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It's time for the adventures of Stumpy and Grumpy.
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With this COVID thing, every store I go into,
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my hands get free alcohol. Join us as we celebrate
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their odd friendship and their love of all things
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Australian. Let's get back to you and your backyard.
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I'm sure that was a euphemism. This podcast is
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intended for adults, so wowsers can go fuck themselves.
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What are you, strumming chooks again? Strumming
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chooks? Yeah. You like that? If you were going
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to strum a chook, how would you actually hold
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it? Well, everybody knows the sequence for that.
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You grab it by the friggin' neck, give it a bit
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of a pull, then the legs, bang bang, and you
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just... You're an idiot. Play a song. The stalls
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have long been empty, and the shed's a mess today.
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A dirty saddle blanket is a rat's nest in the
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hay. The tack is old and mouldy, and it's strewn
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across the floor. And a dusty police saddle sits
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abandoned by the door. There's missing D's and
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knee pads worn, the stitching's come undone.
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The straps are dry and brittle, and the counter
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lining's gone. A big gash in the nearside flap,
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I'm wondering how it tore. It's all this holy
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saddle sitting sadly by the door. Memories and
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tales of life and things may sometimes fade.
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We're soon gone, the world moves on no matter
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what we've made. In absence we still linger,
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although we're here no more. Our touch lives
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on and it's not gone, our saddle's by the door.
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bloke, his swag's rolled up, he's waiting for
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a train. A lifetime working stations, but he
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won't be back again. His leg was badly broken
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once, now limps forevermore. He owned that poley
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saddle, but neglected by the door. A bony swayback
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stock horse, his working years were full. The
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scar there on his flank was from a dust -up with
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a bull. Our touch lives on and it's not gone.
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Our saddle's by the door. years of running wild
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have left him weak he lifts his battered head
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and gives his last of fire he ripped that dusty
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saddle that's abandoned by the door a freshly
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marked 10 piker hide is spread out on the board
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the craftsman definitely works his all his needles
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lace and cord he shapes the hide with skill and
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pride a pleasure not Bills his saddles that sit
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beside the door Memories and tales of life and
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things may sometimes fade Where soon gone the
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world moves on no matter what we've made In absence
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we still linger, all the way no more Our touch
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lives on and it's not gone, our saddles by the
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door Our touch lives on and it's not gone On
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our saddles by the door. Ah, yes. Dean Perrott's
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Saddle by the Door. On our very first podcast,
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Manny. What do you think? I think this is our
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very first podcast, I do. That's exactly right.
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You're like a mirror. You and I, we're like brothers.
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Twins, we are. Yeah, only our mothers can tell
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us apart. But you are so ugly, man. Same fathers,
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though. Even on audio. Thanks for that. I've
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got a good face for television. No, radio, is
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it? Is that how it's supposed to go? Hey, that
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was one of your songs, actually. Yes, it is.
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Yeah, it is, yeah. That was actually one of my
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very, very first songs I ever wrote. Oh, wow.
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It came out of a songwriting sesh with Brendan
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Wormsley. Oh, lovely. Brendan's a lovely young
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fellow, isn't he? Oh, mate, it was good. It was
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a great session as well, too. And one of his
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throwaway lines was, you've got to pick up something
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common and look for a different twist. Fantastic.
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And I thought to myself, saddle. Saddle by the
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door. That's perfect. And you sold it to old
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Babyface. You gave it to Babyface to do. Mate,
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that was 12, almost 15 years after I wrote the
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bloody thing. Nobody else would take it. Oh,
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thanks, Dino. I certainly appreciate it. There
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you go, folks. The life of a songwriter. The
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Adventures of Manny and Pix. Thank you very much
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indeed. And now... Bulldog Mac by Geoffrey Brown.
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Yes, sir. With this COVID thing, every store
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I go into, my hands get free alcohol. You're
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supposed to put it on your hands, you dick. Well,
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it tastes nice. Remember Hermannsburg? What an
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extraordinary country out there, out from Alice
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Springs there. Healing country. Healing country,
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they call it, at the Urinter. the East Nauru
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people. Warren H. Williams, of course, is the
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keeper of the stones for those people. Of course,
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you know, he's involved with the John and the
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Raining on the Rock and all of that. Yeah, and
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I remember you did a little stint just above
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town there, just outside of town with your fiddle.
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It was very evocative, that. It was beautiful,
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just beautiful. You know what it is, though?
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It's the whole area. It's Namajira country as
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well. Right, of course. And that's where those
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colours came from. Yeah. You know, Albert...
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painted those colours out there. And, of course,
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you know who it was. It was, of course, Warren's
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father, Gus Williams. This is the segue. Did
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you plan that? How about an image of it? Just
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like this. And many the feet was full from dark
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satin night. And many fair brothers will stand
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with bowed head. For the message came this morning
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and the dearer. the hall of fame Mary left upon
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his walls true Australian name Now, what I'd
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like to bring up here is the fact that we wanted
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to do this podcast to celebrate our friendship,
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but we also, you know, we... We're coming at
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the industry from different angles. I mean, I've
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been a fiddle player all my life. You've been
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a poet and a wordsmith. And it's funny how we
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almost like the same things. For instance, great
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songwriters. You're a great songwriter. I try
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to write good songs as well. But one of the ones
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that I really like is Greg Champion. I love Greg
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Champion. He's fantastic. Isn't he great? Absolutely.
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He's got a turn of phrase that not many others.
