77: Death - Nicola Bulley

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On the quiet morning of January twenty seventh, twenty twenty three,
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Nicola Bully set out on a routine walk with her
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dog alongside the scenic river Wire in Lancastershire. What began
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as an ordinary day quickly spiraled into a mystery that
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would grip the nation. With Nikola's bone found on the
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riverside bench and her dog nearby, but with no trace
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of her, the search efforts became a race against time.
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I'm Danielle and I'm Megan, and this is off the trails.
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We are in the full swing of December slash holiday chaos.
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We are it's we started to record, well, we set
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our time to record forty six minutes ago, and I've
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gone through two computers, several mics, several sets of headsets,
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several adult tantrums, and here we are starting four to
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six minutes after we intended to.
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And the funny part about that is and now my
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dog And now my dog is barking in the background,
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so I'm really patiing. Is fine? Everything is fine?
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All right? So now that we got through my chaotic
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introduction for the episode, do we have any other business
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or things we want to discussed before we get going.
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I don't believe, so.
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Okay, and our next two episodes are going to be
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mini episodes, correct.
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No, I think I still have a full length one
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and then the last two are minis.
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You are correct, all right? Some month's going by so
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fast it is, so today we're heading to Lancashire, England. Okay,
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fun have we done any cases in England yet?
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I believe the only time we've mentioned it is in
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one of our Sunday Scary episodes when we talked about
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the Bolton Strid.
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With the little man jumping over the.
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Don't even start. If you want to get through this episode.
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Do not put that image in my head. Once they
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start laughing, I can't stop.
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All right. So the River Wire is a picturesque waterway
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kind of like what I pictured, what you described in
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that episode, and it is a tidal river flowing approximately
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twenty eight miles or forty five kilometers from its source
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in the forests of Poland, and then it ends up
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in an estuary and and Irish Sea. Eventually it passes
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through charming little villages, including Saint Michael's on Wire and
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there is also a long distance footpath and nearby reserves
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like Fleetwood marsh make the river like a popular destination
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for walking and outdoor enthusiasts, So that's where we're heading today.
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Kind of just a nice area among neighborhoods and villages.
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On the morning of January twenty seventh, twenty twenty three,
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so just just under two.
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Years ago, this is recent.
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It is just before eight thirty am, Nicola or she
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went by Niki Bully, left her home with her two
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daughters to drop them off at school. After drop off,
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she briefly chatted with another parent before heading to the
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riverside path near River Wire with her dog Willow. Around
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eight point fifty someone who knew Nikki was also walking
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their dog and they spotted her on the path. And
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this apparently was kind of like a working walk for
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her because at eight fifty three she sent an email
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to her boss. Then just before nine o'clock, she messaged
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a friend before jumping on a team's call at nine
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oh one. So, unlike a lot of the cases we cover,
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there's a very specific and tight timeline leading up to
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her disappearance.
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Yeah, that must be helpful in what I'm assuming will
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be a coming investigation.
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It's interesting, it's not really helpful despite being like so
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so specific.
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Well, damn, it's funny.
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Not funny, but it's interesting. How you know, we've covered
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cases where there are literally days unknown activity prior to
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someone going missing, and we have minute by minute and
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it's like the same outcome. Nobody knows. So after she
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logged into that call at nine oh one, her video
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and microphone were off and they remained that way throughout
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the call. So she was logging in and just there
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to lurk. That's what I call that when I when
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I do.
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That, I was gonna say, we've all been there in
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those meetings. Camera off, mike off.
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Hope, nobody addresses me specifically. At nine to ten, another
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person walking along the path spotted her, and this is
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believed to be the last confirmed sighting of her. Although
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the team's call ended at nine thirty, her phone actually
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stayed connected.
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Beyond that, her phone stayed connected to that meeting. Correct, okay.
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Her partner Paul noticed around nine thirty that Nikki hadn't
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returned as she usual would have by that time. Initially,
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he wasn't concerned, assuming she must have run into somebody
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and stopped for you know, just a longer chat than usual.
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At nine thirty three, though, another person who was out
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with their dog came across Nicki's phone, which was placed
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on a bench by the river. The dog's harness was
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on the ground between the bench and the river, and
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Willow was by the river. She was dry, but alone
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and appeared distressed.
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Whoa yep.
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So by ten thirty Paul began to worry because he
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knew that Nicky had a meeting at eleven. So even
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if she had run into somebody and ended up chatting longer,
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or ran an error or something, it's now ten thirty.
