683: Website Speedrun

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Hello, friends, and welcome back to your weekly Linux talk show. My name is Chris.
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My name is Wes.
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And my name is Brent.
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Hello, gentlemen. Coming up on the show today, we're going to take a look at
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a handy tool that Brent's been
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using to crank out a great-looking static site in really just minutes.
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How it works, what it does, and why we're starting to like it.
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Then we're going to round out the show with some great boosts,
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some really great picks, and a lot more. So before we get to that,
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All right, boys, I've been doing the math three ways, checking my list,
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checking it twice. So that's a lot, math and list.
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And I just don't see it feasible for the crew to make it down to Texas Linux
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Fest this year. I hate to say it.
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I really hate to say it because we love Texas Linux Fest.
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We sure do.
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But the funding is getting tighter, right? Because energy costs are up and housing costs are up.
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And so even though we could maybe afford a flight, we couldn't afford anything else about it.
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And that's really just the reality of it. It's very expensive.
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And there also really isn't any great economic incentive for a sponsor to send
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us because it's kind of expensive to send us down to cover an event.
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And there's not a direct return for them. It's not like we're going to spend
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the entire time talking about them. We would plug them, but we wouldn't spend the entire time.
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And really where it does make economic sense is for the events to send us,
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but they don't A, have the budget and B, they don't have people that are organizing
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sponsors to bring us because, you know, we kind of bring publicity for the show, for the events.
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So there's just not really any way to make it work as far as I can tell.
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And it doesn't feel like the right time to go to you, the audience,
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and ask for the money either. I think everybody's feeling tight these days.
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And it just doesn't feel like the right time to say, hey, send us to Texas Linux
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Fest. And it's really kind of makes me a little sad, not because we can't ask, but because...
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It's like if a tree falls in the forest, in a sense. Texas Linux Fest is special.
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It's very special to the Linux community in the sense that very few tech communities
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have these types of grassroots events still.
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But nobody really covers them. And once the weekend is over,
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it can kind of feel like it just never really happened to the rest of the world.
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Which is sort of the hard part about it.
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Yeah. Yeah, it's easy. If you weren't there, you didn't make the connections,
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you didn't see that one random talk you didn't expect to.
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You don't know that these things are kind of important. Yeah.
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Yeah, and plus there's always something brewing at Texas Linux Fest that ends
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up being really good for us to learn about.
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Oh, for sure.
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Great connections, too. But the economics are what they are,
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and I wanted to say it now because if you're planning to go,
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I just wanted to let you know that it doesn't seem like we're going to be able to make it.
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We think it's a great event, and we think you should go. And if we could make
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it, we absolutely would go.
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But that's just sort of the state of it right now. And I don't want anybody
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making plans thinking we're going to be there and then show up, and we're not there.
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so i wanted to let you know that's currently our intention is we'll try to cover as we can.
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But uh also just a quick shout out to listener big cookie.
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Big cook.
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Who sent us uh some delicious cookies.
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Oh yeah i put that in the feedback but i agree that was we should grab them
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i well we'll grab them for the no no we get it go good go ahead i was gonna
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say we'll grab it for the feedback yeah we've been snacking on cookies and one
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of them brent is a maple shortbread cookie oh Ooh.
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Yeah. That one's for me, right?
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Well, it might have been. We still have a lot of the classic Hermit ones because
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the kids came and they kind of like locusts came in and ate them all.
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It's a really nicely packaged, made right there in Vermont.
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Yeah, covered bridge cookies.
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Big Cook sent them to us and they're just delicious. Just absolutely delicious.
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So thank you very much. That was a nice treat. We got them after the show last
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Sunday and we really enjoyed them. It was a great post-show snack, as it were.
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You know what? Probably be this week's post-show snack, too.
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All right. So, Brentley, you sat down to build a website this week,
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and I can only imagine you must have started it.
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I mean, you must have started at what you had built in the past and tried to
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decide if that was the way to go. Take us there, Brentley. Tell us, tell us about it.
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Well, once upon a time, I woke up and built my website, and that was one day
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in 2012. And for some reason, I never planned this.
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It's just like, what today?
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Wow.
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Yeah, 2012. And I was super proud of this thing. It was meant to be like my
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main photography portfolio website, and that it did.
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So I took, I don't know, a whole day to build this thing and I worked on it
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for weeks after that and kept updating it and stuff like that.
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But it was built on WordPress, of course. That was like the modern stuff at the time.
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And it was kind of cool back then. I had a responsive theme,
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so it looked good on mobile and everything. And that was the big thing back
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then, right? And really cool photo galleries that showcased.
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Just plugging away, you know, plugging a photo gallery. You got a photo gallery.
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Yeah and like super high quality too if you wanted it there were ways of getting
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like you know the high res stuff for anybody who had a decent internet connection or whatever.
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It's really hard for my like this is all true it's just really hard for my brain to get it's been so.
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Long that i spent.
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With wordpress solely as like legacy.
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Yeah but you're right.
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I mean it was it really opened up a lot of and you could sell easy self-hosting
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yeah it sort of changed the activation potential for even having a website.
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Yeah what was really attractive to me was that um,
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i guess wordpress allowed you to take control of your own website right it was
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the thing that felt like everyday users could just build something really cool yeah
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and being a little bit more technical of course i could host it at like some
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shared hosting and have it be reasonably fast you know and,
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enough security in place that it wasn't you know i wasn't getting totally swamped
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with yep bots and stuff like that.
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And then years later too as it kind of went on like there was like optimization plugins you could.
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Do to.
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Make sure it was like cached and you know all the things you would do to a wordpress
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site to try to make it faster reprocess your images yeah yeah.
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Yeah right yeah yeah and so like that was pretty cool back then but it turns
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out i haven't changed that website uh since then,
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and uh it's not so cool anymore so uh the other thing is i don't really do photography
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these days and it's been a while gents uh quite a while so for me this website
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was just getting stale uh,
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and wasn't serving me really any purpose if anything it was confusing folks
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that like associated that url with me because they would go there and be like hmm,
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he never talks about photography anymore this doesn't make any sense,
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So this week, I woke up, and for some reason, I felt very motivated to make a website.
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So I thought, geez, I'm going to tackle this to-do I've had on my list for the
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last, what, four years or a long time anyways. And it turns out I did.
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Made myself a new website. And it was way easier than it was back then. Took way less time.
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When I get those kinds of inspirations, I do try to act on them because if I
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wait like a week, it'll fade and it won't really be did you have that?
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So you kind of almost it's like an artificial time box in a way but it's still an important time box.
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And there's something about the spark too right where you're like okay right
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now this doesn't feel like a project it's not a big task I want to do it I can just do it right now.
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Yeah.
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Whatever I ate that morning just inspired me you know.
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I'm gonna bet that you probably consider going Hugo out of the gate just because
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you have experience with it from working with the community to build the new JB.com.
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Yeah definitely When we built the new JB website, I had on my list to build myself a new website.
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And we had a bunch of amazing community members help us build this website with some really cool tech.
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And static websites seemed like kind of amazing and was new to me.
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So I went into the project thinking, yeah, okay, I'm going to use Hugo because
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I had such a good experience with it, building our website with the community.
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and um it's simple enough that like i don't,
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i could just edit the markdown whenever i feel like it and that's all i need,
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right so that's what i went into this project thinking i was going to choose
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but like vastly simplified from our website because i don't need,
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you know all the features that we have i don't even need a menu or anything
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i was picturing just a landing page.
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The other thing if i were building a personal site today and i'm wondering if
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you thought about this you probably We did.
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I don't think I'd want to go through the expense or hassle of setting up a VPS
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with a database and Nginx.
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So did you think about how to host it too?
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Well, I knew that a lot of people use just static site hosters.
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Like, I guess GitHub does their pages and Cloudflare has some.
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And, you know, a bunch of these are popping up all over.
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So you did consider it. You don't have to tell me what you did yet,
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but I'm curious if you considered it.
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100%. I knew I wanted to do this because I'm spending, I don't know what it
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is, like $150 a month for mail and hosting of my current website,
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which doesn't serve me, you know?
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Yeah, okay, that's a bit much.
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This is a complete waste of money. What am I doing?
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We should be doing more with that box is what I'm hearing.
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Well, exactly right. And so I knew I wanted to not do that.
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And I knew I needed just a really simple website that didn't,
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you know, I didn't need to host photos and all this media or stuff anymore.
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So as simple as possible was my goal.
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And turns out you can go extremely simple these days and it's still really quite effective.
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You know, back in 2012 that you'd have to write an HTML page or something like
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that. So I knew I wanted it to be hosted as simply as possible.
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Okay. All right. So you didn't go with Hugo. I'm hearing the but in the sentence.
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You didn't go with Hugo. So tell us where you did end up. Yeah.
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Well, I started with some explorations. Like, I...
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Well, okay, I'm going to be honest. I used the robot to help me and I used the
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heck out of DeepSeq V4 Flash, but to do some explorations.
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Like literally the opening question was, hey, I think I want to build a website
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with Hugo. Should I? And what are the alternatives?
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because like I have an idea maybe it's the wrong idea right if uh if someone
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definitely knows better than I do so um,
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it turns out even compared to when we did the website a couple years ago there
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are new alternatives that are really really cool that are kind of in the same
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ballpark so the one that kind of caught my eye was Zola,
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and uh one of the main reasons it caught my eye was that it's written in rust of course.
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Oh it is is.
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It uh-huh all right well.
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If you if you hold on do you would you like it.
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I would i vote very much.
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There you go.
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Ah see it just feels like success.
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So Zola.
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Yeah, Zola, which, you know, is a fast static site generator written in Rust,
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they say. I was like, that seems really simple and exactly what I need.
