Alien Objects, Seismic Signals & Mars Missions: #505 - Investigating Cosmic Curiosities | Space...

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hello again thanks for joining us this
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is Space Nuts I'm your host Andrew
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Dunley and always good to have your
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company uh coming up we have got plenty
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uh we're going to talk about an alien
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object that turned out not to be as
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alien as they thought it was just
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depends who was driving I suppose uh
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some planets have been found U orbiting
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a nearby star can you guess which one if
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you haven't read it in the news you're
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probably wrong or you could be right and
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Starship headed to Mars and if we got
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time we'll U we'll be talking about a
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couple of other things as well that's
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all coming up on Space Nuts 15 seconds
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5 5 4 3 Space Nuts asut report feels
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good joining us once again is Professor
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Fred Watson astrom at large hello Fred
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hello Andrew excellent to see you it
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it's good to see you too nice shirt pink
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going with pink pink today yeah it's um
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it's actually turned chilly hair here in
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uh Sydney we we had 37 degrees yesterday
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as I believe you did too when I the
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weather report last night and today it's
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22 yeah well we uh yeah that party the
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pool was the perfect location for our
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10-year-old grandson's party yesterday
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because um it was a stinker here uh we
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had a big blustery Sly change overnight
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and it was 14 when we woke up which was
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so nice it's so nice to have some cool
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weather because we have had some real
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rotten days this summer it's been
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Dreadful uh now for those who are
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viewing us at the moment um and for
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those who are listening later uh we have
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a another person in the mix today and
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her n name is Heidi Campo hello Heidi
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hey guys how are you doing very well uh
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it's good to have you along and the
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reason is because I'm going away uh and
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that sort of Dov tales with Fred just
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coming back from a trip and we just
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didn't have time to double up and and
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fill the time I'll be away so you will
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be taking over the hosting chair for um
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four or five episodes so um Heidi's here
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to just sort of play Observer and and uh
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see how it's all done it's not
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complicated because if it was we just
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couldn't do it uh so um yeah I'm sure
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you'll manage Heidi but feel free to
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jump in and anytime you like and armed
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with plenty of dad jokes oh perfect you
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you'll fit in nicely and for those who
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uh May recognize Heidi's name U one of
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the podcasts in our stable is called
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reality check the science of fiction
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which was Heidi's podcast I believe you
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do another podcast though don't you you
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um uh just reality chat yeah okay
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talking to subject matter experts about
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the plausibility of sci-fi Concepts it's
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a little bit on hold right now while I'm
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practicing real science with some of the
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research we're doing for NASA right now
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but that can be a conversation for the
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Q&A yeah very good all right uh well
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it's good to have you alone uh now Fred
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um we've got plenty of stories to deal
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with uh this first one dates back a few
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years uh when something hit the Earth's
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atmosphere and um it it ended up
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splashing down somewhere in near Papa
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and your guinea uh and of course um you
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know everybody said oh it's an alien
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spaceship or parts there are or
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something from an alien world uh but now
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they've been studying the data and it
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might have been something
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else yeah it's a it's a he said she said
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story now this one uh because it we we
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covered this I think uh probably back in
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2023 uh the story is um the you know the
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the sort of radar network uh which looks
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for things coming in um detected a
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meteorite which uh went through the
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Earth's atmosphere in
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2014 uh and that uh is thought to have
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created a seismic signal that led
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researchers to believe that the debrief
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from that meteorite would be spread
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across the ocean floor to the east of
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Manis Island you said sort of north of
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Australia yeah and um in fact that
