Table In The Back | Michael Franzese | Part 2

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But you didn't answer my question.
President, Send me to Bull Gravano.
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Tell me the first thing you would
do to straighten out this country right now?
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You know what a mess we're in. Nobody can deny that we're in
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a mess in this country. You
gotta be you gotta be in a coma
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not to realize it. What would
be the first thing that you would do.
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I would close the border. I
would go after China and India with
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the fenadore. You're making fenidol,
You're sending it to Mexico, cartels are
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bringing it into the border. You're
killing out fucking kids. If you don't
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stop, then I'll fucking bomb the
shit out of it. You got my
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vote. I would just continue from
there. I would go into the schools.
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You're not going to teach the kids
sex education when the fucking kid is
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four or five years old. You
stay away from my kids, Stay away
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from kids. I would watch the
budget. They're spending too much. We're
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killing ourselves. You know that if
you spend borrow of Peter to pay Paul
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Suita Worle, that will blow up
in your face. Recession is not gonna
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help people. I would change the
tax code. I would work on prison
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reform real in a big way.
Things like that that mean something to the
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public. And it's not just why
I'm doing prison reform to get prisoners out
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of prison. When I get about
I want them to be changed. I
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want to give them a shot so
when they come out, they are reformed
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and they're not as dangerous as just
leaving the like animals. So that's gonna
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benefit society, not just somebody who's
in prison during the time. And I
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would get other crimes and say there's
certain crimes I will not tolerate. You'll
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never come to fuck out. Do
you believe in defunding the police? No?
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No, hell no. I mean
if we're talking right now and somebody
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falls on the floor, you have
a floor on the floor and have a
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heart attack, what do you want
me to do? Call a psychologist?
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What do you want me to call
a cop? Cop? Of course you
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do. And some woman's at home, she's alone, or she's with her
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kids or whatever. What is she
gonna do a psychologist? Let me ask
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you this. Did we respect police
when we were on the street. Absolutely,
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I know I did. I mean
they had a job. I'm on
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the other side of them. I'm
not there pal, but they had a
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job. I had a job.
If they were good cops who did the
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right thing, they're supposed to come
after me. I was a bad boy.
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I understand that as long as they're
doing it legitimately, I'm not.
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I don't hate them. They're doing
their job. They need to do their
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job because you can't whether it hurts
me or not. Maybe I shouldn't be
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a bad boy, but my being
a bad boy is getting away of crime
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and not hurting innocent people. So
everybody has a job and a function,
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and everybody should adhere to their function. But getting rid of cops is insanity.
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It's total insanity. I just can't
I even understand. I hate a
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cop. Every time I get pulled
over for speeding or something, he's gonna
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give me a ticket. I don't
like it. We don't like that.
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Maybe I shouldn't be speeding. You're
still closing ulstra mentally, emotionally in some
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ways, even though we're both out
of the life, we still haven't.
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No, I am, you just
said the most sensible thing that any politician
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should follow in trying to get this
country straightened out. And I think I
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know you, Sam, you wouldn't
let anybody. I mean, they make
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excuses for our president. Now it's
not him, it's somebody else pulling the
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strings. You would not allow somebody
else to pull the strings. If people
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put trust in you to look out
for their welfare and protect our country and
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defend it the right way, you
would do it. Oh absolutely? And
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why because that's that's how we were
brought up. That's right, because Austra
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even taught us. This is my
crew, this is my family, this
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is my fucking neighborhood. Don't fuck
with don't people, And if you do,
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you're gonna see the devil part of
me. You're gonna feel my lions
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side. Would you lay down for
Putin? No? Not in a million
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years. I could answer that for
you. Not in a million years.
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Would you. I don't want to
get into the politics with Afghanistan's a little
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bit confusing, but I know you're
not going to bleed our country dry to
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you know, to support another country
if it's going to be hurting us in
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the long run. There's people worried
about now that we're expending so much of
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our military dollars that if China or
Russia were China specifically would have come against
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us. We may have depleted our
resources in a way. I don't know
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if that's true enough, but that's
what people are saying. But yeah,
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but I'm saying that the bottom line
is America first. And let's get into
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this. Everything you said was right
on point. As far as I'm concerned
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Donald Trump, I wouldn't want him
to make to date my daughter. I'm
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not inviting him over the house for
dinner. We're not going to be friends.
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But his policies for America were good. He stood up for this country
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right or wrong. Whether you liked
him, my daughter and what does he
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got ten billion? You might consider
that, might consider yeah, and nobody
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would be mad if we robbed him
either. But let's be honest. But
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you know, we're not going to
do that. But you know what I'm
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saying. You know what I'm mean
with some very good havea do you know,
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Gigi, I was in Italy over
the summer. Every restaurant I went
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to Melon John, every single one
delicious. Yes we have Now I know
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you just proved this is authentic Italiano. Thank you, thank you, thank
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you so much. Thank you.
Sammy. You picked a good spot.
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But I still think you got a
piece of the place. Be honest,
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I'm working on it. You need
my help, No, But I'm saying
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with Trump, he's so controversial.
I get it. He is a narcissist.
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I know Paul Maniford pretty well.
I used to tell Paul, Paul,
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tell this guy to calm down on
Twitter, stop being insane. He
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wouldn't let you, said Mike,
he won't listen, don't listen to anybody.
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He was his own worst enemy in
that regard. But for America he
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was good. You can't deny it. The prices of gas. I think
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I was playing a down ninety so
it's called two dollars a gallon, I'm
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guessed as soon as he got out
it went out. What are you paying
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for it here in Arizona? I
think it's about four in tane, four
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forty or some shit like that.
I don't remember. Do you know we
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were up to seven dollars a gallon? Yeah? To me, being robbing
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the tax money like I did every
time I go to a gas station,
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I want to kill myself. Honestly, where you just said, all kidding
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aside, that's what we need to
straighten out this country. I mean it
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to do exactly what you do.
What you just said. We need a
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father like Joe Banano said, a
father of the of the country who feels
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that everyone is his child. There's
good ones and bad ones, black ones
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and white ones, men and women. Is it doesn't matter that all your
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children, whatever religion are So we
need somebody who thinks like that, not
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with just bullshit taxes and thinks that
we're meaningless. We're just a little robots
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or lambs or sheep for them to
play with and take our money whenever they
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want it. What do you think
about them putting on eighty seven thousand more
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IRS agents who they're going after,
Samon, They're going after everybody with that,
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and I'm glad they lost the house
and the house now is the funding
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that they're not gonna pay these eighty
seven thousand agents, So they're not gonna
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get it. If the Republicans take
over, they'll get rid of that.