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He knows that she's got some at eleven o'clock, so
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he's starting to be concerned. So that's when he started
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trying to get in touch with her and was unsuccessful. Strangely,
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her phone ended up at the children's school. I'm not
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sure how that happened. I don't know if that person
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who found the phone at nine thirty three brought it
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to the school. I don't know if they went into
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the phone and saw it was a local parent. I'm
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not sure what the scenario was, but somehow it ended
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up at the children's school, and then the school ended
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up calling Paul to inform him that both the phone
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and the dog Willow had been found, but there had
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been no sign of Niki.
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So someone dropped the phone off at the school. M hmm,
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what about the dog? Where did Willow end up?
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I don't know. It didn't specifically say, but I'm assuming
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I'm assuming the dog went with went to the school.
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I don't know. I just thought it was strange that
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the phone ended up at the school, or that the
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school was the one calling about the phone. Yeah, I agree,
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But I'm also not sure if the person who found
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the phone and the dog doing the same thing, like
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they had dropped their kids off and then they take
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the dog for a walk and you know, maybe it's
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like their routine and they typically saw me as well.
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You know, I'm not sure. Despite the detailed timeline of
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her movements that morning, it's unclear what immediate actions were
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taken on that first day to search for her. I'm
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sure searching was done, but I was unable to find
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any detailed information about any searching that was done before
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January twenty eighth, so she was reported missing. I did
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listen to the initial Uh is it nine ninety nine
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in the UK?
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Maybe confirm that?
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Yeah, I think nine nine nine and yeah, so she
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was reported missing and obviously you know things were set
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in motion, so.
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You are correct. Just to confirm for all of our listeners,
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the UK's main emergency phone number is in fact nine
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nine nine.
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Thank you. So on the twenty eighth, that's when the
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Lancashire constablary I always feel like these English words have
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like too many syllables for me to say properly.
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Some of them are tongue twisters.
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They are launched a major search trinicky. They used drone,
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helicopter search dogs. They were also supported by the Lancashire
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Fire and Rescue Service, the Boland Mountain Rescue Team and
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the Northwest Underwater Search Team. Then on the twenty ninth,
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about one hundred volunteers from the area join the search.
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On the thirtieth, police said that they were keeping an
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open mind about what may have happened, but they didn't
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I believe Nikki's disappearance was suspicious. Essentially, they didn't believe
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any foul play or a third party was involved. At
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that point, they were continuing to look for any eyewitnesses
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who may have been in the area that morning, and
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they were just following up on any leads that were
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coming in. Underwater search teams were focusing heavily on the
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area around the bench where her phone and the dog
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were found, and in this area it's the river isn't
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very wide, but there is a little bit of a
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steep slope going into the river. But from what I read,
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typically the river isn't very deep either, usually running about
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like three feet deep in this stretch, but they're had
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been a lot of rain in December and January, so
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it may have been a little bit deeper. The thinking
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also was because there's quite a lot of raw in
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this river, that if there was a body in the river,
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they were kind of expecting it to get caught up
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and not travel quickly to the sea.
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At least did they say anything about the temperature of
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the water being a concern or the strength of the current.
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I didn't see anything specific noted about either. I mean,
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I think it was cold, right, but I didn't see
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anything really specific about current. I did see some video,
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and there is obviously a flow to the river. It
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is a tidal river, but I wouldn't classify it as
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like a rushing river necessarily. But there is a pole,
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there is a pull to it by February third, police
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publicly stated their belief that Nikki had likely fallen into
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the river, and given the heavy focus of the search
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on the river from the beginning, it seems to me
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at least this would have and their working theory all along. However,
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the official announcement might have been intended to just provide
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clarity to the public and to the media, just ensuring
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that everybody understood the direction of the investigation, because speculation
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and accusations had already been starting to fly in this case,
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and at this point the family sort of disagreed that
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that was the situation. You know, they were still holding
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out hope that you know, she had not gone into
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the water, and were asking people to still keep an
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eye out for her. In a lot of the cases
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we've covered, we've talked about a lot of the positive
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ways that social media can help in these searches, you know,
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spreading the word about missing people, rallying volunteers, raising funds
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for either the search effort or medical expenses, even helping
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families cover ultimately, you know, funeral costs, which without social media,
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a lot of those things would not be possible. However,
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as we know, social media also has a much darker side,
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which sadly did play a big part in this case.
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Oh man, Okay.
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From the start, alongside traditional media coverage, theories surrounding Nicky's
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disappearance began trending on Google and TikTok and wherever else
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pretty much immediately. This case just really caught people's attention,
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like across England in real time. I kind of.
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Picture it similar to how Gabby Patito's case kind of
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really resonated with people here and people really got very
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invested in her search for her case.
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Yeah, people were extremely intrigued with her case and just
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chomping at the bit for the next development.
