Track Attack!

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Brian Wringer: And today we are talking about Baby's First Track Day, and we are welcoming TRO author and podcast emeritus alumni, whatever you want to call them, Travis Burleson and TRO cult member, Neil Sullivan.
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Brian Wringer: I like the sound of that.
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Brian Wringer: You want to make some real money, you want to start a cult, yeah.
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Robin Dean: Because this episode is about track days, we got to go lightning fast because track days and we like to go fast.
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Robin Dean: And as you said during that track day, I like this quote, I believe ass was hauled is what you said.
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Brian Wringer: I was starting to feel like there was the possibility of perhaps maybe some hint of ass was hauled by the end of the day.
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Brian Wringer: I don't want to make claim to hauling ass.
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Brian Wringer: That's kind of a whole claim.
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Brian Wringer: I want to make claim to a fraction of glimpsing the hauling of ass, which is great.
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Brian Wringer: Come on.
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Brian Wringer: I was in the yellow group.
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Brian Wringer: That's all you want.
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Brian Wringer: I got to go around you on this.
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Robin Dean: I got to go around.
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Robin Dean: See, I got to pass you in the street here.
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Robin Dean: Okay.
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Robin Dean: I'm around.
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Robin Dean: Opening banter, corrections, and website updates.
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Robin Dean: The name of the tire inflator that I was speaking about in the previous episode was the RoofPax tire inflator.
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Robin Dean: They are the ma and pa company that every time I call them up and say, I'm sorry, I broke something, I broke it.
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Robin Dean: It wasn't your fault.
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Robin Dean: And I need to buy a component.
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Robin Dean: They say, sure, here, we'll just send you an entire new unit.
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Robin Dean: That's the RoofPax tire inflator.
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Brian Wringer: Can you spell that?
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Robin Dean: R-O-O-F-P-A-X tire inflator.
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Robin Dean: They're really good.
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Robin Dean: So it's a set it and forget it tire inflator that runs on battery.
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Robin Dean: It's a rechargeable battery or by way of your cigarette lighter adapter in a car or by way of two prong plugin, but set it and forget it.
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Robin Dean: I really like it.
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Robin Dean: And they're the ones that were just like, here, I have another one.
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Robin Dean: Whereas, you know, Alpine Star was like, screw you.
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Robin Dean: We'll take more money.
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Robin Dean: Go get some more boots.
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Robin Dean: Next up for bid on the opening banter, corrections, and website updates.
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Robin Dean: I'm going to try to calm my wording for this.
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Robin Dean: I've updated the buy GPX buttons on the website so that you are presented with a message.
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Robin Dean: Now in my notes here, it's called a don't be stupid message about what a GPX file is.
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Robin Dean: So when you make a GPX download purchase on the website for one of our maps, it literally says, Hey, no, what you're buying.
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Robin Dean: And then gives you a brief description of what you're about to buy.
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Robin Dean: And that it's not a beautiful map brochure of something we did.
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Robin Dean: It is a GPX file.
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Robin Dean: It is a series of coordinates in a basically an XML style format that you can plug into a variety of different applications and use to make your journey more digitally enhanced.
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Robin Dean: And the last opening better corrections, the website update, I'm going to be updating our tour difficulties.
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Robin Dean: I actually put it that I've updated our tour difficulties, but I did not update our tour difficulty.
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Robin Dean: The Lake Michigan circle tour is a level two tour.
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Robin Dean: The Texas hill country tour is a level three tour.
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Robin Dean: The Wisco disco extravaganza is a level four tour.
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Robin Dean: Would you agree, Brian?
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Robin Dean: Yeah, I think so.
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Robin Dean: The New Mexico true through consequences tour is a level four option five tour.
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Robin Dean: We'll be riding a level five route.
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Robin Dean: And at the beginning of the level five difficulty, can I get six?
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Robin Dean: No.
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Robin Dean: Can I, can I hear six?
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Robin Dean: Can I get six?
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Brian Wringer: This is not an auction.
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Brian Wringer: Who's going to give me six, six elements.
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Brian Wringer: Come on.
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Brian Wringer: Come on.
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Brian Wringer: So for it's four out of five elements.
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Brian Wringer: Okay.
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Brian Wringer: With an option for five or something.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: I'm going to come up with a way that the five will be blinking.
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Robin Dean: And then of course, trip sevens is a level five tour on, on the downbeat.
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Robin Dean: Now we are missing a member of this chat.
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Robin Dean: I'm going to bring them in here in a moment before we get Neil in here.
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Robin Dean: We got to get a Travis, Travis, where the hell are you?
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Brian Wringer: Oh, Travis, Travitron.
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Robin Dean: This was your idea.
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Robin Dean: I don't even like podcasts.
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Robin Dean: The fuck.
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Robin Dean: Get your green haired ass in here.
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Robin Dean: I've been to several track days.
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Robin Dean: You went to your first track day.
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Robin Dean: I did.
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Robin Dean: Let's bring in another person who has been to several track days.
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Robin Dean: Neil Sullivan, longtime friend of both of us.
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Robin Dean: Who's been to a many rally just so you know, you've been introduced as TRO cult member, Neil Sullivan.
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Robin Dean: Cult member was it?
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Robin Dean: That's you.
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Robin Dean: I'll take it.
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Robin Dean: You and I've been to what, four or five track days together?
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Robin Dean: Gingerman at least twice, maybe three times.
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Neil Sullivan: Yeah, I did my first one.
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Neil Sullivan: That was why I met you.
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Neil Sullivan: And that was 10 years ago.
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Neil Sullivan: I just looked at the date.
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Neil Sullivan: It was August 11th, 2014.
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Neil Sullivan: We've known each other quite some time.
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Brian Wringer: Dang, am I mistaken?
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Brian Wringer: Was this Travis's first track day too?
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Brian Wringer: This was Travis's very first track day.
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Robin Dean: It was a birthday gift from his wife, Laurel.
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Robin Dean: She made it happen for him.
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Robin Dean: So yeah.
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Robin Dean: Happy birthday, Travis.
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Brian Wringer: Glad I could be there for it.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, it was an overwhelming experience in a lot of ways, but a hell of a lot of fun.
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Brian Wringer: One of the points is I've spent a shitload of money, or at least what looks to me like a lot of money, on leathers and boots and preparing and all this stuff.
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Brian Wringer: And now I've got all this sunk cost.
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Brian Wringer: I got to make use of it now.
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Brian Wringer: So the only financially correct decision to make is to go to more track days.
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Brian Wringer: I've made a lot of investments, so the only responsible thing to do.
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Neil Sullivan: That's just logical there.
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Neil Sullivan: That makes all the sense in the world.
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Brian Wringer: It's good to know I've got a support system here.
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Brian Wringer: There's a quote from Peter Egan, who wrote about motorcycling, and he also wrote about cars and crap like that sometimes too.
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Brian Wringer: It said racing, and we're going to say track days, but makes heroin addiction look like a vague wish for something salty.
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Brian Wringer: Doing this can get really, really addictive.
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Robin Dean: Travis isn't here yet, so I'll speak for him when I remember the first thing he said.
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Robin Dean: Nobody else was there at the park.
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Robin Dean: Everybody had gone, and we had the garbage to take away.
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Robin Dean: It was quiet and peaceful.
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Robin Dean: You can smell the late summer breeze.
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Robin Dean: It was just super chill.
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Robin Dean: Get into the truck, door slams.
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Robin Dean: Very first words he says, this is a problem.
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Robin Dean: Like what?
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Robin Dean: The track day?
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Robin Dean: Yeah.
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Robin Dean: No.
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Robin Dean: This is bad.
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Robin Dean: This is a problem.
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Robin Dean: He's newly inspired to take a junk bike he has in his garage that it's refurbished and running.
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Robin Dean: It just needs paint and kind of dinged a little bit.
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Robin Dean: He's now heard the big shouting through his phone of track that thing.
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Robin Dean: Lose the headlight, prep it, run it on the racetrack.
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Robin Dean: You're gold.
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Robin Dean: It's done.
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Robin Dean: Now he's actually thinking about it.
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Neil Sullivan: Nice.
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Neil Sullivan: That's a nice strategy there.
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Robin Dean: It just fell into place for him.
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Robin Dean: This podcast episode was brought to you by Travis Burleson's mouth.
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Robin Dean: Right after that, Brian was like, hey, I'm feeling pretty hyped up about the track day.
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Robin Dean: We should do that.
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Robin Dean: I was like, Neil, are you free?
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Robin Dean: Hell yeah.
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Robin Dean: Let's do this.
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Robin Dean: Where's Travis now?
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Robin Dean: But I will tell you that all day at work, the day after, all I was receiving was video messages from him.
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Robin Dean: So I've been looking at leathers.
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Robin Dean: He's on the shopping cart.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: It's pretty, yeah.
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Brian Wringer: It was pretty amazing.
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Brian Wringer: I'll start at the beginning.
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Brian Wringer: When I got there, it's just, it's just chaos.
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Brian Wringer: Everybody doing everything all at once.
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Brian Wringer: No idea what's going on, where to go.
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Brian Wringer: There's no signs.
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Brian Wringer: I don't know if that could have been better if I was just like, what the hell?
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Brian Wringer: I should have just relaxed and just asked somebody what was going on.
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Brian Wringer: We're going to camp, but there's nobody who's interested in talking about camping.
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Brian Wringer: Where do we go?
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Brian Wringer: Who do we pay?
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Brian Wringer: Nothing.
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Brian Wringer: We got over that pretty quick.
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Robin Dean: Something happens when, Neil and I have run into this before, when you've got two people who are experienced with a particular situation, who have different takes on it, different approaches, and then they're trying to coordinate those things and the cogs don't quite line up.
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Robin Dean: And you're just like, well, okay, now, if it were the two of us, it would have been, we would have gotten through it.
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Robin Dean: Right.
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Robin Dean: But with both you and Travis in the mix, everybody was taking deep breaths and then typing their response to something in the Google doc.
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Robin Dean: So it was, I was just like, I'll bring a cooler, a nice little tent, I'll bring sleeping bags, we're going to camp.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Robin Dean: I have a truck.
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Robin Dean: Well, I have a truck.
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Robin Dean: I have a truck.
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Robin Dean: I'm drunk.
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Robin Dean: We're all going to bring our tools.
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Robin Dean: Everybody had everything all at once.
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Brian Wringer: Oh yeah.
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Robin Dean: Now, I will say we got lucky.
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Robin Dean: Neil brought just the perfect amount of water.
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Robin Dean: Yeah.
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Robin Dean: Like exactly the right bottle count.
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Neil Sullivan: It's funny that you say that because I was a hero at the last track day I did for bringing water.
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Neil Sullivan: So apparently anybody who wants to score points at a track day, bring a lot of, you know, go to Walmart, get yourself a big thing of 48 bottles of water.
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Robin Dean: Yeah.
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Robin Dean: Just get a pallet, throw it in the back of the truck.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: You're off to the races.
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Brian Wringer: I had every intention of hitting Costco for 48 pack of water and just kind of forgot all about it.
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Brian Wringer: I brought like all the tools, like major, like I brought an angle grinder.
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Brian Wringer: Why did I bring an angle grinder?
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Brian Wringer: Like if something goes that shit shape that you need an angle grinder, you're not going back on the track.
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Brian Wringer: You know, it's going to be a while.
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Brian Wringer: Why did I bring that?
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Robin Dean: So yeah, I brought a Nomar.
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Robin Dean: I also had a grinder, everything that we bring with us to travel.
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Robin Dean: It was all in the truck.
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Robin Dean: You brought a grinder too?
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Robin Dean: I, well, I, like I said, everybody went blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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Robin Dean: Deep breath.
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Robin Dean: Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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Robin Dean: It was like, I don't know who's bringing what.