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But it was eighty thousand IRS agents. You mean to say you're gonna double
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that, more than double that number
from eighty to one hundred and sixty seven
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thousand. And the best part is
why are you giving them gun fuckingize an
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accountant he's gonna talk to you about
taxes. What if they want a gun
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for I don't know. I don't
know who they're going after. They're going
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after the middle class. There ain't
enough wealthy people to have eighty seven thousand
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people go after them. They're going
after the middle class. They want to
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destroy the middle class in this country. Yeah, now, let me tell
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you what just I just saw a
past PayPal Venmo. Anything over six hundred
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dollars they have to report. They
don't want you to earn one penny,
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not one penny without paying tax on
it. They want every cent that they
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can grab off of us. Where
people don't realize everything we do is taxed
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everything, and of course it is. How much more do you want?
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They want it all? That's a
simple They called us bad guys. They
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want it all. I mean,
well, that's why I wrote the books.
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You know, they call us bad
guys. They're trying to get rid
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of cash. I love cash.
I'm used as a gangster even when I
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got credit card cash in my pocket. And they want to get rid of
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it because they don't say that you're
doing it. Don't say that too loud,
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jeam, You're going to get a
visit. And they are arrestic I
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want to know how much cash you
got no house. I'm gonna tell him
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I have one, two and three
thousands in my market. That's a good
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answer. You know, maybe you're
gonna need your gun. I ala agent.
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And when you come to my house
and walk in and start asking me
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stupid fucking question. Nah, but
they want to know every aspect of our
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lives everything. Yep. Let me
ask you a question. What do you
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think of Elon Musk? At one
time the darling of the Democratic Party.
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Now that he goes to Twitter is
advocating free speech, they hate him,
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which is the pillar of our democracy, free speech. They hate him.
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I know, I know, I
love him because he's coming out and he's
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telling him the truth and he's trying
to help you. For sure? Do
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you not like him? What are
you afraid of? If a guy talks
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like that and he's trying to help
people that he don't even know, why
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would you hate him because you don't
think like you exactly? It just goes
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to show you, which I try
to tell young men, if you can
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become independent and not worry about relying
on other people for your existence like Musk.
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I'm not saying you got to be
a billionaire. You just got to
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be in control of your own life, financially and in other ways. You
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don't have to worry about what other
people think or what other people say.
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He don't care. What are they
going to do to him, They're gonna
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try. What are they gonna do
to him? Nothing? I heard he
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said. Now if they keep playing
with him, he'll go back to Africa,
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away in Africa, South Africa.
Yeah, and he'll move back to
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Africa. Ay taxes over there and
run his company. You can't stop ship
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no. And this is that he
was a darling with the electric car boloney
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that they want. Everybody's got to
have a electric car. Personally, I
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don't like an electric car. Need. I took a drive from my poor
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my wine Sam. He comes down
to visit me, and he's got a
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Tesla, which I understand he's trying
to be respectful of things. From Sacramento
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down to La he's got to stop
three times. It takes some nine hours,
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ten hours, eleven hours, where
normally it's a five or six hour
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drive the most. That's good.
Whoever wants to buy one, go ahead.
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Again, they have to dictate to
you that everybody has to have.
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I want a gas car. We've
been making gas cars from almost the beginning
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of time. Why can't I have
a guess car? Why must you tell
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me what kind of car I drive? I you know, it's just again,
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it's a power move. I would
like to subpoena every single Congressman and
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senator and look, if they bought
stock in electric car companies or the batteries
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that they need for one of these
things, I would bet bet on it.
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Don't get me started with that.
Well, that's where you know,
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everybody thinks that, well, they're
not getting money under the no, no,
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they get they just buy stock.
I'm a politician. I say,
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let's make a law that everybody does
users an electric car. So that next
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morning, I'm calling my broker and
I'm going to buy stock in the best
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companies that make an electrical cause,
am I stock? Well, let me
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ask you a question. Why do
people in government most of the time,
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the larger percent, of the greater
percent is of the time they go into
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offices, blue collar workers in Congress, blue collar incomes, I should say,
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they come out multimillionaires. Is that
how it was supposed to be?
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No, No, that's the way
it is. On a two hundred thousand
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dollars a year salary. All of
a sudden, they're all multimillionaires. Nancy
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Pelosi and a husband cast out as
something for five million dollars and bought another
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stock that she and her company was
pushing. Not the stock itself, but
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if her law passes, this company
would blow up. It's insane. They
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legalized inside of trading for themselves.
She's fighting for a law and the husband
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goes cashes in five million dollars worth
of stocks and put it into that company.
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That's great. We live things on
the street. We know how they
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operate. Nobody can spot it and
detect it better than you and I.
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We're use one hundred percent. We've
seen crime. Look what you did.
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You invented practically want one of the
first guys with the oil and guess scam.
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It's not only a brilliant, fucking
scam, but it shows with a
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guy who's just a mob back that
they imagine these people who are controlling the
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country. Plus they can change the
law to benefit whatever it is. We
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didn't have that. We had to
break the law that they created. You
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know. But listen, there was
guys in the guest business. I only
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believe it. I didn't invent it, for sure, but I think we
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did it better than anyone else.
And this is what they do. They
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adapt the laws and the policies to
benefit themselves. It's all in the books.
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Andy. You know, one of
the most satisfying things about this book
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is that all the reviews you go
on Amazon, you're going to read the
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views people are saying, Michael,
I get it now, I see it
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now, I understand it. Because
all we want to do, like you
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said, we don't want a revolution
in this country. We don't anybody going
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to war. We want to hold
these people accountable at the voting booth.
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Hold them accountable when they lie to
you and they're not doing their job,
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throw them out. I personally believe
in term limits. Why should somebody being
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there for twenty thirty forty years.
It's just natural that they're going to take
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advantage of their office. There's no
question about it. Term limits. Get
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him in there, get him the
heck out, let them do their good,
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get him out, maybe even you
know, make a lord that they
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can run again and a few years
after that. I don't know, I'm
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just throwing it out, but term
limits one hundred percent you got a guy
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like Biden who's been in the office
his whole life. This guy, this
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guy never made a payroll, never
had a work or suffer for anything.
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He was on a government payroll for
his entire life, his entire adult Life's
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too much, Sammy. We can
get busted for the stupidest fucking thing and
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do fucking five, ten, twelve
years like it was nothing. I would
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tell politicians if you get caught,
not only are you gonna do is irrevocable
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sentences? Well, we're going to
take every fucking thing you have acause you're
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robbing the entire country, your houses, your cars, your clothes. You'll
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walk around naked, So that's what
you're facing. Now you want to go
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rob go rop, but that's what
you're facing. Greed, they should be
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held to a higher standard. How
you doing with commercials? You're doing a
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lot of commercials and shit. I've
been getting offers to do certain things,
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you know, but I'm very selective. What about you. It's one guy.
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I think he's crazy. He's offering
me money to advertise for hair products.
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Hair products. Yeah, so I
sold them hair products? Yeah,
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hair bro, you want me to
fucking advertise your hair products. Are you
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fucking crazy? Who's going to buy
air products? Or for ball guys?