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Yeah. Through the power of the Internet, people with just
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no personal connection to either of those women were able
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to get deeply invested in their stories and research their backstories,
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and find their social media and really involved themselves in
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these women's lives in a way that prior to social
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media never would have happened. In Nikki's case, the online
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activity just quickly spiraled and beyond the usual trolls, amateur
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sleuths began digging into her personal life and that of
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her family, while they were also just really scrutinizing every
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action taken by law enforcement during the investigation and search.
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Which not saying that scrutinizing law enforcement is a bad thing,
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but I think it does pack or can impact the
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active investigation.
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Right.
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Just think about trying to type your password in if
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your boss is standing behind you. You can't do it.
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Try and format an Excel file with somebody watching you,
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you can't do it. Stressful good examples, you know, totally
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same level as Surgic furmasing person. The location where her
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phone and dog were found turned into almost a tourist attraction,
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with people visiting to take photos and like create videos
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for themselves. Some people were even as terrible to go
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and exploit hashtags or video titles like Nicola Bully found
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just in an attempt to go viral, because rible. That's
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you know, people were keeping an eye out for that
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or looking for that, or put a Google alert for
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those things, and you put that in your video and
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now people are going to see it.
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Yeah.
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Escalated so much that police ended up having to issue
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a dispersal order to just manage the number of visitors
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using like visitors to the area. And this is all
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just while Nikki is still missing. It's one thing for
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certain locations to become kind of like a morbid tourist
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destination over time. But this is during an act of
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search and investigation. Just I don't know, it just makes
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the behavior, particularly in foretastes in my opinion anyway.
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let them do their jobs, because right now you are
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taking them and those resources from the investigation because they
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are trying to control these people who are so fixated
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on the case and going to that location and just
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taking things a little too far in there when it
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comes to their interest in the case.
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Yeah. Definitely, Internet slothing and social media involvement in these
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high profile cases have serious consequences in any type of case.
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It makes investigations and searching just more complicated or they
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take longer, and in situations where foul play or criminal
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activity is involved and these people are just interjecting themselves,
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it really can screw up the legal process. And then
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of course then you have misinformation rumors, the conspiracy theories
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that just spread so quickly online, and depending on the
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type of investigation, a lot of those leads have to
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be followed up on, and when they're fake, it's just
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a huge waste of time. Yeah, and unfortunately a lot
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of times people share information that they know is not true.
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You know, another negative aspect of social media in these
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situations is people are put on trial by public opinion
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despite their not being legal evidence. And that's what happened
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to Nicky's partner, Paul. I think we all know the
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common saying in the true crime space, the husband did it.
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And yes, statistically you are most likely to be killed
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by your partner versus a stranger or some other type
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of relationship, but that statistic alone doesn't stand as evidence.
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Right, And unfortunately, some people take their speculation too far
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and it becomes just blatantly accusing someone of something and
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where they don't have any evidence to back that up.
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this is when it's like, let the investigators do their jobs.
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Yeah. But despite continued daily searches of the river and
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the fact that police were still saying that they didn't
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believe i wul Play was involved and that they were
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continuing to investigate the slim possibility that she may have
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left the area on foot unseen, people felt certain that
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Paul had killed her. So beyond people just theorizing that
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he caused her disappearance. People were actually sending Paul threatening
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and just horrible messages. They were reaching out to him,
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and these people totally harassing him and threatening him. And
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these were people that did not know Nicki, did not
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know Paul, had no connection to their family in any way,
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just total strangers taking it.
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Way too, way too far.
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On February fifteenth, police stated that social media and people
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playing detect sims both hurt Nicki's family and the investigation.
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They also mentioned that Nicki was considered a person with
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specific vulnerabilities, which only added to the speculation fire. So
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they later tried to clarify things and said that what
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they had meant was back in January, the police and
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health professionals had been called to the house due to
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concerns related to alcohol and menopause. So I think the
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implication was that maybe she had been leaning a little
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too heavily on drinking to deal with Perry or menopause symptoms.
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But they're very strange details to share if you're trying,
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especially if you're trying to stop people from making wild
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speculation and accusations, to share that information. It's just enough
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information to I think continue speculation, but just it gives
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people new things to speculate about. I don't know. I
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just thought it's very strange.
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Yeah, it's a it's very odd information to disclose.
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Yeah, and typically health information isn't disclosed unless it's going
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to create a like a variance from typical lost person behavior.
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You know, if somebody has dementia or if someone has autism,
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something of that nature, where if you're searching for somebody
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and their behavior might be different than expectations, or if
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or if they're trying to create a sense of urgency,
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like someone is insulin dependent or they have seizures and
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you know, without their medication, reaching out to the public
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for help or something like that. But I don't I
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don't know what the intent behind sharing that inform. Yeah,
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I don't know.