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Robin Dean: The thing that I was surprised that we did not have on arrival and I had to steal from Mr. Herrheim, beer.
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Robin Dean: I walked to his trailer, walked through his posse, went into his stash, looked at his son, Michael.
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Robin Dean: Hey, how's it going?
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Robin Dean: Grabbed a bunch of beers out of his fridge and just started talking and drinking.
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Robin Dean: Right to it.
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Brian Wringer: I brought a spare set of tires just because I had them.
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Brian Wringer: Like we caught a really good deal on those Pirellis and I just ordered another set.
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Brian Wringer: Like, ah, throw it in.
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Brian Wringer: I've got a, I've got a minivan.
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Brian Wringer: What's the consensus?
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Brian Wringer: I think the tires did great.
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Brian Wringer: They looked all nice and crispy and shagged and everything, but yeah, I had absolutely no, no worries about the tires all day.
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Robin Dean: Did you have any tar balls on them?
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Robin Dean: Some rubber fry balls on there?
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Brian Wringer: Oh yeah.
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Brian Wringer: I got some good crispy closeups I can send you.
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Brian Wringer: That tells you you had a good time.
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Brian Wringer: You've gotten tires fried pretty good in Missouri and new North Carolina and stuff.
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Brian Wringer: But yeah, all, all day on a track will give you a higher level of crispy.
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Brian Wringer: We set up a Google doc for everybody that was going and we use that to kind of coordinate.
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Robin Dean: That immediately became diarrhea of the typing.
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Brian Wringer: Oh yeah.
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Robin Dean: There's tons.
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Robin Dean: I couldn't stop it.
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Robin Dean: I was just like, okay, I'm going to create my own little cul-de-sac here of basic information.
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Robin Dean: Little things I might've forgot.
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Robin Dean: Like beer.
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Neil Sullivan: Yeah.
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Neil Sullivan: The one thing everybody always forgets is just having a garbage bag.
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Neil Sullivan: And that's, that was another thing I try to remember.
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Neil Sullivan: Everybody remembers to bring the tent or whatever, the canopy that you can hang out under.
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Neil Sullivan: The pop-ups.
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Neil Sullivan: And when you have to strap your kickstand up, you got to bring something to keep your bike upright.
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Robin Dean: I do remember that like, that was a foggy morning.
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Robin Dean: We're like, let's camp.
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Brian Wringer: And I'm thinking it's going to get down.
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Brian Wringer: It was 46 in the morning when I, when I started moving around or six, that was the deal.
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Robin Dean: Like I looked at the temperatures, you know, on the weather forecast at TRO, which is a ride weather forecast, meaning daylight hours.
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Robin Dean: I know because I built it from the ground up myself.
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Robin Dean: It said 58 degrees.
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Robin Dean: I'm like, that's fine though.
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Robin Dean: I can handle that.
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Robin Dean: 58 degrees during the day.
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Robin Dean: And then overnight it got down to 40 what?
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Robin Dean: And I got up in the middle of the night, I think twice.
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Robin Dean: Would not recommend it as a pastime.
00:14:15.400 --> 00:14:16.700
Robin Dean: Not a hobby worth doing.
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Robin Dean: So when I got up in the morning, I saw Brian wearing a, like a shawl and I looked over at Neil and he's just, Neil's just got that, like that smile of tolerating.
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Brian Wringer: This is fine.
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Robin Dean: That morning started rough for all of us.
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Neil Sullivan: I was trying to get the caffeine level up.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: For things like this, where you're going to have a really challenging day, uh, you got to stick to your normal food and your normal routine as much as you can.
00:14:45.980 --> 00:14:50.420
Brian Wringer: You know, so Robin had his hot coffee, you know, I had my, I had my iced coffee.
00:14:51.120 --> 00:14:54.120
Brian Wringer: Neil had whatever gas station abomination he drinks.
00:14:54.820 --> 00:15:01.180
Brian Wringer: Uh, forget what it jolt, some sort of, some sort of can of whoop ass.
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Brian Wringer: I don't know what it is.
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Robin Dean: I threw three packets of instant coffee into one of my camp bugs and then slammed that At any rate, this is about a track day.
00:15:12.280 --> 00:15:13.220
Robin Dean: We made it through that morning.
00:15:13.440 --> 00:15:17.940
Robin Dean: I did receive word from Travis in Travis's own inspiring words.
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Robin Dean: I'll fucking be there when I can.
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Brian Wringer: Poor guy.
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Robin Dean: Thinking of you, Travitron.
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Brian Wringer: So I had a new set of leathers, new boots, had never worn them before.
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Brian Wringer: Like I tried them on in a living room and show up and I'm going to go ride motorcycles fast with this on.
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Brian Wringer: So fortunately that worked out.
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Brian Wringer: It's a good thing.
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Brian Wringer: There wasn't like some sort of like pinchy, horrible, whatever.
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Brian Wringer: And overall I had to say like Motovid did a amazing job of feeding just enough information to keep everybody from overloading.
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Brian Wringer: You know, here's what we expect on the track and things like that.
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Brian Wringer: And also I'll go back the night before we did the track walk with some like surfer track rat racer dude.
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Brian Wringer: I forget his name, but he was awesome.
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Robin Dean: Was he generally a cool guy?
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Brian Wringer: He was like awesome dude.
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Robin Dean: Like was he kind and polite?
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Robin Dean: There you go.
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Brian Wringer: He's very kind, very polite.
00:16:13.840 --> 00:16:20.520
Brian Wringer: You know, showed us where the line is and explained a lot, showed us a lot of visual reference points.
00:16:20.840 --> 00:16:25.580
Brian Wringer: You know, he had us do stuff like turn around and look back and see why we just did what we did.
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Brian Wringer: That kind of thing.
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Brian Wringer: It was extremely valuable.
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Brian Wringer: I mean, I know, you know, but you know, Blackhawk Farms pretty well already, but it was pretty valuable to do that.
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Brian Wringer: So that helped a lot.
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Brian Wringer: But yeah, they start out with a training session in the morning where they kind of explain what's expected of you.
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Brian Wringer: No passing, blah, blah, blah.
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Brian Wringer: And everybody got a cute little pony to unicorn to put on their, uh, their stickers.
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Brian Wringer: So they know you went through the class.
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Neil Sullivan: And of course the four of us proudly kept it on our dash the whole day.
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Neil Sullivan: You know, I'm sure most everybody else got rid of that thing immediately.
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Brian Wringer: Oh no, no, no, no.
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Brian Wringer: I kept my unicorn.
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Brian Wringer: My unicorn was the sexiest unicorn.
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Brian Wringer: That was awkward.
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Brian Wringer: That was awkward because it was a little awkward.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Neil Sullivan: He was certainly the hairiest.
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Brian Wringer: Whoa.
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Brian Wringer: Next level, Neil.
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Brian Wringer: There you go.
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Brian Wringer: Uh, the second session we were allowed to pass on the, on the back straight or after turn six, whatever you want to call it.
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Brian Wringer: What was fun about that was I wasn't sure, like they said, I thought we had to wait until the second lap.
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Brian Wringer: And so we go around turn six and then Neil comes motor and pass.
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Brian Wringer: I'm like, oh, I guess it's time to pass now.
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Robin Dean: Two laps got us through the hot pit.
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Robin Dean: And then after we did that twice, we were good.
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Robin Dean: But then at the third session was when there's, we'll go around one more time and then everybody can go ahead and start passing and rock and roll.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, that was fun.
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Brian Wringer: Take away your mirrors and, and you know, street writers are confused.
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Brian Wringer: And I know I was for a while.
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Brian Wringer: Just the way all these, you know, zip tying your kickstand, all this stuff just takes away every distraction.
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Brian Wringer: The lights are taped.
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Brian Wringer: It takes away absolutely everything that's not necessary.
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Brian Wringer: And I, I started to kind of figure that out.
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Brian Wringer: The biggest change was learning to cross the street.
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Brian Wringer: You know, I can just go from left to right and that's okay.
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Brian Wringer: That's what we're all doing here.
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Brian Wringer: That was a mental leap.
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Robin Dean: Yeah.
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Robin Dean: It's yours.
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Robin Dean: They do want you to be smooth and predictable.
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Robin Dean: That's kind of the game is if you're coming in at novice, which we all were hanging out for, it's really a great opportunity.
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Robin Dean: There's no group that you can get assigned to that won't come with one speed and two, an excellent opportunity to smooth your methods.
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Robin Dean: I mean, I had my own trick up my sleeve, which I'll get to in a moment if you guys are open to hear about it.
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Robin Dean: But the idea being that your real estate is everything ahead of you, unless you're in a main straight and you're being considerate enough to let anybody by.
00:18:57.320 --> 00:18:59.500
Robin Dean: The straight isn't your opportunity to catch up.
00:18:59.580 --> 00:19:03.500
Robin Dean: It's your opportunity to chill out and let everybody get by that you might be bottlenecking.
00:19:03.800 --> 00:19:07.200
Robin Dean: But other than that, when you enter a corner, that is your corner.
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Robin Dean: It's yours.
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Robin Dean: No passing on the inside, no passing on the outside.
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Robin Dean: And when you make signals that you're leaving the track, there's no super tight formations happening.
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Robin Dean: Now, what I was saying before that no matter which group you get assigned to, you just sign up.
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Robin Dean: If there's no spaces in orange, green, or some other color that's not been invented yet.
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Robin Dean: If you end up in novice as we did, we had a blast.
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Robin Dean: I'll tell you what I did was everybody thinks they're fast, everybody.
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Robin Dean: So nobody gets in the slow line.
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Robin Dean: Great.
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Robin Dean: Good for you.
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Robin Dean: You're all fast.
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Robin Dean: Look at that.
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Robin Dean: This massive line of people.
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Robin Dean: There are two lines at the gate, the I need training and I'm timid lane and the I'm feeling spirited and I know what I'm doing lane.
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Robin Dean: And it seemed like the I'm timid lane was always just this void of opportunity.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: I just went right up in there.
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Brian Wringer: Didn't care.
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Robin Dean: I would line up in there.
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Robin Dean: I would do a single half lap, hot pit.
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Robin Dean: And then I owned the entire track, half lap, hot pit, nobody.
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Robin Dean: It was golden.
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Robin Dean: There was, there was nobody to say, Hey, you might want to work on this.
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Robin Dean: I might want to work on that.
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Robin Dean: I was too busy being like, I came here to ride.
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Robin Dean: And I did.
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Robin Dean: That was fun.
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Neil Sullivan: Yeah.
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Neil Sullivan: Yeah.
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Neil Sullivan: That novice group, we were lucky.
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Neil Sullivan: I mean, I've been in some novice groups that are way too crowded or you've got some meatheads that are doing all kinds of awful, unsafe passing.
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Neil Sullivan: There was like a little group of people that were slow and they were the most polite people.
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Neil Sullivan: They kind of hung together.
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Neil Sullivan: And then there was a handful of people that were very fast and then, you know, everybody else was sort of in between.
00:20:46.880 --> 00:20:49.540
Neil Sullivan: And we had so much space to work with.
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Neil Sullivan: It turned out to be probably the best track day I've ever had.
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Neil Sullivan: And really you could ride your own ride, whatever it was and be happy out there and safe.
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Robin Dean: It's really important to me that you had a good time.
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Robin Dean: That was really great to hear.
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Robin Dean: They were grateful that we were there.
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Robin Dean: The fact that Neil's been to several of these and eyeballed this one is no, this is, this is great matters.
00:21:10.900 --> 00:21:12.040
Robin Dean: So very cool.
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Neil Sullivan: Yeah, it was cool.
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Neil Sullivan: I mean, we lucked out with the weather.
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Neil Sullivan: We lucked out with our group, you know, being so light, having so much space and then a pretty good crew.
