Vision Without Eyes: Unlocking the Hidden Powers of Human Consciousness

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The following podcast is part of the Mind, Body, Spirit
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dot fm podcast network. Live the life you truly want
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experience the Gena Effect. I'm Vincent Jenna, psychic therapist, medium
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and spiritual teacher. Become Unstoppable. Learn the secret That's holding
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you Back. Hello everyone, and welcome to the Gena Effect.
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I'm your host, Vincent Jenna, psychic therapist, spiritual teacher and
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author of the Secret That's Holding You Back? And you
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know me, I like to talk about information that is
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going to transform people's lives. That's why we're here. That's
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what I call the Gena Effect, right, And I bring
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in as much information as possible to help you do that.
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And today today is an extremely special day because we're
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going to be talking about something I have not talked
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about before. I have never had a guest on who
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is actually going to talk about the most unbelievable transformative
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ability that we have. Now. You know, I've taught about
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psychic ability, and I've talked about mediumship ability, and I
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told you everyone has that, everyone has the capacity to
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learn that. But this gentleman took it one step further,
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or I would say a big leap further. So I
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want to introduce you to somebody that I met at
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the PSI the side games that we did in August
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of twenty five. It was absolutely fantastic event where we
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got together people who are actually competing in with their
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psychic abilities and to see how far that they can go.
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And they were testing telekinesis, they were testing remote viewing,
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they were testing telepathy everything. And then and one of
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the students of this course came up and she demonstrated
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the most unbelievable ability that we all sat in the
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audience like deers in headlights. We were like, are you serious?
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And the funny thing is is that when he's talking
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about it, you'll be doing the same thing, because we
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all went, no, that's not no, no, there's got to
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be something going on there. There's a trick to this.
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Don't you think there's a trick. There's got to be
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a trick. There's no trick to this. This is amazing,
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Holy cow. And the first thing I said is I
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got to take this course. I got to go to it.
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So yes, we'll be talking about of course, sure, but
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you've got to understand this ability. So this gentleman that
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I want to introduce you to right now is Rob Freeman,
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and he is the founder of Vision Without Eyes. That's right,
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Vision without Eyes, and so it's an experiential training program
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that's focused on developing what is often referred to as
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mind sight, the ability to perceive information without relying on
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the physical eyes. Let me tell you something and when
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you get to my age and the eyes go off,
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man or man, would I like to rely on something
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other than these physical eyes? Right? So, over the past
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eight years, Rob has worked with hundreds of participants, both
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cited and blind blind, guiding them through structured exercises designed
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to expand perception and awareness. I mean, his work just
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combines training, live demonstration, ongoing support to help individuals explore
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their intuitive and sensory perceptions and abilities. Right. And so
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he's going to talk about that. I can go on
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and on explaining this, but I want to introduce that
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gentleman to you right now because he's going to just
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blow your mind during this podcast. So I have to
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welcome Rob. Thank you so much for taking the time
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out to join me here on the Jet Effect. It's
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great to have you.
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Thank you so much, Vincent, and I really appreciate you
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having me on your program.
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Oh man, oh, man, I had to. I was so
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impressed and blown away by what we experienced. Look, I've
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been in this business and I've been working at it
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as a spiritual teacher psychic medium for over forty three years,
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so that's giving away my age, right, So I've seen everything, well,
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at least I thought I saw everything, and since we're
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going to be talking about vision without eyes and apparently
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I didn't see everything. And I have that psychic ability,
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so there is a part of me that sees, but
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not in the way that we experienced. You at the
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side game in Charlottesville. It was just, like I said,
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mind blowing. So could you just explain first of all,
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what mind sight is and vision without eyes?
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Sure, So there's two levels of mindset when we take
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people into the week long course, and it's an in
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person course. You know, you can teach this online, but
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it's just not the same. We can bring people through
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to the intuitive level online, but to actually be able
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to see in real time without your eyes through a blindfold,
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you already need to come to an in person seminar.
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There's something about the energy, the enthusiasm, something that maybe
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even happens at the quantum level, but basically Vincent. What
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happens is we take people through various different exercisis is
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to show them that they can do something that is
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you know, you might say psychic. So we bring them
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to the intuitive level of mind sight. Now what is
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that you will start sensing? For example, if you had
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your eyes closed even right now, you want to do
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a little demo.
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Oh definitely, I'll go with you. Okay, go ahead, I'm willing.
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Okay, Okay, let's do it. I didn't know this was coming.
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Three different colors here, okay, okay. So this is blue,
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all right, see blue. Close your eyes for a second
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and just visualize that that's blue. This one is yellow.
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Open your eyes, see the yellow. Okay, So open your
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eyes and see the yellow and then visualize it. Okay,
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I'm taking a chance here. Now this one is pink.
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So visualize this one. Open your eyes, see the pink.
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Close them again and visualize the pink. So now you
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know there's three colors. Now, your mind sight intuitive level
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is always running. It always has been running ever since
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little boy. This is the level that we start into
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the classes at. Okay. Now you may or may not
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get this, Okay, So you got your eyes closed, I'm
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gonna shuffle the cards and it's gonna be one of
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them that goes in your screen. Which one do you
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feel it is? You could get a very hint of
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the color. You could see like a very it's like
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a fog. Now, don't concentrate.
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Just know I'm not I'm not. I'm making sure that
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I'm not seeing through my eyes and I want everybody
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to know that I don't see anything. And Rob, you
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do realize you're also testing my psychic ability here, you
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do realize that. Okay, yes, okay, all right, So I
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have to tell you what was interesting is I almost
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saw you moving around blue and a yellow card, and
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the first impression, well, I don't want to say impression.
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I want to say what I'm seeing is blue.
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Okay, blue is the one in my other hand. Okay,
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yellow is the one I was showing. Now here's what
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I want to tell you. At the intuitive level, mind
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sight loves to play little games. Okay, your mindsight already
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knew it was yellow, but it wanted to play a
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little trick on you because it is like that little
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boy that's still inside you, and it says, I'm gonna
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give what Rob had in his other hand.