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But the benefit of using a little bit of AI to help here was that I was like,
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well, compare these for me.
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And let's write a little snippet because I want the simplest website to maintain
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as possible and to edit as possible. I was like, give me a markdown file,
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and that's basically all I want to do.
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And so I had to make some snippets side by side.
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Let me compare them. And Zola was just simpler. I don't know.
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It just felt better. And the technology seemed good.
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And the author wrote a note that I thought was really important.
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because they said, I wrote Zola and,
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its Terra engine from an intense dislike of the insane Golang template engine
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and therefore of Hugo that I was using before for about six plus websites.
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I mean, sometimes you need a muse, a motivation.
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Development by spite goes a long way.
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And that quote alone made me go, hmm, all right, I'm going to try something
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new then. We'll see how this goes. Turns out it went pretty well.
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All right. So Zola, Z-O-L-A, and you can find it at getzola.org.
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When I looked at it, a couple of things jumped out at me that seemed like you're
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obviously going to like.
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Obviously the markdown stuff. But it looks like the actual...
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I don't know, size of it is pretty small. You could get down to a single executable
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to build the entire website if you want. I have to imagine that simplicity also spoke to you.
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Yes, and it was available in Nix packages, which also deeply spoke to me,
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because it meant I could just try it without really needing to install anything like that.
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It's such a beautiful... Nix OS is such a beautiful thing.
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It's packaged for several distros, yeah.
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Sure, and I think that's great. But for me, it was like a zero setup trial to
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just give this a shot. Right.
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Yeah. Well, if it's, if it's one executable, you can really just run it on anything.
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And I was building this from my cabin, uh, on the other side of a river in like,
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you know, Northern Ontario over a cell connection.
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or anything like that so it helped that it was teeny tiny and i have to say,
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it was super fast like insanely fast.
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Tara you mentioned tara is that like an end a rendering engine that zola uses
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Well it's all rust.
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That's all rust.
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the style of other popular template engines like Jinja and Django's templates.
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kinds of styles and all that kind of stuff.
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but you have Markdown or maybe Toml at the front matter of your Markdown.
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into the actual form. And so the template is the thing that sort of binds those
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and abstracts that together so that you can have one template that knows how
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to render a blog post or a, you know, resume site or whatever.
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files, feeds them to the right templates, gets HTML out, and then you're done.
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Okay. But Brent, this simplicity that Zola offers, it must come at the cost
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of some features that Hugo has that Zola doesn't have?
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And I mean, yes, I needed so few features actually that that worked in my favor.
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Sure. That often is the case. Like if you just want a quick dashboard,
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I was actually thinking like, I just, I could use Zola to get myself just like
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reports, just render my, you know, cause right now I'm getting them in Markdown. Why not?
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True. Yeah. Make them pretty.
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So Zola and Hugo are like super similar, which is why I think I felt,
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comfortable trying something brand new um because it was like well like i already
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know the concept of these static site generators so both are really fast at compiling static sites,
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that's great uh hugo's written in go and zola of course is in rust and uh but
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there's that bigger philosophical difference in the templating so zola's got tara as wes mentioned.
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Menus i'm i think one of the things i remember reading is like hugo has support
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for menus and zola doesn't have support for menus.
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and it's well-known, it's battle-tested themes.
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I guess for the show, we don't use that. We want to use something crazy,
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right? And that's your fault. So thanks, Chris.
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I don't know. I mean, it's like if you need a corporate website with certain
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menu navigations and community built things, then Hugo might be the right answer.
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a link list just for our start page, Zola is perfect in its simplicity and it's really its speed.
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I think that shows up too, where it sort of has a little, like you don't need,
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it has fewer concepts and you don't need as much to get started necessarily,
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right? Like you might just need one global config file and then like a directory
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tree and then you can have a website.
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Yeah. Also kind of timely because Zola 0.23 was released in August,
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September as we record right now.
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the developers describe it as one of the most big, large, breaking changes of
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Zola that they'll ever have,
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they moved to Terra 2 the shortcode system was also removed,
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and markdown content was promoted to more first class,
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so like kind of just went through the transitions you needed,
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Brent to be the tool that you needed last month.
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Like I didn't notice any of this so it's all completely by chance You know,
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had I been on the other side of that transition, maybe I would have been really
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angry, but this is somewhere for me.
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It is nice to be on this side. Like, okay, well, clearly they're still investing.
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This is the new shiny version.
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I'll just learn the new API. Yes, yes, exactly. All right. So with that in mind,
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I'm curious to hear what you built.
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All right so i woke up that morning feeling very website-ish and i think i should
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describe how this all went for me uh i described what i wanted and what i found,
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but the process was just like kind of amazing because like i mentioned i teamed
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up with deep seek v4 flash which is super fast super cheap and totally understands
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this stuff uh which is great and I,
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suggested that it just like, go find public information about me.
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There's tons, like take the JB website, I don't know, go scrape LinkedIn or
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something and certainly go take the stuff off my old website.
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and compile it into something that looks nice, right? Like, I could do that, but I want you to do it.
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You just told the bot, hey, do you know who you're working with here?
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Yeah, I'm kind of a big deal. Go look me up on the internet.
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This is an ego-based project that I'm going to need you to get this way.
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Well, isn't that what a website is?
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I mean...
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Also make me look good, no mistakes.
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What was nice, though, is that it just, like, compiled all those things into
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a few different options that I could put on this one landing page.
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It successfully e-stocked you, is what you've just demonstrated.
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Yeah, yeah, 100%.
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See, I noticed he shared the ultimate thing that he built with us.
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He didn't share this part of it.
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No, I didn't.
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There's no brent.json that was shared.
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And for all we know, he's doing the same thing on us, and keeping dossiers now,
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or something with his buddy Deep Freak over there.
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Yeah, your website will be ready tomorrow. That's fine.
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Oh, thank you. Thank you. Okay. Interesting, okay.
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Because this is such a fast and efficient,
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static site generator it like when you make changes to like i was primarily
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making changes to the content itself so it was just a markdown file,
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and i would hit save and almost immediately it would get updated in the browser
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so like the time that's nice at which you could see the result of what you were
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doing it was instant basically,
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And that is not the experience that you have with WordPress,
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if you remember how that goes.
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The whole WordPress experience that I had previous to building this website
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was like, add a thing, wait a really long time for the page to load, and then,
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go to the actual website and refresh it, and then wait for that to load.
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Make sure your browser didn't cache it, make sure the performance optimizing
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extension you use doesn't have cache, and then maybe you need to go back into
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the admin dashboard and clear that one.
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Then clear your browser cache, then refresh the page.
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Oh, you probably have a Clash Clearing plugin that you have to go hit if it wasn't wired up right.
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You've got to do this often, so...
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It describes exactly the process I would go through every time I would change
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my WordPress website, which is why I stopped changing it, because it was such a terrible experience.
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That's why. I love it. I thought it was because you lost it in all your tabs.
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Well, you know, sometimes. So I found that live editing was really nice.
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And because I was on such a terrible internet connection,
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building everything locally before I deployed it to the actual website was beautiful
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because it was like as fast as it possibly could be.
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Didn't need the internet really at all. And it was instant. Yeah.
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I don't know. It was even better than I had imagined this process would go,
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which I'm glad because had it gone worse, maybe we wouldn't be making a show
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because it wouldn't be done.
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But the process, like Zola worked so well that the hardest part of the process
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of making the website for me wasn't the new technology I was trying.
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It was the terrible network I was using.
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So, yeah, sure.
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Like i i thought it was probably a good idea to like archive my old website
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and that took freaking forever also because oh sure it's wordpress you got to
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click through stuff images and,
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well exactly and so that was actually the most frustrating part of the whole
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thing was like everything that wasn't the new website,
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right like the downloading of archiving stuff and The technical debt.
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Yeah, exactly. So I ended up deciding to deploy it with GitHub Pages because,
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it was super simple. I know it's battle-tested.
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Another option was Cloudflare Pages, and you can host this. It's such a simple
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website. You can host it any way you want.
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But that got me up and running almost immediately. And I have to say,
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when I switched the DNS to it, it was instant as well.
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Oh, nice.
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And yeah, so it was like in a very short amount of time, in quite a time-blocked
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session, I went from start to finish with a technology that was totally new
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to me and with a result that I'm pretty happy with.
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And now you don't have to pay for that VPS eventually.
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Yeah, exactly. Someone remind me to cancel that.
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And it produces a really nice, clean kind of like bio page that's just super simple. Yeah.
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Really nice links, your face.
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Yeah, my face. Yeah, yeah.
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You know, kind of just what you need if you want to like a domain,
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you know, kind of thing. So with a landing page.
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I like that. It looks professional, you know?
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Wow. Thank you.
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Was that an existing theme? Did you just kind of browse through some of the
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community themes and land on one you like? Or was that kind of a mix?
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I'm going to be honest. Like I asked it to just generate me like a first go
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so that I could be really critical about the themes. And like we would then
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look at options and stuff in it.
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This is the first one that showed up. I was like, hmm, wow, this is exactly
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what I was picturing. So I didn't even have to do like the browsing through
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a bunch of themes and stuff. So it was super, super easy.
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I got to say. And I got lucky. I think there's a lot of luck based here.
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So that's a great example of a nice, clean, simple page. probably really right
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now, you know, very much Zola's sweet spot.
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And so they're not really, Hugo and Zola aren't maybe direct competitors,
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but we decided to do the right thing and try to see if we could make Zola do what Hugo does.
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And so, Wes, you took a crack at seeing if you could get Zola to render the
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JupyterBroadcasting.com Hugo website using the Zola stack.
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Yeah, why not?