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Neil Sullivan: There was only a couple of people that were, you know, the, the slow and the curves and fast and the straights.
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Neil Sullivan: Couple of them.
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Neil Sullivan: Maybe two.
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Neil Sullivan: Yeah.
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Neil Sullivan: Two guys.
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Neil Sullivan: But other than that, nothing to complain about.
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Neil Sullivan: And the control riders were outstanding.
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Robin Dean: Yeah.
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Robin Dean: Shout out.
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Robin Dean: The ones I do remember specifically, I know Hirheim was there, Jason Hirheim has been on the show several times.
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Robin Dean: Shout out to Jason Homer.
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Robin Dean: Great guy.
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Robin Dean: Fun to chase around.
00:21:49.680 --> 00:21:50.720
Robin Dean: Great to manipulate.
00:21:50.960 --> 00:21:55.640
Robin Dean: If you get up close to him and he can't see who's behind him and you can just push him faster and faster until he realizes his line's gone.
00:21:56.600 --> 00:21:58.800
Robin Dean: And then he's like, what did you do?
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Robin Dean: You know, that's always fun, Dan.
00:22:01.500 --> 00:22:04.520
Robin Dean: And I can't pronounce his last name very well.
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Brian Wringer: I don't remember his last name, but yeah, I know what you're talking about.
00:22:07.280 --> 00:22:12.060
Robin Dean: Shout out to bad-ass Dan and Jen, his lovely wife, who I hadn't seen in a long time.
00:22:12.060 --> 00:22:14.480
Robin Dean: I didn't even know her through vintage motorcycle stuff in the past.
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Robin Dean: I wanted to bring up, Brian, you've got this thing in here in the outline, this Magazine Cycle World article from 99.
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Robin Dean: What inspired you to paste that in there?
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Brian Wringer: It's an article from Peter Egan about getting track time, doing track days.
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Brian Wringer: And remember, this was 1999.
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Brian Wringer: One of the things we talked about with Hirheim a little bit was it used to be there were no such thing as a track day.
00:22:37.700 --> 00:22:40.860
Brian Wringer: You could show up and race in a novice class.
00:22:40.860 --> 00:22:41.720
Brian Wringer: It was just racing.
00:22:41.980 --> 00:22:43.660
Brian Wringer: And you had to go out there and you had to figure it out.
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Brian Wringer: Track days didn't used to be a thing.
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Brian Wringer: And there was so much less training back in the 90s and so forth.
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Brian Wringer: So that article is, it's an old Cycle World article, Peter Egan, and it talks about getting ready and doing a track day and getting into it again without the pressure of racing.
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Brian Wringer: Track days have made the world a better place.
00:23:02.260 --> 00:23:02.940
Brian Wringer: They just have.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, just a great opportunity.
00:23:05.120 --> 00:23:10.300
Brian Wringer: You know, like there was a guy on a Triumph Bonneville, Chris, he owns a dealership or something.
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Brian Wringer: I don't remember.
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Brian Wringer: MCC.
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Brian Wringer: I think his daughter works for MCC.
00:23:14.760 --> 00:23:15.340
Brian Wringer: MCC guy.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
00:23:16.100 --> 00:23:23.100
Brian Wringer: So he shows up on a Chrome, you know, on a Triumph Bonneville with a bunch of Chrome and he's out there hauling around and having a good time with everybody else.
00:23:23.340 --> 00:23:24.540
Brian Wringer: That's what's cool about it.
00:23:25.000 --> 00:23:26.480
Brian Wringer: You know, you see a variety of machines.
00:23:26.960 --> 00:23:40.500
Brian Wringer: Most of the machines I really could not tell apart because a lot of the track dedicated bikes people have are just like beat up and, you know, they've got like plastic fairings and they're painted with house paint and then they go ride, you know, they don't care.
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Robin Dean: And he had this lovely Chrome, shining, elegant bit of a pig.
00:23:46.420 --> 00:23:49.400
Robin Dean: That's a heavy bike, but ready to go on the track bike.
00:23:49.440 --> 00:23:50.040
Robin Dean: And he was elegant.
00:23:50.140 --> 00:23:51.980
Robin Dean: By the way, shout out to Motorcycle Center.
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Robin Dean: That's MCC.
00:23:53.480 --> 00:23:55.200
Robin Dean: Motorcycle Center is a great dealership.
00:23:55.240 --> 00:23:55.680
Robin Dean: They're renowned.
00:23:55.760 --> 00:23:56.240
Robin Dean: They're well known.
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Robin Dean: He and his daughter were there for the entire duration.
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Robin Dean: That's MCC at 443 East St. Charles Road B in Villa Park, Illinois, 60181.
00:24:06.300 --> 00:24:07.820
Robin Dean: And be sure to check out their website.
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Robin Dean: They were really cool.
00:24:08.740 --> 00:24:09.300
Robin Dean: Very personable.
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Robin Dean: Good time.
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Robin Dean: It was funny to me.
00:24:10.800 --> 00:24:12.260
Robin Dean: I didn't know he was an ex-racer.
00:24:12.680 --> 00:24:19.760
Robin Dean: We were discussing chin over wrist riding, the different terms, you know, kiss the mirror, chin over wrist, angle in, you know, all these different, everybody says something different.
00:24:19.900 --> 00:24:25.100
Robin Dean: It's like it's the same curriculums bleeding on top of each other so that nobody understands what the other person is talking about.
00:24:25.600 --> 00:24:30.740
Robin Dean: Funny to find out that, oh, wait, he knew all of that and was already coaching his daughter about it and things like that.
00:24:30.740 --> 00:24:35.920
Robin Dean: Moving on, we were just talking about the low meathead count in the yellow group.
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Robin Dean: Everybody acknowledges we had a polite group.
00:24:39.800 --> 00:24:47.160
Robin Dean: Now, I will say that the most typical meathead group would be the next level up.
00:24:47.340 --> 00:24:49.320
Robin Dean: The first level intermediate.
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Robin Dean: People who are ready.
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Robin Dean: I'm ready.
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Robin Dean: I'm free.
00:24:52.820 --> 00:24:53.180
Robin Dean: I'm ready.
00:24:53.300 --> 00:24:53.920
Robin Dean: I'm freaking ready.
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Robin Dean: Ready is what I am.
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Robin Dean: There can be a lot more disciplining going on with that group.
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Robin Dean: I know that we heard that another group was being, if you hear him say, we have a mandatory meeting, something may have gone down.
00:25:07.820 --> 00:25:09.860
Robin Dean: I highly doubt it was green.
00:25:11.240 --> 00:25:19.240
Robin Dean: Somebody must've made a legit mistake in green, a very pronounced mistake that none of us in this room know the techniques of, right?
00:25:19.480 --> 00:25:20.280
Robin Dean: We're not there.
00:25:20.660 --> 00:25:23.760
Robin Dean: These three people who are talking right now aren't at that level.
00:25:23.760 --> 00:25:28.260
Robin Dean: And I guarantee you that whatever happened was something like, you know, you flinched your pinky finger and create a wind drag.
00:25:28.280 --> 00:25:29.120
Robin Dean: And we need to talk about that.
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Robin Dean: Cause that's unsafe when you're passing on the inside at 95,000 miles an hour.
00:25:32.700 --> 00:25:32.940
Brian Wringer: Yeah.
00:25:32.960 --> 00:25:33.860
Neil Sullivan: I don't know what happened there.
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Neil Sullivan: Jury meeting to talk about pinky drag.
00:25:37.120 --> 00:25:37.480
Robin Dean: Right.
00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:43.140
Robin Dean: It's like you've got to reel that in, man, three inches of space between you and the bike next to you.
00:25:43.200 --> 00:25:43.620
Robin Dean: Three inches.
00:25:43.700 --> 00:25:48.600
Robin Dean: Make sure, man, you were down to 2.5 inches, but it brings me to what's in the outline here.
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Robin Dean: Brian's got of douchebags and meatheads.
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Robin Dean: What do you want to talk about?
00:25:54.820 --> 00:25:56.380
Brian Wringer: I think we talked about this a little bit.
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Brian Wringer: There were, there were, there were people who caused frustration by riding really shiny, extremely capable Italian bikes, very slowly in the corners and then very quickly in, in between the corners.
00:26:12.340 --> 00:26:14.260
Brian Wringer: That was supremely annoying.
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Brian Wringer: And the official term we learned was, oh, we call them douchebags.
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Neil Sullivan: Now, to be fair, that's the first time I've seen control riders call that out in a class.
00:26:29.560 --> 00:26:32.280
Neil Sullivan: Well, that's got to be called out every time.
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Robin Dean: He called that out before they did it.
00:26:34.560 --> 00:26:34.680
Robin Dean: Yeah.
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Robin Dean: That's the best part.
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Robin Dean: Like maybe, you know, they didn't understand.
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Robin Dean: We've got one, Mr. Travis Burleson about the end of the room.
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Robin Dean: Why hello, Travis.
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Travis Burleson: I have an entire half liter of giant Jones beer in this glass and I'm going to drink it.
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Robin Dean: Yeah.
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Robin Dean: Shout out to giant Jones beer.
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Robin Dean: We are looking for sponsor.
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Robin Dean: We were just discussing some of the slow in the slow in the corners, fast in the streets.
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Robin Dean: Gentlemen, we will pick up in a topic where you might enter more briskly after we get through this next bit.
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Robin Dean: What were you saying, Brian?
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Brian Wringer: The poor things, you know, they probably didn't really know they were douchebags because you don't know who's behind you.
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Neil Sullivan: Yeah, that's entirely possible.
00:27:10.180 --> 00:27:11.440
Neil Sullivan: That's entirely possible.
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Neil Sullivan: They have no idea how much that messes people up.
00:27:14.960 --> 00:27:18.020
Neil Sullivan: Like that slow entry speed into the curves.
00:27:18.460 --> 00:27:18.860
Neil Sullivan: Yeah.
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Neil Sullivan: Such a hot mess, especially if they speed up when you're passing them in the streets and now you got to deal with them at the curve and they're slowing.
00:27:29.040 --> 00:27:31.040
Neil Sullivan: It's like, oh man, this is a hot mess.
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Neil Sullivan: We got to get around these people.
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Robin Dean: Now I did find that I was able to pass that guy.
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Robin Dean: That was not a big deal.
00:27:37.280 --> 00:27:41.140
Robin Dean: I observed him for one lap and I was, this guy really sucks and that's okay.
00:27:41.300 --> 00:27:42.360
Robin Dean: We're here for the same reasons.
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Robin Dean: So I dropped it into third gear, screamed up to 13,000 RPMs and bailed on him like, goodbye, get out of my way.
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Robin Dean: It was doable.
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Travis Burleson: I was talking to Jason about this too.
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Travis Burleson: It's just like, yeah, follow someone for a couple of corners, see how much they suck and then just like make sure that you're not following them into the corner when you want to overtake.
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Travis Burleson: Right.
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Travis Burleson: So leave yourself enough gap so you can do that corner at your speed so that, you know, they enter it, they're halfway through it or three quarters of the way through it by the time you're entering it, but then you're coming out just about the same time.
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Travis Burleson: So you got the, you got the lead to pass, especially if you're, if you're equally gunned or outgunned under throttle, that's the only way you're going to get around them.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: In a way it was frustrating, but it was also kind of fun to figure out, you know, if you had, if you had the time, you know, there were short sessions, you had the time to figure out how to get around them.
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Brian Wringer: I do know there are a couple, I can, I can't name them.
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Brian Wringer: I know what bikes they're on, but I can, I do know there are two douchebags who know they're douchebags because we come out of the corner.
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Brian Wringer: I've got more momentum coming out of the corner and they look over and they're twisting it, you know, and I'm outgunned being a large dude on a large bike with probably about the same amount of horsepower and 15 times the skill.