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But these are some of the crazy
things I get asked, and uh,
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I enjoy I'm having form with them. Let me ask you, did you
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ever well? I can't even just
the question don't even make sense. But
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who would have ever believed you got
to put it this way? As far
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as YouTube social media is concerned,
you and I are you know where the
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guys? Did you ever believe in
your wildest imagination that we would be doing
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something like this? Absolutely not.
I can't even imagine. I still though,
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I can't understand it, like I
can't visualize myself in a rock and
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chair someplaces my old age. I
know one thing, I'm going to work
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until the day I'm dead. On
a set or in my office, I'll
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flop on a rug and dead.
And that's the way I want to die.
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I just don't want to, you
know, the old age. I
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go to the VA on occasion and
I see some of the guys are there
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and they, I mean, they
look I know, they look beat up.
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So I look at that. I
say, you know, we don't
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want to be that way. No, No, I know. I walk
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and I don't mean this in an
offensive way at all, because you feel
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for everybody. But sometimes I'll pass
somebody and the poor guy is just you
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know, he's slepting around, you
know, and let me say, a
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camera. I told my wife's a
camera. If you ever see me like
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that, put me to sleep as
I can. I don't want to go
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out that way either. I feel
the same way. I mean, it's
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not like I said, you're not
being offensive to anybody. But no,
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but I noticed you told your wife
that you won't tell me that, no,
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because you put me to sleep,
especially twenty years ago, I wouldn't
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have told you that. You know. I was arguing one day when I'm
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my father was alive and they were
talking about you know, if somebody was
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sick, older person, then you
want to give them the injection and put
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them to sleep. They should be
allowed. They were talking and I said
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at the table, I said,
you know, I believe in that guy
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has suffering. He wants to know
I will get put down. I think
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he should. That should happen.
Yeah, I can look. Yeah,
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if I get sick, though,
come without I want to see you.
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So yeah, no, I wouldn't
want to tell my father that either my
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father, Jesus Sam one hundred and
three. You know, I believe,
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I believe he was one of the
first COVID victims, if you call it
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a victim, because he was healthy
at one hundred and three the beginning of
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the pandemics, uh February of twenty
twenty, he goes in at the hospital
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when in four days he's gone,
and they didn't know what COVID was really
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at that point. It was just
starting because he was fine and it was
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a respiratory disease that he had,
but they never they never said it was
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COVID. I believe that's what did
him in though I got it two days
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or three days later. I got
pneumonia. Yeah, yeah, I was
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so stressed my body two three days
later I got with shingles things. Oh
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my god, all that I was
like wrecked. I lost twenty two pounds.
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Now I'm not a big guy.
I was one fifty two. I
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was one thirty. Jesus, she
was one of them guys. I mean
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that you. I could have got
high heels in the dress. I looked
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like a broad. I mean it
was crazy, but oh I knocked the
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hell out of horrible. Yeah,
I didn't I didn't know if I ever
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had chicken pox as a kid,
but now I do. I know I
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must have, because you don't get
the shingles without that, so I must
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have had it, And now they
go for a shot. In other words,
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you had to have chicken pox in
order to get shingles. Yeah,
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oh, people who get shingles,
Yeah, you had to have I think
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it's chicken pox or yeah, chicken
pox. I think if you had it
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as a kid later on in life, if your body, you know,
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wears down, you could get shingles. I didn't know that. I never
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got it, so I didn't know. If I don't remember if I had
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chicken I think I have chicken box
measles. I think I had as a
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kid. Yeah, I think.
I don't let shit. But I never
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thought about getting shingled until my body
must have got so worn down that I
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think I was in shock. I
remember, Yeah, Odd was telling me
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that I worries about it. Yeah, let me ask you, did you
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get the vaccination? No, you
didn't get it. No, no,
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I have no intentions of getting it. But I hear that a lot a
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lot of people after getting the shots
got sick. In the month of August
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this year, more people that were
vaccinated died of COVID than we're unvaccinated.
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Yeah, here's the better statistic.
I read this here and this is it
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I got from good sources. When
they make a new drug, if fifty
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people fifty get side effects from they
have to stop by law, stop and
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investigate it. They didn't stop.
Forty thousand people got sick and a good
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part of them died, and they
still didn't stop it. Why long term?
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How do I know what's going to
happen two, three, four,
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five years? You know, you
don't know. And I would tell my
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daughter or my granddaughter, don't do
it because I don't know what it does
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to women and especially young women.
Give it time. When one hundred million
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to on the minion took them and
we went by ten years and we know
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the side effects on non side effects, didn't take the shot. Wait,
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I totally agree with you. I
don't like the government telling me what I
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have to do. I don't mind
them telling me what I can't do.
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What I mean by that, you
can't go rob a bank because you're hurting
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society. You can't kill people,
obviously you're hurting society. You can't rob
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steal all of that where it's hurting
society. But I don't want them telling
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me what I have to do to
my own body. Right, there's there's
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no basis. We'll say it all
the time. You know, if you
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want to have an abortion, don't
tell me what to do with your body.
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You don't want to be told that. Then why do you want to
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be told that you've got to take
a shot. Well, this isn't that
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the same body exactly? Anyway,
The white part is the dish. Oh
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yeah, now, well so we
hated it was excellent by the way.
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Yeah yeah, compliments to the chef, and a little cappuccino or a couple
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of black coffee or something, and
we're we're knocked off the whole day.
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Good. Last question. I don't
want to have question to you, but
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I just we haven't had this opportunity
in a while to really sit down and
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talk. If you had it to
do all over again, would you because
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aust Yes, yes, I mean
it's easy to say no. I just
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don't want to be a liar or
a fake. Yes, I loved the
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life. I loved so many people
in the life. I sit here now
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and I respect the shit at you. I'm joking with you, clown with
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you, and I really do sincerely. I don't want to say I love
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you, but I do. I
love you as a brother. We can
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relate, we could talk. I
don't know if everybody feels these things between
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other people. Do I want to
be anything else? I don't know.
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I was never really anything else.
I didn't belong to two things. I
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had dyslexic, I didn't have a
good time in school, I was made
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fun of, abused whatever, left
back a bunch of times. Got great
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memories of my mother and my father, and I do have ugly memories in
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the mafia, but I do have
some beautiful and some of the ugly memories
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you would change if you could.
Those are some of the regrets that we
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have. But I agree with you. If I had it to do all
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over it again, I would have
done it again because I value the time
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I spent there. There's certain things
I did that I wish I didn't do.
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Relationships that I miss. Yeah,
and just you and I sitting down
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like this is something I miss.
Look, honestly speaking, is there any
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greater feeling than sitting down with guys
that you know? There's a brotherhood that
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hey, I got you up back
you got mine when it was really when
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it really meant something. You know, Sammy, I believe and I think
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you'll agree with me that the boy
ju you're killing us. Well, I'm
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gonna Gigi. I have not seen
a connoli like this in California. I
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mean, I do make my own
conoly. I scratch my Grandma Duffy how
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and I'm very proud of myself of
all the things that I do. It's
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all homemade. Well you should.
