WEBVTT
00:00:01.743 -->
00:00:05.631Right, you're like that buzzer ain't rang that game ain't over with, so keep going.
00:00:05.631 -->
00:00:12.569I have thrived, you know, in that chaos.
00:00:12.569 -->
00:00:17.842How could?
00:00:17.842 -->
00:00:18.545This be happening.
00:00:18.545 -->
00:00:20.431Did any of you guys pay attention to anything?
00:00:20.431 -->
00:00:26.240I said anything.
00:00:26.240 -->
00:00:28.987I said like get arrested, guess, until they get the message.
00:00:28.987 -->
00:00:33.118Welcome back to the reckless ceo podcast, where we keep it real raw and reckless about business and life.
00:00:33.177 -->
00:00:34.781They ain't really gotten the sauce and I ain't got.
00:00:34.781 -->
00:00:36.104You know what I mean it's like.
00:00:36.104 -->
00:00:41.423Here is your host, the reckless ceo himself, michael mcgovern.
00:00:41.423 -->
00:00:44.049Welcome back to the reckless celessia podcast.
00:00:44.049 -->
00:00:50.110Got a lot to share today, so I had Reese come in and sit with me on this one.
00:00:50.110 -->
00:00:54.170Today I had a new experience.
00:00:54.170 -->
00:01:03.463I was recently introduced to a friend of mine who introduced me to a friend, and he is a.
00:01:03.463 -->
00:01:08.263You can call him kind of a uh, a magical doctor, right?
00:01:08.263 -->
00:01:08.543He?
00:01:08.543 -->
00:01:10.728Uh, it's kind of like a lady in the night.
00:01:10.728 -->
00:01:11.430You know what I mean?
00:01:11.430 -->
00:01:14.284He just shows up, does his thing and then leaves you.
00:01:16.831 -->
00:01:17.852Lady in the red dress.
00:01:17.933 -->
00:01:20.382Lady in the red dress, man, and that was kind of what it was.
00:01:20.382 -->
00:01:21.263Man, he uh.
00:01:21.263 -->
00:01:33.867So this guy, you know he works specifically with entrepreneurs and uh, it's funny cause I'd actually gotten connected to him probably, uh, probably three months ago.
00:01:33.867 -->
00:01:37.174Uh, my buddy had connected us and then my, then he does.
00:01:37.174 -->
00:01:38.245The guy never responded.
00:01:38.245 -->
00:01:41.924Like a guy put us on a group chat and he's like oh hey, I'm traveling, you know, I'll get back to you, dang.
00:01:41.924 -->
00:01:57.790And then, out of nowhere, last week meth tech Texas me out of like this, completely random, three months later it was like hey, mike, you know, uh, you just just getting back to this, and I'm always the kind of guy where it's like I, I never questioned when things come to you.
00:01:57.790 -->
00:01:58.311Yeah.
00:01:58.552 -->
00:01:59.173You know what I mean.
00:01:59.173 -->
00:02:10.812Like I think every time I've ever done a new experience or tried a thing or went a direction, you know I don't want to say it's much of like oh, you're just, you're kind of just going with the wind or on a whim.
00:02:10.812 -->
00:02:21.312Yeah, but like when you, you know, you know, and there's like things that show up in your life that are like big things and it's like I need to like jump on this or I need to like lean into that.
00:02:21.431 -->
00:02:26.080Yeah, I feel like too into that.
00:02:26.080 -->
00:02:26.723Yeah, I feel like too with that.
00:02:26.723 -->
00:02:28.206If you don't really want them to be bugging you about that certain thing.
00:02:28.206 -->
00:02:33.112So if, if, if he shows up in a mysterious manner and you know it's time, then I think that's when you jump on it.
00:02:33.272 -->
00:02:35.039Yeah, and that's pretty much what happened, right.
00:02:35.039 -->
00:02:40.348And so this doctor, um, so I got, like I said, got connected with him probably three months ago.
00:02:40.348 -->
00:02:47.518Paul was up with me last week and you know we jump on a phone call and he's like, hey man, you know, have you ever, you know, have you ever experienced?
00:02:47.518 -->
00:02:48.879You know, have you ever had any experiences?
00:02:48.879 -->
00:02:55.883And I'm like, oh, you know, I've done my fair share of, you know, psilocybin or DMT or you know, whatever it is, ketamine.
00:02:55.883 -->
00:02:57.444You know, I've done a lot of things like that.
00:02:57.645 -->
00:03:04.794All um, you know, yes, experiential, but more spiritual, yeah, you know what I mean.
00:03:04.794 -->
00:03:28.520Like I think that you know, when I was younger maybe I might've done them more to just like have the experience where I feel like I'm at a point now where every time I do them, they're they're they're for a, a spiritual purpose, right, like I always know that, like when I went down and did ketamine, you know that was like a point where I'm like I was at an inflection point.
00:03:28.520 -->
00:03:29.984I feel like I was like running my head against the wall, that like things were changing.
00:03:29.984 -->
00:03:46.913Like you know, as an entrepreneur, if you're growing and achieving things, like you're constantly hitting a ceiling and and in order for you to you know, overcome that ceiling, like you either have to recognize the ceiling or you've got to shift your patterns to get around that ceiling or make that ceiling your new floor Right.
00:03:47.703 -->
00:03:49.871And so much of it is that we just don't.
00:03:49.871 -->
00:03:52.219We don't know what we don't know Right.
00:03:52.219 -->
00:04:13.230And so we're experiencing life, you know, and seeing the way that everything's happening to us and how it's coming at us and all of these things, and we're resentment and we're hating it and we're irritated and we're all you know, however it might be yeah, all through this lens, where it's like you just take the fucking glasses off, you're like, oh shit, wait a second yeah I just I was, I was shooting, you know, I had a lens on that.
00:04:13.251 -->
00:04:14.984It just didn't fit me anymore, it didn't serve.
00:04:14.984 -->
00:04:34.548It served a purpose to an extent, but it doesn't serve a purpose for me to grow anymore, and so I feel like every time I've ever had to make those like leaps as an individual, as an entrepreneur, I've always dabbled in a, in a psychedelic or something, because it just allows you to expand much past, like what's your, you know natural realm might be.
00:04:34.548 -->
00:04:38.803You get much more you know spiritual and you you kind of go through that journey.
00:04:39.225 -->
00:04:46.586Yeah, I mean as value valuable as it is to just have a different perspective on things.
00:04:46.586 -->
00:05:03.857I'm a neophyte in the entrepreneurship world so I'm learning as much as I can, so just having that alternative perspective I'm sure was just awesome for you.
00:05:04.038 -->
00:05:05.702Yeah, dude, well, a hundred percent, and you know.
00:05:05.702 -->
00:05:05.862So.
00:05:05.862 -->
00:05:08.461Then we jump on a phone, call this guy and he's like you know, have you?
00:05:08.461 -->
00:05:10.862You know, have you done any of these things, have you?
00:05:10.862 -->
00:05:11.182You know?
00:05:11.182 -->
00:05:12.127I'm like, oh yeah, I've done this.
00:05:12.127 -->
00:05:14.447This is like all right, well, we can skip 90% of this phone call.
00:05:14.447 -->
00:05:15.410Yeah, right.
00:05:28.923 -->
00:05:33.192You know, he just an entrepreneur and he's probably 52 now, I'd say, okay, 55 maybe.
00:05:33.192 -->
00:05:43.927You know he was an entrepreneur and he sold a business and was traveling the world, right, he like loved, like everything was great, met his now wife, met his girlfriend at the time and she was working in corporate America.
00:05:43.927 -->
00:05:55.365And you know, and he's like man, if I could get this girl out of corporate America and into entrepreneurship and show her how great entrepreneurship is, like she has all these qualities and all these things that I know that she would be a great entrepreneur.
00:05:55.365 -->
00:05:59.242But he had kind of already built the business, sold it, was living a very freedom life, right.
00:05:59.322 -->
00:06:05.074So he was almost feeling constrained by her being tied to something versus him being able to do his thing.
00:06:05.074 -->
00:06:11.040So he basically invested in a candle company and then, you know, they started doing that together.
00:06:11.040 -->
00:06:16.012And then it scaled it into you know, 35 locations and you know all of these things.
00:06:16.012 -->
00:06:21.932And and then it got to the point where, you know, he resented her, she resented him.
00:06:21.932 -->
00:06:23.161Wow, he said.
00:06:23.161 -->
00:06:25.629You know, they're very straight laced kind of individuals.
00:06:25.629 -->
00:06:29.127Never, you know, he'd never smoked weed before, he'd never done anything.
00:06:29.127 -->
00:06:31.360And she had just had her baby.
00:06:31.500 -->
00:06:32.884You know postpartum depression.
00:06:32.884 -->
00:06:38.870You know she was overweight, she wasn't, you know, basically completely detached herself from the business.
00:06:38.870 -->
00:06:43.704You know her mom was basically watching the kids for them.
00:06:43.704 -->
00:06:51.956And then they go out to Utah and go through a psychedelic experience and completely changed her life, changed her perspective, changed his life.
00:06:51.956 -->
00:07:08.908They came back and basically, you know, implemented different things into the business, did this, did that, and you know, he sold the company further on down the road and now his whole thing is, you know, basically, angel investor invests in businesses and then like, is this under the ground, doctor?