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Well, people, I saw well that. Why do you think
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I said, I saw the blue in the yellow? Yes, yes,
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I said that right away. I know it's blue in
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the yellow. So and you know what. The other part
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that we try, I have to try to probably get
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out of the way of blue happens to be my
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favorite color, and that blue is my favorite color. So
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and I'm wearing blue, so I already have an agenda, right,
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and the blue stuck in my head. But I did
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see the color is flesh blue and yellow? You did, right,
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And you know that's wow. I'm impressed with that much
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because I saw both of those.
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And you didn't know this was coming. We didn't know, right, No, no, no,
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so you didn't know, so you knew that it was
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blue or yellow. So well done on that.
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I will take that. Well. So that's the way I start.
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I can't imagine how I would end.
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Yeah, And so we take people through that intuitive level.
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We start with comparisons of colors, sensing the colors. Will
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even have them feel the paper and say, you know,
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what do you feel does it do you even get
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like a taste in your mouth or something, or do
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you get a sense in your body? And we work
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with all your senses. And then so as we work
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through the beginning of the seminar, then when your partner
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is holding up a color, whether you have your eyes
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closed or your mask on, ninety percent of the time
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you'll get it correct. Okay. Then we move on.
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Go ahead, Yeah, no, no, no, you go ahead. I'm
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just blown away, so go ahead. Sure.
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So then we take people through symbols like, for example,
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you know the symbols we have salt, right, and yeah,
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we have solid and opens. There's seven of them, and
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we'll do the same thing there. We'll get them used
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to the actual symbols what they're realized, and that you know,
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their mind sight already knows. And then we'll hold them
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up with eyes closed. And we moved to the masks. Okay,
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and you can have your eyes open or close in
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the mask. But then we will start working with colors
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and symbols in the mask, and people will have a
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strange thing happen. Some people will actually happens about the
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third day usually, and some people will say, I remember
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in our very first class we ever did, the one
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girl says there's a hole in my mask, and we
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went up and we're feeling it. There's no hole in
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your mask. She says, I want a new mask. There's
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a hole in that. We took it off. We said, look,
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there's no hole, and she says, I'm seeing as if
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there's a hole in the mask. That's what it can
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look like for some people. Okay, it looks like you're
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looking through a tiny little hole. As you move around,
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you can see like I can see your face through
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the tiny little windowor hole in my finger. So that's
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how it can start to appear.
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So other people squinting, it's like you know when you
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squint with your regular eyes. And probably she would have
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to learn how to just trust and open more and
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that window will open more, because that's what I even say.
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With your psychic ability, you can see some things and
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sometimes they're just so small and slight. But the more
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they work at it, the more it opens up. Is
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it Can it be like that?
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Yes, it is like a lot of time you'll get
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more than one little spot opening like typically for a
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lot of people, you'll get like little stars appearing, okay,
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and then one of those stars that you look through
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and bear in mind your mask is all plastic. And
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some people say, oh, they're looking through the corner by
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their nose or underneath, not even talking about that. I'm
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talking about directly in front through the plastic. You'll see
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some stars, and then typically what happens is one of
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those stars you'll be able to see a color through,
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Like if I hold up one of the colors, you'll say,
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that looks like yellow. Yes, it is yellow or pink
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or blue. And then over time through our class people
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will get more stars that you'll be able to see
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the colors through. And then one of those stars typically
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gets bigger, and it's almost like you're looking through a
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hole or a window the size of a pee. Okay,
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and then you'll get more of those, and for some
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people it becomes like Swiss cheese. You'll have several windows
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around your visual field and you can look through any
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one of them. Now here's the crazy thing, Vincent. You're
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not looking with your eyes. It's falling directly to your brain.
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That's the part that fascinated me the most people have
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to understand this. Now, just to back up, I saw
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one of those masks. I held it in my hand.
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It has foam all around the outside and it's not penetrable,
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so there's no peripheral vision whatsoever. It lays completely flat
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against your face and nose and bridge. So you know,
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people are thinking, oh, okay, you're looking out from underneath here.
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You know, you put the blind fold here. It's not
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a blindfold, it's a mass that actually conforms to your faith.
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I saw that and when you put that up and
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hold that up, it's blackness. You know that it is.
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And then what we do further is we take it
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to the next level. We use eye patches. So the
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folks will put eye patches on that are completely sealed,
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and they put their masks back on and their window
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starts opening with the patches on as well. Because some people,
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you know, can have issues with their own brain. They'll
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you know, they'll be seeing with their mind sight, their
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real time advanced mind sight, but their their brain will say, well,
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but this is impossible. So okay, you think maybe you're
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cheating that you're looking somehow around. Yeah, we give them
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eye patches, okay, and we put them on and they
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start seeing through both okay. And then some of our
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advanced students we go further, will actually take a black
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sheet of paper like construction paper, put velcro on the
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mask and PLoP this paper in front of that, so
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you have your patches, your mask, and the paper and
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they start to see things absolutely colors that ye shapes. Yes.
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And before we go on further about that's the training
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portion of it. I really want to talk about the
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concept of it, because I'm sure people out there that
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are listening right now are going, wait a minute, you're
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still telling me that you can see Let me. Let
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me just explain briefly why I was sitting in the
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audience and I watched this demonstration, and actually it was
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there were four contestants up on the stage and they
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were all in their own little space, blocked off, nobody
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can see anybody else, and they all had these blindfolds on,
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which was amazing. Then in front of them were a
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peg board with four different colors and four rows, right,
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so now we're talking about twelve pegs, and all the
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colors were mixed up, like one row may have been red, blue,
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yellow green, and then the other one was yellow, red, green, blue, whatever.
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They were all mixed up there. And then they had
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a box of forty eight little wooden donuts that all
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had the same colors, and their job was to see
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while they were blindfolded how many colors they could put
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on the correct color peg. So, in other words, they
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had to take a blue donut and put it on
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a blue color peg. Now, those donuts were all mixed
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up in the box. They were all shaken, all right.
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The host he just went around, he shook all the boxes.
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They opened it up, and they timed it, timed it
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and said go and they pick that up and had
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to try to feel it in some way. Now, not
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all of them. Only one of them that we did
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not know was trained by vision without eyes, and that
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wasn't fair that you threw her in there like that. Okay,
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But we're watching the other ones and they're like, okay,
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so they're getting one. Now we're watching everything is being
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shown on monitors to the audience, and we're like, oh,
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he got one. And we were excited he got one,
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we got two. Oh, that one over there, he got three.