Everything was terrific, including the piscotti,
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and including the Gucci Dati. Those
are the fig cookies and they tied you.
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So now I know I don't have
to go to New York for a
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homemade connoli. I'm not going to
get it in California, but I can
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come to Arizona. It's not absolutely
or you enjoy it. Thank you,
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jes excellent, Sammy. I still
think you got a piece of place.
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But anyway, you know, I
think you'll agree with me on this.
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I believe the golden years of our
life cousin Austra was from the fifties right
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through let's say the early nineties,
when you finally want went away and that
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was like the last of an era, and I believe that. And then
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recently I saw an interview by John
Gleeson. Both familiar with him. Yeah,
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sure, you know us attorney.
Then he became a judge, he
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prosecuted, he had both of our
cases, and he said, what galvanized
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the entire Justice Department practically against mafia
in general was John Gotti. This was
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from his mouth, this is what
he said. This was my cooperative I
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was with the government. They loved
it. I was telling people. The
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Southern District and the Eastern District came
together. They were arguing and instead of
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who's going to get it, well, Eastern District got it. But they
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joined together. That's how they settled
it. The FBI, the DEA,
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because John's clue was dealing drugs,
stayed on and I crying. They all
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joined together as a team. You
joined the entire government against the mafia.
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And that's what he did in his
actions. We needn't do it deliberately,
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but his actions and everything, I
agree with you that he didn't. That's
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not what his goal was. He
didn't do it deliberately, But in reality,
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you just can't be that out front. I mean, Joe Colombo's the
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same thing to a little bit of
lesser degree. But you just can't be
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a You can't be anybody and be
like that, but as a boss especially,
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it's gonna come back to bite you. And everybody else, did everybody
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else, because they were saying that
they were getting his tapes and Angelo Jeriro's
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tapes. They were feeding them to
judges who would listen to these tapes that
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were horrendous and saying, okay,
give a court order to bug on these
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phones and clubs and guys cars.
Everybody got caught up in it, you
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know. Would you say, Sammy, that we just didn't keep up with
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the government that they got ahead of
us when they got this vendetta against everybody.
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They just got so far ahead of
us, and we weren't ready for
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it. We didn't think about it. I don't know's that's how I feel.
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I don't know. It always bothered
me. I was constantly watching them
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on it that I saw them,
and I was very careful with it.
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The agents said they love following me. Samon wasn't a regular underbuss. It
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would come out of his office,
go in the school yard with a bunch
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of young teenagers and play hanball and
jeans and a T shirt. I got
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caught on nine thousand hours of tapes. They didn't use them tapes against me,
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my crew or anybody else. Why
we didn't talk of that shit.
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We understood more than likely these places
about. So when a guy, one
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of my guys, would grab my
arm, send me I need to talk
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to him. Put a little pressure. I felt the pressure. I know
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it's an important call, and I
would go in and we could take a
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walk and talk. When we walked, you'll see pictures where I'm walking like
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this because your voice goes true air
and it could be picked up on a
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microphone way across the room or across
the street. So when you go like
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this, you break the sound and
you and you, it's very hard to
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get picked up. I was conscious
of that all the time everything, and
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I always saw them, so I
was always aware of it. I turned
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around and talk and I turned around, bone there's two agents in a car.
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They followed me so much, and
I was so careful back then.
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I give you that story, small
quick story. The guys came in my
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office and there I said, say, Imi, outside, there's a woman
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00:32:12.680 --> 00:32:16.799
wants to talk to you, says
the principal of the schools an elementary school.
408
00:32:19.640 --> 00:32:21.559
So I came out. She was
there, and I says, I
409
00:32:21.640 --> 00:32:29.240
canna help, And she says,
there's two guys sitting in a car half
410
00:32:29.279 --> 00:32:37.160
a blockdown. You could see them
and they have, you know, magnifying
411
00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:40.559
glasses and they're looking at you.
I said, why would you tell me
412
00:32:40.680 --> 00:32:46.400
that? She says, I'm afraid
there. I know who you are.
413
00:32:47.799 --> 00:32:53.480
I'm afraid you might get hurt.
I said, you don't think they're in
414
00:32:53.599 --> 00:32:59.920
news media and you wanna get caught
talking to BMB and television or something like
415
00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:02.079
that. She left. She said, no, no, absolutely not.
416
00:33:02.920 --> 00:33:07.160
I said, I know who they
are. They're agents. They're not anybody
417
00:33:07.240 --> 00:33:12.720
to hurt me. They're hurting me
in a different way the FBI. Why
418
00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:19.880
would you tell me this, principal
or school, she says, because you're
419
00:33:19.920 --> 00:33:27.160
good for the neighborhood. Kids are
safe, We're safe. We complained and
420
00:33:27.319 --> 00:33:30.359
asked you to do us a favor
that at night kids would stay in the
421
00:33:30.400 --> 00:33:36.480
school yard. There would be marijuana
in the morning, broken bottles, and
422
00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:39.279
this is an elementary school. The
kids can play in the school yard,
423
00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:45.200
and we told you about it.
I had sense one of the teachers to
424
00:33:45.319 --> 00:33:51.359
talk to you about it. It
never happened again. From that they are
425
00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:55.279
I never forgot that. Well,
you know, something we had. We
426
00:33:55.440 --> 00:34:00.400
had something in common because I had
a fourteen agents task force. That was
427
00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:07.480
a sign to me, and I
had undercover I had one undercover operation that
428
00:34:07.639 --> 00:34:12.400
was on me for eight months.
They had eighty three tape recordings and they
429
00:34:12.440 --> 00:34:16.639
couldn't use one against me. Now, I don't credit myself with that,
430
00:34:16.760 --> 00:34:22.280
Sammy. Honestly, my father,
who was old school, he didn't want
431
00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:24.920
publicity. I don't think my father
ever uttered a word to the press.
432
00:34:25.119 --> 00:34:29.480
Nothing. He used to walk when
the press were around, he used to
433
00:34:29.519 --> 00:34:31.639
walk through them like they didn't even
exist. Would never say a word.
434
00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:36.280
But he taught me from from the
time I was a kid. When we
435
00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:38.960
were in my house, Sammy,
I thought he was crazy. We would
436
00:34:39.000 --> 00:34:42.199
go in when he wanted to talk
to me. We would go into the
437
00:34:42.280 --> 00:34:45.559
bathroom. He turned the fawcets on, flushed the toilet and we had a
438
00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:49.519
hedge in the fawcet. I thought
he was crazy. He said, Mike,
439
00:34:49.559 --> 00:34:52.639
what if this house is bug or
we would go outside. Then he
440
00:34:52.760 --> 00:34:55.280
used to pick up a telephone like
this and he used to say, you
441
00:34:55.360 --> 00:35:00.880
see this, the phone is a
cop. Don't ever talk no loose lips.