00:07:09.209 -->
00:07:26.834yeah that just works with entrepreneur circles I think that's super interesting, that, um, some people go their whole lives without trying a substance like this and the potential impact that it can have on them.
00:07:26.834 -->
00:07:33.966Imagine going 40 years and all of a sudden, you try a substance like this and you're like was my life a lie?
00:07:34.327 -->
00:07:38.187Yeah, yeah, and so much of it is that we just don't know what.
00:07:38.187 -->
00:07:39.290We don't know you know what?
00:07:39.290 -->
00:07:47.685I mean Again, we're and I think so many people you know have a negative perspective or look down on them and it's like they just don't understand them.
00:07:47.925 -->
00:07:48.367You know what I?
00:07:48.427 -->
00:08:03.206mean and obviously you know you go back to Jimmy Carter days and the war on drugs and you know which is all a big financial way for the government to profit Right Then it's like if you dive into the war on drugs.
00:08:03.206 -->
00:08:05.682It's like duty can never be stopped, it can never be tamed.
00:08:05.742 -->
00:08:20.584It's just a way for them to funnel money into the system that gets the money back into their own pockets again true right and so, and it could, you can't, you're never going to stop that right, and so it's like so from that day forward, these things like psychedelics and ketamine and anything like that become.
00:08:20.584 -->
00:08:26.141They were all basically classified the same as a cocaine or a meth or a crack yeah right.
00:08:26.141 -->
00:08:41.562So it's like you're looking at drugs that can change your perspective and change your life and change who you are as an individual are classified on the same level as the drugs that can destroy your life wow, that's that's super interesting right and so it's like that's just what most people's perspective is.
00:08:41.581 -->
00:08:42.123They're just.
00:08:42.123 -->
00:08:46.753If they've never been exposed to it, then all they know is what they've been taught, right.
00:08:46.753 -->
00:08:47.453And what they've been told.
00:08:47.453 -->
00:08:52.687And so, anyways, this guy, that's what he does now.
00:08:52.687 -->
00:08:56.605So we, you know so today, you know he shows up.
00:08:56.961 -->
00:09:01.144So for me, you know, he reaches out and he's like hey, man, and I'm like, yes, send me your dates.
00:09:01.144 -->
00:09:02.607And he, this was on Friday.
00:09:02.607 -->
00:09:04.571I talked to him Thursday or Friday last week.
00:09:04.571 -->
00:09:05.894I'm like send me your dates.
00:09:05.894 -->
00:09:12.931And he had two, like basically February and March, and I'm like fucking get me in on the 13th or the 12th, whatever day is 12th.
00:09:12.931 -->
00:09:15.086I'm like get me in on the 12th.
00:09:15.086 -->
00:09:16.966So it's like I, you know an opportunity like that.
00:09:20.369 -->
00:09:25.111So for me it's like so they, someone connected us three months ago, didn't hear anything from the guy.
00:09:25.111 -->
00:09:28.595And then, bam, last week, guy reaches out to me.
00:09:28.595 -->
00:09:31.996I feel like I'm struggling through certain things, I'm going through certain things.
00:09:31.996 -->
00:09:37.480Boom, he's like hey, man, let me know if you're still interested, 100% still interested, like let's have that conversation.
00:09:37.480 -->
00:09:37.921Yeah.
00:09:37.921 -->
00:09:44.610Right, and so comes in today and literally shows up, he has vitamins for you to take.
00:09:44.610 -->
00:09:48.783You take your vitamins, um, and you basically just get right to the business.
00:09:48.783 -->
00:09:49.264You know what?
00:09:49.284 -->
00:09:55.967I mean yeah and you know he comes in and he's, uh, um, I I had set up in my my side bedroom area.
00:09:55.967 -->
00:10:08.782I laid down a couple like comforters, set them on the ground and pillows and I have my little like um water sequence thing that I play in the mornings when I meditate and I got a sauna in there and shit, and so I already had this whole thing set up like.
00:10:08.782 -->
00:10:13.645So when he showed up and he's like where we doing it at, and I like open up the door, he's like, ah, you like you get it.
00:10:13.645 -->
00:10:14.818You've been here before.
00:10:14.818 -->
00:10:17.548And I'm like, oh yeah, man, you know.
00:10:17.568 -->
00:10:22.164So you go in and basically it gives you this, this cup of psilocybin.
00:10:22.164 -->
00:10:24.991So it's like grinded up mushrooms and a few other things, and he drank that.
00:10:24.991 -->
00:10:26.865And then he gives the MDMA, wow.
00:10:26.865 -->
00:10:36.464And so you put headphones on, put an eye mask on, lay down and you go, you blast off and essentially what the?
00:10:36.464 -->
00:10:38.495You know, the MDMA with the psilocybin.
00:10:38.495 -->
00:10:42.429Psilocybin is going to give you that intraperspective spiritual journey.
00:10:42.429 -->
00:10:48.626The MDMA gives you the euphoric body high, wow, right, body euphoria, like.
00:10:48.626 -->
00:10:56.817So you literally hit this like peak state of eudaimonia as an individual, of just like you feel, and then you're going through it so they don't have a.
00:10:56.817 -->
00:11:00.289You know, put a headset on you and you know it probably takes you through.
00:11:00.330 -->
00:11:09.029Like I said, it was probably 10 to 2 and so it's just like track after track after track, and each track has a different cadence to it, right?
00:11:09.029 -->
00:11:14.650So it's like some of them are more like instrumental and deeper, and you know you're like going through the depths of the.
00:11:14.650 -->
00:11:20.432You know all the things and you know I'm literally like sweating and you know, going through it like I was.
00:11:20.432 -->
00:11:31.927It's funny because you come to the end of it and you got like this clarity right, but like going through it, like you're battling it, right, and the whole thing I was like Lord is that it's like, uh, you know you're wrestling with the emotion.
00:11:32.328 -->
00:11:35.065Yeah, legitimately I was wrestling with the emotion.
00:11:35.065 -->
00:11:43.466Like I was wrestling with the emotions because we all know the answers, we all know what actually needs to happen or what actually needs to get done.
00:11:43.466 -->
00:11:56.784Too often our emotions keep us from making the answers or taking the decisions or making the moves Right, because it's like we know, with every decision there's a consequence.
00:11:56.784 -->
00:12:05.769With every decision there's an emotion that's going to tell us why we're making that decision or why we should make that decision, who's that's going to change, whose life that's going to change, who's that's going to impact?
00:12:05.769 -->
00:12:09.904And so we always know what the right decision is, but the emotion gets in the way of it.
00:12:09.904 -->
00:12:10.769Wow.
00:12:11.721 -->
00:12:20.984And with going through this, it's like it just removes the emotion, just find the clarity of it, because you get down to the point and you're like, oh, that all makes sense, that all makes sense.
00:12:21.004 -->
00:12:31.519You know what I mean Cause we're constantly, you know, we're solving for the problem, we're solving for the, the right now thing, we're solving for what's in front of us, not solving for the thing that's actually going to solve the big problem.
00:12:31.841 -->
00:12:33.552Yeah, right, it's like the kink in the hose.
00:12:33.552 -->
00:12:39.004Right, it's like you look at a kink in the hose and say you gotta, you need a cup to drink out of.
00:12:39.004 -->
00:12:40.304Right, you gotta.
00:12:40.304 -->
00:12:46.830You know you'll literally sit there and you know you'll hold a cup under that hose for days and weeks.
00:12:46.830 -->
00:12:53.275Or you know, and you'll find ways to fucking hook the hose up so that the water can run out a little bit faster.
00:12:53.275 -->
00:12:54.517Maybe as it trickles through.
00:12:54.517 -->
00:13:06.422Right, you're going to get a different angle of it, like you're doing all you can to get all the water you can out of that hose yeah, but it's just trickling in.
00:13:06.422 -->
00:13:08.888Versus saying, like a second, I'm doing all of these things to fix how this, how much, how fast I can fill this cup up.
00:13:08.888 -->
00:13:21.923Versus saying can I find the kink in the hose and can I unkink it and then let the water flow yeah, it's kind of like, um, the analogy of clouds blocking the sun.
00:13:22.284 -->
00:13:22.765That's what.
00:13:22.765 -->
00:13:24.690That's kind of what it sounds like, at least.
00:13:24.690 -->
00:13:27.441Um, I mean what?
00:13:27.441 -->
00:13:29.907What were you feeling when you're going through this?
00:13:29.907 -->
00:13:32.613Did you experience any visuals?
00:13:33.000 -->
00:13:39.205Yeah, yeah, so it was very, uh, you know, with the, with the psilocybin is very like kaleidoscopy, you know what I mean.
00:13:39.205 -->
00:13:50.575And with you, you know, you think, for all of us are everything that we see and experience, our reality, right, is filtered through our vision, right.
00:13:50.575 -->
00:14:19.422So it's like our brain is working so fast that everything that it's telling itself, or it's seeing, or it's believing, or it's reading or whatever it is, is happening through what you see first, right, and so, by putting on an eye mask, it forces you to, like you remove the reality and so you're very intraperspective makes sense and and all you're seeing is basically this you know, like I said, it's like kaleidoscope, it's very like you know you're, you're like you'd be looking through.
00:14:19.442 -->
00:14:21.206You know all these different, uh, what would you?