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Why not?
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Because here it is a tool that's broadly in the same sort of capability set,
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right? We have a bunch of markdown files and templates and stuff,
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and it turns it into a website.
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We want the same thing.
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Sure.
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And, you know, as we've talked about, like, it has a bunch of the same stuff,
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single binary, markdown in, um...
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Well, let's just see. So if you go to zola.jupiterbroadcasting.com,
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you should see. It is running on my laptop at the moment.
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Oh, my God, Wes.
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So why not be that fast?
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Oh, my God. People are going to crash your laptop.
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Oh, and loaded almost instantly for me.
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Instantly loaded.
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Instant. Wow.
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It actually kind of looks. Okay, so we don't have the menu. Oh,
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but we do have a hamburger menu that does give you everything.
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And you should have the normal menu. I think you just don't have quite enough screen.
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Oh you're right if I expand the browser I do have the normal menu it's just
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because I have it captured for the screen that actually works really well.
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Hey it collapsed was helping me test it.
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And then look if I go into the show I noticed that you're just using the embedded
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player because the domain.
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Difference yeah so we did make some simplification choices there which we can get into chapters.
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Did we do that or did you do that.
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No no that's so we tried to as part of this I wanted to highlight some of the
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stuff that was in there that we don't normally show.
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That's a great idea Wes.
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Just because part of a big part of doing it we can get into it but a big part
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of it was dealing with like the data model that we have especially because we
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have like a scraper several scrapers generations of scrapers involved hundreds.
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And hundreds and hundreds of posts.
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Yes um but uh in doing the episode page it was like well what data do we already
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have that we could be put in here that we just haven't yet but i don't know
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what do you think did it does it work.
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I'm i am shocked i don't know if you looked at that i don't know if you could
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tell that's not the Hugo site other than maybe it loads faster.
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There are a couple of pages like the live page and there's a few picks and stuff.
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I should do a little side by side. I should. Cause I can see like a little bit
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of font rendering difference, but I actually prefer the way Zola's doing it.
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It's a little bigger and bolder.
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I'm just toggling between the two right now. It's surprisingly consistent.
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I actually forgot which one was which just for a second.
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I was developing on this one.
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Wow, Wes. It's spot on. Were you impressed by this?
445
00:28:07,007 --> 00:28:14,143
Yeah. Because at first, I mean, it took a little while to do enough to make it work, I guess.
446
00:28:14,352 --> 00:28:16,287
Like, the actual rendering worked really well.
447
00:28:16,802 --> 00:28:22,113
But the biggest thing is Hugo's a lot more flexible, right?
448
00:28:22,966 --> 00:28:25,697
In some of the templating stuff, which we can talk more about,
449
00:28:25,697 --> 00:28:30,507
but then also in, and this is a trade-off, but in like the types of concepts
450
00:28:30,507 --> 00:28:33,827
it has and the number of things it can represent and how it understands those
451
00:28:33,827 --> 00:28:35,707
and the relationships between them.
452
00:28:35,707 --> 00:28:38,917
Whereas the data model in Zola is a little more constrained,
453
00:28:38,917 --> 00:28:41,877
which can be really nice because you don't need to deal with all of these concepts
454
00:28:41,877 --> 00:28:43,997
that you maybe don't need to care about for a simple website.
455
00:28:43,997 --> 00:28:44,352
Sure.
456
00:28:44,735 --> 00:28:49,177
But we have grown a website over many years now that also brought over a bunch
457
00:28:49,177 --> 00:28:53,727
of past history and sort of, so we're using a lot more of those concepts.
458
00:28:53,727 --> 00:28:55,027
And so- Do you make your own in Zola?
459
00:28:55,794 --> 00:28:58,772
Not quite in the same way that you can in Hugo.
460
00:28:59,143 --> 00:29:04,107
So what I ended up actually doing is doing a round of Python pre-processing,
461
00:29:04,767 --> 00:29:09,777
to sort of take all of the data in the Hugo format and then convert it to a Zola-friendly format.
462
00:29:09,847 --> 00:29:11,587
That's a little bit of a cheaterade, but I like it.
463
00:29:11,970 --> 00:29:14,791
Well, there basically was no way around. doing that.
464
00:29:14,791 --> 00:29:17,223
Right. So if you're willing to pre-process the files, then Zola works.
465
00:29:18,309 --> 00:29:19,754
And to be clear, there's,
466
00:29:20,539 --> 00:29:24,397
Like some amount of this was because Zola doesn't offer things.
467
00:29:24,397 --> 00:29:25,717
Well, we have a lot of weird stuff.
468
00:29:25,717 --> 00:29:29,740
And then some amount of this is basically we designed the current data model
469
00:29:29,937 --> 00:29:33,257
knowing we were building a Hugo website. They co-evolved together.
470
00:29:33,257 --> 00:29:34,767
So it can only tell you so much.
471
00:29:35,336 --> 00:29:38,424
That's why I'm so impressed. It works as well as it does. Yeah.
472
00:29:38,831 --> 00:29:41,447
And that's where the Python stuff was. A lot of it was mostly just sort of like
473
00:29:41,447 --> 00:29:45,547
normalizing, changing some key names, dealing with things like Brent likes to
474
00:29:45,547 --> 00:29:47,447
put emojis everywhere on the website.
475
00:29:47,747 --> 00:29:49,732
I was hoping those would break something at some point.
476
00:29:49,860 --> 00:29:52,567
And one of the differences is there's times where Hugo will,
477
00:29:52,567 --> 00:29:57,697
by default, sort of just, if it runs into something, it'll just not worry about
478
00:29:57,697 --> 00:30:00,247
it and move on. And Zola will very loudly err.
479
00:30:01,007 --> 00:30:02,627
Which, you know, you could argue either way.
480
00:30:02,627 --> 00:30:04,977
Yeah. You can make both regimes work.
481
00:30:04,977 --> 00:30:07,687
When a website's like 10 years old, you're like, oh, just build.
482
00:30:07,987 --> 00:30:10,447
When a website's brand new and you want it nice and tight and efficient, you want to know.
483
00:30:10,447 --> 00:30:14,247
So there was some stuff that, like, probably want it to be handling that it
484
00:30:14,247 --> 00:30:15,537
wasn't because it was just skipping over.
485
00:30:15,537 --> 00:30:19,307
but the flip side was there was stuff it was just dealing with that Zola immediately
486
00:30:19,307 --> 00:30:22,207
choked on that we had to like iterate through to make that work,
487
00:30:23,387 --> 00:30:27,986
reasonable things though yeah and so some of that was like well we have tags
488
00:30:28,265 --> 00:30:31,907
and it wants to kind of think of those as a taxonomy and then it can automatically
489
00:30:31,907 --> 00:30:36,305
build you right like oh here's all the episodes that have tags and that kind of stuff right but,
490
00:30:37,947 --> 00:30:41,377
the way Hugo does it and handles emojis ends up being different than the way
491
00:30:41,377 --> 00:30:45,347
Zola does it and then you have to come up with a different workaround that involves
492
00:30:45,747 --> 00:30:48,817
perhaps pre-processing so that you can separate those out so they can still
493
00:30:48,817 --> 00:30:52,017
be displayed as tags but they can't actually live in the full this.
494
00:30:52,017 --> 00:30:52,692
Is what you get.
495
00:30:52,820 --> 00:30:54,294
I'm so sorry Wes.
496
00:30:54,672 --> 00:31:01,057
Yeah so some of this was you know that kind of stuff things we did to ourselves
497
00:31:01,057 --> 00:31:03,401
but there was also limitations just in terms of like,
498
00:31:04,874 --> 00:31:09,462
So I think the Zola templating language Terra, I mean, A, it's more familiar
499
00:31:09,462 --> 00:31:13,681
to other things, you know, like Jinja, that are quite popular out there.
500
00:31:14,662 --> 00:31:17,860
And it's nicer for a lot of the common stuff that you're going to do,
501
00:31:18,255 --> 00:31:21,593
but it isn't quite as flexible.
502
00:31:21,883 --> 00:31:25,972
Now, I have mixed feelings about templates in general, at least in a more general
503
00:31:25,972 --> 00:31:29,343
programming language environment, and how much logic you should put into a template.
504
00:31:30,202 --> 00:31:34,972
But when the alternative is some other logic like living in a pre-process or
505
00:31:34,972 --> 00:31:37,132
whatever, sometimes it makes sense to just have it in the template.
506
00:31:37,132 --> 00:31:41,214
And so you have a lot more ability to sort of like iterate through and filter,
507
00:31:41,702 --> 00:31:46,282
and chain access to your content in the template in a way that Terra doesn't
508
00:31:46,282 --> 00:31:48,081
really offer you in the same way.
509
00:31:48,922 --> 00:31:51,802
That sounds like the kind of thing that you get when you have tens and tens
510
00:31:51,802 --> 00:31:53,732
of thousands of users for many, many years.
511
00:31:53,732 --> 00:31:57,422
Right. So like a big one here, right, is like Zola templates can only loop through
512
00:31:57,422 --> 00:32:01,952
lists and things like this, not ask questions in a way that Hugo can ask questions, right?
513
00:32:01,952 --> 00:32:06,492
So like we have some scripts in this setup now that have to figure out like
514
00:32:06,492 --> 00:32:08,722
for the shows to display on the main page,
515
00:32:09,274 --> 00:32:13,332
in Hugo, you can just sort of dynamically get the most recent episodes sorted
516
00:32:13,332 --> 00:32:16,332
through your whole collection or your different collections combined into one
517
00:32:16,332 --> 00:32:20,013
collection and then filter through that. And you don't really have an easy way to do that.
518
00:32:21,186 --> 00:32:21,609
Right.
