Michael Ross Podcast Episode 1

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Welcome to The Right Boss Podcast, the show where the
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spotlight goes beyond fame and success. We sit down with
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icon celebrities, rise and talents, and business leaders from across.
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The globe to uncover the story you don't usually hear.
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This isn't just about careers or achieves. It's about the
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personal journey, the struggles, the lessons, and the moments that
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shaped who they are today.
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This is the Right Pass Podcast.
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Hey Michael, it's an opposure to have you with us.
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How are you.
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I'm really really good. Thank you and a pleasure to
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be with you. Wayne. Thank you so much for inviting
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me on. Appreciate it.
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No, that's that's absolutely great. How's your day you have
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been so far?
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It's been okay.
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Actually I met one of the cast who I had
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met in person for the thing that I'm doing, which
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we'll maybe talk about later on. He came up to
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do some filming for a fight scene for a film, Mender.
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I had met him, so we came up. I met
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him online and by by a test that he did
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for me. But it was nice to meeting my person,
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so and then another nice person who's on the team.
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So it was really good. Good fun.
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It's always amazing when you meet someone online, you know,
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within the connection industry.
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Yeah, it is, Yeah, you can never you know, it's
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a it's a big industry, but it's a small industry
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as well, so you know somebody from somebody, you know
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people who know people. It's it's it's quite interesting. But
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he's joined the cast later on and he's from Teesside
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so he's got this amazing accent and all the other
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characters all London based and London accent, so it's going
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to really really add to the projects.
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I'm really excited about.
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Oh nice, that's good. Is he is?
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He got a name or his name is Gary Bell,
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Gary with two r's, and he's actually a world champion kickboxer,
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stunt fighter and he's just started a big film with
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Scott Adkins. So this is the thing he's doing with
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us is really his probably first acting role if you
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want to call it like that.
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Yeah, fantastic, lovely chat have you because obviously, as we're
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talking about connections, do you have you connected with anyone
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called Richard Barnett yet? Yes?
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He was Yeah, I went to his networking event and
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I was like, I felt I felt like a fish.
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Out of water, talk pasta syndrome. He was really lovely,
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and I met some great people, somebody who helped me
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learn something about business I didn't know, you know, an
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actor now a screen writer. And I've also met the
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lady who can be playing one of our characters in
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the teaser that we're filming. And if I hadn't been
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to that, I wouldn't have met her. So it was
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it was a really good day. Yeah, support house in
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the harborture.
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Isn't it? Oh fantastic. Who's who's the lady? Is it?
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He goes, He does go on about a lady called
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Maria Soccer. I don't know whether it's the same one.
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Oh no, no, no, this is an actress.
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Test screen, Okay, test screen? Yeah yeah, yeah, I've I
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spoke to tests.
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Yeah.
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It's weird, isn't it? Because we were saying that it's
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a big industry, but it's it's a small It kind
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of is a small circle, isn't it, But a massive industry.
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It's it's the old saying, is be careful to that
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people on the way up?
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That's yeah.
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Yeah, she's lovely as well. Yeah yeah, excited.
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No, that's that's brilliant and I'm glad that you've obviously
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connected to Richard's He's the reason why we we are
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here now doing this interview because originally yeah, yeah, because
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you know, before we do get into it. So I
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think he deserves this little bit of gratitude because absolutely, see,
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the thing is that we during lockdown. It was the
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time where everybody was using the computer, and that was
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a time when people started connecting. And he came along
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and he literally turned our podcast from just interviewing authors
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to like interviewing you know, big stars, celebrities in the industry,
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and we're like, wow, you know, we never thought we'd
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sit here with an award winning you know, silver disk
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and it is beautiful, and it's just we haven't met
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him yet, and we need to meet him.
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Yeah, he is such a nice guy. I know, I
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felt really odd when I'm mixed. I hadn't met him.
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I'd only spoken to him on online on LinkedIn. Yes,
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he found me and he saw what I was doing
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I wanted to do with this new project, and he
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said you on LinkedIn.
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I said, I probably was on there years ago. He
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used it.
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He's just for business connections and jobs, normal jobs day
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jobs as I put it, and he said, no, you
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need to get on the connect with people because there's
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so many people out there who are within the industry,
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but everybody's got connections as it is. And yeah, it
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was invaluable. So my connections are nearly on two thousand,
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and it was only like four hundred. I think when
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I started with him.
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He's a whiz, isn't it. Honestly? You see. The thing
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is that he does message me like quite a lot
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every day saying, oh, you need to connect connect.
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Yeah.
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It can sometimes be overwhelming, but he's got good intentions.
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Yeah no, yeah has he really has. He's got a
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really good heart and he's doing it for a long time.
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I always think, yeah, So I always think that what
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does he get out of it? Bless him.
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I just think he enjoys people moving on in their
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lives or their careers because it's all about connecting with
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other people whatever whatever it is, looking for a specific
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job or or something. And I wouldn't have met the
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people I've met, you know, unless I've gone on there
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and done that with him exactly. But I've talked to
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somebody else who you know, fingers cross. He might come
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on as an executive producer and Ny through Richard he
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may not. He's reading the script now, so yes, figures crossed.
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Absolutely. Well, you know, anyway, let's let's you know, get
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into it. So I've been looking into your journey and
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what really stood out to me was that you graduated
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from dramas school at the age of forty one, which
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is something many people would see as taking the road
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at less traveled.
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As you say, absolutely, I think it took a long
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time to find myself. You know, I grew up not
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having a lot of confidence. I grew up in on
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what I was born in Kent, but I grew up
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in a South London council estate. But I never really
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believed in myself. I never did, and we moved to
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Kent again when I was twelve, made me and my
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family and the school I went to I didn't like,
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gave up, I didn't like, you know, I lost all
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my friends from the from the South London days, and
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so I just I didn't I didn't focus and I
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sort of just drifted along. But I think this has
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always been inside me. I think it's always been there
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and it just took something to get it out of myself.
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You know, just to make me believe that I was
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doing something, not just you know, nine to five job,
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not there's anything wrong with that, but there was something
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there was There's always been something else, you know, I did.
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I did stuff at school when I was youngster, and
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you know, in Oliver and other little productions. And then
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the year we moved to back to Kent, I just
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got cast in a like a musical parody thing and
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it was Murray Lloyd and I can't play the chap's name.
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That's is really bad, embarrassing, but it was the old
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time musical stuff. As I just got cast in that
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to play the lead role male and then my parents
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said we're moving, We're moving out.
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I was like, no please. So I went on the.
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Ski holiday with friends and that from school, came back
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and like two days later we were in Kent. So
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I had to give up that that role. So maybe
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things sort have changed and been differently. Maybe I would
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have taken the an acting career earlier, but I didn't.
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I just was I was like twelve when you moved there,
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thirteen and you're going through you know, you changed, don't
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you as a youngster journey. So it did quite happen then,
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So yeah, unfortunately.
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And when we go on about you know, the nine
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to five, you know, you see the thing is the
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way I see it as well, that you should never
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be afraid to want to bet yourself and to do
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what you want to do. Yeah, you know, you know,
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if you've got the ability and if you've got the
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dream and passion to do it, do it. Indeed. Yeah,
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that's what I encourage people to do. If you've got
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a dream, do it, you don't stop.
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Do it absolutely, and any age, any age, you know,
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I would have what sort of kickstarted the thing about
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wanting to be an actor professionally or seriously was I
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did a summer season in willok and North Devon and
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I was what thirty seven. I think all the rest
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of the entertainments team were like young girls in the
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early twenties and a young guy who was in his twenties.
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So I was like the old boy of the crowd.
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But we just clicked as well. So I did nine
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months of that. I didn't tell my partner I'd got
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the job because I thought, no, I'm not going to
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be able to go away for nine months.
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That's going to destroy our relationship. In their life.
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But we were you know, we were living together for
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about four years when when I got that. But I
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just because I saw an advert in the Stage magazine
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you know, the paper when it used to be a paper,
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not online and everything, and I just something maybe get
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applied for it, auditioned, and surprise prise myself, I got it.
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So yeah, no, So that was that.
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That was the big I think, the big change where
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I thought, you know, there is something else out there
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for me, and I'm going to try it, you know.
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And even at that age, you know, I didn't think
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I was old, but I was coming up for forty
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in a couple of years, and that sort of is
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quite old. It's not now, and now I'm now I'm
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sixty three.
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It's not.
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But well my birthday is in October, so you're making
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it feel a little old now. Before i'd be forty
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in October.
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Oh god, youngster.
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Yeah.
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And we can't go back, we can't. You can't go
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back in time, you know, you can only go forward.
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So that's what that's what I say, is that you know,
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if you've got a dream, do it, do it.
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You never to You're never too young, you're never too
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old either.
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Absolutely I'll be honest with you, there was times where
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I hated doing podcasts. I'll be honest with you, you know,
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there was times where I wanted to give up, quit,
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forget it, and never do it again. But something lit,
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something lit inside me saying it takes people, you know,
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coming on the show and then and then messaging me
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and tell me how they feel about it. And that
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really fueled me and made me think, you know what,
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there is a purpose. You know, they're they're coming on
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and they're going away and they're really thinking about it.
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And they messaged me and saying, you know, you give
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me so many good ideas. You know, I really, I
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really appreciate you, you know, giving as you know, this
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platform absolutely, you know, and it gives you courage, doesn't it. It
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makes you want to, you know, continue doing what you do.
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And I do it because I actually love it now.
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I actually really have started to fall in love with it.
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That's the thing, you know.
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I fell in love your acting as soon as I
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went to drama school, which was line a couple of
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years after I got back from Willacoom. It was the
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best thing I did. It was hard because we trained
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at the Academy drama school, which is he was in
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White Chapel. It's no longer air, but it was evenings
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every day, Monday, Friday, every Saturday and every other Sunday.
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So you're working. Most people working, unless they were too young,
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you know, Trevor, they were in college or union or whatever,
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but working during the day, training at night. So it
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was hard for you know, some some people fell by
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the wayside of you know, for various reasons. But it
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was the best thing I did because it just me.
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It just something, as you say, something given me lit
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up and yeah, it's what I love to do, so
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I thought. And there was about four or five people
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my around are the same age as me, and three
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of them are still my friends now, you know, it's
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still in touch now. So it's it's quite a fascinating thing.
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But you learn about yourself, you learn about what's what
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it is to be an actor. You know, it's not
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you know, it's not just getting up this sand the lines.
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There's discipline, there's voice lessons, there's brellering exercises. So yeah,
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that that was it. And you know, at the time
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I made I didn't think about my age at the time.
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to do it, because you know, now I think, you know,
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most people go to drama school in their late teens
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or early twenties or whatever. But it's it's a different
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world now. So at that point it was good for
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me and not it wasn't scary, it was.
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Exciting, yeah, exactly. And what I do, I love about
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actors as well, and I always find it's very fascinating.
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You would watch a budget film and you would know,
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damn well, they're they're scripting. Yeah, you would know. And
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what also amazes me is that I was watching a
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film yesterday and I was just like, it's so natural
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with it. They're like they're putting themselves there. Yeah, you
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know that they're they're they're saying that this is my life. Basically,
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if you're in this film, this is your life. You
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need to play this life, not think about your you know,
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reality life, but to think about the life that you're leading.
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I stayed and TV in film though, but the main
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thing that got in common is is being the character.
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Not you shouldn't be acting, although you are, although it's
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called acting. You should just be who are who you
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are playing. You've got to be that character. You've got
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to be inside that character and not just say the
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lines as if it's you're saying them. You know, there's
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there is a big, big difference, And I think because
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I went to drama school and you learn about things
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like that, and you you're more critical when you watch
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a program or a film or whatever. Stage you know,
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when the actors in it and it's and you know,
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it's ninety nine percent of the time people are you know,
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the happens, you know, because nobody's perfect, but it is
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quite fascinating. And yeah, I think stage in theater is
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my first love after that's that's because you train at
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drama school for the theater. It's not it's not it's
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not a film thing you're looking at. It's probably more
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so you do now, but that's just just just for
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the theater.
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years involved in amateur and parameters before you was made,
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before you made the leap into professional acts.
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Absolutely, yeah, but that was that was sort of late twenties. Wow,
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I didn't do it until then, and that was I
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think just by chance. And the first thing I did
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was well, trying to think.
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It was Lakajo Fault, which is a musical, and i'd
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never sung, probably myself, you know, I hadn't sung. I
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did singing after that, but I was just in the chorus.
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But the company were amazing. They had like the West
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End costumes, but it was an amateur production and it
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was such a success. I thought, now I like this,
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So I just sort of pushed myself and you know,
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watching these other people do it because I didn't know training,
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just watch them and build on what I learned and watched,
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and then I went from just playing chorus roles to
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lead roles, you know, only only andran. But then I
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did a couple of program shows as well, and they've
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been some of my favorite roles, which is quite interesting. Yeah,
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even since you know, being a professional, you know, I've
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got favorites. But yeah, a couple of those I would
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do now if I could.
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But yeah, yeah, too old, now, well you're never too old.
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You never too old to go back to that again.
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Yeah, yeah, so I do see. In nineteen ninety nine
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you supped a position as a resident entertainer. Yeah, that
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sounds like a real turning point.
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It was a big turning point. It was hard because
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I'd never worked with children before, you know, even at
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that age, and I wasn't old. I was under forty.
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Because about the careful I say, what is old. But
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the whole company and the people were lovely, and that
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the event, you know, the polypart was amazing.
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We did three shows a week, so I had to learn.
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How to do songs and move a bit, and I
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did bingo for the for the evening bingo session, and
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I became really popular. The first couple of days, I
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wanted to cry because you worked with children, you know,
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and I wasn't I wasn't that good. I wasn't all good.
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And the little boy says to me. I remember this
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to this very day. He said to me, you're terrible,
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you know. And it's you know that's not in that
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deep accent and devoice, but you're terrible.
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And it's like.
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Really choked me up. But it really upset me because
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I thought, if you think that, what other people are
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going to think? You know, kids, kids, they know what
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they're looking at. They tell the truth, don't they mostly,
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So it taught me a lesson. Then I just learned.
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I learned the job, and I actually got the Entertainer
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of the Sea and resn't and Entertainer of the Season
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that year, which was like, you know, that was a
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nice little favorite of my cap because we've all got
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an ego and it just helped my confidence. It really
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just helped my confidence. Yeah, and you know, some of
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those people I'm still friends with now, you know, obviously
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they're older as well. But yeah, it was a good
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turning point. It was tough for my personal life, you know,
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me and my partner, you know, we've been together. But
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the support I got there was as invaluable as the
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work I did as well, because I think part of
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you have you have to be as an actor or
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an entertainer, you have to be a bit selfish and
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I think that's where you know, it can run, you
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can run into trouble with relationships or life. But I've
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always had a great, great, great support. So I'm really lucky,
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very lucky.
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Yeah. No, absolutely, So You've performed in London's West End,
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toured across the UK and appeared you appeared at the
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Edinburgh Fringe Festival.
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Yeah that's right.
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Yeah, I did tell us a little bit which about
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either or just what you both of them well, yeah,
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you start start with the London Western first and we'll
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go from there.
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Well that was that was.
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It was an Inspectacles, which is Jamie Priestley, which is
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one of my favorite plays ever as well, so that
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was just idea. But I did a supernomery role at
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Richmond Theater where there's a crowd scene where you're just
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a member of the you know, the crowd. You don't
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have to speak, you're not you're not a lead actor,
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you're just a even a sporting actor. You're just an
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extra on stage for the particular scene.