00:14:21.206 -->
00:14:22.129What do you call them earlier?
00:14:22.129 -->
00:14:23.065A spiritual?
00:14:23.528 -->
00:14:32.889uh, sacred geometry a sacred, geometry, right yeah you're seeing this like sacred geometry, all these designs that like, yeah, don't mean anything, but all mean something.
00:14:32.889 -->
00:14:34.111Yeah, you know what I mean.
00:14:34.111 -->
00:14:53.672And then it like you know, and through the you know the track that he has playing, you're just, you're going through the emotion, you're going through it and it's just like you got to just let your body go through it, right, like you can't resist it, like I'm like legitimately, like I'm talking like my legs were flying, my arms were moving, you know, I'm like touching my feeling, my skin, and like there's the.
00:14:53.672 -->
00:15:06.529I'd like find the cord from the headphones and you're like playing with the cords from the headphones and like it's like you have an eye mask on, you can't see anything, and it's like you can see everything yeah you know what I mean you can't even resist it either
00:15:06.649 -->
00:15:10.115no like saying to try to resist it.
00:15:10.115 -->
00:15:11.880It's like how could you?
00:15:11.880 -->
00:15:14.250You can't, you can't, you can't resist it.
00:15:14.250 -->
00:15:14.852You know what I mean?
00:15:14.874 -->
00:15:23.907I think that's where you know my girlfriend, she was like, oh, I could never do that, you know, because you know, I just know myself and I would panic and I would freak out, and it it's like, well, that's your problem.
00:15:24.147 -->
00:15:26.171Yeah, but do you know yourself?
00:15:26.211 -->
00:15:27.614Right, yeah, a hundred percent Right.
00:15:27.614 -->
00:15:29.620And that's what comes down to all of these things.
00:15:29.620 -->
00:15:36.828It's like we, we, just we put ourselves in a box constantly and we define ourselves by all of these past experiences.
00:15:37.600 -->
00:15:57.520So her even saying oh, I know how I am, so you're going to stay like that, yeah yeah, you're going to be unwilling to change, you're going to be unwilling to adapt, you're going to be unwilling to see things through a new lens, maybe look at things differently, maybe discover things about yourself and go internal, like you, rather, just stay this way.
00:15:57.520 -->
00:16:04.893Right, because if you're saying that you're scared of this thing because you know that it'll make you panic and freak out, then it's like well, maybe you have control problems.
00:16:04.893 -->
00:16:11.163Ooh, yeah, that's interesting, right, because you're not allowing yourself to let control go.
00:16:11.163 -->
00:16:11.765Yeah.
00:16:12.134 -->
00:16:20.246And I think that's one of the biggest things that psychedelics has done for me is that it's allowed like I just I let go of more control every time.
00:16:20.246 -->
00:16:21.187You know what I mean.
00:16:21.187 -->
00:16:22.028Every time I'm like.
00:16:22.028 -->
00:16:25.554Yeah, you know, and you know.
00:16:25.595 -->
00:17:06.836So you go through this and obviously, like you're experiencing it and you're deep, know, and you're deep and you're kind of, then then, like I said, at the end of it, you know when you're, when it's wrapping up, it's like this like almost like a monastery, like monk, like like, that's the soundtrack that's playing and it's like a, a spiritual leader, just like, yeah, speaking, you know what I mean and you're just hearing like kind of that high meditation vibration, you know very high calibrating sounds, and like it was like I literally like with I saw myself like not necessarily like I didn't seem, like I didn't see me floating, but like it was like I was overlooking.
00:17:06.836 -->
00:17:11.064You know a, you know countryside with.
00:17:11.064 -->
00:17:18.174You know a tree line countryside of like rolling hills right, if you look at like west virginia and you think of like rolling hills of the countryside.
00:17:18.476 -->
00:17:21.768Right, it's like on a you know, a green is green day.
00:17:21.768 -->
00:17:32.989You know you're talking a full, full-blown springtime and it was just like a, a dew of mist across across all of the trees and the hilltops, and it was like.
00:17:32.989 -->
00:17:38.747It was like this and I'm like like I'm overseeing it, as it's like the sun's coming up.
00:17:38.747 -->
00:17:40.678Is this like a new beginning?
00:17:41.220 -->
00:17:44.507what do you yeah, I was gonna say what do you think that means like?
00:17:44.507 -->
00:17:50.459So I feel like the rolling hills, the, the, they could all symbolize something.
00:17:53.040 -->
00:17:55.542So I think, for me, I think a lot of it was just like this.
00:17:55.542 -->
00:17:58.506It's like a you know, it's a new day.
00:17:58.506 -->
00:17:59.425Yeah.
00:17:59.425 -->
00:18:11.358That's what the symbolization for me was is that it was like that was the you know, everything that I just experienced, the traumatic experience, the sweating through it and going through it.
00:18:11.358 -->
00:18:15.538It's like you know, like you get to the end of that and now it's a new day, the sun comes up again.
00:18:15.538 -->
00:18:16.882It's a it's a fresh start.
00:18:17.684 -->
00:18:23.116There you go, right and so now it's like then you and you know, you know me, I'm wired where.
00:18:23.116 -->
00:18:25.644I'm like fuck as soon as I'm done.
00:18:25.644 -->
00:18:33.057Going like as soon as it was, I was through.
00:18:33.057 -->
00:18:33.480You know what I mean.
00:18:33.480 -->
00:18:33.660Like I'm.
00:18:33.660 -->
00:18:39.401I'm like sitting up with that eye mask on music still playing, like up against my back, against the wall, and I'm like I'm ready to go, like you know what I mean like I'm ready to fucking go.
00:18:39.461 -->
00:18:40.384I got these problems.
00:18:40.384 -->
00:18:42.258I got a list of the things that I know I gotta do.
00:18:42.258 -->
00:18:46.776Here's my fucking the 20 that I've been fucking you know, not focused on.
00:18:46.776 -->
00:18:52.684I'm focused on all these other things and it's like now I know exactly what this thing is because it just removed the emotion.
00:18:52.684 -->
00:19:03.808Yeah, now he comes in and like removes the eye mask and obviously you ain't moving that fast once the eye mask comes off, because everything's like you're still very psilocybin-y going on you know what I mean.
00:19:03.868 -->
00:19:05.756It's like everything's like purple and shit.
00:19:05.756 -->
00:19:08.744So I'm like, whoa, maybe I'm not gonna move as fast as I thought I was going to move.
00:19:08.785 -->
00:19:09.586You know, what I mean.
00:19:10.028 -->
00:19:19.380But you know, in that moment you get up and you know I just journaled a bunch of shit down, I'm like hey man, you know, these are the things that I here's my biggest takeaways right.
00:19:19.380 -->
00:19:20.123Here's the things right.
00:19:20.123 -->
00:19:37.920And if I, you know, for me, if I look at that, you know, when you're building a business, you, you, you, obviously the business is an image of you.
00:19:37.920 -->
00:19:38.563Yeah.
00:19:38.964 -->
00:19:43.500Right, as a young entrepreneur, you're building this thing, and so you.
00:19:43.500 -->
00:19:48.253There's stages of it, I think, but I think, like it, you have.
00:19:48.253 -->
00:19:51.423You almost like build this shrine of yourself.
00:19:51.423 -->
00:19:52.145Yeah.
00:19:52.494 -->
00:20:09.696Where everything revolves around you and everyone under you symbol, like wants to be like you, or aspires to be like that, or you know all of these things Right, because you kind of put yourself up on this pedestal and you don't do it on purpose, it's just like.
00:20:09.696 -->
00:20:11.982You just do it because that's what the you know.
00:20:11.982 -->
00:20:14.440The business needs an identity, the business needs a character.
00:20:14.440 -->
00:20:16.622The business needs a person that's good.
00:20:16.622 -->
00:20:17.203You know what I mean.
00:20:17.203 -->
00:20:19.282Like no different than we love a good story.
00:20:20.236 -->
00:20:24.030It's all personality traits of you 100%.
00:20:24.373 -->
00:20:35.405Yeah Right, and so you, basically you create this shrine of yourself, but you know in creating that you evolve as a person and you change and you develop.
00:20:35.405 -->
00:20:38.737And then you know if you don't like, if you don't actually reflect and address the things.
00:20:38.737 -->
00:20:48.885Like for me, my pattern is is that when I get frustrated or irritated or whatever it might be like for most of my life, I just had to figure shit out by myself.
00:20:48.885 -->
00:20:49.067Right.
00:20:55.914 -->
00:20:56.195I didn't have.
00:20:56.195 -->
00:20:56.758You know, I didn't know.
00:20:56.758 -->
00:21:00.332Like I don't say I didn't have, but you know my, my neither of my parents were very like consoling or like where are you at or how can I help you.
00:21:00.332 -->
00:21:07.304Like I don't ever remember a single day of like ever having one of my parents sit down with me and be like let's do your homework, yeah, or like hey, have you read a book?
00:21:07.304 -->
00:21:09.205Or like hey, have you applied for college?
00:21:09.646 -->
00:21:10.607Or hey like none of that.
00:21:10.647 -->
00:21:12.190It was just like do your thing, kid.
00:21:12.190 -->
00:21:13.511You know what I mean?
00:21:13.511 -->
00:21:20.507And it's like I was basically raised that don't make your problems my problems, right, If your problems become my problems.