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uh there is a team from Harvard led by
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Professor RV L whose name crops up quite
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regularly on this show um he uh was
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convinced that because this thing came
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in at I think if I remember rightly it
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was 47 kilometers per second that
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suggests it may well have been an
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Interstellar traveler uh a bit like
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umura the the famous Interstellar
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asteroid that we've also talked about
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endlessly on Space Nuts yeah so ay um
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wanted to find Deb from this object
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because he and his team believed that
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that would uh essentially allow us to
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find stuff that was from another solar
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system and possibly because this is his
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thing uh basically engineered stuff from
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another solar system it may have been
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evidence surveil in life so he set up a
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an expedition
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uh basically he and his team identified
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whereabouts on the uh ocean floor this
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these particles of debris from the
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meteorite would be based on the seismic
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signal that had been received uh and
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said about trolling the ocean floor with
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a magnet or something like that uh
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basically to pick up all the ferris
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material the iron containing material of
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which they got quite a lot little
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spheral of stuff that really was a bit
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unusual in its chemistry in terms of
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what we find on Earth and I think there
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was a consensus that the material you I
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mean a scientific consensus that this
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stuff whatever it was was e
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extraterrestrial at least something that
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had come from uh beyond the
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Earth uh cut fast forward to last week
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of the week before uh when we had
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evidence that the seismic signal which
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uh purportedly had been used to
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determine where this stuff would have
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fallen that seic seismic signal has been
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reanalyzed and it turns out that it was
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most likely not the object entering the
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atmosphere but a truck going around the
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corner just outside this where the
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seismograph is uh it had all the hall
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marks of a truck and so um you know
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there was a bit of uh a I think there's
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a publication to the effect that well
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this stuff probably isn't extra so from
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another solar system because the seismic
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signal was from a truck not from the
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meteor oh my gosh
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meanwhile last week uh aurb has got
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another paper which is currently in
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preparation uh which basically says it
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doesn't matter we found the stuff and uh
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our estimate of where the meteorite
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would have landed did not come
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principally from the seismic signal it
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came principally from the the radar
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determinations and so uh they um are
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sticking with the story that the stuff
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they found on the floor of the the ocean
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is
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probably uh from another solar system if
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not evidence of alien life which is of
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course ailo's um Touchstone if I can put
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it I'm I'm going to say he's probably
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half
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right which half the first
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half yeah I think that's right look it's
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it's great we need people like AI
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because he always thinks outside the box
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it's always the same side of the box
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that he thinks outside of um the alien
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life alien intelligence um but uh often
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his his remarks are uh taken with um not
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a pinch of salt but certainly taken with
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some skepticism is the wrong word no
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it's not skepticism by the by the
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scientific Community it would be that
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would be accurate yeah um the big
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question on my mind is was it a Ford
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Ranger or a Dodge Ram the truck I want
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to know what kind of truck it was I
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don't that yes it could have been I
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think it might have been bigger than
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that probably yeah probably gee could
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have been one of our Outback road trains
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well that would certainly have stirred
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up the seism M gri wouldn't it
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definitely yeah so tell me how this
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seismic data works if that's what they
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initially detected even though it barked
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them up the wrong tree