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He's laconic. And Australian. Yeah, absolutely.
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Yeah. One of the songs that I always used to
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play of Greg's was Three Crows. Okay. Have a
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listen to this. This is Three Crows, Greg Champion.
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Said one crow to the other crows, tell me crows,
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now do you know? She said, tell me, where do
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you suppose? Where, where, where is the feeding
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goo? Said another crow to the very first crow,
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yes I know where I would go. She said, yes, yes,
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yes I know, where? Said the other two crows,
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pray tell us. Vince, didn't we, before that?
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Yeah, great champion, isn't he great? I love
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him. He deserves a double play. Of course he
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does. That's why we did it, because we can. We
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can, because you know why? It's our show. That's
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right. Stumpy and Grumpy. No, you idiot. It's
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called The Adventures of Manny and Pix. It's
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not fucking Stumpy and Grumpy, for fuck's sake.
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It's Stumpy and Grumpy. Hey, Kelly Dixon rang
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you up? Yes, he did. He's in... Well, actually,
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he's in Lismore. He had to drop Marion off. God,
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I hope he's wearing a mask there. Mate, 94, you
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know. I know. I've seen him manipulate that flaming
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big caravan of his. Yeah, I know. Mate, he's
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tougher than 15 bloody 30 -year -olds. Yeah,
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when he was at Norma's last year up at Boney
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Mountain there, he was putting his way through
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everybody and getting us, oh, this is my spot,
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I'm this way. I'm having here. Mate, you step
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aside for that bit, I tell you. It's Kerry Nesford,
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mate. Who? Like I said, who? Oh, I never took
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him apart. You know, he's still writing. Oh,
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why wouldn't he? Mate, he is writing as good
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as Henry Lawson. Of course. And I really mean
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that, you know. Of course. You see, it's so important.
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Because he's 94, he's like gold. He's so important
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because he's writing from that perspective of
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that almost 100 years ago. It's like word history.
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And the thing is that he writes so well because
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he's well trained. Yeah. And he's been doing
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it for such a long time. And he's such a... Yeah.
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He's written some of the greatest bush ballads
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in Australian history. When a swag was our home.
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From Wayville to Boulder, forever that biting
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saw the wind in our face. We branded the Mickeys
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and we tailed the wild reeders, drafted the pats
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on the wide open plains. We broke the wild colts
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and we sang in the moonlight to the traveling
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mobs we shall not see again. It's the heat and
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the dust and the dung and the rope burns. We
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form the best friendship the bush can but spawn.
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We were rovers and drovers, saddle -borne vagabonds,
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destined for drifting the day we were born. Dances
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were chances to win some fair maiden. Seldom
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were part of the world which we knew. And two
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came the road trains, the bikes and the choppers,
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the drovers and rovers we soon cast aside. For
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mobiles and budgets, and two -ways and gadgets,
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a new century's dockman who can't even ride.
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A horse from the fenceless white places we came
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from The endless white world which we both used
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to roam The busters and bruises and scars did
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not matter When a throne was a saddle, a swag
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was our home But old Father Time is a kind of
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a rover Calling on fellows like me and like you
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He coats us with stiffness and muscles of torture.
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We can't ride the wild ones we once used to do.
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So it's time now for slippers, lounge rooms and
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dreamings of days that we squandered and songs
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that we've sung. To the mobs in the moonlight,
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chances we missed in those far away places when
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restless and young. Well, we rode the wild horses,
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yearned the young ladies, we bought the big mobs
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from that faraway land. But it's time now for
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slippers, memories and relics of days that we
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squandered when a swag was our home. Yes, it's
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time now for slippers, memories and relics of
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days that we squandered when a swag was our home.
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home Dave Kirk there with a great Kelly Dixon
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song when a swag was our home and it takes me
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back to those great old songs that we used to
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listen to when we were kids and from you know
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Stan Costa and Rick and Thel and Barty Williams
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and all of those things and it's just it's just
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wonderful to see that Kelly Dixon 94 still around
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Mate, he does so well. The swag, the swag. I
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can see that glint in your eye. You're heading
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there. No, I hate camping. I just hate camping.
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I don't like it. It's dirty and it's dusty. But
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it's not. You can't shower properly. Yes, you
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can if you're in a creek or somewhere near a
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creek. You're an idiot. Truly you are. What?
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We went out there. She said, come out to Alice
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Springs or whatever. We'll share the bloody thing.
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He said, I've got a surprise for you. You know
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what a surprise was? He wanted to go bushwalking
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naked, as if that would be a surprise for fucking
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me. Mate, talk about embellishment. You're a
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fucking idiot. That's what you do. No, just a
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bit of an aside on that one there, folks. What
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usually happens whenever I go out to the desert?
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pull over the side of the road and just head
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over the sand dunes. And when I'm far enough
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away from the road, I have my cleansing. That's
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what I call it, my cleansing. Let's just put
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this in perspective. Your cleansing is to strip
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off all your clothes and walk through the desert,
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right? Yep. Like a wrinkled white raisin. Hardly.
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Hardly wrinkled. A pearl of a body. Jesus Christ.