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And I don't know if you've seen the show, but
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if you have, you'll know which bit I mean. Yeah,
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don't give me spoilers.
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And from that I got They called me up to
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see if I wanted to do the West End. Same thing,
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but this was for six months, so I was working
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in a day job and then go in to do
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the show, in which it wasn't hard, but obviously you
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have to get in costume, you have to go in
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the green and wait for your call queue to stage
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for whether or for the scene that you're in.
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But the casting director remembered me.
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From that and she called me up and I couldn't
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do the auditions. She asked me if i'd auditioned for
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the Inspector himself and also Berlin, which are the two
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big male roles in it in a great role. But
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I couldn't do it because I was busy in doing something.
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So I said, okay, I've be in touch and we'll
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come back to you another time. I thought, that's the
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end of that, never going to hear another thing. In
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A year later, she phoned me up and I just
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sign with a new agent, and she asked me if
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I'd like to audition to understudy Berling and also the
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inspector Inspector grul.
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I said, yes, of course I'll be there.
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And because I knew I knew the story in the show,
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and I used to watch the show from the wings
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when I was the Supernoomery you know the x oh
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yeah age and the West.
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End and the end of Richmond. And I got it. Yeah,
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I did.
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Really, You know, when you do a good audition, and
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you know when you're okay ish, didn't you say you're
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going to get it even if you do a good audition.
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You know, she doesn't work a bit like that. But
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I got it.
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That was the big break for me, and so we
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did a tour. I mean, this is only just for COVID.
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It was twenty nineteen to twenty twenty. It was a
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nine month tour. We did seven and a bit months
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and that's when the work was shut down with COVID
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and we didn't finish. So we did Cardiff was our
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last theater that week in the run. But I felt
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I finally felt like I'd achieved something and I felt
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like a proper actor because up to then I'd just
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done you know, Fringe and you know a couple of
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little films or whatever, but mostly Fringe. I've never done
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anything on that scale because it's a really popular show
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and the plants are really big and I actually got
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to play Berlin one night and it was amazing.
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Yeah, that's incredible.
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That's what it feels like to me. That's what you know.
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You can't you can't be the nerves before you go
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out on a on a show is you know, stomach churns,
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but there's nothing like it once you're out there, there's
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there's there's such a buzz, it's it's amazing.
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Yeah. So that was that.
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Yeah, and I've done Edinburgh. Ripper was the last show,
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which was two years ago to maybe three years now.
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Time flows, and that was another great thing. And there's
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just a buzz about Edinburgh Fringe as well. I think
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a lot of people knock it because people don't make
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money out of it. It's hard for the actors. But
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the camaraderie about you know, about the streets and the
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teams and people you're strangers. You know, you get strangers
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who are just so lovely. It's like a different world,
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you know, it's not I'm sure in some acting things
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it's like backstabbing and we can't we can do better.
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Yeah she isn't as good as us, but it's not
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like that in that and so that was a it
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was a great experience. So yeah, I've done I've done
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stuff like that and.
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Proud of it. You know.
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I think whatever happens in life, you know, you can
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only be as good as your last job. But also
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don't have regrets. You know, you're you're only going to
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fail if you don't try. And I think whatever, you know,
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whatever it is, in any in any part of the world,
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in any part of life, you know, just do your best.
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That's all you could ever do.
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And yeah, I Finally, when I got in Spectacles, I
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finally felt like a drive and I was a proper actor,
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which is strange in for a few years, you know, strange,
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stranger other world goes and it's it's a tough business.
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It's a very tough business. You know, people give up
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all the time. So I still love it, but it's
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the way it is. You can only go with you
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know what's going to happen. You know, you can't foresee it.
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You can only rise to the challenge when it happens.
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I think, exactly, I'll get what you're saying. You have
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you connected with Monroe? With who's someone called send the Monroe?
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No, I don't think, No, I don't know. No.
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No, he's fascinating because he started out just you know,
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doing you know, films as a rising star, and then
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he had his big break I think was four maybe
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three four years ago he became the main character as
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a boss in Seattle. Okay, yeah, that was quite fair,
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that was quite fascinating. I just thought you would have
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connected with him, but yeah, no, no, yeah, I mean
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Richard might connect you with him, but yeah.
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Yeah, he maybe check tomorrow my connections. Yeah, because there's
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so many on theore. There's so many people who don't
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realize that. People all in different industries as well, but
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obviously my industry is that interests me in connecting with
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people because it's it's just the way. It's just it's
483
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very useful for you. And it's a business, you know. Actually,
484
00:23:08.799 --> 00:23:11.400
you know, whatever profession you're in is a business at
485
00:23:11.440 --> 00:23:14.680
the end of the day as well. So the more
486
00:23:14.880 --> 00:23:16.880
connections and concepts you can have, I think it just
487
00:23:17.200 --> 00:23:19.279
it could open up other doors and other avenues for you.
488
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My age doesn't it's not so it's not so needy,
489
00:23:24.319 --> 00:23:26.599
but you know, if you're younger, I think it's a
490
00:23:26.640 --> 00:23:28.519
great way to connect with people. So you know, I
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00:23:28.559 --> 00:23:31.680
owe Richard a big, big round of applause and thanks.
492
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He knows that, and yeah, it's it's opened my eyes
493
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to things I didn't even realize we're there. And that's
494
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at my age.
495
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You know.
496
00:23:43.559 --> 00:23:47.920
There's plenty of times where as I said to you before,
497
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I have actually tried to switch off the right buzz before. Yeah,
498
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I thought I'd successfully done it, but there was something
499
00:23:57.000 --> 00:23:59.200
to work up one there. I was like, nah, now
500
00:23:59.559 --> 00:24:00.720
I can't which is off?
501
00:24:01.000 --> 00:24:01.960
Yeah, yeah it was.
502
00:24:02.160 --> 00:24:03.720
It wasn't as easy. Do you know what I mean?
503
00:24:03.759 --> 00:24:05.079
It's my job.
504
00:24:05.799 --> 00:24:07.960
I think you know, it's your job. It's also your passion.
505
00:24:08.200 --> 00:24:10.400
It's your passion if it's if it burns, you know,
506
00:24:10.839 --> 00:24:15.160
it's there's your heart's burning, and it's like a it's
507
00:24:15.160 --> 00:24:17.640
hard to describe. I think I think people I mean
508
00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:20.880
talking about acting, I think people think actors are crazy
509
00:24:20.880 --> 00:24:23.960
and they probably are some of us, you know, we are,
510
00:24:24.279 --> 00:24:26.319
and I know a for you crazy ones, but you've
511
00:24:26.680 --> 00:24:29.799
you've got to you've got to want to do it.
512
00:24:29.799 --> 00:24:32.839
It's you know, and there's probably lots of other professions
513
00:24:32.839 --> 00:24:35.440
as well, but you know, especially the acting profession, you know,
514
00:24:36.200 --> 00:24:37.240
singing profession or whatever.
515
00:24:37.599 --> 00:24:41.240
It's not easy. It's not Easy's so many knockbacks. You
516
00:24:41.319 --> 00:24:45.200
doubt yourself. And you know, someone like me, I would
517
00:24:45.200 --> 00:24:47.480
never have I would never have sat down and spoken
518
00:24:47.519 --> 00:24:49.960
to you on the podcast What's six years ago?
519
00:24:50.319 --> 00:24:52.839
I sort of sort of age. I think I'm like
520
00:24:52.839 --> 00:24:56.359
a fine wine age over the years. You know, it's
521
00:24:56.359 --> 00:24:59.160
taken me a long time to to be confident and
522
00:24:59.240 --> 00:25:04.319
believe in the things that I say are just you know,
523
00:25:04.400 --> 00:25:10.920
not justified, but they're worthwhile. You know, I'm not yeah,
524
00:25:10.920 --> 00:25:12.039
because I used to I used to think I was
525
00:25:12.039 --> 00:25:13.359
a failure. I used to think I was a failure
526
00:25:13.359 --> 00:25:15.599
because I didn't have any you know, I go from
527
00:25:15.640 --> 00:25:18.319
job to job doing this. I've done pa work, I've
528
00:25:18.319 --> 00:25:21.400
done the front of house, you know, and I think
529
00:25:21.440 --> 00:25:24.720
that held through the acting to be able to do that,
530
00:25:24.759 --> 00:25:26.640
you know, to to you know, because I'm quite a
531
00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:29.839
people's person, even though I'm shy, which is very it's
532
00:25:29.839 --> 00:25:33.359
like a bit contradictory, but yeah, sort not jetling high.
533
00:25:33.359 --> 00:25:34.880
That's a bit too extreme.
534
00:25:34.599 --> 00:25:45.440
Maybe, but well my partner says that sometimes different today.
535
00:25:45.680 --> 00:25:47.640
Yeah, but I think I think if you're creative and
536
00:25:47.839 --> 00:25:50.920
what you do is a create, you're creative, your creative creator,
537
00:25:51.279 --> 00:25:55.599
you know, creativity people in that sort of area. You know.
538
00:25:56.200 --> 00:25:59.079
I think I've got a lot of demons from my
539
00:25:59.160 --> 00:26:02.400
childhood because my feelings that I wasn't any worth, you know,
540
00:26:02.480 --> 00:26:06.079
and that's my demons. But I've switched that around, and
541
00:26:06.079 --> 00:26:08.279
I know somebody else in the similar position, which is
542
00:26:08.319 --> 00:26:09.720
even more extreme than what I've.
543
00:26:09.640 --> 00:26:11.440
Gone through in that position.
544
00:26:11.480 --> 00:26:16.640
Bro, Yeah, you have to It's like nature and nurture.
545
00:26:16.680 --> 00:26:18.160
Isn't you go one way or you go yeah it
546
00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:22.240
or you find the fine line or whatever. Yeah, and
547
00:26:22.359 --> 00:26:25.200
there's no there's no rule about it. There's no there's
548
00:26:25.240 --> 00:26:29.480
no menu, there's no no textbook you can follow. It's
549
00:26:29.559 --> 00:26:32.359
just whatever happens, and you have to do your best
550
00:26:32.400 --> 00:26:33.000
whatever it is.
551
00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:33.279
You know.
552
00:26:33.799 --> 00:26:35.039
Yeah, I don't know.
553
00:26:35.039 --> 00:26:36.200
It sounds like I'm being patronized.
554
00:26:36.200 --> 00:26:38.359
I don't really, I know, No, it's not. I think
555
00:26:38.599 --> 00:26:40.799
it's more with the words that you say. It can
556
00:26:40.880 --> 00:26:44.279
be inspiring to other people as well, like, yeah, there's
557
00:26:45.039 --> 00:26:47.680
you know, I woke up one day and I looked
558
00:26:47.680 --> 00:26:50.039
at I looked around myself, and I was like, I
559
00:26:50.079 --> 00:26:52.359
want to be better. I want to do something, and
560
00:26:52.400 --> 00:26:55.440
I want to feel proud of myself and I want
561
00:26:55.440 --> 00:26:57.519
my son to feel proud. You know. One day I
562
00:26:57.559 --> 00:26:58.799
woke up when I said, you know, I want to
563
00:26:58.839 --> 00:27:00.960
attempt to write a book. And I done that. You know,
564
00:27:01.079 --> 00:27:03.920
I wrote my I wrote my first book. Well then
565
00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:06.079
I put that in the drawers like no, that sounds weird.
566
00:27:06.119 --> 00:27:08.799
But then I, you know, continued writing because our stuffered
567
00:27:08.799 --> 00:27:13.359
were really bad. Dyslexic, I'm just okay, And I didn't.
568
00:27:14.000 --> 00:27:16.279
I said to myself, well, why am I writing a
569
00:27:16.279 --> 00:27:20.880
book when I hate books and I'm dyslexic. Yeah, I
570
00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:24.119
thought you know what, I'm going to continue and see
571
00:27:24.119 --> 00:27:26.799
where this goes. And I did, you know, I wrote
572
00:27:26.799 --> 00:27:28.880
my book and then I started connecting with authors and
573
00:27:28.920 --> 00:27:31.519
then it just spelled out of control. And here I
574
00:27:31.559 --> 00:27:32.960
am exactly.
575
00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:34.519
But that's what it's about, isn't it.
576
00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:36.839
And it Yeah, you.
577
00:27:36.799 --> 00:27:39.720
Know, we're all I think we're all capable of things
578
00:27:39.720 --> 00:27:43.079
which we don't sometimes, well, especially me, I would never
579
00:27:43.160 --> 00:27:45.519
thought I could have done things I've done. And we're
580
00:27:45.559 --> 00:27:47.319
all in we're all like, we're all the same people.
581
00:27:47.559 --> 00:27:49.880
We're all the same people. We want to better ourselves,
582
00:27:49.960 --> 00:27:53.279
we want to feel worthy, and you know, it's just
583
00:27:53.319 --> 00:27:57.720
whether you can overcome those doubts and those thought processes
584
00:27:57.720 --> 00:28:01.279
which hold you back, you know. So yeah, good, good, good,
585
00:28:01.759 --> 00:28:05.559
congratulations to you. That's novel. You know, I don't know
586
00:28:05.559 --> 00:28:07.720
how I would never to write a book, you know
587
00:28:07.720 --> 00:28:08.160
I've written.
588
00:28:08.200 --> 00:28:11.119
I think all in all fairness, I think it comes
589
00:28:11.160 --> 00:28:13.599
down to, is just because you do that, it doesn't
590
00:28:13.640 --> 00:28:16.200
mean that that's meant to be. It could be it's
591
00:28:16.240 --> 00:28:20.079
a gateway to being something different, which, as you say
592
00:28:20.119 --> 00:28:22.519
that every day we're learning something, we're always going to
593
00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:24.359
be learning something. We're never going to be happy as
594
00:28:24.440 --> 00:28:27.839
humans because that's just us, that's in our nature, always
595
00:28:27.839 --> 00:28:30.160
going to want to do something. Like I went from
596
00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:33.079
writing a book to doing some voice over work, to
597
00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:36.880
doing a podcast to creating my own game, which I'm
598
00:28:36.920 --> 00:28:40.880
currently creating my own two D game. I'm just a
599
00:28:40.920 --> 00:28:44.480
creative guy and I like that, you know, And I
600
00:28:44.519 --> 00:28:47.359
think I've found out it's not because I want to
601
00:28:47.359 --> 00:28:50.400
just stick out doing something. It's because I've got multiple
602
00:28:50.400 --> 00:28:53.400
opportunities and I can do whatever I want. Yeah, that's
603
00:28:53.440 --> 00:28:55.000
the way. That's the way I see it. You know,
604
00:28:55.559 --> 00:28:58.200
you don't have to be famous to do something.
605
00:28:58.279 --> 00:29:01.480
No, and it's not about you know, it's being famous,
606
00:29:01.519 --> 00:29:03.240
not most actors are never famous.
607
00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:04.079
Yeah, exactly.
608
00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:07.200
It's it's about doing what you love and pushing yourself
609
00:29:07.240 --> 00:29:11.880
and overcoming you know, doubts and obstacles, but but just
610
00:29:13.319 --> 00:29:15.440
striving for something else. You know, if you're not happy
611
00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:17.000
with what you're doing, you know, and there's nothing wrong
612
00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:19.559
with you have you know, we can't always saying we're
613
00:29:19.599 --> 00:29:20.920
all different, we'll built differently.
