Man On Fire

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Hello and welcome to Light Camera Aggro.
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The podcast with two friends, one film, and very little agreements.
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I'm Phil and the bullet never lies.
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And I'm Nikki, and I'm just a professional.
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This week it's Phil's turn to share a movie he loves, and today he's bought the 2004 film Man on Fire.
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It all helps.
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All that will come soon enough, but first, how's your week been?
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I'm loving this week because it's back to work, back to school, back to some semblance of routine.
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We're recording this the earlier part of September.
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I think this will come out maybe end of September.
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Don't know, it doesn't matter.
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But it's early September now.
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So I'm writing my next book, or I'm at least thinking about my next book, I'm making notes, and I'm wearing a jumper.
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Because that's the best fit.
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And it was raining yesterday.
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Not today, but it still feels like there's been a drop in temperature.
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Kids are going back to school.
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Everything feels kind of like I'm back on.
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I'm back in control.
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I'm back in control.
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You're in control of your life?
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I'm in control of my life, and I haven't been since really May.
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As much as I've had to-do lists and things I've had to get up for, it's been very loosey-goosey, and now it feels yes, I'm back on that.
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Treadmill is the wrong phrase, because that's makes it sound like it's an arduous task.
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But I'm back on the routine that will take the next two years of this book, and I'm kind of I love it when there's structure.
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Nice.
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So that's I'm feeling great, but it is just because it's September.
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Very nice.
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How about you?
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I've been embarrassing myself on national television.
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Good, good, good.
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Explain.
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So when I obviously go on Sky Sports every now and again to talk about my beloved Everton, I name dropped a player whose hair had cut without even thinking about it.
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It just happened, it just came out.
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It feels like it's a doctor explaining a treatment that he's given to a patient and naming them.
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This is what it feels like.
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Well, it's not because like I don't sign any NDAs.
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I think you should, you know, yeah, a name dropped it.
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They loved it, they loved it on Sky.
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Yeah, not the player, the the presenters.
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Yeah, it was a long time ago.
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They loved it, they were like one anchor drop and all this and stuff.
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I just went got red, and I was like, why is this coming out my mouth?
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But anywhere who's seen it just said it did that, I was alright.
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It wasn't, you know, it was fine and stuff.
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But just in my head, I was like, oh no.
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How are you feeling, seeing as we're on the topic?
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How do you feel that our new Prime Minister is literally the biggest Everton fan ever and talks about them as much as he can?
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And seems a genuine fan.
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He's not just giving it large.
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Yeah, he goes to the game.
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I know I know you've seen him at the game.
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I've seen him at Everton, isn't this funny?
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I walked past him at Goodison Park once a few years ago.
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Yeah, it's you know he is a legit fan, but is it is it cool to have the Prime Minister split.
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Of course it is, because if we're doing shite, he can change legislation to make it so that way better.
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I saw um footage of him at the first match back arriving.
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Yeah, the sad thing about it, like because he's now elevated to private, he can't go the game like him normally did because he I do feel sad.
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I feel sad for Kirst Artman not being able to do that with Arsenal ever again as well.
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He's always gonna have to have a bunch of security around him.
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Yeah, so a genuine fan.
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When you knew a genuine fan, you know, I think was it David Cameron who couldn't he'd said on one thing he was West Ham supporter, and another thing he'd said a different one, and he kind of obviously didn't give a shit about it after.
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Just no football at the end.
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No football at all.
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And obviously, if he goes to a match because it's some like reason to do a bit of a photo op, he doesn't care where he sits and he'll be in the fancy box.
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But I do feel sorry for like Andy Burnham and Kirst Armour.
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He will never be able to go to Arsenal properly again.
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He'll always have to be a bunch of security around him, probably a box, not with the fans, not in his seat.
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And Andy Burnham's the same.
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But I also feel sorry for the fans who are around him because I'm I'm guessing they've had to move people out of seats for the security to be in those seats around them.
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But he's not that's the point.
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The first match back here was in a box, he wasn't allowed to be in his seat because he would have had to move everybody in that and Andy said, I'll come Andy, Andy, you made Andy.
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According to reports, he'd said it's too much hassle, don't want to do that.
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Okay, I'll go in the box.
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Which could also be his sort of way of looking like this is why I'm in a box, because I was trying to be a good person.
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So I'm not trying to like make it sound like he's man of the people, but you know, it would have been a massive upheaval for all the people he's sat around for years, years.
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It's been open for two years, hasn't it?
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Well, yeah, and I just obviously we just moved stadium, so so yeah, it's it's good.
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I think it's good, and it's and it puts a bit more publicity.
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I think it's really funny because it's just yeah, it's niche, he's northern and he's an Evertonian.
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This is like my entire family base, it's so funny.
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Anyway, before we start, remember this is going to be full of spoilers.
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If you haven't seen Man on Fire, now's the time to pause the pod and come back when you're done.
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We'll be waiting.
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Okay, Phil, why did you choose Man on Fire?
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So, Denzel Washington, I think, is my favourite actor of all time.
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I don't think I've ever seen him in a bad movie.
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For everything he's in, he elevates the movie.
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This the film itself, you know, I I love the film.
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It's heartwarming in places and then it goes quite dark.
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It's it's just a revenge movie in the end, you know.
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The the relationship between him and Peter works really well.
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And I think Dakota Fanning is just amazing in this film.
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You know, how young she was, her acting ability was off the chart, and I think that relationship building between Creasy and Peter at the beginning was just unreal.
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Really, really enjoy this film.
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Okay.
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Um I had never seen it, and I probably never heard it.
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I had never heard of it, and it is interesting because I'm not I don't live in a you know vacuum.
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I am usually aware of things that are out in the cinema, even if it's not stuff I'm gonna watch, and yet I just had never heard of it.
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I don't disagree with you about um Denzel Washington, I think he's a great actor.
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I'll talk about Dakota Fanning as we go along, but you know, exceptional is the word.
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But yeah, I just had no clue about this film at all.
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Didn't really you told me it was a thriller, so okay, that's fine.
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I don't mind a thriller, don't mind that at all.
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So didn't really have any preconceptions.
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All I will say is I've never seen Dakota Fanning act as a child.
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I know she had been a child actor, never seen her be a child in anything.
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I've only ever seen her as an adult, but I know that she's good.
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And the only other preconception I had when I looked it up was that it was it's again, it's a bit like aliens.
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It was an 18, it's two and a half hours.
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And I think I've just I was na I'm naturally put off 18s, it's weird, or at least the 18s I watch tend not to be because of violence, they tend to be because of like sex or some like you know dark emotional turbulence or something.
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But this it's violent, and yeah, I can see why it's an 18, and that tends to turn me off.
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So those you know, those are my preconceptions.
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Um, if I've been scrolling looking for a film, probably wouldn't have chosen it based on the synopsis, but you know, I was open-minded more than a bit more than other films you brought to it that way.
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It's all set in space, thank God.
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This the script for this had knocked around Hollywood for like 20 years before getting made, and it had other actors attached to it, Robert Deval at one point, Marlon Brando playing Peter.
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No, you nearly got me there, you nearly got me Marlon Brando and Robert De Niro, which I think if any of them actors would have made it or you know, to to make this film, it would have been a completely different experience by obviously how they act.
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You know, the Val would be completely different to our Denzel Washington's De Niro.
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I think it'd just be a bit more of an angrier movie.
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Um Brando, God knows what Brando would be turning off.
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Yeah, but Denzel, he's got that touch of softness to him, that touch of he's a psychopath at the same time.
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Interesting.
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Yeah, I've yeah, okay.
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I didn't think I thought he was a psychopath.
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Okay, we'll we'll dig into that as we go along.
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So, shall we start?
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Let's go for it.
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So you start off with some scenes of the cartels, basically kidnapping kids.
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So it's setting it up, and it's you know, saying there's so many kidnappings in Mexico.
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I can tell you the quote: it's one kidnapping every 60 minutes in Latin America.
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70% of the victims do not survive.
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Yeah, it's grim.
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Yeah, and that's an actual I don't even know it's an actual scene.
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I'm assuming for the film they didn't make that up, but who knows?
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And there's ransoms, and you see, you see the ransom getting paid, the kid getting returned.
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They actually in this scene, you see like the kid get his ear cut off.
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You do.
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Is it a kid?
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Well, it's like it's like a grown-up kid, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah.
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It's not a little kid.
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It's horrible, it's horrible, horrible, horrible, but it does show you what you're going to be dealing with as you keep going.
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It just it just lays the line of what's what's gonna happen.
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What is I think is good as well about that though, is it's set up the way a lot of bits are filmed in this, which is very sort of I don't know the right technical term, lots of sort of quick, flashy, sh short, sharp snippets, all kind of juxtaposed all kind of juxtaposed, that's how you say it.
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And it does mean you're not literally watching somebody in one scene have their hair cut off.
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You're seeing a quick burst, and then you freeze on their face, and then you stop, and then you see it.
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Just feels like it's they've made it slightly more palatable or slightly scarier because it's so fast-paced.
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Yeah, and you don't really like in terms of the violence in the film, you don't see a lot of it happen because it just flashes quick.
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It's flashing, that's what it's like.
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I think like I love the way this is filmed, I love the grain to the movie, I love the the light and setting, the colour grain.
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I think it just looks fantastic.
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I think some of the music in it is fantastic, you know, the guitar playing of the Latin American, a few of the songs that come into the movie.
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I think it's it just sets it really, really well.
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So we see Chrissy for the first time, Denzel Washington, yeah, and he's travelling into Mexico and he looks unkept.
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Unkempt, even that as well, and he's daydrinking, he's day drinking, his beards, but he's not got a beard where it's a nice tidy beard, it just looks like it's just grown, it's just left, his hair's not short, it's you know, it's just he's just very disheveled.
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Yeah, he's very disheveled going through something, and he's heading into Mexico, and I think he's looking for work.
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He he he meets up with his friend Paul, Christopher Walken.
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Christopher Walken.
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I love Christopher Walken, Walken, even him as well, is that love's mate, um, and he he starts speaking and he's how are you doing?
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And you know, he says about his drinking and and he's got a drink problem.
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Christopher Walken says he you come down here, it's like paradise.
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He said you can live like like a god down here.
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And I at this point in time, because obviously I've seen Christopher Walken do a bunch of stuff.
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I'm thinking, well, this guy's obviously Dodge, and he's in this kind of he's got this barbecue, and he's uh in my head, he's wearing a fl a flowery Hawaiian shirt, quite remember if he is, but he's basically living the life.
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He's got lots of women around in a put in bikinis.
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Yeah, it's very, you know, the good times are rolling.
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So I'm assuming that they've he's done some.
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I'm just assuming he's like a gangster, is what I'm assuming.
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I don't know.
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But also, but also the line, there's a line that's muttered by Denzel.
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Yeah.
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Do you think God will ever forgive us for the things we've done?
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Yeah.
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So it implies that they've They've done some shit.
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Yeah.
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Now, it doesn't really say what what they were, does it?
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So I I think they were like CIA deep undercover operatives or something like that.
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You see, it it's it could go either way, and they never really tell us, at least I missed it if they did.
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It could be that they are absolute wrongans who kind of have been, you know, killing people and being breaking the law, left, right, and centre.
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Or it could be that they've been hired in like they're in an army capacity or a soldier, and so they've done some shit because their country has sent them to do it, which means it's not sitting well on Silly Denzel's shoulders, but it was legal, there's been no court.
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So so I would back that.
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Is that what you're saying?
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Yeah, because he produces some credentials when he becomes a bodyguard.
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Yeah.
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So, you know, if he was just like a gangster, he wouldn't have nothing to produce.
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Which we'll get on to the next scene now where we see the dad Ramos.
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Ramos and Mickey Rourke's character.
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It took me ages to realise that was Mickey Rourke.
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Yeah.
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It blew my mind.
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I'd seen the IMDB list and I knew he was in it, and then I was watching that scene for ages, and I wanted to look up what the dad's name was.
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Yeah.
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And then I saw it from Mickey Rourke, and it blew my mind, and I realised that I've only ever seen two Mickey Rourke films.
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One was nine and a half weeks, where he's a young, attractive, younger, I keep saying young way, that's passenger bassinger.
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Messenger Basinger.
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Yeah, it's he's he just is I don't know, is he his 20s?
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And the only other one I've seen is the wrestler, and he's like what 50 odd, 60, and has had a lot of work done, and it's all he looks very different, he's got a different body shape, everything's different about him.
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And so this guy here is kind of in the middle of those two extremes, and I did not recognise him.
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Yeah, fair play, good for him, didn't recognise him.
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But I it's been a while since I'd watched this, yeah.
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And I forgot about Mickey Rock being in it.
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Yeah, I mean it's a small part, yeah.
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Small but important, yeah, yeah.
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And he's he's with the dad, Ramos, and he's his lawyer, and he's recommending getting a bodyguard so that for the kid, yeah, so that the daughter, Peter, can go back to school.
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Yeah, and everybody now in Mexico City is worrying about their kids being snatched, it's a whole thing, yeah, it's an epidemic of it all.
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So, flashback to Christopher Walken Paul, he's telling Denzel Washington that go to this bodyguard job, and then Denzel's talking about his drinking problem, he says you just need to cut down or it can be a half-assed bodyguard basically, and he's like, just do your best, but no one's the money they're paying, no one's expecting you to do well.
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Yeah, because they're haggling over the money, or they say just pay cheap, just so you've got a bodyguard.
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It's more just for the insurance policy rather than for actually um the safety.
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Yeah, so he gets introduced for the first time to Peter, and then she takes him to where his sleeping quarters will be, and then and she's asking questions and introducing him to the the pool guy, the water, the gardener, and she just knows everything.
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She just seems to be on top of everything, yeah and aware of everything that's going on.
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She's uh she's an old kid, yeah.
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She's an old soul and a young body.
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We see that we see later that that evening Chrissy's still drinking and it's not going well.
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He tries to catch a bullet out of a gun, not fired out of a gun, where where they just jack it back and the bullet pops out, and his his reflexes aren't quick enough to catch it.
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So it's showing that he's not sharp enough anymore.