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A pearl? No, prune. Well, we both were born when
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we were very young. That's true. I shouldn't
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talk anyway. I'm no glamour puss. Oh, that's
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right. Face like target practice and a sagging
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superstructure. Look at that. Look at that. We're
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both there. But I do love... Camping, I really
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do. Even now, that's the only way I prefer to
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go, is just for the swag. It really suits your
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lifestyle, though, Manfred, because you like
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writing songs about the bush, you get inspiration
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when you travel through these towns, you meet
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interesting people, you know. And what about
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you now? I mean, I remember when we first went
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camping at Hallows Springs there. Mate, you really
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shit yourself. But by the same token... I didn't
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shit myself. I just... Didn't like it. Yes, that's
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a far cry from shitting oneself. True. But by
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the same token, look at you now. How much camping
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gear have you got? Oh, shut the fuck up. Aldi
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had a sale on camping gear. What's going on?
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Who are you? Listen, don't you know who I am?
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No, I don't. Listen, listen up. Perhaps I'd better
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tell you the name. I'm the rodeo queen and a
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great life is mine. I've got all the Queensland
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ringers just standing in line, darling. And any
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one of them betrayed me for his pet blue heeler.
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And they call me the below -heeler, Sheila. Well,
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I'm the Sheila. Hey, I think we should get to
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know each other a little bit better, sweetheart.
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Oh, yeah, I'll say. I'm feeling a bit toey. Come
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on, give me a call. Here's a go, eh? I come from
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Barbabila and I'll tell you with pride I never
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saw a horse or bull that I couldn't ride I'm
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a wizard with a stock whip and a ringer in the
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shed And when it comes to women, mate, I stand
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them on their head There I'm the killer From
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Boggabilla. Yeah, sure you are. That's me, mate.
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I'm the Boggabilla lady killer. Wait a minute.
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I know where I've seen you before. I know where
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I've seen you before. I knew we'd met. Where
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was it? Let me tell you, mate. Let me tell you.
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It was up at Mataranka at the rodeo. Every think
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he tried to ride it up reels he'd go. Howling
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like a dingo every time he took a fall. And too
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drunk to find a sheila at the rodeo ball. He's
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the wanker. Bill or Will or Sheila from... That
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was Glenn Jones and Pixie playing with the girls.
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No, no, I've never done that. That was me playing
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the bill -a -wheel -a -sheila. Oh, okay. I was
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the bill -a -wheel -a -sheila, and I was fine
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in that little cotton outfit. Yeah, until that
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bloody idiot truckie came in at the last minute.
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Doesn't matter. But I've got to say one thing.
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What's that? I do have you to thank for a swagger
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thing. You do know we're recording this. Well,
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I can delete it later. Oh, I'm going to play
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this back. You're a bastard. You on? Alan Caswell.
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You were thanking me? I was, and I am. Yeah,
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Alan Caswell. We were at the Australian Bush
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Laureate Awards. We got an award for an album
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that you produced of my poetry. And Alan Caswell
00:32:08.529 --> 00:32:11.309
was there as well, up for... I think he had an
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entry in there as well. And you suggested that
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he and I should get together and do some writing.
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Well... And we did. Well, I'm absolutely pleased
00:32:22.220 --> 00:32:24.940
about that because what's happened since? Two
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golden guitars he got. Two. Who have you got
00:32:28.539 --> 00:32:31.240
to thank for that now? It's on radio. It's there.
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It's on the podcast. It's been recorded. Alan
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Caswell, thank you for the two golden guitars.
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Thank you. A shearer thinks his job must be never
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-ending But the old shearer's cook's always kneading
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and cutting At all times of day He must feed
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them something He's a grumpy old bugger, it's
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true But he's the best at feeding the crew He'd
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like a gas cooktop and a microwave oven A fridge
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and a freezer to keep all the grubbing. But out
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on the muster he does his own toiling. With just
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a camp oven and a billy to boil in. He's a grumpy
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old bugger, it's true. But he's the best at feeding
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the crew. Thanks for watching! When the shearers
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get tired, they'll often abuse him. Say he puts
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too much water into the stew and he might get
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angry for a moment or two. Then shrug shoulders
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and goes back to what he was doing. He's a grumpy
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old bugger, it's true. But he's the best at feeding
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the crew. and cursing and sweating and bending
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Shearer thinks his job must be never ending but
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the old shearer's cook's always kneading and
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cutting at all times of day he must feed them
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something he's a grumpy old fucker it's true
00:35:01.340 --> 00:35:07.039
but he's the best at feeding the crew he's a
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grumpy old fucker it's true but he's the best
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at feeding songs you've written, but that wasn't
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one of them. What was that? That's correct. Feeding
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the Crew, written by Cathy Baszynski. Wow. It's
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a good song, mate. It is a great song. And you
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don't pull, you know. No, it's a great song.
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Pictures in the windscreen kept changing all
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the time. Now we're floating on our backs under
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a mad rank of Milky Way. Just floating on our
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backs under a mad... all to ourselves everybody
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else is packed it in 400 k's from darwin 3000
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and where it Be good to get to Darwin. That's
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where we're heading. No set time. We can get
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there when we like. But for now, that big bright
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sky is just yours and mine. And we're floating
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on our backs under a... Gorgeous song. First
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time I ever saw Mataranka. You've been around.
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You must have been there. But first time I ever
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saw Mataranka, 1979, when I was with the legendary
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Buddy Williams. How old were you at the time?
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Oh, look, a 20 -year -old. I think I was only
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20. Oh, you were only a young nipper. Only a
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young fella. And we pulled up to Mataranka the
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evening before because we'd come up from the
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previous day's gig or something. As you know,
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it's tyranny of distance up there. It's a long
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time between water stops. We got to Mataranka
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and set up camp that night and the next morning,
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6am, woke up to this primordial scene of the
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mist and everything on the rainbow pool. Yeah,
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rainbow. Beautiful. Absolutely extraordinary.