519
00:32:21,813 --> 00:32:22,828
Zola with Jara.
520
00:32:23,136 --> 00:32:29,411
So let me flip it around. If we were building JB.com today and we knew we were using Zola.
521
00:32:30,678 --> 00:32:33,956
We really wouldn't be hitting these snakes, right? Like these would,
522
00:32:33,956 --> 00:32:36,471
would we be missing certain functionality? We'd still have to.
523
00:32:36,732 --> 00:32:39,836
There would be some, if you wanted it to have exactly the same functionality.
524
00:32:39,836 --> 00:32:42,746
So like the pagination is, is, is the result of this, right?
525
00:32:42,746 --> 00:32:43,037
Okay.
526
00:32:43,147 --> 00:32:49,811
Where you got, Hugo handles that a little more for you. Pagination is sort of per tree in Zola.
527
00:32:50,217 --> 00:32:54,306
Whereas we wanted something that was cross tree in Hugo and Hugo can kind of
528
00:32:54,306 --> 00:33:01,292
just do that, but then it does it by generating like each pagination result is a pre generated html,
529
00:33:01,931 --> 00:33:05,646
thing okay so for every page you click through yes it's pre-generated uh-huh
530
00:33:05,646 --> 00:33:09,266
but you can have hugo do all of that yeah whereas we there wasn't necessarily
531
00:33:09,266 --> 00:33:14,306
as clear of a way to do that given the hierarchy of our data as we have it in zola,
532
00:33:14,806 --> 00:33:17,986
and so a pre-processing script kind of just goes and figures that out and then
533
00:33:17,986 --> 00:33:21,056
can just write out oh here's the most recent 80 episodes we'll just display
534
00:33:21,056 --> 00:33:24,476
those or whatever and then so now it uses a bit of javascript to sort of do
535
00:33:24,476 --> 00:33:28,964
the pagination versus this like pre-computed step so there's trade-offs there too.
536
00:33:29,521 --> 00:33:32,166
I mean here's what i'm noticing is a lot of you are talking about the things
537
00:33:32,166 --> 00:33:36,416
it doesn't do but then you both seem to really like it is that fair do you like
538
00:33:36,416 --> 00:33:38,286
it it seems like you're impressed by it to a degree.
539
00:33:38,816 --> 00:33:46,466
Yeah i think um like i like rust more than i like go okay right and i also never
540
00:33:46,466 --> 00:33:53,723
liked the go templates yeah yeah i would still say the jb site should be using hugo but,
541
00:33:54,425 --> 00:33:58,706
i think if you aren't using any of the more complicated features if you don't
542
00:33:58,706 --> 00:34:01,786
need the robust sort of template library or like if.
543
00:34:01,786 --> 00:34:06,817
If you were going to build fullpane.com as like a bio site for yourself would you use zola.
544
00:34:07,484 --> 00:34:11,751
Yeah i think if i wanted a static site generating tool i think zola would be my default.
545
00:34:11,966 --> 00:34:13,800
Yeah or Like reports. Yeah.
546
00:34:14,195 --> 00:34:16,546
That means I made the right decision. Thank you, Wes.
547
00:34:16,546 --> 00:34:19,816
I mean, I think I'm going to use it. I think I'm going to use it to review reports
548
00:34:19,816 --> 00:34:21,375
and just get them in an HTML format.
549
00:34:22,421 --> 00:34:27,958
Because a lot of the stuff, like, I don't think you'll run into a lot of the limitations. Sure.
550
00:34:28,092 --> 00:34:31,265
And this is why I wanted to test on the JB site, was to try to figure out,
551
00:34:31,265 --> 00:34:33,085
like, where will it really break?
552
00:34:33,085 --> 00:34:34,125
Yeah, it's a great test.
553
00:34:34,125 --> 00:34:37,902
I think Zola rewards when you can kind of adapt your content to it,
554
00:34:38,355 --> 00:34:41,229
and Hugo is a little more willing to bend towards your content.
555
00:34:41,571 --> 00:34:45,665
Yeah, okay. Which is perfect for what Brent's doing. It's because he's starting over again, right?
556
00:34:45,665 --> 00:34:46,621
Yes, exactly.
557
00:34:47,353 --> 00:34:51,405
This is a and it's such a simple tool to get started with and markdown is such
558
00:34:51,405 --> 00:34:56,465
an approachable language that it and it's so common online now that I think,
559
00:34:57,295 --> 00:34:59,945
this is this is one to keep if you're not interested in a site now it's one
560
00:34:59,945 --> 00:35:05,289
to keep in your back pocket so it's Zola and you can find it at getzola.org but we'll put a link,
561
00:35:06,183 --> 00:35:10,065
to several things like the CLI command usage there's some whole CLI set there
562
00:35:10,065 --> 00:35:13,595
that's really good to have they have some search stuff and indexing stuff that
563
00:35:13,595 --> 00:35:16,614
you can bolt on which is really nice a bunch of good things in there.
564
00:35:17,642 --> 00:35:21,705
Nice find there, Brentley. Now you've got to keep it updated somehow.
565
00:35:21,705 --> 00:35:25,241
But I suppose all you have to do is, right, you just update the markdown,
566
00:35:25,531 --> 00:35:28,550
commit it, push it, and page is updated.
567
00:35:29,025 --> 00:35:29,425
Exactly.
568
00:35:30,505 --> 00:35:34,070
And I've got to give props to Brent. He did make sure he got himself a nice little flake there.
569
00:35:34,233 --> 00:35:34,695
Yeah, I saw that.
570
00:35:34,695 --> 00:35:37,845
And what's great too is when you do it with Nix, you can have the build just
571
00:35:37,845 --> 00:35:41,390
use Zola, and then the output derivation is the static files,
572
00:35:41,588 --> 00:35:44,835
and then you just either upload that or you serve that behind engine next you
573
00:35:44,835 --> 00:35:45,685
do whatever you need to do.
574
00:35:45,685 --> 00:35:46,394
Whatever you got to do.
575
00:35:46,638 --> 00:35:50,475
You know the only reason I made a flake.next was because I knew Wes would require.
576
00:35:50,475 --> 00:35:54,752
It makes him so happy and it's worth doing it just it's worth it for how happy it makes him,
577
00:36:02,924 --> 00:36:05,592
Well, we got some feedback into the show, and Greg the Lawyer writes,
578
00:36:05,592 --> 00:36:10,562
Hey, Chris Wesson, Brent, episode 682 was a banger. I love hearing your breakdown
579
00:36:10,562 --> 00:36:14,395
of QuickShell and had to chime in with what I have been building over on my side.
580
00:36:14,755 --> 00:36:17,721
I put together my own setup called Wintermute OS.
581
00:36:18,174 --> 00:36:20,810
I call it that because I'm a big fan of Gibson's Neuromancer.
582
00:36:21,146 --> 00:36:24,912
In the book, Wintermute is an existing AI orchestrate that orchestrates its
583
00:36:24,912 --> 00:36:27,572
own emergence into a higher state of consciousness.
584
00:36:28,019 --> 00:36:31,798
It seems to fit given how AI is unlocking new levels of Linux power for us all.
585
00:36:32,269 --> 00:36:36,882
Wintermute is Nix OS, Wayland, Hyperland, and Quickshell.
586
00:36:36,882 --> 00:36:37,932
All right.
587
00:36:38,312 --> 00:36:42,990
Very, very nicely done. With Quickshell, my bar is exactly what I want, where I want it.
588
00:36:43,205 --> 00:36:46,742
I took inspiration from Ama Archie, Home Assistant plugin, and I have configurable
589
00:36:46,742 --> 00:36:49,662
panel controls, entities, and I get some sensor readings when I want them.
590
00:36:49,662 --> 00:36:50,177
Love it.
591
00:36:50,589 --> 00:36:53,522
I showed off my SingThing panel in the Matrix room in episode 681 as a testament
592
00:36:53,522 --> 00:36:58,572
to the power of agents in Quickshell. I created that panel during 681.
593
00:36:58,572 --> 00:37:00,352
Putting the quick in Quickshell. I love it.
594
00:37:00,660 --> 00:37:05,240
Two custom panels, different apps. Quickshell pulls all my theming to make the desktop feel unified.
595
00:37:05,611 --> 00:37:09,367
One of my favorite quality of life additions is a custom camera settings pop-up.
596
00:37:09,756 --> 00:37:13,252
I have a Logi webcam, and without an app running, its settings consistently
597
00:37:13,252 --> 00:37:15,300
default to less than ideal.
598
00:37:15,660 --> 00:37:19,412
Quickshell to the rescue. Now, right-clicking on the existing screen recording
599
00:37:19,412 --> 00:37:24,452
glyph pulls up a panel with a button to instantly apply my defaults to addition
600
00:37:24,452 --> 00:37:28,860
to direct controls for exposure, focus, pan, tilt, and color balance on the fly.
601
00:37:29,220 --> 00:37:33,442
This used to be done with external GUI utilities or terminal commands before
602
00:37:33,442 --> 00:37:35,095
I could even do a call or recording.
603
00:37:35,437 --> 00:37:40,932
We do this exact thing in studio. And Chris, you hate it every single time.
604
00:37:40,932 --> 00:37:44,673
It is such a pain in the butt. I should think about this. NixOS pulls QuickShell Plus...
605
00:37:45,811 --> 00:37:49,769
thinkers, I think, is letting me build a personalized declarative desktop that
606
00:37:49,769 --> 00:37:50,854
doesn't really feel janky.
607
00:37:51,179 --> 00:37:54,649
The setup bridges Unix philosophy to my desktop. Instead of a pre-built environment
608
00:37:54,649 --> 00:37:57,964
that I have to either submit to or alter until it's unrecognizable,
609
00:37:58,343 --> 00:38:02,644
I can use these building blocks to craft just what I need.