00:21:20.507 -->
00:21:34.105We got a problem and so you just kept yourself in line by never creating problems, but you also were forced to solve your own problems and figure things out by yourself and never trust anybody and never rely on anybody, and it's like you got you.
00:21:34.105 -->
00:21:35.106Yeah.
00:21:35.267 -->
00:21:48.366Right, and, and so, as you're building this company and you're creating this thing and this entity and this thing, you know, you get to this point where you turn around and you hate it and you resent it.
00:21:48.366 -->
00:21:49.209Yeah.
00:21:49.394 -->
00:21:52.744And it's the thing that you built and the thing that you wanted more than anything.
00:21:52.744 -->
00:21:57.807And it's like I don't even recognize that thing anymore because that's not who I am.
00:21:57.807 -->
00:22:11.161So, like now I'm here, but the business is here, and it's like this, this, this, this, this conflict is happening because you've expanded and grown but your business hasn't caught up with you yet.
00:22:11.161 -->
00:22:12.565Yeah, Right.
00:22:12.565 -->
00:22:16.365And so now you're looking back and like you don't know what you don't know and you can't solve it.
00:22:16.365 -->
00:22:25.103So if I'm like frustrated because we don't have a meeting cadence or you know this thing or this thing or this thing, like all of these little problems, I'm frustrated.
00:22:25.103 -->
00:22:36.335So when I get frustrated, rather than me, you know, actually figuring out how to solve it or do the thing, I just like silo myself, I numb myself, Right.
00:22:36.335 -->
00:22:44.480I do anything I can to detach from the present situation and put myself in a corner and then be like I'm going to figure it out.
00:22:44.480 -->
00:22:45.320Yeah.
00:22:45.500 -->
00:22:46.080By myself.
00:22:46.080 -->
00:22:57.288And then I leave you know this organization, that all this organism and organization is doing is seeking my approval.
00:22:57.288 -->
00:23:00.269Yeah, seeking for me to say good job.
00:23:00.269 -->
00:23:04.692Yeah, seeking for me to everything is being done to please me.
00:23:04.692 -->
00:23:11.096Yet.
00:23:11.195 -->
00:23:13.077I hate me and the thing so much that it's like it's unpleasable.
00:23:13.117 -->
00:23:14.380Wow, does that make sense?
00:23:14.941 -->
00:23:22.730Yeah, yeah, cause for me that makes me like reflect with, like the media company and the things that I lack.
00:23:22.730 -->
00:23:42.546So like for me, like organization, um, I was, I'm a very uh, I don't want to say like adhd type type brain, um, but like for me, if I don't see something out in front of me, it doesn't like it's doesn't exist sometimes.
00:23:42.546 -->
00:23:47.885So like, if you look at my desk, I've got one thing here and got one thing there, one thing there, one thing there.
00:23:47.885 -->
00:24:09.380But now I'm reflecting on a business level and I've gotten better at that because I forced myself to put things away and remember where I put things and, looking at the, the business, it's the holes are your holes, yeah the whole thing.
00:24:09.440 -->
00:24:13.007it's like, uh, it's unorganized, it's missing this.
00:24:13.166 -->
00:24:14.108It's a reflection of you.
00:24:14.108 -->
00:24:17.303Yeah Right, and that's the thing is.
00:24:17.303 -->
00:24:18.144Is that it's like?
00:24:18.144 -->
00:24:21.534And I think that's the evolution of everything?
00:24:21.595 -->
00:24:35.645right Is it like in order to learn, in order to you know, figure out the thing that you need to know, you have to do the work and go through that thing to learn it, to know it, to get like, yeah, there's no way around it, right.
00:24:35.645 -->
00:24:55.461And so like, if I look at the business and I'm like man, like I wish you know this was better, or like there's so many things that you know for the first three years of growing it that, like I had I just turned a blind eye to because it was overwhelming or daunting or I didn't understand it, or there are other things to focus on or there are distractions.
00:24:55.461 -->
00:24:58.582You know what I mean, so I just like keep it out of sight, out of mind.
00:24:58.582 -->
00:24:59.362Yeah.
00:25:00.082 -->
00:25:09.266And you, but eventually like no different than your own life, like you have to go back and solve those problems at some point, literally.
00:25:09.385 -->
00:25:12.487You can't ignore the problem forever, because it's just going to stack.
00:25:12.487 -->
00:25:17.128Or it's going to become that ceiling, yeah, or it's going to stop you from growing and it's like now.
00:25:17.128 -->
00:25:29.693So you have to go back and you've got to fix those things and solve those things and learn and you know, learn you and learn why you ignored those things or what about it or what's the story you're telling yourself Like I'm not a numbers guy.
00:25:30.954 -->
00:25:31.699Yeah, exactly yeah.
00:25:31.699 -->
00:25:32.142What about it?
00:25:32.142 -->
00:25:39.542Or what's the story you're telling yourself like I'm not a numbers guy, yeah, exactly, yeah, and I mean holy shit yeah dude.
00:25:39.883 -->
00:25:57.085That makes me like what's that saying is how you do one thing is how you do everything, and there's so much truth to that now that hearing your experience and stuff like that just opened my eyes completely, because today, for me, was a day of clarity as well.
00:25:57.085 -->
00:26:04.288I'm like I got on a sales call today but I was like what am I selling this guy?
00:26:04.288 -->
00:26:21.567I'm not sure and I know what I'm selling, but like the, the specifics of it and like the long-term goal of it, and for me it's maybe I didn't have that long-term goal myself.
00:26:22.667 -->
00:26:35.643Um, and that whole story is like, yeah, mind blowing like, yeah, mind-blowing, yeah, man, because it's just like that and that's how we like, that's just how we operate right.
00:26:35.643 -->
00:26:45.256So we're always you know it's in, you know you look at prado distribution and you know, you look at all these different things right, it's like you always cut to 80, 20 yeah right 80, 20 is that?
00:26:45.497 -->
00:26:52.648you know, if you're looking at a business, 20 of your client base produces 80% of your revenue, right?
00:26:52.648 -->
00:26:55.984So that means that there's 80% that you're focused on.
00:26:55.984 -->
00:27:03.423That isn't moving the needle, but that 80% tells that that's an active, it's an activity 80%.
00:27:03.423 -->
00:27:08.058It's an 80% that makes us feel good, it's an 80% that makes us want to serve everybody.
00:27:08.058 -->
00:27:09.260It's an 80%.
00:27:09.280 -->
00:27:21.421That right, but it's not actually doing anything for you or the business, but you continue to serve it and you continue to put resources and time and focus and all of the things that keep you from actually hyper-focusing on that.
00:27:21.421 -->
00:27:22.10320%.
00:27:22.103 -->
00:27:22.945Yeah.
00:27:23.536 -->
00:27:25.102And your life is the same way.
00:27:25.102 -->
00:27:30.537Right, there's like we have no different than the business, that like everything revolves around this 80-20.
00:27:30.537 -->
00:27:46.669But so often we're focused on that 80% or distracted by that 80%, where it's like what's the actual 20%, like what's the things that actually have to happen right now that's going to solve the not just the right now, like what's the real problem, what's the why?
00:27:46.669 -->
00:27:50.692It's asking yourself that question, why does that matter?
00:27:50.692 -->
00:27:53.498Why does that really matter?
00:27:53.498 -->
00:27:54.141Yeah, yeah, why do I think?
00:27:54.161 -->
00:27:55.748that matters why do I think that that matters?
00:27:55.808 -->
00:27:57.214you know, and it's just like getting through.
00:27:57.214 -->
00:27:58.218It's like, oh shit, all right.
00:27:58.218 -->
00:28:02.796Well, you know, it's not a this problem, it's a that problem, right, and and that.
00:28:02.856 -->
00:28:21.640And that's where the psychedelics come in yeah because, in order to get down to that, why you get to that final why like oh, this is this is why you get to that final why and prior to the psychedelic, that final why is construed by an emotion and so it's not a true why.
00:28:21.640 -->
00:28:23.913Yeah, it's the why we tell ourselves.
00:28:23.913 -->
00:28:26.515It's the why that we are looking through everybody else's lens.
00:28:26.515 -->
00:28:28.563It's the why that we think should be the right answer.
00:28:28.563 -->
00:28:30.843It's the why that our spouse wants to hear.
00:28:30.843 -->
00:28:38.219It's the why that we think should be the right answer.
00:28:38.219 -->
00:28:39.182It's the why that our spouse wants to hear.
00:28:39.182 -->
00:28:39.923It's the why that our boss wants.
00:28:39.923 -->
00:28:45.298It's the why that we're still not actually true on the why and you go through a psychedelic experience and it allows, it pulls the emotional way and it just gives you clarity and like, oh, that's the why.
00:28:45.298 -->
00:28:46.279Now.
00:28:46.359 -->
00:28:50.006I know, like now I get it Right when I'm like for me.
00:28:50.006 -->
00:28:52.971I immediately came out of it and I'm like I have a.
00:28:52.971 -->
00:29:05.604I have a mentor of mine, right, ryan, who's been, you know, an incredible resource and, you know, mentor and, just you know, one of my best friends to this day.
00:29:05.604 -->
00:29:36.561Right Met him five years ago and I I came out of this experience and I'm like Ryan's my bottleneck, right, because Ryan's my bottleneck, because I'm torn between this, this, I'm on this fence of like we're like best friends, but then he's also a mentor, and so it's like I don't come to him for things that I'd want to, like what I need a best friend for.