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He's lost, he's lost a little bit.
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What I was gonna say earlier was you when he's at the barbecue talking to uh Christopher Walker, he and you were talking about him being unkempt, and he is.
00:15:02.399 --> 00:15:05.039
He's also got a thing that he he's doing really well.
00:15:05.120 --> 00:15:08.720
He's he's sort of he's scrunching his eyes a bit like he can't bear to be in the light.
00:15:08.879 --> 00:15:09.120
Yeah.
00:15:09.279 --> 00:15:23.919
He sort of looks like he's it's I don't know, is that because he's really bladded, or is it because he's just so sort of living in depressed and so down and so can't bear I just thought it was a nice choice, an actor choice to be so he can't even look properly, he's got his eyes really screwed up.
00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:28.480
Did they forget to mention that when he turns off for the job interview, he's clean-shaven, his hair is cut enough.
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He looks good.
00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:36.000
And he also when the wife is it well it's Rhoda Mitchell is the actress, but his wife, is it Lisa?
00:15:36.080 --> 00:15:36.240
Yeah.
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Lisa.
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When Lisa says do you want a drink?
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And he goes, Yeah, Jack and Water or whatever.
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And so and he'd already said to the dad, Ramos, well, something like why why I can't remember how it came up, but he says in the car, like, Well, what's what's the problem?
00:15:48.720 --> 00:15:49.759
And he goes, It's my drinking.
00:15:49.919 --> 00:15:52.559
He admits that he's got a drink problem, then accepts a drink.
00:15:52.639 --> 00:16:00.960
So none of this is secret, and I think it's I ever I don't know if the mum recognises this, but everyone else knows this is not the best bodyguard they could possibly have.
00:16:01.519 --> 00:16:01.840
Yeah.
00:16:02.080 --> 00:16:08.720
So he takes the Peter to school for the first time, and she keeps asking questions, and he's he's he can't answer them.
00:16:08.799 --> 00:16:11.039
He needs to do his job, he needs to concentrate.
00:16:11.200 --> 00:16:16.399
And she said the last bodyguard left, and then the 26 kidnappings in the last six days.
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She knows the stats.
00:16:17.759 --> 00:16:19.840
Yeah, she's gonna be scary that, hasn't it?
00:16:19.919 --> 00:16:25.120
It's gotta be scary for kids living in those types of areas, posh kids in those types of areas, knowing what's going on.
00:16:25.360 --> 00:16:26.159
Yeah, yeah.
00:16:26.320 --> 00:16:27.120
I mean, yeah.
00:16:27.279 --> 00:16:34.799
I just I found uh Peter's character and Dakota Fanning's portrayal of her utterly charming.
00:16:34.960 --> 00:16:36.320
Yeah, beguiling.
00:16:36.399 --> 00:16:37.679
I was so impressed with her.
00:16:37.919 --> 00:16:42.559
Yeah, and like you say, the war between that grows and very sweet.
00:16:42.799 --> 00:16:46.159
So when he gets to the school, the head nun questions his profession.
00:16:46.399 --> 00:16:47.039
Head nun.
00:16:47.120 --> 00:16:47.279
Yeah.
00:16:47.440 --> 00:16:49.919
But she is the head nun, she's the head master, isn't she, of the school?
00:16:50.080 --> 00:16:51.279
She's definitely not the headmaster.
00:16:51.360 --> 00:16:53.200
Why do you say master when it's mistress?
00:16:53.440 --> 00:16:54.720
Well, she's well, we don't know that.
00:16:54.799 --> 00:16:57.519
We just she's the yeah, she seems to be in authority.
00:16:57.679 --> 00:17:02.320
He calls her Mary, like mother, and he said, I'm the sheep that got lost, Mary.
00:17:02.480 --> 00:17:06.559
Yeah, and then she quotes us the line out of the Bible and he finishes the quote for her.
00:17:06.799 --> 00:17:06.960
Yeah.
00:17:07.200 --> 00:17:11.920
So and I think that builds her a little bit, yeah, between her, so she she gets him a little bit of trust.
00:17:12.000 --> 00:17:13.039
No, he's not just a wrong.
00:17:13.279 --> 00:17:13.680
Yeah, yeah.
00:17:13.839 --> 00:17:18.559
Well, Chris picks it up from school and she asks him, Do you like school when you're a kid?
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And he goes, I can't remember.
00:17:20.160 --> 00:17:21.680
He's shutting her down all the time.
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And then she keeps asking questions and it makes him uncomfortable.
00:17:26.160 --> 00:17:29.920
He says, I'm paid to protect you and answer questions, no crying.
00:17:30.079 --> 00:17:30.480
Yeah.
00:17:30.720 --> 00:17:32.240
And she gets out of the car from the front.
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She was not crying, can we say that?
00:17:34.880 --> 00:17:38.400
She jumps out the car on the front seat, and I thought she's gonna run away.
00:17:38.799 --> 00:17:40.880
Yeah, and it's no, she just gets in the back seat.
00:17:40.960 --> 00:17:44.720
So I'm basically you're protecting me, so we're not friends, I'll sit in the back.
00:17:44.880 --> 00:17:46.160
Which I liked her power move.
00:17:46.240 --> 00:17:50.640
Yeah, but also this scene was really tense because obviously she's a word starts, we're all aware.
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There's no doubt where this film is going.
00:17:53.279 --> 00:17:56.240
Yeah, we know this kid is getting kidnapped, there's no doubt about it.
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100%.
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Stressful.
00:17:58.400 --> 00:17:59.599
For me, that was stressful.
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And this scene was stressful because as they're kind of they're in traffic, so he's not able to move freely, and then they're stopped, and there's like clowns juggling, and there's someone comes and does his wipers, and he just doesn't know this.
00:18:09.680 --> 00:18:10.319
Could be stressful, yeah.
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It's getting busier and busier and busier, and it's horrible.
00:18:13.119 --> 00:18:19.279
And there's people all around the car, so when she jumps out, because he's pissed her off, and she's going, No, fuck you, and he she goes in the back.
00:18:19.519 --> 00:18:21.599
You do think, Oh my god, she's gonna get snatched.
00:18:21.759 --> 00:18:26.559
No, she doesn't this time, but it just there's this heightened sense of tension.
00:18:27.359 --> 00:18:28.640
It was within me the whole time.
00:18:28.880 --> 00:18:30.400
I was so tense watching this.
00:18:30.480 --> 00:18:38.319
Yeah, I did feel a bit sick because I'm like I say, the it it's not it's not a criticism to say it was obvious where this was going.
00:18:38.480 --> 00:18:39.200
This is a thriller.
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There are beats, we can recognise them.
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It just was they were really loud beats.
00:18:43.519 --> 00:18:45.680
Yeah, I was knowing where we were headed.
00:18:46.240 --> 00:18:48.880
The thing as this progresses a little bit, right?
00:18:49.200 --> 00:18:54.960
The beats calm down a little bit, and you kind of forget, and then you're lulled into a false sense of security.
00:18:55.119 --> 00:18:57.359
But this point I found very stressful this scene.
00:18:57.440 --> 00:19:13.039
Yeah, so the mum comes in, Lisa, and she starts having a conversation with them about has he got anything he needs, you know, conversation and food, and we read the Bible, and she asks how he's doing with Peter, and he says, We'll be fine, she just needs to realise her bodyguard.
00:19:13.279 --> 00:19:16.160
And Lisa says she just wants to be friends.
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I know she's confident he'll protect her and she'll go and make things a little bit better.
00:19:22.480 --> 00:19:24.880
I know, it's awkward, yeah, but yeah.
00:19:25.119 --> 00:19:27.359
This is Rhoda Mitchell, the mum.
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Yeah.
00:19:27.920 --> 00:19:28.640
From Neighbours.
00:19:28.880 --> 00:19:29.039
Right.
00:19:29.200 --> 00:19:29.279
Oh.
00:19:29.519 --> 00:19:30.400
Yeah, she's Elsie.
00:19:30.640 --> 00:19:31.680
I knew you'd recognize her.
00:19:31.839 --> 00:19:34.160
I mean, she's been in loads of uh and she has a long career.
00:19:34.400 --> 00:19:36.559
I was thinking, like But I remember her from Neighbours.
00:19:36.799 --> 00:19:39.680
I didn't look up who it was, I was thinking, is this one of the archets?
00:19:40.160 --> 00:19:41.599
No, no, no, no, no, no.
00:19:42.079 --> 00:19:48.480
And that and there's there's another film that I get this mixed up with a little bit, which is a Jason Staten movie.
00:19:48.640 --> 00:19:55.440
I think it's The Transporter 2, and it's a similar kind of story, but I think the mum tries to kiss Jason Staten.
00:19:55.680 --> 00:19:55.920
I was kidding.
00:19:56.079 --> 00:19:58.240
And I was waiting for this to happen, but it didn't.
00:19:58.640 --> 00:19:59.680
I wondered if that was a thing.
00:19:59.920 --> 00:20:02.960
I forgot, I forgot, like you say, get the two films mixed up in my head.
00:20:03.200 --> 00:20:10.880
What we should say, or I noted, was it was after you know uh Creasy's first arrived at the house, and he's you know, that's he's uh employed.
00:20:11.039 --> 00:20:16.799
You do see a scene where Ramos and Lisa are together and they have a little snog, yeah, and it's a happy family.
00:20:16.880 --> 00:20:18.000
Yeah, it's a happy family.
00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:19.519
They've got crazy money, you know.
00:20:19.599 --> 00:20:25.440
They've they've hired the dad's hired a half-ass bodyguard potentially, but it's a happy family, the kid seems happy.
00:20:25.599 --> 00:20:32.400
It's yeah, you know, it's that's it's sort of yeah, it's a nice thing to point out because obviously some stuff's not going to be happy that happens.
00:20:32.640 --> 00:20:33.279
Exactly.
00:20:33.519 --> 00:20:38.559
He puts some music on in his in his little pad, and he's got is it a parrot?
00:20:38.720 --> 00:20:39.200
Little parrot.
00:20:39.440 --> 00:20:41.920
Is it some sort of bird the last bodyguard left?
00:20:42.079 --> 00:20:43.839
Yeah, and he just lets it go.
00:20:43.920 --> 00:20:44.880
He can't be arsed, can he?
00:20:45.039 --> 00:20:51.519
It's making too much noise, but he's drinking and he starts having a few flashbacks from the past, and he he takes a gun.
00:20:51.759 --> 00:20:57.519
This is again the sort of the flashes of bits of film, bits of fragments of memories of previous things.
00:20:57.759 --> 00:21:00.000
Yeah, it's all quick, it's very quick, quickly successful.
00:21:00.319 --> 00:21:01.279
So you don't see any detail.
00:21:01.519 --> 00:21:04.240
No, you'd have to pause it to see what actually was going on.
00:21:04.480 --> 00:21:06.880
It's just the vibes it gives you, which is effective.
00:21:07.279 --> 00:21:12.000
So you he puts a gun to his head and he pulls the trigger, yeah, it doesn't go off.
00:21:12.160 --> 00:21:14.640
No, you know, but that's where he's at.
00:21:14.799 --> 00:21:15.200
Yeah.
00:21:15.359 --> 00:21:16.880
He's he's at his lowest ebb.
00:21:16.960 --> 00:21:17.200
Yeah.
00:21:17.440 --> 00:21:24.480
And then he calls his friend and he asks his friend Paul, have you ever had nine millimeter round knock go off?
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His friend just says the bullet tells the truth.
00:21:27.680 --> 00:21:32.240
I liked how he's woken up at this is where I started to think, oh, maybe Paul isn't a wrong one.
00:21:32.559 --> 00:21:35.519
He was woken up from being asleep with his wife and kid.
00:21:35.680 --> 00:21:36.000
Yeah.
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And he's he's calm and he listens.
00:21:39.920 --> 00:21:41.920
And at one point he goes, What were you shooting at?
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You know.
00:21:42.640 --> 00:21:43.519
Yeah, do you think he knows?
00:21:43.759 --> 00:21:44.319
Do you think he knows?
00:21:44.640 --> 00:21:44.880
Absolutely.
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Yes, he knows.
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And he he knows not to push, but he's just gentle with him.
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And then, you know, he listens.
00:21:51.920 --> 00:21:54.960
I just thought I'd daddy so says to him so sorry, did a wake in.
00:21:55.039 --> 00:21:56.319
He goes, No, I was just watching the tally.
00:21:56.720 --> 00:21:59.759
I felt like he's a nice guy here, and it showed that.
00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:00.720
He was nice.
00:22:00.799 --> 00:22:01.039
Yeah.
00:22:01.200 --> 00:22:04.880
And they'd had I think this is one of the rare occasions where he is a nice guy.
00:22:05.039 --> 00:22:13.279
I read this in IMDB trivia, so you know, disclaimer, it could be shite, but this he took this role, Christopher Walken, because he wanted to not play a bad guy for a while.
00:22:13.519 --> 00:22:15.440
And so, but it's still kind of an edgy guy.
00:22:15.519 --> 00:22:16.960
Yeah, because there's still stuff we don't know about him.
00:22:17.200 --> 00:22:18.799
I think the thing is Christopher Walken.
00:22:19.119 --> 00:22:19.359
Walken.
00:22:19.599 --> 00:22:19.839
Walken.
00:22:20.079 --> 00:22:20.799
I mean, I'm gonna keep correct.
00:22:21.200 --> 00:22:22.720
That's alright, I'll keep saying it wrong.
00:22:23.359 --> 00:22:28.000
Um I think whenever he plays any character, they're always gonna be edgy, it's just his.
00:22:28.160 --> 00:22:30.559
He's got such a cool face, yeah, and a voice.
00:22:30.720 --> 00:22:32.480
I know, it's just yeah, it's very good.
00:22:32.559 --> 00:22:33.200
I know, it's very good.
00:22:33.680 --> 00:22:40.160
So after he's gets off the phone with Paul, he looks up in the rain and he sees Peter looking at him out the window and she smiles.
00:22:40.319 --> 00:22:40.960
Yeah.
00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:43.599
So the next day in the car, it's all quiet.