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I agree, And I don't know if it's.
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One of those things where like you have pressure from
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like all angles and you're feeling flowed us and you
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just say something and you're like, I don't know why
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I said that, but like on a professional level in
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a press conference, I don't know.
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Just like you got to give us something like, well,
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she was going through menopause, has the metopause, she had
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the menopause, Like what is why did I say that?
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Right?
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How did I share that?
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And I know that right? And I don't know if
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if the information makes more sense to people who live
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in the UK, you know obviously, like just because we
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speak English, I sometimes you think like, oh, like Canada
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and the UK Australia, like we speak English, I know
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what it's like to live there. We don't. There are
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nuanced things and cultural things that we don't get. So
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I don't know if there's more nuanced information to them
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disclosing that information that I just don't get or or not.
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I don't know, or if everybody was like it was
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just weird. On February nineteenth, a couple walking their dog
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discovered Nicolo Bully's body near a fallen tree in the
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river wire approximately one mile or one point six kilometers
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downstream from Saint Michael's on wire.
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And that's where she went in or that's where they is.
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It was about a mile downstream from where they found
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her phone and Willow m hm. Weird. Feels like that
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would have done within the search radius.
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It definitely was. The police quickly recovered the body from
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the reads and undergrowth. While police were working in the area,
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some random people climbed over a fence pretending to be journalists,
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which I think even journalists you're not allowed to just
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climb over fence to do what they were doing. And
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they were taking photographs and videos of them removing the
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body from the river. So oh my god. Yeah, so
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one person ended up being arrested later. So people, this
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was just like a media frenzy this case.
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The following day, February twentieth, Lancashire Constant Hilary confirmed that
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the body was Nikki's and they had used her dental
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records to make the identification. The cause of death was
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not immediately determined, and a coroner's inquest was open on
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June twenty sixth. The ink quest revealed that data from
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her fitbit indicated she likely entered the water at nine
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twenty two. Unfortunately, that fitbit hadn't backed up or synced
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to her phone since the prior day to her disappearance,
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so that's why that wasn't any help to investigators until
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the fitbit itself was found, and the inquest concluded that
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her death was an accidental drowning, with no evidence suggesting
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that she had been harmed before entering the water, or
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that she had entered the water intentionally. Everything indicated that
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it really was just some type of accident. The police
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were criticized for releasing the comments about Nikki's health and
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the alcohol use. Many people did see the comments as
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sexist because just why and if the information was truly
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key in helping to find her, the information should have
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been shared in the very early days of the investigation.
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And to your point about that area being within the
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search radius, there was so much scrutiny and critical commentary
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about the fact that it was so close to what
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they believed was the initial entry point to be there.
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I think that scrutiny was warranted because there was They
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spent a lot of time searching. There was a lot
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of search teams, and I'm not saying that they weren't
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doing their job. I think people definitely weren't doing their job.
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But I think the point of scrutiny in this situation
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is to look at say like, hey, can we do
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something better, look at it constructively, can we do something
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differently next time, or how can we change things to
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improve our process? Because so there was never a question,
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there was never a question.
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That they searched that area when her body was not there,
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and then her body ended up there after the fact,
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or they just it was just a really bad oversight
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and they should have seen they should have found her
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body there.
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I didn't read anything that indicated that there was concern
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that perhaps there was third party involvement and her body
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had been dumped in the river after the area had
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initially been searched, if that's what you're asking. So I
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did see a comment that these search teams were looking
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in the water and where her body was found was
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like kind of like up on the side of the bank,
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a little bit like in the reeds. So although I
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feel like searching along the river bank would fall within
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the searching of the river, in my opinion, the comment
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was kind of like, well, we were searching in the water,
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and she wasn't found in the water.
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Like they didn't walk search dogs or cadaver dogs up
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and down the banks or both sides of the banks,
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like at least a mile down the river.
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They had search dogs. So I don't know if it
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was one of the situations where body was caught somewhere
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and then later ended up there and that's why the
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dogs missed it visually. It was missed because they did
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have drones and helicopters the first couple of days.
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In October of twenty twenty four, a documentary was released
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on BBC one, which I couldn't find any way to
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access because we're outside the UK. I was even going
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to be willing to pay for a month of some
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sort of streaming to be able to watch it, and
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I couldn't get it. So if somebody knows how to
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get it, let me know. But I couldn't figure it out. Oh,
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and the documentary focuses on her family, and her family
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just expressed how difficult it was to be at the
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center of all that attention and for Paul to be
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the target of those false accusations. This was the worst
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time of their lives, and Paul was trying to cope,
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and he was trying to take care of their two
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small kids, and there were just strangers that were harassing
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him and essentially just out to get him that whole time.