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Brian Wringer: There was one guy who I, I really thought I was going to get like pulled off and lectured because honestly I passed them on the inside on the corner we were heading into is where I finally completed the pass.
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Brian Wringer: Which corner was it?
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Brian Wringer: Five.
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Brian Wringer: Ooh.
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Brian Wringer: Okay.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: Diving into five.
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Brian Wringer: I basically waited, you know, he hit the brakes early because you know, he hit the brakes early and I squirted ahead of him.
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Brian Wringer: Again, it was all well within reality and normality, you know, and all that.
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Brian Wringer: But I was like, I am going to get flagged and pulled over and talk to like only if there's a control rider there to see you.
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Robin Dean: I don't know.
00:29:33.520 --> 00:29:37.080
Robin Dean: There's a possibility that a control rider may have said, Nope, I'm letting that one go.
00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:38.940
Robin Dean: They seem to see everything.
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Robin Dean: This is one of those moments where even if you feel that angst about that rider, who's slow in the curves and fast in the straights, and you can feel the grunt in there, you're still laughing giggly sport.
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Robin Dean: I mean, you're just losing your fun, even at the worst moments, you're just laughing your ass off.
00:29:54.140 --> 00:29:57.680
Robin Dean: But it does bring, when you pass that guy on the inside, you have a great question here too.
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Robin Dean: I wonder if we all wonder this about ourselves.
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Robin Dean: Was I someone's douchebag at that track day, personally?
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Travis Burleson: I mean, was Robin Dean someone's douchebag?
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Travis Burleson: Almost certainly.
00:30:10.140 --> 00:30:13.300
Travis Burleson: I mean, I think you were, you know, I had to sleep in a tent with you.
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Travis Burleson: You were my douchebag.
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Travis Burleson: You're our douchebag there, Robin.
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Brian Wringer: It's official, right?
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: The one thing I really noticed, started noticing later in the day was the control riders did a really good job of seeing that sort of thing happen.
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Brian Wringer: And then they would go, get in front of the douchebags, tap, tap.
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Brian Wringer: And so the douchebags following them, and then, you know, then the rest of us can go do the thing.
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Brian Wringer: I thought that was really, it's almost like they're seeing a lot more stuff than I'm even aware of.
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Brian Wringer: And it was really interesting and cool to see how that works.
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Travis Burleson: I was surprised there was so many, like, I mean, not surprised, I guess, but yeah, there's only so many slots for each group.
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Travis Burleson: And you know, if there's no orange or green slots, then you got to sign up for yellow slots or whatever.
00:31:02.180 --> 00:31:08.640
Travis Burleson: But there's like dudes in the novice on, you know, Ducati Street Fighters and Gixxer 1000s.
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Robin Dean: And yeah, something will happen if you go to sign up and there's no space available in orange.
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Robin Dean: What are you going to do?
00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:15.500
Robin Dean: Well, I guess I'm not going to track day.
00:31:15.500 --> 00:31:18.700
Robin Dean: No, you just go ride novice and suffer through the first two sessions.
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Travis Burleson: I don't know if that was the case or if they're just like the more money than brains club, you know?
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Robin Dean: Oh yeah.
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Robin Dean: Buying this bike stipulates my skill.
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Travis Burleson: Yeah.
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Travis Burleson: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: Those were precisely the guys going slow.
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Brian Wringer: Believe me.
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Travis Burleson: We also had some fast guys in our group.
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Travis Burleson: I don't know if we've gotten to this point yet.
00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:38.280
Travis Burleson: So the last session we go out, everyone's in the fast lane.
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Travis Burleson: And so I go, so I go in the slow lane again, because like, yeah, there's one person in the slow lane.
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Travis Burleson: And it's this woman rider who I bumped into at the end, like after when we were tearing down and she's on this like white little Kawasaki and I'm like, oh, that's gotta be like a little Ninja 400 or something like that.
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Travis Burleson: And you know, we go out and we kind of, you know, do an easy lap, warm up the tires, you know, and I'm not douche bagging it down the straight on my 650, you know, I'm not maxing it, but it's like, I'm not passing her, like I'm not catching her.
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Travis Burleson: It took me like three laps to like line it up and pass her, you know, out of a corner.
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Travis Burleson: And I don't know if she just bifted or something, but man, she was fast.
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Travis Burleson: It came up later where she was, uh, we were breaking down and Jason was like, I think he was talking to Homer right next to us.
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Travis Burleson: And she came up to talk to Jason about something.
00:32:25.500 --> 00:32:26.740
Travis Burleson: And I recognized her.
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Travis Burleson: I was like, hey, you were on that, uh, that white Kawasaki 400.
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Travis Burleson: She's like, actually it's a 250.
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Brian Wringer: And I go, you're fucking fast.
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Travis Burleson: And she just like giggled and it's like, thanks, thanks.
00:32:39.600 --> 00:32:42.260
Travis Burleson: But she was like, she's on a, she's on a Ninja 250.
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Travis Burleson: I'm on a Honda CB 650 and she's got me.
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Travis Burleson: She's got me paced.
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Robin Dean: She paints a really good line.
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Travis Burleson: Yeah.
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Robin Dean: So I followed her for a quarter lap and every single turn, the angle, the cut, the turn in points, it was all butter quite graceful.
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Brian Wringer: One of the things, and this is my habit on the street too, but I was like, I would really concentrate on the corners, but I wasn't most of the time I was not a thousand percent on the straights.
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Brian Wringer: You know, I got past quite a bit and I passed some people, blah, blah, blah.
00:33:17.240 --> 00:33:19.360
Brian Wringer: Neil pulled off a beautiful pass on me.
00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:22.560
Brian Wringer: It was, it was, I was like, Hey, that looks like Neil.
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Brian Wringer: Well done, sir.
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Brian Wringer: Well done indeed.
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Brian Wringer: So I, that was kind of like, I don't want to be anyone's douchebag.
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Brian Wringer: So I'll just, if somebody wants to pin it in the streets, cause that's not, and I do the same thing on the street, you know, I'm not pinning it on the streets at all.
00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:40.860
Brian Wringer: I'm here to, I'm here to get some lean angle practice in.
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Brian Wringer: You mentioned this, the riding skills part.
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Brian Wringer: Actually riding the motorcycle around corners quickly was, was not the hard part at all.
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Brian Wringer: I know how to do that.
00:33:51.840 --> 00:33:52.640
Brian Wringer: And I did that.
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Brian Wringer: There's a lot of little things about technique that you really, you know, the track really highlights that you need to like one of the control riders is like, Hey, you're doing great, but you know, pull in your toes, you're getting real close to like banging your toes into the ground long before you need to, because your feet are out flapping around.
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Brian Wringer: And I'm like, yeah, you're right.
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Brian Wringer: Thank you.
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Neil Sullivan: I'm with you, man.
00:34:12.140 --> 00:34:13.680
Neil Sullivan: That, that tip spoke to me.
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Neil Sullivan: You know, you mentioned earlier when I was following you, Brian, it was like the third session.
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Neil Sullivan: So I saw that you had totally loosened up and you started to get aggressive and just go after it.
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Neil Sullivan: Which I knew like you guys were probably as far as first time track day guys.
00:34:33.060 --> 00:34:35.780
Neil Sullivan: Both of you guys are way over qualified.
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Neil Sullivan: You know, for the novice group, but it was fun to watch you attack it.
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Neil Sullivan: I don't think I ever got a chance to be behind Travis, but I got to see you, Brian, which was fun, you know, like just totally do your thing.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: I was behind Robin for a while at some points.
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Brian Wringer: I don't remember.
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Brian Wringer: I don't think I was in Travis's.
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Travis Burleson: I passed you one session, but I think it was like the last lap or like it was real close to the end by the time I like caught the rest of the group.
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Robin Dean: Zone photo will have the previews of their images available within the week.
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Robin Dean: So you'll be able to see a full preview of all images.
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Robin Dean: That'll be fun.
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Robin Dean: Yeah.
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Robin Dean: I'll, I'll check that out.
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Neil Sullivan: That toes tip spoke to me big time because I had trouble with that.
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Neil Sullivan: The other thing that was great was that track walk changed the way I
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Neil Sullivan: handled the whole track because the dude told us, yeah, when you're coming
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Neil Sullivan: in, uh, you know, out of turn two, turn three and three, a, you're going to be
00:35:36.840 --> 00:35:42.060
Neil Sullivan: leaning to your right with three B don't lean to your left, don't move your body
00:35:42.060 --> 00:35:46.340
Neil Sullivan: over, you don't have to disrupt your bike, just counterbalance and put,
00:35:46.520 --> 00:35:48.340
Neil Sullivan: lean your bike over to the left.
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Neil Sullivan: So I, I implemented that and holy crap, it changed the fricking track for me.
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Robin Dean: Neil, there's a well-known phrase about why do when you can don't.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Brian Wringer: It's neat because yeah, three a and three B you're on a motorcycle.
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Brian Wringer: You can, you can, it's a straight line and the aiming point for, you know, coming out of two, the aiming point was really weird.
00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:17.460
Brian Wringer: Like there was like this big skid mark from some four wheel contraption.
00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:19.820
Brian Wringer: Anyway, there's a huge skid mark on the track.
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Brian Wringer: So like I aim for that and it's just a straight line, even though there's a little bit of elevation change, so you can't see the, you can't see the curbing on the inside of three or three, whatever the hell it is.
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Brian Wringer: So you can't really see, but you can aim for this distant point and it'll work out in a straight line and stay hanging off to the right so you can dive into three C or four or whatever the hell that one is, the one with the weird surface, like where the inside was slippery and the concrete was bumpy.
00:36:48.480 --> 00:36:48.580
Brian Wringer: Yeah.
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Travis Burleson: That took me forever to wrap my head around.
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Travis Burleson: Get on the line between them.
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Travis Burleson: That might actually be like turn four at that point.
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Neil Sullivan: There is some concrete on the inside of turn four.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, that was fun.
00:36:59.020 --> 00:36:59.500
Brian Wringer: That was fun.
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Robin Dean: But if you enter that with reckless abandoned, I want you to trust me.
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Brian Wringer: Yeah, it'll be fine.
00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:06.640
Robin Dean: It's fantastic.
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Travis Burleson: Oh yeah.
00:37:08.540 --> 00:37:11.100
Travis Burleson: Cause I mean, it would just kind of move around on you a little bit.
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Robin Dean: It was just a little bit of front side shift, but it was like that thing where you're leaned over and all of a sudden you're, you're feeling rise on the side of the bike, so that can be a little nerve wracking, but I learned a lesson from some people about how, like, you've got to accept bike chatter in both tires.
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Robin Dean: And my immediate response is no, I don't.
00:37:28.540 --> 00:37:29.580
Robin Dean: I don't have to accept shit.
00:37:29.900 --> 00:37:31.280
Robin Dean: I'm going to slow down now.
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Travis Burleson: I eventually found a line for that, for like that right-hander, whatever it is, three D because I think first left-hander is four.
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Travis Burleson: Yeah.
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Travis Burleson: Yeah.
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Travis Burleson: Four is the left onto the, onto that one minor straight before five.
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Travis Burleson: Yeah.
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Travis Burleson: So that where like you had the concrete patch in the middle.
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Travis Burleson: Cause yeah, it's like it kept, I would aim for the, what the apex or what I thought was the apex.
00:37:50.970 --> 00:38:00.960
Travis Burleson: And it would always kind of give me a little, a little wiggle, a little bump, like going in, coming out as you kind of shift between that, like where all the cars lay the rubber down on the asphalt and the concrete patch.
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Travis Burleson: And eventually I found a smooth and it, and it like, and it dips, it's like cantered in a weird way.
00:38:06.760 --> 00:38:11.820
Travis Burleson: Like the, the grade is weird and the curb's really steep and you're just trying to like hit this V.