00:22:43.680 --> 00:22:46.079
The mum's there, Leo's a car following him.
00:22:46.240 --> 00:22:52.640
So he asks for a pencil off Peter, and he writes down the reg, but she also takes down part as well.
00:22:52.960 --> 00:22:53.759
She is no fool.
00:22:53.920 --> 00:22:55.359
Yeah, she's sharp as anything.
00:22:55.519 --> 00:22:56.319
She's dead clever.
00:22:56.400 --> 00:23:01.519
Now I wrote here, and this is literally the kind of my thoughts spilling out as we get to this point.
00:23:01.680 --> 00:23:06.559
If they're gonna harm or kill Dakota Fanning when she's this level of street smarts and cool, I'll be livid.
00:23:06.799 --> 00:23:07.839
I just couldn't handle it.
00:23:07.920 --> 00:23:09.440
There was such a pair to be livid.
00:23:09.599 --> 00:23:12.480
Yeah, I know there was such a sense of inevitability about it.
00:23:12.559 --> 00:23:15.920
It's this creeping tension that I found almost suffocating.
00:23:16.079 --> 00:23:23.680
I wasn't I was enjoying the film as in, I didn't want to turn it off, but I was not enjoying the film because I felt so anxious at this point, really anxious that this was coming.
00:23:23.920 --> 00:23:26.960
And they're building it up, they're building up this anxious sort of tense.
00:23:27.519 --> 00:23:31.839
But from from this point now, the film takes a different turn.
00:23:31.920 --> 00:23:32.160
Yeah.
00:23:32.319 --> 00:23:33.839
Because the swimming girl happens.
00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:34.480
Oh, yeah.
00:23:34.720 --> 00:23:36.559
You know, so swim meet.
00:23:36.960 --> 00:23:44.720
He you know, he he spots that she's a strong swimmer and he spots that she's best in class, but she's not quick off the mark.
00:23:44.799 --> 00:23:46.640
She firing her gun frightens her.
00:23:46.880 --> 00:23:47.680
She's frightened of the gun.
00:23:47.920 --> 00:23:48.880
She's frightened of it.
00:23:49.279 --> 00:23:50.960
But he says he says, You're a strong swimmer.
00:23:51.119 --> 00:23:52.720
She replies, I never win though.
00:23:53.039 --> 00:23:53.440
Yeah.
00:23:54.079 --> 00:23:58.799
So they have a conversation about being off the block at the start.
00:23:59.359 --> 00:24:00.960
He helps her with starting.
00:24:01.119 --> 00:24:05.839
He starts it with bricks, rubbing bricks together and banging bricks, and and he builds it up.
00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:10.799
He really, really builds it up, and he helps her overcome the sound the sound of firing.
00:24:10.960 --> 00:24:16.000
And you can see as these next few scenes go, there's a relationship building between them.
00:24:16.160 --> 00:24:18.000
The gunshot hold no holds no fear.
00:24:18.160 --> 00:24:19.279
The gunshot holds no fear.
00:24:19.519 --> 00:24:20.720
The gunshot holds no fear.
00:24:20.880 --> 00:24:23.039
Yeah, he's become a swim coach at this point.
00:24:23.200 --> 00:24:25.119
And she sees him smiling for the first time.
00:24:25.359 --> 00:24:26.319
It's a funny scene.
00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:26.559
Yeah.
00:24:26.720 --> 00:24:28.160
I read that it was all out-libbed.
00:24:28.400 --> 00:24:28.640
Yeah.
00:24:28.799 --> 00:24:30.319
Yeah, because she's laughing her head off.
00:24:30.400 --> 00:24:30.559
Yeah.
00:24:30.720 --> 00:24:31.519
I really liked that.
00:24:31.599 --> 00:24:31.920
Yeah.
00:24:32.079 --> 00:24:34.400
And he's doing he's helping her with the homework and all kinds.
00:24:34.640 --> 00:24:40.000
Yeah, he's doing the homework, and the mum looks and she can see this little relationship building up.
00:24:40.240 --> 00:24:45.039
There's a bit just before because he's doing all this swimming training when the mum and dad have gone away for a few days.
00:24:45.200 --> 00:24:46.319
Yeah, so it's just him and her.
00:24:46.480 --> 00:24:48.480
Just him and her and all of the staff, let's face it.
00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:50.000
Yeah, no, not in that way.
00:24:50.319 --> 00:24:51.440
All the staff are there too.
00:24:51.680 --> 00:25:02.160
So the parents go away, but there was a point where the dads they sort of say goodbye, and the dad looks back from the car in the back seat of the car as he's being driven away at Peter kind of waving or whatever.
00:25:02.319 --> 00:25:04.400
And I thought, oh, he looks guilty.
00:25:04.720 --> 00:25:05.920
Has he set something up here?
00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:06.559
Do you know what I mean?
00:25:06.720 --> 00:25:08.799
And I just then I thought, oh, I've got my eye on you.
00:25:08.960 --> 00:25:09.839
Oh, interesting.
00:25:10.000 --> 00:25:10.960
Yeah, it's interesting.
00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:17.279
Yeah, I just so we get to the proper big swimming gala, and her parents are away.
00:25:17.440 --> 00:25:19.200
So he he obviously has to take her.
00:25:19.519 --> 00:25:21.359
The head nun comes over, yeah.
00:25:21.759 --> 00:25:25.200
And he speaks, he's speaking to saying, Oh, the mum and dad are away.
00:25:25.279 --> 00:25:27.039
He says, I'm just here to to observe.
00:25:27.200 --> 00:25:28.799
She says, No, today you're a father.
00:25:29.039 --> 00:25:30.559
Yeah, what a head fuck.
00:25:30.799 --> 00:25:35.200
And it it was like something went off in his head, he realised the responsibility he had.
00:25:35.440 --> 00:25:43.680
There was a little bit, I think it wasn't at the girl, it was just before, but there's a bit, and it does go into a little slow motion second, which is sort of makes us recognise it.
00:25:43.839 --> 00:25:52.160
Where she gets out of the pool after doing a whole bunch of training, and he just kind of pats her head as she walks past, and it just shows he's no longer detached.
00:25:52.240 --> 00:25:55.519
Yeah, he's not just the bodyguard, he's now become her friend.
00:25:55.599 --> 00:25:59.119
Yeah, or he now cares for her, he cares about the person he's now protecting.
00:25:59.279 --> 00:25:59.599
Exactly.
00:25:59.759 --> 00:26:07.839
And we know from the bodyguard when Kevin Carson and Whitney Houston get together, that's when she becomes it's the weakness in the whole armour.
00:26:07.920 --> 00:26:14.000
You know, I just I found it I found it very sweet, but also, uh oh, this is gonna cause problems.
00:26:14.160 --> 00:26:18.079
Yeah, and she she wins the gala, obviously, because she's trained by Chrissy.
00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:21.599
He said he says you're now trained, so you know how to win.
00:26:21.759 --> 00:26:21.920
Yeah.
00:26:22.079 --> 00:26:23.200
And and she does win it.
00:26:23.359 --> 00:26:24.079
Yeah, she does.
00:26:24.240 --> 00:26:27.440
But later that night, Creasy picks up his bottle of whiskey.
00:26:27.519 --> 00:26:30.160
It's J Day, and he looks at it and he puts it down.
00:26:30.400 --> 00:26:31.680
He's got a purpose again.
00:26:31.839 --> 00:26:32.160
Yeah.
00:26:32.400 --> 00:26:33.839
He's got a friend, yeah.
00:26:34.079 --> 00:26:36.000
You know, and it's it's like mad, isn't it?
00:26:36.079 --> 00:26:37.680
You know, it's she's 10, isn't it?
00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:40.720
Uh the act Dakota Fanning was 10 when they this came out.
00:26:40.880 --> 00:26:41.039
Yeah.
00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:44.400
So she's like 10, a 10-year-old girl.
00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:46.480
Give him purpose again.
00:26:46.799 --> 00:26:50.880
There's the bit where I think it's after the swimming girl, because it's not the parents, aren't there?
00:26:50.960 --> 00:26:54.319
When Chrissy takes her out for food with Christopher Walken and his family.
00:26:54.559 --> 00:26:55.200
Poor I know.
00:26:55.279 --> 00:26:57.599
I just yeah, he's always Christopher Walken, isn't he?
00:26:58.160 --> 00:26:59.759
Christopher Walken, Walker.
00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:02.880
And it is sweet, it's fun.
00:27:02.960 --> 00:27:04.319
It's she's laughing her head off.
00:27:04.400 --> 00:27:06.400
Christopher Walken's funny, the family of love with the game.
00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:10.720
Everyone's having the best time, like old mate, like two families getting together.
00:27:11.119 --> 00:27:12.559
And it's when Peter gives in the St.
00:27:12.799 --> 00:27:13.200
Jude.
00:27:13.279 --> 00:27:16.240
I'm not trying to rush ahead because it is about this point.
00:27:16.880 --> 00:27:23.039
It's incredibly moving because it's not just him feeling sort of a connection with her, she now feels connection with him.
00:27:23.119 --> 00:27:26.400
So he's getting this sort of a sense of friendship back.
00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:37.039
But I've got to tell you, at this point, I could not cope with the anxiety anymore, and I Googled Wikipedia plot to check to check that she survives the film.
00:27:37.119 --> 00:27:40.079
And I didn't read anything in the middle, I just watched read the last little paragraph.
00:27:40.160 --> 00:27:46.960
There's some bits I didn't even understand what was going on in the last paragraph because I just was scanning it quickly to find out, and I saw that she survives the film.
00:27:47.279 --> 00:27:52.640
And I spoiler ahead we talk about sports at the beginning, so I'm but this was the point where I just could not bear.
00:27:53.200 --> 00:27:54.160
I didn't know first time.
00:27:54.319 --> 00:27:57.200
Yeah, I could not bear to watch this film.
00:27:58.480 --> 00:28:00.960
It just felt I was so stressed.
00:28:01.119 --> 00:28:08.960
Yeah, I would have turned it off had it not been for this pod, but actually, maybe at this point by now, maybe I wouldn't have turned it off because I would have wanted to just keep watching.
00:28:09.039 --> 00:28:09.359
Yeah.
00:28:09.599 --> 00:28:12.000
But I was just, I just it was doing my head in.
00:28:12.079 --> 00:28:14.160
I felt proper stomach churning anxiety.
00:28:14.319 --> 00:28:18.400
So at this point I had the spoiler, which I can understand was probably more of a thing later.
00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:20.640
A bigger, it's a bigger reveal later on.
00:28:20.720 --> 00:28:21.279
Yeah, yeah.
00:28:21.519 --> 00:28:22.799
We'll talk about that when you get to it.
00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:25.200
But yeah, I just needed to tell you that was where I was at this point.
00:28:25.359 --> 00:28:25.599
Yeah.
00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:27.920
So he takes her to piano lessons.
00:28:28.079 --> 00:28:28.720
Yes.
00:28:28.960 --> 00:28:31.200
And he says to the piano teacher, how long?
00:28:31.440 --> 00:28:32.319
says one hour.
00:28:32.559 --> 00:28:39.039
As that hour kind of comes to an end, he notices just two police cars block either side of the road.
00:28:39.279 --> 00:28:40.400
Immediately dodgy.
00:28:40.720 --> 00:28:42.000
He knows something's going down.
00:28:42.319 --> 00:28:43.200
He's ahead of the game.
00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:47.680
Peter comes out, and then all of a sudden, he spots the cartel, would you say the cartel?
00:28:47.920 --> 00:28:48.400
I guess so.
00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:51.440
I'm hazy on the details, but yeah, prongens.
00:28:51.839 --> 00:28:53.680
A gunfire ensues.
00:28:53.839 --> 00:28:58.079
He takes out a couple of them, he gets shot in the shoulder, he carries on shooting.
00:28:58.160 --> 00:29:03.759
Peter turns round to see him get shot again in the chest, and she can't she can't run away.
00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:05.839
She has to run back to him, back to her friend.
00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:06.400
Yeah.
00:29:06.640 --> 00:29:07.839
And she gets taken.
00:29:08.079 --> 00:29:08.559
She does.
00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:09.519
Horrific.
00:29:09.680 --> 00:29:13.519
I kind of thought he started the fire, uh, the gunfire to make her run.
00:29:13.599 --> 00:29:13.839
Yeah.
00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:17.440
Because it kind of felt like he started it a bit, but you know, either way.
00:29:17.839 --> 00:29:18.559
She's trained.
00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:19.039
Yeah.
00:29:19.279 --> 00:29:19.759
Yeah.
00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:23.920
But like I say, he takes out a good few and kills two police officers.
00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:24.160
Yeah.
00:29:24.400 --> 00:29:25.759
Then he wakes up in hospital.
00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:33.599
Just briefly, he's still he's still under, and there's all police around him, and they're saying he's been arrested for the murder of two police officers.
00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:33.839
Yeah.
00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:37.599
And there's a big press conference, and there's a female reporter.
00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:40.000
Now we've already seen her on telly, haven't we?
00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:41.119
She's been doing a report.
00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:43.200
I think he was watching it, or the woman was watching it or whatever.
00:29:43.440 --> 00:29:48.960
So she's obviously covering this story about these kidnappings, and now she suddenly turns up at this scene.
00:29:49.279 --> 00:29:51.279
And then she starts asking some questions.
00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:52.480
They were on the day off.
00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:54.240
Why were they in their uniform?
00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:57.839
And then there's a police guy from the FI.
00:29:58.319 --> 00:29:59.200
AFI, I think.
00:29:59.359 --> 00:29:59.519
Yeah.
00:29:59.680 --> 00:29:59.839
Yeah.
00:29:59.920 --> 00:30:00.960
He used to be in charge of Interpol.
00:30:01.119 --> 00:30:01.680
Used to be in charge of Inter.
00:30:01.839 --> 00:30:03.759
Which I'd heard of Interpol, but I didn't know who the A FI was.
00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:04.160
I didn't.
00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:04.880
But I just assumed.
00:30:05.359 --> 00:30:05.759
I didn't, yes.
00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:06.559
Big guy.
00:30:06.640 --> 00:30:07.200
Yeah, big guy.