610
00:38:03,142 --> 00:38:06,365
And now I have a premium desktop experience that works just how I want it to,
611
00:38:06,742 --> 00:38:08,767
and I can reproduce it across multiple machines.
612
00:38:09,128 --> 00:38:12,367
Thanks for the great show and keep up the awesome coverage. Cheers, Greg, the lawyer.
613
00:38:12,715 --> 00:38:16,899
He's also not criticizing Genome says or any of that love it all I agree and
614
00:38:16,899 --> 00:38:20,799
what a great project winter mute OS kind of took what I was thinking about and
615
00:38:20,799 --> 00:38:22,659
just ran with it to the next level Greg.
616
00:38:22,659 --> 00:38:23,399
Yeah it looks really.
617
00:38:23,399 --> 00:38:25,949
Nice thank you for sharing it's always.
618
00:38:25,949 --> 00:38:27,373
Fun to see what people build.
619
00:38:27,692 --> 00:38:29,723
Screenshot of the JB website too gotta love that,
620
00:38:31,912 --> 00:38:33,283
thank you Greg appreciate the value,
621
00:38:35,460 --> 00:38:39,419
or the email I guess thank you Greg appreciate the form of e-value he usually
622
00:38:39,419 --> 00:38:43,981
does boost it he will boost in And he, in fact, is our second booster. So let's get to that.
623
00:38:48,704 --> 00:38:52,530
However, producer Jeff sneaking in right now with a baller boost,
624
00:38:52,530 --> 00:38:56,582
66,666 Satoshi's spooky.
625
00:38:58,921 --> 00:39:01,350
Jeff's been figuring out another way to boost without bolts.
626
00:39:01,350 --> 00:39:04,980
Experimenting, but swap market, swap market.github.io worked well for me to
627
00:39:04,980 --> 00:39:08,917
use my liquid stash. Still experimenting. Hope to boost more again soon.
628
00:39:09,225 --> 00:39:10,299
Oh, well, we appreciate it.
629
00:39:10,595 --> 00:39:16,870
Yeah. Check out DJ, also the Blockstream app, you know, and if you're on the
630
00:39:16,870 --> 00:39:20,069
Lightning Network, moving between lightning wallets is ain't no thing.
631
00:39:20,307 --> 00:39:22,466
Ain't no thing. Thank you, PJ.
632
00:39:22,658 --> 00:39:23,930
I like he's out there experimenting.
633
00:39:23,930 --> 00:39:25,050
Mm-hmm.
634
00:39:25,050 --> 00:39:29,519
Oh, well, it's like you saw the future. Greg the lawyer booths in with 30,000 sats.
635
00:39:32,021 --> 00:39:33,931
Hello, Greg. Good to hear from you again.
636
00:39:34,076 --> 00:39:36,330
Short and sweet. Live long and prosper.
637
00:39:36,330 --> 00:39:36,793
You too.
638
00:39:39,574 --> 00:39:40,450
Live long and quick show.
639
00:39:42,110 --> 00:39:45,646
We've got an otter brain here with 10,000 sats.
640
00:39:51,542 --> 00:39:55,252
As a college educator, I arrived at an AI course policy.
641
00:39:56,127 --> 00:40:01,627
I am prohibiting use for quizzes and exams, and students are not allowed to
642
00:40:01,627 --> 00:40:03,855
generate responses to homework prompts.
643
00:40:04,899 --> 00:40:11,157
I am allowing use for help with finding sources, however, or help with describing
644
00:40:11,157 --> 00:40:13,102
a concept introduced in class.
645
00:40:13,514 --> 00:40:18,297
For homework and presentations, I ask for a brief citation of model and prompt.
646
00:40:18,739 --> 00:40:22,437
I'm curious to see how this is going to work long term. I'm hopeful for the
647
00:40:22,437 --> 00:40:29,907
strengths of this tooling is that it can help learners to build confidence and ask good questions.
648
00:40:30,499 --> 00:40:32,067
I think it's a pretty balanced policy.
649
00:40:32,067 --> 00:40:32,787
Yeah, I like it.
650
00:40:32,787 --> 00:40:36,497
Pretty thoughtful. I'm curious if you want to share Otter without maybe revealing
651
00:40:36,497 --> 00:40:42,794
too much, how you will know if they used AI, if you have a system to detect that and if it works.
652
00:40:43,468 --> 00:40:46,003
I'd just be curious to have any more information you can share.
653
00:40:46,410 --> 00:40:52,871
You know, what kind of bakes my noodle about this banning AI in schools thing,
654
00:40:53,892 --> 00:41:01,700
and I'll just quickly address this, is I spent the 90s fighting tooth and nail,
655
00:41:02,205 --> 00:41:08,759
to get OpenOffice or StarOffice and the Linux desktop on any school system I could get.
656
00:41:09,229 --> 00:41:14,047
And I came up with every scheme, every way to save money, to repurpose old hardware.
657
00:41:14,297 --> 00:41:18,848
You know, I did the math to compare the licensing costs on Microsoft Office.
658
00:41:20,125 --> 00:41:24,084
And over and over again, the school board rejected it for one reason.
659
00:41:24,281 --> 00:41:28,207
And I listened to this reason for probably five, six years. I mean,
660
00:41:28,207 --> 00:41:32,287
it started the year I moved into the school district. And the reason was...
661
00:41:34,069 --> 00:41:38,214
When the students leave school, the applications they'll be using in the workforce
662
00:41:38,214 --> 00:41:40,675
will be Microsoft Office and Microsoft Excel.
663
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And if we put OpenOffice on their machines, or LibreOffice wasn't around yet,
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but if we put a StarOffice or OpenOffice on their machines, they'll be learning
665
00:41:49,724 --> 00:41:52,561
something that isn't in the workplace and it won't serve them.
666
00:41:52,881 --> 00:41:56,834
And so we must spend hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to the licensing
667
00:41:56,834 --> 00:41:59,766
regime so that way the students are prepared for the workplace.
668
00:42:02,100 --> 00:42:06,464
And yet we are just dismissing that logic now i think otter brain has the good
669
00:42:06,464 --> 00:42:08,764
balance here i think that's the right way to do it but i'd be curious to know
670
00:42:08,764 --> 00:42:12,424
how you actually enforce it thank you otter brain good discussion appreciate
671
00:42:12,424 --> 00:42:13,448
you uh keeping us in the loop,
672
00:42:13,970 --> 00:42:18,412
hey gene beans here with a row of ducks 2 222 cents,
673
00:42:18,875 --> 00:42:21,904
i'm so impressed to hear that omicon foundation is sponsoring devs for multiple
674
00:42:21,904 --> 00:42:26,050
years yes in fact i believe they are now at a total of 12 million in funding
675
00:42:26,352 --> 00:42:30,862
and they've also launched individual funding and they're already at like $50,000
676
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,331
in individual contributions from end users.
677
00:42:34,084 --> 00:42:36,256
So it seems to be getting speed, Gene Bean. Nice to hear from you.
678
00:42:36,685 --> 00:42:39,820
Magnolia Mayhem comes in with $5,289.
679
00:42:43,661 --> 00:42:45,711
Well, first we get a boosty, boosty, boost.
680
00:42:45,711 --> 00:42:47,922
Oh, of course we do. Here you go, buddy.
681
00:42:50,047 --> 00:42:56,171
And then Mayhem goes on. Some years ago, I promised that my next boost would be from Boost CLI.
682
00:42:56,771 --> 00:43:02,321
I guess those days have come and gone, but I hope you'll accept this LBCLI boost in its place.
683
00:43:02,321 --> 00:43:03,363
That's neat.
684
00:43:03,845 --> 00:43:04,588
We sure do. Yeah.
685
00:43:05,952 --> 00:43:10,138
I mean, boosting from the CLI is pretty cool, however you're doing it, right?
686
00:43:10,910 --> 00:43:14,317
That's great. Thank you. nice to hear from you mayhem appreciate the value.
687
00:43:15,159 --> 00:43:21,667
Well thomas english boosted in a row of sticks 11 1111 sets.
688
00:43:23,391 --> 00:43:28,766
Thanks guys i vibe clanked nixos into every computer to hand out but my phone has eluded me
689
00:43:29,201 --> 00:43:33,351
i got my nubal flakes going my hermes and trek project across the sardia skillfully
690
00:43:33,351 --> 00:43:36,401
extracting descriptions from restaurants just liked and the pattern matching
691
00:43:36,401 --> 00:43:41,617
ones that we should eat at next nom nom nom lm wiki for our holiday habits next.
692
00:43:42,192 --> 00:43:43,981
There's a lot cooking there. I love it.
693
00:43:43,981 --> 00:43:47,788
I mean, like he's making his bot an expert on his favorite restaurants,
694
00:43:48,072 --> 00:43:52,181
making a wiki out of it, and then going to start planning holiday habits next.
695
00:43:52,181 --> 00:43:53,494
It's like a restaurant DJ.
696
00:43:53,610 --> 00:43:58,660
I love it. And also, yeah, turning your phone into like a Trek tricorder would be high on my list.
697
00:43:59,009 --> 00:44:02,201
I just, I don't even need it to actually be a tricorder.
698
00:44:02,201 --> 00:44:03,293
It just needs to be more like it.
699
00:44:03,809 --> 00:44:07,861
Just look and sound like a tricorder. That's all I'm asking for is. Oh, it's not a big deal.
700
00:44:08,041 --> 00:44:08,971
Okay. Shouldn't be.
701
00:44:09,331 --> 00:44:11,013
No, I'm not asking for too much. I don't think.