00:38:12.020 --> 00:38:24.980
Travis Burleson: And it's, and then I found if you, if you just shoot at for it later, if you apex it later to like go in on the concrete and apex it later, I got, I found a smooth line and it was like, oh, that's smooth.
00:38:25.080 --> 00:38:26.040
Travis Burleson: That doesn't upset my bike.
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Travis Burleson: I can, then I can transition to the left-handers, which is like the three left-handers there that you link together.
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Robin Dean: You can, but three B all the way to six is one turn.
00:38:37.120 --> 00:38:37.540
Travis Burleson: Yes.
00:38:38.100 --> 00:38:40.300
Robin Dean: Same goes with six all the way to seven.
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Robin Dean: One turn.
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Travis Burleson: Six.
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Travis Burleson: Like if you look at a drawing of the map, looks like two corners, but it's one.
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Robin Dean: You take a right at six and if you're just on the gas full heat, you will arrive at seven.
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Robin Dean: All you're doing is leaning the bike up slowly.
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Travis Burleson: Oh yeah.
00:38:56.560 --> 00:39:01.360
Travis Burleson: Cause yeah, cause you go into six and then there's six silo right before seven, you're upright.
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Travis Burleson: And then there's the big straight, but then there's the 6A, like the little kink.
00:39:05.420 --> 00:39:06.720
Travis Burleson: And yeah, but you just, but same thing.
00:39:06.740 --> 00:39:09.660
Travis Burleson: You just kind of stay on the right side of the bike and sort of stand it up.
00:39:09.720 --> 00:39:11.160
Travis Burleson: And why, why, why moot?
00:39:11.640 --> 00:39:11.860
Robin Dean: Yeah.
00:39:11.920 --> 00:39:15.080
Robin Dean: That's the, I love the mind fuck of a track designer is just like, okay.
00:39:15.640 --> 00:39:18.560
Robin Dean: We're going to discuss a 3A and it's like, wait a minute.
00:39:19.260 --> 00:39:19.960
Robin Dean: Gingerman does that.
00:39:20.480 --> 00:39:21.740
Robin Dean: There's a corner in Gingerman.
00:39:21.820 --> 00:39:36.300
Robin Dean: I don't remember which turn three, four, 17, but there's one that is very particular about this is the apex of the, the mid corner of this, you know, it's like, no, this is one turn and you start here and you're going to make it through the whole thing.
00:39:36.340 --> 00:39:38.380
Robin Dean: And it's a lot of curves will do that.
00:39:38.860 --> 00:39:45.240
Brian Wringer: One thing that surprised me a little bit was that I didn't even really think about the suspension all day.
00:39:45.520 --> 00:39:50.900
Brian Wringer: I was like, oh, you know, I'm going to, you know, want to make an adjustment or think about that and so forth.
00:39:50.940 --> 00:39:52.620
Brian Wringer: I didn't really think about it once all day.
00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:54.200
Brian Wringer: The bike is what it is.
00:39:54.220 --> 00:39:55.760
Brian Wringer: You ride it, you do stuff with it.
00:39:56.120 --> 00:40:04.260
Brian Wringer: I think there was maybe one lap where I really poured it on a hundred percent throttle on the front straight.
00:40:04.640 --> 00:40:06.800
Brian Wringer: Maybe had 120, something like that.
00:40:06.860 --> 00:40:07.900
Brian Wringer: Probably something like that.
00:40:07.900 --> 00:40:10.300
Brian Wringer: I was, yeah, I was near red line in force.
00:40:10.380 --> 00:40:11.360
Brian Wringer: So that would have been about 120.
00:40:11.880 --> 00:40:15.040
Brian Wringer: And the rest of the time I kind of loaf down that front straight.
00:40:15.240 --> 00:40:17.960
Brian Wringer: Like if somebody, I don't want to be anybody's douche bag.
00:40:18.080 --> 00:40:20.020
Brian Wringer: So if they wanted to pass me, they're welcome to.
00:40:20.420 --> 00:40:26.680
Brian Wringer: And also on the back straight on between six and seven, I don't think I really gave it full beans.
00:40:27.360 --> 00:40:37.940
Brian Wringer: Like I hit the rev limiter a few times, which I'm like, oh yeah, I forgot that was there, I didn't, you know, I didn't give it a hundred percent speed on, on that back straight, kind of the same reason.
00:40:37.940 --> 00:40:41.540
Brian Wringer: And also just because that's kind of how I do, you know, on the street.
00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:44.800
Brian Wringer: So you're not going to set a lap record, but it's not what we're there for.
00:40:45.060 --> 00:40:46.040
Brian Wringer: We're there to learn.
00:40:46.920 --> 00:40:56.000
Travis Burleson: Like, yeah, one time on the front straight, I cranked it out, got shifted into fifth before I, you know, decided to start braking and get ready for one.
00:40:56.420 --> 00:41:06.100
Travis Burleson: You know, it definitely did not like take race speed into one or someone who has ridden this track more than just today into one, so plenty of braking time there.
00:41:06.630 --> 00:41:16.100
Travis Burleson: And then there was like one other time where I was like, yeah, I'd caught up to like a pack and then there was like some slow people, like mid pack and some fast people and it was all just a big cluster.
00:41:16.680 --> 00:41:39.680
Travis Burleson: I think I caught up to them like around five, I saw them through four and sort of caught up through five and then like backed off through six and stayed backed off down the back straight so that I had room, took seven the way I would take seven, the slow people sort of filtered out and then I just like, you know, we're like four wide down the main straight cause everyone's going for the pass now.
00:41:40.240 --> 00:41:45.500
Travis Burleson: Like there's the fast people and then there's the people with power and then there's the people who are just like, huh?
00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:52.660
Travis Burleson: So like I came out and I got on it, but then it's like, okay, now everyone has changed positions and the fast people and the people with power sort of filtering.
00:41:52.940 --> 00:41:54.580
Travis Burleson: So it's like, okay, I got to pass like three people.
00:41:54.940 --> 00:41:55.260
Travis Burleson: Okay.
00:41:55.280 --> 00:41:56.840
Travis Burleson: Now I got to get back in line and hit one.
00:41:57.120 --> 00:42:03.080
Travis Burleson: So it was like, that was the other time I like really maxed out the straight because I didn't have a choice without getting in someone's way.
00:42:03.560 --> 00:42:10.180
Robin Dean: Brian brings up the idea that like an awful lot of people aren't used to cornering hard in any context, but they did the opposite.
00:42:10.600 --> 00:42:12.740
Robin Dean: They just reverse the process.
00:42:13.220 --> 00:42:14.920
Robin Dean: Fast gunning, slow turning.
00:42:15.580 --> 00:42:17.340
Brian Wringer: What is this about a Condor clone?
00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:22.320
Brian Wringer: The motorcycle stand from Harbor Freight that I used and you used.
00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:25.020
Brian Wringer: The Pittsburgh brand wheel chalk.
00:42:25.340 --> 00:42:26.240
Brian Wringer: That worked out.
00:42:26.440 --> 00:42:26.860
Robin Dean: Worked great.
00:42:27.100 --> 00:42:28.260
Robin Dean: Push it in, walk away.
00:42:28.260 --> 00:42:31.620
Brian Wringer: Mine kind of slid around the Pittsburgh potty.
00:42:32.020 --> 00:42:32.380
Brian Wringer: Yeah.
00:42:32.520 --> 00:42:34.320
Brian Wringer: And, and Robin, thanks for helping me out with that.
00:42:34.360 --> 00:42:41.420
Brian Wringer: I, you know, with my mobility and stuff, it, it was much better to have someone there to spot me and to yank it out in and out of that thing.
00:42:41.800 --> 00:42:42.340
Travis Burleson: Glad to.
00:42:43.020 --> 00:42:49.360
Travis Burleson: Until once I think the, um, it got warm and the ground dried out from the dew, then they started sliding around on us a little bit.
00:42:49.720 --> 00:42:52.600
Travis Burleson: I did find some, I just, they just came in the mail.
00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:54.740
Travis Burleson: I just opened them up right before I came down here.
00:42:54.740 --> 00:43:06.660
Travis Burleson: Some, uh, spool adapters for the CB, which, which somehow does not have bungs for spools, like welded onto the swing arm, just get axle bungs.
00:43:06.900 --> 00:43:09.740
Travis Burleson: Well, so there's a couple ones that exist.
00:43:09.900 --> 00:43:13.180
Travis Burleson: There's, um, the T-Rex has ones that like clamp.
00:43:13.260 --> 00:43:17.220
Travis Burleson: They're made to like slide over the swing arm and then clamp onto the swing arm.
00:43:17.460 --> 00:43:18.320
Travis Burleson: Well, that's wild.
00:43:18.580 --> 00:43:23.880
Travis Burleson: And then there's ones, those are the ones that I got, which were just like, there's expensive ones and there's cheap ones, but they're all the same.
00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:24.980
Travis Burleson: And they're all this machine out of aluminum.
00:43:25.160 --> 00:43:26.360
Travis Burleson: So like, might as well just buy the cheap ones.
00:43:26.640 --> 00:43:31.960
Travis Burleson: And what they do is you actually like take the wheel off and you thread them over your axle adjuster.
00:43:32.260 --> 00:43:37.020
Travis Burleson: The tension adjuster screw holds it in place and it fits right in that slot and then you lift it up.
00:43:37.240 --> 00:43:44.480
Travis Burleson: And then there's ones that replace the like slider spacers for the axle itself.
00:43:44.780 --> 00:43:49.560
Travis Burleson: So the axle goes through them and then they kind of like kick back and have little spools that hang off the back.
00:43:49.960 --> 00:43:58.180
Travis Burleson: But then someone had mentioned like, oh, these are great for lubing your chain, but you have to, you can't use them to change the tire because the axle goes through them.
00:43:59.560 --> 00:44:00.380
Travis Burleson: It's like, oh yeah.
00:44:00.420 --> 00:44:01.240
Travis Burleson: Why would I get those?
00:44:01.360 --> 00:44:02.140
Travis Burleson: Those seem useless.
00:44:02.200 --> 00:44:09.280
Travis Burleson: So the other ones at least, you know, cause they're, they're on, they're in the channel, but they're held on with the adjuster, you can in theory, take the wheel off still.
00:44:09.920 --> 00:44:10.020
Brian Wringer: Yeah.
00:44:10.020 --> 00:44:10.360
Brian Wringer: That's wild.
00:44:10.440 --> 00:44:13.580
Brian Wringer: They didn't build that bike with the, with the threads for spools.
00:44:14.020 --> 00:44:17.460
Travis Burleson: I'm pretty sure the CBR version of it, it has the same swing arm.
00:44:17.540 --> 00:44:20.280
Travis Burleson: Like if I look at the pictures, there's no bungs there for it.
00:44:20.480 --> 00:44:22.780
Robin Dean: Well, it was a kick-ass tire, all in all.
00:44:22.780 --> 00:44:26.620
Robin Dean: And I think Neil should definitely be the guy to hold the mic for a long time on this one.
00:44:26.700 --> 00:44:29.040
Robin Dean: I'm going to say, I knew what I was getting into.
00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:31.340
Robin Dean: I had a great time, done it before.
00:44:31.480 --> 00:44:32.100
Robin Dean: Great track.
00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:36.240
Robin Dean: Strangely enough, when I get to Blackhawk Farms, I still got to relearn it.
00:44:36.780 --> 00:44:40.100
Robin Dean: I don't do enough track days in a given year to just, oh yeah, no, of course.
00:44:40.140 --> 00:44:43.620
Robin Dean: It's like the guys that motivate, the writers that motivate all the writers that motivate.
00:44:43.880 --> 00:44:50.180
Robin Dean: They've done every track a number of times in a given season, especially Road America and such.