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um how do they how do they use seismic
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data to analyze where something's coming
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from that seems very interesting so so
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it's the pressure wave basically so when
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an object enters the solar system sorry
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enters the Earth's atmosphere
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particularly hurtling along at more than
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40 kilometers per second um then it
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creates a shock wave and that shock wave
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is basically detected by the seismograph
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probably uh because it shakes the
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building that the seismographs in um I
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mean there there will be an element of
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it that shock wave hitting hitting the
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ground that stirs up the ground a bit uh
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it is extraordinary how sensitive
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seismographs are um I have a colleague
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at Siding Spring Observatory who
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operates as an amateur scientist he
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operates a seismograph that can detect
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you know certainly detect explosions in
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the hunt of Valley coalfield which is
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about 300 kilometers away uh but um but
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but but also much much more much more
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subtle things like trains going fast and
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the nearest train to his location at
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Siding Spring is about 100 kilometers
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away so yeah I strongly suspect whatever
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the truck was it wasn't doing 45
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kilometers a second that's right hi do
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you how yeah I've got a question for you
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Fred so I don't really know how this
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works and I'm sure a lot of the
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listeners don't either how is this not
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more of a common problem CU if they
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picked up this truck and didn't know
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what it was it sounds like there might
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be protocol in place for them to
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differentiate between someone walking
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around in the facility versus a vehicle
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versus something that's you know truly a
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UFO so do they normally mistaken other
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objects no um it's a really good point
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hiy because you know the with a
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seismograph people walking around it is
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is it's it's background interference and
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it happens all the time um I the it is a
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really good point how did you mix up a
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truck that's probably going to go around
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the corner every day uh with with this
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incoming signal and I think um there may
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have been some bad luck there you know
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picking out the signal that just
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happened to be at the right instant in
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comparison with the radar data uh but I
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think so seismic signals are really
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interesting you can learn a lot just by
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looking at what the trace is and in fact
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um going completely off track uh we had
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a contact lovely contact in Greenland
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last month with um scientist actually
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from the UK who seen the size miic
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signal of water slushing around in a f
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in Greenland that went round the world
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and lasted for nine days wow and that's
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a so that that's telling you that
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there's a really particular kind of
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characteristic that lets you do the the
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of a seismic signal that lets you do the
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uh the forensic science as you know as
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you could put it to to work out what's
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happened and maybe it's just bad luck
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that they picked up this signal at the
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truck and said this has got exactly the
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the kind of Trace that you would expect
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to come from an incoming uh body an
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incoming object how fascinating uh and
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by the way that truck driver has been
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done for
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speeding um 47 kilm per second yeah it
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would be it does remind me of another
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story we did once about uh what was it
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an alien signal it turned out to be a
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microwave oven oh well yes that's the
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the great story from parks that they're
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still embarrassed about sorry Parks
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radio telescope yes indeed but uh that's
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a great story it's popped up on a couple
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of websites if you want to go to Cosmos
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magazine.com uh and uh and Chase it up
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there plenty of information and uh it is
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a a really interesting story with all
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the the truck driving and and weirdness
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put pushed aside um Fred let's move on
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to our next Yann and this one is uh
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really exciting because they've thought
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for some time that there's been planets
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orbiting a certain star and now they