00:30:09.039 --> 00:30:12.079
He says they're known for the corruption or something like that.
00:30:12.160 --> 00:30:13.839
So the arrest is not a thing anyway.
00:30:14.079 --> 00:30:21.759
I liked that that wasn't didn't last long because the you know, in fairness, I didn't want it to be a whole thing of him trying to clear the rest of the film is him trying to clear his name.
00:30:21.920 --> 00:30:22.000
Yeah.
00:30:22.240 --> 00:30:23.680
So I liked that it didn't last long.
00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:24.000
Yeah.
00:30:24.559 --> 00:30:25.039
Quickly.
00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:27.119
But the mum and dad are destroyed.
00:30:27.200 --> 00:30:30.160
There's police everywhere around the house, they're checking everything.
00:30:30.319 --> 00:30:32.079
Everybody's being questioned.
00:30:32.319 --> 00:30:35.279
The maid, the pool cleaner.
00:30:35.759 --> 00:30:38.160
And the dad said they're not going to use the police.
00:30:38.240 --> 00:30:41.519
And the police give them advice not to deliver the money alone.
00:30:41.839 --> 00:30:42.480
Yeah.
00:30:42.799 --> 00:30:43.839
This must be horrendous.
00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:44.720
Oh, this must be awful.
00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:45.599
The whole thing's awful.
00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:51.519
Because you also don't trust the police, but then in this situation, but also you kind of you're just lost.
00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:52.960
You don't know who to turn to.
00:30:53.119 --> 00:30:53.759
Yeah.
00:30:54.160 --> 00:30:57.119
The Creasy's friend Paul, Christopher.
00:30:57.440 --> 00:30:58.319
Christopher Walken.
00:30:58.640 --> 00:30:59.039
Walken.
00:30:59.279 --> 00:30:59.759
A walken.
00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:00.720
It's like walk.
00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:03.039
You never say, I'm going to go to for a walk.
00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:03.839
Yeah, but it's weird.
00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:05.359
You can ask it because it's a walking.
00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:07.680
But that's how you speak.
00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:08.319
That's what I'm talking about.
00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:08.960
I don't care.
00:31:09.039 --> 00:31:09.680
I don't care.
00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:22.960
He goes to the hospital and the the fo I put the former director of Interpol, because he didn't know what the AFIO, whatever it is was, asks who he is, and then it goes back to the parents' house before he gets a chance to answer.
00:31:23.119 --> 00:31:28.079
And the phones are going off, and it's the kidnappers, and they're asking for 10 million.
00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:34.000
They describe how they want the money, they want it in black bags, 5 million one, 5 million another.
00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:36.000
Describe how they want it delivered.
00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:40.720
But the guy who's delivering it is gonna have to take his share and wave it out and wave it out the car.
00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:41.680
It's so funny.
00:31:41.920 --> 00:31:42.720
Just random, isn't it?
00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:43.440
Well, is that good?
00:31:43.599 --> 00:31:45.920
So you they can see he's not wired and stuff like that, I guess.
00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:46.720
Yeah.
00:31:46.960 --> 00:31:52.880
Then in another 10 events, Creasey's moved out of the hospital by the AFI guy.
00:31:53.119 --> 00:31:54.000
AFI, yeah, yeah.
00:31:54.079 --> 00:31:58.000
Yeah, and and I'm I'm particularly thinking Paul was involved in this.
00:31:58.319 --> 00:31:59.599
Because Paul comes to visit him.
00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:03.119
The conversation they must have had between them that we don't see.
00:32:03.200 --> 00:32:03.440
Yes.
00:32:03.839 --> 00:32:06.640
Like he's not he's not safe here because it was corrupt police.
00:32:06.799 --> 00:32:06.960
Yeah.
00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:08.799
So they move him somewhere that's a bit safe.
00:32:09.119 --> 00:32:15.039
Paul seems to have well, some sort of clout, but also he kind of has to have he lingers around before he goes in to see him.
00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:17.759
Like he doesn't want to be, but is that with the police he's sort of avoiding?
00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:19.440
Yeah, he's avoiding the police.
00:32:19.759 --> 00:32:27.839
Like I say, I think I think obviously Creasy and Paul have done some shit in the past, so they don't want any police involvement, knowing who they are.
00:32:28.160 --> 00:32:28.319
Yeah.
00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:34.319
You know, and what because you know, once you start once the authorities are looking into what you've done and stuff like that.
00:32:34.480 --> 00:32:34.799
Yeah.
00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:39.680
Creasy, the money's the money's left, the 10 million, but shit goes down.
00:32:39.759 --> 00:32:45.759
There's a gunfire, and one of the kidnappers, is it his nephew, gets shot and killed?
00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:46.559
A relative.
00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:48.319
And and the m the money's gone.
00:32:48.480 --> 00:32:49.039
The money's gone.
00:32:49.359 --> 00:32:50.480
It all goes tits up.
00:32:50.559 --> 00:32:51.039
Yeah.
00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:54.400
Creasy wakes up to find he's not in hospital.
00:32:54.640 --> 00:32:56.079
That Peter's presumed dead.
00:32:56.880 --> 00:32:57.680
He's told he's dead.
00:32:57.759 --> 00:32:58.000
Yeah.
00:32:58.319 --> 00:33:02.240
They they basically have said they're gonna kill they've killed the girl because the money wasn't there.
00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:02.880
Yeah.
00:33:03.119 --> 00:33:10.480
They say he'll be in hospital a month and he's shown pictures of the people who were involved, and he doesn't recognise any of them.
00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:17.279
At this point, and it's not the first time it's happened in this film, so it's a piece of music which you will probably recognise because it's been a bunch of stuff.
00:33:17.359 --> 00:33:19.119
It's Claire Delune by Debusie.
00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:23.200
Yeah, and it's beautiful, love it, and it comes in at regular intervals.
00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:28.559
And I'm trying to work out why, particularly, is it just that it's a nice piece of music and he's kind of slow and pondery?
00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:31.680
Or is there some link or I'm trying to work out what it's actually telling us?
00:33:32.319 --> 00:33:33.119
Connection to the girl.
00:33:33.359 --> 00:33:36.559
So every time he kind of feels moved by her, it plays.
00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:40.079
It's certainly during moments of tenderness and sadness.
00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:44.960
So it's it's all about you know, this meeting this girl has changed his life.
00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:49.119
You know, he was on a downward spiral, which he'd eventually killed himself.
00:33:49.359 --> 00:33:52.480
Yeah, that if that bullet had gone, it would have he'd have been dead.
00:33:52.880 --> 00:34:07.039
But she showed him a warmth and he he found his humanity again because of all the things he's done in the past, and um you know, from what we're gonna see in a bit in the film, he's tortured people, he's killed people, he's done some not very nice things, and it doesn't sit well with him.
00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:12.880
And the fact that this 10-year-old girl is seeing a tenderness and a warmth in him, yeah, it's fine helping him find his humanity again.
00:34:13.360 --> 00:34:15.920
Yeah, she's seen his humanity and it's brought it out, yeah, definitely.
00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:20.480
Yeah, so maybe it's just like that's their little kind of musical motif all the way through.
00:34:20.639 --> 00:34:21.519
But I do like it.
00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:25.920
So he leaves the hospital, and as he leaves the hospital, the reporter follows him.
00:34:26.079 --> 00:34:27.920
Yeah, she's on this story, yeah.
00:34:28.159 --> 00:34:37.280
And she starts asking him some questions, asks who she thinks is corrupt officials and cops and stuff, and she's she's laying a bit of the story.
00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:41.440
He wants to find the people responsible, and him and his friend agree to help.
00:34:41.679 --> 00:34:48.239
He remembers that she wrote down the wrench of the car, so he goes back to the room and he starts reading the little notebook.
00:34:48.639 --> 00:34:50.079
Such a kiddy diary, as well, isn't it?
00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:50.800
It's so cute.
00:34:51.039 --> 00:34:53.119
But she's she wrote down, I love Creasy.
00:34:53.199 --> 00:34:53.840
I love it.
00:34:55.440 --> 00:34:56.159
Because that's her bear.
00:34:56.320 --> 00:34:58.480
She's called a bear after Creasey, which is quite funny.
00:34:58.719 --> 00:35:02.639
But I don't know if that's she's referring to him as well, because you know, she's 10 years old.
00:35:03.039 --> 00:35:13.599
Yeah, it's proper, it's proper, sweet, and felt very realistic of a little little girl's diary, not like a teenager with you know kind of rampant hormones, but a little kid who gets a notebook.
00:35:13.760 --> 00:35:18.320
Yeah, so if he sees the registration number, but it's not fully complete.
00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:20.320
There's a couple of digits missing at the end.
00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:26.320
Then the mum comes in and asks what he's doing there, so he's come to get his stuff and he's gonna do what he does best.
00:35:26.559 --> 00:35:28.320
And the mum says, kill them all.
00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:28.639
Yeah.
00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:30.320
And she gives him Teddy.
00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:33.440
Yeah, you know, so it's got some connection to her.
00:35:33.599 --> 00:35:37.519
Yeah, that is his sort of that's his purpose now.
00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:39.599
His purpose was to look after Peter.
00:35:39.760 --> 00:35:44.719
Now his purpose is and so that kind of signposts for the rest of the film now that this is a revenge movie.
00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:46.079
This is a revenge, you know.
00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:51.039
So I like at this moment when I first watched this the first time, I was like, shit, you've killed it.
00:35:51.119 --> 00:35:51.440
I know.
00:35:51.519 --> 00:35:54.960
I didn't I didn't think she was gonna come back, really didn't.
00:35:55.199 --> 00:36:05.679
And I just thought this was him getting his revenge, you know, didn't know how it was gonna go, but he was gonna get his revenge and just murder everybody in Mexico because he was angry.
00:36:05.920 --> 00:36:12.559
There's the whole thing as well when he's talking to the reporter just before this about how we just learn, and I didn't really follow it too much.
00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:18.960
It's like it's called the Brotherhood, or something like this sort of cartel, these people, there's a whole bunch of people involved, basically.
00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:21.360
It's not just one person who's kidnapped her.
00:36:21.440 --> 00:36:24.159
Yeah, it's there's a whole like a system, what's the word?
00:36:24.239 --> 00:36:25.440
A hierarchy, a system.
00:36:25.519 --> 00:36:28.400
Yeah, so he knows he's not just gonna go and kill one person, he's got a lot of people.
00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:29.440
He's gotta go right up.
00:36:29.599 --> 00:36:30.320
He's gotta go right up.
00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:33.679
The top to what they call the voice.
00:36:33.840 --> 00:36:36.239
The voice is top dog, top dog.
00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:40.000
So he arms up, you know, like this is the only the only scene.
00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:41.920
I put creasy tools up, yeah.
00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:46.880
But this is the only scene which I thought was a bit unrealistic with just getting all these guns from everywhere.
00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:54.079
So I know it's Mexico, I know there's probably places like that, but you know, some of the guns, like bazookers and all sorts.
00:36:54.400 --> 00:36:58.960
I mean, you come for a sort of action violent thriller, you're gonna get guns, aren't you?
00:36:59.039 --> 00:36:59.280
I guess.
00:36:59.440 --> 00:37:03.920
Well, this is the sort of thing I expect in a Norald Schwarzenegger movie rather than Denzel Washington.
00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:07.440
So, but yeah, so yes, it's the fact it's the scene where he does it.
00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:11.679
It's like I put he tools up, you put your, you know, it's that kind of here we go.
00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:13.039
Game art.
00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:15.840
Sit down, strap in and wait for what's going to happen.
00:37:16.079 --> 00:37:16.880
I know it is, isn't it?
00:37:16.960 --> 00:37:20.559
It does change the vibe a little bit because I mean it was like, right, this is where we're going now, then.
00:37:20.639 --> 00:37:21.920
This is this version of the film.
00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:25.519
So he rings up the reporter and asks her to find out the reg.
00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:26.159
Yeah.
00:37:26.400 --> 00:37:33.039
And says, you know, there's probably 10 different cars, you know, just find them and I'll I'll go and sort it.
00:37:33.199 --> 00:37:41.840
But we we also see a little side story here where for her to get her information, she's fucking the AFI guy on the side.
00:37:42.559 --> 00:37:43.039
Why not?
00:37:43.280 --> 00:37:44.639
Well, we'll see later on.
00:37:44.800 --> 00:37:47.519
So he finds the car and the owner and he gets them.
00:37:47.599 --> 00:37:47.920
Yeah.
00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:48.159
Yeah.
00:37:48.400 --> 00:37:53.599
Takes them to a remote area and basically gaffer tapes his.
00:37:54.159 --> 00:37:57.280
He makes him drive, he has to drive at gunpoint to the remote area.
00:37:57.519 --> 00:37:57.760
Yeah.
00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:03.679
And and he gaffer tapes his hands to the wheel, but with his fingers sticking out.
00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:05.679
You say I don't need any of this now.
00:38:06.559 --> 00:38:08.960
You know when I watched it, like I watched it again last night.
00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:18.079
So I watched it the other day to write notes down about the plot and stuff, and then I watched it last night and I thought, yeah, I mean Nikki's uncomfortable with this scene.
00:38:18.800 --> 00:38:21.920
I don't know, but you don't really see it, it's implied.
00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:24.480
You know, you know, it's more implied.
00:38:24.719 --> 00:38:28.320
So he basically says to this wrong, right?
00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:32.800
I'm gonna ask you some questions, and if I think you're not telling the truth, you're gonna lose a finger.
00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:35.840
And this guy's a bit cocky, going, Oh, do you know who I am?
00:38:36.079 --> 00:38:37.519
He's he's police, isn't he?
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:38.320
I think so, yeah.
00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:51.039
I mean there is he's a crupp police guy, he goes, Okay, and then finger comes off, he starts screaming, and then he he gets he gets the end of the cigarette lighter and quarterised it so there's less blood.
00:38:51.679 --> 00:38:53.119
Yeah, he was a nice guy, really.
00:38:53.440 --> 00:38:54.079
Yeah, it's helpful.
00:38:54.480 --> 00:38:56.239
Altruistic, yeah.