00:44:50.180 --> 00:45:02.700
Robin Dean: So I really had a great time just getting to know it again, especially among people I trust, writers that I trust and novice writers that were dipping their toes into the whole scheme of it, I had a great time.
00:45:03.000 --> 00:45:06.700
Robin Dean: You guys go around, speak your mind, how'd it go for you?
00:45:07.220 --> 00:45:11.000
Robin Dean: Let's round it out and then get this thing packaged up and wrapped in a bow.
00:45:11.580 --> 00:45:14.440
Neil Sullivan: Like I said earlier, it, it was my favorite track day.
00:45:14.520 --> 00:45:17.160
Neil Sullivan: I've probably done seven or eight total, I think.
00:45:18.080 --> 00:45:28.380
Neil Sullivan: And first of all, having a crew like you guys that you can hang with between sessions is fun and you get the help when you need it, obviously, you know, that was great.
00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:38.320
Neil Sullivan: And then the weather was fantastic and I really was nervous about being in the novice group cause I thought, oh no, is this going to be a traffic jam?
00:45:38.420 --> 00:45:39.680
Neil Sullivan: Is this going to be slow?
00:45:40.340 --> 00:45:42.180
Neil Sullivan: Um, and then sometimes you get meatheads.
00:45:42.440 --> 00:45:44.340
Neil Sullivan: We did not have a single meathead.
00:45:44.760 --> 00:45:52.180
Neil Sullivan: If anybody was a meathead, it might've been me because I had to pass that one slow in the curves, fast in the straights guy.
00:45:52.640 --> 00:45:54.100
Travis Burleson: We all had to pass him at some point.
00:45:54.480 --> 00:45:54.960
Travis Burleson: Yeah.
00:45:55.180 --> 00:45:55.360
Travis Burleson: Yeah.
00:45:55.360 --> 00:45:58.860
Travis Burleson: So I mean, but we all passed him according to the rules, right?
00:45:59.080 --> 00:46:03.180
Travis Burleson: Like sort of pretty much in the straights, middle finger extended.
00:46:03.580 --> 00:46:05.600
Neil Sullivan: Just past that passing zone.
00:46:05.900 --> 00:46:09.600
Neil Sullivan: It was already at the point I'm like, all right, there's only one or two more sessions.
00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:12.540
Neil Sullivan: If I get put in jail, so be it.
00:46:12.540 --> 00:46:13.380
Neil Sullivan: I got to do this.
00:46:13.940 --> 00:46:17.480
Neil Sullivan: And sure enough, he taps me, come talk to me.
00:46:18.620 --> 00:46:20.800
Neil Sullivan: So I thought, all right, that's it.
00:46:21.040 --> 00:46:22.380
Neil Sullivan: I guess this is my day.
00:46:22.460 --> 00:46:25.940
Neil Sullivan: And he goes, yeah, I saw you grab a lot of throttle all at once.
00:46:26.400 --> 00:46:28.200
Neil Sullivan: You know, your back tire skipped a little.
00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:29.920
Neil Sullivan: If you do that, it's more smoothly.
00:46:30.080 --> 00:46:31.860
Neil Sullivan: You'll accelerate faster.
00:46:32.140 --> 00:46:33.520
Neil Sullivan: And I'm like, yeah, that's a great point.
00:46:33.680 --> 00:46:45.900
Neil Sullivan: You know, the control rider with the chin beard, I think Dan yeah, in my mind, Dan saw it all.
00:46:46.380 --> 00:46:52.820
Neil Sullivan: And you know, you were saying earlier, Robin, like they decided, yeah, that's just fine that you have to pass this guy that late.
00:46:53.020 --> 00:46:54.260
Robin Dean: I don't like that guy either.
00:46:54.340 --> 00:46:55.100
Robin Dean: Let him do that.
00:46:55.220 --> 00:46:55.580
Robin Dean: Go ahead.
00:46:56.140 --> 00:46:56.560
Neil Sullivan: Exactly.
00:46:56.820 --> 00:47:08.700
Neil Sullivan: I think he was telling me, yeah, I saw it all, you know, and he knew I parkered a little when he pulled me over after the session, but he actually had a great tip.
00:47:08.740 --> 00:47:09.320
Neil Sullivan: He's right.
00:47:09.840 --> 00:47:22.580
Neil Sullivan: If I could be smoother with the throttle, rather than just abruptly grab it all, I probably could have accelerated a half a second or a second faster, you know, could have disposed of the douche bag sooner.
00:47:23.540 --> 00:47:26.060
Neil Sullivan: I gotta say my Dunlop's were fine.
00:47:26.200 --> 00:47:28.620
Neil Sullivan: I was, I had nothing to complain about.
00:47:29.240 --> 00:47:29.680
Neil Sullivan: What are you rocking?
00:47:30.260 --> 00:47:31.200
Neil Sullivan: I don't know what they are.
00:47:31.240 --> 00:47:35.280
Neil Sullivan: They're the stock things that come with the Kawasaki versus 650 LT.
00:47:35.820 --> 00:47:37.380
Neil Sullivan: So they were Dunlop something.
00:47:37.980 --> 00:47:38.820
Neil Sullivan: Whatever comes with it.
00:47:38.920 --> 00:47:39.080
Neil Sullivan: Yeah.
00:47:39.080 --> 00:47:39.960
Neil Sullivan: They did fine.
00:47:40.540 --> 00:47:42.320
Neil Sullivan: I would prefer what you guys were rocking.
00:47:42.420 --> 00:47:43.200
Neil Sullivan: I love Pirelli.
00:47:43.300 --> 00:47:44.180
Neil Sullivan: I find those things.
00:47:44.500 --> 00:47:49.900
Robin Dean: You know, originally Pirelli had upset me because I bought two dents of a tire for my size bike.
00:47:50.000 --> 00:47:55.360
Robin Dean: I bought their GT something, something when it was still as Brian would call it the Sumo class bike tire.
00:47:55.680 --> 00:47:59.100
Robin Dean: And it felt like I was on Flintstone wheels, like rock.
00:47:59.440 --> 00:48:00.460
Robin Dean: They treated me horribly.
00:48:00.540 --> 00:48:01.260
Robin Dean: So I never went back.
00:48:01.340 --> 00:48:07.500
Robin Dean: And now with these STs, we got to stop talking about it because we've got a source and we got to make sure that we don't lose them all.
00:48:07.540 --> 00:48:08.360
Robin Dean: I want to buy them all.
00:48:08.360 --> 00:48:09.740
Robin Dean: They're amazaballs.
00:48:10.060 --> 00:48:10.160
Robin Dean: Yeah.
00:48:10.560 --> 00:48:11.380
Robin Dean: Who's up next?
00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:18.720
Travis Burleson: I was going to say, speaking of tires, uh, Robin alluded that people were talking behind my back about my tires, but my tires did great.
00:48:18.880 --> 00:48:21.620
Travis Burleson: I had no qualms about the Kenda KM ones.
00:48:22.180 --> 00:48:23.680
Travis Burleson: Uh, they, they performed.
00:48:23.980 --> 00:48:26.540
Travis Burleson: I mean, I got an 80 horsepower bike with trash control.
00:48:26.640 --> 00:48:28.320
Travis Burleson: I never saw the trash control light come on.
00:48:28.640 --> 00:48:30.120
Travis Burleson: I didn't see the ABS light come on.
00:48:30.340 --> 00:48:30.960
Robin Dean: I believe you.
00:48:31.220 --> 00:48:32.620
Robin Dean: You got to look at the source.
00:48:32.680 --> 00:48:34.140
Robin Dean: It's you riding the bike.
00:48:34.220 --> 00:48:36.080
Robin Dean: It's Travis motherfucking Burleson.
00:48:36.080 --> 00:48:39.100
Robin Dean: Of course, you're going to make the best out of any tire.
00:48:39.240 --> 00:48:40.500
Robin Dean: It doesn't matter what the tire is.
00:48:40.780 --> 00:48:46.100
Travis Burleson: And so far we're looking at like, what, like way more miles than you got out of the continental kind of sports.
00:48:46.280 --> 00:48:47.220
Travis Burleson: You're correct.
00:48:47.500 --> 00:48:56.960
Travis Burleson: Granted on a lighter bike with less power, but with the track day in there, they still look, I mean, they were all rubber Bali and I had to get that off, but they still look good.
00:48:57.180 --> 00:48:58.980
Robin Dean: But your track day, it was great.
00:48:59.020 --> 00:49:00.340
Travis Burleson: Like I'm totally addicted.
00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:02.540
Travis Burleson: Like I'm like looking at leather suits online.
00:49:03.000 --> 00:49:03.700
Travis Burleson: It's like, wow.
00:49:03.720 --> 00:49:05.600
Travis Burleson: You know, it's like a spy one, right?
00:49:05.600 --> 00:49:06.900
Travis Burleson: Like that's going to save me a little bucks.
00:49:07.140 --> 00:49:10.900
Travis Burleson: Like if I can do two a year, okay.
00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:11.300
Travis Burleson: Let's see.
00:49:11.360 --> 00:49:12.420
Travis Burleson: Maybe I can find like a deal.
00:49:12.540 --> 00:49:14.120
Travis Burleson: Is the Labor Day sale still going on?
00:49:14.180 --> 00:49:16.320
Travis Burleson: I'll look on eBay, find some used one.
00:49:16.660 --> 00:49:17.920
Travis Burleson: I got it all planned out.
00:49:17.940 --> 00:49:19.300
Travis Burleson: And I'm like, oh wait, I ain't got no money.
00:49:20.880 --> 00:49:21.620
Travis Burleson: I got kids.
00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:22.500
Travis Burleson: What am I talking about?
00:49:23.140 --> 00:49:24.500
Travis Burleson: Daddy needs some leather jammies.
00:49:25.280 --> 00:49:26.580
Travis Burleson: And two it's like, they're great.
00:49:26.680 --> 00:49:38.860
Travis Burleson: Like, again, I feel like it falls into the, if I knew then what I know now, it's like, man, I probably should just like, when I started riding motorcycles 14 years ago, I should have bought an arrow stitch suit and a leathers race suit.
00:49:39.060 --> 00:49:40.060
Travis Burleson: And then I'd be fine.
00:49:40.620 --> 00:49:42.620
Travis Burleson: And that's all I would ever need to have ever bought.
00:49:42.980 --> 00:49:47.140
Travis Burleson: You know, I, in retrospect, you know, the first session was like, really?
00:49:47.560 --> 00:49:48.440
Travis Burleson: We're going to do this?
00:49:48.640 --> 00:49:48.740
Brian Wringer: Okay.
00:49:49.180 --> 00:49:52.180
Travis Burleson: But it's like, oh no, you know, I haven't been down this road before.
00:49:52.820 --> 00:49:53.120
Travis Burleson: Right.
00:49:53.500 --> 00:49:58.140
Travis Burleson: We're just looking at it and, you know, seeing where it goes.
00:49:58.740 --> 00:50:02.760
Travis Burleson: I mean, even after walking it, it's, you know, it's way different on a bike, even at slow speeds.
00:50:03.620 --> 00:50:04.600
Travis Burleson: And I'd do it again.
00:50:04.920 --> 00:50:06.660
Robin Dean: I know Neil and I knew this.
00:50:06.960 --> 00:50:10.640
Robin Dean: We were both kind of looking at each other like, come on, session three, come on, session three, come on.
00:50:10.680 --> 00:50:14.100
Robin Dean: We knew, we knew what a novice, okay, session one and two, session three.
00:50:14.180 --> 00:50:23.800
Travis Burleson: If I came back though, like, I think having done it before and I would definitely do it in novice again, now I know how to use that time.
00:50:24.140 --> 00:50:24.500
Travis Burleson: Right.
00:50:24.560 --> 00:50:25.480
Travis Burleson: So like going out.