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We were really excited until we were watching Dahlia right
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in the middle there, and she was it was as
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if she did not have anything on her right. She
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picked up put on, picked up put on, a matter
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of fact, I believe she got every that entire board
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filled in less than twenty seconds, just one right after another.
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However long it took it to pick up the donut
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and put it on the peg, that's how long it took.
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And every one of the one hundred percent accurate, which
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is beyond the chance. Okay, the one the two you
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can throw in there, that was chance that they got it.
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There's always this statistical you know, average that you got
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to average out right, but there's no way that you
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could disprove one hundred percent. She got it right. Then
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she did a demonstration and stood up and no matter
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how any of you tried to trick her, made her
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turn around right and you were picking up colored board
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just like you had. Now she's picking the color, no problem.
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Not only that, but she'll turn around and she'll say,
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what you just what I just did? Partially she'll say, oh,
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you got yellow up over here, but you're holding blue
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in the other hand over here. You're about ready to
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pull it out. And there he pulled it out, or
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they didn't tell her. They got two people and they
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moved her all the way on one side of the auditorium.
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There on the other side of the auditorium, holding up
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two different colors. And she turns around and she goes
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red blue like nothing. Rob, you got to tell us
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how did you come up with this? Where did you
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come I know you shared that story with me. You
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have to share a bit of it because that's the
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amazing part.
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Sure. So you know, as many people know, my other
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passion is UFOs. I mean, I had a sighting when
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I was a kid and in my town, sorry Ontario.
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One was going back across in the sky and I
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saw it, and in the paper the next day over
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two hundred people had seen the same one. And so
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I never worried about talking about U folks because what
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I saw was documented in the newspaper. And you know,
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in the last ten years we've been traveling around the world.
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I've been to over twenty countries. We've interviewed hundreds on
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podcasts and everything else, just like you here. And one
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of the people we ran into when I got back
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from Australia, Leoni A Pelt. She sent me a video
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of kids in her backyard running around with masks on,
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playing hide and go seek as if they could see
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each other. And I this minute. This video went on
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for about a minute, and I wrote her back and
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I says, Leoni, is this a joke or is this real?
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Because if it's real, I want to do it. She
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wrote me right back, and she says, it's real. I've
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taught my grandkids to see without their eyes and they're
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playing hide and go seek. Yeah. So I went to
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there's a teacher in Ottawa, Karen Osborne. I went and
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met with her three others of us, four of us
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together went. We learned over the weekend a little bit.
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We just got started, and then a friend of mine
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and myself we started practicing. And we didn't know who
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to literally learn from, because it's lady in Ottawa. At
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the time, she only taught kids, and she didn't even
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know if she could teach adults. I only saw one
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color the whole weekend long. So we started practicing and
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we found by trial and error what we had to
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do to make this happen. We found that things like laughter,
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feeling good, having fun, playing, just being like a kid
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kind of reconnects you to that original child you still
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have in you, and that is where your mindsight is. Okay,
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you can kind of say, okay, we have our left brain,
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we have our right brain. Love. This is metaphorical our
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left brain being that intellectual reasoning logical intelligence side, that
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ego based side. Then there's this other area of our brain.
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Some people say the right brain. You don't have to
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say left or right, just say another area of your
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brain where you have your intuitive, creative sensing side.
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Okay, and that's.
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If you can get yourself there. You can do this
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in fact, In fact, many people come to me, friends
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and so on, and we'll just be at my house here,
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we'll do less than an hour, and I can get
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them seeing at the intuitive level every single time. There's
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not a single person that I can't get to the
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intuitive level one to one within an hour. So we
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just did more training and we got to the point
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where we got our seeing in real time windows open,
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and seeing in real time is where you're actually seeing
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with your brain. You can have your eyes open or close,
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you can put a patch, you can put a mask
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on sheets of paper in front, but as you look around,
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it's like you're seeing in real time. And that's what
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we want the blind people to have. They are the
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ones that are really really neat.
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Right.
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We've got several people that.
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Were treating that that's amazing and it's fantastic for them
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because if they have the chance to see what they
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haven't seen before. I can't believe, you know, it would
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be incredibly transformative for them and such a blessing this is.
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It's kind of yeah, I don't want to make it
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sound like you know over the top of this really
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is God's work. I mean, it's when you're turning people
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within and they's getting to experience a greater part of them.
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It's not an outside forced doing that. It's an inside
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for us doing that. So how did you develop though
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the actual program that you're teaching now? How? I mean
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it was a trial by How long did it take you.
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To do that? Well, I've been doing this now for
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eight years, and it really took us a long time
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because it's kind of like you know, Edison who invented
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the light bulb. He took I believe it was close
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to two thousand different things before he found the light bulb,
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did a lot of trial an error. We just didn't
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know what to do, and we tried things and we
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discovered things that work. So the program that we do
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today is based on all the things that we discovered. Now,
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we did find other trainers, We got with them, we
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met with them in person, we met with him online
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and we learned even more, and then we kind of
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cherry picked all the things that seemed to work from
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all the things that we also picked up from these
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other people. So today's program is a combination of all
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the things we discovered and all the things that we
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found from other trainers as well.
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Vincent, Well, that's fantastic, you know. Quite honestly, I have
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not heard about this before until I've seen you, and
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I'm glad that it worked that way because I feel
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that you truly have put it all together for people,
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and the way you explain it, and the work that
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you've done, and the demonstrations that you've done, the students
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that you've brought on. I mean, I just it's been
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an amazing outcome. So then here's the magic bullet question
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is why I understand Obviously for blind people, we can
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see what the great advantage is. Okay, so what's the
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advantage of me being able to see with my eyes closed?