00:38:56.559 --> 00:38:59.039
But we do learn that the kidnapping was ordered by the voice.
00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:01.519
I think this is the is this the first time we hear of the voice?
00:39:01.840 --> 00:39:02.880
Yeah, not sure.
00:39:03.119 --> 00:39:05.760
Well, I think the voice is mentioned in the beginning.
00:39:05.920 --> 00:39:06.239
Right.
00:39:06.400 --> 00:39:07.760
At the at the opening crest.
00:39:08.079 --> 00:39:09.280
The opening bit, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:18.079
But yeah, he says he doesn't know who took her, and he was told to take her, so another finger comes off, and he said the voice ordered it.
00:39:18.400 --> 00:39:21.679
The guy just says a professional doing his job, yeah.
00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:23.920
Which it aches him.
00:39:24.159 --> 00:39:29.199
It aches him because it's just like it's so lacking in what's the word?
00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:34.559
It's so lacking in any sense of humanity, of feeling, of connection.
00:39:34.639 --> 00:39:36.719
It's just he's stone cold, horrible.
00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:48.159
So he ends up giving up a name of a guy who who are the ones where they look after the girl or the other kidnap kids, and it works at a rave.
00:39:48.480 --> 00:39:50.880
Yeah, it's like working the doors of a club, wasn't it?
00:39:51.199 --> 00:39:51.599
Yeah.
00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:53.039
So he goes there.
00:39:53.360 --> 00:39:56.320
Can we also just point out that Chrisi shoots the man?
00:39:56.480 --> 00:39:57.119
Yeah, he shoots the man.
00:39:57.360 --> 00:39:58.000
Just gets rid of him.
00:39:58.159 --> 00:39:59.760
And Nessendorma plays.
00:39:59.920 --> 00:40:04.000
Yeah, and then he let he he just allows the car to roll off a cliff and let it blow up.
00:40:04.159 --> 00:40:08.079
But Nessendorma can only be played in relation to Italy 90.
00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:10.960
It doesn't mean anything for any other film.
00:40:11.039 --> 00:40:12.880
It can only be played in an evening of Garrett.
00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:16.320
It's nearly two films, two films in one series.
00:40:16.559 --> 00:40:17.119
It's mad, isn't it?
00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:19.920
Nessendorma is the soundtrack of this series for us.
00:40:20.079 --> 00:40:22.639
Anyway, it did make me laugh when I heard it, going, Oh my god.
00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:28.559
So Chrissy goes to the rave, he pulls a gun on the doorman and gets to take him upstairs.
00:40:28.719 --> 00:40:33.440
And there's another two people up there, and they're the ones who are looking after the kid.
00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:40.000
And he knows not gonna answer any questions because he's he's looking at them and they go, We know nothing, we know nothing.
00:40:40.159 --> 00:40:43.760
So he shoots the bouncer and that panics them a little bit.
00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:46.400
So he starts he starts asking them some questions.
00:40:46.480 --> 00:40:47.840
He said they get paid.
00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:49.360
He asked them how did he get paid?
00:40:49.519 --> 00:40:50.639
He said, just out of an ATM.
00:40:50.719 --> 00:40:52.079
They've got an ATM card.
00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:54.239
He asked for the card, he asked for the pin number.
00:40:54.320 --> 00:40:55.360
Do you know what the pin number was?
00:40:55.599 --> 00:40:56.480
4747?
00:40:56.559 --> 00:40:56.800
Yep.
00:40:57.119 --> 00:40:59.840
Yeah, just I didn't write it down, it up here.
00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:01.440
I just I haven't written it down.
00:41:01.519 --> 00:41:03.440
I just thought, hey, I wonder if you remembered.
00:41:03.599 --> 00:41:05.840
I don't know if that had no significance or anything, did it?
00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:06.719
Just I don't know.
00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:08.400
Yeah, he asked, did they kill her?
00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:15.599
He said no, but it was the boss because he killed, he threw it against the wall and she didn't move because they killed his brother.
00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:17.920
Yeah, that was yeah, the brother was dead.
00:41:18.159 --> 00:41:20.880
He said uh it was crooked cops that had taken the money.
00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:22.880
It was Fuentes, the crooked cops.
00:41:23.039 --> 00:41:26.320
Yeah, he said what he said, did he say goodbye to her?
00:41:26.800 --> 00:41:27.920
And he goes, No.
00:41:28.159 --> 00:41:29.039
And he kills the guy.
00:41:29.199 --> 00:41:30.079
Yeah, he shoots him.
00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:30.559
Yeah.
00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:32.559
So he asked the woman what's gone on.
00:41:32.800 --> 00:41:34.159
He says, The boss killed her.
00:41:34.400 --> 00:41:36.000
No the boss's brother.
00:41:36.559 --> 00:41:38.239
Yeah, it was because of the boss's brother.
00:41:38.480 --> 00:41:41.199
And then he says, Do you want the girl?
00:41:41.519 --> 00:41:42.880
And he's like, Shit, what?
00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:44.079
He says, Do you want the girl?
00:41:44.320 --> 00:41:45.519
He says, Show me, show me.
00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:50.880
And he takes she takes him to a different part, and there's another girl there, another girl, another kidnapping.
00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:51.760
Yeah.
00:41:53.679 --> 00:41:54.800
Starts torching the place.
00:41:55.039 --> 00:42:02.400
He rips off a gas pipe, as starts a fire, and as he walks into the rave, he starts shooting in the air to get everybody out.
00:42:02.559 --> 00:42:04.400
He's got the woman and he's got the girl.
00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:04.880
Yeah.
00:42:05.119 --> 00:42:08.559
He rings up the reporter outside, the building blows up.
00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:10.000
All the ravers think it's amazing.
00:42:11.360 --> 00:42:15.599
I thought again, I thought that was a little silly moment, you know, nobody's showing any jeopardy there.
00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:20.400
But he rings the reporter and he says, The girl gone missing in the last couple of days.
00:42:20.559 --> 00:42:21.440
And he says, Yeah.
00:42:21.519 --> 00:42:23.920
And she says the name, he asks her the name, she goes, yeah.
00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:35.199
And then the reporter comes, the woman who had kidnapped, wasn't looking after the kidnapped kids, handcuffed to a car, and he says, This girl will answer yes to anything because she's scared.
00:42:35.360 --> 00:42:37.840
So he doesn't know whether that is the girl that's gone missing or not.
00:42:38.239 --> 00:42:38.960
I miss that bit.
00:42:39.039 --> 00:42:39.760
That's rubbish.
00:42:40.159 --> 00:42:45.599
He then gives her the ATM card and says, Please find out who's putting the money into this.
00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:47.840
And she he asks, What does she know about Fuentes?
00:42:48.079 --> 00:42:50.000
We know this guy Fuentes is the corrupt cop.
00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:51.519
Yeah, who the corrupt cop is.
00:42:51.679 --> 00:42:54.079
Yeah, and she says he lives in a judicial compound.
00:42:54.239 --> 00:42:54.480
Yeah.
00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:57.840
So it sounded very she says he travels in the motorcade.
00:42:58.000 --> 00:42:58.639
Yeah, yeah.
00:42:58.719 --> 00:43:02.079
He's he's surrounded all the time, very difficult to get to.
00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:08.800
So Creasy sets up in an apartment with a bazooka to blow up the motorcade.
00:43:08.960 --> 00:43:09.599
Yeah.
00:43:10.239 --> 00:43:14.400
As it's driving along, they spot him, he fires, it's too late, it's gone off.
00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:18.800
He shoots the other people in the car and gets the corrupt cop out.
00:43:19.199 --> 00:43:26.159
Meanwhile, before that happened, the I put the top AFI guy again, can't remember his name, don't really know what he did.
00:43:26.320 --> 00:43:28.639
He's talking to Walker and he's talking to Paul.
00:43:28.880 --> 00:43:36.000
And he Paul says how because Paul's given him that bit of background, and he said, Peter showed him it was alright to live again.
00:43:36.079 --> 00:43:36.320
Yeah.
00:43:36.480 --> 00:43:37.760
Which I found very moving.
00:43:38.320 --> 00:43:42.480
And then the classic line I would imagine, Creasy's art is death.
00:43:42.639 --> 00:43:44.480
He's about to paint his masterpiece.
00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:44.880
Yeah.
00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:45.280
Whoa.
00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:45.920
I know.
00:43:46.239 --> 00:43:47.119
It's a great line.
00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:48.159
It is, it is.
00:43:48.400 --> 00:43:55.440
It feels like maybe it's slightly misplaced in this movie, which that feels very poetic, and then the r it's like just people getting blown up and shot.
00:43:56.000 --> 00:43:58.239
I think this is a really, really well done movie.
00:43:58.480 --> 00:43:59.679
Okay, well we'll talk about that later.
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:05.440
But I just think that line was very good and Walkin's delivery of it and his role in this film.
00:44:05.599 --> 00:44:07.440
I thought, yeah, I really bought into that.
00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:12.000
So, next scene, the cop is tied to an abandoned car.
00:44:12.159 --> 00:44:12.320
Yeah.
00:44:12.559 --> 00:44:19.199
And Creasy shows him a plastic case and says, This is what people inside prison use.
00:44:19.360 --> 00:44:21.679
And they put drugs in it and put up the rectum.
00:44:21.760 --> 00:44:22.079
Yes.
00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:28.000
He said, This is a detonator, this is C4, and it's a remote detonator, and this is what's up your ass.
00:44:28.480 --> 00:44:28.960
Yeah.
00:44:29.199 --> 00:44:30.400
He said, You got four minutes.
00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:33.039
You're going to be paged in four minutes, and this is going to go off.
00:44:33.280 --> 00:44:35.840
So we starts asking him some questions about the money.
00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:37.440
What happened to the money?
00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:41.119
And he says, There was only two and a half million in the bags, the rest was paper.
00:44:41.280 --> 00:44:41.440
Yeah.
00:44:41.679 --> 00:44:45.599
He said it was it was changed before we got to it.
00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:47.119
And he says, who changed it?
00:44:47.280 --> 00:44:50.480
And he says, Jordan, the lawyer.
00:44:50.719 --> 00:44:51.840
The lawyer, Mickey Rock.
00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:52.159
Yeah.
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:53.920
Again, I didn't remember his name at any point.
00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:54.880
It's Mickey Rock.
00:44:55.199 --> 00:44:55.760
I didn't know.
00:44:55.920 --> 00:45:01.679
I should have known when first watched it because it was it was too small of a part just for Mickey Rock to be nobody.
00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:02.639
I I agree.
00:45:02.719 --> 00:45:03.039
Yeah.
00:45:03.199 --> 00:45:03.519
You know.
00:45:03.599 --> 00:45:03.760
Yeah.
00:45:03.920 --> 00:45:04.880
So it should it should be.
00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:07.199
He should have been involved somewhere later on.
00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:07.599
Yeah.
00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:08.079
Yeah.
00:45:08.320 --> 00:45:10.559
And then the cop says, Oh, you're gonna you're gonna sort it.
00:45:10.639 --> 00:45:11.920
Then he goes, No, we're gonna walk away.
00:45:12.079 --> 00:45:13.599
So it's it's just time.
00:45:13.760 --> 00:45:15.360
And as he walks away, explosion.
00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:16.400
Explodes from his ass.
00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:17.039
From his ass.
00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:17.920
It's interesting.
00:45:18.480 --> 00:45:20.079
That's a bad death, then isn't it?
00:45:20.320 --> 00:45:22.000
But this is right, so this is the problem.
00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:23.760
You don't see him blow up, you just see an explosion.
00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:26.079
No, I know you don't see him personally blow up.
00:45:26.400 --> 00:45:33.360
The the problem with so the argument has always been historically that when you watch lots of violence, you become desensitised to it, right?
00:45:33.519 --> 00:45:38.320
And I tend not to watch lots of violence, and so it is always quite shocking to me when I see it.
00:45:38.639 --> 00:45:42.559
For example, the beginning where the ear is cut off, horrible, even though it's very flash, you know, quick.
00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:50.400
But then obviously I've been watching this film for too long at this point because I did start to think, good, you kidnapped a girl that I liked, good.
00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:56.000
And it made me think that there are some examples of fictional violence, not in real life, never in real life.
00:45:56.079 --> 00:45:58.079
I just think always don't do violence.
00:45:58.239 --> 00:46:01.360
But fictional violence I do wholeheartedly support.
00:46:01.599 --> 00:46:07.280
And it reminded me when that guy got blown up from his ass, that did make me go, yeah, good, you wanna.
00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:11.199
There are some examples of fictional violence that I wholeheartedly support.
00:46:11.280 --> 00:46:15.119
I enjoyed this guy getting blown up from his ass because it was just gross.
00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:16.800
But also, yeah, good.
00:46:16.960 --> 00:46:18.239
He kidnapped and killed.
00:46:18.320 --> 00:46:20.480
Although I did I I know she wasn't dead at this point.
00:46:20.719 --> 00:46:22.880
He kidnapped a kid that I thought was brilliant.
00:46:23.119 --> 00:46:38.559
But it is like, and it reminded me of the girl with the dragon tattoo, and Elizabeth Salander goes, has a horrendous thing happen to her, and then she goes and confronts the person who did it to her and basically does the same thing with an implement.
00:46:39.039 --> 00:46:41.599
And then tattoos him and tattoos him, yeah.
00:46:41.840 --> 00:46:48.320
That yeah, I I like that for the future for people to feel to know that what he did, because she has rapists tattooed on his head.
00:46:48.559 --> 00:47:00.159
But I what I found myself absolutely applauding was that she did to him with an implement what he did to her with his body, and she did it very violently, but I loved it.
00:47:01.440 --> 00:47:02.960
What am I creating, dear?
00:47:03.199 --> 00:47:03.920
What am I creating?
00:47:04.239 --> 00:47:08.719
But because it's you know, it's like every guy who's been horrific and treated women like shit.
00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:18.079
He represents that guy in that moment, and so it's all of vengeance, it's all of retribution that every woman has ever suffered, and you watch him get it, and you think, yeah, thank god for that, it's brilliant.