614
00:29:22.279 --> 00:29:24.160
But I think also.
615
00:29:25.160 --> 00:29:29.400
If if if, if you're if you're somebody who just
616
00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:33.279
dreams not you know, I'm not not as anything wrong
617
00:29:33.319 --> 00:29:35.200
with that because I used to be like that.
618
00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:37.240
You know, if you just dream about something you don't
619
00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:40.599
action it. That doesn't mean say you're any less a
620
00:29:40.599 --> 00:29:42.759
person or whatever. It's just that.
621
00:29:43.160 --> 00:29:47.119
Something didn't click, something didn't change for whatever reason, you
622
00:29:47.119 --> 00:29:48.279
know what you're saying. We're doing that.
623
00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:53.079
Yeah, you know, you overcome your dyslexia, and that's that's
624
00:29:53.119 --> 00:29:55.079
pushed You're on to do other things, and that's that's
625
00:29:55.119 --> 00:29:56.079
what's that's.
626
00:29:55.960 --> 00:29:58.799
What's amazing, you know. Yeah, And I don't think there
627
00:29:58.839 --> 00:29:59.839
is an age thing on.
628
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:01.559
And you know, obviously you've got a lot more years
629
00:30:01.559 --> 00:30:03.960
if you're younger, But then you don't know. Anything can
630
00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:05.680
happen in life. You know, none of us know how
631
00:30:05.720 --> 00:30:08.839
long we're here for. It's just about making the best
632
00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:11.400
of what we have and how we do it if
633
00:30:11.440 --> 00:30:11.960
we can.
634
00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:12.119
You know.
635
00:30:12.680 --> 00:30:14.880
Yeah, that's the one. You know. Sometimes I wake up
636
00:30:14.920 --> 00:30:19.960
and I shake myself and I always say, today you
637
00:30:20.079 --> 00:30:23.279
need to be happy, you know, tomorrow you need to
638
00:30:23.279 --> 00:30:26.640
be happy. You know. That's that's why I'm not always happy.
639
00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:30.200
By the way, Sometimes I encourage myself to you know,
640
00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:32.559
when I feel down, and then I would sit there
641
00:30:32.559 --> 00:30:35.839
and I would think to myself, you need to be happy. Yeah,
642
00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:37.799
you know, you're entitled to be happy, like we're all
643
00:30:37.960 --> 00:30:42.000
entitled to be happy, and sometimes it makes me sit
644
00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:44.160
there and think, you know, what can I do to
645
00:30:44.200 --> 00:30:45.160
make myself happy?
646
00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:45.839
You know?
647
00:30:46.160 --> 00:30:49.240
And that's where the two D game came involved. Yeah,
648
00:30:49.759 --> 00:30:51.559
I wanted to put creativity with that.
649
00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:55.920
Yeah, yeah, I think I think you know, what you've
650
00:30:55.960 --> 00:31:00.319
done is inspirational, you know, it's just it's it's not
651
00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:05.359
everyone's path in life that they're going to follow. People have,
652
00:31:05.480 --> 00:31:07.519
you know. And that's the thing about me. I don't
653
00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:11.920
want to just give up now just because I'm getting older.
654
00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:13.799
You know, there's no reason to just give up and
655
00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:16.759
sit on home and with your slippers and your co
656
00:31:16.920 --> 00:31:21.079
go and watch some boring old film that's on television.
657
00:31:21.079 --> 00:31:22.839
Not that fine, some boring old film that you could
658
00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:23.279
have been in it.
659
00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:25.839
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I should have been the actor.
660
00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:26.680
He's not as good?
661
00:31:27.400 --> 00:31:28.400
What is going on there?
662
00:31:28.400 --> 00:31:34.119
Why we don't that that happens to us? We've all, Yeah,
663
00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:36.319
because because they get it wrong sometimes, you know, it's
664
00:31:36.319 --> 00:31:38.880
not always they're not always right past directors. I better
665
00:31:38.920 --> 00:31:43.759
say that the one never get employed again. But yeah,
666
00:31:43.799 --> 00:31:48.599
but it is true, you know, we I think everybody
667
00:31:48.759 --> 00:31:50.799
and this is a silly, silly thing to say, maybe,
668
00:31:50.839 --> 00:31:54.359
but I think we all have paths in lives happened
669
00:31:54.400 --> 00:31:56.720
for a reason, and that's a strange ins sake.
670
00:31:56.759 --> 00:31:59.799
Obviously, some people go through hell and terrible illness. Isn't
671
00:31:59.799 --> 00:32:00.480
trying it is.
672
00:32:00.759 --> 00:32:04.200
But I think if we go through life, you know,
673
00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:06.839
to a certain point of you know, life in at
674
00:32:06.880 --> 00:32:10.200
a certain age, you're there for a reason, whatever that
675
00:32:10.279 --> 00:32:10.680
may be.
676
00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:11.519
You know, it may not.
677
00:32:11.680 --> 00:32:13.319
You know, you may not set the world light in
678
00:32:13.400 --> 00:32:17.799
what you're doing, but you know, I'm still happy whatever
679
00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:20.319
happens with my acting. Now I've got over the fact
680
00:32:20.359 --> 00:32:22.559
where I have to act. If I don't, I'm going
681
00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:26.000
to you know, be suicidal or depressed for months or nth.
682
00:32:26.319 --> 00:32:27.480
I got through that point.
683
00:32:27.880 --> 00:32:31.839
I just enjoy it when I'm doing it, and you know,
684
00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:35.960
now I'm doing now something else. But we can only.
685
00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:40.920
We can only do things if the opportunity arises as well.
686
00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:43.559
But you can still create opportunities, and I think we
687
00:32:43.640 --> 00:32:45.960
don't always think of that. I've become more like that
688
00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:47.720
as the older I've got. When I was younger, I
689
00:32:48.079 --> 00:32:50.160
saw I think I had a chip on my shoulder,
690
00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:52.319
you know, I clashed with my dad and I thought,
691
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:54.319
you know, the world opened me a living you know,
692
00:32:54.359 --> 00:32:58.000
and it didn't obviously, but I think when I got
693
00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:00.640
the summer season and then I got to drama school,
694
00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:03.799
even at that age, I thought, I'm actually I like
695
00:33:03.880 --> 00:33:04.519
myself now.
696
00:33:04.640 --> 00:33:05.759
Does that sound no?
697
00:33:05.799 --> 00:33:07.720
It doesn't. That sounds really nice, mate.
698
00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:11.119
Just not like myself before. But I thought I was
699
00:33:11.160 --> 00:33:12.000
going through so much.
700
00:33:12.559 --> 00:33:15.240
You feel better about yourself? Is giving you confidence? Yeah,
701
00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:17.480
of course. And this is what I say is that,
702
00:33:17.599 --> 00:33:20.640
you know, when when when we do these shows, and
703
00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:24.440
you know, we share inspirational stories, we're not doing it
704
00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:27.960
for money. We're doing it for two things, for the
705
00:33:28.039 --> 00:33:32.200
guests to share the inspiration, to fuel other creativity. And
706
00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:35.440
this is what I'm saying is that I well, you know,
707
00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:39.599
I actually built a foundation of being creative and this
708
00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:41.680
is one of them. This is you know, you're part
709
00:33:41.720 --> 00:33:47.119
of that creativity. You're here, you know, you're sharing your story, yes,
710
00:33:47.240 --> 00:33:50.039
to fuel someone else's creativity as well as well as
711
00:33:50.559 --> 00:33:51.799
getting the word out for you.
712
00:33:51.920 --> 00:33:54.359
Yeah, because if you know, if if i'd have you know,
713
00:33:54.359 --> 00:33:57.279
if i'd have you know, going back in time, if
714
00:33:57.279 --> 00:34:00.920
i'd have, yeah, had this sort of experiences the people
715
00:34:00.920 --> 00:34:03.160
I've met and people I've worked with, et cetera, et cetera,
716
00:34:03.240 --> 00:34:03.880
you know, my other.
717
00:34:03.799 --> 00:34:08.599
Half, but my family friends, I would have probably had
718
00:34:08.599 --> 00:34:11.960
gone on a different journey, you know, whatever, whatever reason
719
00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:16.440
it was, that was the journey I took, and it
720
00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:19.239
was meant to be for whatever reason, maybe chance, maybe not.
721
00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:20.199
Who knows.
722
00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:24.599
It says, I don't mean like it's not. I don't
723
00:34:24.599 --> 00:34:28.880
think it's just as simple as that. But I do
724
00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:32.119
believe things happen for a reason. I know, probably too
725
00:34:32.360 --> 00:34:33.840
black and white. I don't mean it to be. But
726
00:34:34.599 --> 00:34:36.639
you know, if i'd have stayed where I was living,
727
00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:38.639
you know, and hadn't moved to Kent, I would have.
728
00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:41.840
I was doing well at school, even though I was
729
00:34:41.840 --> 00:34:43.400
only in the second year. I was doing very well
730
00:34:43.480 --> 00:34:46.119
at school, in the top group bands and top A
731
00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:49.440
classes for this and everything. But when I went to
732
00:34:49.519 --> 00:34:52.880
Kent at twelve thirteen, I just didn't I just didn't
733
00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:56.280
want to know. And some say something changed, and you know,
734
00:34:56.320 --> 00:34:59.320
that was my that was my whatever, that was my
735
00:34:59.440 --> 00:35:01.159
big journey for whatever reason.
736
00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:06.519
You know. So I'm not totally get it, No, no, honestly,
737
00:35:06.519 --> 00:35:08.880
because I do think like you as well. Because I
738
00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:12.159
said to my partner one day, I said to her.
739
00:35:12.199 --> 00:35:14.639
I said, I said, baby, what I went If I
740
00:35:14.679 --> 00:35:18.519
didn't go through what I went through when I was younger.
741
00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:21.559
And you know, I'm not going to just I'm going
742
00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:23.039
to say as it is, I used to be in
743
00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:27.960
care a lot. If I was adopted, I wouldn't be
744
00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:31.559
here today. Wow, If this is the way I see,
745
00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:35.280
I wouldn't be with this partner that I'm with now,
746
00:35:35.320 --> 00:35:37.000
and I wouldn't have the son that I have now
747
00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:41.199
because that half would have been totally different, right, you know,
748
00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:45.000
you know I managed to stay with my mum and
749
00:35:45.320 --> 00:35:49.159
you know I'm here, you know, on this path, I
750
00:35:49.159 --> 00:35:52.559
would have been a totally different paths. You know, I
751
00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:53.039
get it.
752
00:35:53.480 --> 00:35:57.880
Yeah, it's there's things that are dealt for us. Is
753
00:35:57.920 --> 00:35:59.079
the card you get as well, isn't it?
754
00:35:59.079 --> 00:35:59.239
You know?
755
00:35:59.400 --> 00:36:04.800
Yeah? Cliche thing the guard you dealt with you you
756
00:36:05.239 --> 00:36:07.719
have to use them or not.
757
00:36:08.719 --> 00:36:10.880
So yeah, that's something that is quite interesting, you know.
758
00:36:11.000 --> 00:36:16.239
So I think you know that that said that, it's
759
00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:19.280
what's the word it's I said again, nature and nurtures.
760
00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:23.639
That's not as easy as that. But things happened, and
761
00:36:24.599 --> 00:36:26.519
you take a path you don't you do you don't
762
00:36:26.559 --> 00:36:28.719
you know it's you know, we could have all done
763
00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:30.599
different things. Probably, you know, I don't know why I
764
00:36:30.599 --> 00:36:33.280
would have done. I wasn't you know, you know, mainly
765
00:36:33.320 --> 00:36:35.519
English was my favorite thing. I was never interested in
766
00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:37.320
anything else, even though I was in the group's top
767
00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:38.679
groups at that school.
768
00:36:38.679 --> 00:36:40.159
But when I changed schools.
769
00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:43.320
Because I felt like my life had ended, even you know,
770
00:36:43.519 --> 00:36:46.440
that's seriously, I have only moved for you know, like
771
00:36:46.840 --> 00:36:49.760
thirty miles away. It's forty miles. But it felt to
772
00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:51.320
me at that time that, you know, I lost all
773
00:36:51.320 --> 00:36:52.960
my friends. You know, I didn't want to make new friends.
774
00:36:53.000 --> 00:36:56.239
I did make friends, but it was almost this happened
775
00:36:56.280 --> 00:36:58.480
to me. I blamed my parents, you know, and you
776
00:36:58.599 --> 00:37:01.760
know my dad's in alonger Way us. My mum still is.
777
00:37:01.800 --> 00:37:07.920
But it was it was It wasn't the life I
778
00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:10.320
wanted to live. And I should be saying that because
779
00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:12.280
I was only twelve thirteen, But did.
780
00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:15.199
You know, you may I feel like I'm looking at
781
00:37:15.360 --> 00:37:19.360
the older version of me because everything you're saying, No, honestly,
782
00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:21.639
everything you're saying is what I was when I was
783
00:37:21.639 --> 00:37:22.000
a kid.
784
00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:25.920
Yeah, I feel like I'm in therapy, you see.
785
00:37:25.960 --> 00:37:27.599
The thing is right, We've had people come on the
786
00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:32.400
show people of pride. Yeah, because no, no honesty. But this
787
00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:34.480
is this is what it's about. You know, this is
788
00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:35.840
what I'm saying when I when I said that I
789
00:37:35.880 --> 00:37:37.920
would get messages and I didn't want to say. But
790
00:37:38.480 --> 00:37:42.440
people say they feel it's a therapy because they're letting
791
00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:45.280
go of something. Yeah yeah, and how strange is it?
792
00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:48.440
Sounds that could be their perfect could be why I'm here.
793
00:37:48.519 --> 00:37:53.800
I don't know, but yeah, yeah, sorry, I do want too.
794
00:37:53.719 --> 00:37:57.400
Much to My sister's always say, stopped interrupting, let me speak.
795
00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:00.639
I do. I never used to.
796
00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:04.079
I never used to, just like can I say, I've
797
00:38:04.119 --> 00:38:05.719
got sometimes to get verbal diarrhea.
798
00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:06.039
I don't know.
799
00:38:08.280 --> 00:38:09.079
Why. I don't know.
800
00:38:10.199 --> 00:38:11.599
You know, I wasn't like that when I was, you know,
801
00:38:11.760 --> 00:38:16.119
like ten years ago, even a drama school. But now
802
00:38:16.119 --> 00:38:17.920
I forgot I was going to say because I was talking.
803
00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:22.519
Rubbish suddenly word I'm going to use for us.
804
00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:26.719
It? What was I saying? Sorry? I lost track. Now
805
00:38:26.719 --> 00:38:27.159
I lost.
806
00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:31.360
About about when you talk I think your sister.
807
00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:37.280
Yeah yeah, yeah, just I didn't feel here we go.
808
00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:38.199
This is gonna get deep.
809
00:38:38.719 --> 00:38:39.559
That's fine.
810
00:38:41.239 --> 00:38:43.559
My mum and dad. And if she hears that, she's
811
00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:46.199
she knows. I'm I said it to my sisters still
812
00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:50.159
the same. We just we never got cuddles and hugs,
813
00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:53.880
never had that sort of relationship, you know, I know
814
00:38:53.920 --> 00:38:56.239
they loved it. I don't know they love something. My
815
00:38:56.280 --> 00:38:59.119
mom's my love. My mom loves me now and she
816
00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:02.400
always did. But where they weren't those that sort of people.