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Sure, it's just one of many psychic abilities. For example,
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people will come to our course and we take them
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through the intuitive mindset. Now you're going through that part
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of it, you bump into pretty much all of the
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other claires and psychic abilities like seeing the future, seeing
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the past, knowing what the card's going to be next. Gosh,
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I don't know where to start. When we encourage people
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not to try to block any of that out, So
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really we're putting them on the path of self discovery
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of all the things that they really do have and
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they're born with but never really believed it. Okay, Like
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everybody's born with this to see without eyes, you're hardwired
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with it. Likely, Vincent, when you were probably somewhere in
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the between the ages of two and three, you may
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have been in your room. You may have had your
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eyes closed, and you could see now as a little boy,
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that's nice, right, and you running out to your mom
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or dad in the kitchen. Hey, Mom, I can see
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you through my hands. What's the first thing she's gonna say, Oh, Vincent, sweetheart,
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that's not real. That's just pretend. And what happens to
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that little boy now shuts it down? That's it. It's
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now shut down for the rest of his life until
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now you decide, for example, you want to come to
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a seminar and learn it. So we started an intuitive
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and you're going to also discover many of these other things.
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So it basically opens your eyes. And once the people
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see that they can do this and get that confidence,
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that's when they're ready to move to this other level.
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But why do sighted people want to do it? It
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seems that they're drawn to this because they're curious. They
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almost have a sense, some of them that they've done
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this before, and many of them have vincent when they
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were young and it got shut down inadvertently by well
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meaning parents. The same people who told you that the
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Easter Bunny was real.
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Right exactly.
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Two all told you that mind sight wasn't real.
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Wait right? So yeah, okay, so you take them through
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the class.
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When you're at the intuitive level, I find it's easier,
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But if you're trying to switch to the seeing the
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room in real time, it's better to leave your eyes open.
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So it really is up to you. The intuitive level
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is where you'll see a flash of color. You'll see
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a very vague haze of color. When I'm holding up
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a color, you could get like this energy coming at you.
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You don't see it, but you feel energy and you say, well,
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I know that's pink. I don't know why, I just
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know it's pink. That's the intuitive level mind sight. There
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is a next level mind site, and that's where you
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can see the room and everything in it in real
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time very clearly. Yeah, that's what kids do really easy, right, Yes,
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as an adult, there's several ways to get there. There's
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blue in your screen. It's like a darker blue, like
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almost like a darker sky blue. And this one is
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the yellowy green again. Okay, I'm gonna put them under
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the desk. I'm gonna shuffle them either one of the colors.
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There it is in your screen. Oh, it's really funny
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because I thought it was gonna stop at blue, so
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that's the first that came up. But then you started
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doing this and it gave it greeny for green and yellow. Okay,
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lift your mask up and check it out there you go. Yeah, well,
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so now we're gonna go to the symbols, the open circle,
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the open triangle, the open square. But then it's going
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to be the solid plus or black lines and they're
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easy to do with your mind sight and it goes
477
00:28:39.480 --> 00:28:42.640
in your screen. There it is, let go of everything,
478
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no concentration at all.
479
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Thought it was a corner, so like a square.
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What else did you see? Afterwards? It went like this?
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The mask up. Yeah, there you go. I'm going to
482
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take two colors. That yellow in the pink, I'm holding
483
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one up. Look through those dots and what color it
484
00:29:03.319 --> 00:29:05.720
might be that only one of those dots you can
485
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see the color through. So look through each one of them.
486
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Go completely empty.
487
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Is it? Think?
488
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Yes? It is. On the top of each card is
489
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the word. On the middle of the card is the item.
490
00:29:17.440 --> 00:29:20.039
So you'll see the shape and the color, and then
491
00:29:20.039 --> 00:29:24.160
the cards themselves have a red borderline around the outside.
492
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So just so your mind sight's familiar with them, I'm
493
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gonna show them in the screen. There's the goldfish. This
494
00:29:29.160 --> 00:29:31.839
one is the green tree, so it's your ball of
495
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green at the top, and then the brown trunk. This
496
00:29:34.400 --> 00:29:37.559
one is the red pants. I'm gonna shuffle them up
497
00:29:37.559 --> 00:29:41.000
and put it in your screen. So visualize a vertical,
498
00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:44.640
rectangular card with a red border around it. So see
499
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that in your mind's eye, and then get in the tree.
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Lift your mask up. Yeah, cool, very good. What would
501
00:29:51.079 --> 00:29:51.839
the game be?
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00:29:51.920 --> 00:29:54.000
I think you can hide something on the cuts.
503
00:29:54.119 --> 00:29:57.079
Okay, let's do this. I'm going to take one of
504
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the dice, and I'm taking a colored cup, and I'm
505
00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:02.799
do you want me to lift that to the screen
506
00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:05.640
or leave it out of view of the screen. You
507
00:30:05.680 --> 00:30:09.519
can leave it. Okay, tell me the color of the cup.
508
00:30:10.160 --> 00:30:12.359
Tell me the color of the dice. There's the cup
509
00:30:12.920 --> 00:30:16.559
on the table, So come here, however, method you want,
510
00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:22.640
by supersonic playing, by remote viewing, by just knowing, by telepathy,
511
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because I know what it.
512
00:30:25.759 --> 00:30:28.599
Initially the thing was. It's a green dice with a
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red cup.
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Okay, lift your mask up, lift your mask up. Watch this. Yeah,
515
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there you go, and you got it. Okay, we're all done.
516
00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:45.920
You got it. You got it. Yeah. We take them
517
00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:49.160
through the class and most will reach the scene in
518
00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:54.599
real time level we get about ninety plus. Wow. Okay.
519
00:30:54.720 --> 00:30:57.640
It really depends on the amount of baggage that people
520
00:30:57.759 --> 00:31:00.279
carry and whether they can we can get help to
521
00:31:00.279 --> 00:31:02.680
get them relaxed and so on. We have a resident
522
00:31:02.920 --> 00:31:07.559
hypnotherapist that will help the folks. Okay, this is the
523
00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:12.000
reason why kids can do it immediately. Adults it can
524
00:31:12.039 --> 00:31:15.839
take longer because you're dealing with people who have, you know,
525
00:31:16.240 --> 00:31:21.119
different belief systems, limiting beliefs, and we've got to kind
526
00:31:21.119 --> 00:31:23.839
of try to put all that aside. Now here's the
527
00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:28.160
thing in order to let people take the pressure off
528
00:31:28.200 --> 00:31:31.680
of themselves. Do not put yourself under pressure come into
529
00:31:31.680 --> 00:31:34.240
a class because that is counterproductive.
530
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Right.