00:47:18.239 --> 00:47:25.920
Anyway, in real life, never, never would I want any of these things to happen, and I wouldn't want somebody to have a bomb inserted into their body either.
00:47:26.159 --> 00:47:32.320
But I did find myself thinking, I've only been watching this film for like an hour and a half at this point, and I'm all in on these people now.
00:47:33.760 --> 00:47:35.360
Get them all, get them all for Peter.
00:47:35.760 --> 00:47:40.639
Right, so Creasy goes to Jordan the lawyers, and his corpse is floating headless in the pool.
00:47:40.960 --> 00:47:43.760
I didn't clock that he was headless, I just thought there was a lot of blood, but yeah, it makes sense.
00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:44.719
Yeah, he was headless.
00:47:44.800 --> 00:47:46.800
Yeah, because you do see a samurai sword with blood on it.
00:47:47.119 --> 00:47:48.159
Ah, makes sense, yeah, yeah.
00:47:48.559 --> 00:47:54.400
He finds some banking notes and sees that money has been getting paid in.
00:47:54.719 --> 00:47:56.000
Yeah, he sees his statement, yeah.
00:47:56.079 --> 00:47:57.119
Ramos has paid him.
00:47:57.280 --> 00:48:01.519
Yeah, he asks the reporter to look on it to find out some more.
00:48:02.320 --> 00:48:06.800
Chris he goes to speak to Peter's dad, Ramos.
00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:11.199
Yeah, and to be fair, we've seen bits of them, Lisa and Ramos, together.
00:48:11.360 --> 00:48:18.400
They're in bits, they are like heartbroken, understandably, and they both seem completely yeah.
00:48:18.639 --> 00:48:20.800
He knows something's going on and he threatens them.
00:48:20.960 --> 00:48:26.079
The mum comes in, Lisa, and he says, Right, before I do this, did you know anything about it?
00:48:26.159 --> 00:48:31.199
And he's he's got he's a real cob on with it, as he and stuff, and she just doesn't know what's going on.
00:48:31.280 --> 00:48:33.119
And the dad admits to it, yeah.
00:48:33.280 --> 00:48:39.039
They were setting up as an insurance job, she was gonna be taken for two days, no more, and then brought back.
00:48:39.199 --> 00:48:42.400
Yeah, he says, I've got debts, I inherited my father's debt.
00:48:42.480 --> 00:48:49.039
I inherited his money, but I inherited his debts, and they haven't got as much money as they thought he had, so they were going to do an insurance thing.
00:48:49.280 --> 00:48:50.960
It's gross, yeah.
00:48:51.360 --> 00:48:52.639
Lisa's fuming.
00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:54.239
No, yeah, she would be.
00:48:54.559 --> 00:48:55.039
Fuming.
00:48:55.280 --> 00:48:57.679
So Creasy says to him, he says, You know what you've done.
00:48:57.920 --> 00:49:00.239
Takes the the go the bullets out the gun.
00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:03.920
He says, This this bullet, he said, didn't work for me, it might work for you.
00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:05.599
The bullets always tell the truth.
00:49:05.920 --> 00:49:09.440
Leaves the gun, then when he walks off, you just hear a gunshot.
00:49:09.599 --> 00:49:09.840
Yeah.
00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:13.519
I guess there's no other way out in this story, in real life, different.
00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:17.360
But you know, like, was he gonna would he've could he have come back from this?
00:49:17.440 --> 00:49:21.119
Could he couldn't have still been he couldn't have still been the dad, he couldn't have been the husband.
00:49:21.360 --> 00:49:26.800
I think I he's he's let him he knows he's absolutely let himself down, he's done something so awful and he knows it.
00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:37.039
But I think the next shot shows that because the next shot is Lisa leaning over his body, and she's not really that upset because she's angry about what he's done.
00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:47.440
I found it interesting as well, just the fact in their house is like a sort of shrine area, like it's is it like a little chapel, yeah, just a place where they do a lot of praying?
00:49:47.599 --> 00:49:48.000
I don't know.
00:49:48.159 --> 00:49:56.480
It's sort of very like a prayer video Madonna, it's lots of candles and statues and crucifixes and stuff like that, and that's where it happens.
00:49:56.639 --> 00:49:57.519
That's where he does it.
00:49:57.599 --> 00:50:00.159
Like it's sort of you know, he's facing his god and all that.
00:50:00.400 --> 00:50:01.199
Yeah, but interesting.
00:50:03.119 --> 00:50:03.599
What?
00:50:03.840 --> 00:50:12.639
Yeah, so the reporter reveals the person who's been putting the money in the yeah, it's been there's been journalism going on all this time.
00:50:12.719 --> 00:50:19.119
They know they know stuff background, you know, and she's been to get all this information fucking the AFI guy.
00:50:19.360 --> 00:50:21.119
I think maybe they quite like each other as well.
00:50:21.280 --> 00:50:22.719
You make it sound really mercenary.
00:50:22.960 --> 00:50:24.559
No, I think she's doing it together.
00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:29.599
I think she's doing it because they you know, he says at one point, you know, oh we sleep together.
00:50:29.760 --> 00:50:31.280
She goes, No, we don't sleep, we just fuck.
00:50:31.519 --> 00:50:32.880
Yeah, but I think that's okay.
00:50:33.119 --> 00:50:36.960
That's not necessarily so mercenary that it's just for info.
00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:37.760
No, I think it is.
00:50:38.079 --> 00:50:40.800
I thought he was quite hot in a kind of older man way.
00:50:41.119 --> 00:50:44.320
No, so well I I disagree with that take.
00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:56.239
I think they're having nice, no strings attached sex, and it's working out for both of them, and she's getting information as well, but I don't think she's hiding the fact she's getting information, and that's you know, I just think it's they're getting getting their needs met.
00:50:56.480 --> 00:50:58.159
It gets more murky as we get further on.
00:50:58.480 --> 00:50:58.800
Okay.
00:50:59.440 --> 00:51:04.079
So he finds out where the guy lives who's been putting the money in, and he follows him into the property.
00:51:04.400 --> 00:51:10.880
He sees a family, he basically tells the family to get out, and the mum's there, and the mum's pregnant.
00:51:11.039 --> 00:51:15.599
There's loads of crying babies and kids, and it's a very family-oriented sort of scene.
00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:23.440
The guy tries to run and he shoots at him and he ends up getting into crashing into a truck and he gets him back in.
00:51:23.519 --> 00:51:25.920
It's just all quite murky now.
00:51:26.079 --> 00:51:28.480
He gets a name and asks how they call him.
00:51:28.719 --> 00:51:30.639
Creasy's bleeding at this point.
00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:33.760
Yeah, because he's Creasy's been shot at loads at this point.
00:51:33.920 --> 00:51:38.079
He's sort of recovered from the other earlier wounds that he was hospitalized for, and now he's getting more.
00:51:38.239 --> 00:51:38.559
Yeah.
00:51:38.719 --> 00:51:40.159
This guy has just shot him.
00:51:40.719 --> 00:51:41.760
Daniel Sanchez.
00:51:41.920 --> 00:51:42.480
Yeah, yeah.
00:51:42.639 --> 00:51:45.599
Right, so he gets a name and he asks how they contact him.
00:51:45.679 --> 00:51:49.119
You know, it's on the roof because there's no signal there.
00:51:49.360 --> 00:51:52.639
At this moment, as well, we found out that the police have bugged this apartment.
00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:53.119
Yeah, yeah.
00:51:53.280 --> 00:51:54.320
You know, and they're watching as well.
00:51:54.639 --> 00:51:55.360
They know what's going on.
00:51:55.519 --> 00:52:01.679
Yeah, you know, all all while this is going on, there's an undercurrent about the police watching Creasy and what he's doing.
00:52:01.760 --> 00:52:06.079
They know what he's doing, and they're allowing him to do it because he can do things they can't.
00:52:06.400 --> 00:52:09.199
So they arrange a swap.
00:52:09.519 --> 00:52:10.559
A life for a life.
00:52:10.719 --> 00:52:11.360
A life for a life.
00:52:11.519 --> 00:52:12.559
And he goes, Whose life?
00:52:12.719 --> 00:52:12.880
Yeah.
00:52:13.119 --> 00:52:15.280
Because he doesn't get it, and they say, the girl.
00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:19.119
And he's shocked because you know he doesn't think she's alive.
00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:21.840
And then the other guy goes, I'm a businessman.
00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:25.599
I wouldn't, I wouldn't kill her because she's worth an asset, she's worth money.
00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:31.760
And um, I imagine when you watch this without having Googled the Wikipedia plot halfway through, this had more impact.
00:52:32.320 --> 00:52:33.280
Massively, massively.
00:52:33.920 --> 00:52:34.800
I get that it's huge.
00:52:35.039 --> 00:52:40.000
So they arrange to go meet, and he rings the mum and he says, 'She's alive.' The mum doesn't believe him.
00:52:40.159 --> 00:52:42.800
He just, you know, he says, Meet me here.
00:52:43.199 --> 00:52:45.440
He said, But it's gonna go down.
00:52:45.679 --> 00:52:53.679
She arrives there, they arrive at the bottom of a bridge, either end of a bridge, there's a big curved bridge at the top, and he says, Right, put this gun at this guy's head.
00:52:53.840 --> 00:52:54.719
He's the brother.
00:52:54.960 --> 00:52:56.719
He's the brother, and he's already shot his fingers off.
00:52:56.880 --> 00:52:57.920
How can we miss that bit?
00:52:58.239 --> 00:52:59.920
He's bleeding like heavily.
00:53:00.079 --> 00:53:02.559
Yeah, yeah, he's shotgun this finger.
00:53:02.880 --> 00:53:03.920
Doesn't all in one go.
00:53:04.559 --> 00:53:06.079
Fingers going off in this movie.
00:53:06.239 --> 00:53:06.960
It's horrible.
00:53:07.199 --> 00:53:08.639
So, so she holds the gun.
00:53:08.800 --> 00:53:13.599
Creasy walks halfway up the bridge, but you can see at this point he's struggling a bit.
00:53:13.840 --> 00:53:15.599
Yeah, he's not in great shape.
00:53:16.239 --> 00:53:16.960
No, not at all.
00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:23.840
They open the door, she's got a bag over her head, she's tied up, got zip ties on her.
00:53:24.079 --> 00:53:30.559
They cut her off, and then she sees Chrissy, and she starts running and crying and screaming, and she gives him a hug.
00:53:30.800 --> 00:53:33.599
And he says, Your mum's down there, you go down.
00:53:33.760 --> 00:53:36.880
So she runs off to the mum and he carries on walking.
00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:40.000
As he's walking, not Christopher walking.
00:53:41.039 --> 00:53:42.400
She's not walking, she's walking.
00:53:42.480 --> 00:53:45.360
Yeah, Lisa lets the guy go.
00:53:45.519 --> 00:53:47.679
He runs past Creasy on the bridge.
00:53:48.079 --> 00:53:51.840
Creasy just slowly and calmly walks over and gets into the car.
00:53:52.239 --> 00:53:52.639
Yeah.
00:53:52.880 --> 00:54:00.000
They drive off, and Creasy's just having a few flashbacks, and you can just see him just slowly start to slump.
00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:00.480
Mm-hmm.
00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:01.360
He dies.
00:54:01.599 --> 00:54:02.960
Yeah, with his Saint Jude.
00:54:03.039 --> 00:54:03.199
Yeah.
00:54:03.440 --> 00:54:04.800
Patron saint of lost causes.
00:54:05.039 --> 00:54:05.280
Yeah.
00:54:05.440 --> 00:54:09.440
And it comes up on the end screen his death date.
00:54:16.960 --> 00:54:20.320
So what are your thoughts on this film?
00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:23.280
Okay, right.
00:54:23.440 --> 00:54:26.320
I have loads of thoughts, but oh, that's so funny.
00:54:26.480 --> 00:54:26.960
Right, okay.
00:54:27.760 --> 00:54:30.159
Could I just say you recognise the AFI guy?
00:54:30.320 --> 00:54:32.639
He's the guy in Casino Royale.
00:54:33.119 --> 00:54:33.920
I've already seen that one.
00:54:34.320 --> 00:54:36.159
Bond thinks who portrays him.
00:54:36.400 --> 00:54:37.119
Okay, I don't know.
00:54:37.199 --> 00:54:38.320
I don't know who that is.
00:54:38.559 --> 00:54:39.119
Right.
00:54:39.360 --> 00:54:43.840
Okay, but I had a I had an issue with the ending anyway, but now maybe that's not the same.
00:54:44.159 --> 00:54:48.000
Okay, I'll take I'll just like splurt it all out and we'll work out how the voice fits in.
00:54:48.239 --> 00:54:55.679
My issue with with it was he says on the phone when he's talking at the end to the kidnapper guy who's in the car, a life for a life.
00:54:55.760 --> 00:54:56.159
Yeah.
00:54:56.320 --> 00:55:01.440
And I assume we we mean the brother with the bleeding hand for Lapita.
00:55:01.679 --> 00:55:02.159
Do we mean that?
00:55:02.320 --> 00:55:02.480
No.
00:55:02.639 --> 00:55:02.800
No.
00:55:03.039 --> 00:55:04.639
It's Denzel Washington's life.
00:55:05.039 --> 00:55:11.039
Yes, but I d I I thought that we were supposed to think it was the brother, because the brother was going to get back.
00:55:11.360 --> 00:55:12.639
They were taking the brother back to them.
00:55:12.880 --> 00:55:15.519
No, I was new from that moment and new.
00:55:15.920 --> 00:55:17.280
But this is the point I'm about to say.
00:55:17.440 --> 00:55:20.239
I felt like they did a lot of the Mohicans situation here.
00:55:20.480 --> 00:55:22.159
When it's the end, have you ever seen it?
00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:24.559
Because I do love it, so we will talk about it one day.
00:55:24.800 --> 00:55:42.000
At the end of the film, when they are basically um burning one of the children because of the captain and the American people, and the soldier says, is translating and he's saying he's translating what Daniel Day Lewis is saying, and he goes, Me for her, me for her, and that's what Daniel Day Lewis is saying.
