speaker 1: Just hooked up with women.
00:18:13
Speaker 3: I meant to know how to cheat.
00:18:15
Speaker 1: I know they because they all cheat. That's what we always hear.
00:18:18
Speaker 3: We don't know you cheat.
00:18:19
Speaker 1: I hear that from every publicist I talk to that every single big actor in Hollywood cheat for their wife except rober Daddy Junior. Apparently he's the only one I don't know through so much. I'm not loving it. I'm just loving this is the situation.
00:18:29
Speaker 4: Sorry, which is like all these Marvel actors.
00:18:36
Speaker 1: I love how we're like dating's fine, what is she even talking about? Then we're just like, oh yeah, every man. So after that, she talked about the fact that she didn't feel like financially secure, she didn't feel mentally secure, all these things like Lily Allen pretty much then went into a full breakdown. So just think about that when the new season of Stranger Things comes out and album you're watching David Harbour Save the World, Oh.
00:19:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, that comes out on the twenty ninth and November, yeah.
00:19:03
Speaker 1: Or competing projects the way we love Lily Allen I just I don't know. I know, I'm almost going to say I hope she finds someone, but I also just feel like I just hope that she lives in her beautiful, big Maxima's house with her two lovely daughters and releases all these songs that are wildly successful, and I hope.
00:19:20
Speaker 3: She sees how excited her like core demographic of fans are for this album, like I am so so excited for tomorrow, like I'm going to be listening to it on repeat. Yes, also because it's going to be such a good album from what she've been saying about it, And I just hope she gets like some sense of like joy out of that.
00:19:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too, because she deserves it. Do you want to explain why you just played that song for everyone to listen to with no warning? People just drove.
00:19:58
Speaker 3: Actually, I actually feel really bad.
00:20:00
Speaker 1: Do you you wanted to do this segment? I thought it would be too mean.
00:20:04
Speaker 3: I feel really mean.
00:20:05
Speaker 1: Now, Yeah you should, guys, you just heard.
00:20:09
Speaker 3: What you just heard was Apple Martin, the daughter of Gwyne Paltrow and Chris Martin, singing on stage with a band called Jade Street. Okay, when I first listened to this song of her live singing, it sounded way better.
00:20:23
Speaker 1: Oh, I wonder if you heard an auto change version.
00:20:25
Speaker 3: Maybe it's because I was also watching her, and I was more like encapsulated by watching her. That did not sound good. Did you think that sounded good? No?
00:20:33
Speaker 1: But I also think that, like you're saying, her stage presence is good.
00:20:37
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think.
00:20:38
Speaker 1: I mean, it's fine. She's not a professional singer.
00:20:40
Speaker 3: She kind of looked down and.
00:20:41
Speaker 1: She just like jumped on the mic to join in, right, yeah, yeah, yeah. Unfortunately for her, it has gone viral. And that is the toll of inheriting millions from your family, is that anything you do gets blasted around the world.
00:20:52
Speaker 3: Well, I originally pitched this story because I was like.
00:20:55
Speaker 1: You're also having second thoughts now.
00:20:57
Speaker 3: I was just like, I watched the video. I thought the singing was not as bad as what we just said. I'm so sorry. I thought it was okay.
00:21:03
Speaker 1: I watched it. I was getting really distressed listening to that.
00:21:06
Speaker 3: It was more just like I really don't want her to be a thing in my life. Oh like, I really really don't like her as a celebrity.
00:21:15
Speaker 1: Well, she is about to be a lot.
00:21:17
Speaker 3: More when she pushed that girl to the ground and said, and you stay there, and then she she got photo.
00:21:25
Speaker 1: Okay, we have to room. That is the worst rumor you've ever spread. We have to have some fact in here. So she was at a debutant ball where she was a debutante, and the video went viral because she walked. She didn't push a girl on the ground. Emily, that's the worst thing you've ever said. She walked in front of another girl having her photo taken. Kind of shimmy, but she was walking along getting her photo taken. I think she's got in the moment, got overcome in the moment.
00:21:51
Speaker 3: It was the other girl's turn, and the other girl didn't even get a turn.
00:21:54
Speaker 1: Hard enough, man.
00:21:54
Speaker 3: And also we know that other girls also a billionaire.
00:21:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, that poor billionaire girl. The thing is, it's hard enough, probably making your debut with Apple Martin, because even though those girls all came from like super rich famous families, it's like Apple was there.
00:22:07
Speaker 3: We wouldn't even be the richest one there on the bottom tiers.
00:22:10
Speaker 1: She had the most like well known family there from like a pop culture sense, because Chris Martin was there, Gwyneth Paltrow was there and life Dana was there, Yeah, the famous grandmother.
00:22:19
Speaker 3: So with traue situation, Paly Trinity.
00:22:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're about to be seeing Apple Martin a lot more because she is starting to do some you know, singing and on the red carpet, potentially some acting, and she's the face of Lose new fashion campaign.