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We want people to be relaxed. So I tell them, look,
532
00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:42.000
no worries. If you don't get this, you can come
533
00:31:42.039 --> 00:31:46.559
back to as many seminars as you want for free. Okay,
534
00:31:46.799 --> 00:31:49.240
So take the pressure off yourself. If you don't get
535
00:31:49.240 --> 00:31:51.839
it this time, you'll get it next. And that happens
536
00:31:52.160 --> 00:31:54.880
to our people, some of our people. Not only that,
537
00:31:55.720 --> 00:31:59.160
but you know, when you leave the class, you've got
538
00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:02.039
to practice like anything else that you don't keep it going,
539
00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:06.119
it starts to disappear. What do we offer to all
540
00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:12.400
the alumni. They can come to free alumni online classes
541
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twice a week Monday and Thursday at seven pm Eastern time.
542
00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:20.960
And we've had people open their window in those classes.
543
00:32:21.640 --> 00:32:23.960
So we've had people that have come back to another
544
00:32:24.039 --> 00:32:27.559
seminar they didn't quite get it. They opened it up
545
00:32:27.880 --> 00:32:28.880
in that seminar.
546
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That's so that's you know, there's no that. Yeah. So
547
00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:38.559
you're you're you live in Canada though, is that correct?
548
00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:43.079
That's correct? Yeah, And we hold seminars both here in
549
00:32:43.119 --> 00:32:45.359
Canada and in the US.
550
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And in the US, and you're.
551
00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:49.640
Asking about the benefit in the US, you're asking about
552
00:32:49.640 --> 00:32:54.839
the benefit of cited people established that it really opens
553
00:32:54.880 --> 00:32:57.880
the door for self discovery and all these other abilities
554
00:32:57.920 --> 00:33:01.000
that they have. And of course, the other benefit is
555
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for the blind people. Like there's folks that have never
556
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seen and they're able to see and even understand what
557
00:33:08.920 --> 00:33:12.160
colors are. They've never seen colors before, but they can
558
00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:16.279
discern colors and get shapes. And we've got blind people
559
00:33:16.359 --> 00:33:19.000
who are just starting to see in real time. Now.
560
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There's various blind people around the world that can see
561
00:33:22.599 --> 00:33:27.119
in real time. There's many folks vincent who have gone
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blind as a result of an accident, a disease, some
563
00:33:32.079 --> 00:33:35.599
kind of a condition who have saw I have seen
564
00:33:35.720 --> 00:33:38.799
when they were younger. So you know, it's a little
565
00:33:38.839 --> 00:33:41.880
easier to train those folks because they know what vision
566
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is and they have a full understanding of what their
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environment looks like. And so both of these groups are very,
568
00:33:49.039 --> 00:33:53.039
very heavily motivated to learn, and especially the ones that
569
00:33:53.079 --> 00:33:56.079
have lost their sight, the ones that are blind, of course,
570
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they'll say to me, well, you know, if I don't
571
00:33:58.039 --> 00:34:01.319
get this, it's okay. I know how to navigating my surroundings.
572
00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:04.079
It's just another, it's something I would like to have.
573
00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:07.319
It's not necessary because I know how to get around
574
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and I can do just fine, thank you, in my environment.
575
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But the people who have had their eyesight and have
576
00:34:14.480 --> 00:34:17.760
lost it, you know, for them, they've gone through a
577
00:34:17.800 --> 00:34:22.519
real grieving process having lost their eyesight, and the thought
578
00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:25.519
of being able to get that back is so exciting
579
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for them. And I've got many people who are now
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seeing in real time as a result of taking the classes.
581
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I mean, their site is coming back. And so those
582
00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:41.159
are the folks that really really need this bad.
583
00:34:41.960 --> 00:34:45.599
Yeah, I can imagine that, But I have to say
584
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that once the blind community really grabs hold of this,
585
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because like you said, eight years, that's not a long
586
00:34:53.400 --> 00:34:57.760
period of time, right, and so they can really see
587
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what the benefit is. I cannot one blind person who
588
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wouldn't be excited over the thought of being able to
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see something before they leave this planet. So for the
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ones that you did work with and they weren't able
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to open up and see, what was it feeling, what
592
00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:18.039
was their expression? What were they you know, how do
593
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they respond? That might have been must have been so
594
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rewarding for you.
595
00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:27.519
Yes, So right now we've been doing the in person
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classes for about two and a half years only, and
597
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you know, I've been at this free year. Yeah, and
598
00:35:33.800 --> 00:35:37.119
so we're working with blind people and we're at the point,
599
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we're kind of right at the edge. We're at the
600
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cutting edge. And we've got one blind lady who her
601
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name's Trish, and she had written a pygmatosis, so she
602
00:35:49.360 --> 00:35:55.039
saw when she was younger, it went black. Okay. She
603
00:35:55.320 --> 00:36:00.519
went down the road of doing different modalities herself, separate
604
00:36:00.559 --> 00:36:04.960
from vision without eyes, like different different healing modalities, and
605
00:36:05.119 --> 00:36:09.960
got light. In other words, that's all she can see
606
00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:12.760
is just a little bit of light. Could not make
607
00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:18.599
out anything. Anyway, She's come to her class and she's
608
00:36:18.639 --> 00:36:20.840
at the point now and she's actually going to be
609
00:36:20.840 --> 00:36:24.840
a teacher in the may class here in London, Ontario.