817
00:39:02.440 --> 00:39:02.880
They weren't.
818
00:39:02.920 --> 00:39:06.000
Maybe it was that their particular generation. Even though my
819
00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:09.039
other half's mom wasn't like that, she was really huggy.
820
00:39:09.079 --> 00:39:12.880
And you know, so that I think affects you. It
821
00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:14.880
makes you feel is this something wrong with me? And
822
00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:17.079
I don't mean that too deep, you know, with like
823
00:39:18.239 --> 00:39:21.079
not you know, it's it affect It does affect you.
824
00:39:21.159 --> 00:39:24.760
It affects your confidence and you you start doubting the
825
00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:29.480
people like you because he didn't get hugs as a
826
00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:32.639
youngster and that's just the way they are. You know,
827
00:39:32.679 --> 00:39:34.119
it will be a long time to realize that. And
828
00:39:34.119 --> 00:39:36.159
you know, I've sat down and spoken spoken with sisters
829
00:39:36.199 --> 00:39:37.679
about it, and we all feel the same. We all
830
00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:41.880
felt like that. But I got that from other people
831
00:39:41.880 --> 00:39:44.679
in the family. You know, their they're hurt. Mum's mum
832
00:39:44.679 --> 00:39:49.480
and dad and grandparents on both sides but that's for
833
00:39:49.519 --> 00:39:52.119
some reason they weren't like that, and I think that
834
00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:54.599
did affect me, and I think it still does affect me.
835
00:39:54.639 --> 00:39:59.039
If I'm going to be honest, I still doubt myself sometimes.
836
00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:02.920
And that's I think, why why I think I'm a
837
00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:08.719
good actor. I think actors who are dealing with other
838
00:40:08.760 --> 00:40:12.400
things in their life or have Yeah, it makes you
839
00:40:12.440 --> 00:40:14.679
want to hide behind something else, and there's no better
840
00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:16.840
way to do that behind than behind a character, you know.
841
00:40:18.159 --> 00:40:22.840
So I think that's that's where my my that's where
842
00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:25.400
my belief in myself as an actor came from it.
843
00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:28.719
I just thought, no, I'm going to do this because
844
00:40:28.719 --> 00:40:30.440
obviously I can act, because you know, you don't get
845
00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:31.559
into drama school, you know.
846
00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:33.960
I suppose some people do. But I know, I know
847
00:40:34.000 --> 00:40:35.280
I'm a really good actor. You know.
848
00:40:35.679 --> 00:40:38.559
I've been told this, and I actually never ever would
849
00:40:38.639 --> 00:40:42.079
say it, because you don't say that, You don't say
850
00:40:42.119 --> 00:40:43.880
you're a good actor, I'm a terrific actor, because that's
851
00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:47.599
really egotistical and narcissistic. But you have to get to
852
00:40:47.639 --> 00:40:50.320
a point where you believe it. Otherwise don't carry on.
853
00:40:50.559 --> 00:40:50.960
Give up.
854
00:40:51.679 --> 00:40:54.320
There's enough, there's enough rejection in that without rejecting yourself
855
00:40:54.360 --> 00:40:58.360
you know. So yeah, so I really I know I am,
856
00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:00.559
and so that makes me feel proud of achieve that
857
00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:03.239
because I think it was always meant to be for
858
00:41:03.320 --> 00:41:03.920
whatever reason.
859
00:41:05.079 --> 00:41:11.960
You So, no, this is, this is this is the point. Right.
860
00:41:12.039 --> 00:41:16.360
So when I contacted you, I said about storytelling, right
861
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:18.639
and this is this is, this is, this is what
862
00:41:18.719 --> 00:41:23.039
our podcast is built around. It's true story storytelling. It's
863
00:41:23.119 --> 00:41:26.559
telling your journey to you know, to why you're you're
864
00:41:26.599 --> 00:41:29.840
where you are today. And when someone says to me,
865
00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:34.280
I don't really have a story, nah, you're lying because
866
00:41:34.760 --> 00:41:40.119
everyone has a story absolutely why behind everything we do?
867
00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:42.719
Of course, yeah, there's a reason. It's like a jigsaw,
868
00:41:42.760 --> 00:41:43.000
isn't it.
869
00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:45.800
You put them together and then suddenly you find the
870
00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:48.039
reason why you're doing that, or if you don't until
871
00:41:48.280 --> 00:41:48.920
whatever later.
872
00:41:49.000 --> 00:41:52.559
But of course, yeah, we are what we are.
873
00:41:52.679 --> 00:42:00.199
But I think it's like you say, you know, you
874
00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:02.840
didn't you didn't go into care and you so you
875
00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:04.480
didn't go into care.
876
00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:07.519
In and out. I didn't get Yeah, my other brother's
877
00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:10.599
got adopted by that's what that's.
878
00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:11.920
That's a tough thing to go through, you know, if
879
00:42:11.920 --> 00:42:14.559
you're not adopted, and like, yeah.
880
00:42:14.480 --> 00:42:15.960
You know what's wrong with me? And you know, I'm
881
00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:20.440
not putting words. It's and I don't want to upsete you.
882
00:42:20.400 --> 00:42:21.360
But no, no, no you're not.
883
00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:25.840
It's that's that's hard. That's a hard thing to deal with.
884
00:42:25.920 --> 00:42:28.159
You know, I don't want to talk about somebody else
885
00:42:28.199 --> 00:42:30.360
in the cast because I don't want He's already made
886
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:31.559
it public, but he.
887
00:42:33.559 --> 00:42:36.000
You probably people will probably see his podcasts and that's so.
888
00:42:36.519 --> 00:42:36.760
Yeah.
889
00:42:36.840 --> 00:42:39.679
The thing that drew me to him was he is
890
00:42:39.880 --> 00:42:42.719
honesty about his life because he has and this is
891
00:42:42.920 --> 00:42:44.400
a guy who's in the thing that I'm doing now
892
00:42:44.480 --> 00:42:49.440
that i've cast. He's he was abused physically, not sexually
893
00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:53.719
or anything, but physically mentally by his dad. Yes, it was.
894
00:42:53.840 --> 00:42:55.599
It was so extremely you know when I heard what
895
00:42:56.039 --> 00:42:58.880
you know, hear the stories, I think, and here's me
896
00:42:59.000 --> 00:43:01.199
sitting at because I didn't get a hug from my
897
00:43:01.239 --> 00:43:04.400
mum and dad. You know, you know, it just shows
898
00:43:04.440 --> 00:43:07.480
you the difference in people's experiences in life. And he's
899
00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:09.800
turned his life around after going through all that. He
900
00:43:09.800 --> 00:43:11.840
could have gone off down a different track, you know.
901
00:43:12.400 --> 00:43:15.039
You know, I don't know what, maybe killed himself or
902
00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:18.760
gone to drugs and drink or whatever some people probably do.
903
00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:23.840
But he's turned into a really nice guy who's just
904
00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:28.239
got a nice heart, you know, and I'm even proud
905
00:43:28.280 --> 00:43:30.760
to just have met him. And it makes me realize,
906
00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:33.119
you think, don't ever complain about anything. And again, you
907
00:43:33.119 --> 00:43:35.480
know he went through. If you went through what he
908
00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:40.679
went through, or something to complain about. But so that
909
00:43:40.800 --> 00:43:42.719
you know, that's a new that's a new meeting that
910
00:43:42.719 --> 00:43:44.960
I've had with somebody who I'd never met before, and
911
00:43:46.000 --> 00:43:48.920
just an inspiration. And if we can, as you say,
912
00:43:49.039 --> 00:43:52.679
if we can inspire somebody else to say something that
913
00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:55.559
they don't feel they should say because it's not politically
914
00:43:55.559 --> 00:43:58.199
correct or it's not the right thing to say, because
915
00:43:58.199 --> 00:44:01.599
you might, you know, start crying. There's nothing wrong with crying.
916
00:44:01.639 --> 00:44:03.960
You know, I'm the softest thing. I cry everything. I
917
00:44:04.039 --> 00:44:08.519
quite adverts. I could watch you probably too young to remember.
918
00:44:08.519 --> 00:44:09.559
A little House on the Prairie.
919
00:44:09.559 --> 00:44:14.599
I know I'm not too young. I used to love that.
920
00:44:14.920 --> 00:44:17.719
Yeah, in the episode, you know, even even now, I'd
921
00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:18.480
watch it.
922
00:44:18.840 --> 00:44:21.559
A dog dog named Lassie, wasn't it No?
923
00:44:21.599 --> 00:44:22.760
Not necessarily is it?
924
00:44:24.039 --> 00:44:28.719
Sure? House on the prairie.
925
00:44:27.559 --> 00:44:31.000
Michael Land and the the it was called Jack was
926
00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:32.679
the one of the dog one of the dog, yeah,
927
00:44:33.039 --> 00:44:34.800
and the other one I come member with the other
928
00:44:34.840 --> 00:44:37.480
one was they wrote Jack out if he died in
929
00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:42.039
real life, so let's get another dog. But yeah, stuff
930
00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:43.119
like that, and I will.
931
00:44:44.960 --> 00:44:45.440
What is it?
932
00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:48.000
I was watching the thing the other night. I'm a
933
00:44:48.039 --> 00:44:50.679
big fan of Angela Lansbury. I don't know, right, Yeah,
934
00:44:50.800 --> 00:44:53.639
big big fan she was. People don't realize how talented
935
00:44:53.679 --> 00:44:55.840
she was. You know, she did musicals and nothing. People
936
00:44:55.920 --> 00:44:59.079
just said she played Jessica Fletcher. But I was watching
937
00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:02.079
an interview with her, just looking at her stuff and
938
00:45:02.239 --> 00:45:05.920
just get interior, just because she overcame so much to
939
00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:08.559
prove that she could do what she did do you know.
940
00:45:08.639 --> 00:45:12.199
And I find I think that's sort of in me
941
00:45:12.440 --> 00:45:15.480
because of how I am in the lack of security,
942
00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:19.239
which is better than now than it was. I just
943
00:45:19.280 --> 00:45:21.800
find things like that really gut wrench and they really
944
00:45:21.880 --> 00:45:22.159
hit me.
945
00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:22.599
Hit me.
946
00:45:23.519 --> 00:45:26.880
Yeah, I try anything that's quite something that other nights
947
00:45:26.960 --> 00:45:28.159
like me, what's that?
948
00:45:28.199 --> 00:45:32.920
What is wrong with you? What's wrong with you? Yeah?
949
00:45:33.000 --> 00:45:35.719
But I think it's nice to be like that because
950
00:45:35.719 --> 00:45:38.239
I think that helps me as an actor. It definitely
951
00:45:38.239 --> 00:45:40.440
helps me as an actor because you can you know,
952
00:45:40.480 --> 00:45:42.159
you can you've got to go sometimes of places you
953
00:45:42.199 --> 00:45:45.760
don't want to go, you know whatever. So I don't
954
00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:49.199
mean locations. I mean, I know you know what I mean,
955
00:45:50.239 --> 00:45:57.480
just in case anyone it's yeah, it's it is what
956
00:45:57.519 --> 00:46:00.960
it is, isn't it? And these people are people. But
957
00:46:01.039 --> 00:46:04.000
I think the thing we've all got in common, unless
958
00:46:04.039 --> 00:46:06.920
they're lying, people want to be liked, people want to
959
00:46:06.920 --> 00:46:11.239
be respected, people want to do their best, and you
960
00:46:11.320 --> 00:46:14.239
know that's I think that's what it's about. It's been
961
00:46:14.239 --> 00:46:16.960
a nice human being. You know, I'm a bit sort
962
00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:21.079
of you know, there's enough nasty, bad things in the
963
00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:23.280
world that's just will be nice people, you know, because
964
00:46:23.280 --> 00:46:26.880
there's people who don't get a break, don't get the
965
00:46:26.920 --> 00:46:31.559
help they need. So I think one thing I wanted
966
00:46:31.599 --> 00:46:35.840
to do, as I thought about doing counseling, that I'm
967
00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:39.360
probably the worst person to do that because I'll be
968
00:46:39.440 --> 00:46:40.239
crying all the time.
969
00:46:41.360 --> 00:46:41.920
Help me.
970
00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:46.320
But I think your life experiences, you know, they do
971
00:46:46.480 --> 00:46:48.039
help you, you know, so I think it would still
972
00:46:48.039 --> 00:46:48.639
be good at doing it.
973
00:46:48.719 --> 00:46:51.320
I don't know if I could. It be quite depressing,
974
00:46:51.360 --> 00:46:53.159
But you're helping somebody.
975
00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:55.440
Aren't you, you know, Yeah, exactly.
976
00:46:55.159 --> 00:46:58.639
Maybe I will, but probably too old now say that
977
00:46:58.639 --> 00:46:59.239
you're never too old.
978
00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:03.519
Yeah on any but anyway, But all that being said, though,
979
00:47:03.559 --> 00:47:06.119
no talk forever. No, you don't need to be sorry.
980
00:47:06.159 --> 00:47:08.760
And this is this is we always encourage you know,
981
00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:12.960
we don't, we don't care. Basically, you know it's your
982
00:47:13.039 --> 00:47:15.480
story and you know we're here to sit and listen
983
00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:18.559
to that. And you know, I did want to say
984
00:47:18.599 --> 00:47:21.559
as well, is that you currently have two film productions
985
00:47:21.760 --> 00:47:23.159
due to release this year.
986
00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:28.679
Yes, yeah, yeah, not mine of course, one of them.
987
00:47:28.960 --> 00:47:31.719
I'm not sure what's happening with it. It was all
988
00:47:31.760 --> 00:47:34.800
done on green screen. But my work and it I'm
989
00:47:34.840 --> 00:47:37.800
so so proud of. And the director he cast me
990
00:47:38.159 --> 00:47:40.480
because he saw my my thing on Mandy dot com,
991
00:47:40.519 --> 00:47:43.760
which is one of the casting things. Looked looked me
992
00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:47.079
up on Spotlight, and he cast me because he saw
993
00:47:47.079 --> 00:47:51.559
the shower, but also because I looked like the actor
994
00:47:52.159 --> 00:47:55.239
who he wanted me to play the same character that
995
00:47:55.280 --> 00:47:58.079
the actor did in usual film. Basically, it's a retake
996
00:47:58.239 --> 00:48:02.119
on the different man, you know, just a different take
997
00:48:02.159 --> 00:48:08.400
on it, and I play the Freddie Jones character. So
998
00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:12.039
I've seemed like the steals from it and he made
999
00:48:12.119 --> 00:48:14.840
he's made me look like Freddie Jones, which is quite remarkable,
1000
00:48:14.840 --> 00:48:19.760
and who was a terrific actors. His son's Toby Jones now,
1001
00:48:19.840 --> 00:48:25.119
who's probably about my age now. But but you know,
1002
00:48:25.159 --> 00:48:27.039
that's the only reason I got the job was because
1003
00:48:27.119 --> 00:48:28.920
I looked like we wanted, you know that I looked
1004
00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:32.000
like the original. So I'm pretty proud of that. That's
1005
00:48:32.039 --> 00:48:36.519
all black and white done on green screen. But yeah,
1006
00:48:36.559 --> 00:48:39.920
that was quite an experience. And Bill who directed that,
1007
00:48:40.039 --> 00:48:43.719
just the Lovely Chap a real You get different types
1008
00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:47.480
of directors, directors who are good actor directors, they not
1009
00:48:47.559 --> 00:48:50.199
have to work with actors, you know. He was one
1010
00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:52.360
of those. And the other thing I've got coming out
1011
00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:56.719
of this thing called Wooden Horse, which is about the
1012
00:48:56.800 --> 00:49:00.559
Stockholm syndrome, and that's the theme where I this girl
1013
00:49:01.519 --> 00:49:05.480
hostage and then form an alliance type thing.