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Beautiful. Well, Manfred, I think we're done
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with our first podcast, mate. Well, if that's
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the way you feel, let's get the flaming alley
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out of here. Yeah, I think we'll play something...
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How about some poetry for crying out loud? Well,
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I know you're the poet and we haven't done any
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poetry. How about a bit of Ray Essary? I'm sure
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it's something... It is older than dirt. I know,
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but I'm sure Ray will give us something, you
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know, iconic and meaty and something terrible.
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Yes. Something political that we can put our...
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Yes. He's a bush poet for crying out loud. We
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can hang our hats off anything that he says.
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Miss Betty bought her bought some butter but
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she said the butter was bitter and if she put
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the bitter butter in the batter then the batter
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would turn out bitter but if she went and bought
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a little bit of better butter that was better
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than the bitter butter and put it in the batter
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then the batter wouldn't be bitter so she went
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and bought a little bit of better butter that
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was better than the bitter butter and put it
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in the batter and the batter wasn't bitter so
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wasn't it good that little Miss Betty bought
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her bought a little bit of better butter. Oh
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for fuck's sake. If you don't like it, who cares?
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If you do, we'll be back next week with another
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episode of Stumpy and Grumpy. At only two bucks
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an episode, what have you got to lose? Two bucks,
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I guess.
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It's time for the adventures of Stumpy and Grumpy.
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With this COVID thing, every store I go into,
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my hands get free alcohol. Join us as we celebrate
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their odd friendship and their love of all things
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Australian. Let's get back to you and your backyard.
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I'm sure that was a euphemism. This podcast is
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intended for adults, so wowsers can go fuck themselves.
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What are you, strumming chooks again? Strumming
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chooks? Yeah. You like that? If you were going
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to strum a chook, how would you actually hold
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it? Well, everybody knows the sequence for that.
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You grab it by the friggin' neck, give it a bit
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of a pull, then the legs, bang bang, and you
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just... You're an idiot. Play a song. The stalls
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have long been empty, and the shed's a mess today.
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A dirty saddle blanket is a rat's nest in the
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hay. The tack is old and mouldy, and it's strewn
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across the floor. And a dusty police saddle sits
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abandoned by the door. There's missing D's and
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knee pads worn, the stitching's come undone.
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The straps are dry and brittle, and the counter
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lining's gone. A big gash in the nearside flap,
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I'm wondering how it tore. It's all this holy
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saddle sitting sadly by the door. Memories and
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tales of life and things may sometimes fade.
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We're soon gone, the world moves on no matter
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what we've made. In absence we still linger,
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although we're here no more. Our touch lives
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on and it's not gone, our saddle's by the door.
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bloke, his swag's rolled up, he's waiting for
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a train. A lifetime working stations, but he
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won't be back again. His leg was badly broken
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once, now limps forevermore. He owned that poley
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saddle, but neglected by the door. A bony swayback
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stock horse, his working years were full. The
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scar there on his flank was from a dust -up with
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a bull. Our touch lives on and it's not gone.
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Our saddle's by the door. years of running wild
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have left him weak he lifts his battered head
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and gives his last of fire he ripped that dusty
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saddle that's abandoned by the door a freshly
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marked 10 piker hide is spread out on the board
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the craftsman definitely works his all his needles
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lace and cord he shapes the hide with skill and
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pride a pleasure not Bills his saddles that sit
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beside the door Memories and tales of life and
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things may sometimes fade Where soon gone the
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world moves on no matter what we've made In absence
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we still linger, all the way no more Our touch
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lives on and it's not gone, our saddles by the
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door Our touch lives on and it's not gone On
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our saddles by the door. Ah, yes. Dean Perrott's
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Saddle by the Door. On our very first podcast,
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Manny. What do you think? I think this is our
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very first podcast, I do. That's exactly right.
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You're like a mirror. You and I, we're like brothers.
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Twins, we are. Yeah, only our mothers can tell
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us apart. But you are so ugly, man. Same fathers,
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though. Even on audio. Thanks for that. I've
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got a good face for television. No, radio, is
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it? Is that how it's supposed to go? Hey, that
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was one of your songs, actually. Yes, it is.
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Yeah, it is, yeah. That was actually one of my
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very, very first songs I ever wrote. Oh, wow.
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It came out of a songwriting sesh with Brendan
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Wormsley. Oh, lovely. Brendan's a lovely young
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fellow, isn't he? Oh, mate, it was good. It was
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a great session as well, too. And one of his
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throwaway lines was, you've got to pick up something
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common and look for a different twist. Fantastic.
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And I thought to myself, saddle. Saddle by the
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door. That's perfect. And you sold it to old
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Babyface. You gave it to Babyface to do. Mate,
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that was 12, almost 15 years after I wrote the
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bloody thing. Nobody else would take it. Oh,
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thanks, Dino. I certainly appreciate it. There
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you go, folks. The life of a songwriter. The
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Adventures of Manny and Pix. Thank you very much
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indeed. And now... Bulldog Mac by Geoffrey Brown.