00:55:42.159 --> 00:55:48.079
But actually, the soldier says, Me for her, and then the soldier gets taken, which I think the soldier's happy to do because he just thinks he's dead anyway, whatever.
00:55:48.159 --> 00:55:48.800
Blah de blah.
00:55:48.880 --> 00:55:56.559
It really reminded me of last Mohicans where we think it's one person being swapped, and actually it's Daniel not Daniel Day Lewis, it's Chrissy, it's it stands out.
00:55:56.960 --> 00:56:07.679
But the point was, in that situation, then when he becomes the life and goes, A, okay, he knows his time's up and he sacrificed himself for a greater good, i.e., Peter, brilliant.
00:56:07.840 --> 00:56:10.639
I just thought it'd have more impact if they just shot him.
00:56:10.800 --> 00:56:15.360
Or we saw him just kind of we saw them be responsible for his death.
00:56:15.599 --> 00:56:18.880
No, but actually he just peters out, Peter, peters out.
00:56:19.119 --> 00:56:22.400
But the thing is, right, their plan, right?
00:56:22.719 --> 00:56:24.079
This is how I see it.
00:56:24.239 --> 00:56:29.039
Their plan is to go off and torture him and give him as much pain as they could possibly do.
00:56:29.440 --> 00:56:30.400
But they don't get that moment.
00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:31.519
No, they don't.
00:56:31.840 --> 00:56:33.199
But it but they're businessmen.
00:56:33.280 --> 00:56:34.159
Why would they do that?
00:56:34.400 --> 00:56:36.239
But they don't realise his daddy's in the back of the car.
00:56:36.400 --> 00:56:36.880
No, I know that.
00:56:36.960 --> 00:56:39.199
My point is they don't they're not gonna get any money from this.
00:56:39.360 --> 00:56:40.960
No, but they'll get pleasure out of seeing his.
00:56:41.360 --> 00:56:44.079
But they're businessmen, they're not into they're not doing it because they're sadists.
00:56:44.159 --> 00:56:46.000
You could argue, you could argue they are sadists.
00:56:46.159 --> 00:56:47.679
But don't forget they're doing it for money.
00:56:47.840 --> 00:56:49.360
He's just blowing the fingers off his brother.
00:56:49.519 --> 00:56:50.719
I know, I know, I understand all that.
00:56:51.280 --> 00:56:53.519
Now they're businessmen, they're professionals.
00:56:53.760 --> 00:56:56.000
Yeah, they're professionals, and they want to see pain.
00:56:56.320 --> 00:56:57.599
I don't I don't believe that.
00:56:57.920 --> 00:57:00.559
They want to see him atone for what he's done.
00:57:00.800 --> 00:57:02.000
I don't get that from them.
00:57:02.159 --> 00:57:02.960
That's really interesting.
00:57:03.119 --> 00:57:04.880
Anyway, that was how I felt about the ending.
00:57:04.960 --> 00:57:06.400
I felt like it petered out.
00:57:06.559 --> 00:57:12.639
He petered out, he just died on his not on his own terms exactly, but you know, he wasn't there, wasn't some big showdown.
00:57:13.199 --> 00:57:19.519
He just died quietly in the back of a car holding his Saint Jude, which was lovely that he had that, and that was Peter was on his mind.
00:57:19.679 --> 00:57:19.760
Right.
00:57:19.920 --> 00:57:20.639
And she was okay with that.
00:57:20.960 --> 00:57:24.800
I get the relief that they didn't get to do to him what they'd planned.
00:57:25.039 --> 00:57:25.840
Yeah, no, that's fair.
00:57:26.000 --> 00:57:32.239
Yeah, I think they were gonna like chop bits off him and all sorts, and he he died on his own way, saving the person.
00:57:32.719 --> 00:57:33.920
That found humanity again.
00:57:34.159 --> 00:57:40.880
So I've just turned the page at the last bit of I wrote, and the last thing I wrote was the voice is also dead from the AFI people.
00:57:41.119 --> 00:57:43.039
So did you like the film?
00:57:43.360 --> 00:57:43.679
Okay.
00:57:44.159 --> 00:57:53.280
I thought I thought this was a perfectly good Saturday night thriller when you're in the mood for something a bit edgy, a bit action-y, bit violent, if that's your bag.
00:57:53.440 --> 00:57:54.639
Yeah, perfectly good.
00:57:54.800 --> 00:57:56.880
Didn't hate it at all.
00:57:57.280 --> 00:58:01.280
I did find it too anxiety-making for a chunk of it.
00:58:01.440 --> 00:58:02.719
I don't I do have a problem.
00:58:02.800 --> 00:58:06.000
I always have a it's a personal thing rather than a problem, generally.
00:58:06.159 --> 00:58:08.880
I don't like films where kids are getting hurt, I just don't like it.
00:58:09.119 --> 00:58:13.519
You know, particularly when you see them, when you see them frightened.
00:58:13.599 --> 00:58:19.280
Now I thought Dakota Fanning's portrayal of Peter was brilliant because she never seemed frightened, she seemed very savvy.
00:58:19.440 --> 00:58:23.920
But ultimately, you know, when she you don't see anything, but you know that it's not gonna be fun for her.
00:58:24.079 --> 00:58:26.000
So I didn't, I just felt anxious.
00:58:26.239 --> 00:58:31.119
So once I'd Wikipedia's it and I could then relax, I did enjoy it.
00:58:31.199 --> 00:58:34.800
And I but I found it an interesting film, it sort of changes tone every so often.
00:58:35.039 --> 00:58:40.159
It feels like it's a buddy movie for a little bit, you know, swimming scenes.
00:58:40.880 --> 00:58:45.840
So, what I think it does, I think like it shows you what's gonna happen, right?
00:58:45.920 --> 00:58:53.199
For 15 minutes, then it goes into a bit of a buddy movie where it shows him starting to get humanized.
00:58:53.599 --> 00:58:55.039
Learning how to be again, yeah.
00:58:55.199 --> 00:59:09.360
Learning to be a person again and and appreciate things, but that's then to to ramp up why he gets so angry and why he does the things he does because she's found she's helped him find himself again.
00:59:09.760 --> 00:59:15.840
So he's had that taken away from so then he's so it's it's perfect, it's it's one of the few perfect movies.
00:59:15.920 --> 00:59:16.559
I think this.
00:59:16.800 --> 00:59:19.119
I thought they were interesting directoral choices.
00:59:19.199 --> 00:59:28.719
I like the way that the fast-paced flashes of memory or bad stuff, flashbacks, flashbacks, all that I thought was an interesting, engaging thing to do.
00:59:28.880 --> 00:59:31.199
I'd never have chosen it, I don't think.
00:59:31.519 --> 00:59:32.960
I know you'd never choose this movie.
00:59:33.199 --> 00:59:35.280
I think the 18 puts me off, and isn't that interesting?
00:59:35.360 --> 00:59:37.679
Because I it's not I like some 18s.
00:59:37.840 --> 00:59:39.679
You you always say I don't bring adult movies.
00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:41.280
This is your second adult film.
00:59:41.599 --> 00:59:43.039
You did Aliens and you've done this.
00:59:43.119 --> 00:59:45.280
It's an adult, it is an adult film, no doubt about it.
00:59:45.440 --> 00:59:47.280
The other thing, have you ever seen Leon?
00:59:47.440 --> 00:59:47.840
Yes.
00:59:48.079 --> 00:59:49.039
This is Leon.
00:59:49.280 --> 00:59:50.159
It's kind of Leon.
00:59:50.320 --> 00:59:51.360
It's exactly Leon.
00:59:51.599 --> 00:59:53.440
That's why I just had that in my head the whole time.
00:59:53.599 --> 00:59:57.199
I've only seen that once, and I enjoyed that at the time.
00:59:57.280 --> 01:00:00.000
It's my partner's favourite film ever, so that's why I watched it once.
01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:08.880
And it's good, but I felt like I wanted to re-watch that to see if how similar it was in reality because it felt like this was pure Leon to me.
01:00:09.599 --> 01:00:11.679
Leon is called the Professional in the US, by the way.
01:00:11.840 --> 01:00:12.800
Yeah, it's different.
01:00:12.880 --> 01:00:14.639
And are you quoting US stuff here?
01:00:14.960 --> 01:00:19.360
No, only because uh people might not know what Leon is, but it's the professional in there elsewhere.
01:00:19.599 --> 01:00:21.599
Uh it's different enough, you know.
01:00:21.760 --> 01:00:27.280
Obviously, Leon's she's seen stuff, corrupt cops, Gary Aldman.
01:00:27.519 --> 01:00:28.800
She's seen all her family murdered.
01:00:28.880 --> 01:00:28.960
Yeah.
01:00:29.199 --> 01:00:30.239
Lasley Portman has.
01:00:30.400 --> 01:00:32.800
Yeah, and it's corrupt cops, Gary Albman.
01:00:33.119 --> 01:00:35.679
And Leon is a bestie, but also Leon isn't.
01:00:35.840 --> 01:00:37.920
I think the difference is he's a bit dim.
01:00:38.559 --> 01:00:40.239
I think that's not a technical term.
01:00:40.559 --> 01:00:42.880
Yeah, I think he's sort of a socially awkward.
01:00:43.199 --> 01:00:43.840
Socially awkward.
01:00:43.920 --> 01:00:48.239
He's kind of more of a he's he's more of a similar age mentally to her.
01:00:48.320 --> 01:00:48.559
Yeah.
01:00:48.719 --> 01:00:50.480
Than Denzel is not to Lapita.
01:00:50.639 --> 01:00:50.719
Yeah.
01:00:51.039 --> 01:00:52.079
He's just a good killer.
01:00:52.159 --> 01:00:53.519
He is a grown-up, but he's just in a bad way.
01:00:53.679 --> 01:00:54.800
And he's just a good killer.
01:00:55.039 --> 01:00:56.400
And he's a very good assassin, then.
01:00:57.280 --> 01:00:58.880
But yeah, it made me think of that a lot.
01:00:59.119 --> 01:01:03.920
Right, so one of my question, so I don't know if you've answered it already, but I'll ask it properly.
01:01:04.159 --> 01:01:05.920
This I keep quoting this back to you.
01:01:06.239 --> 01:01:10.559
This podcast is about us talking about not just films we like.
01:01:10.719 --> 01:01:12.320
It's card, it's not that simple.
01:01:12.400 --> 01:01:19.760
It's films that we absolutely love that have poured into our bodies, filled our souls, and changed who we are.
01:01:19.840 --> 01:01:21.199
That's how I see it, right?
01:01:21.599 --> 01:01:27.039
So I'm watching this film thinking, okay, this is a good film, it's fine, it's enjoyable, it's scary, blah blah blah blah blah.
01:01:27.280 --> 01:01:30.239
How is this like how is this so important to you?
01:01:30.800 --> 01:01:35.920
This is the film where I was like, shit, I really like Denzel Washington as an actor.
01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:37.679
This is Is this your first Denzel?
01:01:38.000 --> 01:01:39.199
No, I'd seen him in other things.
01:01:39.280 --> 01:01:44.000
So I'd seen him in like he's in uh Humphrey, October.
01:01:44.400 --> 01:01:46.000
Is he in the Home Fred October?
01:01:46.239 --> 01:01:46.639
I don't know.
01:01:46.800 --> 01:01:48.960
No, Crimson Tides, Crimson Tide.
01:01:49.679 --> 01:01:56.480
I'd seen him in another couple of things, and then I was just like, hang on, this this guy is just unbelievable in everything.
01:01:56.559 --> 01:01:57.679
And this made it stand out.
01:01:57.760 --> 01:02:00.719
And I was like, I want to go back and watch a few more Denzel Washington films now.
01:02:00.800 --> 01:02:08.559
After this, I'd seen him in another collaboration, and after this, with Ridley Scott called Day not Ridley Scott, Tony Scott, the directory scott, yeah, Deja Vu.
01:02:08.719 --> 01:02:11.199
He's done The Equalizer, he's done much do about nothing.
01:02:11.440 --> 01:02:11.920
My favourite.
01:02:12.400 --> 01:02:14.800
You made me watch that once, and he's very good in that as well.
01:02:15.920 --> 01:02:18.239
And your favourite actor is and my favourite actor.
01:02:18.400 --> 01:02:20.559
Oh, is it so is Denzel your favourite actor?
01:02:20.639 --> 01:02:20.800
Yeah.
01:02:20.960 --> 01:02:21.199
Okay.
01:02:21.360 --> 01:02:22.559
Yeah, I've got it.
01:02:22.719 --> 01:02:25.199
I just don't think the guys made a movie I've disliked.
01:02:25.440 --> 01:02:26.320
That may well be true.
01:02:26.480 --> 01:02:31.039
I've probably not seen loads of his stuff because all the ones you just quoted, I've never, you know, not my thing.
01:02:31.199 --> 01:02:32.480
I have seen Crimson Tide.
01:02:32.719 --> 01:02:32.960
But yeah.
01:02:33.280 --> 01:02:35.679
Did we do Crimson Tide series one?
01:02:36.079 --> 01:02:39.039
We did it as a practice and then we never did we put it out too.
01:02:39.119 --> 01:02:39.840
We didn't put it out there.
01:02:39.920 --> 01:02:40.079
Right.
01:02:40.239 --> 01:02:41.760
Because we it was an early one where we were still getting.
01:02:43.119 --> 01:02:43.840
Finding our feet.
01:02:44.000 --> 01:02:44.159
Yeah.
01:02:44.320 --> 01:02:46.639
Um, yeah, no, I think he's he is a very, very good actor.
01:02:46.719 --> 01:02:48.079
I'd have no issue with him at all.
01:02:48.159 --> 01:02:50.000
He's very good in this, he's very good in all sorts.
01:02:50.079 --> 01:02:56.239
I just couldn't work out why this had become such a seminal film for you, as opposed to just a good film.
01:02:56.480 --> 01:02:59.119
Because it just made me go, this guy is awesome.
01:02:59.199 --> 01:03:02.639
I'd seen him interviewed on Graham Norton a few times.
01:03:02.880 --> 01:03:04.719
Um he just always comes across really.