1014
00:49:05.639 --> 00:49:10.960
And no, no, that that what you just did there?
1015
00:49:11.000 --> 00:49:17.039
That that's in one of my books. Yeah, he's a
1016
00:49:19.079 --> 00:49:22.079
He basically falls in love with a girl called Laura
1017
00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:26.559
and he basically obsesses over her, but then he meets
1018
00:49:26.599 --> 00:49:31.440
someone later on called Sasha and then he he it's
1019
00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:34.760
I can't remember the plot because it's been put away.
1020
00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:38.239
I've not bothered with it. He kind of allies with
1021
00:49:38.280 --> 00:49:40.000
her and they and they end up in a shootout
1022
00:49:40.039 --> 00:49:46.199
in the motel. Do you know I had someone, I
1023
00:49:46.239 --> 00:49:48.440
had two people to try and narrate on it, and
1024
00:49:48.440 --> 00:49:50.599
they turn around and said to me, I can't, I
1025
00:49:50.599 --> 00:49:51.960
can't do any more. And it's like, what is that?
1026
00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:57.639
Then it's disturbing. I was like, really, what I would
1027
00:49:57.719 --> 00:50:00.360
I would have thought like Stephen King's more gruesome then me.
1028
00:50:00.519 --> 00:50:03.440
I mean, if this is some sort of competition, I
1029
00:50:03.480 --> 00:50:05.719
need to check this out, you know what I mean?
1030
00:50:06.400 --> 00:50:08.760
Well, if you if you need a narrator, give me a.
1031
00:50:10.599 --> 00:50:12.320
Yeah. No, it's it's fascinating, it's.
1032
00:50:12.159 --> 00:50:16.760
Funny, Yeah, funny. How's he? Yeah, his name was maybe
1033
00:50:16.760 --> 00:50:19.239
I shouldn't bet a plot away. His name is Jude.
1034
00:50:19.239 --> 00:50:20.400
Do you think his name is Jude?
1035
00:50:21.440 --> 00:50:25.119
And she's out riding and he's got an affinity with animals,
1036
00:50:25.159 --> 00:50:31.000
especially horses. He prefers horses and animals to people. So anyway,
1037
00:50:31.159 --> 00:50:33.480
he sort of make me shoots and then the all
1038
00:50:33.599 --> 00:50:35.400
spolts and she falls off and he takes her and
1039
00:50:35.400 --> 00:50:40.400
he keeps her captive. And yeah, I won't give him
1040
00:50:40.400 --> 00:50:41.840
more the plot away or the director will kill me.
1041
00:50:43.039 --> 00:50:47.159
But that was quite a challenge because it was a
1042
00:50:47.199 --> 00:50:50.360
different voice. I've got quite a deep voice, as you
1043
00:50:50.360 --> 00:50:54.119
can tell, which I'm really proud. But why am I
1044
00:50:54.119 --> 00:50:57.880
proud of that? It's stupid, think Susan. But it's good
1045
00:50:57.920 --> 00:50:59.159
for stage, it's good for projection.
1046
00:50:59.400 --> 00:51:00.280
But that's why I like it.
1047
00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:04.559
But yeah, he's got a different accent to me, a
1048
00:51:04.559 --> 00:51:07.599
bit of a northern twang and a lot softer in
1049
00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:11.639
his book vocal in his residence with his voice, so
1050
00:51:11.719 --> 00:51:13.760
that was quite a challenged, especially when you're getting angry,
1051
00:51:13.760 --> 00:51:16.239
you've got to keep on the same level and stuff.
1052
00:51:16.559 --> 00:51:19.480
But yeah, yeah that was quite interesting. So that's I
1053
00:51:19.480 --> 00:51:21.599
think it's only going to be it's not it's only
1054
00:51:21.639 --> 00:51:24.719
an independent film, which it's an independent film. These people
1055
00:51:24.760 --> 00:51:28.719
work hard, you know, for no money. But i'd worked
1056
00:51:28.760 --> 00:51:32.639
with the director's girlfriend in a play a few years
1057
00:51:32.679 --> 00:51:34.920
back in there on Aborne Play, which I had the
1058
00:51:34.960 --> 00:51:36.920
lead in, and we just sort of kept in touch
1059
00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:38.320
and then he asked me if I would like to
1060
00:51:38.360 --> 00:51:39.840
do this, and I said, you have send me the script.
1061
00:51:39.880 --> 00:51:40.440
I'll overlook.
1062
00:51:40.719 --> 00:51:42.400
As soon as I read it, it's like, yeah, there's
1063
00:51:42.440 --> 00:51:46.440
no brainer, I'm going to do this. And yeah, really
1064
00:51:46.440 --> 00:51:49.119
really toughed with it, and he says, I'm not gonna
1065
00:51:49.119 --> 00:51:51.719
say ayre because that sounds really narcissistic, but he thinks
1066
00:51:51.800 --> 00:51:54.320
so he said, if there was an award, you know,
1067
00:51:54.360 --> 00:51:56.719
and you should be up there getting oscars and things. Says, okay, yeah,
1068
00:51:56.719 --> 00:51:58.000
we don't let that go too my head because I
1069
00:51:58.000 --> 00:52:00.800
ain't never to happen. But that makes you feel good.
1070
00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:02.239
That makes you feel that you have a good job.
1071
00:52:02.239 --> 00:52:05.599
You know, that's all that you know. It's not you know,
1072
00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:07.760
it's not I'm not Lonce Olivier, I'm not you know,
1073
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:11.280
any of these big stars. But it makes you feel
1074
00:52:11.280 --> 00:52:12.679
good if you've done a good job on what.
1075
00:52:12.719 --> 00:52:19.079
You were exactly. So, yeah, that's interesting. So also, you know,
1076
00:52:19.119 --> 00:52:24.039
alongside your acting, you've also moved into screenwriting, created a
1077
00:52:24.079 --> 00:52:28.320
seven part television crime drama series, Do tell me.
1078
00:52:29.840 --> 00:52:31.960
What the hell is going on? Where where did this
1079
00:52:32.039 --> 00:52:37.079
come from? It's unbelievable. I've never and I never planned it.
1080
00:52:37.079 --> 00:52:38.400
It happened.
1081
00:52:38.840 --> 00:52:40.719
That's exactly what I was saying about, when you do
1082
00:52:40.840 --> 00:52:42.280
things we don't realize we're doing it.
1083
00:52:42.679 --> 00:52:46.800
It was doing quite a quiet period before COVID, before
1084
00:52:46.920 --> 00:52:50.239
an inspector calls. I sort of thought about something I
1085
00:52:50.719 --> 00:52:52.920
don't do something. And then straight away I thought, I
1086
00:52:53.320 --> 00:52:55.079
can't do that. I'm not a writer. You know, we
1087
00:52:55.280 --> 00:52:58.800
never clue why why would I do that? But I did,
1088
00:52:59.800 --> 00:53:02.360
and I sort of started getting the groundwork for it
1089
00:53:02.400 --> 00:53:05.840
and thought of a story, the characters, and then I thought,
1090
00:53:05.960 --> 00:53:07.840
you know, the beginning, the middle, and the end of
1091
00:53:07.880 --> 00:53:12.519
the seven part thing. And people don't do that. They
1092
00:53:12.519 --> 00:53:14.079
write a pilot. That's the way you do it.
1093
00:53:14.079 --> 00:53:16.920
You write a pilot, one episode, and then you pitch
1094
00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:19.880
that and then you know, if they want it to
1095
00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:22.480
take you on board, the production company or the channel
1096
00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:25.320
or whatever, Netflix, whoever it may be, they asked you
1097
00:53:25.360 --> 00:53:26.840
to write the rest of it. If you've got a
1098
00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:29.679
if you've got a series, you know, like a bible,
1099
00:53:29.760 --> 00:53:32.199
so you know the hopes how how the episode is
1100
00:53:32.199 --> 00:53:33.679
going to go basically, but you haven't written them.
1101
00:53:34.280 --> 00:53:34.800
But I wrote.
1102
00:53:34.840 --> 00:53:39.920
I actually wrote them. And because because I've never into
1103
00:53:40.320 --> 00:53:42.719
like never trained, you know, because some people go to
1104
00:53:42.880 --> 00:53:45.199
UNI and they do college studies and that to learn
1105
00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:47.360
the screen. I'd never done that, so I was I
1106
00:53:47.400 --> 00:53:50.559
was doing it on word on the word documents, so
1107
00:53:50.599 --> 00:53:53.840
there was no format. It looked like just like a lowhold,
1108
00:53:54.119 --> 00:53:58.920
you know, drivel even though it wasn't, and I just
1109
00:53:59.039 --> 00:54:00.760
kept doing it and then I feel and.
1110
00:54:02.840 --> 00:54:04.880
Something happened and I don't know what it was.
1111
00:54:04.920 --> 00:54:07.400
I don't know if it was after you know, when
1112
00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:09.400
COVID was gone and it was so quiet with the acting.
1113
00:54:09.679 --> 00:54:11.880
So I'm going to really really try and do this again.
1114
00:54:12.400 --> 00:54:14.360
Then I thought, now and leave it anyway. So the
1115
00:54:14.440 --> 00:54:17.559
last couple of years, two years of Max, I thought,
1116
00:54:17.599 --> 00:54:18.880
now I'm going to try and get it's the best
1117
00:54:18.920 --> 00:54:24.480
it can be, which I've done, and change. You change
1118
00:54:24.480 --> 00:54:25.920
the things all the time in you're writing. It's a
1119
00:54:26.000 --> 00:54:32.559
really it's it's it's so what's the word addictive? It's
1120
00:54:32.559 --> 00:54:35.679
so so addictive once you start, it's like you can't stop,
1121
00:54:35.719 --> 00:54:38.719
and it's really really bizarre. I can't even explain the feeling.
1122
00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:41.599
I mean, you've written, so maybe you re like you've
1123
00:54:41.599 --> 00:54:43.119
written a book. I wouldn't never clear how to write
1124
00:54:43.119 --> 00:54:48.559
a book stephen format. But I did that. So that
1125
00:54:48.639 --> 00:54:50.440
was it, and I thought, Okay, what can I do now,
1126
00:54:51.360 --> 00:54:54.039
I'll write start writing something else. And so I've started
1127
00:54:54.039 --> 00:54:56.239
writing another thing which I haven't finished it, which is
1128
00:54:56.239 --> 00:54:58.840
a film screenplay, which is a totally different genre. So
1129
00:54:59.079 --> 00:55:04.199
it's it's got a it's got a Holocaust theme. That's
1130
00:55:04.239 --> 00:55:06.159
that's where part of the story is based. And then
1131
00:55:06.199 --> 00:55:09.920
it's set in modern day Switzerland. And that came about
1132
00:55:10.159 --> 00:55:13.239
just by meeting two elder ladies on holiday in our
1133
00:55:13.280 --> 00:55:15.480
hotel and they were like, they liked twins, but they weren't.
1134
00:55:15.480 --> 00:55:17.159
They were just sisters who looked really like each other,
1135
00:55:17.320 --> 00:55:20.400
very small and petique, very lovely. German didn't speak English.
1136
00:55:20.480 --> 00:55:23.000
We did speak German, so it's just like good.
1137
00:55:22.920 --> 00:55:23.559
Mogan and all that.
1138
00:55:24.599 --> 00:55:26.960
And my beharf said, it wouldn't be funny that they've
1139
00:55:26.960 --> 00:55:28.519
got like this secret that think about.
1140
00:55:28.639 --> 00:55:31.119
You know, they're they've done you know, they've been spies
1141
00:55:31.239 --> 00:55:33.119
or something. They've done this, so they've done that, and
1142
00:55:33.159 --> 00:55:35.880
I thought, yeah, okay, well maybe i'll write about that.
1143
00:55:36.199 --> 00:55:38.920
And it turned out to be totally different when started writing.
1144
00:55:38.960 --> 00:55:41.679
Once I started writing, it turned into a dotally different story.
1145
00:55:42.800 --> 00:55:46.159
And I'm really proud of that as well. With crime drama,
1146
00:55:46.400 --> 00:55:50.159
it's it's sort of taken on another life. And I
1147
00:55:50.280 --> 00:55:54.920
have because I basically got a bunch of people together.
1148
00:55:55.880 --> 00:55:59.000
We read the first three scripts, the first three parts
1149
00:55:59.039 --> 00:56:03.360
of the series, and I got feedback from them, and
1150
00:56:03.400 --> 00:56:06.960
I got feedback from a script consultant who's on board
1151
00:56:07.000 --> 00:56:10.320
would be now called Phil Lawrence, and he's written Free Standers, Casualty,
1152
00:56:10.320 --> 00:56:13.679
has written for other things. And he said to me,
1153
00:56:13.760 --> 00:56:15.360
and they all said to me, this is really good.
1154
00:56:15.800 --> 00:56:17.679
He said, it needs tweaking. You know that the first
1155
00:56:17.679 --> 00:56:19.719
episode needs tweaking because you've got to sell that. That's
1156
00:56:19.760 --> 00:56:23.039
what we'll sell it. Forget about the rest of it six, two, three, four,
1157
00:56:23.079 --> 00:56:25.440
five and six and seven. That the pilot, the first
1158
00:56:25.440 --> 00:56:28.400
episode is what we'll sell it. So I thought, Okay,
1159
00:56:28.440 --> 00:56:31.360
what can I do? No, And this is what I'm saying.
1160
00:56:31.320 --> 00:56:33.639
If this has been made like even seven years ago,
1161
00:56:33.679 --> 00:56:36.880
I would have not I would I wouldn't have done
1162
00:56:36.880 --> 00:56:39.039
what I'm doing now. I wouldn't even have entertained the
1163
00:56:39.079 --> 00:56:42.119
idea because that isn't me. I'm not a screenwriter, you know,
1164
00:56:42.599 --> 00:56:46.880
you know who am I? I'm an actor. So we
1165
00:56:47.039 --> 00:56:49.000
then went back a month later and read this is
1166
00:56:49.000 --> 00:56:51.480
only this year. We went back and because I finally
1167
00:56:51.519 --> 00:56:52.960
got to the point where I was really happy and
1168
00:56:52.960 --> 00:56:54.440
wanted people to look at it, so I had to
1169
00:56:54.440 --> 00:56:57.719
print all these scripts up. And there's like, so there's
1170
00:56:57.719 --> 00:57:01.599
seven scripts times what twelve people? So I had to
1171
00:57:01.639 --> 00:57:04.119
pay for all that to be done, but it was
1172
00:57:04.159 --> 00:57:08.199
worth it because they really like it. Then this, they've
1173
00:57:08.239 --> 00:57:10.760
seen the whole story ark you know, the beginning, midd
1174
00:57:10.800 --> 00:57:13.960
or end, and they're as invested in it as I am.
1175
00:57:14.079 --> 00:57:14.719
They wanted to come.