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think they've found them although this
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has been a difficult task because of the
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angle of observation I believe that's
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correct yes that's right so um the
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starring question is it's well known to
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astronomers but not very well known to
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the outside world if I put it it that
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way uh it's Barnard star and it was
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discovered by let me guess someone named
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Barnard indeed indeed that's right I'm
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trying to remember his first
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name I think it was Edward yes was it I
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don't know I'll look it up Edgar no was
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it Edward Bernard can't remember anyway
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Bernard worked at one of the major uh us
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observatories and in I think 1914 or
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there about certainly the early uh years
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of the 20th Cent
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um he discovered this star which has and
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I'm going to use the astronomy go
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group now it has the highest proper
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motion of any other star known and the
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proper motion of a star is its motion
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across the sky it's uh it's as we see it
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how fast it moves in the sky now that
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doesn't necessarily mean it's its true
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motion because there's probably a a
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component towards us as well which you
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can actually detect differently but um
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it was 10 seconds a year remembering an
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arcc is 13,600 of a degree the diameter
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of a $1 coin held up at five kilometers
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that's an Australian $1 coin um a tiny
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angle uh and 10 Arc seconds isn't many
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more of them but it's uh by far the
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biggest proper motion motion of a star
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known uh it's Galloping across the sky
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and so uh it's been a favorite of
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astronomers uh for you know ever since
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it was was observed more than a century
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ago first identified uh and astronomers
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of course because it's the next nearest
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star to the Proxima centu system have uh
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looked hard for evidence of planets
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around it uh and now they found them
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they found the evidence there's been a
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few uh what you might call um tentative
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uh um measurements that have uh LED
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people to believe that perhaps Bernard
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St planets uh but now uh because of
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observations made if I remember rightly
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it's the Germany North telescope I
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should have checked that shouldn't I uh
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it's observations made yes Germany North
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in Hawaii uh it's uh observations that
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have been made by that telescope have
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actually nailed it because they have a
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very sensitive uh doppa wobble machine
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and doppa wobble of course is the name
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that we give to the way a star is pulled
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slightly out of place by the planets
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going around it and that pulling and
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pushing of a star by its own planets is
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something that we pick up by the radial
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velocity the velocity along the line of
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sight which I've just talking about so
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uh that has now uh been confirmed that
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there are for sub Earths actually uh
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very small planets and the point that
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you are making and this is what makes it
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a bit difficult because um you you get
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much more information if the planets are
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orbiting in a plane that we can see
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directly along uh so that you have the
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planets passing in front of their star
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uh that's what we call the transit
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method for discovering planets but it
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also gives you much more information
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about the diameter of the planets which
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we don't get from the Dopp wobble
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technique so there's still some unknowns
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about the density of these planets but
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they are confirmed to be there so at
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last the big question are there
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exoplanets Orit barard star has been
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answered aha well that's good news uh
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bad news for anyone living there I
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imagine being a red dwarf it is a red
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dwarf that's right which means that the
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stars are
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orbiting uh sort of within the you know
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you know within within a region uh in
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fact that that most of them orbit just
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within a few days around their parents
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to so they're they're much closer to
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barard Star and Mercury is to the Sun
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and red dwarfs are bad news in that
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regard because they are relative active