610
00:36:25.039 --> 00:36:27.519
She's going to be one of our teachers teaching. But
611
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she's at the point. Remember, all these people were moving
612
00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:32.719
them along and I've only been doing the in person
613
00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:35.559
classes for two and a half years, so our blind
614
00:36:35.559 --> 00:36:42.079
people are moving with us. Vincent, okay, cutting it. She's
615
00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:45.840
at the point where she can see inner screen, she
616
00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:48.639
can see the shapes, she can see the colors, she
617
00:36:48.679 --> 00:36:52.519
can read two letter words and she's getting it through
618
00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:56.079
a very small window. It looks like for her that
619
00:36:56.199 --> 00:37:02.280
she's looking through frosted glass. But literally every every week
620
00:37:02.440 --> 00:37:06.159
I'm watching her improve Oka. And I told her, I said, Trisha,
621
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once you get to the point where you can consistently see,
622
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and she got there. No matter what I held up,
623
00:37:14.199 --> 00:37:16.559
she could tell me what it was. I said, you
624
00:37:16.599 --> 00:37:19.239
can become a trainer to help us teach the other
625
00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:21.920
blind folks. So she's going to be a trainer. We've
626
00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:24.840
got another fellow, John who's going to be as an
627
00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:29.840
alumni back here in May, and he is just how
628
00:37:29.880 --> 00:37:32.639
would I put it, He's got very strong intuitive mindseight
629
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where he perceives the colors, even the words and the shapes,
630
00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:41.199
and he's just how would I put it, he's overlapping
631
00:37:41.679 --> 00:37:46.519
real time seeing with his intuitive seeing. And I would
632
00:37:46.559 --> 00:37:50.199
expect any week now he's going to break out into
633
00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:54.920
seeing the room clearly in real time. So that's where
634
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we're at with all this stuff. Now, you came back
635
00:37:57.639 --> 00:38:00.760
maybe in two years from now, and we'll have many
636
00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:04.280
blind folks that have gone through the pro Okay rim
637
00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:06.519
and who are seeing in real time.
638
00:38:06.960 --> 00:38:10.440
Oh, I'm sure, and others as well, and so I'm
639
00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:13.559
definitely hearing from you that it is a progression. And
640
00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:17.000
that's what's really interesting that people have to understand nothing
641
00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:21.079
is instant and there's a reason for that, because you
642
00:38:21.239 --> 00:38:26.920
cannot value and discover that you're an unlimited magnificent being
643
00:38:27.320 --> 00:38:31.360
if everything was instantaneous. You have to have the opposite.
644
00:38:31.480 --> 00:38:36.280
You have to have the limit to experience unlimitedness, which
645
00:38:36.280 --> 00:38:39.039
is why we come to this earth to start with, right,
646
00:38:39.320 --> 00:38:40.960
And we could have stayed on the other side and
647
00:38:41.039 --> 00:38:43.239
learned everything over there, but we decided now, I want
648
00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:46.960
to come and incarnate here and be limited. Why because
649
00:38:47.000 --> 00:38:53.159
it's so exhilarating to go from nothing, not if you
650
00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:56.800
can't see with your eyes closed, to all of a
651
00:38:56.840 --> 00:38:59.960
sudden seeing with your eyes closed like that and having
652
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:04.800
vision without eyes. You discover your abilities. That's what I
653
00:39:04.840 --> 00:39:07.320
loved about the side games. And people have to understand
654
00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:11.039
that we're doing it again this year in Charlotte, North Carolina.
655
00:39:11.320 --> 00:39:14.000
So you've got to check that out because and Rob
656
00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:17.360
is going to be there. Right. You're going to be there, Rob, right,
657
00:39:17.400 --> 00:39:22.800
you better be because all of the team are. You
658
00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:26.280
do already, Okay, I'm glad. I'm excited about God, I
659
00:39:26.320 --> 00:39:29.039
can't wait to see them. But what I want people
660
00:39:29.119 --> 00:39:34.199
to understand, Yes it's fun, Yes it's wonderful, but for
661
00:39:34.280 --> 00:39:38.519
the same reason that I do mediumship. It just is
662
00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:44.440
evidence as to the extraordinary beings that we are. And
663
00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:47.559
the more evidence we get when we walked away from
664
00:39:47.599 --> 00:39:51.119
those side side games, and especially with yours, which was
665
00:39:51.159 --> 00:39:53.760
the icing on the cake, there really was, actually was
666
00:39:53.800 --> 00:39:58.159
the whole cake. They were the icing. Just I walked
667
00:39:58.159 --> 00:40:01.960
away going there is no doubt in our own mind,
668
00:40:02.199 --> 00:40:04.679
my mind as to and my wife felt the same way.
669
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She was there with me, no doubt in our minds
670
00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:12.199
that we are more than because of what we just saw.
671
00:40:12.760 --> 00:40:16.000
And that's what you wind up walking away with that confidence,
672
00:40:16.079 --> 00:40:20.360
that knowing that I am more than this physical being
673
00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:23.199
with just these physical eyes. And oh yeah, I can't
674
00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:27.199
see my vision. I wear glasses. I got cataracts and glaucoma.
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00:40:27.400 --> 00:40:30.719
We'll close those eyes and learn to see without them,
676
00:40:31.119 --> 00:40:34.039
and I guarantee you you'll help heal your physical eyes
677
00:40:34.280 --> 00:40:38.360
just as well, because you're stepping into your power. That's
678
00:40:38.360 --> 00:40:40.920
what I loved about your work and why it's so
679
00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:43.599
important to me and why I even wanted to have
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00:40:43.679 --> 00:40:47.440
you here. So tell me, how do people find you
681
00:40:47.559 --> 00:40:51.599
to start with? And then how do they take your class?
682
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And what when's your next class?
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00:40:55.960 --> 00:40:58.800
Sure? Sure, and I'll answer your last little point there
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too about glasses. When you get your mind sight opening,
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it's better than twenty twenty vincent. So you will find
686
00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:08.480
you'll see this as you get more involved with me
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over time. When people are seeing mind sight, with their
688
00:41:11.960 --> 00:41:15.559
mind sight, they can see very far off into the distance,
689
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and you can even get telescopic mind sight and macroscopic
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00:41:18.960 --> 00:41:21.760
mind sight. But then they take their mask off and
691
00:41:21.800 --> 00:41:25.719
they got to put their glasses back on. Some folks,
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some folks will learn to have their mind sight operate
693
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in the daytime without a mask on, and they throw
694
00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:37.559
away their glasses.
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Some not all.