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Yes, sir. With this COVID thing, every store
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I go into, my hands get free alcohol. You're
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supposed to put it on your hands, you dick. Well,
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it tastes nice. Remember Hermannsburg? What an
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extraordinary country out there, out from Alice
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Springs there. Healing country. Healing country,
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they call it, at the Urinter. the East Nauru
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people. Warren H. Williams, of course, is the
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keeper of the stones for those people. Of course,
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you know, he's involved with the John and the
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Raining on the Rock and all of that. Yeah, and
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I remember you did a little stint just above
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town there, just outside of town with your fiddle.
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It was very evocative, that. It was beautiful,
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just beautiful. You know what it is, though?
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It's the whole area. It's Namajira country as
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well. Right, of course. And that's where those
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colours came from. Yeah. You know, Albert...
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painted those colours out there. And, of course,
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you know who it was. It was, of course, Warren's
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father, Gus Williams. This is the segue. Did
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you plan that? How about an image of it? Just
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like this. And many the feet was full from dark
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satin night. And many fair brothers will stand
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with bowed head. For the message came this morning
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and the dearer. the hall of fame Mary left upon
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his walls true Australian name Now, what I'd
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like to bring up here is the fact that we wanted
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to do this podcast to celebrate our friendship,
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but we also, you know, we... We're coming at
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the industry from different angles. I mean, I've
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been a fiddle player all my life. You've been
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a poet and a wordsmith. And it's funny how we
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almost like the same things. For instance, great
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songwriters. You're a great songwriter. I try
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to write good songs as well. But one of the ones
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that I really like is Greg Champion. I love Greg
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Champion. He's fantastic. Isn't he great? Absolutely.
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He's got a turn of phrase that not many others.
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He's laconic. And Australian. Yeah, absolutely.
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Yeah. One of the songs that I always used to
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play of Greg's was Three Crows. Okay. Have a
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listen to this. This is Three Crows, Greg Champion.
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Said one crow to the other crows, tell me crows,
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now do you know? She said, tell me, where do
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you suppose? Where, where, where is the feeding
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goo? Said another crow to the very first crow,
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yes I know where I would go. She said, yes, yes,
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yes I know, where? Said the other two crows,
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pray tell us. Vince, didn't we, before that?
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Yeah, great champion, isn't he great? I love
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him. He deserves a double play. Of course he
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does. That's why we did it, because we can. We
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can, because you know why? It's our show. That's
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right. Stumpy and Grumpy. No, you idiot. It's
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called The Adventures of Manny and Pix. It's
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not fucking Stumpy and Grumpy, for fuck's sake.
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It's Stumpy and Grumpy. Hey, Kelly Dixon rang
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you up? Yes, he did. He's in... Well, actually,
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he's in Lismore. He had to drop Marion off. God,
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I hope he's wearing a mask there. Mate, 94, you
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know. I know. I've seen him manipulate that flaming
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big caravan of his. Yeah, I know. Mate, he's
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tougher than 15 bloody 30 -year -olds. Yeah,
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when he was at Norma's last year up at Boney
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Mountain there, he was putting his way through
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everybody and getting us, oh, this is my spot,
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I'm this way. I'm having here. Mate, you step
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aside for that bit, I tell you. It's Kerry Nesford,
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mate. Who? Like I said, who? Oh, I never took
00:22:36.089 --> 00:22:39.450
him apart. You know, he's still writing. Oh,
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why wouldn't he? Mate, he is writing as good
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as Henry Lawson. Of course. And I really mean
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that, you know. Of course. You see, it's so important.
00:22:48.109 --> 00:22:51.470
Because he's 94, he's like gold. He's so important
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because he's writing from that perspective of
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that almost 100 years ago. It's like word history.
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And the thing is that he writes so well because
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he's well trained. Yeah. And he's been doing
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it for such a long time. And he's such a... Yeah.
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He's written some of the greatest bush ballads
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in Australian history. When a swag was our home.
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From Wayville to Boulder, forever that biting
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saw the wind in our face. We branded the Mickeys
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and we tailed the wild reeders, drafted the pats
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on the wide open plains. We broke the wild colts
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and we sang in the moonlight to the traveling
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mobs we shall not see again. It's the heat and
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the dust and the dung and the rope burns. We
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form the best friendship the bush can but spawn.
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We were rovers and drovers, saddle -borne vagabonds,
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destined for drifting the day we were born. Dances
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were chances to win some fair maiden. Seldom
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were part of the world which we knew. And two
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came the road trains, the bikes and the choppers,
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the drovers and rovers we soon cast aside. For
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mobiles and budgets, and two -ways and gadgets,
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a new century's dockman who can't even ride.
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A horse from the fenceless white places we came
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from The endless white world which we both used
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to roam The busters and bruises and scars did
00:25:07.160 --> 00:25:10.940
not matter When a throne was a saddle, a swag
00:25:10.940 --> 00:25:17.000
was our home But old Father Time is a kind of
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a rover Calling on fellows like me and like you
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He coats us with stiffness and muscles of torture.
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We can't ride the wild ones we once used to do.
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So it's time now for slippers, lounge rooms and
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dreamings of days that we squandered and songs
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that we've sung. To the mobs in the moonlight,
00:25:44.619 --> 00:25:49.339
chances we missed in those far away places when
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restless and young. Well, we rode the wild horses,
00:25:54.619 --> 00:25:58.680
yearned the young ladies, we bought the big mobs
00:25:58.680 --> 00:26:03.859
from that faraway land. But it's time now for
00:26:03.859 --> 00:26:08.119
slippers, memories and relics of days that we
00:26:08.119 --> 00:26:12.799
squandered when a swag was our home. Yes, it's
00:26:12.799 --> 00:26:16.960
time now for slippers, memories and relics of
00:26:16.960 --> 00:26:21.740
days that we squandered when a swag was our home.