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you get these
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flares subatomic particles that might
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fry anything that's on one of the planet
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and I think I'm right in saying that
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none of them are in the habitable zone
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barodar that's the region around a red
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dwarf uh where you could have liquid
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water um well if they did have
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life in that zone it would still be
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perilous I
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imagine yes that's right unless it you
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know who knows with with
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extraterrestrial real life it could be
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anything yeah it could live in the Rocks
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well that's right they could be
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underground that's absolutely true and
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it was discovered by Edward Emerson
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Barnard in 196 Ed well done thank you
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yeah I knew you had it right you had
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about 40 guesses but you got it right
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yeah it's all good okay uh if you'd like
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to read up on that uh there uh got the
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wrong side up here we go uh Noir
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la.edu is where you can read the paper
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on that Discovery n o my la.edu this is
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Space Nuts Andrew Dunley here with
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Professor Fred Watson and py Campo Our
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Guest
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the show 3 2 1 Space Nuts now let's get
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on to this story which um the popular
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press absolutely loves it's Elon Musk
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SpaceX founder headed for Mars well not
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personally although some might say we'd
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like to see that happen but uh it's more
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about his preparation to colonize Mars
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and they're looking at a timeline now uh
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to send a um a mission at the end of
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next
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year that's correct Andrew but not with
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people not with people uh hang on a sec
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Heidi's got to leave us oh than thanks
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for for jumping in just to learn the
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ropes I'm sure you didn't learn anything
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uh
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but we'll we'll catch up with you real
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soon when you take over as host thanks
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Heidi thank you so much to meet you
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Heidi see you soon all right um yes Elon
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off to off the Mars friend that's right
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so um you know this is Elon sort of
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mapping out his plans
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for uh for getting to Mars which uh it
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has to be said
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are all right I'll say it
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unrealistically
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ambitious um um I mean we've just had uh
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what was it Starship 8 uh which uh was
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the eighth test launch of the Starship
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vehicle which consists of uh a booster
00:21:51.480 --> 00:21:53.350
which is the Falcon superheavy with the
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Starship vehicle itself purched on top
00:21:56.720 --> 00:22:01.669
uh Starship 8 uh the was mixed success
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the the booster landed successfully uh
00:22:05.360 --> 00:22:07.430
with the uh what's he call the Chopstick
00:22:07.440 --> 00:22:09.909
me mechanism on the launch pad so it
00:22:09.919 --> 00:22:12.350
returns back to its Launchpad incredible
00:22:12.360 --> 00:22:15.430
technology unbelievable stuff but the
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Starship itself blew up uh sorry rapid
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uh what was it rapid unscheduled
00:22:21.279 --> 00:22:26.110
disassembly did yeah um so um but what
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the point I was going to make was
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Starship 9 is's following close on its
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heels uh because Elon is happy to keep
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getting these things going uh until it
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works as it did with the whole Falcon 9
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Business when when you know they were
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practicing trying to bring spacecraft
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back to their launch sites took a long
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time to get it right now is
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absolutely uh just standard it's just
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the normal situation and I think the
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record is now I think it's 26 flights
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that one Falcon 99 booster has made U
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and that you know it's such a cost
00:23:03.720 --> 00:23:06.190
cutting mechanism it's brilliant stuff
00:23:06.200 --> 00:23:08.470
anyway uh going back to
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Starship I was just going to say for all
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his faults and critics you've got to
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applaud him for the um the rapidity of
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his development process he he finds the
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problems fast fixes them and perfects
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these things in in no time it's quite
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remarkable
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uh it is extraordinary that's right uh
00:23:30.840 --> 00:23:33.710
an extraordinary person in in every way
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um anyway uh one of the reasons why he's
00:23:37.559 --> 00:23:39.669
got such haste to get Starship to work
00:23:39.679 --> 00:23:41.990
well there's two really the main one
00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:44.510
perhaps is that he's contracted to NASA
00:23:44.520 --> 00:23:46.710
for Starship to be the landing vehicle
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to get astronauts on the moon for the
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arimus 3 flight um which currently is
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scheduled for
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2027 uh that's got to be right uh to get