00:22:32
Speaker 3: Well, I didn't want to go too hard in on her singing also because I feel like if I went hard in honor singing, then I also have to go hard in on Moses. Yeah, who's also a singer. What beef have you got with most allegedly? Well, I think he's actually a good singer. Yeah, so I think he's fine. And I didn't want it to sound like I'm only hating on her without hating on the other nebo babies.
00:22:50
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting that all of a sudden, Apple Martin is becoming this big thing.
00:22:54
Speaker 3: I honestly think if that thing didn't happen at the ball, I'd be so fine with her. Yeah, there's something in me like when you watch and Will. We've talked about it before, and all the debutanes are taking like terms. They've been very respectful of each other, taking terms of their bodos and it was this girl's turn, and Apple Mum just slips and run in front of her and hits these crazy poses and everyone collaps and it was just a mean girl thing to do. And I don't stand for mean girls, I know.
00:23:24
Speaker 1: And now she's on stage thinking, like literally the third podcast I've had this debates, we'll put it to would just put the video on the Instagram account and the spill Instagram account. People can make their own minds of about it. Out of all the NEPO babies I thought were going to become big superstars, I've got to say Apple Martin was not on my list. Just for so many years she didn't go to any of these big events with her famous family. She was never seen on red carpets. Really, she was always in the background. She finished high school, she went to university. I think she is doing like acting as part of her university degree. But she had like a private Instagram account. She worked at like a clothing store for a really long time. Like you could just go into the clothing store in Apple Martin would like ring up your T shirts. And remember she did an internship but like Interview magazine and stuff, but for a while they had just seen that she would be like a very very low key Neppo baby that she would I was like, is she going to go do like a finance degree or something. And then all of a sudden, it's like halfway through UNI, she decided that she wants this fame that was her birthright.
00:24:19
Speaker 3: Well maybe for her, but also maybe her.
00:24:21
Speaker 1: Parents were like, you can't do any of this until you're an adult, Like you're not going to be a child star. And so maybe now that she's like a proper adult, now she's fronting all the big fashion campaigns, and she's going to events, and she's starting to be a singer, and she'll probably be in like she'll definitely be in some movies soon.
00:24:40
Speaker 3: I don't want that.
00:24:40
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna have to let this beef go. I'm just like, it's hard because we do we do love to love a Nepo baby like Brooklyn Beckham is like the boy of our hearts forever and ever.
00:24:48
Speaker 3: At Brooklyn Beckham, she.
00:24:50
Speaker 1: Hasn't got that level of Child'll just say that I need her to go and try it's on photography. I need her to be unaware of the situation around her. That's I think she's too aware, yeah, or we need her to just be like unhinged like Dakota Johnson, Yes, or like tell wild stories like a Kate Hudson, Like we just need That's all we want from NEPO babies is them to.
00:25:09
Speaker 3: Have your stick to fine a stick.
00:25:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then we can talk about her her stick according to you, as being a beautiful bully. Yes, actually with beautiful bullies. Her mum has been vack him. Gwyneth Paltrow has been back in the headlines again. So on a pod the other day that you were not here for very sadly, we were talking about her new big Vogue cover and she and the journalist and this is the first time she talked about the book Gwyneth Paltrow that was written without her consent by author Amy O'Dell, and she and the journalist are basically laughing about how terrible it was in this Vogue cover story and what a terrible writer Amy was, and how she had missed all the big moments. And then recently on her substack and podcast, Amy O'Dell talked about how surprised she was that Gwyneth had devoted such a huge portion of her Vogue story to talking about Amy, and she basically said she proved her point, but she did all this on it. This is true.
00:26:04
Speaker 3: She did prove a point.
00:26:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, she did prove a point. Amy's like everything I wrote about her in the book she proved by the way she acted in that article. But Amy had this conversation on her podcast when she was interviewing Linus carp and Joseph Martin. Do you know those names? No, they are the stars and creators of the play Gwyneth Goes Skiing. Oh yeah, do you remember that?
00:26:26
Speaker 2: Yes?
00:26:27
Speaker 1: So, oh my god, Gwyneth Goes Skiing needs to come to Australia. I'm so desperate to see it.
00:26:34
Speaker 3: I want to do a really on review of it.
00:26:35
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, please invite us to the premiere. We're your biggest fans. So that is just remember how that man tried to That man who's not even important tried to sue Gwyneth Paltrow for a skiing accident, and instead of just paying him out and moving on with her life, she went she was like, I'm going to court to counter sue you for a dollar. And she went to court, and the tapes from that court room are still the wildest thing I mosteen lines. Gwyneth comes in like ice cold, dressed beautifully every day.
00:27:04
Speaker 3: She speaks cream jumper and glasses.
00:27:08
Speaker 1: All those looks sold out, all her care room looks was selling out, and people started dressing like people started dressing and saying like, I'm Gwynneth Paltrow court room like that's my new style. And the wildest thing about that whole trial that was made public is that halfway through the trial, the man who was suing her, his lawyer like turns for Gwyneth Paltrow. Do remember that.