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I hadn't experienced myself. Where I was on the chair
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lift and I knew a text was coming that was
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00:41:46.039 --> 00:41:49.760
very important, and I wear glasses, and when the text came,
699
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I lifted my goggles. I didn't have my glasses on,
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and I read the text and I read the three lines,
701
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and as I went to read the fourth line, it
702
00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:01.719
was very clear, and I said to myself, wait a minute,
703
00:42:01.840 --> 00:42:04.239
I shouldn't be able to read this. I don't have
704
00:42:04.320 --> 00:42:08.679
my glasses on, and it went blurry. Okay, So we're
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seeing in real time mind sit overlaid on top and
706
00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:15.760
that is the goal that you can work towards if
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you wear glasses. But you asked about where people can
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00:42:19.000 --> 00:42:24.719
reach us. Yes, Vision without Own Eyes dot Com okay,
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00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:28.079
and that connects to the Facebook and the YouTube. All
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00:42:28.159 --> 00:42:31.320
the events are on there and they can register right
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00:42:31.360 --> 00:42:35.039
at that site. The May class is closed now, but
712
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we're going to have an August class here also in London, Ontario, Canada.
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Wow.
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And then in November and again in January, we'll have
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the classes in Orlando where you know it's cold here,
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but it'll be nice and warm down there.
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Wow. That's wonderful. And that Orlando one is the one
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that I really want to go to. And this is
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like and it's it's it's in the most magical place
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of the world anyway, Disney World area. Right, So you're
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gonna have one type of magic happening at another magical
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place there. So we can end you what said that
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we have that fun with it, right, So yes, so
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take one of those rides with your eyes closed but
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being able to have that mind sight. It's a whole
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new adventure. I'm sure. So, So everybody needs to go
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to Vision without Eyes dot com. That's correct, Vision without
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Eyes dot com and just check out. You have other
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videos on there of all different examples and some of
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what the people are doing. And don't you have a
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YouTube channel as well with some things or or that
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is the website the best place to go.
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Yeah, you can find a YouTube channel through the website.
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The website is a Vision without Eyes and then Rob
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Freeman and in it you'll see all kinds of things.
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I think there's over six hundred videos. It's my per
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aggression right through from when I started and all the
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people I've taught and so on, including blind people. And
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let me let me mention this. There's one video of
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me seeing in the dark. Okay, it's a thermal video.
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It's black and white, and we did it out of
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fine to see because people say, can you see in
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the dark, Well, we tried it. We sealed up all
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the craw on the doors, put black plastic on the windows.
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I've got a thermal camera that measures heat and converts
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the heat into images, and you'll see me there getting
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everything that Wendy showed me. I get pictures, I get symbols,
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I get colors, and so you can see in the
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dark with this. Also, if you want to take it
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that far, I mean vincent, some people can get three
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hundred and sixty degree vision all the way around.
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You know, yes, that's.
753
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Yeah, that's right. You can get you can get spherical
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vision where you can see all the way around you,
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around the top and underneath everywhere. Well, I can sit
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three six year round.
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I like that all around you. Then I won't need
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it in my car. I would be able to see
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it myself some of the see the advancement. It's really
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interesting how technology follows what we're capable of. We think
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we follow technology, but all the inspirations from technology come
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from who we are already. So for me, like AI,
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AI is nothing outside of us. AI is what's inside
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of us. We've just learned how to put it outside
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so that everybody else can connect to it. But all
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that information is what's already in here. It's that knowledge.
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Like I said, we just wanted to put it on
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the outside. So what you've done and is put together
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program and you've done on work to take what's already
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in us and bring it to the outside. So a
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world so that it can we can use it in
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our regular physical world, which I can definitely see the
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advantage to that. So where do you see yourself going
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from here? Rob, Yeah?
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So I really want to continue with the blind and
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people with low or impaired vision, and that's where we're
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pushing these things. You know, everybody's welcome because it's great
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in these seminars to have both groups. You know, for example,
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when the cited people start having their real time seeing open,
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the blond folks who don't see it, but they hear it,
781
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that gives them excitement and hope. Okay, so it becomes
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a motivation for them for their windows to come open,
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both at the intuitive and then seeing in real time level.
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Now when the blind folks start seeing at the intuitive level,
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there isn't a dry eye in the room from your
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sighted people. It's very moving when you see these people
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who are one hundred percent blind, you know, telling their partner, Okay,
788
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this is a square, this is a solid square, this
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is a you know, a triangle, and you're looking you
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see this. I mean, it just hits you emotionally because
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you know this person's been bothered life and you're witnessing
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a miracle right in front of your eyes. So we
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do want to have both groups mixed together. One helps
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the other. So but I want to continue developing the
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blind side of this and more and more because you know,
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the sighted people, they a lot of them will learn this,
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they will learn many other things as well, so they
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may keep this, they may just keep it in their
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back pocket and go on to all the other abilities
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that they didn't they head. The blind folks will generally
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stay on this till they get it, and they will
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continue on and they will bring all their blind friend
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folks into the group as well. So you know, that's
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where I'm going with this. I want to have a
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school where we're actually, you know, people aren't coming. Blind
806
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people are coming. Maybe maybe it's three weeks, maybe it's
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a month, and it's group of people and they're all
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going through this together having their mindseight, come open, practice,
809
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establish it really strong, so that when they go home
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they don't lose it. They can you know, they can
811
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continue to practice online, but they can practice on a
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day by day basis and keep this ability going for
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the rest of their life.
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Absolutely, I've got to tell you, not being blind, I
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still can see all the advantages of the average mainstream
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person learning this, Yes, besides learning about all their abilities,
817
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but to be able to see to give me confidence,
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to be able to even show others that that we're
819
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more than you know A therapists, counselors, you know all
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of them as a psychic reader, but I do I
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call myself a psychic therapist. I do a lot of
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counseling within the reading itself. To be able to show
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that and give them evidence helps them to start having
824
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confidence in themselves even when they're not taking the program,
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that people who are taking the program can be more
826
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of an inspiration. I don't see this as a novelty.
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I don't see it as a novelty or a luxury
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at all. I see it as if you care to evolve,
829
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then this is something you want to be able to do.
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Is is in your own life. You will always be
831
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able to edit to your life. You will always be
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able to add it to your life when you're having
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a hard time, I'm communicating with your child, or your
834
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child becomes a teenager and you have a difficult time
835
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and you need to you want to see, you want
836
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to know how to be able to help this person.
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I can see how vision without eyes will not only
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help you see this, but I'm going to go one
839
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step further. You'll be able to see what the other
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person is seeing and feeling as well, because you're starting
841
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to connect more. Once you connect to your intuitive sense,
842
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you're connecting to each other because that's how we're connected together.