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home Dave Kirk there with a great Kelly Dixon
00:26:26.599 --> 00:26:29.200
song when a swag was our home and it takes me
00:26:29.200 --> 00:26:33.079
back to those great old songs that we used to
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listen to when we were kids and from you know
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Stan Costa and Rick and Thel and Barty Williams
00:26:37.859 --> 00:26:40.500
and all of those things and it's just it's just
00:26:40.500 --> 00:26:43.420
wonderful to see that Kelly Dixon 94 still around
00:26:44.059 --> 00:26:49.799
Mate, he does so well. The swag, the swag. I
00:26:49.799 --> 00:26:52.279
can see that glint in your eye. You're heading
00:26:52.279 --> 00:26:55.880
there. No, I hate camping. I just hate camping.
00:26:55.940 --> 00:27:01.619
I don't like it. It's dirty and it's dusty. But
00:27:01.619 --> 00:27:04.519
it's not. You can't shower properly. Yes, you
00:27:04.519 --> 00:27:07.220
can if you're in a creek or somewhere near a
00:27:07.220 --> 00:27:13.160
creek. You're an idiot. Truly you are. What?
00:27:13.579 --> 00:27:16.140
We went out there. She said, come out to Alice
00:27:16.140 --> 00:27:20.700
Springs or whatever. We'll share the bloody thing.
00:27:20.819 --> 00:27:22.700
He said, I've got a surprise for you. You know
00:27:22.700 --> 00:27:25.359
what a surprise was? He wanted to go bushwalking
00:27:25.359 --> 00:27:29.019
naked, as if that would be a surprise for fucking
00:27:29.019 --> 00:27:31.660
me. Mate, talk about embellishment. You're a
00:27:31.660 --> 00:27:35.720
fucking idiot. That's what you do. No, just a
00:27:35.720 --> 00:27:37.519
bit of an aside on that one there, folks. What
00:27:37.519 --> 00:27:39.819
usually happens whenever I go out to the desert?
00:27:41.180 --> 00:27:44.019
pull over the side of the road and just head
00:27:44.019 --> 00:27:45.759
over the sand dunes. And when I'm far enough
00:27:45.759 --> 00:27:50.299
away from the road, I have my cleansing. That's
00:27:50.299 --> 00:27:54.940
what I call it, my cleansing. Let's just put
00:27:54.940 --> 00:27:58.940
this in perspective. Your cleansing is to strip
00:27:58.940 --> 00:28:03.000
off all your clothes and walk through the desert,
00:28:03.140 --> 00:28:08.279
right? Yep. Like a wrinkled white raisin. Hardly.
00:28:08.279 --> 00:28:14.180
Hardly wrinkled. A pearl of a body. Jesus Christ.
00:28:14.440 --> 00:28:22.500
A pearl? No, prune. Well, we both were born when
00:28:22.500 --> 00:28:25.180
we were very young. That's true. I shouldn't
00:28:25.180 --> 00:28:27.720
talk anyway. I'm no glamour puss. Oh, that's
00:28:27.720 --> 00:28:30.079
right. Face like target practice and a sagging
00:28:30.079 --> 00:28:34.220
superstructure. Look at that. Look at that. We're
00:28:34.220 --> 00:28:37.920
both there. But I do love... Camping, I really
00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:40.799
do. Even now, that's the only way I prefer to
00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:42.500
go, is just for the swag. It really suits your
00:28:42.500 --> 00:28:45.859
lifestyle, though, Manfred, because you like
00:28:45.859 --> 00:28:48.240
writing songs about the bush, you get inspiration
00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:49.920
when you travel through these towns, you meet
00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:53.460
interesting people, you know. And what about
00:28:53.460 --> 00:28:55.460
you now? I mean, I remember when we first went
00:28:55.460 --> 00:28:58.579
camping at Hallows Springs there. Mate, you really
00:28:58.579 --> 00:29:00.900
shit yourself. But by the same token... I didn't
00:29:00.900 --> 00:29:06.660
shit myself. I just... Didn't like it. Yes, that's
00:29:06.660 --> 00:29:10.200
a far cry from shitting oneself. True. But by
00:29:10.200 --> 00:29:13.240
the same token, look at you now. How much camping
00:29:13.240 --> 00:29:16.599
gear have you got? Oh, shut the fuck up. Aldi
00:29:16.599 --> 00:29:40.950
had a sale on camping gear. What's going on?
00:29:41.009 --> 00:29:43.490
Who are you? Listen, don't you know who I am?
00:29:43.630 --> 00:29:45.789
No, I don't. Listen, listen up. Perhaps I'd better
00:29:45.789 --> 00:29:49.289
tell you the name. I'm the rodeo queen and a
00:29:49.289 --> 00:29:51.990
great life is mine. I've got all the Queensland
00:29:51.990 --> 00:29:55.089
ringers just standing in line, darling. And any
00:29:55.089 --> 00:29:57.789
one of them betrayed me for his pet blue heeler.
00:29:57.829 --> 00:30:01.549
And they call me the below -heeler, Sheila. Well,
00:30:01.549 --> 00:30:09.599
I'm the Sheila. Hey, I think we should get to
00:30:09.599 --> 00:30:11.039
know each other a little bit better, sweetheart.