00:29:36.561 -->
00:29:40.183I don't come to him for that, yeah, but he is that.
00:29:40.183 -->
00:29:43.665And when I need a mentor, I don't come to him for that because he's a friend.
00:29:43.665 -->
00:29:45.626Yeah, you know what I mean.
00:29:45.707 -->
00:29:54.051And it's like so that I'm running all of my decisions and things through this Right, and then that that cascades into the business because I'm like, all right, I'm going to try this thing.
00:29:54.051 -->
00:29:55.192He's like, ah, well, don't do that.
00:29:55.192 -->
00:30:06.896You know I did that for this and this, but then there's no direction on like, hey, if you're not going to do that, then do this instead, right, and so then it.
00:30:06.896 -->
00:30:22.203You know, this guy's got a $250 million company and so he's sharing with me thoughts from a $250 million company CEO level and I'm at a $10 million, $12 million company level Very different levels.
00:30:22.824 -->
00:30:27.666Maybe that's the perspective that he wanted you to see.
00:30:27.666 -->
00:30:32.189Yeah, you know what I mean, and it might be right, and so it's like, but then that like.
00:30:32.229 -->
00:30:35.589so then I had to like I literally came out of it and I texted it.
00:30:35.589 -->
00:30:40.853I'm like yo, bro, I need to meet you tonight at the office, and like I'm going to sit down and have this conversation with them.
00:30:40.853 -->
00:30:41.393Yeah.
00:30:41.393 -->
00:30:52.944Because I'm like this is we're homies and like, but I also still pay you every month to be a mentor.
00:30:52.944 -->
00:30:53.488But like, are you a mentor?
00:30:53.488 -->
00:30:54.031Are you a homie?
00:30:54.031 -->
00:30:54.252You know?
00:30:54.252 -->
00:31:01.281What I mean, but we are homies, so it's like so it's just like this weird thing and then I'm like look and it's like, then I avoid the conversation and I avoid it.
00:31:01.321 -->
00:31:04.163So I'm like, because I know that, if it's like, all right, remove that.
00:31:04.163 -->
00:31:14.742And I sit down with him and say yo, bro, a friend, yeah, I'd be a mentor, I need you and be that.
00:31:14.742 -->
00:31:30.746But like I can't look at you through the lens, like we're too, because no matter what you would like, yes, you're a mentor, but you're also such a friend now that, no matter what, no matter what thing I bring to you, you have emotion to me that's an interesting perspective on mentorship in general.
00:31:31.326 -->
00:31:38.548You know what I mean, because I've heard also that a mentor should be a friend and that it's bad if you pay a mentor.
00:31:38.548 -->
00:31:41.863Some people from college were saying that.
00:31:42.015 -->
00:31:43.682I was like oh, I paid this guy this amount.
00:31:43.682 -->
00:31:45.583They're like that is mind-blowing.
00:31:45.583 -->
00:31:46.700Why would you ever do that?
00:31:46.700 -->
00:31:54.553You could have done this, this and that with that money you could have went on vacation, this and that, but like it's.
00:31:54.553 -->
00:32:04.930It's just such a dynamic because it's like when you're paying somebody to kind of be your friend, but it's but the thing is, is that most so?
00:32:04.990 -->
00:32:05.230I think?
00:32:05.230 -->
00:32:08.089I think there's a, there's like a pivotal point.
00:32:08.089 -->
00:32:08.612Yeah.
00:32:08.612 -->
00:32:22.015Right Because, like, if you look at today's space and there's all these gurus and all these things, these coaches, right it's like majority of them aren't set up for longevity.
00:32:22.375 -->
00:32:30.618Yeah, so majority of them are like it's a pay me now get your answer, go on, kind of thing Right.
00:32:30.618 -->
00:32:38.424Rarely do you have it to where you pay and invest a certain time and then over time you build the relationship and you build a friendship.
00:32:38.424 -->
00:32:50.167Like Ryan runs a call with 30 other business owners in it but you know all, so he's he's able to coach them and seize them at this level and helps them and but then you know he's downstairs for me.
00:32:50.167 -->
00:32:51.590Yeah true.
00:32:51.991 -->
00:32:53.737You know what I mean, so it's like so so.
00:32:53.737 -->
00:33:02.451So our relationship has almost outgrown mentorship To where now it's more of a friendship.
00:33:02.451 -->
00:33:03.173It's not a mentor.
00:33:03.173 -->
00:33:09.306I still look up to him and it's still a thing, but it's like we're friends, we're this you know, what I mean.
00:33:09.326 -->
00:33:17.954So I think that most mentorships don't mature to that, because a lot of it is just like you know, I've, I've paid, I've hired a shit ton of coaches.
00:33:17.954 -->
00:33:39.133Yeah right, you know ryan has paid tony robbins, but tony robbins, and you know, ryan and tony robbins aren't going to become me and ryan yeah, yeah, I mean, I guess it depends on who's in your network really um, because if you know somebody and they're close to you and then you're like, hey, I'm super interested in this subject, could you connect me with this person?
00:33:39.153 -->
00:33:40.015They'll be like, yeah sure.
00:33:40.015 -->
00:33:42.086I know so-and-so by this.
00:33:42.086 -->
00:33:43.534Could you talk to them about that?
00:33:43.534 -->
00:33:47.066And nine times out of 10, they're going to be like, yeah, sure, 100%.
00:33:47.146 -->
00:33:53.315And I think investing in mentorship it's a an exponential win.
00:33:53.315 -->
00:33:59.131You know what I mean, where you know.
00:33:59.131 -->
00:34:08.934I think that like it's such a big thing because like, and I would reinvest and I was, and I'd still, and like this isn't like there's no nothing of me saying here to like not invest in a mentor.
00:34:09.114 -->
00:34:10.757Right, because we all need that A hundred percent.
00:34:10.885 -->
00:34:13.775My thing is that my mentor has now become my best friend.
00:34:13.775 -->
00:34:30.268Yeah, yeah, and so it's so that now it's like I'm on this thing where like I'm not really relying on, like I'm not going to him because I feel ashamed, because I'm not, you know, leading up to you know, or doing business in a certain way, or I made this mistake, or I did this thing.
00:34:30.268 -->
00:34:36.396And so you know, rather than me coming to him for that, him for that, then I'm also not like leveraging him as a friend either, Right.
00:34:36.436 -->
00:34:42.849And so it's like it's a constraint on our relationship and our friendship.
00:34:42.849 -->
00:34:49.469But then that bottlenecks into the company, because now I see myself where you know the people that I'm leading in, you know over top of where, now you know I.
00:34:49.469 -->
00:34:52.914What was once a mentorship has become a friendship.
00:34:54.838 -->
00:34:58.565Right and so that has to transition to where it's like that's and now it's understanding that.
00:34:58.565 -->
00:35:00.532That's that, that has evolved.
00:35:00.532 -->
00:35:01.356It's not this.
00:35:01.356 -->
00:35:05.228Now it's a hey, we're work, we work together or we are building, like.
00:35:05.228 -->
00:35:12.748We have to understand that it's not, you know, like yeah, you're looking up to me, but we're also on the same team at the same time now.
00:35:12.748 -->
00:35:14.271So it has to shift that lens.
00:35:14.291 -->
00:35:15.693It's like, let's do this thing.
00:35:15.873 -->
00:35:16.514Do this thing.
00:35:16.673 -->
00:35:20.059Yeah, one or the other, one or the other, bro, let's get her.
00:35:20.318 -->
00:35:21.039You got to man.
00:35:21.039 -->
00:35:27.391You know, what I mean and so, yeah, dude, so I think that was like a huge thing for me of just going through that and you know all of it.
00:35:27.391 -->
00:35:40.164Like I just again, you know, look at the frustrations and you're the problem.
00:35:40.164 -->
00:35:40.934Yeah, you're always the problem.
00:35:40.934 -->
00:35:41.717It's always extreme ownership.
00:35:41.717 -->
00:35:41.788You know what I mean?
00:35:41.788 -->
00:35:41.960It's literally.
00:35:41.960 -->
00:35:44.780It's like every single thing that isn't going the way you want it to go in your life is because of you.
00:35:44.780 -->
00:35:47.762Yeah, and most people don't want to accept that.
00:35:48.224 -->
00:36:01.740Yeah, I mean after this conversation I do fancy a little dabble in the uh psychedelic arena bro, yeah, yeah dude, it is it, you know, you, you it every time.
00:36:01.820 -->
00:36:06.996It changes, you you know what I mean every time you grow and expand from it.
00:36:06.996 -->
00:36:09.250I've never had a thing where I came out of it like man.
00:36:09.250 -->
00:36:11.903I wish I wouldn't have done that yeah, you know what I mean.
00:36:11.923 -->
00:36:13.730You always learn right every single thing.
00:36:13.789 -->
00:36:15.414I'm like man oh shit, that that's good.
00:36:15.414 -->
00:36:15.876That's good.
00:36:15.876 -->
00:36:16.485You know what I mean.
00:36:16.485 -->
00:36:24.190And it's being able to, and I you know the more that you experience and it's, and so much of it isn't a.
00:36:24.190 -->
00:36:26.733It's not a like you, because I'm doing the work already.