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Viewers criticized the documentary for spending too much time discussing
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the armchair detectives and the social media frenzy, which I
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think is funny because it's probably the same pool.
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Of people exactly.
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Like, Yeah, we didn't like being called out, and we
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both do this podcast because it's something we enjoy. But
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we know that behind every headline there are real people, victims,
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their families, and the communities, some of which, no matter
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how long ago the incident happened, these people may still
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be grieving or dealing with the aftermath. Yeah, so we
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really do try and handle these stories respond possibly try
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and prioritize accuracy by finding credible sources. If we can't
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fact check something, we either don't include it or we
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make it clear that we weren't able to verify. You know,
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I think we both do that. We're like, I tried
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to find this out but we couldn't find it, but
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I'm going to share it, but just know that we
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couldn't verify it. And then if something is our opinion
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or our personal theory, we always make that clear as well.
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We're mindful of the language we use, refraining from unnecessary
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graphic details to inform rather than exploit or sensationalize.
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Yeah, for these cases and episodes involving tragedies, we really
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try and focus on promoting safety and awareness whenever possible.
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And I also try and go beyond just retelling the
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event and try and look for other takeaways from the story.
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Like today's story, Nicky had a simple accident during an
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everyday activity. But the bigger takeaway I think is just
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a reminder of how our words online really can impact others.
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You know, jumping into chat forums or groups can be fun,
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but it's just a good reminder to remember that anybody,
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even victims' families, could read your words, so just be
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mindful of that. Obviously, a lot of the people that
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were harassing Paul and reaching out to Nicky's extended family,
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they were doing way more than jumping into a Reddit
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forum and having some discussions on theories.
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But yeah, things to.
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Keep in mind just in other situations. Talking through theories
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I think is always going to be part of our
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discussions here, but I hope that we do always approach
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it respectfully and you know, from a place of curiosity
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and interest and not out of just speculation. And it's
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off the cuff commentary, right. So that is the story
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of Nicola Bully, and unfortunately it was just one of
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those incidents that you can't predict, which resulted in someone
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losing their life. And two young girls losing their mom
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and someone losing their partner daughter family.
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And I'm looking at pictures of the area where her
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phone was found on that bench, and it does it
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just looks like a really quiet river. It's not. It
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doesn't look aggressive or exceptionally big. So it's just really
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sad to think that there must have just been some
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sort of misstep or you know, she slipped in or
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got too close to the bank, and I don't know
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what happened. We don't know what happened, obviously, but yeah,
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it's very sad.
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And I think, and I do wonder if part of
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the reason that people were so drawn to this case
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is that it was such an everyday activity where she
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went missing. You know, people literally walk their dogs in
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their neighborhood every day. And I think sometimes I think
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sometimes you don't want to believe that a simple accident
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can occur like that. You know, you want it to
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be something else. You want there to be something to blame,
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something that is a one in a thousand chants, or
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one in a probably more than one in a thousand,
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one in one hundred thousand chants of something happening, or
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one in a million chants. You don't want to think like, oh, well,
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she just slipped, because that could be any one of us.
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It could be. And I do just want to say
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regarding the people who filmed the recovery of her, there
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is a headline that says TikTok Ghoul, who filmed police
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recovering Nicola Bully's body, says he's learned his lesson, but
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calling him a TikTok ghoul.
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I mean, mm hmmm, it's it's fitting, it is, and
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I think that there is and I don't know if
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this is this same person or if it was somebody different,
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but there was also somebody I think on YouTube and
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he like also filmed himself getting like fined for doing
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some of this stuff. And it's like, wow, no lessons
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learned to her, No lessons's learned.
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Just looking for the attention.
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Mm hmm.
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Wow. Well that's a tragic accident story that I wasn't
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familiar with. And you can just see when you type
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in her name into Google all of the different articles
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that were clearly obsessively like following this case, so it
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had a lot of eyes and ears on it.
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Yeah, it definitely did. This is probably the first case
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that I've researched that I haven't combed through every piece
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of source material out there. Typically, any article that is
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available I am browsing through. But this case had just
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so much out there. So if anybody's interested in learning more,
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there is just an enormous amount of information out there.
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I think people were probably wanting some outlandish story to
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unfold as to what happened to her. But you know,
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as you said, it was as unassuming as going for
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a walk with your dog and something happening.
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Yeah, unfortunately, Yeah, all right, Well until next week, stay safe,