702
00:44:11,942 --> 00:44:16,151
Well, how about a ginkgo salad? Because ginkgo salad boosts in with 10,000 sets.
703
00:44:18,421 --> 00:44:25,578
Have you seen TryNix.dev? Boot any package Nix packages ever shipped in this
704
00:44:25,578 --> 00:44:27,928
tab. There's a good blog post on it as well.
705
00:44:27,928 --> 00:44:31,728
Have you ever seen these websites and you're like, how do they do this?
706
00:44:31,728 --> 00:44:34,648
It's unfortunately under a little bit of load at the moment as we're live.
707
00:44:34,648 --> 00:44:37,448
So I don't know if it'll actually load for me. But did you see,
708
00:44:37,448 --> 00:44:38,476
I saw this before the show.
709
00:44:38,783 --> 00:44:43,558
I did not. No, this looks great. Oh, it's made by Farid Zakaria. Of course it's great.
710
00:44:43,558 --> 00:44:47,438
It's not loading for me, but yeah. So you basically can type in a Nix package.
711
00:44:47,438 --> 00:44:52,208
searches it and you're going to boot it up and try it and it's so cool it's
712
00:44:52,208 --> 00:44:56,338
really it's really amazing that kind of technology you know run whole computers in a browser.
713
00:44:56,808 --> 00:45:03,402
Does that mean you could run zola in a browser to make a website for yourself.
714
00:45:04,395 --> 00:45:06,525
I think that's that's blowing my browser.
715
00:45:07,222 --> 00:45:10,928
Yeah uh if you haven't checked out uh farid has a lot of great resources about
716
00:45:10,928 --> 00:45:14,398
learning nix explaining nix concepts just recently a very cool article about
717
00:45:14,398 --> 00:45:18,198
turning sqlite databases into actual executable files on.
718
00:45:18,198 --> 00:45:18,488
Linux.
719
00:45:19,188 --> 00:45:23,012
And I think this is also... Yeah, it's great. I'll include a link to that too.
720
00:45:24,004 --> 00:45:27,498
And then any Nix package live in your browser is the write-up for this neat
721
00:45:27,498 --> 00:45:28,996
little tool. Well, there you go.
722
00:45:29,751 --> 00:45:32,028
Thank you, Ginkgo, because I had not seen that.
723
00:45:33,118 --> 00:45:39,665
Hey, we got some Fiat boost too. And Blackhost is coming in as our Fiat baller with $250.
724
00:45:44,698 --> 00:45:48,568
Very nice. Blackhost is just moving the needle. plus one on the AI podcast.
725
00:45:48,568 --> 00:45:50,188
Thank you very much, Blackhawks.
726
00:45:50,188 --> 00:45:50,568
Thank you.
727
00:45:50,568 --> 00:45:51,788
And strong.
728
00:45:51,788 --> 00:45:52,878
We sure appreciate it.
729
00:45:52,878 --> 00:45:56,958
Thank you very much. Mobile Home Labber comes in with $10 in fiat.
730
00:45:56,958 --> 00:45:58,978
Hey, first time, a long time.
731
00:46:00,243 --> 00:46:03,233
Nice to hear. Freeman was looking at Markdown editors and found Neo,
732
00:46:03,547 --> 00:46:06,269
a novel writing tool created by a novelist.
733
00:46:06,913 --> 00:46:12,052
Oh, and they are the author of the Silo series. No kidding. App image release.
734
00:46:12,052 --> 00:46:12,858
Just thought it was cool.
735
00:46:13,467 --> 00:46:16,342
But now I got to go take a look at this. So it's Neo, N-E-O.
736
00:46:16,342 --> 00:46:18,407
It's on GitHub. MIT licensed.
737
00:46:18,819 --> 00:46:22,742
Neo understands from the moment you install it that you're writing books and
738
00:46:22,742 --> 00:46:27,539
nothing else. No bloat, no distractions with manuscripts that look like books as you write them.
739
00:46:28,729 --> 00:46:30,612
Pretty great. Pretty great.
740
00:46:30,612 --> 00:46:32,200
We're finally getting that novel then, Brent.
741
00:46:32,374 --> 00:46:35,852
Nice to hear from you. Yeah. Yeah, where is that? Nice to hear from you,
742
00:46:35,852 --> 00:46:38,312
Mobile Home Labber. Thank you very much. You know, Brent, you should write a
743
00:46:38,312 --> 00:46:41,712
book on how to go to restaurants with gluten and dairy allergies.
744
00:46:41,712 --> 00:46:44,842
I'll get right on that. I got to wait for a morning where I wake up inspired.
745
00:46:46,172 --> 00:46:48,412
You want to take our first member boost there, Wes?
746
00:46:48,792 --> 00:46:52,174
Yeah, we got two anonymous member boosts here.
747
00:46:52,894 --> 00:46:56,982
After many months, I finally switched from DMS to Noctalia just a couple of
748
00:46:56,982 --> 00:47:00,402
weeks ago, having had regular crashes and quick show whenever the screen locked
749
00:47:00,402 --> 00:47:05,152
oh okay looks like those are fixed in zero three one so switching back i'd have
750
00:47:05,152 --> 00:47:07,072
missed that update so thanks for the heads up.
751
00:47:07,072 --> 00:47:10,822
So apparently i jumped on just at the right time like brent's jump on in zola just.
752
00:47:10,822 --> 00:47:15,196
The right time some good try and stuff luck let's hope that continues yeah yeah,
753
00:47:15,692 --> 00:47:20,862
okay and then here we go star trek question i am not a diehard trek fan however
754
00:47:20,862 --> 00:47:25,749
i do enjoy the content i've recently He started watching Strange New Worlds and found it enjoyable.
755
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:30,044
For those that are really into Star Trek, how is Strange New Worlds perceived?
756
00:47:30,712 --> 00:47:35,232
I think, you guys tell me if you think this is wrong. I don't speak for all Star Trek fans.
757
00:47:36,252 --> 00:47:42,181
But I feel like a lot of long-timers, we would describe Strange New Worlds as best of the new batch.
758
00:47:42,524 --> 00:47:45,601
Yeah. Best of the new batch. That's a good way to put it.
759
00:47:45,751 --> 00:47:50,692
It's not like, you don't build a 60-year franchise on this television show,
760
00:47:50,883 --> 00:47:54,047
right? This is the television show you get after a 60-year franchise.
761
00:47:54,442 --> 00:47:57,518
And so it's enjoyable, but it isn't representative of what...
762
00:47:58,302 --> 00:48:04,612
The original Star Trek was written by sci-fi novelists who wrote fantastic novels
763
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with followings and had entire careers writing sci-fi novels.
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00:48:09,273 --> 00:48:12,629
And then Gene came to them and said, hey, will you write for my TV show?
765
00:48:12,948 --> 00:48:16,292
And these really good sci-fi writers wrote for television.
766
00:48:16,791 --> 00:48:21,435
And now what we have is new hires that have never worked in TV before or written.
767
00:48:21,951 --> 00:48:25,232
Their first job is working for Bad Robot.
768
00:48:25,232 --> 00:48:29,232
And so this is what they're writing. and that's not a judgment it's just a fact
769
00:48:29,232 --> 00:48:32,504
and so it just doesn't quite hold up in our opinion but it's still very good
770
00:48:32,747 --> 00:48:36,202
we still enjoy it I'm currently watching it I have not watched the most recent
771
00:48:36,202 --> 00:48:37,479
episode but I did get through the puppet episode.
772
00:48:38,892 --> 00:48:42,722
Yeah and of course Gene also himself had done a bunch of previous television
773
00:48:42,722 --> 00:48:46,116
stuff and westerns and all kinds of storytelling for the screen.
774
00:48:47,260 --> 00:48:49,882
It's beautiful too I really think the strange I love the sets.
775
00:48:49,882 --> 00:48:53,652
It does I think it is the closest that feels that got closest to the feeling
776
00:48:53,652 --> 00:48:56,020
of like I'm watching this and it feels like I'm watching.
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00:48:56,258 --> 00:48:59,562
Star Trek And it's the one that probably feels the closest to part of the entire
778
00:48:59,562 --> 00:49:02,262
universe out of, I think, all the new Trek as well.
779
00:49:02,262 --> 00:49:03,612
Rather than its own thing.
780
00:49:03,612 --> 00:49:04,303
Yeah. Yeah.
781
00:49:05,436 --> 00:49:07,150
Good question. Not that we like talking about Star Trek.
782
00:49:07,150 --> 00:49:07,967
No, what? No, never.
783
00:49:08,860 --> 00:49:14,570
Slightly off topic. Amadeus sends in a member boost.
784
00:49:14,570 --> 00:49:15,263
Hey.
785
00:49:15,705 --> 00:49:19,720
Thank you. I'm delighted Quickshell is getting funding. I made a resource widget
786
00:49:19,720 --> 00:49:24,407
that turns different colors based on the CPU, memory, and disk thresholds.
787
00:49:25,283 --> 00:49:30,090
so now i can play factorio during colmina builds and know when it's time to
788
00:49:30,090 --> 00:49:35,450
return to work faithfully reenacting the ancient xkcd my code is.
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00:49:35,450 --> 00:49:37,280
Compiling amazing.
790
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,620
You've basically created your own lunch whistle right when the code goes green
791
00:49:40,620 --> 00:49:42,700
again it's time to get back to work the lunch whistles oh.
792
00:49:43,220 --> 00:49:43,990
Build's done.
793
00:49:43,990 --> 00:49:47,730
I think that's so good thank you for sharing that that's actually and color
794
00:49:47,730 --> 00:49:49,890
coding is such a good way to go you just get it by a glance.