00:36:26.733 -->
00:36:44.110Yeah, right, like you can't you can't never do the work and then think that you're going to get that the work done and it's going to stick.
00:36:44.311 -->
00:36:45.909Yeah, it opens a door.
00:36:45.909 -->
00:36:47.353It's your job to, it's the.
00:36:47.353 -->
00:36:49.050You've got a constant integration.
00:36:49.050 -->
00:36:49.471You know what I?
00:36:49.510 -->
00:36:58.309mean it's like you, you know, I'm reading books every day, meditating, I'm doing all of these things.
00:36:58.309 -->
00:37:00.860And then it's like, oh shit, like I just need a little more of a direction, I need like a beacon or so.
00:37:00.860 -->
00:37:01.884And then you have an experience.
00:37:01.884 -->
00:37:06.315You're like, yep, now I get it, now we're going to go this way, now that makes sense, right.
00:37:06.315 -->
00:37:08.733And then until that becomes, until I hit that ceiling again.
00:37:08.733 -->
00:37:09.135Yeah.
00:37:09.436 -->
00:37:17.577And then it's like all right, recognizing that ceiling Right and recognizing that thing and recognizing these patterns and actually just being honest with yourself.
00:37:17.577 -->
00:37:18.367Yeah.
00:37:18.367 -->
00:37:19.751With like what's going on?
00:37:19.751 -->
00:37:23.545Right, Because so much of us we just suck at fucking communicating.
00:37:23.824 -->
00:37:33.427Yeah, and the psychedelics are so interesting because there's like the recreational use for like partying and stuff like that, but there's also like the spiritual use.
00:37:33.427 -->
00:37:33.809Yeah.
00:37:33.809 -->
00:37:46.786And when you're using it for like partying, you don't necessarily get the benefit that you would if you were to sit down with a journal or cover your eyes and stuff like that.
00:37:46.786 -->
00:37:49.693Um, get guided through it because most of us are.
00:37:49.773 -->
00:37:52.686When we, when we do it to party, we're doing it to distract.
00:37:52.686 -->
00:37:58.416Yeah right, when you're doing it for a spiritual journey, you're doing it to discover.
00:37:58.416 -->
00:37:59.018Yeah.
00:37:59.018 -->
00:38:07.800Right, you're either using drugs to distract or you're using them to discover, and so you have to determine what you're trying to do.
00:38:07.800 -->
00:38:08.382Yeah.
00:38:08.382 -->
00:38:08.764Right?
00:38:08.764 -->
00:38:13.952Are you trying to numb something Right or are you trying to understand something?
00:38:13.952 -->
00:38:18.206Are you trying to learn more about you or are you trying to avoid you?
00:38:18.789 -->
00:38:18.969that's.
00:38:18.969 -->
00:38:19.572That's funny.
00:38:19.572 -->
00:38:27.855You say that because I overheard a conversation between two individuals and he was like yo man, do you have any uh tools that I can get off of you?
00:38:27.855 -->
00:38:42.375And he was talking about like psychedelics and it was just like it was funny the way he phrased that, because I didn't know people were calling that kind of stuff and I didn't even know anything about this world.
00:38:42.375 -->
00:38:57.461So just having this conversation and knowing that your why is covered by an emotion is really profound.
00:38:57.664 -->
00:38:58.722Revelational it revelational it's.
00:38:58.925 -->
00:39:10.139It's revelational and I want to experience what it's like to feel my why without an emotion attached.
00:39:10.139 -->
00:39:30.876Maybe that's through psychedelics, maybe that's through a different route, but I feel like if somebody can experience their why without any emotion or story that's blocking them from that truth that they need to know, that can change society, change the world, change an individual.
00:39:31.065 -->
00:39:31.565Dude, we.
00:39:31.565 -->
00:39:36.878Everything can literally be effortless.
00:39:36.878 -->
00:39:38.067Yeah, and, easy so simple.
00:39:38.067 -->
00:39:40.775Everything can literally be effortless and easy and the way that you want it to be.
00:39:40.775 -->
00:39:47.806Like we self-sabotage, we hold ourselves back from that, whether we tell ourselves we're not worthy of it.
00:39:47.806 -->
00:39:50.217Whether we tell ourselves we don't deserve it.
00:39:50.217 -->
00:39:52.465Whether we tell ourselves we haven't worked hard enough.
00:39:52.465 -->
00:39:57.197Whether we tell ourselves, like it's, it's the, it's the hero's journey yeah right.
00:39:57.237 -->
00:40:05.570We all have this idea of the hero's journey, and the hero's journey is that, hey man, I don't deserve this thing until I've gone through hell, yeah, so what do we do?
00:40:05.570 -->
00:40:06.393We seek hell.
00:40:06.393 -->
00:40:13.936So, instead of getting ourselves and putting ourselves in the position that we're trying to achieve, we're gonna go all.
00:40:13.936 -->
00:40:17.114We're gonna do all this self-harm and all of this bullshit.
00:40:17.114 -->
00:40:17.775Go all the way around.
00:40:17.804 -->
00:40:24.072We're going to go all the way around it until we're like, oh shit, now I deserve it, I can get to this thing when it's like, no, you could actually have that thing.
00:40:24.072 -->
00:40:27.434Now, you just have to allow yourself to have that thing.
00:40:27.434 -->
00:40:29.753You have to just remove the emotion.
00:40:29.753 -->
00:40:37.175Remove because that emotion might be didn't have a good relationship with my parents, did this, did that, like that emotion might be all of that story.
00:40:37.175 -->
00:40:39.719That emotion is the story you're just telling yourself.
00:40:39.719 -->
00:40:40.179Yeah.
00:40:40.679 -->
00:40:46.635Right For what you deserve and what you don't deserve, and like everything can actually be easy and effortless.
00:40:46.635 -->
00:40:51.887I was on a phone call yesterday with a couple private equity I mean we talked to them for Columbus Revenue Company.
00:40:51.887 -->
00:40:59.536Constantly right, they're reaching, you know, interested in buying the company or buying equity into the company and all of these things.
00:40:59.536 -->
00:41:06.132You know, and I'm having this conversation with these guys and you know these guys are like Harvard, you know.
00:41:06.713 -->
00:41:07.797MBA numbers.
00:41:08.344 -->
00:41:15.195Yeah, you know what I mean, and they're, and they're like, hey, man, you know, basically they're trying to talk you into selling your company, right?
00:41:15.195 -->
00:41:18.059And you know they're like, hey, this is something that we could make happen in three months.
00:41:18.059 -->
00:41:21.594Like, could you, would you be ready to sell by May, right?
00:41:21.594 -->
00:41:26.947And you know, in that moment you're like, fuck man, $5 million in my pocket sounds really good right now.
00:41:27.148 -->
00:41:27.507Yeah.
00:41:27.688 -->
00:41:28.367You know what I mean.
00:41:28.367 -->
00:41:37.193But at the same time I look back and I'm like I've gone through an agonizing three years to get this thing to where it is.
00:41:37.273 -->
00:41:50.219Four million, five million that's not worth it because it's on the cusp of something great and if I settle now, I'm shooting myself in the foot for what could be in the future, and so often that's why you have to get to that.
00:41:50.219 -->
00:41:50.559Why?
00:41:50.559 -->
00:42:01.528Because for me it's like all right, if I consider that conversation or I'm like, yeah, man, maybe I want to do that or that makes sense, it's like what's the why?
00:42:01.528 -->
00:42:02.030Yeah, right, do I?
00:42:02.050 -->
00:42:09.101want to do that because I think that that's the right partner and it's going to expand and it's going to grow us and it's going to do all of these things?
00:42:09.706 -->
00:42:19.568or am I having that conversation because I'm like fuck, I've got to put money in the bank account right now.
00:42:19.588 -->
00:42:26.456Yeah, and it depends on how you are in that, that situ, that every time moment, that's it and it's the, and it's the emotion well, right, and it's the being able to remove the emotion to get to the true why.
00:42:26.456 -->
00:42:33.898Because then I have those conversations and then you know by the end of it I'm like these motherfuckers know nothing about this business.
00:42:33.898 -->
00:42:36.369Yeah, they know nothing about roofing.
00:42:36.369 -->
00:42:37.451They're're not leaders.
00:42:37.451 -->
00:42:47.994They got a fucking business degree from an Ivy League school that tells them how to run a profit and loss sheet and tells them how to run a cash flow statement.
00:42:47.994 -->
00:42:50.072They don't know nothing about leadership.
00:42:50.072 -->
00:42:52.413They don't know nothing about the business.
00:42:52.413 -->
00:43:02.954They know stuff about what a book taught them about business and they're out there raising $100 million, $250 million, $300 million, and they're buying conglomerates of these companies and they're doing it.
00:43:02.954 -->
00:43:06.731Why can't I do that?
00:43:06.731 -->
00:43:08.831I know more about the business.
00:43:09.271 -->
00:43:09.853You know what I mean.
00:43:09.985 -->
00:43:10.106Like.
00:43:10.106 -->
00:43:11.431I've actually done the thing.
00:43:11.431 -->
00:43:13.231They haven't even done it and they're doing it.
00:43:13.231 -->
00:43:21.534So it's like you know, when I on the other side of that, I'm like he's like you know, cause what we're trying to do is we want to find, you know, a couple of room.