442
00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:04.000
He also said to me, he
said, listen, if you and
443
00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:08.719
I ever do something together that's illegal, ten seconds after we did it,
444
00:35:08.920 --> 00:35:10.920
if you asked me about it,
I'm going to say, what are you
445
00:35:12.039 --> 00:35:15.599
talking about? Why would you repeat
anything that you did? Right? We
446
00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:21.440
were brought up like cousin uster was
supposed to be. We used to get
447
00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:24.159
a tractor trailer, rob a truck, and get rid of the stuff.
448
00:35:24.599 --> 00:35:30.840
So I hated that because you amb
with the gun and you robbed the tractor
449
00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:36.360
trailer, then you had to start
selling what it was in the trailer to
450
00:35:36.519 --> 00:35:40.639
people, clothing or whatever it was. So you never stopped robbing. It
451
00:35:40.760 --> 00:35:45.800
was like every day when you sell
something, you're always going back to the
452
00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:49.679
same crime, back and forth,
to back and forth. So I hated
453
00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:52.679
that. If I commit a crime
and then get away with it, I
454
00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:55.360
don't want to talk about it.
I don't want to see it, I
455
00:35:55.400 --> 00:35:59.679
don't want to hear it. I
want to tell you I don't even know
456
00:35:59.719 --> 00:36:04.440
what you talking about that I got
to ask you something because this was always
457
00:36:06.159 --> 00:36:09.960
something that it taught me a lesson
I'm a recruit. I wasn't a mad
458
00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:15.239
guy at that point. I'm a
recruit. Andrew Russo was my captain.
459
00:36:16.119 --> 00:36:20.159
KI comes to me with a load
of meat. You probably know the guy
460
00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:24.559
at the time. They ended up
killing him afterwards, but he comes to
461
00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:28.280
me with a load of meat.
I go and I put it on record
462
00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:30.159
with Andrew. I got a load
of meat. I'm gonna move it.
463
00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:32.079
Andrew says to me, when you
get the money, bring it back to
464
00:36:32.199 --> 00:36:36.920
me. I think I'm trying to
remember. It was either six or seven
465
00:36:36.960 --> 00:36:38.360
thousand dollars. It wasn't a lot
of money. I hand it to Andrew.
466
00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:42.800
He's okay, I'll get back to
you. I think it was seven
467
00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:46.159
grand. Two three days later,
I go downtown. He gives me six
468
00:36:46.280 --> 00:36:52.400
hundred dollars out of his seven thousand, six doll I said, man,
469
00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:55.400
I got the meat, I got
rid of it me. I hit him.
470
00:36:55.400 --> 00:36:58.800
The money. They give me back
six hundred dollars didn't sit right with
471
00:36:58.920 --> 00:37:05.840
me, right, So what would
you have done? It changed? I'll
472
00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:07.840
tell you what happened. I went
to see my father, I said,
473
00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:10.159
Dad, is this how it is? He was in Levenworth at the time.
474
00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:14.280
I says I give him seven grand
or six grand, they give me
475
00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:16.360
back six hundred dollars. I did
all the work. So he said to
476
00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:20.119
me, Michael, here's the deal
from now on, this is the formula.
477
00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:24.599
Anything that you bring in that's all
yours, that you didn't need no
478
00:37:24.719 --> 00:37:29.079
help on. You give the family
twenty five percent. That's it. You
479
00:37:29.239 --> 00:37:32.280
give it to them, anything that
they got to help you with while you
480
00:37:32.360 --> 00:37:37.159
work to deal out with them,
and anything legit. You don't have to
481
00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:40.920
give anybody any that was kind of
our formula, did you Because you're a
482
00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:45.840
different family, different crew, you
guys operated a little differently. But what
483
00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:50.360
was your formula at that time?
Well, I'll be honest with you.
484
00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:55.159
I you can give ten fifteen percent. It depends on what the item is.
485
00:37:59.079 --> 00:38:01.440
Legitimate things don't really have to give
anything. If you open up a
486
00:38:01.519 --> 00:38:07.400
business and you weren't using goes to
Ustra, but most businesses you would use
487
00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:09.599
the power of goes to Austra to
help you in the business. So you
488
00:38:09.639 --> 00:38:15.079
control him a bone, but there's
no number on it. But you have
489
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:21.360
to be open and honest in what
you do. So, but if somebody
490
00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:25.280
wants to give me six hundred dollars, after I just gave him seven thousand
491
00:38:25.360 --> 00:38:30.079
dollars. He'd better hope he never
fucking makes a mistake, because I'm gonna
492
00:38:30.079 --> 00:38:34.760
have a hard arm for him for
a very long time. You know what
493
00:38:34.840 --> 00:38:37.039
I mean? Now, what are
you treating me like a sucking to rob
494
00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:40.960
him? I went out and put
up my balls and wished to go to
495
00:38:42.039 --> 00:38:44.840
prison. And I'm giving you an
end, and you want to rob me,
496
00:38:45.199 --> 00:38:49.760
I would take a very strong offense. He was a very powerful guy.
497
00:38:49.880 --> 00:38:53.079
Sometimes you just can't do nothing about
it. But I would hold a
498
00:38:53.159 --> 00:38:57.760
grudge. I felt the same way. Yeah, I would hold a grudge.
499
00:38:57.800 --> 00:39:01.920
And you better hope you never do
anything fucked up and and I would
500
00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:07.280
hold the grudge over something like that. But I never really had that kind
501
00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:15.360
of a problem. You know,
always got a little greedy. That was
502
00:39:15.440 --> 00:39:21.800
one of his flaws towards the end, and he did things that I didn't
503
00:39:21.960 --> 00:39:27.639
like. You know, there's a
limit. You're so fucking wealthy, and
504
00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:30.920
you still got your hands out,
you know. I remember when he got
505
00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:37.320
busted, they said his chicken business. He had a chicken business. Now
506
00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:45.400
gross and this is way back in
the eighties, was grossing fifty two million
507
00:39:45.480 --> 00:39:50.000
dollars a year, you know.
Yeah, I was at a meeting with
508
00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:54.239
him when he sat down with Purdue. He told me to come with him
509
00:39:55.679 --> 00:40:00.199
Antommy Blatti down New York and he
had a meet. I was supposted off
510
00:40:00.280 --> 00:40:05.039
somewhere else. He told me to
come on him and he wanted to talk
511
00:40:05.079 --> 00:40:07.519
to me about a few things.
So I went there and Purdue a chicken
512
00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:15.079
guy, Purdue chickens. Yeah.