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these astronauts down onto the surface
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and Back Again into an an orbit that
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will take them back to earth that is uh
00:24:07.880 --> 00:24:09.870
very much part of the schedule at the
00:24:09.880 --> 00:24:13.110
moment uh so he's got to make Starship
00:24:13.120 --> 00:24:16.470
work and at the moment he not doing um
00:24:16.480 --> 00:24:19.870
the the the Orit itself uh but the other
00:24:19.880 --> 00:24:23.549
reason is that he wants to send a
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Starship to Mars at the end of
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2026 and the reason for that imperative
00:24:29.679 --> 00:24:31.510
is as you and I have spoken about many
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times uh the windows for launching
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vehicles to Miles come every two years
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and two months yeah and the next one is
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late in 2026 and that's the one he wants
00:24:41.399 --> 00:24:45.310
to uh wants to get otherwise it will be
00:24:45.320 --> 00:24:48.510
2029 uh and that's you know when the
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next window opens so uh Elon is planning
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a robotic motion sorry a robotic flight
00:24:55.960 --> 00:24:59.350
to Mars uh with actually they're
00:24:59.360 --> 00:25:01.310
currently under development humanoid
00:25:01.320 --> 00:25:03.750
robot which is called Optimus on board
00:25:03.760 --> 00:25:05.710
so there will be a humanoid robot on
00:25:05.720 --> 00:25:08.430
this thing uh he's talking about
00:25:08.440 --> 00:25:12.669
2026 uh and perhaps a landing as well on
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Mars uh in 20126 or it will be uh yes it
00:25:16.960 --> 00:25:19.789
will be 2027 uh when the landing took
00:25:19.799 --> 00:25:22.950
place so that's a very very ambitious
00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:25.549
schedule uh he's got to get the thing
00:25:25.559 --> 00:25:27.909
right so it doesn't blow up on launch uh
00:25:27.919 --> 00:25:30.990
on when when it's in orbit insertion um
00:25:31.000 --> 00:25:33.310
and it would be a real Phillip if he
00:25:33.320 --> 00:25:36.269
could actually get a spacecraft on its
00:25:36.279 --> 00:25:39.149
way to Miles by 2026 even if it wasn't a
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Lander even if it was a you know just a
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um Fly by or or even a a going into
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orbit um scenario uh so then but then
00:25:50.320 --> 00:25:54.990
the other bit is uh in fact we've got a
00:25:55.000 --> 00:25:58.110
quote from Elon which I might just read
00:25:58.120 --> 00:25:58.830
uh
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St will you understand
00:26:01.799 --> 00:26:04.750
it Starship departs for Mars at the end
00:26:04.760 --> 00:26:07.350
of next year carrying Optimus if those
00:26:07.360 --> 00:26:09.870
Landings there you are he's ambitious
00:26:09.880 --> 00:26:11.909
his ambition is to land yeah if those
00:26:11.919 --> 00:26:13.190
Landings go
00:26:13.200 --> 00:26:16.590
well then human Landings may start as
00:26:16.600 --> 00:26:17.710
soon as
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2029 because that's when the next window
00:26:20.120 --> 00:26:23.510
is open although he says 2031 is more
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likely and I think 2035 is more likely
00:26:27.200 --> 00:26:31.630
still uh because we still have so many
00:26:31.640 --> 00:26:34.389
issues to solve in terms of putting
00:26:34.399 --> 00:26:36.630
astronauts into a mission that could
00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:39.789
last up to two years uh with you know
00:26:39.799 --> 00:26:41.630
all the need for life support with all
00:26:41.640 --> 00:26:44.350
the radiation issues all of that I think
00:26:44.360 --> 00:26:47.510
it is a very very big ask to be thinking
00:26:47.520 --> 00:26:49.950
about anything before the mid 2030s yeah
00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:51.669
I imagine so I think one of the most
00:26:51.679 --> 00:26:53.269
exciting parts of this Mission if you
00:26:53.279 --> 00:26:55.870
can pull it off is um the Optimus robot
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otherwise known as the Tesla bot which
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is in development uh Tesla Incorporated
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is is building it um and by the way
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Optimus comes from the um uh TV and
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movie
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franchise um uh Transformers Optimus
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Prime being one of the main characters
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I'm sure you've watched them all Fred um
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just just like just like I have but yeah
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that's where the name comes from Optimus
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Prime from um Transformers but uh this
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this is quite remarkable uh um the way
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the way this is being developed and and
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it's and you did say humanoid type robot
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and it does it does look every bit
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humanoid and it's not just Tesla that's
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developing robots uh other companies
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have been doing this for a long time and
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we're really starting to get well down
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the road of uh I suppose we're at the
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beginning of the spectrum of perfection
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of Robotics uh independent thinking
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operating robots and that's what this is
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ultimately going to be uh I think that's
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really exciting um some people are
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probably scared witless because they've
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watched um you know too many science
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fiction films about artificial
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intelligence but
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um this this uh this this could be the
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next giant leap in
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technology um and and I think they'll
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pull it off it's already starting to
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happen so um yeah that's that's exciting
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news anything more to add about elon's
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trip
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not really um I um you know I look I I I
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I will not be surprised if this happens
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just knowing knowing the drive that Elon
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has to get stuff happening get stuff
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fixed well you know without people like
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Elon in our history a lot of stuff would
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never have happened and
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um you can you can Point people in
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history that have done great things
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because they didn't listen to the
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detractors and the critics they just