00:43:21.534 -->
00:43:33.032Come, bring together, kind of have this, you know, build this, you know a collective of different, you know roofers, and get everybody together and arbitrage the whole thing and sell this thing off in five to six years, and I'm like I could do that.
00:43:33.172 -->
00:43:42.335I don't need you yeah, yeah right, I don't need to sell this big percentage like sell my soul yeah, right think about if you look at hollywood, right you?
00:43:42.335 -->
00:43:45.570Fucking, sell your soul in the moment, because your emotion is there.
00:43:45.570 -->
00:43:48.096In the moment, all you can think about is what?
00:43:48.096 -->
00:43:48.336That?
00:43:48.336 -->
00:43:52.193What's the needs that you're trying to meet right now.
00:43:52.193 -->
00:43:57.128Yeah, so you make a decision, you fucking emotional you sell your soul to be a celebrity, yeah, and.
00:43:57.128 -->
00:44:01.235And then you get five years into it and you're like that was the worst decision I ever made.
00:44:02.637 -->
00:44:03.318You know what I mean.
00:44:03.318 -->
00:44:03.920Why did I do?
00:44:03.980 -->
00:44:04.159that.
00:44:04.159 -->
00:44:04.646Why did?
00:44:04.646 -->
00:44:05.431I sell my soul?
00:44:05.431 -->
00:44:07.313Why did I sell myself short?
00:44:07.313 -->
00:44:08.847Why did I give up on a dream?
00:44:08.847 -->
00:44:17.559Why did I sell my company when I could have went another 12 months and looked back and solved the things and actually went through the problems and all the things that I'm ignoring?
00:44:17.559 -->
00:44:25.239Right, it's like all the all of those things and figure those out, because if I sell my soul now, I still never figured them out.
00:44:25.239 -->
00:44:25.920Yeah.
00:44:26.684 -->
00:44:32.168So I'm going to get to on the other side of it, get money in your pocket with a bunch of unsolved problems.
00:44:32.168 -->
00:44:33.373Yeah, and guess what.
00:44:33.945 -->
00:44:35.534You're going to have to go through those same problems and guess what?
00:44:35.554 -->
00:44:38.487You're going to have to go through those same problems and guess what If you can't make like?
00:44:38.487 -->
00:44:41.096That's why people that win the lottery don't fucking maintain it.
00:44:41.096 -->
00:44:58.88090-some percent of them lose everything because they didn't build the capacity, they didn't build the abilities, they didn't build the strengths, they didn't do the things that actually helped them to become the person that is capable of obtaining or achieving set amount of income.
00:44:58.880 -->
00:45:01.030Yeah, so they're handed it to them.
00:45:01.311 -->
00:45:01.913And guess what?
00:45:01.913 -->
00:45:06.971You've got no disciplines, you've got no direction, you've got none of these things.
00:45:06.971 -->
00:45:09.485And so, because you didn't have to build those muscles, you know what I mean?
00:45:09.485 -->
00:45:15.577You can't skip those things, because if you skip those things at some point you're going to go through them.
00:45:15.577 -->
00:45:23.717So it's like every challenge that you're going through, every hurdle that you're going through, it's like you're going through it because you're growing through it.
00:45:23.717 -->
00:45:32.195Yeah, because you have to go through if you want to actually become that person that's capable of becoming that highest version of you.
00:45:32.195 -->
00:45:34.105You've got to go through this shit.
00:45:34.105 -->
00:45:39.255Now you can ignore it and you can settle and you can become complacent and you can sell your soul.
00:45:40.237 -->
00:45:40.498True.
00:45:40.724 -->
00:45:42.108But it's never going to fulfill you.
00:45:42.108 -->
00:46:01.487Yeah, because you, you're, you're, you're going to keep seeking and ignoring and changing and numbing and all of those things until you can eventually get to that point where you're like like I look at the business now and I'm like all the things I'm going back through I'm like, oh man, like this is making me a better business owner, this is making me a better leader, this is making me like all of these things.
00:46:01.487 -->
00:46:05.425I'm checking these boxes of shit where I'm like, oh fuck, dude, once I've gone through this, once.
00:46:05.425 -->
00:46:09.516Yeah, now I can go do it 10 times, yeah, I can do it 15 times.
00:46:09.516 -->
00:46:12.307And now it's not about me doing it, it's about me empowering people to do it.
00:46:12.367 -->
00:46:13.809It's about you know, as you.
00:46:13.809 -->
00:46:24.994You know, like I said, you kind of build this shrine of yourself that you get to the point that you hate it and you're, you can't stand it because it's not who you are, but it is who you are, yeah, and you.
00:46:24.994 -->
00:46:27.684But the thing is is that you can't be that anymore.
00:46:27.684 -->
00:46:32.952So you have to start to change those patterns and change those things Like what got you here ain't going to get you there.
00:46:32.952 -->
00:46:33.753Yeah.
00:46:34.074 -->
00:46:34.976Right, doing your.
00:46:34.976 -->
00:46:41.425You know, when you build a business you're very task oriented You're doing this and you're doing this, and you're doing this, and you're doing this and you're doing that.
00:46:41.425 -->
00:46:42.989Like that gets it off the ground.
00:46:42.989 -->
00:46:46.697To scale it, you have to become relationship oriented.
00:46:46.697 -->
00:46:54.367You've got to start relying on resources and connections and people, or building the people, or helping the people.
00:46:54.367 -->
00:46:56.554Right, it's like everything changes.
00:46:56.554 -->
00:47:04.269It's like, but so much of us, because we have control, and all of these things that like we're, we're going to be, like I'm going to do it, because nobody can do it as good as me.
00:47:04.269 -->
00:47:04.831Yeah.
00:47:05.012 -->
00:47:06.076It's like all right, well, guess what?
00:47:06.076 -->
00:47:08.007You're going to stay stuck for a long time, True?
00:47:08.007 -->
00:47:11.309Until you realize it ain't about anyone doing it as good as you.
00:47:11.309 -->
00:47:18.637It's about you being able to tell people what needs done and then allowing them to do it as good as they can do it and helping them make that better.
00:47:18.998 -->
00:47:21.380Yeah, and I think that's important too.
00:47:21.380 -->
00:47:26.210Um, and that's where the mentor side comes in as well.
00:47:26.210 -->
00:47:30.865Maybe that's the lesson that's trying to be taught this whole time.
00:47:32.489 -->
00:47:35.114It's funny you say the the thing about the lottery.
00:47:35.114 -->
00:47:39.864I had a buddy in high school that won the lottery for $20 million.
00:47:39.864 -->
00:47:45.856Like his parents did, they bought a huge house, the big U driveway, big gate.
00:47:45.856 -->
00:47:49.673They were there for a year and they had to sell the property.
00:47:49.673 -->
00:48:03.972They sold everything, they got all the cars and then they were right back to where they were so yeah, because you didn't learn the lesson, you didn't learn a lesson and you didn't become that.
00:48:04.072 -->
00:48:04.775You know what I mean.
00:48:04.775 -->
00:48:18.704So it's like if you see yourself, you know, getting frustrated, irritated, pissed off, like these things that we feel in the moment we just just got to recognize that right.
00:48:18.704 -->
00:48:24.873Because there's a reason that we're going through this thing, because it's making us think about every hard conversation you didn't want to have.
00:48:24.873 -->
00:48:27.545You never got on the other side of that conversation.
00:48:27.545 -->
00:48:29.451It was like, man, I wish I didn't have that conversation.
00:48:29.451 -->
00:48:29.952Yeah.
00:48:29.952 -->
00:48:31.115Every time you had it.
00:48:31.115 -->
00:48:31.826You're like fuck.
00:48:31.826 -->
00:48:32.407Yeah.
00:48:32.407 -->
00:48:33.389What a relief.
00:48:33.389 -->
00:48:34.070Yeah.
00:48:34.291 -->
00:48:34.731And guess what?
00:48:34.731 -->
00:48:37.235It probably didn't go nearly as bad as you thought it was going to go.
00:48:37.396 -->
00:48:42.652A hundred percent and, um, with what I do in the the social media space.
00:48:42.652 -->
00:49:02.264It makes me want to delete social media sometimes because of the lies that are being told on there and how, um how, these people are skipping these lessons and these the stuff that they had to go through.
00:49:02.264 -->
00:49:06.833But I have a feeling that most of the stuff that I see is just completely fake.
00:49:06.853 -->
00:49:07.454It's fake dude.
00:49:07.454 -->
00:49:08.876It's fake bro.
00:49:08.876 -->
00:49:10.179Yeah, it is.
00:49:10.179 -->
00:49:11.246It's all, it's all.
00:49:11.246 -->
00:49:13.592Get rich quick schemes, it's.
00:49:13.592 -->
00:49:17.394You know there's levels on levels, on levels of this shit.
00:49:17.394 -->
00:49:19.268Yeah, you know what I mean.
00:49:19.268 -->
00:49:19.710And and, and.
00:49:19.710 -->
00:49:23.065That's where it's like you can't compare yourself to what anybody else is doing.
00:49:23.065 -->
00:49:32.456You can't wish yourself to be in a better position because you're exactly where you're supposed to be, on purpose, for a purpose, in this moment, right now.
00:49:32.456 -->
00:49:35.811The world would be different if you weren't exactly where you are.