So I remember I was sitting on the
513
00:40:15.159 --> 00:40:19.840
side with Tommy a lot of his
driver, and he said to Purdue,
514
00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:29.559
did you just call me a gangster? Got caught my attention, and Purdue
515
00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:35.039
just froze up and he said,
no, Paul, why didn't I didn't
516
00:40:35.039 --> 00:40:40.360
call you against And I didn't say
that. And he said, a couple
517
00:40:40.400 --> 00:40:47.360
of years ago, I wanted to
sell you chickens, and you didn't buy
518
00:40:47.480 --> 00:40:53.800
from me because I was a gangster. Those were your works, not to
519
00:40:53.920 --> 00:41:00.239
my face, but to all the
people, that was your works, and
520
00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:04.840
you went your merry way. I'd
embody you. Now you're sitting with me.
521
00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:14.239
Your business just Purdue Chickens group enormously
and you have trouble with the unions,
522
00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:22.199
and you come to me and asked
me for my help in that way,
523
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:28.519
you're saying I'm a gangster. Why
would you come to me. You
524
00:41:28.599 --> 00:41:31.880
didn't want to come to me when
you had a legitimate deal. What makes
525
00:41:31.920 --> 00:41:37.800
you think I could control the unions? Because you think I'm a gangster and
526
00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:43.599
you look down on me, Get
the fuck up and get off this table
527
00:41:43.639 --> 00:41:49.000
and walk away. I was stunned
when I heard that, because Purduce chickens
528
00:41:49.119 --> 00:41:52.199
was a big, huge, as
huge huge. I was proud of him,
529
00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:55.800
the way he talked and the way
he answered that thing. I'll never
530
00:41:55.920 --> 00:42:01.920
forget that. And uh after years
later, when I cooperated, the government
531
00:42:01.960 --> 00:42:06.519
asked me about that meeting. They
knew I was at that meeting, and
532
00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:10.360
I told him no, No,
he wasn't shaken the do down. This
533
00:42:10.639 --> 00:42:16.079
is what happened. The bill went
to him, he refused them years earlier,
534
00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:22.400
and Paul held the grudge a little
bit. And then when he came
535
00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:24.800
back he gave it to my boat
battles with his mouth. Not what it
536
00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:29.639
God was. It was one hundred
percent. You know what I mean.
537
00:42:29.800 --> 00:42:35.320
Now, I'm a good guy because
I could help you. When you tell
538
00:42:35.400 --> 00:42:37.800
him that I asked to do you
sell your chickens? You could help me.
539
00:42:38.559 --> 00:42:42.760
I didn't issue to do anything wrong. I'm in a chicken business.
540
00:42:42.800 --> 00:42:50.360
Buy my chickens. So life has
a funny way. When you're in a
541
00:42:50.519 --> 00:42:55.119
life, or any life, when
you are not honorable, not trustworthy,
542
00:42:57.760 --> 00:43:01.840
it always seems to bite you.
In my first run in Sammy Has a
543
00:43:02.239 --> 00:43:07.719
Young Recruit Again was with Paul.
Long story short. I had a market
544
00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:13.159
out in Suffolk County, Long Island. We were buying chickens off of Paul
545
00:43:14.519 --> 00:43:16.840
Memorial Day weekend. He sends me
a batch of chickens. I sell it
546
00:43:16.920 --> 00:43:22.039
to a woman. I think we're
seven hundred dollars total. The next day
547
00:43:22.079 --> 00:43:24.840
or two of the woman comes in. She says these chickens had maggots.
548
00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:29.719
I couldn't cook any of them.
She brings them all back. So I
549
00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:31.559
call up whoever Paul's guy, I
think it was Paul's nephew was running a
550
00:43:31.599 --> 00:43:36.039
place and I said, look,
I can't pay for these chickens are maggots,
551
00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:37.960
and there was something wrong. It
was an accident. There was nothing
552
00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:40.880
wrong with it. I mean,
we had great business. Guy starts cussing
553
00:43:40.960 --> 00:43:44.039
me on on the phone. Oh
you're going to pay for the chickens.
554
00:43:44.079 --> 00:43:46.719
We go back and forth. I
start cursing him out. Whatever. Next
555
00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:51.840
day again, Andrew and Tom de
Bella called me, come into Carroll Street.
556
00:43:51.880 --> 00:43:55.559
I go down there. Did you
get disrespectful to a guy on the
557
00:43:55.639 --> 00:43:58.599
phone. He was a made guy. I said, who is he?
558
00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:01.840
He's his nephew. I don't remember
his nephew, his son, I don't
559
00:44:01.880 --> 00:44:07.880
remember. But he said, you
cursed this guy out. I always telling
560
00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:09.639
me I had to pay for the
chickens. The chickens had maggatine, and
561
00:44:09.679 --> 00:44:14.800
the woman brought it back. We
had to actually sit down, and Paul
562
00:44:14.920 --> 00:44:19.599
showed up because Tom Deblla and Andrew
were there. He was so angry,
563
00:44:20.480 --> 00:44:23.679
you know. And the way it
turned out was I apologize. I said,
564
00:44:23.679 --> 00:44:25.920
look, Paul, I would never
disrespect you. I didn't know who
565
00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:30.559
this was, your nephew, but
he started cushing me out and I answered
566
00:44:30.639 --> 00:44:36.239
him. So, as it turned
out, I had I didn't have to
567
00:44:36.280 --> 00:44:37.559
pay for the chickens, but I
had to continue buying off of him.
568
00:44:38.320 --> 00:44:43.960
But the reason just coincidentally that that
was the first you in the room.
569
00:44:44.480 --> 00:44:50.000
I was wrong. Maggots uh that
that their protein? So you could ate
570
00:44:50.079 --> 00:44:57.679
the chicken in the woman that way. I'm gonna tell you so I got
571
00:44:57.800 --> 00:45:00.400
involved. I gave a guy there, but young guy, my age and
572
00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:05.840
everything. I gave him Charlotte loan. And what's he paying the interest?
573
00:45:06.039 --> 00:45:10.039
Right? And so when the first
time he's gonna come down, I said,
574
00:45:10.159 --> 00:45:15.079
uh, uh, this kid,
did he come down and leave the
575
00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:22.719
payment for me? No? Who
the kid? Gambino? Who's uh his
576
00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:28.519
name is Gambino? You know?
He says, yeah, he says,
577
00:45:28.679 --> 00:45:31.239
uh, Don Gambino. That the
nephew. He's a nephew or something.
578
00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:37.559
Don Don Gambino. That's gotta be
called Gambino. Yeah. Yeah, So
579
00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:40.079
now the guy don't come down.
But I'm I'm not gonna hit him.
580
00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:45.360
I'm not gonna do nothing. This
is fucking call definitely or whatever he is,
581
00:45:45.960 --> 00:45:47.840
and I'm not gonna sorry. He
comes in and I'm talking to him.
582
00:45:47.840 --> 00:45:50.800
I said, well, you gotta
pay me every once in a while,
583
00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:53.079
you know, no matter who you
are, you gotta pay me back.
584
00:45:54.119 --> 00:45:59.079
I'm trying to be polite. He
says, you know, it was
585
00:45:59.400 --> 00:46:02.360
a little tough times, and I'm
just not gonna pay right now. Oh
586
00:46:05.079 --> 00:46:07.960
it's just kid's not gonna pay.