00:27:30
Speaker 3: We were watching it live.
00:27:33
Speaker 1: When I was watching that like soap opera, all of a sudden, she's like chatting away and she's like asking how tall she is, and she says and she's like we're the same high hahh. She's like I really love your shoes, and Gwenna's like thanks. I was like, sorry, water's happening. That man who's just spent his life savings, man's just like his life savings trying to take Gwenneth down. And now even his lawyer is like, I love you, Gwenna. When it just wins people over, Oh.
00:27:57
Speaker 3: My god, the line I lost a day of skiing. Yes, go down in history.
00:28:02
Speaker 1: And then and so it was all ruled in Gwenna's favor. Yeah, because I think they did find emails where he had been emailing his daughters that he because he was like, I didn't know what was going to Paltrow. I would sue anyone who hit me. I'm not trying to get money out of her. And I do believe they uncovered emails and he had sent to his children, who I do believe have disowned him.
00:28:18
Speaker 3: Gwyneth Paltrow hit me.
00:28:19
Speaker 1: He's like, I met Gwyneth Paltrow. I met Gwyneth Paltrow, and they were like, so you did know it was Gwyneth Paltrow. And there they asked her what she had suffered, because he had He said he'd suffered quite a bit and she had a lot of injury, get a lot of mental strain, which again we're not making light of, but like it just it didn't go in his favor. And then yeah, they asked Gwyneth what she had suffered, and she said, well, I lost a day of skiing. And the worst part of that, and the best part is that when the judge ruled in Gwyneth Paltrow's favor. There's no reaction on her face when you watch the video, there's just nothing. She didn't even stand. She like rises up and she glides floats away. She floats across the courtroom, and then she leans down and whispers in that man's ear, I wish you well, and then she floats out of the courtroom. It's the most chilling thing, like no horror movie has ever compared. And then from that this plague Gwyneth GRoWES skin, which is an adaptation of the whole great idea. So good. The riots and creators teamed up with Amy Odell for a podcast just to discuss Gwyneth, and it's great and they're just like everything she does is like what we've.
00:29:21
Speaker 3: Said, Yeah, oh my god.
00:29:23
Speaker 1: Crazy.
00:29:24
Speaker 3: So that's where the family's really going through it.
00:29:27
Speaker 1: I may think they're okay. Chris Bums just like just trying to like go through his own breakup. And then he accidentally outs a couple at his concert, which like.
00:29:37
Speaker 3: Can you guys chill out trying to music.
00:29:39
Speaker 1: He's just trying to be a serious musician, being crazy. But remember that colplay concert couple, the couple that got caught on the Dumbo Tron. They both came out saying that they were absolutely not dating Chris, but it's come out so like her marriage broke up. I think his marriage is already broken up. But it came out that they weren't dating, but they were at the same company. They will do work at the same company, so they both lost their jobs.
00:30:07
Speaker 3: This has been like huge, A lot of emotions fly when at a concert. Yeah, they just had a bit of a cuddle.
00:30:14
Speaker 1: I know. Now, Chris Martin, that's what He's forever linked to that, and Gwyneth Paltrow is forever linked to skiing.
00:30:20
Speaker 3: And Apple Martin's forever link to be Bully.
00:30:23
Speaker 1: I know. So it's crazy. I mean, give this family a documentary, yes, and also I want to how.
00:30:28
Speaker 3: About we start our own play about the whole family.
00:30:30
Speaker 1: Okay, who do you want to play?
00:30:32
Speaker 3: Oh? Not Apple, I'll be Moses.
00:30:34
Speaker 1: Moses. I feel like I've Chris Martin energy. I'm just like you can be the CEO the situation. I know. Look, it's just a crazy amalgamations of events for this very famous family. And in the midst of it all is brad Fulcheck, who is one of Paltrow's husband everyone who read the book, who read the book for her so that she wouldn't have to, And he was the one that said Amy Odell's a bad writer. And when asked about it, Amy O'Dell said, look, it's really hard to sell non fiction books at the moment. People aren't really buying them as much anymore. So as Brad Foulchek is reading my book and she kind of infer that she thinks and I also read it. She's like, if Brad felt Check is reading my books, and I'm just going to call that a win.
00:31:15
Speaker 3: But he's just going to read a book that someone's written about you, you're to read it?
00:31:19
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, well that's why she had her husband do it. I love that she just like ordered him. He's like this big Hollywood producer and she was like, I order you to read this book for me.
00:31:27
Speaker 3: It was like I skimmed it. I'm like, you read every single word and you've memorized it.
00:31:32
Speaker 1: What a time. So anyway, Aahule Martin about to be our next big star.
00:31:36
Speaker 3: Yeah, getting feelings, but well this means we keep talking about her.
00:31:41
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:31:42
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for listening to the Spill today. Make sure you follow us on socials, We're on TikTok and Instagram, at The Spill Podcast, and we will see you tomorrow at six am for a weekend watch.
00:31:52
Speaker 1: Bye bye,