1176
00:57:14.599 --> 00:57:16.719
Back to the second reading to read for to read
1177
00:57:16.719 --> 00:57:21.440
the last three episodes, and so then I thought, what
1178
00:57:21.480 --> 00:57:23.960
else can we do? So I just thought, why don't
1179
00:57:23.960 --> 00:57:25.360
I just take the fur and see if I can
1180
00:57:25.559 --> 00:57:29.119
make the pilot the best it can be. And I
1181
00:57:29.280 --> 00:57:34.119
spoke to Phil Philip and he he said, yeah, just
1182
00:57:34.199 --> 00:57:35.800
you know, I'll give you feedback. So it's on its
1183
00:57:35.840 --> 00:57:37.679
fifth draft now and this is the last draft. So
1184
00:57:38.239 --> 00:57:39.840
I'm not going to change it now for the Team
1185
00:57:39.920 --> 00:57:42.039
China because I'm really happy with it. A couple of
1186
00:57:42.039 --> 00:57:45.119
little tweaks I will to do, just with small little
1187
00:57:45.119 --> 00:57:46.760
bits of dialogue, but nothing major.
1188
00:57:47.679 --> 00:57:50.440
The story is the same. And that even changed after
1189
00:57:50.480 --> 00:57:54.360
the first after the reading, the first second, after the
1190
00:57:54.360 --> 00:57:57.800
second reading, I say sorry, I thought I'm going to
1191
00:57:57.840 --> 00:58:00.760
do something different. Maybe I can't given the plot, I'm
1192
00:58:00.760 --> 00:58:03.960
gonna say I couldn't. I wanted to bring somebody back
1193
00:58:04.159 --> 00:58:06.159
who was in it in episode three or four. Bring
1194
00:58:06.199 --> 00:58:08.320
them into the first episode, which is what I've done
1195
00:58:09.079 --> 00:58:10.440
and just.
1196
00:58:10.440 --> 00:58:14.800
Maybe made it so it goes forward and forward and
1197
00:58:14.800 --> 00:58:18.159
forward and it doesn't drag, you know, but still keep
1198
00:58:18.239 --> 00:58:20.400
keeping the reality of it and not making it like
1199
00:58:20.440 --> 00:58:23.239
another crime drama where it's just people getting murdered and
1200
00:58:23.280 --> 00:58:26.119
shooting and car chases and things I wanted to I
1201
00:58:26.159 --> 00:58:29.519
wanted it to be about the people, the characters themselves,
1202
00:58:29.519 --> 00:58:32.519
the two lead characters and their families, as much as
1203
00:58:32.519 --> 00:58:39.159
the story, which which kicks off because of something that
1204
00:58:39.159 --> 00:58:42.599
happens in episode one, script one. So that's what we're doing.
1205
00:58:42.679 --> 00:58:46.920
So everybody said they'd like to be involved. So everybody
1206
00:58:47.079 --> 00:58:49.480
was at the reading, apart from one guy, my friend Ricky,
1207
00:58:49.519 --> 00:58:52.480
who can't do it and he's he's got other things
1208
00:58:52.480 --> 00:58:54.320
to do. So he's not that they didn't like it,
1209
00:58:54.360 --> 00:58:56.559
but he wants to do some other stuff. I think
1210
00:58:56.559 --> 00:58:57.519
it was a bit too dark for.
1211
00:58:57.559 --> 00:59:02.840
Him, and exactly what I was saying, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
1212
00:59:03.480 --> 00:59:03.840
it's not.
1213
00:59:03.840 --> 00:59:06.039
That dark, and I'm watching things now and I'm thinking, God,
1214
00:59:06.079 --> 00:59:11.159
this is so tame. Then, but then the director came
1215
00:59:11.239 --> 00:59:15.280
on board, who's an amazing director. Just this is just
1216
00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:18.599
to do a teaser to sell, to sell the pilot,
1217
00:59:18.719 --> 00:59:22.719
so film a teaser because obviously when you've done a series,
1218
00:59:22.760 --> 00:59:26.320
they use all the bits from the episodes to don't
1219
00:59:26.360 --> 00:59:28.880
they I'm sort of coming from the other direction, so
1220
00:59:28.920 --> 00:59:30.159
we haven't filmed anything.
1221
00:59:30.280 --> 00:59:32.440
We're just going to do certain bits from the pilot
1222
00:59:32.440 --> 00:59:35.079
episode to make a trailer so it really hits home
1223
00:59:35.440 --> 00:59:39.239
and makes people want, oh wow, this looks good. So
1224
00:59:39.320 --> 00:59:43.000
all the actors are on board, apart from Ricky. As
1225
00:59:43.000 --> 00:59:45.599
I say so, we needed a character called Jed, who
1226
00:59:45.880 --> 00:59:48.280
is this chat from tea side. He's got a fabulous
1227
00:59:48.280 --> 00:59:52.039
accent and a really lovely guy with his backstory which
1228
00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:56.559
is horrific for his life, but an absolute legend and inspiration.
1229
00:59:57.119 --> 01:00:01.360
And also the girl playing one of the wise I
1230
01:00:01.400 --> 01:00:03.159
met her at the thing with Richard. That's where I
1231
01:00:03.239 --> 01:00:06.480
met her and the so I thought, I don't think
1232
01:00:06.519 --> 01:00:08.119
Dawn should be playing.
1233
01:00:07.800 --> 01:00:08.760
Her, will switch her over.
1234
01:00:08.840 --> 01:00:11.320
She can play Sarah, and this other lady will play Kim,
1235
01:00:11.639 --> 01:00:13.440
who are the wives of the two lead characters.
1236
01:00:14.840 --> 01:00:18.400
And that's where we've got at the moment. So hopefully
1237
01:00:18.440 --> 01:00:21.920
we're going to be doing the filming in early November,
1238
01:00:21.960 --> 01:00:24.199
the first week of November, and hopefully a bit of
1239
01:00:24.199 --> 01:00:27.719
three minute trainer teaser three minutes. Obviously it's gonna cost money.
1240
01:00:28.239 --> 01:00:30.079
Yeah, of course that's another thing.
1241
01:00:30.119 --> 01:00:33.840
But I've set up a Kickstarter thing and that's dragging
1242
01:00:33.880 --> 01:00:35.519
a bit at the moment, but we'll see how that goes.
1243
01:00:38.599 --> 01:00:40.920
And everybody wants to do it, and that you know,
1244
01:00:40.960 --> 01:00:43.119
they these people, you know, I know all of them,
1245
01:00:43.159 --> 01:00:45.000
apart from two people I didn't know originally, and I
1246
01:00:45.079 --> 01:00:47.800
do now the read through as I cast them in
1247
01:00:47.880 --> 01:00:50.599
the roles, and they've all done that for nothing. They've
1248
01:00:50.639 --> 01:00:51.960
not answer a penny I get.
1249
01:00:52.039 --> 01:00:52.199
You know.
1250
01:00:52.159 --> 01:00:54.480
I've fed and watered them. They had food and you know,
1251
01:00:54.599 --> 01:00:58.119
stuff during the day, which's only love three or four
1252
01:00:58.159 --> 01:01:02.960
hours when we're but they're all still on board. It's like,
1253
01:01:03.559 --> 01:01:05.840
I'm not you know, I'm not what's his name, guy Richie.
1254
01:01:05.880 --> 01:01:08.960
I'm just me, you know, I'm not a director either.
1255
01:01:09.000 --> 01:01:11.480
But the director has come on board, who has worked
1256
01:01:11.519 --> 01:01:13.760
with two of the actresses and two of my friends,
1257
01:01:13.840 --> 01:01:16.159
one of through my trained at drama school. He's come
1258
01:01:16.159 --> 01:01:18.480
on board and he's done lots and lots of stuff
1259
01:01:18.480 --> 01:01:21.239
and he's thanked me for asking him. It's like, no,
1260
01:01:22.360 --> 01:01:24.280
I should be thanking you for doing this, you know,
1261
01:01:25.760 --> 01:01:28.199
And they're all doing it for you know, a lesser
1262
01:01:28.199 --> 01:01:30.480
fee obviously not you know, I'm not a TV production company,
1263
01:01:30.519 --> 01:01:33.760
of yeah, and that's the other thing. The I wanted
1264
01:01:33.760 --> 01:01:36.159
to have a production named company named for it, so
1265
01:01:36.719 --> 01:01:38.320
I called it Tenacious Productions.
1266
01:01:39.239 --> 01:01:39.760
Tenacious.
1267
01:01:39.760 --> 01:01:42.480
I'm quite tenacious, so yeah, that was the reason I
1268
01:01:42.519 --> 01:01:48.039
picked that fantastic And so that's happened, and we're doing
1269
01:01:48.039 --> 01:01:49.920
a read for on the twenty second of this month
1270
01:01:50.039 --> 01:01:52.679
in Wimbledon again. So we have the new couple of
1271
01:01:52.719 --> 01:01:54.599
new people who are on board, with the director being there,
1272
01:01:54.639 --> 01:01:58.480
the DP hopefully, and now the sound guy who's on board.
1273
01:01:58.519 --> 01:02:00.960
He's worked the director of photography, so they know each
1274
01:02:01.000 --> 01:02:03.719
other and they both got goody good and this stuff
1275
01:02:03.760 --> 01:02:07.639
is great. So I just it feels like a dream still,
1276
01:02:07.800 --> 01:02:10.320
which is bizarre. You know, it's I know it's happening,
1277
01:02:10.639 --> 01:02:12.679
but it's like I'm watching someone else doing It's a
1278
01:02:12.679 --> 01:02:13.239
bit surreal.
1279
01:02:13.760 --> 01:02:15.400
Yeah, I get yeah, yeah.
1280
01:02:15.480 --> 01:02:18.199
Yeah, but you know it may not ever take off
1281
01:02:18.199 --> 01:02:20.280
the ground, but I'm going to try with a pitch deck.
1282
01:02:20.360 --> 01:02:22.519
The poster that was designed was designed by a guy
1283
01:02:22.599 --> 01:02:23.679
called Bruno Tilly.
1284
01:02:23.480 --> 01:02:28.960
Who him yes, yes, yes, how yeah.
1285
01:02:29.079 --> 01:02:32.719
Richards Richard said about him, so I contacted him. Yeah,
1286
01:02:32.800 --> 01:02:35.440
and he's done this great poster for it, and and
1287
01:02:35.719 --> 01:02:39.840
I changed the tagline for the series and the pilot,
1288
01:02:40.320 --> 01:02:42.639
and Bruno is going to help me do with the
1289
01:02:42.639 --> 01:02:44.159
pitch deck because he's done them before.
1290
01:02:44.679 --> 01:02:46.760
So I need someone who knows what they're doing with
1291
01:02:46.800 --> 01:02:48.559
that to help me when I want to go to
1292
01:02:48.639 --> 01:02:50.599
a channel or want to go to a producer next,
1293
01:02:50.639 --> 01:02:51.880
you know, someday to finance it.
1294
01:02:52.719 --> 01:02:54.800
And he's going to do that with me. Bless him.
1295
01:02:54.920 --> 01:02:55.840
So incredible.
1296
01:02:56.119 --> 01:02:57.840
And I wouldn't that wouldn't have happened.
1297
01:02:57.880 --> 01:03:01.679
You know, the little cheap looking silly posted that I
1298
01:03:01.760 --> 01:03:03.960
created for it, it was like something like a five
1299
01:03:04.039 --> 01:03:05.880
year old could have done. And now he's come on
1300
01:03:05.920 --> 01:03:09.480
board and given it a professional look, you know. So
1301
01:03:09.480 --> 01:03:12.159
that's where we are. Yeah, it's it's so bizarre. It
1302
01:03:12.280 --> 01:03:14.599
is surreal. But I'm not going to stop now because
1303
01:03:15.400 --> 01:03:17.280
you know, all these people can't be wrong in what
1304
01:03:17.280 --> 01:03:20.599
they and I've got I don't know that it's the
1305
01:03:20.639 --> 01:03:21.400
name drop adolicle.
1306
01:03:21.440 --> 01:03:25.880
Now well you might as well. Gary.
1307
01:03:26.039 --> 01:03:31.400
He has got an acting coach and because he's not
1308
01:03:31.519 --> 01:03:32.920
you know, he didn't train as an active he wants
1309
01:03:32.960 --> 01:03:35.079
to get into acting in that and he's like a
1310
01:03:35.119 --> 01:03:36.119
fight fight person.
1311
01:03:36.519 --> 01:03:37.079
And his.
1312
01:03:38.719 --> 01:03:41.360
Acting coach is Michael Greco, who used to be in EastEnders.
1313
01:03:42.400 --> 01:03:44.239
So Michael.
1314
01:03:44.320 --> 01:03:46.920
I contacted Michael and he read the script and he said, yeah,
1315
01:03:46.960 --> 01:03:49.280
I'm on board, and he's only you know, he's got
1316
01:03:49.280 --> 01:03:51.480
two little bits of scenes to do, but he said,
1317
01:03:51.480 --> 01:03:53.480
it's a really good script. I really want to help
1318
01:03:53.519 --> 01:03:55.760
you out. So he's on board. And I'm also now
1319
01:03:55.800 --> 01:03:58.679
talking to a friend of Sally, who I know as well,
1320
01:03:58.760 --> 01:04:00.719
and who is the loveliest women. I don't want to
1321
01:04:00.760 --> 01:04:03.760
name her because I'm the script tonight.
1322
01:04:03.599 --> 01:04:03.679
And.
1323
01:04:05.280 --> 01:04:08.559
She's just so nice and she's like she was in
1324
01:04:08.599 --> 01:04:09.320
Footballers Wives.
1325
01:04:09.360 --> 01:04:11.199
I'm not saying she was in football as wives, and
1326
01:04:11.199 --> 01:04:14.039
she's done other stuff and she's the loveliest, loveliest woman.
1327
01:04:14.199 --> 01:04:17.920
And she's contacted me and Sally said about it and
1328
01:04:17.960 --> 01:04:19.760
she's really interested to doing it. And Sally is in
1329
01:04:19.760 --> 01:04:23.320
my thing as well, and so I might have have
1330
01:04:23.400 --> 01:04:26.239
her on ball as well, which can't help, but also
1331
01:04:26.360 --> 01:04:29.280
because they're nice people, and then right for the characters,
1332
01:04:29.360 --> 01:04:32.039
and you know, I've said to her Sunny a teaser trailer,
1333
01:04:32.039 --> 01:04:33.800
we're not making an episode of by LEPs, so she
1334
01:04:34.119 --> 01:04:36.440
probably only he's just one scene, but it's a really
1335
01:04:36.440 --> 01:04:37.719
good scene.
1336
01:04:38.039 --> 01:04:39.920
And I hadn't hadn't cast her, you know.
1337
01:04:40.199 --> 01:04:42.639
That was the the reason I did was because Sally
1338
01:04:42.679 --> 01:04:44.840
said about and I said, well, there's no role there is.
1339
01:04:45.239 --> 01:04:45.840
To play her.
1340
01:04:47.280 --> 01:04:50.159
Yeah, So that's it. So that's that's where it isn't
1341
01:04:50.159 --> 01:04:58.320
the moment really and it's there's it's a combination of stress, anxiety, pressure,
1342
01:04:59.199 --> 01:05:01.320
but also excitement, exhilaration.
1343
01:05:01.800 --> 01:05:05.719
And I'm proud of it as well.