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said no I'm I've got this idea and I'm
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going to make it work and away they went
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yeah I mean it it's it's also now
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Complicated by the you know the the
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position that Elon uh occupies uh within
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the Trump Administration yeah uh and
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we've got all sorts of concerns being
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impressed about conflicts of interest uh
00:29:31.919 --> 00:29:35.070
there's a lot of stuff happening that
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is counterintuitive perhaps and um not
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necessarily going altogether well and uh
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that that sort of in a way clouds the
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issue because um the Elon is is a
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basically a genius uh and that's
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extraordinary um but it may be that that
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now um you know is is is is overshadowed
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by other things that are
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happening yes and that's rather
00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:06.190
unfortunate but when you um when you
00:30:06.200 --> 00:30:08.070
pick sides in politics you
00:30:08.080 --> 00:30:10.870
disenfranchise half the people you do
00:30:10.880 --> 00:30:13.549
that's exactly right and uh which is why
00:30:13.559 --> 00:30:16.389
test tless Sals are falling yes and like
00:30:16.399 --> 00:30:18.830
I've seen videos of um people you know
00:30:18.840 --> 00:30:21.230
bigname people and I won't point the
00:30:21.240 --> 00:30:23.310
finger at them have already become well
00:30:23.320 --> 00:30:26.350
known through their own exploits um
00:30:26.360 --> 00:30:29.950
giving away their Tesla vehicles in
00:30:29.960 --> 00:30:34.190
protest yeah it's yeah so he has kind of
00:30:34.200 --> 00:30:36.190
ostracized himself I suppose you could
00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:38.470
say uh in some ways but he probably
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doesn't care I don't think so no that's
00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:43.509
right and so let's see what happens yes
00:30:43.519 --> 00:30:45.830
inde do all right uh if you'd like to
00:30:45.840 --> 00:30:49.269
read that story it's at f.org that's
00:30:49.279 --> 00:30:52.669
ps.org not fyz I don't know what that
00:30:52.679 --> 00:30:55.029
would take you to
00:30:55.039 --> 00:31:02.710
um better not to find out now I want to
00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:06.750
look and I feel fine Space Nuts um
00:31:06.760 --> 00:31:08.990
couple of quick stories to finish up uh
00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:12.549
sphere X telescope is now up and running
00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:14.149
or ready to get you know it's off the
00:31:14.159 --> 00:31:17.190
planet uh it is uh that's that's right
00:31:17.200 --> 00:31:20.430
it's uh it's launched on Tuesday last
00:31:20.440 --> 00:31:24.310
week uh I think it's uh on a on a quite
00:31:24.320 --> 00:31:26.990
an interesting uh initial trajectory it
00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:29.190
was a polar orbit that it went into to
00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:35.269
start with and uh it's basically uh a a
00:31:35.279 --> 00:31:38.190
telescope which by the way only has an 8
00:31:38.200 --> 00:31:41.389
in lens on it which is kind of the size
00:31:41.399 --> 00:31:43.470
of most amateur telescopes but it's got
00:31:43.480 --> 00:31:46.350
the most extraordinary uh detectors and
00:31:46.360 --> 00:31:49.629
this curious um heat exchange system
00:31:49.639 --> 00:31:52.310
which makes the whole thing look like uh
00:31:52.320 --> 00:31:54.549
one of those cones of Silence that you
00:31:54.559 --> 00:31:56.350
put around dogs when they're not
00:31:56.360 --> 00:31:58.470
supposed to scatch their
00:31:58.480 --> 00:32:00.430
whatever it is or pull pull their
00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:02.070
stitches out from whatever's been done
00:32:02.080 --> 00:32:04.990
to them uh we we had one of those for
00:32:05.000 --> 00:32:08.029
our little poodle when he underwent a
00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:10.870
certain operation uh which he tolerated
00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:14.590
for less than a minute yeah yeah I've
00:32:14.600 --> 00:32:17.590
I've I've often seen cat videos of them
00:32:17.600 --> 00:32:19.470
just basically beating themselves to
00:32:19.480 --> 00:32:22.190
death trying to get those things off uh
00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:25.549
just for the record f.org is
00:32:25.559 --> 00:32:28.710
unreachable ah if I dou
00:32:28.720 --> 00:32:30.269
so I don't know what's going on there
00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:32.190
but um I would have thought that would
00:32:32.200 --> 00:32:34.990
be a URL worth a couple couple of bucks
00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:38.029
um might be on the dark web good good G
00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:39.350
and I've just looked at I've just tried
00:32:39.360 --> 00:32:42.830
to look at it I'm A Marked Man yeah yeah
00:32:42.840 --> 00:32:45.350
yeah all right spherex uh very exciting
00:32:45.360 --> 00:32:47.669
and uh that mapping of the universe it's
00:32:47.679 --> 00:32:49.629
going to happen rather quickly yes
00:32:49.639 --> 00:32:52.230
that's right it's a it's a project uh to
00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:54.190
that I didn't mention it's it's the idea
00:32:54.200 --> 00:32:56.870
is to map the universe in uh because
00:32:56.880 --> 00:32:58.110
it's basically going to look at the
00:32:58.120 --> 00:33:00.750
whole Sky uh and that I think is why
00:33:00.760 --> 00:33:03.669
it's in a polar orbit it Maps the the
00:33:03.679 --> 00:33:05.909
glow of the universe in a sense from
00:33:05.919 --> 00:33:09.590
galaxies and uh you know the light of
00:33:09.600 --> 00:33:13.149
distant star systems and one of the uh
00:33:13.159 --> 00:33:16.430
one of the reasons for sphere X is to
00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:19.509
pin down our understanding of the
00:33:19.519 --> 00:33:23.029
universe's first period the 10 Theus 32
00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:25.590
of a second in which it inflated by a
00:33:25.600 --> 00:33:28.310
factor of 10 the 50 the Pock of
00:33:28.320 --> 00:33:31.549
inflation as it's called amazing and one
00:33:31.559 --> 00:33:33.710
quick one Butcher and sunny N9 months on
00:33:33.720 --> 00:33:35.990
the International Space Station and by
00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:38.549
the time this is released they might
00:33:38.559 --> 00:33:40.710
they might be back on Earth they might
00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:42.830
indeed which would be great for them it
00:33:42.840 --> 00:33:44.750
would be good to see them coming back
00:33:44.760 --> 00:33:48.710
home uh because we have had them up
00:33:48.720 --> 00:33:52.310
there since June last year yeah they're
00:33:52.320 --> 00:33:55.950
only eight and a half months late for
00:33:55.960 --> 00:33:58.710
dinner yeah I'm sure their relatives
00:33:58.720 --> 00:34:01.470
will all be delighted to see them yes I
00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:04.070
I don't doubt it and we wish them well
00:34:04.080 --> 00:34:06.230
uh we're just about done Fred thank you
00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:08.750
very much great pleasure Andrew good to
00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:10.589
talk as always and we'll see you next
00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:13.149
time we will and uh thanks to Hugh in
00:34:13.159 --> 00:34:15.829
the studio who turned up today uh he
00:34:15.839 --> 00:34:17.869
took time out of his efforts to map the
00:34:17.879 --> 00:34:21.230
universe by hand and for me for me
00:34:21.240 --> 00:34:22.550
Andrew Dunley thanks for your coming to
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Y don't forget to visit our website and
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