01:03:05.199 --> 01:03:06.880
Yeah, he seems like a nice guy, doesn't he?
01:03:07.119 --> 01:03:11.039
He he is like a good guy, so okay.
01:03:11.280 --> 01:03:23.679
I we've said it, the relationship between Peter and Christie was beautiful and excellently done, perfectly acted, and it had to be because otherwise, without that softness, that tenderness, this film is guns and violence.
01:03:24.000 --> 01:03:31.119
And I did like that that gave it heart, and that gave it kind of the reason to bring in the guns and the violence, if you like.
01:03:31.199 --> 01:03:34.239
It gave it the the sort of reason for the rest of the film.
01:03:34.559 --> 01:03:37.199
Dakota fanning was exceptional, simple as that.
01:03:37.280 --> 01:03:39.760
I could watch her on screen all the time, and it's really interesting.
01:03:39.840 --> 01:03:45.519
I've never seen her do anything as a child before, I've only seen her be grown up Dakota Fanny, where I think she's also so good.
01:03:45.599 --> 01:03:46.960
I mean, I just think she's really good.
01:03:47.360 --> 01:03:48.320
Yeah, fascinating.
01:03:48.559 --> 01:03:53.360
But once she was out of the film, as in she was kidnapped, I wasn't as asked.
01:03:53.599 --> 01:03:55.039
I did read that, you know.
01:03:55.119 --> 01:04:01.440
I was saying before about I really wanted to know the background of how Paul and Chrissy got together or had their past.
01:04:01.840 --> 01:04:07.519
I did read that there was a scene that was deleted, and Tony Scott deleted it, explaining stuff from the past.
01:04:07.599 --> 01:04:07.679
Right.
01:04:07.920 --> 01:04:10.480
But he just said, better not knowing, you don't need to know.
01:04:12.559 --> 01:04:13.679
I agreed with that, yeah, yeah.
01:04:13.920 --> 01:04:18.320
In terms of Denzel's roles in gritty, violent things.
01:04:18.559 --> 01:04:22.320
Yeah, I prefer it's no slight on this film because this is perfectly fine.
01:04:22.400 --> 01:04:23.840
I prefer the inside man.
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Have you seen that?
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I don't think I have it's like a prison breaking heist thing.
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Yeah, but he's just good in everything.
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No, yeah, he is.
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I just really like him in that.
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And that's the inside man is a film that I think you'd really like it actually.
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It's sort of um, it's he's a cop, he's the cop, and there's a bank raid, bank hold-up, bank heist, and he's having to negotiate and deal with him, but it's bigger than just the bank being robbed, it's a whole Christopher Plummer's in it.
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Yeah, my fave.
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Anyway, I think I really like that.
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And this sort of reminded me if I'm gonna watch a gritty Denzel Washington film, I'll probably watch that.
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Yeah, but this was fine.
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I just felt so anxious with the kid.
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Do you need to sort that out?
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No.
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Okay.
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Do you want other people's thoughts?
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I was doing these.
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Okay, I did read a few things.
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So Ian Freer on Empire online, it's a really positive review.
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The links will be in the show notes at the end, and he talks about the unusual visual style of the film.
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So he says, probably So he says, probably setting a new world record for the number of different film stocks in one movie.
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Scott and hot to trot cinematographer Paul Cameron, whip pan and crush zoom.
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I love that phrase, whip pan and crush zoom to new levels of excess, heightening both the teeming life of Mexico City and the anxiety around Peter's kidnapping.
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Best of all of the subtitles.
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Rather than simply translating dialogue, the assault the viewer, conveying drama and emotion through aggressive graphic design.
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You've never seen any done like this before.
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And that was true.
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It really was those kind of the kind of bold, fonted, in your face, and they are subtitles to tell you what's people whether people are speaking Spanish.
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But the whole thing was like an assault on your senses, and that the the what did they say?
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The whip ham crash.
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Zoom of the the film in those sort of scenes where it's all kind of frenzied.
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That adds so much to the tension, the anxiety.
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As I said, so anxious I couldn't even bear it.
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It just it was all the way of the film.
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This this kind of visual style follows across into another Tony Scott Denzel Washington film, Deja Vu, and it's a very similar film, quick flashes and stuff.
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Okay.
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So they got that it worked and they've used it again, yeah.
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Spectrumculture.com.
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I think this is from 2012, and they write about films that they think haven't received their due.
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So films they think went under the radar.
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And they talk about the class division in Tony Scott's work, right?
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So and it when I read this, I was like, oh yeah, that's true.
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They say they're talking about the family, Lisa and Ramos.
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The couple lives in a decadent home adorned with ancient art and architecture, the upkeep of which is left to the lower class citizens of Mexico.
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Scott consciously focuses on labourers throughout the first 60 minutes of the film, including shots of landscapers, street performers, housekeepers, and construction workers.
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Occasionally these shots are isolated, but more often than not, sorry, more often than not, the workers are part of the background.
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Scott recognises that these unnoticed workers are integral to Mexico City and communities in general.
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And what I liked about that was you do have the fancy posh houses and the mega rich people who are worried about their kids, and then you do have all of the people who are working, hustling, making a living, and then you have almost a bubble of Chrissy and Peter.
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And they're not really they're in they're involved, they're in the world and they're moving between these people, but they're not they're just open to everybody.
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Peter, like you said, walks through that garden when she's introducing Chrissy to everyone, then that's Marie, and that's it.
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And so you know, she knows everybody, but she's also comfortable chatting with her parents, and it's just like the innocence of a child, and then also Chrissy's not innocent, but he's got that, he's so not in his world, so he's just open to everything as well.
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It's just it's just something's going on.
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You can see you can just see that there's got to be a click between them.
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Yeah, she's friendly with everybody.
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She is the way it is.
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Because she's a child break down the walls of all these people.
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Yeah, and I just thought it was an interesting note that that was a conscious thing.
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Roger Ebert.
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Our old friends.
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Our ending with Roger Ebert.
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So he gave this two and a half out of four.
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Wow.
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I mean it's not.
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Not bad, but not good.
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He says Man on Fire has a production too ambitious for the foundation supplied by the screenplay.
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It plays as if Scott knows the plot is threadbare and wants to patch it with an excess of style.
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He might have gotten away with that in a movie of more modest length, but Man on Fire clocks in at close to two and a half hours and needs more depth to justify the length.
01:08:44.479 --> 01:08:46.479
Now I would agree that it was too long.
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I don't.
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I think we've got this was 2004, right?
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And now it feels like every film is over two hours.
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And I think that's because well, I presume it's about making money.
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But for me, a story can be told, and most stories should be told in less than two hours.
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Yeah.
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Unless it's some grand epic.
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If it's like a huge, massive thing, like they're doing Ben Hear, Gandhi, you know, The Godfather, I give I'd give that.
01:09:13.279 --> 01:09:14.960
I don't mind that being over two hours.
01:09:15.199 --> 01:09:17.840
But this is just a lovely Saturday, lovely is the wrong word.
01:09:17.920 --> 01:09:19.680
It's just an engaging Saturday night thriller.
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We don't need two and a half hours.
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But with this, you get the build-up of and plot about Chrissy and his dodgy past and his drinking.
01:09:28.960 --> 01:09:29.199
Yeah.
01:09:29.359 --> 01:09:31.439
Yeah, so you've got to have a little bit of time told on that.
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No, but bear me, bear with me.
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Then you've got to have the build-up of the relationship of him and Peter.
01:09:37.520 --> 01:09:38.159
Yeah.
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And then you've got to have the story of her kidnapping and then how he gets revenge.
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All that could be done quicker.
01:09:44.479 --> 01:09:47.520
I agree, you have to give time to those things, but you don't need to give as much time.
01:09:47.680 --> 01:09:50.079
I just think I enjoyed it for giving it the time.
01:09:50.479 --> 01:10:04.640
You see, I think there's very few films that deserve to be over two hours, and when they are, they need to be like it's not just exceptional, as in I enjoy them, but like they have to be telling some grand, huge, epic scale story.
01:10:04.720 --> 01:10:05.439
And this wasn't.
01:10:05.520 --> 01:10:17.359
This was just the descent of one guy, and and his final days, weeks me, you know, and the interactions he had in the I don't know, I just didn't just I didn't I agreed with Roger with that.
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However, this is what he said about the ending, and I agreed with this when I what read it, but also now I just don't know about the ending anymore because I don't know what I was looking at.
01:10:27.279 --> 01:10:32.800
So he said, even the last scene involving his character, Creasy's, is a disappointment.
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There's a moment when one thing and one thing only should happen to him, and it doesn't.
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And the movie lets him and us down gently.
01:10:40.000 --> 01:10:42.079
And I think I well, I was in full agreement with that.
01:10:42.159 --> 01:10:53.600
I think he needed to go out in a blaze of glory with all like a whole bunch of gun fire at him and him being like, you know, it feels like it fits the vibe of the film where he just kind of is a hail of bullets at the hero, giving his life for the Peter.
01:10:53.840 --> 01:10:57.680
And as it is, he just like I can't I'll say it again, peters away.
01:10:57.760 --> 01:11:01.920
Like, so where I would disagree with that, Peter is on the other side of the bridge.
01:11:02.000 --> 01:11:06.319
Yeah, she doesn't want to hear him get shot and killed in a rain of bullets.
01:11:06.479 --> 01:11:06.800
Yeah.
01:11:07.039 --> 01:11:08.800
Where he goes off and they go off.
01:11:09.359 --> 01:11:10.479
To me, it's just fitting.
01:11:10.560 --> 01:11:12.960
I I think everybody's wrong who disagrees with that end.
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And I think he's died on his own terms.
01:11:16.000 --> 01:11:18.960
Well, he hasn't because Well, he hasn't been tortured.
01:11:19.199 --> 01:11:20.960
No, I agree, but I didn't even think about that.
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That's that wasn't in my head.
01:11:22.159 --> 01:11:24.399
See, that's why you haven't watched as many action films as me.
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I know what's going down.
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No, I just felt they were just gonna shoot him.
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To me, they've said it the business people, the professionals, that they do things for money.
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There's no money in keeping him or doing anything to him.
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There's no money.
01:11:35.359 --> 01:11:37.840
So they are just gonna shoot him dead and get rid of and throw his body away.
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They're not gonna do, they're not gonna waste their time.
01:11:40.239 --> 01:11:41.119
They're about money.
01:11:41.279 --> 01:11:44.720
The pe they kidnap Peter because she's worth a lot of money to wasting time.
01:11:44.880 --> 01:11:50.399
So, what it will do, if they torture him and it gets around, nobody will mess with them.
01:11:50.560 --> 01:11:55.039
They can't just kill him because that's the easy way out for them is just to shoot them and kill them.
01:11:55.600 --> 01:12:02.000
Torturing them will lay down a marker to go, anybody tries this against us, this is what will happen.
01:12:02.239 --> 01:12:02.880
Maybe I don't know.
01:12:03.119 --> 01:12:04.159
Maybe I'm more sadistic than you.
01:12:04.479 --> 01:12:09.520
I found it just a little bit like and then I didn't read the voice thing, so again, that's why the ending felt a bit rough.
01:12:11.760 --> 01:12:14.000
And then like missed the most important part.
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Didn't pay attention.
01:12:15.199 --> 01:12:16.720
Hey-ho, a lesson learnt.
01:12:17.119 --> 01:12:18.720
But yeah, all good.
01:12:18.960 --> 01:12:21.920
So next week, it's your turn to choose a film.
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I'm so excited.
01:12:24.880 --> 01:12:27.680
Okay, I've already re watched this a couple of days ago.
01:12:27.760 --> 01:12:29.840
I made my notes, and I'm excited about doing it.
01:12:29.920 --> 01:12:32.159
And you're gonna hate it, and I don't give a shit.
01:12:32.479 --> 01:12:33.680
How does she know I'm gonna do that?
01:12:33.760 --> 01:12:37.039
You're gonna be under you're you're not gonna feel as ecstatic as I am about this.
01:12:38.800 --> 01:12:39.279
Zero.
01:12:39.439 --> 01:12:41.119
Oh Christ, do I have to watch it?
01:12:41.279 --> 01:12:41.840
Yes.
01:12:42.640 --> 01:12:50.079
It's basically my comfort watch, and I go to it regularly, but I go to it regularly at this time of year.
01:12:50.319 --> 01:12:50.560
Right.
01:12:50.720 --> 01:12:55.520
It is a cosy autumnal watch, but it only I'm going I was gonna go into it.
01:12:55.600 --> 01:12:57.039
I'm not gonna go into it, I'm just gonna tell you.
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Baby boom!
01:12:58.239 --> 01:12:58.880
Right, okay.
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Have you seen it?
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It's Diane Keaton.
01:13:01.039 --> 01:13:02.479
I don't think I have Diane Keaton.
01:13:02.560 --> 01:13:02.880
Come on.
01:13:03.199 --> 01:13:03.760
Welcome.
01:13:04.880 --> 01:13:07.359
Your mispronunciations are out of control.
01:13:07.840 --> 01:13:13.119
It's Diane Keaton, who obviously we lost a few months ago, a year ago, less than a year ago.
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She is one of my stewards, because all-time favourite actresses, and she does amazing films, and I love her, and I love her stuff.
01:13:22.079 --> 01:13:24.079
This is my favourite film of hers, but she's done a million.
01:13:24.159 --> 01:13:24.880
I could bring them all.
01:13:24.960 --> 01:13:25.760
I'm gonna do this one.
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She and Father the Bride.
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Absolutely.
01:13:27.920 --> 01:13:28.720
Love Father the Bride.
01:13:29.039 --> 01:13:30.479
Watched that so many times at university.
01:13:30.560 --> 01:13:31.840
That was my comfort watch at university.
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Mr.
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Bonks.
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I've pronounced it right.
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You are frunk in this podcast.
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Right.
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And if you want more, where can he find you?
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I am at NikkiBon.com and you can search for the Lisa McCauliff stories online, and I urge you to do so.
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And I can be found on Toffee's O's on YouTube or Phil Time and on TikTok.
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Thanks for listening, and until the next time, bye bye.
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Thanks.
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See you later.