843
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So you will get a different sense of different feeling,
844
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you know, all of a sudden, Like, for example, you
845
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were holding up the blue and the yellow card. Even
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though you had the yellow one, I still was able
847
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to see that you had that blue one in the
848
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other hand. Right, in some way, maybe I misinterpreted because
849
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I need more training. We only did that in a
850
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matter of moments, right, So if you want to know it,
851
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I am out of nowhere to be able to do it.
852
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That let me know that validated me. Validation is another
853
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important thing to people. So I do not see this
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at all rob as novel, and I don't mean to
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take up the time me explaining things, but I want
856
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the listeners to know the advantage. This is not about
857
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impressing people. This is about impressing upon people all right,
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who they really are and what their abilities are. That
859
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is fantastic. I can't wait to see what you've got
860
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coming up. And you've got to be able to keep
861
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us informed. And like I said, and everybody who wants
862
00:51:38.800 --> 00:51:41.519
to they're curious about this, want to see Rob and
863
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any other videos, go to Vision without Eyes dot Com.
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I'll have that on here. And so I do have
865
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to ask you this one because there's that little psychic
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sense inside of me without the Vision without Eyes wondering.
867
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So when is your book coming out?
868
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Yeah, we should write a book. Many people have said that,
869
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and you know, it's funny. Some of the trainers we
870
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learned with have written books. So it's probably time to
871
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write a book. Vincent. It probably is time.
872
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I think so, because the advantage that you have, Rob,
873
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like you said, is you've taken and you've looked at
874
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all of them and you pulled it together. And so
875
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it's like the next level, the next step for the
876
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rest of us, because that would be incredible and your
877
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stories to be able to share. But of course, you're
878
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so involved in what you're doing. You need the time
879
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to be able to step aside and do it right.
880
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You know, I can imagine how long it takes to
881
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prepare a week course for this, you know, and get
882
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your locations and all of that beside your regular life
883
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going on. But definitely a book would be fabulous, would
884
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be fabulous.
885
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Well, and you know we have written books, like with
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my partner who we travel around the world with. For
887
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you folks, We've written a book. And it wasn't that
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hard because I said, well, I don't have the time
889
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to sit down and write it. And our person that
890
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we worked with said, you don't need the time to
891
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sit down and write it. She said, we will do
892
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a zoom call and you just answer my questions. And
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so we had two or three phone calls or zoom
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calls maybe they were an hour, and I just talked
895
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and talked and talked, and she and my partner they
896
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took that information and they put it into the book.
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And then when it was all done, you know, I
898
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went through and just made sure everything was accurate, made
899
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any little changes, and now the book's out there. So
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you know, I didn't have to sit down and spend
901
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the time writing it. It was easier to just allow
902
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myself to be interviewed, answer questions and the ghost writer
903
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wrote the book.
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That's amazing. I like that. Okay, So then we got
905
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to get it published. Is it published yet? Well, that
906
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one is published, yeah, all right, but you have another
907
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one that's on its way. Definitely. With all the experiences
908
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that you have now so putting aside working with the
909
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blind people, which is absolutely fantastic. What motivates you leave
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us with We're coming to the end of the podcast here,
911
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leave us with what thoughts motivates you to be able
912
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to do this and want to continue this. I know
913
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you've said some things briefly throughout, you know, but what
914
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really motivates you, Rob, Let's get to know Rob Freeman.
915
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Yeah, I would say what motivates me to do this
916
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is to watch the folks in class, especially the shy
917
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ones who are very timid and shy, and watching the
918
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change that comes over them when they open up their
919
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real time mindset. It gives them a whole confidence boost,
920
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you know, because they can do something that is seemingly impossible.
921
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That's what really motivates me those folks, And of course
922
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you know all of our folks as they come open.
923
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I've been witnessed to that working with them and being
924
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with them the moment that little window comes open and
925
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they can see and it just you know, it's all
926
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I can do is holding back tears, feeling that I
927
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pardon me, that emotion that you feel when you see
928
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that person discover that for the first time and what
929
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they're going through, what they feel, and that's pretty priceless
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to be able to feel that, and in every seminar
931
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I get to go through that. So that's probably my
932
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big motivator right there. And of course watching the real
933
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shy people. I mean, I've had people are so shy
934
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when we go around the room, you know, just take
935
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a couple of minutes at the beginning of the seminar,
936
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tell us about yourself. They disappear, they go outside, so
937
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when it's their turn, they don't have to speak. Wow, okay,
938
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that's how painfully shy they are. Instant and to at
939
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the end of the seminar where people we go around
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and ask them about their week's experience and then they
941
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stand up and tell what they experience. So watching that
942
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change in them just over that week is an incredible
943
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motivator for me.
944
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Well, let me tell you something that makes your program
945
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and anything you would teach successful. It's the intention and
946
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the value of the teacher. Believe me, anybody else could
947
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take those words and if they use them and use
948
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your program for a different reason in a different way,
949
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even if they were teaching the exact same thing, it
950
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would fall by the wayside because it wasn't coming from
951
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pure intention. So your intention, Rob, is what really empowers
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the work that you're doing. So just always. I know
953
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that that may be something that you've heard before, but
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it's something that I truly believe, which is why I
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do everything to work on myself, walk my talk, because
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I don't want the words, the message to be a
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waste because they are so important. So thank you so
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much for joining us again. This is Rob Freeman from
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Vision without Eyes dot com. Go check him out. I
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appreciate you taking time out of your busy schedule to
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be here on the Jena Effect. I'm sure people are
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just like.
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Nah, I got to see that. I want to do
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that myself. So thank you for joining me today. Rob,
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totally appreciate that you're doing incredible work.
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Really, thank you.
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Thank you so much for having me on, Vincent. It
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was a total pleasure.
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Absolutely, and for everybody out there, keep coming back to
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the Jena Effect. I'm Vincent Jenna, your psychic therapist, spiritual teacher, medium, author, whatever,
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and I'm going to learn to have more vision without eyes,
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and I'm going to be going to see Rob Freeman
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and I'll tell you about that experience as soon as
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i'm done with it when that happens. So everybody, take
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care of yourself, okay, and just remember, in order to
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believe in anything else, you have to start by believing
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in you. So bye bye for now, pol