00:50:25.620 --> 00:50:26.400
Travis Burleson: That's a great point.
00:50:26.800 --> 00:50:27.680
Travis Burleson: Slow is fast.
00:50:28.120 --> 00:50:28.280
Travis Burleson: Yeah.
00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:32.060
Travis Burleson: One, just like having never done the track at speed before, like, yeah, it's
00:50:32.060 --> 00:50:34.680
Travis Burleson: great to go out and look and it's like, obviously you're like imprinting in your
00:50:34.680 --> 00:50:40.500
Travis Burleson: brain, like where the track just actually goes, but now that I've ridden at speed,
00:50:40.500 --> 00:50:44.460
Travis Burleson: now I know it's like, oh yeah, if I can ride this at 40 miles an hour safely,
00:50:44.480 --> 00:50:47.720
Travis Burleson: which you can't do when the track is like hot, now I know what I'm actually
00:50:47.720 --> 00:50:51.900
Travis Burleson: looking for, like now I know where I'm looking at the pavement and trying to
00:50:51.900 --> 00:50:55.140
Travis Burleson: find that like, oh no, see, this is where you'd think the line would be, but it's
00:50:55.140 --> 00:50:57.120
Travis Burleson: not because the pavement's all fucky or something.
00:50:58.360 --> 00:51:03.120
Travis Burleson: Now I'm, I know enough where it's like, oh, actually doing this at 40 miles an hour is going to be way more useful.
00:51:03.680 --> 00:51:07.300
Travis Burleson: Whereas at the time I was like, well, I'm trying to like practice my, like looking through the corners.
00:51:07.360 --> 00:51:18.220
Travis Burleson: And when I look through the corner, I'm going to ride over the curb and the grass and cut the corner like three quarters short because I'm looking through the corner and going 40 miles, I'm looking through the corner for 80 and I'm going 40.
00:51:18.840 --> 00:51:19.460
Travis Burleson: I remember this.
00:51:20.060 --> 00:51:21.820
Travis Burleson: And then, yeah, it was just, it was so much fun.
00:51:21.940 --> 00:51:27.180
Travis Burleson: Like I, again, I, I feel like Neil has like warned me, portented me for the
00:51:27.180 --> 00:51:31.280
Travis Burleson: meatheads and the douchebags saying like, this is the best novice group he's ever
00:51:31.280 --> 00:51:36.020
Travis Burleson: ridden in because yeah, I had, you know, I had no complaint, I mean, other than
00:51:36.020 --> 00:51:40.040
Travis Burleson: the one, the one guy who was easy enough to handle once you, once you knew him and
00:51:40.040 --> 00:51:43.800
Travis Burleson: you saw it and you timed it, you could just pass them and that was fine, you
00:51:43.800 --> 00:51:46.960
Travis Burleson: know, and then there was like one other guy who was like kind of slow on a
00:51:46.960 --> 00:51:49.180
Travis Burleson: multistrada, but he was consistent.
00:51:49.840 --> 00:51:51.060
Robin Dean: He was polite and consistent.
00:51:51.740 --> 00:51:52.060
Travis Burleson: Yeah.
00:51:52.100 --> 00:51:53.080
Travis Burleson: He wasn't a douchebag.
00:51:53.480 --> 00:51:55.880
Travis Burleson: You wait for your moment and you pass them and you just keep going.
00:51:56.020 --> 00:51:59.040
Travis Burleson: So it was, it was so much fun and I would do it again.
00:51:59.080 --> 00:52:00.460
Travis Burleson: It is, is way different.
00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:02.720
Travis Burleson: I try not to have too many expectations.
00:52:03.460 --> 00:52:09.980
Travis Burleson: So I don't know what, like what I was expecting, but you know, I wasn't kind of what I had in my mind, but it was really good and it was really fun.
00:52:10.380 --> 00:52:11.780
Travis Burleson: It was nicely controlled.
00:52:11.880 --> 00:52:13.060
Travis Burleson: It was nicely organized.
00:52:13.720 --> 00:52:14.700
Travis Burleson: The pacing was pretty good.
00:52:14.720 --> 00:52:19.320
Travis Burleson: Like, I feel like you had just enough time to kind of socialize and hang out a little bit between sessions.
00:52:19.780 --> 00:52:21.500
Travis Burleson: Uh, but you got plenty of sessions in though.
00:52:21.580 --> 00:52:24.640
Travis Burleson: I mean, I would have ridden until the sun went down if they gave me an opportunity.
00:52:25.220 --> 00:52:28.740
Travis Burleson: It'll be interesting to get back out on the street.
00:52:29.140 --> 00:52:30.580
Robin Dean: I'm going to talk about that.
00:52:31.500 --> 00:52:33.260
Travis Burleson: Yeah, I have a thought on that too.
00:52:33.340 --> 00:52:33.480
Travis Burleson: Yeah.
00:52:33.840 --> 00:52:34.780
Travis Burleson: I've got words.
00:52:35.440 --> 00:52:37.900
Travis Burleson: And kind of see, but we'll, we'll do that now.
00:52:37.980 --> 00:52:38.680
Travis Burleson: I'm definitely doing it again.
00:52:38.720 --> 00:52:43.700
Travis Burleson: I, if I, I want to do one a year until I can't anymore, at least if not two or five.
00:52:44.120 --> 00:52:44.820
Robin Dean: I love that.
00:52:44.860 --> 00:52:47.120
Robin Dean: And we'll do this right now, real quick for y'all.
00:52:47.120 --> 00:52:50.980
Robin Dean: I'm going to tell you, Neil knows it directly after a track day.
00:52:51.720 --> 00:52:54.080
Robin Dean: Your street riding is compromised.
00:52:56.240 --> 00:52:56.640
Brian Wringer: Yes.
00:52:57.320 --> 00:53:03.200
Robin Dean: So I took a ride two days after I rode the back quarter of the Wisco Disco route from the Helix.
00:53:03.540 --> 00:53:07.880
Robin Dean: Found myself a lot of patch gravel, a lot of unmistakably.
00:53:08.200 --> 00:53:18.360
Robin Dean: I have to deal with this pavement and it really slows your role because you don't want to apply like that track day mentality to street riding.
00:53:18.460 --> 00:53:19.460
Robin Dean: That's just not how it's done.
00:53:19.480 --> 00:53:29.000
Robin Dean: I really had to dial it down and find my way back to my street riding for an entire day for 150 miles of that's how you corner in public.
00:53:29.280 --> 00:53:30.400
Robin Dean: That's how you corner in public.
00:53:30.560 --> 00:53:31.220
Robin Dean: Now I'm back.
00:53:31.280 --> 00:53:31.460
Robin Dean: Okay.
00:53:33.800 --> 00:53:34.980
Brian Wringer: I'll do the same.
00:53:35.060 --> 00:53:38.960
Brian Wringer: Like I've only just errand running and stuff around town, but yeah.
00:53:39.400 --> 00:53:42.020
Brian Wringer: At first it seems like, wow, there's so much room.
00:53:42.220 --> 00:53:43.940
Brian Wringer: I could totally pass this Mazda.
00:53:44.380 --> 00:53:45.880
Brian Wringer: Oh yeah, no problem.
00:53:46.000 --> 00:53:50.640
Brian Wringer: You know, you gotta put those thoughts out of your head and get back into survival mode.
00:53:50.920 --> 00:53:51.860
Brian Wringer: How was your track day?
00:53:52.340 --> 00:53:53.140
Brian Wringer: It was great.
00:53:53.680 --> 00:53:55.420
Brian Wringer: Again, I didn't know what to expect.
00:53:55.420 --> 00:54:00.320
Brian Wringer: I tried not to expect anything other than we're going to ride in circles for a while, which we did.
00:54:00.620 --> 00:54:01.740
Brian Wringer: And I was very happy with that.
00:54:02.380 --> 00:54:12.120
Brian Wringer: We had talked about this before, but there's a thing called beginner mind and I was really striving to just empty out, expect, do what the nice man in the yellow shirt tells me to.
00:54:12.700 --> 00:54:13.860
Brian Wringer: Listen to what he says.
00:54:14.300 --> 00:54:17.700
Brian Wringer: Don't touch other people's motorcycles or other people with your motorcycle.
00:54:18.200 --> 00:54:19.360
Brian Wringer: That was one of his rules.
00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:22.640
Brian Wringer: It's almost like the riding part was on autopilot.
00:54:22.800 --> 00:54:23.660
Brian Wringer: You know, I know how to ride.
00:54:24.580 --> 00:54:26.520
Brian Wringer: Absorbing all the rest was really difficult.
00:54:27.280 --> 00:54:30.840
Brian Wringer: Remembering what to do when you saw the checkered flag here, but not here.
00:54:31.360 --> 00:54:37.960
Brian Wringer: The second to last session, something like that, I was the first time I had seen them waving the checkered flag on the front straight.
00:54:38.580 --> 00:54:47.900
Brian Wringer: And so I could not remember if you do the rest of the lap on the right side with your hand in the air like you just don't care, or if you just keep going.
00:54:48.380 --> 00:54:50.160
Brian Wringer: And Jason immediately knew it was up.
00:54:50.160 --> 00:54:52.080
Brian Wringer: He went right around me and he tapped.
00:54:52.320 --> 00:54:55.820
Brian Wringer: And later on, he's like, yeah, that just tells you it's coming.
00:54:56.080 --> 00:54:57.220
Brian Wringer: You keep going.
00:54:57.700 --> 00:55:00.740
Brian Wringer: Have fun until you get to the back checkered flag.
00:55:00.820 --> 00:55:02.360
Brian Wringer: You know, just details like that.
00:55:02.740 --> 00:55:03.900
Brian Wringer: Just this new environment.
00:55:04.020 --> 00:55:07.820
Brian Wringer: All the details are really difficult to keep it all in one place.
00:55:08.140 --> 00:55:12.160
Brian Wringer: The overall pace of how they kind of ladled, they spoon fed you information.
00:55:12.540 --> 00:55:14.500
Travis Burleson: Well, that's why you got the prettiest unicorn sticker.
00:55:14.680 --> 00:55:16.100
Travis Burleson: They know you did the class.
00:55:16.480 --> 00:55:16.840
Brian Wringer: Lavish.
00:55:16.880 --> 00:55:17.540
Brian Wringer: Must be, yeah.
00:55:17.880 --> 00:55:18.320
Brian Wringer: Lavicorn.
00:55:18.320 --> 00:55:18.700
Brian Wringer: Yeah.
00:55:19.420 --> 00:55:21.220
Brian Wringer: It's like a Taylor Swift unicorn.
00:55:21.440 --> 00:55:24.240
Brian Wringer: I mean, anyway, she's got a place of honor in my garage.
00:55:24.420 --> 00:55:26.200
Robin Dean: That was the first thing I saw when you showed that.
00:55:26.340 --> 00:55:27.360
Robin Dean: I was like, I'd smash that.
00:55:29.140 --> 00:55:33.480
Brian Wringer: But they spoon fed you information at a pace that took all my attention.
00:55:33.580 --> 00:55:34.600
Brian Wringer: Anyway, I don't know about you guys.
00:55:34.640 --> 00:55:36.760
Travis Burleson: Yeah, it was definitely a little bit of drinking from the fire hose.
00:55:37.420 --> 00:55:38.960
Brian Wringer: Robin's back there bored, but you know, whatever.
00:55:39.120 --> 00:55:41.140
Travis Burleson: But he's done it before.
00:55:41.680 --> 00:55:42.660
Robin Dean: I had a great time.
00:55:43.040 --> 00:55:47.180
Travis Burleson: The last session I had a little bit of like executive dysfunction and where I'm like, okay.
00:55:47.660 --> 00:55:55.180
Travis Burleson: Like, you know, like the, especially like the first, like maybe like the third session, fourth session, like when they kind of cut you loose a little bit, it was just like, go, go, go, go, go, go, go.