795
00:49:50,395 --> 00:49:53,470
I was seeing another someone who'd rigged up it started as like a monitoring
796
00:49:53,470 --> 00:49:56,590
widget for system d service status but then they kind of just put in more and
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00:49:56,590 --> 00:50:00,990
more things to like a little green right green light red light yellow light
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00:50:00,990 --> 00:50:03,677
sort of setup yeah there's a lot there's a lot to that.
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Unnoticed 92 87 sent in a free member boost.
800
00:50:09,540 --> 00:50:12,365
I'm not sure how long I've been listening, but how long does one have to be
801
00:50:12,365 --> 00:50:16,365
listening to be called a long timer? Low 400s, maybe the high 300s first time
802
00:50:16,365 --> 00:50:19,075
booster relatively new member. Keep up the great work. Well,
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00:50:19,075 --> 00:50:20,140
thank you for becoming a member.
804
00:50:20,941 --> 00:50:24,955
Um, here's, I think people usually go by like, well, I joined when system D
805
00:50:24,955 --> 00:50:27,655
was the topic or I joined topic eras.
806
00:50:27,655 --> 00:50:32,105
Yeah. Well, because new people think, oh my God, all these guys do is talk about
807
00:50:32,105 --> 00:50:36,175
Nix or, oh my God, all these guys talk about AI, But long timers know that we're
808
00:50:36,175 --> 00:50:38,726
just following where Linux is going and there's eras.
809
00:50:39,341 --> 00:50:41,483
And there has now been many eras over the show.
810
00:50:41,738 --> 00:50:43,275
I want to see a map of those eras.
811
00:50:43,275 --> 00:50:45,695
Right. Because there was a time when like, oh my God, all the show talks about
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is system D. And oh my God, all we talk about is Pulse Audio.
813
00:50:48,425 --> 00:50:49,285
Or Arch Linux.
814
00:50:49,285 --> 00:50:53,529
Or WireGuard or ButterFS or, you know, these things. And then it's just,
815
00:50:53,691 --> 00:50:57,464
it's all quantitative to the actual size and impact and scale it is on the Linux community.
816
00:50:58,009 --> 00:51:02,728
And so usually what people do unnoticed is they say, I joined during that topic era.
817
00:51:03,955 --> 00:51:07,014
Or, you know, or like, I joined when Matt was still hosting or something like that.
818
00:51:07,838 --> 00:51:09,475
During the Arch Challenge.
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00:51:09,475 --> 00:51:11,935
Yeah, the Arch Challenge. Thank you very much for being here,
820
00:51:11,935 --> 00:51:13,707
and it's nice to hear from you. Please do keep it up.
821
00:51:14,496 --> 00:51:15,845
I'll hear this one's for you, Chris.
822
00:51:15,845 --> 00:51:16,035
Okay.
823
00:51:16,395 --> 00:51:19,925
Lawson member boosts in to say, Chris, I know you mentioned that you fought
824
00:51:19,925 --> 00:51:24,055
with how Bitwarden fills in finding the button and how they keep changing what
825
00:51:24,055 --> 00:51:24,895
clicking where it means.
826
00:51:25,988 --> 00:51:29,075
As you are moving to a more keyboard-centric workflow with Hyperland,
827
00:51:29,075 --> 00:51:31,119
you can use the shortcut Control-Shift-L.
828
00:51:31,804 --> 00:51:34,875
What? I can use a Hyperland shortcut to do a Bitwarden fill?
829
00:51:35,607 --> 00:51:36,721
Or is it a...
830
00:51:38,555 --> 00:51:39,402
That's great.
831
00:51:39,842 --> 00:51:41,642
Say more. You got to try it out.
832
00:51:41,982 --> 00:51:42,162
Yeah.
833
00:51:42,162 --> 00:51:43,012
Let us know how it works.
834
00:51:43,012 --> 00:51:43,634
Yeah.
835
00:51:43,843 --> 00:51:45,752
Is it a Bitwarden shortcut that gets registered?
836
00:51:45,752 --> 00:51:48,612
Either way, I got to look into that. That is great.
837
00:51:48,612 --> 00:51:50,809
You should write it down on your notebook there, Chris, I think.
838
00:51:51,262 --> 00:51:53,672
Bring it home with you. You know what? I really have to thank everybody.
839
00:51:53,672 --> 00:51:54,605
The show really turned around.
840
00:51:55,942 --> 00:52:00,289
When we sat down to do the show, we didn't even crack 100,000 sats for support this week.
841
00:52:00,991 --> 00:52:03,252
But things are looking much better. So let's round it all up.
842
00:52:03,252 --> 00:52:06,012
I want to say thank you to all of you who streamed sats as you listened.
843
00:52:06,413 --> 00:52:13,239
16 of you did that. And collectively, you 16 stacked 28,789 sats for the show. Thank you.
844
00:52:15,231 --> 00:52:19,102
When you bring it all together with the fiat boost converted to our local currency,
845
00:52:19,439 --> 00:52:22,324
or local currency, you know what I'm trying to say, current value for sats,
846
00:52:23,062 --> 00:52:32,093
bringing the live boost, our bar boost, and all of it, it brings the show to a respectable 491,318.
847
00:52:33,382 --> 00:52:33,822
Sats. All right.
848
00:52:33,822 --> 00:52:35,962
Which is way better than we were looking at going into the future.
849
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Out.
850
00:52:36,232 --> 00:52:38,385
Yes. Thank you, everybody.
851
00:52:43,001 --> 00:52:47,920
boost.jupiterbroadcasting.com support the show and keep us going and thank you
852
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:52,585
to our members who put their support on autopilot we appreciate you.
853
00:52:54,304 --> 00:52:58,489
Could I pull I think I want to pull a boost forward here.
854
00:52:58,733 --> 00:53:00,596
Go for it yeah always welcome alright.
855
00:53:00,898 --> 00:53:06,088
So Harpo sent in a row of sticks basically 1111 sats,
856
00:53:07,022 --> 00:53:10,709
and has a great message here in case anyone is interested I've created both
857
00:53:11,022 --> 00:53:16,189
knives the Home Assistant add-on that connects an LM of your choice with Assist.
858
00:53:16,815 --> 00:53:20,980
It has local memory, so it remembers things between diff conversions,
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00:53:20,980 --> 00:53:25,551
can reason, and can even create automations for you by just speaking.
860
00:53:26,253 --> 00:53:28,691
Been using it in my house for months.
861
00:53:29,852 --> 00:53:36,780
And two, Knives on Omarchie plug-in, which allows you to speak to Home Assistant from your desktop.
862
00:53:36,780 --> 00:53:42,287
Oh, my goodness. Here we go, boys. You know, that's a nice little combo right there.
863
00:53:43,410 --> 00:53:47,170
Good call. Harpo, thank you for sending that in. We'll link those in the show
864
00:53:47,170 --> 00:53:49,473
notes as well. Knives, N-I-V-E-S.
865
00:53:49,723 --> 00:53:53,270
There is something interesting about the idea of an embedded bot in the home
866
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assistant. It's the personality of the home.
867
00:53:56,270 --> 00:54:02,310
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yep. My home assistant is named Rosie after the robot in the
868
00:54:02,310 --> 00:54:05,190
Jetsons, and I've always wanted to take that a little bit further.
869
00:54:06,330 --> 00:54:08,580
I think that'd be a lot of fun. Thank you, everybody who supports the show with
870
00:54:08,580 --> 00:54:11,950
a membership or a boost. We have the 2000s at cutoff. We do read them all.
871
00:54:11,950 --> 00:54:14,197
And every now and then we do pull one forward as well.
872
00:54:15,363 --> 00:54:16,790
Now someone's been picking.
873
00:54:16,790 --> 00:54:22,264
Oh, I am excited. I can't wait to go home tonight and try this on Dylan's Mouse.
874
00:54:23,628 --> 00:54:29,648
It's called OpenMouse, and you can go to openmouse.app. And this allows you
875
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:35,624
to configure the DPI, the polling rate, your buttons, if your mouse has RGB.
876
00:54:36,991 --> 00:54:40,464
All these things that you normally would require, a proprietary Windows app,
877
00:54:40,464 --> 00:54:45,211
can now be done in a web app. It uses the WebHID HID protocol.
878
00:54:46,123 --> 00:54:51,254
The downside is it's currently Chromium only. And your mouse has to be on the supported list.
879
00:54:51,707 --> 00:54:56,386
but there are 117 individual mice with a real focus on gaming mice.
880
00:54:56,850 --> 00:54:59,190
And something tells me that list will be growing. Yeah.
881
00:55:00,658 --> 00:55:02,133
Oh, actually it already has. It's 120 now.
882
00:55:03,824 --> 00:55:04,904
Hey, what are my predictions?
883
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It worked, Wes. You did it. Oh, the MX Master's on here. Good,
884
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good, good. I have one of those.
885
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It's nice. They have a list here with a ton of requests and also you can vote.
886
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So I guess the developers just see like, you know, Get working on the one that
887
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has the most votes and keep going. That's a good system.
888
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It's so cool that you can do this in the browser. Yes, it requires Chromium.
889
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But any Chromium browser, I believe, will work.
890
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The actual app is control.openmouse.app, and it is GPL3.
891
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I know. I was impressed when we were doing our, and you can do it for regular
892
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old Android too, but our giraffine installs and being able to do that right
893
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from the browser installer. So more things that can handle these kind of fussy
894
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device interactions without having to install janky software, the better.
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That's why I genuinely wonder if I could build a web app that rips DVDs with
896
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like some sort of web-based MakeMKV.
897
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We'll compile MakeMKV to WebAssembly.
898
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All right. So this next one.