00:49:36.393 -->
00:49:36.835You feel?
00:49:36.855 -->
00:49:45.128like you're just this little blimp or this, this little, this little speck in this whole thing but, you, remove you from it, look, everything changes.
00:49:45.128 -->
00:49:46.190Take you, for example.
00:49:46.291 -->
00:49:47.072It's a whole pie.
00:49:47.072 -->
00:49:48.153It's a whole pie, bro.
00:49:48.153 -->
00:49:48.855You know what I mean.
00:49:48.916 -->
00:49:50.878And it's like you, like right you.
00:49:50.878 -->
00:49:51.599You work here.
00:49:51.599 -->
00:49:57.492We we're not shooting this podcast.
00:49:58.226 -->
00:50:04.172We're not sharing this message Right, and every one of us has that happening.
00:50:04.172 -->
00:50:19.175It's like so all of us recognizing that, like dude we are, every single one of us is a leader to some extent, where every single one of us is a piece that makes everything around us work, and we feel like we're irrelevant or feel like we're not.
00:50:19.175 -->
00:50:43.653And it's like now we've got to actually embody that and we got to understand that and we got to recognize that where we are is where we're supposed to be and saying stop distracting yourself and trying to say like, sit in your present reality and look at it and adjust it and fix it and make it better, Because if you don't, it's just going to keep coming back and it's going to come back and you're not going to grow and you're not going to evolve and it's not going to change.
00:50:43.653 -->
00:50:45.768It's like you're going through the shit.
00:50:45.829 -->
00:50:47.585Now there's two sides of it.
00:50:47.585 -->
00:50:49.893It's like you choose pleasure now you get pain.
00:50:49.893 -->
00:50:53.907Later Sell the soul now, guess what's going to happen.
00:50:53.907 -->
00:50:54.952You're going to regret it.
00:50:54.952 -->
00:51:07.094Get through the hard, grow, build, become a version of you that has more capacity, more capabilities, more leadership, more all of these things.
00:51:07.094 -->
00:51:14.213Then there's pleasure on the other side, because now you've learned how to do all those things and you've learned how to empower other people and it's like that's all it is.
00:51:14.213 -->
00:51:22.822Yeah Right, so it's either you, you get pleasure now and you get pain later, or you get pain now and you get pain later, or you get pain now and you get pleasure later.
00:51:22.862 -->
00:51:27.721Yeah, and it's just recognizing that it's like everything is just a season.
00:51:27.762 -->
00:51:37.492Yeah, and there's a season for planting, there's a season for growing and grooming, and there's a season for harvesting and there's a season where you ain't growing shit.
00:51:37.492 -->
00:51:40.514So be prepared for that off season, yeah.
00:51:40.514 -->
00:51:42.097Be prepared for when shit ain't growing.
00:51:42.097 -->
00:51:45.018Be prepared for when them crops ain't bringing you in money, yeah.
00:51:45.018 -->
00:51:48.141But also be ready to start planting again, yeah, and learning that.
00:51:48.141 -->
00:51:48.802You know what I mean.
00:51:48.802 -->
00:52:07.193And it's like it's the cycle that we're constantly on and it's like I look back and I'm like man areas in my life where I am at today that I was at three years ago and I'm like three years ago, I'm like I'll never be here again Still here, yeah, guess what I didn't.
00:52:07.373 -->
00:52:09.978I ignored it, right I did.
00:52:09.978 -->
00:52:12.561I didn't focus on it, didn't learn so I'm here again.
00:52:12.561 -->
00:52:13.626I'm there again.
00:52:13.626 -->
00:52:15.688I'm still stuck there in this in in certain areas.
00:52:15.728 -->
00:52:18.994So it's like okay, you know, now you're going to keep.
00:52:18.994 -->
00:52:21.340How often do you want to repeat this cycle?
00:52:21.340 -->
00:52:25.235How many times do you want to come back and be in the same position again?
00:52:25.235 -->
00:52:26.411How many times do you want to?
00:52:26.411 -->
00:52:35.039You know, as a farmer, right, how many times do you want to come into the cold season and you ain't got nothing and you're scrambling to fucking figure shit out?
00:52:35.039 -->
00:52:37.007How many times do you want to go through that?
00:52:37.007 -->
00:52:50.121Because you're going to keep going through it until you recognize it, you learn from it, you learn how to save and you learn how to build, and you learn when to harvest and when to plant and you learn when to grow and all of these things.
00:52:50.121 -->
00:53:04.918You know what I mean, dude, and it's like our whole life is like that, and so it's like, think about it, we're always at our best and everything's great when it's fucking coming in, but the second that things get tight, that things aren't growing, world's crumbling.
00:53:04.940 -->
00:53:06.726the world's crumbling, dude you know what I mean, and it's like.
00:53:06.746 -->
00:53:16.592So you've got to be able to get yourself in the position where, when things aren't that that season of harvesting that you can still be in a good position.
00:53:16.592 -->
00:53:24.250Man, we just fucking yeah, I just reckless to get us back.
00:53:24.670 -->
00:53:40.175I don't know what to say I want to go take over the world pretty much and reflect and tackle all the things tackle all the information that I just took in and maybe sit sit silently for a while yeah, did I even say?
00:53:40.215 -->
00:54:02.690another thing in my thing was that, like you know, even you know, I I haven't been like shooting pods and stuff as lately obviously you've been, I'm busy and I you know all of these things and I'm like I want to change the podcast name because it's not who I was and I wanted, and like, even just sitting down and doing this and literally before we recorded this drew popped in and he was like hey man, are you guys, are you shooting another podcast?
00:54:02.690 -->
00:54:14.768Uh, you know for like directly CEO podcast, and I'm like, yeah, he's like, oh bro, like I was listening to that one today and like me and Brady were talking like and I'm like, why?
00:54:15.128 -->
00:54:16.989would I why am I trying to change that?
00:54:16.989 -->
00:54:18.490Like, be that.
00:54:18.490 -->
00:54:19.992You know what I mean.
00:54:19.992 -->
00:54:20.932Grow with that.
00:54:20.932 -->
00:54:25.016Don't stop trying to change everything.
00:54:25.797 -->
00:54:26.717It's the stories.
00:54:26.717 -->
00:54:28.219It's the stories, right so?
00:54:28.259 -->
00:54:32.481I'm like I'm not recording because I want to have a new podcast name and a new thing.
00:54:32.481 -->
00:54:34.527I'm not this thing anymore.
00:54:34.527 -->
00:54:38.768And so I'm like dude, the thing is irrelevant, you're you.
00:54:38.768 -->
00:54:41.224No matter who you are, you know what I mean.
00:54:41.224 -->
00:54:43.233Like, the vehicle don't matter, you're the vessel.
00:54:43.233 -->
00:54:44.429The vessel is all that matters.
00:54:44.429 -->
00:54:46.490Yeah, the vehicle is irrelevant.
00:54:46.490 -->
00:54:52.793The vehicle might be a fucking company, it might be a fucking car, it doesn't matter what the vehicle is.
00:54:52.793 -->
00:54:57.135The vessel is always the thing and the vessel is the lesson.
00:54:57.135 -->
00:54:57.695The vessel is the thing.
00:54:57.695 -->
00:54:58.215That, that's what.
00:54:58.215 -->
00:55:00.356That that's the most important thing at all the times.
00:55:00.356 -->
00:55:04.239Yeah, so the recluseo podcast is back, dude.
00:55:04.239 -->
00:55:06.920Yeah, I mean, it can't go anywhere.
00:55:06.960 -->
00:55:09.081yeah, the podcast name can stay the same.
00:55:09.081 -->
00:55:10.583Everybody knows it, right, dude.
00:55:10.583 -->
00:55:12.306That's why I'm like why am I trying to change that?
00:55:12.306 -->
00:55:12.969Why am I trying?
00:55:12.989 -->
00:55:19.431to be like it's just another story you know, I mean I'm like oh, I gotta make people see me different.
00:55:19.431 -->
00:55:19.733I gotta change.
00:55:19.733 -->
00:55:20.315You know what I mean.
00:55:20.315 -->
00:55:21.420I'm like oh, I gotta make people see me different.
00:55:21.440 -->
00:55:21.740I gotta change.
00:55:21.740 -->
00:55:22.242You know what I mean.
00:55:22.242 -->
00:55:27.748I'm like what the no Podcast can stay the same, that don't have to fucking change bro, I'm still that dude.
00:55:28.070 -->
00:55:29.572Yeah, you know what I mean.
00:55:29.572 -->
00:55:31.617Still be that guy, just a different guy.
00:55:31.617 -->
00:55:43.905Yeah just damn it different bro.
00:55:43.905 -->
00:55:44.987Well, I hope this was valuable.
00:55:44.987 -->
00:55:54.778I hope we were able to open up some doors for people and I hope that, you know, the listeners will be able to gain something from this, and I feel like I'm back.
00:55:54.778 -->
00:55:56.240Yeah, we're back.
00:55:56.240 -->
00:55:58.887I feel like we're back in action.
00:55:58.887 -->
00:56:01.172Bro, thanks for joining me and helping this conversation.
00:56:01.172 -->
00:56:03.077My man 100% Anytime.
00:56:03.077 -->
00:56:07.195Well for Reese Bennett, the Reckless CEO we out.
00:56:07.195 -->
00:56:07.858We out.