1344
01:05:05.840 --> 01:05:09.519
Yeah, and as well as you said, so you know
1345
01:05:10.000 --> 01:05:14.559
you've built something, you know, from you know, unfortunately from
1346
01:05:14.599 --> 01:05:19.360
what you've been through. It's created who you are today. Yeah,
1347
01:05:19.440 --> 01:05:22.239
and you know, you know, sometimes we have to go
1348
01:05:22.320 --> 01:05:24.719
through through things we don't want to go through to
1349
01:05:24.920 --> 01:05:29.920
become something that we'll change our lives forever. Yeah. And
1350
01:05:29.960 --> 01:05:31.719
I will say that Richard will look after you one
1351
01:05:31.800 --> 01:05:32.280
hundred percent.
1352
01:05:32.519 --> 01:05:34.519
Yeah. Yeah, no, he's smashing. Yeah.
1353
01:05:34.760 --> 01:05:37.960
I'm going back up to support House tomorrow to see
1354
01:05:37.960 --> 01:05:41.119
if I can convince them to let me film there.
1355
01:05:41.239 --> 01:05:47.119
But really not much money, but not much money at all.
1356
01:05:47.559 --> 01:05:50.639
Yeah. Yeah, it's all about money. The money makes around,
1357
01:05:50.679 --> 01:05:52.639
doesn't it. You know. But if we if you know,
1358
01:05:52.639 --> 01:05:53.320
if we're doing this.
1359
01:05:53.360 --> 01:05:55.519
I want it to look great and the venue is amazing,
1360
01:05:55.840 --> 01:05:59.199
The grounds are stunning and it's just so right for
1361
01:05:59.280 --> 01:06:01.719
those two bits that I want to film there. So
1362
01:06:02.039 --> 01:06:05.000
fingers crossed that happens. I went to go yesterday and
1363
01:06:05.039 --> 01:06:07.159
the trains weren't running, so I got to wimbled. There
1364
01:06:07.199 --> 01:06:09.679
was no trains going in Auburns. I had to reschedule
1365
01:06:09.719 --> 01:06:10.239
it for tomorrow.
1366
01:06:10.360 --> 01:06:13.760
But yeah, usually I have to go to London from
1367
01:06:13.800 --> 01:06:18.039
Hastings to I have to go to Guy's hospital quite
1368
01:06:18.039 --> 01:06:19.480
a lot, so I have to do quite a lot
1369
01:06:19.519 --> 01:06:23.599
of traveling. Yeah do you. Yeah.
1370
01:06:23.639 --> 01:06:27.360
It's funny because Jay, who plays one of my characters,
1371
01:06:27.440 --> 01:06:28.119
one of the two male.
1372
01:06:28.400 --> 01:06:30.800
LEAs he listens, Oh nice.
1373
01:06:30.760 --> 01:06:31.800
Yeah, J Kilby.
1374
01:06:31.880 --> 01:06:35.440
I don't know if you know J Kilby Kilby, yeah.
1375
01:06:35.320 --> 01:06:37.719
K il Be why he's on a LinkedIn.
1376
01:06:37.400 --> 01:06:39.760
As well, probably connected with and that's probably why it
1377
01:06:39.800 --> 01:06:40.360
rings a well.
1378
01:06:40.480 --> 01:06:44.199
Yeah yeah yeah. So yeah, fascinating, isn't it.
1379
01:06:44.760 --> 01:06:49.280
You connect with over one hundred people literally a week. Yes, yes,
1380
01:06:49.639 --> 01:06:53.280
just crazy. It's crazy, but you know, yeah, it is,
1381
01:06:53.599 --> 01:06:55.960
it is. But you know, look listen, you've achieved so
1382
01:06:56.079 --> 01:06:58.559
much and you know your story is still being written mate.
1383
01:06:58.960 --> 01:07:02.280
Yeah, it's yeah, it's I think. You know, our lives
1384
01:07:02.280 --> 01:07:03.119
are like a book, aren't they?
1385
01:07:03.159 --> 01:07:04.840
And what's the next chapter? The next chapter? The next
1386
01:07:04.920 --> 01:07:06.840
chapter or do you want to close the book and not?
1387
01:07:07.039 --> 01:07:07.239
You know?
1388
01:07:08.119 --> 01:07:10.760
And if this doesn't work, it doesn't work. But I've tried.
1389
01:07:10.880 --> 01:07:14.679
And what's what's the saying which I like? I think
1390
01:07:15.440 --> 01:07:16.880
it's I think it's in one of the things I've
1391
01:07:16.920 --> 01:07:18.920
given you that I said about My three favorite saying
1392
01:07:18.960 --> 01:07:23.400
is about from from from small acorns mighty oaks grow
1393
01:07:23.480 --> 01:07:26.800
or something like that. It's a famous saying, and it's true. Yes,
1394
01:07:27.159 --> 01:07:31.280
you know, things you never until you try, You never
1395
01:07:31.360 --> 01:07:34.760
never know. So I can't believe I'm in this position.
1396
01:07:34.920 --> 01:07:36.360
You know that I'm doing this. You know, it may
1397
01:07:36.360 --> 01:07:39.360
fall flat, it may never go nowhere, but I'm going
1398
01:07:39.440 --> 01:07:43.599
to try to get it out there because we all
1399
01:07:43.599 --> 01:07:46.159
believe in it, and that's what's important, you know. And
1400
01:07:46.480 --> 01:07:47.840
it's not going to set the world on light. I'm
1401
01:07:47.840 --> 01:07:49.480
sure you know it's not with oscars.
1402
01:07:49.079 --> 01:07:51.880
It's not. Do you know what.
1403
01:07:51.960 --> 01:07:54.960
You'd be very amazed honestly if it, you know, you know,
1404
01:07:55.239 --> 01:07:58.400
I pray you know, I hope it does work for you, man.
1405
01:07:58.440 --> 01:07:59.519
Thank you, thank you.
1406
01:07:59.639 --> 01:08:02.320
Yeah, and it's just it's the fact that you know,
1407
01:08:02.400 --> 01:08:06.880
you've sat here and you've you've let on, you've you
1408
01:08:06.880 --> 01:08:08.960
you went deep with this and that is good and
1409
01:08:09.320 --> 01:08:12.480
that is that is the thing is that everyone's story,
1410
01:08:13.159 --> 01:08:15.280
it always has a reason, you know, and it always
1411
01:08:15.360 --> 01:08:19.000
inspires other people because you know, someone could put it
1412
01:08:19.000 --> 01:08:22.640
this way, right, I saved someone from you know, uh,
1413
01:08:23.359 --> 01:08:26.800
killing themselves. Yeah, you know, and I had that. I
1414
01:08:26.840 --> 01:08:29.760
woke up one day and I had a message saying,
1415
01:08:29.840 --> 01:08:32.960
you know, thank you, and I'll say, what for You've
1416
01:08:33.000 --> 01:08:35.359
just saved me and my family, And I was like whoa,
1417
01:08:35.439 --> 01:08:37.760
you know, like, wow, yeah, exactly, do you know what
1418
01:08:37.840 --> 01:08:44.000
I mean? Like you could exactly like your story could
1419
01:08:44.079 --> 01:08:45.920
inspire someone out there, very low man.
1420
01:08:46.359 --> 01:08:47.880
Yeah, yeah, you know.
1421
01:08:47.199 --> 01:08:50.680
I mean one of my friends, one of my Jewish
1422
01:08:50.640 --> 01:08:54.479
frenzies passed now, Brian. He he knew me when I
1423
01:08:54.520 --> 01:08:56.239
was in the dark place a lot of the time.
1424
01:08:56.960 --> 01:08:59.199
He said something, there's a dark cloud that follows you everywhere.
1425
01:08:59.319 --> 01:09:03.199
Like okay, that I can't say, but he was right.
1426
01:09:03.560 --> 01:09:05.359
He was right, you know, and I came through the
1427
01:09:05.359 --> 01:09:09.399
other side. You know, not everyone does, you know, So
1428
01:09:10.520 --> 01:09:12.680
I just you know, I just you know, I am
1429
01:09:12.680 --> 01:09:16.319
what I am now. But things happen and you either
1430
01:09:16.840 --> 01:09:19.960
deal with them or you don't. You know, sometimes it's
1431
01:09:19.960 --> 01:09:22.319
not easy. But I think we've just got to keep trying,
1432
01:09:22.399 --> 01:09:24.079
you know, you know, and I'm lucky.
1433
01:09:24.119 --> 01:09:24.239
You know.
1434
01:09:24.279 --> 01:09:27.079
Whatever happens, you know with the acting, well, whatever happens
1435
01:09:27.079 --> 01:09:29.359
with the TV thing. You know, I've got a nice life.
1436
01:09:29.399 --> 01:09:33.159
I've got a nice, great partner, supportive, I've got you know,
1437
01:09:33.279 --> 01:09:35.479
great friends and you know, a great family.
1438
01:09:35.239 --> 01:09:37.560
So exactly, and they believe in you as well.
1439
01:09:37.720 --> 01:09:39.479
Well yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that.
1440
01:09:40.359 --> 01:09:42.800
I think because deep down this back to that again,
1441
01:09:42.920 --> 01:09:46.479
I always feel like I need that that they believe
1442
01:09:46.520 --> 01:09:48.119
in me, you know, so I can believe in myself,
1443
01:09:48.199 --> 01:09:51.920
which is like a you know, it's it's I need
1444
01:09:51.920 --> 01:09:55.319
that reinforcement from them, even though I may not think it,
1445
01:09:55.439 --> 01:09:58.479
maybe I think, but subconsciously I think that's that's they're
1446
01:09:58.520 --> 01:10:02.800
still yeah, is part of my DNA, I suppose.
1447
01:10:04.520 --> 01:10:07.800
But listen, I've got no more questions to ask you.
1448
01:10:07.800 --> 01:10:12.479
You know, I'm supprised you're still awake.
1449
01:10:13.520 --> 01:10:16.760
In all, honestly, in all, honestly, I always go away
1450
01:10:16.800 --> 01:10:19.119
and you know, I well and truly think this is
1451
01:10:19.239 --> 01:10:23.039
a beautiful podcast. I really do. And I always go
1452
01:10:23.079 --> 01:10:25.880
away to my partner and when I have a good podcast,
1453
01:10:25.880 --> 01:10:29.000
I'm like, that was really good, because you know it
1454
01:10:29.039 --> 01:10:33.079
is when you have a really good conversation and you
1455
01:10:33.079 --> 01:10:37.760
you you talk to these people and they tell a story,
1456
01:10:37.920 --> 01:10:38.960
it's a beautiful feeling.
1457
01:10:39.079 --> 01:10:42.399
Yeah, And we've got stories, you know exactly. You know
1458
01:10:43.079 --> 01:10:45.399
some words than others. But we've all we've all got
1459
01:10:46.159 --> 01:10:47.159
their life journey, haven't we.
1460
01:10:48.199 --> 01:10:51.359
It all started, you know, it actually all started years
1461
01:10:51.359 --> 01:10:54.279
and years and years ago when Facebook lives used to
1462
01:10:54.319 --> 01:10:56.960
be a thing, and when you used to build connections
1463
01:10:56.960 --> 01:10:59.560
that way, and I always used to go live a
1464
01:10:59.560 --> 01:11:02.079
lot and to view people and we used to just
1465
01:11:02.199 --> 01:11:05.479
talk and we used to go really deep with you know,
1466
01:11:06.600 --> 01:11:10.079
owning up to our past and stuff like that. You know,
1467
01:11:10.159 --> 01:11:14.119
because what you put out there's no secrets, you know,
1468
01:11:14.279 --> 01:11:15.800
so no one can say to you, oh, well you
1469
01:11:15.960 --> 01:11:18.520
was this, you was that, you was this. No, you
1470
01:11:18.560 --> 01:11:21.560
can't use that. It's already out there. It's already out there,
1471
01:11:21.560 --> 01:11:22.159
you know what I mean.
1472
01:11:22.520 --> 01:11:23.680
Yeah, I totally agree.
1473
01:11:23.800 --> 01:11:25.640
And you know, for me to say that to you,
1474
01:11:25.720 --> 01:11:28.000
I mean, you know, I think you must do some
1475
01:11:28.640 --> 01:11:32.359
you must do some therapy work. You're really good and people,
1476
01:11:32.359 --> 01:11:35.520
which is helpful. We don't need to I didn't.
1477
01:11:35.640 --> 01:11:35.960
I think.
1478
01:11:36.760 --> 01:11:39.119
I think I'm going to say this is I won't
1479
01:11:39.479 --> 01:11:41.159
hard on it because I sound like I do, sound
1480
01:11:41.199 --> 01:11:44.279
like that's all right. We don't want to be loved,
1481
01:11:44.279 --> 01:11:45.880
and I think it took me a long time to
1482
01:11:46.000 --> 01:11:52.039
realize I was, which is sort of sad. But I've
1483
01:11:52.119 --> 01:11:53.880
dealt with that now, you know, and I've resolved that
1484
01:11:54.000 --> 01:11:58.279
and got through that. So if I can help somebody else,
1485
01:11:58.319 --> 01:12:01.880
you know, just hearing that little phrases, no, that's all,
1486
01:12:01.960 --> 01:12:04.880
that's that's important. I think we have to get back
1487
01:12:04.880 --> 01:12:07.119
in life sometimes if we can. We aren't aware of that,
1488
01:12:07.199 --> 01:12:10.079
but I think, you know, if I can help somebody else,
1489
01:12:10.239 --> 01:12:12.520
not me, I mean, I don't where lif but you know,
1490
01:12:12.760 --> 01:12:15.079
you say it does help people if we talk about things,
1491
01:12:15.119 --> 01:12:18.279
and somebody else might hear that and say, oh, well
1492
01:12:19.039 --> 01:12:20.960
you know yeah, because.
1493
01:12:20.960 --> 01:12:26.279
It is a yeah, it's all. It's all we do.
1494
01:12:26.319 --> 01:12:29.760
We do. We do these shows to carry a torch,
1495
01:12:30.199 --> 01:12:34.039
you know, which is amazing, you know, and you know
1496
01:12:34.159 --> 01:12:37.159
sometimes you know as well, I sit there and I think,
1497
01:12:37.239 --> 01:12:40.800
because as well, you know, what is my purpose? You know,
1498
01:12:41.600 --> 01:12:43.560
sometimes I don't realize I do the things I do
1499
01:12:43.600 --> 01:12:46.319
when I'm doing the podcast, But I do you know
1500
01:12:46.479 --> 01:12:49.600
without you know, sounding big edded but it is kind
1501
01:12:49.600 --> 01:12:52.239
of you know, walking around with a torch to try
1502
01:12:52.279 --> 01:12:53.800
and shine on people's lives.
1503
01:12:56.119 --> 01:12:57.520
I would never have thought I was going to say
1504
01:12:57.600 --> 01:12:58.159
to those things.
1505
01:12:58.359 --> 01:12:59.960
Yeah, I would never thought that was going to be
1506
01:13:00.800 --> 01:13:04.319
so that that's that's a big KU loss to you
1507
01:13:04.399 --> 01:13:06.960
because it made me feel comfortable to talk about it.
1508
01:13:07.000 --> 01:13:09.279
You know. That's that's what we do. I mean, this
1509
01:13:09.359 --> 01:13:12.199
is why I always say every single interview that we do,
1510
01:13:12.239 --> 01:13:14.479
we always ask is anything you do not want us
1511
01:13:14.479 --> 01:13:15.079
to talk about?