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I think initially, at first glance, it looks like a finance tracker.
900
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But I think a lot of people have that workflow baked in. Maybe, maybe not.
901
00:56:10,966 --> 00:56:15,472
But the thing that still kind of is hard for me to keep track of is not just
902
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the subscriptions I've signed up for, but like the ones my kids end up signing up through their phone.
903
00:56:20,664 --> 00:56:23,172
The whole network of subscriptions that ultimately come back to you.
904
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And on the Apple devices, I can from my phone see they have subscriptions.
905
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I cannot see what they are. So I do not remember. Remember, I have to go to
906
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their phone and look it up individually in the settings app on every one of their devices.
907
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So enter WallOS, an open source personal subscription tracker,
908
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a self-hostable web application designed to empower you for managing your finances with ease.
909
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WallOS.
910
00:56:46,142 --> 00:56:49,902
It simplifies the process of tracking expenses and helps you gain a better understanding
911
00:56:49,902 --> 00:56:53,381
of your finances. And the big thing here is subscription management.
912
00:56:53,654 --> 00:56:56,092
Keep track of your reoccurring subscriptions and payments.
913
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Make sure you never miss a due date or lose track of them. it has automatic category,
914
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sorting it can go look up the logos for you so that way it looks good it gives
915
00:57:04,332 --> 00:57:07,972
you a nice dashboard you pull up you can see you got your Google subscriptions
916
00:57:07,972 --> 00:57:10,935
on here your Netflixes and your Spotify and kind of this one dashboard here,
917
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and you can dig in give more information,
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multi-currency support if you happen to be paying in different currencies around the world,
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data's all yours like I mentioned the logo search is really nice category management
920
00:57:23,012 --> 00:57:26,162
I think is really good you do get statistics and graphs you can get perspectives
921
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on what you're spending who you're spending it with.
922
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I see it has some notion of like inactive.
923
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Subscriptions. Yeah.
924
00:57:31,022 --> 00:57:32,712
They have a demo instance, which I'm checking out.
925
00:57:32,712 --> 00:57:37,702
Yes, they do. They do. So you can, you go to the GitHub page on the GitHub page,
926
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which we'll link in the notes. They have a demo that you can go to and the login
927
00:57:41,162 --> 00:57:43,007
is just like demo, demo. Yeah.
928
00:57:43,831 --> 00:57:49,601
Oh yeah. Here's the stats page. Okay. Yearly cost fun. Most expensive subscriptions cost. Nice.
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Yeah.
930
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Some stuff you don't want to know.
931
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But yeah.
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Especially when you're spending too much money on tokens. and then you have
933
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like your upcoming you get a snapshot of what your monthly budget and spend is oh that's.
934
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Nice if you're trying to keep track of.
935
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Things yeah,
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It's kind of nice. And I like that it's not trying to solve everything.
937
00:58:09,015 --> 00:58:11,562
That's what I was going to say. You're not necessarily trying to have this be
938
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categorized every single transaction that flows through my cats.
939
00:58:14,125 --> 00:58:17,006
It's not like QuickBooks or whatever you might be using out there these days.
940
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It's just because so many things are subscription-based.
941
00:58:20,165 --> 00:58:22,905
So what's the onboarding like? I mean, how do you get, does it automatically
942
00:58:22,905 --> 00:58:25,005
find it? Do you kind of just go plumb it up in the UI?
943
00:58:25,125 --> 00:58:27,365
Yeah, and then it goes in an API. Gets the logos and things like that.
944
00:58:27,365 --> 00:58:32,651
Yes. And also, it will support OIDC with OAuth if you want to do that.
945
00:58:33,138 --> 00:58:36,165
And then they have a tie-in, although it's not really a major feature,
946
00:58:36,165 --> 00:58:39,419
but they do have an AI tie-in where they'll generate recommendations.
947
00:58:39,657 --> 00:58:41,175
It can use ChatGipity over the
948
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API, Gemini, or if you've got local llamas going, it can use that as well.
949
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The fact it even has an API is really brilliant because a lot of these types
950
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of tools just don't even...
951
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And GPL3. I mean, come on. Is that some banger picks or what?
952
00:58:59,545 --> 00:59:02,395
Mostly PHP. Haven't had one of those for a minute, so that's nice.
953
00:59:02,395 --> 00:59:05,698
Wow. Well, it's cool again. php is cool again,
954
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you know i really think the real unlock though from like a long-term linux user
955
00:59:11,845 --> 00:59:19,478
perspective is the open mouse stuff that has been the domain of proprietary windows apps,
956
00:59:20,401 --> 00:59:24,835
for so long and now like so that's one of the downsides that my kids have had
957
00:59:24,835 --> 00:59:29,495
is all of their friends have fancy gaming nieces with rgb and some of them got
958
00:59:29,495 --> 00:59:33,532
fans and high DPI's you can turn ups and stuff like that,
959
00:59:34,356 --> 00:59:39,964
and it's all Windows and now I'm going to just say go over there if your mouse is supported.
960
00:59:40,156 --> 00:59:43,705
It is pretty funny we got to the like actually the games run just great but,
961
00:59:44,205 --> 00:59:46,518
we can't really deal with your gaming peripherals.
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00:59:46,895 --> 00:59:49,374
Especially weird esoteric Mies made for Windows users,
963
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All right, links to all of that will be at linuxunplugged.com slash 683.
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Find the whole back catalog over there. You can become a long-timer just by
965
00:59:59,099 --> 01:00:00,077
listening to the back catalog.
966
01:00:00,722 --> 01:00:04,263
Jump in the time machine, go back, automatically become a long-timer.
967
01:00:04,716 --> 01:00:06,527
And we also, we haven't mentioned this for a while.
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Two things before we go. Number one, we do love time travel boost.
969
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So if you're in the back catalog, we always like it when you check in. It's just fun for us.
970
01:00:13,699 --> 01:00:17,169
Yeah, that's right. We have zip code boost. That's sort of a spatial domain
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01:00:17,169 --> 01:00:18,936
boost. And then we have a time domain boost.
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01:00:19,638 --> 01:00:23,667
And then I'm going to make an ask that I don't think we've made for at least five years.
973
01:00:23,910 --> 01:00:26,939
And I'm going to say, if you've made it this far in the podcast and you're listening
974
01:00:26,939 --> 01:00:31,097
on Apple Podcasts, go give us a nice review if you would.
975
01:00:31,567 --> 01:00:34,379
We've had one recently and it was actually really nice because for years now
976
01:00:34,379 --> 01:00:35,569
we've been taking it in the pants.
977
01:00:35,569 --> 01:00:38,899
We're talking about Knicks or talking about whatever.
978
01:00:38,899 --> 01:00:42,709
I think one person dinged it because we talked about immutable distributions
979
01:00:42,709 --> 01:00:44,729
and others said, you know, it's like random stuff.
980
01:00:44,729 --> 01:00:47,699
maybe talk about whatever was that's whatever personal pet peeves are,
981
01:00:48,309 --> 01:00:53,509
a lot of people go get squeaky on the uh apple podcast ratings we're not apple
982
01:00:53,509 --> 01:00:57,049
podcast users so we can't do anything about it but if you're using apple podcast
983
01:00:57,049 --> 01:01:00,325
out there and could give us a nice review and rating it helps other people find the show,
984
01:01:00,935 --> 01:01:03,738
and i don't think i've asked in like five years so i'm putting it out there
985
01:01:04,139 --> 01:01:07,349
we'd really appreciate it anything else they should know before we go wes any
986
01:01:07,598 --> 01:01:12,559
hot tips extra information around the show metadata oh metadata yeah.
987
01:01:12,559 --> 01:01:17,999
Okay well how about xml you like xml site i put um i put json inside the xml.
988
01:01:17,999 --> 01:01:18,929
For you now you're talking.
989
01:01:18,929 --> 01:01:26,313
Yep i also put text files vtt srt and uh mpeg not just level three but level four.
990
01:01:26,568 --> 01:01:28,659
It's like the podcast was ready for the agentic era.
991
01:01:29,219 --> 01:01:33,801
It's got all that data sitting there at the item level just packaged up between a lot of you know.
992
01:01:34,266 --> 01:01:34,819
Structured little.
993
01:01:34,819 --> 01:01:36,179
Alligators open and closes.
994
01:01:36,179 --> 01:01:37,029
Yeah a lot of alligators a.
995
01:01:37,029 --> 01:01:37,899
Lot of alligators.
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01:01:37,899 --> 01:01:41,708
But don't worry they can navigate that now for you the human you should join us live.
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01:01:45,278 --> 01:01:50,036
Make it just a Tuesday on a Sunday experience. Hang out in the mumble room,
998
01:01:50,036 --> 01:01:51,994
the chat room, get extra show.
999
01:01:52,813 --> 01:01:55,640
And then when you can't do that, become a member and you get the bootleg.
1000
01:01:56,052 --> 01:01:57,880
Clocking in an hour 43-ish right now.
1001
01:01:58,641 --> 01:02:01,306
Lots of content in there for them, just for them. Either way,
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we just really appreciate you listening.
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01:02:03,163 --> 01:02:06,986
Shows clocking in on like 13 years or something like that. You don't get there
1004
01:02:06,986 --> 01:02:08,763
without a great audience and a great community.
1005
01:02:09,210 --> 01:02:12,659
Regardless if they're in the live room or not, we really appreciate you.
1006
01:02:13,164 --> 01:02:16,686
go get the show notes all that linuxunplugged.com thank you so much for joining
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01:02:16,686 --> 01:02:20,876
us on this week's episode of your unplugged program and we'll see you right
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01:02:20,876 --> 01:02:26,393
back here next Tuesday as in Sunday.