But he's just start telling me right there
587
00:46:07.039 --> 00:46:09.719
my face, I'm not gonna pay, but he's call again me. I
588
00:46:09.800 --> 00:46:14.280
was, nephew, and I'm not
gonna do nothing crazy. So I go
589
00:46:14.440 --> 00:46:15.960
through this week after week. He's
taught you of me, this kid.
590
00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:20.320
So I said, the guy comes
into the bar, and when I know
591
00:46:20.480 --> 00:46:23.639
this guy, al I says,
he knows the story. He said,
592
00:46:24.440 --> 00:46:30.280
why are you being so patient?
I says, this is a Carlo again,
593
00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:31.480
Me knows, nephew. What do
you want me to do? You
594
00:46:31.559 --> 00:46:35.320
know what I think. I'm gonna
tell him where even you don't know me,
595
00:46:35.400 --> 00:46:37.480
not just so we don't get the
aggravation. I got beat once sober.
596
00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:44.840
He said, what are you talking
about? He said, Yeah,
597
00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:52.840
what's his name? He says,
he's done callos nephew, Sammy, that's
598
00:46:53.000 --> 00:47:00.880
the guy's last name. Done Carlo. It's not guy dog caller, it's
599
00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:09.000
not beat him dons. No,
I got my keys. I rid of
600
00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:13.519
my car I said, to get
this kid. I'm choked to that.
601
00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:17.960
All this time I was abusing me, like not paying me, I said,
602
00:47:20.079 --> 00:47:24.159
And when we're going to beat him
up? You know I had.
603
00:47:24.360 --> 00:47:29.480
I had a fight with Joe Colombo's
kids, both of them did, Anthony
604
00:47:29.559 --> 00:47:35.039
and Joey. Yeah. I went
to the Loew's Oleanthal on eighty sixth Street,
605
00:47:36.679 --> 00:47:38.800
and I was young. It was
a nice looking girl, and I
606
00:47:40.519 --> 00:47:45.920
florred on what I'm hanging with a
little bit, and Joey, the youngest
607
00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:52.679
one, came over and said it's
his girlfriend. Then we get a little
608
00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:55.199
bet and I beat him up.
Yeah really, oh yeah, it was
609
00:47:55.239 --> 00:48:00.840
a pushover. But it's fat ass
brother Anthony, Anthony. When it came
610
00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:06.639
now looking for me, So I
saw him, he says, and you
611
00:48:06.760 --> 00:48:09.039
gotta get away from the girl,
and just, oh no, absolutely,
612
00:48:09.119 --> 00:48:14.079
I'm not getting away from the girl. I'm willing to fight your fat ass
613
00:48:15.920 --> 00:48:21.159
being him at a fight, and
now I could beat him up two Anthony.
614
00:48:21.679 --> 00:48:24.559
But but Anthony, now now that
we're in our fucking nineties over here,
615
00:48:25.079 --> 00:48:30.719
no I'm not ninety. But he
just did a video saying he remembers
616
00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:32.800
the whole thing that he beat and
then he said he beat me up,
617
00:48:34.440 --> 00:48:37.920
and seventy something years old ninety want
to argue who won? Stupid plastic.
618
00:48:38.559 --> 00:48:43.000
So I wanted to text him back
and say, Anthony, what's the difference.
619
00:48:43.039 --> 00:48:45.519
We're seventy something who won the fight, who lost the fight? But
620
00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:50.800
let me tell you something, your
fat ass come down here. I will
621
00:48:50.920 --> 00:48:54.280
meet you and we'll fight like an
old man. Fight like I'm seventy seven,
622
00:48:54.360 --> 00:48:58.280
you're a fighter or how old you
are? It look good. I
623
00:48:58.360 --> 00:49:00.719
mean, maybe we could tape it. We could a lot of money people
624
00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:06.000
seeing too flat ass old ben fighting
it out. But I'm gonna tell you
625
00:49:06.079 --> 00:49:08.039
why. I'm gonna. I can
teach that your throat because you know I
626
00:49:08.360 --> 00:49:12.599
want you're a liar. Well,
I knew, Anthony. I put my
627
00:49:12.679 --> 00:49:15.199
money on you, Sammy for sure. Yeah, I would record. I
628
00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:19.119
could fight. I could fight like
a little tiger. That's crazy, you
629
00:49:19.159 --> 00:49:22.719
know, I remember too talk about
incidents like that. I was a kid.
630
00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:25.079
I was in a flea market working
for did you know of any Vingo?
631
00:49:25.280 --> 00:49:28.639
You might didn't know him back then. He was a Columbus guy.
632
00:49:28.719 --> 00:49:30.679
Vingo be Anny Vingo. No,
you had the big flea market out on
633
00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:35.960
Long Island. I worked for him
on the weekends. And there was this
634
00:49:36.119 --> 00:49:37.920
beautiful girl. I was a kid. I was like twenty years old.
635
00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:43.280
Beautiful girl really coming on to me, and so I started a little thing
636
00:49:43.400 --> 00:49:45.719
with her, and you know,
we start to get to know each other
637
00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:47.320
a little bit, and then she
tells me, she says, you know
638
00:49:47.360 --> 00:49:50.119
who I am. I said,
no, who are you? She says,
639
00:49:50.440 --> 00:49:54.119
I'm calm on person Goo's niece.
I said really, I said,
640
00:49:54.400 --> 00:49:57.760
uh, that's the end of that. I said, I don't. I
641
00:49:57.800 --> 00:50:00.559
don't want to go any further,
you know I And the reason being at
642
00:50:00.599 --> 00:50:04.599
that time, yeah, you know
who knew? You know you got another
643
00:50:04.679 --> 00:50:07.280
time? No another time, Sammy, listen to this. I'm visiting my
644
00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:12.320
father in Levenworth. He was with
that big drug deal. I forget who
645
00:50:12.440 --> 00:50:15.119
his name at the time, he
got twenty five years. They're in leven
646
00:50:15.159 --> 00:50:20.920
Worth together. He's got a gorgeous
daughter. Gorgeous daughter, right, we're
647
00:50:20.920 --> 00:50:24.559
in the visiting room together. When
we leave in Kansas, my father says,
648
00:50:24.880 --> 00:50:28.639
will you drive her back to the
hotel. She's at the same hotel
649
00:50:28.639 --> 00:50:30.840
as you. I said, yeah, d no problem. The girl's coming
650
00:50:30.880 --> 00:50:35.559
on to me. The whole time, I'm figuring she's with you know,
651
00:50:35.719 --> 00:50:38.800
she's my my father's friend's daughter.
I'm not going to do anything right,
652
00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:44.159
no, nothing to be respectful and
listen. I go to a prison.