00:55:55.560 --> 00:56:03.720
Travis Burleson: But like, after that I was like, okay, wait, no, I need to like use this time productively, pick a thing to focus on and like build a skill and do that.
00:56:03.760 --> 00:56:05.540
Travis Burleson: And like by the last session, I was like, what is the thing?
00:56:05.620 --> 00:56:05.920
Travis Burleson: What is it?
00:56:05.920 --> 00:56:09.500
Travis Burleson: Like I'm on my warmup lap and I'm like, what am I doing this lap?
00:56:09.700 --> 00:56:10.420
Travis Burleson: What is my goal?
00:56:10.520 --> 00:56:12.040
Travis Burleson: Like, what is my one thing?
00:56:12.060 --> 00:56:16.480
Travis Burleson: Cause like, I can just go fast, but it's like, then I'm just going to kind of fuck up and fudge every corner and that'd be fine.
00:56:16.480 --> 00:56:18.220
Travis Burleson: But like, no, I want to have like a goal.
00:56:18.320 --> 00:56:19.300
Travis Burleson: I want to accomplish something.
00:56:19.840 --> 00:56:20.940
Travis Burleson: And that was like really hard.
00:56:20.960 --> 00:56:22.600
Travis Burleson: Cause you can't do it all.
00:56:22.660 --> 00:56:26.800
Travis Burleson: It's like, even on a small track like that, there's so much to learn.
00:56:27.340 --> 00:56:28.500
Robin Dean: That's an interesting comment.
00:56:28.900 --> 00:56:30.520
Robin Dean: I want to conclude it there.
00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:37.560
Robin Dean: But at the same time, my goal was to lower the number of curves in the track.
00:56:37.920 --> 00:56:42.060
Robin Dean: Each session for me was reducing the number of turns.
00:56:42.700 --> 00:56:48.580
Robin Dean: Once I do that feeling confident in every line point and turn in an acceleration point.
00:56:48.980 --> 00:56:51.700
Travis Burleson: There's turn one, turn two is basically a kink.
00:56:51.740 --> 00:56:52.360
Travis Burleson: So that doesn't count.
00:56:52.600 --> 00:56:54.320
Travis Burleson: There's the whole turn three complex.
00:56:54.740 --> 00:56:56.400
Travis Burleson: There's turns four and five.
00:56:56.640 --> 00:56:57.620
Travis Burleson: There's six.
00:56:58.020 --> 00:56:58.780
Travis Burleson: There's seven.
00:56:59.260 --> 00:56:59.960
Neil Sullivan: Not in my world.
00:57:00.500 --> 00:57:02.560
Travis Burleson: Four and five are like one.
00:57:02.960 --> 00:57:03.440
Travis Burleson: Yes.
00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:04.220
Travis Burleson: Yeah.
00:57:04.220 --> 00:57:04.840
Travis Burleson: Four and five are one.
00:57:04.900 --> 00:57:05.260
Travis Burleson: That's what I said.
00:57:05.360 --> 00:57:11.080
Travis Burleson: So there's turn one, the turn three complex, four, five, six, and seven.
00:57:11.080 --> 00:57:15.460
Travis Burleson: It's right-hander, right-hander, left, right-hander, right-hander.
00:57:15.760 --> 00:57:15.920
Robin Dean: Okay.
00:57:16.000 --> 00:57:17.540
Robin Dean: I hear you mind this.
00:57:17.640 --> 00:57:19.520
Robin Dean: I'm going to say that there's turn one.
00:57:19.640 --> 00:57:24.240
Robin Dean: There's turn two, turn three goes all the way to three B.
00:57:24.380 --> 00:57:25.320
Robin Dean: If you do it right.
00:57:25.700 --> 00:57:31.520
Robin Dean: Turn four goes all the way to six and then turn six goes all the way to seven.
00:57:31.820 --> 00:57:35.560
Travis Burleson: Are you like linking six, six silos, six A and seven into one turn?
00:57:36.040 --> 00:57:39.660
Robin Dean: Six all the way to seven is one turn because it's six.
00:57:39.720 --> 00:57:40.800
Robin Dean: I'm punching it.
00:57:40.800 --> 00:57:45.500
Robin Dean: Full tilt, grinding through that full force all the way to the turn in itself.
00:57:46.000 --> 00:57:49.980
Robin Dean: And by the time I realized all of that, that's when the bike wouldn't start.
00:57:50.760 --> 00:57:51.420
Travis Burleson: That's true.
00:57:52.080 --> 00:57:56.280
Travis Burleson: My goal last session was just to have loose hands to not tense up at any point.
00:57:56.760 --> 00:58:00.380
Travis Burleson: And I did really good until I hit traffic and had to figure out how to fucking pass someone.
00:58:00.960 --> 00:58:02.180
Travis Burleson: And then I would tense up again.
00:58:02.240 --> 00:58:04.140
Travis Burleson: And then I'd be like, oh, just fucking relax, you idiot.
00:58:04.360 --> 00:58:05.800
Travis Burleson: And then I would relax for a little bit.
00:58:06.000 --> 00:58:09.400
Travis Burleson: And then I caught some people and I had to pass them and I tensed up and then I relaxed again.
00:58:09.400 --> 00:58:13.100
Travis Burleson: But the reason I was catching people is because I was relaxed.
00:58:13.180 --> 00:58:15.640
Travis Burleson: I think I was going faster, even though I was trying less hard.
00:58:16.320 --> 00:58:17.760
Robin Dean: Sitting on a bar stool, typing an email.
00:58:18.080 --> 00:58:19.840
Robin Dean: Can't type an email if you're leaning on the keyboard.
00:58:20.240 --> 00:58:24.100
Brian Wringer: One of the thoughts I wrote down, I think this was the right attitude.
00:58:24.240 --> 00:58:24.820
Brian Wringer: I hope it was.
00:58:24.820 --> 00:58:29.900
Brian Wringer: I was focused on doing everything correctly and not worrying about the speed.
00:58:30.480 --> 00:58:33.680
Brian Wringer: I sold it to my wife as a training day and that's how you go.
00:58:34.160 --> 00:58:35.360
Brian Wringer: I'd recommend it to anyone.
00:58:35.960 --> 00:58:38.320
Brian Wringer: You sure are doing a lot of training days this year.
00:58:40.200 --> 00:58:41.520
Brian Wringer: I'm so stupid.
00:58:41.620 --> 00:58:42.340
Brian Wringer: I need so much training.
00:58:42.620 --> 00:58:45.540
Travis Burleson: What did the track walk guy said when he was a racer?
00:58:45.680 --> 00:58:49.400
Travis Burleson: He owed Michelin $24,000 in tires at the end of the season.
00:58:50.060 --> 00:58:50.340
Brian Wringer: Yeah.
00:58:50.860 --> 00:58:53.800
Brian Wringer: He had to pay off Michelin $24,000 in one winter.
00:58:54.640 --> 00:58:54.780
Brian Wringer: Jeez.
00:58:54.920 --> 00:58:55.080
Brian Wringer: Yeah.
00:58:55.080 --> 00:58:55.720
Brian Wringer: The guy was nuts.
00:58:56.260 --> 00:59:00.580
Brian Wringer: The biggest leap of faith in the whole thing was heading into turn one.
00:59:01.020 --> 00:59:05.240
Brian Wringer: Because you're at the end of a big straight and you're going all the way from the left to all the way to the right.
00:59:05.900 --> 00:59:08.900
Brian Wringer: And hopefully everybody behind you has got their poop in a group.
00:59:09.400 --> 00:59:10.280
Robin Dean: Yeah, I get that.
00:59:10.500 --> 00:59:16.740
Robin Dean: But on you, 115 miles down to 15 miles an hour, whatever you want to take that corner at.
00:59:17.180 --> 00:59:18.200
Robin Dean: It's all about the flag booth.
00:59:18.820 --> 00:59:18.940
Brian Wringer: Yeah.
00:59:19.360 --> 00:59:27.640
Brian Wringer: I knew I had my shit together, but I knew there was a bunch of people coming behind me who didn't know how to do anything but yank the wires.
00:59:28.380 --> 00:59:31.180
Brian Wringer: And so that was a little nerve wracking every time you dove in.
00:59:31.360 --> 00:59:35.140
Brian Wringer: Every time you dive right into turn one, it was on my mind.
00:59:35.760 --> 00:59:36.600
Robin Dean: We got to wrap this up.
00:59:36.620 --> 00:59:38.060
Robin Dean: Anything else anybody wants to say real quick?
00:59:38.060 --> 00:59:44.300
Travis Burleson: I just like to be talking about the guy who blew turn one into the grass the last session of the day.
00:59:44.400 --> 00:59:59.840
Robin Dean: We don't need to because I got a video of Neil making a gorgeous turn and then slowly cinematically panned to that guy sitting in the grass.
01:00:00.200 --> 01:00:03.600
Robin Dean: Neil has just owned the turn.
01:00:04.080 --> 01:00:08.860
Robin Dean: It was a thing of beauty and is going not the way that guy went.
01:00:09.080 --> 01:00:12.320
Robin Dean: And I wanted to make sure the guys and he looked up and he saw me with the camera.
01:00:12.700 --> 01:00:14.800
Neil Sullivan: That was one of the douchebags.
01:00:14.880 --> 01:00:21.480
Neil Sullivan: And the funny thing, he passed me after turn six, just past the silo.
01:00:21.500 --> 01:00:24.020
Neil Sullivan: And I was like, oh, crap, is that one of the douchebags?
01:00:24.200 --> 01:00:27.840
Neil Sullivan: And when he made it down to turn seven, he nailed it.
01:00:28.000 --> 01:00:30.040
Neil Sullivan: I was like, wait, maybe that's not the douchebag.
01:00:30.040 --> 01:00:37.920
Neil Sullivan: And then when he hit turn one and actually didn't turn, I was like, oh, that was the douchebag.
01:00:39.860 --> 01:00:40.660
Travis Burleson: He didn't listen.
01:00:40.740 --> 01:00:45.780
Travis Burleson: Everyone, everyone said last session, dial it back 10%, dial it back last session.
01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:46.180
Travis Burleson: You're tired.
01:00:46.320 --> 01:00:46.620
Travis Burleson: It's hot.
01:00:46.700 --> 01:00:47.420
Travis Burleson: It's a long day.
01:00:47.500 --> 01:00:48.140
Travis Burleson: He didn't listen.
01:00:48.520 --> 01:00:49.640
Travis Burleson: Didn't listen to a lot of things.
01:00:50.600 --> 01:00:51.720
Brian Wringer: Is that a douchebag?
01:00:51.820 --> 01:00:52.080
Brian Wringer: No.
01:00:52.280 --> 01:00:52.520
Brian Wringer: Yes.
01:00:52.600 --> 01:00:52.820
Brian Wringer: No.
01:00:52.960 --> 01:00:54.640
Brian Wringer: Oh, we have in the grass.
01:00:54.820 --> 01:00:55.960
Brian Wringer: Houston, we have douchebag.
01:00:55.960 --> 01:01:02.920
Neil Sullivan: He had his high moment and his low moment within one minute of each other because he nailed seven.
01:01:03.620 --> 01:01:04.860
Robin Dean: Well, maybe he's not a douchebag.
01:01:04.940 --> 01:01:05.960
Robin Dean: Maybe he's narcoleptic.
01:01:06.320 --> 01:01:08.200
Robin Dean: At any rate, everybody good to rock out?
01:01:08.620 --> 01:01:08.900
Travis Burleson: Sure.
01:01:09.420 --> 01:01:12.180
Travis Burleson: I did finish my half liter of high proof beer.
01:01:12.700 --> 01:01:13.840
Robin Dean: Brian, you want to take us out of here?