1512
01:13:15.319 --> 01:13:15.520
Yeah?
1513
01:13:16.159 --> 01:13:17.000
You know what you did?
1514
01:13:17.159 --> 01:13:18.079
Which you did to me enough?
1515
01:13:18.119 --> 01:13:20.680
Exactly I always do And.
1516
01:13:20.720 --> 01:13:23.359
What did I say?
1517
01:13:24.720 --> 01:13:25.039
All right?
1518
01:13:26.359 --> 01:13:29.119
I don't mention that I've got a bit overweight now.
1519
01:13:30.640 --> 01:13:33.079
And also because the other thing is I had cancer
1520
01:13:33.119 --> 01:13:36.840
three years ago. Yeah, that was another thing heard or
1521
01:13:36.880 --> 01:13:39.479
to jump over. But I was lucky they caught it early.
1522
01:13:39.600 --> 01:13:43.239
I was lucky. And I mean, and you know that
1523
01:13:43.359 --> 01:13:45.319
was another thing that makes you realize life too short.
1524
01:13:45.479 --> 01:13:48.119
Just get on and do something. You don't put it off?
1525
01:13:48.520 --> 01:13:48.960
Do it?
1526
01:13:49.239 --> 01:13:51.920
You know? Is it something that you want to bring
1527
01:13:52.039 --> 01:13:54.319
awareness to people right now? As you Yeah?
1528
01:13:54.319 --> 01:13:58.319
Why not? Why not let's do that, yeah, because it's
1529
01:13:58.680 --> 01:14:03.479
it's not really spoken by. It was blader cancer. I
1530
01:14:03.680 --> 01:14:04.920
was in Spain, and.
1531
01:14:07.479 --> 01:14:10.960
Men every man, it's usually my age, but it can
1532
01:14:11.000 --> 01:14:14.119
be younger men as well and older. But if you
1533
01:14:14.279 --> 01:14:16.920
see a bit of blood in your urine, yeah, always
1534
01:14:16.960 --> 01:14:18.680
always check you urine once a month, you know.
1535
01:14:18.680 --> 01:14:19.560
I don't spend a.
1536
01:14:21.079 --> 01:14:24.039
Petrudish and a thing to check it, but just check
1537
01:14:24.079 --> 01:14:28.520
it as you you know, passing water, because I didn't
1538
01:14:28.520 --> 01:14:30.880
think of mine as anything. And then I came back,
1539
01:14:31.000 --> 01:14:32.680
this was in Spain. Then two weeks later I came
1540
01:14:32.680 --> 01:14:37.600
back in the shower and this clot came out from
1541
01:14:37.640 --> 01:14:41.960
my my down below bits and it obviously dispacorated on
1542
01:14:42.039 --> 01:14:45.880
the shower you know floor thing. It looked bigger than
1543
01:14:45.920 --> 01:14:48.079
worse than it probably was by the time. It really
1544
01:14:48.079 --> 01:14:50.920
freaked me out, but I was in I was in
1545
01:14:50.960 --> 01:14:53.479
hospital within a couple of weeks and having it removed.
1546
01:14:54.159 --> 01:14:56.640
But mine was in the bladder lining. It wasn't actually
1547
01:14:56.680 --> 01:15:01.800
in the bladder. And so yeah, so anyone out there
1548
01:15:01.800 --> 01:15:07.000
listening what subject was, just just check your when you
1549
01:15:07.079 --> 01:15:09.199
pass you know, when you when you stand there having
1550
01:15:09.199 --> 01:15:12.680
a Jimmy riddle, just check your there's no blood there
1551
01:15:12.680 --> 01:15:18.039
because if you catch it early, it's so durable. Yeah,
1552
01:15:18.720 --> 01:15:20.079
mine was on the line, and if it would be
1553
01:15:20.119 --> 01:15:22.119
in the bladder, it's a longer story.
1554
01:15:22.199 --> 01:15:26.159
But I was very lucky, so exactly. Yeah, and it's
1555
01:15:26.159 --> 01:15:28.920
nothing to be ashamed of as well. And you know,
1556
01:15:29.840 --> 01:15:33.880
I love you, Broy, honestly, thank you so much. No, honestly, Yeah,
1557
01:15:33.920 --> 01:15:35.279
because people men don't.
1558
01:15:35.680 --> 01:15:36.279
Men are the worse.
1559
01:15:36.359 --> 01:15:37.800
Men don't check exactly.
1560
01:15:37.840 --> 01:15:39.119
Women have learned to check, you know.
1561
01:15:40.520 --> 01:15:43.520
You know, my partner blessed her. She she used to
1562
01:15:43.520 --> 01:15:46.439
do the shows with me. Yeah, you know, she she's
1563
01:15:46.439 --> 01:15:48.399
going through a lot lesser and she's had a few
1564
01:15:48.439 --> 01:15:54.000
cancer scares as well, and she's overcome them exactly. But
1565
01:15:54.279 --> 01:15:56.319
you know, you know, going back to you know, men
1566
01:15:56.399 --> 01:15:59.479
checking themselves. You know, I never used to do that,
1567
01:15:59.520 --> 01:16:01.920
but I started to do that now because it is
1568
01:16:01.960 --> 01:16:05.600
the most important thing, because if you catch it, you
1569
01:16:05.640 --> 01:16:07.359
can sort it exactly.
1570
01:16:07.600 --> 01:16:09.800
Yeah, it's it's we don't. Men don't think of it.
1571
01:16:09.800 --> 01:16:12.479
You know, it's not you know, testicular cancer. Men can
1572
01:16:12.520 --> 01:16:15.159
get breast cancer. You don't think of that. I would never,
1573
01:16:15.319 --> 01:16:18.760
you know, I mean, you know, mine was caught early.
1574
01:16:18.840 --> 01:16:19.520
I was very lucky.
1575
01:16:19.560 --> 01:16:22.119
You know, some people, you know, it's like prostate cancer,
1576
01:16:22.159 --> 01:16:25.159
you know, keep having checks because because you know, they
1577
01:16:25.199 --> 01:16:28.239
catch it earlier. Okay, it's just you know, unfortunately if
1578
01:16:28.239 --> 01:16:30.760
you don't, it's not But yeah, that would be my.
1579
01:16:33.199 --> 01:16:33.680
Ending note.
1580
01:16:33.720 --> 01:16:35.840
A nice bit of advice to check you urine when
1581
01:16:35.880 --> 01:16:38.520
you go only once a month. I'm not I'm not
1582
01:16:38.600 --> 01:16:40.199
picky on how long you have to helen much you
1583
01:16:40.199 --> 01:16:40.760
have to check it.
1584
01:16:41.680 --> 01:16:44.079
And the reason why I wanted to cover that bit
1585
01:16:44.159 --> 01:16:46.119
as well is because we recently just lost a good
1586
01:16:46.159 --> 01:16:47.279
friends to cancer as well.
1587
01:16:47.359 --> 01:16:48.760
So I'm so sorry.
1588
01:16:48.760 --> 01:16:51.159
No, man, you don't have to be and and you
1589
01:16:51.199 --> 01:16:53.279
know that it's so important guys.
1590
01:16:53.720 --> 01:16:55.920
And it's one in two people will have cancer or
1591
01:16:55.960 --> 01:16:58.840
become a cancer, not just close somebody. One in two
1592
01:16:58.840 --> 01:17:03.000
people gets cancer. That's a lot of people and obviously
1593
01:17:03.039 --> 01:17:08.079
different types, but you know exactly, But yeah, that's sort
1594
01:17:08.079 --> 01:17:09.680
of that sort of shook me up as well. And
1595
01:17:09.720 --> 01:17:12.560
I thought, you know, it's really strange when they diagnoed
1596
01:17:12.560 --> 01:17:17.119
when they told me it was like when I started talking. First,
1597
01:17:17.159 --> 01:17:20.279
I started tearing up and getting like that. Next five
1598
01:17:20.319 --> 01:17:23.760
minutes we were laughing. It's a really strange thing because
1599
01:17:23.800 --> 01:17:26.399
he said it was curable and it was really early stages.
1600
01:17:26.479 --> 01:17:29.079
So straight away I was like, oh, I'm lucky, and
1601
01:17:29.119 --> 01:17:32.720
then I am lucky. There's people who are not lucky.
1602
01:17:32.800 --> 01:17:35.760
So you know, you have to take those things and
1603
01:17:36.479 --> 01:17:38.760
county blessings. As I say, I've got to sound really
1604
01:17:38.760 --> 01:17:42.479
love preaching, and I don't mean to be it's just yeah,
1605
01:17:42.760 --> 01:17:44.920
so just check yourselves, guys and girls.
1606
01:17:45.079 --> 01:17:47.640
Everybody exactly that, man.
1607
01:17:48.039 --> 01:17:50.680
But obviously you know other than that, you know, a
1608
01:17:50.720 --> 01:17:53.520
massive thank you for coming on is sharing your story.
1609
01:17:53.720 --> 01:17:56.239
And I know for a fact you're going to shine
1610
01:17:56.279 --> 01:17:59.199
a light on someone's life right now. I'm sure they
1611
01:17:59.239 --> 01:18:00.479
will be you know.
1612
01:18:01.079 --> 01:18:02.840
You know, if we can help somebody, you never any
1613
01:18:02.920 --> 01:18:04.560
part of life, you know, we can do that.
1614
01:18:04.560 --> 01:18:06.479
That's there's That's what it's about at the.
1615
01:18:06.520 --> 01:18:08.319
End of the day, you know exactly. So what what
1616
01:18:08.359 --> 01:18:10.600
I'll do after show, I'll drop you an email. I'll
1617
01:18:10.600 --> 01:18:12.920
give you my WhatsApp number as well, so I welcome
1618
01:18:12.960 --> 01:18:14.279
to you know, all right, man, you.
1619
01:18:14.319 --> 01:18:17.600
Can touch it and i'd be nice, and I wish
1620
01:18:17.640 --> 01:18:21.680
you all the best. You know, you have half and
1621
01:18:21.720 --> 01:18:23.520
I hope she's cancer.
1622
01:18:23.199 --> 01:18:26.800
Free and all that, oh yes, oh yeah, and good.
1623
01:18:26.640 --> 01:18:30.359
Health to you and carrying the great work. Honestly, I
1624
01:18:30.359 --> 01:18:32.479
feel I feel like I've spoken to somebody I've known
1625
01:18:32.479 --> 01:18:35.119
for years and that's but that's that's an art. That's
1626
01:18:35.159 --> 01:18:36.319
a really good art, you know, to be able to
1627
01:18:36.359 --> 01:18:38.720
talk to people like that, it really is because obviously
1628
01:18:38.760 --> 01:18:40.119
I don't need spoken to your emails.
1629
01:18:40.159 --> 01:18:43.199
So yeah, thank you. It's been a naturally pleasure.
1630
01:18:43.920 --> 01:18:46.560
And just before before I do go, is that there
1631
01:18:46.600 --> 01:18:48.960
is a few podcasts that I've done before and I'm like,
1632
01:18:49.560 --> 01:18:53.319
you know, they're really hard to talk to, Like it
1633
01:18:53.399 --> 01:18:57.880
can be very stern and yeah, very hard talking. I'm like, whoa,
1634
01:18:58.159 --> 01:19:01.119
how do I overcome this? But broke it? Are broken?
1635
01:19:01.359 --> 01:19:03.399
And he started laughing and we blended. You know.
1636
01:19:03.800 --> 01:19:04.239
There you go.
1637
01:19:04.439 --> 01:19:07.119
Yeah, if you laugh, if you've got to, You've got
1638
01:19:07.119 --> 01:19:09.279
to laugh. Even in the darkest times, you have to laugh.
1639
01:19:09.319 --> 01:19:09.479
You know.
1640
01:19:09.600 --> 01:19:14.239
It's you know, we're only here once. Well hopefully we
1641
01:19:14.399 --> 01:19:16.560
go somewhere else after, but until we.
1642
01:19:16.520 --> 01:19:21.000
Go, exactly, can I can I just can I just plange.
1643
01:19:20.760 --> 01:19:24.479
My seat very quickly. It's it's going to be late
1644
01:19:24.479 --> 01:19:25.079
for the kickstart.
1645
01:19:25.159 --> 01:19:27.039
I don't know when your podcast going, it doesn't matter,
1646
01:19:27.319 --> 01:19:29.239
but just to keep an eye out for it. It's
1647
01:19:29.239 --> 01:19:34.319
called Metamorphosis seven, part of crime drama, and it's got heart.
1648
01:19:34.439 --> 01:19:37.680
It's not it's not Mobland, it's there's less swearing in
1649
01:19:38.079 --> 01:19:39.479
it than Molt.
1650
01:19:41.000 --> 01:19:43.159
But yeah, so just keep an eye out for it.
1651
01:19:43.199 --> 01:19:47.199
And yeah, you never know if even if that inspires
1652
01:19:47.239 --> 01:19:50.000
somebody else to take up doing something, you know, because
1653
01:19:50.119 --> 01:19:53.279
if I can do it, you know, it's anybody can
1654
01:19:53.279 --> 01:19:54.920
do it. And I don't mean that in a detrimental
1655
01:19:54.960 --> 01:19:57.800
way to myself. Anybody can do anything if they put
1656
01:19:57.840 --> 01:19:58.399
their minds to it.
1657
01:19:58.520 --> 01:20:02.600
You never know exactly life is for the surprises sometimes
1658
01:20:02.600 --> 01:20:04.680
exactly what I was saying, And just to let you
1659
01:20:04.720 --> 01:20:06.600
know that, because obviously I like to let people know.
1660
01:20:07.640 --> 01:20:10.039
So what happens with the podcast after we've done them.
1661
01:20:10.079 --> 01:20:13.439
We put in a WhatsApp group exclusively for five days.
1662
01:20:13.479 --> 01:20:16.000
So if anyone wants to listen to the podcast or
1663
01:20:16.119 --> 01:20:18.880
our future podcast is to go over to our website
1664
01:20:19.520 --> 01:20:21.560
and then click on the WhatsApp button. It will just
1665
01:20:21.640 --> 01:20:25.079
drop down and then join our group. Everyone's number is
1666
01:20:25.079 --> 01:20:28.640
completely private, so no one can grab your number and
1667
01:20:28.680 --> 01:20:31.199
start messaging all that. It's literally just only I can
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put things into that group. Okay, that's what it is.
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So I'll make it exclusive for five days. After that
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it would be available everywhere else.
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01:20:37.920 --> 01:20:40.399
Okay, so that's great. So if I want to delete it
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because I sound like an idiot, you can do that.
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It's your right, bro. Honestly, no, no, I always to
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make it all clear, is that anyone that comes on
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the podcast, if they say they want to delete it,
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I delete it because.
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We all want to impress people. But I don't want
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people to think I'm like an arrogant.
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No, there's no there was nothing now the truth. Nothing
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arrogant or narcissistic. There, my friend, you sounds so classid bro.
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Honestly, that's a pleasure talking to you.
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Honestly, to mate, all right, you take care of yourself.
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I'll drop you an email and yeah, all the best, mate.
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Thanks thanks for talking, Thanks by bye.
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01:21:30.479 --> 01:21:33.239
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01:21:35.880 --> 01:21:39.159
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