653
00:50:44.239 --> 00:50:46.440
The next day. My dad says
to me, did you shack up with
654
00:50:46.519 --> 00:50:51.039
the girl? I said, what
he said? Her father's worth twenty five
655
00:50:51.119 --> 00:50:52.480
million dollars. You didn't shack up
with her, I said, you don't,
656
00:50:52.519 --> 00:50:54.880
Dad. You're always giving me mixed
signals. I don't know what it
657
00:50:55.000 --> 00:50:58.559
is with you, whether I got
to be respect Why didn't you tell me
658
00:50:58.679 --> 00:51:01.519
that before I left? You know, he was he was crazy, but
659
00:51:01.760 --> 00:51:04.719
that was he. I never seen
her again. That was the end of
660
00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:08.360
that, you know. And I
you know, and I don't never fool
661
00:51:08.360 --> 00:51:14.480
around with the guy's daughter or never
wife, or if he's a street guy,
662
00:51:14.480 --> 00:51:16.440
if he's not a street guy.
Sometimes I took the plunge here and
663
00:51:16.480 --> 00:51:23.960
there. But I was in a
bar and I bunk into uh big as
664
00:51:25.800 --> 00:51:31.599
I'm in a bar, I just
got made. And you know, I'm
665
00:51:31.679 --> 00:51:36.960
five foot nothing. And so this
woman comes up to me. She's much
666
00:51:37.039 --> 00:51:40.559
taller to me, and she says, uh, you know what my fantasy
667
00:51:40.679 --> 00:51:45.800
is. I have no idea how
she I said, no, wa'ts your
668
00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:50.400
fantasy? No, I don't know. She says, uh, banging a
669
00:51:50.559 --> 00:51:55.360
small wise guy. So I looked
at her. I said, I don't
670
00:51:55.360 --> 00:51:59.519
think they make them any smaller the
mate, But I mean, whatever you
671
00:51:59.559 --> 00:52:04.280
want to do, it's up to
you. So I go and the next
672
00:52:04.440 --> 00:52:07.519
day everybody's grabbed me, show me
what you do? You want one ams?
673
00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:14.000
Yeah you know what that is.
I don't have a clue. He's
674
00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:20.599
Sally Dogs is niece and and his
uncle there Tom whatever the fuck his name
675
00:52:20.760 --> 00:52:23.960
was a captain. And I said, oh my God made guy's niece and
676
00:52:24.079 --> 00:52:28.400
everything. Yeah, so I said, I'm in trouble. But I didn't
677
00:52:28.400 --> 00:52:30.239
really didn't know. So I'd go
to see Sally Dogs and I say,
678
00:52:30.280 --> 00:52:35.119
Sally, I said, I I
was. I was mumbling. I said
679
00:52:35.599 --> 00:52:40.480
I did something maybe I should have
never done, right. I went,
680
00:52:40.760 --> 00:52:49.239
uh uh with somebody. I take
somebody in your family, he said,
681
00:52:49.480 --> 00:52:52.719
big ags. I said, yeah, I said the old neighbor. Fuck
682
00:52:53.000 --> 00:53:00.519
nobody, don't worry about it.
I got away with that, but thank
683
00:53:00.679 --> 00:53:04.400
god, but that was crazy.
So these I mean, that was the
684
00:53:04.480 --> 00:53:07.119
old neighbor. See, that was
a good principle we had. Yeah,
685
00:53:07.199 --> 00:53:08.800
you know, yeah, I gotta
ask you, you know, I gotta
686
00:53:08.840 --> 00:53:12.840
I gotta ask you this. But
did you have you watched a new uh
687
00:53:13.599 --> 00:53:17.199
stallone series Tulsa King. No,
but I heard no, you gotta watch
688
00:53:17.239 --> 00:53:22.400
it. Yeah, it's entertaining and
stallone is I'm watching now. I'm doing
689
00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:25.840
a review on YouTube, but getting
into the character, but authenticity wise,
690
00:53:27.480 --> 00:53:30.639
he does twenty five years in prison. As soon as he gets out,
691
00:53:30.679 --> 00:53:32.719
he goes to see his guys,
you know, the Boss and and uh
692
00:53:34.079 --> 00:53:38.559
Dominic Lombardos he plays the boss is
son the underboss, and they banned him
693
00:53:38.599 --> 00:53:43.559
to Tulsa. Go you gotta go
out to Tulsa. You don't know why
694
00:53:43.679 --> 00:53:47.800
yet, but this is where he's
going. But at that moment, another
695
00:53:47.920 --> 00:53:52.400
made guy is mounting off to him, and stallone hits him and breaks his
696
00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:57.000
jaw. What happens to that guy
at that moment? No matter what,
697
00:53:57.320 --> 00:54:00.199
no matter what, you can't raise
your hands to or not guy to another
698
00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:06.039
It's automatic death bounty exactly. And
people don't don't get that. No,
699
00:54:06.400 --> 00:54:09.599
under any circumstance alone, you don't
raise your hand to another guy. Yeah,
700
00:54:09.719 --> 00:54:14.960
another made guy. End the story. And if may guy raises his
701
00:54:15.119 --> 00:54:20.360
hand to you, you have the
right to fight back. And if you
702
00:54:20.440 --> 00:54:22.719
can kill him right in that fight
or after the fight, kill him.
703
00:54:23.199 --> 00:54:28.360
And as long as he raised his
hands first, it's not allowed. And
704
00:54:28.760 --> 00:54:32.719
other things like going with a maid, guy's wife or his daughter, and
705
00:54:32.840 --> 00:54:37.880
there is him being It's so easy
really to understand when me and you become
706
00:54:38.480 --> 00:54:45.719
made. We're brothers. I immediately
have to look at your wife as my
707
00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:52.079
sister in law. I immediately look
at your kids as my nieces and nephews.
708
00:54:52.199 --> 00:54:58.239
So in any way, shape or
form, it's disrespectful to do that.
709
00:54:59.519 --> 00:55:02.280
And no that you're a made guy
and I'm doing it, I deserve
710
00:55:02.360 --> 00:55:08.280
to get cut to another three episodes
later, the guy wants to kill him.
711
00:55:08.880 --> 00:55:13.519
The underboss says, you could settle
this for a hundred thousand. He
712
00:55:13.599 --> 00:55:16.199
tells the loan you got to pay
a hundred thousand and is settled realistic or
713
00:55:16.239 --> 00:55:21.000
not? No, thank you,
totally unrealistic. You can't buy you a
714
00:55:21.000 --> 00:55:22.679
way, I'm saying. Everybody who's
telling me about it, who knows it,
715
00:55:23.039 --> 00:55:28.599
says it's completely ridiculous. Sammy,
thank you. Whenever I come into
716
00:55:28.679 --> 00:55:30.440
town, you know I'm going to
come to see you first. That's how
717
00:55:30.480 --> 00:55:39.880
we do things. So thank you
very much, salute check please and give
718
00:55:39.920 --> 00:55:40.360
it to him