00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:14.079
Oh, yeah, I'll say. I'm feeling a bit toey. Come
00:30:14.079 --> 00:30:17.279
on, give me a call. Here's a go, eh? I come from
00:30:17.279 --> 00:30:20.720
Barbabila and I'll tell you with pride I never
00:30:20.720 --> 00:30:24.000
saw a horse or bull that I couldn't ride I'm
00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:26.519
a wizard with a stock whip and a ringer in the
00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:29.839
shed And when it comes to women, mate, I stand
00:30:29.839 --> 00:30:33.179
them on their head There I'm the killer From
00:30:33.179 --> 00:30:35.440
Boggabilla. Yeah, sure you are. That's me, mate.
00:30:35.460 --> 00:30:37.660
I'm the Boggabilla lady killer. Wait a minute.
00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:40.339
I know where I've seen you before. I know where
00:30:40.339 --> 00:30:42.980
I've seen you before. I knew we'd met. Where
00:30:42.980 --> 00:30:45.240
was it? Let me tell you, mate. Let me tell you.
00:30:45.460 --> 00:30:50.400
It was up at Mataranka at the rodeo. Every think
00:30:50.400 --> 00:30:54.119
he tried to ride it up reels he'd go. Howling
00:30:54.119 --> 00:30:57.359
like a dingo every time he took a fall. And too
00:30:57.359 --> 00:31:00.640
drunk to find a sheila at the rodeo ball. He's
00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:21.380
the wanker. Bill or Will or Sheila from... That
00:31:21.380 --> 00:31:25.019
was Glenn Jones and Pixie playing with the girls.
00:31:25.259 --> 00:31:28.910
No, no, I've never done that. That was me playing
00:31:28.910 --> 00:31:30.589
the bill -a -wheel -a -sheila. Oh, okay. I was
00:31:30.589 --> 00:31:32.009
the bill -a -wheel -a -sheila, and I was fine
00:31:32.009 --> 00:31:34.450
in that little cotton outfit. Yeah, until that
00:31:34.450 --> 00:31:36.250
bloody idiot truckie came in at the last minute.
00:31:36.369 --> 00:31:38.829
Doesn't matter. But I've got to say one thing.
00:31:39.009 --> 00:31:41.670
What's that? I do have you to thank for a swagger
00:31:41.670 --> 00:31:45.589
thing. You do know we're recording this. Well,
00:31:45.809 --> 00:31:48.190
I can delete it later. Oh, I'm going to play
00:31:48.190 --> 00:31:51.750
this back. You're a bastard. You on? Alan Caswell.
00:31:51.750 --> 00:31:53.990
You were thanking me? I was, and I am. Yeah,
00:31:54.069 --> 00:31:57.509
Alan Caswell. We were at the Australian Bush
00:31:57.509 --> 00:32:02.369
Laureate Awards. We got an award for an album
00:32:02.369 --> 00:32:08.529
that you produced of my poetry. And Alan Caswell
00:32:08.529 --> 00:32:11.309
was there as well, up for... I think he had an
00:32:11.309 --> 00:32:14.430
entry in there as well. And you suggested that
00:32:14.430 --> 00:32:17.309
he and I should get together and do some writing.
00:32:17.730 --> 00:32:22.220
Well... And we did. Well, I'm absolutely pleased
00:32:22.220 --> 00:32:24.940
about that because what's happened since? Two
00:32:24.940 --> 00:32:28.539
golden guitars he got. Two. Who have you got
00:32:28.539 --> 00:32:31.240
to thank for that now? It's on radio. It's there.
00:32:31.359 --> 00:32:34.160
It's on the podcast. It's been recorded. Alan
00:32:34.160 --> 00:32:37.380
Caswell, thank you for the two golden guitars.
00:32:38.279 --> 00:32:48.339
Thank you. A shearer thinks his job must be never
00:32:48.339 --> 00:32:52.240
-ending But the old shearer's cook's always kneading
00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:56.319
and cutting At all times of day He must feed
00:32:56.319 --> 00:32:59.460
them something He's a grumpy old bugger, it's
00:32:59.460 --> 00:33:07.599
true But he's the best at feeding the crew He'd
00:33:07.599 --> 00:33:11.759
like a gas cooktop and a microwave oven A fridge
00:33:11.759 --> 00:33:15.759
and a freezer to keep all the grubbing. But out
00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:19.819
on the muster he does his own toiling. With just
00:33:19.819 --> 00:33:23.859
a camp oven and a billy to boil in. He's a grumpy
00:33:23.859 --> 00:33:28.720
old bugger, it's true. But he's the best at feeding
00:33:28.720 --> 00:34:17.679
the crew. Thanks for watching! When the shearers
00:34:17.679 --> 00:34:21.360
get tired, they'll often abuse him. Say he puts
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:26.000
too much water into the stew and he might get
00:34:26.000 --> 00:34:29.619
angry for a moment or two. Then shrug shoulders
00:34:29.619 --> 00:34:33.579
and goes back to what he was doing. He's a grumpy
00:34:33.579 --> 00:34:38.539
old bugger, it's true. But he's the best at feeding
00:34:38.539 --> 00:34:46.679
the crew. and cursing and sweating and bending
00:34:46.679 --> 00:34:50.960
Shearer thinks his job must be never ending but
00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:54.019
the old shearer's cook's always kneading and
00:34:54.019 --> 00:34:58.099
cutting at all times of day he must feed them
00:34:58.099 --> 00:35:01.340
something he's a grumpy old fucker it's true
00:35:01.340 --> 00:35:07.039
but he's the best at feeding the crew he's a
00:35:07.039 --> 00:35:11.360
grumpy old fucker it's true but he's the best
00:35:11.360 --> 00:35:26.340
at feeding songs you've written, but that wasn't
00:35:26.340 --> 00:35:28.920
one of them. What was that? That's correct. Feeding
00:35:28.920 --> 00:35:32.559
the Crew, written by Cathy Baszynski. Wow. It's
00:35:32.559 --> 00:35:33.800
a good song, mate. It is a great song. And you
00:35:33.800 --> 00:35:35.840
don't pull, you know. No, it's a great song.
00:35:59.239 --> 00:36:04.019
Pictures in the windscreen kept changing all
00:36:04.019 --> 00:36:12.920
the time. Now we're floating on our backs under
00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:22.980
a mad rank of Milky Way. Just floating on our
00:36:22.980 --> 00:36:36.760
backs under a mad... all to ourselves everybody
00:36:36.760 --> 00:36:47.460
else is packed it in 400 k's from darwin 3000
00:36:47.460 --> 00:38:07.380
and where it Be good to get to Darwin. That's
00:38:07.380 --> 00:38:16.340
where we're heading. No set time. We can get
00:38:16.340 --> 00:38:20.159
there when we like. But for now, that big bright
00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:27.920
sky is just yours and mine. And we're floating
00:38:27.920 --> 00:39:26.210
on our backs under a... Gorgeous song. First
00:39:26.210 --> 00:39:28.710
time I ever saw Mataranka. You've been around.
00:39:28.829 --> 00:39:30.809
You must have been there. But first time I ever
00:39:30.809 --> 00:39:34.989
saw Mataranka, 1979, when I was with the legendary
00:39:34.989 --> 00:39:38.050
Buddy Williams. How old were you at the time?
00:39:38.230 --> 00:39:40.269
Oh, look, a 20 -year -old. I think I was only
00:39:40.269 --> 00:39:41.630
20. Oh, you were only a young nipper. Only a
00:39:41.630 --> 00:39:44.050
young fella. And we pulled up to Mataranka the
00:39:44.050 --> 00:39:45.849
evening before because we'd come up from the
00:39:45.849 --> 00:39:48.750
previous day's gig or something. As you know,
00:39:48.829 --> 00:39:50.969
it's tyranny of distance up there. It's a long
00:39:50.969 --> 00:39:55.019
time between water stops. We got to Mataranka
00:39:55.019 --> 00:39:57.559
and set up camp that night and the next morning,
00:39:57.599 --> 00:40:01.059
6am, woke up to this primordial scene of the
00:40:01.059 --> 00:40:02.679
mist and everything on the rainbow pool. Yeah,
00:40:02.699 --> 00:40:04.960
rainbow. Beautiful. Absolutely extraordinary.
00:40:05.119 --> 00:40:07.460
Beautiful. Well, Manfred, I think we're done
00:40:07.460 --> 00:40:09.239
with our first podcast, mate. Well, if that's
00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:10.920
the way you feel, let's get the flaming alley
00:40:10.920 --> 00:40:14.179
out of here. Yeah, I think we'll play something...
00:40:14.179 --> 00:40:17.019
How about some poetry for crying out loud? Well,
00:40:17.019 --> 00:40:18.139
I know you're the poet and we haven't done any
00:40:18.139 --> 00:40:21.260
poetry. How about a bit of Ray Essary? I'm sure
00:40:21.260 --> 00:40:23.550
it's something... It is older than dirt. I know,
00:40:23.590 --> 00:40:25.570
but I'm sure Ray will give us something, you
00:40:25.570 --> 00:40:28.250
know, iconic and meaty and something terrible.
00:40:28.610 --> 00:40:31.110
Yes. Something political that we can put our...
00:40:31.110 --> 00:40:33.920
Yes. He's a bush poet for crying out loud. We
00:40:33.920 --> 00:40:35.860
can hang our hats off anything that he says.
00:40:36.119 --> 00:40:37.619
Miss Betty bought her bought some butter but
00:40:37.619 --> 00:40:39.139
she said the butter was bitter and if she put
00:40:39.139 --> 00:40:40.739
the bitter butter in the batter then the batter
00:40:40.739 --> 00:40:42.360
would turn out bitter but if she went and bought
00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:43.900
a little bit of better butter that was better
00:40:43.900 --> 00:40:45.420
than the bitter butter and put it in the batter
00:40:45.420 --> 00:40:47.000
then the batter wouldn't be bitter so she went
00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:48.440
and bought a little bit of better butter that
00:40:48.440 --> 00:40:49.880
was better than the bitter butter and put it
00:40:49.880 --> 00:40:51.519
in the batter and the batter wasn't bitter so
00:40:51.519 --> 00:40:53.179
wasn't it good that little Miss Betty bought
00:40:53.179 --> 00:40:56.019
her bought a little bit of better butter. Oh
00:40:56.019 --> 00:41:01.639
for fuck's sake. If you don't like it, who cares?
00:41:03.159 --> 00:41:06.539
If you do, we'll be back next week with another
00:41:06.539 --> 00:41:12.679
episode of Stumpy and Grumpy. At only two bucks
00:41:12.679 --> 00:41:15.559
an episode, what have you got to lose? Two bucks,
00:41:15.579 --> 00:41:15.960
I guess.
